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Offline tallguy

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Questions about salt depletion at Bonneville
« on: January 03, 2015, 03:04:12 AM »
I've been reading for many years about how the condition of the salt varies from
year to year.  I have even read that years ago, there were patches of dirt showing
on the racing surface at Bonneville.  I don't know whether the recent trend is toward
more salt being available, or less.  I am concerned about the present and future
condition of the Salt Flats.

Here are some specific questions.

Realistically/functionally, how much difference does it make whether there are (small)
patches of exposed dirt instead of salt on the track?  For example, at the 4-mile location?
Is hitting a patch of dirt likely to cause a spin?  Is dirt significantly slicker or softer than
salt, as far as a fast-moving vehicle is concerned?

I imagine that in the future, some racers might be wanting to have a more consistent
surface on which to do land speed racing.  So I'm trying to imagine a scenario that might
be possible.  Please comment, if you wish, on the following idea:

Bonneville . . . same location, but with salt having been collected and moved from areas
not raced on, to the racing lanes.  I imagine that by scraping it up and hauling it to the
racing lanes, that the lanes could be improved -- and possibly lengthened.  Where would be
any major problem with doing that?  Yes, the rains each year would tend to undo this effort,
but the racing could benefit.  It would require cubic bucks, of course.  That's a reality of
racing.

 


Offline Peter Jack

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Re: Questions about salt depletion at Bonneville
« Reply #1 on: January 03, 2015, 06:09:22 AM »
Search "Save the Salt", both on this site and by way of Google. Way more than what you're trying to imagine is happening every year.

Pete
« Last Edit: January 03, 2015, 06:11:03 AM by Peter Jack »

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Re: Questions about salt depletion at Bonneville
« Reply #2 on: January 03, 2015, 10:26:09 AM »
   I don't think that the problem is the patches of dirt showing. The dirt is actually patches of the gooiest mud that you've ever driven into. The water is just below the surface of the Salt.
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Re: Questions about salt depletion at Bonneville
« Reply #3 on: January 03, 2015, 10:39:33 AM »
I've been reading for many years about how the condition of the salt varies from
year to year.  I have even read that years ago, there were patches of dirt showing
on the racing surface at Bonneville.  I don't know whether the recent trend is toward
more salt being available, or less.  I am concerned about the present and future
condition of the Salt Flats.

Here are some specific questions.

Realistically/functionally, how much difference does it make whether there are (small)
patches of exposed dirt instead of salt on the track?  For example, at the 4-mile location?
Is hitting a patch of dirt likely to cause a spin?  Is dirt significantly slicker or softer than
salt, as far as a fast-moving vehicle is concerned?

I imagine that in the future, some racers might be wanting to have a more consistent
surface on which to do land speed racing.  So I'm trying to imagine a scenario that might
be possible.  Please comment, if you wish, on the following idea:

Bonneville . . . same location, but with salt having been collected and moved from areas
not raced on, to the racing lanes.  I imagine that by scraping it up and hauling it to the
racing lanes, that the lanes could be improved -- and possibly lengthened.  Where would be
any major problem with doing that?  Yes, the rains each year would tend to undo this effort,
but the racing could benefit.  It would require cubic bucks, of course.  That's a reality of
racing.

 


I would assume from that statement you have probably never actually been to the salt & obviously never raced on it. This sounds more like a fact finding mission for you than anything else.
  Sid.

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Re: Questions about salt depletion at Bonneville
« Reply #4 on: January 03, 2015, 03:12:15 PM »
Search "Save the Salt", both on this site and by way of Google. Way more than what you're trying to imagine is happening every year.

Pete

  Googled ''save the salt'' latest update... 3/09 Same at USFRA.

  know of any updates?

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Re: Questions about salt depletion at Bonneville
« Reply #5 on: January 03, 2015, 06:24:09 PM »
Ah, another forgotten website.  Who am I to stow thrones, though?  Our personal site is behind the current times, too.

But I know that StS has done some stuff in the past almost 6 years - some stuff worthy of putting on their site.
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Re: Questions about salt depletion at Bonneville
« Reply #6 on: January 03, 2015, 07:41:56 PM »
I see Ron Main out "selling" Save the Salt at different car events and he seems to raise a lot of interest which is awesome! I'm curious...do the casinos/hotels/motels who have no problem raping and pillaging during speed week help/contribute in keeping the salt good, so their BIGGEST yearly contributors HAVE a place to race?

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Re: Questions about salt depletion at Bonneville
« Reply #7 on: January 04, 2015, 12:52:41 AM »
To the OP, send your idea to the BLM and see what they say. I am willing to bet you will not be happy with the realities of LSR.

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Re: Questions about salt depletion at Bonneville
« Reply #8 on: January 04, 2015, 02:57:30 PM »
Let's see if I can post this from the seldom-seen 2014 SpeedWeek Program . . .
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Re: Questions about salt depletion at Bonneville
« Reply #9 on: January 05, 2015, 12:53:45 AM »
Thanks, Stan.  That was quite informative and encouraging.

I will contribute some $ to Save The Salt, and will also encourage
others (racers and fans).

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Re: Questions about salt depletion at Bonneville
« Reply #10 on: January 05, 2015, 01:20:57 AM »

  It might be worth a try, to have the Save The Salt trailer slowly cruise the spectator line along with the announcer

 explaining the salt depletion and asking for donations.

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Re: Questions about salt depletion at Bonneville
« Reply #11 on: January 18, 2015, 11:46:20 AM »
Tall Guy -

If you cut and paste this link into your browser line you may find it helpful in answering some of your questions:

http://www.landspeedproductions.biz/wp-content/uploads/FFT_Aug12.pdf

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Re: Questions about salt depletion at Bonneville
« Reply #12 on: January 20, 2015, 04:50:08 AM »
Louise, it was quite helpful and informative.  Many thanks.

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Re: Questions about salt depletion at Bonneville
« Reply #13 on: January 20, 2015, 05:21:51 AM »
I see Ron Main out "selling" Save the Salt at different car events and he seems to raise a lot of interest which is awesome! I'm curious...do the casinos/hotels/motels who have no problem raping and pillaging during speed week help/contribute in keeping the salt good, so their BIGGEST yearly contributors HAVE a place to race?

Good point Brad. I like your thinking. :wink:

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Re: Questions about salt depletion at Bonneville
« Reply #14 on: January 20, 2015, 02:50:39 PM »
The part that I don`t understand is how the BLM could have allowed the situation to occur. Isn`t that government land??  They seem to have turned a blind eye to a national treasure being under mined ( sorry...couldn`t resist slipping in a pun) JB
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