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« on: November 03, 2006, 12:45:00 AM »
As advertised, tonight at the Roadster club meeting we cussed and
discusses the published and proposed rule changes for cars in 07 and beyond.
With the committee identified and the schedule set for the meeting
it would seem things are going as you might expect.
Not so with the motorcycles that offered none of that .

SURPRIZED  ??
NOT ME

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« Reply #1 on: November 03, 2006, 10:23:43 PM »
Are you saying I won't be moved to another class next year?
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« Reply #2 on: November 04, 2006, 10:00:46 PM »
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Are you saying I won't be moved to another class next year?


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« Reply #3 on: November 27, 2006, 08:51:17 PM »
Have the MC rule proposals for 07 been presented to the clubs or
 anybody yet as should be the practice ?
Have they gone to the board for approval yet ?
I think not but there may be more stuff  "LURKING IN THE SHADOWS". :wink:
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« Reply #4 on: November 27, 2006, 10:05:42 PM »
The proposed rule changes (both car/bike) will be presented to the board at this Friday nights board/reps meeting for the final thumbs up/down vote by the board.

The car rules were hashed out last Saturday ( 11/18 ) at the car rules committee meeting. I don't know about the M/C stuff.
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« Reply #5 on: November 27, 2006, 10:14:18 PM »
The motorcycle rules have not been presented to the clubs for comment.
Why are they treated to less than the cars? :wink:
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« Reply #6 on: November 27, 2006, 11:03:14 PM »
Could be because we two wheels less than cars.
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« Reply #7 on: November 28, 2006, 12:24:37 AM »
Kind of makes you understand why each year there are more M/C racers taking part in the BUB Speed Trials
Granted, the BUB event is FAR from perfect......
......but at least there is communication between the racers and the rule-makers.
Hopefully, with the new officers for 2007
SCTA will understand that the motorcyle
racers pay their money and should be represented in the same way as the car people.......we can only hope!!!!!!!!
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« Reply #8 on: November 28, 2006, 01:02:02 AM »
what about a combined long/short course for bikes and liscencing only at speedweek?? anyone know the number of bikes vs. cars at speedweek?
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« Reply #9 on: November 28, 2006, 01:23:10 AM »
Lots of things have been tried over the years in answer to the perception
the bikes get more runs than the cars.
Things like separate lines etc. failed.
The thing that is not universally understood is the bikes often run with
 fewer delays than cars and have fewer things to get ready.
A common mistake was to line up in the short line with the expectation
that it put you closer to the front of the line.
The mistake was the cars take up much more space with the support
vehicles as opposed to the bikes that might have 10 entries in the same space.
Always count noses not distance to the front.
Availble salt space will dictate the number of tracks that can be run.
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« Reply #10 on: November 28, 2006, 01:26:40 AM »
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There were 490 Entries:  330 cars and 103 bikes including 57 Class Changes.  Total 433 vehicles.
There were 194 daily records set:  72 bikes and 122 cars.
There were 154 event records set:  63 bikes and 91 cars.
There were 2,018 timed runs:  1181 Short Course and 837 Long Course.
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« Reply #11 on: November 28, 2006, 02:25:06 AM »
Jack D has a point.  Cars and support vehicles take up a lot of space.  Plus getting a driver lashed in adds a fair bit of time.  Some cars require the hood or scoop to be off when starting the car and more time to "bolt" the hood or scoop on.  A lot of car guys don't understand the fact that leathers are a roll cage, fire suit, five point harness rolled into one.  zip up and you're ready to go.  I have never felt like a "second class citizen" with the SCTA.  Quite the contrary.  Or maybe I'm not sensitive enough/don't care so long as I can run.  But I would like to thank the SCTA for putting on great meets year after year.  And all those who give their time.
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« Reply #12 on: November 28, 2006, 08:34:40 AM »
Jack, why'd you go and point this out to them?

"A common mistake was to line up in the short line with the expectation
that it put you closer to the front of the line.
The mistake was the cars take up much more space with the support
vehicles as opposed to the bikes that might have 10 entries in the same space.
Always count noses not distance to the front."


I've counted vehicles, not distance from end of the line to the start line, and that's why we often get to move up past vehicles that "got in line next to us" before they do.  It's just like heading for the toll booth with the semis -- one 70-foot long semi takes up about the same room as four cars, and  Voila, we're back at cruising speed before the other lines pay their money.

Bikers forgotten?  Not likely.  New rules are coming, you betcha.  No big changes, though. . .
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« Reply #13 on: November 28, 2006, 10:19:37 AM »
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We can talk in front of the car guys because they will never get it anyway.
Do you think they would ever follow you ? LOL
At an early USFRA meet it was 4 miles to a 132" trap. that and about 40
 entries is all they had.
It was pretty casual.
I made a run on a 190mph street bike, and because there was no traffic
on the return road, I came back just about as fast.
The time ticket was available at the start line from Mary West.
She said I set 1/2 of a club record and it would be averaged with my next run.
She looked up and the Roadster that was next still wasn't ready and she
 said it was still my turn if I was ready now.
I went again.
The trophy was hand painted on a junk yard flex plate and is valued more that most.
Well those days are gone but knowing where you are in line do make a difference.
Someday I will tell you about working to the front of long course line at Speedweek. :wink:
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« Reply #14 on: November 28, 2006, 11:02:30 AM »
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Kind of makes you understand why each year there are more M/C racers taking part in the BUB Speed Trials
Granted, the BUB event is FAR from perfect......
......but at least there is communication between the racers and the rule-makers.
Hopefully, with the new officers for 2007
SCTA will understand that the motorcyle
racers pay their money and should be represented in the same way as the car people.......we can only hope!!!!!!!!


Bak,

I dont agree with this. With all the motorcycles at BUB's. IT is a great thing. But there was small percentage of those that were other venue racers for LSR. That was my observation. I think the BUB meet might actually bring more to BNI and USFRA meet. My observation.

BUB meet is getting better. I enjoy it lots.. Some things need worked out still but it IS on the up and up... Its funny though now the SCTA allows more innovation then does AMA and BUB according to the rules.. And BUB's in an International meet... There was a time when FIM was unlimited in innovation,,, Not in todays rules...

Ill keep coming either way... Great meet...

Jon
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