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Offline distributorguy

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What chemical in fire suppression systems?
« on: June 15, 2015, 03:55:57 PM »
What chemical is everyone using for fire suppression in car?  Halon?  PKP?  Different for interior versus engine bay?   :?
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What chemical in fire suppression systems?
« Reply #1 on: June 15, 2015, 04:06:41 PM »
Sorry I posted this earlier int he wrong area.
What chemical is everyone using for fire suppression in car?  Halon?  PKP?  Different for interior versus engine bay?    :?
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Re: What chemical in fire suppression systems?
« Reply #2 on: June 15, 2015, 06:21:28 PM »
I've been using DuPont FE-36, 2 5lb bottles, one for the engine, one for the passenger compartment.

Actually - and gratefully - I HAVEN'T been using it.

You may need more, depending on the class record for the Datsun.  If it's over 200 mph, you'll need additional suppression agent for the driver's compartment.

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Re: What chemical in fire suppression systems?
« Reply #3 on: June 17, 2015, 11:24:47 AM »
I gave this quite a bit of thought before I built my '34 Ford C Gas Roadster. I opted for Du Pont FE-36 in cockpit, and Firefox foam in engine bay. Reasoning, in case you have an accidental discharge in cockpit, you don't have a mess. But most importantly, with foam in the engine bay, if you put a rod out thru the block, you are going to have a fair amount of oil going on to hot headers. If using Halon in engine bay, it will put out the fire but once discharged, fire may reignite. The foam not only puts out fire but quenches headers too.
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Re: What chemical in fire suppression systems?
« Reply #4 on: June 17, 2015, 08:47:34 PM »
  We learned about Firefox the hard way this year. Take the bottles out of the car and store them in a "non-freezing" environment. The only warning any where is one that says: operating temperature 20 deg.- 140 deg. [I think]. Nowhere on the bottle or instructions does it say a simple: "Caution, Avoid placing the bottles in a freezing environment". We got a $300 lesson. Our Halon Firebottle system was fine. Our fault. Just be aware.
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Re: What chemical in fire suppression systems?
« Reply #5 on: June 18, 2015, 09:04:03 AM »
One of our team members just bought a 10 lb halon system.  Fast and hopefully effective, legal in his Chump and WRL cars, and best yet I didn't have to pay for it!
My understanding is that once the system is installed, we can always change chemicals and the nozzles stay the same. 
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Re: What chemical in fire suppression systems?
« Reply #6 on: June 18, 2015, 11:10:39 AM »
Distributorguy, that's not how I remember it. I had to change nozzles. I don't recall the details at the moment but someone will chime in.  :cheers: Wayno

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Re: What chemical in fire suppression systems?
« Reply #7 on: June 18, 2015, 11:49:16 AM »
The nozzles are different for gas VS liquid systems, also the liquid systems require the nozzles be on a continuous loop back to the bottle to avoid pressure drop at the farthest one.
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Re: What chemical in fire suppression systems?
« Reply #8 on: June 19, 2015, 12:28:18 AM »
... If using Halon in engine bay, it will put out the fire but once discharged, fire may reignite...
Thanks for the heads-up, hadn't thought about that. I'm a fan of Halon, from my experiences in tractor pulling- but there wasn't any bodywork involved.
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Re: What chemical in fire suppression systems?
« Reply #9 on: June 19, 2015, 05:43:25 AM »
I gave this quite a bit of thought before I built my '34 Ford C Gas Roadster. I opted for Du Pont FE-36 in cockpit, and Firefox foam in engine bay. Reasoning, in case you have an accidental discharge in cockpit, you don't have a mess. But most importantly, with foam in the engine bay, if you put a rod out thru the block, you are going to have a fair amount of oil going on to hot headers. If using Halon in engine bay, it will put out the fire but once discharged, fire may reignite. The foam not only puts out fire but quenches headers too.
John

I too, have had the very negative experience of an engine bay fire re-igniting after the Halon bottle was empty . . . . .

Halon does not cool off HOT parts.     But CO2 does, as do other chemicals.

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Re: What chemical in fire suppression systems?
« Reply #10 on: June 19, 2015, 12:05:50 PM »
I honestly wasn't aware CO2 was an option.  I have the perfect bottle of that attached to my shop fridge, and no one should need it while I'm gone racing, right???
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Re: What chemical in fire suppression systems?
« Reply #11 on: June 19, 2015, 01:02:01 PM »
CO2 is an option outside the drivers compartment
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Re: What chemical in fire suppression systems?
« Reply #12 on: June 23, 2015, 09:13:17 AM »
I guess we can run a dual system then.  Sounds like a feasible option, safety third as Mike Rowe would say? 
Thank you all for the input!!!
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Re: What chemical in fire suppression systems?
« Reply #13 on: May 11, 2016, 11:01:01 PM »
I just met with the safecraft people. (They are close by to my house and are very nice) I told him that I have a full interior car, with a surge tank and pumps in the hatch.

He suggested a single 10 lb bottle of their FE36 agent, with one nozzle in the back by the surge tank, one on the dash by the driver and then two nozzles in the engine bay...

All of which run by a pull lever.

What's everyone think?

Car is 2.5l  Subaru Sti hatchback, running a E-85 (or e-90 ignite), and I'm hoping to make 186 mph in the standing half mile and 205 in the standing Mile.

I'm not looking to be classed in anything. This is for self gratification. The car will the. Become my dedicated track day car.

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Re: What chemical in fire suppression systems?
« Reply #14 on: May 12, 2016, 11:16:54 AM »
A pull handle can be tough to find if all hell breaks loose, make sure you put them where you can find them, on fire, upside down in a panic with your gloves on is a whole different world.
This is why I prefer push type & I've been on fire twice.
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