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Offline tauruck

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Speed Demon 2015.
« on: June 22, 2015, 11:01:08 PM »
I just spent some time looking at George's site. :-D

Lots of pics of the new car and these guys are in a hurry.

Composites are composites and the team uses the same
processes and materials I do. :wink:

This is the BIG LEAGUE!!!!!!!!!

Way to go guys. Awesome stuff. :cheers:

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Re: Speed Demon 2015.
« Reply #1 on: June 23, 2015, 01:14:34 PM »
 AHA! That's a pretty nice looking rear suspension on the new car..................  Bob
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Re: Speed Demon 2015.
« Reply #2 on: June 24, 2015, 12:34:05 AM »
The rear suspension is... interesting. I have to assume that the photos I saw are a work-in-progress; and that some triangulation will be added to the top frame tubes where the L-arm pivot attaches to it. The total rear suspension force (a 45 degree vector up & back) fed into those unsupported rails isn't good.
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Re: Speed Demon 2015.
« Reply #3 on: June 24, 2015, 08:56:39 PM »
Jack, like you, upon seeing the Speed Demon rear suspension mounting in the middle of that span, I was concerned.  So, I went down and visited the shop and got a surprisingly thorough tour from Steve.  Below are highlights of the tour for whomsoever is interested.

The suspension mount is now triangulated.  There are fixed tubing runs from just in front of and behind the pivot lug on the span, and in the same vertical plane, but upward to the crosstubes over the ends of the spans.  In addition, there are pinned (removable for rear end installation) struts from lugs on the bottom of the tube where the pivot lug is located, downward and forward and rearwards to mating lugs on the frame and a lug added just above the bottom forward 4-bar mount.  While this now seems to be adequate and serviceable, some of it has the look of ad-hoc additions.  A simpler and more streamlined design would be possible, but there it is.  The sliding Y-frame on the bottom appears again, something I personally don’t like, but something carried over from before.

The L-frame rocker is, in fact, steel, and when asked why there were no gussets between the arms, Steve said they just haven’t been added yet.  In between the spring/shock units is a mount for a ride height LVDT.  The rocker shaft is 1” steel round retained by washers and bolts as seen in the photos, running on brass sleeve bearings.

That’s about it for the rear suspension.  More generally:

They intend to run at Speedweek 2015!  There’s a lot of work to do yet, there were 4 guys working on it, they know it will be tight, but that’s the goal.  They only just got the body panels in a week or so ago, so there is a lot of skin finishing and mounting provisions to make up.  The frame is about half welded up.

The shape and dimension of the new car is essentially the same as the old, with three notable variations.  The canopy is the same shape but now had some internal reinforcements.  The top-mounted engine air inlet scoop is gone, replaced by inlets on the side of the body just infront of the “hips” covering the rear tires.  Exhaust outlets will now be more-or-less flush with the body top instead of sticking up from it.  The belly pan, which earlier tilted up from a location some ways in front of the rear axle, now tilts at the axle line.
The belly pan is about 1/4” honeycomb material, real stiff, with a very slick finish on the bottom.  Fastened with bolts through low-profile counter-bored fittings bonded into the honeycomb.
They have some really slick low profile push-button connectors for the body panels that need to be put on and off a lot--engine cover, rear wheel covers etc.  The connectors grab onto ball-ended studs mounted to the frame.

The front suspension now has direct-reading load cells for lift/downforce measurements.  They plan on running the car 1/2” lower than before. 

Considerable effort has gone into streamlining engine change operations.  Quick disconnects on front and back for fluids and electrics.  Flexible plumbing (except for water) is now a new crimp-on type, light weight and to be insulated.  As per “F1” practice, but I forgot the manufacturer name.
Built-in lift eyes on the engine plates.  Engines are done, they will be taking three displacements.  The zig-zag upper frame tube splices are not a commercial item, they had them EDM’d.  Trailer has hoist and beam running out the side door to handle engine changes.

The transmission unit is “self-contained”.  All the air-shifter crap is mounted on it with just a minimum air supply and control interface to the car.

The engine cooling water reservoir consists of two joined cylindrical tanks.  Holy cow!  Somebody learned about the detriments of flat-panelled pressure vessels.  Reservoir is fitted with two large blow-off valves in case of head gasket failure.

I had intended, but forgot, to ask about aero testing--CP location etc since that was raised as an issue after that last run.  Perhaps another day.

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Re: Speed Demon 2015.
« Reply #4 on: June 24, 2015, 09:00:38 PM »
Whats the address for Georges build site?
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Re: Speed Demon 2015.
« Reply #6 on: June 24, 2015, 11:07:40 PM »
I hope all of you visit the websites that Woody posted and not try to go see the car under construction. The last thing the Speed Demon guys need right now is bunch of fans at the door. Of course, they would feel obligated to show hospitality to their racing family, but every time they do that, time will be subtracted from the Speedweek deadline. And then there is the chance something gets missed or overlooked because they were distracted.

Having gone through this with world record builds I can tell you the team wants to share, but they also want to get the darn thing built right, built safe for George to drive. Every time someone shows up -- no matter how short the visit, or how very important the person -- it shreds concentration.

There is a compressor section somewhere with blade damage at every stage courtesy of a "lost" Dzus fastener that got sucked up and into the inlet as Don Vesco was thundering past 400. Those marvelous axial flow powerplants breathe like huffing dragons. As far as I know Don never said a word to the "helper" who misplaced it and cost the team its return record run. That delay, combined with another engine that was supposedly "perfect" caused Don to stand down another year -- just long enough for the prostate cancer to get him good.

And don't get me started about the two failed attempts with Sonic Arrow/Fossett LSR, the parade of people at the door was daunting. The only guys I let in at Breedlove's Rio Vista shop was Carl Heap and Bob Slagle -- but anyone who knew them understood the charm those two had. Bob died the next year and we lost Carl in 2004 but Phoenix remains the most amazing diesel to ever unzip the salt.

I have great hope the new Poteet streamliner will exceed Don's 458 record to earn World Wheel-Driven honors and keep at least this World honor right here in the old US of A where Vesco honorably brought it by toppling Donald Campbell's 37-year old record. Lot's of people have forgotten that part of the 458 day.  

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Re: Speed Demon 2015.
« Reply #7 on: June 25, 2015, 02:00:11 AM »
Velocity, no disrespect but if you spent more time reading the posts on the forum and not concentrating on only one area I think you'd find that the members here are racers that work on building their own cars, some with help from friends and team mates.

You honestly think that "our" guys are going to just show up at the 5 or 6 different facilities where the car is being built for a look see?????.

The members here are respectful, genuine people that know better and have their own projects to concentrate on.

Just my 2 cents all the way from Africa?.

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Re: Speed Demon 2015.
« Reply #8 on: June 25, 2015, 09:04:40 AM »
Mike... I just thought she was jonesing for a job blocking the door for George...  :roll:
Your 2 cents is worth more than you know  :cheers:
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Re: Speed Demon 2015.
« Reply #9 on: June 25, 2015, 12:53:02 PM »
  Having been involved in both sides of similar and simpler builds I can agree with Louise's premise about "drop ins" by uninvited guests during working hours (with exceptions of course). 
  I don't begrudge another racer stopping by when in the neighborhood but in the past I have literally had to toss a few out who think it is fine to show up with their kids, dogs, and friends they are trying to impress, all of whom usually could give a shit and are either in the way or want to talk about politics or their uncle who used to race sand buggies in the 60's (all of which I could give a shit about).
  I have even escorted chatting ladies out the door while "forgetting" to invite them back (including my ex).
  When I was involved in Drag Racing we referred to all of the above as "Starting Line Strutters" who liked to hang out with our race cars and spill beer while giving unwanted advice and generally being in the way.
  Jack's post was a very informative and to the point update... the kind that fellow racers appreciate and I am sure that if he did in fact "stop by" that he kept in short, offered a helping hand if needed, and didn't park his ass in front of the tool box for the next four hours.
  Believe me, if you take pride in your race car (as I do) you love to show it off to other racers or people who generally are interested.  It doesn,t matter to me where or when, but these kind of people usually understand when its time to leave............
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Re: Speed Demon 2015.
« Reply #10 on: June 25, 2015, 01:19:47 PM »

I have great hope the new Poteet streamliner will exceed Don's 458 record to earn World Wheel-Driven honors and keep at least this World honor right here in the old US of A where Vesco honorably brought it by toppling Donald Campbell's 37-year old record. Lot's of people have forgotten that part of the 458 day.  


Erm ... Wasn't Goldenrod wheel-driven? And the Summers brothers from the U.S. of A? Less than 16 months after Campbell.

And then there was Al Teague in 1991. Just sayin'.

I'm all for talking up the achievements of my fellow Brits. :-)  But they are impressive enough without exaggeration. :-D

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Re: Speed Demon 2015.
« Reply #11 on: June 25, 2015, 11:08:43 PM »
Tricky... you must realize that historians never let the facts get in the way of a their story... it is the history if you tell it enough times. :roll:
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Re: Speed Demon 2015.
« Reply #12 on: June 26, 2015, 12:03:15 AM »
Hi Bob, by saying Jack you might be referring to Interested Observer????.

He's not your average drop in type person from what I've read but I totally get your point. :cheers:

I've experienced the very situation you mentioned and one ends up putting the tools down and dealing with the "experts" as you described. Not only on this build but in my past life as race driver and bike builder.

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Re: Speed Demon 2015.
« Reply #13 on: June 26, 2015, 12:06:22 AM »
I talked to Mr Poteet a couple months ago and he said this car was going to be considerably lighter than the last car.  The thought was that they could go just as fast with less horsepower and maybe get engines to live longer (they've blown up a lot of nice parts in the past couple years).

I'll be a SpeedWeek to see how it works.

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« Reply #14 on: June 26, 2015, 01:03:01 AM »
In appreciation of historical accuracy Summer's Goldenrod and Campbell's Bluebird were two very different WORLD FIA classes.

Nearburg's  Spirit of Rhett of 414MPH topped Goldenrods 409 in 2010 and Dons 458MPH got Campbell 406 in 2001.