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Offline QikNip

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Simpson Arm restaint ... Does it meet the new rule?
« on: February 07, 2018, 03:05:53 PM »
After reading the 2018 arm restraint rule I concluded my Simpson restraints are not compliant. I called Simpson and they were unaware of the new rule, but after I explained it they suggested their part number #AR.AUD. This unit uses a slide bar, so would assume it will suffice, but since they didn't know of the SCTA rule, it's a risk. Regrettably I can't attach a photo since Photobucket went skizo on their pricing. I can however email one to anyone who might like to offer an opinion.
Rick
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Re: Simpson Arm restaint ... Does it meet the new rule?
« Reply #1 on: February 07, 2018, 11:31:16 PM »
After reading the 2018 arm restraint rule I concluded my Simpson restraints are not compliant. I called Simpson and they were unaware of the new rule, but after I explained it they suggested their part number #AR.AUD. This unit uses a slide bar, so would assume it will suffice, but since they didn't know of the SCTA rule, it's a risk. Regrettably I can't attach a photo since Photobucket went skizo on their pricing. I can however email one to anyone who might like to offer an opinion.
Rick

You DO NOT need PhotoBucket to post photos! The main problem is that the LandRacing code is so old the it can't deal directly with https://  URLs.

Here's a photos from Simpson's site https://simpsonraceproducts.com/harnesses/arm-restraints/#gallery Copy this URL into your browser, then click. You will then see the photo. If you can find the #AR.AUD. photo on Simpson's site you can than post the https:// URL here so that we can see the photo.

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Re: Simpson Arm restaint ... Does it meet the new rule?
« Reply #2 on: February 08, 2018, 07:51:52 AM »
I keep reading the rule and they dont want the d rings but they want the bar type adjusters like the seat belts would have??  So those restraints in those pics would be no good?  I have sown in restraints on my jacket that have the d rings so im guessing mine are no good too?? Very confusing!
Ive been looking all morning and cant seem to find any that dont have d rings
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Re: Simpson Arm restaint ... Does it meet the new rule?
« Reply #3 on: February 08, 2018, 08:54:42 AM »
I feel we need pics of what is legal and what is not legal please......
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Re: Simpson Arm restaint ... Does it meet the new rule?
« Reply #4 on: February 08, 2018, 10:32:06 AM »
Seems like they changed a rule and the parts to fix it dont exist :?
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Re: Simpson Arm restaint ... Does it meet the new rule?
« Reply #5 on: February 08, 2018, 10:44:43 AM »
The SCTA is looking for a 3 bar adjuster as shown here.
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Re: Simpson Arm restaint ... Does it meet the new rule?
« Reply #6 on: February 09, 2018, 10:05:16 AM »
The SCTA is looking for a 3 bar adjuster as shown here.

Thanks for posting the pictures! Any idea what the Deist part number is? In looking on line, I'm not having any luck finding that picture anywhere.
Rick
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Re: Simpson Arm restaint ... Does it meet the new rule?
« Reply #7 on: February 09, 2018, 12:55:30 PM »
Big Ben at DJ knows what we need
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Re: Simpson Arm restaint ... Does it meet the new rule?
« Reply #8 on: February 09, 2018, 01:24:40 PM »
Big Ben at DJ knows what we need

At the risk of exposing my ignorance, who it Big Ben and who is DJ?  :?
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Re: Simpson Arm restaint ... Does it meet the new rule?
« Reply #9 on: February 09, 2018, 01:40:00 PM »
DJ Safety and DEIST are the same company now http://djsafety.com/
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Re: Simpson Arm restaint ... Does it meet the new rule?
« Reply #10 on: February 09, 2018, 10:59:24 PM »
Yes, my new Deist 7point harness looks like some white guy made it. Jim would roll over in his grave if he saw it.
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Re: Simpson Arm restaint ... Does it meet the new rule?
« Reply #11 on: February 11, 2018, 12:52:15 AM »
Interesting. I was with Simpson today. Their ‘D’ rings are one piece and can cert that. Trouble is they cannot make my new fire suit until the rule is clarified.

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Re: Simpson Arm restaint ... Does it meet the new rule?
« Reply #12 on: February 11, 2018, 10:04:06 AM »
Interesting. I was with Simpson today. Their ‘D’ rings are one piece and can cert that. Trouble is they cannot make my new fire suit until the rule is clarified.

In case you don't have it handy, here's the rule revision:

4.   Section 3.D.3 Arm/Leg Restraints: Page: 42
Add what is in bold after the first sentence in the first paragraph; SFI specification 3.3 arm restrains with a manufacture date of 2006 or later are required in all vehicles. IN ADDITION:
ALL ARM RESTRAINT HARWARE MUST BE OF A SINGLE PIECE MANUFACTURE. I.E. NO TWO PIECE OR WELDED “D” RING STYLE ADJUSTERS. ADJUSTABLE TETHERS SHOULD USE A 3-BAR SYSTEM SIMILAR TO THAT USED IN LAP BELT ADJUSTERS. NON-SOWN IN RESTRAINTS SHALL HAVE A TIGHT FIT AROUND THE NARROWEST PART OF THE ARM. ALL ARM RESTRAINTS MUST BE DEMONSTRATED TO BE EFFECTIVE.
 
Based on my read, unless a D ring is stamped, or cut from a solid piece of metal, it doesn't meet the rule. Is that what Simpson will certify?
I'd love it if that's the case ... and that the SCTA will accept that assertion. :cheers:
Rick


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Re: Simpson Arm restaint ... Does it meet the new rule?
« Reply #13 on: February 11, 2018, 10:56:20 AM »
MUST BE OF A SINGLE PIECE MANUFACTURE. I.E. NO TWO PIECE OR WELDED “D” RING STYLE ADJUSTERS

Read this again.... no 2 piece adjusters..... don't read anything into it... it will require single piece adjusters.... the adjusters are the length from lap belt connection adjusters
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Re: Simpson Arm restaint ... Does it meet the new rule?
« Reply #14 on: February 11, 2018, 11:00:21 AM »
I think all "D" ring adjusters are two pieces- like a helmet strap-. Doesn't matter if the "D" ring is stamped or welded ring, there are still two of them to make it work. The adjuster needs to be one piece of metal, as shown above by Dynoroom.
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