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Offline entropy

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4 wheels: twice the fun as 2 wheels???
« on: August 02, 2013, 05:51:13 PM »
I figure that since motorcycle LSR was so much fun, a lil 1.5-2.0L lakester would be even "funner".

I will be at Speedweek to clutter up the pits of Ryan Ostergard & Jennifer Robertson (Rye-rye now owns my former bike, "Rustbucket" MPS/F 1650 2012 record).
However, my partner Don and I are also keenly interested in meeting folks who want to gab about (or even sell) a lil turbo Lakester.

Any tips or introductions would be much appreciated!!! :cheers:

Karl Gunter
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Re: 4 wheels: twice the fun as 2 wheels???
« Reply #1 on: August 02, 2013, 08:04:56 PM »
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Re: 4 wheels: twice the fun as 2 wheels???
« Reply #2 on: August 02, 2013, 08:28:00 PM »
Book 2. Chapter 1. August, 2013.

And so it began that Don Karleone began a new quest...

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Re: 4 wheels: twice the fun as 2 wheels???
« Reply #3 on: August 02, 2013, 09:29:27 PM »
Be in the pits on Friday & you'll likely find all the "gab" you can handle.
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Re: 4 wheels: twice the fun as 2 wheels???
« Reply #4 on: August 02, 2013, 10:20:04 PM »
Better find one that fits a busa motor Karl
at least you will have interchangability on existing parts and experiance

Good luck hope you find exactly what your after

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Re: 4 wheels: twice the fun as 2 wheels???
« Reply #5 on: August 02, 2013, 11:45:09 PM »
What would be really cool is build one from scratch and put in one of those Mini V 8's

The name escapes me now but a shop the the N.E. makes his own bottom ends and puts on Busa banks for a little hi RPM V 8

That would make a great lower class motor for your lakester and would it ever sound good too

Have Fun

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Re: 4 wheels: twice the fun as 2 wheels???
« Reply #6 on: August 03, 2013, 12:04:24 AM »
Karl, stop by the 1411 car at SW, or just come to WoS to see the Bockscar...

2 hiding in 4 is what we've done for the last 28 or 29 years... too old to do the math at this time of night  :roll:
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Re: 4 wheels: twice the fun as 2 wheels???
« Reply #7 on: August 03, 2013, 06:07:55 AM »
Guys,
Thanks for the thoughts.

This Project was recently proposed by my Houston pal, Don Davila, and it immediately rang my bell.
Wifey is now "trauma-center adverse", but she 100% onboard, especially since we are aiming at Bonneville.

Although i have had pretty good success with Busa-based 1635 (Thanks to Bob Carpenter!!!!), i'd prefer to learn a new engine.
Perhaps a 2.0L Ecotec?

Yes indeed, Bob Hartley builds Busa-based v-8's (2.6L+) in Wisconsin.  
A couple years ago, we were in contact about my urgent need for custom intake stacks. Experiment = OS TB's on 1635.
On a Sat he asked when i needed them, and i joked "Mon".
He went into his shop on Sun, i had a set of one-off stacks on Tues morning.

Bob is a purely awesome guy, and that motor series is a marvel!!!!!
His v-8's do sound GREAT, but I'd like to play with a moderate boost turbo.

Stainless,
Don & I WILL stop by the 1411 car at SW, and i also plan on touristing WOS.
If my wife Helena is with me, please drop one digit from the cost of anything.
me:  "Wow, that cylinder head is beautiful!"
you: "well, at $425 it should be"!  (important to keep a straight face)

Karl
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Re: 4 wheels: twice the fun as 2 wheels???
« Reply #8 on: August 03, 2013, 08:29:41 AM »

Yes indeed, Bob Hartley builds Busa-based v-8's (2.6L+) in Wisconsin.  
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Bob is a purely awesome guy, and that motor series is a marvel!!!!!
His v-8's do sound GREAT, but I'd like to play with a moderate boost turbo.

Stainless,
Don & I WILL stop by the 1411 car at SW, and i also plan on touristing WOS.
If my wife Helena is with me, please drop one digit from the cost of anything.
me:  "Wow, that cylinder head is beautiful!"
you: "well, at $425 it should be"!  (important to keep a straight face)

Karl

Karl, now that's funny.  :-D
I have emailed John Hartley about his V8... It would be a great motor if you won the lottery  :cheers:
See you on the salt  8-)
Stainless
Red Hat 228.039, 2001, 65ci, Bockscar Lakester #1000 with a little N2O

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Re: 4 wheels: twice the fun as 2 wheels???
« Reply #9 on: August 04, 2013, 12:49:58 PM »
Book 2. Chapter 1. August, 2013.

And so it began that Don Karleone began a new quest...


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Re: 4 wheels: twice the fun as 2 wheels???
« Reply #10 on: August 05, 2013, 12:15:55 AM »
Check out the Kawasaki 275LX (or whatever those are called).  Big strong bottom end, in a marine block with ZX type head.  Comes with fuel injection and a supercharger.  It is already a 1500 and room for more.

I met one of the endurance race guys who told me they block the supercharger relief valve, put in Subaru fuel injectors, and tweak the timing.  He said they make 400+ for 3-6 hour events.

He said there's a lot of repos out there that folks quit making payments, after wasting the hull on a rock.  I saw the inside of one of these engines, and thought the crank and mains looked really stout (i guess it has to be when these things are skipping wave-to-wave at full throttle).  The tricky part will be the flywheel attachment in place of the jet pump connector.  Anyway, it sure eliminates the motorcycle trans issues for running something heavy.

This makes me wonder what the turbo-Honda watercraft engine looks like inside?  I think its not as big as the Kawasaki, however.

Fun stuff to brainstorm,
JimL

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Re: 4 wheels: twice the fun as 2 wheels???
« Reply #11 on: August 05, 2013, 03:33:22 AM »
Think if i went 4 wheels it would be something like the 1JZ gte Toyota
lots of mumbo to start with and no shortage of hi performance gear to upgrade

or something different like a new generation commonrail diesel and boost the hell out of it

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Re: 4 wheels: twice the fun as 2 wheels???
« Reply #12 on: August 05, 2013, 04:43:33 AM »
It is indeed a bunch of fun cogitating on motors.
And it is fun building / tuning / upgrading motors.

One thing I learned from my 401K-draining LSR motorcycle experience: 
No matter what brilliant, earth shattering idea one comes up with, someone out there in google-land has already done it,
AND, unless they are a grudge racer, they are proud as hell and dying to tell someone about it.

I am in "listening mode" at this point.

Thanks for your thoughts  :cheers:

karl

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Re: 4 wheels: twice the fun as 2 wheels???
« Reply #13 on: August 05, 2013, 09:51:41 AM »
Karl,
You might want to talk to Blaine (head of tech.) at the text Mojave event.  He helped build a '32 roadster with a motorcycle engine for salt flats racing.  He even held the record for H/STR - for 24 hours!  He was doing a tuning run and broke the existing record.  After the Baline's tuneup the regular driver took it out the next day and broke Blaine's record. Look up car 3245 at Bonneville.

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Re: 4 wheels: twice the fun as 2 wheels???
« Reply #14 on: August 05, 2013, 10:00:43 AM »
Karl,
You might want to talk to Blaine (head of tech.) at the text Mojave event.  He helped build a '32 roadster with a motorcycle engine for salt flats racing.  He even held the record for H/STR - for 24 hours!  He was doing a tuning run and broke the existing record.  After the Baline's tuneup the regular driver took it out the next day and broke Blaine's record. Look up car 3245 at Bonneville.

BigIron,
I am currently planning to be at the Mojave Magnum in Oct and will certainly touch base with Blaine.
Thanks for the tip!

It would be REALLY helpful if someone could point Don & I at a suspended lakester project car...
Someone out there has one!!!!!

karl