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East Coast Timing Association => ECTA Rules Questions => Topic started by: Captthundarr on November 27, 2010, 07:47:46 PM
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In the GT class under the production category the statement is made "This category does not include cars with rear seats for suitable for continued adult occupancy". Could someone clairify what "siutable for continued occupancy" means. For example, Amy And me are considering running our new car this coming season, a '91 Camaro,in the GT class. As most everone knows that the "rear seat" in a '82 to '92 Camaro is not "suitable for continued ADULT occupancy. As I have had the discomfort of trying to get in and out of the rear seat I have come to the conclusion that it is suitable for hualing a couple of 12 paks of Icehouse and one of your favorite kids. :? :? :cheers:
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Well, I'm 6'5", and I've managed to pull off a couple of "adult" type activities in the back of a Camaro. :wink:
I think that you'll find that the intention of the rule is to build a class for traditional 2 seat sports cars. That's how SCTA looks at it.
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Would that be with the back seats folded down. And 3 and 1/2 min. dos not constitute " continued" occupancy. :-D :-D :-D
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Just kidding, I understand that concept and if that is the case here then reword the phrase to read something like "no rear seat" or " no useable rear seat".
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SCTA's definition is even funnier - "comfortable high speed touring" -
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I'm shopping for a quick release hub. :-D
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how does the Opal GT with its rear seat-package tray fit ; is it a coupe or a sports? :-D
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Camaro/Firebird won't work for GT. It would be in Production/Coupe/Altered/etc. but not any of the GT classes
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Gee Midget, wouldn't be easier too just cut yourself in half? :-D
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Wow. This topic will get more interesting when the new rules get posted.......... :-o
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Camaro/Firebird won't work for GT. It would be in Production/Coupe/Altered/etc. but not any of the GT classes
Other than the "seat" thing can you tell me why it wouldn't fit GT? Thats why I started this thing. the driver aka the missus and I have been from one end to the other of the '10 ECTA rule book tying to figure out what classes we could attack with the "new" car. While waiting for the new book I need to get to build'n. Thanks for all of the input.
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Can't speak to ECTA rules, but I will say this - I wouldn't lift a wrench without a rulebook, and a thorough understanding of it.
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The SCCA rulebook was very clear (40 years ago):
Sports cars do not have back seats of any kind.
Sedans have "normal" back seats (i.e. comparable to the front seats).
GT cars have back seats for "occasional use" (i.e., flip down, padded cardboard, always smaller and less comfortable than fronts). Example: Jag XKE is a sports car, Jaguar XKE 2+2 is a GT car.
What they did to classify a Camaro (defined by DOT as 4-5 passenger) would be largely politics: if enough big sponsors vapor-lock, it's a GT car. If not (or the winning GT sponsors have even more money) it's a sedan.
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lol
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Camaro's and Firebird's are "sedans" ? I would have thought Coupe's !!
The older ones can run in Classic ie,,, classic gas coupe like C/CGC ?
The newer ones ??
Good thing I run classic coupes (rules easier to understand ,,LOL NOT !!!)
Charles
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Yea, and Charles runs some bitch'n coupes to. :-D
Frank
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While this is an ECTA thread, the new rewrite of the first two paragraphs in the SCTA rulebook look like this for the GT classes:
5.E.3 Grand Touring Sport - /BGT, /GT
This class is limited to 2-seat production sports cars like the Corvette, Honda S-2000 or Fiero as well as limited production cars like the Factory Five Cobra manufactured by a recognized automobile manufacturer intended for comfortable high-speed driving. A production rate of at least 500 vehicles of the same model for sale to the general public is considered to meet the requirements of a production automobile.
Body styles produced with jump seating for more than two people like a Datsun 280Z 2+2, Porsche 911 or Honda CRX even though they may only have two seats will be considered a Coupe and Sedan and must run in that class.
DW
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Thanks for the update DW
Charles
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Interesting. What makes that intriguing is that Karmann Ghia hard tops, the MGB-GT, and I think, the Porsche 912 would all get bumped to Coup.
Raises a question. Doesn't the ECTA try to maintain some parity between similar classes with SCTA? A lot of folks run both venues. Last I checked, the I/GT record at Maxton was held by a 912.
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So it looks like the Opal would be a production or GC----wow
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Hence my dilemma, just trying to find a class that the wife and I can be competitive in with out going eyeballs deep in debt. We love this sport, but clarity in the rules makes it alot easier for those of us on a tight budget to compete. Is'nt it thats what it is all about?
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Well, the fast-for-cheap options always seem to dry up pretty quickly. The Camaro is a good choice - decent aero, easy to work on and cheap-as-dirt go-fast parts, but that cat's been skinned so may times, all that's left is the carcass.
But you add that word "competitive", and all of a sudden, ski boats and race horses are looking like affordable hobbies.
Good luck on this. It helps enormously to have ones spouse on board. You and I are both fortunate on that front.
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Thanks for the replies. It aint like we collect cans and bottles to by car parts like dat. But competition on the points standings at the ECTA is quite fun and challenging. Besides you price a decent race horse lately??? :-D
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I hope ECTA dosn't change rules for GT class's. I was planing on running in GT next year. My rear seats say not for anyone over 4' 8".
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Well based on the new SCTA rule changes you and I are out of the GT class " vehicles with "jump" style seat will be required to run in coupe and sedan classes. Time to dig through the rule book. Still got a lot of work to do to run any class safely.