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Author Topic: El Mirage – To Be or Not To Be  (Read 31774 times)

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Offline Frankie7799

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Re: El Mirage – To Be or Not To Be
« Reply #150 on: December 14, 2017, 03:06:43 PM »
I'm not buying it either,   everyone knows b'ville is so ruff
 you gotta tuck your hemi's back after each run

You know they have surgery to fix that Subaru   ;-)
« Last Edit: December 15, 2017, 12:18:50 AM by SPARKY »

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Re: El Mirage – To Be or Not To Be
« Reply #151 on: December 14, 2017, 11:24:30 PM »
FYI . . .
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Re: El Mirage – To Be or Not To Be
« Reply #152 on: December 15, 2017, 12:18:14 AM »
7799---spot on :cheers:
Miss LIBERTY,  changing TKI  to noise, dust and RUST!!!

The # 1 issue is: TO KEEP THE REPUBLIC      
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Re: El Mirage – To Be or Not To Be
« Reply #153 on: December 15, 2017, 07:24:21 AM »

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Re: El Mirage – To Be or Not To Be
« Reply #154 on: December 15, 2017, 03:32:52 PM »
FYI . . .

   Read Stan Back's bottom link.

  The Gear Grinders Racing Event??

  What happened to SCTA Event'

  What's going on?

                            JL222
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Re: El Mirage – To Be or Not To Be
« Reply #155 on: December 15, 2017, 04:09:39 PM »
FYI . . .

   Read Stan Back's bottom link.

  The Gear Grinders Racing Event??

  What happened to SCTA Event'

  What's going on?

                            JL222

John, does your club supply you with any information? It has been a requirement of the BLM that a club host each meet for over 4 years now....
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Re: El Mirage – To Be or Not To Be
« Reply #156 on: December 15, 2017, 04:23:15 PM »
FYI . . .

   Read Stan Back's bottom link.

  The Gear Grinders Racing Event??

  What happened to SCTA Event'

  What's going on?

                            JL222

John, does your club supply you with any information? It has been a requirement of the BLM that a club host each meet for over 4 years now....

  No...Sidewinders.

  Why that requirement, what about insurance?

  Did the SCTA get a letter of non compliance?

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Re: El Mirage – To Be or Not To Be
« Reply #157 on: December 15, 2017, 05:07:39 PM »
FYI . . .

   Read Stan Back's bottom link.

  The Gear Grinders Racing Event??

  What happened to SCTA Event'

  What's going on?

                            JL222

John, does your club supply you with any information? It has been a requirement of the BLM that a club host each meet for over 4 years now....

  No...Sidewinders.

  Why that requirement, what about insurance?

  Did the SCTA get a letter of non compliance?

                            JL222

Call your president Ron and have him fill you in.
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Racing is just a series of "Problem Solving" events that allow you to spend money & make noise...

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Re: El Mirage – To Be or Not To Be
« Reply #158 on: December 15, 2017, 11:15:02 PM »
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Re: El Mirage – To Be or Not To Be
« Reply #159 on: December 16, 2017, 08:58:04 AM »
" BLM Probationary Status Letter.pdf "

That's a very serious warning. Paragraphs 8 & 9 say it all. Sounds like "one more time and you're outta here".

This is a dire situation and not the time to worry whether a participant "likes it" or gets his feelings hurt.

I suggest;

1. A request should be made for another 1/2 mile of runoff space.

2. Bigger, brighter light bars at finish line.

3. At registration, racers must sign a statement that clearly states the rules for shutdown. This should be boldly printed on a separate page.  If it were me running the show, I'd make everyone read it out loud before signing.

4.The starter should hold a similar, easy to read sign directly in front of every driver/ rider and they must acknowledge with a clear nod of the head or thumbs-up before being given the course.
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Re: El Mirage – To Be or Not To Be
« Reply #160 on: December 16, 2017, 09:42:47 AM »
Francis suggested yesterday that maybe inflatable checkered flag, cone shaped pylons,  like at the air races for turns--much smaller --maybe 10'-12' on each side of the finish line. They would need to be that high so they could seen from the start line.
Miss LIBERTY,  changing TKI  to noise, dust and RUST!!!

The # 1 issue is: TO KEEP THE REPUBLIC      
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Re: El Mirage – To Be or Not To Be
« Reply #161 on: December 16, 2017, 12:12:16 PM »
All the markings in the world will do NOTHING for equipment failures, Non-English speakers not understanding anything, and completely selfish Jerks doing what they want.....

I have a multi-level system in mind that will work:

1-Well marked finish line is a given as is better Rookie training
2- Distance count-down signs that begin just after the finish line 5-4-3-2-1-0
3- At the "Zero" marker,,, orange plastic soft netting across the course to entangle the vehicle
4- At "Zero" plus 1 (distance to be determined) Real Barrier Netting with parachutes that deploy as per Bonneville
5- At "Zero" plus 2 and just inside the out of bounds line,,, a Tractor-Trailer Lowboy rig with a Bulldozer sitting on it. It would be quite the motivator for perfectly functional
     braking systems that have redundancy built in....

We might have to reduce our current course length to One Mile, and used the .3 mile for additional stopping distance....

We get serious or we get gone,,,, It is up to us in the SCTA to make it work.....

Thoughts ?

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Re: El Mirage – To Be or Not To Be
« Reply #162 on: December 16, 2017, 05:47:45 PM »
With the severity of the situation, maybe turning the track around isnt such a bad idea. Better than not running.

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Re: El Mirage – To Be or Not To Be
« Reply #163 on: December 16, 2017, 06:11:38 PM »
All the markings in the world will do NOTHING for equipment failures, Non-English speakers not understanding anything, and completely selfish Jerks doing what they want.....

I have a multi-level system in mind that will work:

1-Well marked finish line is a given as is better Rookie training
2- Distance count-down signs that begin just after the finish line 5-4-3-2-1-0
3- At the "Zero" marker,,, orange plastic soft netting across the course to entangle the vehicle
4- At "Zero" plus 1 (distance to be determined) Real Barrier Netting with parachutes that deploy as per Bonneville
5- At "Zero" plus 2 and just inside the out of bounds line,,, a Tractor-Trailer Lowboy rig with a Bulldozer sitting on it. It would be quite the motivator for perfectly functional
     braking systems that have redundancy built in....

We might have to reduce our current course length to One Mile, and used the .3 mile for additional stopping distance....

We get serious or we get gone,,,, It is up to us in the SCTA to make it work.....

Thoughts ?

My thoughts are that:
1. The SCTA and the BLM would never approve anything that would injure or kill a participant.
2. The first time a participant was injured or killed by a barrier as you describe, their attorneys would own the SCTA.

The solution must be one that allows for bonafide runaway vehicles or driver/riders having medical problems.
That is why the solution is to just turn the track around and the SCTA can OWN the backdoor and never allow spectators in that area.

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Re: El Mirage – To Be or Not To Be
« Reply #164 on: December 16, 2017, 07:20:50 PM »
I'd like to throw this out for discussion.  I'm not married to it, but we seem to be grasping for solutions, and this probably wouldn't be a total fix.

A radio controlled stop light installed in every vehicle operated by an SCTA official at the end of the course.  Someone blows past the end too hot, the official hits the switch to let the racer know they're done.

If runaways are the concern, make it a two-channel radio, put in a relay and make the second channel a kill switch.

They get the red light, they're expected to slow down.  They show no intention of slowing down, the official shuts 'em down.

Actually, the idea of a remote kill switch might be good in the event of an accident where the engine is still running and the driver is unconcious.  Still quite a few mechanical fuel pumps around.

Wouldn't work at Bonneville where you have more than one course - might work at Elmo?

The one argument I won't accept is that it would be too expensive.  If you're forbidden to race, then you're sitting on piles of cash that has virtually no value.
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