UTAH ALLIANCE

[Bob Drury]

  The bottom line is that If He knew where He had to get to meant crossing groomed areas He should have crossed before or near the starting lines of the courses which would create the least harm (safety wise).  Like I said in My previous post, He is a nice guy who went out of His way to get me off of the road...yes the road (no shoulder there) and from my stand point provides a service that We need.  He just needs a set of rules, a gps and a copy of the coordinates of the current courses.  If it is a non-official vehicle then He should drive over it and drag the carcass further out and leave it.  I will pay the first $100. for that resolution.     Bob

[azterry]

A story, regarding the infamous Snow Cat, from the Salt Biscuit Team. I think it was during Speed week 2011 and we
had our bike in impound waiting for a back up run. During the night there was a whopper of a rainstorm which soaked
the Bend in the Road camping area. We found that, early in the morning, the mud was so greasy that our 30 foot MH
with a two axle trailer was totally stuck - just couldn't move. So we called Salt Flats towing and they easily extracted our
complete rig with the Snow Cat. That was the good part - the not so good part was that the service charge was $900.
The moral of the story is - keep your money and don't park where you will be caught in the mud when you need to
hurry to impound.
AZTerry

[crawford]

  Mike, with all due respect, Louise reported facts while You are countering with YOUR opinion as is nothing more than that.  You seem to enjoy stirring the pot as much as helping Us out.  We support You and Your business but We don't necessarily have to.                  Bob

one suggestion don't, Bob. really don't care doing just fine without your business, and yes I mean that.

[Bob Drury]

  No skin off My ass either Mike.  It's a three hour round trip into Keystone Automotive and They Always Have It.  With your "take it or leave it" attitude and Your constant dismissal of any evidence contrary to research by others (and Yes You were right about this Year so far but one thirty minute thunderstorm may change that at any time)
but I wonder how much support You are losing for the Museum with Your pompous attitude.  You have made Your bed, now You sleep in it.
                                                                                                Sincerely, Bob

[rouse]

  We support You and Your business but We don't necessarily have to.                  Bob

[/quote] one suggestion don't, Bob. really don't care doing just fine without your business, and yes I mean that.
[/quote]

WOW!

Rouse

[Seldom Seen Slim]

Guys, guys, please -- internecine tantrums won't help any of us in anything other than stress relief.  If we're cranky at one another now -- how're we gonna keep a civil mood going when we are all in Wendover at once?

See you on the salt.

[SPARKY]

SSS   HEAR yee    Hear yee  hear yee 

[gnomenator]

SSS, what exactly IS a 'internecine tantrum' ?    You are right on , we need to pull together and concentrate on the important stuff>>   The BSF and Lord willin' the upcoming events!  By the way , thanks for hosting this forum, it is a great place to keep up to date and get so really good advice. I'll be putting together a little  stipend to send your way as soon as the gov let's go with some of my SS ' entitlement'   Safe , fun season to all !! 

[Seldom Seen Slim]

Gnome said:  "...what exactly IS a 'internecine tantrum' ..."

See page 697 of the Oxford American College Dictionary that's sitting right here on the desk.  That'll get you "internecine".  Tantrum -- you're on your own for that one.

Another phrase could be destructive sibling rivalry - in a manner of thinking.  Does that help?  Whatever -- thanks for thinking of me.  In my case the check arrives on the third Wednesday.

[Bob Drury]

  I have reread what I previously posted on this subject several times and didn't see or understand Mikes retribution (?) but I guess it's one more thing I can add to My resume... I have been officially kicked out of a Auto Parts Store... and without even being there! 
  Up until now I only had a half a dozen or so Bar's, one Restaurant, and......... maybe a Algebra class or two, oh,  and the University of Oregon disinvite Me from returning.  It didn't work with Uncle Sam however.
  The whole thing is ubsurd.  I have now reread His response at least ten times and I am still left shaking My Head.  We all need to stop watching Politics on T.V.
                                              Bob Drury (and no, I am not mad at Mike or anyone who feels my "disbarment" was deserved).

[Speed Limit 1000]

 

[joea]

Not long ago I shared some facts here regarding BSF care and condition

And this entity referred to me as "....
..""you are one of those special racers US locals call special!"

It meant a lot to me to be validated ...

seriously though this dialogue helps in understanding some the political climate..
that is important in moving forward...

As the political avenue is where progress will need to be fostered

We can hope that strong leadership emerges

[DallasV]

Back to what started this, the snow cat. IMHO it is a necessary evil. The problem lies with idiots getting stuck out on the salt. The snow cat driver provides a service and probably doesn't know where they should or shouldn't cross and shouldn't be criticized too harshly. If there are no cars to yank out he doesn't ever get on the salt. Look to the root cause to eliminate a problem.

[RichFox]

Absolute truth. A snow cat is probably the least destructive thing you can reasonably expect the tow service to supply. Do you think he should get a heavy lift helicopter? Blame the stuck dumbbell. Not the guy who removes him.

[hotrod]

Might be worth while for the racing groups to send him a courtesy map of where they are laying out courses since it changes a bit from year to year so he has a clear reference of those paths which would likely put the course safety in jeopardy.

Having worked on a tow truck years ago, it is a challenge sometimes to figure out the least damaging way to approach a stuck car without getting yourself stuck too.
As all such business he also has to consider wear and tear on his track and time, so unless told otherwise would want to take the most direct route out to the stranded vehicle.

I'm sure he would appreciate a good faith effort to help him avoid unintentionally trashing a critical part of the course, if the BLM were brought into this without first discussing the issue with the tow operator that would be poor sportsmanship. I of course don't know all the back story so if that discussion has happened several times in the past and in spite of that the tow operator disregarded damage to the courses then that would be a different issue.

A little consideration and professional courtesy goes a long way and we should not go out of our way to step on people's toes if it is not necessary.

Same goes for Mike Crawford due to his position in the community he has pressures he has to consider that outsiders do not. He after all has to live there in the off season, and he needs to seek the best solution for the town as well as the racers. Serving the needs of totally different groups can get very complicated and we need to understand that reality and not unnecessarily put him in a no win situation.