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Loring Timing Association (Maine) => Loring (AFB) land speed venue => Topic started by: Stan Back on March 29, 2011, 12:48:08 PM
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". . . races from other venues as they vainly try to justify why people run faster on our 1 1/2 miles than their 5-6-7 miles."
Wow!
Just looked at your car records. Didn't compare them all one to one. Saw one car had 4 different records in the same class from the same meet. Maybe what you call records was a run log.
Most that I knew offhand were 20-30 MPH short of Bonneville records. But I don't know any venue that runs a 7-mile course. Maybe you'd like to amend your statement.
Stan Back
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Stan,
You know I like you !! But !! dont stir up sarcasim on Loring's forum unless you plan to come race there.
Now the reason you see one car with four records in the same class is simply this.
The first run was a Record, then each subsequent run upped the previous record. The final and fastest run is Now the CURRENT record,,, but each run when ran was "at that time" a Record,,,
I know you know that,,,,so CHILL on the sarcasim... the West has had Land Speed Racing for what 60 plus years... Loring is only 2 years old,, and doing a GREAT JOB,,,
and Yes,,,, I will stand up for them ,, here on this forum or anywhere ...
Love Ya... mean it,,,
See you on the Salt...
Charles
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Let's try this again. They stated that . . .
"Unfortunately they also receive a considerable amount of, for lack of a better word, guff about the rules themselves based on the opinions of races from other venues as they vainly try to justify why people run faster on our 1 1/2 miles than their 5-6-7 miles. Sorry if that stings, but we are the "Future of Land Speed" for a reason, mainly grip."
So maybe people are maybe running faster on a 1-1/2-mile track than a 1-mile track. Duh!
But they're not (all) running faster than the records on a 5-mile track. The one car I looked at that ran 4 or 5 times still ran 15 MPH under the Bonneville record and under what he had run at SpeedWeek. Do you get 4 or 5 record certificates to wallpaper with? If that's a record list, why not just list the current record so you don't have to search the whole list?
I don't think I'm being sarcastic, I'm just being factual. I think it would be a blast to run there. But I think it's wrong for them to imply that cars run faster there than on 5-6-7 mile track, wherever that is. They need to get a grip.
Stan Back
As to seeing you on the salt -- haven't yet.
Stan Back
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Hopefully, the record runs from last year will be compiled in the rule book so there will be only the highest record listed for each class. Give the guy a break :-P.
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I've been reading these threads comparing the SCTA's venue with the LTA's, honestly it's pointless. A car can go faster on a 6 mile track verses a 1 1/2 mile track....seriously...you don't have to be a rocket scientist to do the math. If you want to have a pissing contest compare the 1 1/2 mile on each surface....but again it's pointless. ...as far as the records are concerned... that's why we have our own records book...it's not the SCTA-LTA records book, but we are flattered by the comparison. With that being said, we should be promoting and supporting the sport thru it's many venues ...regardless of it's surface. More important ...have a safe year both on the road and the track!!!
Thanks
Mark Sotomayor
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Like I said in junior high, "I didn't start this!"
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"but again it's pointless. ...as far as the records are concerned... that's why we have our own records book..."
I have to disagree here Mark. I have a 2010 Loring Rule and Record book. The course is stated to be 1 mile, the contact info is ECTA and the records listed are Maxton records as are the 2009 points winners.
DW
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"but again it's pointless. ...as far as the records are concerned... that's why we have our own records book..."
I have to disagree here Mark. I have a 2010 Loring Rule and Record book. The course is stated to be 1 mile, the contact info is ECTA and the records listed are Maxton records as are the 2009 points winners.
DW
The reason the 2010 Rulebook is ECTA marked is that Joe and Keith were gracious enough to do a copy of there book with our cover and records on the jacket. I am certain that you SCTA guys know how massive an undertaking compiling a rulebook is, so it was the only way that the LTA records were going to be published to give our racers that held them. We have now compiled our own rulebook for 2011. So, I would invite all of you please send a check to the address below, or come to registration at the event, to receive the new version that no longer states that the track is a mile long. (On that point, all of our books have errors in them. In compiling our book, I found SEVERAL in them all. I chose to correct them in our version without coming on the forum to address it. It does not mean that the ECTA is not a valid event because the 5th word in the rulebook is misspelled.) We would also like to thank the SCTA due to the fact in an effort to maintain pairity in the sport for people's vehicles, much of the verbage in our rulebook mirrors the SCTA as does the ECTA.
As for the Future of Land Speed, it is our tag line. You sell the sizzle, not the steak, that's all.
As for the speeds, A lot of the cars running with us are close to their salt speeds one way or the other. Many feel that they will do better with different gearing, but they will need some time to sort through it, just like salt. Bikes on the other hand are running faster on the tar because of grip. We had a guy that has run mid 250's on the salt run 283 on the tar when his engine let go and still coasted to a 273. that does not mean that we are better, just different.
as for the "haven't seen you on the salt yet". Really, are we in junior high? Sounds like a bunch of kids yelling, "No Your Stupid," back and fourth. Besides, if we get in an east coast-west coast battle like the rappers,someone will end up getting shot outside a nightclub in Vegas, and I don't want that to be me.
My comment about justification may be considered by some to be callous, so for that, as my hands are trembling...I apologize for any feelings it may have hurt.
So, in closing, we all operate venues for racers to explore terminal speed. We all race because we enjoy the challenge, the people, and the speed. It's like my brother says, the main thing is to keep the main thing the main thing and that is for everyone to have a safe, fun, and fast event.
Hope to see you all soon in whatever surface you choose to be on. (which today happens to be tar at Maxton)
Tim Kelly
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Yes...as stated in the past we have utilized the ECTA rules/records book (2009 and 2010)...as well as their expertise in running a safe and dynamic event.... and we can't thank them enough. Yes, mistakes were made in printing the LTA 2010 books, and I'm sure there will be mistakes in future publications....we're only human or at least most of us. This year we have published our own books, with LTA records. We will continue to make improvements each year, and appreciate all the support.
Everyone is passionate about Land Speed Racing, lets keep the focus on that....
Thanks Mark,
Eleventh grade class President!
P.S. Now hold on to your boots...their calling for 8-12 inches of snow today.
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Hey people, all this back and forth is BS......"can't we all get along" we are adults....Right.......
Lets race....................
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Dont mean to nit pik but Bill W has never run his bike on the salt.
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They don't get to see moose or black bear on the salt or El Mirage.
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You think you're nit-picking, Fred? Well, in that case -- you're wrong. I know that Bill Warner has run his bike on the salt -- 'cause we were there when he did, and he let me make a pass on his bike, too.
Now - if you're referring to his turbo 'Busa -- no, I don't think he's ever ridden that one on the salt.
Gotta be crystal clear, sir.
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Ok ya got me Jon. Sort of, I was speaking of his Busa. His vmax was a heck of a bike, but nowhere close to 250.
Traction being such an issue with bikes, and especially turbo bikes, I think some run faster at Loring. IMHO
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As to seeing you on the salt --
Stan Back
you can look me up at sw this year
and put a face to the name.
bike #262 (or 262b?)
white van -ohio plates
later,
franey
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looks like your Loring and Bonneville speeds are about the same. What is a sweetooth gear?? :?
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looks like your Loring and Bonneville speeds are about the same. What is a sweetooth gear?? :?
that's the rear wheel sprocket that put eng. in the rpm range for peak hp.
2 diff. wheel sprockets for lta '10 left rpm's on the table .
the 4th sprocket (in 4 years) got the rpm needed for the eng. to
make peak hp (according to dyno) at bub '10.
will see how the sweetooth does on concrete at lta '11.
a dakota digital tach w/ hi rpm recall helped.
2 out of the box analog tachs turned to junk immediately
in previous years.
franey
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You know guy's, it is what it is. The record is the record, no matter where it is set. I have all of the admiration in the world for everyone that goes racing, no matter where they do it at. As a former roadracer I have seen a lot of division that did nothing but hurt the sport. I say we are all Land Speed Racers and as such should be damn happy with the success we see from competitors now matter where it is. Just the way I am. In the military we were all 1 TEAM.
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As to seeing you on the salt --
Stan Back
you can look me up at sw this year
and put a face to the name.
bike #262 (or 262b?)
white van -ohio plates
later,
franey
I will not be at speed week.
tee'd off in cleveland,
franey