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Bonneville Salt Flats Discussion => SCTA Rule Questions => Topic started by: LSR Mike on October 15, 2010, 11:26:57 AM
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Ok, I searched the forum without an direct answer, and I know a lot of people use Frontrunners.
The Question:
The Rulebook says VR or ZR Rated OEM tires for over 150MPH(which I have finally exceeded). oodyear doesnt' show a speed rating for the Frontrunners (P/N1961).
So, do they qualify under the "special tires for racing as designated by the manufacturer" line in the rulebook for over 200 MPH in section 2F?
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A couple of things to try and help as this question does seem to come up often.
1) The rule book states on page 19 under 2.F In excess of 200 MPH: Special tires for racing as designated by the manufacturer.
This means the maker has said in writing the tire is a racing tire. (see below)
2) There are two types of "frontrunner" tires made by Goodyear that are commonly used in LSR. one is the drag tire the other is the LSR tire made from the drag molds. The LSR tire has a speed & load rating from Goodyear (go to their website), the drag tire does not. However all of the tires are marked "FOR RACING PURPOSES ONLY" making them legal for LSR racing.
Hope this answers your question.
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Thank you for the answer, I thought that was the sentence that qualified them.
Thanks!
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Mike --
pm sent.
Stan
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for the speed and weight of your vehicle i think you would be safe with the front runners up to 200mph
kent
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For a 4000 car at say 220mph, I am not certain the Drag Frontrunners would be a good choice ??
Anyone have experience with them at this weight or higher and speeds in the 200 to 225 range ?
I had planned on buying the Good Year Land Speeds as they have a higher weight and speed rating .
Charles
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For a 4000 car at say 220mph, I am not certain the Drag Frontrunners would be a good choice ??
Anyone have experience with them at this weight or higher and speeds in the 200 to 225 range ?
I had planned on buying the Good Year Land Speeds as they have a higher weight and speed rating .
Charles
We used the non LSR goodyears for many years on the 222 camaro with several runs in the high 260 mph one at 275
in 1991 and 288 mph with a 279 exit speed in 1994. 222 car weighs aprox 4800 lbs with 35% on front.
We never had any problems.
We went to the LSR tires in 08 they cracked, bought new ones this year, we had no cracking problem with the non LSR tires.
JL222
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I've got a 2500Lb curb weight Mini Pickup, Weight isn't the problem, I'm actually thinking I need some ballast in the back end. My real goal is to lower the front end with the smaller diameter of the Frontrunner.
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Mike, what size fronts ? 24 ?
Charles
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22's, another 2" drop in the front over the 26" installed.
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Mike,
If you want 22's go with M&H like the roadster has. Much better tire than Goodyears drag frontrunners for a front tire. IMO.
Tom G.
http://www.mandhtires.com/store.php?crn=74&rn=288&action=show_detail
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22" M & H's on the front- What do you run on the back?
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Mike,
If you want 22's go with M&H like the roadster has. Much better tire than Goodyears drag frontrunners for a front tire. IMO.
Tom G.
http://www.mandhtires.com/store.php?crn=74&rn=288&action=show_detail
Thats the one tire that we had that a small chunk came out. Been 20 yrs ago but it seems they rated them at 400 mph
and I was suprised how thick the rubber was.
JL222
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22" M & H's on the front- What do you run on the back?
In the past I have run 28 inch drag race goodyear frontrunners, but when I bring the car back out I am thinking about changing tire size and may end up with dunlaps or blockleys. Depends on what size motor I end up running, and how much weight I put in the car.
Tom G.
PS. From what I remember when Kaplan and Carr set the first record over 300 at El Mirage a set of shaved M&H's were on the front of their car.
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I've been using Goodyear front runners (non-LSR) for years with no problems, my car weighs 4,200lbs (50% front & 50% rear) using 23" in front and 28.1" in rear at a speed of 216mph at Bonneville at World of Speed. Dave
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Mike,
If you want 22's go with M&H like the roadster has. Much better tire than Goodyears drag frontrunners for a front tire. IMO.
Tom G.
http://www.mandhtires.com/store.php?crn=74&rn=288&action=show_detail
Searching through old threads and came up with another question. I saw your answer about the Dunlops or Blockelys but WOULD you run the M&Hs all the way around given the right circumstances?
Comparing Goodyear Front runners to the M&Hs in my head.
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This topic is an interesting one to me. The Goodyear Frontrunners for drag racing and for Bonneville are supposed to be different. So, the 28 inchers weigh within a couple of ounces of each other..... I wonder what the difference really is? And were the drag racing ones only lighter because they had 10 runs on them and thus a little bit of tire wear (a bit of lost rubber) Goodyear's website actually gives the specs on these tires including the weights... on pages 24 and 26 in the link below:
http://www.racegoodyear.com/tires/pdf/Drag_MSRP_05JAN11.pdf
and what you find is surprising.... Goodyear says that the 23" drag frontrunner weighs more than the LSR frontrunner!....
Like I say... interesting
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I Contacted M&H about front and rear LSR tires for Bonneville. John at M&H sent email back said "Sorry but all our tires are for Drag racing only". Thought I would share that with you guys.
Richard
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Standard CYA. Just don't say anything about Bonneville when ordering. Way too many people running them at the salt and at high speed for me to be concerned. They are a "racing tire" for tech.
JMHO, YMMV
Ron
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I Contacted M&H about front and rear LSR tires for Bonneville. John at M&H sent email back said "Sorry but all our tires are for Drag racing only". Thought I would share that with you guys.
Richard
Richard, that is their "official" position, and if they are aware that you're buying their tires directly from them for LSR, they will not put the order through.
I got mine through Summit.
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This topic is an interesting one to me. The Goodyear Frontrunners for drag racing and for Bonneville are supposed to be different. So, the 28 inchers weigh within a couple of ounces of each other..... I wonder what the difference really is? And were the drag racing ones only lighter because they had 10 runs on them and thus a little bit of tire wear (a bit of lost rubber) Goodyear's website actually gives the specs on these tires including the weights... on pages 24 and 26 in the link below:
http://www.racegoodyear.com/tires/pdf/Drag_MSRP_05JAN11.pdf
and what you find is surprising.... Goodyear says that the 23" drag frontrunner weighs more than the LSR frontrunner!....
Like I say... interesting
Even more interesting [and great news to us] is the new #2270....10.3'' wide 300 mph tire :-D :cheers:
JL222
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I ran Hoosier top fuel/pro comp dragster frontrunners (size 22-2.25X17) on my lakester for two seasons. I got into it big time at 2009 Speedweek over the use of them.... that size in particular was the issue.... as, at the BUB meet of the previous year Cliff Gullett (Godspeed, Cliff) was involved in the fatal crash of a Jack Costella bodied 2 wheel 'liner that was using a Goodyear tire of that size as a drive tire. The crash analysis was that the tire had failed and there was a tremendous amount of opinionating going on as to the legality of using that tire size at all. As a result of the foregoing, we were tagged at tech and a sticker was affixed to the car that stated Lee Kennedy was to be notified for every run we made and we were to be incrementally running the car up to top speed. We were, thankfully, licensing two drivers, so we got to do our "tire testing" while we were licensing a driver. On about the third run, we had a flat.... the initial word were that this was EXACTLY WHAT THEY WERE EXPECTING TO SEE.... of course, when it became apparent that we had run over some debris on the course and the tire had a 3/4" long cut in it, they retracted the words. I put on another spare tire that I had, refelled it with air and we had NO further problems.... about the 6th run on the car, Lee took the sticker off and signed off in our log book....
In a conversation with Hoosier, the engineer stated that their tires were equal and perhaps superior in every way to anything Goodyear made (well he worked for Hoosier- what WAS he going to say?) and that the speed ratings were every bit as high as what Goodyear rated theirs at. The conversation went on to discuss the newer, wider 17" top fuel frontrunners which are rated for a higher speed. I was doing my best to get this information prior to offering the answer to the question of "on what type of car was I using them?". I described a dragster chassis and then stated it was running at Bonneville. His reply then was to the effect that .... now hold on... we NEITHER RECOMMEND NOR RATE ANY of our tires for use at Bonneville..... so, again, we Landspeed racers are on our own with this.
There is other information that I gleaned from other sources..... the jist of which is this- the tires have static load ratings.... and even if your car on scales is well below those ratings... what part does aerodynamics and resulting downforce play on loading the tires to beyond the load ratings?.... this is a point well taken and which caused me to invest in the land speed tires from Goodyear.... And as far as I know now, SCTA-BNI will accept the new, wider top fuel tires from Goodyear for 300 mph.
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Even more interesting [and great news to us] is the new #2270....10.3'' wide 300 mph tire
JL222
A note of caution on this.... we ran Goodyear Talladega tires in both 27.5-1000X15 and 800/820X15s on our Vega for a few years.... we were careful to install them on rims that crowned the tread.... a non-crowned profile is a sure way of having spins.... the tire will start "hydroplaning".... think of driving on snow or ice with wide tires..... narrower, heavier loaded tires will give you better traction.... personally, that 800/20X15 is the tire size that I think goodyear should have introduced as a Landspeed tire.
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I have some notes from spinning a Goodyear front tire from Gene Burkland and the Montana tire spinning crew.
25" x 4.5" x 15" D2028
After five spins starting at 3000 rpm ending at 7300 rpm where the tire blew.
7300 rpm = 619 mph x .68% safety = 421 mph.
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Even more interesting [and great news to us] is the new #2270....10.3'' wide 300 mph tire
JL222
A note of caution on this.... we ran Goodyear Talladega tires in both 27.5-1000X15 and 800/820X15s on our Vega for a few years.... we were careful to install them on rims that crowned the tread.... a non-crowned profile is a sure way of having spins.... the tire will start "hydroplaning".... think of driving on snow or ice with wide tires..... narrower, heavier loaded tires will give you better traction.... personally, that 800/20X15 is the tire size that I think goodyear should have introduced as a Landspeed tire.
So you think we can improve our 280 mph 21/4 and 294 3 mile speed with narrow tires?
JL222
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So what about M/T tires? Emailed them no answer yet. Our local M/T stores doesn't know what LSR is. Was wanting some 30"x4.5"x18" or 29"s
Richard
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Mike,
If you want 22's go with M&H like the roadster has. Much better tire than Goodyears drag frontrunners for a front tire. IMO.
Tom G.
http://www.mandhtires.com/store.php?crn=74&rn=288&action=show_detail
Searching through old threads and came up with another question. I saw your answer about the Dunlops or Blockelys but WOULD you run the M&Hs all the way around given the right circumstances?
Comparing Goodyear Front runners to the M&Hs in my head.
Sorry I have never used the M&H's as a drive tire, only a front tire, so I don't know how they would be as drive tires.
Tom G.
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So what about M/T tires? Emailed them no answer yet. Our local M/T stores doesn't know what LSR is. Was wanting some 30"x4.5"x18" or 29"s
Richard
Richard,
Contact Tom Kundrik he is M/T's LSR tire guy, here is his email address tkundrik@mickeythompsontires.com
Tom G.
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Thanks, Tom G
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Even more interesting [and great news to us] is the new #2270....10.3'' wide 300 mph tire
JL222
A note of caution on this.... we ran Goodyear Talladega tires in both 27.5-1000X15 and 800/820X15s on our Vega for a few years.... we were careful to install them on rims that crowned the tread.... a non-crowned profile is a sure way of having spins.... the tire will start "hydroplaning".... think of driving on snow or ice with wide tires..... narrower, heavier loaded tires will give you better traction.... personally, that 800/20X15 is the tire size that I think goodyear should have introduced as a Landspeed tire.
So you think we can improve our 280 mph 21/4 and 294 3 mile speed with narrow tires?
JL222
jl.... the issue of tire width is not about how fast the wider or narrower tire will allow a car to go.... it is about that potential for hydroplaning with a wider tire.... spins WILL slow your speed down ... near as I can tell though.... so.... if the car with a wide tire goes into a spin.... if you are lucky enough to go through the timing traps while the car is in a spin..... you will notice that the speed of the car is much reduced.....
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jl..... re reading your post on here..... were you thinking that I was referring to tire spin?..... I was referring to the car spinning after the wide tires hydroplaned and caused the car to spin
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jl..... re reading your post on here..... were you thinking that I was referring to tire spin?..... I was referring to the car spinning after the wide tires hydroplaned and caused the car to spin
The tires are not to blame, what kind of car are you referring to? And I call BS to that hydroplaning theory.
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jl..... re reading your post on here..... were you thinking that I was referring to tire spin?..... I was referring to the car spinning after the wide tires hydroplaned and caused the car to spin
I was referring to the narrow tires giving better traction, which theory we have completly blow into the pucker bushes.
This narrow tire is better BS, is also proven by other cars [in their videos] with 1/3 the power of the 222 car not able
to hook up.
Gail Banks showed us the way [and a lot of others should have got the message] in 1987 :-o
JL222
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I am new here but having every tire thread hijacked by the "wider is better argument" is getting old :roll:
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I am new here but having every tire thread hijacked by the "wider is better argument" is getting old :roll:
So is saying that they are no good and that they hydroplane. I'm not going to let someone make a statement that is flat out wrong. Like some say if you don't have data it's just an opinion, love that line. :-D
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This thread is getting a little mean spirited :-o Just a few facts from my experience with blowing a 22-2.25-17 Goodyear at 276mph. After I cleaned my pants out I contacted Dave Farwell at Goodyear (head engineer for land speed tires) and told him of my failure and he went to his data sheet and said in testing that tire would fail after 13 seconds @270mph. He said the casing and the bead on the new 4" tire is the same. I too talked to John at M@H and he said it is there company police to discourage there front runners at Bonneville even after I told him I believed they had gone over 300mph.
As far as the confusion about the weight of the standand front runner vs. the land speed tire, the LS tire has 2 More plys of cord, 8 more wires in the bead but 50% less tread and 75% less rubber on the corners where they were prone to chunk. Also the heavier 23" tire was make for TF Funny Cars and is 1/2" wider and have a way heavier and stiffer carcass. That's my story and I'm sticking to it!!!!
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This thread is getting a little mean spirited :-o Just a few facts from my experience with blowing a 22-2.25-17 Goodyear at 276mph. After I cleaned my pants out I contacted Dave Farwell at Goodyear (head engineer for land speed tires) and told him of my failure and he went to his data sheet and said in testing that tire would fail after 13 seconds @270mph. He said the casing and the bead on the new 4" tire is the same. I too talked to John at M@H and he said it is there company police to discourage there front runners at Bonneville even after I told him I believed they had gone over 300mph.
As far as the confusion about the weight of the standand front runner vs. the land speed tire, the LS tire has 2 More plys of cord, 8 more wires in the bead but 50% less tread and 75% less rubber on the corners where they were prone to chunk. Also the heavier 23" tire was make for TF Funny Cars and is 1/2" wider and have a way heavier and stiffer carcass. That's my story and I'm sticking to it!!!!
Mean spirited? Just stating the events as how I see them. :roll: Thanks for your info from someone who is learning. :cheers:
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EEEEEEasy Tman, I was referring to others and my tongue was against my cheek :-D I know there's nothing but love on here.
Titter Titter
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T-man... did you know that the regular #2222 10'' goodyear LSR tire was discontinued and only the narrow tires
were available?
I thought the new 10'' tire was good news and it was only after they were dissed and narrower tires claimed to be better, that a different point of view was presented. Evidentaly something you didn't want to learn about, being new even.
As far as I'm concerned I'm glad to see my competetion with narrow tires and my advice to you is built a high hp coupe run solid suspension with 50-50 weight bias, the narrowest tire you can find with 90 lbs of air pressure,
and don't forget the 4000 lbs of lead to hook it up,which puts you over the 1700 lb weight rating of the tires.
Anyone else can look at our build diary and find out exactly what we do.
JL222
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So, back on topic. Frontrunners. Looks like the consensus in a variety of threads is Goodyear LSRs followed by the normal GY Frontrunner and various M&H combos. Clear as mud :-D
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Goodyear has purpose built Land Speed Tires rated to 300 MPH,,, Those are not the "standard" Front Runners and they should not be confussed as such.
M&H, M/T, Hoosier etc will tell you that there drag slicks and drag radials are NOT designed or tested for Land Speed Use... unless they have a specific land speed tire then you are going to get that standard reply.
How is this confussing ?
Maybe I am lost on the intent of this thread ?? could be ??
Charles
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Goodyear has purpose built Land Speed Tires rated to 300 MPH,,, Those are not the "standard" Front Runners and they should not be confussed as such.
M&H, M/T, Hoosier etc will tell you that there drag slicks and drag radials are NOT designed or tested for Land Speed Use... unless they have a specific land speed tire then you are going to get that standard reply.
How is this confussing ?
Maybe I am lost on the intent of this thread ?? could be ??
Charles
Charles, I am on the same page with you. :cheers:
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jl..... re reading your post on here..... were you thinking that I was referring to tire spin?..... I was referring to the car spinning after the wide tires hydroplaned and caused the car to spin
Fastman...what is this hydroplaning your talking about?
JL222
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jl..... re reading your post on here..... were you thinking that I was referring to tire spin?..... I was referring to the car spinning after the wide tires hydroplaned and caused the car to spin
Fastman...what is this hydroplaning your talking about?
JL222
Out in the pucker bushes.
JL222
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jl..... re reading your post on here..... were you thinking that I was referring to tire spin?..... I was referring to the car spinning after the wide tires hydroplaned and caused the car to spin
The tires are not to blame, what kind of car are you referring to? And I call BS to that hydroplaning theory.
In a free society, you can call BS to whatever theory you like.... you won't fail tech with wide tires on your car and me doing the inspection..... and I am not an engineer that would have the abilty to provide whatever it takes to make themy point clear.... I know from experience a few things though.... If you know more than me.... great... I am sure that in this world there A LOT of people that know more than me.... your point is well taken on my part though.... any questions about wide tires and their general high speed usubilty, I will refer to you from now til eternity though.....
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jl..... re reading your post on here..... were you thinking that I was referring to tire spin?..... I was referring to the car spinning after the wide tires hydroplaned and caused the car to spin
I was referring to the narrow tires giving better traction, which theory we have completly blow into the pucker bushes.
This narrow tire is better BS, is also proven by other cars [in their videos] with 1/3 the power of the 222 car not able
to hook up.
Gail Banks showed us the way [and a lot of others should have got the message] in 1987 :-o
JL222
And I was always curious to know exactly how much Gale's car really did weigh.... I do know that wide tires on rims that are on the narrow side of recommended width and LOTS of ballast(the latter-apparently VERY important) equals good traction
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jl..... re reading your post on here..... were you thinking that I was referring to tire spin?..... I was referring to the car spinning after the wide tires hydroplaned and caused the car to spin
I was referring to the narrow tires giving better traction, which theory we have completly blow into the pucker bushes.
This narrow tire is better BS, is also proven by other cars [in their videos] with 1/3 the power of the 222 car not able
to hook up.
Gail Banks showed us the way [and a lot of others should have got the message] in 1987 :-o
JL222
And I was always curious to know exactly how much Gale's car really did weigh.... I do know that wide tires on rims that are on the narrow side of recommended width and LOTS of ballast(the latter-apparently VERY important) equals good traction
I don't know how much Bank's car weighed but our intercooler tank is similar at about 38 gal and our rims our 10''.
Still what is this hydroplaning your talking about?
One other point your advising others on '' a round profile shape'' this seems to be the opposite of any racing tire used on cars.
were the contact patch is the only thing propelling the car.
JL222
P.S. reread post #22 were you state the opposite.
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jl..... re reading your post on here..... were you thinking that I was referring to tire spin?..... I was referring to the car spinning after the wide tires hydroplaned and caused the car to spin
I was referring to the narrow tires giving better traction, which theory we have completly blow into the pucker bushes.
This narrow tire is better BS, is also proven by other cars [in their videos] with 1/3 the power of the 222 car not able
to hook up.
Gail Banks showed us the way [and a lot of others should have got the message] in 1987 :-o
JL222
And I was always curious to know exactly how much Gale's car really did weigh.... I do know that wide tires on rims that are on the narrow side of recommended width and LOTS of ballast(the latter-apparently VERY important) equals good traction
I don't know how much Bank's car weighed but our intercooler tank is similar at about 38 gal and our rims our 10''.
Still what is this hydroplaning your talking about?
One other point your advising others on '' a round profile shape'' this seems to be the opposite of any racing tire used on cars.
were the contact patch is the only thing propelling the car.
JL222
P.S. reread post #22 were you state the opposite.
Hydroplaning.... at the risk of sounding a tad patronizing in the preamble, I am saying this.... you California residents probably don't get a whole lot of chances to have heavily frozen lakes on which to drive in cold wether..... I somehow don't think you even get any amount of cold weather.... well, for those of us in other parts of the continent, where temperatures can get down to cold enough to make a body of water the size of Lake Mead freeze with ice that can be 2 feet or more thick, we get the chance to drive on iced lakes.... my first impression was how much it felt like being at Bonneville, actually.... now ice, at 20 below zero, has surprisingly good traction - not pavement quality traction but pretty good..... and you can get going pretty fast on a flat surface like that.... of curse, being that we were all guys cooped up in a construction camp for weeks on end, when we did get out and do stuff like this, inevitably, speed contests occur.... you can get cars and trucks going pretty fast on ice.... (ask the Swedes how fast they get up to).... well.... the people who had vehicles with narrower tires and heavier weight seemed to accelerate quicker than the performancy type cars with wider tires.... they seemed to be sliding around quite a bit more.... some time later though, there was a bit of a warm up.... the temperature got above freezing and there was noiceable moisture on the ice surface..... well, we wanted to keep having fun so we ended up doing a lot of swerving and spinning of our vehicles on the wet ice.... still....amongst the guys who wanted to still try to go fast the heavier vehicles with narrower tires had the advantage.
So, at Bonneville, there is a term that we often hear.... the track is getting a little loose..... after many runs, the surface of the salt has been worn off a little, leaving loose salt particles..... think about dust. dirt, sand or water on pavement and the salt particles are pretty much the same..... a layer of salt dust between your tires and the hard crystalline salt that you really want your tires to be hooking up into... spinning vehicles seems to be the phenomenon that occurs as a result of a loose track surface..... hydroplaning occurs as a result of riding on the salt particles rather than the hard salt base below the particles.... in the same manner as a car, when driven through a patch of water on pavement will lose traction ..... AND THIS HAS BEEN FIRMLY ESTABLISHED BY TIRE MANUFACTURERS, RESEARCHERS AND MANY WATCHDOG GROUPS
Now of course, it has been firmly established by others on this site that wide tires are not the culprit here ... like I say.... who am I to claim expertise in this matter?... I only know from my own experience....
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Fastman, you're right about traction on the ice. One of the reasons that really cold ice has halfway-decent traction is that there's no film of water on the top to make it slippery. Ice skaters rely on the sharp skates to concentrate their weight in as tiny a "contact patch" as possible -- which melts the ice instantaneously as the skate blade passes over and lubricates the contacted area. With a tire- wide or narrow - it's not the same thing, at all, save for the cold hard ice has no wet layer and is more "sticky" - to a point. With a wide tire there's not as much pressure per square inch (or whatever measuring system you choose) and the tire doesn't "stick" to the relatively rough surface of the ice as well as a narrow tire sticks.
Having driven way more many thousand miles on icy roads, snowy and slick roads, and every other winter condition you can imagine -- I agree with you. And we've been to the ice races, and have goofed around on the ice, and yes, we've seen enough to know of what I speak. And of what you speak, too.
Hydroplaning on water, as in rain-soaked streets -- that's a different kind of hydroplaning, and I guess is sort of akin to the surface of the salt when covered with grainy salt particles. Ever try sliding on a sandy-covered asphalt paved parking lot? Pretty much the same thing. . .
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First off, ice is not salt. Secondly if you have no experience running wide tires on the the salt why are you giving advise on them hydroplaning? I know many can't stand the debate, but we have always had great success with them and won't go to skinnies unless proven differently.
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First off, ice is not salt. Secondly if you have no experience running wide tires on the the salt why are you giving advise on them hydroplaning? I know many can't stand the debate, but we have always had great success with them and won't go to skinnies unless proven differently.
What would make you think I have NO experience running wide tires on the salt?..... Goodyear Talladegas 800/820 X 15s for several years.... ONLY after being able to source some out .... and 1000-27.5 X 15s Goodyears (I guess they were called Talladegas as well, although that word never appeared on the sidewalls).... for 3 years..... I had a few lengthy discussions with a Goodyear engineer on this topic....
And BTW.... since I inspect and I have done my share of spin reinspections ..... I get to see the log books.... and it seems certain vehicles, equipped with similar items, have proclivities to spin (roadsters excepted)
As far as I am concerned.... enough said on this topic.....
And, yes Slim, we do take pleasure in finding the corners of the parking lots shortly after the snow melts (and prior to the road sweepers coming through) and try sliding our vehicles..... do we NEVER grow up?
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Hydroplanning is a bad choice of words then. Enough said.
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Wait! Got to input, I was home on leave in 68. Was riding with a buddy in his 57 Chevy, we were late for a party. Came over the hill at 110MPH, herd of sheep, he said holy, I said sh---t, :-o car went ka-phomp rolled up onto the sheep, was like riding a cloud, floated to a a stop, and didn't go sidways at all. I only buy cotton clothing, and never eat mutton since.
Steve
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My advice.. to all my competition run the narrowest tires you can [ this will give you more lbs per sq in] with the highest pressure and don't forget the solid suspension :-P
JL222
P.S. With average salt conditions we think we can run a 290+ mph 21/4 speed and a 300 + with good conditions.
[ BUT not with skinneys ] :-D
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Wait! Got to input, I was home on leave in 68. Was riding with a buddy in his 57 Chevy, we were late for a party. Came over the hill at 110MPH, herd of sheep, he said holy, I said sh---t, :-o car went ka-phomp rolled up onto the sheep, was like riding a cloud, floated to a a stop, and didn't go sidways at all. I only buy cotton clothing, and never eat mutton since.
Steve
110mph? what ...were you on the lamb?
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Why do ewe want to know?
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There is a lot of speculation of the salt flats being like ice, makes me wonder if they have ever noticed black
rubber acceleration marks on ice? Or the black marks at Bville?
JL222
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There is a lot of speculation of the salt flats being like ice, makes me wonder if they have ever noticed black
rubber acceleration marks on ice? Or the black marks at Bville?
JL222
Some people just follow the herd John, you're a black ........oh forget it.... :roll:
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There is a lot of speculation of the salt flats being like ice, makes me wonder if they have ever noticed black
rubber acceleration marks on ice? Or the black marks at Bville?
JL222
Some people just follow the herd John, you're a black ........oh forget it.... :roll:
:-D :cheers:
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Why do ewe want to know?
well at that speed if you ram someone, well you know, it'd be dicey wether* they'd survive, that's what I was ruminating over.
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Looks like a narrow tire to me, with traction. lol
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That reminds me of the old saying, "the last thing on a bug's mind before he hits your windshield is his a-s..................
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My understanding of "hydroplaning" was a layer of liquid between a tire surface and traveled surface. I suppose all elements have a liquid state, but I'm wondering if the term is being appropriately used here.
We all understand what's being said, and I'm not trying to pull the wool over anyone's eyes (couldn't let that one just lay around begging), but isn't there a more accurate term for the loss of traction on a surface caused by loose debris - be it salt, silt, marbles - than hydroplaning?
And as far as black marks on ice - and snow, for that matter - I chip it out of the ally behind my garage every winter. Spin 'em fast enough, and tires will lose rubber on ice.
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Looks like a narrow tire to me, with traction. lol
Thats my advice to my competitors Glen.
And just cars with wide tires spin out :-P
JL222
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JL222, Just wondering what kind of car you are running at Bonneville with wide tires. Wondering if the tires are covered.
Richard
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We wouldn't recommend wide tires on anything but an enclosed wheel. :cheers:
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We wouldn't recommend wide tires on anything but an enclosed wheel. :cheers:
That's good to here.
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JL222, Just wondering what kind of car you are running at Bonneville with wide tires. Wondering if the tires are covered.
Richard
Richard...its a 88 Camaro A/BGALT look under build diaries [ getting ready for Bonneville]
JL222