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Offline Speed Limit 1000

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Re: 4 Cylinder Experts Needed!
« Reply #15 on: June 10, 2014, 07:26:26 PM »
When you load the chamber you could visit Stainless :cheers:
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Re: 4 Cylinder Experts Needed!
« Reply #16 on: June 10, 2014, 08:05:09 PM »
Visiting Stainless is always high on my list!

Actually, when I head to Kansas next month, my plan was to see if he was around so that I could stop by.
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Re: 4 Cylinder Experts Needed!
« Reply #17 on: June 10, 2014, 09:39:28 PM »
Buddy, when is your planned trip? 
Hopefully you can stay for dinner, drinks and retire to the Bonneville Suite for the night. 
Linda and I would enjoy the visit.
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Re: 4 Cylinder Experts Needed!
« Reply #18 on: June 11, 2014, 08:11:27 PM »
Buddy, when is your planned trip? 
Hopefully you can stay for dinner, drinks and retire to the Bonneville Suite for the night. 
Linda and I would enjoy the visit.

Stainless, I appreciate the invite very much! I'm not sure of my schedule yet, but I'll call you a few days in advance of heading that way!
With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. However, this is not necessarily a good idea. It is hard to be sure where they are going to land, and it could be dangerous sitting under them as they fly overhead. -- RFC 1925

You can't make a race horse out of a pig. But if you work hard enough at it you can make a mighty fast pig. - Bob Akin

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Re: 4 Cylinder Experts Needed!
« Reply #19 on: June 12, 2014, 09:11:28 AM »
Buddy, Sumner is going to use an Atlas 4 banger in his lakester. You might talk to him about it. I just completed installing an Atlas Vortec 4200 in my old beater GMC, sure runs smooth.

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Re: 4 Cylinder Experts Needed!
« Reply #20 on: June 12, 2014, 11:23:48 AM »
Buddy, Sumner is going to use an Atlas 4 banger in his lakester. You might talk to him about it. I just completed installing an Atlas Vortec 4200 in my old beater GMC, sure runs smooth.

The 4 might be too large for his rules at 2800 and 2900 cc but these are good motors and more and more people are using them.  If you go to the 6 min. 30 sec. spot on the following link you will see one in an altered running low 9's at 140+ mph and it is naturally aspirated not blown....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xeo6fzQbKdc&feature=youtu.be&noredirect=1

The 6 cylinder version that Gary is using in his GMC...



... is the NHRA record holder right now.....



.....in its class running in the 7's again na.  Self Racing has build a number of the 6's for customers and a few 4's.  

John at Quad 4 Rods was making me a flywheel for the 4 but I talked to him the other day and he is revising it for the 6 so I'm backing out of the 4 and will probably run the 6 as an E motor or de-stroke it down to a F motor.  I'd still like to put the 4 in my pickup with a turbo on it.  I feel the 6 as an F motor has more potential than the 4 as an F motor with 2 more sets of great flowing ports and with the power over 6 sets of rods, pistons and crank throws it should be more reliable under huge boost.

Not sure about the rules Buddy is running under but one of the 2900's de-stroked down to the size needed to fit the rules would be a killer motor.  The intakes on these flow about 270 stock and about 330 with just a little work and some have them flowing over 400 with more work.

Too many projects so any of this could change for me  :-)

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Re: 4 Cylinder Experts Needed!
« Reply #21 on: June 30, 2014, 09:04:23 PM »
Gary, the max size  we can run is 2500cc. Still looking at options
With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. However, this is not necessarily a good idea. It is hard to be sure where they are going to land, and it could be dangerous sitting under them as they fly overhead. -- RFC 1925

You can't make a race horse out of a pig. But if you work hard enough at it you can make a mighty fast pig. - Bob Akin

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Re: 4 Cylinder Experts Needed!
« Reply #22 on: June 30, 2014, 11:31:35 PM »
Why yes, there are prostock Honda 4 bangers (F series). Google Bisimoto engineering and look for the Honda Insight they used to campaign.

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Re: 4 Cylinder Experts Needed!
« Reply #23 on: July 02, 2014, 02:16:47 PM »
The Subaru is a good engine, but one of the ports has a dog leg and is a pain to get the flow to work properly.

True, the Subaru EJ series have a slight dog leg on the rear exhaust ports, but I wouldn't let that alone stop me from using one. The subaru bottom ends are very stout and can handle lots of RPM and boost. The packaging for the width of the engine could be a challenge though. The 2.2l turbo blocks had closed decks, oil squirters, forged cranks, and oil coolers stock.

I would start with a Honda 1.8-2.0. The packaging should be much easier and there is a TON of aftermarket support for these engines. As far as I know, the blocks need to have a plate welded into the deck to keep the head gaskets in place.

The Eco-tec is supposedly a monster with the right setup and it is based on the High-revving Quad 4 of the 90's.

We cannot overlook the bullet proof Toyota 22r. I have seen these things WOT running high boost in the desert for days.

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Re: 4 Cylinder Experts Needed!
« Reply #24 on: July 06, 2014, 05:05:59 PM »
I also vote for the 22R or the Subie. I got to drive/flog an STI this spring and it was phenomenal! I can not imagine what a hot rodded one feels like!

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Re: 4 Cylinder Experts Needed!
« Reply #25 on: July 06, 2014, 08:26:45 PM »
Just my 2 cents......how about a Pinto 2.3 single overhead cam engine....there are tons of these engines already in the score off road series and the midget sprint car series...I believe a Esslinger engine won the Chili Bowl the last 2 or 3 years....correct me if I'm wrong....One name comes to mind is Bruce Nogrady....I think thats how to spell his name...I think he is from southern california and although I have never had any work done by him... I believe he is " the man " when building a Pinto engine.... Hope this helps ....Paul...
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« Reply #26 on: July 08, 2014, 05:44:57 PM »
FYI the F series from the S2000 spins clockwise while the F series from the accords and preludes spin counter clockwise. I have a turbo F22A6 (spins ccw) in an accord and I'll definitely second needing sleeves and a deck plate to make any serious HP and keep a head gasket.

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Re: 4 Cylinder Experts Needed!
« Reply #27 on: July 26, 2014, 02:55:39 PM »
Thanks everyone!

I've settled on the Honda F22C1, out of a 2004-2009 S2000, and a HP goal of 400.

Soooo, if you know any tricks, or have any trick parts for sale, please send me a message!
With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. However, this is not necessarily a good idea. It is hard to be sure where they are going to land, and it could be dangerous sitting under them as they fly overhead. -- RFC 1925

You can't make a race horse out of a pig. But if you work hard enough at it you can make a mighty fast pig. - Bob Akin

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Re: 4 Cylinder Experts Needed!
« Reply #28 on: July 26, 2014, 03:21:38 PM »
Thanks everyone!

I've settled on the Honda F22C1, out of a 2004-2009 S2000, and a HP goal of 400.

Soooo, if you know any tricks, or have any trick parts for sale, please send me a message!

I think that's an excellent choice.  Properly prepped, they're bullet proof, they wind all day, you have good parts availability and you have aftermarket support.

If you put the time, patience and sweat into this one that you did into the FlatCad, you will have built yourself a world class 2 liter race engine.

I'm going into DOHC territory myself with the MG/Rover K series.  We'll compare notes as they both progress.

Cheers, Buddy!  See you in 2 weeks!  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:

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Re: 4 Cylinder Experts Needed!
« Reply #29 on: July 26, 2014, 04:03:11 PM »
I heard "Eslinger" is going to be out to SW this year. :roll:
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