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« Reply #15 on: November 06, 2011, 10:53:36 PM » |
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The use of OEM heads in Production is NOT mandatory. Check page 75, sentence at top of the page, 2011 rulebook. If you have aftermarket heads which meet the criteria you are OK.
Brodix have Studebaker heads in their catalog?
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« Reply #16 on: November 07, 2011, 12:28:31 AM » |
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I think Production should be limited to OEM blocks and castings. There is modified for all the NASCAR stuff. I know it won't happen, but it is fun to gripe about it, for a minute. Maybe there can be a tax based on what you spend on your engine, added to the entry fee. Keep your reciepts in your log book.  |
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« Reply #17 on: November 07, 2011, 05:43:03 AM » |
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This is a fight I would rather skip. The Stude heads are fun and maybe we will do them and run modified. Won't set any records, but what do you get for a record. A trophy. I already have a few. Maybe I would rather have satisfaction that we ran the Stude just because we wanted to.
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« Reply #18 on: November 07, 2011, 07:06:16 AM » |
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In my opinion that's what it's all about. A stout run for what you have is recognized far more than a trophy by those who know and understand. As for those who don't, they can always continue to dial 1-800-...... Still a free country, their choice.
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« Reply #19 on: November 07, 2011, 08:07:06 AM » |
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Maybe I would rather have satisfaction that we ran the Stude just because we wanted to.
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« Reply #20 on: November 07, 2011, 09:25:53 AM » |
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In my opinion that's what it's all about. A stout run for what you have is recognized far more than a trophy by those who know and understand. As for those who don't, they can always continue to dial 1-800-...... Still a free country, their choice.
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« Reply #21 on: November 07, 2011, 09:37:34 AM » |
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I think Production should be limited to OEM blocks and castings. There is modified for all the NASCAR stuff. I know it won't happen, but it is fun to gripe about it, for a minute. Maybe there can be a tax based on what you spend on your engine, added to the entry fee. Keep your reciepts in your log book. I don't want to fight either, I went to bed wishing I hadn't even commented. I am disappointed but I think it is just the trend and what can you do. |
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« Reply #22 on: November 07, 2011, 09:47:43 AM » |
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The comment, especially with the manner and context it was posted, is very legitimate. A lot of us might still enjoy watching you play. Pete |
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« Reply #23 on: November 07, 2011, 11:57:39 AM » |
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The part about the whole thing that kind of disappoints me is that there is more going on than the rules state in production.
I "feel" that if someone can run a Brodix head in production and sweep all the engine classes than anyone should be able to modify a OEM head to perform as well, if they can, which is a big if. I think that the wording of the rule "same number of valves and stock port configuration" should leave a lot of room for creative modifications. But I "feel" like if the head looks like Dr. Frankenstiens second unknown creation then you won't be able to run it.
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« Reply #24 on: November 07, 2011, 01:22:11 PM » |
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Zenor, I know Rich knows the procedure, but I'll point it out anyway.
If you're thinking about running it just for the satisfaction, why not submit the changes to the committee, and get a formal ruling. You may be surprised, if you can show the head, even with the changes, meet the intent of the rule.
Hell, it's always worth a shot!
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« Reply #25 on: November 07, 2011, 02:45:23 PM » |
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Won't set any records, but what do you get for a record. A trophy. I already have a few. Maybe I would rather have satisfaction that we ran the Stude just because we wanted to.
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"Got'Cha" was first run in 1974. Bill Temple entered both 2 clubs in 1976 with records in AA/BGR. At El Mirage 201.79 and Bonneville at 220.
In 1977 Greg Temple started driving "Got'Cha" and entered the El Mirage Dirty 2 club in 1979 @ 201.97. Greg went on to set two records at Bonneville, one in 1981 at 241.848, then in 1991 he set another record at 262.230
Bill and Greg were the first father and son to enter the El Mirage Dirty 2 club. They broke the D/BFR at Bonneville in 1981 @ 241 with top speed of 249. This record still stands today. In 1991 they set the A/BFR @ 262 which was later broke by Duane McKinney.
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« Reply #26 on: November 07, 2011, 04:00:32 PM » |
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Buddy and any interested. "If you can't accept the answer, Don't ask the question." I asked if the head would be legal in Production. The answer while not what I wanted, was what I expected. And it was the answer. The SCTA makes the rules. So Cal. It's their sandbox and we play in it. This is a done deal. When I think I can do better i will start the RFTA and you all will be welcome to run your cars there. You may not like the way I class SBC powered cars however.
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« Reply #27 on: November 07, 2011, 04:42:53 PM » |
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« Reply #28 on: November 07, 2011, 05:27:50 PM » |
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It's a cool project that is going nowhere. It was supposed to be for a E/ProPickup. Can't raise and separate your ports in Pro. I got an email that indicates you must run OEM heads in PRO. So I guess there are no Brodex or other after market heads on any of those Chevys in class.
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« Reply #29 on: November 07, 2011, 06:50:47 PM » |
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Buddy; Correct me if I am wrong, but weren't you informed that putting bulkheads in your lifter valley to tie the right and left banks together was not an allowed modification? And now we see that there are 7 main bearing GMC engines in the same class? If that is true, don't you find that a bit of a burn?
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