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Title: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on December 31, 2010, 04:49:36 PM
I will start with a thank you to all the help and advice so far. You folks are great. I will flesh this out a bit more with details as I have time and the car evolves. I do have some sketches, measurements, many notes etc.

This first set of pictures show the plug going together over the holiday break. Going off my sketches I decided I needed to build the foundation (frame) around the final look of the body. This way I am not trying to skin a chassis that was put together with no parameters.

(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/surlytman/lakester/th_004.jpg) (http://s90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/surlytman/lakester/?action=view&current=004.jpg)



(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/surlytman/lakester/th_006.jpg) (http://s90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/surlytman/lakester/?action=view&current=006.jpg)


(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/surlytman/lakester/th_007.jpg) (http://s90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/surlytman/lakester/?action=view&current=007.jpg)



(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/surlytman/lakester/th_009.jpg) (http://s90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/surlytman/lakester/?action=view&current=009.jpg)

The four above shots show the first shaping. Blue foam laminated with silicone, shaped with an electric chainsaw and cheesegrater

(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/surlytman/lakester/th_011.jpg) (http://s90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/surlytman/lakester/?action=view&current=011.jpg)



(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/surlytman/lakester/th_013.jpg) (http://s90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/surlytman/lakester/?action=view&current=013.jpg)

The two above show laminating extra material to get teh shape closer to my template

(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/surlytman/lakester/th_017.jpg) (http://s90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/surlytman/lakester/?action=view&current=017.jpg)

(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/surlytman/lakester/th_025.jpg) (http://s90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/surlytman/lakester/?action=view&current=025.jpg)

(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/surlytman/lakester/th_026.jpg) (http://s90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/surlytman/lakester/?action=view&current=026.jpg)

Last 3 above show me starting out with Rage Filler that did fine, did not attack the foam, but my hardner was bad. Decided after talking to a fiberglass pal to just use drywall mud to get the shape roughed in. Way cheaper than Rage!
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on December 31, 2010, 07:05:24 PM
More detail. Along with the chainsaw for rough shaping one picture shows a Japanese Pullsaw. This is by far the most versatile tool in my shop! Use it for fine woodworking and many more uses. This one is my first, an Irwin. Kinda cheap, I will upgrade to a nicer one for my finish carpentry after beating this one up on a Christmas Tree and foam :-o

I started this part over Christmas when I could not buy the steel. Had a plan and some scrap blue foam. Used 3 different types of silicone/caulk to glue em together. Again, what I had. Used Big stretch, Some chimney silicone and basic Painters caulk. My hot glue gun was too smalll but showed priomise.

As for the car, those that have been in the chat and talked to me on the HAMB know we are doing XO/GL to start. My partner, Tom is into inliners. The plan is to build a well-built car that we can cut our teeth on while working up the CID for faster XO engines. Starting with a bored out 235, plenty of room to grow in XO.

On the advice of others and my own ideas, the car will be setup for anything from a small V6 up to a Jimmy in length giving us many choices down the road.

Any questions, thoughts or input is appreciated. We are new to the LSR world.

Thanks, Trent
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Dynoroom on December 31, 2010, 08:26:07 PM
Glad to see you moving forward with this project Trent. Can't wait to see how your build goes.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on December 31, 2010, 09:18:48 PM
Thanks man, doing all the behind the scenes legwork right now, I always feel better on a project when I haul the steel hom and set up mu frame jig.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Buickguy3 on December 31, 2010, 11:52:00 PM
Are you looking at XO/GL, or XO/BGL?
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: panic on January 01, 2011, 12:01:01 AM
Like to hear some details on the 235?
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on January 01, 2011, 12:01:56 AM
Are you looking at XO/GL, or XO/BGL?

Why? you afraid?
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on January 01, 2011, 12:05:51 AM
Like to hear some details on the 235?

If you are the same Panic that has been banned from th Jockey Journal, the HAMB and other forums I dont care what you wonder.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on January 01, 2011, 12:08:48 AM
Are you looking at XO/GL, or XO/BGL?

Our first goal is XO/GL Sorry I was flippant
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: SPARKY on January 01, 2011, 08:08:30 AM
Thanks Tman---the LSR comunity is a little small for very much trash talking.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: panic on January 01, 2011, 10:25:05 AM
What a charming remark, and an excellent way to solicit helpful comments.
I'm sure your competence is equal to your manners (6 posts, 2 insults = 33%).
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: debgeo on January 01, 2011, 10:32:07 AM
Are you looking at XO/GL, or XO/BGL?

Our first goal is XO/GL Sorry I was flippant

Flippant no arrogant yes
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: ironwigwam on January 01, 2011, 11:12:25 AM
Panic isn't it about the time you delete your posts and runaway.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: panic on January 01, 2011, 11:17:56 AM
I'm sure I speak for everyone in thanking you for your valuable contribution.

(if anyone is curious about his preference for rude behavior instead of actual dialogue, I'll be happy to explain it privately)
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on January 01, 2011, 11:18:58 AM
Now, now, now, guys.  Open discussion and disagreement is fine -- but let's please keep it on a level of  plain disagreement and not tending toward name-calling.  It's the first day of a new year -- let's please try to keep things on a pleasant keep this year.

Thanks.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: panic on January 01, 2011, 11:22:09 AM
At some point in the future, moderators might try to distinguish between an ad hominem, unprovoked and completely irrelevant personal attack, as opposed to a response to such.
Hint: one comes first.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on January 01, 2011, 11:24:41 AM
SSS, thanks for a great forum, I will not let one person turn my replies sour. Happy New Year :cheers:
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: gearheadeh on January 01, 2011, 11:33:14 AM
At some point in the future, moderators might try to distinguish between an ad hominem, unprovoked and completely irrelevant personal attack, as opposed to a response to such.
Hint: one comes first.


From Wikipedia:
[edit] Ad hominem abuseAd hominem abuse (also called personal abuse or personal attacks) usually involves insulting or belittling one's opponent in order to invalidate his or her argument, but can also involve pointing out factual but ostensible character flaws or actions which are irrelevant to the opponent's argument. This tactic is logically fallacious because insults and even true negative facts about the opponent's personal character have nothing to do with the logical merits of the opponent's arguments or assertions.

Examples:

"You can't believe Jack when he says the proposed policy would help the economy. He doesn't even have a job."
"Candidate Jane's proposal about zoning is ridiculous. She was caught cheating on her taxes in 2003."


Happy New Year Everyone.   :cheers:
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: panic on January 01, 2011, 11:59:29 AM
An ad hominem attack also does not necessarily mean that the victim/recipient was correct (and the aggressor's opposing view was wrong), merely that his remark was not appropriate. Rude people can be right, it just doesn't happen as often (anger is substituted when fact isn't available).

Legitimate (but not necessarily welcome) comments, not specific to this project but in general:
"What you're trying to do will not work"
"That's not legal for that class"
"I've dealt with them, and I wasn't happy"
"Your project is not very competitive for the class, and here's why:"
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on January 01, 2011, 12:01:51 PM
Yes, that's better.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: panic on January 01, 2011, 12:17:08 PM
I really do try (stop laughing!) to explain why when I comment - but only if the remark made suggests that the speaker will understand what I'm saying.
Example:
Q: "Should I run a 6" rod in my 302 SBF?"
A: "No, not enough deck height to allow a piston with any stroke you would use", but the question is serious - he just hasn't done the math

Example of a remark where I would make only a short response:

Q: "Should I run an 8" rod in my 302 SBF??"
A: "No" - he has no idea what this is, he's just recycling data from somewhere else

There is also, in my opinion, a significant difference between these caveats:
IIRC means it's believed to be true (not my opinion), but I can't place it
AFAIK is a bit weaker
IMHO is more subjective
"2 + 3 = 5" is not an opinion, whether you agree with it or not, and we all have our own favorites.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Captthundarr on January 01, 2011, 12:48:13 PM
Is there anyway possible to get back to the "build diary" aspect of this forum. Piss and moan,  guys, let it go and get on with the sharing of info. :|
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: manta22 on January 01, 2011, 12:49:57 PM
For cryin' out loud-- let it alone!

Regards, Neil
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: SPARKY on January 01, 2011, 01:09:43 PM
 :cheers:
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on January 01, 2011, 01:11:11 PM
Happy New Year to you and Linda, Bill.  I hope all goes well for both of you in the coming twelve months.  Enjoy each and every day, okay?
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on January 01, 2011, 04:42:25 PM
BTW, to anyone that wants to reply, my monitor is about dead and am new to this camera. I can tell that a couple pictures are fuzzy but do they all look bad? I simply cant tell, monitor lost red I think. Everything is in shades of blue and black or yellow!
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on January 01, 2011, 05:15:34 PM
Tman, send a few directly to me so I can give you my semi-professional and yet not-very-biased opinion.  Use the email addy on the bottom of the post.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Rex Schimmer on January 01, 2011, 05:27:59 PM
Tman,
Skipping past all of the finger pointing, he said this, I said that BS. What is your plan for the shape of your lakester? Looking at the nose config that you have shaped I would guess some sort of rear engined car similar to the Ferguson's car that presently hold several of the "X" class records. Fill us in on what you are planning. When you run engines that have limited hp you need to give them all of the help you can by using good aero design. In the case of the Ferguson's car it is not very aero but they do know how to make some serious horse power from a six cylinder and if your car is just a copy of what they have done then it becomes a horse power race and you would probably come in second against them. Show us some of your thoughts and we can really start to spread some serious BS!!

Rex
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on January 01, 2011, 06:05:00 PM
Rex,  not really copying any one car. This is a composite of several cars that have influence me.  This car will be on the ground, not like a bellytank. A couple folks here have chimed in with ideas and help on the aero.  Influences? Costella,Main,Zipp and others as well as Fighter design.

Car will be mid engine, smaller and shorter than some. frontal of the nose is VERY small as it sits. Hope to keep teh rest of the car as minimal as can be.

I am just getting started on a good scale model that we will tweak in a mini low-buck wind tunnel. The project 550 made me decide to do that for sure.

Now I gotta expand my fiberglass skills and move on. The dummy engine will be here in the next couple weeks, need to get the steel ordered.

In the end I am just a guy with a lifelong dream to run on the salt (age 41) thanks to dads old HRMs and that cover of the PEEK Bros Model A! We are not bucks up but pretty creative and I am building a good support group in this area. 
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: RichFox on January 01, 2011, 06:53:20 PM
Just a question about what intake you are going to be running. I made a mechanical, mostly Hilborn fuel injector for Ray Hedstrom to use on his 261. But health issues pervented him from using it. I gave it to him. Perhaps he would lend it to you, if that is in line with your plans. I made a few of these things and they seem to work for me. Other people I have made them for must think they look good as they hang them on the wall. Picture attached. Just add one. They have to stick out farther on yours to clear the exhaust. 3 inches on Rays as I remember from the head to the base of the throttle body. 4 inches on my Plymouth.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on January 01, 2011, 07:22:46 PM
Just a question about what intake you are going to be running. I made a mechanical, mostly Hilborn fuel injector for Ray Hedstrom to use on his 261. But health issues pervented him from using it. I gave it to him. Perhaps he would lend it to you, if that is in line with your plans. I made a few of these things and they seem to work for me. Other people I have made them for must think they look good as they hang them on the wall. Picture attached. Just add one. They have to stick out farther on yours to clear the exhaust. 3 inches on Rays as I remember from the head to the base of the throttle body. 4 inches on my Plymouth.

Rich, funny you should mention this. Would you talk to your pal about that one?  Another Inliner on the HAMB offered up some parts to build a stroked 261! Might be something to look into. Tom will be here from the East end of the state, 300+ miles, in a couple weeks and we will lay out a plan for the engine. He is bringing our dummy engine
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: SPARKY on January 01, 2011, 07:26:03 PM
will it be a dragster style and what rear end are you planning on?
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on January 01, 2011, 07:46:19 PM
Sparky, I have a couple Frankland QCs. One will prob go in this car.

 And no, it is not going to be dragster style. Talking to Glen, Peter Jack and others in the chat steered me away from that. (I have an unfinished MW frame here that will instead become a Fuel altered some day)

The frame will be rectangular lower rails and the rest tubular. My mentor and chassis guy has dies for 1 5/8" for his hausfeldt but I am thinking of slightly bigger diameter....................dunno on that one yet.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on January 02, 2011, 09:30:52 PM
Building our team one person at a time. My pal John knows fiberglass and agreed to help us pull the nose off my plug!

Also thanks to all you folks I PM or call on the phone behind the scenes. Pretty much everyone I have talked to here and and the chat as well as personal calls.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Kiwi Paul on January 03, 2011, 12:27:00 AM
Trent, you might give Russ or Eric Eyres a call. Russ is currently building a lakester frame for my pal Charles Greenlaw--(Xetex Racing, the orange and cream fox body Mustang) and it is a rectangular main rail/tubing upper design. Good to see you on here.....Say Hi to Rocky for me if you see him.....Kiwi (.....Tinbender)..Paul... :cheers:
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on January 03, 2011, 01:17:18 AM
Small world Tinbender,  I dialed Rocky on my cell tonight!
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on January 06, 2011, 01:41:23 AM
Trent, you might give Russ or Eric Eyres a call. Russ is currently building a lakester frame for my pal Charles Greenlaw--(Xetex Racing, the orange and cream fox body Mustang) and it is a rectangular main rail/tubing upper design. Good to see you on here.....Say Hi to Rocky for me if you see him.....Kiwi (.....Tinbender)..Paul... :cheers:

Paul, do you have a contact for them>?
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Kiwi Paul on January 06, 2011, 11:32:46 PM
Trent--Russ and Eric are in the Rulebook as E.T.A. Specialties--Eric has a real job, so Russ cell is (858)228 6256, and should be good during working hours PST. You can also Email Eric- He is the SCTA/San Diego Roadster Club President, and his Email is in the Club listings on p 173. He is also on here occasionally....I will send you Charles Contact info in a PM after I make sure he is OK with a broken down bicycle mechanic getting in touch with him....... :evil: :cheers: :evil:
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on January 07, 2011, 01:07:11 AM
Trent--Russ and Eric are in the Rulebook as E.T.A. Specialties--Eric has a real job, so Russ cell is (858)228 6256, and should be good during working hours PST. You can also Email Eric- He is the SCTA/San Diego Roadster Club President, and his Email is in the Club listings on p 173. He is also on here occasionally....I will send you Charles Contact info in a PM after I make sure he is OK with a broken down bicycle mechanic getting in touch with him....... :evil: :cheers: :evil:

Touche! I was sitting behind a running Offy before I could even ride a bike, does that temper it a bit?
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Kiwi Paul on January 09, 2011, 05:12:52 PM
Trent--If the Offy story is legit, you get a pass, but grudgingly....photo evidence? Check your messages....
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on January 09, 2011, 10:11:13 PM
Trent--If the Offy story is legit, you get a pass, but grudgingly....photo evidence? Check your messages....

Naw, dad was not into pictures. My first 6 years were spent around hooligan Sprint car racers. Dad was Crew Chief for Hank Albers, noted racer out of Bismark North Dakota.

I got your note, thanks man, I will be in touch with them.

No major reports this weekend on the car. Sanding,mudding,guidecoat,repeat :-P

Weather turned Tom around with our engine. A dozen or more cars in the ditch on I29 in the first few miles alone, they were sliding in faster than they could pull them out. He will try again next weekend
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Buickguy3 on January 10, 2011, 09:44:12 PM
Tman,
   Would your Dad have known "The Hawk" Marlin Hawkinson noted sprint car racer and Mayor of Bismarck? Drank a lot of beer with The Hawk.
   Doug :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on January 10, 2011, 10:58:08 PM
Tman,
   Would your Dad have known "The Hawk" Marlin Hawkinson noted sprint car racer and Mayor of Bismarck? Drank a lot of beer with The Hawk.
   Doug :cheers: :cheers:

What years? I am talking 71-76
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: maguromic on January 11, 2011, 12:27:00 AM
Can’t wait to see your build, as the XO lakestr class should be very interesting in the years to come.  Tony
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on January 11, 2011, 01:04:13 AM
Can’t wait to see your build, as the XO lakestr class should be very interesting in the years to come.  Tony

Tony, thanks! I am still shaping and fine tuning this plug. Many years of finish carpentry and auto body are heling now, so-so will not cut it. Hope to rearrange the shop and roll my A Tudor into teh main bay this weekend to make room for the Jig. This car is longer so we will mount the I beams to the floor, bay is level for building frames.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Buickguy3 on January 11, 2011, 06:45:21 PM
Tman,
   Hawk owned Hawk's Pit Stop 71-76. Sold Beer CB radios and a lot of Bull----, at that time. Well known sprint car driver/owner then,too. I was there last year and he still has his old sprint stashed in the corner of his warehouse. He became mator of Bismarck around that time or shortly after.
Doug :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on January 11, 2011, 08:03:31 PM
Tman,
   Hawk owned Hawk's Pit Stop 71-76. Sold Beer CB radios and a lot of Bull----, at that time. Well known sprint car driver/owner then,too. I was there last year and he still has his old sprint stashed in the corner of his warehouse. He became mator of Bismarck around that time or shortly after.
Doug :cheers: :cheers:

OK, will ask dad tonight!

Yup, he he was a bit of a geek and ran junk for sprintcars....................but when you crewed with Hank who ran the best. :-D
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on January 14, 2011, 09:16:12 PM
Minor update, got the mockup engine and parts. Will be ready to cut some steel shortly. Still up in the air in regards to transmissions?

Tomorrow is one of our hotrod breakfasts locally, will have some good sit down time with at least 3 members of the team and myself.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on January 21, 2011, 08:17:15 PM
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I owe Buickguy an apology, my above reply was not aimed at him at all, I clicked on the wrong quote button. Took me until today while rereading the first page that I realized my mistake. That one was for the other gent :evil:
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Drewfus on January 22, 2011, 06:22:37 AM
so.....any progress photo's? have you laid out a more detailed plan yet? curious to see more.

Cheers,

Drewfus :-)
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on January 22, 2011, 12:20:10 PM
so.....any progress photo's? have you laid out a more detailed plan yet? curious to see more.

Cheers,

Drewfus :-)

Hey Drewfus! Glad to see you here.

The last weeks progress has been slow. 2 gallons of drywall mud and the remnants of several rattle cans spent perfecting the plug. Mud,dry,sand,repeat!!!!!!!

I think I have it now, will look in the daylight when I get home.

Next step is to move my model A to the main bay and get the frame jig setup. Un-glamorous stuff, no pictures but hopefully another quickchange goes home with me this afternoon. I am also hoping to pick up a trailer I know here in town.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on January 23, 2011, 05:01:25 PM
Picked up the Frankland QC today. No pics until I get it unloaded later this week. My new  friend Wade sent it home with me with the stipulation I find something cool to trade him for his 40 Ford. You meet the nicest people around hot rods and race cars!@ :cheers:
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on February 04, 2011, 11:50:14 PM
Ok, finally got the QC unloaded,shop cleaned, and tore it apart. I need to know what kind of differential this is, I have no clue. Eaton? Detroit locker? This thing sat outside for years and things are pretty amazing inside. I was expecting worse. The blown pinion support did not surprise me, they came that way from the factory right?  :-D

(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/surlytman/th_003-3.jpg) (http://s90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/surlytman/?action=view&current=003-3.jpg)

(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/surlytman/th_002-3.jpg) (http://s90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/surlytman/?action=view&current=002-3.jpg)

(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/surlytman/th_001-3.jpg) (http://s90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/surlytman/?action=view&current=001-3.jpg)
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on February 05, 2011, 08:13:43 PM
After research it looks like this is a Detroit Locker!?

And today got a very special letter in the mail. As a 41 year old guy that has been reading Hot Rod since I was knee high to a grasshopper and bitten by Bonneville I got my BNI Menbership card! Silly? Not for me, I know anyone can send in the money for it but it is a symbolic step in my quest.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Stan Back on February 05, 2011, 09:42:35 PM
Add it all up, and the BNI card is a real bargain.

Stan
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on February 05, 2011, 10:08:05 PM
Add it all up, and the BNI card is a real bargain.

Stan

It is! Carla, my wife laughed at me a tad when I gushed to her. But this is really cool to me. I laid out what you get with it and she thought it was cool :cheers:
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on March 16, 2011, 12:20:32 AM
Having camera issues, cant download. But, all I have is an ever increasing pile o parts. If I dont quit it I will end up with a racecar some day!
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Drewfus on March 17, 2011, 07:12:18 AM
so what did you choose for a g'box?

c'mon, get those photo's downloaded, and more importantly, start mocking it up so we can start building..... :wink: :-D

Cheers,

Drewfus

P.S. send that QC over to me and I'll fix it for you, for your effort I'll even put it in my 34 coupe and make sure it works for you.... :-D
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on March 17, 2011, 12:50:03 PM
so what did you choose for a g'box?

c'mon, get those photo's downloaded, and more importantly, start mocking it up so we can start building..... :wink: :-D

Cheers,

Drewfus

P.S. send that QC over to me and I'll fix it for you, for your effort I'll even put it in my 34 coupe and make sure it works for you.... :-D

Drew, the QC is ready for new bearings and re-assembly. We are going for the most common box, a Mincie unless something more exotic shows up. I need to spring for a new camera.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Unkl Ian on March 17, 2011, 11:07:33 PM
Would a T5 stand up ?
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on March 18, 2011, 12:23:57 AM
Would a T5 stand up ?

From what I have heard from experienced folks.....no.  But with the way folks hammer the T5s I would think it would be fine on our low HP setup. I forget what 4th is? 5th usually is .78 or so..................What are you thinking Mr Hawking?
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Unkl Ian on March 18, 2011, 12:08:49 PM
There isn't much traction on Salt, which should help.
Probably depends on how much torque you will be making.


The T5 came with a variety of ratios.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on March 18, 2011, 03:15:32 PM
I do have a T4 that was going into my Tudor but we feel that the Muncie may be a better choice long term, if/when we start playing with other engines.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on March 18, 2011, 04:37:23 PM
Dad just stopped by the office and reminded me that we also have a Saginaw 3spd.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Rick Byrnes on March 18, 2011, 08:27:45 PM
Anyone thinking about a T5 for the salt it can be done if HP is somewhat limited.

I originally did a T5 with .90:1 OD for the Merk and ran it for the first 4 years.  The fourth year I decided to try to use 5th gear.  HP was around 400 back then.  Don't know torque.
IT BROKE
At speed, the sound of a failing gear sounds like a shotgun going off.  I thought I was gonna run over the blowed up motor.

The OD gear is not supported at both ends and is the weakness. 

I switched to TREMAC, used only 4 gears and went faster.  Of course I had more power those later years..........
 
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Buickguy3 on March 18, 2011, 11:08:20 PM
 Tman,
      We exploded a T5 behind the antique Buick last year and switched to a TKO 600. No complaints so far. The T5 was a World class and it was third gear that let go. The new car is lighter so it should help take the stress off of the higher gears.
  Doug :cheers:
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on March 19, 2011, 12:29:10 AM
Thanks guys for your input. At this point if I found a good T5 it would go in my A Tudor! Looking at GM 4spds still and a Saginaw 3 spd. Unless someone tells me the Saginaw is crap behind our vintage engine. Thinking of beefing it up like the roundy round guys do......................
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Stovebolt on March 24, 2011, 06:55:34 PM
so what did you choose for a g'box?

c'mon, get those photo's downloaded, and more importantly, start mocking it up so we can start building..... :wink: :-D

Cheers,

Drewfus

P.S. send that QC over to me and I'll fix it for you, for your effort I'll even put it in my 34 coupe and make sure it works for you.... :-D

Drew, the QC is ready for new bearings and re-assembly. We are going for the most common box, a Mincie unless something more exotic shows up. I need to spring for a new camera.
Trent

i take it you won't be needing me to send ytou the shorty 3 speed saginaw I have here ;)
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on March 24, 2011, 10:39:23 PM
Crap, I forgot about that! And we are still open on Motor ideas. Tom is in charge of that part. I have a 235 AND a 261 block here, I like your stroker idea. I will talk to tom this weekend.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: maguromic on March 24, 2011, 10:52:19 PM
Since you cant streamline the wheels, have you thought of a 4WD system or a front wheel drive?  Tony
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on March 24, 2011, 11:46:54 PM
Since you cant streamline the wheels, have you thought of a 4WD system or a front wheel drive?  Tony


Tony, my pals in MT are doing the Strange days Front Drive tank. 4wd did not enter my mind. Good ideas, my brain is on a different track tho. BTW, reread your whole thread the other day, great reading!
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on March 27, 2011, 02:55:09 PM
OK, had to throw away another 2nd hand camera. I have some parts pics. Doesn't look like I have been doing much, gathering parts never does get the glory of frame and chassis pics! Actually been organizing the shop, new to me toolboxes, making room for my Tudor AND the Lakester.

(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/surlytman/lakester/th_033.jpg) (http://s90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/surlytman/lakester/?action=view&current=033.jpg)

Above is Toms Wixski aftermarket valve cover. Well designed cast piece.

(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/surlytman/lakester/th_030.jpg) (http://s90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/surlytman/lakester/?action=view&current=030.jpg)
That is a pre-production Howe/Sweet rack in a slower ratio from my pal Frank Burrell in Michigan. He produced many of the Howe welded components over the years before his retirement many years ago. This rack was designed by Sweet and produced by Howe before Sweet went out on his own. It was destined for a Baja 1000 buggy that Frank never got to run..........hope we do him proud! I love a backstory!

(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/surlytman/lakester/th_029.jpg) (http://s90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/surlytman/lakester/?action=view&current=029.jpg)

Still looking for hoops like this with the extra safety bead but our rear centers made it!

(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/surlytman/lakester/th_028.jpg) (http://s90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/surlytman/lakester/?action=view&current=028.jpg)

My pal Jamie at HRI welded up the blown pinion support



(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/surlytman/lakester/th_001-2.jpg) (http://s90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/surlytman/lakester/?action=view&current=001-2.jpg)
lastely Kiwi Kev made a small shoe style gas pedal for the car, still need the return hoop and hinge, thanks Kev!
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on September 18, 2011, 02:27:25 PM
Well, afte my recon trip to the salt and helping with the #416 truck we are back home and starting work in earnest. Advice from Glen and ohters in the chat confirmed what I had in my head that another trip to the salt was a good idea before I moved forward. Thanks for all the help and input so far! :cheers:

This shot shows my helper. The main rails are 2x3 .188 wall, 12' long. The angle does not show the taper of the frame well, it is 12" wide at the front a 22ish by the driver and coming back together some at the rear. These are the main rails with a WB of 144+. There is a nose section in front of this and a rear substructure for the chutes and other parts.

Still up in the air for a transmission. Something GM, I doubt I can find something exotic this first time around given our budget and experience level.

I hope to have the shoulder hoop bent this week. Then I can start laying out the other parts of the frame.

(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/surlytman/lakester/012-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Freud on September 18, 2011, 02:49:15 PM
Use the helper as the driver. It won't matter how small you make the frame he will be able to get out very fast.

That's impressive in tech.

FREUD
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on September 18, 2011, 02:58:27 PM
Use the helper as the driver. It won't matter how small you make the frame he will be able to get out very fast.

That's impressive in tech.

FREUD

Thats funny Freud! Maybe I can use that air cylinder the Bockscar boys gave me and use it to EJECT him?!?!?! :-D
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on September 23, 2011, 08:06:42 PM
Still waiting on tubing. Found some areas of the nose plug that I reworked. Now I am busy using up old cans of paint to seal it up and get it ready for mold release.

(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/surlytman/002-7.jpg)

(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/surlytman/001-7.jpg)

Above it is sitting on top of the main rails, it will actually be attached to a sub structure in front of them. The front of the rails is where the front axle will mount, duh!
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on October 02, 2011, 01:16:41 PM
I am pleased to announce a new addition to our team. Scotty Gosson AKA Jangleguy is going to be our beer fetcher and DD after we drink too much of said beer. Oh yeah, he can tune and fits the cockpit so he can play with the lakester as well.

I have had a couple adventures with the Gosson Bros over the years, some how they put up with me! I am glad to call them both friends.

 Sorry for stealling your help Eric :-D
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on October 17, 2011, 12:50:05 AM
Lots of small stuff that is not worthy of pictures, QC teardown and rebuild, etc.

But my little spawn has been helping on some stuff.

(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/surlytman/lakester/001-4.jpg)

Safety is #1 here.

"helping"

(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/surlytman/lakester/002-1.jpg)

Almost the end result, a small butterfly for The Spirit of South Dakota.

(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/surlytman/lakester/003-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on October 17, 2011, 08:44:43 AM
Ah, yet another great example of "get 'em while they're young!"  Cool work by a cool kid.  Congratulations.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on October 17, 2011, 09:53:41 PM
Thanks Jon, I was in the shop helping dad when I was 4 as well and I just turned 42 on Sat. . Stuff like this is what kids need, too many metrosexuals as it is :-D  BTW, those are OSHA approved flip flops he is wearing! :-P
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: interested bystander on October 17, 2011, 10:40:53 PM
Wonderful TMan!
 Wish I coulda got my kid  more interested in the day. He ended up with a masters in Physics and is a freakin' LAWYER and studies the functions of the BRAIN as a hobby! (But we are goin' to the Hot Rod Reunion together this weekend and LOVES El Mirage).

His sister, though, puts 10K miles on her BMW 1200 every year so she's close, and did used to sweep the old racecar shop. Thankfully she missed Jr Dragster by five years - I ain't got that much  dedication in my soul  to have done that program - even though we built a dozen or so for others.

Enuff kid braggin, g'nite!


Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on October 18, 2011, 05:48:45 PM

He already has a 28 closed cab pickup and will get my 1st bike, an Indian 70cc dirtbike.

Wonderful TMan!
 Wish I coulda got my kid  more interested in the day. He ended up with a masters in Physics and is a freakin' LAWYER and studies the functions of the BRAIN as a hobby! (But we are goin' to the Hot Rod Reunion together this weekend and LOVES El Mirage).

His sister, though, puts 10K miles on her BMW 1200 every year so she's close, and did used to sweep the old racecar shop. Thankfully she missed Jr Dragster by five years - I ain't got that much  dedication in my soul  to have done that program - even though we built a dozen or so for others.

Enuff kid braggin, g'nite!




Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on October 21, 2011, 07:56:43 PM
Well, finally got the 1 5/8" tubing bought and hauled. Long story but 21 foot sticks are a pain when it involves borrowing equipment to haul it. Almost cried when the first suopplier was out. Luckily found a bunch at another place. :cheers: No pictures, we all know what round tube looks like. Now if only my tubey bendy pal was not at Bakersfield this weekend! :-(
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on October 22, 2011, 07:16:13 PM
I am single for the week but have no camera, wife took it on her trip.

Todays work, got the wheel centers tapped out of a good set of steelies I had. Using the old ford BP centers from the 5"ers for the front wheels. Then, using the hoops for the wide five rears.

I NEED TO FIND 15x4 hoops however for my front wheels. Need them 12 5/8"  ID. I have a couple calls out but no answer for the weekend of course. Why am I making my own? Time VS money and I can insure that I have the runout nailed and that I don't have to wait for wheels. That and I am Norwegian and stubborn/frugal. Have new and really nice used parts here so I might as well use them!

I am looking for 4" hoops because M&H says that is the correct size for my 22x 3.5" front tires.

Also spent a fair amount of time on Bangshift today and got to see Les Davenport run!  :cheers:
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Elmo Rodge on October 22, 2011, 07:32:53 PM
Trent, measure Volkswagen Bug hoops.  :cheers: Wayno
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on October 22, 2011, 07:38:16 PM
Trent, measure Volkswagen Bug hoops.  :cheers: Wayno

Thanks Wayne. I will see what is local. Our yards here are so poor anymore I fear I just have to order new ones. May need to make some more calls during the work week. Miller Wheel, Ralleye America etc...........
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Dr Goggles on October 22, 2011, 08:17:51 PM
They're VW rims on our car....we used late model Ford centres .

Volvos ran narrow 15's too.

Now , I'm just being smart here but Skoda's had some skinny 15's too.

Anyone else in the top left corner of Europe make cars?

Oh yeah,

Maybe there's a Saab wheel in the 4-4.5 range

Dr G
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Freud on October 22, 2011, 11:11:33 PM
T man

How did Les do?

FREUD
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on October 22, 2011, 11:29:59 PM
T man

How did Les do?

FREUD

He was in the show for tomorow and #2 as far as speed and ET. Damn fast for the smallest engine in the class!!!!!!!!!!!!

www.bangshift.com

Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Freud on October 22, 2011, 11:36:02 PM
He was probably sand bagging.

FREUD
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on October 23, 2011, 10:06:52 AM
He was probably sand bagging.

FREUD

You can watcht he finals today LIVE on www.bangshift.com starts 9 Pacific.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: maguromic on October 23, 2011, 11:24:25 AM
Trent, Thanks for the link, now I wont get anything done today.  LOL Tony
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on October 23, 2011, 05:13:16 PM
Trent, Thanks for the link, now I wont get anything done today.  LOL Tony

No worries, missed the run but heard Les relit :cry:
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on October 24, 2011, 10:21:34 PM
Unk, Jimmy aka Wheelkid called me this morning. He has the hoops I need in 4.5" I am hoping my M&Hs will be fine on these. He said the quality of these is much better than the 4s he has. Also learned that the 12 5/8" centers are not as common as the bigger ones you found. His 4"ers would need cut down 16" centers as the ID is 1`3+ inches.

Doh! I was typing a reply to one you had on the HAMB! :oops:
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Rex Schimmer on October 25, 2011, 09:45:54 AM
T-Man,
Look back on the BB Bonneville Bugeye build thread and see how they did their wheels. Look at reply no. 61 for some pics. They used VW rims and had centers laser cut to fit, I am sure you could also do water jet but it looks like a good way to make wheels.

Rex
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on October 25, 2011, 10:19:39 AM
those are nice Rex. I already have centers though, just need the hoops which I have foud,
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on October 26, 2011, 11:03:04 PM
We have a number! Just got off the phone with Chuck, always enjoy his chat. The Spirit of South Dakota will be............................drumroll..............................1876! Thats when the goldrush hit its peak in the Black Hills and Deadwood. Very fitting for me since my great grandpaw also drove the Deadwood Stage during those times. I was going for the statehood date of 1889 but it is in use.

I also got the shoulder hoop bent tonight. No pics, Carla took the camera on her trip back East. things are going well.  :cheers:
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on October 31, 2011, 12:44:31 AM
Shoulder hoop is bent, mocked it up with the right height in front but undecided on the rear untill I sit in it, as of now it is "roomy". Might be the last time I EVER say that  :wink:

(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/surlytman/lakester/041.jpg)
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Dr Goggles on October 31, 2011, 05:07:07 AM
as of now it is "roomy". Might be the last time I EVER say that  :wink:

think of weight you will NEVER be, and make it for that.......

160lbs at the start, 195 by the time we finished....now I've got a suit that makes me even fatter again..... :oops:
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Peter Jack on October 31, 2011, 05:56:11 AM
Just think Trent, a few more tubes and you're done!!! :evil: :roll: :-D

Have FUN.

Pete
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on October 31, 2011, 11:21:57 AM
Just think Trent, a few more tubes and you're done!!! :evil: :roll: :-D

Have FUN.

Pete

Yes, only a few dozen copes :roll:
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on November 01, 2011, 01:12:28 AM
Started coping,mitering tubes tonight. Only a couple, had LilT out to Trick or treat so that cut into the evening. Worth it though with a 4 year old!. Cutting them on my bandsaw and dressing with a wheel. Done a couple this way in the past, having an easy time of it. I will post pictures when there are a few tubes tacked in.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Elmo Rodge on November 01, 2011, 06:07:40 AM
Trent, on the really weird cuts I did them first in PVC tubing. It's much easier and quicker to cut. "Oh. That's what it's supposed to look like".  :roll: Wayno
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on November 01, 2011, 09:53:00 AM
Trent, on the really weird cuts I did them first in PVC tubing. It's much easier and quicker to cut. "Oh. That's what it's supposed to look like".  :roll: Wayno


Noted Wayne. I can usually visualize copes pretty well, years of finish carpentry have got my eyes trained! The one thing I am really working hard at is the sensible, proper placement of the uprights and diagonals. Printed off some pictures of completed cars that I know have gone through tech and spent the rest of the night with tape measure and masking tape working on real world layout.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: SPARKY on November 01, 2011, 11:57:55 AM
Masking tape is GOOD  :-P
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Peter Jack on November 01, 2011, 01:58:55 PM
Just remember it's not structurally sound at 200 mph. For that you require genuine made in America Duct Tape (difficult to find these days). :-o :-o :-D

Pete
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on November 01, 2011, 02:20:15 PM
And here I thought I needed to WELD that stuff!?

A note about welding, did you know that steel stays hot for over an hour? :-o Don't ask me how I know :oops:
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Peter Jack on November 01, 2011, 02:31:48 PM
Only if you're going to touch it! :evil: :evil:

Pete
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on November 01, 2011, 02:51:12 PM
Only if you're going to touch it! :evil: :evil:

Pete

Like that scene in Raiders of the lost Ark :-D
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on November 03, 2011, 05:37:23 PM
Got two more tubes bent today. The rear helmet tubes. Left em long to trim. Need to get a caouple tubes under me to fine tune driver position so we can bed up the front helmet hoop. Special thanks to Tony/maguromic for lending me his drawing to work off of. I am in contact with Lee Kennedy to make sure all is Kosher. And Nathan is watching me as well, right Nate? :-D
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: 4-barrel Mike on November 03, 2011, 05:43:03 PM
If your wife isn't going to come back with the camera, let me know, I have an extra.

PICTURES, DAMN IT!  :evil:

Mike
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on November 03, 2011, 05:49:39 PM
She is back, thats how I posted the last ones! Plus I am still in town, not home yet :-D
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on November 03, 2011, 10:59:36 PM
For Mike, not much but hand cut Miters/copes and the bent tubes. Also have a pal blasting my wheel parts as we speak. Got a good support group around here! :cheers:

(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/surlytman/lakester/008-1.jpg)

(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/surlytman/lakester/006-1.jpg)

And a stinkbug my wife caught in a 32 roadster!

(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/surlytman/lakester/001-5.jpg)
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Dr Goggles on November 03, 2011, 11:15:16 PM
Hey Mr Stink-Bug,
expect a protest to be lodged, yeah, the guy in the white one. :wink:
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on November 05, 2011, 12:17:11 PM
Got all my wheel parts blasted last night. Have to order the front hoops and will be able to build! Got the jig ready and will try and make the things as close to perfect as I can. Cant wait to play withthe dial indicator.

Also going to try and make patterns for the rest of the helmet hoops. That will allow me to bend those up this week. I think we are going to build the cage around the ISP padding? Looking at thier specs right now.

I always forget how fast you eat up tubing when building something :oops: I have torn through the first two sticks already and will have to buy another, and thats without making any mistakes, yikes!
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on November 05, 2011, 06:31:33 PM
Playing with position and making measurements and patterns for the rest of the cage. Darn, who built this thing so small!? :-D Thats my brother modeling the thing. He is driver #2, Jangleguy is #3 and the smallest of us. And yes I know the open face is not Kosher, we were getting ideas and spacial relationships today, nothing more. Gotta find a home for the fire bottles though, no room in front of us!

(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/surlytman/lakester/002-2.jpg)

(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/surlytman/lakester/005-1.jpg)

(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/surlytman/lakester/004-1.jpg)

(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/surlytman/lakester/002-2.jpg)

(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/surlytman/lakester/001-6.jpg)
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: saltwheels262 on November 05, 2011, 06:42:48 PM
a full face helmet may position his head at a different angle.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Glen on November 05, 2011, 06:48:27 PM
Trent, as the new helmets are larger and have Hans device clips as well as the air intake allow for this in the hoops and the padding. We had to make changes in the 444 car and if the Turbinator is to run again the whole upper roll cage will need to be changed as well as the body around it. Can you mount the two fire bottle above the legs on each side of the steering shaft.Just thoughts.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on November 05, 2011, 06:58:14 PM
Thanks for the input, the helmet pic was more for fun. I had the measurements for a full face here for reference, again, this is only the first step. I am working on patterns for the upper hoops, we were only trying to figure out if the thing would work. Nothing is even tacked at this point. I have a good helmet that I did not get a chance to borrow, we will have it when we start fitting the hoops. You can see we played with padding and such behind the back. 1st step, nothing written in stone yet.

Glen, that is one option I am looking at as I type this. If I curve the upper cross braces on the frame like a shot of AckAttack I have, there may be enough room above the legs. Also using the pictures of Anthony Youngs new car as reference since it was an example of a "fat" lakester that the Tech guys got learned on  :-D :wink: I jest, but from the cage forward that car is basically what we are building and I recognize the quality of the build! :cheers:
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: SPARKY on November 05, 2011, 08:12:46 PM
on the Ratical I  at one time had the fire bottles mounted one on top of the other,right behind my back, horizontally from side to side using the fire wall to mount them to
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Elmo Rodge on November 05, 2011, 08:25:13 PM
Trent, I have 1 ten pound bottle behind my seat in that triangular area. If you tape 2 oatmeal boxes end to end it replicates a ten pounder pretty well. I'm putting another ten pounder in the engine compartment mounted laterally also. It's a workout finding room for this stuff in a smallish car.  :-D Wayno
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on November 05, 2011, 08:50:17 PM
Trent, I have 1 ten pound bottle behind my seat in that triangular area. If you tape 2 oatmeal boxes end to end it replicates a ten pounder pretty well. I'm putting another ten pounder in the engine compartment mounted laterally also. It's a workout finding room for this stuff in a smallish car.  :-D Wayno

And this is small Wayne! Thanks! :cheers:
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Glen on November 05, 2011, 08:56:09 PM
It's not to late to stretch it a few feet. :roll:
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Captthundarr on November 05, 2011, 09:28:57 PM
Trent, I have 1 ten pound bottle behind my seat in that triangular area. If you tape 2 oatmeal boxes end to end it replicates a ten pounder pretty well. I'm putting another ten pounder in the engine compartment mounted laterally also. It's a workout finding room for this stuff in a smallish car.  :-D Wayno

And this is small Wayne! Thanks! :cheers:

Just how big is the hampster wheel for that li'l rocket? just kidding :-D
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: 55chevr on November 05, 2011, 09:31:42 PM
Trent -  Plan it well ... I like Glen's suggestion, now is the time to stretch it if you need room for equipment.

Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Dr Goggles on November 05, 2011, 09:37:38 PM
It's a workout finding room for this stuff in a smallish car.  :-D Wayno

I got in your car Wayno , what shocked me was that the inside was so big that the weather was different on one side t'other.

Trent , when you get to running the car there is also the risk of "grey-outs" if you can't get your helmet into a position where it isn't pressed against the padding, that abrupt angle of your bro's neck would be better if there was a bit of curve at the top allowing the shoulders to come forward a little and the neck to be straighter....Yeah I know you are just mocking things up, but these are observations from someone who has done what you are doing.There will be room behind the drivers beltline and under the knees for bottles if you have no room in the engine bay.

Do you intend the cross section of the car to be round?..if so there will be room on either side of the driver's seat, ours are there...we have punch buttons on the end of them, which in the event of a fire you have to hit with your elbows, not ideal but when the wrist straps are on there aren't many places in the cab you can reach.

At this point of your build it is tempting to try and demarcate things, "THIS is the firewall" as a big flat barrier, better use of space likely means it will NOT be flat.......we had the luxury of CAD but when it comes down to the real nitty gritty you'll be putting things together and taking them apart ten times for every time you have a hot dinner, we did.We also had the ability to print out life size drawings of the hoops, then we could inch up on the bends, that was very handy.

And, once again. When you are making critical decisions about width and driver fit, wear thick clothes, right now you're agile, fighting weight and have good abdominal strength(just guessing, you're still in your 30's and you ride a bike)...........that doesn't mean you will when the car gets scrutineered for the first time. I could always get out easily in four seconds without my gear on , safety gear nearly doubled it, with my new triple layer suit and my new 30lbs it's in the 12 second range.

We refused to stretch our tank because we liked the lines, that made for a huge amount of work in the cramming.......longer cars are harder to transport, but that's about the only negative.......
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Elmo Rodge on November 05, 2011, 11:09:52 PM
Dr. Goggles sed "I got in your car Wayno , what shocked me was that the inside was so big that the weather was different on one side t'other."
That's why I said "Smallish". I didn't want to overexaggerate the smallocity of my project.  :-D  Available space does have a propensity to evaporate quite rapidly though.  :wink: Wayno

Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: SPARKY on November 06, 2011, 12:22:47 AM
 :-P  you will ponder for hours on where to put stuff,  Joe Timney says he almost has a car ready to fire be fore he does a hard weld
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Kiwi Paul on November 06, 2011, 12:32:58 AM
Trent--Remember to bring the blocks for the Pedals to Tech with you so that when Scotty has to do his Bailout, we can make sure his little self can reach all the knobs and stuff...... :-D :-D :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on November 06, 2011, 10:31:46 AM
Trent--Remember to bring the blocks for the Pedals to Tech with you so that when Scotty has to do his Bailout, we can make sure his little self can reach all the knobs and stuff...... :-D :-D :mrgreen:

Thats downright mean there Paul :-D Todd and I are not much taller than him in reality I am only 5'9"

Doc, Todd is 30, I am 42 and Scotty is somewhere in the next decade. We do have the fire wall demarcated.

Lets see bottle talk. Due to some design elements ala a conversation with Mr Burkland the wheelbase is locked where it is. We are running inline and have room above the legs, behind the driver and above/behind the engine as well as beside the parachute tubes in the rear nacalle.

Joe is smart. When we put something together, nothing gets hard welded until all engineering is done and EVERYTHING has been mounted! Tack welds are your buddy. I learn that every time I break my own rule :oops:

Anyone here have the ISP head restraints that wants to add to the discussion?
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on November 06, 2011, 10:37:43 AM
Trent, I have 1 ten pound bottle behind my seat in that triangular area. If you tape 2 oatmeal boxes end to end it replicates a ten pounder pretty well. I'm putting another ten pounder in the engine compartment mounted laterally also. It's a workout finding room for this stuff in a smallish car.  :-D Wayno

Is there any stipulation on protecting the bottles if they are in the engine area?
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on November 06, 2011, 10:43:35 AM
on the Ratical I  at one time had the fire bottles mounted one on top of the other,right behind my back, horizontally from side to side using the fire wall to mount them to

You have any pictures of that one?
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: SPARKY on November 06, 2011, 12:31:44 PM
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Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: 4-barrel Mike on November 06, 2011, 12:35:17 PM
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(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee171/4-BarrelMike/Miscellaneous%20stuff/rotfl.gif)

Mike
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Elmo Rodge on November 06, 2011, 01:58:17 PM
Trent, I have 1 ten pound bottle behind my seat in that triangular area. If you tape 2 oatmeal boxes end to end it replicates a ten pounder pretty well. I'm putting another ten pounder in the engine compartment mounted laterally also. It's a workout finding room for this stuff in a smallish car.  :-D Wayno

Is there any stipulation on protecting the bottles if they are in the engine area?
I'm checking on that this week. You didn't ask but here's a picture of my fire bottle.      o        Wayno
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Sideshow on November 06, 2011, 02:09:37 PM
Thought you said yours was a 10 pounder Wayno, looks like a 5 :?
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on November 06, 2011, 02:19:22 PM
                  / l
                 /Ol
  ________/_Ol

Should have figured stick figures from ya! :-P
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Captthundarr on November 06, 2011, 02:27:44 PM
Whats with the hockey stick Oh I??? :? :-D I get it :roll:
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Elmo Rodge on November 06, 2011, 03:29:40 PM
Thought you said yours was a 10 pounder Wayno, looks like a 5 :?
Oops. I should have added "Not to scale".  :-D Wayno
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Dr Goggles on November 06, 2011, 03:31:54 PM
Thought you said yours was a 10 pounder Wayno, looks like a 5 :?

yer lookin' at it end on.... :wink:
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on November 06, 2011, 03:33:00 PM
If I asked all the comedians to leave my thread I'd be the only one here!
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Peter Jack on November 06, 2011, 04:03:00 PM
That's how you build your thread to over 100 pages. Just ask Goggles. :-D :-D :-D

Pete
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on November 06, 2011, 04:07:46 PM
That's how you build your thread to over 100 pages. Just ask Goggles. :-D :-D :-D

Pete

I know!

Just looking at the ESS fire systems. We discussed them on anohter thread. And I discussed them with a tech inspector. I need to see how their metric measuring converts to #s. A phone call or two is in order. Their largest bottle is compact. I could fit 2 or 3 of their smaller ones and never know they are there.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Glen on November 06, 2011, 04:15:42 PM
SCTA states the sizes required as well as how many.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on November 06, 2011, 04:17:23 PM
SCTA states the sizes required as well as how many.

Yes I know but these bottles are listed in Metric. I also realize you folks don't really know me from Adam so there will be lots of questions, suggestions and good discussion.  I don't know the details yet on whether that is (ESS's) bottle size or amount of supresssant, and yes they are able to be SFI certified.  A call will be made to someone with the Orange hat on every move we make.

Here is a thread about the ESS, nothing real concise here except for Glens advice  :cheers:

http://www.landracing.com/forum/index.php/topic,10292.0.html
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Glen on November 06, 2011, 04:34:51 PM
TMAN, work with Joe Timney as his product is used by many and I don't know about ESS and availibility for refills or replacements when at the salt or other venues. In the event one got set off (accidently) you would want to find a replacement that is common to the racers if you needed to borrow one. (Planning ahead)
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on November 06, 2011, 04:36:56 PM
TMAN, work with Joe Timney as his product is used by many and I don't know about ESS and availibility for refills or replacements when at the salt or other venues. In the event one got set off (accidently) you would want to find a replacement that is common to the racers if you needed to borrow one. (Planning ahead)

Joe is one I planned to talk to. I tried to catch him at Speedweek but he was out on the course and his pits empty when I tried to find him. Common thing on Sat afternoon!
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Elmo Rodge on November 06, 2011, 06:48:59 PM
If I find there is a problem with the tank in the engine compartment I can fit 5s in the cockpit. I'll aprise you of my findings.  :cheers: Wayno
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on November 06, 2011, 06:54:37 PM
If I find there is a problem with the tank in the engine compartment I can fit 5s in the cockpit. I'll aprise you of my findings.  :cheers: Wayno

Thanks Wayno, I went out back in the "storage" Yard and cut some lengths of PVC the same size as a few of the fire bottles. Looks like we have more room than I thought. Glen, thanks for a great phone conversation! I take what you say serious.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on November 07, 2011, 05:12:53 PM
SO what IS the most common brand guys and gals are using? I have dug through about every thread in the seaarch I can find.

Glen, sent a note to Joe. Will call him when I get a chance.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on November 10, 2011, 12:35:02 AM
Some new pictures, our future driver studying,

(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/surlytman/lakester/001-7.jpg)

DIY lakester roll cage kit. We bent the rest of the tubes tonight! All are long with room to trim. Off to the steel shop for 2 more tubes tomorrow!


(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/surlytman/lakester/003-3.jpg)
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on November 12, 2011, 07:30:47 PM
Getting those tubes fit. Front helmet hoop is almost coped perfectly, hop to tack it tomorrow. This is fun! Note, this is ONLY A MOCKUP! the yardstick-ductape let things shift a bit. We do have the 3" from the helmet to the tube.


(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/surlytman/lakester/002-4.jpg)

(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/surlytman/lakester/003-4.jpg)
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Captthundarr on November 13, 2011, 09:19:11 AM
Is the yard stick legal? It looks like the tape will pass.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on November 13, 2011, 11:45:22 AM
Is the yard stick legal? It looks like the tape will pass.

It is oversize so I THINK I am ok? :-D

Joints are now dressed and tacked so I can fit the other tubes!
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on November 14, 2011, 10:45:12 AM
Hmm, looking at my goals and sketches of the car things grew upwards. Car is 8" taller than planned. Time for more fitting,adjustment.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Rex Schimmer on November 14, 2011, 11:58:45 AM
Tman.
It looks to me that you could bring the roll bar in closer and down closer to the helmet. Look at Jack Costella's cars for a good example of close fitting and low frontal area roll cage. With the divers shoulders pretty much enclosed by the upper rails do you really need the roll bar to be a double bend?

Rex
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on November 14, 2011, 12:10:04 PM
Tman.
It looks to me that you could bring the roll bar in closer and down closer to the helmet. Look at Jack Costella's cars for a good example of close fitting and low frontal area roll cage. With the divers shoulders pretty much enclosed by the upper rails do you really need the roll bar to be a double bend?

Rex

Yes, that is one option. Working by myself I have to wait until my brother can come out and help. I have many shots of Jacks and others cars spread out on the bench as reference. We can do single bends with the Hossfeld but went with the double to make egress easier. Plus I am still considering the ISP helmet retention foam. Lots of room to work with we just have to fine tune things. Tack welds are your friends!
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Rcktscientist on November 14, 2011, 03:57:09 PM
Tman, you have the right idea. I know everyone wants the smallest car possible for Aerodynamic drag, but safety comes first. There should be a mandate in the rules for helmet to cage clearance and requirement for Padding such as ISP. The small Aero drag penalty by having a slightly larger and much safer cage is negligible, especially in a Lakester where the tires will be a much larger contributor. With a well designed cockpit enclosure and design from the cockpit back (very important), the slightly larger cage should be insignificant. Just my opinion but I have designed and built fast cars and lost too many friends over the years due to head injuries.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on November 14, 2011, 04:09:18 PM
Tman, you have the right idea. I know everyone wants the smallest car possible for Aerodynamic drag, but safety comes first. There should be a mandate in the rules for helmet to cage clearance and requirement for Padding such as ISP. The small Aero drag penalty by having a slightly larger and much safer cage is negligible, especially in a Lakester where the tires will be a much larger contributor. With a well designed cockpit enclosure and design from the cockpit back (very important), the slightly larger cage should be insignificant. Just my opinion but I have designed and built fast cars and lost too many friends over the years due to head injuries.

Reading what John Force had to say when he first tested the ISP stuff is what got me to consider that route. Thanks for your input!
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Elmo Rodge on November 15, 2011, 05:40:52 PM
If I find there is a problem with the tank in the engine compartment I can fit 5s in the cockpit. I'll aprise you of my findings.  :cheers: Wayno

Thanks Wayno, I went out back in the "storage" Yard and cut some lengths of PVC the same size as a few of the fire bottles. Looks like we have more room than I thought. Glen, thanks for a great phone conversation! I take what you say serious.
Trent, I spoke with Frank Acosta from Deist at El Mirage on Saturday. He advised against mounting the bottles in the engine compartment because the heat cycling up and down has a tendency to turn the suppressant to fudge. (Not a direct qoute  :wink:) Hope this helps. Wayno
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on November 15, 2011, 05:43:51 PM
Thanks Wayne, I am looking at Glens idea of using space above our legs. I can fit one in the nose if need be.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on November 16, 2011, 12:45:00 AM
More measuring. After these pictures were shot I climbed in in full winter gear, much thicker that a -20 firesuit and still fit well. Top hoop is off for more fitting and time to bend seat formers.

(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/surlytman/lakester/001-9.jpg)

(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/surlytman/lakester/002-5.jpg)

Head back too far, need seat formers and support.

(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/surlytman/lakester/005-2.jpg)

Held head closer to real position, what is that fuzz under my chin? WTF? time to shave!

(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/surlytman/lakester/004-2.jpg)
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on November 16, 2011, 12:47:08 AM
And my knuckles look like a death grip from the fact I have no real back support! All fun, Carla, my wife shot these pictures and I think it sunk in to her what we are doing.  :-o
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: 4-barrel Mike on November 16, 2011, 12:51:36 AM
I'm glad she brought the camera back.  :cheers:

Mike
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on November 16, 2011, 12:59:30 AM
I'm glad she brought the camera back.  :cheers:

Mike

You do know I have a Banger block here for mockup as well?  :wink:
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on November 16, 2011, 01:07:02 AM
And after viewing that last shot I went and trimmed up my beard, that fur under the helmet was almost X rated!

I also want to thank ALL of you on the thread and in PMs as well as the phonecalls and in person meetings that have helped me with questions so far. This is an amazing group of racers/hotrodders and it is hard to find a bad one :wink: Behind the scenes I may talk to 2-3 LSR folks a week on the phone and probably as many in PMs. The internet is a cool thing. I hope some of the holdouts from the LSR community will take the time to start participating here online. Trent
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on November 16, 2011, 06:51:19 PM
Oh, Trent . . .

(http://i361.photobucket.com/albums/oo58/milwaukeemidget/DSCN4469.jpg)

 :wink:
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Elmo Rodge on November 16, 2011, 07:02:56 PM
Where's the P-38 Porter bottle?  :x Wayno
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on November 16, 2011, 07:04:41 PM
Where's the P-38 Porter bottle?  :x Wayno

Can't remember what happened to the bottle, but I know where the beer went.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on November 16, 2011, 07:55:59 PM
Thats a mighty fine spread Chris! I may be coming out on top of this deal.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Captthundarr on November 17, 2011, 08:30:55 AM
They all have caps on'em :-o
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on November 17, 2011, 09:46:00 AM
They all have caps on'em :-o

Good point, Frank.

Let's call the Doc - I'm thinking his brake drum removal tool might work for extracting the elixir.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Peter Jack on November 17, 2011, 09:49:27 AM
I'm guessing it was a tough chore. I would think that you had to buy at least a half dozen of each to extract the single bottle for Tman. If you need any help just call. :evil: :evil: :-D

Pete
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on November 17, 2011, 10:07:02 AM
I see how to get you guys fired up, post pictures of beer! I see only one of those brews, the one with the Hornet, that is available out here. Never had it however. Looking forward to it and will include a review for each one. ;)
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on November 17, 2011, 10:09:29 AM
I'm guessing it was a tough chore. I would think that you had to buy at least a half dozen of each to extract the single bottle for Tman. If you need any help just call. :evil: :evil: :-D

Pete

Here's to the Canadian-American alliance!  :cheers:

Trent, I think I don't have your addy.  Can you PM me?
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on November 17, 2011, 05:12:10 PM
OK, I will share these brews for anyone that stops by over the Christmas,New years break, since ya'll live so close :wink:
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on November 27, 2011, 01:50:45 PM
Made the Thanksgiving roadtrip to see family a working trip. Hauled the 261 parts back East to Tom so he could get started on his end of the thing. Spent the morning benchracing in his shop and had a great time. since we are 399 miles apart we finally had time to compare notes and I got him up to speed with my end of the project. He sent me home with the correct bellhousing and front mount to get the engine and tranny bolted in place. I also brought my rear wheel parts and Carlas uncle helped me press the centers into the hoops! We got them real close, this next week I will jig them up and true them with the dial indicator per JD's criteria then tack in place.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: 55chevr on November 27, 2011, 08:39:17 PM
Trent --- Photos ---

please
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on November 28, 2011, 11:54:02 PM
For Joe. got em on the jig tonight, VERY true. Will get the dial indicator set up this week and make em perfect.

(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/surlytman/lakester/001-10.jpg)
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on December 02, 2011, 05:46:30 PM
Oh, Trent . . .

(http://i361.photobucket.com/albums/oo58/milwaukeemidget/DSCN4469.jpg)

 :wink:

Last nights progress. Drank the Horny Goat Hopped up, 2nd from right  :cheers:
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on December 02, 2011, 06:38:20 PM
Chris, when you were out at the salt last year -- did you happen to buy any "Polygamy Porter"?  I don't know if it's available in Wendover, but for sure it is in SLC.  Nancy says it's not all that bad - considering it's named as a joke/tease. n The tag line on the label reads:  "Why have just one?"  There's another goofy-named beer from the same brewer - but I don't remember the name.  Whatever -- a bottle or two of those would be good for your collection, right?
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: fredvance on December 02, 2011, 06:49:26 PM
My crew was drinking "Moose Slobber" got it at the liquer? store in Wendover.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on December 02, 2011, 08:48:52 PM
Polygamy Porter and all the rest of the Wasatch beers are available up here, pretty good brews.

Moose Drool was a fav for some time as well.

Tonights flavor, New Glarus Laughing Fox 4th from the left then off to the shop to work on the cage.

Ordered the rest of the wheel parts for the fronts tonight. Tomorrow, testing out a new-to-me tow rig. 2002 Chevy Not as swanky as some of you drive but it meets our needs year round.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on December 02, 2011, 10:10:30 PM
Chris, when you were out at the salt last year -- did you happen to buy any "Polygamy Porter"?  

Bought the T-shirt for that one - a decent beer, but I'll take a bottle of Wayno's porter over that any day.

In fact, the first phone call I received from Dr. Goggles wound up going to my voice mail.  His last statement, with regard to Wayno's Porter, spoken in that smooth, quiet tone, complete with the elongated schwa on the "i' vowel, was -

"The porter is fine".

Trent, they just started canning the Sprecher Amber, and seeing as it travels better in cans than bottles, I'll slip you a couple when you reach impound - one for you, and one for Dan.

Or if you don't make it to impound, we'll just drink.

So do I have to have these latches installed before you plow through your 12 beers of Christmas?

Cheers!  :cheers:
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Elmo Rodge on December 02, 2011, 10:19:09 PM
Gladja enjoyed it.  :cheers: Wayno
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on December 02, 2011, 11:26:50 PM
Chris, when you were out at the salt last year -- did you happen to buy any "Polygamy Porter"?  

Bought the T-shirt for that one - a decent beer, but I'll take a bottle of Wayno's porter over that any day.

In fact, the first phone call I received from Dr. Goggles wound up going to my voice mail.  His last statement, with regard to Wayno's Porter, spoken in that smooth, quiet tone, complete with the elongated schwa on the "i' vowel, was -

"The porter is fine".

Trent, they just started canning the Sprecher Amber, and seeing as it travels better in cans than bottles, I'll slip you a couple when you reach impound - one for you, and one for Dan.

Or if you don't make it to impound, we'll just drink.

So do I have to have these latches installed before you plow through your 12 beers of Christmas?

Cheers!  :cheers:

OK, onto a third one after I smashed my had with the rubber mallet truing up the rear wheels. Got the dial indicator going, things are close for the first go around before tacking and I am bleeding all over the place. Note to self, do not hid said self repeatidly with a hammering device!

BTW, I love hoppy beers and Ambers, the Sprecher in cans sounds awesome! Impound or not, Dan can come find us!
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: bvillercr on December 03, 2011, 12:26:54 AM
Pictures of battle wounds are almost as good as build pictures.   :cheers:
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: SPARKY on December 03, 2011, 12:29:17 AM
OOOOh no you don't---dont try that with me BOOOZO  ---I am not showing my stupidity  to know one!!!!!
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on December 03, 2011, 12:52:37 AM
After the blood letting, damn my hands look bad!

(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/surlytman/lakester/004-3.jpg)

And the antiseptic! along with a great cookbook and my Christmas dinner menu!

(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/surlytman/lakester/005-3.jpg)
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: bvillercr on December 03, 2011, 12:58:18 AM
Damn!!  On the other hand it looks like a nice Chineese dinner. :-D
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on December 03, 2011, 01:01:49 AM
Dodge!!  On the other hand it looks like a nice Chineese dinner. :-D

from a Scot/Norwegian whiteboy none the less! I like cooking and drinks if you have not gathered that yet :wink:

We are also having ham and gravy and whatever my lil brother brings to the table
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on December 03, 2011, 01:25:14 AM
Try a little Midget wrestling sometime -

(http://i361.photobucket.com/albums/oo58/milwaukeemidget/Midget%20Build/DSCN3544.jpg)

Blood, sweat and beers, brother! :cheers:
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on December 03, 2011, 09:56:41 AM
Yeah Chris but after I slapped it the first time with the rubber mallet you would have thought I would have learned to NOT do it twice! :oops:
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: WOODY@DDLLC on December 03, 2011, 10:08:13 AM
Yeah Chris but after I slapped it the first time with the rubber mallet you would have thought I would have learned to NOT do it twice! :oops:

Once = Accident  :-(
Twice = Coincidence or repeatability study  :?
Third time = You really like it!  :-o
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Freud on December 03, 2011, 12:03:58 PM
The feel of the trauma is better felt with a short video.  Cross light it so the stream of blood sparkles.

It could be presented for A Can-o-me Award.  U-Tube would be a fine place to debut it.

FREUD
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Rex Schimmer on December 03, 2011, 12:18:38 PM
Just proves that you got to feed your hammer once and awhile. The reason I am a crummy carpenter.

Nice looking hands Chris!! I'll bet you don't use the lacquer thinner much.

Rex
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on December 03, 2011, 01:18:32 PM
The feel of the trauma is better felt with a short video.  Cross light it so the stream of blood sparkles.

It could be presented for A Can-o-me Award.  U-Tube would be a fine place to debut it.

FREUD

So true - and Slim's cuss filter doesn't work on an audio track.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on December 03, 2011, 03:20:53 PM
Test driving the new to me hauler. 2002 Chevy 4dr. Love this thing, might be time to deal. I have some practicle reasons for buying a truck and yes one of them is to pull a racecar........shhh Carla might hear. :-D
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on December 05, 2011, 03:56:21 PM
Returning the truck to my dealer friend tonight, too many little issues and my wallet has a tight clasp. We decided to cool it for a while, I started looking at builders figuring since I was getting into a project I might as well spend the same money on something newer!
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on December 07, 2011, 04:03:56 PM
Cant top the blood pics, but the rear wheels are trued and tacked. My front hoops should be here this week. Got the front helmet hoop tacked (for final?) and am getting ready to notch some other tubes. Will post pictures this week when I get a couple of them done. Busy playing dad to a 4 year old while Carla has band practice (Patsy Cline Tribute band, I like women that listen to both types of music, Country AND Western! :-D)
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on December 07, 2011, 04:07:52 PM
Remember that ALL music was once new. :-D

I hear that daily on a radio station to which I listen.  It's classical music and there's a little feature about this and that composer or composition -- and the two-minute little thing always ends with that (above) for a tag line.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: 55chevr on December 07, 2011, 04:54:34 PM
If you listen to a lot of Patsy Cline songs you might end up with clinical depression.     I love her voice but the lyrics are depressing.


Joe
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on December 07, 2011, 05:06:57 PM
If you listen to a lot of Patsy Cline songs you might end up with clinical depression.     I love her voice but the lyrics are depressing.


Joe

Piano above the shop, Carla practices most nights :-o
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: 55chevr on December 07, 2011, 05:09:24 PM
I have a neighbor that thinks he is a drummer, I wish he would take up the piano
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Dr Goggles on December 07, 2011, 06:05:15 PM
I have a neighbor that thinks he is a drummer, I wish he would take up the piano

See, that's where you're wrong Joe , that'd be like handing someone who can't shoot a machinegun.

You have to hit drums in time. With a piano you have to hit the right notes and you have to hit them in time....


if he's as bad as you say he'd come second to a startled cat in a piano competition. :wink:

BTW: I'll have none of this talking down about country music.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: 55chevr on December 07, 2011, 06:49:00 PM
D/G -- T/M ... Just for the record, I like country music and I like Patsy Cline ... I would just caution anyone that suffers from depression to not listen to her lyrics ... the results could be ugly.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on December 07, 2011, 07:57:23 PM
D/G -- T/M ... Just for the record, I like country music and I like Patsy Cline ... I would just caution anyone that suffers from depression to not listen to her lyrics ... the results could be ugly.

Compared to say the cheery music of The Cure? :-D
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on December 07, 2011, 08:00:50 PM
OK, serious question time. The two helmet bars that pass over my head and go down to the shoulder bar behind the driver. Most folks do them drag car style and run them only down to the shoulder hoop. I bent mine with a long end and want to run them all the way to the frame in one run but notching them where they intersect the shoulder hoop. Tony has them this way in his drawing and I feel they are stronger this way. Any input?
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Peter Jack on December 08, 2011, 12:10:00 AM
Sounds good to me Trent. The structure should be stronger.

Jon, I like your taste in music but I think that probably puts you and I in the minority! :-D :-D :-D

Pete
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: NathanStewart on December 10, 2011, 01:53:38 AM
trent, is someone taller than you going to be driving?  if not then you might consider bringing that front hoop down a smidge.  maybe one o.d.'s worth at the flat section between the two bends.  looks like you've got plenty (too much) room to work with.

hate to see you waste tubing but i think a full mock up of spare or scrap material may help you to see how much room you really have.  i usually build a mock up cage piece by piece, bend by bend out of cheap exhaust tubing.  then take your finished multi-piece section over to the bender and copy it with the real material. 

just a thought.  looks good nonetheless.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: SPARKY on December 10, 2011, 08:19:08 AM
      If you listen to a lot of Patsy Cline songs you might end up with clinical depression.   :cry:    I love her voice but the lyrics are depressing :cry:

I agree with you assement of PC---most of George "NO SHOW" Jones stuffis the same!!

I call it "whiney gri-nee,  you done me wrong" --beer joint songs  :?
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on December 10, 2011, 03:38:01 PM
trent, is someone taller than you going to be driving?  if not then you might consider bringing that front hoop down a smidge.  maybe one o.d.'s worth at the flat section between the two bends.  looks like you've got plenty (too much) room to work with.

hate to see you waste tubing but i think a full mock up of spare or scrap material may help you to see how much room you really have.  i usually build a mock up cage piece by piece, bend by bend out of cheap exhaust tubing.  then take your finished multi-piece section over to the bender and copy it with the real material. 

just a thought.  looks good nonetheless.

My brother is a touch taller and we are looking to run the ISP padding on the sides and above the helmet. That said, there is always a reason things are only TACKED. I would like to drop it a couple inches, may just take you up on that since we have room to spare under that plywood. Thanks
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on December 12, 2011, 11:14:17 PM
Got the front wheel hoops today, MAN ARE THEY NICE! As I was tapping the centers in I realized I could control backspacing and get my scrub radius (something I read on here) better. That is if I knew what teh hell it was about. Did a search, think I know what I am doing but not going to tack these together until I got a good grasp on the concept. Anyone?
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Geo on December 12, 2011, 11:52:45 PM
Yep, just did mine this summer.  Chalk marks all over the floor. Found the answer to a twenty year question I had as to why the first few years of production called for toe in rather than toe out for all the later years.

There is a line that goes through the piviot points of the front upright.  Spindle rotating line with ball joints or kingpin.  This somewhat verticle line intersects the ground (floor) plane.  The scrub radius is where the centerline of the wheel (tire) meets the floor and if it is inside the piviot point floor intersection at the same point or outside the piviot intersection point.  Seems to not matter unless parking without power steering (no matter to me) or braking!!  :-o That matters a lot.

As you have found it may be easy to set and adjust if you get the wheel center backspacing figured out.  Place the car at ride height.  Run something like a straight edge, length of rod, string along the top to bottom balljoint and on to the floor.  Mark this point.  Place a verticle straight edge on the hub face and mark the floor. See how close you are to the piviot mark. Mark the inner and out points of the wheel width on the floor at positive or no scrub offset or negative offset.  You will now be able to figure the wheel center placement or wheel offset.  Make adjustments if you want to allow for spacer adjustment.

Geo
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on December 13, 2011, 02:35:04 PM
Thanks Geo, I looked at a sketch by hotshue and confirmed what I was thinking. Since I am building my own axle and wheels I should be able to kep it at Zero or reall darn close!
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: landspeed55 on December 14, 2011, 08:03:46 PM
Sounds like you have been busy. Any up to date photos?
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on December 15, 2011, 10:04:35 AM
Sounds like you have been busy. Any up to date photos?

Nothing that looks any different. Will try and come up with a shot or two.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: JimL on December 15, 2011, 10:31:42 PM
Zero scrub can sometimes result in "zero feel".  This pic shows typical rear drive scrub compared to typical front drive scrub.  If you choose zero scrub, you may have to put in more toe to keep linkage tolerance reactions in check (for rear wheel drive).  It can sometimes make for difficult steering decisions, when the front wheels are hunting different directions at the same time. 

This happens because the true scrub radius is never constant, unless you run on a billiard table.  If both are a little positive (while "pushing" the front wheels), you'll feel changes in surface drag and smoothness as true pull-feedback in the steering wheel.

This can be useful for the driver.

Regards, JimL
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on December 15, 2011, 10:43:39 PM
Thanks for that info Jim! nothing on the fronts is tacked, I think I will be a tad positive anyway looking at the components mocked up. Learn something new every day  :cheers:
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on December 15, 2011, 10:52:56 PM
More parts pictures. Wheels in question going together.

Previsously posted

(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/surlytman/lakester/001-10.jpg)

New hoops from Rally America, Jimmy Mclean

(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/surlytman/lakester/009-1.jpg)

Fronts almost ready to tackweld, need the dial indicator this weekend. and a rear ready for my welder pal

(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/surlytman/lakester/010-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on December 15, 2011, 10:57:31 PM
What I did. I had one REAL nice set of 5x15 wheels. My QC uses wide 5 for the rear so I drilled out the rivets on my set of wheels and saved the 5" hoops for the new Bart wide 5 centers, they are OK centers but I would have been better off having centers cut like Hotshue did (had I seen his post beforehand!). So, 5" hoops for my rears with new centers. This left the Ford centers with 5.5 BP that I needed for the fronts. Since I could not find any good 5 inchers to sacrifice AND my M&H choice for front likes the 4.5s better, I ordered the hoops from Jimmy. Clear as mud? Sometimes checkbook hotrodding would be a heck of a lot quicker and prob cheaper!
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Peter Jack on December 15, 2011, 11:50:31 PM
I've always liked somewhere between .250"and .5" positive to keep all the front linkages loaded, then use a bare minimum of toe in, especially with radials. The other thing to consider, although it's not really a heavy consideration in lsr is to ensure that if there is any bump steer that it goes to toe out in bump. If it goes to toe in it causes a continuing series of corrections leading to unstable handling.

Pete
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on December 16, 2011, 02:44:16 AM
Thsnks PJ, we are going rigid to start so should be no bumpsteer.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on December 20, 2011, 10:53:15 PM
Nothing photo-worthy but the wheels are tacked and ready for final welding! Small victories but one item each time you hit the shop will see it through. I have the front and rear suspension mounts designed. They are modular and allow height adjustment as well as going from rigid to 4 bar. Time to buy more steel..........sounds like an ongoing theme! :-o
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: gas pumper on December 21, 2011, 11:24:19 AM
Tman, does your wheel center to hoop need to be welded 360 degrees?   Or is that a detail related to the speed the car needs to be legal for?

Frank
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on December 21, 2011, 12:22:51 PM
Tman, does your wheel center to hoop need to be welded 360 degrees?   Or is that a detail related to the speed the car needs to be legal for?

Frank

Fully welded, I will be taking them to a good fabricator friend and have him Tig them up. If you are asking about the fronts with the Ford centers (with the gaps) I asked on that and was told they were fine if fully welded. If not, I have an awesome set for the front of my Tudor!
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on December 24, 2011, 12:57:10 AM
Working on problem solving, Speed Demon comes to mind for many issues. Mockup, Todds caopies is in my favorites.

(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/surlytman/lakester/002-6.jpg)
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Peter Jack on December 24, 2011, 02:01:51 AM
Just a thought Trent. Once you get just a little further along why don't you call them and see if they already have a mould for an existing canopy, probably from a homebuilt, that could be made to fit your application. That way you wouldn't have to spend the time and effort of doing a special mould for your project and access to spares would be easier.

Pete
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on December 24, 2011, 10:13:34 AM
Just a thought Trent. Once you get just a little further along why don't you call them and see if they already have a mould for an existing canopy, probably from a homebuilt, that could be made to fit your application. That way you wouldn't have to spend the time and effort of doing a special mould for your project and access to spares would be easier.

Pete

Todds website shows an in-stock canopy that looks like a perfec fit :wink: :cheers:
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on December 27, 2011, 10:24:23 PM
OK, no more wood blocks and am working on what I want for diagonals! The PVC is to mockup the fire bottles

(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/surlytman/lakester/004-4.jpg)
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on December 28, 2011, 11:16:00 PM
Email to Todd, he replied, measurements on the way tomorrow! We shall see.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on December 30, 2011, 12:12:30 AM
Working on the semi-pierced rear helmet bars. missed it by 1/2" witht the first try, back to the Hossfelt tomorrow and we will get it. Spent some time on the phone today with Joe Timney about fire bottles. I will highly recomendd him based on input from other racers and the 30 minutes I spent on the phone with him today. He answered questions I had before I even needed to ask him. Thats cool! :cheers:

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(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/surlytman/lakester/003-7.jpg)

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Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: 38flattie on December 30, 2011, 05:18:14 AM
It's looking good, Trent! :cheers:
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on December 31, 2011, 05:06:02 PM
Thanks Buddy! Got two matching tubes cut, almost ready just need a little tweaking. Time to cut some uprights.

(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/surlytman/lakester/001-13.jpg)
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: NathanStewart on January 03, 2012, 12:46:28 AM
happy new year trent.  i owe you a phone call.  hope to give you a ring this week.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on January 11, 2012, 11:02:33 PM
Got what I call the "dash bar" bent and cut. The tape above the shoulder hoop will be a tube that ties the two together. I am still playing with ideas for the main frame uprights ad diagonals between the lower rails and the shoulder bar.

(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/surlytman/lakester/003-8.jpg)
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on January 14, 2012, 09:54:37 PM
Did a bunch of shop cleaning among other things and finally got the block up on the rails, time for some fun stuff!


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(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/surlytman/lakester/002-10.jpg)

One of our drivers requested a drink holder. I offer up two choices, Stainless and Aluminum ;)

(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/surlytman/lakester/001-14.jpg)
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: WOODY@DDLLC on January 14, 2012, 11:08:52 PM
Aluminum is lighter but we should do an FEA study first!

That's Fluid Entry Assessment and not with diet coke!!  :-D
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on January 14, 2012, 11:22:27 PM
Aluminum is lighter but we should do an FEA study first!

That's Fluid Entry Assessment and not with diet coke!!  :-D

Well, my pal Scotty that is one of our team does not drink so I grabbed the only thing in recycling that was NA. And thats NOT Normally Aspirated!
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Stainless1 on January 14, 2012, 11:37:12 PM

One of our drivers requested a drink holder. I offer up two choices, Stainless and Aluminum ;)


OK, I don't know about this aluminum guy but I'm not holding any one's coke  :-o but if your bud wants to hold my beer, I'll drive  :cheers:
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on January 14, 2012, 11:38:42 PM

One of our drivers requested a drink holder. I offer up two choices, Stainless and Aluminum ;)


OK, I don't know about this aluminum guy but I'm not holding any one's coke  :-o but if your bud wants to hold my beer, I'll drive  :cheers:

Knew that one was coming! DOH!
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 14, 2012, 11:45:19 PM
 Just don't put your coke anywhere near my ice.

Now, Tman... why didn't you run that down tube on the front hoop right to the rail?
(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/surlytman/lakester/002-10.jpg)
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on January 14, 2012, 11:57:09 PM
Just don't put your coke anywhere near my ice.

Now, Tman... why didn't you run that down tube on the front hoop right to the rail?
(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/surlytman/lakester/002-10.jpg)

Thats one of those tough calls. Since most of our body parts are strung out forward of that juncture I decided to run the shoulder hoop continuous to the front. If you look at the previous tape experiments ther are a few tubes we are adding to tie that one in pretty solid. If this was a roadster or more of a sit-up car I would have run it all the way to the frame.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on January 19, 2012, 11:50:13 PM
Front axle is here! Went with a dropped axle for several reasons, one is, this car is LOW with 22" M&H front tires. Looks wide in the picture but track is 44"

(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/surlytman/lakester/001-15.jpg)


Special thanks to Matt Legare at www.lakeheaders.com for the axle.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Peter Jack on January 20, 2012, 05:25:56 AM
Correct the link to www.lakeheaders.com .

Thanks Trent. It's a neat site and wasn't hard to figure out.

Pete
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on January 20, 2012, 10:11:58 AM
Correct the link to www.lakeheaders.com .

Thanks Trent. It's a neat site and wasn't hard to figure out.

Pete

Thanks PJ, if we didn't have the 4 hour editing window I could go back and fix my post :? :roll:
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: SPARKY on January 20, 2012, 10:33:26 AM
time warp  :-o
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on January 20, 2012, 03:23:58 PM
time warp  :-o

You mean my axle and wide track?  8-) Thats the hotrodder in me.

Looking for ideas on how to mount the axle to the front. Plan so far is 2x3 uprights with DOM bungs. The axle will have 2 plates per side to mount double shear on the uprights. Trying to decide if I want adjustment for caster and how to do it. I have some sketches done up with two-three sets of bolt holes allowing adjustment from say 8-15 degrees. Time to make some cardboard patterns and see if it will work.  :cheers:
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on January 20, 2012, 03:24:40 PM
time warp  :-o

Oh, I get it! I see your edit, thanks! :cheers:
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on January 21, 2012, 11:06:08 PM
An evening of sanding tube juctions and fitting a compound joint got me here.

(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/surlytman/lakester/001-16.jpg)

First tube is tacked in place. HUGE MOMENT :cheers:
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on January 28, 2012, 08:28:50 PM
Working on the glass nose I started 13 months ago. Ready to pull a splash off it this week. Beeswax is one of my favorite things, don't know what mold release is but pretty sure my old standby wax will work.  :roll: Got the thing coated, ready to work on my layup. This will be one of the few glass part on the car for fire resistance.

(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/surlytman/lakester/002-11.jpg)

(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/surlytman/lakester/001-17.jpg)
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 28, 2012, 10:50:49 PM
(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/surlytman/lakester/001-17.jpg)

do ya mind if I drop my ironing off?
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on January 29, 2012, 12:48:26 AM
(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/surlytman/lakester/001-17.jpg)

do ya mind if I drop my ironing off?

Forget extra starch, Beeswax is where its at!
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: WOODY@DDLLC on January 29, 2012, 10:23:02 AM
Tman, I've got these wrinkled shop rags..................... :-D
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Peter Jack on January 29, 2012, 10:49:50 AM
They'll be really nice and smooth Woody but I doubt they'll pick up much with all that beeswax in them! :? :? :? :evil:

Pete
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on February 01, 2012, 08:18:37 PM
Got my troubled tube tacked in place and now onto the side bars. Got a call into ISP today to order the head restraint. Waiting for a call back about a question I have. Also, the Brown Santa brought my first piece of safety gear! Some swanky Piloti driving boots. The quality of the leather is amazing.

(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/surlytman/lakester/001-18.jpg)
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on February 07, 2012, 01:12:10 AM
OK, I SWEAR I will not shoot a pic of every tube! Bute the cage is getting there.


(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/surlytman/lakester/002-12.jpg)


(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/surlytman/lakester/001-19.jpg)
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on February 09, 2012, 02:20:24 AM
I lied, I AM taking shots of every tube only because I work so damn slow! Here is the tube I call a "tie bar" that keeps my knuckles from finding earth. Bottom is coped, upper end needs to be trimmed so thing settle down a couple inches.

(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/surlytman/lakester/002-13.jpg)

(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/surlytman/lakester/001-20.jpg)
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Stainless1 on February 09, 2012, 09:53:36 AM
T, now is a good time to put some roll bar padding above the helmet to ensure you have a enough clearance and them check for 120 degrees of forward vision.  I would tack in those bars where you think they should be, put in a seat height base and back, then put on the helmet, climb in look around and climb out.  Suggest doing this a lot from this point on.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on February 09, 2012, 10:10:22 AM
T, now is a good time to put some roll bar padding above the helmet to ensure you have a enough clearance and them check for 120 degrees of forward vision.  I would tack in those bars where you think they should be, put in a seat height base and back, then put on the helmet, climb in look around and climb out.  Suggest doing this a lot from this point on.


Thanks, yes, I am doing that. Next step will be to add my backrest and lower tubes so I can pinpoint the seating. . I also have a call into ISP and am going to use their padding system. Their website has a very detailed form on the measurements they need to build a custom system.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Buickguy3 on February 09, 2012, 01:44:22 PM
   Trent, Where is this technology when we need it?
      http://youtu.be/yigRgG_NIyU

   Doug :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on February 09, 2012, 02:34:22 PM
   Trent, Where is this technology when we need it?
      http://youtu.be/yigRgG_NIyU

   Doug :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

I have watched that before, man would that be nice!!!!!!!! Looks like some pretty high quality tubing as well. Very cool.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on February 10, 2012, 02:46:35 PM
I just spent a few VERY INFORMATIVE minutes talking to Bill at ISP Safety. I can already tell what a top notch company these guys are going to be to work with. Thanks to Charles for putting me in touch with them!

 http://ispseats.com/

They will be working with us in designing the helmet support as well as other aspects of driver compartment safety such as our poured seat and some other padding I schemed up. I know several other teams use their products such as Poteet and Main but is nice to know some dude in the middle of nowhere can call up and get the same or better treatment as Force or any of the NASCAR teams!!!

It is little victories like these that keep me pushing forward, I feel smarter than I was 30 minutes ago :-D
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on February 11, 2012, 01:00:10 PM
Got started on the aluminum base pieces last night. Minutes after talked to Bill at ISP I stumbled upon some .090 al drops at the tool surplus. Just what he said to use! So we are bending up the parts and fitting the other tubes today :cheers: These will get bent up and then sent in to ISP for covering. Still need to decide is we are using tabs or bungs to mount the panels. I do not know if there are pros for one or the other?

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Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Stainless1 on February 11, 2012, 01:16:34 PM
Tabs with thru-bolts would be my vote, anything you blind bolt into will get salt in it, corrode and freeze your bolt in place.  Feel free to ask how I know  :|  :x  :-o  if you can't figure it out
 :cheers:
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on February 11, 2012, 01:19:00 PM
Tabs with thru-bolts would be my vote, anything you blind bolt into will get salt in it, corrode and freeze your bolt in place.  Feel free to ask how I know  :|  :x  :-o  if you can't figure it out
 :cheers:

That was a lingering thought I had as I typed that! Thanks again.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: RayTheRat on February 11, 2012, 02:31:22 PM
Lookin good, man!
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: SPARKY on February 11, 2012, 07:47:13 PM
LOVE those drops---scrap prices  :-D
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on February 11, 2012, 08:30:54 PM
LOVE those drops---scrap prices  :-D

I paid a little more than I wanted but walked out with a few pounds of stuff to tide me by.

Also spent time on the chassis today but since it was aluminum day I grabbed an engine turned chunk I was doing to my Tudor, decided it needed to become the dash for this one.

(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/surlytman/lakester/011-2.jpg)

(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/surlytman/lakester/010-2.jpg)

(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/surlytman/lakester/012-2.jpg)

Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Stainless1 on February 11, 2012, 10:16:39 PM
You racing on the salt or profiling.... way too many things planned in that dash, you will be lucky to get a peek at the tach....  :roll: OK just kidding all those gauges will be useful during warm ups before the runs.  OK back to work on the cage, you won't need a dash for a while.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Jack Gifford on February 12, 2012, 12:15:04 AM
Tman- you do your own "engine turning"? Do you use abrasives or rubber or what?
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on February 12, 2012, 09:49:14 AM
You racing on the salt or profiling.... way too many things planned in that dash, you will be lucky to get a peek at the tach....  :roll: OK just kidding all those gauges will be useful during warm ups before the runs.  OK back to work on the cage, you won't need a dash for a while.

Nobody ever told Big John Mazmanian his cars LOOKED TOO GOOD! :-D Besides, I had the aluminum mostely turned for my Tudor before I lost patience. I just scribbled some guages on the template for looks. It WILL have several guages, tach and shift light the main one. And, they will be aligned so the all point UP when in the proper range so a person doesnt have too hard. Like you said, mostly for warmup, may just have a couple oh schit lights for the driver to worry about.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on February 12, 2012, 09:52:12 AM
Tman- you do your own "engine turning"? Do you use abrasives or rubber or what?

I do my own using CRATEX sticks from a machine tool supply. I did a bunch of tests a couple winters back using these, scotchbrite and madrels,sandpaper in various grits, emery papaer and mandrels etc...............the Cratex produced the best most consistant finish. I bulit a table for the drillpress and used index lines to keep the pattern. I have a tech of it on the HAMB somewhere. Fun stuff  but takes too much time for me.

But hey, ALL the old racecars had turned panels!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :cheers:
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Ron Gibson on February 12, 2012, 02:26:28 PM
Tman
 Went to Cratex site and got confused. :?  Which abrasive grit did you use and how was it held for use?
 Going to look cool, if cool counts.

Ron
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on February 12, 2012, 02:41:47 PM
Tman
 Went to Cratex site and got confused. :?  Which abrasive grit did you use and how was it held for use?
 Going to look cool, if cool counts.

Ron

I just looked, this batch is not actual Cratex brand. These are a MED grit, you want swirls not deep scratches.  It is SPI Rubberized abrasives. Swiss Precision Instruments, Garden Grove CA. These are 1/2" rubberized abrasive pencils, basically a long eraser type rubber with the abrasives impregnated in it. I simply chuck these in my drill press, if you keep a tiny amount exposed they don't wiggle. I also use a spray bottle of water or some WD 40 to lube as I go.

I also have some 1" abrasive with a metal mandrel to chuck up, they work really well. I ordered all of these through my local machine tool supply.

Here is a great site for inspiration.

http://www.artmetal.com/images/dw_eldredge/2006/08/engine_turning

Here is a good thread where a bunch of us were discussing and experimenting with different techniques.

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=454150&highlight=engine+turning
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on February 15, 2012, 06:21:01 PM
Tman- you do your own "engine turning"? Do you use abrasives or rubber or what?

Here is another great site I had bookmarked on another computer.

http://www.cs.ucr.edu/~eamonn/et/et.htm
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on February 25, 2012, 12:37:19 AM
Well, we have the "knuckle bars fitted as well as som of teh stuff under our asses.

Not much but progress. I also scored a fuel cell today for half my dealer cost. Yes Dealer. I haqve started a Hotrod/custom/performance parts business and looking forward to the future. My 20 years in retail, several of those in the persormance buiness makes me exited to get back working with racers and hot rodders. Slim, I hope to talk ad rates soon! :cheers:

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Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: landspeed55 on February 25, 2012, 12:52:46 AM
Hey Tman,
Great looking fit up on the cage!! I am a welding inspector by trade and fit up for critical welds are a real important thing. Keep up the good work! :cheers:

Brad
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on February 25, 2012, 01:26:19 AM
Hey Tman,
Great looking fit up on the cage!! I am a welding inspector by trade and fit up for critical welds are a real important thing. Keep up the good work! :cheers:

Brad

Thank you! I have cut tubes and redone them to get a decent fit. My mentor and pal Randy at is doing the final weld on al of them and I don't want to hear his wrath!@
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: SPARKY on February 25, 2012, 09:14:55 AM
I have redone a few my self over time :?--still doing it
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on February 25, 2012, 12:20:16 PM
I have redone a few my self over time :?--still doing it

Yeah, as I get better at fitting these I find one I did a few weeks ago and decide I don't like the fit. I bought the third? stick of 1 5/8" yesterday, should be in the home stretch! My waste is a handfull of tiny cut offs so far so I feel pretty good.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on February 26, 2012, 12:51:51 AM
Picked up my score of a fuel cell. NOS and been sitting in a guys garage. Smokin deal, half off wholesale!

(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/surlytman/lakester/002-14.jpg)

(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/surlytman/lakester/001-21.jpg)

Plan is to have the water tank wrap around and UNDER this tank. They will be above the tranny/QC with a blast shield protecting them.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on February 26, 2012, 01:23:06 PM
I am ITCHING to glass the nose but am holding off until I can open up the shop for the fumes (attached shop) But I got the plug down to help get some measurements. Still working on the rear body/component layout but as it sets, the car is somewhere between 17 or closer to 19 feet nose to tail.

(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/surlytman/lakester/001-22.jpg)
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on February 26, 2012, 01:30:25 PM
Visualizing body shape AGAIN. Room for firebottles above my legs for Glen!

(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/surlytman/lakester/003-10.jpg)
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on February 26, 2012, 07:38:36 PM
Between plastering straw bale walls and family time I got the front motor mount tacked in place.

(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/surlytman/lakester/004-8.jpg)

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Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on March 02, 2012, 10:30:23 AM
Last night I got 4 more uprights cut and fit. That means all that is left for the drivers compartment are the helmet side hoops and the lower diagonals!
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: 55chevr on March 02, 2012, 10:42:30 AM
You are on a roll ... measure twice - cut once ... Joe
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on March 02, 2012, 11:34:55 AM
You are on a roll ... measure twice - cut once ... Joe


Thanks Joe. Paying for it today however. Need to keep the dustmax on for ALL cuts, stuffed up like you can't imagine today!
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on March 04, 2012, 10:21:00 PM
OK, here are the last 4 main uprights. I have the diagonals layed out in tape, let me know what you think. My main goals are keeping the driver IN the car AND keeping the car from folding in half like an accordian.

(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/surlytman/lakester/001-23.jpg)
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: saltwheels262 on March 05, 2012, 05:03:17 PM
instead of the long piece of green tape, why not a v shape in that's space also?

bf
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on March 06, 2012, 01:06:40 AM
instead of the long piece of green tape, why not a v shape in that's space also?

bf

I am assuming you mean the front piece of tape? The area is acutally shorter than the camera makes it look.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: saltwheels262 on March 06, 2012, 04:42:39 AM
instead of the long piece of green tape, why not a v shape in that's space also?

bf

I am assuming you mean the front piece of tape? The area is acutally shorter than the camera makes it look.


okay, it was just a thought.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: krusty on March 06, 2012, 08:23:58 AM
Trent, are the driver's feet in the area near the front of that forward section (where there appears to be a piece of cardboard)? If so, tech will want to see some method of keeping the driver's foot inside the cockpit. It appears that you"ll need add something more than the diagonal to ensure retention.  I installed a tube  from the diagonal to the forward  upright about midway between the frame rail and the upper rail.     vic
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on March 06, 2012, 11:03:06 AM
Trent, are the driver's feet in the area near the front of that forward section (where there appears to be a piece of cardboard)? If so, tech will want to see some method of keeping the driver's foot inside the cockpit. It appears that you"ll need add something more than the diagonal to ensure retention.  I installed a tube  from the diagonal to the forward  upright about midway between the frame rail and the upper rail.     vic

Thanks for the input. Originally our feet fell in front of the upright but I need to cut the seat back supports and re-check fit since our seating position changed as the car evolved. I may very well have to do something in that area.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: landspeed55 on March 06, 2012, 07:58:41 PM
You suffering from lack of sleep yet?  Looking good...
BB
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Stainless1 on March 06, 2012, 08:47:05 PM
Use  your plasma cutter and make an inner liner from .060 - .090 steel and stitch weld the pieces between the tubes to form an enclosure that will not only keep you in but keep other stuff out.  Option B build an aluminum seat pan in pieces that goes all the way forward past the feet and dzus it in. 
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: SPARKY on March 06, 2012, 09:31:15 PM
If you reverse the front diagonal it will be in tension instead of compression ---prob. a moot point
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on March 06, 2012, 10:21:43 PM
Stainless, yes on the steel liner, regardless of the tube config.

Sparky, the next section forward has one more diagonal going the other way. My thoughts as I layed things out came too........6 one way 1/2 dozen another? :? I see so many different layouts that it is crazy.

landspeed. naw, I sleep at the day job :wink: Thanks to all for the ideas and input.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on March 12, 2012, 11:36:13 PM
Got my othe Quickchange delivered today! Like new inside with rear gears that give me high 2s or low 3s? This was bought from a clubmember down south. I am very happy, now I can figure out the back of the frame and rear end mounts!
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on March 31, 2012, 10:41:02 PM
First coat of glass on the nose, I held off waiting for days when it was warm and I could open the shop...............heck, my cooking stinks more that the resin!

2 wrinkles, never done this before.

(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/surlytman/lakester/008-3.jpg)

(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/surlytman/lakester/008-3.jpg)
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Jon on March 31, 2012, 10:56:00 PM
If you draped that in one bit and only got 2 wrinkles you have to be happy.

Is that the finished size or a mold that your making Tman?

cheers
jon
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on March 31, 2012, 11:06:03 PM
Hoping to just do a couple splashes off the plug. No mold. We will see. You can see a right-left line towards the front where I cut loose a piece of mat and did it in two pieces. Looked like I could have done it in one and hindsight says I prob could have but I have no clue what I am doing save for a couple write-ups I have read here and the notes on the can of Resin!!!!!!

Jon, the next layers will be done in about 8" wide strips and layed up criss-crossing in diagonals unless someone tells me a better way?
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Jon on April 01, 2012, 04:05:29 AM
The only fiberglass attempt that hasn't caught on fire is the body plug in my build.

I bought a book off fleabay that I read.
I drape the cloth dry until I'm happy with it.
I got a roll each of 0/90 degree and 45/45 degree and was planning on alternating layers.
When I was happy with the cloth lay I just started at one end wetting it up with a dabbing action with a 1" brush.
Apparently any more resin than just enough to wet up the cloth is just adding weight and no extra strength.


Cheers
jon.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on April 01, 2012, 11:00:21 PM
First layer ended up being 3 wrinkles. Got the second and third done tonight.

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Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: 38flattie on April 02, 2012, 07:36:23 PM
Trent, I'm curious as to how you decided on the nose 'cone' shape? The sides all appear flat, and I would expect a cone, or bullet shape- of course, I know didly about aero though!

Is this a design you liked, copied of off another car, was suggested to you, or.....?


The build is looking good!
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on April 02, 2012, 07:52:00 PM
Trent, I'm curious as to how you decided on the nose 'cone' shape? The sides all appear flat, and I would expect a cone, or bullet shape- of course, I know didly about aero though!

Is this a design you liked, copied of off another car, was suggested to you, or.....?


The build is looking good!

I answered you on the HAMB as well. It deveolped after looking at several cars and such. Shape started as sketches and evolved from there. Yes, the car is rather flat sided. It will run on the ground and be flat bottom.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: 55chevr on April 02, 2012, 08:06:17 PM
I like it ...

Joe
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on April 02, 2012, 10:23:18 PM
I like it ...

Joe

Thanks Joe, did some trimming and it looks good. Only 1/3 to 1/2 the layers I need. How thick SHOULD I make this thing?

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(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/surlytman/lakester/002-17.jpg)

(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/surlytman/lakester/003-11.jpg)

Last picture, below, is taken from 3" off the deck. This is full on frontal.

(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/surlytman/lakester/004-9.jpg)
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on April 15, 2012, 06:28:49 PM
Looks similar but I am up to 3 or 4 layers on the nose. Fighting a cold so the fumes are not bad! Wonder how many layers it takes til I get the right thickness? I feel for Jon and his streamliner! :-o
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: 55chevr on April 15, 2012, 08:27:23 PM
criss cross the layers and it will stiffen up ... thickness not as critical as stiffness ... you will feel it ...
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Elmo Rodge on April 15, 2012, 09:11:37 PM
How thick is it now? Wayno
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on April 15, 2012, 10:22:01 PM
Getting there, a good day of Rockies Baseball and laminating
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Stainless1 on April 16, 2012, 10:47:08 AM
When it is thick enough to sit on without buckling it will probably be enough

What is your B/L ratio?



(unfamiliar with this fiberglassing term?  Beers to Layers)
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on April 16, 2012, 03:16:12 PM
When it is thick enough to sit on without buckling it will probably be enough

What is your B/L ratio?



(unfamiliar with this fiberglassing term?  Beers to Layers)

B/L=5, I think.........................

Right now it is about 3-4mm thick at its thickest. Got a ways to go.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Jon on April 16, 2012, 03:25:49 PM
Looking good Tman

How much support will it have?

Are you putting the cloth on at different angles between layers?

What weight cloth are you using?
Mine is quite heavy, will try and find the invoice.

Cheers
jon
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Elmo Rodge on April 16, 2012, 03:51:43 PM
Trent, why do you think you hsve a ways to go?  If you're at 4 mm I'd call it good. Unless of course you're figuring on hanging suspension bit from it.  :-D My tanks have a nominal thickness of 4 mm.  Wayno
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on April 16, 2012, 05:18:27 PM
Looking good Tman

How much support will it have?

Are you putting the cloth on at different angles between layers?

What weight cloth are you using?
Mine is quite heavy, will try and find the invoice.

Cheers
jon


This is the stuff I am using http://www.evercoat.com/productDetail.aspx?pID=48   Yes, I am laying them up in alternating directions.


Wayno, it is only that thick in a couple spots. only a 3rd through this layer.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Elmo Rodge on April 16, 2012, 06:42:43 PM
If you make that nose thick enough we can film an episode of "Cone Hunt".   :cheers:  Wayno
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on April 16, 2012, 08:02:44 PM
Just got home and looked. I am actually closer to 2mm thick so I  definately need more. It is a flexi flyer right now.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on April 17, 2012, 01:19:07 AM
Still working on the nose, last nights photos.

(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/surlytman/lakester/001-26.jpg)

Also working on the dive brakes/air brakes, think Dauntless or Stuka Dive Bombers. Real RCR goodies bought from Tony's stash. I am sure he has a F1 Car in his attic!@ :evil:

(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/surlytman/lakester/003-12.jpg)

(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/surlytman/lakester/002-18.jpg)
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: maguromic on April 17, 2012, 10:44:20 PM
Trent, the build is looking good.  Now I see what you wanted those flaps for. Are you going to have an air siren like the Stuka dive bombers? :cheers:  Might be interesting to see some of the photo guys and gals faces as you deploy your system.  :evil: Tony
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: 55chevr on April 18, 2012, 07:02:15 AM
I like the that idea
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on April 18, 2012, 09:37:15 AM
Trent, the build is looking good.  Now I see what you wanted those flaps for. Are you going to have an air siren like the Stuka dive bombers? :cheers:  Might be interesting to see some of the photo guys and gals faces as you deploy your system.  :evil: Tony

The siren is an interesting idea, and Glen thinks rotaries make noise! 

There are two ways to go mounting these things. hinge front or hinge rear. Tom Burkland thinks I should hinge them in front which would deply via air or hyd. and be a more gentle "hit". I like the simplicity of them opening as shown. At around 200 I know they can handle it and I think I have a way to "buffer" the initial hit.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Peter Jack on April 18, 2012, 11:49:19 AM
The main thing is to ensure that they deploy perfectly symmetrically. The result of that not happening could be rather exciting!  :-o :-o :-o

Pete
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Jon on April 18, 2012, 03:59:24 PM
The main thing is to ensure that they deploy perfectly symmetrically. The result of that not happening could be rather exciting!  :-o :-o :-o

Pete

+1, a linkage between them could be a good idea.

I like the look of them.
jon
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on April 18, 2012, 04:07:53 PM
The main thing is to ensure that they deploy perfectly symmetrically. The result of that not happening could be rather exciting!  :-o :-o :-o

Pete

+1, a linkage between them could be a good idea.

I like the look of them.
jon

Yeah guys, I am working on something. Any ideas are appreciated. No offense to summner and others but I want things as simple as possible. These things are rather small until you stand them up next to a small car then they are huge!


Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Jon on April 18, 2012, 04:26:18 PM
The simplest i recon would be a central rocker arm with a link going to either side from opposite ends.
I'm thinking Watts link type arangement with the central pivot on the frame and the ends on the flaps.

If you wanted to get flash you could get one of the links to run through a holed plate and put an adjustable stopper on it to adjust how far out the flaps can go.


Cheers
jon
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on April 18, 2012, 05:07:39 PM
Jon, thanks! That gives me a great idea  :cheers: Watts link with a bellcrank attached to the air cylinder that Stainless and Johnboy gave to me at the salt talks last year!

The other idea I have is to add stiff springs on the lanyards to soften the hit. That comes from my background with mountainbike shocks using spring/elastomer dampers.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Glen on April 18, 2012, 06:06:40 PM
Tman, wait until you have the engine and everything else mounted to see what you will need to re-engineer once all of the other mechanical, electrical, hoses etc. You will find your thinking changes when you get to that part of the build. The worm can gets fuller. :-o
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on April 18, 2012, 06:26:31 PM
Tman, wait until you have the engine and everything else mounted to see what you will need to re-engineer once all of the other mechanical, electrical, hoses etc. You will find your thinking changes when you get to that part of the build. The worm can gets fuller. :-o

That is why I am looking into this now Glen, knowing full well that this area willl get crowded. I also need to work out the location of the doors before I tack the rear upper frame tubes. Kinda like fitting ALL the pieces of the puzzle together at the same time! :-D
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on April 30, 2012, 09:04:30 PM
OK, back to fiberglass. I now have 3 layers of 6oz cloth with a nice thick layer of mat giving me +/- 4mm. Should I go ahead and do the planned last layer of cloth before I skim this thing with filler or should I call it good and move on?
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Peter Jack on May 01, 2012, 12:45:39 AM
Your choice! The cloth will probably give you a smoother finish. When you're done I'd be tempted to give it a good sanding, not being worried if you expose some of the fibre, and then give it a good finish coat of resin to seal everything up. That should make the final finishing a little easier.

Pete
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on May 01, 2012, 12:46:12 AM
Impatient. I pulled the nose off the plug, I think we are ready to move on.

(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/surlytman/009-2.jpg)

(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/surlytman/010-2.jpg)

(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/surlytman/012.jpg)

(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/surlytman/011-1.jpg)

These last two pics show the damage the plug took, not bad and repairable.


(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/surlytman/008-2.jpg)

(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/surlytman/008-2.jpg)
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on May 01, 2012, 12:49:10 AM
replacement pic for teh dupe

(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/surlytman/007-3.jpg)

Notice how the layer of Beeswax is GONE. On top of the beeswax I layerd on several coats of typical automotive paste wax. Real release wax must be some amazing stuff!? :-o
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Peter Jack on May 01, 2012, 01:10:57 AM
When the mould is done it should be as smooth and shiny as finished auto body work with paint. Then wax it with a couple of coats of highly polished Carnuba wax. If you're thinking of doing another, why don't you put the mould on end and do the bottom as well. If you then glassed supports around it before you pulled it off the plug you'd have a really nice female mould. It would probably make it easier to tie in the belly pan as well.

How's the itch from sanding the glass?

Pete
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on May 01, 2012, 01:14:11 AM
No itch, the nose is going to nestle into an aluminum pan that will hold the rubber chin skirts. There is more chance for itch with the mat then the fabric.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Rex Schimmer on May 02, 2012, 10:36:30 AM
Tman, is your plan to use the part you have made as the nose or is this going to be the mold for a new part? Either way it looks like you have lots of sanding in your future. If you are planning to use the existing part I would suggest that you do not add additional fiberglass, it is plenty thick. Use a grinder with a coarse disc to knock of the big bumps and get a your basic shape then mix up the bondo and start sculpting your shape and then plan on sanding for a couple of weeks. Doing it this way the part will weight a ton. If you use the existing part as a mold you can make a good part that is only a couple of layers of glass thick that will be a lot lighter and more than strong enough. Either way make sure you have lots of sanding disc and paper.

Have fun and cold showers help get the fiberglass out of your skin.

Rex
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on May 02, 2012, 11:44:40 AM
This is a splash, it is the nose, the outside is actually smoother than it looks. It should finish off with a nice skim of Evercoat Rage. It is also thinner and lighter than it looks. By laying things up somewhat directional it looks like I got the strength and thickness in the areas I planned for.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: 55chevr on May 02, 2012, 09:37:47 PM
Making a fiberglas part off a male mold requires some work. My original Buell XB front fender I made off a male mold and it came out smooth after some agressive sanding and bondo.  Finished well but there was considerable physical exertion involved in finishing it. Stay with it ...


Joe
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on May 03, 2012, 12:16:38 AM
Making a fiberglas part off a male mold requires some work. My original Buell XB front fender I made off a male mold and it came out smooth after some agressive sanding and bondo.  Finished well but there was considerable physical exertion involved in finishing it. Stay with it ...


Joe

Joe, I spent 10 minutes tonight dressing this thing up. It is CLOSE.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Roseville Carl on May 03, 2012, 12:27:49 AM
Well Trent we need to see what it looks like!
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: SPARKY on May 03, 2012, 12:53:14 AM
yeah yeah, youse guys are always ragging my ASphalt---  if we cant see it it must not be done!!!  :-D
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on May 03, 2012, 01:03:48 AM
Sparky your asphalt is ok. No stuff smeared on the shell, but pictures do not show the tru surface. I fondled this sheot all night, waiting for some sunlight to glaze it and see where we are.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on May 10, 2012, 11:11:33 PM
Doing a splash and finishing the outside was the best move. I laid down some of my favorite Evercoat rage tonight, a thin layer and this thing will block close to done in minutes! Plus Rage smells good :-D

(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/surlytman/lakester/001-27.jpg)

(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/surlytman/lakester/002-19.jpg)

(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/surlytman/lakester/003-14.jpg)

(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/surlytman/lakester/004-11.jpg)
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on May 10, 2012, 11:26:13 PM
Getting there, a good day of Rockies Baseball and laminating

Just caught that - HA!   :cheers:

I get more done with a baseball game on the radio than any other time.

There's a rhythm to it, and if I'm not tired, I'm praying for extra innings.

Cone is looking great.  Keep punching.   :cheers:

A trick on getting the fiberglass out of your skin.  When I worked at Menards in the early 1980's, we hand unloaded boxcar loads of fiberglass insulation.  One night after 8 hours of doing that crap in 90 degree heat, I took a shower and shaved.  I noticed my face didn't itch, so I hopped back in the shower, lathered up with the menthol shave cream, rinsed it off, and BINGO - no more irritation.



Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on May 11, 2012, 12:02:26 AM
Well, had Twins baseball on the AMtonight since the Rockies were off, got the whole nose skimmed as of a few minutes ago. We go through fast and slow times with these cars, I am entering another fast one..................
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: 55chevr on May 11, 2012, 12:40:59 PM
I love Evercoat Rage ... virtually no pin holes ... Joe
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on May 11, 2012, 12:49:42 PM
Going to try RAGE GOLD after this gallon is gone. I am told it sands even better.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: 55chevr on May 11, 2012, 02:17:43 PM
Trent,
I stand corrected, I used Evercoat Rage Gold on the fairing, I thought they were same .... No pin holes.

JD
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on May 11, 2012, 03:12:38 PM
Either way I have had great luck with all the Evercoat products.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on May 28, 2012, 10:10:17 AM
No reason for pics but a little update. Got back on things and have my front "bulkhead" pieces built. These are the uprights that the front axle mounts to. Then I took the time to find the centerline of the car again and set up a stringline THROUGH the engine block. I needed to check center of course and also find square for the front and rear axles. I am happy to report things are spot on!  :cheers: I will now tack the front and rear axle mounts and finalize the engine/tranny mounts. I also spent some bingineering time working out the body panel placement. Stainless took the time to talk body and canopy tips with me as well, thanks!
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: SPARKY on May 28, 2012, 10:35:27 AM
SS #1 you will be getting another opportunity to coach soon.  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on September 05, 2012, 04:53:07 PM
Can't believe how long it has been since an update. Summer is usually slow for me. I am working on front axle mounting as of right now. August is a wash with me, Sturgis Rally keeps us hopping at work and then Speedweek. But we have cooler temps and more shop time. When there is some visual change I will post up a shot.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on September 09, 2012, 04:14:28 PM
OK, building up some steam after Speedweek. Spent a fair amount of time with Rick and the Scots, decided to use a NACA duct for the cockpit like the Flower of Scotland has. Instead of buying something I had all my glass supplies handy. This was a 12 pack project over 3 evenings. I bet if you added up my total time it was less than an hour? I call it the 30 minute NACA.

First shot shows the spare foam, attempt #1 and the mold glued to cement board painted and ready to lay-up

(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/surlytman/lakester/NACA1.jpg)

second shot, I did one layer of glass cloth and then a layer of mat on top. Beefy enough for a vent!

(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/surlytman/lakester/naca2.jpg)

Last shot, pulled out the plug, and let things cure a bit more. The rattlecan I coated the mold with reacted with the resin! Things are good however. it is trimmer and ready to bodywork into shape for the skin.

This was a trial run for the larger NACA I will use for the engine (thanks Stainless)
(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/surlytman/lakester/naca3.jpg)
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on September 09, 2012, 04:17:22 PM
Also, here is a current shot of the frame. I just cut those bulkhead uprights off teh front. Alignment was off and I am looking at changing the axle mount. Any ideas? I am even considering using my MW Torsion setup for a couple inches of travel.

(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/surlytman/lakester/chassisAug.jpg)


Starting the rest of the frame behind the driver

(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/surlytman/chassisaug2.jpg)
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: 55chevr on September 09, 2012, 04:42:06 PM
That really looks stout ... Ary you sure that you are not building something for a pulling contest?

Joe
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on September 09, 2012, 04:47:24 PM
That really looks stout ... Ary you sure that you are not building something for a pulling contest?

Joe

Thanks Joe, just building for the future!  :wink:

If I am strapping mine or my little brothers or Scottys arse in the thing I want it safe!
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: 38flattie on September 09, 2012, 04:50:34 PM
Lokoks good Trent! :cheers:
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on September 09, 2012, 09:33:17 PM
Thanks guys!
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Frankie7799 on September 10, 2012, 09:55:21 PM
New to the board and just started reading your build this afternoon. Just got finished. Some quality work there Tman, something to be very proud of. Looking foward to more updates as you progress on.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on September 11, 2012, 12:02:59 AM
New to the board and just started reading your build this afternoon. Just got finished. Some quality work there Tman, something to be very proud of. Looking foward to more updates as you progress on.

Thank you Frankie, I am new to LSR, been on the salt 3 times, 2 of which were crewing for my good friend Tim McMaster. But, I have grown up around racecars and hotrods, spent some time in the trenches at a rodshop. I don't know it all and this is a work in progress! i have told others that this is like going back to college for an Engineering degree WITH the hands on fab!
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on September 20, 2012, 12:38:02 PM
PJ was asking in the chat for a picture or two.

Here is the steering "wheel/yoke" I got from Tony in the classifieds. I plan on mounting my parachute switch on the right side. Need to figure out what kind of button or switch I should use? Also considering a safety device so I dont bump the switch at the wrong time! The center is also deep enough I could mount a guage or some controls in it.

(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/surlytman/2012-09-18204436_zpsef3c9070.jpg)

And this is the NACA mold it was sitting on. This is for engine air. I used the drawing found online and in Engineer to Win and simply enlarged or reduced them on the copier to the scale I wanted. I am ready to lay glass on this one.

(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/surlytman/2012-09-18204418_zpsb9e79d86.jpg)

Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Peter Jack on September 20, 2012, 12:44:27 PM
That wheel looks really nice Trent. There's enough room to do some trick stuff. The NACA duct is looking rather good too.  :cheers: :cheers:

Pete
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on September 20, 2012, 12:51:43 PM
That wheel looks really nice Trent. There's enough room to do some trick stuff. The NACA duct is looking rather good too.  :cheers: :cheers:

Pete

And the wheel fits the cockpit really well! I am open to ideas on switches and such.

As for the NACA, thanks as well. I knocked that mold out of foam in a few minutes so I am getting better. These are simple one time molds, although the first one is still fixable for re-use.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: maguromic on September 20, 2012, 01:36:23 PM
Trent, Ergonomically that is a perfect steering wheel, I would put one switch for the parachute launcher on one side and on the other side  an air shifter button or or an ignition kill switch.  In the center I would put some bright LED lights for shift lights, it wouldn't be hard to put a small board together. If you don't like the shift light idea and have a electronic ignition that you can load a few ignition maps to, add a rotary switch so you can go between them.   Just my 2 cents, which wont by a bowl of rice in China.  Tony
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on September 20, 2012, 02:03:40 PM
Trent, Ergonomically that is a perfect steering wheel, I would put one switch for the parachute launcher on one side and on the other side  an air shifter button or or an ignition kill switch.  In the center I would put some bright LED lights for shift lights, it wouldn't be hard to put a small board together. If you don't like the shift light idea and have a electronic ignition that you can load a few ignition maps to, add a rotary switch so you can go between them.   Just my 2 cents, which wont by a bowl of rice in China.  Tony

Yes, thanks Tony! This wheel just falls into your hands. I like your switch ideas.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on September 21, 2012, 12:53:13 AM
I have the first layer of glass on, fabric and some matt for reinforcement, because I had it!

(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/surlytman/2012-09-20210034_zps2ee699e8.jpg)

That old unfinished Mark Williams frame hanging behind the car has given up tubing for the rear engine hoop. This frame was never more than tacked together and many tubes were undersized..............we decided that it was not worth trying to finish the frame for the drags but have used the good stuff in this car.

(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/surlytman/2012-09-20211215_zpsb19ed87f.jpg)
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on September 24, 2012, 04:57:09 PM
Well, over the weekend I got the large scoop done. Mold release would have been nice :oops: But it went well. Part loooks good. But, I screwed up the small scoop. I brushed some remaining resin onto it and warped the piece. It is fixable but I may just ake a new one.  :|
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on September 29, 2012, 09:15:23 PM
New smaller cockpit intake. This glass stuff is theraputic. This one turned out better.

(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/surlytman/2012-09-29190842.jpg)

2/3rds the size of the old one I messed up.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: 55chevr on September 29, 2012, 09:51:27 PM
Save the mold ... there be a business opportunity.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on September 29, 2012, 09:53:48 PM
Sacrificial mold Joe, but with the new foam I can make a mold in less than 15 minutes. A permanent one would be easy.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: pofg on October 01, 2012, 12:23:14 PM
Hope your NACA duct works better than ours... certainly looks good... but remember to try and consider the pressure in the cockpit, make sure it runs at a positive pressure to stop fumes coming in...

Great build diary, just read it right thru!

Cheers
Rick
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on October 01, 2012, 12:31:11 PM
Hope your NACA duct works better than ours... certainly looks good... but remember to try and consider the pressure in the cockpit, make sure it runs at a positive pressure to stop fumes coming in...

Great build diary, just read it right thru!

Cheers
Rick

Yeah, I don't need to eat smoke like you did Rick! I think I will be ok since my duct will not be on a flat panel. From what I have learned they work better when "tipped" into the wind. We shall see. Thanks again for letting me look over the Flower, it helped reinforce some things I am doing such as the canopy latch.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: pofg on October 01, 2012, 12:37:19 PM
Mr Moreau did a great job on a lot of things!
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on October 20, 2012, 05:32:36 PM
Will post up some shots this week. Yesterday I went over to my chassis buddies place and mitered all the uprights for the rear area (6 of them) and the tube that goes above my legs. When I get them in I will have some diagonals left and putting the rest of the helmet tubes in place. I am over my late summer burnout (a usual occurance in my riding and wreching) and back on things.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Roseville Carl on November 15, 2012, 10:24:09 PM
whats goin on Trent??   :?
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on November 16, 2012, 12:07:10 AM
Carl, back on it, making slow progress and getting sidelined with minor lakester projects. Right now working on the header. I will post some update stuff after the family "Thanksmas" is done. Had to spend some time on house stuff.............like working on finishing it after 5 years! :oops:

Carl, send me your number so we can stay in the loop. Speedweeks looks fun this year with Tims truck!
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on February 08, 2013, 12:32:38 AM
Many have asked, yes I have been drinkling beer and working on house, family etc. But, the Brown Santa showed up today with the last pieces to get to roller stage.

(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/surlytman/2013-02-07201129_zps91e11ba5.jpg)

I am now a dealer for Lefthander Chassis, a company that Brian Bass (metalwork on Lee Sicilios car)  clued me into a couple years back. I have ordered several things from them and am so impressed that I signed on with them. These axle tubes and caliper mounts came from them.

Now, I need to bug one of you guys, PJ?, on how to refurb this Quickchange!!!!!! Tubes need to be cut down and I don't know the correct way to measure! DOH!

Also spent the night stripping laquer off weld els for the exhaust. Acetone and good beer, nice combo.

BTW, Mr Midget, that Porter is a cousin to one that will be at your house next week. I may be slow but I get it done eventually! :roll:
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: tauruck on February 08, 2013, 12:45:27 AM
No itch, the nose is going to nestle into an aluminum pan that will hold the rubber chin skirts. There is more chance for itch with the mat then the fabric.

No itch. Guys, what we have here is a natural born laminator. Nice thread Tman, I really enjoyed reading. Thanks. :cheers:
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Peter Jack on February 08, 2013, 12:59:53 AM
Here's a good start Trent.

http://www.circletrack.com/techarticles/ctrp_0707_quick_change_rearend_rebuild/viewall.html

I used to have a similar article that I used to follow. I'm not sure if I can find it but if you Google "quick change overhaul" you'll find a fair bit of information.

You're just beginning to find out that there are a lot of oval track suppliers that have high quality stuff that can be used to great advantage in other forms of motorsport. As a matter of fact if one's prepared to accept that most other forms of motorsport use some parts or techniques that may be applicable to the form of the sport that they're engaged in they can gain some sort of advantage over competition.

Pete
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on February 08, 2013, 11:58:30 AM
Thanks PJ! Circle Track is one of the few magazines that still does real tech articles!
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on February 09, 2013, 10:35:23 AM
Thanks PJ! Circle Track is one of the few magazines that still does real tech articles!

I agree - it's one of the last "get your hands dirty" mags out there for the sport.  Rather than most tech and construction articles in magazines that are in a hurry to show the finished project and provide advertisers a showcase for their products, Circle Track really takes the time to inform.

Trent, I haven't posted much, but I've been lurking on this one.  Glad to see it’s still on track.  Keep it up, brother - this is a first class build.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on February 09, 2013, 07:14:26 PM
Started on the turbo header/intake using cast steel Weld Els! first tacks done, the rest of the tubes need to be coped and angled back a bit.

(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/surlytman/2013-02-09170204_zpse0729836.jpg)
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on February 09, 2013, 07:16:48 PM
Thanks PJ! Circle Track is one of the few magazines that still does real tech articles!

I agree - it's one of the last "get your hands dirty" mags out there for the sport.  Rather than most tech and construction articles in magazines that are in a hurry to show the finished project and provide advertisers a showcase for their products, Circle Track really takes the time to inform.

Trent, I haven't posted much, but I've been lurking on this one.  Glad to see it’s still on track.  Keep it up, brother - this is a first class build.


Thanks Chris, this year the house HAS to get done so we can refi it. Car will be worked on but not the main goal. Plus, Tom, my engine partner is relocating out here and I will let him get settled before I press him for help and an engine!!!!!!!!!

 Your beer should be there by Wednesday! :cheers:
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on February 09, 2013, 09:22:27 PM
Your beer should be there by Wednesday! :cheers:

That will assure a visit from Fordboy!  :wink:

Thanks!
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on February 14, 2013, 09:02:56 PM
Found a Garret Turbo that we "think" might be sized right, gotta do more learnin' on this topic. When I brought it home I thought the layout was horrible but after looking at the HRM pictures of the Speed Demon I realized it would work with the intoercooler and layout very well.

(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/surlytman/2013-02-14184446_zpsb4e3fba8.jpg)

(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/surlytman/2013-02-14184436_zpsce331aad.jpg)

It is an internally wastegated turbo. Like I said, I am learning on the cheap with factory stuff. Our young diesel mechanic is very good with turbos and helping. The young dudes around here are more into FAST diesels than ricers!

 Anyone know where is the best place to pull the vac signal for the waste gate?
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Rex Schimmer on February 14, 2013, 09:34:47 PM
I would think that the waste gate needs a pressure signal to open and you would get that from the inlet plenum. Probably at least a -4 line.

Rex
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: SPARKY on February 14, 2013, 10:49:21 PM
Boy o boy what flashback----stacking the thing in there---clocking it---ponder---ponder---ponder  :-D
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Peter Jack on February 14, 2013, 11:57:06 PM
I agree with Rex Trent. I think you'll find that reacts to the pressure in the plenum to open the waste gate when it reaches a predetermined reading.

Pete
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on February 15, 2013, 12:27:14 AM
Thanks Rex and PJ, Garrett actually sells some turbos set up like you guys say.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: tauruck on February 15, 2013, 01:07:04 AM
I wish you the best Tman. You'll figure it out. I'm watching this thread for sure. We'll all learn from this.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 15, 2013, 02:40:21 AM
cheering for you here Trent :cheers: :cheers:

good to see some progress
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on February 15, 2013, 10:19:06 AM
cheering for you here Trent :cheers: :cheers:

good to see some progress

You have a kangaroo with wifi out there? Didn't expect to see you post for a few days!?
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: SPARKY on February 15, 2013, 10:46:22 AM
Tman---Go to Turbodriven.com and open downloads ---left side  Match-Bot--- play with the sx400 100 75  I bet your eng likes 1 of what my 509 likes 2 of---171702  that is the one with the big 1.32 turbine housing it is available with smaller to make it light off sooner  this is a very flexable (lol) flexiable
 size!!!!
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on February 15, 2013, 10:49:40 AM
Oh, yeah while we have THESE guys doing their thing . . .

:cheers:   :cheers:   :cheers:   :cheers:   :cheers:   :cheers:   :cheers:   :cheers:   :cheers:   :cheers:   :cheers:   :cheers:

Trent, the "assembly lube" arrived safely in Beerhaven.  I'll have cause to, hmmmm . . . conduct application tests this weekend.  I suspect I'll run some testing past Fordboy, too.

Thanks, brother!

Chris
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on February 15, 2013, 04:29:00 PM
Chris, I feel bad I did not send more since you are having an assembly party!

Sparky, thanks for the tips.

I have been trying to read up as much as I can about turbos and blow through setups. In the spirit of the Spirit this is a lowbuck junkyard effort. This whole car is a rookie deal, glad I have been on Tims crew for a couple years, I can not imaging building a new car AND and being a newbie on the salt at the same time.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Jack Gifford on February 16, 2013, 01:14:51 AM
... the big 1.32 turbine housing... a very fleiable size...
?? Only in Aussie dictionaries? Not in any of mine... :?
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on February 16, 2013, 11:46:40 AM
Ok, I found out the factory wastegate is kinda small. 20-28# boost is the range. I will have to go with an external WG since we were going to start with relatively low boost. Any input?
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on February 16, 2013, 02:32:20 PM
Trent, a lot of times you can find another factory style wastgate actuator that opens at a lower pressure and you can adapt to your housing.  A lot of 4 cylinder factory turbo cars are in the 8-15 psi range

I had read that on the turboforum but I also found reference to the WG hole in the housing being too small anyway to let enough pressure out. The hole is smaller than a quarter. I will need to dig a little deeper. Something more "normal" than this particular turbo would be easier to work with but this thing is sized ok and is in great shape and FREE~!

I think I will try the lighter actuator first since they are cheap enough. Thanks.
Title: Re: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: aut0m4tic on February 16, 2013, 06:13:55 PM
Tman:
 A lot of turbos have a nipple on the cold side housing for a pressure referrence, some people use post cooler piping amd some use a manifold referrence.  The deal is that the closer to your turbo your pressure referrence is, the faster the WG will react.  Dont worry too much about the quarter sized hole, after testing you can port the WG and it will flow a lot more.  You have at least as much back pressure before the turbo as you have boost in the intake. This is the reason a small hole will bleed off a lot of exhaust pressure slowing the turbo.  From. Corky Bells "maximum boost"

Cory
Title: Re: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on February 17, 2013, 11:24:20 AM
Tman:
 A lot of turbos have a nipple on the cold side housing for a pressure referrence, some people use post cooler piping amd some use a manifold referrence.  The deal is that the closer to your turbo your pressure referrence is, the faster the WG will react.  Dont worry too much about the quarter sized hole, after testing you can port the WG and it will flow a lot more.  You have at least as much back pressure before the turbo as you have boost in the intake. This is the reason a small hole will bleed off a lot of exhaust pressure slowing the turbo.  From. Corky Bells "maximum boost"

Cory

Thanks, Corkys book is in the mail from one of the guys in our club.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: lsrjunkie on February 21, 2013, 11:00:45 AM
Not that I am a big forced induction guy by any means, but the turbo you have pictured looks an awful lot like a Garrett off of a 7.3L Ford Powerstroke. And I do know a wee bit about those darn things! One way you can adjust when the wastegate opens is to either increase or decrease the tension on the wastegate solenoid by shortening or lengthening the arm that goes to the waste gate. The shorter the arm, the more tension, and therefor more boost required to open the wastegate. The longer the arm means less tension and the wastegate will open sooner with less boost. I wouldn't reccomend doing it on a stock application, as most guys in my part of the world do it to get more boost out of their pick up trucks, but for what you are doing it may help to know that there is some adjustability there without having to spend a bunch of money and time trying to make something work. Looking good man! Keep it up!  :cheers:

Joe
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on February 21, 2013, 11:29:34 AM
Not that I am a big forced induction guy by any means, but the turbo you have pictured looks an awful lot like a Garrett off of a 7.3L Ford Powerstroke. And I do know a wee bit about those darn things! One way you can adjust when the wastegate opens is to either increase or decrease the tension on the wastegate solenoid by shortening or lengthening the arm that goes to the waste gate. The shorter the arm, the more tension, and therefor more boost required to open the wastegate. The longer the arm means less tension and the wastegate will open sooner with less boost. I wouldn't reccomend doing it on a stock application, as most guys in my part of the world do it to get more boost out of their pick up trucks, but for what you are doing it may help to know that there is some adjustability there without having to spend a bunch of money and time trying to make something work. Looking good man! Keep it up!  :cheers:

Joe

You are correct in all regards. Our diesel mechanics both drive Powerstrokes, they gave me this one.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: tauruck on February 21, 2013, 11:35:28 AM
Adjusting an arm sounds like the solution. That's the simplest and easiest thing to do on a turbo system I've heard about so far. This gives hope.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on February 23, 2013, 11:04:00 AM
I have a quandry. The car is set up for close to the 144" WB as stated earlier. This requires losing the tailhosing of the trans like Goggles did. But, I will use the same real estate with the waterr tank and fuel cell regardless, it just adds a foot to the WB and means one less customized part. Meaning any GM 3 or 4 speed will drop in. I am trying to talk myself out of the 144" WB to make life easier down the road.

Any input?
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Peter Jack on February 23, 2013, 11:17:13 AM
Easier is better and length isn't going to hurt you unless there might be trailering or storage problems. Aerodynamic nit pickers could say that the increased wetted area will increased drag but you could probably counter by saying that it allows smoother transitions and thus better air flow. There..................... I'm not sure I helped your quandary but I gave you more to think about.  :-D :-D 8-)

Pete
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Stainless1 on February 23, 2013, 11:30:20 AM
T, I'm with PJ, add the wheelbase.... make life as easy on you as possible... I think Seth will tell you longer didn't hurt him at all.  We stretched the Bockscar a foot for longer drivers (me) in 2000, it didn't slow the car down, the big motor bubbles on the top to fit a Busa motor did a little, luckily that motor comes with additional power  :-o
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on February 23, 2013, 11:40:34 AM
Yup, I was right!  :-D

Thanks for my daily afformation! I know at some point I will use up that extra space back there. Still have not figured out where the second firebottle fits!
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: kiwi belly tank on February 23, 2013, 11:52:45 AM
Yep! Now's the time to stretch it for you. I can tell you it sucks big ones to have to do it down the road.
My chassis is finished with tunnel & all. Now the production O/D unit is 2" longer than the dummy unit I built around.
Time to cut the back off a streamliner. :x :cry:
  Sid.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on February 23, 2013, 02:11:14 PM
Yep! Now's the time to stretch it for you. I can tell you it sucks big ones to have to do it down the road.
My chassis is finished with tunnel & all. Now the production O/D unit is 2" longer than the dummy unit I built around.
Time to cut the back off a streamliner. :x :cry:
  Sid.

I feel your pain Sid!

Another question, I am sure some of the high end aftermarket trannies have the same dimensions as a GM 4 speed. Tex, Jerico, Lenco etc? Don't want to build into a corner for future upgrades!

Thanks guys.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on February 23, 2013, 02:58:00 PM
Yep! Now's the time to stretch it for you. I can tell you it sucks big ones to have to do it down the road.
My chassis is finished with tunnel & all. Now the production O/D unit is 2" longer than the dummy unit I built around.
Time to cut the back off a streamliner. :x :cry:
  Sid.

I feel your pain Sid!

Another question, I am sure some of the high end aftermarket trannies have the same dimensions as a GM 4 speed. Tex, Jerico, Lenco etc? Don't want to build into a corner for future upgrades!

Thanks guys.

Maybe, maybe not.  Aftermarket is a lot easier getting dimensions for out of catalogs, etc., than stock pieces.


If I've learned nothing else doing this, I've learned this -

ASSUME NOTHING.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: 38flattie on February 23, 2013, 03:01:38 PM
Trent, it seems like they all vary a little bit. Even a 1/2" means driveshaft work, on a high revving, or high HP engine.

I'd go overkill on the tranny for now, and have that end done, for when you build in more HP. JMHO.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: SPARKY on February 23, 2013, 07:58:54 PM
my suggestion:  Get a driveshaft guy to tell you how long a 10,000 RPM driveshaft ( 8000 rpm motor + 20% OD) can be, then double it---stretch your car that much + at least 1' in front of the eng.  You will NEVER regret it and I will bet the time comes when you say-- why didn't I put that much more in front of the eng. Driveshafts and Jackshafts  are VERY easy to shorten and do not involve BODY pannels

This will give you a car you can use for YEARS
Lakesters that are fairly aero usually are around 200-210 WB

ymmv






 
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: maguromic on February 23, 2013, 08:09:46 PM
Trent, I am with everyone on this, you will be head of the game making it longer.  Our RMR is at the limit with a 189 1/2" wheelbase.  Tony
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: kiwi belly tank on February 24, 2013, 12:15:34 AM
My W/B is 258" & it's too phucking short!!! :x
  Sid.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Buickguy3 on February 24, 2013, 10:06:12 AM
   Salt Cat ll is 267". We had to stretch it 18 inches when we put in the straight 8, but there were no real body panels back there when we got the cat so we had to build any of them we needed anyway. Make it as long as you can haul. The car handles good at speed because of the length.
   Doug  :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on February 24, 2013, 10:25:46 AM
Thanks for all the input!


The plan was to couple the tranny and QC using a Mark Williams Greek coupler.  I plan to have some adjustment capability with the brackets on the rear end if needed later for a longer tranny
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: kiwi belly tank on February 24, 2013, 10:38:08 AM
If you leave some more space in there you can do a short shaft between them with double couplers on each end. Allows you to more options down the road & you can pull the trans without pulling the eng or diff out. Use two sliders on the short shaft with collars so you can slide them back & lift out the shaft.
If you are runnung a 7.5 10bolt, B&J are now able to make a Greek coupler to fit them. Part # is B&J-SID.
  Sid.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on February 24, 2013, 12:00:49 PM
If you leave some more space in there you can do a short shaft between them with double couplers on each end. Allows you to more options down the road & you can pull the trans without pulling the eng or diff out. Use two sliders on the short shaft with collars so you can slide them back & lift out the shaft.
If you are runnung a 7.5 10bolt, B&J are now able to make a Greek coupler to fit them. Part # is B&J-SID.
  Sid.

You are right, I could run one of the short shafts.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Peter Jack on February 24, 2013, 12:17:13 PM
If you need your thoughts reinforced Trent I really think KBT has it right!  :cheers: :cheers:

Pete
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on February 24, 2013, 04:23:21 PM
Also working on the cooling system thanks to Rex. You money will be there in a Priority envelope Rex! I bought one of the 15x15 radiators Rex had in the classifieds................what are these things? Something from roadracing? Will work well with minor changes.  :cheers:
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Rex Schimmer on February 25, 2013, 11:17:26 PM
When I talked to the guys that built them they said they were for a 966 (or some number with a 9!)Porsche race car and the car used two of them and I think they were mounted in the air dam. Anyway they are pretty nice and great quality. I may put the last one in my modified as I always wanted to try a double pass radiator in it.

Rex
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on March 01, 2013, 12:27:18 AM
Thanks to Tim we have the 1st/2nd? choice for Turbos! :cheers: Today the brown santa left a nice Holset that may be the best match. Working with compressor maps right now. Talked to my partner Tom in his 400 mile commute tonight, he is excited to get ready on a true turbo motor.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on March 17, 2013, 01:29:42 AM
Minor update, no pics. SteveM, thanks!~ Bought the intercooler off Steve and am working on an icewater tank for the radiator and the intercooler. My layout looks like it will hold 20# of ice+ a fair amount of water so far. The big trick in a lakester of course is packaging, spent the week working on that. Like I mentioned before, this is better than grad school for an education!

I do need some help with plenums for the NACA/turbo intake. I have a fair amount of room and have no clue here. DOH!
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: tauruck on March 17, 2013, 04:10:40 AM
When I talked to the guys that built them they said they were for a 966 (or some number with a 9!)Porsche race car and the car used two of them and I think they were mounted in the air dam. Anyway they are pretty nice and great quality. I may put the last one in my modified as I always wanted to try a double pass radiator in it.

Rex
996 and they were great. :wink:
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 17, 2013, 07:31:09 AM
If you leave some more space in there you can do a short shaft between them with double couplers on each end. Allows you to more options down the road & you can pull the trans without pulling the eng or diff out. Use two sliders on the short shaft with collars so you can slide them back & lift out the shaft.
If you are runnung a 7.5 10bolt, B&J are now able to make a Greek coupler to fit them. Part # is B&J-SID.
  Sid.

I wish we'd had that set-up at the salt this year.

Go long, we have a short car for our own stubborn reasons, build it to fit the 15llbs of shit.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on March 22, 2013, 01:11:09 AM
Question here guys. I have always loved the QC Supercover that holds an extra quart of fluid. I found one and this would be my excuse to buy it. Do I NEED it?!?!?!
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Peter Jack on March 22, 2013, 02:02:48 AM
If you have the room it can't hurt to run it. You may be able to run a lighter lubricant without too much heat buildup with the extra capacity. Boy, I like spending your money!!!  :-D :-D :evil:

Pete
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on March 22, 2013, 09:58:37 AM
If you have the room it can't hurt to run it. You may be able to run a lighter lubricant without too much heat buildup with the extra capacity. Boy, I like spending your money!!!  :-D :-D :evil:

Pete

And you are good at it! Thanks
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on March 23, 2013, 05:58:17 PM
If you have the room it can't hurt to run it. You may be able to run a lighter lubricant without too much heat buildup with the extra capacity. Boy, I like spending your money!!!  :-D :-D :evil:

Pete

PJ, decided to hold off on that Supercover until I see if I really need it. The money spent there will buy the aluminum sheet to make the ice water tank! Priorities.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: 38flattie on March 23, 2013, 06:36:30 PM
Trent, we didn't see any temp or oil issues with our stock cover.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on March 24, 2013, 10:43:02 AM
Trent, we didn't see any temp or oil issues with our stock cover.

Thats what I was thinking Buddy. It was a want item not a need item anyway!
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: 38flattie on March 24, 2013, 12:47:27 PM
I want a lot of things, but can't even afford all of the needed items!

Nice build, Trent!
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Peter Jack on March 24, 2013, 12:52:00 PM
The good thing is that they should be readily available at a decent price just about anytime. They're used very commonly on a lot of oval track cars and they're one of the more protected items on the car. The way the rest of the car gets trashed that may be one of the few items salvageable!  :-D :evil: :roll:

Pete
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on March 25, 2013, 12:47:32 AM
The good thing is that they should be readily available at a decent price just about anytime. They're used very commonly on a lot of oval track cars and they're one of the more protected items on the car. The way the rest of the car gets trashed that may be one of the few items salvageable!  :-D :evil: :roll:

Pete

And I thank the rOundy rounders for this! Also looking for a V8 Center for on of our hotrod projetcts!
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on March 28, 2013, 03:00:39 PM
Well, thanks to Skip,Steve and Rex I have the parts and knowledge to start on my ice water tank. Picked up parts for the spray bar, my Rule pump, Intercooler and Rad. Tommorw get the sheet aluminum and will take lots of shots for all to see.

I am planning on a shoe box style lid held down with spring retainers like these
https://www.pegasusautoracing.com/productdetails.asp?RecID=756

or these


https://www.pegasusautoracing.com/productdetails.asp?RecID=770

Any ideas on hole sizes in my spraybar (PVC tube)?
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: manta22 on March 28, 2013, 08:07:01 PM
T-Man;

It probably isn't important in your application, but the rubber latches do not rattle.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Glen on March 28, 2013, 08:31:06 PM
Metal latches are fire proof.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on March 28, 2013, 08:59:33 PM
Metal latches are fire proof.

That was my thought as well Glen, plus the spring ones will provide some venting from burst should I pop the radiator. The lid will be padded from the lower box to keep it from rattling.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: manta22 on March 28, 2013, 09:01:57 PM
Metal latches are fire proof.

Good point, Glen....but if the rubber latches burn off, the tank dumps water into the cockpit. I wouldn't be too worried about that. :-)

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Glen on March 28, 2013, 09:09:43 PM
Yeah, but a water soaked fire suit is a steam bath you don't want. Thay can as do absorb water.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on March 28, 2013, 09:57:08 PM
All good points! But, this tank is 4 feet behind me, with the engine and the turbo between us. The tranny is below it and the fuel behind.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Stainless1 on March 28, 2013, 10:16:41 PM
Not to mention the sealed firewall  :cheers:
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Glen on March 28, 2013, 10:20:25 PM
Fire has no path, it flames everywhere, small holes become blow torches, Trent you remember the pictures I sent, lessons learned. We all fear fire as at speed it's hard to manage until you get stopped and get assistance.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on March 29, 2013, 01:40:03 AM
Fire has no path, it flames everywhere, small holes become blow torches, Trent you remember the pictures I sent, lessons learned. We all fear fire as at speed it's hard to manage until you get stopped and get assistance.
Glen, pardon the reference but yes, I do remember those pictures! They are seared into my brain. Scary stuff. That is why the fuel and the rad/intercooler have an inline 6 between me and them!

Thanks for all the input so far guys! :cheers:
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: manta22 on March 29, 2013, 11:49:17 AM
Yeah, but a water soaked fire suit is a steam bath you don't want. Thay can as do absorb water.

You're right, Glen-- I forgot about that.

Regards, Neil
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: 38flattie on March 29, 2013, 06:41:34 PM
Well, thanks to Skip,Steve and Rex I have the parts and knowledge to start on my ice water tank. Picked up parts for the spray bar, my Rule pump, Intercooler and Rad. Tommorw get the sheet aluminum and will take lots of shots for all to see.

Any ideas on hole sizes in my spraybar (PVC tube)?

Trent, I have a question:

I built a rad in a tank, but submerged the whole radiator, instead of using a pump and spray bar. The heat absorption is awesome!

What is the advantage of the pump and spray bar in this setup?
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on March 29, 2013, 08:13:56 PM
Well, thanks to Skip,Steve and Rex I have the parts and knowledge to start on my ice water tank. Picked up parts for the spray bar, my Rule pump, Intercooler and Rad. Tommorw get the sheet aluminum and will take lots of shots for all to see.

Any ideas on hole sizes in my spraybar (PVC tube)?

Trent, I have a question:

I built a rad in a tank, but submerged the whole radiator, instead of using a pump and spray bar. The heat absorption is awesome!

What is the advantage of the pump and spray bar in this setup?


I will let Skip answer that one over on the HAMB where you asked. But, what I am doing is the same as you but the intercooler is in the same tank so the spraybar will be aimed at the intercooler. My rad is at teh bottom and the intercooler is stacked on it so the top is exposed.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: 38flattie on March 29, 2013, 08:43:28 PM
So it's the 'radiator' part of your intercooler? Could you put the intercooler beside the radiator, and save yourself the extra effort of the pump and spray bar?
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on March 30, 2013, 11:25:54 AM
So it's the 'radiator' part of your intercooler? Could you put the intercooler beside the radiator, and save yourself the extra effort of the pump and spray bar?

Due to space I am packaging them together. I don't think I would even need the spraybar but it will keep the water moving in the tank as the ice melts. Besides, it was a quick $30 and easy to do. Cheap insurance if we need it in my small tank.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: 38flattie on March 30, 2013, 11:29:59 AM
So it's the 'radiator' part of your intercooler? Could you put the intercooler beside the radiator, and save yourself the extra effort of the pump and spray bar?

Due to space I am packaging them together. I don't think I would even need the spraybar but it will keep the water moving in the tank as the ice melts. Besides, it was a quick $30 and easy to do. Cheap insurance if we need it in my small tank.

 :cheers:
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on April 15, 2013, 06:56:47 PM
I am at the point of welding the front uprights back on. Trying to figure out a good way to align all the parts. Since this car is rigid I won't have a good way to square the front and rear axles up afterwards. I need to be spot on the first time.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Rex Schimmer on April 15, 2013, 08:14:41 PM
Trent,
I'll bet with some time and a good tape measure, plumb bob a fairly flat floor you could get it between 1/16 to 1/8 inch square, which with a long wheel base is probably good. That being said I would never build a car without at least one axle that I can move, up and down, fore and aft and right to left. You need to be able to adjust alignment and also corner weight which you cannot do easily if it is welded solid.

Rex
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on April 15, 2013, 08:22:54 PM
Yeah Rex, plus the fact that is still welded to the jig with a centerline helps. As I was typing the last reply I envisioned a way to tack some alignment "tubes" to square the front. Basically I am just getting some solid data points out at the front axle ends.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on April 16, 2013, 09:37:48 AM
Trent,
I'll bet with some time and a good tape measure, plumb bob a fairly flat floor you could get it between 1/16 to 1/8 inch square, which with a long wheel base is probably good. That being said I would never build a car without at least one axle that I can move, up and down, fore and aft and right to left. You need to be able to adjust alignment and also corner weight which you cannot do easily if it is welded solid.

Rex

It came to me in the shower today! At least for the front axle, I am going to tack the uprights in place and hang the axle. I will dial it in with the short, adjustable control arms I plan to run. These will have your typical heim ends. I will keep this stuff temporary until the rear axle is in place and I can triple check square.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: SteveM on April 16, 2013, 10:20:43 AM
The adjustable rod ends sound like they should serve your purpose, Trent.  It sounds like you are "in the zone" - keep pushing forward, man. :cheers:

Steve
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on April 23, 2013, 06:21:19 PM
Well, we are closer to a roller!


(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/surlytman/2013-04-23161420_zps669d2d7f.jpg) (http://s90.photobucket.com/user/surlytman/media/2013-04-23161420_zps669d2d7f.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: gkabbt on April 23, 2013, 08:06:20 PM
Looking good Trent.....Keep at it!   :cheers:

Gregg
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: 38flattie on April 23, 2013, 08:12:34 PM
Looking real good, Trent!
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Captthundarr on April 23, 2013, 09:35:23 PM
Looks nice and stout Trent.

Frank.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on April 28, 2013, 06:14:18 PM
Rex, I got the front end about dead on. Less than a 1/16th and that is a stretch. Everything is just tacked and I will move on until we are ready for final welding.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Frankie7799 on April 28, 2013, 06:40:09 PM
Its coming along nicely Trent.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on May 05, 2013, 03:01:06 PM
Huge step for me. I FINALLY got the QC torn apart. The axle tubes were a little redneck and STUCK. I found a jig on the HAMB using your engine stand to pull the tubes. Clearances were bad, took two pulls and about 15 minutes of heat per tube. Now, I just have to learn how to build one of these from scratch!?!?!?!

(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/surlytman/2013-05-04204354_zpsa98927fe.jpg) (http://s90.photobucket.com/user/surlytman/media/2013-05-04204354_zpsa98927fe.jpg.html)

Tight clearances, turned down well casing? Looks like black pipe in person!

(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/surlytman/2013-05-04204416_zpsc643b273.jpg) (http://s90.photobucket.com/user/surlytman/media/2013-05-04204416_zpsc643b273.jpg.html)

Free at last, free at last!

(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/surlytman/2013-05-04195132_zps02ddcba5.jpg) (http://s90.photobucket.com/user/surlytman/media/2013-05-04195132_zps02ddcba5.jpg.html)

Apparently when you have a snout, some well casing and need to mate them you scab a larger tube on top? Hard to see but the scab was not cut off with a bandsaw, they drilled 3/16" holes all the way around until the piece fell from the stock, on both sides!?!??! Had to be 100 holes per "cut"

(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/surlytman/2013-05-04204408_zps1e6922df.jpg) (http://s90.photobucket.com/user/surlytman/media/2013-05-04204408_zps1e6922df.jpg.html)

Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Stainless1 on May 05, 2013, 03:35:08 PM
That's what happens when you re-purpose old circle track parts, you have to take the "circle track" out of them.  :roll:
 :cheers:
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Roseville Carl on May 05, 2013, 05:50:29 PM
Ain't repurposing shit neat  :wink:
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Dr Goggles on May 05, 2013, 05:57:17 PM
I dunno what that set up was made from but the ten bolt housing we "re-purposed" was made from pure un-alloyed goatskneesium , apparently the nickel in the grey iron forms something like stellite when the rose welds are done, it was chisel hard.

That's good cool weather work.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on May 05, 2013, 06:28:28 PM
Goggs, I want to clarify something that has bugged me off and on. Even following you build on the HAMB (I was registered here for years but saw it there first) I did not realize your car was called the Spirit of Sunshine! When I named our car I took from the Spirit of St Louis,Spirit of 76 the Spirit of San Diego and the fact all race cars need a name! I have a HUGE respect for history, even my business is the name of one of dads racecars!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: barrybill on May 05, 2013, 06:39:43 PM
My son and I will be in Spearfish the 2nd week of June, are you anywhere close so that we could come see? Barry
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Dr Goggles on May 05, 2013, 07:22:09 PM
Goggs, I want to clarify something that has bugged me off and on. Even following you build on the HAMB (I was registered here for years but saw it there first) I did not realize your car was called the Spirit of Sunshine! When I named our car I took from the Spirit of St Louis,Spirit of 76 the Spirit of San Diego and the fact all race cars need a name! I have a HUGE respect for history, even my business is the name of one of dads racecars!!!!!!!

It was the Reverend who put the name forward. We ind of chuckled about it at first because Sunshine is the butt of some jokes. It's always been a poor part of town and it's only now that the city is exploding westward that the real estate has become valuable. HOWEVER, Sunshine was renamed  from "Braybrook Junction" after the Sunshine Harvester Works which was started by H.V.McKay. He was a prominent industrialist, philanthropist and eventually politician. The Sunshine Harvester Works were the sight of the original "living wage" claim and was a standout exercise in both the nature of it's business model and the way it treated it's workers. Thus, Sunshine has always had a bit of "soul"........the more we thought about it the better it seemed, the name had history, quite apart from it's literal meaning.

I like living there, so the name seems just right. :cheers:
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on May 06, 2013, 11:19:20 AM
My son and I will be in Spearfish the 2nd week of June, are you anywhere close so that we could come see? Barry

I am south of Rapid City so it would be a little over an hours drive. If you are doing Mt Rushmore or any of the tourist stuff you will be nearby.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on May 06, 2013, 11:28:12 AM
That's what happens when you re-purpose old circle track parts, you have to take the "circle track" out of them.  :roll:
 :cheers:

Those roundy rounders will do anything to scab stuff back together to make the Friday night race.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on May 10, 2013, 03:53:02 PM
Could not let Sparky have all the exhaust fun so I jumped back on the header last night. I had brushed it aside a few weeks back. In less than 30 minutes I had 3 els roughed in and ready for final fit :roll:

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Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Frankie7799 on May 10, 2013, 10:41:00 PM
Looks like your gonna have an easier time than Sparky did T lol
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on May 10, 2013, 11:13:56 PM
Looks like your gonna have an easier time than Sparky did T lol

Still tight as all get out. The inline makes the area around the engine easy but I have a ton of stuff that needs to go above the tranny/rearend and behind that with the chut tube!
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Dr Goggles on May 11, 2013, 05:04:37 AM
Looks like your gonna have an easier time than Sparky did T lol

Still tight as all get out. The inline makes the area around the engine easy but I have a ton of stuff that needs to go above the tranny/rearend and behind that with the chut tube!

ahhh stop yer complainin' :cheers:
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on May 11, 2013, 09:36:00 AM
Looks like your gonna have an easier time than Sparky did T lol

Still tight as all get out. The inline makes the area around the engine easy but I have a ton of stuff that needs to go above the tranny/rearend and behind that with the chut tube!

ahhh stop yer complainin' :cheers:

Yeah, I guese the extra 5 feet leaves me a little better off than you guys! :-P
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: gearheadeh on May 11, 2013, 10:30:13 AM
That's what happens when you re-purpose old circle track parts, you have to take the "circle track" out of them.  :roll:
 :cheers:

 :-D
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Roseville Carl on May 11, 2013, 03:07:49 PM
Keep on keepin on Trent. I wanna see this plumbed up to the Turbo before long!
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on May 12, 2013, 11:55:53 AM
Keep on keepin on Trent. I wanna see this plumbed up to the Turbo before long!

I keep on jumping around to avoid the burnout I kept getting in the past!
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: 38flattie on May 12, 2013, 12:25:37 PM
I too, want to see the turbo! :cheers:
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: tauruck on May 13, 2013, 05:59:24 AM
Trent, get it over with. Show them. :-D :-D
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on May 27, 2013, 06:55:14 PM
Made a jig (wooden dowel) to get the axles in the right place and measure my tubes. Tubes are cut! Damn this thing is narrow!~

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(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/surlytman/2013-05-27142342_zpsd1b353ba.jpg) (http://s90.photobucket.com/user/surlytman/media/2013-05-27142342_zpsd1b353ba.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Glen on May 27, 2013, 07:46:20 PM
That's not narrow :-D
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on May 27, 2013, 08:26:51 PM
That's not narrow :-D

Well then, you know more than I!
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Peter Jack on May 27, 2013, 08:30:37 PM
That's wide Trent. Take a look at some of the liners.  :-D :-D :evil:

Pete
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Glen on May 27, 2013, 08:36:05 PM
Trent, the 444 car has 24 " tread width in the rear,the 111 car has 17" front, 12 " rear, that's narrow, right PJ. :cheers:
And there are disc brakes on all 4 corners. yeah it's tight.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on May 27, 2013, 09:46:22 PM
I am almost double that Glen! I hope I nailed my numbers, want to keep the wheels away from the body aero. I know it will be right when all assembled. I am also considering adding a foot to the wheelbase like we talked about above. would make life easier.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Peter Jack on May 28, 2013, 02:02:14 AM
I think you should be just fine for a lakester Trent. Keep on keeping on! Progress is GOOD!  :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

Pete
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: SPARKY on May 28, 2013, 05:46:48 AM
T-Man
I keep on jumping around to avoid the burnout I kept getting in the past!

That helps in many ways---some times when you get back to it--it wants something else---or maybe you do---changes evolve---especially when you start with a clean sheet of paper and do not have a lot of building under ones belt---like me---then turbos are so, so different. :roll:
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on May 28, 2013, 11:00:35 AM
T-Man
I keep on jumping around to avoid the burnout I kept getting in the past!

That helps in many ways---some times when you get back to it--it wants something else---or maybe you do---changes evolve---especially when you start with a clean sheet of paper and do not have a lot of building under ones belt---like me---then turbos are so, so different. :roll:

Since I am working alone I need to do it this way. But, I have good news, my partner Tom just closed on their new house a few miles away so help is forthcoming.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: moparmissle on June 14, 2013, 12:31:41 AM
Just read the whole build, nice job,.
 Are there any updates?
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: SPARKY on June 14, 2013, 09:11:41 AM
T'man---to Tom being able to help  :cheers:
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on June 14, 2013, 10:01:41 AM
No updates at the moment. Hanging a garage door in the space my barn doors occupied. I need to take some house time this summer and finish up what I started 6 years back!

Sparky, I hope Tom gets settled. They are having trouble closing on the house. I drove by it last night after little league. Killer spread with an amazing shop in the Shadows of Mt Rushmore.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on June 17, 2013, 03:45:59 PM
Well, this is what kept me away from the computer all weekend. The barn doors were temp shop doors that I was going to reface with some fancy tin,wood and large windows. I decided I had enough projects from scratch and bout a better functioning =overhead door.

(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/surlytman/2013-06-15161721_zps990ead7b.jpg) (http://s90.photobucket.com/user/surlytman/media/2013-06-15161721_zps990ead7b.jpg.html)

(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/surlytman/2013-06-16154920_zps0a9a9a33.jpg) (http://s90.photobucket.com/user/surlytman/media/2013-06-16154920_zps0a9a9a33.jpg.html)

Now the rest of the summer will be spent getting the rest of the outside done! Along with the concrete work out front.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Captthundarr on June 17, 2013, 08:47:47 PM
Wow Trent it looks like you even have electricity in there. :-D I feel your pain. I'm a couple of weekeknds away from finishing our master bath remod. A 2 year project. Good thing Amy wanted the race car as well. :-D
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on June 22, 2013, 05:06:12 PM
Wow Trent it looks like you even have electricity in there. :-D I feel your pain. I'm a couple of weekeknds away from finishing our master bath remod. A 2 year project. Good thing Amy wanted the race car as well. :-D

We do in fact. I get some interesting looks when I tell folks it is a straw bale house. But, it has weathered 114mph gusts that blew a modular off its foundation out here.

Just got back from Toms new place. His shop is awesome so we have a second place to work on the car. I brought some house/shop warming beer and our local made Rhubarb Wine to christen the place. We talked Bonneville and engine plans. And since I have garage doors on my mind I made a big save for him by spotting the garage door bracket that had broke loose and was only held up by one bolt. He was lucky the door had not crashed on his dailies! Turns out one lag only went into sheetrock! :-o
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Dr Goggles on June 22, 2013, 07:06:05 PM
We do in fact. I get some interesting looks when I tell folks it is a straw bale house. But, it has weathered 114mph gusts that blew a modular off its foundation out here.

You'll be fine unless a big bad wolf turns up.

I spent my teens in mud-bricks, my brother and I made them all by hand....always saw bale houses as a great idea for the more extremkem climes, good to hear about your progress T.

Dr G
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Captthundarr on June 22, 2013, 07:51:01 PM
Saw some stuff on the tube about building bale house some years back. I thought it was too neat. 2 shops is 2 much. Amys car is in the driver way and the tools and parts are in the garage. :roll: One day I'll scrape up some cash and put a two bay in the back yard,oh ya.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on June 22, 2013, 08:14:50 PM
I am just happy to have my pal Tom this close. 400 miles was the distance before. He is exicted to get settled and to work on some toys. His 56 Chevy comes home next week and he found a 409 powered Biscayne to play with as well.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on June 23, 2013, 07:03:47 AM
Quick tangential question:  You mean there really is such a thing as a bale house?  Nancy and I were touring on the Gold Wind a bunch of years ago and saw what sure appeared to be a bale house - a BF bale house, at that - someplace out west.  Might have been Utah, might have been Oregon, might have been someplace else.  But it certainly was a bale house.  We still talk about it once in a while - still thinking it was a one-off.  Now you go and tell me that they aren't that uncommon.  Prove it -- show me photos!

I now return you to the regular thread ('cept that I'm waiting to see photos :-o)
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Buickguy3 on June 23, 2013, 08:26:07 AM
   Jon,
  They have been building the bale houses here on the Crow Indian Reservation for a few years. I'll see if I can find a link.
  Doug  :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Buickguy3 on June 23, 2013, 08:30:49 AM
Here ya go Jon. 
    http://www.communityservices.nd.gov/uploads%5Cresources%5C207%5Cstrawbale.pdf

  Doug  :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on June 23, 2013, 09:27:21 AM
Well I'll be go to hay.  The house we saw was pretty big -- really big.  And it didn't have stucco or cement or anything but bales walls (outside, at least).  But there's no question -- the house was made of bales of something.  Now if it had been in northern California the bales might have been locally-grown weed, but I'm pretty sure it was regular straw (from the color, not the aroma).

Thanks for the information, ladies and germs.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on June 23, 2013, 10:33:09 AM
Well I'll be go to hay.  The house we saw was pretty big -- really big.  And it didn't have stucco or cement or anything but bales walls (outside, at least).  But there's no question -- the house was made of bales of something.  Now if it had been in northern California the bales might have been locally-grown weed, but I'm pretty sure it was regular straw (from the color, not the aroma).

Thanks for the information, ladies and germs.

Straw, not hay Jon! And our is pretty big as well. 38x50 footprint. 3800 sq ft up and down total. What you saw was probably under construction before they stuccoed it. There are several here in the Black Hills. Nebraska and Wyoming have a lot of history with these. They came about along with the invention of the mechanical baler. Imagine living in a dirty sod house and seeing these nice clean bales of straw? It didn't take them long to figure out that they made better building blocks than dirt!
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on June 23, 2013, 04:52:15 PM
The straw house we saw showed every indication of having been there for a good number of years - tings like driveway wear and tear, yard kinda tended but now weedy, and so on -- certainly did NOT look like it was under cornstruction.  But it was strange-looking to us from the UP.

Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Jack Gifford on June 24, 2013, 01:35:29 AM
Buickguy- thanks for the link. I quickly looked it over, but didn't read the whole thing. How do they keep the stucco from cracking in time? Is some framing (wood, etc.) employed?
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on June 24, 2013, 11:10:51 AM
Buickguy- thanks for the link. I quickly looked it over, but didn't read the whole thing. How do they keep the stucco from cracking in time? Is some framing (wood, etc.) employed?

Jack, ours is a hybrid. Part of the bales are load bearing and part are in-fill with post construction. For load bearing you pre-tension the bales. Our has a box beam on top that gets cinched down with cable to the bottom plate. As for the stuccco, it works as well as on a stick built house.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Buickguy3 on June 25, 2013, 11:07:17 AM
   Here's a link to several local articles around our area.
http://billingsgazette.com/search/?l=25&skin=/&sd=desc&s=start_time&f=html&q=straw bale house

  Doug  :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on July 19, 2013, 10:02:06 PM
Minor curve in the road. Lost the daily job a few days back. Looking for something new and working on developing the parts business. Thankfully our overhead is low and we have a safety net. The plan is still to be at Speedweek. I do not know if I will be driving the truck, keeping my safety gear budget in reserve but thanks to Doug Odom I do have a 20 suit. Thanks Doug! :cheers:
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Roseville Carl on July 22, 2013, 02:33:51 PM
Damn Trent that sucks, hoping the best for you in finding another one .......... Carl 
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on July 23, 2013, 12:01:11 PM
No worries Carl. The new full time job is to finish this house. I am also going to work on the hot rod and race parts business, hoping to develop it into a full time gig. Meet with some top notch web folk tomorrow.

But also hitting the streets looking at other jobs/opportunities. Lots of stuff out there in this area.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: 38flattie on July 23, 2013, 12:51:20 PM
Well, there's a huge oil play just north of you-lots of time off, and good pay!
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on July 23, 2013, 09:26:29 PM
Well, there's a huge oil play just north of you-lots of time off, and good pay!

Need to pick your brain about that as well Buddy
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Stainless1 on July 24, 2013, 08:44:22 AM
Too close to SpeedWeek to look for a job...  :roll: hard to tell your new boss that you need a week off just after you start  :-o

Good luck with the quest Trent
See ya on the salt  8-)
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Ron Gibson on July 24, 2013, 09:59:33 AM
Years ago when I had an over the road semi tractor, I leased to an inter-modal company. I told him "I go  to Bonneville every August"  He said, what will you do if I tell you "you haven't been here long enough"?
I said, "No problem, I'll find new work for my truck when I get back". :-D

Ron
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on September 08, 2013, 02:37:25 PM
Too close to SpeedWeek to look for a job...  :roll: hard to tell your new boss that you need a week off just after you start  :-o

Good luck with the quest Trent
See ya on the salt  8-)

Thanks, still on the hunt. Lots of jobs up here.

This year on the salt was a huge epiphany for me. 3 seasons of crewing for Tim 2 of which as crewchief/ chase truck driver got me to the point of knowing what to do. We/I have a system and it works. I could not imagine coming to the salt with a car green and no experience!

As for the car, I am taking a break and reorganizing the shop. It got to be a huge mess. Javier is hanging onto my tranny down in Texas, I need to figure out the shipping to get it out of his hair. Their trip to the salt fell apart so I didn't pick it up then. Thanks for your patience JD! Tom is getting settled up the hill and will be ready to work on the engine this winter. It is nice to have a car buddy so close. Him and my folks are 10 minutes from here.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Dr Goggles on September 08, 2013, 04:56:55 PM
Hang in there Trent, had a windy,rough stretch myself. The salt is something that will keep you sane and gives your something to focus on when all else is,well,brown.............

Oh yeah,better, way better and getting betterer all the time. ;-)
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on September 08, 2013, 04:58:09 PM
Hang in there Trent, had a windy,rough stretch myself. The salt is something that will keep you sane and gives your something to focus on when all else is,well,brown.............

Oh yeah,better, way better and getting betterer all the time. ;-)

Thanks James! That is a nice pick me up that I need right now, you are a good friend.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: wobblywalrus on September 09, 2013, 01:11:57 AM
My father got laid off a few times when I was growing up.  It was tough when he was not working.  Each time the new job he got was better than the old one.  In the end, it was a good thing he was laid off.  It gave him new and better opportunities.   
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on September 09, 2013, 06:18:03 PM
Sneak peek. Here is the completed pattern for my 1st product, a full foot hot rod and racecar peddle. It gets sent to the foundry this week. Thicker than most out there, room for a toe loop to bolt on.

(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/surlytman/th_2013-09-09161430_zps4ba133d2.jpg) (http://s90.photobucket.com/user/surlytman/media/2013-09-09161430_zps4ba133d2.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Captthundarr on September 09, 2013, 06:57:33 PM
Trent, I can think of a use for one of those   :-D

Frank
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Peter Jack on September 09, 2013, 07:11:37 PM
Sneak peek. Here is the completed pattern for my 1st product, a full foot hot rod and racecar peddle. It gets sent to the foundry this week. Thicker than most out there, room for a toe loop to bolt on.

(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/surlytman/th_2013-09-09161430_zps4ba133d2.jpg) (http://s90.photobucket.com/user/surlytman/media/2013-09-09161430_zps4ba133d2.jpg.html)

How's your wife feeling about her waffle iron? ???  :-D :-D :-D

Pete
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on September 09, 2013, 07:13:23 PM
Sneak peek. Here is the completed pattern for my 1st product, a full foot hot rod and racecar peddle. It gets sent to the foundry this week. Thicker than most out there, room for a toe loop to bolt on.

(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/surlytman/th_2013-09-09161430_zps4ba133d2.jpg) (http://s90.photobucket.com/user/surlytman/media/2013-09-09161430_zps4ba133d2.jpg.html)

How's your wife feeling about her waffle iron? ???  :-D :-D :-D

Pete

Funny, Ironically the PN for this is the WH-1.........................................wafflehouse and the first product!
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: lsrjunkie on September 10, 2013, 09:32:30 AM
Looks pretty good to me Trent!  :cheers: I really like the lip around the bottom to keep your foot from wandering off.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: jdeleon on September 10, 2013, 06:26:57 PM
Don't worry about your tranny  Trent ..  It's in a wood crate in my shop.  Its not in my way.  When ever we find a 'inexpensive' way to get it from the very bottom of Texas to SD it'll be ready to go !
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on September 10, 2013, 06:57:26 PM
Don't worry about your tranny  Trent ..  It's in a wood crate in my shop.  Its not in my way.  When ever we find a 'inexpensive' way to get it from the very bottom of Texas to SD it'll be ready to go !

Thanks man, you have been great through this whole process!~
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Jack Gifford on September 11, 2013, 01:50:48 AM
Tman- just a suggestion- since Mr.Gasket still markets an Eelco-look-alike pedal (~$50), how about incorporating new features in yours, to entice buyers?
One thing I'd like to see is more flexibility regarding hinge-centerline orientation. The couple of times I used an Eelco (in the distant past), I needed to modify the hinge to fit the application.
Maybe include a toe strap with every pedal- easily removed if desired, but no need for the buyer to cobble up a strap. And it would provide a spot for your brand name!
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on September 11, 2013, 01:03:02 PM
Jack, this will have a movable pivot on the back to allow varied mounting positions. It seems there are so many variables between hot rods and all the types of racecars that I want it to be adaptable. I have thought about including the toe loop, I use simple aluminum strap but I may have to design one that is cast with our name in it. This pedal is about twice as thick as any that have been sold and will put up with much abuse. I will also have a square pedal and round brake/clutch pedals to go with it.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: tauruck on September 13, 2013, 11:02:23 PM
Trent, you'll come out on top for sure. That pedal looks great and will be a success. Have Faith bro.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Roseville Carl on September 16, 2013, 02:34:23 AM
Trent build your own foundry and pour them yourself............. small parts are fun!!!!
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on September 16, 2013, 09:38:39 AM
Trent build your own foundry and pour them yourself............. small parts are fun!!!!

I would but I have too many projects as it is! Plus, I am using one of the best foundries out there. I plan on several products as well.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Roseville Carl on September 17, 2013, 12:35:05 AM
not planning on a two port injector for a 471 are you???
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on September 17, 2013, 09:43:58 AM
not planning on a two port injector for a 471 are you???

Hahaha, not at the moment Carl but you will be the first to know!
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on October 07, 2013, 03:13:00 PM
The good news............got 4 days at the house with nothing to do. The bad news................spent 3 days without power! Broke out the finest camp gear from Mr Coleman and cooked on the ol stove, lit the shop with the lantern and read, a lot!@
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: gkabbt on October 07, 2013, 04:36:14 PM
The good news............got 4 days at the house with nothing to do. The bad news................spent 3 days without power! Broke out the finest camp gear from Mr Coleman and cooked on the ol stove, lit the shop with the lantern and read, a lot!@

Thanks for the update Trent! Lynda and I were wondering how you guys made out with all that snow.
Maybe we should have waited a month to visit.....LOL!  :-D

Gregg
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Captthundarr on October 07, 2013, 05:47:46 PM
Ditto what Gregg said. Me and Amy were thinking of you as well.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on October 08, 2013, 09:21:21 AM
Thanks guys! This was a bad one, there are still folks that do not have power. Some of the ranch country may be out for a week. Lots of livestock lost. Typical of us it went up to the 50s,60s and 70s within hours. Our only drift was a 3 footer at the front door and by yesterday morn it was gone and the ground was dry. Rapid City and the Northern Hills got hit a lot worse. Thousands of trees down, huge drifts. The 4 lane streets were down to one lane plowed yesterday as they tried to get everything open. We even made the spotlight on The Weather Channel but it is not doom and gloom as they played it. If you listen to them we will be digging out for weeks :roll:
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: tauruck on October 08, 2013, 11:21:41 AM
We take power for granted until we don't have it. We had blackouts here for a year. Six hours every day. They called it something else but it was a blackout. Good to hear you guys are OK.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Captthundarr on October 08, 2013, 06:29:49 PM
Glad to hear it as well. We have been blessed this year with no storms, read hurricanes. Same deal, 2 days of raging weather then a week of sunshine and no power. :roll:

Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on October 08, 2013, 07:08:18 PM
Glad to hear it as well. We have been blessed this year with no storms, read hurricanes. Same deal, 2 days of raging weather then a week of sunshine and no power. :roll:



I should have taken pictures. 24 hours and 6 foot drifts just vanish!
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Buickguy3 on October 11, 2013, 08:00:30 AM
  Out here we get most of our power from coal fired generation plants. The enviro-wackos from out of the area would like to shut them down [read clean them up beyond current scientific limits]. They need to leave it alone until there are plants in place to provide consistant power day and nite that meet their idea of "clean" or we'll all be in the cold and dark.
   Doug  :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on October 11, 2013, 04:48:46 PM
Doug, we just need the Center of the country to secede and let the loonies fend for themselves! :-D :evil:
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Buickguy3 on October 11, 2013, 11:57:00 PM
  Agreed! We tried to give Western Montana to Idaho or Washington and they refused. Why would you unplug your old inefficient beer cooler before your new and improved model had been built, delivered, and cooled down?
  Doug  :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on October 19, 2013, 07:00:19 PM
I have good news and bad news. On the job front that is. Good news, I have a new venture lined up that holds a LOT of promise! The bad news? It won't happen until around the first of the year. I can not tell you how excited I am for the future. I think I just used up some stockpiled Kharma points. Oh yeah, the new venture is very conductive to hot rods and LSR :wink:  That said, I am still developing products and the parts business.  That will not change :cheers:
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Captthundarr on October 19, 2013, 08:24:47 PM
Woo hoo Tman, good karma,  good karma.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Peter Jack on October 19, 2013, 08:30:49 PM
Great news Trent!!! We're looking forward to further details.  :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

Also continued progress on the Spirit of SD.  :-D

Pete
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on October 19, 2013, 10:21:18 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9TByT3QlWc

"got plans to be in a warmer town come summertime."

We're pullin' for ya, Trent.  :cheers:
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on October 19, 2013, 10:29:10 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9TByT3QlWc

"got plans to be in a warmer town come summertime."

We're pullin' for ya, Trent.  :cheers:

WOW! You do not realize (or maybe you do) how much I dig classic country! Thanks, that made my night!
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: tauruck on October 20, 2013, 03:14:42 AM
Good luck with the new venture Trent. I hope it's infectious and more guys get lucky. :cheers:
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Stan Back on October 21, 2013, 06:11:40 PM
Never mind -- Chris had it covered.

Merle has been to Bonneville almost every time I have.  And goes home with me, too.  That was a nice, early virgin.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on October 22, 2013, 05:09:58 PM
Great minds think alike Stan.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: SPARKY on October 22, 2013, 09:46:42 PM
to the JOB  :cheers:
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on October 30, 2013, 03:41:37 PM
Bad news but we saw it coming. My lil brother who is pictured in this thread just landed in Tulsa OK. Huge promotion for him, huge loss for South Dakota. He is 12 years younger than me so it wasn't until the last 8 years here in Rapid City that I got to know him well. (college and moves got in the way for both of us). But, he is so close to the HAMB Drags that I have a new excuse to go back!
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: aussievetteracer on October 30, 2013, 05:17:02 PM
Merle is well travelled- he accompanies me to Lake Gairdner.
                                                                                  Denis
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on November 14, 2013, 05:04:30 PM
Well, I am back in the game with a great mindset. Finishing the strawbale house, working on the lakester and even drug my tudor out of storage since I need a hotrod to drive!.

Here is the first run of race pedals. I am so happy my patternmaking turned out ok. I had never done anything like this before. They are bigger and beefier than anything out there. The old originals I have seen from the 50s and 60s feel quite flimsy to me. We may refine the size and heft a bit but for now, enjoy!


(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/surlytman/2013-11-14084316_zpse6a75c09.jpg) (http://s90.photobucket.com/user/surlytman/media/2013-11-14084316_zpse6a75c09.jpg.html)

(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/surlytman/2013-11-14084302_zpsa0f91058.jpg) (http://s90.photobucket.com/user/surlytman/media/2013-11-14084302_zpsa0f91058.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Peter Jack on November 14, 2013, 06:26:29 PM
They look good Trent!  :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

Pete
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on November 14, 2013, 06:44:37 PM
They look good Trent!  :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

Pete

Thanks PJ! All my pals that saw the first ones today think I need to downsize them to 7/8ths scale, I think they may be right. #1 will go in the tudor or lakester however. I like them.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Stan Back on November 14, 2013, 08:50:37 PM
 salty, slippery foot with boots on needs a big target.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Captthundarr on November 14, 2013, 09:08:35 PM
Yep looks good Trent, gotta love product development. :cheers:
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: tauruck on November 14, 2013, 09:35:13 PM
Really nice work Trent. Patternmaking is no joke and that result is excellent especially since you're a beginner. Have one on me and I hope you do well with the venture. :cheers:
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on November 15, 2013, 11:28:23 AM
Thanks guys, I have several more products in the que, mainly hotrod stuff but I am doing a swin pedal that would work on some race apps.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Glen on November 15, 2013, 11:28:56 AM
Trent, do you have a pivot that's goes with the pedal, center or heel attachment. Or is this something the buyer has to make.Just wondering. :cheers:
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: jl222 on November 15, 2013, 12:25:26 PM
Thanks guys, I have several more products in the que, mainly hotrod stuff but I am doing a swin pedal that would work on some race apps.

  I used a similar petal on my blown 55 chev gasser in the early sixties also used a hydraulic throttle with it, worked great with easy hookup.

              JL222
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on November 15, 2013, 06:54:46 PM
Trent, do you have a pivot that's goes with the pedal, center or heel attachment. Or is this something the buyer has to make.Just wondering. :cheers:

I have a pivot setup that will work midway as a rocker or on the heel for a bottom pivot. Bolt on steel bracket with oilight bushings. I think I will sell it as a kit so it can be modded to fit the owners needs. May also offer the pedal bare for folks that want to bolt them to an oem style gas pedal.

On a similar note, how are lakesters and liners like Vescos running the throlle from front to the rear engine? I have mine roughed out in my head but would like to compare.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Glen on November 15, 2013, 07:29:01 PM
We  run a Morse cable on both cars, the can be made push or pull and any length. On my dragster and lakester I used hydraulic. both work well for difficult routing. I also used a hydraulic clutch master and slave on the lakester.Hydraulic systems need a bleed port ,like a brake bleeder to get the air out
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Elmo Rodge on November 15, 2013, 08:19:40 PM
Trent, I use a cable on my Tank. Wayno
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on November 16, 2013, 12:16:13 AM
Glen, wayno, thanks. I am using a Hydro clutch so I have that covered. Cable in a tube or morse cable was the plan for the throttle.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Peter Jack on November 16, 2013, 02:29:28 AM
The Morse cable or something similar is the way to go if you want to use a cable. With that assembly the toe loop becomes functional because you can push with the cable assembly if for some reason the throttle loses interest in returning.  :roll: :roll: :evil:

Pete
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on November 16, 2013, 12:39:41 PM
The Morse cable or something similar is the way to go if you want to use a cable. With that assembly the toe loop becomes functional because you can push with the cable assembly if for some reason the throttle loses interest in returning.  :roll: :roll: :evil:

Pete

That is what I was thinking PJ!
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Roseville Carl on November 16, 2013, 02:24:51 PM
Pedals look great Trent, keep up the good work!  8-)
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on November 17, 2013, 11:22:12 AM
Pedals look great Trent, keep up the good work!  8-)

Thanks Carl.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on November 25, 2013, 06:31:47 PM
Great news! We finally have a pal that can haul our tranny back from JD in South Texas! Well, part way or at least to speedweek next year. But, Wellington Texas is way closer than the border!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: lsrjunkie on November 26, 2013, 09:40:00 AM
Awesome man! Good to hear it!  :cheers:
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on December 04, 2013, 06:57:42 PM
Special thanks to Jdeleon for holding onto that tranny for 7 months and a couple failed relays! It has been picked up and should be at a pals place after the Holidays. We will then ship it here. Thanks Javier! :cheers:
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: jdeleon on December 04, 2013, 09:48:08 PM
Your Welcome Trent..  Hope it works out for you.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Scottie J on December 04, 2013, 11:37:52 PM
Very cool build you have going on.  And those new pedals look real nice.  Keep up the great work!    :-)

Scottie
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on December 06, 2013, 04:15:28 PM
Thanks JD and Scottie both. I hope to have the tranny here sometime after the first of the year.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on December 14, 2013, 03:23:13 PM
Just got a text saying the tranny is in the good hands of Bob in Wellington texas! Now if he doesn't try and drop it into his bellytank!
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on December 25, 2013, 11:24:35 AM
Merry Christmas from South Dakota.

Awesome day outside, should end up close to 50 degrees. Shop was 60 when I woke up. Good thing, the electric aux heater died yesterday. I use it to take the chill off before the wood furnace kicks in.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Captthundarr on December 25, 2013, 03:20:43 PM
Merry Christmas Trent, we are spending part of the week at some oceanfront house my folks rented. A bit chilly but sweet.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Roseville Carl on December 26, 2013, 01:22:05 AM
Happy Holidays Trent hoping to see the "Spirit" hit the salt this year!!
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on December 27, 2013, 05:12:39 PM
Happy Holidays Trent hoping to see the "Spirit" hit the salt this year!!

Thanks Carl. I am working away on things but I doubt something will happen this year. I am still in job limbo so I am forging ahead with my own things instead of relying on others. Hope to push forward on the hot rod parts and doing some rep work for promotionals, (EZ UPs, team clothing, T shirts etc. )
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Dr Goggles on December 27, 2013, 06:13:35 PM
Hey Trent, shame you won't be ready for this year because I'd love to see the car,I'll see you though,well be there and this time there's plans for a jaunt from Wendover up to the Pacific north coast and then down...........
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Buickguy3 on December 27, 2013, 08:25:30 PM
   Dr,
     Drop by the pit in August. If you are in the Montana area when you pass through I could buy a beer and give a day-tour or something.
   Doug  :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Dr Goggles on December 27, 2013, 08:49:15 PM
   Dr,
     Drop by the pit in August. If you are in the Montana area when you pass through I could buy a beer and give a day-tour or something.
   Doug  :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

Did someone just say beer?

Thanks Doug, see you in August. :cheers:
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on December 27, 2013, 09:15:29 PM
Doug, are you sure you're up to a visit from the good Dr. G?  After all -- you had Pork Pie visit you last autumn and that must have taken quite a while to fully recover.  Sure you want a foreign visitor again? :roll: :evil:
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Elmo Rodge on December 27, 2013, 10:05:32 PM



oh, I dunno. Goggles has been to the Rodge Mahal 2 or 3 times and I'm OK I'm OK I'm ok I'm ok. :-) WaynoK I'm OK I'm OK....................
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Dr Goggles on December 27, 2013, 10:52:52 PM



oh, I dunno. Goggles has been to the Rodge Mahal 2 or 3 times and I'm OK I'm OK I'm ok I'm ok. :-) WaynoK I'm OK I'm OK....................

By who's reckoning?

We'll be there too, Standby Salina, preparing to land.........
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Elmo Rodge on December 28, 2013, 10:20:42 AM
Cool.  8-) Wayno
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Buickguy3 on December 28, 2013, 11:31:41 AM
    I survived interpreting Pork Pie's German /English, surely interpreting Aussie can't be that bad. He'd probably have to live with rot gut American beer though or some of that micro-brew stuff from Billings.
    Doug  :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Sumner on December 28, 2013, 11:36:06 AM
... Standby Salina, preparing to land.........

Well if you are going to be that close, you should stop by Blanding  :cheers: .

Sum
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on December 28, 2013, 05:05:15 PM
    I survived interpreting Pork Pie's German /English, surely interpreting Aussie can't be that bad. He'd probably have to live with rot gut American beer though or some of that micro-brew stuff from Billings.
    Doug  :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

Trust me, he likes US Microbrews.  :cheers:
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on January 02, 2014, 12:46:20 AM
Lost my engine partner, a pal and a new job due to some wanker not getting his shit together (same guy) . Starting over in 2014. Shop dog was put down today  (tumor)) but we are good.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Peter Jack on January 02, 2014, 01:09:39 AM
I'm really sorry to hear that Trent. I really hope things go well for you in the New Year. It's been a rough few months.

It's tough losing a dog. I've often found it tougher than losing a family member but then again I live alone and the dog is pretty much my constant companion.

I'm sure things will come together for you and you'll be moving forward again shortly. GOOD LUCK!  :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

Pete
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Glen on January 02, 2014, 11:51:34 AM
Loosing a pet is hard, Our 11 year old doxie is having surgery today for a large tumor on her throat.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: kiwi belly tank on January 02, 2014, 12:06:58 PM
I lost a wife & a dog at the same time, I really miss the dog. :cry:
  Sid.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Freud on January 02, 2014, 12:22:52 PM
We build great compassion for our pets. Dogs, cats or whatever.

Grieving can last a long time.

Sorry Peter.

FREUD
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: fredvance on January 02, 2014, 12:45:33 PM
My sympathy on loosing your dog!! We lost one of ours last year. Tough deal.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Peter Jack on January 02, 2014, 12:51:32 PM
We build great compassion for our pets. Dogs, cats or whatever.

Grieving can last a long time.

Sorry Peter.

FREUD

In this case it was Trent lost his pooch. It's been about 11 years since I've gone through that experience. It really can be a tough time.

Keep your chin up Trent and keep moving forward. 2014 should be a good year. Working on your own projects where you don't have to depend on others is often the best way to go.

Pete
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: lsrjunkie on January 02, 2014, 01:01:34 PM
Tough stuff to go through Trent. Keep your head up. I've found the best thing for me to do when I'm feeling down is to go down to the shop, crank up the radio, and spend some quality time on the car.

If ya need anything man, I've got yer back.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: tauruck on January 02, 2014, 01:05:25 PM
Wankers are a dime a dozen.

A dog is another story. No better friend in the world.
Sorry to hear about the dog.
It's a rough deal.
Go well Trent. God Bless you.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Freud on January 02, 2014, 02:13:10 PM
Trent I apologize for directing my sympathy to Peter.

Please accept the same version that I sent him.

It's been 2 years since we lost our 12 year old Persian

cat and both of us still think of her. We replaced her

with 2 cats from the same litter and we frequently

call them by her name.

Stay strong. Tears are one of the consequences.

FREUD
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 02, 2014, 03:07:16 PM
Aw man, rough deal. I have had my new dog for six months now,I still call her Ollie every now and then,Ollie died six and a bit years ago. Woogie, my new dog is steadily taking up my time,no doubt she'll be missed the way Ollie was.A real friend helps a friend out and if your dog had a tumour you did the right thing. Hard,but right.

As for the two legged transgressor,his loss. Keep yer chin up,you'll find someone better.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on January 02, 2014, 05:29:44 PM
Thanks guys. The dog issue was really tough for our 6 year old boy. For about 30 minutes and now he wants another dog. I had a meeting this morning at a car dealership and was hired on the spot. Father/son owned lot and pretty casual and low stress. I actually worked at Ford dealership with the dad back in college.

So yes, things are and will be fine :cheers:
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Roseville Carl on January 02, 2014, 05:41:16 PM
Thats great news Trent, here's hoping 14 will be a banner year for you!!!
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: wobblywalrus on January 05, 2014, 01:32:49 AM
Hope you are OK in the next few days, Trent.  It looks like it will be seriously cold according to the weather reports.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on January 05, 2014, 01:59:12 PM
Hope you are OK in the next few days, Trent.  It looks like it will be seriously cold according to the weather reports.

Cool today but should be warming all week. It is worse East of us, the Hills shelter our area.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: tauruck on January 06, 2014, 10:50:09 AM
Good to hear you got hired and at a FORD dealership. :cheers:

Nothing better than that. :-D

Have a great year, you deserve it. God Bless you.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on January 07, 2014, 12:43:40 AM
Good to hear you got hired and at a FORD dealership. :cheers:

Nothing better than that. :-D

Have a great year, you deserve it. God Bless you.

Not Ford, those guys are the worst dealership around here (but I like Fords). We both worked there eons ago. This is an independent dealer. Used stuff. Today was my first and busy as all get out. We are on the main intersection in town with Dodge on one corner, Jeep/VW on another and Nissan/Hyundai on the last. A good mid sized family run lot. Thanks for your thought Mike. It means a lot.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: tauruck on January 07, 2014, 03:02:10 AM
That's how I got into the motor trade. Used is tough but you've been there before.

Life is one big test and you've come this far by toughing it out.

Trent, we'll be thinking of you daily over here. :cheers:
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: manta22 on January 07, 2014, 11:19:24 AM
Mike;

As John Wayne once said "Life is tough: if you're stupid it's even tougher."

Another from Chief Dan George in "The Outlaw Josey Wales": "Endeavor to persevere".

Good luck in your new job.

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on January 07, 2014, 11:36:49 AM
When I sold cars and trucks - in a recent lifetime - the dealership had "regular" used cars on the lot and across the street a "B" lot for the cheapie used cars.  The cars that went there were vehicles that we got in trade for basically nothing or close to it.  We'd price them fairly high, but that was to allow the potential buyer to work us down a bit - so he'd feel good about the deal.  And then we'd finance them in-house, requiring a good down payment and then monthly payments.  Funny, though -- the down payment was usually the amount we had invested in the car - purchase (trade in), clean up, lot "rent" to the dealership itself.  In other words, if we didn't evver get one payment other than the down -- we made money anyway.  We could then either write it off at no loss -- or go after the customer to get our money - or the car back to start over.  It worked.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Captthundarr on January 07, 2014, 10:58:10 PM
Good for you Trent, "endeavor to persevere" are word I live by and utter almost daily. Keep on Keeping on Tman.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on January 08, 2014, 01:20:41 AM
When I sold cars and trucks - in a recent lifetime - the dealership had "regular" used cars on the lot and across the street a "B" lot for the cheapie used cars.  The cars that went there were vehicles that we got in trade for basically nothing or close to it.  We'd price them fairly high, but that was to allow the potential buyer to work us down a bit - so he'd feel good about the deal.  And then we'd finance them in-house, requiring a good down payment and then monthly payments.  Funny, though -- the down payment was usually the amount we had invested in the car - purchase (trade in), clean up, lot "rent" to the dealership itself.  In other words, if we didn't evver get one payment other than the down -- we made money anyway.  We could then either write it off at no loss -- or go after the customer to get our money - or the car back to start over.  It worked.

"Buck units" is what we called those 25 years ago. Cars you put on the lot then for $1000. We don't play those games. Been around that as well as the folks I work for now. we just try to shoot honest , straight deals.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on January 19, 2014, 10:36:32 AM
I need to ask a favor. I need a 235 or 261 chevy, 261 preferred. Please keep you ears to the ground. Parts are fine. I have a block and head only.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on January 19, 2014, 10:40:55 AM
Oh, and I got back into brewing. I have a batch of Amber ale aging in the bottle right now. Dry hopped with Fuggles and a dash of Northwoods fresh maple syrup added to the boil.  :cheers:
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on January 30, 2014, 12:19:43 AM
Glen, PJ or one of you guys I emailed the rendering picture to, I can not post it!?!?!?! Can one of you? Thanks. Trent
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Peter Jack on January 30, 2014, 03:07:45 AM
I'll give it a try. I haven't posted a picture for a while.

Pete
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Peter Jack on January 30, 2014, 03:09:59 AM
Does this mean you're changing rides Trent?

Pete
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: tauruck on January 30, 2014, 04:28:33 AM
I don't know about the ale but I'll take a six pack of cars like that!!! :cheers:

If it turns out as good as the rendering that will fly, man she's sweet.

Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on January 30, 2014, 09:27:38 AM
Does this mean you're changing rides Trent?

Pete

Thanks PJ! Changing? No, Jimmy just left the wheels off to see the whole body. I may have him do a final, larger and more detailed version.

Here is Jimmy's site. Give him a shout if you want some top notch work done!

http://www.jimmyshotroddesign.com/
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Captthundarr on January 30, 2014, 09:28:25 AM
 :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: maguromic on January 30, 2014, 11:16:02 AM
That really looks good Trent!  :cheers: Tony
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on January 30, 2014, 01:16:30 PM
Thanks Tony! I do not know if I told the backstory on this? Anyway in  the late 60s dad was racing NHRA Div 5 and selling cars at an Olds Pontiac GMC dealership. He was VERY successful on the track. The GM rep came through one day and made him an offer he could not refuse for the 70 season. dad was running GTOs but the Factory already backed a regional guy (who ended up doing dads heads) but they needed someone to represent Dr Olds in Div 5. Voila, a dude in his 20s with a kid on the way (me) had a full factory ride built to order! If you click on my sig there is more of this story. But the paint inspiration that I let Jimmy loose with came from this car. Also, the South Dakota state colors are yellow and light blue. This old/Olds photo is a little faded but the car was ralleye yeloow


(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/surlytman/th_2013-03-14175901_zps3a21d930.jpg) (http://s90.photobucket.com/user/surlytman/media/2013-03-14175901_zps3a21d930.jpg.html)

I may be repeating this info in the thread but bear with me  :wink:
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 30, 2014, 03:43:29 PM
Looks sensational Tman, an old Olds story with family content, ya can't beat that. Now, about that beer......... :cheers:
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on January 30, 2014, 03:52:35 PM
Looks sensational Tman, an old Olds story with family content, ya can't beat that. Now, about that beer......... :cheers:

Thank you so much Goggs! :cheers:

Dry hopped it too long and the ferment started off too slow, drinkable but not up to my standards. Will start a new batch.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on February 05, 2014, 11:54:13 PM
Great news, barring any more bad TX panhandle weather my tranny should be dropped off at my brothers place in Tulsa this weekend! Thanks to Flat Top Bob Owens at Owens Auto salvage in Wellington Texas for snatching it up and delivering it for me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I also found another Stovebolt to make up for the firing of the engine partner. I'll do the dammmm thing myself! Yes, I can hold grudges and burn the bridge AND the abutments! A fault I can live with.  :evil:
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: tauruck on February 06, 2014, 07:40:33 AM
My kinda guy. :evil:

Things like this get you fired up and it's all the motivation you need.

I'm happy for you Trent. :cheers:
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on February 06, 2014, 02:01:53 PM
Thanks man. I have a new lease on life after a strange 6 months. Fun to be fired up working on both of my cars again.

In other news, I am meeting with my web designers to finally revamp my website! (the one in my sig). I should have product listings, great design and other goodies shortly. My product development is coming along nicely, wreck 4 patterns before the final seems to be the norm! :oops:
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Captthundarr on February 06, 2014, 05:53:36 PM
Yea, Trent, Fired the engine partner eh? Never had one to fire. If this thing gets screwed up I'll be the proud papa of the poopoo. Looking forward the the new site with the new goodies, Keep on Keeping on.

Frank
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on February 09, 2014, 11:22:44 AM
Yea, Trent, Fired the engine partner eh? Never had one to fire. If this thing gets screwed up I'll be the proud papa of the poopoo. Looking forward the the new site with the new goodies, Keep on Keeping on.

Frank

Thanks! I got a line on two motors today. Also threw a line out about a flathead...............................Carl? :-D
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on February 09, 2014, 02:00:34 PM
Starting to think of how to gain max displacement in these 235/261 blocks. There is not much room for an over bore. the holes are already pretty darn close to each other. This part of the build is WAY out of my realm. I am not much of an engine guy short of basic hot rodding.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: RichFox on February 09, 2014, 02:02:53 PM
Basic hot rodding worked for me. But with a turbo on it. That old 270 was a fun ride.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on February 09, 2014, 02:10:33 PM
Basic hot rodding worked for me. But with a turbo on it. That old 270 was a fun ride.

Well, I have the turbo part covered! But our class limit of 325 cubes has me looking for more. I need to investigate pistons to see if there is some off the shelf modern hi-po fancy shmancy piston I can use. Doesn't Noonan deal with pistons? I don't have my rule book at the moment. Also thinking about stroke. I know nothing so I have a clean slate!
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on February 09, 2014, 06:34:14 PM
John Noonan is the US rep for Wossner Pistons.  He's an occasional poster here on the forum - can't remember his online name right now.  Somebody will give it to you soon if you don't find it yourself.  Try the search engine here in the Forum.  I would but I've gotta go light the gas grill for the lake trout that'll be tonight's supper, and with the temps so low out there - about +10F - the grill takes quite a while to heat up :-o.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Stainless1 on February 09, 2014, 07:09:58 PM
John Noonan is the US rep for Wossner Pistons.  He's an occasional poster here on the forum - can't remember his online name right now.  :-o.

Yep, it a tough one if I remember right he hides behind the screen name John Noonan  :roll: and he treats racers like he is one of us  :-o because he is. 
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on February 10, 2014, 12:05:23 AM
John Noonan is the US rep for Wossner Pistons.  He's an occasional poster here on the forum - can't remember his online name right now.  :-o.

Yep, it a tough one if I remember right he hides behind the screen name John Noonan  :roll: and he treats racers like he is one of us  :-o because he is. 

Slims memory is short, we have to cut him some slack! :-D
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Stainless1 on February 10, 2014, 12:24:03 AM
Yea, I just couldn't resist... oh like this one as well  :evil:

Yea... I was at the next urinal when Slim stopped at the Truck Stop.... if you think his memory is short, you should.... well there you have it...  :-o

Sure hope this doesn't sidetrack your thread too much, but maybe it will add to your views... now get back to work, August is here before you know it.
 :cheers:
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: tauruck on February 10, 2014, 12:55:33 AM
Trent, you're a fighter.

All the strange stuff made you tougher, you never gave up and you're better for it.

All the good things are coming. :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Sumner on February 10, 2014, 01:13:10 AM
..Yea, I just couldn't resist... oh like this one as well  :evil:  Yea... I was at the next urinal when Slim stopped at the Truck Stop.... if you think his memory is short, you should.... well there you have it...  :-o

Possibly, prosopagnosics, I have it to some degree and it can be embarrassing,

Sum
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on February 10, 2014, 08:54:39 AM
Stainless, I thought you were in therapy for a twisted neck after last August.  If so -- how come you were able to bend and twist and peer over that little wall between the urinals?  And then, with your upper body being all bent out of shape -- when you reached into an inside pocket for your magnifying glasses I really did get worried that you were going to hurt yourself.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on February 10, 2014, 09:40:17 AM
TMI! :-o
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: tauruck on February 10, 2014, 10:30:56 AM
Hey Trent, the thread really got some "tooling". :roll:
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Ron Gibson on February 10, 2014, 12:23:00 PM
Ya, and that is the LONG and short of it.

Ron
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: tauruck on February 10, 2014, 10:29:50 PM
Trent, I know you've had other things to deal with but when do we get to see a few photos of the car?. :cheers:
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on February 11, 2014, 12:32:10 AM
Trent, I know you've had other things to deal with but when do we get to see a few photos of the car?. :cheers:

It still looks like the last chassis pictures I posted. I have been on a self imposed break. Hard to stay on task while by my lonesome. Life is great now, working away.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on February 16, 2014, 05:26:33 PM
Just re-read all of my thread and can not believe the trip this has been! Thanks for all of the help so far!
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Roseville Carl on March 14, 2014, 12:18:43 AM
light the fire Trent.................. :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on March 14, 2014, 12:32:48 AM
light the fire Trent.................. :cheers: :cheers:

It is, the tranny is at my brothers place in Tulsa, soon to be here. The fire is lit Carl. Just lots of lifes things that have piled up in the 7 years since our son was born.

On a business note. I WILL FINALLY have a good website to buy parts from. My web folks are working on it now.  :cheers:
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: tauruck on March 14, 2014, 03:46:38 AM
That's all good news.

Go, you good thing!!!!!!!!!!!! :cheers:
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Captthundarr on March 14, 2014, 08:58:11 PM
Wooo hoooo :cheers:
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on March 16, 2014, 12:00:30 AM
Thanks guys!
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on April 06, 2014, 03:31:27 PM
New website is up! Working on many facets of it. Today is spring stuff and baseball!

BTW, I plan on having some perks for landracing.com and HAMB members
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Captthundarr on April 06, 2014, 07:46:46 PM
Up is good Trent. I got a little money to spend :cheers: :-D
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Peter Jack on April 06, 2014, 08:02:45 PM
Nice start Trent. I like the colors.  :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

I hope you see lots of business.

Pete
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on April 07, 2014, 09:58:17 AM
Thanks guys!
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on April 09, 2014, 10:18:25 AM
How do you make progress on a race car? Take a new day job that pays a LOT more than your last! I landed back in trucking with better pay, benefits and schedule! Still going to be developing the hot rod business. Now, if I can beat this cold before I have to start getting up early and going to work. The car business was fine but too slow paced for me. I can not sit around waiting like you do much of the time!

I was not actually looking for this new opportunity. It came out of left field. Being the new guy it might screw up some of my travel this season but will be worth it in the end.

Also, I am picking up a Dakota front end for the hauler project today. Things come in Threes, I wonder what number three will be?!?!
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Peter Jack on April 09, 2014, 11:29:47 AM
Trent, it's so good to hear when someones fortunes turn around. I hope things continue to progress in this positive fashion.  :-D :-D :-D and maybe  :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

Pete
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: tauruck on April 09, 2014, 11:43:35 AM
#3, more success.

We always think we're in control but "left field rules". :cheers:

You'll be fine and come out on top where you need to be.

You'll still have a laugh at how tough the past was.

I wish you all the best and heaps more left field action.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: lsrjunkie on April 10, 2014, 11:07:50 AM
I second that Mikey! Trent's a good dude. He put in a lot of leg work on my project tracking down just the right stuff for me and steering me in the right direction.

If your past service is any indication of future performance you're going to do awesome Trent! The site looks good and I will definitely be doing more business with you in the future.

And on a personal note, I'll definitely be having a beer or two with ya on the salt this year!
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on April 10, 2014, 01:00:00 PM
I second that Mikey! Trent's a good dude. He put in a lot of leg work on my project tracking down just the right stuff for me and steering me in the right direction.

If your past service is any indication of future performance you're going to do awesome Trent! The site looks good and I will definitely be doing more business with you in the future.

And on a personal note, I'll definitely be having a beer or two with ya on the salt this year!

Thanks man! But, I will not know what events I can hit for a while with this new job. We shall see.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on April 18, 2014, 01:40:02 PM
Things keep looking better here on the life side of things. Did I mention I get a 3 day weekend every other? That the boss' WANT me to take time off? That I start with 14 days of vacation?  That and Carla informed me that my new salary = about a 25% increase over last year at this time!?!?!?! Now if you excuse me, I am going to go demo a new mountain bike and work on the fitness side of things! :cheers:
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Stan Back on April 18, 2014, 06:53:47 PM
Don't get overconfident.  It'll bite you.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Skip Pipes on April 18, 2014, 09:39:27 PM
Good for you, you deserve it.

Skip
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on April 18, 2014, 09:40:49 PM
Don't get overconfident.  It'll bite you.

Not at all Stan. I feel blessed. After years of hard work it is fun to be in this position. I just wanted to share with folks I consider friends!

And I got a killer 90 minute ride in today!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Roseville Carl on April 21, 2014, 12:28:22 PM
Good for you Trent, about time things were look'in up :-D :-D :-D
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on April 26, 2014, 10:00:06 AM
Good for you Trent, about time things were look'in up :-D :-D :-D

Thanks Carl. I put the A Tudor back in cold storage and can actually see the lakester better. I do not have a timetable for it. This summer is about getting back into a "normal" life. I am collecting parts for the GMC to do a quick and dirty assembly perhaps in winter. I did have a dream this AM that I was pulling Tim around staging in some sort of roadster at a hybrid Elmo/Salt sort of venue. That must be good right? :-D
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Roseville Carl on May 01, 2014, 04:36:37 PM
Sounds like a good idea Trent..... I'm still pulling salt outa spots on the 36.........but wouldn't trade it for anything, that was a blast and having grandson there also was neat!! Thinking of taking other grandson out there also as he is gonna be driver on the rail and I want to introduce him into the Bonney experience.........
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on May 02, 2014, 01:02:14 AM
Sounds like a good idea Trent..... I'm still pulling salt outa spots on the 36.........but wouldn't trade it for anything, that was a blast and having grandson there also was neat!! Thinking of taking other grandson out there also as he is gonna be driver on the rail and I want to introduce him into the Bonney experience.........

We will all get back together as a crew at some point! Good times.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Gary Perkinson on May 02, 2014, 08:31:28 AM
Hey, Trent...just checked out your site--looks great! I'm getting the HHR ready to run at Ohio and Maine later this summer, so I'm sure I'll have some opportunities to give you some business. I'll keep an eye out on the site, but you can also PM me or talk to me on Tuesday nights in the chat room...

Gary
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on May 04, 2014, 10:57:39 AM
Hey, Trent...just checked out your site--looks great! I'm getting the HHR ready to run at Ohio and Maine later this summer, so I'm sure I'll have some opportunities to give you some business. I'll keep an eye out on the site, but you can also PM me or talk to me on Tuesday nights in the chat room...

Gary

Thanks gary!
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on May 24, 2014, 02:05:09 PM
Well, settling into the new job and things are great! 1st Memorial Day weekend I have not been on call in 5 years!!!!!!!!!!! On top of all my other projects and bike riding I am slowly getting back into the lakester. I need to find some spindles or rework some stockers I have and hope to make this thing a roller soon.

Oh, I forgot, I think I decided to add enough length to use a driveshaft. Still laying the rear out.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: kustombrad on June 03, 2014, 03:58:26 PM
C'mon nap time is over, time to get back on the car!
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: tauruck on June 04, 2014, 12:16:57 AM
C'mon nap time is over, time to get back on the car!

Brad, have you seen the awesome terrain in SD?.
I don't even like mountain bikes and I want to ride there. :-D
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on June 07, 2014, 05:12:22 PM
C'mon nap time is over, time to get back on the car!

Brad, have you seen the awesome terrain in SD?.
I don't even like mountain bikes and I want to ride there. :-D

Yes, we would turn you to the dark side! Just busy as all get out right now. getting some work done. Main goal at the moment is family.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on June 08, 2014, 08:09:15 PM
OK, for those that asked. Here is the new bike that is keeping me sane but not away from the car. 5" travel front and rear. Lighter than the rigid bike I was riding 20 years ago.

(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/surlytman/2014-05-05%2020.44.49_zpsx7skiu5p.jpg) (http://s90.photobucket.com/user/surlytman/media/2014-05-05%2020.44.49_zpsx7skiu5p.jpg.html)

Fitness and health is and always has been big for me. Plus, riding makes me feel like a kid. I fit in the racecar AND Tims truck better when I am riding and fit!
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Roseville Carl on July 04, 2014, 11:00:43 AM
ok Trent enough with the bicycle stuff..... hows the Car coming???
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on July 04, 2014, 11:38:59 AM
ok Trent enough with the bicycle stuff..... hows the Car coming???

Got some parts coming. Have the shop more organized so I can weld w/o fear of bonfire. I am on the hunt for a complete 261 since I only have mockup parts now. At the moment I am fitting/welding the turbo header.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: tauruck on July 04, 2014, 01:34:09 PM
It looks well used Trent. :cheers:

If you don't have something like that to blow the cobwebs away you go nuts.
Bikes are the best therapy although I like mine to have motors.

I'll be watching the Tour religiously again this year.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on July 04, 2014, 02:17:18 PM
It looks well used Trent. :cheers:

If you don't have something like that to blow the cobwebs away you go nuts.
Bikes are the best therapy although I like mine to have motors.

I'll be watching the Tour religiously again this year.

Here is one place we ride, a mountain in the middle of town. I see this from my office every day.

http://youtu.be/uP0ax8_PeV8

If you click on any of the vids that say HLMP or M Hill they are from this same place. And yes, I will be watching the dopers for the next 3 weeks as well! :-D
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Roseville Carl on July 04, 2014, 10:14:57 PM
Wow Trent you are a glutton for punishment, good for ya that will add years to your life.......... but put an engine on it for me :-D :-D
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: tauruck on July 05, 2014, 12:44:00 AM
Our local rider won't be there this year. He got juiced and was caught, how stupid. :roll:
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Stan Back on July 05, 2014, 03:02:39 PM
Looks like fun -- unless someone there is playing that terrible music(?).
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on July 05, 2014, 03:14:26 PM
Looks like fun -- unless someone there is playing that terrible music(?).

Yes, the music is lacking. I just grabbed the first vid I found. No idea who it is even. These are MILES of trails on private property that was opened by the HLMP Foundation for the public to play on!
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on July 25, 2014, 02:07:24 PM
Well, many of you know already that I will not be making it to Speedweek this year with the new job. I vow to do some work on the lakester and post an update. For those that will be there, this is the last year we are running the Unibody. Unless we magically jump 10-15mph. Just got off the phone with Tim and a modified roadster is in the works with the current Y-Block.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: lsrjunkie on July 25, 2014, 03:03:14 PM
Sorry to hear this will be the last year for Tim's truck. Such a good looking ride, and it sounds great! However, next to comp coupe, the modified roadsters are my favorite!

Looking forward to more updates on the lakester!
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on August 10, 2014, 06:52:49 PM
Just got off the phone with Tim. Talked racecars, the party at the Nugget I missed, old friends. Discussed the future of the pickup, the new roadster, my lakester.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on September 19, 2014, 11:00:15 PM
BTTT for Steve :cheers:
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: tauruck on September 19, 2014, 11:11:19 PM
Whatever route you guys take I wish you all the best. :cheers:
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on September 20, 2014, 02:28:19 PM
Whatever route you guys take I wish you all the best. :cheers:

Tim is hell bent on getting a roadster built for next year, and he will! I have been informed my services as crew chief are required. Meanwhile, back at the ranch, we are working on a new direction for power on my lakester. One of the coolest folks I have ever met on this board has offered up a powerplant for the SOSD! :cheers: :wink:

Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on September 20, 2014, 07:33:47 PM
OK, I want to announce that SteveM is the gracious gent that offered up a powerplant! With some fairing of the front or rear wheels (TBD) we will try for a diesel liner record. I am in the process of finding a dummy block to start mockup and move forward from this point last year when I lost my engine partner. Thank you so much Steve for the offer and opportunity!
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on September 21, 2014, 10:39:28 PM
Did I mention in my 45 years on the planet growing up around trucking I HATE the diesel smell!?!?!?!?!?! I love the advances and power vs. mileage, don't get me wrong. But, I find this twist wayyyyy ironic for me! :-D
Title: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: SteveM on September 21, 2014, 10:59:40 PM
With the cancellation of WF, I will have the Rampage back here within the week. Just bring the lakester by, and we can swap the engine over. Easy Peasy.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on September 27, 2014, 09:16:46 AM
Looking locally for a mock up motor. We never had a strong VW dealer here until recent years so it is harder than in some areas.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on September 27, 2014, 05:21:43 PM
I got it on the ground for the first time EVER. Dodge this thing is tiny! For reference, that is a yardstick in the cockpit and I am 5'9" for those of you that have not met me. car is 2-3" higher than ride height in this shot!.

(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/surlytman/lakester/th_sosdonground_zps5e6976c4.jpg) (http://s90.photobucket.com/user/surlytman/media/lakester/sosdonground_zps5e6976c4.jpg.html)

The scale is not evident here. With the 4cyl I can do the 144"ish wheelbase. This thing looks like it would ride in a longbox pickup!
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: SteveM on September 27, 2014, 06:06:37 PM
I'll have the real deal here in a few days.  Save your money on that mock-up stuff. ROAD TRIP!
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: SteveM on September 27, 2014, 06:07:43 PM
That thing is itty-bitty- it's gonna be FAST.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Captthundarr on September 27, 2014, 09:07:53 PM
Trent you gonna fit in that? Ok.

Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: tauruck on September 27, 2014, 10:33:45 PM
Nice one Trent. For once I bet you're happy you're not tall. :-D

All best and I have a feeling this project will be off the charts. :cheers:
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on September 28, 2014, 11:34:35 AM
Yep, I fit in it and have always found that being shorter is way better than taller! Getting it off the jig and the shop cleaned was a big step in getting excited again. I really got stalled out on everything for about a year since our dog got sick. So, today I am off to buy some more shelving. I have too many projects and they need to be stored properly.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: SPARKY on September 28, 2014, 11:39:54 AM
I know the storage problem of having to many options!!
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: kiwi belly tank on September 28, 2014, 12:32:50 PM
What are you doing, TDI?
  Sid.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on September 28, 2014, 01:03:03 PM
What are you doing, TDI?
  Sid.

SteveM has offered up his engine out of the Rampage.

I also took the front axle off and am looking at options to tuck the wheels inside. May just go with wheel spats? The rear is narrow enough I can fair them in like the original Flatfire.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on September 29, 2014, 12:07:23 AM
Racers have superstitions................the fact that James Deans last photo that was taken before he was killed is behind me is both scary and inspirational. I grew up around drag racing and circle tracks. No green, black, nor brown cars. Never loan your helmet and you cut the belts when you sell the car. And all people in the pits wore whites! The scumbums you see in pits these days in depressing.............. :oops:
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: RidgeRunner on September 29, 2014, 07:10:32 AM
     Maybe some, but the umbrella girls of LSR sure lift my spirits!  :-D   .........as long as they don't have a bag of peanuts with them  :evil:

                     Ed
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Stan Back on September 29, 2014, 01:22:15 PM
The ones I've seen have no nuts.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on February 22, 2015, 01:57:15 PM
Well, we are back at it. I have been taking some time to recharge and get my feet on the ground after getting back into the trucking industry last year. Still working on house, GMC and lakester in that order.

Also, I had talked about Orange Aid roll bar padding with a few folks then it just vanished from the market. I see someone new is selling it now. http://shop.wheelezewheels.com/Orange-Aid-oaid001.htm Yes it is SFI approved. I wish the original write up was posted with it.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on February 22, 2015, 02:53:33 PM
I have also been learning patternmaking. Here is some work back from the foundry. 5"x1.5" accessory switch panel.

Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: kiwi belly tank on February 22, 2015, 03:54:50 PM
Back into trucking? I'm road service, you gone OTR?
  Sid.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on March 08, 2015, 11:17:35 AM
Back into trucking? I'm road service, you gone OTR?
  Sid.

logistics, admin, dispatch. just finishing my 7th or 8th year with a brief hiatus at the end of 2013. We run with  about 60 owner operators hauling flyash and bulk cement (powder).
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on August 20, 2016, 11:28:06 PM
Just a note to friends. Still here. Got my brain back into things. Baseball has started to consume our summers and it is good. Will get back on the lakester at some point. for the first time in ages I care about the project!
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Peter Jack on August 21, 2016, 12:34:59 AM
Thanks for the post Trent. That's good news.

You don't get a redo raising kids so the time you're investing is well spent.

Pete
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on August 22, 2016, 09:02:07 AM
Thanks for the post Trent. That's good news.

You don't get a redo raising kids so the time you're investing is well spent.

Pete

Actually dad and I were going to bring LilT out to the Salt this year but all summer activities kinda crescendoed on that first weekend of Speedweek for us.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on August 22, 2016, 11:37:28 AM
Been wondering about you, Trent.

Nothing wrong with baseball, and good on ya for doing the dad thing in a righteous way.

We'll be here - the lakester will eventually collect enough dust that you'll get PO'ed enough that you'll get to it.

Good hearing from you, Chief!  :wink:
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Mr. Schimstock on August 22, 2016, 01:17:04 PM
My projects tend to go in surges... I get a chunk done... take a break to mull stuff over and do family things... then get another chunk done... etc.... 

The mulling period seams to make the time I get to work on it more productive since I generally have a decent plan by then.

Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: tauruck on August 22, 2016, 04:34:25 PM
Trent, good to hear you're still around.
If you build it they will come!!!!!. :-D
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on August 22, 2016, 10:46:17 PM
Been wondering about you, Trent.

Nothing wrong with baseball, and good on ya for doing the dad thing in a righteous way.

We'll be here - the lakester will eventually collect enough dust that you'll get PO'ed enough that you'll get to it.

Good hearing from you, Chief!  :wink:

I lurk and have been getting back into the Tuesday chats. Trust me, I am pissed about many projects!
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: tauruck on August 23, 2016, 12:09:26 AM
Trent, being pissed about projects is what keeps us alive. :wink:
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: 55chevr on August 23, 2016, 01:39:02 PM
I have missed a few Chat sessions over taking the kids to batting practice.  I could only book Tuesday nights.  Now I can get Thursday so I will annoying be the participants with my meaningless contributions.

Joe
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on February 09, 2017, 06:10:46 PM
Update! After a couple years sitting in Tulsa my transmission made the trip home a couple months ago. I had it for sale for a while thinking it was not needed given the current state of the lakester. After dealing with many tire kickers on the tranny and tripping over it in the shop it has grown on me. Slowly digging out that corner of the shop and starting progress on the car. Need SOMETHING to get me off the fence it and other projects. There is NO timeline. I will be on the salt again this year with Tim.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Buickguy3 on February 10, 2017, 10:45:00 AM
  Way to go, Tim, Just gotta get 'er done.
  Doug  :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: kiwi belly tank on February 10, 2017, 01:08:29 PM
Good one Mate, treat it as a creative journey not a destination. :-)
  Sid.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Mr. Schimstock on February 10, 2017, 01:42:45 PM
Glad to hear you're getting back on the horse.   Tackle it one issue at a time... you'll get there.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Elmo Rodge on February 10, 2017, 01:51:08 PM
No matter what your name is.  :-D Wayno
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on February 10, 2017, 03:39:38 PM
No matter what your name is.  :-D Wayno

Yeah, thats right Fred. ;)

1st order of business is how to shift the Doug Nash with the Long shifter 8 feet behind my head? Talking to Paul @Liberty he mentioned that Craig used to sell an electronic shifter setup before it was outlawed at the drags so that is one option. The simple angle is a rod or Morse cable since the shifter simply moves back and forth.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: kiwi belly tank on February 10, 2017, 04:40:50 PM
You can't beat a simple cable for reliability, I have a cut down (free) boat steering cable getting the 10ft from shifter to trans connected.
  sid.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on February 10, 2017, 06:01:42 PM
Trent -

I know that feeling that a languishing project can have on a person.

There isn't a person on these boards who hasn't been where you are with some project or endeavor.

Do yourself a favor.

Start at the beginning of your build diary and read it.

Then realize HOW MUCH YOU HAVE ALREADY ACCOMPLISHED . . .

clean out the garage . . .

and then getyourassbackonit.  :cheers:

Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: 4-barrel Mike on February 10, 2017, 06:25:42 PM
clean out the garage . . .

and then getyourassbackonit.  :cheers:



02/18/2012:

Mike, don't feel bad, we LIVE in our shop. The only thing that bugs Carla is the grinder smell.

 :cheers:

Mike
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: kiwi belly tank on February 10, 2017, 07:28:37 PM
I live in my shed too. Talking long projects, i had over 17k hrs in the liner before the end of the year & I'm doing 12 hr days now. The energizer Kiwi out does the energizer Bunny. :-P
  Sid.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on February 10, 2017, 09:46:43 PM
Yup, we still live at teh shop. It is a good and bad thing. Midget, I have re-read the thread many times. I get a kick outta it. Fact is, I have a major chunk of the car done and it makes me feel good.  :cheers:
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Buickguy3 on February 10, 2017, 09:48:45 PM
   Tim,
   We use air valves and an air cyl. and a couple of buttons. Works great. The driver just has to remember which way to push or pull and which button to push. [At 200 MPH]. Seriously, PM me if you have questions.
     Doug  :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on February 10, 2017, 10:44:52 PM
  Tim,
   We use air valves and an air cyl. and a couple of buttons. Works great. The driver just has to remember which way to push or pull and which button to push. [At 200 MPH]. Seriously, PM me if you have questions.
     Doug  :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

Tims not here man :-P
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: krusty on February 11, 2017, 08:05:56 AM
Trent - the car in my avatar uses a Long V-gate shifter and Morse cables. Since it's a V-gate, it doesn't need too much thinking to operate, so I made it left-hand which eliminates monkey-motion linkage and/or long U-turning cables. Baum Hydraulics in Nebraska makes great custom cables and has great pricing and service. I've found that 1/4" is as big as I need to shift a Jerico.

vic
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on February 11, 2017, 10:16:19 AM
Trent - the car in my avatar uses a Long V-gate shifter and Morse cables. Since it's a V-gate, it doesn't need too much thinking to operate, so I made it left-hand which eliminates monkey-motion linkage and/or long U-turning cables. Baum Hydraulics in Nebraska makes great custom cables and has great pricing and service. I've found that 1/4" is as big as I need to shift a Jerico.

vic

vic, you have any shots of yours? I would appreciate that. Thanks for the supplier as well, that is not tooo far away.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Buickguy3 on February 11, 2017, 10:04:38 PM
  My apologies Trent. I don't know where I got Tim. I'll send photos in the morning.
   Doug  :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on February 11, 2017, 10:45:37 PM
No worries, we were having fun with the Tim thing!
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: tauruck on February 12, 2017, 07:20:34 AM
As I started reading "Jump'' started playing!!!!.

Van Halen, Trent get moving bro. :-D
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: krusty on February 14, 2017, 10:36:17 AM
Hi Trent - Here's a pic of the installation of the Long V-gate shifter for left-hand operation in the RMR I built in 2009. The thin red arrow shows the forward cable mount. As you can see, I used clevises (clevi? :roll:) to attach the 1/4" Morse cables to the shifter, requiring a bushing and a few shims(each).

The cables pass through tubes in the rear firewall (calked with fireproof clay) to the trans. Attachment at the trans should be self-explanitory.

Sorry it took so long to respond.


Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Stan Back on February 14, 2017, 12:23:24 PM
Our hero Jack Kelley used a system with Morse(-type) cable with a regular 4-speed gated car shifter with no problems -- at least that was the case last reported.  I'd think using a pattern that you were familiar with would be a great help at speed.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on February 14, 2017, 03:19:38 PM
Our hero Jack Kelley used a system with Morse(-type) cable with a regular 4-speed gated car shifter with no problems -- at least that was the case last reported.  I'd think using a pattern that you were familiar with would be a great help at speed.

Sumner still has shots of that setup on his web page. Very clean. The Long shifter I am using is not an H pattern, just front to rear and back for the 5 gears.
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Buickguy3 on February 14, 2017, 10:07:00 PM
  Trent,
  Did you get the pictures I sent?
  Doug  :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on February 14, 2017, 10:43:38 PM
  Trent,
  Did you get the pictures I sent?
  Doug  :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

Yes I did, thank you! Just been busy in the evenings. Looked on my phone, great description
Title: Re: Spirit of South Dakota Lakester
Post by: Tman on February 16, 2022, 05:57:13 PM
Update time. I am still alive! Shelved the lakester project when I started helping McTim with the #416 pickup and later the 416 roadster. Gained and lost a couple engine partners on this car.  Got divorced, got remarried to a gal I met when we were in the 5th grade after not seeing each other for 30 years since HS. Finishing up some never ending remodel projects and getting my head back into the Lakester. This year for Speedweek I am committed to help Chick run the Salt Circus Roadster. Meanwhile I am busy learning L24 and 28 Datsun engines for the lakester!