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Offline peglegcraig

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Modified class?
« on: November 15, 2012, 12:25:26 PM »
 Will a bike with an OEM fairing be allowed to run in Modified or would it have to go to MPS?

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Re: Modified class?
« Reply #1 on: November 15, 2012, 12:57:37 PM »
It depends on which inspector you get... Technically once you move out of P class to M you would have to run MPS. Lack of continuity in inspection has been my biggest complaint with Bub the 3 times I have been there. Second would be their line set up for runs.  :mrgreen:
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Re: Modified class?
« Reply #2 on: November 15, 2012, 01:11:42 PM »
I was thinking that was the case. So I also see a P-BG record for a Triumph?????? Triumph never supplied a bike with a Turbo so how do you set a Production class record with a modified engine?

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Re: Modified class?
« Reply #3 on: November 15, 2012, 01:17:18 PM »
My point Craig... :roll:
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Re: Modified class?
« Reply #4 on: November 15, 2012, 04:17:43 PM »
The M class is by definition an "Open" class and does not permit any streamlining. Therefore if you keep your fairing, you would be in the MPS class.

You are correct that P-BG for a Triumph is impossible. I wonder if it is a typo or someone actually let it slip by.

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Re: Modified class?
« Reply #5 on: November 15, 2012, 04:48:49 PM »
Don, I'm sure it is a valid record by AMA's standards. I've seen the same bike set records in the A class and M class. The same bike also set records in the PG class and G class...
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Re: Modified class?
« Reply #6 on: November 15, 2012, 07:07:56 PM »
What Triumph was a production turbo?
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Re: Modified class?
« Reply #7 on: November 15, 2012, 08:47:03 PM »
Don, to my knowledge there wasn't one. That's why I said " AMA's standards".
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Re: Modified class?
« Reply #8 on: November 15, 2012, 09:23:50 PM »
My take on the rules at BUB is that many of the pre-2012 AMA records involving production-class have asterisks. Apparently they allowed production frames with modified motors to compete in the P-class and interpreted a truly stock bike as PP.............Anyhow, if you want to run in Production with a pushrod motor and a factory stock fairing, get a Honda CX Turbo...500 or 650.  Nothing wrong with the Triumph......I run one myself 8-) 8-) 8-)
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Re: Modified class?
« Reply #9 on: November 16, 2012, 01:42:56 AM »
Maybe it was pushrod blown gas?
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Re: Modified class?
« Reply #10 on: November 16, 2012, 11:30:38 AM »
Maybe it was pushrod blown gas?
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I found the record Grumm and it is for P-BG. There's also a P-BF record set on a Triumph as well. They also have a M-BG record on a HD. That's why I say their tech and inspection is a joke...
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Re: Modified class?
« Reply #11 on: November 16, 2012, 02:39:04 PM »
AMA rules are different than SCTA.  The do separate chassis and engine classes.  All production is the same as SCTA.  Then there is Production frame/plasics/seat/clocks/wheels/etc with modified engines.  Hence the records you note.   Was tough for me to understand at first, that you could be Production and have visible engine mod's but that is their rules.

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Re: Modified class?
« Reply #12 on: November 16, 2012, 03:35:15 PM »
At Speedweek, Matt kicked a guy out of impound for having an extra switch on his bars to turn on the data logger.
It was about to be protested and it would've been up held
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Re: Modified class?
« Reply #13 on: November 16, 2012, 03:45:30 PM »
Almost been there, almost had that happen.  We were told in inspection that our handlebar-mounted tiny little switch for turning on the data logger -- wouldn't be allowed.  We removed it and Nancy got the record with no questions in Impound.
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Re: Modified class?
« Reply #14 on: November 16, 2012, 11:50:57 PM »
If you consider how AMA did it back in the day, it doesnt seem so strange.  We had a C engine class, which drew its basis from both flattrack and AMA roadracing.  There were certain basic requirements, such as cases, head casting, etc that allowed an engine to meet the C rule.  If it didnt, it could run AG or AF engine (mod gas or mod fuel).  Those various C engine rules translated into the different frame classes for Bonneville, but C engines came from an older mod allowance system for production based engines.

It was possible to run two different engine classes (C and AG) in the same chassis, at the same event (I did), but you understood you could be giving up something running your C against an AG engine.  In my case it was displacement, because I only had the legal amount of C overbore permitted in my 450 Honda.  As an AG engine, I could have been 500cc, but I only had the 468cc allowed in a C build.

One of my competitors was a Norton Manx 500 single, who had to run AG engine class with a "stock" engine because the Manx had insufficient production numbers to qualify for C engine class!  Here, the general low availability of the engine influenced its lack of C (production) status. 

I'll bet I'm not making it sound right....  Still and all, there is logic to their method....its just different from SCTA.  Interesting stuff, I think, and very difficult for the inspectors.

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