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Author Topic: Bockscar 2.0  (Read 84580 times)

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Offline Speed Limit 1000

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Re: Bockscar 2.0
« Reply #75 on: November 13, 2017, 09:33:25 PM »
I think the seat is 5052. Bent and welded :cheers:
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Re: Bockscar 2.0
« Reply #76 on: November 13, 2017, 11:10:26 PM »
Yea really nice clamps... manna from heaven... they just miraculously showed up in the mail  :cheers:
I think the seat pan is .050 or .063... I moved placement of the frame member to the crouch belt attachment, so the bottom of the pan will also need to be adjusted a little... lot to do before that.  Found JD2 has a 7.5 CL radius die for 1 5/8 tube... may be the new solution, that will be plenty of room compared to the old 6 inch CL cage.  Just have to find someone that has one or someone with a JD2 bender....
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MSA Bockscar Lakester #1000 my fastest mile 245 and change, 84 ci turbobusa motor... but Corey's 233 MPH H/BFL record is still 3MPH faster than mine.

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Re: Bockscar 2.0
« Reply #77 on: November 14, 2017, 09:27:58 AM »
We have that capability do not have 1 5/8 die I used 1.75" and 2"
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Re: Bockscar 2.0
« Reply #78 on: November 14, 2017, 02:54:57 PM »
I have an Eastwood hydraulic bender 1-5/8 X 8" CL.
  Sid.

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Re: Bockscar 2.0
« Reply #79 on: November 15, 2017, 03:15:59 PM »
SS  I will work with you on the die if it helps you
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Re: Bockscar 2.0
« Reply #80 on: November 15, 2017, 10:46:40 PM »
I have an Eastwood hydraulic bender 1-5/8 X 8" CL.
  Sid.

OK folks, anyone plan to be traveling the NW corridor I15 at hiway 30 in Idaho toward Denver, Nebraska or Kansas in the very near future... and willing to pick up a bender and drag it toward me?
Sid has offered it up, any help would be appreciated with beer, wine, whiskey and dinner on this end.
« Last Edit: November 16, 2017, 11:43:14 AM by Stainless1 »
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Re: Bockscar 2.0
« Reply #81 on: November 16, 2017, 09:56:37 AM »
Floor structure is made and tacked in place except the seat back which requires the rear roll bar before it can be finished.  This is what I think will work and be safe.
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Re: Bockscar 2.0
« Reply #82 on: November 17, 2017, 09:41:27 PM »
Well, this is why we post build diary's... one of my team mates disagreed with my last post.... Pork Pie thought I needed a little more structure on the floor, and made a pretty good case... so here is now what I think is a pretty safe and strong floor structure for the car.... well at least until Pork Pie sees it... :|
« Last Edit: November 17, 2017, 09:43:20 PM by Stainless1 »
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MSA Bockscar Lakester #1000 my fastest mile 245 and change, 84 ci turbobusa motor... but Corey's 233 MPH H/BFL record is still 3MPH faster than mine.

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Re: Bockscar 2.0
« Reply #83 on: November 17, 2017, 09:57:48 PM »
Just a thought...



...or maybe not.   :mrgreen:

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Re: Bockscar 2.0
« Reply #84 on: November 18, 2017, 07:57:02 AM »
  If you do everything Porkpie's way you will exceed the weight limit of the tires.  :-D
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Re: Bockscar 2.0
« Reply #85 on: November 18, 2017, 11:46:39 AM »
Well this is a driver containment area as well as part of the structure to keep the frame and driver protection in place.  The braced area is where the drivers butt lands and where the lapbelt will end up attached to the main frame rails. 
We started planning the new Bockscar after I went 246... my 228 record was nearly 100 MPH faster than the first record we set back in 1984 with the car.... we knew we were already pushing the safety limits... over the years we added and changed keeping up with the safety within the rules.... but we also were the original builders and always kept in mind how old the car was... and the repairs from past changes and incidents. 
So we are trying to build a car for 250+... The old one stayed together for the 190 experience... a lot of the structure is bent, but nothing broke, our biggest fear that the car was rusting from the inside... at some point, I plan to dissect a few spots to see what we had.  I don't plan to make a lot of the "mistakes" we made, most were correctable.  There were parts of the frame and sub-frame that were drilled and tapped to attach parts, opening those to salt exposure... not our best ideas...  :| but we never expected to be where we are now, back then.
Pork Pie knows what we want to build and how safe we want to build it.  If it weighs in a couple hundred pounds more than the original...
maybe I won't need to put the ballast back in.    :cheers:
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MSA Bockscar Lakester #1000 my fastest mile 245 and change, 84 ci turbobusa motor... but Corey's 233 MPH H/BFL record is still 3MPH faster than mine.

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Re: Bockscar 2.0
« Reply #86 on: November 18, 2017, 03:11:28 PM »
That's no way to talk about your drivers!
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Re: Bockscar 2.0
« Reply #87 on: November 18, 2017, 07:35:35 PM »
 :-o  :-D  :roll:  :cheers:
Thanks Stan.... point taken
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Re: Bockscar 2.0
« Reply #88 on: November 19, 2017, 09:30:41 AM »
    Stainless, I'm glad you are doing this and putting it on here for us to watch. I never miss a chance to give Porkpie a little "dig" but his points are well taken. Safety is his job.
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Re: Bockscar 2.0
« Reply #89 on: November 26, 2017, 10:56:57 AM »
Moved the build into the heated part of the shop, not because it is climate controlled, but because that is where the Tig is.  I have 220 out in the other shop, but the plugs are different and I'm to lazy to build an extension cord that will convert them right now. 

I decided to weld in the floor while I wait for the bending die to show up for the roll cage.  Sid, I appreciate the offer to use your bender, but the logistics seem to be a bit difficult.  I ordered a 7.5 CL radius die from JD2 since they were 10% off for Black Friday.  A friend offered to lend me his JD2 Model 3 hydraulic bender, I just need to drive over and get it. 

I started welding in the floor bracing and figured out one thing.... I need to make better tacks with the Mig.  The tacks were lumps that were hard to weld over... I welded the underside... wow is that frame table rotisserie nice... Thanks Sparky   :wink: 
Flipped it back over, cut the remaining tacks off and welded the parts in.  Some of the welds aren't pretty, but I'm not worried about them falling apart.  Note to self... better tacks make it easier

So here are a couple of pics of the fun.
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Red Hat 228.039, 2001, 65ci, MSA Bockscar Lakester with a little N20 
MSA Bockscar Lakester #1000 my fastest mile 245 and change, 84 ci turbobusa motor... but Corey's 233 MPH H/BFL record is still 3MPH faster than mine.