Proposed EMP Changes for 2012

[Stan Back]

Nathan --

You gotta realize that there are a few "real" sidecars running -- they're not all just wheel on a sticks.

Stan

[Dynoroom]

All the more reason to quit adding classes too...... Shoot, thats the other thread  

[NathanStewart]

Had our annual Milers meeting today.  Our club voted as follows:

1. Yes
2. Option 2 (same body class, same engine class, same fuel class, same induction class all season for points champ)
3. No

[SPARKY]

I am a fan of El M---but most of your higher hp cars, most years, will not be able to race for  points champ, with the same combo,  due to the ever changing racing surface.

[Nortonist 592]

Side thought - would anyone actually really want to run a motorcycle sidecar if it wasn't for the chance at being points champ?

Geez Nathan,  that's cutting right to the bone.  But the answer from me is no I didn't build my sidecar with the points championship being the only reason for building it.  I had an idea and wanted to see how fast I could get it to run.

But I think your question should be why would anyone want to run a GPS if it wasn't for the chance at being points champ?  Why do you need a GPS if for no other reason than to sandbag?  Why do you hear a driver being told to run no more than X rpm if not to sandbag?  After one record I ran a fellow club member asked me if I "left anything"?  I replied I hope not.

[Stan Back]

I know it's only Time Trials, but you sound like a racer.

[Nortonist 592]

Racer?  Like that's gonna happen.

[NathanStewart]

Side thought - would anyone actually really want to run a motorcycle sidecar if it wasn't for the chance at being points champ?

Geez Nathan,  that's cutting right to the bone.  But the answer from me is no I didn't build my sidecar with the points championship being the only reason for building it.  I had an idea and wanted to see how fast I could get it to run.

But I think your question should be why would anyone want to run a GPS if it wasn't for the chance at being points champ?  Why do you need a GPS if for no other reason than to sandbag?  Why do you hear a driver being told to run no more than X rpm if not to sandbag?  After one record I ran a fellow club member asked me if I "left anything"?  I replied I hope not.

Ha, yeah that was just a poke for all the bikes with wheel-on-a-stick-sidecars.  No harm meant.  Just being facetious. 

GPS can actually be a very useful tuning tool.  Combined with a data logger you have the ability to go back through your run and see the details of how it progressed.  What's your speed at half track?  Are you still accelerating at the lights?  What was your speed when the car finally settled down and went straight?  I think people may try to "drive by GPS" but at El Mirage than can be pretty hard for a number of reasons.

[Nortonist 592]

GPS can actually be a very useful tuning tool.  Combined with a data logger you have the ability to go back through your run and see the details of how it progressed.  What's your speed at half track?  Are you still accelerating at the lights?  What was your speed when the car finally settled down and went straight?  I think people may try to "drive by GPS" but at El Mirage than can be pretty hard for a number of reasons.

So does that mean the Points waltz continues?

[NathanStewart]

SCTA board meeting is tomorrow.  Guess we'll see how this turns out then. 

[Dean Los Angeles]

The number of ways that you can determine speed is endless. The dead easy answer is the GPS taped to your forehead. Eliminate that and other methods pop up.

It wouldn't take much to write an app to pull the gps data from a phone and feed it through bluetooth to an ear bud.

[racekid]

I am a fan of El M---but most of your higher hp cars, most years, will not be able to race for  points champ, with the same combo,  due to the ever changing racing surface.

give 50 extra points for any record over 200mph

[vintagehotrod]

rule #2 has been a long time coming, I hope it passes.

[NathanStewart]

I had the chance to talk to some other SCTA members that aren't in my club and they said that they voted no on option 2.  I asked why and they said because it was too confusing so they decided to leave things as they are.  I thought this was kind of a strange comment considering that option 2 is pretty straight forward IMHO.  So I gave them my run down of what option 2 entails and they said "wow, that makes sense... we would have voted yes if we knew it was that simple".  In fact they were very in favor of option 2 once they understood it because they run a car that can really only compete in one class. 

They said the way option 2 was explained to them during their club meeting wasn't very clear so they voted against it.  Bummer. 

[dw230]

Sounds like a rep problem. Not listening or don't care.

DW