Shootout 2016

[trimmers]

I'm not a 2 Club member but I thought I'd add a couple of things that might also bear consideration.

The SCTA-BNI  "I" engine class covers 750 to 1000cc's, but the FIA groups (A-I-5 and A-II-5) are for 750 to 1100cc.  So would somebody running the Shootout with a 1070cc engine be held to the "I" or "H" SCTA-BNI minimum?

The SCTA-BNI "E" class (3000 to 4276) doesn't align with FIA A-I/II-9 (3000 to 4000).   Would any 4-liter FIA records have to exceed the SCTA-BNI minimum for 4.276?

FIA A-I/II-10 (4000 to 6000) doesn't match SCTA-BNI C/D, either

FIA also has separate groups for rotary (i.e. Wankel) engines.  How will those be handled?

Then, there's turbine (wheel-driven), electric, and steam.  Both FIA and SCTA-BNI assign these classes based on weight, but they're all different: only 3 classes each for SCTA-BNI, but FIA has 11.

FIA has hybrid and solar, too, but not SCTA-BNI.

DW:  I just thought I've give you something to ponder to keep you out of mischief!

Jeff in Boise

[Stan Back]

"The SCTA-BNI  "I" engine class covers 750 to 1000cc's, but the FIA groups (A-I-5 and A-II-5) are for 750 to 1100cc.  So would somebody running the Shootout with a 1070cc engine be held to the "I" or "H" SCTA-BNI minimum?"

How simple can this be?  If it's 1070cc, it doesn't fit in "I".  Lots (most) records are run under the class limit.  If you are over, you're in a different class.

I'm sure they measure the engines in the FIA attempts.  And can tell if the Blown or Unblown.  Any not running the "event gas" are fuel.

Next case . . .

[saltwheels262]

 I will sit back and long for the simpler, good old days.

 

I'm pretty sure back then that there were two backup runs to be made to set a record. Making it a total of three passes to set a record.

franey

[Stan Back]

They weren't "back-up runs" as both were counted for the record.

In the olden days, you had to qualify over the record (didn't count) to run for the record.  Then two "record runs".

[saltwheels262]

Got it, Stan.
Thanks for the correction.

[trimmers]

How simple can this be?  If it's 1070cc, it doesn't fit in "I".  Lots (most) records are run under the class limit.  If you are over, you're in a different class.

Yes, I realize it doesn't fit into "I", which was exactly my point.  While some FIA classes are equivalent to SCTA-BNI classes, some others are not.  So, where do you draw the line?

Also, is this going to work both ways?  If a 200+MPH FIA record is higher than the SCTA-BNI record, would the FIA record have to be exceeded for a red hat at Speedweek?

I guess what I'm trying to convey is that the deeper you look into this situation, the more complex it appears.

[Stan Back]

"So, where do you draw the line?"

At the class breaks.

[TrickyDicky]

"So, where do you draw the line?"

At the class breaks.

SCTA, FIA, FIM, WLSRA, ... 

How many lines???

[joea]

very good questions Trimmers...

considering when in recent times ... two cars...and one bike...had SCTA classes
that perfectly align with FIA/FIM...and entrants ran in meets prior to the
Shootout....made runs that were short of the published Bonn. 200 Mph Club minimums....did not garner entry...

then ran weeks later in Shootout....still ran under published minimums
in same vehicles..same classes that perfectly align...

and were inducted into the Bonn. 200 mph club....

[nrhs sales]

and folks wonder why I started my own "2 club" for the AMA event!!!

[kiwi belly tank]

"So, where do you draw the line?"

At the class breaks.

SCTA, FIA, FIM, WLSRA, ... 

How many lines???

Who is the WLSRA?
  Sid.

[salt27]

"So, where do you draw the line?"

At the class breaks.

SCTA, FIA, FIM, WLSRA, ... 

How many lines???

Who is the WLSRA?
  Sid.

World Land Speed Racing Association

[Stan Back]

I believe that the 200 Club was an offshoot of the SCTA.  And still aligned with the SCTA. All the board members appear to be SCTA members.

So, maybe, they can include members who set a record over 200 -- only at Bonneville.  It's in their name.  It's that simple.  The FIA and the FIM can run at multiple locations.  The Bonneville 200 MPH Club is for Bonneville.

And they have hundreds of SCTA classes to get a record from.  If your 50cc P/P bike runs over 200 -- you can apply to the club.

Say if you run under FIA at Bonneville and surpass the applicable SCTA record, you can apply.  Same with USFRA.  And as to classification -- aren't most 200+ FIA records set by streamliners?  Doesn't the FIA check and release displacement certification?  Isn't unknown fuel considered fuel in SCTA.  Doesn't the SCTA records require the Gas records be set with the Event Gas?  Isn't the 200 Club President an FIA referee?  I'm sure he can tell a streamliner from a production car.  He's most knowledgable in certifying for SCTA records.

I see nothing wrong with giving an FIA record-holder membership if his runs surpass the equivalent SCTA record.  He did it the hard way -- under time constraint.

I, personally, think that giving an FIA record-holder a membership if he did not surpass the equivalent SCTA record should be a problem.  But that's just me.  You know how I am.  

You can't be a World Series winner by winning the World Cup.

Stan

[trimmers]

I agree 100% with what Stan said.   If there's an equivalent SCTA class, then that class record (200MPH or more) should be exceeded to get a red hat in an FIA meet - at Bonneville.

The problem is that there are FIA classes which have no SCTA equivalent.  They're the ones for which some other procedure should be developed and applied.

[Stainless1]

Trim, can you research and publish a list of all of the FIA/FIM classes, class description and the current records to make it easier for a lot of us to understand. 
Yea I know... that is a lot of work