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Offline tauruck

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Re: Rule changes for 2014
« Reply #30 on: November 25, 2013, 03:25:13 AM »
Well put Michael. Maybe the wording should have read either or.









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Re: Rule changes for 2014
« Reply #31 on: November 25, 2013, 10:39:20 AM »
Its 'or', accepted helmets will meet one spec or the other. Looks like our highly paid proof reader missed one.

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Re: Rule changes for 2014
« Reply #32 on: November 25, 2013, 10:54:32 AM »
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Re: Rule changes for 2014
« Reply #33 on: November 25, 2013, 12:59:24 PM »
atrocity...with what their getting paid ... f'in inexcusable..
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Re: Rule changes for 2014
« Reply #34 on: November 25, 2013, 02:09:10 PM »
Kudos to all who allowed this decision re helmets to be made.... :-D....a wise decision
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Re: Rule changes for 2014
« Reply #35 on: November 25, 2013, 02:46:54 PM »
Its 'or', accepted helmets will meet one spec or the other. Looks like our highly paid proof reader missed one.

DW

I figured the hundred or so proof readers out here is why you posted before the final goes to the printer...  :-D
Yes we are paying attention.... so you can change it back to or...  :cheers:
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Re: Rule changes for 2014
« Reply #36 on: November 25, 2013, 03:27:55 PM »
That way there'd be three ors in the one sentence, giving you lots more alternatives.

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Re: Rule changes for 2014
« Reply #37 on: November 25, 2013, 03:45:49 PM »
Sumner, turbos / centrifugals will almost always be a better choice for blown gas and I don't think the blown fuel guys care.....
 

Yea, but the turbo's are not legal in vintage, and the centrifugal is not nearly as traditional as a roots blower!

Well,  I was going to stay out of the hood scoop discussion, but  can’t!

With all respect to the author of the new rule, it was written in response to a proposal I made, because the author  feels that we should not be able to gain an aero advantage off of a hood scoop.

Sooo, let me see if I get this straight!

If I run an unblown car, I can have an 11” tall hood scoop.
If I run a turbo, or centrifugal blower, I can have an 11” hood scoop.
…BUT, if I run a roots blower, and my injector hat is 1” above the hood, I can only have a 3” hood scoop? REALLY?

Dan, you stated “why does a front engine, top mount blower with a bug catcher need a scoop? You are bringing your own air with you, ” and that’s true, but I also have more drag because of it. Also, I get ’cleaner’ air by grabbing the air out in front of the car. So, because I run a more ‘traditional’ style blower, I’m to be penalized by being allowed less streamlining than a NA or turbo’d car?

The whole argument that “The rule is aimed at those coupes and sedans that push the scoop rules beyond intent and make an aero device, which serves no purpose to the intake system, that streamlines the vehicle over and above the hood, to the windshield and over the roof of the car. “, seems contradictory to what we are doing. We allow some cars the aero advantage, and not others, yet are we not striving to find better ways, to go fast safer?

IMHO, this rule needs to be looked at again!

So, are hood scoops legal in altered class? :evil:

The cowl rule also has me a little concerned also. Last year, we were told that the cowl point that the streamlining was allowed to was the base of the windshield. The new rule leaves me wondering:
4.MM COWL:
added new definition

The cowl area is defined as the portion of the body bounded by the front fenders, the base of the windshield and the
rear edge of the hood as measured at the centerline of the vehicle.


The hood scoop rule says we can go to the back of the blower, which on my car, is behind the back edge of the hood.  Cowl rule indicated the cowl is between the windshield and rear edge of the hood.

So, at what exact point does the streamlining stop?

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Re: Rule changes for 2014
« Reply #38 on: November 25, 2013, 06:27:00 PM »
Its 'or', accepted helmets will meet one spec or the other. Looks like our highly paid proof reader missed one.

DW

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Re: Rule changes for 2014
« Reply #39 on: November 25, 2013, 07:11:23 PM »
Its 'or', accepted helmets will meet one spec or the other. Looks like our highly paid proof reader missed one.

DW

Flog that guy! :-D

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Re: Rule changes for 2014
« Reply #40 on: November 25, 2013, 09:51:40 PM »
Just curious

At what point in time did the personal injury attorney review the rules? Or a serious car builder?

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Re: Rule changes for 2014
« Reply #41 on: November 25, 2013, 10:37:29 PM »

7.G.10
OPEN CLASS - SPECIAL CONSTRUCTION - A

The sides of the fender may fair into the fork tubes or tire, but shall not be over 2 inches wider overall than these parts.
The rear fender shall not extend beyond the back of the rear tire.

If a seat, tail section or fender is used, it must not extend more than 3 inches past the rear of the rear tire or cover any of the wheel when viewed from the side.

Then it says,

No part of the tail section shall be lower than the top of the rear rim, or over 36 inches from the ground, with the rider seated on the bike.

Does this mean the Tire/Tyre can be covered when the Rider is seated on the Bike. Then if  the Bike is sitting without a Rider the whole of the Rear wheel must be visible?

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« Reply #42 on: November 26, 2013, 01:15:17 AM »
Yes you can cover the Tire but the rim must be visible... The rules say wheel and rim... The rim is part of the wheel where the Tire mounts... So as long as the wheel/rim is visible the Tire can be covered is how I read it....

If you go to a bike shop or hotrod Shop alike and buy a new wheel or rim chances are you have to buy a tire to mount on it.... Changing a rim is much different than a tire according to my service manuals

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« Reply #43 on: November 26, 2013, 02:31:35 AM »
Yes you can cover the Tire but the rim must be visible... The rules say wheel and rim... The rim is part of the wheel where the Tire mounts... So as long as the wheel/rim is visible the Tire can be covered is how I read it....

If you go to a bike shop or hotrod Shop alike and buy a new wheel or rim chances are you have to buy a tire to mount on it.... Changing a rim is much different than a tire according to my service manuals

My interpretation has always been that a Tire/Tyre + a Rim makes up a Wheel.

That is why I posted it, it is unclear and open to interpretation.

If a Wheel and a Rim are the same thing, under the Rules, and it is referred to as a Wheel everywhere else in the Rules, then simply call it that. Maybe the wording could be written as "7.B.10 Wheel/Rim"?

I don't care one way or another what the Tail Section Rules are, I just like to see the Rules written in a consistent, clear and simple way, it helps all of us, Officials and Competitors alike.

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Re: Rule changes for 2014
« Reply #44 on: November 26, 2013, 06:59:28 AM »
So, at what exact point does the streamlining stop?

LOL  Buddy on a lakester it has to stop at the inner plane of the narrowest tire!   :-D

It would appear that you should have submitted your "Buddy's hood scoop rule" to read:

  :evil:  We in the SCTA love the look of traditional blowers and we want to see them, rather than see you go fast with them by hiding them from us!   :roll: YMMV
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