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Bonneville Salt Flats Discussion => Build Diaries => Topic started by: bearingburner on December 10, 2010, 02:46:43 PM
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Enclosed are a few pictures of a multi year build of our lakester. It is 224" wb with 40" front tread.
We have used Old Ford spring and axel in the front and a 9" with coil overs in the rear. Engine is a bone stock 2.3l turbo Ford with C-4 transmission. Disk brakes are on all 4 corners. Plans are to run Maxton THIS YEAR.
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Here are a few more pictures.
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You may be all by yourself -- I don't think they have any more meets THIS YEAR.
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Maxton has 5 meets next year. Gives you good opportunity to find bugs and go fast. Hopefully you consider going to Salt Flats next year.Keep showing us pictures of progress. Their is a wealth of info and talented people on this site. Good advice comes from sharing pictures as experienced people can help you get ready for tech.
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Jon you need to check this out. I tried to post using the word [w o r k] no spaces and when posting it changes to goof-off I had to put spaces between letters or it automatically changes to following
goof-off goof-off Am I seeing things.
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I see your car is going to be pretty much a copy of a rear engine dragster, please remember that it is the back end of the car that makes it aero not the pointy front. Looking forward to seeing the final car.
Rex
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For me last year ended Oct 31 at about 2 PM when we left Maxton and this year began
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Having skun a knuckle or two on this rig I'll chime in my 2 cents.
Stan,
Living just up the road in the same time zone I tend to think similar, had there been a realistic chance at making one of the upcoming salt events '11 would have been almost 4 months gone by now.
George,
Rest assured that I have made it to B'ville, Maxton, and Loring at various times in various ways, as entrant, go fer, and for recon, picking brains and stealing tech on every safari. This site keeps me connected when life stuff does it's best to interfere. Hard to find a finer family than LSR.
Rex,
Aero, wish I knew 10 years ago what I have since learned, always easier on Mondays eh? Haven't given up on the concept yet, #44 seems to be leaving some aero on the table and still manage to post some stout numbers on the top end. Just gotta figure out how to make the HP to overcome thats all :-D
Took note of your thoughts about fuel route on the EFI - Busa thread, confirmed some of the directions I had been leaning as well as opened my eyes to some new ones. Like your street roadster concept, always thought it would be fun to build something along those lines when I grow up.
Looking forward to getting out again and meeting everyone.
Ed
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Ed,
Keep up the good w o r k .... see you in April.
Charles
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Charles,
Currently the body panels are coming along very well thanks to the help of a couple others. Still a lot of detail work left as well as life hurdles and hoops for everyone to get over and through in the meantime. Might not make April but we'd really rather not have to do an initial tune in June either :-D
When the car does finally show we don't want it to be an embarrassment for all those who have pitched in so much over the last few years.
Still looking forward to checking out Macs for breakfast, think I'll be taking a pass on the liver mush though..........
Ed
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Ed, remember with a new car your first trip to the track (Maxton) has a few objectives
1. Pass tech Inspection. 2. Make a few shake down passes, 3. Tune for a full pass if ready.
4. HAVE FUN and SHOW OFF YOUR NEW BUILD...
So get back in the shop,,, April be here before you know it,,,
Yes,, Mac's for Breakfast,,, and NO Liver Mush LOL
Charles
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I get the impression that Liver Mush is only available once in a while -- they want to keep it "special" and not have it available everyday.
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Rex, your comments re: dragster - type Lakesters isn't exactly spot-on.
Although I think some are built with excessively long wheelbases, lakester ignoring that the need of the long wheelbase at the dragstrip is to control wheelstands caused by their violent weight transfer-might be 400" long if allowed.
Of course, my example, to dispute your contention is VERY Fast Freddie. An exception that meets the rule, perhaps.
You've been locked into the 6000 series NACA profiles (at least in plan view, I assume) for some years.
Have you looked into some of the Selig profiles that seem to indicate high laminar flow, especially, record bicycles? Maybe the Re # is wrong for your performance frame, however.
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Just for info only, the unassisted human powered bicyicle speed record is 82 mph.
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Go to this web site, http://purplesagetradingpost.com/sumner/harvey/harvey-index.html and look at Harvey Itzainta's lakester build. Very similar to your and Harv did a pretty good job of the rear of the car.
Interested Bystander: Yes Fast Freddie's car is the slab sided, rear engine dragster style but he went fast because of having extreme HORSE POWER not because of aerodynamics.
I have not looked at the Selig profile but have stayed with the NACA profiles because of the data that is available and Eric (Blue) suggested this specific profile. I will look up the Selig profiles. Thanks for the info.
Rex
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But Freddy HOOKS UP also!
Also I edited my above post to make more sense.
Rex try this site re: Selig (Mageira put me on to his stuff): PROFOIL-www version 1-1
Also - UIUC Applied Aerodynamics Group
Selig seems to be the in-house guy.
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I am intertested in your project and expect to meet you next year at Maxton. It is good to see someone actually build their ideas. Shucks, you are probably going to outrun us & I can plan to meet you when I congratulate you.
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Go to this web site, http://purplesagetradingpost.com/sumner/harvey/harvey-index.html and look at Harvey Itzainta's lakester build. Very similar to your and Harv did a pretty good job of the rear of the car.
Interested Bystander: Yes Fast Freddie's car is the slab sided, rear engine dragster style but he went fast because of having extreme HORSE POWER not because of aerodynamics.
I have not looked at the Selig profile but have stayed with the NACA profiles because of the data that is available and Eric (Blue) suggested this specific profile. I will look up the Selig profiles. Thanks for the info.
Rex
A few years ago I was at a new years party and one of Freds pals was talking about how fast Fred was going and I pointed out that Joe Law was going faster [at that time] with a C motor on parts wash :evil: the response was but he's streamlined.
Then Freddy goes 385 mph :-o Hmm ... enclose the engine, a few aero tricks and a 400 mph LAKESTER? :-o
JL222
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You're right JL. I was standing with Seth when Freddy went by on that 386 mph run. I looked at him and said "now we know a lakester can go 400". 8-)
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It will be interesting when Seth continues his big block engine development "program" as we know he probably will and we see a 500 inch + BBC with a pair of big hair dryers on it making 3000 hp+ and see if his new car can be as fast as his old one and if it would be the first lakester over 400. Wasn't the old lakester going around 318 when it met its demise? I don't think the new car has done that yet.
Rex
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It will be interesting when Seth continues his big block engine development "program" as we know he probably will and we see a 500 inch + BBC with a pair of big hair dryers on it making 3000 hp+ and see if his new car can be as fast as his old one and if it would be the first lakester over 400. Wasn't the old lakester going around 318 when it met its demise? I don't think the new car has done that yet.
Rex
Rex, the old car was indeed somwhere ~318 when it met it's "demise".
The new car ran a 323 mph record average this year with a terminal speed of 327 mph.
As far as turbos go......... he had them before the car was even finished. 8-)
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Conrad,
The car looks great. Will you be there in April? It will be here before we know it.
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I hope to be there but the car probably won't. Have to rebuild a trailer first. My partner had a hernia operation last Monday which will slow things down. Someone coming Wed to start body.
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Body started,Conrad. Where are the pix ???????
:-D :evil:
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Enclosed are a few new pictures. Over the Holidays we began building a body. The belly pan was constructed from 1/8" Aluminum and body panels are 16 Ga aluminum. Both are 3003 Al. The bottom radius in the bottom panel was rolled by Ed Menard who also TIG welded them to the Belly pan.
The sway bar was constructed from a pickup swaybar and machined to except Model A rear shock arms.
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Forgot to mention the inner body panels. They were built some time ago from 1/8 3003 Al Duzed fastened in place.We also built a cover from the same material to cover the water pipes which run through the drivers compartment.
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Since the last post we have completed the water tank with the steering shaft passing through it.The tank started out as a 10 gal portable air tank. Installed the 10 lb fire bottle. Finished the rear sway bar. The bar was from a Ford pickup and the arms are rear Model A shock arms. The top body panels were rolled from
.058 3003 Al by Ed Menard and have to be trimmed and fitted.
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More pictures I hope.
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One more time.
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Very nice, high quality and thoughtful construction. Good job!
Skip Pipes
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Looks like you've been hard at work. It should be ready for Loring?!
I heard a rumor that you wouldn't be at Maxton in April.
Marcia