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Offline salt27

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Re: New Guy. Lots of Motorcycle Related Questions.
« Reply #15 on: August 29, 2020, 08:56:41 PM »
That seat should be fine for "M" class.
Just make sure that it is not over 36" high and doesn't extend rearward past the tire.

Here is the current holder of the record you are running on.

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« Reply #16 on: August 30, 2020, 10:39:49 AM »
In open bikes streamlining is anything in front of the rider that appears to direct or divert air.

Seat and tail follow partial streamlining rules.

I would not use the wrap around rear fender.... it will grab air and slow you down.... and if I remember the tail and rear fender rule say it can't extend past the back tire.
Use bars that force your elbows in to help the rider maintain a tight tuck.  Smallest rider you have.... be sure your rider and owner is a BNI member and must have a motorcycle drivers license.
Good luck with your project... Become one with the motorcycle  :cheers:

edit... Take a good look at the picture of the current record holder.... read the rules 50 times.... don't add anything to the rules... nothing is implied, they are what is written in the book.
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Re: New Guy. Lots of Motorcycle Related Questions.
« Reply #17 on: August 30, 2020, 02:01:48 PM »
Seat and tail follow partial streamlining rules.

Are you saying that the blue seat in my previous post would fall under partial streamlining?

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« Reply #18 on: August 30, 2020, 02:09:22 PM »
Take a look at 7.F.12   Look at a few paragraphs into this section.  It states that if a streamlined seat, tail section or fender is used, it can not extend further to the rear than a vertical line drawn at the rear edge of the tire (This is for non OEM components)...meaning that seat cannot extend beyond rear edge or tire.  I used a level and stood it vertically against the rear tire and made sure my aftermarket rear fairing didnt extend past the rear tire.  I had to fab up some mounts to move the rear fairing forward about 1.5 inches.  Another option is to extend swing arm slightly to get rear tire further back.  Rules state you are allowed to extend wheel base 10%.  Good luck with your project! 

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Re: New Guy. Lots of Motorcycle Related Questions.
« Reply #19 on: August 30, 2020, 02:28:23 PM »
Seat and tail follow partial streamlining rules.

Are you saying that the blue seat in my previous post would fall under partial streamlining?


In a nutshell Stainless is saying the blue seat is ok to use in "M" class.

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« Reply #20 on: September 21, 2020, 09:33:44 PM »
Ok. New question. This has to do with frame modifications.

7.F states:
"Perimeter-type frame engine cradle tubes must remain unmodified. Spar-style main frame spars must remain unmodified. "Main frame spars" are defined as the large formed tubes which connect the steering neck to the engine mounts and swing arm pivot."

My question basically is, can we remove/modify/relocate the circled section of our frame and still be within the rules?




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Re: New Guy. Lots of Motorcycle Related Questions.
« Reply #21 on: September 21, 2020, 10:44:18 PM »
That looks a lot like "large formed tubes which connect the steering neck to the engine mounts and swing arm pivot." to me... but luckily my opinion is just that... if you are planning something there... draw it up and submit it for a ruling... earlier the better...
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Re: New Guy. Lots of Motorcycle Related Questions.
« Reply #22 on: September 21, 2020, 11:32:35 PM »
If my understanding of the rule is correct, that will land you in "A" class.

As Stainless said, ask for clarification and then let us know.

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« Reply #23 on: September 22, 2020, 12:43:34 AM »
Are you wanting to get rid of that center tube to make room for a blower?

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« Reply #24 on: September 22, 2020, 09:39:43 AM »
Are you wanting to get rid of that center tube to make room for a blower?

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« Reply #25 on: September 22, 2020, 10:35:35 AM »
This is something a welder did for me decades ago.  He tacked the new tubes onto the frame before he cut out the middle member.  Otherwise, it is easy to get warpage in the frame when doing this job.

Be careful with some Honda frames like the SL350K2 and their dirt bikes.  They are made from chrome-moly steel and are very hard to weld.  Cracks form near the weld and the tube breaks after use.  Special welding methods are needed to prevent this.  Not all old Honda frames are mild steel.