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Offline Happy Pappy

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Arm Restraints
« on: December 16, 2017, 05:47:37 PM »
Hi All,
A short time ago I heard some talk about making the sewn-in arm restraints illegal. Does anyone know different?  Something about the need for the restraint being placed at the small part of the wrist, I took that as to mean just above the hand. As you know sewn-in restraints are a bit closer to the elbow. Anyhow I am ordering a new fire suit and prefer the sewn-in style but...
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Chris
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Re: Arm Restraints
« Reply #1 on: December 16, 2017, 10:13:21 PM »
Order what you want.... don't worry about the future possible rules... worst case, you have to cut your sewn off and go to standalone sometime...
The arm restraint is there to keep your arms attached to you in a crash.... don't want them outside the protected area.  If you can do that at the upper forearm or the wrist does no matter.... it is about keeping them inside.
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Re: Arm Restraints
« Reply #2 on: December 17, 2017, 01:12:10 AM »
The 2018 SCTA Rule book WILL have a revision on the rule regarding arm restraints. Mainly regarding the "D" rings used on many types of restraints. The D rings have been shown to fail so they will no longer be allowed.
Regarding sewed in type restraints use common sense, if the restraint is near the elbow & your arm can exit the plane of the roll cage you will not be allowed to run.
The "slip" type adjuster used by some competitors will also no longer be allowed. If you don't know what the slip type of restraint is you don't need to worry about it. 
What the SCTA is looking for is a "three bar" adjuster similar to whats used on your seat belts
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Re: Arm Restraints
« Reply #3 on: December 17, 2017, 09:29:58 AM »
Thanks guys,
Yeah I get the arms confined to the cockpit & SFI 3.3, didn't know about the "D Rings". I was looking up the slip type and wasn't sure how they work? No matter I won't be using.

Again and as always Thank you all,
Chris
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Re: Arm Restraints
« Reply #4 on: December 17, 2017, 09:56:15 AM »
we use both arm and wrist restraints at the same time.
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Re: Arm Restraints
« Reply #5 on: December 17, 2017, 12:41:42 PM »
Maybe a picture of what is allowed will eliminate all the others !!

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Re: Arm Restraints
« Reply #6 on: December 18, 2017, 03:55:40 PM »
Maybe a picture of what is allowed will eliminate all the others !!

     +1  Another inquiring mind would like to know in order to prepare for next season more effectively.

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Re: Arm Restraints
« Reply #7 on: December 18, 2017, 04:19:28 PM »
Page 55 rule 4-U, that's the rule, no more no less. The pages in the 17 rule book aren't in numerical order so it'll be after page 71-ish. :roll:
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Re: Arm Restraints
« Reply #8 on: December 18, 2017, 06:10:47 PM »
. . . but I was notified today that the Rule Book will be updated because of late safety and procedural concerns.  Perhaps it's best to wait and see if this is covered.

It probably won't require any fabrication, welding or painting, so let's all just give it a little time.
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Re: Arm Restraints
« Reply #9 on: December 18, 2017, 09:39:41 PM »
I'd say keep you eyes on DJ and Stroud's websites.... I heard the SCTA was working with them on restraints due to recent failures.
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Re: Arm Restraints
« Reply #10 on: December 18, 2017, 09:53:20 PM »
Hope So... That's were my new fire suit is coming from. I copied and sent the message from Dynoroom to Vincent. I am confident he will get it right :-)

Thanks, and Merry Christmas to ya all,
Chris
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Re: Arm Restraints
« Reply #11 on: January 14, 2018, 09:03:24 PM »
Some more information,  this was in the minutes from yesterdays HDR Meeting...

“D” ring attachment is no longer acceptable, “3 bar system” is the only acceptable attachment. No exceptions! Today Dietz Arm Restraints are the only restraints that will be accepted racing this year. Watch the SCTA Web for updates.

Anyway, I am not sure what a "3 bar system" is?

Chris
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Re: Arm Restraints
« Reply #12 on: January 16, 2018, 08:58:07 PM »
Interesting, everyone's helmet is held down with D rings, perhaps the loading is different.
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Re: Arm Restraints
« Reply #13 on: January 16, 2018, 09:04:38 PM »
Dietz Arm Restraints are the only restraints that will be accepted racing this year

Dietz?
Unless it's crazy, ambitious and delusional, it's not worth our time!

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Re: Arm Restraints
« Reply #14 on: January 17, 2018, 07:10:34 AM »
http://www.deist.com/pub/DeistSafety_Catalog.pdf

Page 14

Not a lot of detail but can just make out the strap adjuster-3 bar?
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