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Offline fredvance

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Re: A class issues
« Reply #15 on: September 14, 2013, 12:28:09 PM »
I have not participated in The Bub meet because they have a long history of stuff like this.
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Re: A class issues
« Reply #16 on: September 14, 2013, 01:01:33 PM »
Unfortunately you are not the first person i have heard say something similar to that Fred.  It is sad as the Bubs event is so close to being  almost perfect but about every 2 years something like this seems to happen which leaves a really bad tastes in some folks mouth.  It happened to us in 2008 when they were saying stock seats, fenders  and tail sections were streamlining. Everybody was running without a front fender and sitting on their frames just to be legal.

I hope that Bubs and the AMA can fix this quickly and incidents like this stop happening.  If not I think they could be in some serious trouble as participants will stop attending for future events.
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Re: A class issues
« Reply #17 on: September 14, 2013, 01:05:14 PM »
plenty will go...

record book/keeping many decades newer than the SCTA, with advent of BUB and
new FIM classifications beginning with it....and AMA relatively defunct for decades until
advent of BUB....

so two sanctioing bodies worth of "record" opportunities...:)...

many more open classes...

many more chances for "world" records......

also offers "trike" classes in addition to Side Car classes...etc.....
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Re: A class issues
« Reply #18 on: September 14, 2013, 01:23:03 PM »
please do not get me started about the "trike" classes!! 
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Re: A class issues
« Reply #19 on: September 14, 2013, 07:05:11 PM »
Quote from: fredvance on September 14, 2013, 12:28:09 PM
I have not participated in The Bub meet because they have a long history of stuff like this.

Things like this is why I will never go back.
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Re: A class issues
« Reply #20 on: September 14, 2013, 11:09:54 PM »
Gee......


Where's bak189 when you need him.     :evil:
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Re: A class issues
« Reply #21 on: September 15, 2013, 01:10:42 AM »
It looks like the inspector makes the call on what is "purpose built."  That is pretty wide open and it is not an acceptable practice from this racer's view.  This all tells me I need to pay attention to fitness and cardiac health so I can continue to pass the physicals and run in FIM. 
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Re: A class issues
« Reply #22 on: September 17, 2013, 01:38:35 PM »
I wonder if some chassis builder suggested this interpretation?   :-D If you have a modified Hayabusa/ZX14/BMW, etc., it would seem like replacing the frame with something with "less" engineering would be kinda foolish.  I don't think I have the skill set to out engineer Suzuki, or any other manufacturer.  I guess if stock frames are the issue then all you would have to do is swap your Kawasaki motor into a Suzuki chassis!  I also agree with an earlier comment about what has to be modified, are they going to require homemade forks and home built shocks next? 
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Offline Dean Los Angeles

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Re: A class issues
« Reply #23 on: September 17, 2013, 02:23:57 PM »
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about what has to be modified

If you are going to modify, then run in the modified class. Makes sense doesn't it? "Purpose built" means not by a factory.

It's amazing to me the amount of custom, one-off cars that are running, yet that rarely happens with motorcycles.
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Re: A class issues
« Reply #24 on: September 17, 2013, 04:15:45 PM »
Myself, I decided in 2014 to build an AAF bike which to me is special construction. I am building my own frame, lacing my own wheels, welding every joint and bracket. To me that means special construction, unlike slapping a giant swing arm on a modified metric or otherwise frame. I'm a purist at heart and want to do a ground up build, besides I want to slipstream the air as much as possible ,so doing my own thing gives me the ability to do so. Sorry if I offended anyone, just my take on things.
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Offline Jon

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Re: A class issues
« Reply #25 on: September 17, 2013, 06:01:07 PM »
Where is the line in the rule book that says it "must" be a scratch built frame.
Can't find it.

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Re: A class issues
« Reply #26 on: September 17, 2013, 07:07:08 PM »
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CHAPTER 7
SPECIAL CONSTRUCTION (A) CLASS
This class is for purpose built motorcycles.
Special construction class is unlimited in design
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purpose
verb:
    have as one's intention or objective.
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special
adjective: special
    better, greater, or otherwise different from what is usual.
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Re: A class issues
« Reply #27 on: September 17, 2013, 07:22:50 PM »
But one could also take unlimited to mean that you do not HAVE to change the frame could one not?
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Re: A class issues
« Reply #28 on: September 17, 2013, 08:54:35 PM »
I think we are getting to the point of DEMANDING a clear interpretation from the rules committee. Just some more examples........we have mixed motor to frame builds that compete in M-Class as long as the motor and frame are from the same brand....HUH? But I think I got this right...........when the motor is installed in a frame from another brand......its A-Class.

To keep it simple............I suggest if the bike does not qualify for M..........it is an A. It may not be as competitive as someone else's entry, but at least the rider/owner can have some fun.........AND THE TECH-people would have a much better day.
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Re: A class issues
« Reply #29 on: September 18, 2013, 04:30:39 AM »
Quote from: Dean Los Angeles on September 17, 2013, 07:07:08 PM
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CHAPTER 7
SPECIAL CONSTRUCTION (A) CLASS
This class is for purpose built motorcycles.
Special construction class is unlimited in design
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purpose
verb:
    have as one's intention or objective.
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special
adjective: special
    better, greater, or otherwise different from what is usual.

If that is in response to my question you may want to keep looking.
There is nothing there that says you need a scratch built frame.

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