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Offline RacerX

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Engine block question?
« Reply #15 on: November 25, 2006, 12:09:31 PM »
Oh sorry guys.    The car is 2000 Mustang with a 4.6  V-8.   The tall deck block allows more displacement of course (5.4) BUT will not allow me to run the intake I want without small adapters plates.  This is same basic engine with most parts interchangeable however the intake won't quite bolt on?   Thanks again!  Jim
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« Reply #16 on: November 25, 2006, 01:11:33 PM »
I presume the Merc ran the same motor.
Was the tall block only offered in the trucks ?
Was there an export version under another name that didn't offer the base block ?
You might make it one of those.
The truck deal might be your path since perhaps it was never offered in the car.
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« Reply #17 on: November 25, 2006, 01:33:07 PM »
Hi Jack,  The 5.4 was a truck block.  I think it was clearly of the same engine family.   Legal for Production?   Jim
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« Reply #18 on: November 25, 2006, 01:57:44 PM »
It would seem there are some wrinkles in the rules.
1. Does unapproved gas in a production car make it a fuel coupe ?
2. Do headlight covers on a production car make it an altered, add
    unapproved gas, is it a fuel altered ?
3. Does a quick change in a production car make it a gas coupe ?

 I wonder sometimes. :wink:
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« Reply #19 on: November 25, 2006, 02:53:47 PM »
I was told that a Packard engine in a '52 Studebaker truck would be legal for Production/Pickup as '56 Stude Golden Hawks came with Packard engines. Of course that's hearsay and may not hold up, should the need ever arise. But if the truck motor has the same bell housing bolt pattern, same head bolt pattern and same manifold bolt pattern, it seems like it should be legal for pro.

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« Reply #20 on: November 25, 2006, 03:14:50 PM »
I have two 51 Stud PUs and one 52.
I would suggest that a Packard V-8 would not be production.
I am making the 52 into a 4dr Woody SW on my own production line.
Ya woulda thought it was perfected by now.
Maybe after the High Boy question is settled. :wink:
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« Reply #21 on: November 25, 2006, 03:30:39 PM »
I not sure I understand the ruling structure?  Who should I contact for a fursure answer?     Thanks!  Jim  #-o    :)
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« Reply #22 on: November 25, 2006, 05:44:00 PM »
...As you know, I ran in these classes for a number of years and set numerious records..

I think that with the so called "new generation" of block combinations and such in the GM and Ford production models, there needs to be an addition  or change / up date to the rules to controll this.

no one cared before 10 or so years ago if you ran a aluminum block in a production car ( chevy 350)...

but today, a "current" chevy 350 block is totally different...


it all boils down to this...

either more classes,......we all-lllready have "classic"....

or more rules to controll the engine configuration.heads / blocks/ etc....




this may get to be as GOOFY like the BIKE ENGINE RULES ARE....????or !!!!

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« Reply #23 on: November 25, 2006, 05:51:38 PM »
JACK knows all about this...

......and so do I...


a BUICK V-6 came with a production block....some referred to it as a "stage I block / heads "...

but most ALL records were set with a STAGE II block that actually had additional head bolt bosses / threads / holes etc....


the records are in the book.


same with the Ford...

winsor 351 block and the cleveland block...

or regular 2 bolt main 302 / 289 block and the BOSS 302 trans am block...


the records are in the book.


these statements have NO sour grapes in them...
I lived in it..
I may have caused some of it...

Offline RichFox

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« Reply #24 on: November 25, 2006, 05:57:17 PM »
Jack; The production rules for pickups and sports cars are different than coups and sedans. I forgot that part. Reading the rules is fun.

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« Reply #25 on: November 27, 2006, 01:55:19 PM »
Rich --

I believe engine swaps are allowed in Street Roadster (or else most would be running Flathead Fours and V-8's).

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« Reply #26 on: November 27, 2006, 02:50:09 PM »
Stan; Since there is no "Production Street Roadster" class, I am sure engine swaps are allowed. Same thing with AA/BFS