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Author Topic: G/F class lakester in Wichita, Kansas  (Read 112467 times)

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Offline ggl205

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Re: G/F class lakester in Wichita, Kansas
« Reply #375 on: August 27, 2019, 10:34:58 AM »
Hi Rex:

Yeah, I had to bail this year. We were going to concentrate on getting Lyn into the 200 mph club but she crashed pretty hard at an SVRA Race of Champions held at the Indianapolis road course and fractured the T-22 vertebrae. She said everything was OK and that her doc had cleared her to drive but I was not going to risk it. Lyn is a true professional and she really wants into the 2-club (we want her there too) but in the event something should go dreadfully wrong on course, well, you know what I mean.

So, we will be back next year and really ready for some serious speed.

John

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Re: G/F class lakester in Wichita, Kansas
« Reply #376 on: August 27, 2019, 10:54:41 AM »
We had a little time over 2018/19 to make changes and create a few updates. Attached are images of the completed Watts link, new battery placement (farther forward), wider front axle, new spindle arm, repositioned plate for all electronics and fire bottles (easy access) and a glimpse at what all new trailing links look like (much beefier). I think we now have better weight distribution. What remains is to build a three foot addition to the rear complete with rear stabilizer. This should give us a more favorable Cp/Cg relationship.

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Re: G/F class lakester in Wichita, Kansas
« Reply #377 on: August 28, 2019, 12:26:04 PM »
John
How long (centre to centre) are your Watts linkage ?link arms??

I am trying to decide between Watts and a sliding block for the rear axle and was worried about short arms. (With deep pockets)

I guess the axle movement is quite slight in terms of bump and rebound so won?t find their limits?
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Re: G/F class lakester in Wichita, Kansas
« Reply #378 on: August 28, 2019, 06:50:46 PM »
John, I will get those link lengths out to you tomorrow but it really doesn?t matter how long they are. Given the amount of vertical travel we see, even short arms work fine.

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Re: G/F class lakester in Wichita, Kansas
« Reply #379 on: August 29, 2019, 09:22:46 AM »
John, horizontal links are 4.25 inches long end-to-end and 7.25 inches long center-to-center on rod ends. I can move the front axle up and down through a full range (before things begin to run into one another) and the vertical prop link hardly moves. When one end of the axle moves up, the prop link does move some but does so in concert with the other end. It is a great setup and should keep my axle in perfect alignment through bump. The old Panard bar caused the axle to shift laterally in bump.

I don?t see any problem with sliding block if it is aligned properly and kept greased. Things take a hard pounding on the salt so whatever you decide, make it sturdy, then go back and double that.

John
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Re: G/F class lakester in Wichita, Kansas
« Reply #380 on: August 29, 2019, 11:01:53 AM »
Thanks John
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Re: G/F class lakester in Wichita, Kansas
« Reply #381 on: August 29, 2019, 12:51:39 PM »
Depending on how you go about it, I think a Watts link easier to build than a sliding block.

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Re: G/F class lakester in Wichita, Kansas
« Reply #382 on: August 29, 2019, 03:47:09 PM »
I am leaning that way. My rear design has subtly altered from my original concept sketches and may well be better suited to Watts. The rear axle rear cover with reinforcing and bracketry could go either way.

Recognising your Watts pic was a front end here,  I am still undecided on the front axle setup.
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Re: G/F class lakester in Wichita, Kansas
« Reply #383 on: November 01, 2019, 08:07:25 AM »
I have been re thinking front suspension. I am uncomfortable with how close lower shock attachments are to the under tray. I have an axle droop stop but any compression of the rubber stop and shock mounts contact the tray. I was going to redo front shocks in favor of a rocker arrangement for 2021 but decided to do it this year instead. I think it better for a number of reasons so here is what it looks like so far. Just waiting for warmer weather to finish welding pivot posts and drop links.

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Re: G/F class lakester in Wichita, Kansas
« Reply #384 on: November 01, 2019, 08:38:24 AM »
I wish I could be at SW2020 and see it in the metal.

I have mocked up version 1 of my rear rockers but the load path isn't ideal so I am moving to version 2 and procrastinating by doing work in other areas hoping for a light bulb moment.
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Re: G/F class lakester in Wichita, Kansas
« Reply #385 on: November 01, 2019, 09:12:01 AM »
John, I went through a similar process. Originally, I wanted to use as much existing utility on the car as possible. That meant making pivot post brackets bolting to top shock mounts. That didn?t pass muster with an aircraft structure engineer friend of mine so on to the next iteration. I must have gone through several designs in my head, hoping for that ?lightbulb moment?. Most ideas I was coming up with were 15W at best. Tom Burkland eventually bailed me out with the idea of simply welding directly into the top chassis crossmember, two pivot posts much like you would with threaded weld-in bungs. Perfect solution with an even lower profile. Only perceived downside is the rocker pivot is operating in tension rather than the more desirable compression. I think this acceptable because specs for these rod ends say they are safe to 17,000 psi. So, as it stands, other than having a beam front axle, everything has changed from the original front end.

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Re: G/F class lakester in Wichita, Kansas
« Reply #386 on: January 08, 2020, 12:59:01 PM »
We are having unseasonably nice weather this week and it gave me opportunity to complete the front suspension. My version of a Watts link, rocker front axle.

John

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Re: G/F class lakester in Wichita, Kansas
« Reply #387 on: January 10, 2020, 07:56:17 PM »
That looks tidy. Is that a lot of preload on the springs or just in mock up at the moment?
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Re: G/F class lakester in Wichita, Kansas
« Reply #388 on: January 10, 2020, 08:29:13 PM »
A mock up, for the most part, John. Once car is on the ground, spring perches will be adjusted for desired ride height. Any additional adjustments will be through vertical links from axle to rockers. If I got it right, springs will be in contact with both perches with axle in full droop. Counting on about .500? spring compression with tires on the ground.

John