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Re: Garage Cleaning
« Reply #15 on: March 21, 2012, 08:12:37 PM »
Tony, does that aluminum pressurized surge tank act as an accumulator, or what?

Does the remote oil filter mount you have left fit those nifty Pall filters you found? :-D
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Re: Garage Cleaning
« Reply #16 on: March 21, 2012, 10:36:23 PM »
Buddy, It acts an accumulator and you need to use something like this if you run a pressurized cooling system.  I am running Pall 7400 series filters and I have to make an adapter to run them on my housings. The housing I have for sale is CV 747, which is bigger (4 1/4" versus 3 3/4 on the Pall 7400).  If you want to run the 7400 series filter then look for a CV 746 housing and make the adapter or use another type of housing that would work.

I will post some pictures of the adapter I am machining up in the next few weeks. Its a pretty quick job, but I am just too lazy to go  in the shop and do it.  Tony
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Re: Garage Cleaning
« Reply #17 on: March 22, 2012, 02:57:26 PM »
Thanks Tony,

I will get a check out today.

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Re: Garage Cleaning
« Reply #18 on: March 22, 2012, 03:03:56 PM »
Buddy, It acts an accumulator and you need to use something like this if you run a pressurized cooling system.  

Tony, can you explain why I need this? I was going to set the system up like a modern car, with a non-pressurised surge tank, so the water would return to the system as it cooled.
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Re: Garage Cleaning
« Reply #19 on: March 22, 2012, 04:34:01 PM »
Buddy, This is from C&R as they explain it better that I could. Also this is their video on how to set up a pressurized system http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSG37vjU3S4   Its all about optimization -Tony

About Pressurized Water Systems

Pressurized water systems are relatively new to the short track and stock car world.  This technology has been around in F-1 and Indy Cars for many years.  C&R has been involved with the pressurized cooling systems through our Indy Car customers since it’s inception.  It’s more efficient and more failsafe than the customary closed cooling system that has been around for the last 80 years.  This is the future for cooling systems that will make it’s way into the stock car and short track arenas over the next few years.

Pressure in a cooling system is vital for keeping water in contact with the metal surfaces of the cylinder heads and block.  Pressure keeps the air compressed and maintains the water to metal contact that is vital to prevent localized boiling or steam pockets in the combustion chamber areas of the cylinder heads.  When a situation occurs that causes temperatures to rise such as lean fuel mixture, too much ignition advance, or a clogged radiator, the air in the water will expand and form small steam pockets.  This will start in the combustion chamber area (hottest spot) and the steam pocket will be attached to the metal surface.  These spots get very hot and since it’s in the combustion chamber area, it will create a detonation problem.  This is why engines lose power when overheating occurs.  Once steam starts in the cooling system, the problem will magnify and continue to get worse.

By keeping adequate pressure in the system, the boiling point will be high enough that this overheating situation can be prevented.  The higher the pressure the higher the boiling point.  For instance, at sea level with a 30 lb. cap the boiling point would be around 265 degrees.  That’s why we always recommend a 30 lb cap for racing.  With our pressurized system we use an adjustable pressure relief valve instead of a radiator cap.  We do this because it will go higher than 30 psi.  The other components in this system are an accumulator and a tool to set the pressure in the system.  The accumulator is a can, similar to a header tank, that the air bleeds into from the cooling system and this can also has a controlled air space that acts as an air spring.  This air spring will compress under temperature expansion and keep water from going out the overflow.  It keeps the pressure in the system and is the place where the system pressure is set.


What are the advantages of a pressurized system?

With a pressurized system the engine can actually operate at higher temperatures safely.  In the case of an Indy Car or F-1 car it means that the air ducts to the radiators can be smaller and thus more aerodynamic.  On a Winston Cup car more tape can be applied to the grill opening making it more aerodynamic.  There is a bigger safety margin for error such as clogging the radiator or running to lean on fuel mix.  You can run leaner for power and not be in the danger zone of overheating.  As an example, most F-1 teams will run cooling system pressures as high as 50psi and will race all day with temps at 265 degrees.
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Re: Garage Cleaning
« Reply #20 on: March 23, 2012, 12:58:04 AM »
Tony...Got my package today....Thanks!...

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Re: Garage Cleaning
« Reply #21 on: March 27, 2012, 06:04:39 AM »
Parcel turned up today, very happy thanks Tony.

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Re: Garage Cleaning
« Reply #22 on: March 27, 2012, 09:33:33 AM »
I got mine too, in case you didn't get the PM.  :cheers: Thanx Tony.  Wayno

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Re: Garage Cleaning
« Reply #23 on: March 28, 2012, 05:26:10 PM »
Hi Tony

Would you have any of those MOSFET isolation switches laying about? :-D

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Re: Garage Cleaning
« Reply #24 on: March 29, 2012, 08:44:37 PM »
Tony,

I got the remote filter today.

Thanks,

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Re: Garage Cleaning
« Reply #25 on: April 02, 2012, 12:41:24 AM »
Haven't had a chance to look at this post in a while, I am glad everyone got their parts.  Jon, I don't have any of those switches.

I have a new 600 series CJR 20.1 super speedway steering box.  These are the trick units used in NASCAR and are better than the earlier  standard 700 series box and have a .235 servo.  These are heavy duty boxes with 4 bolt mounting and fits most GM frames applications – ¾” – 30 spline, -6AN fittings.  If you don't want power steering, it can be converted to manual steering by CJR.  This was close to $1000 when new, I will take $200 plus shipping.   This was one of the spares for the Firebird which we wont need. Tony


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