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Offline wfojohn

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EPA
« on: February 10, 2016, 01:37:08 PM »
Power Nation website has a petition to get signatures to stop the EPA from doing away with race cars made from street cars. I watched the video a few minutes ago.

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"Problems are almost always a sign of progress."  Harold Bettes
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Re: EPA
« Reply #2 on: February 10, 2016, 01:59:21 PM »
I was told at our club meeting last night that the EPA has done a turn around on the idea.  
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Re: EPA
« Reply #4 on: February 10, 2016, 07:27:40 PM »
Currently at 94 thousand signatures in about 24 hours that is a pretty quick and firm response that hopefully will make them think twice.

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Re: EPA
« Reply #5 on: February 10, 2016, 08:42:47 PM »
Just went over 100,000 at about 18:41 mountain time, added 6000 signatures in about 14 minutes.
(tally only updates about once every 3 minutes so timing is not exact.)

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Re: EPA
« Reply #6 on: February 10, 2016, 09:05:31 PM »
It would be nice to get that kind of support for STS
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Re: EPA
« Reply #7 on: February 10, 2016, 10:36:34 PM »
Once the camel gets his nose in the tent, he's in- we're out.

This EPA idea should be stone dead.

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ

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Re: EPA
« Reply #8 on: February 11, 2016, 12:13:06 AM »
A politician friend of mine says to take this threat very seriously, and engage in pushback RIGHT NOW. Gubmint continues to over-reach unless we swat their hands away. Take a tip from the NRA, folks.
« Last Edit: February 11, 2016, 12:15:00 AM by aircap »
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Re: EPA
« Reply #9 on: February 11, 2016, 01:39:31 AM »
It would be nice to get that kind of support for STS
The difference here being this is where the money is, if you want to get people moving, reach into their pocket.
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Re: EPA
« Reply #10 on: February 11, 2016, 03:34:37 PM »
Yeah, they weren't "banning racecar conversions" they were banning racecars that have been modified from their EPA certificate... like engine swaps and exhaust/cam/intake/ecu/carburetion configuration changes.

Don't worry, they promised to selectively enforce it only on street-driven cars...

The change is in the past they considered a competition vehicle based on use, not a case of "ever having been in a certified condition."
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Re: EPA
« Reply #11 on: February 11, 2016, 10:51:29 PM »
Mergatroyd, that's the thing. How hard will they enforce it? The letter of the law says that it is illegal to modify a vehicle in such a way that it will affect the emissions. Even changing a tire size can to that, since that will change the rpm at a given speed. This would mean that having a "tune" on a computer controlled car would be illegal, even if it only affected emissions at full throttle. This is definitely not a good thing.

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Re: EPA
« Reply #12 on: February 12, 2016, 01:42:21 AM »
The EPA is much more concerned about how you dispose of your used oil from your race car than your race car.   

Pitchforks and torches can be left in the shed on this one.

But don't throw 'em out . . .  :wink:
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Re: EPA
« Reply #13 on: February 12, 2016, 12:12:39 PM »
So you think the EPA wants to basically kill off the racing industry as we know it?  Somehow I think that would be just as devastating for them.  Nascar alone moves $1B a year.  Another silly concept they could never enforce.  
The new EPA proposal is specifically for medium and heavy duty vehicles: "“Greenhouse Gas Emissions and Fuel Efficiency Standards for Medium- and Heavy-Duty Engines and Vehicles." 
This is mostly for mining trucks, over-the-road trucks, etc...  Over 8500 lbs, not including the addition of ballast to what is otherwise a light duty race car or truck.   
« Last Edit: February 12, 2016, 12:24:05 PM by distributorguy »
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Re: EPA
« Reply #14 on: February 12, 2016, 12:23:55 PM »
So you think the EPA wants to basically kill off the racing industry as we know it?  Somehow I think that would be just as devastating for them.  Nascar alone moves $1B a year.  Another silly concept they could never enforce.  

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