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Offline tallguy

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Overalll "gearing" for best "timed mile" average speed
« on: October 20, 2013, 06:25:09 PM »
This is a question applicable to all landspeed competition vehicles.

I realize that a vehicle can be "geared" to reach its top speed (say, 200 mph)
at the end of the measured mile.  But that means that the vehicle is accelerating
through the measured mile, and its "average speed" during this time may be
something like 190 mph.

But if the "gearing" was lower, such that the highest achievable speed
(say, when the valves are floating) is 195 mph, perhaps that speed could
be reached by the beginning of the measured mile, resulting in a measured
"average speed" of 195 mph.

Is there a good rule-of-thumb that would suggest how a vehicle's overall
"gearing" should be setup?  I have a feeling that each case is different,
and perhaps calculus could theoretically help figure it out for a given
vehicle.  It's been decades since I learned and forgot calculus.

I appreciate all the cumulative decades of experience that land speed
racers have, and welcome any replies to this.  Thanks.

tallguy

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Re: Overalll "gearing" for best "timed mile" average speed
« Reply #1 on: October 20, 2013, 08:19:14 PM »
You'll need to be able to plot a curve of drag, which will then give you an idea of the available force you have to accelerate with. Overlaid on this is the available transmission, be it two, three four five six....or even eight speed.

In order to plot that drag curve you will need to have a Cd figure for your vehicle , people will tell you that it can be calculated.

to quote a recently passed and much missed member of this board :

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"Good theoretical designs produce only theoretical results."
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So, the variables in your question provide the perfect answer to why there are cumulative decades of experience in this game, calculus won't drive or design your car , it might give you theoretical answers but the real answers are on the salt......

Read the rule book so you can run. Build what you can afford to finish and when you've seen what you're up against and have even a little bit of raw data it is much easier to lie awake at nght and have a realistic idea of how fast you can hope to go.

I wasn't tryoing to be smart, and I was definitely trying not to be rude , just adding a comment from what my experience has been. You can calculate all you like but once you're running a lot changes.....sometimes for the better :-o :cheers:
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Re: Overalll "gearing" for best "timed mile" average speed
« Reply #2 on: October 20, 2013, 10:51:58 PM »
  We use Bonneville Pro, find at www.QuarterJR .com

  Amazingly close, we have used it for over 20 yrs inputs for CD- frontal area- hp-tire size-gearing and more. Enter data
and computer shows speeds and rpm at several different revs and ft traveled.
  Will show if over geared or under geared. If not enough rpm just change input gearing to lower gear. cool :-D

  I tested this program when 1st bought by entering data from the Goldenrod [ have book with specs] and it was right on.

  You can also work backward from a run to figure CD. hp ect.

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Re: Overalll "gearing" for best "timed mile" average speed
« Reply #3 on: October 20, 2013, 11:35:10 PM »
The book "The Racing Motorcycle, Volume 1" by John Bradley ISBN 0 9512929 1 9 will explain the theory and process.  It is the same for cars.

The best speeds I get are when the engine is a bit past peak horsepower rpm at the end of the mile and it is climbing over the horsepower peak through the mile. 

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Re: Overalll "gearing" for best "timed mile" average speed
« Reply #4 on: October 20, 2013, 11:54:46 PM »
We gear to reach the desired record speed entering the mile but not the top speed until we exit.  Control is better if you are accelerating slightly all the time. 
If you hit the rev limiter or float the valves, you will slow down.
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Re: Overalll "gearing" for best "timed mile" average speed
« Reply #5 on: October 21, 2013, 11:14:00 AM »
I think it was Jack D that said "add gear til you slow down, then add horsepower".
Miss his comments RIP Jack.

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Re: Overalll "gearing" for best "timed mile" average speed
« Reply #6 on: October 21, 2013, 04:42:01 PM »
I think it was Jack D that said "add gear til you slow down, then add horsepower".
Miss his comments RIP Jack.

Ron

and "if the tires slip, add weight... if they don't add horsepower"
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Re: Overalll "gearing" for best "timed mile" average speed
« Reply #7 on: October 21, 2013, 06:06:04 PM »
I cannot speak for aero privileged cars but if you are choosing a roadster and want to go 200 mph I would advise you to enter the timed mile at 195 and come out at 205 or you will be in for the ride of your life. Flat grilled cars need to be under continuing acceleration and do not like a continuous constant speed... Good luck
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Re: Overalll "gearing" for best "timed mile" average speed
« Reply #8 on: October 21, 2013, 09:05:59 PM »
Jimmy, i noticed this, too, on my bike.  It tracks better when it is geared down so it is accelerating through the mile.  Why does this happen?