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Offline Malcolm UK

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UK Motorcycle Speed Event
« on: May 15, 2012, 05:10:41 PM »
Organised by Straighliners with support from the UK Land Speed Racing Asociation and with governance from the UK national motocycle sport body - the Auto Cycle Union (ACU) the two day event at Elvington airfiled was a great success.

In sunshine but strong westerly wind bikes were timed for speed over the flying start 1/4 mile (centred on the 1.9 mile long runway) and for top speed achieved after 1 mile and 1.4 mile.

Subject to ratification by the ACU some of the key records (achieved from the average speed of two consecutive runs in opposite directions within one hour) and notable speeds were as follows:

1/4 mile flyers.

Mike Grainger, 1300cc Hayabusa Turbo, 229.341 mph. Faster pass 238.095 mph [Outright wheeldriven UK M/C Record].

Zef Eisenberg, 250 Ci8 Turbine, 191.806 mph. Faster pass 210.794 mph.

Graham Sykes, 3900cc Cyclecar (Syko) 167.467 mph. Faster Pass 177.866 mph.

Lloyd Davies, 1630 cc Hayabusa (Super Stock), 209.037 mph. Faster Pass 215.827 mph.

Joe Elliot, PM X2 Sprinter 344cc Automatic Scooter, 100.204 mph. Faster pass 111.385 mph


Other 200 mph runners over 1/4 mile but not record holders

Ken Dunn Kawasaki ZX12R - 220.279 mph
Joe Stevenson, 1300cc Hyabusa Turbo - 209.738 mph
Stuart Donald, Bennett 1000cc Suzuki - 206.897 mph (one way)

1 Mile at Elvington , (in the style of Ohio, Texas, Mojave ....) - 200+ mph runners
Mike Grainger - 242.090 mph, 235.460 mph, 227.330 mph and 221.470 mph, and four others
Ken Dunn, 233.610 mph, 233.010 mph, 232.520 mph, 230.130 mph, 227.330 mph and four others
Jo Stevenson, 224.140 mph, 219.730 mph, 218.450 mph and 217.170 mph, and two others
Stuart Donald 208.660 mph, 200.440 mph
Lloyd Davies 222.800 mph, 218.020 mph, 217.600 mph,
Craig Watson, 201.160 mph
Tony Foster 207.120 mph
Zef Eisenberg, 200.800 mph

1.4 mile at Elvington
Mike Grainger, 249.100 mph, 240.350 mph, 222.800 mph
Lloyd Davies, 225.490 mph, 223.690 mph
Ken Dunn, 215.920 mph, 209.840 mph
Zef Eisenberrg, 204.470 mph, 201.880 mph
Jo Stevenson, 205.970 mph, 203.720 mph
Craig Watson 207.120 mph (Modified Stock)
Craig Watson 203.720 mph (Pure stock)
Stuart Donald, 203.720 mph

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Re: UK Motorcycle Speed Event
« Reply #1 on: May 16, 2012, 10:41:39 AM »
I forgot to add on another 200mph rider.

Terry Smith, 1395cc Hayabusa (in Super Stock)
1.4 mile - 205.220 mph (one pass)
1 mile - 202.620 mph (one pass)
1/4 mile - 200.893 mph (one pass)

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Re: UK Motorcycle Speed Event
« Reply #2 on: May 18, 2012, 06:25:33 PM »
Malcom would that be the first of the MTT bikes to crack 200 at a sanctioned event ?

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Re: UK Motorcycle Speed Event
« Reply #3 on: May 19, 2012, 10:49:39 AM »
Maj,

I cannot be certain if that is the case (perhaps the regulars from Bonneville, El Mirage, Maxton, Texas and Maine can offer comment - help me out here Jon W?) but the smile on the riders face (Zef) would suggest that he may have got there first. He spoke of having some form of agreement with the factory over developing a 2013 machine and his was at 2012 1/2 specification.

Have to say that standing nearby during start up (only a little electrical power boost was used on a few runs) and the launch from standstill, this will be one hell of a road bike on a city street! It will frighten young and old alike :-o.

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Re: UK Motorcycle Speed Event
« Reply #4 on: May 19, 2012, 11:09:33 AM »
An unofficial test on a Louisiana highway some years back had radar readings of 230 by the highway patrol, if memory serves.  Malcom, this encourages me to take another look at a world "speed" record place to list all the historically available timed runs under whatever rules each timing authority chooses, and the average enthusiast can compare for themselves.  Perhaps Jon will allow a spot on this site to list such records and duly note at which event it was set.  Cheers,
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Re: UK Motorcycle Speed Event
« Reply #5 on: May 19, 2012, 06:31:25 PM »
Thanks Malcom
There was a y2k at the salt a couple of times over several yrs, but i think salt ingestion caused a few problems and he never went very fast

Moxnix there is a bit of a bike list on Suzukihayabusa.org for  over 200mph runs at the US and UK blacktop events   

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« Reply #6 on: May 19, 2012, 08:27:26 PM »
Thanks, I'll check it out.
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Re: UK Motorcycle Speed Event
« Reply #7 on: May 19, 2012, 11:53:54 PM »
It is a list of over 200mph in a mile.
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Re: UK Motorcycle Speed Event
« Reply #8 on: May 20, 2012, 09:15:04 AM »
I've been out in the yard following the lawnmower - and can't think right now.  What's an "MTT" bike?  I can't answer the question, Malcolm, without knowing what I'm trying to find.  Sorry -- must be the mosquito & bug dope I'm wearing.
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Re: UK Motorcycle Speed Event
« Reply #9 on: May 20, 2012, 09:28:03 AM »
The series of bikes powered by an Allison/RR turbine, one was at the salt some years back.
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Re: UK Motorcycle Speed Event
« Reply #10 on: May 20, 2012, 04:15:35 PM »
I inspected one of the turbine bikes a couple of years ago.  It was on the first visit to the salt - and they never got it above 150, if memory serves.  Maybe it was even less than that, but it sure wasn't the big numbers we all were expecting.  Still -- had a nice roar during startup and hot idling.

So - maybe what you're talking about, and that I didn't recognize, is something that I know about after all.  Thanks for the infarculations.
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Re: UK Motorcycle Speed Event
« Reply #11 on: May 21, 2012, 03:13:59 AM »
Jon

The turbine bike has been marketed under a number of names and you seem to have dealt with tech inspection of one of the US bikes.

Not sure that radar gun speeds are valid - except when you have to pay the Court the fine for exceeeding the speed limit :-D.

The timing methods and equipment for any record should be repeatable and stand scrutiny with equipment accuracy certified.  Some will argue that the machinery would need to be checked if some limits (such as cubic capacity) are involved. With the range of motorcycle body work seats and fenders the bikes seem to be difficult to compare between organisations.

I remember that after his first 200+ mph pass Zef said that he could not get his money back on the turbine bike - the 'deal' to all owners of that machine is that it has a guaranteed 200 mph top speed or you can ask for your money to be refunded.

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Re: UK Motorcycle Speed Event
« Reply #12 on: May 21, 2012, 06:11:23 AM »
Melcome, thankyou for the information concerning the "faster bikes", Ken Dunn's ZX12, is it turboed or NA, :?,
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Re: UK Motorcycle Speed Event
« Reply #13 on: May 21, 2012, 12:15:31 PM »
Ken Dunn's bike is a turbocharged ZX12R. It also has an extended rear swing arm providing a longer wheelbase. Even so, if he is too brutal with the throttle he can wheelspin through each of the gears as he runs into the 1 mile.

Mike Grainger rode a super stock ZX12R to a best 1/4 mile flyer of 197.368 and then 200.080 mph at the 1 mile and 205.600 mph at the 1.4 mile.

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Re: UK Motorcycle Speed Event
« Reply #14 on: July 09, 2012, 02:34:40 PM »
Hello All,

Just thought I'd pop in and say hello and answer a few questions...

The bike I was running at the ACU sanctioned British Land Speed racing bike was the last MTT built 'y2k' from 2006. It runs a 250 series C18 turbine from a Bell Jet 206 helicopter. It produces when new and blueprinted 320shp (shaft horsepower) but 286hp at the rear wheel, at maximum rpm of 6016rpm. I therefore call the bike a MTT 320.

The power curve of a turbine is very steep, so it makes most of its power near the top of the rpm range. To get maximum rpm you have to achieve maximum N1 (combustion/fuel) and N2 (shaft rpm) at the same time. If not you produce far less power. There is no direct physical drive, it connects via an air/torque converter, so you can dial up N1 without moving N2. It takes a bit of getting used to. At maximum N1 you are producing about 300lb ft, so you have to be gentle to prevent snapping the shaft, etc... I have done that before and it can be very dangerous. 54,000rpm makes small things fly very fast!

Lots of mods were done to the chrome bike to make it as safe as possible, after our previous outing at the world wheelie/speed event. The bike is now black. I was pleased as the bike did not suffer any problems, not even an oil drop. All it required was a change of batteries (2 x 12v 680cranking amps!) as the 40 second starting procedure kills batteries if you keep doing it, without resting.

As the bike has no gearbox as such. You have to achieve top speed via changing the front and rear sprockets. I did my calculations accurately but did not factor in the extreme wind resistance at 200mph+ therefore I was down by about 1000rpm from maximum rpm of 6016rpm. This means I was down about 80hp on the rear wheel. I had no other rear sprockets, so best speed I got was 205.87mph on the vbox gps, about 100m shy of the 1.4m trap speed. A new sprocket has been made, that should achieve 6000rpm, that I hope will deliver 215-220mph, I'm not sure until I try.

205.87 mph video over 1 mile
http://youtu.be/3FZddzT8UNA

This is the first 'y2k' that has ever achieved a 'sanctioned' trap/gps speed of 204/205mph. All the other speeds were done by 'radar' guns from a great distance. The radar guns have a well known inaccuracy of about 10%, so I don't know if the real speed is 205mph or 220mph, as until I try, I don't know. MTT have given me a lot of support and help in turbine knowledge to race the bike, without damaging it.

The first ever 'y2k' was bike no.1 and was taken to Bonneville by the owner. The rider did not feel confident to take it beyond a claimed speed of 150/160mph, but after about 3 runs, the inlet sucked up so much salt, it destroyed the turbine by making a hole straight through it - 100mph swirling salt it very abrasive on magnesium!

My C18 turbine is in the process of being stripped and blueprinted, as we think that the turbine is down on power. Anyone that knows about turbines understands that over speeding them (N2 over 6000rpm) or over torquing them (N1 above 104%) or over temping them (EGT over 1550f) will cause internal damage that results in power degradation or catastrophic failure (bang!) When you are going flat out, I need to monitor all of these functions to prevent turbine failure or damage... as the cost to strip and rebuild a turbine truly makes you cry.

When I first took the turbine bike out, stopping was a real problem, as the bike has no engine braking. It has the opposite...it keeps producing power, like a giant turbo with a stuck accelerator. I have to hit neutral button before I can brake, otherwise they don't do anything. Takes a bit getting used to, but I got it mastered now.

The bike will be ready soon for its next outing... with some more safety mods, ready for the next event. I will be most surprised (upset) if the bike does not smash through the previous speed I achieved previously, and yes it is fully road legal and takes basic pump diesel.

Hope this info answers a few questions.

safe racing, 8-)

Zef