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Offline donpearsall

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Old but amazing Drag Reduction Video
« on: June 04, 2012, 12:57:26 PM »
Here is a video showing the various drag effects of different shapes. It is no surprise that the airfoil has the least amount of drag but did you know that a round shape had NINE times more drag?
Interesting video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftq8jTQ8ANE

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Re: Old but amazing Drag Reduction Video
« Reply #1 on: June 04, 2012, 01:37:43 PM »
Anyone have a link for comparison of airfoil drag where the variable is the long axis only?
Trying the shroud a small cylinder, but have a length limitation.

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Re: Old but amazing Drag Reduction Video
« Reply #2 on: June 04, 2012, 01:38:41 PM »
Way cool.

Thanks for posting it.

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Re: Old but amazing Drag Reduction Video
« Reply #3 on: June 04, 2012, 03:18:45 PM »
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Anyone have a link for comparison of airfoil drag where the variable is the long axis only?
Trying the shroud a small cylinder, but have a length limitation.


The tear drop shape used by early 20th century air ships is close to the ideal low drag profile.
Also a nuclear fast attack submarine or a wingtip tank is another real world example of an ideal streamlined form.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/44/R101_in_flight.jpg/220px-R101_in_flight.jpg
http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/seawolf/
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c9/Super_Constellation_at_Salisbury_Airport_Rhodesia.JPG


This might help some research on recumbent low drag bicycle body shapes.

http://www.recumbents.com/wisil/barracuda/barracudafairingdesign.htm

This link has a reference to low drag shape being a tear drop of 6:1 ratio length to dia (do a cntl F search for tear drop it is a long document)

http://www.uwgb.edu/wsgc/conference/2009/2009_Proceedings.pdf


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Re: Old but amazing Drag Reduction Video
« Reply #4 on: June 05, 2012, 01:34:09 AM »
That sure gets my attention! Thanks.
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Re: Old but amazing Drag Reduction Video
« Reply #5 on: June 05, 2012, 02:09:31 AM »
That sure gets my attention! Thanks.

It got our attention too!
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Re: Old but amazing Drag Reduction Video
« Reply #6 on: June 05, 2012, 03:10:52 AM »
Makes me happy with my shape :)

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Re: Old but amazing Drag Reduction Video
« Reply #7 on: June 05, 2012, 06:50:31 AM »
The tear drop shape used by early 20th century air ships is close to the ideal low drag profile.
Also a nuclear fast attack submarine or a wingtip tank is another real world example of an ideal streamlined form.
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Re: Old but amazing Drag Reduction Video
« Reply #8 on: June 05, 2012, 10:25:21 AM »
Link to the full video series:
http://mit.edu/hml/ncfmf.html
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Re: Old but amazing Drag Reduction Video
« Reply #9 on: June 05, 2012, 07:06:09 PM »
Any aerofoil you can add will help though I've read several places that 12:1 is optimum.

Also, how round of a front you need seems to depend on if the item will encounter any cross winds.  Rounder does a better job of delaying the onset of a stall and resulting turbulence on the downwind side.

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Re: Old but amazing Drag Reduction Video
« Reply #10 on: June 06, 2012, 04:00:04 PM »
If you can't put an air foil shape around your round tube you can add a tail to it and reduce the drag by 50%. The "tail" should be 3-4 times the diameter of the tube and mounted to the center line of the tube extending away from the direction of the air flow. The tail works to separate and reduce vortex generation from the top and bottom of the tube.

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Re: Old but amazing Drag Reduction Video
« Reply #11 on: June 06, 2012, 05:28:00 PM »
Don:

That is a very interesting demonstration. Seems counter intuative that a wire 1/10th the size of the airfoil would produce the same drag.

Thanks great food for thought.

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Re: Old but amazing Drag Reduction Video
« Reply #12 on: July 04, 2012, 08:41:03 PM »
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Re: Old but amazing Drag Reduction Video
« Reply #13 on: July 05, 2012, 08:38:26 PM »
How he handled the different weights of the tested components seems mysterious.  That might explain the big drag number he was getting with the wire.  Some added wind was needed to lift it and the heavy bracket it was attached to.   

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Re: Old but amazing Drag Reduction Video
« Reply #14 on: July 05, 2012, 09:09:05 PM »
In response to Reply #9 by Billy.

Dustbin faired bikes do not, as a general rule, have the true airfoil shape when viewed from overhead.  There have been some really strange handling problems these bikes.  Front end washouts, mainly.  Literature from the 1950's when these fairings were used in grand prix racing mentions the problems were mostly in cross-winds.  My feelings are the rider was leaning into a cross-wind with attached flow on both sides of the bike, and suddenly the flow detached from the lee side.  This sudden detachment and resultant loss of pressure caught the rider by surprise and he could not compensate for it quickly enough and down he went.

One task in building the Triumph streamlining was to minimize the chances of this happening.  The roundish nose on an airfoil shape, with no flat slides, is a deliberate effort to provide predictable handling for the reasons mentioned in Reply 9.  It seems to be working.  The bike has been run in some pretty bad combinations of headwinds and crosswinds with no problems.

These ideas are my own and I might be full of carp.  No real scientific experiments to back them up.