Are these legal bikes

[landracing]

Are these legal bikes???

[Nortonist 592]

With the current definitions they are probably legal in AA/FS or they might fit into the GT class.

[JackD]

They are still in the protest period so anything can happen.

[landracing]

These all ran the May el Mirage meet.

Let me first state the rule pertaining to A or APS rear seat or tail section 7.G.10
Special Construction - Open Class See Modified Production, Section 7.F.11

7.F.11
Open Class - 2. Seat or Tail Section must conform to partial Streamlining rules.

Now we move onto Special Construction (El Mirage only runs A or APS Classes)

Partial Streamlining 7.G.11
Partial Streamlining: There must be no streamlining other then a seat or tail section to the rear of a line drawn vertically through the axle of the rear wheel, and the wheel must be clearly visible for the 180 deg. of its circumference to the rear of such line....... No Part of the seat or tail section that extends beyond the rear axel may be lower then the top of the rim of the rear tire, with the rider seated on the bike.."

Jon

[JackD]

What does it matter, they are just bikes ?

[Dakin Engineering]

Guess it depends on the tech's definition of "streamlining." The first bike is clearly within the rules for the rear fender. The second seems to be, but what is that hump on the fender? And can it be an advantage areo-wise? The third has the wheel covered above & behind the axle, a rule breaker.

Or was your question about seat height?

Or pushrods in Vintage?

Sam

[landracing]

Daken,

There is no mistake... Doesnt matter about what they interpret. The rule states "No Part of the seat or tail section that extends beyond the rear axel may be lower then the top of the rim of the rear tire, with the rider seated on the bike.."

They are all in violation of this rule.

Along with a violation of the the 180 degree rule, beyond the rear axel must continuous and visible...

IN the first picture you can see a bar attached to rear seat go beyond the rear axel. It is slightly leaning towards the rear. The second picture is clearly visible. The third also violates this rule.

So each bike has several violations just on those two points...

Jon

[JackD]

Before the giant proliferation of classes at El Mirage there were fewer rules
 and that type of streamlining would have been allowed.
 The streamlining limits are actually safety related
but few understand or appreciate them.
The conditions at El Mirage are different and the rules were more relaxed.
 All of this with the input and cooperation of the entrants.
That has changed but I am not sure if it is at the pleasure of the rulers or participants.
While the rules might benifit from being the same as Bommeville,
 the enforcement has not been and what you see is the result.
 The worst rule is one that you might not need and only casually enforce.
I guess making your own minimums and benefiting from them would be
 right up there and I can show you that also.
NEXT
STAY TUNED

"A good student of history has a better view of the future."

[landracing]

I guess you could also say the third is illegal also because on no number plate clearly visible.

Jon

[bbb]

uh, so if they are in violation of the "rules" can they just run TO?

[landracing]

I dont have an answer for the "TO" bbb.

But rules do state "IF an appropiate class exists, all vehicles must run in that class. Any vehicle, which is not legal for any class, but meets all technical regulations, will run for Time Only."

Even if TO, part of the Technica Regulations is a number plate rule 7.B.1. But I just may not be able to see it.

And two of the three ran in a class for points which the entrant gets and the club they belong too gets... I dont know about the third because there is no number visible.

Jon

[Nortonist 592]

Did they set any records?  If not they are probably legal.  Maybe we need rules that are not subject to "interpretation".

[bak189]

Maybe they are racing in the
"Run Watcha Brung" class!!!!!!!!

[1212FBGS]

all 3 do not appear to be legal for class

[JackD]

On my e-mail it would seem a picture is worth a thousand words.