Altered Class with Pre 82 bodies

[xxobuick]

I have been reading the rule book pretty carefully, to see which class we can possibly make a class change into this year at speedweek.  It appears on the Competition coupe, Gas Coupe and and altered coupe the only class you can run a Vintage body, or a Pre 82 body is Competition coupe.  Is this true?

I see there are records in the book by people I know have a pre 82 body in altered and in gas coupe.  Now I am not talking Vintage coupe classes.


Can someone please enlighten me on what I am missing here?

[FBR81]

I would like to know also. Just got my first rule book, 2014. And I notice in the Gas Coupe section 5.D.3, a picture is shown of a mid 60's bacacuda?

[dw230]

The #6969 Gas Coupe you are looking at happens to house a twin turbo, late model Hemi with EFI. This combination makes the car not legal for Classic Category.

DW

[dw230]

To the OP. You are running a vintage engine in a vintage body. According to rule 1.B, 1st paragraph,(this is known as the lowest primary class rule) you must compete in the lowest Category/Class in which your vehicle fits. There are Comp Coupe classes in the Vintage Category, there are NO Comp Coupe classes in the Classic Category.

DW

[xxobuick]

We are looking at un bolting our fenders off of our coupe and lengthening the nose, blocking off the radiator, removing headlights, bumpers, etc.  So this will bring us into competition coupe, and we would want to be able to run GCC/XX and VGCC/XX 

We were also contemplating not doing such extravagant changes, such as not lengthening the nose etc to stay in altered, but It looks like a pre 82 body cannot run in an altered class?

[38flattie]

We are looking at un bolting our fenders off of our coupe and lengthening the nose, blocking off the radiator, removing headlights, bumpers, etc.  So this will bring us into competition coupe, and we would want to be able to run GCC/XX and VGCC/XX 

We were also contemplating not doing such extravagant changes, such as not lengthening the nose etc to stay in altered, but It looks like a pre 82 body cannot run in an altered class?

The jump between XXO/VGCC and /GCC, is easy-add engine management, and you are no longer qualified for vintage, and it moves you to /GCC.

Same for altered, except you have to put your front fenders and stuff back on, along with the engine management.

This is not my opinion-this was a committee ruling, signed by Bobby Sykes.

[xxobuick]

We are looking at un bolting our fenders off of our coupe and lengthening the nose, blocking off the radiator, removing headlights, bumpers, etc.  So this will bring us into competition coupe, and we would want to be able to run GCC/XX and VGCC/XX 

We were also contemplating not doing such extravagant changes, such as not lengthening the nose etc to stay in altered, but It looks like a pre 82 body cannot run in an altered class?

The jump between XXO/VGCC and /GCC, is easy-add engine management, and you are no longer qualified for vintage, and it moves you to /GCC.

Same for altered, except you have to put your front fenders and stuff back on, along with the engine management.


This is not my opinion-this was a committee ruling, signed by Bobby Sykes.

How did you get into altered 38flattie with a pre 82 body?

[xxobuick]

So If you have a vintage coupe that is built for Competition Coupe Classes.  Can I just pick if I want GCC or VGCC?  IS there a rule that states you have to go into one or the other?

[38flattie]

We are looking at un bolting our fenders off of our coupe and lengthening the nose, blocking off the radiator, removing headlights, bumpers, etc.  So this will bring us into competition coupe, and we would want to be able to run GCC/XX and VGCC/XX 

We were also contemplating not doing such extravagant changes, such as not lengthening the nose etc to stay in altered, but It looks like a pre 82 body cannot run in an altered class?

The jump between XXO/VGCC and /GCC, is easy-add engine management, and you are no longer qualified for vintage, and it moves you to /GCC.

Same for altered, except you have to put your front fenders and stuff back on, along with the engine management.


This is not my opinion-this was a committee ruling, signed by Bobby Sykes.

How did you get into altered 38flattie with a pre 82 body?

I added engine management, which DQ's the car for vintage, and moved it to modified altered.

[38flattie]

So If you have a vintage coupe that is built for Competition Coupe Classes.  Can I just pick if I want GCC or VGCC?  IS there a rule that states you have to go into one or the other?

As Dan pointed out, you have to run in the lowest class you qualify for-Therefore, if you have an ignition that qualifies for vintage, you'll have to run vintage.

Again, though, if you add engine management, you won't qualify for vintage, so you will move to /GCC.

[4-barrel Mike]

This is something that has bugged me for years, but the rules clearly state:

"5.D.2.  ALTERED COUPE..This class encompasses American and foreign coupe and sedan bodies 1982 to current year..."

"5.D.3. GAS COUPE...This class encompasses American and foreign coupe, sedan, and convertible bodies 1982 to current year..."

I don't see how an earlier car can compete.

Mike

[xxobuick]

So just run a ignition system that changes advance with engine inputs for GCC and run a non programmable ignition system for VGCC.  Something along those lines?


I just see in the rules in the first paragraph that it says pre 82 bodies for gas coupe and altered.  So is kinda confusing like you cannot even run a vintage car in those classes.

[xxobuick]

So just run a ignition system that changes advance with engine inputs for GCC and run a non programmable ignition system for VGCC.  Something along those lines?


I just see in the rules in the first paragraph that it says pre 82 bodies for gas coupe and altered.  So is kinda confusing like you cannot even run a vintage car in those classes.

At least Im not the only one that reads it this way

[xxobuick]

So Now I am really confused.

Rules state no turbo's, no EFI, etc with vintage engines in vintage bodies. 

So, does that rule really mean, no turbo's, no EFI  in vintage body CLASSES??? 

So you can take a 37 chevrolet coupe, with a GMC engine, in XX0 or X0 class, run electronic fuel injection and turbos and run it in BGC?  or BGCC?

[38flattie]

This is something that has bugged me for years, but the rules clearly state:

"5.D.2.  ALTERED COUPE..This class encompasses American and foreign coupe and sedan bodies 1982 to current year..."

"5.D.3. GAS COUPE...This class encompasses American and foreign coupe, sedan, and convertible bodies 1982 to current year..."

I don't see how an earlier car can compete.

Mike

Read further, Mike. In "5.D.2.. it also says "Pre-1949 bodies may be chopped" and " Coupes and sedans produced from 1949 to the current model year, not meeting the criteria of the Classic Category, shall compete in the Modified Category classes.

As there is no XXO in Classic, you move to Modified.