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Offline desotoman

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Re: Springfield Flyer.
« Reply #3225 on: September 26, 2018, 01:45:04 PM »
No help on cam choice but I do have a question for you on the 351 ford block?

If you are running a stock 351 Cleveland block, Ford's oiling passages on those particular blocks was terrible for over 6500 RPM. So there are many modifications that need to be done to make everything live at 8000 RPM. There are many books out there that outline what needs to be done.

A friend who runs one of these motors at the drags did all of the modifications the books say and it still blew up at 7200 rpm.  He finally went with a new aftermarket block that has oiling based on the Windsor and has not had any trouble since.

Just a heads up which I am sure you already know.

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Re: Springfield Flyer.
« Reply #3226 on: September 26, 2018, 02:40:32 PM »
Spicer has a lot of calculators for about every thing, speed, RPM, tire size, gear ratio, etc.

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Re: Springfield Flyer.
« Reply #3227 on: September 26, 2018, 02:53:02 PM »
8,366 RPM :cheers:
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Re: Springfield Flyer.
« Reply #3228 on: September 26, 2018, 05:57:17 PM »
No help on cam choice but I do have a question for you on the 351 ford block?

If you are running a stock 351 Cleveland block, Ford's oiling passages on those particular blocks was terrible for over 6500 RPM. So there are many modifications that need to be done to make everything live at 8000 RPM. There are many books out there that outline what needs to be done.

A friend who runs one of these motors at the drags did all of the modifications the books say and it still blew up at 7200 rpm.  He finally went with a new aftermarket block that has oiling based on the Windsor and has not had any trouble since.

Just a heads up which I am sure you already know.

Tom G.

Tom we never got the Ford American thin wall castings here in South Africa. Ours are the heavy duty Australian version. We'll be busy on the oiling when the time comes and I have those publications. The Arrow block from Australia was an option (and might still be) but the manufacturer took so long our exchange rate tanked before he could supply. That block will cost 5 times the original price right now. Jack Roush must have had some trick stuff back in the day. 11,000 RPM. Thanks for the advice Tom. It is appreciated. God Bless.

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Re: Springfield Flyer.
« Reply #3229 on: September 26, 2018, 05:58:49 PM »
8,366 RPM :cheers:

Spot on Jerry. Tom said the same. :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
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Re: Springfield Flyer.
« Reply #3230 on: September 27, 2018, 04:09:14 PM »
Is water jet cutting a crank trigger pulley a viable option?.
I have a drawing. Parts like this are tough to find for a Cleveland motor.

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Re: Springfield Flyer.
« Reply #3231 on: September 27, 2018, 05:25:54 PM »
Sure. More issue is mounting, diameter etc. 36tooth or in that case 36-1 are common. Depends on what your ECU wants for trigger and the sensor. MSD for instance uses a wheel with magnets. So the wheel can be aluminum. Others (mine) uses a Hall sensor and iron wheel. Whatever your ECU system wants to give crank position and then cam position or not and are you using multiple coils, etc etc. There are several places to get such things and you modify but if you can get one cut, that's great.
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Re: Springfield Flyer.
« Reply #3232 on: September 28, 2018, 01:29:24 PM »
For instance:  https://www.ebay.com/itm/Small-Block-Ford-36-1-crank-trigger-wheel-5-0-302-5-8-351w-EDIS-SBF-/183454020192

Of course don't know about shipping or duties etc. So if you can get it done locally looks good. Add some mounting holes.
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Re: Springfield Flyer.
« Reply #3233 on: September 28, 2018, 03:44:16 PM »
Thanks so much. I'll measure my damper OD in the AM.
My knowledge is limited but doesn't the trigger wheel need to have
a larger OD?. Some small block Ford stuff doesn't relate to the Cleveland either.
I'll check but thanks for wanting to help. :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

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Re: Springfield Flyer.
« Reply #3234 on: September 28, 2018, 04:16:41 PM »
Here is what one guy did. Go down to post 11 and he will explain.

Hope this helps some.

Tom G.

https://www.fordmuscleforums.com/makin-progress/506437-some-random-details-351c-ranger.html
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Re: Springfield Flyer.
« Reply #3235 on: September 29, 2018, 08:00:23 AM »
Mike- the diameter is only important with respect to where you mount it (clearance to other parts) and the needed resolution between teeth that your ECU needs. Plus where/how you mount the sensor. A 3" wheel with no place to put the sensor makes no sense and a 12" wheel similarly. 3" or 4" minimum I have seen, most are 6" to 7". And anywhere up to 60-2 teeth (most I have seen and used, may be more in some applications). And a crank trigger doesn't care what engine it is on. I use a modified SBC wheel with 2 teeth on my 4 cyl. You program the ECU to do what you need firing order wise. The wheels are pretty much universal but of course the mounting bolts you use to put it on your damper or pulley or whatever may need customizing. Or am I totally off base and you are just using a crank trigger for a distributor and some ignition box, no EFI etc. But still, pretty universal and exact diameter dimensions not critical, just the tooth size and count.
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Re: Springfield Flyer.
« Reply #3236 on: September 29, 2018, 10:23:52 AM »
Mike
FWIW I'm old and trying to learn this stuff. That being said, from what I read (I don't have mine installed yet) you have to have the missing tooth properly located in relation to TDC and the pickup mount. This determines where the mounting holes go if bolting to the damper.

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Re: Springfield Flyer.
« Reply #3237 on: September 30, 2018, 08:14:37 AM »
    Mike, If you think it's tough finding Ford 351 stuff on the shelf, try to find stuff for a 1947 Buick straight 8.
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Re: Springfield Flyer.
« Reply #3238 on: October 01, 2018, 12:14:58 PM »
Doug, I can imagine. :roll: :roll: :roll:

Note to self. When downloading PDFs keep them in the relevant folders.
Had the correct drawing for the crank trigger wheel and it's proving to be elusive.
Part of the learning process I guess. :evil:

Jacksoni, thanks for showing so much interest in wanting to assist. Really appreciate it.
Desotoman and Ron the same. God Bless you guys.

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Re: Springfield Flyer.
« Reply #3239 on: October 03, 2018, 02:02:27 AM »
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