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Offline Old Scrambler

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Original Condition of P-P
« on: July 30, 2012, 04:39:09 PM »
If I show up with an outwardly appearing COMPLETELY STOCK bike to run in Production Frame - Production Motor (whether Vintage, Classic or modern), does the paint and chrome need to be in showroom condition?........or the seat cover look like new?
2011 AMA Record - 250cc M-PG TRIUMPH Tiger Cub - 82.5 mph
2013 AMA Record - 250cc MPS-PG TRIUMPH Tiger Cub - 88.7 mph
2018 AMA Record - 750cc M-CG HONDA CB750 sohc - 136.6 mph
2018 AMA Record - 750cc MPS-CG HONDA CB750 sohc - 143.005 mph
2018 AMA Record - 750cc M-CF HONDA CB750 sohc - 139.85 mph
2018 AMA Record - 750cc MPS-CF HONDA CB750 sohc - 144.2025 mph

Chassis Builder / Tuner: Dave Murre

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Re: Original Condition of P-P
« Reply #1 on: July 30, 2012, 05:49:41 PM »
The cosmetic condition is not important. What the inspectors will be looking for are the items that came with the bike. Things like muffler, fairings wheels, fenders, seat, stock height, displacement, etc.
You still need to modify the bike for safety rules (safety wire on axles, oil pan plug, tape the lenses.)
Read the rule book and make a checklist from it.
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Re: Original Condition of P-P
« Reply #2 on: July 30, 2012, 10:11:05 PM »
Thanks........I have the rulebook and SOME experience.......we passed tech on the first try last year in M-PG. Hopefully a wrinkle or two in the sheet metal is OK........It would be a shame to take some of these expensive NOS or restored parts to the salt. 
2011 AMA Record - 250cc M-PG TRIUMPH Tiger Cub - 82.5 mph
2013 AMA Record - 250cc MPS-PG TRIUMPH Tiger Cub - 88.7 mph
2018 AMA Record - 750cc M-CG HONDA CB750 sohc - 136.6 mph
2018 AMA Record - 750cc MPS-CG HONDA CB750 sohc - 143.005 mph
2018 AMA Record - 750cc M-CF HONDA CB750 sohc - 139.85 mph
2018 AMA Record - 750cc MPS-CF HONDA CB750 sohc - 144.2025 mph

Chassis Builder / Tuner: Dave Murre

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Re: Original Condition of P-P
« Reply #3 on: July 31, 2012, 05:48:51 PM »
Follow ??? on 0.05-inch overbore........I presume the allowed overbore in the Classic Class would permit the total cc's to surpase the class limit, i.e. 649cc original + overbore is OK :?
2011 AMA Record - 250cc M-PG TRIUMPH Tiger Cub - 82.5 mph
2013 AMA Record - 250cc MPS-PG TRIUMPH Tiger Cub - 88.7 mph
2018 AMA Record - 750cc M-CG HONDA CB750 sohc - 136.6 mph
2018 AMA Record - 750cc MPS-CG HONDA CB750 sohc - 143.005 mph
2018 AMA Record - 750cc M-CF HONDA CB750 sohc - 139.85 mph
2018 AMA Record - 750cc MPS-CF HONDA CB750 sohc - 144.2025 mph

Chassis Builder / Tuner: Dave Murre

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Re: Original Condition of P-P
« Reply #4 on: August 03, 2012, 01:50:44 PM »
the overbore rule does not apply to P-P class. different for vintage and classic though.

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Re: Original Condition of P-P
« Reply #5 on: August 07, 2012, 02:37:11 PM »
Thanks for the vote of confidence........The only available high-compression pistons that I have found for my ap are 0.302 mm over stock which equates to a 760cc motor. I sure hope this works......for next year.
2011 AMA Record - 250cc M-PG TRIUMPH Tiger Cub - 82.5 mph
2013 AMA Record - 250cc MPS-PG TRIUMPH Tiger Cub - 88.7 mph
2018 AMA Record - 750cc M-CG HONDA CB750 sohc - 136.6 mph
2018 AMA Record - 750cc MPS-CG HONDA CB750 sohc - 143.005 mph
2018 AMA Record - 750cc M-CF HONDA CB750 sohc - 139.85 mph
2018 AMA Record - 750cc MPS-CF HONDA CB750 sohc - 144.2025 mph

Chassis Builder / Tuner: Dave Murre

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Re: Original Condition of P-P
« Reply #6 on: August 08, 2012, 11:56:26 AM »
Follow ??? on 0.05-inch overbore........I presume the allowed overbore in the Classic Class would permit the total cc's to surpase the class limit, i.e. 649cc original + overbore is OK :?

If you talking SCTA and If you're talking about Production Vintage class then yes, you can overbore above the class cc size limit. I had this rule clarified earlier this year and the answer I received from Matt was "In the Vintage class you can over-bore the original size by .050" max.

If you break a record they will measure the bore and stroke of the engine, and in the case of a vintage engine, they will reduce the bore measured by 0.50 to obtain the final cc of the engine.

So as I had it explained to me, you can bore a 200cc Vintage engine 0.50 above 250cc in order to run in the 250 class. Or you can bore a Vintage 250cc engine 0.50 overbore to run in the 250 class as long as the total cc of the engine is 250cc or less.

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Re: Original Condition of P-P
« Reply #7 on: August 08, 2012, 07:35:31 PM »

If you talking SCTA and If you're talking about Production Vintage class ....

This is the BUB board. We don't run SCTA rules. :-o

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Re: Original Condition of P-P
« Reply #8 on: August 09, 2012, 02:05:58 PM »

If you talking SCTA and If you're talking about Production Vintage class ....

This is the BUB board. We don't run SCTA rules. :-o

Sorry, my mistake!
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