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Offline FoundSoul

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Welding on Roof Rails-- does it HAVE to be angle?
« on: January 06, 2013, 11:06:05 PM »
Quick question on roof rails- The rulebook states angle, but I think that's got to just be for easy attachment (bolted/riveted to the roof) -- does it HAVE to be angle or is that just there for attachment?

Could I use 1/2" tall flat steel and contour it to the roof, and tig weld it on?  We'd stitch it to prevent warping the roof..
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Re: Welding on Roof Rails-- does it HAVE to be angle?
« Reply #1 on: January 07, 2013, 03:42:33 AM »
I would go straight to the head tech inspector with this question.... There are enough inspectors at Speedweek that I do not think would have a clue as to what the roof rails' purpose is that you could, in all likelihood, get tagged on it if it was not made of angled material..... if you got one of those inspectors, you could find yourself in a losing argument...... and the head inspector would have to come into the fray anyway......
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Re: Welding on Roof Rails-- does it HAVE to be angle?
« Reply #2 on: January 07, 2013, 09:08:50 AM »
Thanks Fastman614 -- I shot Kiwi Steve (car chief inspector) an email as well as posting this up, if I don't get the answer here then I'll post up his response when I get the email back to share with all...
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Re: Welding on Roof Rails-- does it HAVE to be angle?
« Reply #3 on: January 18, 2013, 12:18:44 PM »
Never heard back... and had to keep moving, so we ran angle.  It looks good... 
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Re: Welding on Roof Rails-- does it HAVE to be angle?
« Reply #4 on: January 18, 2013, 02:29:35 PM »
If you get a response, be sure to post it here, for future reference.
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Re: Welding on Roof Rails-- does it HAVE to be angle?
« Reply #5 on: January 18, 2013, 02:49:14 PM »
Will do!
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Re: Welding on Roof Rails-- does it HAVE to be angle?
« Reply #6 on: January 19, 2013, 03:55:23 AM »
Never heard back... and had to keep moving, so we ran angle.  It looks good... 

It is too bad that you never heard back.... I know that I would not have questioned welded on roof rails as the welds would be perfectly capable of holding the rails on to the roof of any car....

I guess the question should have gone also to Lee Kennedy and some of the other officials too....
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Re: Welding on Roof Rails-- does it HAVE to be angle?
« Reply #7 on: January 19, 2013, 10:51:55 AM »
I too am sorry that you didn't get a response from who you wrote to. I saw you had asked so I held off answering not wanting to impose myself.

I could have answered that yes, welded roof rails are OK. There have been several cars in the past using that method of attachment.

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Re: Welding on Roof Rails-- does it HAVE to be angle?
« Reply #8 on: January 19, 2013, 01:09:35 PM »
Emails don't always go through. Seems like unsolicited emails I receive from persons I've never received emails from before go straight to my spam folder.  I don't have my rule book in front of me - is his phone number not in the book?  I know mine is.   :roll:
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Re: Welding on Roof Rails-- does it HAVE to be angle?
« Reply #9 on: January 20, 2013, 02:40:04 AM »
You do have a point about that, Nathan.... but.... ANYONE in any position ANYWHERE whose position would reasonably be expected to be queried from the "outside world" should NOT have his or her spam filter settings at a point where emails would be sent to the spam folder
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Re: Welding on Roof Rails-- does it HAVE to be angle?
« Reply #10 on: January 21, 2013, 10:33:28 AM »
Thanks all-- I wasn't so much questioning welding as the method of attachment, but since the rulebook specifically states if has to be 'angle' I was more concerned that someone could get on my case about that later. 

I have called and spoken to people before, including Kiwi Steve, and I'm not trying to in ANY way be critical-- I'm sure he gets a thousand phone calls and emails, and I know in my business, email is more efficient than spending time on the phone when it's possible to answer the question that way.  Hence I was trying to minimize the amount of time my query took. 

I can resend the email, it's entirely possible it didn't make it, or slid of the back of the desk, I know I have that happen sometimes here despite trying NOT to. 

At this point I've got aluminum angle shrinker/streched to the contour of the roof, with seam sealer under it and flush rivets holding it in place.  It's not going anywhere.  I just had wanted to see if I could ditch the angle and just use a vertical strip welded to the roof.  No biggie.  If we get this answered though it could be useful for others.

I'll resend the email....
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Lee Sicilio - 1969 Daytona Charger #97 - Bonneville A/BGALT Record Holder - 273.514mph - MegaSquirt-3 EFI and Ignition Control
Gary Hart - 1953 Studebaker #787 - Bonneville AA/BGALT Record Holder - 240.984mph - MegaSquirt-1 EFI and Ignition Control
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Re: Welding on Roof Rails-- does it HAVE to be angle?
« Reply #11 on: January 21, 2013, 02:42:50 PM »
See post #7.

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