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« on: March 03, 2012, 11:51:49 AM » |
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Years ago there were minimums for a record at Bonneville, if you were running in a class you could not get a record at 19 MPH just because you were the only guy running.... Yes I know it will make the rule book twice it's size.... so let's only put the minimums on the web, then it's just a little bandwidth. I have seen several threads lately that folks were ensuring that since they could not find the record that any speed they ran would be a record. Is that the purpose of LSR... make sure that every competitor has a record? Sorry, there are winners and losers, not everyone gets a ribbon... just because you showed up.
Yes I will be a big job, there may be hundreds of open records... mostly in new and expanded classes ... the nuts and bolts and opinions is what this thread is about.... if you will... the recipe (this should be the only type of recipe you find in a racing venue) to make it happen if we think it should.
Let's hear it guys, whada think?
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Other kids A-G record 179.172 Josh O record 182.266
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« Reply #1 on: March 03, 2012, 12:16:02 PM » |
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how were they determined back then and how will they be determined now ? lots of open rmr
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« Reply #2 on: March 03, 2012, 12:40:06 PM » |
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Educated guess based on records above and below the minimum. The Bonneville 200 MPH Club has minimums and you will find that many are less than 1 MPH off of what the BNI record is. A whole bunch are less than 5 MPH off.
Good statement, in (), Stainless.
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« Reply #3 on: March 03, 2012, 12:59:45 PM » |
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Yes I know it will make the rule book twice it's size.... Maybe it's time to reconsider printing separate car and bike rule books. Mike |
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« Reply #4 on: March 03, 2012, 01:30:07 PM » |
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Dan REALLY does not want a recipe section!  |
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« Reply #5 on: March 03, 2012, 02:52:05 PM » |
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Are minimums really necessary? If a car (or bike) capable of running 200+ has problems and runs 19 mph on an open record does that not become a can't miss target for the next guy? If a 200+ car runs 19 mph would the driver not be too embarrassed to head to impound? Or are people desperate enough for a record that they would take 19 mph anyway?
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Get off the stove Grandad. You're too old to be riding the range.
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« Reply #6 on: March 03, 2012, 03:00:49 PM » |
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The minimum for all records should be 76 mph. Why 76mph? Because 76 mph COULD get you a speeding a ticket in most states. If you can't go fast enough to get a speeding ticket, you aren't "speeding" are you?  What's the record for an unassisted bicycle on level ground, 2-way average? Isn't it 81 mph or something? If you can't beat a bicycle with your car or motorcycle, then it's time to do some repairs or buy something else. |
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« Reply #7 on: March 03, 2012, 03:14:59 PM » |
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"...Or are people desperate enough for a record that they would take 19 mph anyway?..." I dunno. Ask David Freiburger and Keith Turk about that.  |
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« Reply #8 on: March 03, 2012, 03:27:39 PM » |
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I like the idea.
How often are El Mirage and 200 club minimums revised?
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« Reply #9 on: March 03, 2012, 03:33:31 PM » |
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Send this to Frieburger and Turk. Fred Rompelburg paced bicycle record. Mile 3 173,756 mph (not kph) exit 174.790 mph. And no I don't believe he was allowed to hang onto the car. One rotation of the pedals covers 114 ft.  By weslake at 2012-03-03 |
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Get off the stove Grandad. You're too old to be riding the range.
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Nancy -- 201.913 mph record on a production ZX15!
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« Reply #10 on: March 03, 2012, 03:46:52 PM » |
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Pretty small drive tire on the bike -- wonder why?
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« Reply #11 on: March 03, 2012, 03:53:25 PM » |
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Pretty small drive tire on the bike -- wonder why?
Musta been something to do with speed rated tires and the SCTA : - ) Neat gearing set up.  By weslake at 2012-03-03 |
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Get off the stove Grandad. You're too old to be riding the range.
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« Reply #12 on: March 03, 2012, 04:14:50 PM » |
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Yes, bring back minimums.....and bring back 3 entrees to make a new class......
PS. And of course bring back the OPTION of a passenger in the sidecar classes...
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« Reply #13 on: March 03, 2012, 04:40:02 PM » |
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Stainless - -
You have me thinking on this minimum thing. As you know, I'm rather new to LSR. I was at Bonneville last year for the first time. I am designing a bike now and will start building later this year. This means I am very "green" to records or minimums.
As I spoke to people at Speedweek and BUB they all told me to look in the rule for a "soft record" and start from there. A few even mentioned to look for an "open" class with no record because you would get a record at any speed. So, this seems to be the common thought presented to new guys like me.
I have been attracted to run at Bonneville to go as fast as I can with what ever I have. The only record I was looking at lately was going 400 mph on a motorcycle. Why, because all other piston powered bikes went slower and it seems that 400 is the big apple right now, just like Dave Davidson did in his 911 roadster when he passed that 300 mph mark. Since Bonneville last year, my new personal record has been lowered to a realistic 300 mph because of my age and money. Not in that order.
Back to your minimum question. A record is just a "recording" of something. I said I want to race at Bonneville and others said it is not racing, it is speed trials. The word trial in the dictionary is said to be; "the act of trying, testing or putting to the proof." Plus, "an attempt to do something." Also, "tentative or experimental action in order to ascertain results." All of these common usage definitions didn't draw a conclusion, they only show what you have reached so far, as little as it may be. I see all the records of LSR are not conclusions either. All records are open for the next faster guy or lady to reach a higher proof.
I understand what you are saying about minimums, but I'm not sure how to regulate what the minimum speeed should be. Going one step farther, should there be minimum speeds for blown classes too? Meaning that all blown class minimum speeds should be higher than unblown speeds. Should all fuel class minimum speeds be fast than established gas speeds? I'm too new and inexperienced to say what the rules should be. However, I did want to try to add to the discussion from the point of view of someone new.
Note: I'm not someone who needs to see their name in a record book to make my life complete. However, when I do race in a class and I exceed the previous highest speed and get the record, because I did my best, then so be it.
Bill
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« Reply #14 on: March 03, 2012, 04:41:36 PM » |
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Send this to Frieburger and Turk. Fred Rompelburg paced bicycle record. Mile 3 173,756 mph (not kph) exit 174.790 mph. And no I don't believe he was allowed to hang onto the car. One rotation of the pedals covers 114 ft. By weslake at 2012-03-03 WHEW! At least my work delivery truck is faster than a bicycle. For now ...  |
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