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Title: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 18, 2010, 06:55:01 PM
Well, the Shootout doesn't really start 'til tomorrow -- and then it's only meetings and plans and stuff, with the runs beginning Monday.  But - I thought I oughta get a thread started here to "bookmark" the spot on the Forum.

Nancy and I are sitting in impound as Andy Sill's bike gets finished - and as we're waiting for Skip Hedrich to make the last run of this meet.  Mike Cook and his crew have been here for a few days (at least!) getting started with the dragging, setting up the pit, and so on.  So -- who's going to be here to race?  Well, I dunno for sure, save that Ron Main said that his car would, for sure.  I just saw Lynn Goodfellow's Mormon Missile transporter moving from the WoS pits -- maybe towards home, maybe towards the Shootout pit.  I'll find out later.

So, ladies and gentlemen, girls and boys -- stay tuned for the Cook Motorsports Top Speed Shootout for 2010.  It oughta be another super-duper show.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Freud on September 18, 2010, 07:12:36 PM
Ack Attack will add excitement....I guarantee all of you.

Rock and Mike don't hold back.

That dude is loaded for bare.

FREUD
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: mkilger on September 18, 2010, 07:26:51 PM
Slim how many people were on line last year for the shootout? I know it was a lot so lets see if we can top it this year.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: 4-barrel Mike on September 18, 2010, 07:42:41 PM
The bottom of the forum's home page has some stats (used to have more but SSS simplified it).

From those stats:

"Most Online Ever: 192 (September 24, 2009, 03:05:02 PM)"   :cheers:

Mike

Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: RayTheRat on September 18, 2010, 10:54:48 PM
I plan to be there Monday ayem with cameras blazing.  I should be able to provide better photo coverage than I did at WoS, since I won't be racing and should be able to focus my attention on the teams in the competition.

I've run into a fella here in the Salt Lake City area who's expressed an interest in coming to the salt and maybe do some video stuff.  Today he was working with http://speedcasttv.com/ shooting the NASA snoozers...I mean nationals.  Sorry...I know the racers were having fun and the organizers did a great job, but there was a lotta follow-the-leader stuff.  I worked on photo technique with differing camera settings, etc. 

Anyway, does anyone know if there would be a problem if a freelance videographer showed up? 

Back to the photo edits.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: ack on September 19, 2010, 01:37:49 AM
I plan to be there Monday ayem with cameras blazing.  I should be able to provide better photo coverage than I did at WoS, since I won't be racing and should be able to focus my attention on the teams in the competition.

I've run into a fella here in the Salt Lake City area who's expressed an interest in coming to the salt and maybe do some video stuff.  Today he was working with http://speedcasttv.com/ shooting the NASA snoozers...I mean nationals.  Sorry...I know the racers were having fun and the organizers did a great job, but there was a lotta follow-the-leader stuff.  I worked on photo technique with differing camera settings, etc. 

Anyway, does anyone know if there would be a problem if a freelance videographer showed up? 

Back to the photo edits.



Hi Ray:
Brian Leckey is producing a program for Discovery International which will be broadcast worldwide.  They have paid a substantial sum to Mike for exclusive rights for video broadcast of the event.  Brian doesn’t have a problem with the individual teams having their own video people as long as the video is not for commercial broadcast.  I can put the video person in Salt Lake in touch with Brian if you PM me and maybe they can work something out.

Here is a link to some dyno video for the documentary   http://vimeo.com/14415126
 
Loctite is the official sponsor this year.

Top Oil will be providing food and drinks for the entrants again this year.  I will see you at the salt soon.

The entries as it stands now on the car side:

Ron Main/George Poteet           Speed Demon

Mike/Terry Nish                       Royal Purple

Charles Nearburg                     Spirit of Rett

Amir Rosenbaum                     Speed by Spectre

Lynn Goodfellow                     Mormon Missile    Possibly  ??????

Bikes:

Top 1 Ack Attack                             Streamliner

Scott Horner/Jamie Williams            Open Wheel  Hayabusa    MPS/F 1650

Willie Hodgson                               Open Wheel      BMW 1000RR

Richard Hatfield                              Open Wheel Lightning electric bike  Possibly ??????

Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: RayTheRat on September 19, 2010, 07:17:44 AM
Thanks, Mike.  I really appreciate the feedback.  I can answer one of your "possiblys".  Lynn and the Mormon Missile won't be there.  Their plan is to come back for WF.  He made 2 runs at WoS and on the 2nd, broke a driveshaft.

I look forward to seeing you (and everyone else) Monday.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: TINY on September 19, 2010, 01:36:44 PM
The way I understand Loctite is the title sponser of Cooks landspeed shootout this year & not only get updates here on Landracig Loctite will have updates on Facebook.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 19, 2010, 02:32:37 PM
Nancy has linked the Loctitie Facebook site with her page, and later I'll have her put something on this thread asking all to follow to Facebook to "like" or "suck up" or whatever the Facebook word is.  The extra cross-exposure will help both Mike Cook's efforts - and landracing.com, too.

We're on the way to SLC for a few hours -- will be back to the salt for the 5PM meeting at the Cook compound.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: desotoman on September 19, 2010, 02:54:17 PM
I think this is their link on Facebook.

Tom G.

http://www.facebook.com/Loctite
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: TINY on September 19, 2010, 03:06:38 PM
On facebook under search put in Loctite & you will get it.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: landracing on September 19, 2010, 05:27:31 PM
Heck ill ""Like" the page for the updates....
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 19, 2010, 06:37:45 PM
Gee, I suppose that you might get updates there, but since lots of folks don't have anything to do with Facebook -- don't abandon this Forum for what's going on at the Shootout.  I'll try to find out which of the owners of Facebook are out on the salt when we're at the driver meeting a half hour from now.  Or maybe some of the owners of Loctite will be there.  I'll letcha know.

So, in the meantime, here are a few shots of the new Top Speed Shootout trophy that Mike Cook has had created. 

(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202010/IMG_2364.jpg)

(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202010/IMG_2366.jpg)

(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202010/IMG_2365.jpg)

We're at about mile marker 20 -- I'll be back in a little while with information from the meeting.  Don't expect too much -- most, if not all, or the participants have been on the salt before.

Cook reports that the runs are hoped to start tomorrow morning by 7.15 Utah time.  Salt opens at 6, the first racer will leave the south end for the north at about 7, and the first run soon thereafter.  First run will be north to south. 

Later --
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: TINY on September 19, 2010, 08:07:27 PM
Deffinately don't abandon this web site its the greatest but people can chegk em both and support Loctite.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 19, 2010, 08:22:15 PM
Yes - by all means hang onto the Loctite Facebook page -- so that Loctite Corporate will see lots of support from the racers.  They're giving some financial support to Cook -- and more folks looking and talking about Loctitie will help keep the Shootout going.

So -- The driver's meeting is over.  I took some photos, and I'll see if they're any good (pretty bright late afternoon sunshine out here) and post 'em in a while -- but for now, here's the basic stuff. 

The salt will open at 6, but earlier by request, with first runs about 7.15-7.30.  Tomorrow will be the beginning, with the Nish car running first.  They're going after the Summers Brothers 409 record.  The second car to run tomorrow will be Poteet and Main chasing the Markley 358 record.  After those first vehicles -- it's more of an open choice of who's next.

Tuesday morning will start with Charles Nearburg and the Spirit of Rett chasing the Summers Brothers 409, followed by the Ack Attack.

Amir Rosenbaum and the Spectre Engineering car is due to arrive out here later tonight - so no idea of when they'll be ready to run.  And as for other motorcycles -- no information yet on who's coming and when they'll run.

Okay - back to the motel to try to edit and upload some photos.  And don't forget that Ray'll be here in the mnorning to start doing his photography, too.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: joea on September 19, 2010, 08:23:47 PM
..sss...your quote.."Don't expect too much"...

problem is...since your there...dont sell yourself or others short...!!!

what you may not fully realize is that, many that come here, dont know much
of what has been or who has been before...its a global audience...!!!

additionally...what you may shrug off as meaningless is often not...ie even
seemingly "scant".."minute"..details are often a priceless discovery for folks
in various aspects of a build or even as just a "voyeur' of speed......

there is simply a treasure trove of gems just waiting for you to "UNCOVER"....
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: landracing on September 19, 2010, 09:19:41 PM
Slim,

Any change you can get what the FIA and FIM classes of each are going to be, who hold the current record in the FIM / FIA classes. I think I know but but many are in the dark on what they are.

Entrant, FIM / FIM class and maybe what the scta equivalent would be? That is some good information that we can soak in. I think the Markley FIA record was set during a SCTA World Finals meet some years ago, same time period when Al Teague, Vesco and Danny Boy did theres.

If you make it over to Ack Attack ask Mike about his struggles on the Dyno and what he finally found as the fix. These guys were thrashing two weeks ago on finding the problem, even went back to all the stuff from a year ago and took off a bunch of power enhancers for this meet do find the problem.

Did Nish come with the larger Klein engine or the same one from last year. I heard rumors that he increased the displacement again.. Don't know if it was true. How is he solving his "More Miles per dollar dilemma?"

I thought the Jet Bike was going to be back again this year also but I have not heard any mention of it in the list of people attending?

Keep the tidbits coming as people supporting the site are relying on them to help cure their disease.

JonAmo
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 19, 2010, 09:29:43 PM
I've been putting this post together and see that you've asked for some details, Jon.  Dave Petrali is going to give me a bunch of pages of data tomorrow - including previous record holders, if he can get them to me from the format he's got them.   As for the Nish engine -- I got the photos (below) -- will try to get answers if the shots aren't enough.  I'll talk to Ack -- chatted more with Rocky and Ken at the meeting.  No word about the jet bike -- so no news is no news.  I'll ask -- but haven't heard anything about it.

On to my post - - -

Well, I've narrowed down this evening's photo session to about three dozen shots.  First of all -- here's a close up of what the Nish team is bringing to the shootout:

(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202010/IMG_2413.jpg)

(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202010/IMG_2412.jpg)

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And here's a few shots of what the racers will have to run on in the next few days.  These photos were shot near the south end of the 11-mile course.  This is the worst part of the course, by far.  My hat's in there for a bit of perspective.

(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202010/IMG_2418.jpg)

(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202010/IMG_2419.jpg)

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Dave Petrali, the USAC official that officiates for FIA here, first appeared on the salt in 1961.  This makes FIFTY YEARS that he's been out here (no, not all fifty of 'em, but most of the years 'tween then and now).  Mike Cook presented Dave with a plaque to commemorate the anniversary, and Dave responded with cake for everyone.

(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202010/IMG_2414.jpg)

He even cut and served the cake:

(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202010/IMG_2415.jpg)

Loctite is now an official sponsor of the Shootout, and here are a pair of photos of Loctite's people on the scene.  They're handing out caps, shirts, and tomorrow will have "goodie bags" of product -- including new stuff that isn't on the market, they told us.

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(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202010/IMG_2408.jpg)

Here are a bunch of shots of who's here.  If you don't recognise 'em - ask and I betcha someone will tell you who's who.

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Before I go on, whaddaya think of a driver meeting with chairs, tables, and shade?

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(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202010/IMG_2398.jpg)

Mike Cook Jr.:

(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202010/IMG_2393.jpg)

Rocky Robinson and Ken Puccio from the Ack Attack bike:

(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202010/IMG_2392.jpg)

(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202010/IMG_2391.jpg)

(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202010/IMG_2390.jpg)

Mike Akatiff and the new Top Speed Shootout trophy:

(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202010/IMG_2388.jpg)

Mr. Nish:

(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202010/IMG_2386.jpg)

Mike Crawford from Wendover's Car Quest store:

(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202010/IMG_2387.jpg)

George Poteet:

(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202010/IMG_2385.jpg)

And last of this series -- Nancy was there, too:

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That's it for this evening.  Early to Pizza Hut, early to bed, early to the track.  See you tomorrow -- when the Shootout begins.  Gonna be a real shootout, too -- with both Nish and Nearburg chasing the same record. This is gonna be great!
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: racer on September 19, 2010, 11:52:40 PM
you've got the job of a life time.
thanks for the up dates.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: landracing on September 20, 2010, 12:06:24 AM
Thanks Jon for the info.

Nish versus Nearburg -

Historically you would have to put lets say 5:1 on Nearburg.

Nearburg at World Finals went 402.955 as exit speed on a 5 mile course. Average speed in the mile on that run was 394 and still picking up speed. I would not think they would have came with same HP levels. And if course offers then another mile for speed, seems logical they could have a good chance. And they have always made full course passes.

Nish however at the Shootout I do not remember it under power past the 2 mile when using the big Klein engine. (year one low oil pressure put in smaller engine, year two lost rod, year three sucked a valve) did I miss a year?

There seems to be a new addition on top of Nish's frame like a breather catch can? Is that new?

JonAmo
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: 1212FBGS on September 20, 2010, 12:09:12 AM
+1
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 20, 2010, 09:28:20 AM
Good morning, one and all.  It's about 25 after 7 here at the pit end of the International course.  We got here to see the Nish car being buttoned up and towed away, crew and all in the various support vehicles.  So - no answers to your questions.  I try not to be intrusive when a team is in the "ready to run" mode -- they've got better things to do than mess around with pesky questions.

Mike Charlton with the jet bike IS on the way here.  I hear there were some big fire in the SLC wooded area yesterday and he got balled up in the traffic mess - but he's on the way.  Amir Rosenbaum arrived sometime 'tween when we left here last night and this morning, and the crew is setting up his pit now.  No other bikes have showed up -- no word on who might be on the way.

It's about 60F and wind is from the north about 10 mph -- blowing right down the course from far end to the pits.

I'll post and add more.

Ken Rappaport happened to be near the Nish car when they fired it this morning -- reported the "aroma" of the fuel implies they're running "quite a load" in the tank.  Hmmmm.

As for Nish versus Nearburg -- at World of Speed Nearburg ran 370 -- shifting into high gear just before the five mile, implying he had it geared for this longer course.  Take that for what it's worth, but he's got lots left, hmmm?  And that was all-motor -- no spray.  We'll see soon -- Nish should be to the other end and ready to run by 8 our time.  It's 7.30 now.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: landracing on September 20, 2010, 10:03:50 AM
Tell ray if he wants a picture of it under power get it before the two mile just in case

Thanks jon for early report goes great with my coffee.       .

Jonamo
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 20, 2010, 10:06:55 AM
Nish is getting into the suit and they're readying him and the car.  Wind has dropped, too.  

Don't forget that we're also pit stewards, so right before a run we've gotta chase around and herd folks away from the "hot" area.  I'll get as many posts as I can, folks.

PS  Glen, you're covered.  Love, Loctite.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 20, 2010, 10:09:07 AM
Nish is getting into the car.  Wind is bouncing all over.  Lockdown.

Starting the engine.  Engine is running.  

Other news:  Charles Hennekam, a/k/a FIM Charlie, just arrived.  Good to see him -- it's been a full year.

8-9 mph headwind for Nish right now.  The car is just now coming off the push truck.

Car is under way.  Through the two, sounds like he's clicked it off.  More in a few seconds.

Coasting through the three mile.  Jon, sounds like you were right in telling Ray where to take photos.

Speed Demon engine has been started to warm up.  The car is still buttoned in the pit, but the engine's running.  No word on why the Nish car shut off.  No parts hanging out of the car.

Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 20, 2010, 10:29:42 AM
They're going to push back to the start up there at the Floating Mountain end and try again.  Must have been something minor.  They'll try again.  They called Ron Main and asked if he minded if they gave it a re-try -- he reminded them there are only a pair of cars ready to run (Nish and Main) so go for it.  I guess the Speed Demon engine warmup was just a quick test.  Sure smells good around that exhaust pipe. . .

I'll report more when the Nish car is back at the start up there.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 20, 2010, 10:56:55 AM
Okay, Jon - and everyone.  Here's a little bit of FIA stuff.  I've been talking with Amir and Dushanka, his wife, whose name I'm not sure I spelled right, but what the heck, I gave it a try.  Amir says they've made a big change to the Spectre car -- in that they've built dollies to transport it without having the tires on the ground.  I'll take pictures later.  In the meantime, they're running Class 10 and 11, group one.  Blown, with class 10 being the 485" motor in the up-to 485-inch class, and the class 11 motor being the 529.  They're allowed to run any fuel -- but just use gas.

Other stuff -- Poteet and Main are loaded on the transporter and are now leaving the pit to go to the north end of the track.

15-17 mph cross wind right now.  Nancy has noticed a big wardrobe difference 'tween SCTA/USFRA events and the shootout -- at those events folks wear white t-shirts.  Here at the shootout -- the color of choice is black.  

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Here's a bit of the Poteet/Main pit:

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And here's what Loctite has at this party:

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(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202010/IMG_2424.jpg)


Winds are 13-17 coming out of the crotch in the mountains now.  Body is back on the Nish car, so we might be getting close.  Poteet/Main on the course moving towards the start up there.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 20, 2010, 11:09:32 AM
Wind has dropped a little -- down to about 12 or so at the tower.  Mike Nish just asked for the number -- might be ready in another 15 minutes.

Ack Attack has one engine running now -- nice to hear someone fired up.  Wind is continuing to die on the course -- zero here in the pits.  Speed Demon is nearing the far end.

Scott Horner just texted -- said the Williams/Horner team is leaving SLC now.  Be here in a few hours.  Good -- another race team coming for the Shootout!
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 20, 2010, 11:23:39 AM
Course is locked down, pits are clear, Nish is in the car and ready to start the engine.  Wind is dying down -- less than 3 mph from the mountains at the tower.  Engine is running.

Canopy is on the car, car is moving.

On the good salt, car off the push truck, coming at us.  Easy on the throttle, starting to get into it,  nice rooster tail.

Through the two mile, shut it off.  Coasting through the three, still moving fast, no idea why he's shut off again.  Through the four mile.

Through the timed stretch at 122 mph.  Fire trucks chasing and now starting to catch up.

He's a half mile from the pit and being pushed in.  I'll report on what's what.  

Speed Demon is about 15 minutes from being ready -- icing the intercooler right now.

Kenny Hoover is saying the Spectre might run a test later -- just a test.  Akatiff wants NO wind so he's only a maybe for today, Nearburg won't runm 'til tomorrow.  Spectre is just doing some dolly tests right now.

Here's Nish rolling into the pit:

(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202010/IMG_2429.jpg)
(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202010/IMG_2430.jpg)

Mike Charlton has just arrived on the Salt.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 20, 2010, 11:40:36 AM
By the other way, I'm not posting all of the photos we're taking -- but many.  So if you'd like to see all of the shots from out here at the shootout,, follow this link to Photobucket:

http://s263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202010/

Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 20, 2010, 11:48:47 AM
Main reports the chase truck is moving into position -- maybe another five minutes.  I've gotta go chase folks outta the way.  Be back soon.

Write your congressmen, ladies and gentlemen.  The course is the problem with the Nish car.  The first time the car kicked out sideways and Mike shut it down.  The second time - the car bounced on the lousy dirt at the start, the engine revved and the limiter shut it down.  Mike has to pedal it carefully and even use brakes to keep the engine from spinning up. 

Speed Demon ready to run -- I've gotta go kick folks off the course.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 20, 2010, 11:59:24 AM
Speed Demon is under way, off the push truck, headed towards us, through the one mile.

Through the three mile and gaining speed, through the four, into the measured mile/kilo.

403 in the first lights.  413 exit speed, chute is out.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 20, 2010, 12:01:10 PM
Chute did not blossom.  Coming fast, slowing but no chutes.

Sorry -- had to move the truck out of the way.  Slowing now and into the pits.

Safe -- engine off.  First chute didn't deploy, but second chute worked okay.  Motor was running as he came into the pits, so they'll try for the one hour turnaround.

I'll get the speeds and report.

413 and 413 mile and kilo, exit was 422.

413.537 mile   413.526  kilo  

The time of the entry into the clocks was 10.00.20 -- Tower will give us fifteen minute warnings through the allowed hour.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: mkilger on September 20, 2010, 12:12:09 PM
looks like 400 MPH is the new 300, lMain sure made it look easy.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Glen on September 20, 2010, 12:12:32 PM
Jon, good stuff, keep it up.
 :cheers:
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: landracing on September 20, 2010, 12:20:15 PM
Sweet for Poteet... Now he sits in the car as crew preps it for turnaround.

A couple years ago Nish car went airborne about the two mile and Mike was able to save it.

Hard to say its the course whent the next guy in line tosses a 413 mph run.

Good stuff Slim, thanks

JonAmo
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 20, 2010, 12:32:01 PM
Here are some shots of George and the car as he arrived at the pits and during the turnaround thrash:

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Tire guy and pit lackey Nate Jones:

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Floor jacks?  Who needs floor jacks.  Up -

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... and down:

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Dave Petrali just brought two pages of printout with this year's competitors and the existing records.  Speed Demon is ready to leave the pit -- I'll post those pages later.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 20, 2010, 12:39:56 PM
Engine running, canopy down.  21 minutes remaining.

Past the pits, through the mile.

Through the four, looking good.  through the five.  339 entry speed.   324 and slowing in the mile.  Chuite is out.

No words yet on what's happened.  Car is still moving.

Fire truck says all's looking okay -- no problems, is going back to location.  Nish is moving into starting position.

James Rice has been asked -- about whether the average speed is over the 1% increment needed.  No report -- maybe he's doing the math.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Glen on September 20, 2010, 12:42:32 PM
Bummer
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 20, 2010, 12:48:05 PM
Here are those pages from Petrali.

First -- the existing records.

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Now the list of who's here and the records they'll try to take:

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And as for comparing FIA and SCTA -- Dave reminds me that it's a major issue and not easy.  I'll get you his address if you want to discuss it.

Poteet and Main evidently did set the record.  Combined average speeds  Kilo  363.847,,   mile 363.673    Exceeds old record by more than 1%, so pending verification and certification -- there's the first new FIA record of Shootout 2010.  Congratulations.  Here are a few shots of the car being turned around - and leaving the pits cruising past our truck:

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Since I was in the truck playing pit steward I didn't get over to Charlton's pit --= so here is a long shot of the jet bike:

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Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 20, 2010, 12:56:09 PM
Mike Nish is about to get into the car.  Wind is 9-10 mph quartering headwind.

Speed Demon crew didn't take air bottles to get the car back onto the transporter, so they'll push off to the side of the course so the Nish car can run.

Maybe 5-10 minutes 'til Nish runs.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 20, 2010, 01:02:21 PM
Mike Nish is being belted into the car right now.  8 MPH headwind at the tower.

Engine is running.  Car is moving on the push truck.  In the soft dirt -- pushing a half mile or so.

Tiptoed through the bumpy mile, now on the throttle hard and moving out fine.

Engine off, coasting through the two mile.

Made it through the measured mile 1 mph faster than the last aborted run -- let's see -- about two hundred fifty, three hundred more runs and they'll get the record.  That's not me -- they're talking that way on the radio.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 20, 2010, 01:15:26 PM
Nish car is back in the pit.  Now comes the next series of "Wha' Happent?".

In other news, the hydraulic system on the Spectre's new recovery dolly isn't working - so they can't get in line to make a run.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: landracing on September 20, 2010, 01:25:20 PM
When Terry Nish was talking about getting more miles on his race engines per dollar spent, I didn't realize he was going to do it two miles at a time. So he's got 6 miles total so far, or there about.

JonAmo
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 20, 2010, 01:43:45 PM
The Nish team is thinking about insulating the MSD box from engine heat.  The box is evidently getting too hot and shutting down the party.

Ken Puccio, Ack Attack crew chief, says they've done lots of stuff.  A new tail piece is ready - if they decide to use it.  They've upped boost with bigger turbos -- can make 35 pounds.  Don't want to -- did it earlier today and blew open the airbox, so welded it back and are going to return to the 27# they made on the dyno.  That's about 800 hp.  They're gearing for 390 with the engines spinning 10,200 -- vs. last year's 9,500.  The MoTeC sensors are giving goofy data - so the team has gone to high-zoot stuff -- Suzuki factory pieces for things like cam position sensors.   They're running fine.

Rocky will likely make a test and tune pass today to see what things are like in the real world, not just the shop and the dyno.

Speed Demon is still not back in the pit -- still fiddlin' with the car onto the transporter.  And- I see the Nearburg car out in the sunlight, so that's a good sign -- out of the trailer for the first time today.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: trimmers on September 20, 2010, 01:50:02 PM
Judging from the list of who will be going after which record, am I correct in assuming that the Speed Demon crew is going to be busy making changes?  If they're still running the turbo'd 299-inch SBC, it looks like they just got the I-9 record.   Will they pull the turbo (or just install a similar non-turbo engine) for II-9?  Is the old half-a-hemi four going back in for I-8?  Will they really need a bigger engine for I-10, or can they set a record in that class with an engine that's actually less than 5 liters?

Thanks again to everybody who's down there on the Salt for the reports and pictures.  See you for World Finals!

Jeff in Boise
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: joea on September 20, 2010, 01:57:44 PM
hey sss.. Ack team made 35 lb boost earlier today...?....or was that
meant to say at home...?..

hopefully Demon crew getting it sorted...im sure they didnt come
to set a 3 something record...

Joe :)
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 20, 2010, 01:59:34 PM
Speed Demon is here for as many as they can.  They can take off the turbo, they can run the four cylinder, and they've got a bigger engine - something about 350" -- to go into the bigger class.  The rules state the motor must be in the class in which they run -- no using a small engine in a bigger class.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 20, 2010, 02:04:07 PM
Okay, boys and girls -- you can go eat lunch.  We're on hold 'til at least 1.30PM Utah time - it's noon now.  I'll be outa here for a while.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: k.h. on September 20, 2010, 02:45:38 PM
Where's RaytR?  Out at the other end, or is it time to organize a search party?  Jon, you're doing a stellar job.  It's just me out in the Internet peanut gallery wondering.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Freud on September 20, 2010, 02:58:14 PM
Ray Therat left the power supply  for his laptop at home. It will be delivered tomorrow and so

he's on "radio silence" for a short short.

I can imagine that he has shot up a few rolls of digital film and we will see some before long.

He may download them to SSS computer.

FREUD
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 20, 2010, 03:27:08 PM
But while he's down -- he's not out.  Here are the five photos he got to me:

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Okay, lunch is winding down, the creme brulee is being finished, and we'll be  back in operation soon.  They've started the Spectre car in the pits -- so it'll run.  Don't know if they'll be on the course today, though.  back soon.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 20, 2010, 04:02:16 PM
First of all, they found it!  The wheel from the turbo on the Speed Demon has come back to earth! 

It's what went away on the return run.  Data showed it went about the 3 1/2 - 4 mile, just after the boost went to about 35 pounds (which is about five over Turbonetic's suggested max.).  Dan from the SD team used the data to know where to look -- and found it about 200 yards to the side of the race course.  Here's what it looks like, and Danny, the guy that found it.

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More photos of the wheel:

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Here's where the shaft is "friction-welded" to the wheel:

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In other updates -- Speed by Spectre, Speed Demon, and Nish all report they'll be ready to run in less than an hour.  Don't blame me if that time estimate is wrong -- I'm just the messenger. . .
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 20, 2010, 04:04:51 PM
Mike Charlton has just fired the jet motor for the first time out here.  What a spectacle.  He says that he's ready to give 'er and see just how fast the bike'll go.  Last year's 200 was test -- this year is for a balls-to-the-wall high speed.  Best wishes, Mike.  I'm going to go over there for some photos.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 20, 2010, 04:09:13 PM
Let me take this "commercial" break to thank the many of you that are sending donations during the Shootout - and also those that sent a buck or a bunch during the previous events.  I'm gratified that you all find it worth your while - to thank me for the absolute blast I have out here giving you the information that I'm lucky enough to gather.

Thanks, and keep those Paypal buttons hopping -- means I don't have to beg so often during the rest of the year.

Jon, a/k/a Seldom Seen Slim
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: landracing on September 20, 2010, 04:21:53 PM
Mike Charlton has just fired the jet motor for the first time out here.  What a spectacle.  He says that he's ready to give 'er and see just how fast the bike'll go.  Last year's 200 was test -- this year is for a balls-to-the-wall high speed.  Best wishes, Mike.  I'm going to go over there for some photos.

Yep get em while you still can.....
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 20, 2010, 04:37:05 PM
Yeah, I know what you're thinking, Jon.

So here are a few.  First, Mike on the bike getting ready for a test fire:

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Now a series I took as he fired the engine.  It spins up to make some compression, then gets fuel, then ignition.  This series was about a minute long as he'd spin it, fuel it, fire it, shut off ignition, and back and forth a few times.  Remember -- these photos are all a few seconds apart.

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And you think Burt Munro's neighbors used to get upset when he'd run up the engine late a night.  How'd you like to live near Mike?

Here's a wide shot of one side of the pits:

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Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 20, 2010, 04:40:37 PM
The Nish car is on the trailer.  The body isn't on it as yet, but at least they're moving the car into transport position.  Spectre isn't ready -- bodywork not on, they're working on the car.  Poteet and Main still wrenching on the replacement turbo.  Ack is running the bike now and then -- static tests, waiting for either no wind - or tomorrow.  Nearburg's car is on the shaded apron -- I'll go see what's up with them.  No sign of Scott Horner yet.

There's at least one Ack motor again. . .rumble, rumble, shut off.  Start up, shut off.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
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Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 20, 2010, 04:59:47 PM
Okay, John -- I'll tell 'em.  John isn't just passing gas -- I wrote the post about donating after I got a donation from him.  He, like many of youse guys, keeps the site going.  We've got a few advertisers -- but I try to limit those as much as is reasonable -- so you get almost 100% land speed racing and as little as possible advertising.  And when you see an ad -- please patronize the advertisers.  They help us stay focused on racing.

Enough thanks -- the Spectre is getting ready to run, and Nish car is about 15 minutes from ready, too, the team reports.  No word recently from the Speed Demon pit, although just now I heard them running the engine.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: stwheeler on September 20, 2010, 05:07:40 PM
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Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: jimmy six on September 20, 2010, 05:09:10 PM
I may be reading it wrong but the # everyone wants is 409+ mph...but none of the classes seem to fit the Teague entry from 1991. Could be wrong on this one.....

I am assuming they all want the single reciprocating engine wheel driven record.

PS: The check is always in the mail....................JD
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: landracing on September 20, 2010, 05:25:19 PM
Teague was a single monster CI and blown....

Nearburg and Nish want the Summers 409 record because it is naturally aspirated. Summers ran four engines, Nish and Nearburg want to do it with a single engine.....

Poteet just wants FAST, and doesn't seem to care who holds the record or what CI they are....

JonAmo
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 20, 2010, 05:37:20 PM
I'll try again with those sheets from Dave Petrali.  These show the old records and classes.

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I know they're not the best images -- gotta shoot 'em with the camera and try to have 'em good enough so you can read.  Dave says he can get me a .bmp file of them -- but for now, squint and you can make it out.

Also -- Amir Rosenbaum/Kenny Hoover have just towed out of the pits and towards the far end.  Here's what the car looks like (in case you don't remember):

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Other stuff:  Nish has replaced the coil in the car.  They haven't started the motor yet -- anytime.

Speed Demon is towing to the far end, just like Speed by Spectre.  Spectre has first dibs on running.  Winds are under 5 mph all up and down the course -- about five tailwind here in the pits (where it's too late for the wind to help the car).
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: John Noonan on September 20, 2010, 05:43:01 PM
Is the Car Kenny driving the old "Plastic Express" # 6969  ?
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: landracing on September 20, 2010, 05:48:05 PM
I do believe so John,

JonAmo
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Glen on September 20, 2010, 05:51:30 PM
That's the one.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: jl222 on September 20, 2010, 05:52:49 PM
  How big a hole did that turbine wheel put in Speed Demon :-o

              JL222
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 20, 2010, 05:58:51 PM
I hear they've got it exiting the car -- on the on-car video.  I don't think it hurt bodywork -- came out through the exhaust pipe.

Spectre is going to run soon.  It'll be a test run to see about rolling into the pit and doing a practice of the turnaround.  Poteet will try a real record qualifier immediately after the Spectre car is in the pit.

It's a few minute before 4 -- the first run should start in a little while. . .maybe fifteen minutes.  At least that's what they're telling us.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 20, 2010, 06:09:01 PM
The Spectre is on the ground and Amir is getting dressed and ready to enter the car.

The Nish car is running in the pit -- good sounds!
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Pat Kinne / Salt201 on September 20, 2010, 06:09:44 PM
John - The Spectre car was Roy Fjastad's 777 liner origionally, It was sold to Plastic Express and then to Amir - Amir's gang did a lot of very good updating on the origional piece.  With the finished body work and added length, its a rocket - Pat Kinne
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: John Noonan on September 20, 2010, 06:12:54 PM
I do believe so John,

JonAmo
John - The Spectre car was Roy Fjastad's 777 liner origionally, It was sold to Plastic Express and then to Amir - Amir's gang did a lot of very good updating on the original piece.  With the finished body work and added length, its a rocket - Pat Kinne

Funny thing, on the side of the car it used to say "Sponsored by Classy Chassis" Best Titty Boobie) club in Indianapolis..  :-D  It is a cool club.. :evil:
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Bobby c on September 20, 2010, 06:16:16 PM
SSS, and the reporting crew on the salt!  :cheers:
Thank you so much for what you do!
I am not getting anything done but so what!
Bob
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: t russell on September 20, 2010, 06:19:14 PM
I am not one who gets jealous but,Damn Jon you have given me a case of salt envy
terry
great reporting
thanks
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: jimmy six on September 20, 2010, 06:29:27 PM
Land...Didn't even think about Summers NA engines combo.....Dah..........JD
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 20, 2010, 06:31:48 PM
George Poteet is in the car and about ready to go.  What?, you ask?  What happened to the Spectre?  It seems they found an intercooler trouble -- so while they're fixing the Speed Demon will make a run.

Belting George right now.

Nish has fixed a few things -- found a bad mag and replaced it.  They're planning on making a run this afternoon -- assuming the other cars get done with their efforts.  I asked about that "save the engine by going two miles at a time" idea -- didn't get very cheerful responses! :roll:

George is in and they're putting the canopy down.  Engine is started, course is clear.  Gotta go clear the pits.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 20, 2010, 06:35:06 PM
Speed Demon is moving from the push truck.  Hauling azz, I hear.

Picking up speed.  Through the two mile.  Through the three

Entry speed.    419     mile 415   Chute's out

Slowing well at the two (going to the zero, remember) 417.430 kilo speed  didn't get the mile -- will get it later.

The car is on the tarp.  Crew is working.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: John Noonan on September 20, 2010, 06:37:23 PM
419... :cheers:
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: mkilger on September 20, 2010, 06:39:20 PM
was on cell phone with JR on that pass almost as good as being there thanks JR
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: joea on September 20, 2010, 06:43:37 PM
...what the heck...the peanut gallery...must go on..

..hopefully the msd remedy...coil fix..and mag replacement will aid
their handling/course issues as well........GO NISH..!!!...

jl22...turbine wheel extrude honing on exhaust dump pipe..?.... need
"Loctite" on the new one...!!

Speed Demon ..wow..cant get over how consitent that car and team is...nothing much seems
to get in their way and hold them back...
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 20, 2010, 06:46:50 PM
Nish is leaving the pit now for the far end, and Ack Attack is going to go there, too.  Poteet gets to run before anyone else, of course.  Nate Jones is looking at tires on the Speed Demon, the crew is working on the car, George is napping inside.

Nish is going up the course.  Wind is about five from far end to here.  Ray the Rat is in the Speed Demon pit snapping photos as fast as he can.  I'm typing and enjoying sitting with Nancy.

Word is that Poteet and Main are dead for now -- lost the turbo (again).  Cancel the return run.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: racefanwfo on September 20, 2010, 06:50:20 PM
is the jet bike going to get a run in before the end of the day.  :cheers:
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 20, 2010, 06:51:50 PM
Charlton and the jet bike are still in the pit, hidden from right here by their truck.  Can't tell you 'til I mosey over there, and it's a little hectic here right now.

Spectre has found the problem -- have sent a load of ice for the 'cooler from the pit to the car.

Nish is moving towards the far end -- just radioed in that they'll be at the end in a few minutes.

Speed Demon lost the turbo, all right, but I don't see any physical damage -- no broken parts or bodywork.  They'll cool the engine and see what's going on.  In the meantime, they're moving the car out of the way.  Spectre is pitted after Speed Demon - and will cross right in front of the SD pit.  Gotta move our truck out of the way, too.

Ack just said that in the morning they'll be at the far end by about 6.30 or so -- and will let Nearburg make a first run, then the Ack bike.  Guess that means we've gotta get up early again in the morning.  So much for early-day hymeneal hijinks at the Motel 6, room xxx.  It doesn't get light enough to run 'til about 7.15AM, thankfully.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 20, 2010, 07:13:43 PM
Speed Demon motor just started and ran for a few seconds - they switched it off then.

Amir is getting in the car.  Not sure if it'll be five minutes or what.  Remember, this'll be a test run to check gearing and such, and also to practice him getting it into the pit and doing the turnaround.  With Nish down there to run and HOPING to qualify -- Spectre/Amir won't plan on doing another run today.  There's only an hour and a half of good light remaining.

Canopy being lowered on the Spectre car.  Course is clear.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 20, 2010, 07:21:31 PM
Car is moving, past the two mile.  Trucks are blowing horns as they pass.

Through the three and chute is out.  Coasting -- past the four and still moving.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 20, 2010, 07:23:24 PM
Spectre is coasting, about the six mile, fire truck is driving along with him.

Poteet and Main will run in the morning N/A -- will take the turbo off the car overnight.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Glen on September 20, 2010, 07:25:31 PM
Any speeds on Spectre??
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 20, 2010, 07:29:38 PM
No speeds.  He was slow before he got near the first of the lights.  Still barely off the course, and the push truck is behind him so that they can clear the course so Nish can run.

Speed Demon lost the turbo 'cause the oil line to it was blocked.  They thought things went away clean when the first one blew up -- but evidently the line was blocked.  They didn't change oil, thinking they didn't need to do so.  Maybe they shoulda, hey?

Nish is about ready.  Course will be clear in thirty seconds.  Track is clear.  Mike Cook Junior will be running the track for this run -- we're waiting for him to get things started.  Canopy is down on the 998 Nish Streamliner.  Car is moving.

Car is rolling, off the push truck.  Past the one and looking good.

Through the four and coasting -- but rolling fast.

Past the two and still under power!  

Slowing. . . slowing.  Through the three and coasting.

Fastest speed for the car today -- 154 in the entry traps.  Exit is 140 mph.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: rlague on September 20, 2010, 07:42:56 PM
I do believe so John,



Funny thing, on the side of the car it used to say "Sponsored by Classy Chassis" Best Titty Boobie) club in Indianapolis..  :-D  It is a cool club.. :evil:

John how do you know about this place??? Or were you selling pistons in there during Expo??
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 20, 2010, 07:44:05 PM
The Nish car is back in the pit.  Early word is that they blew a hose off the intercooler/turbo, and if that's it -- they might put it back together and try to make another run tonight.  If they don't run today -- we'll be done for the day.  Stay tuned 'til I hear a little bit more.  I'll letcha know as soon as I can.

Speed Demon reports they lost a turbine wheel again, same as before.  They're looking on the track for it now.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: landracing on September 20, 2010, 07:49:00 PM
Wait... Nish doesn't run a turbo or intercooler.    Must have been the traction control hose...

Jonamo n

Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: rlague on September 20, 2010, 07:51:58 PM
I sure hope Speed Demon crew brought a lot of turbos!!  How many more do they have??
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: little max on September 20, 2010, 08:00:26 PM
Great speed ,Speed Demon  419  Hope all is O.K.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: little max on September 20, 2010, 08:02:10 PM
I can`t wait for Ack tomorrow GO FAAAAAAAAAAAST!
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 20, 2010, 08:03:09 PM
Yeah, Jon, you're right.  That'll teach me to report what I hear on the radios.

Speed Demon is out of turbos for now.  Turbonetics will arrive Wednesday morning with spare parts - they'll run N/a tomorrow - since they've gotta pull the broke parts off anyway.

Still no word on whether Nish will try to run.  It's getting late -- barely enough time to put it together, tow to the far end, and get in a run  and still have the hour for a return run.  They did start the engine a little while ago.  It's still off -- no body parts on the car, either.

Well, they're putting the top on the car.  They're putting the car on the transporter trailer.   Stay tuned.  Put the TV dinner in the oven and get back to the computer, hey?

By the way, The Ack pit is torn down for the night -- and the bike is in the carrier for morning.  Nearburg's car looks ready to rock and roll tomorrow, too.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 20, 2010, 08:18:26 PM
Nish car has left the pits for one more try tonight.  Mike will drive in the dark if he has to, I guess -- I noticed they were mounting headlights on the car before it left the pits.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 20, 2010, 08:32:43 PM
Nish is about two minutes from running.  It's six thirty -- ready to clear the course and the pits.

They have a minor electrical problem - got a replacement module in the pit.  Cook just fetched it and is taking it down the course.  Now we'll get a timing slip on Cook's truck.

Well, maybe it's good that the Nish team got the car running -- Cook's a turnout.

Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 20, 2010, 08:40:53 PM
Car has the canopy back on and they're ready to fire up the motor.

Course is clear, tower is clear.  Track is Nish's, canopy is on the car.

Engine is running.  Car is moving.

Through the one.  Still moving, through the two mile.

Car won't shift or something -- engine is off. 

That'll be it for tonight, folks.  See you in a little while - I'll not leave 'til I hear if there's anything to tell you.

Coasting slow at the four, probably stopping.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 20, 2010, 08:48:42 PM
Just talked with Ken Rappaport about the Spectre and the problem.  The course is so rough down at the far end - that the bouncing on the unsuspended car A:  got a hose form the turbo loose, and B: the main wire from the alternator to the battery system melted.  Further research will continue.

Other news:  Scott Horner has just arrived at Land's End and is proceeding to the pits. 

No news on whether Nish can repair and re-start yet this evening.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 20, 2010, 08:55:00 PM
The event is over for today -- Nish can not make another run.  See you in the morning.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Ro Yale on September 20, 2010, 09:28:05 PM
Thanks for the reporting. Great Job.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: landracing on September 20, 2010, 09:51:49 PM
Thanks a bunch for the updates, sure keeps the excitement up for me.

I really hope Nish finds the problems and makes an awesome pass. I know he sure deserves it. He has such a passion for getting the Summers record, he has a fine driver, and a pit crew that is balls to the wall. They are top notch., today was his Bonneville bug day, I think Tuesday will be an outstanding day for the whole Nish Team.

I'm curious to know what a turbo motor will do naturally aspirated in the Poteet camp.

Top 1 Ack Attack I'm sure will not disappoint.

Nearburg and team I bet are ready to put down a good number, they are focused, ready and have been very successful...
 
The Jet bike guys, they are determined no matter what. I think they are the epitome of what Bonneville is all about. A dream, a build, a thrash, low key and the passion to go fast.

I can't wait for Tuesday's reporting, I think I will just stay up all night and wait.....

JonAmo
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: stwheeler on September 20, 2010, 10:01:40 PM
Seeing that Sam is not there this year I would like to wish Rocky and Mike, GOOD LUCK tomorrow am. I hope you go fast and safe, but not too fast after all I still favor Sam.  :cheers:
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Elmo Rodge on September 20, 2010, 10:54:01 PM
I got home from WOS yesterday afternoon. Took care of the stoopid stuff. I'm heading back in the morning for 2 days.  :roll: Wayno
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Richard 2 on September 20, 2010, 11:03:34 PM
SSS, GREAT, GREAT, GREAT, GREAT.
 SENT A DONATION THANKS
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Freud on September 20, 2010, 11:09:35 PM
Did all the race teams quit when they closed the course?

Generally major stories evolve as the crews thrash late into the evening to be ready for the next day.

Our coverage seems to have ground to a halt when there aren't numbers to present.

Reporting starts when no one is running. It tells us what to expect the next day and why today turned out the way that it did.

I learned more with my cell fone while I'm in Palm Springs than I did from the Salt.

Hasn't always been that way, has it?

FREUD
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: interested bystander on September 20, 2010, 11:54:26 PM
C'mon Dr Fleud, remember when, (as I commented recently) when ALL you got was the Bonneville results in the NOVEMBER Hot Rod.

Slim, Rat and others have spoiled us.

What are ya, one uv the NEW GUYS that saw World's Fastest Indian and became a Landracing expert?

I'm listen' to Joe Williams on the only Jazz station left in the US rite now  and can't be bothered with these NEWBIE complaints!

G'nite!
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Freud on September 20, 2010, 11:59:15 PM
Look Incested Bystander, I have known the World's Fastest Indian for a L O N G time.

His name is Jim Travis.

FREUD
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: wobblywalrus on September 21, 2010, 12:07:57 AM
It would be interesting to know what happened under the covers, I mean tarps, tonight.  Us new guys don't know what these people can do when the pressure is on.  Great coverage. 
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: mkilger on September 21, 2010, 12:20:13 AM
Freud, classic  thats funny
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Uncle Jimbo on September 21, 2010, 12:28:45 AM
SSS - Freud all - the reporting is so spot on its almost like being there, the pictures are really a treat. All the side bar type info - You guyz make it like old time radio - where you have to use your imagination to visualize whats being told to you, and you do a fantastic job.
Like hearing you say - Speed Demon through the traps at 413 mph - no main chute opening - - - Oh man ! the suspense - I love it as I am sure others do also.
I felt like a kid listening to the radio the last 1/2 hr catching up.
Great stuff guyz -
THANKS !   Enjoying every minute -   :cheers:   :-D

Jimbo
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: 836dstr on September 21, 2010, 12:30:18 AM
Jon,

Thanks for the GREAT reporting! Almost felt like being there, without the Salt and stuff. Extreme thrashing and extreme results.

Can't wait to log on tomorrow. Meant to send a check after Speedweek, in the mail tomorrow. Keep up the good work!

Tom
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: FIL on September 21, 2010, 12:59:14 AM
Having gone to Speedweek with the intention of posting big updates every night from the hotel room, and then ending up spending hours sitting in the Macca's carpark because the hotel room didn't have any internet connection at all, I'm grateful for any snippet that pops up, so thanks to all that are out there posting, and good luck to all the competitors! :)

See you all whenever I can save up the $$$ to come back to the US again :)
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: wobblywalrus on September 21, 2010, 02:02:00 AM
Basic questions for a car expert.  The blower engines I worked on years ago had compression ratios, cam profiles, and valve sizes that would not work well as N/A engines.  Can Poteet and Main get their engine to run well as N/A by simply removing the blower, or will they be switching engines when they go to all motor tomorrow?  Those cars look awful complicated with all of the hoses, wires, etc packed into a small space.  Isn't an engine change beyond what can be done overnight on the salt?  I thought the BLM made everyone except the security people leave at night.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: landracing on September 21, 2010, 02:23:59 AM
Wobbyl,

First off they run a Turbo and not blowers. I can not speak for them however todays engine are so refined in the motorcycle world stock valving and cams seem to work the best with turbo's. However I could see them using a lower compression piston. I bet they don't change cams or valves from their NA to Turbo motors.

Many posts back I was wondering how the engine would run NA with lower compression, I did would assume they run the same valves and cam. Good question maybe for John W to get in morning.

In the past the have had spare motors already ready to go down to the motor plates, starters etc etc. Remove a few oil lines and fuel lines and electronics and drop the baby in. Upload a NA tune up and they are ready to rock. Ron Main told me they could swap a motor in line waiting if they have to. This team is very well organized and a pit crew that is fast and efficient.

I do not think it is a BLM rule about camping on the salt, I think it is a organizers rule. But if they stay up all night and don't sleep then they wouldn't be camping. However I think a motor swap if need be would only take less then a couple hours.  Could be out there at 6 am and be ready to run after two vehicles complete a FIA/FIM attempt in both directions.

JonAmo
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Oldanontheway on September 21, 2010, 07:35:46 AM
Waiting, waiting, waiting, waitin, waiti, wait, wai, wa, w, ,.......Damn, I can't wait for the racing to begin.  I hope everyone gets to go really , really fast today!

old.......
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: -Bob- on September 21, 2010, 08:03:01 AM


Ack just said that in the morning they'll be at the far end by about 6.30 or so -- and will let Nearburg make a first run, then the Ack bike.  Guess that means we've gotta get up early again in the morning.  So much for early-day hymeneal hijinks at the Motel 6, room xxx.  It doesn't get light enough to run 'til about 7.15AM, thankfully.

My main language is french, i am sometimes confused when reading here: I am pretty good with technical motosports expressions, since i read magazines about that for so many years. But i do use a translator to help me when things goes where i'm not used to.

I dont know why, but the translator had an hard time on this one.

Keep up the good work Jon..  You're a very passionate guy

Thanks


Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: rlague on September 21, 2010, 09:12:17 AM
is Ack Attack on the salt yet?
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 21, 2010, 09:19:14 AM
We're here, we're here.  Mike Cook is on the radio right now offering thoughts and prayers to the Brauer family for the passing of Gary yesterday.

(moment of silence)

Charles Nearburg and Ack Attack are both at the far end of the course this morning, waiting for the sky to brighten enough to run.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 21, 2010, 09:30:12 AM
Teams are allowed to stay out here overnight.  The permission is granted by the race organiser -- Mike Cook in this case.

As for staying out here 24 hours a day to give coverage -- well, it's not about to happen with me at the helm of this site.  There's not much to report during the wee hours, or, for that matter, when there's only thrashing going on.  I will not get in the way of a team that's working on a vehicle.  They're here to race and don't need me - or you, for that matter -- poking into their way to ask questions.  As soon as I can get in there I'll try to get you some information.  Other than that -- you'll get what we get as soon as I can type it.  If you've got specific questions, go ahead and post them and I'll read them when I can and get an answer when I can and get it back to you.  But -- speeds and stuff like that come first and foremost.

Okay, ranting response has ended.  Nearburg's crew is about done deploying at their assigned positions along the course and the car will run in the next few minutes.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: rlague on September 21, 2010, 09:30:45 AM
thanks Jon
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 21, 2010, 09:34:35 AM
Nearburg's engine is running, canopy is down, car is on the push truck.

Car is under way heading from mountains to the pits.

Car has past the zero and is out of site of the folks at the start line.

Sounds good from the tower.

By the three and coming fast, says the tower.

By the four.  Entry speed:  410  

Through the six and engine is off

kilo is 417

Chute is out, through the nine, moving fast, heads up in the pit.

Motor still running.

Kilo speed 417.023   mile  416.903   

Car has exceeded the record and it's suggested they try for a return run.  Car is on the tarp in the pit. 
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 21, 2010, 09:40:04 AM
Ray the Rat is here this morning and will be taking photos, as usual.  His computer power supply will be here in a few hours - and that's when he'll be able to start posting photos.

Here's a repeat of the speeds on the 1122 Spirit of Rett car:

Entry   410.9    kilo   417.0    mile   416.9    exit  422

Once I get precise numbers from the tower I'll let you know -- but that 422 sounds dang strong, hey?

They're thrashing on the turnaround now -- have about 50 minutes or so left.  Shouldn't be a problem.

Rocky and the Ack Attack bike will run as soon as possible after the Nearburg car is done with the return run attempt.  The wind is zero right now -- good weather for a 'liner bike.  It's in the low 60s, too, and clear skies, and -- wait a minute -- isn't this good Bonneville weather?  Sure wish you were all here with us.

In other news, the Nish car is on the trailer and being pulled out of the pits -- with NO bodywork on it.  Wonder what's up -- moving away from the pit and the shade for better lighting, or to wash down the car?
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: landracing on September 21, 2010, 09:47:18 AM
Way to go Nearburg..... Get that Summers Record. They have to be in the 1% for the record, funny math tells me they need about a 408-409 mph run on the return run to exceed that number. Not sure for the kilo.

Spirit of Rhett team rocks..... get er' done....

JonAmo
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 21, 2010, 09:52:36 AM
As we were leaving the salt last night we saw Mike Charlton towing the jet bike off the salt, sans bodywork.  They did this last year, I remember -- take the bike to town for work overnight.  They aren't back on the salt yet. 

Spectre car is still in the pit next to us and still covered with towels and tarps, no sign of crew yet.

Back to other stuff, Poteet and Main will run the turbo motor with no turbo on it.  The discussions here are right -- the engine is built with low compression, so running n/a it doesn't make lots of power -- maybe 600, maybe 750 max.  But remember that the Flatfire went a bit over 300 with 550 hp -- so they've got the potential for some good numbers even without the turbo.  They'd run the 5 liter with no turbo.  They've got tuneups in the computer for all modes.  They've got the bigger engine in the trailer, too -- the 350" (or close) that can run, as well as the 4 cylinder.  Not short of ammo, that team.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 21, 2010, 09:58:10 AM
Nearburg's team is just about done with the turnaround thrash and are starting to put last-minute things back.  The canopy is hinged -- stays with the car at all times.  They've used only about 20 minutes of their 60-minute window.   Car is on the dolly to be towed to the start for the return run.

2 minutes from lockdown.

Car is ready to run.  Wind is about 8-9 mph cross track from critchin the mountains to the tower.  Course is clear, Rocky is at the far end and waiting to run as soon as Nearburg gets there.  Since Ack Attack is a bike -- FIM requires a push off of no more than 1/4 mile, so FIM Charlie has put a cone out on the track at that point so the truck knows where to come off the bike and vice-versa.

Ooops -- Cook reports about five minutes 'til Nearburg leaves the lline.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: trimmers on September 21, 2010, 10:08:09 AM
Adding 1% to the Summers mile record of 409.277 comes out to 413.36977, so Nearburg will need a shade over 410 for the mile record.  Go Charles!

Jeff in Boise
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 21, 2010, 10:09:45 AM
Car is on the push truck, wind is 6-7 out of the pass.   Canopy still open.

Engine has been started.

Car is starting to move on the push truck.  CAr is away from the pits.  Bouncing a bit on the dirt.  Hard on the throttle, in second gear.

Through the two mile.  Throught the three mile, sounds good from the tower, in fourth gear.

Entry 405,   kilo 411,   mile 411,  chute out at the eight.

Slowing down, looking good. 

Ack Attack ready to run soon.  Stay locked down 'til we hear more about them.

Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 21, 2010, 10:15:57 AM
Ack is anxious to run -- so have the Nearburg team do their celebrating off the track.

Speeds on this run for the Nearburg car:   entry  405    kilo   411.8   mile   411.6   exit  417.6   Will have the averages for you ina minute or two.

One happy guy shouting from the Nearburg car.  Cook just congratulated him via the two-way.  Sure is exciting, folks.  Wish I could get the shivers on my skin -- to you out there.

New record averages:   Must be over 414   Kilo  414.477    414.316.  GOOD ENOUGH!!!!!!
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Rcktscientist on September 21, 2010, 10:21:31 AM
Kudos Charles, that's one long standing record you broke!
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Glen on September 21, 2010, 10:24:52 AM
Great run for Nearburg. A lot of people have tried to get that record over the years, They are a class act and put themselves into the record book with an honorable speed.Congrats to Charles and the team. There is a lot of history behind this car. Many changes over the years and always a fast car.
 :cheers:
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Dave Haller on September 21, 2010, 10:25:29 AM
Now that is a piece of history. Congrats to Charles and crew. :lol:
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 21, 2010, 10:32:55 AM
Ack Attack is about ready to run -- maybe five minutes, maybe more.  Wind is 9-10 mph at the tower.  Don't think Rocky will like to hear that.

Now the wind is sagging a few mph.  Nearburg car is off the course.

Here are some photos of Nearburg leaving the pit and of the work going on in the Speed Demon pit.

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Still too much wind for Rocky -- still waiting, waiting, waiting. . .
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: John Noonan on September 21, 2010, 10:34:13 AM
Congrats to the team!!!   :cheers:

John Noonan, johnbeck, Tom Slick, firemanjim, spongebob, Seldom Seen Slim, Cris Shearer, rlague, joea, turborick, Cajun Kid, Squid Bob, mkilger, ryanbutlerfab, Ron Gibson, stwheeler, Glen, DallasV, Leadfoot, flyguyddt, Rcktscientist, landracing, 46champ, Jimbo, Dean Los Angeles, Bob Wanner, baron, bvillercr, Dynoroom, DahMurf, WhizzbangK.C., Scott and 50 Guests are viewing this board.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Texican on September 21, 2010, 10:42:23 AM
THIS IS OFF TOPIC; BUT POTENTIALLY IMPORTANT:
Per MSNBC, Twitter has been hacked, a patch is in place, use your best judgement.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39285873/ns/technology_and_science-security/
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Rcktscientist on September 21, 2010, 10:44:20 AM
Some of us are here and still keeping up with the news on this site!
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Dean Los Angeles on September 21, 2010, 10:46:49 AM
Recap

Monday
7:09NishShut off at two
8:23NishShut down - rough course
8:59Speed Demon413.537 mile   413.526  kilo  exit 422
9:39Speed Demon339 entry speed.   324 in the mile - turbo destroyed
9:48Speed DemonRecord - Kilo  363.847,  mile 363.673
10:02NishEngine off, coasting through the two mile - MSD box too hot
3:35Speed DemonEntry 419, 417.430 kilo, mile 415
3:46Speed DemonNo return run turbo gone again
4:21SpectreFull course run, no speed - lost a hose, alternator wire came off
4:29Nish154, exit 140 - lost a hose
5:40NishCar wouldn't shift
Tuesday
6:34Spirit of RettEntry 410, kilo 417.023, mile 416.903, exit 422
7:09Spirit of RettEntry 405,   kilo 411.8,   mile 411.6 exit 417.6
7:15Spirit of RettRecord - Kilo  414.477,  mile 414.316
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: landracing on September 21, 2010, 10:47:53 AM
How do you think the original builder of the car feels right now Howard Nafzger??? congrats to all involved who make things like this happen.

JonAmo
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: John Noonan on September 21, 2010, 10:49:02 AM
Recap

Monday
7:09NishShut off at two
8:23NishShut down - rough course
8:59Speed Demon413.537 mile   413.526  kilo  exit 422
9:39Speed Demon339 entry speed.   324 in the mile - turbo destroyed
9:48Speed DemonRecord - Kilo  363.847,  mile 363.673
10:02NishEngine off, coasting through the two mile - MSD box too hot
3:35Speed DemonEntry 419, 417.430 kilo, mile 415
3:46Speed DemonNo return run turbo gone again
4:21SpectreFull course run, no speed - lost a hose, alternator wire came off
4:29Nish154, exit 140 - lost a hose
5:40NishCar wouldn't shift
Tuesday
6:34Spirit of RettEntry 410, kilo 417.023, mile 416.903, exit 422
7:09Spirit of RettEntry 405,   kilo 411.8,   mile 411.6 exit 417.6
7:15Spirit of RettRecord - Kilo  414.477,  mile 414.316

Nice time-line..
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: landracing on September 21, 2010, 10:50:08 AM
Dean.

I like your summary.

JonAmo
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 21, 2010, 10:57:20 AM
The wind is dying down - surprisingly.  Maybe Rocky can get in a run soon.

So -- what are the chances that the Speed Demon (or any car, for that matter) would toss a turbo wheel out the exhaust two runs in a row?  They found the second one, too -- just like the first one.

Wind is at zero at the tower.  We're waiting for the Team and for Charlie FIM to give us the word that they're ready.

Nancy and I moseye3d over to Scott Horner/Heads Up Performance pit a little while ago.  He's got a pair of blown 1650-class 'Busas here.  One has body on it -- for Jamie Wagner to get some runs, the other is naked now for Scott to run to bump his Bub FIM record.  Then he'll put the body on and get some speeds.

Going to lockdown for the Ack Attack bike run.

Rocky is in the bike.  Winds are under 2 mph everywhere on the course -- zero at the tower and zero at the pits, 1.7 at the 3 1/2 is fastest anyplace on the course.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: ol38y on September 21, 2010, 10:59:32 AM
Give her h*** Rocky... :-D
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: mkilger on September 21, 2010, 11:01:32 AM
whats the record that Rocky's after?
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Tom Slick on September 21, 2010, 11:02:40 AM
Wow, 45 years for that record to fall. Congratulations the the entire Spirit of Rett team, that was HUGE!

I'm a little bit curious, has the Spirit of Rett been going after the Summers Brothers record for awhile like the Nish team has, or is this their first shot at it?

Looks like Nish has their work cut out to get the Spirit of Rett record now. Good luck guys!
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 21, 2010, 11:05:35 AM
Spirit of Rett is about two or three years old -- under the ownership of Charles Nearburg, that is.  He's been working his way to this goal since he got the car.

The Ack bike is gunning for the 367 record of Bub #7.  The two bikes have traded the record back and forth a few times in the past couple of years.

Rocky is belted into the bike, course is clear.  Engines are running, bike not moving yet.  

Bike is moving out on the push truck.  Wheels are up, bike is on the course.  Accelerating hard.

Hauling the mail, Cook says.  Out of sight from the 12 mile.  By the two, coming fast.  

Through the three, into the four, past the four, into the measured stretch:

Through the five mile   292 mph.   exit speed 307

Slowing, chute deployed at the three, hold the course in case they turn him around after a quick 'chute pack, try again.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Brian Westerdahl on September 21, 2010, 11:17:23 AM
A Big congrats to Charles and the Crew.  That is a great job We know how hard it is to geter done.  Thats an old record that has eluded quite a few over the years.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 21, 2010, 11:27:00 AM
Rocky reports the bike wanted to heel over to the right -- even though there was no wind.  He also says "it wants to run!".  Mike Akatiff and crew are thinking on how to tweak the aero now to correct for the little tilt.  Rocky had to get out of the throttle and back into it to keep it on the middle of the tire.

There was some smoke coming out from the tail section when the bike shut down here in the pits -- it's been decided it was just the heat wrap smoking.

They're going to think about it -- and maybe try to turn the bike around and make a run up the course in less than a half-hour.  The wind is still zero.  I've got photos -- will put 'em here after I click to let you folks read this.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: k.h. on September 21, 2010, 11:27:15 AM
Spirit got 'er did!
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 21, 2010, 11:47:23 AM
We've been at the wonderful celebration at the Nearburg pit.  Best of all -- Bill Summers CALLED and spoke with Charles.  What a great piece of history we've seen.  I took photos -- will get 'em here in a minute or two.  Nothing else going on right now -- still working on the Ack bike.  Back with pictures in a minnit.

Charles Nearburg, new holder of the Summers Brothers N/A record from 1965:

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Nearburg and Lee Ryan, his crew chief:

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Talking with Bill Summers:

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Spirit of Rett Crew shots:

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Charles Nearburg, holder of the record that Mike Nish is chasing, shaking hands with Mike:

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A wistful Mike Nish:

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Nearburg and the Loctite on-site honcho:

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And that's it for right now.  Still waiting for the Ack Attack team to let us know what they're doing.  Oh, yeah -- when asked about what's next for the 1122 team -- Charles reports it's time for steak and champagne -- further thoughts on the car come later, after the celebration. 

You folks out there in internet land -- sorry you weren't here in person.  I hope you were able to share some of the excitement we all felt today.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: jimmy six on September 21, 2010, 11:54:51 AM
What Charles Nearburg has proven that nothing lasts forever. The whole group is to be commended for continuing in their effort with others not far behind. It's too bad the Summers Brothers car never reached its potential but that was a different time and era in Land Speed Racing.

Great coverage.....Thanks to all contributing...................JD
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Uncle Jimbo on September 21, 2010, 12:07:38 PM
Jon - Thanks a million ! The narratives and pictures keeping us on the edges of our seats.

Jimbo
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: racer on September 21, 2010, 12:28:37 PM
You guys are great thanks for news and photos.
Wow, Exactly like being there minus the friends and machines.
Plan on attending the finals.
racer
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: DahMurf on September 21, 2010, 12:34:35 PM
Rocky reports the bike wanted to heel over to the right -- even though there was no wind.  He also says "it wants to run!".  Mike Akatiff and crew are thinking on how to tweak the aero now to correct for the little tilt.  Rocky had to get out of the throttle and back into it to keep it on the middle of the tire.

Forgive me as this is highly inappropriate but... maybe they should just tell Rocky to dress left!  :-D  :evil:

 :cheers: WTFG Spirit of Rett!!!

Gawd I love this place! :-*

Debbie
the devil made me do it!
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 21, 2010, 12:35:44 PM
The wind has come up a bit, so Ack bike is still hanging here in the pits, waiting, waiting.  

Scott Horner is here and about to make some runs while we wait for the wind for Ack.  Also, Poteet and Main have now finished re-doing the motor to N/A and are trailering to the far end to get into position.  Back to Scott Horner -- he's here with Jamie Wagner.  They're going to try to up the 192 naked record they puton the bike at Bub's, and see if they can get a red hat for Jamie.  Scott says that once that goal has been attained they'll put the bodywork on the bike and "get silly".  FIM Charlie is ready and waiting to supervise the effort.

Ack bike is in position and just waiting.

I found some photosof the Summers Brothers and the Goldenrod, and took one for Charles Nearburg to autograph.  I'll get a photo of it for youse guys -- but no, you can't have it.  It's MINE!  Gottas have a souvenir that'll last for a long time -- this one will go on our trophy wall at home.

In other news, the Spectre car is being readied for a run in the next hour or two.  They're next to us -- bodywork is off and they're going through everything to make sure, then will button up and go racing.

Nish team is still in the pit and working.  Further deponent sayeth not.

And then, before it'd post, I see Debbie's comment.  Oh, Debbie, how did you get to see so close-up?
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: rlague on September 21, 2010, 12:39:54 PM
JON,
Thanks for all the great reporting......We will be there Thursday PM and then I can thank you in person.
Dick
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 21, 2010, 12:49:11 PM
Here's the update:  Rocky is in the bike here at the pit end.  He's going to try a two-way run starting at this end.  Scott Horner's team is ready to run when the course is clear.  Poteet and Main are now arriving at the far end to await their turn to make a N/A run.  That's the update.  Wind is all over the place -- but not too strong.  

Nope -- Rocky isn't going to run now.  Back to you, Scott/Heads Up.

We'll look forward to seeing you Thursday, Dick.  Nancy and I will be here through Friday afternoon -- l;eaving in time to get to SLC by bedtime for an early AM flight to our house for a week or so - then back here.  Too bad -- we'll miss the lawnmower event.

Yesterday - remember the Spectre's run that Amir Rosenbaum had to abort?  Here's what started the chain of events.

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The story goes:  For some reason the cable from the alternator overheated, which made a red light show on the dash.  Amir had just shifted into fifth -- saw the light.  Lifted and then put in the clutch, at which time the motor burped a few tablespoons of oil through the turbo.  He coasted for a short time thinking about whether he should pull the chute, keep coasting, pull the fire bottle switch.  Pulled the chute, and that ended the story.

Here's Nancy sitting with Elmo Rodge, enjoying the ambiance of the Top Speed Shootout 2010:

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Finally for this post -- Scott Horner's bike (they didn't tell me if it's Scott or Jamie riding) has just left the pit.  They'll go to about the 2 mile and make a run.  Charlie and Drew Gatewood are standing by to "officiate" on the run.  I'll get you reports as they come in. 

No word on when the Ack bike will run -- Mike Akatiff gave Scott the go-ahead to run the course right now.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: guttley782 on September 21, 2010, 12:52:55 PM
This is fantastic, what a story! It feels a million miles away here in the UK, but at least you wonderful people are letting us all follow the saga. I thank you with all my heart. Regards, Gabriel.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 21, 2010, 01:02:35 PM
Bike 968 is ready to run, Jamie Williams up.  Engine is running, bike is moving.

Aborted the run, turned around and going back to the starting point.

4 mph winds at the tower -- cross wind angling towards tail wind, .5 mph at the 7 1/2.

Going to tune on the bike for a few minutes.  Still in lockdown.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 21, 2010, 01:13:18 PM
Re-starting the motor on the faired bike at about the two mile.  Nitreous solenoid is hanging up -- they'll work on it back here.  

Poteet and Main are getting ready to start the prep for a run.   Might run in 20 - 30 minutes.

Update -- it's about 23 past 11 and George is getting into the car.  

Car is running, course is clear.  The car is running on a Hoffman and Markley 231 record, under 5 L N/A.

Car is under way.  Off the push truck.  Moving out smartly.

Through the one mile and accelerating well.

By the three and coming fast, switched of just before the four.  Still moving -- aren't sure if the engine is on or not.

Through the five.  208 mph

Driver reports something popped in the car, will try to coast to the pits.  Deployed chute at the four mile, fire and ambulance are paralleling the car, push truck is following.

Car is moving about 20 mph less than a half-mile from the pits.  May have to be pushed into the pit.

Timing tower heard the "pop" when the car was near the tower -- course sweep is looking at the track to see if there are parts on the course.

Drive line/u-joint failure on the Speed Demon.

Ack attack is about ready to run.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 21, 2010, 01:47:24 PM
Okey-dokey, here we go again.  Rocky is getting belted into the bike.  Course is locked down.  Course is clear.

Ack Attack engines running.  Canopy is going down as I type.

Canopy open -- engines off.

Engines on again, canopy closed, ready to move out, on the push truck.

Skids up, under way, accelerating hard, just like it oughta be doing.  Boy -- course sounds rough.  Hearing the engines revving over the bumps.

At the one mile.

AT the two mile, looking good, says Lynda.  

Through the three mile.  2.7 mph wind at the four mile.

Through the four, entering the measured mile/kilo.

Entry speed:   287   by the seven mile.

Chute out just after the eight mile, slowing and looking good.

Speeds to follow.

Ran a total of just under 300, says the tower.  No decision yet if they'll try to sdervice and try again from that end.  The speed is not a qualifier - but they might elect to do just like they did earlier here.

Sounds like nobody will run for a while -- I'll get you a for-shore in just a minute.  Then -- we'll go on break for lunch.  I'll get some time away from here.  C U ina while.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: theazoldcrow on September 21, 2010, 02:04:43 PM
 :-D Jon, thanks from down here in the "stinkin' desert".  It's ALMOST as good as being there!  Thanks again for the posts, and pics!     Crow.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: DallasV on September 21, 2010, 02:19:08 PM
SSS, Bravo :cheers:
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: RayTheRat on September 21, 2010, 02:26:43 PM
It's alive!  It's alive!!!

(connected via Android tether.)
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: landracing on September 21, 2010, 02:29:26 PM
husssshhh everybody Ray the Rat is here now....

Look forward to some pictures....

How was your two day vacation?

JonAmo
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Freud on September 21, 2010, 03:09:32 PM
I thought Rats came out at night?????

F
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: RayTheRat on September 21, 2010, 03:09:48 PM
Vacation was all in the camera.  :)  It's on the computer now.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: landracing on September 21, 2010, 03:20:07 PM
he's a hybrid.... Some new plague....

JonAmo
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: desotoman on September 21, 2010, 03:21:36 PM


But remember that the Flatfire went a bit over 300 with 550 hp --

 :? :?

The Vortech Millennium Ford Flathead V-8 Engine
Ron Main Owner/Driver
Engine Specifications
Block: Ford 1946 59a V-8 Bore: 3.307 Stroke 4.375
Cubic Inches: 301 Horsepower: 653

That is from the website but Ron always told me they were making 700-750 HP when they set the record over 300. Just for general information.

Tom G.  

Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 21, 2010, 03:26:30 PM
Here's some new stuff.  The Speed Demon story on the blower is this.

Yesterday the first time the wheel broke and exited through the exhaust the early thinking was that the weld broke 'cause the wheel oversped.  Well, sorta -- because it turns out the air box lid lifted and allowed the wheel to overspeed.  But -- it wasn't just that -- it was thought to maybe be a blocked oil line that was a cause.  

Turns out that the oil line was the prime mover in the failure.  It happened again on the second failure yesterday.  The air box lifting allowed the overspeed - but the shortage of lubricant is what made things go bad.

Then, this morning, they were running the car with the N/A motor, as you know.  When re-gearing  -- well, take a look at these photos and you'll know a good part of the story.  I don't have the reason things broke - but break they did.


PS  I got that 550 hp number from Ron Main earlier this morning.  Maybe he's got a selective memory these days. :evil:

This is what used to be on the quick change gears:

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Here are two shots of the gears after being hurt:

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Here's where all of those bits and pieces used to live.  Note the shrapnel still in the case:

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Sorry these aren't perfect shots -- hard to get good clarity in the darkness and hand-held.  The yoke broke -- don't know which went first, the gears or the yoke.  And if you look carefully you can see a piece of the frame tube is damaged, too.

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So - the team is going to fix things and run again as soon as they can.  Don't expect it 'til morning, though.  In other news, the Nish car is running sporadically over in their pit, and Spectre just buttoned up and towed to the far end for an afternoon run.  Scott Horner's open bikes are still in the pit, the Ack Attack is in the pit.  Mike's jet bike is testing the motor - no idea if and when they'll run today.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: rlague on September 21, 2010, 03:37:11 PM
What are the Ack guys up to?  Will they run again today?
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 21, 2010, 03:38:51 PM
Don't know what Ack's got in mind.  They're over in their pit and looks like they're working.  Spectre is on the way to the far end, and the Nish car is no longer here in the pits.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: desotoman on September 21, 2010, 03:41:27 PM
What Charles Nearburg and the Spirit of Rett Crew have achieved is just fantastic. Way to go, I am so happy for you. Who would have ever thought a single engined Streamliner would take the Summers Brothers record.  The bar has been set, and so far IMO that is record of the year.

Tom G.

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Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Dynoroom on September 21, 2010, 03:46:03 PM
What Charles Nearburg and the Spirit of Rett Crew have achieved is just fantastic. Way to go, I am so happy for you. Who would have ever thought a single engined Streamliner would take the Summers Brothers record.  The bar has been set, and so far IMO that is record of the year.

Tom G.

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Not to mention 2 wheel drive vs. 4 wheel drive on the Summers car.

Congratulations Charles & Crew!
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 21, 2010, 03:54:10 PM
Back to some action out here, maybe.  Jamie Williams is firing up the open wheel bike (that didn't make a run earlier when a nitrous solenoid misfired) and has left the pits.  He'll make a short run -- far enough to get a record qualifier, then turn around to back it up.  I don't have my FM radio back from the lunch recharge yet -- wiil try to get it off the rack and get you some information.

He'll run from the 2 mile to the 8 mile.  FIM Charlie and Drew Gatewood are on the scene with the bike and the rest of the team. 
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: stwheeler on September 21, 2010, 03:56:12 PM
Congratulations Charles & Crew!
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: John Noonan on September 21, 2010, 03:58:11 PM
Back to some action out here, maybe.  Jamie Williams is firing up the open wheel bike (that didn't make a run earlier when a nitrous solenoid misfired) and has left the pits.  He'll make a short run -- far enough to get a record qualifier, then turn around to back it up.  I don't have my FM radio back from the lunch recharge yet -- wiil try to get it off the rack and get you some information.

He'll run from the 2 mile to the 8 mile.  FIM Charlie and Drew Gatewood are on the scene with the bike and the rest of the team. 

Williams or Wagner?


Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 21, 2010, 03:59:05 PM
Thanks for asking, John.  I had a brain fart - and would be happy to have you correct me.  I asked Nancy and she couldn't remember for sure, either.  So -- which is it?
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: John Noonan on September 21, 2010, 04:01:08 PM
Wagner..
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: John Noonan on September 21, 2010, 04:01:45 PM
He should be in your club..
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 21, 2010, 04:01:54 PM
The bike engine has been started.  Bike 968 is underway, heading from the two to the eight mile (that's south to north, basically).

Through the four mile, entering the timed stretch.  

Entry speed   193.9   kilo   196.3   mile   195.8  exit 196.1

Remember -- I've never been to a GG meeting -- don't know all of 'em.

Don't know if the speeds are enough.  There was a small - 5-7 mph headwind -- here at the pits.

Sounds like they're going to do a return run.  Should be about 15 minutes before they run back this way.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: mkilger on September 21, 2010, 04:13:16 PM
never mind
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 21, 2010, 04:18:15 PM
Jamie is about to start his return run.  Bike is moving out.

Through the four mile.  Entry speed is 192.9    kilo speed   194  mile   195.9   exit  202.48

Spectre -- Amir is in the car and waiting for his crew to get to the pits.  He'll run from the far end to the pits for a potential quick turnaround.

Car is running - ready to make an attempt.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: John Noonan on September 21, 2010, 04:28:17 PM
Congrats team Horner....any pictures of this Fine Machine... :wink:
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 21, 2010, 04:29:38 PM
Will get photos in a while -- Spectre is closing the canopy and ready to move.

Car is moving.  On the push truck -- now off the push.  

At the one mile, still bouncing a bit.  Through the one and he's coming strong by the two.

In high gear and through the three, by the four, into the mile.  Entry speed  384  kilo  390.4  mile 390.3   exit  396.2mph

Approaching the pits, slowing well.  In the pit -- missed our truck by at least four or five feet.  I nearly Subarued -- knew he'd be close - but not THAT close.  Wait -- I'll get the photo here in a minute.

Here's the chute line.

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Amir reports he got a mile marker and cone about the one and a half mile.  Just straighten it is the plan -- Nish is ready to run.  I'll go get a shot of the "ding" in the nose of the car.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Glen on September 21, 2010, 04:33:27 PM
Not bad for a cad engine :cheers:
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: JoshH on September 21, 2010, 04:42:23 PM
Soooooo close so 4!!!  :-D
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 21, 2010, 04:43:06 PM
Nish is running on the course right now.

Through the one, through the two mile.  By the four, still under power.

Entry speed, 399 entry  mile 404  through the four on the way back, chute deployed.

Cheering in the Nish pits -- best ever speed!  Terry says they're going to tune it up and go run it.

(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202010/IMG_2532.jpg)(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202010/IMG_2533.jpg)

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And then here are some of Amir's Spectre car, including an inside and outside shot of the dinged nose cone.  George, Kenny Hoover, and Amir - sharing stories.

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Finally, Dan Warner reports that the Spirit of Rett car's record has been certified.  Congratulations to the entire team.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: landracing on September 21, 2010, 04:48:56 PM
WOW I am so freakin excited for Nish and crew.... What a journey to get there and now they have gotten over 400 mph.... Ill eat my words from earlier posts.... GO GET THAT NEW RECORD FROM NEARBURG....

Again congrats Terry and Mike and most important the crew...

JonAmo
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: RayTheRat on September 21, 2010, 04:49:23 PM
Nish just ran 404!  No frikkin carburetor!  EFI works!
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Bobby c on September 21, 2010, 04:53:16 PM
Congrats Nish and Crew!!!!!!!
I can see I am joing to get alot done again today...Not!
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: landracing on September 21, 2010, 04:55:35 PM
Amir and team right at 400 mph also... When have you ever been at a meet when there has been almost 4 cars over 400 mph. This is history on the salt in the making.

Last time was Nolan White, Al Teague and Don Vesco in 2001.... (wait I just can't remember if Teague went over 400 at that meet.)

JonAmo
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 21, 2010, 04:58:24 PM
Amit told me that he was a bit light-footed leaving on that run - afraid of the bumps, so he didn't get on it 'til about the 3/8.  Next time he'll punch it right off the truck.  Four hundred isn't far away.  They're pounding out the dented front cone right now.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: 1212FBGS on September 21, 2010, 05:03:47 PM
wow!!!! a big fricken "RIGHT ON" for Nish... whooo hooo
kr
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: WildBro on September 21, 2010, 05:05:33 PM
Amit told me that he was a bit light-footed leaving on that run - afraid of the bumps, so he didn't get on it 'til about the 3/8.  Next time he'll punch it right off the truck.  Four hundred isn't far away.  They're pounding out the dented front cone right now.

Darn cones  :roll:

Bill
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 21, 2010, 05:17:59 PM
But Dad, you said I could have the car for the afternoon and didn't tell me I couldn't go over 400, did you?

(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202010/IMG_2542.jpg)
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: 1212FBGS on September 21, 2010, 05:21:35 PM
how bout..."when i tell you to do somethin son you better do it fast..... now go get me a 420!"
kr
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 21, 2010, 05:23:36 PM
Okay, enough of that.  Here are a few more photos.  Nish pit:

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Scott Horner working on bikes, and Jamie Williams sitting and talking with Charlie FIM about the FIM rules vs. SCTA classes.

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Course condition indication:

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Jamie reports the course was a little greasy - especially when he hit the button.

More later - no word on who's next.  Spectre hurt the rear end -- it's out of the car for a bit of work.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Freud on September 21, 2010, 05:24:06 PM
SSS, You done werry werry well on the fotos and the reporting.

Now u really got into it.

Congrats

antagonistic FREUD bows to BSF Herald Cub Reporter.

PS....Terry, don't stumble now. U is almost to one of yr goals.

You've climbed the mountain. Now u need to survive the return trip.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: RayTheRat on September 21, 2010, 05:26:32 PM
Here's "Frankenstein."  It's right around 400 mph in that shot.

I can't begin to tell you how happy the folks in the Nish pit are.  I've known Mike Nish for a very long time.  I've seen 'em struggle so many times.  Hell, I just about broke into tears as I was talkin with some of the team members.

It's just frikkin ossum!!!

Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Glen on September 21, 2010, 05:29:56 PM
It's been a up hill battle for them, sure happy to see them do it. Hope there is more in it. cheers to the whole team.
 :cheers:
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 21, 2010, 05:49:38 PM
Nothing broken on the Spectre's rear end.  They were just re-doing the tape seal around the base of the wheel guard - to make sure the salt doesn't get in anymore than possible.  Amir tells me they're looking forward to running again - probably won't run 'til first thing in the morning.

No word on what Nish is planning.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: flyguyddt on September 21, 2010, 05:56:32 PM
This is so awesome to be able to follow along from the office in Salt Lake!!!  Way to go Terry, Mike and crew!!  Been a huge fan of Terry ever since I heard the first call by the track announcer of "Terrible Terry Nish"..........!!!  Wish I was there calling the race for them right now!!

Dave "Professor" Turner

See you all on Friday!!!
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Dean Los Angeles on September 21, 2010, 05:57:17 PM
Hey! It's been an hour since anybody ran.

I EXPECT a 400+ run on the hour!!!
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 21, 2010, 05:57:54 PM
Now there's word on the NIsh car:

They've got the engine fired up and the body back on and the car is on the transporter.  They're going to go to the far end and make an attempt.  Still in the pits - but about ready to leave.

Nope, they're on the way to the north end of the track.  It'll take about a half-hour or so before they're ready to run, I expect -- transport time, car off trailer and ready, dress Mike, then run.  Stay tuned -- go get a fresh drink -- you've got a little time.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: #31 on September 21, 2010, 06:04:34 PM
I dont want to leave my computer.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 21, 2010, 06:05:09 PM
While we're waiting, I talked with Paul Hirsch -- the guy that's putting on a lawnmower speed trial this weekend.  Here's what he had to say.

"
Bringing the World’s Fastest Lawnmower Speed Record Back to the USA
Bobby Cleveland aims to reclaim the record at the Bonneville Salt Flats

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Contact: Paul Hirsch (773) 326-6388 • phirsch@goldeagle.com
CHICAGO – Former World’s Fastest Lawnmower driver Bobby Cleveland – Gold Eagle® Co.’s Engine Answerman - who set the original land speed record on July 4, 2006, is gearing up his 104+® riding lawnmower to reclaim his title at the Bonneville Salt Flats in Utah, the weekend of Sept. 24-26. In May, British driver Don Wales (on behalf on Project Runningblade) took the title by going 87.833 mph at the Pendine Sands in Wales – beating Cleveland’s record of 80.792 mph.  Cleveland was in attendance to see his record broken, and to cheer on his British counterpart. Cleveland is confident he can win back his title of World’s Fastest Lawnmower, bringing the ‘prize’ back to the USA.
   Gold Eagle Co. created a site (http://www.willbobbygo100.com) where people can guess how fast Cleveland will go. The winner will be awarded a cash gift card and other prizes. The site also houses various related video clips and information – including footage of Cleveland setting the record in 2006, interviews with his friends/family and more.
“I’ve been waiting four years for this,” said Cleveland. “That’s’ why I was excited about Project Runningblade’s attempt, as it gave me an excuse to go back to the Salt Flats.  I’m pretty sure I can go AT LEAST 90 mph, but would love to make it to 100, or even 104. I invite everyone to come out and cheer me on in September - the ‘mow’ the better!”
Gold Eagle® Co.  is the manufacturer of leading brands including STA-BIL® Fuel Stabilizer, HEET® Gas-Line Antifreeze, NO-LEAK® Treatments, 104+® Octane Boost, Start Your Engines® and DieselPower!® Diesel Additives.  Details on the full line of Gold Eagle products can be obtained at www.goldeagle.com, calling 800-621-1251 or writing Gold Eagle Co. at 4400 S. Kildare Ave., Chicago, IL 60632."

Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Bobby c on September 21, 2010, 06:14:03 PM
If my mower went that fast I just might get somthing done today :-D
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 21, 2010, 06:15:28 PM
Locking down the pits and the entire race course -- Nish car is getting ready to run.  Expect it in ten minutes or so.  The helicopter that's filming the event just took off.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: #31 on September 21, 2010, 06:20:35 PM
After Nish runs I better go do some hot laps around my yard on the mower. It will prob go 11 mph
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: rlague on September 21, 2010, 06:21:56 PM
JON,  Good plug.  The team from IGNITION3 will be shooting this for Gold Eagle and we are looking forward to it.  I hope lots of the cars are still there on Friday.  Dick Lague
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 21, 2010, 06:25:21 PM
The Nish car is ready to run, engine has been started.  At the one and bogey-ing!

At the two and gaining speed.

Through the five  395 entry speed

kilo   400   mile  400  exit

Chute deployed

Through the two and coasting nicely. 

Stopped on the tarp in the pit -- arrived in the pits with the engine running.

Speeds:  Entry  395.2     kilo   400.2    mile  400.1    exit 404.5
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Freud on September 21, 2010, 06:26:58 PM
Dick, if that last video that they posted is recent and their mower sounds as the new one does, it's the "Top Fuel" of lawn mowers.

Stay out of his way. He'll crash your motorhome.

Some people get all the plum jobs.

FREUD
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: RayTheRat on September 21, 2010, 06:28:44 PM
I'll be here on Saturday...if my information is correct, Dick Lague will be filming the lawnmower effort and I'm gonna hang around for that extra day to get some still fotos.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 21, 2010, 06:32:53 PM
I see the Nish team taking the body off the car.  No information about what's next for them.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Freud on September 21, 2010, 06:33:02 PM
Ray, have your ear plugs handy.

That is a  B A D  mower.

It could probably cut and bale hay.

FREUD
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: RayTheRat on September 21, 2010, 06:33:58 PM
Jon's done a great job of posting fotos from the pit area.  I'm gonna post some speed shots and some odds 'n ends.

Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 21, 2010, 06:49:59 PM
Just had a cool moment over here.  Mike Cook walked over with Terry Nish -- so I could read him some of the comments you folks have posted.  Terry was all misty eyed -- thanks so much.  He enjoyed hearing form you -- the racers that know how much the Nish family has worked over the years (just like all of us have done).  The film crew on site was here with Cook and Nish, so maybe when the Discovery documentary is released you'll be able to see Terry's reactions.  Thanks so much for telling him of your feelings for the team.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 21, 2010, 06:55:58 PM
The Speed Demon is flying to and from California to try to get parts to repair the damage to the rear end.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Freud on September 21, 2010, 06:56:20 PM
SSS, THANKS for being there to report to us.

FREUD
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: thundersalt on September 21, 2010, 06:57:15 PM
SSS, THANKS for being there to report to us.

FREUD
x 2 :cheers:  :cheers:
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: RayTheRat on September 21, 2010, 07:02:41 PM
More fotos.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Freud on September 21, 2010, 07:04:09 PM
121 signed on watching what we wish we were watching.......live and on location..

FREUD
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: racefanwfo on September 21, 2010, 07:05:22 PM
what was the fuel that the spirit of rett had in the tank.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 21, 2010, 07:06:37 PM
We got some good shots of Nish and Cook over here.  I'll get 'em on the site in a little while.  Right now we've got jamie Williams about to run the bike again.  He's sitting on it - will ride from the pits to the 2 mile to start.  Last run he rode from two to the eight - and back from there.  Problem was that they only therefore had a two mile runup on the way back down here.  This time they'll go three in each direction.

Williams has left the pit for his run.  Be back with updates in a minute.

Cook reports he'll run from the one mile this first run, to the ten.  FIM Charlie will catch him and turn him around.  

Cook just showed us a copy of the surveyor's certificate for the course.  $4k to have the course measured and marked.  YEOOWWWW!

I don't know what Spiritof Rett runs in the fuel tank -- but FIA doesn't differentiate on fuels, just on N/A of forced induction.  I'll ask, just for the sake of letting all know.  Won't 'til later, though.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: desotoman on September 21, 2010, 07:09:38 PM
The Speed Demon is flying to and from California to try to get parts to repair the damage to the rear end.


Slim,

Ask about the 9" Ford rearend they had made for the car? Will they put that in if they cannot get parts for the Quickchange?

Thanks,

Tom G.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 21, 2010, 07:12:03 PM
Williams is underway on the down run, south to north.  At the two and moving right smartly.

We can hear him from here.  Hard on the throttle -- can hear the bike here in the pits.  

Entry speed  194.8   kilo  199.731   mile  199.186   exit  201.8

He's running on a 196 1/2 record, I believe.

Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Dean Los Angeles on September 21, 2010, 07:14:13 PM
There was a Bonneville thread talking about whether or not to have spare tires with you.

Ron Main and the Speed Demon team had a spare turbo. And broke it. They are having a turbo flown out at who knows what price.

And flying to California and back with parts to fix the drive line.

Ron is the ultimate in land speed racing class. Class isn't what always comes out of his mouth, definitely not politically correct!

The Speed Demon project is what we all wish we had.

There are gazillions of us that spent countless hours shaping a body so that we could take a mold from it. Speed Demon designed it on a CAD system and had the mold machined. Then had Burt Rutan's Scaled Composites make it.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 21, 2010, 07:18:25 PM
Main says they've sent a couple of guys to California with the hurt rearend to have Ferguson rebuild it.  Ought be back here by tomorrow night or Thursday morning.  In the meantime, they're welding plates in to fix the break in the frame, and then will put in that spare rear end.  They don't have the gearing they want for it -- but will be able to run.

Horner's crew is servicing Williams' bike -- should be ready in 10-15 minutes for the return run.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Oldanontheway on September 21, 2010, 07:22:31 PM
Great reporting X 2.

old....
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Jim Kerr on September 21, 2010, 07:25:12 PM
Jon,please give Terry,Mike Nish and Tom Klein a super "Way to go" and best wishes from two first time viisitors to Speed Week two years ago. They treated us like family and I'm thrilled that they're fulfilling their dreams this year. They certainly deserve it. My eyes are tearing as I write this,but I wouldn't have it any other way. Enjoy the  rest of the meet and thanks Jon for your masterful reporting. It reminds me of listening to Sid Collins,I hope that's right,the Voice of the Indy 500 on the radio. Jim and Dennis Kerr
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: racefanwfo on September 21, 2010, 07:25:19 PM
hey jon when you ask the spirit of rett crew what fuel was in the tank could you also ask what kind of horse power the car puts out.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 21, 2010, 07:29:37 PM
Williams just made his return run.  Entry speed 195   kilo  197   mile 198

In other news, you gotta ask your questions quicker - Nearburg says it's plain ol' race gas with a healthy spray.  I got back and saw the hp question.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: hechtrod on September 21, 2010, 07:32:08 PM
hey jon when you ask the spirit of rett crew what fuel was in the tank could you also ask what kind of horse power the car puts out.


Just enough!  LOL

Thanks a million to SSS for the reporting and photos, R t R for his photos and the teams for putting on this show. 

I've been glued to the puter all day.  haha

Congrats to the Rhett team on the record, to the Nish crew on the 400 MPH runs and all for going FAST!

Chris
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 21, 2010, 07:34:04 PM
Keep those comments coming -- the Nish team will probably read this Forum thread tonight in the motel.  What you folks are saying is so good for all of them to see.

Back to the Williams bike -- entry 195.5   kilo  197.2   mile 198.3  exit 204.8
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: coloradodave on September 21, 2010, 07:35:34 PM
Thank you guys so much, this is as much fun as World Finals last year, that Nish car has a special place in my heart from my first year at SpeedWeek. Yeah!!
What time will they shut down for the day? :cheers:
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 21, 2010, 07:56:49 PM
We'll shut down for the day (no smart acura answer intended) when there are no more vehicles to run -- or at sunset, whichever comes first.  Sunset is about 7.15.

Here are some photos from Murph, a wandering motorcycler guy that's hanging around here.  He's blogging his journey -- and I think you'll see his watermark on some of them.

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Also news for you -- Jamie is going to accept the two runs that do, indeed, make a record, and make another attempt starting in a few minutes.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: HotRodVon on September 21, 2010, 08:01:37 PM
Congrats to the Nish family on the 400 mark!!!  I have watched their efforts and hope it really pays off this time. 
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Freud on September 21, 2010, 08:02:00 PM
Is it possible to built in "cushion" in a traction control system?

FREUD
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 21, 2010, 08:02:16 PM
Jamie is moving his bike into position.  Still in the pits -- will run from here towards the mountains.

Moving -- nothing from the tower yet.

ON the course, by the one mile, shifting into high gear now.

Through the two, moving up the course.  Past the three, entering the timed stretch.

Entry speed   184.5   kilo   184.9  exit  182.6

Wrong tuneup!

No, not wrong tuneup -- just forgot to open the nitrous valve (it has been admitted by the team).
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: thefrenchowl on September 21, 2010, 08:04:13 PM
 :-D  :-o

Good luck to you all from Great Britain!!!

Patrick

Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Freud on September 21, 2010, 08:04:54 PM
Attendance had dropped off to only 99  viewers.

Sometime we leave the movie before it's over.

FREUD
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: jl222 on September 21, 2010, 08:05:31 PM
  
  400 MPH + and UNBLOWN = AWESOME  :-o congrats on record Spirit Of Rett and over 400 Nish :cheers:

     Langlo Racing

Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Freud on September 21, 2010, 08:11:49 PM
What's the relationship between the Bonneville 200 MPH Club and a motorcycle record above 200 MPH certified by the FIM?

I know A.J. Foyt got a Red Hat on private time, in a car.......'long time ago.

FREUD
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Glen on September 21, 2010, 08:17:55 PM
There is probably a class difference in the motorcycles.

Foyt is an honorary member as I recall, it was done on a oval. Bob Unser did it in a roadster on the salt.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 21, 2010, 08:18:29 PM
I'm not going to post what I think I know, but I know that it isn't just for Bonneville SCTA/USFRA events.

Rider is about to start his run. 

Entry speed is 200.166,   kilo speed is 200.9,  mile  200.7   exit speed not given yet.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: jl222 on September 21, 2010, 08:18:59 PM
  Slim... really appreciate the blow by blow reporting and pics. :cheers:

  It seems the cars and speeds are suffering from a rough course, do they attempt to grade it any better at night?

                     JL222
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 21, 2010, 08:23:01 PM
I think they're dragging at night.  Speeds again for Jamie Williams:

Entry speed 200.1,  kilo  200.9,   mile  200.7,  exit is 201.0  That's a qualifier, I do believe.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: RayTheRat on September 21, 2010, 08:28:26 PM
The Speed Demon is flying to and from California to try to get parts to repair the damage to the rear end.


Slim,

Ask about the 9" Ford rearend they had made for the car? Will they put that in if they cannot get parts for the Quickchange?

Thanks,

Tom G.

Ya mean the one in the first foto?  Steve's working on it, but as has been stated, Russ and another guy (didn't get the name) are driving to San Pedro to have Ferguson rebuild/fix/replace/whatever the quickchange.  

Second foto is the torn-up driveshaft.  I guess when one part sops rotating abruptly, something's gotta give....I think you can see part of what it was.

Oh, yeah...it left a few bits and pieces shown in the 3rd foto.  They're building an impressive offering to the gods of speed.

Last foto shows the gussets being welded in where the driveshaft chipped the frame tubes.

I dunno if they're gonna try the Currie housing with the 9"...I didn't get a clear answer.  I guess we'll find out later.  They just pit the skins back on the Demo and are closing up shop for the nite.

Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Freud on September 21, 2010, 08:32:03 PM
   Quote:    That's a qualifier, I do believe.

Jon, please explain a "qualifier."

I thought a record was the average of two runs over the same piece of earth.

If u went in slow, you had to back it up with a huge number.

How does "qualifying" enter into it?

FREUD

Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 21, 2010, 08:40:39 PM
Yeah, I guess you're right.  I meant it like this:  They know about what the bike can run under present conditions, and also the likelihood that the bike can go fast enough on a "return" run to make the average speed higher than the existing record speed.  You're right in that it's not like Speedweek or WoS - that the "down" run has to be faster than the exiting record.  That's the "normal" meaning of "qualifier", not the meaning for an FIM record.  I used the word loosely to imply something -- will be more careful in the future.  Thanks for the gentle reprimand.

Whatever -- he's still in the pit but will run pretty soon.  I can't define "pretty" -- but hey, he just fired up the motor.

Now the engine is off and they're looking into the top of the bike.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: desotoman on September 21, 2010, 08:41:15 PM
The Speed Demon is flying to and from California to try to get parts to repair the damage to the rear end.


Slim,

Ask about the 9" Ford rearend they had made for the car? Will they put that in if they cannot get parts for the Quickchange?

Thanks,

Tom G.

Ya mean the one in the first foto? 



Ray,

That is the one I was talking about.

Thanks,

Tom G.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Ro Yale on September 21, 2010, 08:43:18 PM
YEA! Congrats to the Nish team. These guys have helped us out several times. Really glad to see ya'll running FAST!
Ro Yale w/Contrivance Engineering team.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: RayTheRat on September 21, 2010, 08:47:37 PM
I just caught this foto.  It's the Spectre (not Spectrum as some folks keep saying on the radios) liner getting a bit of a push with some interesting-lookin cardboard over the front wheels.  I think they've added weight to add stability.

The sit-on bike is just ready to run...there wer questions about unidentified people on the course.  It's been an interesting day.

They're gonna lauch the bike.

Bike just ran.  They've made 4 runs in the 2 hour limit, they are not sure which runs they are gonna use...but it doesn't matter now, they just called it quits for the day with the bike.

No weight was added to the Spectre.  The cardboard is "fenders."  They just made some adjustments to the front end and are doing a quick push-only test to check it out.  With that, we're done for the day. 

Poteet & Main have left, Nearburg is doing a video shoot, Nish will try again in the morning.  I dunno about Jet Bike mike or Ack.  If I forgot anyone, it's only cuz I'm exhausted.  But there's no work being done in the pits at the moment.



Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 21, 2010, 08:48:41 PM
Williams is making his second run just now.  Obviously on it -- and I think I heard the exhaust tone change as he pushed the nitrous button.  

Through the four mile.

Entry 191   kilo   197   mile   196  

Gotta go take photos at the Nearburg pit -- will get the final number later.  Cook has released the fire and ambulance -- maybe.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: racefanwfo on September 21, 2010, 08:49:39 PM
whats going on with the jet bike.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: desotoman on September 21, 2010, 08:49:52 PM
Is it possible to built in "cushion" in a traction control system?

FREUD

(http://www.emoticons4u.com/fingers/fing10.gif)

Great question.

Tom G.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: John Noonan on September 21, 2010, 08:50:10 PM
A record however not a 200 record...come on Jamie whateveryournameis..   :cheers:
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Cleveland Carrie on September 21, 2010, 09:15:45 PM
Hey all, just checking in on Mike Charlton.  Any news yet?
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: sockjohn on September 21, 2010, 09:25:51 PM
 
  400 MPH + and UNBLOWN = AWESOME  :-o congrats on record Spirit Of Rett and over 400 Nish :cheers:

     Langlo Racing



People are starting to make 400 mph look easy!   :cheers:

Small write about Spirit of Rett

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/092210dnbusNearburg.11705dcf8.html
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: RayTheRat on September 21, 2010, 09:28:42 PM
Hey all, just checking in on Mike Charlton.  Any news yet?

Well, I just posted stating that didn't know.  Reason I don't know is that he's not around.  See photo of his pits.  Had he been there, I would have found out for you.

Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: racer on September 21, 2010, 09:34:33 PM
Thanks and Congratulations to each and everyone of you on the salt, the photos and reporting are excellent. Spent all afternoon away from the computer, had a difficult time concentrating on the task at hand, kept wandering back to the salts and the action at hand.
Quite a show at twice the price. Thanks again.
Fast and Safe!
Racer
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: lvsalt on September 21, 2010, 09:43:57 PM
Congrats to Rett and Nish :cheers: :cheers: oh yeah i think we will here more from Poteet and Main. :-D
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Kansas Bad Man on September 21, 2010, 09:58:21 PM
We set a record at the World of Speed.  Stainless and I and his friend Bark decided to stay over a couple of days to watch the Shootout.  I was more interested in the Mike Akatiff liner and the Mike Charlton jet bike.  Rocky made two runs today.  I talked to Rocky after the first run, and he said the liner was pulling to the right, he thought it might be wind, but it wasn't.  After the run they decided that it was the rear chute doors.  When they received the aerodynamics report, they had adjusted the rear doors to an inch and a half opening.  They felt that this hadn't worked, and readjusted the rear doors to a knife edge as originally designed.  They then taped some aerodynamic improvement things onto each side of the parachute doors.  Then they turned the bike around and made another pass.  No improvement.  The last I heard they took the bike back to the pits.  It's hearsay that they are removing the doors.  They're planning to make an early morning run.  Rocky says that the bike has more power than it ever has before, and if they solve the handling the record is in sight.

Now for the Mike Charlton jet bike.  The first day was eaten up with problems with the fuel pressure to the gas tank.  Mike tried to start the bike several times, but due to low pressure it never really started running like it should.  The fuel pressure problem was solved, and then there was starter problems.  They disassembled and cleaned the starter, and determined that the 24 volt battery pack was not doing it's thing.  I offered mike my batteries and my battery charger, which has a 200 amp starting circuit.  The jet bike was on the trailer.  I told Mike to follow me to the Red Garder.  My trailer was parked alongside Stainless' trailer.  We hooked up my starting batteries, and with my 200 amp booster circuit, and with his generator mounted on the front of his trailer, providing power to my battery charger, the generator was able to spin the jet engine fast enough to turn the fuel on and hit the ignition switch for a clean start.  So he'll more than likely be able to make a run tomorrow morning.  

                                       Max
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: John Noonan on September 21, 2010, 10:02:48 PM
Max,

Thanks for the info.. :cheers:
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: landracing on September 21, 2010, 10:04:53 PM
Thanks for the investigative reporting Max, I was wondering about what those two were up to.

I think Mike Ack has been trying real hard to make those doors work, but each time they have run with them they have caused issues. They remove them and the bike runs real fast.

Ray the Rats picture of the liner on course shows it is leaned over pretty good at speed.

I hope the Jet Bike goes in the morning, I think it will be very interesting to see it scoot down the course.

Thanks Max, I hope you are having a good time, it is sometimes nice to see stuff go down the course instead of thrashing all week. Enjoy it my friend you deserve it.

JonAmo
 
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Richard 2 on September 21, 2010, 10:07:45 PM
That a boy Nish and crew. Hope she's got some more in her.
 GOOD LUCK From the 242  2-Richard's Racing Team
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: jl222 on September 21, 2010, 10:41:35 PM
 
  400 MPH + and UNBLOWN = AWESOME  :-o congrats on record Spirit Of Rett and over 400 Nish :cheers:

     Langlo Racing



People are starting to make 400 mph look easy!   :cheers:

Small write about Spirit of Rett

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/092210dnbusNearburg.11705dcf8.html

  It might look easy to you and the moe money you have the easier it is but even then its sure as hell ain't easy :roll:


                     JL222
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Jonny Hotnuts on September 21, 2010, 11:21:50 PM
Nish

-bout time you made 400, what took you so long?

Nothing but love guys and congrats, I have been keeping my fingers crossed for you guys for a long time.

Now on to 425 with ya!

~JH

Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 21, 2010, 11:24:36 PM
At the end of the day Mike Cook asked me to take a few photos.  First -- him signing some of the certificates for the Nearburg car's record, and also that shot of the surveyor's certificate.  There's no questioning the validity of this event:

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Father and son -- co-workers at the Cook top Speed Shootout.  Two photos -- take your pick:

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A bunch of photos of the Nearburg car and team and the video crew and Charles being given the certificates and handshakes from Dave Petrali, USAC representative, and signing the Loctite sign and shaking hands with everyone in sight and Nancy holding the big Loctite sign and Nancy and me and Charles in a photo for our souvenir display, and probably more photos, too.

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And one last photo for the Loctite archive.  Nice shot of a fast car, too.

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Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Dean Los Angeles on September 22, 2010, 12:38:49 AM
Two incredible earth shattering days of racing.
Monday
7:09NishShut off at two
8:23NishShut down - rough course
8:59Speed DemonKilo 413.526, mile 413.537,  exit 422
9:39Speed DemonEntry speed 339, mile 324 - turbo destroyed
9:48Speed DemonRecord - Kilo  363.847,  mile 363.673
10:02NishEngine off, coasting through the two mile - MSD box too hot
3:35Speed DemonEntry 419, kilo 417.430, mile 415
3:46Speed DemonNo return run turbo gone again
4:21SpectreFull course run, no speed - lost a hose, alternator wire came off
4:29Nish154, exit 140 - lost a hose
5:40NishCar wouldn't shift
Tuesday
6:34Spirit of RettEntry 410, kilo 417.023, mile 416.903, exit 422
7:09Spirit of RettEntry 405, kilo 411.8,   mile 411.6, exit 417.6
7:15Spirit of RettRecord - Kilo  414.477,  mile 414.316
8:05Ack Attack292 mph.   exit speed 307
10:13Speed DemonNA motor, 208, Drive line/u-joint failure
10:47Ack AttackEntry 287
1:01Jamie WagnerEntry 193.9, kilo 196.3, mile 195.8, exit 196.1
1:18Jamie WagnerEntry 192.9, kilo 194, mile, 195.9, exit  202.48
1:29SpectreEntry 384, kilo 390.4, mile 390.3,  exit  396.2
1:43NishEntry 399, mile 404
3:25NishEntry 395.2,  kilo 400.2, mile  400.1, exit 404.5
4:12WilliamsEntry 194.8,  kilo 199.731, mile 199.186, exit  201.8
4:34WilliamsEntry 195.5, kilo 197.2,  mile 198.3, exit 204.8
5:02WilliamsEntry 184.5, kilo 184.9,  exit  182.6 - nitrous not open
5:23WilliamsEntry 200.1, kilo 200.9, mile, 200.7, exit 201.0
5:48WilliamsEntry 191, kilo 197, mile 196
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: wobblywalrus on September 22, 2010, 12:40:31 AM
JonAmo, thanks for answering my questions about engine swaps.  SSS, I stay up all night working on LSR things and no one else should do this.  Things get finished when I do this, although it is bad for the health.  Just asking someone the next day what they did during the night before was what I was implying.  Your coverage is appreciated.  It gets better each year.  

Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: ls7gto on September 22, 2010, 07:24:05 AM
congrats to the  entire Spirit of  Rett team. 

good  luck to everybody, go  fast  , be safe !

thanks SSS
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: guttley782 on September 22, 2010, 08:08:12 AM
I would like to add my congratulations to Terry and his team on their achievement. Also Charles and his team, what a result! With Ron and George also running over 400 this week, I hope one, or all, of them hits a big number before the end! Thnaks to Jon, Ray and the rest for their fantastic postings to keep all us information freaks happy!
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: DahMurf on September 22, 2010, 08:08:45 AM
Thanks for the awesome 2 wheel update Max! (congrats again on your record!)

Great pics SSS!

Love the summary Dean, thanks!

ok, time to get up kiddies, it's 8am EST! cockadoodledoooo..... we have racing to do! (having withdrawls already!) 

:evil:

Good luck today everyone! :cheers: Especially our 2 wheeled friends!
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 22, 2010, 09:33:27 AM
We're here, we're here.  I'd have typed a howdy earlier - but our sleep last night was interrupted by an interesting ROAR from the parking lot of the motel next to us last night.  Sure enough -- a familiar deep throbbing rumble, then a WHOOOOSSHHH -- and then bright lights!  Yep -- Mike Charlton lit off the jet motor in the  parking lot of the Knight's Inn.  Big surprise?  Yes -- and bigger still surprise was that the police didn't show up to try to dissaude him from doing it again.

So here we are, and the Ack bike is warming the motors over in their pit.  Nearburg is going to go home today, Spectre is cleaning the bodywork of the car and going to run this morning, and Nish team is in their pit working, working.  No word on what the day's plans are for Speed Demon -- other than what we knew yesterday.

That's that.  Gotta go take a few more sunrise photos.  Stay tuned, boys and girls.

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And now that that's done, it must be another big day in the works -- the helicopter from the film crew is flying laps around the pits.  Dang noisy thing. . .
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: High Gear on September 22, 2010, 09:42:51 AM
Slim,

My sincere thanks to you, Ray and all the others for keeping us on the salt (in spirit).

Gary
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: k.h. on September 22, 2010, 10:02:55 AM
Yesterday was historically significant.  Can't wait for today's racing.  Best site on the web, this is!
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: ol38y on September 22, 2010, 10:16:22 AM
Superb reporting SSS & RTR. Another day coming that I won't get much done. I can't wait... :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: mkilger on September 22, 2010, 10:21:55 AM
they need to space out these events a bit so I can get something done on the roadster, last week WOS and now Cooks but history was made yesterday thanks to Mike Cook and Slim we all got to see it almost like being there.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 22, 2010, 10:26:35 AM
Here's your morning's second update.  Mike Akatiff and the bike are at the south end of the course.  They have been advised that the wind is cycling, on a 20-minute period, from zero to about 5 mph headwind northeast - to - southwest.  Akatiff will wait to see what develops -- but the bike is ready to run.  They were here 'til about 12.30 last night.

Nish team is running the engine in the pit, which is upwind from our location.  Ah, nice aroma -- nothing like 10% on top of methanol to get the nose working first thing in the mornig, hey?

Spectre is working on the car right next to us.  Will run soon -- no idea of just when.

Ron Main reports that the rear end got all-night-long driven to the Ferguson shop.  When Fergusons got there this morning they found the two crew guys sleeping in the truck, in the lot, and as of right now the parts are on the "operating table".  They'll fix the part, pack it on ice for the long ride so it'll be in prime condition for the "transplant" later today.  (Disclaimer:  Those are Main's terms, not mine.  I'm only the reporter here).  Anyway, the Speed Demon is certainly not down for the count at the Top Speed Shootout 2010.

And that's that for now.  Nobody running in the next half hour.  Get some work done so your bosses doesn't get Plymouthed at you later when you're watching this website later on today.

New news:  Nish just pulled the car towards the far end.  Gonna make a run soon, I guess.  No time forecast yet.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: rlague on September 22, 2010, 10:42:16 AM
thanks for the great work sss and Ray the Rat.  The IGNITION3 film crew is headed up today and I leave in the AM by air.....can't wait to join you guys on the salt.....

Keep up the great reporting.....Go Team Ack!!
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Freud on September 22, 2010, 10:44:39 AM
IGNITION3    Did u receive The Real Deal?

FREUD
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 22, 2010, 10:48:35 AM
Here are a few photos from RtR -- including the turbo and the "new" Currie 9" rear end for the Speed Demon.

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Yeah, I know -- we all enjoy taking sunrise photos out here.  It's so easy, too. . .

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Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: rlague on September 22, 2010, 10:51:50 AM
real deal???  freud
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 22, 2010, 10:52:08 AM
The Nish team is in position at the far end of the course, and Mike is getting suited up and preparing to make a run.  From that radioed information I'll guess they'll be running in fifteen minutes or so.

It must be fifteen minutes, 'cause Mike is in the car and they're starting the motor.  The pits and the rest of the course are all on "lockdown" -- which is what term we're using to mean that nobody's allowed to roam around.  

Car is moving.

Car is off the push truck and under power.

Through the zero and gaining speed,  through the one mile mark,  by the two, still accelerating by the three and sounding strong.

Entry speed 401   kilo 407   mile  407

High speed chute might have come out early -- around the 5 1/2   engine off, coasting

Car is in the pit.

Entry 401   kilo  407.1   mile  407.0  exit  412.5   

BEST RUN YET!  They've got about 55 minutes to turn around -- if they choose to do so.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Freud on September 22, 2010, 11:02:34 AM
Dick, check yr e-mail

FREUD
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Glen on September 22, 2010, 11:03:15 AM
Getting better each run.Go for it.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 22, 2010, 11:08:08 AM
Glen, I see you got a post in after my last refresh, so --

Nish car speeds:


Entry  401   kilo   407.1  mile  407.0   exit  412.5  

Best run.  The car is off and in the pits, they've got about 52 minutes left to turn around and get it back to the north end.

New word is that they might not try a turnaround run.  Don't have definite word yet.  They also might make a northbound run to get more tuneup information, then use that to head towards the pits again.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 22, 2010, 11:16:35 AM
Here's the newest:

Nish team will be making a "return" run, and if that one is good enough -- they'll service at the far end and then turnaround up there and then wave off this first one, just now completed.  Got that?
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: DallasV on September 22, 2010, 11:16:57 AM
they would need a 429-430 run to get the 414 + 1% with their 407 (about 418 with the 1%)
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Richard 2 on September 22, 2010, 11:21:46 AM
This is worse than my wife's soap opra's. I can't get away from it.
Go Nish GO
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 22, 2010, 11:25:21 AM
Nish team has 37 minutes remaining to complete a return run.

Okay, they've fired the engine and are preparing to put the car at the start line.  I see blue smoke as they run the engine -- looks like oil smoke.  I know there was a puff of blue when Mike shut off the engine rolling into the pit at the end of the last run.  Lotsa smoke as he blips the throttle -- but still going to make the return run.  The run will be from highway to the mountain.  Partly cloudy skies, low 60s temp, 5-8 mph highway-to-mountain winds here in the pits.

Over in the Heads Up pit they're running a bike engine.  Don't have any word on their plans for the day.  After the Nish car runs I'll wander and get a story for you.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Jimbo on September 22, 2010, 11:35:09 AM
Hey SSS why does Ur clock say 5:37 PM on Ur post :?
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 22, 2010, 11:37:15 AM
Hunh?  First things first -- Nish has 26 minutes left before the window closes on this attempt.

Second == it doesn't say 5.37 or whatever on my screen -- maybe it's reading form your 'puter's clock.  My screen gives time off my internal clock which is set to Eastern time.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Glen on September 22, 2010, 11:38:53 AM
It's correct down here in southern Utah. :-D
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 22, 2010, 11:39:50 AM
Nish engine is running and the car is being pushed out of the pit and into position at the highway end of the track.

DANG -- Mike got it a little sideways at the quarter mile mark.  Hauling the mail hard!

Entry speed   387   kilo   393   mile  393   exit  398  chute out
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: landracing on September 22, 2010, 11:41:54 AM
I told you I would eat my words from earlier posts...

Go getem Nish....

JonAmo
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 22, 2010, 11:44:19 AM
Slowing okay, under control.  Too bad about the "poor" run -- might be a pinched ring or something -- that blue smoke might have been a bad sign.

Still -- decent, hey?

Repeat on the speeds:   entry  387.7    kilo  393.4   mile  393 2   exit  398.0

Speed Demon crew has just been notified that break is over -- parts have arrived.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: sabat on September 22, 2010, 11:45:01 AM
I told you I would eat my words from earlier posts...

Go getem Nish....

JonAmo


LOL!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: sabat on September 22, 2010, 11:45:27 AM
Great reporting, thanks  :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: racer on September 22, 2010, 11:47:50 AM
Headed to the shop to prepare for the Mojave Mile this week end.
Good luck to all of you on the salt.
Go Rocky, GO!
FAST AND SAFE!
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: joea on September 22, 2010, 11:49:15 AM
...since the Nearburg record is NOT official in FIA terms until ratified......can Nish
simply surpass the still existing 409 record....

is Heads up team running both one blown class bike and one Mps-F bike...?..and are
both 1350..
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 22, 2010, 12:00:13 PM
Joe, the bike that Jamie rode yesterday was labeled M/PS/F 1650 and was a nitrous bike.  The other one is naked and has a turbo.  I don't know what size motor.

I don't know about the record not yet being "ratified" and therefore all Nish would have to do is better the Summers record.

Right now Rocky is riding down the course in a car, taking a course ride to see what's what.  Nish is at the far end - no word on what they're going to do.  Ack is ready to run based on what Rocky sees on the survey.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: DahMurf on September 22, 2010, 12:01:28 PM
Hey SSS why does Ur clock say 5:37 PM on Ur post :?

You need to adjust your forum time settings as follows:
Click on the Profile tab up top.
On the left side under Modify Profile click on Look and Layout Preferences
Adjust time format until it's right then click Change Profile on the bottom.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: 1212FBGS on September 22, 2010, 12:02:36 PM
Slim are you gonna call him "Williams" instead of " Wagner" all day again today?
Kent
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: DahMurf on September 22, 2010, 12:05:34 PM
Slim are you gonna call him "Williams" instead of " Wagner" all day again today?
Kent

According to what I can find Jamie "Williams" owns the bike number being run. Are you sure you are correct?
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 22, 2010, 12:05:45 PM
Yes.  I thought we cleared up the question == his name is Jamie Williams.  Did I farkle that again?
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: John Noonan on September 22, 2010, 12:05:52 PM
It is Williams, Wagner is in California.. :cheers:
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 22, 2010, 12:08:38 PM
Nish car is on the trailer and will return to the pits.  Rocky still driving the course and is heading back here -- wind is favorable so he might decide to make a run.

There's no hiding from the world out here -- Rocky is cruising the course to check it out -- just got "nailed" by the timing tower as going 104 mph through the timed stretch.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: pookie on September 22, 2010, 12:24:02 PM
   Hi Jon, another great job on your reporting and pictures!!!!! OUTSTANDING!!!! Would it be possible for you to get more information on the Spectre car, with pictures of the engine and drive set up.? Maybe a little info about the owner, where is the cars home located and a little about Amir.... Again thank you for all your effort and the money you have invested to give us the latest info.....   Mike R.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 22, 2010, 12:29:43 PM
Ack Attack bike is getting ready to run.  Rocky is getting dressed, bike engines have been warmed, maybe 5-10 minutes 'til they're ready to make an attempt.

Scott Horner and Jamie WILLIAMS have two bikes here.  The nitrous bike is a 1397 motor, the turbo bike is a 1363.  

Pookie, I'll get Ken Rappaport, a member of the Spectre team, to come over here later to give me some background for you.  Thanks for asking.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: JoshH on September 22, 2010, 12:32:42 PM
Mike -

The Spectre blog contains much of the information that you’re asking about - http://spectreperformance.com/blog/

There are several pages containing videos and pictures. At the bottom of each page click older entries. This page has good technical info from World Finals last year - http://spectreperformance.com/blog/page/5/

Josh
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: joea on September 22, 2010, 12:33:18 PM
..sss ask Horner if the nitrous valve has been opened at all yet...?...

modification:....please tell him joe said counterclockwise is "on"....
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 22, 2010, 12:36:40 PM
No, Joe, I think I'll let YOU ask him -- I like my jaw set the way it is.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 22, 2010, 12:37:57 PM
Mike A. reports they're starting the engines and about to make a run.  I hear one going right now.

Canopy is down.  Ack in the push truck.  I'm outa the seat to take a photo.

Bike is on the course.  Going through the gears.  Fire truck just caught an SUV down the course.  Rocky just put the skids down -- engines are off.

No idea of what's going on in the cluster-Ford.  Stay tuned.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: DahMurf on September 22, 2010, 12:38:26 PM
oh come on now, I don't think he'd hit you. Tell him the girls want to know too!  :-P
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Dean Los Angeles on September 22, 2010, 12:44:06 PM
Quote
please tell him joe said counterclockwise is "on"

Come on Joe! LSR guys need simplicity to understand it.

Tell him righty tightey, lefty loosey.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: joea on September 22, 2010, 12:51:54 PM
sss...Ack Attack rear chute doors on or off.....for this run..?.....
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: pookie on September 22, 2010, 12:58:16 PM
  Hey Josh, thank you for the info.. It is appreciated very much.......Mike R.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 22, 2010, 12:59:21 PM
Didn't get photos 'til he went past on the truck -- don't know if these will answer your query, Joe.  Once the bike gets back to the pits I'll get correct information.

(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202010/IMG_2612.jpg)
(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202010/IMG_2613.jpg)

There -- issat better?

Jamie Williams (he just reassured me that he wants to use the "Williams" moniker all day today) is on the bike and will run from the 2 to the 9 in a few minutes.  We're locked down for that run.  He's running the engine and rolling to the course.  Bike 968, the M/PS/F 1697 nitrous bike.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 22, 2010, 01:02:15 PM
Jamie is on his run right now.  Entry speed for you in a moment.

Entry speed  211.0   kilo   211.99   mile  211.5   exit 210

Yeah, that's better!
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: John Noonan on September 22, 2010, 01:06:21 PM
Looks like the doors are off Joe
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 22, 2010, 01:11:13 PM
And yet -- Jamie has some oil dripping out of the bottom of the bike -- even though he put down a stout number, he might not be able to run back.  More to follow - -
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: k.h. on September 22, 2010, 01:12:21 PM
Dang. 
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: John Noonan on September 22, 2010, 01:15:50 PM
What does WILLIAMS need for a Red hat, the record in the book for SCTA shows 214.033 however I am not sure if that was beaten this year... I wonder what average is needed for the hat or is he just going for the fim thingy...?
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: DahMurf on September 22, 2010, 01:17:22 PM
I'm lost in the alphabet soup. He's running in FIM class? What's the existing record? Did you post the FIM stuff or just the FIA?

Noonan, slim said 1697 didn't he? That would be 2000 class, 225+ no?
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: John Noonan on September 22, 2010, 01:17:26 PM
Hopefully it is just a little blow by and not a rod hanging out..  :-o
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: John Noonan on September 22, 2010, 01:18:05 PM
I'm lost in the alphabet soup. He's running in FIM class? What's the existing record? Did you post the FIM stuff or just the FIA?

Noonan, slim said 1697 didn't he? That would be 2000 class, 225+ no?

Yep Deb he did however he is confuzzled...
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: DahMurf on September 22, 2010, 01:24:50 PM
I'm lost in the alphabet soup. He's running in FIM class? What's the existing record? Did you post the FIM stuff or just the FIA?

Noonan, slim said 1697 didn't he? That would be 2000 class, 225+ no?

Yep Deb he did however he is confuzzled...

ok. I think only the APS/F-1350 got bumped this year so far. So how does that work. Is he able to run on an SCTA record (214.033) & up it for a hat? Is SCTA overseeing as well as FIM. (Is Cook good for SCTA?)

...learn the game, learn the players!  :-)
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: DahMurf on September 22, 2010, 01:27:06 PM
Scott Horner and Jamie WILLIAMS have two bikes here.  The nitrous bike is a 1397 motor, the turbo bike is a 1363.  

ok found it:
1397 = 1650 class
1363 = 1650 class

:)
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: John Noonan on September 22, 2010, 01:28:20 PM
He cant run on the SCTA records at this meet however the Red hat can be awarded if the Bonneville 2 club minimum or record speed/average is met I believe.. :?
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: landracing on September 22, 2010, 01:28:53 PM
SCTA has NOTHING to do with handing out the RED HATS.  

SCTA does not even play a part in the event they are at. FIM ONLY. (or FIA)

The 200 MPH Club at this event gives out a hat by breaking a World Record, which must be over any minimum speed that the 200 MPH CLUB has on file OR breaking a record at an event on the Salt Flats which is goverened by an AUTHORIZED SANTIONING BODY..... FIM.... (FIA)

JonAmo
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: John Noonan on September 22, 2010, 01:31:55 PM
If the Turbo bike is running with fairings it would run on my Bonneville fim record of 252 I think?

Any news on the Nitrous bike condition?

Thanks Slim.. :cheers:

Sounds like I was on par regarding the hats then?  However can he get a Red hat for setting a world record at say 200.00 mph even if it is much slower than the SCTA club record?
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 22, 2010, 01:33:06 PM
Yeah -- I meant 1397 and 1363.    Read what I mean, not what I say, unless the two are the same.

No word yet on if Jamie will make a return run.  He's waiting and the 2-hour clock is running.  Spectre is about to tow to the far end to get ready for a run -- know that Jamie is on the clock and might decide to run at any time.

I talked with Terry Nish.  The water pump on the engine is belt-driven, and the belt came off on the return run and the engine got warm -- Mike reported the car nosed over a bit.  So -- that engine is the big one but has lots of runs on it - so they're going to take it out before trying another run and maybe hurting lots of stuff.  As Terry said: "That engine isn't a cheap date" -- so they'll let discretion be the better part of valor and swap it out.

They brought a 300-inch motor with them 'cause there's a late-90's class 9 record (Terry thinks that's the class) that's available (don't know the speed), so they're going to pull the big motor and put the little one in the car now.  

Post, then more.

In Spectre news, the car is California-based.  Amir's business is there (I lost track -- too many towns in that state) and near the water and the boating industry that's a big source of customers for him.  The engine is a 1973 528.5" Cadillac iron engine, twin turbos, cast iron crank, race gas, something in the neighborhood of 2,000 horsepower.  Fuel injection, front tires in line with one another.

This is the second year the team has run the car -- about 14 runs total.  The first year of competition both Kenny Hoover and Amir got their Blue 300 MPH Chapter hats.

No further word about the Jamie Williams bike.  The 2 hour clock continues to grind down the time.

The jet bike is back here on the salt -- started the motor once - sounded just about like it did last night in the motel parking lot.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: landracing on September 22, 2010, 01:39:01 PM
If the Turbo bike is running with fairings it would run on my Bonneville fim record of 252 I think?

Any news on the Nitrous bike condition?

Thanks Slim.. :cheers:

Sounds like I was on par regarding the hats then?  However can he get a Red hat for setting a world record at say 200.00 mph even if it is much slower than the SCTA club record?

That would only be correct, ONLY if the 200 MPH Club does not have a Minimum in the class, sometimes the minimums are current record holders speeds.

JonAmo
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Dean Los Angeles on September 22, 2010, 01:39:59 PM
Spirit of Rett - going home
Nish - big motor and big speeds done
Spectre - only run 1:00 yesterday
Speed Demon - still thrashing and won't run today.

Is the show over for today?
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: 4-barrel Mike on September 22, 2010, 01:43:04 PM
Am I reading this correctly http://bonneville200mph.org/images/2009bonneville200%20mphclubmcrecords.pdf (http://bonneville200mph.org/images/2009bonneville200%20mphclubmcrecords.pdf) ??

1650 MPS-F Bob Moreland Suzuki 214.033 2002

Mike
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 22, 2010, 01:48:06 PM
Spectre is on the way to the far end for a run, so don't go too far away from the computer.  The Ack bike may well run -- but I guess they hurt something  on that aborted pass an hour ago.  The course is being swept very carefully -- Rocky might have discovered a piece of metal buried in the mud/salt.  Jamie Williams still sitting at the far end and I expect Scott Hornet is there doing the heavy thinking with Jamie.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: John Noonan on September 22, 2010, 01:49:28 PM
Mike..that is correct..
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: DahMurf on September 22, 2010, 01:56:50 PM
Scott Hornet.. giggle giggle... you must be thinking of him in his yellow leathers!

OK, so If I have this straight (yeah that whole SCTA link hit me on my way to pick up my sandwich) If he runs a set of 215's and that turns out to be faster then what ever the current FIM record is for his class then he'll get the FIM record & a hat, the 200 club minimum in the corresponding class (assuming there is one) will get bumped but it will correlate to an FIM record not an SCTA record as we're accustomed to seeing.

Do I have it?
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: landracing on September 22, 2010, 02:04:25 PM
Deb,
I think you got it... If he sets a new record in the FIM Class and its above the record and/or minimum listed on the 200 MPH Club website then the new minimum would be his record, however,

THERE IS A PROBLEM.

There must be a 200 mph representative there to help classify the bike according to what the 200 MPH Club classifies the bike. The rules are sometimes not interchangable. Specifically linked to gas or fuel. Since FIM doesn't care, then it should automatically go in the FUEL class for the 200 mph club since we cannot check the legality of the gas/fuel. There are other technicalities in regards to classifying the bike.

It's kinda a mess if you really think about it.

You have a handle on it Deb, but I really think we need to let a 200 mph Club Board member or the 200 mph club Motorcycle advisor comment on their stance.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 22, 2010, 02:07:12 PM
Ya ready for this?  For a red hat for Jamie he'll have to exceed the record/the minimum for the 200 MPH class that corresponds to the FIM classification system.  In this case:

The bike Jamie is on is a 1397 fuel but not blown bike.  FIM classification is the bike is liquid fueled (no difference 'tween gas and nitrous or whatever, as long as there's no blower of any kind).  The FIM displacement class breaks  are (approximately) 1350 cc and 2000 cc  -- but there's no break in between.  So -- Jamie is bringing a small butter knife to this fight, since he's running against a pretty high number, running against bikes up to 2k displacement.  I don't have the 2 Club minimums handy (don't want to go too far from this site), but now you know the story from an un-named local 2 Club person.

And Jon Amo -- you bring up a point I didn't discuss just now and don't have that little bit of information.  For sure - Jamie is running in what you and I and the SCTA would call a fuel class.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: jimmy six on September 22, 2010, 02:08:21 PM
Does MPS-F mean anything to FIM? . . . . . . Just curious.

When I was on the Bonneville 200 MPH Club Board there was a discussion about a vehicle at a private meet setting a record in a class which was not recognized by any of the "normal" sanctioning bodies. The driver of the vehicle in question never asked for entry into the Club and the BOD took no action. The club recognizes accomplishments on the Bonneville Salt Flats it is in their charter found on their Web page. Andy Green was recognized for his accompliments at Black Mountain by being an associate member. When he set the record in the Diesel Streamliner during a SpeedWeek meet at the 2 Club banquet he was proud to say he was now a true member.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: RichFox on September 22, 2010, 02:08:50 PM
The Spectre 'liner has been covered extensively in the San Jose Mercury News both before and after Speedweek. This makes me think it's from somewhere around San Jose.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 22, 2010, 02:10:03 PM
JD, you're right about the FIM not having "Modified" or "Altered"in their classes -- this bike would be simply "partially streamlined".

The Williams bike is "fixed" and back on the transporter trailer, heading to the point where they'll start a return attempt.  There are 50 minutes remaining in the two-hour window of opportunity (my phrase).
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: DahMurf on September 22, 2010, 02:19:32 PM
Have we figure out what FIM class William's is running & what the record is? (I'm still trying to find the listings I know where available once upon a time)

So why does Bub not count towards a red hat. Is it because they don't have a Bonneville 200 club official on site? Is that why they do their own club or do they just not want to have any affiliation or vice versa?

Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: k.h. on September 22, 2010, 02:28:17 PM
I believe they have there own red hat program.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 22, 2010, 02:33:49 PM
Jamie is on the track and heading this way.  Entering the timed stretch.

Entry 202  kilo  200.4  mile 200.7 
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: landracing on September 22, 2010, 02:34:36 PM
Don't qoute me on this but the club decided that they would not accept a ama record. But they would accept a fim only.   I don't think this is proper thread to discuss this debate.  Search archives on this discussed in depth.  


Jonamo
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: JoshH on September 22, 2010, 02:38:23 PM
The Spectre 'liner has been covered extensively in the San Jose Mercury News both before and after Speedweek. This makes me think it's from somewhere around San Jose.

During the racing season the Spectre Streamliner is based out of Performance Fabrication in San Carlos, CA. San Carlos is also the home of the Mcdonald/Pitts Firebird which was also built by Steve the owner of Performance Fabrication. The Hoffman/Markly streamliner which still owns some of the records that Speed Demon is eyeing was also born in San Carlos.

During the off season the car travels the car show circuit for Spectre, which is based in Ontario, CA. You can find Spectre products in just about any auto parts store - head to the performance isle and you’ll find them there. High quality stuff that Amir developed to appeal to the masses.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: k.h. on September 22, 2010, 02:39:08 PM
Just a little "filler" between our diligent correspondents doing their front line reports.  Are SSS & Nancy going to be at WF?
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 22, 2010, 02:55:35 PM
First things first -- the Spectre is at the 12 mile and they're icing the intercooler for a run in the next little while.  The support vehicles are heading back to the pits.

Next -- Nancy and I fly back to home this Saturday and spend dang near a week there -- then fly to Las Vegas for a tattoo convention on the weekend of the 1-3 October ( http://tattooexpo2010.com/), then go to SLC and drive back to WF.  We'll get here Sunday  night to start working on the course Monday morning.

Course is now locked down -- Spectre will run in a few minutes.

I got some story on the Ack bike's run from this morning -- will fill you in on the story after the Spectre makes a run.  But to tease -- the trouble Rocky had with the bike going left -- was because of a bad tire.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 22, 2010, 03:02:09 PM
Spectre engine is running, canopy is closed.  Car is under way.

Through the two, past the three, sounds good through our radio.

Entry speed  357    kilo speed  363  mile 362  

Chute is out, now in the pit.

Entry speed  357.2   kilo  363.0  mile   362.9   exit  368.3
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Glen on September 22, 2010, 03:04:56 PM
well nuts was hoping for a 400 for them.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 22, 2010, 03:08:36 PM
I'll let them debrief and then ask wha' happent.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: slepe67 on September 22, 2010, 03:14:13 PM
Weather Alert!

It's 1:13PM, Wednesday, 22 SEP.  I'm at Dugway Rroving Ground.  It's raining here, and moving west at 30 mph. Appears to be a good size front.

See you out on the salt this weekend.  JL
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: jl222 on September 22, 2010, 03:19:57 PM
I'll let them debrief and then ask wha' happent.
 
   Thanks Slim

   How good is the course and is there a problem dragging the course smooth, at speedweek the course was not as smooth as in the past.

                         JL222
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: rlague on September 22, 2010, 03:20:34 PM
sss how is the weather??
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: jl222 on September 22, 2010, 03:24:10 PM
Weather Alert!

It's 1:13PM, Wednesday, 22 SEP.  I'm at Dugway Rroving Ground.  It's raining here, and moving west at 30 mph. Appears to be a good size front.

See you out on the salt this weekend.  JL

  See any UFOS lately :-P

         JL222
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: jdincau on September 22, 2010, 03:26:06 PM
Weather Alert!

It's 1:13PM, Wednesday, 22 SEP.  I'm at Dugway Rroving Ground.  It's raining here, and moving west at 30 mph. Appears to be a good size front.

See you out on the salt this weekend.  JL

http://www.intellicast.com/National/Radar/OneKM.aspx?animate=true&location=USUT0270
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 22, 2010, 03:26:17 PM
Ken says:  "No Oooomh".  The longer story:  They had added some weight to the front and the car handled much better.  They had turned up the boost a little bit - but the motor didn't like it and was soft after first and second.  Amir said it just didn't like third and fourth, even though he ran a 360 or so -- and still was gaining at the exit.  They'll check the data and see if it was just a typo in the program, then probably turn the car around and run it again.

The fancy rear end in the Speed Demon is still in the shop, Main tells me, so they'll run that small engine/no turbo on the 230 (or so) record.  That's the same record Nish will be chasing with their small motor, too.

The jet bike has gone home.  Mike came over, gave me a t-shirt, and said they had broken a part that's not available in the hardware aisle at Smith's, so it's back to Ohio and we'll see you next year.

Big News:  The Loctite crew is out here with a small ATV -- and they blew up the gearbox!  Don't tell corporate that they were on a timed run with it.  James Rice, in the timing tower, is willing to keep the timing slip he's got -- won't give it to the Loctite bosses if the guys here will pay enough. :evil:

The weather, for yor answer, is warmer than we had expected.  Mostly sunny although some clouds here and there.  Warm enough that Nancy just went to the trailer and took off her pants and blouse.

The course is the International, remember, and therefore not directly comparable to the Speedweek courses.  But -- that said, it's not as smooth as Speedweek/WoS.  I don't know how much dragging is being done overnight -- if any.  When Mike Cook is done with his present project I'll see if he has a comment.


We don't have anybody ready to run now, so we're on lunch break.  Ooops, wait!  Speed Demon just radioed -- are loading the car onto the trailer and will head to the north end to make a run with the 300" motor n/a.  You've got about a half-hour to work or nap.  I'll try to sound your wake-up alarm when it's nearly time to run.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: racefanwfo on September 22, 2010, 03:47:59 PM
103 people online right now waiting.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 22, 2010, 03:49:03 PM
Here's the tai view of the jet bike as it trailers away from the 2010 Top Speed Shootout.  We'll see them again next year, I betcha:

(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202010/IMG_2624.jpg)

Amir Rosenbaum drives the Spectre -- right past our pit and into his, about 30 feet to starboard from where we sit:

(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202010/IMG_2620.jpg)

(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202010/IMG_2621.jpg)

(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202010/IMG_2622.jpg)

(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202010/IMG_2623.jpg)

And here's the broken Loctite ATV on the tow strap behind Mike Cook's truck:

(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202010/IMG_2625.jpg)

Still on lunch break -- Speed Demon still in the pit.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: John Noonan on September 22, 2010, 03:52:25 PM
Sorry to hear Mike with the jet bike had to leave without making a pass, I am sure it really hurts the pocket book as well since I am sure he had to prepay an entry fee yet no runs were made...always next time.

John
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Dean Los Angeles on September 22, 2010, 03:53:23 PM
Quote
It's raining here, and moving west at 30 mph.

National Weather Service radar shows it moving northeast.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: k.h. on September 22, 2010, 03:55:09 PM
Well, at least there will be an historical footnote to the 2010 Shootout for Mr. Charlton and company lighting up a jet bike in a motel parking lot.  Does he have a website or contact info for buying T-shirts or donations of parts?  I'll see if there's a way to get him some biodiesel for next time.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: thundersalt on September 22, 2010, 03:55:24 PM
Someone drive to carquest and buy the spectre team a rattle can of flat black for the nose cone :-D
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: hayaboosta on September 22, 2010, 03:56:28 PM
To put the Bonneville 200 MPH Club topic to rest, the minimum established for the FIM class we are racing in is 250 MPH.  
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: 4-barrel Mike on September 22, 2010, 03:57:36 PM
Well, at least there will be an historical footnote to the 2010 Shootout for Mr. Charlton and company lighting up a jet bike in a motel parking lot.  Does he have a website or contact info for buying T-shirts or donations of parts?  I'll see if there's a way to get him some biodiesel for next time.

http://www.mikecharlton.com/index.php (http://www.mikecharlton.com/index.php)  :cheers:

Mike
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: joea on September 22, 2010, 03:58:11 PM
in keeping with peanut gallery standards...

..sss...question..with the tire issue found, will rear ack doors go on or off...

...mps-f 1000 cc record 223+ ...mps G 1350 record 220 +....mps G 1650 minumum 220....guessing
mps F 1650 Bonn. 2 club minimum over 220..?


Joe :)
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: k.h. on September 22, 2010, 03:58:51 PM
Thanks for the link on Mike Charlton.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: John Noonan on September 22, 2010, 04:00:04 PM
To put the Bonneville 200 MPH Club topic to rest, the minimum established for the FIM class we are racing in is 250 MPH.  

For Turbo or Nitrous..?

For Nitrous that is unreal however when you have Deluca running 250 "All motor" in a 2000cc class (he was under 1700cc I believe) it makes you wonder..what records are you guys going after on the turbo bike?  Or do you have more than one there..?

Good luck either way.

Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: racefanwfo on September 22, 2010, 04:01:44 PM
since the jet bike did not make a run does mike get any kind of refund.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Malcolm UK on September 22, 2010, 04:01:55 PM
May I offer my thanks to all reporting from the shoot out.  I have just caught up on your activities.

Whilst it looks as though the running of two cars in the same class will not arise, the position with regard to ratifying records has come about here in the UK where we follow FIA protocol.  I believe the following would have to have occured.  

If the first team put in their paperwork and paid the bill then the time of day when the new speed was set, as seen in the Stewards report, would be confirmed.  [So eventually Charles will have his speed acknowledged as an FIA international record, having bettered that of Bob S in Goldenrod by over 1%].  The Nish team would have to better the speed set by Charles by the 1% increase demanded in the rules because they are running later in the day or the following day.  And once again the paperwork and fees would need to be in order to see that speed ratified as an International record.  

If the second team were only to better the Goldenrod record by 1%, then they would have only been able to claim their speed for a ratified record if the earlier effort (by Charles) was eventually not 'homologated' or ratified.   I could not see this happening because of the manner in which this event is organised, but I would perhaps have advised the Nish team to consider seeking FIA ratification 'just in case' the Committe did not confirm the first record.  [Perhaps the Nish camp would not follow this advice as they would know they had been short of the speeds of Spirit of Rett.]  I am sure this case may arise at some time in the future if the shoot out continues.  It would apply to two bikes if they are in the same class!

In the UK, in an event I organised, the first driver set an outright UK record by exceeeding the standing record on the morning of the attempt by 1%.  Then his team partner in their second car broke the new figure by a further 1%, an hour and twenty minutes later.  The governing body ratified both records, and the faster speed still stands as the UK (non wheeldriven) best.

Malcolm, Derby, England
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: landracing on September 22, 2010, 04:02:53 PM
I hate to sound saracastic, but don't you think Cook does everything in his power to make the track smooth already. If it could be dragged more Im sure he is all over it. However the salt conditions at either end may prevent any more smoothing due to lack of salt crust.

JonAmo
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: k.h. on September 22, 2010, 04:04:25 PM
I believe Mike and the jet bike were invited by some very gracious organizers and some others helped with fees.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: DallasV on September 22, 2010, 04:11:38 PM
I hate to sound saracastic,
JonAmo

Right  :evil:
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: John Noonan on September 22, 2010, 04:14:14 PM
Dang Dallas, I had you on ignore still.. :-D 

As Maxwell Smart would say

"Sorry about that Chief"  :cheers:

J
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: JoshH on September 22, 2010, 04:16:18 PM
Someone drive to carquest and buy the spectre team a rattle can of flat black for the nose cone :-D

Na, battle scar… Chick’s dig’em  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: DallasV on September 22, 2010, 04:17:17 PM
Dang Dallas, I had you on ignore still.. :-D 

As Maxwell Smart would say

"Sorry about that Chief"  :cheers:

J

No worries, I have me on ignore as well
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: mkilger on September 22, 2010, 04:18:53 PM
flat black is easy to find but orange :roll:
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: DahMurf on September 22, 2010, 04:29:21 PM
Don't qoute me on this but the club decided that they would not accept a ama record. But they would accept a fim only.   I don't think this is proper thread to discuss this debate.  Search archives on this discussed in depth.  


Jonamo


Not trying to debate anything just trying to understand the rules to which they must conform to meet their goals for this event. They're not just going for a record but also a hat, that adds extra parameters. Just trying to learn in between the runs.

To put the Bonneville 200 MPH Club topic to rest, the minimum established for the FIM class we are racing in is 250 MPH. 

For Turbo or Nitrous..?

For Nitrous that is unreal however when you have Deluca running 250 "All motor" in a 2000cc class (he was under 1700cc I believe) it makes you wonder..what records are you guys going after on the turbo bike?  Or do you have more than one there..?

Good luck either way.

I thought the 250 speed was for the faired version of the turbo bike that Scott intends to run which makes sense and is perhaps the backup plan for Jamie? I'm just lost trying to figure out the "fuel" record since I have yet to locate the FIM info which I know I've seen in the past. They do divide turbo/non turbo right, even if they don't separate gas/fuel? Just thinking we would probably know if there was a fuel/nitrous only 250 record already out there.

Like I said, I'm just trying to learn! Hey I might want to do this next year! Everybody knows shop owners are independently wealthy!  :evil:
Debbie
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: guttley782 on September 22, 2010, 04:35:58 PM
the only drawback to this fantastic story is having to be so far ahead in the UK, so it is now bed time here! I will catch up again tomorrow. Well done Max for helping out...same as all the others who are working their bottoms off to get people racing down the salt. George you had better get a big number after all that teamwork! Go Rocky too! Really sorry to hear about Mike and his jet bike. Gabriel.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 22, 2010, 04:51:44 PM
If I might interrupt this kaffee-klatsch, the Speed Demon is on the trailer and heading to the north end of the track.  They've got the car loaded with the 300" motor, N/A, and geared for about 300 (so says Ian, the IT guy).  The record they'll be chasing is (I don't know the specifics but I think they were on the sheets I posted here the other day -- don't want to go looking right now) is either 231 or 239 (I've heard both on the FM radios here in the past five minutes).  It is the same record that Nish will now be running.  I'll post this and then tell you some other stories.

George Poteet is suited and in the car - they're getting ready to make a run.  Maybe ten minutes or so.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: k.h. on September 22, 2010, 04:55:27 PM
Gabriel, some things are more important than sleep, even in Old Blimey.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Glen on September 22, 2010, 04:57:32 PM
it's 229 mile & 231 kilo they will go for. Should be interesting.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 22, 2010, 05:05:15 PM
Speed Demon is running, canopy closed, crew vehciel is in the pits, car is moving.

Junior says  "Someone forgot to tell that motor it's only 300 inches!"

Through the zero.  

Car is accelerating, through the one mile, car is slowing, think they lost second gear.

Will retrieve the car and see what happened.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: RayTheRat on September 22, 2010, 05:06:35 PM
After many technical difficulties. I seem to be back online.  I sorta feel like a frog in a blender, tho.  I been goin round and round in circles all day. 

Foto 1:  Mike Charlton reading the tech manual for the jet engine.

2:  The reason for the Ack Attack's leaning problems: a tire with built-in stagger.

3 & 4.  The Currie housing and Ford 9" rear end in the Demon and the Liberty air-shifted transmission.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: RayTheRat on September 22, 2010, 05:07:45 PM
George Poteet must be fit to be tied right about now.  They think they just lost another gear, don't know if it's the rear end or the transmission.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 22, 2010, 05:14:08 PM
Yeah -- the story about the Ack bike's lean.  Rocky was telling me how they thought it was this or that or the wind, or maybe even the doors on the rear.  Then they looked really closely (not as obvious as in Ray's photo -- when there's air in the tire) -- and the front had about a 3/8 shoulder on the right side, making the bike want to go to the left.  He said he was trying to steer, trying to lean, trying whatever he could think to try -- couldn't get it straight.  Too bad, too -- he said it's got way more power and should be a fun ride once they can go straight.

So on his run earlier today he saw a hunk of metal sticking out of the track.  Turns out it was part of the support/anchor for one of the old telephone poles - buried so deep they couldn't dig it out or even winchit out of the surface, so they ended up digging as deep as they could and then using a jaws of life-like tool to cut it off deep underground.  

Rocky's sure looking forward to a fast and fun ride in the bike.  Oh, yeah -- he also said that on that run one of the engines woudln't start -- so they left with one and were going to "bump" start it once going down the course.  That's when they found the object in the course.

They've just switched engines in the bike and are running one now (now it's off again).  They could run in about an hour -- if the wind would allow.  It's more than 3-5 mph now, and we all know Mike and Rocky won't run in a hurricane like that. 

Other -- Spectre has elected to change to the smaller motor, which is about 480".  They're wrenching as I type.

Salt is unlocked and we'll be closed for a while.  The only vehicle likely to run yet today is one or the other of the Scott Horner (not hornet) bikes.  Might be a half-hour, maybe more -- they're waiting for a part from town.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Glen on September 22, 2010, 05:15:24 PM
Rat, we will let you get by with it this time,lol. Your still doing a good job and we all thank you.
 :cheers:
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: 4-barrel Mike on September 22, 2010, 05:21:00 PM
Earlier today Loctite put links to this forum and Jon's PhotoBucket album on their Facebook coverage.

And they said "We found rebar in the track... the Loctite utv pulled it out!" with this pic:

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs681.snc4/62164_434228130938_69368070938_5159044_736710_n.jpg (http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs681.snc4/62164_434228130938_69368070938_5159044_736710_n.jpg)

Mike
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: RayTheRat on September 22, 2010, 05:31:36 PM
A couple more: 

1: Jamie and his bike after the last run:

2:  The rhinoplasty efforts on the Spectre liner.

3 & 4:  Yet another rear end for the Demon.  Lindsay Strassburg from B & J Racing Transmissions is going to stick around to see how it works.

Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: RayTheRat on September 22, 2010, 05:32:51 PM
Rat, we will let you get by with it this time,lol. Your still doing a good job and we all thank you.
 :cheers:

Thanks, Glen.  I need all the help I can get.  :)

Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: k.h. on September 22, 2010, 05:33:22 PM
I sorta feel like a frog in a blender, tho.  I been goin round and round in circles all day. 

Ray, I believe many of us would be glad to trade you our seat in the peanut gallery.  Great job, again.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Jonny Hotnuts on September 22, 2010, 05:34:20 PM
I have seen a few shots of the Spectre nose but didnt find mention of what caused the damage.

Anyone know?

~JH
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: John Noonan on September 22, 2010, 05:35:13 PM
I have seen a few shots of the Spectre nose but didnt find mention of what caused the damage.

Anyone know?

~JH

Hit a mile marker cone I believe..
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Richard 2 on September 22, 2010, 05:36:07 PM
Looking at the locite pic of the anchor in the salt. The salt looks pretty thin.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 22, 2010, 05:36:54 PM
Close-- nota mile marker, but a side-of-the-course marker flag.  Black plastic drape, like a garbage bag, held in place with PVC pipe.  I know what such a marker can do at 200 -- I can well imagine what it'd feel like at dang near twice that.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Glen on September 22, 2010, 05:38:15 PM
The salt at the north end around the 8 mile is very thin, same on the south near the highway, all from mining,
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Glen on September 22, 2010, 05:39:49 PM
Close-- nota mile marker, but a side-of-the-course marker flag.  Black plastic drape, like a garbage bag, held in place with PVC pipe.  I know what such a marker can do at 200 -- I can well imagine what it'd feel like at dang near twice that.

Yeah Jon, but he didn't slap it with his fist like you did. :-D
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: John Noonan on September 22, 2010, 05:40:38 PM
Thanks Slim for the info
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Bobby c on September 22, 2010, 05:44:32 PM
John,
I am still realy glad you were in the center of the course when you went by me in the Ack a few years ago! LOL
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Richard 2 on September 22, 2010, 05:46:56 PM
So the thin salt on the ends of the course, probably won't allow for more dragging.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Glen on September 22, 2010, 05:54:16 PM
Jon, any updates on the Demon trans and how the Nish change over is coming along?
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Richard 2 on September 22, 2010, 05:57:25 PM
I think everybody went home  :-D
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Glen on September 22, 2010, 05:59:23 PM
Not yet.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 22, 2010, 06:03:41 PM
Speed Demon broke a ring gear.  They're going to pit the car back into the turbo setup - in anticipation of the return tonight of the repaired other rearend.

I'll walk to the Nish pit once Nancy and I finish the ice cream bars that Ron Main just handed out to everyone.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Richard 2 on September 22, 2010, 06:04:15 PM
I'm gone Thanks Slim, Ray, and a BIG THANKS to Mike Cook And Crew!
Rick   :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: John Noonan on September 22, 2010, 06:20:25 PM
John,
I am still realy glad you were in the center of the course when you went by me in the Ack a few years ago! LOL

Yep Chute failure.....went by you a little under two hundred..and I waved.. :-D
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 22, 2010, 06:24:42 PM
Cec McCray, the Nish crew chief, was torquing the clutch onto the "small" engine when i went over there just now.  The motor's on the hook, not even near the car, but it's mostly together.  No forecast on if they'll try to get it ready to run today -- or just for tomorrow.

The wind is kicking up pretty well right across the highway/freeway -- big dust devils  scooting around and maybe some rain in the offing.

The sit on bike team is about to run, according to the FM radio.  It's now 25 or so after 4 local time.  Speed Demon is wrenching on the rear end, Spectre is still swapping motors, and the Ack bike is still under the awnings.

Open bike is running right now.  Wonder if that means a run in imminent.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: 4-barrel Mike on September 22, 2010, 06:31:30 PM
Some webcams watching the various pits sure would be nice  :roll:

Mike
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: RayTheRat on September 22, 2010, 06:34:52 PM
Slim pretty well covered the team update.  Nearburg and Jet Bike Mike have gone home, one with a record, one with a busted jet engine.

Here are 4 more shots:

1.  The Spectre liner entering the pits after the last run.

2:  Dave Petrali (USAC/FIA), Terry Nish and James Rice (Timer)...the Nish team served up some ribs and corn on the cob and made sure the guys out on the track got to come in for a bite.

3:  Whoever said, "battle scars...chicks dig 'em" nailed it.  I think the Spectre team is gonna show the liner this way at SEMA to demonstrate that LSR isn't just a "strap in and go fast" form of motorsport.

4:  FINALLY someone found a helmet that will fit Pork Pie's nose.  :)

Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 22, 2010, 06:35:37 PM
Scott Horner is on the naked turbo bike, waiting for traffic to clear so he can make a run.  The wind is gusting up -- gotta try to get a run in in case the weather goes bad.

Nice photo of Pork Pie, Ray -- it made Nancy laugh LOUDLY.

Horner is away from the pit on the turbo bike.  Looking for traction in first, rev limiter in second -- and he's just heading down to the measured stretch of the track on bike 1709 -- the 1363 turbo naked 'Busa.

He's through the three mile.

At the four mile, getting to the timed mile.

Entry speed  219.4   kilo  215.0   mile   215.3   exit  212.1

Just past the 7 mile and cruising to the far end of the bike course.  He was running on a record that MAY be an open record (per the tower), but Drew Gatewood thinks he was running on his Bub record which was under 200.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: John Noonan on September 22, 2010, 06:42:16 PM
Good run Scott..... :cheers:
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Jonny Hotnuts on September 22, 2010, 06:48:33 PM
Thanks JN and SSS for the nose info.

~JH
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 22, 2010, 06:48:44 PM
It sounds like Scott will try to make a return run -- likely about ten minutes from now.  Stay tuned.  Bike 1709 will run in a few minutes.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: desotoman on September 22, 2010, 06:58:38 PM
A couple more: 

3 & 4:  Yet another rear end for the Demon.  Lindsay Strassburg from B & J Racing Transmissions is going to stick around to see how it works.



Ray,

Any chance on getting some more information on that rear end? Did Strassburg make it? Or is it some other brand?

Thanks for any help,

Tom G.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 22, 2010, 06:59:49 PM
Entry speed 206.0   kilo  206.4    mile 206.4  exit 206.7

He surprised everyone -- Scott ran suddenly.  The wind has kicked up majorly and he had to get the run in before wind got about 11 mph at the tower.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 22, 2010, 07:23:24 PM
First today we had a UTV puke a tranny on the course, now we've got SIX Mustang convertibles, all rentals from Las Vegas and driven by Aussies here on holiday -- going to be escorted down the course in parade formation.

(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202010/IMG_2638.jpg)

(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202010/IMG_2641.jpg)

Here's the last photo.  It's a really long shot for them, showing Floating Mountain in the back.  I gave them a landracing.com bumper sticker so they'll know where to look for 'em when they get back to the nether parts of the planet.

(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202010/IMG_2646.jpg)

Did I show you Lindsay Strasburg showing off the rear ends that they're building for race cars?  I know Ray talked about it -- and I got to meet and shoot the breeze with Lindsay for a while, too.  Here he is - or is this Kenny Duttweiler looking at the pumpkin?  Hard to tell in the thumbnail photo. . .

(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202010/IMG_2631.jpg)

Okay, we're shut down for the day.  Scott returned to his pit -- don't know if it'll be a record or not.  The wind is up and the three remaining car teams are thrashing.  Mike Akatiff says they'll be ready to make a run at EIGHT AM Utah time -- that's later than the 7AM starting time we've observed for the past few days.

I'll be back here in an hour or two, after we're back to the motel and clean up a bit.  Later - -
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: RayTheRat on September 22, 2010, 07:28:31 PM
I was gonna start off by saying, "just when you thought it couldn't get any stranger..." but SSS beat me to the punch with the fotos of the Aussies and their rented Mustangs.  But here they are, anyway:

Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Stan Back on September 22, 2010, 07:36:18 PM
Tom --

It doesn't matter -- you don't need any more parts.

Stan
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Stan Back on September 22, 2010, 07:38:02 PM
"Well, at least there will be an historical footnote to the 2010 Shootout for Mr. Charlton and company lighting up a jet bike in a motel parking lot."

That's probably only a jet bike footnote.  It used to be you had to fire up in town to be allowed in inspection.

Stan
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: RayTheRat on September 22, 2010, 07:49:18 PM
And then there's rear end #2 (for this meet) from the Demon:

I think it lasted about 1 shift.

The back half is empty again....

and being prepared for a puffer motor again. 

I screwed up.  I jumped to the conclusion that the B & J rear end would be going into the Demon.  This is not the case.  They'll be using the quickchange they get from Fergusen along with the turbocharged 299 inch motor.  They've closed things up for the nite and will start again as soon as they can get on the salt.  Slim covered the changed start time for tomorrow.

It appears that the storm front (which consisted of wind only) is passing and tomorrow should be cooler, but calm.

Nish is still changing motors, the Ack Attack team is still working on the bike, but I think that's just final details.  The Spectre team is pulling out the AA motor and preparing for the A motor's installation. 

I think that pretty much covers it.  I'm outta here for a while.

Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: racefanwfo on September 22, 2010, 08:02:28 PM
thanks to ray and sss for the great reporting today.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Freud on September 22, 2010, 08:24:05 PM
One reason that antagonizing on this site was at a minimum today is because Infected Bystander, Stan Back and FREUD were guests

at a Board Meeting of the San Berdoo Roadster Club. We planned to stay longer but there was a vote coming up  and

we were asked to leave.......even though Stan Back is the member.

One motion that was approved was Caddy power.

Boxed wine, beans and chips was the fare. 

I was so fortunate to have been invited to such an important event.

No one in attendance had Wi-Fi so it was impossible to follow the happenings on the Salt, but there was

also a Shoot Out in San Bernardino.


FREUD

 

Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Richard 2 on September 22, 2010, 08:27:18 PM
Slim,
 If you get a chance in the morning would you find out how much the Speed Demon weighs, looks fairly light for a 400+ streamliner of which I'm sure it's designed for. Just curious.

Also what final gear they run in the quickchange with the big motor.  
Thanks Rick
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Richard 2 on September 22, 2010, 08:36:37 PM
Some webcams watching the various pits sure would be nice  :roll:

Mike
Maybe slim should start a fund for the webcams  :|
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 22, 2010, 08:38:49 PM
Looks can be deceiving.  The Speed Demon weighs (in turbo mode) about 4300#.  I don't know the ratio -- will see if I can get that from them tomorrow.

Let's see how this makes it from James Rice's thumb drive to this website.  If it works -- it'll be all of the timing slips from the timing tower since the meet started, including (it appears) tests.  It is in Text Edit format -- which is fine with me and Apple. . .

Vehicle:    998    
09-20-10    08:20:50 08:20:13
          ETs         Speeds
Dn Entry  ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Kilo   ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Exit   ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Mile   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Entry   5.9195121  115.133mph
Rt Kilo   22.5432964  99.228 mph
Rt Exit    8.5681191  79.542 mph
Rt Mile   37.0309276  97.216 mph
        
Temp: 59.9F  SP:25.64in  DA: 5370ft
Wind:8mph from the WSW  
Shut Down at 2.5 Mile                  
 
Vehicle:    998    
09-20-10    09:28:49 09:28:20
          ETs         Speeds
Dn Entry  ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Kilo   ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Exit   ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Mile   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Entry   5.2342046  130.207mph
Rt Kilo   18.1986688  122.917mph
Rt Exit    5.8776347  115.953mph
Rt Mile   29.3105081  122.822mph
        
Temp: 62.0F  SP:25.64in  DA: 5504ft
Wind:6mph from the ESE  
                                        
 
Vehicle:    715    
09-20-10    10:00:28 10:00:20
          ETs         Speeds
Dn Entry  ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Kilo   ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Exit   ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Mile   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Entry   1.6890981  403.488mph
Rt Kilo    5.4092769  413.537mph
Rt Exit    1.6129160  422.546mph
Rt Mile    8.7112910  413.256mph
        
Temp: 64.3F  SP:25.65in  DA: 5639ft
Wind:0mph from the N    
                                        
 
Vehicle:    715    
09-20-10    10:41:35 10:41:46
          ETs         Speeds
Dn Entry   2.0067263  339.623mph
Dn Kilo    6.8875723  324.778mph
Dn Exit    2.1946081  310.548mph
Dn Mile   11.0889067  324.648mph
Rt Entry  ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Kilo   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Exit   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Mile   ---.------  ---.---mph
        
Temp: 64.1F  SP:25.65in  DA: 5626ft
Wind:11mph from the S    
                                        
 
Vehicle:    998    
09-20-10    11:08:18 11:07:49
          ETs         Speeds
Dn Entry  ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Kilo   ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Exit   ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Mile   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Entry   5.1854290  131.432mph
Rt Kilo   18.0318625  124.054mph
Rt Exit    5.8309198  116.882mph
Rt Mile   29.0482113  123.931mph
        
Temp: 63.6F  SP:25.65in  DA: 5593ft
Wind:7mph from the S    
                                        
 
Vehicle:    715    
09-20-10    16:36:32 16:36:24
          ETs         Speeds
Dn Entry  ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Kilo   ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Exit   ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Mile   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Entry   1.6241967  419.611mph
Rt Kilo    5.3549710  417.730mph
Rt Exit    1.6819774  405.196mph
Rt Mile    8.6611451  415.649mph
        
Temp: 70.3F  SP:25.57in  DA: 6111ft
Wind:7mph from the E    
                                        
 
Vehicle:    451    
09-20-10    17:22:50 17:22:03
          ETs         Speeds
Dn Entry  ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Kilo   ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Exit   ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Mile   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Entry   7.0860631  96.179 mph
Rt Kilo   29.0683270  76.954 mph
Rt Exit   11.1826089  60.945 mph
Rt Mile   47.3369990  76.050 mph
        
Temp: 71.3F  SP:25.56in  DA: 6182ft
Wind:7mph from the ESE  
                                        
 
Vehicle:    998    
09-20-10    17:36:51 17:36:27
          ETs         Speeds
Dn Entry  ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Kilo   ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Exit   ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Mile   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Entry   4.4044389  154.737mph
Rt Kilo   15.1936355  147.228mph
Rt Exit    4.8670457  140.029mph
Rt Mile   24.4651201  147.148mph
        
Temp: 71.0F  SP:25.56in  DA: 6166ft
Wind:7mph from the ENE  

=====================================                                        
 
Vehicle:   1122    
09-21-10    07:36:59 07:36:50
          ETs         Speeds
Dn Entry  ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Kilo   ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Exit   ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Mile   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Entry   1.6585507  410.920mph
Rt Kilo    5.3639992  417.027mph
Rt Exit    1.6125359  422.645mph
Rt Mile    8.6350858  416.903mph
        
Temp: 52.1F  SP:25.56in  DA: 4944ft
Wind:4mph from the NNW  
                                        
 
Vehicle:   1122    
09-21-10    08:13:04 08:13:13
          ETs         Speeds
Dn Entry   1.6813796  405.340mph
Dn Kilo    5.4317219  411.828mph
Dn Exit    1.6317897  417.659mph
Dn Mile    8.7448912  411.668mph
Rt Entry  ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Kilo   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Exit   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Mile   ---.------  ---.---mph
        
Temp: 53.1F  SP:25.56in  DA: 5010ft
Wind:7mph from the NNW  
                                        
 
Vehicle:    899    
09-21-10    09:10:44 09:10:32
          ETs         Speeds
Dn Entry  ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Kilo   ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Exit   ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Mile   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Entry   2.3307982  292.402mph
Rt Kilo    7.4338332  300.912mph
Rt Exit    2.2172761  307.373mph
Rt Mile   11.9819075  300.452mph
        
Temp: 54.8F  SP:25.56in  DA: 5129ft
Wind:0mph from the N    
                                        
 
Vehicle:    715    
09-21-10    11:31:13 11:30:55
          ETs         Speeds
Dn Entry  ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Kilo   ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Exit   ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Mile   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Entry   3.2610624  208.990mph
Rt Kilo   11.2137406  199.481mph
Rt Exit    3.5785308  190.450mph
Rt Mile   18.0533338  199.409mph
        
Temp: 63.4F  SP:25.55in  DA: 5694ft
Wind:3mph from the S    
                                        
 
Vehicle:    899    
09-21-10    11:54:43 11:54:55
          ETs         Speeds
Dn Entry   2.3671766  287.909mph
Dn Kilo    7.5659022  295.660mph
Dn Exit    2.2879547  297.878mph
Dn Mile   12.2210335  294.574mph
Rt Entry  ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Kilo   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Exit   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Mile   ---.------  ---.---mph
        
Temp: 67.0F  SP:25.54in  DA: 5935ft
Wind:1mph from the SSW  
                                        
 
Vehicle:    968    
09-21-10    14:01:43 14:02:01
          ETs         Speeds
Dn Entry   3.5138030  193.958mph
Dn Kilo   11.3901283  196.392mph
Dn Exit    3.4745039  196.152mph
Dn Mile   18.3784352  195.881mph
Rt Entry  ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Kilo   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Exit   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Mile   ---.------  ---.---mph
        
Temp: 69.2F  SP:25.49in  DA: 6138ft
Wind:4mph from the ESE  
                                        
 
Vehicle:    968    
09-21-10    14:19:34 14:19:16
          ETs         Speeds
Dn Entry  ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Kilo   ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Exit   ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Mile   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Entry   3.5319274  192.963mph
Rt Kilo   11.4731211  194.971mph
Rt Exit    3.3657562  202.489mph
Rt Mile   18.3708047  195.963mph
        
Temp: 69.7F  SP:25.48in  DA: 6180ft
Wind:6mph from the ESE  
                                        
 
Vehicle:    451    
09-21-10    14:32:09 14:32:00
          ETs         Speeds
Dn Entry  ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Kilo   ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Exit   ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Mile   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Entry   1.7746436  384.038mph
Rt Kilo    5.7287580  390.474mph
Rt Exit    1.7200682  396.223mph
Rt Mile    9.2234698  390.308mph
        
Temp: 69.4F  SP:25.48in  DA: 6160ft
Wind:5mph from the ESE  
                                        
 
Vehicle:    998    
09-21-10    14:44:05 14:43:57
          ETs         Speeds
Dn Entry  ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Kilo   ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Exit   ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Mile   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Entry   1.7062021  399.443mph
Rt Kilo    5.5305076  404.472mph
Rt Exit    1.6658886  409.110mph
Rt Mile    8.9025983  404.376mph
        
Temp: 69.8F  SP:25.47in  DA: 6199ft
Wind:5mph from the ESE  
                                        
 
Vehicle:    998    
09-21-10    16:26:18 16:26:09
          ETs         Speeds
Dn Entry  ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Kilo   ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Exit   ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Mile   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Entry   1.7243519  395.239mph
Rt Kilo    5.5884806  400.276mph
Rt Exit    1.6846144  404.562mph
Rt Mile    8.9974469  400.113mph
        
Temp: 75.8F  SP:25.42in  DA: 6634ft
Wind:0mph from the N    
                                        
 
Vehicle:    968    
09-21-10    17:11:49 17:12:07
          ETs         Speeds
Dn Entry   3.4977573  194.848mph
Dn Kilo   11.1996999  199.731mph
Dn Exit    3.3760375  201.873mph
Dn Mile   18.0734947  199.186mph
Rt Entry  ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Kilo   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Exit   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Mile   ---.------  ---.---mph
        
Temp: 74.6F  SP:25.39in  DA: 6599ft
Wind:10mph from the NE  
                                        
 
Vehicle:    968    
09-21-10    17:29:05 17:28:47
          ETs         Speeds
Dn Entry  ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Kilo   ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Exit   ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Mile   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Entry   3.4844303  195.593mph
Rt Kilo   11.3427538  197.212mph
Rt Exit    3.3268658  204.857mph
Rt Mile   18.1540499  198.302mph
        
Temp: 75.0F  SP:25.38in  DA: 6634ft
Wind:8mph from the NE    
                                        
 
Vehicle:    968    
09-21-10    18:05:08 18:05:27
          ETs         Speeds
Dn Entry   3.6920042  184.596mph
Dn Kilo   12.0951948  184.944mph
Dn Exit    3.7322270  182.607mph
Dn Mile   19.5194260  184.431mph
Rt Entry  ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Kilo   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Exit   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Mile   ---.------  ---.---mph
        
Temp: 75.6F  SP:25.36in  DA: 6694ft
Wind:5mph from the NE    
                                        
 
Vehicle:    968    
09-21-10    18:21:30 18:21:12
          ETs         Speeds
Dn Entry  ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Kilo   ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Exit   ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Mile   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Entry   3.4048215  200.166mph
Rt Kilo   11.1337040  200.915mph
Rt Exit    3.3904644  201.014mph
Rt Mile   17.9289899  200.792mph
        
Temp: 75.4F  SP:25.35in  DA: 6694ft
Wind:0mph from the N    
                                        
 
Vehicle:    968    
09-21-10    18:49:14 18:49:33
          ETs         Speeds
Dn Entry   3.5512643  191.912mph
Dn Kilo   11.3397269  197.265mph
Dn Exit    3.4670985  196.571mph
Dn Mile   18.3580897  196.098mph
Rt Entry  ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Kilo   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Exit   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Mile   ---.------  ---.---mph
        
Temp: 76.1F  SP:25.35in  DA: 6739ft
Wind:0mph from the N    
                                        
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Vehicle:    998    
09-22-10    09:02:36 09:02:27
          ETs         Speeds
Dn Entry  ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Kilo   ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Exit   ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Mile   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Entry   1.6981694  401.333mph
Rt Kilo    5.4936644  407.184mph
Rt Exit    1.6521360  412.515mph
Rt Mile    8.8439698  407.057mph
        
Temp: 56.9F  SP:25.39in  DA: 5473ft
Wind:5mph from the NE    
                                        
 
Vehicle:    998    
09-22-10    09:43:04 09:43:14
          ETs         Speeds
Dn Entry   1.7575109  387.782mph
Dn Kilo    5.6851185  393.472mph
Dn Exit    1.7123760  398.003mph
Dn Mile    9.1550054  393.227mph
Rt Entry  ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Kilo   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Exit   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Mile   ---.------  ---.---mph
        
Temp: 58.2F  SP:25.39in  DA: 5560ft
Wind:6mph from the NE    
                                        
 
Vehicle:    968    
09-22-10    11:06:47 11:07:04
          ETs         Speeds
Dn Entry   3.2285951  211.092mph
Dn Kilo   10.5517459  211.996mph
Dn Exit    3.2357439  210.626mph
Dn Mile   17.0160849  211.564mph
Rt Entry  ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Kilo   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Exit   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Mile   ---.------  ---.---mph
        
Temp: 64.5F  SP:25.39in  DA: 5964ft
Wind:3mph from the N    
                                        
 
Vehicle:    968    
09-22-10    12:34:29 12:34:11
          ETs         Speeds
Dn Entry  ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Kilo   ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Exit   ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Mile   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Entry   3.3709497  202.177mph
Rt Kilo   11.1589703  200.460mph
Rt Exit    3.4007364  200.407mph
Rt Mile   17.9306564  200.773mph
        
Temp: 69.6F  SP:25.37in  DA: 6312ft
Wind:4mph from the ENE  
                                        
 
Vehicle:    451    
09-22-10    13:03:56 13:03:46
          ETs         Speeds
Dn Entry  ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Kilo   ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Exit   ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Mile   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Entry   1.9076488  357.262mph
Rt Kilo    6.1612630  363.064mph
Rt Exit    1.8500961  368.376mph
Rt Mile    9.9190079  362.939mph
        
Temp: 70.4F  SP:25.35in  DA: 6379ft
Wind:4mph from the E    
                                        
 
Vehicle:    715    
09-22-10    __:__:__ __:__:__
          ETs         Speeds
Dn Entry  ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Kilo   ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Exit   ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Mile   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Entry  ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Kilo   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Exit   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Mile   ---.------  ---.---mph
        
Temp: 76.8F  SP:25.32in  DA: 6795ft
Wind:3mph from the ENE  
Turn Out                                
 
Vehicle:   1709    
09-22-10    16:39:18 16:39:35
          ETs         Speeds
Dn Entry   3.1057695  219.440mph
Dn Kilo   10.3996315  215.097mph
Dn Exit    3.2125912  212.143mph
Dn Mile   16.7179922  215.336mph
Rt Entry  ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Kilo   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Exit   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Mile   ---.------  ---.---mph
        
Temp: 77.3F  SP:25.32in  DA: 6822ft
Wind:10mph from the WSW  
                                        
 
Vehicle:   1709    
09-22-10    16:58:20 16:58:02
          ETs         Speeds
Dn Entry  ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Kilo   ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Exit   ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Mile   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Entry   3.3076946  206.044mph
Rt Kilo   10.8329589  206.493mph
Rt Exit    3.2971708  206.702mph
Rt Mile   17.4378243  206.447mph
        
Temp: 77.4F  SP:25.33in  DA: 6816ft
Wind:9mph from the SW    
                                      


Cool-o-matic, I think it worked!
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 22, 2010, 08:42:15 PM
As for webcams, c'mon, you know how boring it is to see a pit - much of the time.  And think about the changing light conditions -- in shadow unless it gets set up right in the morning, then in shadow in the afternoon.

Sure -- it'd be easy enough to do, but would there really be much visual value to a webcam view on the site?  I'll listen to what you folks have to say.  Remember that I've got some dedicated folks working with me to run streaming audio in the near future (but not WF 2010) -- but video?  Would it be worth the bother to have it? Remember that it'd be pretty much unattended.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: little max on September 22, 2010, 08:52:15 PM
O.K. I got to ask,  was rocky`s clocked time of 104 mph his fastest of the day?   :lol:
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: FIL on September 22, 2010, 08:57:14 PM
Webcams of the pit areas wouldn't do it for me... streaming of the AM radio feed that was at SpeedWeek would probably be much appreciated though... Not sure if thats what you meant when you said you were working on audio already...
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: sockjohn on September 22, 2010, 09:00:20 PM
 
  400 MPH + and UNBLOWN = AWESOME  :-o congrats on record Spirit Of Rett and over 400 Nish :cheers:

     Langlo Racing



People are starting to make 400 mph look easy!   :cheers:

Small write about Spirit of Rett

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/092210dnbusNearburg.11705dcf8.html

  It might look easy to you and the moe money you have the easier it is but even then its sure as hell ain't easy :roll:


                     JL222

That was intended to be a sincere compliment!  To make it look easy you have to get good, usually by years of hard work.

Money can buy you parts and pay people to put it all together, but it still takes the knowledge to know what to put together.  I hate to admit how much I am backtracking decisions and how slow I am building!

Shame the jet bike left.  :-(
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Richard 2 on September 22, 2010, 09:43:13 PM
Thanks  Slim, I think the Burklands 411 weighs 8,000 plus if I remember Jon's article correctly.
Webcams, keep an open mind, wide angle maybe.  :roll:
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: LittleLiner on September 22, 2010, 10:19:11 PM
One motion that was approved was Caddy power.

?? Translation please . . .
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: AJR192 on September 22, 2010, 10:48:58 PM
Hey Jon, when you see Terry and Cec in the morning please tell them that Wild Bill Madsen passed away today. Terry and Bill were fierce competitors on the oval track here and the intermountain west. They will certainly want to know. Thank you.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: SPARKY on September 22, 2010, 11:11:37 PM
I have been out of pocket---in DFW--- of all places.  while Charles and all of the "Spirt of Rett"---is on the SALT  breaking a traditional HOT ROD Record--Congratulations to ALL who contributed to that Great Accomplishment.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: SPARKY on September 22, 2010, 11:13:30 PM
congratulations to the Nish crew for a new personal best---

it is a small group who have been over 4 -- record or not.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Mr411Fan on September 23, 2010, 12:00:02 AM
Richard 2     Burklands streamliner wieghs 4200lbs with driver no fuel or water, but with around 100 gallons of water/fuel that puts the wieght around 5000lbs ready to roll.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Elmo Rodge on September 23, 2010, 12:03:25 AM
I just got home home and I'm rather beat but, Lands End Linda wanted me to tell everyone a great big "HI" from her.  :cheers: And she means it. Wayno
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: saltfever on September 23, 2010, 02:07:23 AM
As for webcams, c'mon, you know how boring it is to see a pit - much of the time.  . . .  Would it be worth the bother to have it? Remember that it'd be pretty much unattended.

Agree. However, a cam in the tower focused on the timing computer screen with all of the data might be another story  . . . if it was allowed!

SSS. Outstanding job . . . many thanx.   :cheers:
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: FIL on September 23, 2010, 02:40:17 AM
I just got home home and I'm rather beat but, Lands End Linda wanted me to tell everyone a great big "HI" from her.  :cheers: And she means it. Wayno

I don't know who we bumped into without knowing it, and who we didn't... but I do know, everyone we encountered out on the salt was great to deal with... every time we got to Lands End, we breezed straight on through, barely stopping to get our passes checked... the start line crew were great to deal with, and it was really good to see how involved the starters are with the drivers, as far as checking belts and helmets, and passing on course info with regards to weather and track conditions...

Oh, and who could forget the girls selling the Shaved Ice... that definitely took the edge off the heat around mid afternoon... :)

So, from the Aussies in the big black Caddy (if anyone remembers it), thanks to all for making our Bonneville trip pretty damn amazing :)

Hopefully we'll see you all again soon...
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Richard 2 on September 23, 2010, 08:50:55 AM
Richard 2     Burklands streamliner wieghs 4200lbs with driver no fuel or water, but with around 100 gallons of water/fuel that puts the wieght around 5000lbs ready to roll.
Thanks Betty I stand corrected. I should of reread article.
Rick
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: landracing on September 23, 2010, 10:07:54 AM
I think Im feeling crunch time in the area of Wendover, Utah right now, Three teams swapping motors and a Ack Attack itching to make a full power pass.      Slim you out there??????

Wasn't there an 8 O'Clock tow down to the line by Ack???

JonAmo
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 23, 2010, 10:16:00 AM
Well, Jon -- and all of you out there in the Peanut Gallery -- Yes, the call for Ack thgis morning was 8AM local time.

But -- 8 has come and gone, and there's no chance of a run in the next hour.  The Ack bike is in the pit, sans bodywork, and not a whole heck of a lot of scrambling going on around it right now.  Maybe another hour - - -

Spectre finished the motor swap about 12.30 last night -- and Murph stayed with them the whole time and took photos.  He'll put the story on his blog and put a link to it on here so you can see what fun.

The Speed Demon's repaired rear end arrived in Wendover about 5 this morning, and the replacement turbo is forecast to land in SLC about 8, ride out here, and get installed.  They hope to be ready to run by 11.

Jack Rogers Realty is here today for some runs, with Steve Struck, our favorite hillbilly driver (his term, not my negative insinuation) ready to have some fun.  And the Heads Up Performance team is in their pit working on the bikes. 

It's a cool Salt Flats morning -- feels like about 55 degrees, but perfectly clear skies and very gentle winds.

Hey -- one engine is running on the Ack bike.  Good sounds, sounds good.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: bvillercr on September 23, 2010, 10:26:18 AM
What does Jack Rogers run?
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: mkilger on September 23, 2010, 10:30:52 AM
a car like yours  :evil:  just not as fast #757
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: bvillercr on September 23, 2010, 10:36:06 AM
Is it the 757 Camaro?  If so that's two years in a row, for some reason I thought this was a shoot out between high speed liners?  Bikes and cars running, what is their cost to run?
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: jimmy six on September 23, 2010, 10:36:44 AM
The old Fox, Christopherson and Dahl. Camaro..........
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: mkilger on September 23, 2010, 10:38:51 AM
call Cook 951  278-4243  maybe a good time for you guys to break 300 Troy.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: bvillercr on September 23, 2010, 10:48:15 AM
We like speedweek, gives my mom a chance to have fun gambling.  Maybe someday Mike will have a doorslammer shootout, any car that has gone over say 270, including comp coupe?  Now back to the real fast guys. :-D
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 23, 2010, 10:56:04 AM
It's about ten 'til 9, and the word on the FM is that the Ack bike will be ready to run in something under one hour.  They're putting it together and onto the trailer now.

This event has drawn corporate support from Loctite, as you've probably heard by now.  Loctite has been here all week giving out samples and putting posts on the Facebook page and stuff like that, and today's their last day on the salt for this event.  So -=- we had some time this morning to take a few photos of the sponsor table with the new big permanent trophy for the vehicles that set records at the shootouts -- and here are some of them.  Thanks, Loctite (for the goodies we got, too!).

(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202010/IMG_2658.jpg)

(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202010/IMG_2663.jpg)

(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202010/IMG_2665.jpg)

Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 23, 2010, 11:04:23 AM
Nobody's in the Jack Rogers Realty pit right now, so I couldn't ask Jack (or Steve) about why they run at this event.  I know they sure enjoy the luxury of having pretty much unlimited runs for test and tune - and getting timing slips for every one of the runs.

Here are a few photos of the car -- and yes, it's the Doll-Fox-Christopherson car, you're right, of course.  Sorry for the shadows -- it's still early out here.

(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202010/IMG_2668.jpg)

(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202010/IMG_2666.jpg)

(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202010/IMG_2667.jpg)

Ack bike reports they'll be ready to run in fifteen minutes.  We'll see. . .

Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: thundersalt on September 23, 2010, 11:06:09 AM
Still working on that chute I would guess :evil:
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 23, 2010, 11:14:16 AM
Ah, ain't this internet great?  Steve STRUPP just moseyed over here to say a couple of folks have called him in the last few minutes to say I'd misspelled his last name.  It has therefore been drilled into my head that he ends his moniker with a pair of "P"s,  not a "ck".  Forever it shall be, I hope.

Akc is starting to get ready for a run.  Will run from the freeway end to the mountain and turn around up there for the return.  Still in the pit -- but soon, soon. . .

As for why the Jack Rogers team is here for the Shootout with something other than a traditional "fastest of the fast" car -- hey, I was right -- it's a great way to get in lots of runs, and if the team owner chooses to contract with Mike Cook Motorsports to be a participant -- so be it.  You wanna get in on the action?  Contact Mike Cook, I guess. . .
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: thundersalt on September 23, 2010, 11:23:12 AM
Just a little morning jocularity.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Dean Los Angeles on September 23, 2010, 11:28:24 AM
MondayEntryKiloMileExitNotes
9987:09NishShut off at two
9988:23NishShut down - rough course
7158:59Speed Demon403.488413.537413.256422.546
7159:39Speed Demon339.623324.778324.648310.548turbo destroyed
7159:48Speed DemonRecord - Kilo  363.847,  mile 363.673
99810:02NishEngine off, coasting through the two mile - MSD box too hot
7153:35Speed Demon419.611417.730415.649405.196
7153:46Speed DemonNo return run turbo gone again
4514:21SpectreFull course run, no speed - lost a hose, alternator wire came off
9984:29Nish154, exit 140 - lost a hose
9985:40NishCar wouldn't shift
Tuesday
11226:34Spirit of Rett410.92417.027416.903422.645
11227:09Spirit of Rett405.34411.828411.668417.659
11227:15Spirit of RettRecord - Kilo  414.477,  mile 414.316
71510:13Speed Demon208.990199.481199.409190.450NA motor, Drive line/u-joint failure
4511:29Spectre384.038390.474390.308396.223
9981:43Nish399.443404.472404.376409.110
9983:25Nish395.239400.276400.113404.562
8998:05Ack Attack292.402300.912300.452307.373
89910:47Ack Attack287.909295.660294.574297.878
9681:01Jamie Williams193.958196.392195.881196.152
9681:18Jamie Williams192.963194.971195.963202.489
9684:12Jamie Williams194.848199.731199.186201.873
9684:34Jamie Williams195.593197.212198.302204.857
9685:02Jamie Williams184.596184.944184.431182.607nitrous not open
9685:23Jamie Williams200.166200.915200.792201.014
9685:48Jamie Williams191.912197.265196.098196.571
Wednesday
9987:52Nish401.333407.184407.057412.515
9988:39Nish387.782393.472393.227398.003sideways at the quarter mile
45112:02Spectre357.262363.064362.939368.376
7152:05Speed DemonNo speed - broke ring gear
96810:02Jamie Williams211.092211.996211.564210.626
96811:33Jamie Williams202.177200.460200.773200.407
17093:35Scott Horner219.440215.097215.336212.143
17093:59Scott Horner206.044206.493206.447206.702
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 23, 2010, 11:41:34 AM
The Ack Attack bike is on the ground and the push truck is right behind it.  Those are good signs that a run is imminent.  But - a far better indicator, if you ask me, and although you didn't you're gonna get my comment, is that the helicopter for the film crew has started the engine and is about to take flight.  I'd guess that the fees the 'chopper charges might include something tied to engine hours -- so they won't take off 'til things really might happen.

Rocky is getting dressed, wind is up to 3-4 mph from highway to mountains.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: landracing on September 23, 2010, 11:46:33 AM
Dean,

Thanks for putting that together, it is awesome.... Time line, speeds and results.. Sweet...

JonAmo
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: JoshH on September 23, 2010, 11:48:21 AM
Agreed, nice recap.

SSS - this thread is going to exceed 10k hits today and there is still 2 full days remaining of the shoot out - WOW :-o
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 23, 2010, 11:51:18 AM
Josh:

And now you know why I called Dan at the company that hosts the site -- to remind him that this show was coming up and to keep an eye on the system so things didn't crap out during the fun.  Thanks, everyone -- you're helping Nancy and me have a grand time of it!

'The wind is steady between 3 - 4 mph from highway to mountains (which, with the bike running form south to north, means a right-to-left breeze), so Rocky is getting in the bike and will wait to decide when to run.  Mike Akatiff says the steady wind is something that Rocky can deal with (vs. gusty breezes), so they'll stay on alert and be ready to go at any time.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: landracing on September 23, 2010, 11:53:04 AM
Agreed, nice recap.

SSS - this thread is going to exceed 10k hits today and there is still 2 full days remaining of the shoot out - WOW :-o

The Shootout 2009 had 47,122 hits last year... This seems to be about 1/4 of that, so far with two days left. I would estimate we might see 20K hits when its done.

Also last year stemmed out 51 pages of info, JonW is getting about 10 pages of data a day so that is right on from last year, and then there the last couple of pages after the meet. So total posting this year on the thread should exceed last year, viewership is what is most important however.

JonAmo
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: racer on September 23, 2010, 11:59:37 AM
Come on Ack!
Rock n roll Rocky!
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Richard 2 on September 23, 2010, 12:00:14 PM
Agreed, nice recap.

SSS - this thread is going to exceed 10k hits today and there is still 2 full days remaining of the shoot out - WOW :-o

The Shootout 2009 had 47,122 hits last year... This seems to be about 1/4 of that, so far with two days left. I would estimate we might see 20K hits when its done.

JonAmo

Is that the number of post or visits
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 23, 2010, 12:00:47 PM
The Speed Demon rear end is back on the salt, and Land's End Lynda just radioed that the turbo is sitting at Land's End.  We're locked down -- but the turbo delivery guy will sneak to the pits so they can start that install, too.

Here's the Speed Demon crew truck hustling towards the pits:

(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202010/IMG_2670.jpg)

In other news, Rocky's putting on his helmet.  The wind has died down enough that they'll try to get in a run during this lull.  Stay tuned.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 23, 2010, 12:12:44 PM
Engines are running on the Ack Attack bike.  Bike is rolling, out of the pits and under way.

Rocky's in the throttle and sounds like he's having fun!

Through the one mile, shifting and hitting gears and rolling, through the two mile.

Entering the fourth mile.  Getting to the timed stretch.

Entry speed  302   kilo  306   mile  305  

Chute is out, through the ten, looking good.

We expect they'll look at the data and decide pretty quickly whether they'll make a run back here soon.  

Outriggers are down, slowing nicely, at the eleven mile.

For the sake of the discussion, remember that the FIM rules require, for a record, two runs in opposite directions within two hours, the average speeds of which must be above the existing record.  (*I don't know if there's a minimum increase - like the 1% for cars).  So, in other words, Rocky could make a handful of runs back and forth for four hours, and pick any two, one in each direction, the two of which have the fastest times and are within any two-hour portion of that four hours.  I THINK THAT'S THE WAY IT GOES.

Final numbers on that run:

Entry speed 302.2  kilo 306.5   mile 305.9   exit speed 307.4

Peak of 4mph wind from SSE at the tower during that run.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Bobby c on September 23, 2010, 12:18:53 PM
Refresh, Refresh, Refresh.........!
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: DallasV on September 23, 2010, 12:22:33 PM
Refresh, Refresh, Refresh.........!

I know right....Bag the camera, the next enhancement for the site should be auto-refresh. I've wore all the paint off my F5 key.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Richard 2 on September 23, 2010, 12:22:55 PM
Refresh, Refresh, Refresh.........!
Yep
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: debgeo on September 23, 2010, 12:23:06 PM
THANKS for great reporting. Hey Everyone that is enjoying this DO NOT FORGET TO HIT THE PAYPAL BUTTON
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Richard 2 on September 23, 2010, 12:26:40 PM
THANKS for great reporting. Hey Everyone that is enjoying this DO NOT FORGET TO HIT THE PAYPAL BUTTON

Did That
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: ol38y on September 23, 2010, 12:27:29 PM
Rocky's runs don't have to be consecutive for a record?
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: John Noonan on September 23, 2010, 12:31:13 PM
Rocky's runs don't have to be consecutive for a record?

Yes they do however they will look at the data from the last run and see what they need to do so they can qualify the bike on the 367mph record
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: John Noonan on September 23, 2010, 12:32:23 PM
THANKS for great reporting. Hey Everyone that is enjoying this DO NOT FORGET TO HIT THE PAYPAL BUTTON

Yep...gotta pay for the action and reporting, I am sure it's not cheap driving from the land of the Snow people and staying out there for several weeks covering the shows for us..
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 23, 2010, 12:33:18 PM
John, are you sure about the runs needing to be consecutive?  I overheard that they didn't -- and will, once he's free from his duties, ask FIM Charlie for the true scoop on the subject.  I don't want to mislead anyone -- will get the best answer possible so we all know for sure.  Thanks for posing the question.


In the meantime, Rocky will make a return run in 20-30 minutes.  He had some lean as he went through the timed stretch - wants a return run to confirm if it was wind or the bike with ill handling.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: ol38y on September 23, 2010, 12:34:43 PM
Rocky's runs don't have to be consecutive for a record?

Yes they do however they will look at the data from the last run and see what they need to do so they can qualify the bike on the 367mph record

I always thought they had to be consecutive.

Awaiting the scoop from FIM Charlie. Thanks SSS
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: landracing on September 23, 2010, 12:38:19 PM
I am pretty positive that they have to be consecutive runs.  He can run down, then back, then down again. But he has to use the consecutive paired runs. I may be wrong.... Looking foward to hearing the answer from FIM Charlie.

JonAmo
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Freud on September 23, 2010, 12:40:27 PM
Amo, I am certain that u are correct.

I remember when Don Vesco used that approach one time.

It's the last two runs that count.

FREUD
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: John Noonan on September 23, 2010, 12:40:49 PM
One run after another within the two hour window, he could run 370 and pass it up and then run another 370 and take it, then within the window of time (two hours) he has to complete the second run for an average speed higher than the record..I am not sure if the bikes have to beat the record by 1% however..
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Glen on September 23, 2010, 12:44:04 PM
Don't any of you biker guys have the FIM rule with you.  :-o
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Dean Los Angeles on September 23, 2010, 12:49:18 PM
The key to requiring two runs in different directions within two hours is to cancel wind-assisted runs.

For those of you that hold records at El Mirage when a racers wind was pushing down the track at 20 mph you know what I mean.

I would suppose you could make three runs in the two hour window and toss one of them as long as the other two are in opposite directions.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: John Noonan on September 23, 2010, 12:53:31 PM
Like was said earlier..only the last two count..if you toss out a qualifier and then make a faster run again then on the return pass you brake or fail to run a speed that would have given you the record you cannot go back and take the first run and pair it with the second run even if they were in  the two hour window and they were run in opposite directions..
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: landracing on September 23, 2010, 12:56:06 PM
I get a pass on that Glen, I'm a four wheeled guy at the moment.....

But yes there is a 1% rule for FIM bikes also.

JonAmo
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 23, 2010, 12:58:42 PM
Dave Petrali says that for FIA -- any two runs within the one hour window.  For instance, when the F1 cars were running a few years back they were running laps, and took the two fastest during a one-hour window.  Any two runs -- absolutely do not need to be consecutive.

Charlie Hennekam, (a/k/a FIM Charlie) is busy with the Ack bike at the far end - so I don't have the motorcycle rule answer yet.

Mike Akatiff is a half-hour from running, so we'll wait for Scott Horner to decide if he's going to make a test run soon.  He's putting the bodywork back on the bike now.

Yesterday's problems on the nitrous bike have been traced to a low pressure mother bottle and not enough nitrous (too much non-nitrous gas) in the bottle on the bike.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: landracing on September 23, 2010, 12:59:11 PM
Like was said earlier..only the last two count..if you toss out a qualifier and then make a faster run again then on the return pass you brake or fail to run a speed that would have given you the record you cannot go back and take the first run and pair it with the second run even if they were in  the two hour window and they were run in opposite directions..

I believe your wrong John.... As long as you have consecutive runs in oppositie directions within time frame you can use them. Remembers there is NO "Qualifier" for FIM or FIA... If you break on a run, then you can go back and use the last two consecutive runs.

JonAmo
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: ol38y on September 23, 2010, 01:00:23 PM
Like was said earlier..only the last two count..if you toss out a qualifier and then make a faster run again then on the return pass you brake or fail to run a speed that would have given you the record you cannot go back and take the first run and pair it with the second run even if they were in  the two hour window and they were run in opposite directions..

That's the way I always thought it worked. You take the chance of throwing out the first run in hopes of bettering it. If you don't you're SOL... But what do I know... :|
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: RayTheRat on September 23, 2010, 01:10:09 PM
Refresh, Refresh, Refresh.........!

I know right....Bag the camera, the next enhancement for the site should be auto-refresh. I've wore all the paint off my F5 key.

Either run Opera with the Reload Every feature or run Firefox and download the reload add-on.  Both work great.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 23, 2010, 01:11:59 PM
Here's a link to Murph's blog.  Follow this and you can have a nice rundown of the overnight thrash at the Spectre pit where they took out the big motor (528.5") and put in the little(r) one (485").  Read it and enjoy. . .

http://www.wherethehellismurph.blogspot.com/

Other than that, we're still waiting for the Ack bike to decide when they'll be running back this way.  Speed Demon is working on the car, Jack Rogers Realtors is working on the 757(2) car (having some fueling issues -- too rich, takes too long to clear out when coming off the push truck), Spectre is getting ready to run but no schedule yet, -- and lunchtime is drawing nigh.

Rocky is walking around up by the bike, and all suited up -- but no forecast of when they'll run.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: John Noonan on September 23, 2010, 01:13:55 PM
Like was said earlier..only the last two count..if you toss out a qualifier and then make a faster run again then on the return pass you brake or fail to run a speed that would have given you the record you cannot go back and take the first run and pair it with the second run even if they were in  the two hour window and they were run in opposite directions..

I believe your wrong John.... As long as you have consecutive runs in oppositie directions within time frame you can use them. Remembers there is NO "Qualifier" for FIM or FIA... If you break on a run, then you can go back and use the last two consecutive runs.

JonAmo


Wow then Charlie was wrong with what he told me when we set the FIM record at 252+ back in 2005, does not surprise me however..

Good to hear about the 1% rule however if you have the record..that means Rocky could run 370.00 mph average and still not get the record.. :-o
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: landracing on September 23, 2010, 01:19:23 PM
Im looking in the FIM book now, navigating thru it is painfull becuase road race stuff is also in there.

JonAmo
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 23, 2010, 01:21:17 PM
Remember that what I posted was from Dave Petrali about FIA.  I have not posted anything definitive about FIM yet.  I'll get that story to you when I can -- and then you can take it to the bank or to the FIM, which is more convenient.

Ack bikeis maybe 10 minutes from a run -- the wind is very low.  Nish car finally just fired up -- they've been chasing a no-ignition hassle all morning.  Spectre has run the little engine and is getting the car ready, but no decision onhow soon they'll run.  Speed Demon is working on the car, jack Rogers is working on the car, Scott Horner's bike is on the trailer and will go to the 8 mile and make a run down to the pits -- either right now or right after Rocky runs, depending on what Rocky decides to do.  He's got first dibs on the course -- and is about to get into the bike, Cook says on the radio as I type.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: joea on September 23, 2010, 01:26:33 PM
...Ack team must find something BIG to get it up to speed.....

Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: -Bob- on September 23, 2010, 01:27:45 PM
Like was said earlier..only the last two count..if you toss out a qualifier and then make a faster run again then on the return pass you brake or fail to run a speed that would have given you the record you cannot go back and take the first run and pair it with the second run even if they were in  the two hour window and they were run in opposite directions..

I believe your wrong John.... As long as you have consecutive runs in oppositie directions within time frame you can use them. Remembers there is NO "Qualifier" for FIM or FIA... If you break on a run, then you can go back and use the last two consecutive runs.

JonAmo


Wow then Charlie was wrong with what he told me when we set the FIM record at 252+ back in 2005, does not surprise me however..

Good to hear about the 1% rule however if you have the record..that means Rocky could run 370.00 mph average and still not get the record.. :-o

We had these discussions last year with Charlie about the LAMTRAK / G-Force snowmobile.

let say we have 4 good runs for a record in 2 hours:

220 mph ->

200 mph <-

190 mph ->

210 mph <-

the first 2 runs are good for a record even if we made other runs after
run 1 and 4 can not be combined for a record because they are not consecutive

Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 23, 2010, 01:29:39 PM
Rocky is in the bike, gave a thumbs up 'cause of great (no) wind, firing engines right now.

Bike is under way.  Wheels up, good leave, coming at us in a heck of a hurry, past the one mile.

By the two, coming fast.  Through the three, through the four mile.

Entry 297   kilo  307   mile  306  exit  314

Slowing, chute deployed, slowing, a mile from the pits,
 
Stopped on the course about 100 yards from the pit.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Livin1072 on September 23, 2010, 01:33:38 PM
Dang....  I hope Rocky and the Team find the Gremlins hiding under the bodywork...

Thanks for all the TOP NOTCH Reporting SSS  :cheers:
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: DallasV on September 23, 2010, 01:34:48 PM
looks as if the handling issues are more complex than just wind
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: joea on September 23, 2010, 01:41:18 PM
...Ack liner can run that fast on 50 % throttle and or 50 % boost.....
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 23, 2010, 01:44:08 PM
They're hand pushing the Ack bike back in to the pits, no idea of what, if anything, kept Rocky from putting down some even bigger numbers.   The Scott Horner team is ready to make a run from the 8 mile (up by the mountain end of the course) back to the pits.  Nish car is running and the breeze is bringing the fine bouquet of fuel to me here in the truck.  Ah, how nice. . .

Bike 1078, Scott Horner up, will be making his run in a few minutes.  He's suited up and ready to run.  Cook is now putting the "program" for the Camaro, the Spectre, and the Speed Demon together for the next few hours.  I'll letcha know when I hear anything.

Five minutes or less before Scott runs.

Update -- rider is getting on the bike right now.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 23, 2010, 01:50:03 PM
Scott is away from the start -- at about the 2 mile marker, heading the other way.

Bike is under way.  Through the five

entry  207.5,    kilo   207.4  mile  207.5

That's the turbo bike with bodywork.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: John Noonan on September 23, 2010, 01:51:13 PM
Jon,

Please talk to mike and ask if they are still having "handling" issues even when their is no wind present, ask him to look at the shock mounts to see if one of them is broken on the rear wheel as that happened to me when I went to ride it in 2005..it was not seen by me until after Charlie looked it over and it was inspected..

Hope it's something simple and that Rocky can lay down a nice record, funny thing is I don't think Rocky ever made any 300mph passes during an event and now he makes them every time with ease, Mike built a great machine that is rider friendly and Rocky makes it look easy.  :cheers:
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: John Noonan on September 23, 2010, 01:54:44 PM
Scott is away from the start -- at about the 2 mile marker, heading the other way.

Bike is under way.  Through the five

entry  207.5,    kilo   207.4  mile  207.5

That's the turbo bike with bodywork.


That must be without the boost turned up since the speeds are so low and so close in the entry, mile, and kilo or perhaps logging data before he turns it up?
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Glen on September 23, 2010, 02:04:09 PM
Does Scott have cruse control on that bike.  :roll:
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 23, 2010, 02:08:54 PM
Coupla things.  First of all, FIM Charlie says we all should have read the posts from last year -- when he answered that question.  FIM says two CONSECUTIVE runs within the 2-hour window.  End of discussion.

As for Scott's speeds being low -- the course is wet out there.  I didn't have the camera with me, but there's no question he found some wet salt.  He said the bike was pendulum-swinging and that's okay, but then it wanted to "walk" to one side in the gooey stuff so he had to pedal it quite a bit.  He's not going to make a return run now, even though there's no number in the class -- it's open.

Super news -- and this one just could be historic:

Nish has the car aboutready and wants to make a two-way run.  They'll trailer to the far end and start the run, then, assuming the down run is good, drive the car nder power in a U-turn here in the pits and just continue back up the course.  Dave Petrali has confirmed that there's no reason he couldn't do it (rules do not forbid), so we might have something really cool happening soon.

Speed Demon pit says they're ready to run, but will trailer the car to right where I'm sitting and wait.  Spectre is on the trailer and about halfway down the course to the mountain end for a run.  

Camaro 7572 is on the push truck and moving down to the 2 mile or so where they'll make a run right away.  They only get a five-mile course -- Cook doesn't want them running faster than any of the other competitors and "embarrassing" anyone.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 23, 2010, 02:09:57 PM
No cruise control on the bike, although I think I saw an XM radio head -- maybe Scott was listening to a mellow tune. . . :roll:

Camaro is running,  through the two and shut it off.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: DallasV on September 23, 2010, 02:17:16 PM

Super news -- and this one just could be historic:

Nish has the car aboutready and wants to make a two-way run.  They'll trailer to the far end and start the run, then, assuming the down run is good, drive the car nder power in a U-turn here in the pits and just continue back up the course.  Dave Petrali has confirmed that there's no reason he couldn't do it (rules do not forbid), so we might have something really cool happening soon.


Wow. Maybe they are going for the Ab Jenkins oval course record?
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: CTRon on September 23, 2010, 02:21:01 PM
So he plans to slow down from over 300 plus with no chute an just turn around?
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: landracing on September 23, 2010, 02:25:25 PM
Nish, Nearburg, Poteet and Burkland have all shown they can run the course and coast to a stop in their pits on a prepositioned tarp with NO Parachute. Burkland used just his air brakes the rest just have coasted to the end. Making the turn could be tricky with limited steering and judging the distance needed for a loop and not get stuck somewhere. Of course they all could maybe just gas it a little and whip a shitty at the end and go.

JonAmo
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 23, 2010, 02:26:11 PM
Good question about the chute/no chute thing.  Yeah, while I don't have an answer -- they're hoping to put down a good number and do a return run without shuttging down the motor.  Remember, though -- this is the 5 liter N/A motor-- so getting it whoa-ed down without a chute won't be quite such a chore.  I assume they've got their plans pretty well made.

Spectre is going to run first.  Amir is getting suited up.  Speed Demon is proceedig down the course to the mountain end, just like the Nish car.

Mike Akatiff took another quick look at the rear shock mounts when I asked him, John -- says that's not the problem, and now the bike is leaning left.  They're now serving lunch in the Ack pit while the bike gets gone over.  No formal time schedule for when Rocky will run again.

Jon, they might not be able to do a complete u-turn, you're right.  It's soft down at the freeway end -- Speed Demon had to get pushed from the soft stuff the other day when the car was being moved down there.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Glen on September 23, 2010, 02:27:26 PM
He has sprint car time as well, Al Teague did a return run one year and looked like a drift car
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: landracing on September 23, 2010, 02:27:53 PM
Do they still have the doors on the back of Ack Attack???
They have posed problems everytime they have run them.
JonAmo
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 23, 2010, 02:34:18 PM
Sorry -- forgot to tell you last night that the doors were removed from the Ack bike yesterday after the first or second run.  They're not on there, for sure.

They're duking it out at the far end now -- everyone is anxious to run.  This is getting exciting.  Nish is going first, I'm now told.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 23, 2010, 02:39:05 PM
Nish car is next.  Mike is in the car, getting ready to start the motor.  Running on the 230-mph (or so) record for a 5L n/a motor.  

Engine is running.  Appears they're looking for a number over 234 mph.

Canopy is down on the 998 car, being pushed by the truck now.

Car is under way, not accelerating worth a sh*t, still waiting for updated information from that end.

Aborted run, telling Spectre to get ready to run. 

Hats off to Mike Nish -- he pulled completely off the race track so that he'd be out of the way so the next car can run - even drove into the crunchies to make sure.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Stan Back on September 23, 2010, 02:46:54 PM
"Running on the 230-mph (or so) record for a 5L n/a motor."

Too bad Robbie Cohn didn't get his wheels -- he'd probably be able to do it.

Stan
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: DallasV on September 23, 2010, 02:50:00 PM
the scta record is 330 held by the nish liner
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 23, 2010, 02:50:25 PM
Stan, yes -- but no.  The class is for "specialty" vehicles, I believe, so streamliners, not Monza coupes, are what can run on the record.

Amir is getting into the car.  Going through final checks.  Given permission to start the vehicle.

Engine is running -- decent sounding hot rod Cadillac! :-D :-D :-D
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: RayTheRat on September 23, 2010, 02:55:33 PM
On quick shot from yesterday: 

a very dead and very dessicated (sniff, whimper) rat.

Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 23, 2010, 02:58:21 PM
Amir Rosenbaum in the Speed by Spectre A/BGS is warming the engines and about to leave the mountain end of the international course for a run down here.  He'll be running on an Al Teague 406 record from 2002.

Left the push truck, under power.

By the two, coming fast.  By the three.  By the four, entering the timed stretch.

Entry speed   375   kilo  380   mile   chute deployed

Approaching the pits, under control, slowing nicely.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 23, 2010, 03:06:16 PM
Spectre was slow -- Amir reports low on power, not going to try a return run 'til they figure out what's what.

George Poteet is getting dressed and they're icing the intercooler.  In the meantime, the Nish crew is setting a record in their crew truck -- rushing a hacksaw to the Speed Demon crew at the far end.

Ah-ha!  Let me amend what I said a few lines earlier.  The hacksaw was for the Nish car.  The deeper story --and explanation about the aborted run -- was they hadn't run the little motor with the bodywork on.  When they put the fiberglass on -- the throttle linkage hit the body and wouldn't move right.  Ergo the hacksaw.  They'll do a quick modification and be ready to run.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: joea on September 23, 2010, 03:12:33 PM
Ray...who detailed your car..?...the reflection is remarkable...

Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Freud on September 23, 2010, 03:16:17 PM
115 loafers signed on..........I guess there really is unemployment around the world.

FREUD
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Glen on September 23, 2010, 03:18:20 PM
Yeah and your one of them
 :cheers:
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: 4-barrel Mike on September 23, 2010, 03:19:09 PM
Wonder how many were hitting refresh when the server overloaded a few minutes ago??

Mike
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: fredvance on September 23, 2010, 03:19:45 PM
I resemble that remark!! :roll:The loafer part. But I can do that, I'm self employed. :evil:
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Freud on September 23, 2010, 03:20:51 PM
Barrett, it seems that you are watching me.

We are in  g r e a t  company.

FREUD
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: desotoman on September 23, 2010, 03:22:42 PM
Freud,

Maybe next year you will be at this meet with Marlo and crew.

Tom G.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: jimmy six on September 23, 2010, 03:23:23 PM
I have to keep sneaking back to take apeek...Not allowed to stay on line.........JD
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 23, 2010, 03:24:00 PM
Okay, Speed Demon is running, canopy is down, about to leave the far end.

Car is moving.  Through the zero.  Being careful --lots of new parts.  Wait -- George drive slow?  Ain't likely to happen. . .
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Freud on September 23, 2010, 03:24:16 PM
I'll let Marlo answer Desotoman.

I an just the messenger.

FREUD
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 23, 2010, 03:26:11 PM
Through the two and shut it down after the three, coasting.  Smoke coming from the car, fire and ambulance rolling towards him, still moving fast, lots of smoke, through the five.

Appears to be coming through the exhaust pipe, slowing, no chute, pit fire truck has rolled from the pit.

Car has stopped on the tarp, looks like oil through the exhaust caught fire.  Cap on the exhaust pipe, lots of excitement in the Speed Demon pit.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: jdincau on September 23, 2010, 03:27:31 PM
How close to the ground are the skirts on Speed Demon?
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: hutchamatic on September 23, 2010, 03:30:29 PM
Is George OK?
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 23, 2010, 03:31:37 PM
Less than an inch of ground clearance from the rubber skirts on the Speed Demon.

George is out of the car.  I heard one quick blast from a fire extinguisher, but nothing else.  Everyone is standing by the car -- not much can be bad if they're all that close.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: hutchamatic on September 23, 2010, 03:32:02 PM
Thanks for the updates. Yall are doing a great job. Almost as if I was there, keeping me on the edge of my seat.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 23, 2010, 03:36:27 PM
The worrisome stuff is over -- and so is the last (the brand new) turbo on the Speed Demon.  So -- fire and ambulance are heading back to station near the tower, and Nish crew is rarin' to go. 

Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: hutchamatic on September 23, 2010, 03:36:51 PM
If I send my money through paypal how does RTR and SSS get the money?  I want to send a donation to them.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 23, 2010, 03:45:07 PM
Nish is about ready to run, but will not do a hot lap -- will use chute and go to the pit for a quick check.

About donating -- I've got the Paypal account set up to feed the landracing.com checking account, so I can pay the bills through that method.  I pay the server company via their Paypal and write checks for the rest.  Yes, there's a fee to use Paypal -- it's not enough to be more than a minor inconvenience versus the ease of you folks being able to donate easily.

Nish car is running, canopy is going down.

Car is on the push truck and is underway.  

Past the zero mile and moving out.  By the two mile, moving well. 
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: RayTheRat on September 23, 2010, 03:46:19 PM
My AT&T air card will never drop a connection on me again.  I think it mighta fallen outta the Burb and got run over.

I'm not sayin nuttin about the power-braking and wheelspin that could possibly have led to its untimely demise.


Vengeance is MINE. sayeth ME!

(Connected via Android tether.)
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 23, 2010, 03:47:28 PM
Nish is by the four mile, entering the timed mile/kilo.

Entry speed   315   kilo   317.8   mile 317.8   exit 320.4

Talk about cruise control?

He drove it into the pits, no chute, all brakes, great driving.  Blipped the throttle as he got under the awning and shut it off -- perfect.  Thanks for the quick blip, Mike -- gave us a nice whiff of fuel. :evil: :evil: :evil:

Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Glen on September 23, 2010, 03:48:26 PM
That's half of it.
 :cheers:
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: RayTheRat on September 23, 2010, 03:49:24 PM
When SSS gets the Paypal donations, he sends me a check.  Not to worry, system works fine and your donations are truly appreciated.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: landracing on September 23, 2010, 03:49:39 PM
That is awesome Ray the (living) Rat...

I had really good luck with verizon and that card.

Maybe we need to donate to you an IPAD that would be no aircard involved.

I hacked android works just as well.

JonAmo
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: hutchamatic on September 23, 2010, 03:50:03 PM
Thanks and money sent. Yall keep up the great work.  :cheers:
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 23, 2010, 03:56:27 PM
I'll be off the air for a few minutes -- gotta deliver food to course workers during the turnaround.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: RayTheRat on September 23, 2010, 04:09:13 PM
Here's George's 3rd (and possibly last) turbo going south.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Malcolm UK on September 23, 2010, 04:15:42 PM
The FIM (motorcycle rules) seems to have dropped the 1% rule.  I think Mike Ack confirmed its demise during postings on last years shoot out.  The FIA have kept their 1% ruling and even apply it to their 'World Records'.

If you vehicle is capable of running many times on the straight (or 'open') course then you can pair 1&2, then 2&3, then 3&4, etc...assuming odd numbers are in one direction and evens in the opposite.  Runs 1 and 4 together is a combination that is not allowed.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 23, 2010, 04:18:53 PM
Mission of mercy is completed -- we delivered food to the course worker and Drew Gatewood, the bike inspector, and are at the tower to watch Mike Nish make a pass or two -- that might be a two way run.  Mike Akatiff and crew and Speed Demon Crew and everyone down there are working to turn the car around.  Great sportsmanship.

Car is moving out to the track.  I'll be outside the truck -- gotta be at the tower  and see a fast hot rod run.  You can all be jealous of us for a few minutes -- be right back.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: RayTheRat on September 23, 2010, 04:19:44 PM
This is the Spectre liner with the chute deployed earlier.

Slim just made a mercy food run, bringing some chow to a few who were in dire need of it.  As a way of rewarding him, Mike Cook suggested that Slim might wanna get a good view of things by going to "the middle of the mile."  I'm not sure if he meant to stand in the center of the course, but it got a few chuckles.  Slim and Nancy are at the timing stand for the moment and I'm at about the 7 mile mark waiting for Nish to make another run.

Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 23, 2010, 04:25:42 PM
Nish has completed the run.  Speeds were entry  254  kilo  258  mile  258   exit  262.

Not as good as the first run, but still plenty for a record.  They will not make a return run at this time.  Salt is unlocked for a while, and the sit on bikes will run next.

Dang, thank you folks so much for encouraging Nancy and me to be out here -- this is the absolute best place there is.  I wish you were all here -- but we'll do our best to bring it to you.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Glen on September 23, 2010, 04:34:04 PM
287.mph avg.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: RayTheRat on September 23, 2010, 04:35:48 PM
Just confirmed as a record pending verification by FIA.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 23, 2010, 04:36:51 PM
Averages for the Nish car:

Kilo  285.359,   mile  285.306   Per James Rice.  Congratulations to the Nish Family and team.


Next up will be the Scott Horner sit on bikes, running from the 2 to the 9 and back.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: desotoman on September 23, 2010, 04:39:01 PM
Congratulations to the Nish team. I know it is not the record they wanted but at least they will not be going away empty handed. And who knows maybe they can up the record they just set.

Tom G.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Glen on September 23, 2010, 04:41:03 PM
Note: Speeds are calculated  using ET for FIA, MPH is used by SCTA. Slight differences in the end result
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 23, 2010, 04:41:30 PM
Scott is about to make his run, rider is on the bike, wind is 7-10 tailwind/quartering fromthe highway at the tower, 6-8 from the freeway at the 7.  Course is clear, bike is moving.

Through the three mile, through the four.

Entry speed is 232   kilo is 223.9   mile   225

Driving down the course, stopped at the 7 1/4 and course worker is going out to check on him.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Glen on September 23, 2010, 04:43:21 PM
They can always make two more runs for another shot. I didn't have the ET's when they ran and did a quick calc. with the two speeds.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: John Noonan on September 23, 2010, 04:45:51 PM
Hope Scott is OK...
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: desotoman on September 23, 2010, 04:46:18 PM
Any chance we will see the Amo-Steele Streamliner at one of the shootout events?

I miss the 411 running.   :-( :-( :-(

Tom G.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 23, 2010, 04:47:16 PM
Scott Horner is going to trailer his bike to the pit -- not ride it, not make a return run at least for now.  I'm heading for the bluye room -- back ina minnit.  Scott's okay as far as I know -- he's talking with the course worker -- sounds like he's not happy with the bike/the tuneup and will go to the pit for a little while.

The Camaro might run again soon.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Freud on September 23, 2010, 04:47:52 PM
Many things I don't undersand but one thing I do know;

3600 divided by the number of seconds is MPH.

It doesn't seem  that there can be any variation unless it is the number of decimal points after the whole number.

Educate me, Please, you mathematical wizards.

The car only runs one speed thru the mile.....it matters not how it is arrived at.

It's not like the bank figuring your mortgage payment.

FREUD
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Glen on September 23, 2010, 04:51:46 PM
FIA uses all of the dec. points. In SCTA the program converts the ET. 3 dec. points to MPH and there is a difference in the totals. SCTA does not round up the numbers.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Tom Slick on September 23, 2010, 04:56:51 PM
Please correct me if I'm mistaken, but I vaguely remember a preliminary entry list for this event coming out earlier this year and that list included the 411 Burkland streamliner? Just wondering if that was at all a possibility, or have the Burkland's parked the 411 permanently?
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: hayaboosta on September 23, 2010, 05:00:53 PM
All is good thanks JN. Found some moist salt ( better than the soup) and got some hp down. Stopped short to minimize the salt on the bike.  Bike ran great, I had to REALLY feather it in the mile, the back end was racing the front to the finish.  Thanks for your help John N!   :cheers:
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Dean Los Angeles on September 23, 2010, 05:04:39 PM
3600/seconds is for the mile only.

Using Speed Demon's run:
3600/8.711=413.270577430835
3600/8.711291=413.256772159259
3600/8.712=413.223140495868

SCTA timing using 3 decimal places resolves to 0.0474369349668109 mph
FIA timing using 6 decimal places resolves to 0.0000474392056162287 mph

And Glen, as usual, is right!


Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 23, 2010, 05:06:16 PM
Thanks for saving me the time and giving a better story, Scott.  

Okay, the Spectre team fired up the motor while I was on my sabbatical to the PP just now.  Ken explains that they made a half-way decent pass, but are re-tuning and hoping to get back on the race course soon.

Now I hear the Spectre team is getting in the truck.  The Rogers Camaro is running right next to Nancy and me.

Ack Attack team are flying out to San Jose to get more tires.  Rocky still has handling issues -- they're going to try to find more/better/different(?) tires so he can open the throttle.  He says the bike has all the power he wants for now -- but he can't ride it with the funky tires.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Freud on September 23, 2010, 05:07:45 PM
If the round up is the difference between 3 decimal points and more than 3 it can't be much of a variance.

 4 or more will lower the result unless they are all ZEROs.

That's what Einstein said in his last speech.

FREUD
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Freud on September 23, 2010, 05:10:08 PM
QUOTE:  And Glen, as usual, is right!


So is Glenn FREUD and Einstein.

The time when they are equal is when all the numbers beyond 3 decimal points are ALL ZEROS.


FREUD
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: smitty2 on September 23, 2010, 05:12:17 PM
Slim... Thanks to you and Nancy... RaytheRat, and all the rest of the folks that are letting us in on what's going on. I cant' get photos on these durn DOD computers, but I can look at them when I get home next week. I've just spent 3 months in Kuwait getting training equipment ready to go to Buttheadastan ( So of course I missed SW again, but will be there fer sure next year!)
 I will be back in the states next week, and if I have any money left in the bank I'll send you some Golden Croners.
Thank again....     Smitty    :cheers:
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Elmo Rodge on September 23, 2010, 05:13:09 PM
If the round up is the difference between 3 decimal points and more than 3 it can't be much of a variance.

 4 or more will lower the result unless they are all ZEROs.

That's what Einstein said in his last speech.

FREUD
Actually it wasn't a speech. It was a private conversation with Butch at the starting line at El Mirage. Ask him about it sometime. Wayno
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 23, 2010, 05:15:28 PM
jack Rogers Camaro, driven by Steve Strupp, is under way.  He'll run three miles.  They're tuning -- and having fun.  Big smiles on Steve's face, on Jack's, on everyone.  What a rush to run on darn-near private course, hey?

Through the three mile, sounding sweet.  Chute out at the three and a half -- no speeds.

Turned towards the mountains, all's okay, Spectre car is on the way to the 12 mile for a run.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Freud on September 23, 2010, 05:22:39 PM
Wayno, Einstein said the same thing more than once in his life.

As I recall it was in 1941 in New Mexico when they were considering a beer run.

ETA was important to them.



FREUD
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Andy Cooke on September 23, 2010, 05:37:54 PM
QUOTE:  And Glen, as usual, is right!


So is Glenn FREUD and Einstein.

The time when they are equal is when all the numbers beyond 3 decimal points are ALL ZEROS.


FREUD

doesn't relativity mean that the time for the mile measured inside the vehicle will be different to that of the beams  :?
I'll go back to my lathe, I think I understand that :)
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 23, 2010, 05:52:58 PM
Speed Demon is putting the bigger V-8 in the car now.  They still have one turbo remaining so will try the 347-inch motor with that one blower.  The motor is just being hooked to the hoist -- won't run 'til tomorrow morning, no doubt.

Amir Rosenbaum is about ready to make a run - which we know 'cause the helicopter has lifted off.  They're icing the intercooler now -- probably 15 minutes, at least, 'til they run.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 23, 2010, 05:55:33 PM
Spectre is supposedly only three or four minutes from a run now.  Got enough ice in your drink to last a little while?

We're locked down.

Engine is running, canopy is closed.

By the way, they've just fired up the Nish engine in the pit.  Good to hear.

Back to Spectre -- the car is under way.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Freud on September 23, 2010, 05:59:25 PM
What's the big deal.......timing to seven decimal points and presenting the record to 3 decimal points?

FREUD

Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 23, 2010, 06:00:52 PM
Spectre is through the zero mile at the mountain end of the international course.  Through the one, heads up, here he comes!

By the three and running fast.  By the four, entering the measured mile.

Entry speed   401   kilo   409   mile 408   exit  chute is out

Thanks, Mike Cook.  When's the last time any of us were at a meet with four cars over 400 mph?  COOL!!! :cheers:
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: JoshH on September 23, 2010, 06:03:05 PM
Yeahhhhh baby!!! Way to go Amir!!!
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: JoshH on September 23, 2010, 06:07:22 PM
SSS - is Amir OK?
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 23, 2010, 06:08:58 PM
Man, that brings tears to my eyes.  The car stopped about 200 yards short of the pit, so the Speed Demon crew all ran out to gather the chute and Ron got in the SD push truck to push Amir into the pit.  Sportsmanship is great.

Nish is going to trailer to the 12 mile during the Spectre turnaround.

Spectre will probably make a return run.  Spectre  entry 401  mile  408.9  kilo 409.1  exit 415

53 minutes remain 'til the window closes.

Is Amir okay?  Well, probably has a silly grin on his face and won't get it off for quite a while.

Nish just rolled past us headed for the 12.

Checking on the statistic rightnow -- but this might have been the fastest pass ever for any car, on gasoline.  We're researching -- you folks are welcome to see if you can confirm it, too.

By the way, it sounds like he'll need a 412 return run to get the record he's chasing - must be about 410, right?
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Bobby c on September 23, 2010, 06:14:00 PM
Wow! How Cool!!!!
Thank you again SSS, RTR, Max and all who contributed from the Salt!
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: JoshH on September 23, 2010, 06:16:00 PM
Isn't he running on the 406.321 kilo and 405.861 mile records?
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 23, 2010, 06:16:50 PM
Yes, and he's gotta exceed the old record by at least 1%.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Elmo Rodge on September 23, 2010, 06:19:28 PM
Stunning. Darned old cast iron lump.  :wink: Wayno
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Bob Drury on September 23, 2010, 06:20:18 PM
  415 with a iron block Cad 500 motor.......................  and they said hot rodding was dead!!!!!!!!!!!
  I havn't eaten this many Oreo's since the last crop came in .......... and thank God for the two water jugs near my feet.  
  I am totally f---ing amazed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!    :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: JoshH on September 23, 2010, 06:21:56 PM
OK so he needs to average better then 410.384 in the kilo and 409.920 in the mile

based on the first run numbers he needs 412 in kilo and 411 in the mile
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 23, 2010, 06:22:44 PM
And remember, Bob -- this is the A motor, not the AA -- they hurt the 527 so swapped to the 485 last night.  Your basic hot rod motor, though -- even a cast crankshaft.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: joea on September 23, 2010, 06:23:21 PM
sss...in your travels can you get us some insight from the SD crew on
their thoughts about the turbo' failures...very intriguing..tight AR..?..

Horner/Williams...way to go guys...YOUR out there...getting after it...!!!!

Joe :)
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Glen on September 23, 2010, 06:25:04 PM
The Spectre car is the 12th wheel driven vehicle to exceed 400 mph. No thrust or prop power. :-D
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Rchop on September 23, 2010, 06:30:15 PM
Wow, what a great read. I've been driving all day headed to Maxton and just had 9 pages of exciting racing to read about. We will miss you at Maxton this weekend Jon, but I'm glad you're there :cheers:
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Dean Los Angeles on September 23, 2010, 06:31:08 PM
Does that include the Vesco Turbinator and Bluebird CN7?

How many piston driven?

And who are the golden 12?
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: JoshH on September 23, 2010, 06:32:58 PM
By the way, it sounds like he'll need a 412 return run to get the record he's chasing - must be about 410, right?

based on the first run numbers he needs 412 in kilo and 411 in the mile
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: racefanwfo on September 23, 2010, 06:34:29 PM
how come the 411 streamliner is not running at this meet.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: 836dstr on September 23, 2010, 06:37:10 PM
A question while we're waiting. Why is there a one hour turnaround for cars and two hours for bikes?

Tom
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Glen on September 23, 2010, 06:39:42 PM
A question while we're waiting. Why is there a one hour turnaround for cars and two hours for bikes?

Tom
[/quote

Ask the French, I ask this questions several years ago, still it don't make sense
]
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 23, 2010, 06:40:32 PM
In specific answer to the query about the 411 Burkland Family car not being here -- you'll have to ask them.  I don't know.

Amir is getting into the Spectre car right now and is about ready to make the return run.  Here in the pits there's a cross wind about 6-9 mph.  I haven't heard the wind numbers down the course -- will let you know when I hear 'em.

As for the one hour/two hour window -- unh, that's another one that's been chewed very thoroughly here -- and there's no easy answer from my point of view.  You'll need to get your answer from FIA and FIM.

Good news -- the helicopter is about to lift off.  Last body panel going on the car, Amir (the driver) is in the car, course is locked down and nobody's moving ('cept the chopper, and he's up and out of the way).
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Bob Drury on September 23, 2010, 06:41:27 PM
  Racefan, I spoke with Tom Burkland at Speedweek, and he doesn't like driving on dirt, having crashed the car once....................... Bob


  Tom, the bikers need a few beers to calm their nerves...................... :cheers:
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Dynoroom on September 23, 2010, 06:42:21 PM
sss...in your travels can you get us some insight from the SD crew on
their thoughts about the turbo' failures...very intriguing..tight AR..?..

Horner/Williams...way to go guys...YOUR out there...getting after it...!!!!

Joe :)

Joe, take a close look at the picture of the turbine on page 4. Then do a search of how a proper friction weld looks.
I can't tell well enough from the pictures but something doesn't look quite right...... IMHO
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 23, 2010, 06:44:44 PM
The crew and spectators are hand-pushing the car to the starting point.  17 minutes remain in the window, car is positioned at the start line, will run in less than five minutes.  Push truck is no at the rear of the car.  Helicopter is hovering over the car.  Chopper don't stand no chance at all if they try to race, hey?


Engine is running on the Spectre car, course is clear, canopy is going down.

Car is moving on the push truck.

Car is at the one mile on it's own.   Sure sounded bumpy here at the start of the run-- dusty, two.

Chute out and engine off at the two mile.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: 836dstr on September 23, 2010, 06:47:57 PM
Glen,

You're right, it's a French thing. No rhyme or reason.

Tom
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 23, 2010, 06:49:21 PM
Car is stopped at the 3 1/2, canopy is open, no smoke.  

Scott Horner is ready to make a run on the sit on turbo bike.  They're thinking about it -- and don't forget that Nish is at the 12 mile waiting to make a run.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: John Noonan on September 23, 2010, 06:50:30 PM
Darn... :x
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: HotRodVon on September 23, 2010, 06:51:07 PM
Oh man, that's a bummer... :x

Keven
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: JoshH on September 23, 2010, 06:52:25 PM
Broke it...?
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Glen on September 23, 2010, 06:54:30 PM
Vehicles over 400
Cobb,Thompson, Summers,Vesco,Burklands,Teague,White,Campbell,Nearburg,Poteet/Main,Nish,Spectre/Amir

Campbell turbine 4 wheel drive,
Vesco Turbine 4 wheel drive
4, 2 wheel drive
6, 4 wheel drive
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: 4-barrel Mike on September 23, 2010, 07:00:02 PM
This will need to be updated  :cheers:

http://www.landracing.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=6&Itemid=20 (http://www.landracing.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=6&Itemid=20)

Mike
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: RayTheRat on September 23, 2010, 07:02:26 PM
Broke it...?

According to the reports I got, yes.  There was a puff of smoke and they said, "It broke."

Amir WAS grinning from ear to ear during the turnaround.  And for what it's worth, gettin 4 cars over 400 in 4 days is frikkin ossum!!!  I really feel bad for those who broke stuff...especially Jet Bike Mike.  But....that's racin'.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: JoshH on September 23, 2010, 07:05:30 PM
Broke it...?

According to the reports I got, yes.  There was a puff of smoke and they said, "It broke."

Amir WAS grinning from ear to ear during the turnaround.  And for what it's worth, gettin 4 cars over 400 in 4 days is frikkin ossum!!!  I really feel bad for those who broke stuff...especially Jet Bike Mike.  But....that's racin'.


And don't forget this is only the second meet with Amir driving. The car has only been to three meets since its complete rebuild. Nothing to be ashamed of, still remarkable!
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Richard 2 on September 23, 2010, 07:06:40 PM
SSS,  Could find out about the finial gear ratio and trans used, overdrive or not. In the Speed Demon while things are slowed down later.
Thanks Rick  
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 23, 2010, 07:07:51 PM
The Nish car is about to make a run from the mountain end to the pits.  We're locked down, waiting for Mike to get into the car.

I'll ask about gearing and such in the Speed Demon -- when the dust has settled later on.

Okay, back to the Nish car.  The engine is running, the car is moving.

Through the zero, off the push truck.  

Through the one mile

By the two, coming fast says the course worker.

By the three and gaining speed.   By the four, by the five, through the five,

entry speed 304   kilo   308   exit speed 311
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: desotoman on September 23, 2010, 07:11:13 PM
I think the Spectre car gets the record for the fastest cast crank. I never thought one would go over 400. They have some great tuners on that car.

Tom G.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 23, 2010, 07:16:07 PM
Entry   304.9   kilo  308   mile  308  exit 311

Car is in the pit,  engine off, all looks good so far.  I'm sure they'll try a turnaround -- those numbers were good enough that if they can do 'em again -- they'll bump their record if they can make a pair of them.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Elmo Rodge on September 23, 2010, 07:16:26 PM
Hey Jon. .
 Thanx for everything while I was there.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Glen on September 23, 2010, 07:26:37 PM
Isn't there a bunch of Ausys running around there in a Caddy watching the runs.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: dpc1235 on September 23, 2010, 07:26:42 PM
This is a great play by play. what is up with  horner/williams? tell scott to take the training wheels off.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: 1212FBGS on September 23, 2010, 07:27:23 PM
Boy the shock loads from that bumpy course sure has tore up some driveline parts
kent
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 23, 2010, 07:29:09 PM
Scott is out there on the course and is about to make a run -- engine was running, stalled, trying to restart.

Engine running, bike is moving.  Through the three mile.  He's on the turbo 'Busa with bodywork.

Entry speed  228   kilo   223  exit 222  

Nish is still working on the car - has about a half-hour left in the window.  Will give you specifics soon.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 23, 2010, 07:51:15 PM
Nish team is still working on the car in the pits.  They're starting to run short on minutes -- thinking that it takes them more than just a few to get the car rolling once they're in position.  They are informed about the time on a regular basis by Cook -- he's in their pit and keeping in touch with the tower (wherein resides the clock).

Good -- they just fired the engine.  Ah, that's good to hear.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 23, 2010, 07:58:09 PM
The Spectre car ate a turbo on that last run -- not sure why, they report, but they're going to switch it out for oneof the spares.  Dang -- this event might set a record for the number of hurt turbochargers.

Time to lock down - Nish car is still in the pit but dang close ready to move.  Engine is running again.  Sounds to me that they're having trouble getting it to stay running - stay tuned.

It's getting exciting -- the car is still in the pit.  There's only 11 minutes remaining in the time window, and timing tower just reminded everyone that the car must trip the EXIT clock before the end of the one hour period.  Remember when the Thrust car made the speeds -- but was about one minute late and so missed backing up the record?  Same kind of thing here.

Speed Demon will run in the morning.

Nish is powering through the turnaround and will pass us in a few seconds.  This is Frickin' GREAT STUFF!!

Motor died on the turnaround, the push truck shoved him and he bumped it going, then never got touchedby the push truck again -- it just escorted him for a ffew hundred feet as he rolled into it.

Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: 1212FBGS on September 23, 2010, 08:05:38 PM
well i guess id better check the filter in my turbo feed lines before the world finals.... don't want bad turbo mojo
Kent
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 23, 2010, 08:06:23 PM
Entry speed 248 -- shut off.  Coasting through timed stretch.

DA M N!
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: 1212FBGS on September 23, 2010, 08:06:53 PM
damn!
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: mkilger on September 23, 2010, 08:08:38 PM
mother&%#@er
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Richard 2 on September 23, 2010, 08:09:07 PM
FORD
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: cree on September 23, 2010, 08:09:18 PM
Great work Jon.
Thanks
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: RayTheRat on September 23, 2010, 08:09:55 PM
mother&%#@er

Yeah. What he said.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Glen on September 23, 2010, 08:12:33 PM
I agree as well Rat for both of you guys. It's not easy being everywhere and digging for info. Most off the racers are really cool about talking about their vehicles
 :cheers:
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Glen on September 23, 2010, 08:15:15 PM
Is it over for the day????
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: mkilger on September 23, 2010, 08:16:06 PM
what Glen is it your bed time already :evil:
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Glen on September 23, 2010, 08:17:26 PM
ran out of scotch Mike, need to run to the store.
 :cheers:
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Tom Slick on September 23, 2010, 08:19:05 PM
Man, "The price of admission got me the whole seat, but I only needed the EDDDDDGE!" That was awesome play by play SSS :cheers:
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: RayTheRat on September 23, 2010, 08:22:26 PM
No, not over.  The fire truck has a flat tire. SSS just headed out that way with an impact wrench and sockets.  The bike is still gonna run.  I just barely heard that the fire truck is "back up and running."  Musta been a NASCAR style pit stop.

Bike is ready to run.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Freud on September 23, 2010, 08:22:52 PM
Total of 115 viewers on right now.

FREUD
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: mkilger on September 23, 2010, 08:24:06 PM
Tell Kurt to take it easy on the Fire truck
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Bob Drury on September 23, 2010, 08:25:32 PM
  Slim, I either PayPalled you $250 or $2500 when Amir went 415.  Not sure of the decimal placement.  Please send back any extra if it was the latter.  
p.s.  Give Ray Fifty, or more if you are a crook.................. :-D
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Richard 2 on September 23, 2010, 08:26:35 PM
Entry speed 248 -- shut off.  Coasting through timed stretch.

DA M N!
So what happen to Nish.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Tom Liberatore on September 23, 2010, 08:28:17 PM
I agree as well Rat for both of you guys. It's not easy being everywhere and digging for info. Most off the racers are really cool about talking about their vehicles
 :cheers:
 It sure wasn't easy tracking Ray down at the WOS to give him his official Pepperoni Bros. bribe, sorry that I wasn't able to get any goodies to the good folks in the timing tower :oops:
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 23, 2010, 08:33:52 PM
Scott Horner just ran.  The fire truck tire is fixed.  Scott's speeds were hard to hear but I'll get a repeat in a minute-- was busy meeting Ron, a guitar player in the Charlie Pride band -- who's out here right now for a lookie-see.

Scott's speeds were 216 entry, 215 kilo,  219  mile.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Papi on September 23, 2010, 08:41:17 PM
This is great stuff. This whole thread is full of Win  :cheers:

You guys doing the play by play got me motivated to pack the trailer early for WF.
Man I can't wait to get there!!

Cheers and Congrats to the 400's.

Thank you SSS, Ray, Jon and all for the great reporting.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: little max on September 23, 2010, 08:46:47 PM
I`m exhausted.great job posting thruout the wos. Spectre kicked ass, got a little Iron on the salt.Spirit of Rett ,Fast !!! Tire Problems with Ack and Rocky,Tires are always the Issues when your at them speeds.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 23, 2010, 08:54:34 PM
Shoulda had a camera -- a Tooele county sheriff car tried crossing from the freeway to the track -- and got it stuck in the mud.  He got out thanks to a tug from Mike cook, which is really surprising since Cook got a written warning from the po-lice earlier today.  He's out, whatever.

In other news, here are the Speed Demon ratios -- rear, QC, and trans.  Ian, the Speed Demon self-proclaimed nerd, is watching the coverage of the event on this website and just walked over with a sheet of figures for youse guys.

Speed Demon gears:

Rear end   1.840  total ratio

Ring & pinion   2.30

Quick change   0.80  (20T/25T)

Transmission:  3.13 / 2.05 / 1.36 / 1.13 / 1.00


The Camaro just ran.  Speeds were:  entry  239   kilo  242   exit  245

Chute out, car slowing nicely.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Richard 2 on September 23, 2010, 08:57:26 PM
Could the extra length of the runs be to much for the turbo's. Just a thought.
Thanks for the info SSS
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Howard on September 23, 2010, 08:59:34 PM
Just a note to thank all of you for your outstanding efforts to keep us "homeboys" up to date on what is going on. I also want to thank everyone for their kind words and emails about the Nearburg car. Most of you know that I designed and built the car in my barn, ran it until I had my back fused, sold it to Earl Wooden who got in the three Chapter and then sold it to Charles Nearburg. Two great guys who started searching for the cars potential.
I am humbled and proud. The car has exceeded my expectations.
Howard Nafzger
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Glen on September 23, 2010, 09:06:09 PM
Howard, you did good, the first liner is still setting records as is this one. Hope you are doing well. We miss you at Bonneville. Hope you can be there next year to see them run.  :-)
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 23, 2010, 09:13:14 PM
That's PROBABLY the end of things for today.  Speed Demon got the engine (347" turbo) running earlier -- likely will run first thing in the morning -- 8AM forecast.

By the way, the turbo issue on the small (299") engine was an oiling issue -- with improper placement of the return line meaning that oil backed up into the bearing of the turbo, bypassed into the hot side, got coked, then would cause the failure.  I think I got that right -- Ian gave me the story.  He'll probably check this and come scold me for not listening carefully enough.  Whatever -- they've found the problem.  It's from the windage tray's placement.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Richard 2 on September 23, 2010, 09:21:17 PM
Thanks for everything Slim, Ray, Mike and Crew and Ian
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: saltfever on September 23, 2010, 09:29:40 PM
Hey Ray, where do I find the "auto-refresh" plug-in for Firefox? I have checked add-ons, downloads, extensions, and plug-ins with no joy. I'm getting a stiff neck looking from the bottom of the page (the last post) to the top for a refresh in IE.  :-D
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: 4-barrel Mike on September 23, 2010, 09:37:49 PM
Huh!  Using Sum's spreadsheet for speeds in gear, with a 1.80:1 final drive and a 29" tire, 9000 rpm results in 431.37 mph (no slippage  :-) )

Wonder what the actual figures are.

Mike
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Glen on September 23, 2010, 09:53:32 PM
That's what my Isky dream wheel says.
 :cheers:
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: DahMurf on September 23, 2010, 10:09:02 PM
F5 = refresh
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: RayTheRat on September 23, 2010, 10:27:10 PM
Hey Ray, where do I find the "auto-refresh" plug-in for Firefox? I have checked add-ons, downloads, extensions, and plug-ins with no joy. I'm getting a stiff neck looking from the bottom of the page (the last post) to the top for a refresh in IE.  :-D

I gave ya the wrong name.  It's ReloadEvery:
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/115/

Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: RayTheRat on September 23, 2010, 10:29:00 PM
Entry speed 248 -- shut off.  Coasting through timed stretch.

DA M N!
So what happen to Nish.

I heard broken driveshaft, of all things...maybe the driveshaft virus crossed the pits from P&M.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Richard 2 on September 23, 2010, 10:33:31 PM
Huh!  Using Sum's spreadsheet for speeds in gear, with a 1.80:1 final drive and a 29" tire, 9000 rpm results in 431.37 mph (no slippage  :-) )

Wonder what the actual figures are.

Mike

You think they're running 29" tires
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: k.h. on September 23, 2010, 10:34:49 PM
Ray, from my nosebleed elevation cheap seat far from the stage, you and Jon have reached a new level of getting the info, and photos, out to us.  Thanks to you both.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Richard 2 on September 23, 2010, 10:36:43 PM
Entry speed 248 -- shut off.  Coasting through timed stretch.

DA M N!
So what happen to Nish.

I heard broken driveshaft, of all things...maybe the driveshaft virus crossed the pits from P&M.

Thanks Ray, You guys are doing a great job

Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: desotoman on September 23, 2010, 10:36:58 PM
Huh!  Using Sum's spreadsheet for speeds in gear, with a 1.80:1 final drive and a 29" tire, 9000 rpm results in 431.37 mph (no slippage  :-) )

Wonder what the actual figures are.

Mike


Mike,

Did you account for tire growth? At 400 I would think they are around 30 inches.

Tom G.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: 4-barrel Mike on September 23, 2010, 10:38:48 PM
Huh!  Using Sum's spreadsheet for speeds in gear, with a 1.80:1 final drive and a 29" tire, 9000 rpm results in 431.37 mph (no slippage  :-) )

Wonder what the actual figures are.

Mike

You think they're running 29" tires

Just a number I plugged into the spreadsheet.  I'm a V4F guy, so 9000 rpm seems ungodly fast.  :cheers:

Of course, Tom, I took tire growth seriously into account.   :mrgreen:

Mike
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: lvsalt on September 23, 2010, 10:50:29 PM
 When are the DVDs available???? what a GREAT shootout!!!  and its not over yet.
 :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Richard 2 on September 23, 2010, 10:51:20 PM
8500 rpm's on 30" tires with 1.840 Gear is 412.46 mph
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: desotoman on September 23, 2010, 10:54:09 PM
Huh!  Using Sum's spreadsheet for speeds in gear, with a 1.80:1 final drive and a 29" tire, 9000 rpm results in 431.37 mph (no slippage  :-) )

Wonder what the actual figures are.

Mike

You think they're running 29" tires

Just a number I plugged into the spreadsheet.  I'm a V4F guy, so 9000 rpm seems ungodly fast.  :cheers:

Of course, Tom, I took tire growth seriously into account.   :mrgreen:

Mike

Mike, you made my day. Thanks. LOL.

Tom G.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Richard 2 on September 23, 2010, 11:12:35 PM
Would tire growth at 400 mph compensate for the wheel slipage.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 23, 2010, 11:24:41 PM
We're back from the "worker's" supper at the Black and White/Carmen's.  Great spare ribs and trimmings -- good times and good buddies.

Tomorrow's fun is forecast to start at eight or so -- with the Speed Demon ready to run, the Ack bike supposedly ready with new tires, maybe the Nish car with a fixed drive shaft (that's what I heard - they hurt it.  I don't have confirmation from the team, though).  Never can tell what the Spectre will do -- but today it put Amir into the pretty exclusive club of drivers that have driven a wheel-driven car over four hundred miles per hour. 

So -- among others at the Black and White tonight was James Rice, who handed me the thumb drive with the run results on it.  Here's the list from today:

                                       
 
Vehicle:    899     
09-23-10    10:15:46 10:15:58
          ETs         Speeds
Dn Entry   2.2547278  302.267mph
Dn Kilo    7.2959596  306.599mph
Dn Exit    2.2167579  307.445mph
Dn Mile   11.7674453  305.928mph
Rt Entry  ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Kilo   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Exit   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Mile   ---.------  ---.---mph
       
Temp: 60.8F  SP:25.73in  DA: 5302ft
Wind:4mph from the SSE   
                                       
 
Vehicle:    899     
09-23-10    11:32:38 11:32:26
          ETs         Speeds
Dn Entry  ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Kilo   ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Exit   ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Mile   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Entry   2.2941247  297.077mph
Rt Kilo    7.2836423  307.117mph
Rt Exit    2.1639636  314.946mph
Rt Mile   11.7417306  306.598mph
       
Temp: 62.1F  SP:25.75in  DA: 5356ft
Wind:1mph from the S     
                                       
 
Vehicle:   1708     
09-23-10    11:51:40 11:51:23
          ETs         Speeds
Dn Entry  ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Kilo   ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Exit   ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Mile   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Entry   3.2837966  207.543mph
Rt Kilo   10.7804344  207.499mph
Rt Exit    3.2794438  207.819mph
Rt Mile   17.3436748  207.568mph
       
Temp: 62.9F  SP:25.75in  DA: 5406ft
Wind:3mph from the S     
                                       
 
Vehicle:    757     
09-23-10    __:__:__ __:__:__
          ETs         Speeds
Dn Entry  ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Kilo   ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Exit   ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Mile   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Entry  ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Kilo   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Exit   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Mile   ---.------  ---.---mph
       
Temp: 64.8F  SP:25.75in  DA: 5527ft
Wind:0mph from the N     
Turn Out                               
 
Vehicle:    998     
09-23-10    __:__:__ __:__:__
          ETs         Speeds
Dn Entry  ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Kilo   ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Exit   ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Mile   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Entry  ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Kilo   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Exit   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Mile   ---.------  ---.---mph
       
Temp: 68.1F  SP:25.75in  DA: 5732ft
Wind:0mph from the N     
Aborted run at 1 mile                   
 
Vehicle:    451     
09-23-10    12:59:56 12:59:47
          ETs         Speeds
Dn Entry  ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Kilo   ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Exit   ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Mile   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Entry   1.8159442  375.304mph
Rt Kilo    5.8764378  380.661mph
Rt Exit    1.7686832  385.332mph
Rt Mile    9.4610652  380.506mph
       
Temp: 70.8F  SP:25.74in  DA: 5911ft
Wind:1mph from the S     
                                       
 
Vehicle:    715     
09-23-10    13:26:38 13:26:20
          ETs         Speeds
Dn Entry  ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Kilo   ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Exit   ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Mile   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Entry   3.2753740  208.077mph
Rt Kilo   11.2637075  198.596mph
Rt Exit    3.5961146  189.518mph
Rt Mile   18.1351961  198.509mph
       
Temp: 71.1F  SP:25.74in  DA: 5931ft
Wind:10mph from the SSE 
Heavy Smoke                             
 
Vehicle:    998     
09-23-10    13:47:42 13:47:31
          ETs         Speeds
Dn Entry  ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Kilo   ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Exit   ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Mile   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Entry   2.1612113  315.347mph
Rt Kilo    7.0373753  317.865mph
Rt Exit    2.1269455  320.427mph
Rt Mile   11.3255321  317.865mph
       
Temp: 71.4F  SP:25.74in  DA: 5950ft
Wind:4mph from the S     
                                       
 
Vehicle:    998     
09-23-10    14:22:24 14:22:38
          ETs         Speeds
Dn Entry   2.6775146  254.538mph
Dn Kilo    8.6411089  258.871mph
Dn Exit    2.5933889  262.795mph
Dn Mile   13.9120124  258.769mph
Rt Entry  ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Kilo   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Exit   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Mile   ---.------  ---.---mph
       
Temp: 71.8F  SP:25.73in  DA: 5985ft
Wind:9mph from the SSE   
                                       
 
Vehicle:   1708     
09-23-10    14:42:50 14:43:06
          ETs         Speeds
Dn Entry   2.9330494  232.362mph
Dn Kilo    9.9863910  223.998mph
Dn Exit    3.0684854  222.106mph
Dn Mile   15.9879258  225.169mph
Rt Entry  ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Kilo   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Exit   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Mile   ---.------  ---.---mph
       
Temp: 72.3F  SP:25.72in  DA: 6030ft
Wind:11mph from the SSE 
                                       
 
Vehicle:    757     
09-23-10    __:__:__ __:__:__
          ETs         Speeds
Dn Entry  ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Kilo   ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Exit   ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Mile   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Entry  ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Kilo   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Exit   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Mile   ---.------  ---.---mph
       
Temp: 73.5F  SP:25.72in  DA: 6100ft
Wind:10mph from the S   
Test run from 1 mile to 3.5mile         
 
Vehicle:    451     
09-23-10    16:01:54 16:01:45
          ETs         Speeds
Dn Entry  ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Kilo   ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Exit   ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Mile   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Entry   1.6959650  401.854mph
Rt Kilo    5.4670219  409.169mph
Rt Exit    1.6391210  415.791mph
Rt Mile    8.8021079  408.992mph
       
Temp: 74.4F  SP:25.71in  DA: 6172ft
Wind:10mph from the S   
                                       
 
Vehicle:    451     
09-23-10    __:__:__ __:__:__
          ETs         Speeds
Dn Entry  ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Kilo   ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Exit   ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Mile   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Entry  ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Kilo   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Exit   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Mile   ---.------  ---.---mph
       
Temp: 74.6F  SP:25.71in  DA: 6180ft
Wind:15mph from the SSE 
Motor problems at 2 mile               
 
Vehicle:    998     
09-23-10    17:11:28 17:11:17
          ETs         Speeds
Dn Entry  ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Kilo   ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Exit   ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Mile   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Entry   2.2351270  304.918mph
Rt Kilo    7.2616805  308.046mph
Rt Exit    2.1893444  311.294mph
Rt Mile   11.6861519  308.056mph
       
Temp: 74.6F  SP:25.71in  DA: 6180ft
Wind:13mph from the S   
                                       
 
Vehicle:   1708     
09-23-10    17:30:35 17:30:51
          ETs         Speeds
Dn Entry   2.9863581  228.215mph
Dn Kilo   10.0039867  223.604mph
Dn Exit    3.0673318  222.190mph
Dn Mile   16.0576766  224.191mph
Rt Entry  ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Kilo   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Exit   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Mile   ---.------  ---.---mph
       
Temp: 74.8F  SP:25.71in  DA: 6193ft
Wind:10mph from the SSE 
                                       
 
Vehicle:    998     
09-23-10    18:06:18 18:06:33
          ETs         Speeds
Dn Entry   2.7465707  248.139mph
Dn Kilo    9.4149453  237.594mph
Dn Exit    2.9968040  227.419mph
Dn Mile   15.1583200  237.493mph
Rt Entry  ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Kilo   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Exit   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Mile   ---.------  ---.---mph
       
Temp: 74.4F  SP:25.71in  DA: 6167ft
Wind:12mph from the S   
                                       
 
Vehicle:    598     
09-23-10    18:08:17 18:08:56
          ETs         Speeds
Dn Entry   7.3428251  92.816 mph
Dn Kilo   24.1034566  92.805 mph
Dn Exit    7.3547683  92.665 mph
Dn Mile   38.8010500  92.780 mph
Rt Entry  ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Kilo   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Exit   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Mile   ---.------  ---.---mph
       
Temp: 74.5F  SP:25.71in  DA: 6174ft
Wind:13mph from the S   
                                       
 
Vehicle:   1708     
09-23-10    18:31:51 18:32:07
          ETs         Speeds
Dn Entry   3.2485324  209.796mph
Dn Kilo   10.3235586  216.682mph
Dn Exit    3.0998305  219.860mph
Dn Mile   16.6719215  215.931mph
Rt Entry  ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Kilo   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Exit   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Mile   ---.------  ---.---mph
       
Temp: 74.2F  SP:25.71in  DA: 6154ft
Wind:9mph from the SSE   
                                       
 
Vehicle:    757     
09-23-10    18:53:49 18:54:04
          ETs         Speeds
Dn Entry   2.8485024  239.259mph
Dn Kilo    9.2099743  242.881mph
Dn Exit    2.7724455  245.823mph
Dn Mile   14.8309222  242.736mph
Rt Entry  ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Kilo   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Exit   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Mile   ---.------  ---.---mph
       
Temp: 73.4F  SP:25.71in  DA: 6103ft
Wind:10mph from the S   
                                 

Let's see if any of you caught that one run near the end of the day.  Cook had a visitor on the salt and gave him a run through the lights in the Cookmobile dually diesel pickup.

There was one better run, but dang it, no timing slip.  Two workers were doing a sweep, one almost a full mile ahead of the other.  The clocks showed entry speed of 29 mph, exit speed of 20 mph, and mile speed of 297 or so.  That would have been a great souvenir, wouldn't it?

C U in the morning, folks.  Thanks for letting me help you enjoy the Top Speed Shootout 2010 - for another day.

PS  I'll ask Nate Jones about tire diameter and growth at speed.  Tomorrow I'll ask, okay?
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: RayTheRat on September 24, 2010, 12:04:39 AM
When are the DVDs available???? what a GREAT shootout!!!  and its not over yet.
 :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

Well....now that ya asked about it, I'll have DVDs available with the unedited photo images on 'em for those who'd like to contribute.  I'd do DVDs with fade in/fade out, music, etc...but you'd have to wait for months before try were completed.

If someone wants to make a professional DVD presentation from my images, I'm open to that, too.

must sleep now
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: racergeo on September 24, 2010, 12:36:59 AM
   Ted Nuggent's  "Strangle Hold" and I'll buy a couple!!!!
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: MattS on September 24, 2010, 01:09:33 AM
Many things I don't undersand but one thing I do know;

3600 divided by the number of seconds is MPH.

It doesn't seem  that there can be any variation unless it is the number of decimal points after the whole number.

Educate me, Please, you mathematical wizards.

The car only runs one speed thru the mile.....it matters not how it is arrived at.

It's not like the bank figuring your mortgage payment.

FREUD

Now, I'm not sure if this is true or not, but I seem to recall the FIA uses the average time instead of the average speed.

Quite a difference if there is a big gap in speeds.

Say you make 2 runs on a 140 record.
First run is 240mph=15 seconds (you really killed it)
Second run is 60mph=60 seconds (yep, you hurt the motor)

SCTA says it is a 150mph average, the record is yours.
FIA says 37.5 seconds= 96mph.... too slow.

Math is a funny thing.
If the speeds are close, there is very little difference.
Again, I'm not 100% sure if the FIA uses average time, maybe Slim could ask.



Matt









Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: wobblywalrus on September 24, 2010, 01:24:11 AM
Slim, Jon, Ray, and others, when I go to a meet like this I do not know who I am talking to, what they have done, what they will be trying to do, etc.  I wander around and look at stuff and try to stay out of people's way.  These posts give me the background and significance of the races, the speeds, and lots of other good info.  Also, I do not have to drive a zillion miles to see the event, sleep in weird places, eat funky truck stop food, get salt all over the truck, etc.  Folks that are guests, send in some $ to support this. 

   
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: saltfever on September 24, 2010, 02:31:35 AM
Ray and Murph, many thanks for the help with the "auto-refresh" suggestions. Both work well.

I find setting the time too short is annoying when replying because the "reload-every" function forces the reply window your are working on, into the background and you then have to find it. But if the time is 2-3 minutes or longer it is a very nice and convenient feature.   :cheers: to you both.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Richard 2 on September 24, 2010, 07:32:09 AM
Thanks Slim, on the tire speed, here are some fig's I came up with.
  based on a 1.84 gear
30" tires @ 8500 rpm = 412.46 mph
29" tires @ 8500 rpm = 398.71 mph
           difference of 13.75 mph
Rick
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: SPARKY on September 24, 2010, 08:38:00 AM
I think they are running the new Goodyears and they are 32"
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: RayTheRat on September 24, 2010, 08:55:32 AM
   Ted Nuggent's  "Strangle Hold" and I'll buy a couple!!!!

Well, since that's one of my favorites, I think I could manage it.  Might as well add Edgar Winter's Frankenstein and maybe something by Joe Satriani like Ceremony or Surfing with the Alien.  That would rock!

Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: RayTheRat on September 24, 2010, 09:01:18 AM
Ray and Murph, many thanks for the help with the "auto-refresh" suggestions. Both work well.

I find setting the time too short is annoying when replying because the "reload-every" function forces the reply window your are working on, into the background and you then have to find it. But if the time is 2-3 minutes or longer it is a very nice and convenient feature.   :cheers: to you both.

The "too short" issue is a problem with both.  If I was still a software developer I'd (well, after I finished doing a button bar add-on for Photoshop CS5) I'd write one that would have a delay timer based on mouse or keyboard activity.  If either had been noted in the previous...say...10 seconds (or let the user set the value), then the reload timer would be reset to zero.  Helll, write 'em with that suggestion...maybe they'll add it.

And no, I have WAY too many other projects and my memory is too poor to go back to software.  Heart disease killed it.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: RayTheRat on September 24, 2010, 09:22:15 AM
Moonrise.

For the photo buffs:

Canon 7D tripod-mounted
Canon 100-400 L lens, focal length 350mm
Shutter: 1/13th
Aperture: f29
ISO 400.

I've been hoping for a shot somewhat like this since I saw Freud's shot of the Pierson Coupe a long time ago...I first started trying to shoot one like it last summer...but couldn't duplicate it.  Then Barry was killed.  I quit thinking about it until yesterday when it popped up as I was at Land's End.  I sure wish there had been a 34 Ford handy.


Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Wester on September 24, 2010, 09:29:14 AM
Ray, Was Artie Shaw playing on the BUUURB's sound system?
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Elmo Rodge on September 24, 2010, 09:30:32 AM
Jon, could you please ask Kenny Hoover if they are still planning to run at World Finals and forget to ask him about the wrecking yard? I decided that that was a bit insensitive since I know Kenny would love to be in the car this week and he's a good friend.  :wink: Wayno
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: FIL on September 24, 2010, 10:05:32 AM
Moonrise.

Very cool Ray :)
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 24, 2010, 10:21:40 AM
Hey -- the sun is up on the last day of this historic top speed meet.  Here's a quick rundown.

Ack Attack will be ready in five or ten minutes.  We've got zero wind anywhere on the course.  They went to California overnight and got the tires that used to be on the bike -- were on it when Rocky went fast a couple of years ago.  Those are on it now, the bike is in position, and we're now in lockdown so the bike can make a run during these super conditions.  About 50F right now.

Speed Demon is just about to the far end and will run when they've got permission -=- pending what happens with the Ack bike.

I'll give you Speed Demon tire growth numbers after I post these few words.

M/T tires are about 29 + a bit static, and grow about .6-.75 at 300.  From 300 to 400 they grow another inch, giving darn near 31" diameter at 400.  I think those are what Ian just told me.

Ack bike is running, we're ready to rock and roll.

Vehicle is moving!
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 24, 2010, 10:27:32 AM
Ack Attack bike is through the one and hitting gears just fine.  Sounds dandy.

Through the two mile.  Heading for Floating Island, engine popping bad -- don't know if it's the rev limiter or what.

Drove through the timed stretch at 311 -- backfiring.  Past the seven and slowing nicely, chute out, past the eight.

Through the nine mile, still slowing, salt is unlocked, Speed Demon will come towards us in a little while.

Dang, who woulda thunk a 311 mile speed first thing in the morning -- would be a disappointment?

Rocky is getting out, all looks good.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 24, 2010, 10:33:08 AM
Ray:

Now that I've read all on this page, how about adding some Jeff Beck -- maybe "The Pump" -- to your soundtrack?

Rocky's speeds on that run:

entry   311,  kilo 311,  mile   311   exit 313.  Backfiring per the tower and per Lynda at Land's End -0- and we could hear it here from the pits, too.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Jimbo on September 24, 2010, 10:39:23 AM
Hey -- the sun is up on the last day of this historic top speed meet.

JON take a look at the !st post it said till the 25 an NISHs calender says the same
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Dean Los Angeles on September 24, 2010, 10:40:53 AM
MondayEntryKiloMileExitNotes
9987:09NishShut off at two
9988:23NishShut down - rough course
7158:59Speed Demon403.488413.537413.256422.546
7159:39Speed Demon339.623324.778324.648310.548turbo destroyed
7159:48Speed DemonRecord - Kilo  363.847,  mile 363.673
99810:02NishEngine off, coasting through the two mile - MSD box too hot
7153:35Speed Demon419.611417.730415.649405.196
7153:46Speed DemonNo return run turbo gone again
4514:21SpectreFull course run, no speed - lost a hose, alternator wire came off
9984:29Nish154, exit 140 - lost a hose
9985:40NishCar wouldn't shift
Tuesday
11226:34Spirit of Rett410.92417.027416.903422.645
11227:09Spirit of Rett405.34411.828411.668417.659
11227:15Spirit of RettRecord - Kilo  414.477,  mile 414.316
71510:13Speed Demon208.990199.481199.409190.450NA motor, Drive line/u-joint failure
4511:29Spectre384.038390.474390.308396.223
9981:43Nish399.443404.472404.376409.110
9983:25Nish395.239400.276400.113404.562
8998:05Ack Attack292.402300.912300.452307.373
89910:47Ack Attack287.909295.660294.574297.878
9681:01Jamie Williams193.958196.392195.881196.152
9681:18Jamie Williams192.963194.971195.963202.489
9684:12Jamie Williams194.848199.731199.186201.873
9684:34Jamie Williams195.593197.212198.302204.857
9685:02Jamie Williams184.596184.944184.431182.607nitrous not open
9685:23Jamie Williams200.166200.915200.792201.014
9685:48Jamie Williams191.912197.265196.098196.571
Wednesday
9987:52Nish401.333407.184407.057412.515
9988:39Nish387.782393.472393.227398.003sideways at the quarter mile
45112:02Spectre357.262363.064362.939368.376
7152:05Speed DemonNo speed - broke ring gear
96810:02Jamie Williams211.092211.996211.564210.626
96811:33Jamie Williams202.177200.460200.773200.407
17093:35Scott Horner219.440215.097215.336212.143
17093:59Scott Horner206.044206.493206.447206.702
Thursday
8999:12Ack Attack302.267306.599305.928307.445
89910:29Ack Attack297.077307.117306.598314.946
170910:50Scott Horner207.543207.499207.568207.819
45111:58Spectre375.304380.661380.506385.332
71512:26Speed Demon208.077198.596198.509189.518Heavy Smoke                             
99812:47Nish315.347317.865317.865320.427
9981:25Nish254.538258.871258.769262.795
9981:25NishRecord - kilo  285.359,   mile  285.306
17091:41Scott Horner232.362223.998225.169222.106
4513:08Spectre401.854409.169408.992415.791
4513:44SpectreMotor problems at 2 mile               
9984:07Nish304.918308.046308.056311.294
17084:29Scott Horner228.215223.604224.191222.190
9985:06Nish248.139237.594237.493227.419
17085:33Scott Horner209.796216.682215.931219.86
7575:53239.259242.881245.823242.736

 
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: WOODY@DDLLC on September 24, 2010, 10:42:20 AM
Tire growth chart for some sizes - info from MT engineers and JCB book for GY's.

Anybody got some other data - like to see it!

Woody
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 24, 2010, 10:45:29 AM
Well, the calendar for the event may say something, but Mike Cook is now stating (has been all week) that today is the last day of the Shootout 2010.  

Geroge Poteet is now getting into the Speed Demon at the far end of the international course.  Will make a run in a little while.  They're wearing those M/T tires -- not Goodyears.  I'll get Nate to give me more data if you realy want it -- but Ian is the nerd, as I said yesterday, and offered more decimal places if I ask him and have paper and pencil in hand.

Course is locked down, George is strapped in, ready to fire the engine.

Heads Up Performance is running the motor on the 'Busa -- hoping for more fun today.

George hopes to come into the pits "hot" -- so we're all staying the heck outa the way of him.  Remember the one-hour rule -- for the record a car has exactly one hour from when the entry light beam is broken on the down run -- to when the exit light beam is broken on the way back.

Engine running, canopy being lowered.

Vehicle is moving on the truck.   Through the zero, gaining, gaining.  Through the one and putting 'em down and pickin em up quick!

Shut down, reports it wouldn't shift gears, we'll hang out for a little while and see what's going on.  Crew is on the way to the Speed Demon now.

Speed Demon is in the pit -- drove it down here after the shifting problem.  According to the tower George "idled" it, at about a buck-eighty five, through the lights.  He drove it here and came to a stop right on the line on the tarp in their pit.  Fun stuff to watch.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 24, 2010, 10:59:34 AM
So -- FIM Charlie is in the Horner/Williams pit to see if they'd like to run soon.  No reports from Ack or Demon on status, and I haven't heard anything out of the Nish pit.  I think I'll mosey over there and get an update for youse guys.  Back in a little while -- gotta go get the pit bike from our trailer and ride it.  By the way -- even us internet reporters have equipment failures sometimes.  The battery in the pit bike went flat yesterday -- too many starts followed by really short runs.  I took the battery to the motel last night for a recharge and put things back together this morning.  All rarin' to go on the Seldom Seen Slim effort.

I'm gone for a little while.  Don't say bad things about me -- I don't want to take the time to try to defend myself.

Open wheel bikes might be ready to run in 45 minutes.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Jimbo on September 24, 2010, 11:05:39 AM
Is Bobby Cleveland (the Lawn mower dude) made it to the Salt yet an is he going to run on Mike Cooks lay out
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: mkilger on September 24, 2010, 11:06:03 AM
 Slim thanks for all the updates, will be gone today for Gary Brauer's  service   but I will take care of you guys at WF see you there.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: don on September 24, 2010, 11:26:23 AM
I am sure a lot of you know who Rett is I did not. I got this from the jalopy journal.

http://www.rett.org/

Great coverage Slim and Ray!
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 24, 2010, 11:30:07 AM
Speed Demon's problem was oil on the clutch.  Don't know yet how it got there -- but that was why George popped it into third and the engine zinged -- no damage, taking things apart.  They've got a spare clutch.

Spectre is working and getting ready to run.  They hurt a turbo yesterday -- have a spare, but it's a slightly different size.  The two are going to share tubing so there won't be too much of an imbalance when they run.  They'd like to run at WF - but only if they've got enough parts remaining to put down some good numbers.

Nish is washing up and going home.  No reason on what's hurt -- will ask, but wanted to get back hdre to tell you about the Speed Demon.  

Bobby Cleveland and the lawnmower is here, hoping to make some runs yet today.

No idea on why the Ack bike was backfiring and running poorly, although at least the tire issue is fixed with their "lucky" tire.

Still waiting to hear when Scott Horner will run.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: joea on September 24, 2010, 11:40:37 AM
boy o boy...Ack must be fit to be tied...they had a tuneup in it
in 08 that really ran...now buncha gremlins....its tough not to
try to improve....

very doubtful to find another 70 mph...in the next few hours...

it would be VERY monumental....

Poteet/Main on the other hand...have the tuneup and the setup
to "go big"...

Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 24, 2010, 11:41:47 AM
Spectre is on the dolly and being moved to the far end for a run.  Likely about 45 minutes before they run.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: thundersalt on September 24, 2010, 11:44:02 AM
Will this be Speed Demon's biggest motor to date?
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: RayTheRat on September 24, 2010, 11:45:01 AM
Ray:

Now that I've read all on this page, how about adding some Jeff Beck -- maybe "The Pump" -- to your soundtrack?

Jeff Beck is a very good idea...but The Pump isn't one of my favorites, although I could do it.  But what about A Brush With The Blues or Roy's Toy (with motor sounds)?  Or Dirty Mind featuring Imogen Heap (vocals)?
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Dean Los Angeles on September 24, 2010, 11:45:45 AM
Quote
very doubtful to find another 70 mph...in the next few hours...

It isn't a case of finding the 70 mph, they have run those speeds. It's a case of curing the gremlins that keep them from letting all that horsepower loose on the great salt dyno.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Elmo Rodge on September 24, 2010, 11:49:12 AM
Ray:

Jeff Beck is a very good idea...but The Pump isn't one of my favorites, although I could do it.  But what about A Brush With The Blues or Roy's Toy (with motor sounds)?  Or Dirty Mind featuring Imogen Heap (vocals)?
Big Block? Wayno
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: theazoldcrow on September 24, 2010, 11:56:03 AM
 :-o  Ray,  "I Flathead" by Ry Cooder?
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Freud on September 24, 2010, 12:03:42 PM
While there are still a lotta' people online I want to give out some kudos.

Ray Therat has not been his usual posting self this event. Many successful racers can have a good event and the next time, everything

possible turns upside down. You shake your head, shout, hit things and all to no avail. That's been the story of a computer man that

has experienced many setbacks and he just has to "eat it."  Sometimes the "downer" is short lived. Sometimes it stays for a long time.

I hope Ray's batting average improves for the next event. I know that all of his images are securely stored and we will see them.

Ray, take a mild cathartic and come back soon.

Now I take my lashes and congratulate SSS and Nancy for the reporting they have done in the past few days.  It has become evident that they

really turned it up with their interviews, data gathering, and added a personal touch that was OH SO WELCOME.  Jon, even with your patrol duties

you have asked pertinent questions and conveyed the answers to us with feeling. You have posted many more fotos than usual

since Therat was on down time.

Being a racer dictates the approach of a reporter. Reluctant to stick you Pinochet nose in and interupt is not in your nature. Then you realized, I'm

also a reporter. That was an A paper decision.

Thanks to you all, Nancy, Slim and Ray Therat for a difficult job, covering at least 50 square miles of playing field and telling us what play would be

called next.  No doubt that they received an assist from the Cooks as well as the teams, but it's what was reported that satisfied us.

A side note......don't get comfortable 'cause you are still employed for World Finals.

obnoxious, but humbled, FREUD

Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: RayTheRat on September 24, 2010, 12:20:22 PM
Ray:

Jeff Beck is a very good idea...but The Pump isn't one of my favorites, although I could do it.  But what about A Brush With The Blues or Roy's Toy (with motor sounds)?  Or Dirty Mind featuring Imogen Heap (vocals)?
Big Block? Wayno

I have no idea.  It's a tribute to Roy Brizio who built many of Jeff Beck's hot rods.  For those who don't know, Beck has what is probably the largest collections of deuces in the UK.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 24, 2010, 12:21:31 PM
Here's what's new.  The Ack bike finally rides straight and Rocky's having fun -- but!  But, that is, the engines/trannys aren't happy, with first gear gone in one and the four-five series bad, so they're going to switch both motors out today.  But -- Mike Akatiff is no asking Cook to investigate if the Ack bike could run tomorrow.  Cook needs to see if he can get safety and everything else in place for another day.  Here's the executive meeting in progress at the Bobby Cleveland trailer.

(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202010/IMG_2690.jpg)

(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202010/IMG_2689.jpg)

Ain't it great to be a racer/writer?  Here's Rocky handing over to Murph an autographed copy of "Flat Out".

(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202010/IMG_2691.jpg)

Follow Murph at www.wherethehellismurph.blogspot.com

A few shots of race cars.

(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202010/IMG_2688.jpg)

(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202010/IMG_2687.jpg)

Spectre is going to run soon.

What do you do at the timing tower between runs?

(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202010/IMG_2683.jpg)

(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202010/IMG_2682.jpg)

(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202010/IMG_2680.jpg)

(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202010/IMG_2681.jpg)

That's it for now.  Spectre crew is moving bits and pieces around in preparation - they're down at the far end and hope to run in less than 15 minutes.   I'll let you know what's what.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: RayTheRat on September 24, 2010, 12:23:20 PM
The 2 runs that have been made tis morning:

Note the flames shooting from the exhaust of the Ack Attack.

George "cruising leisurely" back to the pits at about a buck-80.

Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 24, 2010, 12:30:59 PM
Ray, you win the prize -- getting a shot with the flames shooting out of the exhaust.  Good work!


Spectre is readying to run -- we're in lockdown now.

Ack and Speed Demon have both asked Bobby Cleveland for permission to use the Saturday morning that he had reserved -- so both Ack and SD will run in the morning.  There's sad news from us, though -- our plane leaves SLC at 6 in the morning so we won't be able to be here for the fun.  Murph will be, though, and will be sending us updates (while we're in the air, no doubt), and I'll post what I can when we're sitting at the airport in Dallas (direct flight from SLC to Marquette, Michigan, via DFW and ORD) or O'Hare.  And you can also keep up with what's going on by visiting Murph's blog.  Sorry that we can't give the final day's coverage -- plans here changed and we can't move the flight around.  I'll see if American will let us change - but don't promise anything yet.

Spectre should run in about five minutes.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 24, 2010, 12:34:04 PM
Spectre engine is running at the 12 mile.  We're ready to go!

Canopy is going down.  Course is locked down and clear for Amir Rosenbaum to make a run in the 485" Caddy-powered Spectre car.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Tom Slick on September 24, 2010, 12:34:57 PM
The 2 runs that have been made tis morning:

Note the flames shooting from the exhaust of the Ack Attack.

George "cruising leisurely" back to the pits at about a buck-80.



Once again RTR, great shots  :cheers:
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 24, 2010, 12:37:33 PM
Spectre car is moving on the push truck.  

Car is through the zero -- the start line at the far end of the course.  By the way, the course is numbered in both directions -- so don't get confused.

Through the one mile.  By the two.Running rough at the four mile, chute now out at the four, shut off engine, through the five at about 200.

Coasting through the timed stretch at 168.  

I don't know for sure, but remember that turbo imbalance I talked about?  Maybe that's what happent -- maybe not.  Let's see when they get to the pit.  Sounds like the engine is running and he's trying to drive to the pits.

Yup -- drove it into his pit, switched off the engine right in front of us, had the chute out (that's why he had to power down to here).  He's on the tarp in his pit.

Scott Horner will be next -- waiting to hear when that'll be.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: RayTheRat on September 24, 2010, 12:51:04 PM
Some Spectre shots from yesterday

Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: RayTheRat on September 24, 2010, 12:53:18 PM
More of the same
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 24, 2010, 12:59:15 PM
Scott's on the bike -- entry 197  kilo 194.5  mile  193.3   exit   192.

Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: RayTheRat on September 24, 2010, 12:59:19 PM
And the Spectre liner on its last (aborted) run.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: nrhs sales on September 24, 2010, 12:59:38 PM
so what has been the top speed of the meet so far?  
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Dean Los Angeles on September 24, 2010, 01:02:42 PM
I love that picture of the ice pusher that doubles as a broom.

Top speeds of the meet - exit speeds
Spirit of Rett      422.645
Speed Demon      422.546
Spirit of Rett      417.659
Spectre      415.791
Nish   412.515
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 24, 2010, 01:05:10 PM
Well, thanks to the very much appreciated kindness of you folks, I've been able to get American Airlines to switch our flight home from tomorrow to Sunday.  That means we'll be here all day to provide coverage of the Ack Attack and Speed Demon's runs.  Thanks for all of the $$ -- helps us cover the cost of changing flight reservations.

About a half-hour - forty-five minutes 'til the 757 Camaro is ready to run, and then they'll be thinking about making laps for a while -- as long as they've got the course and the tower will let 'em do it.

Nish car is going into the trailer for the trip back to SLC.  Now that we're shut down for a while I'll go over there.

Thanks again for helping us provide entertainment for you.  Sorry that now I'll be messing up your Saturday. . .
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: ol38y on September 24, 2010, 01:08:20 PM
I love that picture of the ice pusher that doubles as a broom.




Don't forget the funnel that doubles as a traffic cone... :cheers:

Maybe later they can use it for shooting beers!   :wink:
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: nrhs sales on September 24, 2010, 01:11:59 PM
Could Spirit of Rett and Speed Demon be any closer in speed!!!   :-o

1/10 of a mile an hour at 422 MPH is unreal.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: JoshH on September 24, 2010, 01:18:41 PM
I love that picture of the ice pusher that doubles as a broom.




Don't forget the funnel that doubles as a traffic cone... :cheers:

Maybe later they can use it for shooting beers!   :wink:

We've always talked about making it look more professional. But like you said their multi-purpose... Way more entertaining too  :-P
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: BarnyardJim on September 24, 2010, 01:28:42 PM
RTR and SSS  GREAT JOB!!  Someday, when I grow up or at least my checking account does, I hope to be one of the subjects of this forum, but until then I'll have to settle for an "intimate" relationship with my F-5 key.

New subject:
Not to put toooo fine a point on it (we are doing this to elevendy hundred decimal places after all) but one shouldn't get to "comparitive" about FIA speeds vs. Speedweek speeds.  Part of the reason for the plus 400 speeds is a five mile run up vs. a four mile run up.  FIA "Entry" speeds are basically Speedweek's "backdoor".

And don't get me wrong 400+ is still 400 plus even if they took the whole 12 miles to do it  (They'd have stop pretty fast though).  Haulin' the mail in any book.

Again, thanks R & S and to all the "lurkers" who contribute their wisdom and wiseFord remarks.

Keep the shiny side up,

BYJ
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: FIL on September 24, 2010, 01:38:11 PM
I love that picture of the ice pusher that doubles as a broom.

The funnels my favourite bit of the ice rig... very technical bit of kit that probably gets put back down on the side of the course when the packing is done :)
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Glen on September 24, 2010, 01:39:17 PM
barnyard Jim is correct on the distance leading to the timing traps. The other thing that has been discussed is the one hour turn around time for cars and 2 hours for bikes. Does seem very odd that with today vehicles some with multiple engines that the one hour is really not enough time to safely check things out and make the turn around.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Glen on September 24, 2010, 01:43:44 PM
I love that picture of the ice pusher that doubles as a broom.

Top speeds of the meet - exit speeds
Spirit of Rett      422.645
Speed Demon      422.546
Spirit of Rett      417.659
Spectre      415.791
Nish   412.515


All single engine & 2 wheel drive  awesome.
 :cheers:
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Bobby c on September 24, 2010, 01:48:20 PM
I agree with Glen on the one hour turnaround from a safty point of view.
I hate to see someone have to rush anything when we are dealing with these kinds of speeds.
Just my 2 penny's
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 24, 2010, 01:58:33 PM
The Nish car is going home because they hurt the drive shaft on the return run yesterday.  I've said this before -- just confirmed it with TJ.  Ray and I were over at their pit for the certificate ceremony -- I'll let him post his photos of Terry and Mike and the entire team getting those important papers.

We're sorta on break, although the 757 Camaro just ran 251 entry, 253 kilo, 252.9 mile, and 253 exit.  Having fun at the Salt!!!!!

Lunch is served at the Top One Oil pit -- we're headed that way after I take off my pants.

Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: ol38y on September 24, 2010, 02:01:11 PM
[quote

We've always talked about making it look more professional. But like you said their multi-purpose... Way more entertaining too  :-P
[/quote]

415 mph sounds pretty professional to me. Besides, it cuts down on what you have to bring.  :cheers:
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: 836dstr on September 24, 2010, 02:01:56 PM
Short change your maintenance procedures and it can cost you a lot of change.

Could the reason for 2 hours on bikes for cool down back in the old days?

Good news about Saturday Jon! Didn't plan on doing much anyway.

Tom

P.S. You can tell I'm not a motorcycle person so forgive the dumb question.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: RayTheRat on September 24, 2010, 02:21:37 PM
I love that picture of the ice pusher that doubles as a broom.

The funnels my favourite bit of the ice rig... very technical bit of kit that probably gets put back down on the side of the course when the packing is done :)

I thought that was about the koolest (no ice pun intended) things of the whole turnaround.  I loved it when I saw it and started snapping.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: RayTheRat on September 24, 2010, 02:28:22 PM
Poteet & Main on the way to the mountain end with a new clutch installed.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: landracing on September 24, 2010, 02:32:40 PM
Poteets crew is so darn effient...

Jonamo
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Glen on September 24, 2010, 02:34:20 PM
And the weather is cool so it's easier to work on a change over like that.
 :cheers:
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: RayTheRat on September 24, 2010, 02:38:29 PM
The Nish car is going home because they hurt the drive shaft on the return run yesterday.  I've said this before -- just confirmed it with TJ.  Ray and I were over at their pit for the certificate ceremony -- I'll let him post his photos of Terry and Mike and the entire team getting those important papers.

Lunch is served at the Top One Oil pit -- we're headed that way after I take off my pants.

As soon as WHAT?

Here's the photo.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: don on September 24, 2010, 02:39:43 PM
The crews have to be getting tired with all of the work they are doing.
Changing motors, turbos, tires, rear ends, and who knows what else.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: don on September 24, 2010, 02:42:07 PM

Here's the photo.

Congrats Good job Nishs and Crew!!  :cheers:
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 24, 2010, 02:42:20 PM
Ray, I wondered if anyone would catch that little playon words.  But then, think about it -- I'm on vacation, at the absolute bestest place on the planet, and traveling with Nancy -- could it get any better?

Back to racing -- George Poteet and the Speed Demon are at the far end, George is getting dressed (see?  Another refenece to salt flats attire), and about to enter the vehicle.  he'll be making a run soon.  Only a few minutes form running.

The problem earlier was just the clutch going broke -- not oil on it, just breaking as he put the car into third gear.  New clutch installed, car ready to run.  We'll see what it does.  The 347" turbo motor is in it this time -- and don't forget, they've still got the 4-cylinder mill in reserve, really, really wanting to go 400 with a four.  Maybe tomorrow. . .
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Tom Slick on September 24, 2010, 02:44:30 PM
The Nish car is going home because they hurt the drive shaft on the return run yesterday.  I've said this before -- just confirmed it with TJ.  Ray and I were over at their pit for the certificate ceremony -- I'll let him post his photos of Terry and Mike and the entire team getting those important papers.

Lunch is served at the Top One Oil pit -- we're headed that way after I take off my pants.

As soon as WHAT?

Here's the photo.

My hat's off to Mike, Terry and the whole Nish crew on a job well done. This year has to be so much more gratifying then the past couple of years. They finally busted through that elusive 400mph barrier and joined an elite group of teams/drivers. Although they didn't get the Summer's Bros. record, they can hold their heads high knowing they came damn close. I'm guessing they've also learned a lot this year about there big motor set-up and will come back swinging next year.  :cheers:
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 24, 2010, 02:47:30 PM
In re: The Nish Team and the future -- Terry was saying at the ceremony, that at this point in the year and the meet they're saying NO to the future and running the car.  It's always this way -- leaving the salt they're glad it's all done.  Then, by the time they get back to SLC, it's "Let's get going on the effort for next year".

Speed Demon is about to run, all vehicles are locked down and anxiously awaiting George's run.  As are we all.

Canopy is being put down, engine is running.

Heads up,. he's hoping to rock and roll this time, car is moving.

Through the one mile and booking right smartly along.

Sounds like he shut it down before the three mile.

Canopy is open, all looks okay -- save that I expect George is grumpy.  Don't know what happened.

Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: RayTheRat on September 24, 2010, 02:53:55 PM
Just a wild guess, but it would make sense if George noticed something wrong and stopped on course to go back to the mountain end to start another run.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Glen on September 24, 2010, 03:14:08 PM
Any word on what their plans are???
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 24, 2010, 03:38:11 PM
No word from the Speed Demon crew.  The car is still NOT in the pit -- so I don't know what's what.

The Spectre is getting ready to make a run from the far end -- maybe 15-30 minutes, maybe sooner.

Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: RayTheRat on September 24, 2010, 03:44:17 PM
Spectre support vehicles are on their way back to the pit; the car is just about to make a run.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 24, 2010, 03:48:17 PM
As an aside, this morning I asked the desk guy at Motel 6 about Speedweek 2011 -- and he right away told me they're sold out.  No surprise -- just letting you know that not much has changed in the hassle of getting rooms for Speedweek.  There's always the Bend in the Road, but we've been lucky for the past few years and haven't had a big rainfall during the event -- which moisture turns the Bend area into a mud-bog and makes getting around and out of there dang near impossible.  Be forewarned if you're thinking of staying there -- the chance of bad weather makes it necessary to hope. . .

Spectre's driver, Amir Rosenbaum, is getting into the car right now.  A run is evidently eminently imminent.  We're just waiting for the support truck/car dolly to clear the course.  The dolly bounces a bunch during non-transport duty -- so they move at moderate speeds.

Okay, they're ready to run.  The canopy is going down on the car.  I'll start a new post.  Engine is running.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: RayTheRat on September 24, 2010, 03:57:01 PM
Another aside.  There were so many campers, trailers and motor homes at the Bend that they could have had their own zip code.  That was Friday thru Sunday.  By Tuesday it was a ghost town.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 24, 2010, 03:58:38 PM
The Spectre is moving away from the push truck.

Moving -- through the zero, through the one mile.

By the two, coming fast, gaining speed.  High gear, past the three mile, coming faster still.

Entry speed 401   kilo  408   exit speed 414

Chute is out.

Official speeds   entry 401.5   mile  408.0   kilo  408.2   exit 414.4

Good run.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: hechtrod on September 24, 2010, 04:00:44 PM
F5...F5...F5... :-o

Go "little Caddy" Go!
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Glen on September 24, 2010, 04:01:32 PM
Nice run for Spectre
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: JoshH on September 24, 2010, 04:02:13 PM
Here we go AGAIN!!! What's the mile?
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: WOODY@DDLLC on September 24, 2010, 04:03:38 PM
Did you ever think you would witness a 400+ mph drag race! Many thanks guys for the run by run reports and pixs!!!  :cheers:

BTW: New/old pixs are posted to the albums so look there after this is over so you don't come down off the salt high cold-turkey!  :-D
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Glen on September 24, 2010, 04:05:26 PM
anyone find out what happened to Poteet/Main????
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: desotoman on September 24, 2010, 04:08:36 PM
Tire growth chart for some sizes - info from MT engineers and JCB book for GY's.

Anybody got some other data - like to see it!

Woody

Woody,

Thanks for posting the tire growth chart. Much appreciated.

Tom G.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 24, 2010, 04:09:02 PM
We'll probably run the open bike now.  There's about 54 minutes remaining in the one hour window -- but as long as the open bikes keep their ears open to the Spectre team -- they can get in a run or maybe two.  Scott is just driving the bike up the course to where he starts.

No word on Poteet.  I'll go ask.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Glen on September 24, 2010, 04:10:10 PM
That's a lot of runs over 400 mph, I haven't looked back to count them and they ain't done playing. All I can say from a timers standpoint this is heaven. Sorry I'm not there. James Rice is the man along with his brother  Alan for their great timing equipment and the time to do it. They deservie a lot of credit.
 :cheers:
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: JoshH on September 24, 2010, 04:11:41 PM
Hopefully everything is well mechanically. They need a 413 in the kilo and 412 in the mile. Sounds like the run-up from the highway side could be tough
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: jl222 on September 24, 2010, 04:12:37 PM
anyone find out what happened to Poteet/Main????

   It's lunch time for the great White Dyno :-D

          JL222
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 24, 2010, 04:13:12 PM
Scott Horner is on the bike making a run.  Let's see what he does.

He's through the five mile    223 entry speed,   kilo  220   mile   219
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: racefanwfo on September 24, 2010, 04:16:04 PM
is ack going to run today or are they going to wait till tomorrow.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: RayTheRat on September 24, 2010, 04:17:34 PM
Ack will run tomorrow
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: jl222 on September 24, 2010, 04:19:24 PM
  Does anyone know what the entry fee is for this meet?

    JL222
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: racefanwfo on September 24, 2010, 04:22:33 PM
last year i think i heard it was 5 grand.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Freud on September 24, 2010, 04:23:21 PM
It's in the early 5 figure range, I believe but only to 3 decimal points and they don't "round up."

FREUD.

Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: joea on September 24, 2010, 04:23:39 PM
Top one was picking up fim fees and the remaining fee
to enter a bike was right at 5000....
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 24, 2010, 04:27:19 PM
Here's a look at what stopped the Speed Demon from making a great run last time.

(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202010/IMG_2706.jpg)

(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202010/IMG_2707.jpg)

(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202010/IMG_2708.jpg)

They were making boost -- just not getting it into the motor.  With this -- they're going to pack it in for the week and head home.  The Speed Demon won't be making any more runs at this event, leaving just the Ack Attack bike to run in the morning.  Scott Horner will probably be making more runs this afternoon -- don't know if he'll try to run tomorrow.  I've hooked him up with Mike Crawford to take his bikes over to the Car/Air show at the airfield tomorrow.  Jack Rogers/Steve Strupp probably going to take the Camaro to the show, too.

That's that.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Bobby c on September 24, 2010, 04:30:05 PM
Wow, Speed Demon has had an expensive week!
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Dean Los Angeles on September 24, 2010, 04:30:20 PM
Quote
That's that.


???? What about Spectre's return run?
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: WildBro on September 24, 2010, 04:30:55 PM
Top one was picking up fim fees and the remaining fee
to enter a bike was right at 5000....
Why are't you there Joe?

Bill
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 24, 2010, 04:31:40 PM
Spectre has one-half hour remaining in the time window.  It's 2.30PM, the bikes are in line to run but waiting for Spectre, and the Camaro could/will run when the track is open to them.

As for Speed Demon's week being kinda spendy (that's an understatement, hey?) -- yeah, ain't this racin' fun?
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Texican on September 24, 2010, 04:37:30 PM
 Does anyone know what the entry fee is for this meet?

    JL222

I thought I heard 17 LARGE.
Unconfirmed.
Seems it was 10-ish last year.
Definitely beyond my tuna can budget.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: k.h. on September 24, 2010, 04:38:46 PM
Spendy?  It's been an amazing week watching all these dedicated teams play at the high stakes table.  Couldn't have been more impressive.  Nearburg's record early on created excitement in my corner of the peanut gallery.  But a few days of cliff-hangers AND more runs tomorrow.  Spendy, and historical.  SSS, Ray, et al, you done good.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: desotoman on September 24, 2010, 04:39:24 PM

Here's a look at what stopped the Speed Demon from making a great run last time.


Jon,

Any chance to ask someone what they think caused the manifold to balloon? Backfire, fatigue or? Not likely they have a spare one of those laying around in the trailer.

Tom G.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Billy @ AHG on September 24, 2010, 04:41:37 PM
What kind of boost would blow out the side of the plenum like that , good grief !   Yeah a backfire , I had'nt thought of that !   

Yeah , you can make a small fortune in racing all it takes is a large fortune to start with !
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: joea on September 24, 2010, 04:41:59 PM
i didnt try hard enough...:)

largely d/t lack of consistency on my part, with
the new tire rule, not confident enough to obligate
that kind of $....

would be coool though.....

didnt Ack change engines once this week already..?..
are they changing back to the ones that were replaced...?..

Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 24, 2010, 04:43:01 PM
Tom, Ian told me that they DO have another top in the trailer -- but they won't use it.  Ah, the wonders of having a deep reserve of parts, hey?  I'll see if I can find out what they think made it happen.

Back to racing -- Spectre's driver, Amir, is back in the car and getting ready for the return.  He's got something like 15 minutes left in the window -- and the car is now being pushed from the pit and back to the starting location at this end.  Always so good to hear the car (any car!) going past on a return run -- when you and I both know the driver is highly motivated, so to speak.

Car is ready to run, course is clear and locked down, 13 minutes remaing -- and about three of that is required to get the car the seven or so miles from the start line to the exit light.

Engine is running.  Car is on the push truck, moving out.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: saltfever on September 24, 2010, 04:43:51 PM
Jon those are very interesting pictures of the SD plenum. I’m wondering how there could be an overpressure? No blow-off valve or burst panel? The other curiosity are the 4 sensors on the plenum. I can see temp and pressure but what would the other two be?
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Glen on September 24, 2010, 04:44:49 PM
Looks like that manifold needed ribs on the out side like a blower case to stop the expansion.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: thundersalt on September 24, 2010, 04:46:59 PM
Maybe a solid billet piece
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 24, 2010, 04:49:25 PM
Spectre is going down the course.  Bouncing a lot in the dirt here -- up, spin the tires and hit the ground, spin, repeat over and over.  Still doing the bouncing through the two mile.

Through the three.

Entry 398    kilo  407   mile 406  exit 414

Pretty close to the first run, hey?
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: saltfever on September 24, 2010, 04:50:03 PM
Jon, regarding SD. Are they injecting a small percentage of fuel into the plenum as well as the runners or is it all going into the individual runners?
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: JoshH on September 24, 2010, 04:52:26 PM
DAMN... More boost please
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: saltfever on September 24, 2010, 04:53:38 PM
Question about the "salt". All of the pics show a non-white, dirty color, not typical of speed week. Is the course in a completely different location or has the salt degraded substantially since SW?
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 24, 2010, 04:53:54 PM
Here are the numbers again.  Let's then see if he's qualified for a record.  I don't think so -- but don't know the record he's running on.  Driver is out of the car and it's come to a halt.

entry 398.7   mile  406.8  kilo  407.0  exit 414.4

Good =-- but probably not good enough for a record.



Camaro is next, then the two bikes, then the lawnmower wants to make a run.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Glen on September 24, 2010, 04:55:03 PM
The course is the international course and is between the SW courses and starts at the highway.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: JoshH on September 24, 2010, 04:56:23 PM
entry 398.7   mile  406.8  kilo  407.0  exit 414.4

Good =-- but probably not good enough for a record.

That 1% is a whore
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: saltfever on September 24, 2010, 04:57:13 PM
Woody,
Thanks for posting the tire growth chart. Much appreciated.
Tom G.

Ditto for me, Woody. I have been looking a long time for that information. I can't tell you how much I appreciate you posting it.   :cheers:
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: lvsalt on September 24, 2010, 04:57:39 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8kvCyTJbm4&feature=channel

 from you tube :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: thundersalt on September 24, 2010, 04:57:53 PM
Turn around and go again! Is there another .5 mile out there to back up and start from?
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: hechtrod on September 24, 2010, 04:58:43 PM
Ya, that 1% rule is lame man. He went faster than the record, that should be the new record.   :?
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: lvsalt on September 24, 2010, 04:59:23 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxQ_Dc_Fcbg&feature=channel


 return run
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 24, 2010, 05:01:08 PM
The salt at either end of the course is better described as salty dirt -- maybe a more charitable way of stating it would be dirty salt.  But it sure isn't something I'd put on my steak.  The course is pretty good in the center area -- but the first mile or two in either direction is cruddy at best.  This is the old "international" course -- starting about 200 yards from the freeway a couple of miles up from the truck stop -- maybe about mile marker 7 on I-80.  The course runs pretty much north-south.  The BNI course crosses the international a few miles up from here.  To describe it better -- if Nancy and I were to leave this end and drive the course we'd intersect the BNI course, running from it's start line and coming up to us from behind and crossing over ahead and to the right.  The salt there is pretty white.

But there's no question -- you ALL need to write your congressman/senator to ask about the deterioration of the salt, the mining permits, and the way our precious natural resource is being sold.  It's going away and there's no question about it.  Okay, there's my soapbox rant for now.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: RayTheRat on September 24, 2010, 05:08:04 PM
Looks like that manifold needed ribs on the out side like a blower case to stop the expansion.

The expansion was caused by a backfire.  They think maybe a broken rocker arm....

Slim scooped me on the photos, but this is what I got

Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: saltfever on September 24, 2010, 05:17:31 PM
That is what I thought. But what I am trying to determine is if there is a pressure relief device in the system. If so, the overpressure exceed its capacity to relieve. I could see that happening if fuel was also injected into the plenum but find it difficult if fuel is only injected into the individual runners.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: JoshH on September 24, 2010, 05:27:17 PM
Ya, that 1% rule is lame man. He went faster than the record, that should be the new record.   :?

Get this, they missed it by 2.520 (mile) and 2.784 (kilo) - but I hope I'm wrong - man so close

SSS - an news on the Spectre car?
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: desotoman on September 24, 2010, 05:35:16 PM

Tom, Ian told me that they DO have another top in the trailer -- but they won't use it.  Ah, the wonders of having a deep reserve of parts, hey?


Jon, Thanks. I would have never guessed there would be an extra Manifold in the trailer. And you are right, it must be nice to have those kind of reserve parts.

Thanks again,

Tom G.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 24, 2010, 05:43:09 PM
Stuff and updates --

The manifold on the Speed Demon has four ports for sensors.  There's air pressure and air temperature, and the other two lead, through plastic pipe/tubing, to other air pressure sensors for the waste gate.  They have 'em set up that way for electrical isolation and also for the damping effect of the long tube.

Ack Attack is thinking over what they'll do -- evidently one engine has a bad gearbox and the spare isn't set up like what's in the bike now - or something.  So maybe they'll swap out the front engine and run the back one with it in the morning.

Rocky said that with the hurt gearbox he can't use first, so they dialed up about 12 pounds of boost much earlier in the rpm range -- and he started his runs, in front of the push truck, in second gear.  With the extra boost he was very able to get off the truck without lugging the engine.  So - he could run tomorrow without that first gear- says he'd like to, in fact, 'cause there'd be one less shift taking up a bit of time as he accelerates.

Jack Rogers has made a run in the Camaro --  210.4 entry speed, kilo was 206   mile 205, exit 197.  Don't ask me why it's 50 mph down or more -- they're on the track and not here to answer questions.

The Jamie Williams nitrous bike made a run while I was at the Ack pit -- so I hope I'm correct when I say it was him.  Anyway, the speeds were way better than last runs -- entry 218,  kilo  226,  mile 224, exit 225.

I think that's right -- but it's way faster than before.  I'm saying it was the nitrous bike 'cause I see the turbo scooter in the pit.  Think I'm safe guessing this way?


The lawnmower is getting ready to make a run.  It'll be a while, though -- 'cause they'll run from the 4 1/2 through the timed mile (which is about the 5 to the 6), and that means they've got to drive down to that part of the world.  Nancy and I are going to relocate to the tower so we can cover this earth-shattering record event (well, not record, more like a trial run).
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: jl222 on September 24, 2010, 05:44:27 PM
Looks like that manifold needed ribs on the out side like a blower case to stop the expansion.

The expansion was caused by a backfire.  They think maybe a broken rocker arm....

Slim scooped me on the photos, but this is what I got



  Really surprised they don't have a top fuel type burst panel on that top plate it looks like it would fit.
  Bet they have one next time. Or maybe as they have a backup they don't need to worry about burst panel
problems. But you could still hurt the blower and intercooler without one. They must have something somewhere.


                              JL222
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Billy @ AHG on September 24, 2010, 05:47:31 PM
414  With a big ol'Caddy mill just how cool is that ??  Hats off the engine dept !
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: k.h. on September 24, 2010, 05:50:21 PM
63 pages of Speed Week 2010 thread (almost 39K hits).  53 pages of Shootout 2010. 
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 24, 2010, 05:52:57 PM
We've moved to the timing tower and the lawnmower is being started.  I wonder if it's a recoil rope starter :roll:

Lawnmower 104 is underway!

Entry speed  80.9   kilo  82.6   mile  82.5   exit  84.0

Dang, I've seen it all now.  I'll get some photos to you pretty soon.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: saltfever on September 24, 2010, 05:54:45 PM
Jon I’m sensitive to the mood in the SD pits right now and I understand and respect their feelings. A very big “thank you” for finding out the sensor information for me. And . . . when given the opportunity, please thank them for sharing all their information all week.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: RayTheRat on September 24, 2010, 05:56:42 PM
Sometimes it's hard to find a place to get good cell phone reception...but the middle of the track?

Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Glen on September 24, 2010, 05:58:43 PM
Sometimes it's hard to find a place to get good cell phone reception...but the middle of the track?



Maybe his GPS has steered him the wrong way. :evil:
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 24, 2010, 05:59:48 PM
(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202010/IMG_2713.jpg)

(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202010/IMG_2711.jpg)

(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202010/IMG_2710.jpg)

Sorry if the photos aren't good -- he's already turned around and making the run -- I didn't have time to check or edit.

He's already done with his return run.  He ran 79.4 entry, 80.4 kilo,  78 mile and 73 exit.  He was having some engine issues -- a bit of missing, then he pedaled the throttle near the end of the run.  Maybe the bad salt, maybe the blade got dull and took up too much power. :evil:

Remember that this isn't a record attempt, but rather some tune up runs.  I'll try to get photos of the mower itself -- up close.  I suppose you'd like to know if it's a basic Briggs and Stratton, too -- wouldn't you? 

Ray has just left this area -- will undoubtedly have better photos than I got, but I wanted to share the excitement with you ASAP.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: 1212FBGS on September 24, 2010, 06:05:13 PM
thats funny stuff right there...... does he get a 1 or 2 hr turn around?
kent
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Glen on September 24, 2010, 06:06:04 PM
Darn, don't they allow traction control on mowers, maybe he should lay down and get out of the airstream. No rooster tail. Just funning he is doing something he believes in, good for him.
 :cheers:
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: 1212FBGS on September 24, 2010, 06:06:56 PM
hey maybe Blue can tell us if the blades are making down force  :evil:
kent
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Glen on September 24, 2010, 06:07:44 PM
Kent, is it legal, I didn't see a grass collector, maybe it has a mulching blade.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: don on September 24, 2010, 06:07:52 PM
http://www.willbobbygo100.com

The record is 88 mph.  :-D

Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: saltfever on September 24, 2010, 06:11:10 PM
2 Hr turn-around. It takes time for the Scotts Plus to dissolve in the tank. :-D
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: ol38y on September 24, 2010, 06:13:24 PM
I believe it's a 1000cc Mitsubishi v twin lawn mower engine... :-o
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: k.h. on September 24, 2010, 06:23:05 PM
Someone show him a picture of Rollie Free at speed.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Glen on September 24, 2010, 06:26:26 PM
Someone show him a picture of Rollie Free at speed.
KH, I was thinking the same thing. Maybe a ironing board and duct tape.lol
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Glen on September 24, 2010, 06:30:37 PM
That thing has a wing.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: k.h. on September 24, 2010, 06:35:39 PM
Mr. Riches, if I drive out to WF, rather than fly, I can bring an RR1000 right side lower, or a mold from it.  Anything else RR1000 you need?
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: desotoman on September 24, 2010, 06:37:19 PM
I believe it's a 1000cc Mitsubishi v twin lawn mower engine... :-o

Must be a new motor for this event. The old record he set was with a B&S Vangard motor.

Tom G.

PS. His tow rig and trailer are pretty nice.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Glen on September 24, 2010, 06:46:39 PM
Is anyone else going to run today??
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: ol38y on September 24, 2010, 07:01:55 PM
I believe it's a 1000cc Mitsubishi v twin lawn mower engine... :-o

Must be a new motor for this event. The old record he set was with a B&S Vangard motor.

Tom G.

PS. His tow rig and trailer are pretty nice.

The guy in England who just broke his old record is the grandson of  Sir Malcolm Campbell.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Freud on September 24, 2010, 07:08:41 PM
The English mower sure looks more racey than this one.

Big tires in back and more laydown.

FREUD
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 24, 2010, 07:18:51 PM
You've read me commenting about Murph, the itinerant guy that's out here for this event and will still be here for Finals, too, right?

Well -- earlier today he wanted to made a town run and wondered how long it'd be before we "unlocked" the salt so he could ride out.  I sugested he think about just going overland across the little dike and to the highway.  Hey, why not -- he's riding a dual-purpose (sorta) BMW bike that's tough enough to drive to Chile -- why not go that hundred yards across the dirt.  But, I told him -- watch out -- remember the sheriff's car that got stuck in the mud yesterday.  It might look like good surface but you could be surprised.

"Yeah", he said, "I'll be careful - I don't want to get the bike stuck or anything."

(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202010/RiderDownMedium.jpg)

Unh, Murph, you're on your own next time -- I won't suggest what route to try.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: theazoldcrow on September 24, 2010, 07:23:12 PM
 :-D  "Where the hell is Murph now?"   lol lol lol lol lol
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Jimbo on September 24, 2010, 07:28:49 PM
http://www.willbobbygo100.com = USA BOBBY CLEVELAND Running with USA lawn mower rules in 2006 he ran almost 81mph click on his mower an he'll tell U what he did to it

http://www.projectrunningblade.co.uk/= BRIT DO WALES MAY 2010 he went 87mph
now at this Brit site go to left Pic & Video click on
ok now click on Pictures an over to the right #3 the low ride click on
U will see what type Mower they ?started with the Hi BOY
According to the rules the seat don't move (down)
The deck needs height to be replace
NO telling whats under the hood the tires have been changed
AN the BRIT was invited to run on the salt he said YES but backed out
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Elmo Rodge on September 24, 2010, 07:38:37 PM
Jon, is the Spectre crew preparing for another go? They are so darn close. Wayno
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 24, 2010, 07:42:47 PM
Scott Horner just ran 232 entry speed on the turbo bike.  He's thinking over whether to return or not.  He'll run on an AMA record, not an FIM one.  The speeds were  entry 232.7   kilo 228.7   mile  227.4   exit  218.4

We're about done with this event from the car point -- Speed Demon is doing a beauty shoot in the afternoon light, Spectre is packing it up for the meet, and I've just been asked to do an unnatural act.  Will be back in a few minutes. Here's a hint of what's coming up.(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202010/SSSphotoshow-087.jpg)
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: thundersalt on September 24, 2010, 07:44:23 PM
I wonder if a lawn mower could be considered a.................................propster. :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: RichFox on September 24, 2010, 07:46:16 PM
Did I understand that the lawnmower's number is 104? That's my number. I'm protesting. Or something.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Glen on September 24, 2010, 07:47:16 PM
It's blowing the wrong way, but he will take credit for what ever it does. :evil:
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: RayTheRat on September 24, 2010, 08:11:30 PM
and meanwhile...there was this loud noise in the pits and as Slim so eloquently put it, "WTF" was that?

Well, is was "a rapid decompression event" as the OSU guys put it last year.  In other words, they had a blowout occur to one of their tires...that's foto 1 & 2.

Then there's that beauty shot of the Demon he was talkin about...

Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: ol38y on September 24, 2010, 08:15:49 PM
AMA record? now I'm really confused. Would Drew certify that?
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Rex Schimmer on September 24, 2010, 08:39:47 PM
Just a note regarding the Speed Demon manifold failure. Every pressurized system has a relief valve, it may not look like  a relief valve and in the case of the Speed Demon's manifold it looked like the top cover plate. It may only work one time but all pressure systems when taken to their max pressure will find a relief valve. Probably more cost efficient if you designed one in to the system though!

Rex
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: desotoman on September 24, 2010, 08:46:07 PM
Great point Rex,

And I am sure that is what Marlo had in mind when installing Burst panels on Target 550 intake system.

Tom G.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Glen on September 24, 2010, 08:47:35 PM
I would think they were lucky the body didn't get damaged and cause other problems. That's a lot of air being released into a closed area.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: fastesthonda_jim on September 24, 2010, 09:01:09 PM
Okay so where's the pix of Seldom Seen Rollie on his scooter? 
And make SURE he has a "blow out" panel in his shorts when he makes his historic run on the other Holy Grail of Bonneville Histoire.  Wouldn't want to build up too much, ummmm.... pressure.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Glen on September 24, 2010, 09:06:06 PM
Okay so where's the pix of Seldom Seen Rollie on his scooter? 
And make SURE he has a "blow out" panel in his shorts when he makes his historic run on the other Holy Grail of Bonneville Histoire.  Wouldn't want to build up too much, ummmm.... pressure.

Jim, a beanie cap with a prop will help him with a tail wind. :-D
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Richard 2 on September 24, 2010, 10:19:29 PM
thats funny stuff right there...... does he get a 1 or 2 hr turn around?
kent
Thats mean. Did the push truck pass him?  :-D Just kidding I'm sure they have alot of money in it. And fun.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: RayTheRat on September 24, 2010, 10:25:26 PM
Great point Rex,

And I am sure that is what Marlo had in mind when installing Burst panels on Target 550 intake system.

Tom G.

Absolutely right.  They wanted to make sure that any unwanted "sudden overpressure events" were handled the way THEY wanted 'em to be, rather than finding the weakest point to exit.

Photos of SSS in his tuck on the scooter, Greg Akatiff on the Segway and the lawnmower coming up.  They were shot with a real long lens in fading light and WAY too far away (I was at the timing stand), so I don't guarantee much crystal clarity.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: k.h. on September 24, 2010, 10:36:24 PM
Did any cars go 400 in 2008 or 2009?  From 1965 to 2008, it appears only wheel driven 4 cars have gone 400 or better (on the salt).  This week 5 cars broke 400.  Historic.  
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Salt_Fever on September 24, 2010, 10:39:03 PM
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Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: RayTheRat on September 24, 2010, 10:42:31 PM
Did any cars go 400 in 2008 or 2009?  From 1965 to 2008, it appears only 4 cars have gone 400 or better (on the salt).  This week 5 cars broke 400.  Historic. 

Yes.  Burkland's 411 set the record at 415.896 in 08 and could have gone a lot faster with better traction.  Speed Demon ran 436 (I think) in 09 in the midst of breaking everything behind the motor...several times.  Sound familiar?  They're gonna chop the back half of the car off and redesign it from the ground up over this winter...or that's what I heard from 'em.

There may have been other 400+ runs, but my Swiss cheese memory can't dredge 'em up.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Richard 2 on September 24, 2010, 10:49:29 PM
Is this the first time Speed Demon has had serious engine trouble?
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: k.h. on September 24, 2010, 10:52:11 PM
Thanks Ray.  Still, 6 cars over 400 in 43 years and 5 in a week at Cook's Shootout.  Decent. 
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Papi on September 24, 2010, 10:56:22 PM
Did I understand that the lawnmower's number is 104? That's my number. I'm protesting. Or something.

 :lol: LOL. I like the "or something" remark Rich.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: RayTheRat on September 24, 2010, 10:58:36 PM
Slim in his tux... mean tuck...fotos 1 & 2

Greg Akatiff on the Segway...foto 3

and finally the bat outta hell lawnmower....#4
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: RayTheRat on September 24, 2010, 11:04:10 PM
Is this the first time Speed Demon has had serious engine trouble?

Yes.  As Betty Howard (George's sister) said to me, "we had to invent new things to break."  Kenny Duttweiler's motors have usually been bulletproof.  The problem with the first (299 inch) motor was the windage tray doing too good a job and obstructing the oil flow.  They ball's still up in the air as to the cause of the sneeze in the 347. 

About all you can say is, "that's racin."
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Papi on September 24, 2010, 11:07:16 PM
So I may have missed it, but will Ack and Rocky get to run on Saturday?
I saw there was a meeting, but is it official?

Dean- Thanks for daily scorecard, that is a nice summary!

Look at all those 400 passes, geezus what a great week for those teams.  :cheers:
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Richard 2 on September 24, 2010, 11:26:13 PM
Thanks Ray Great job
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: RayTheRat on September 24, 2010, 11:35:10 PM
So I may have missed it, but will Ack and Rocky get to run on Saturday?
I saw there was a meeting, but is it official?

Dean- Thanks for daily scorecard, that is a nice summary!

Look at all those 400 passes, geezus what a great week for those teams.  :cheers:

Yep.  The Ack Attack should run sometime shortly after 8 ayem.  The lawnmower will also run, this time over real turf.  Yep.  According to the rules set forth by the Marquess of Queensberry, the mower must actually pass over grass...not to be confused with passing gas.  Gawd, I'm gettin goofy...the tireder I stay here the longer I get....or something.

So the mirth and frivolity will continue on the morrow.

And now onto the Target 550 update which will be announced in the Build Diaries section...but here it is anyway.  http://www.target550.com/gallery/59_fraternal_injectors/index.html (http://www.target550.com/gallery/59_fraternal_injectors/index.html)

Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: desotoman on September 24, 2010, 11:46:10 PM
Thanks Ray,

For everything. I am sure Doc is proud of you.

Tom G.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 25, 2010, 12:00:06 AM
Hey, I made a run -- but don't have a timing slip.  I'll visit with James Rice in the morning and get one.  It's an historic event for me -- getting to make a pass on the international track.  Better still, though -- and dang it, I wish I had the photo --

The Speed Demon was making a no-power pass down the track - was pushed and let go by the push truck.  He passed me as I was traveling to the start line, and eventually he slowed down while I continued at full tilt boogie.  I knew the camera crew was riding alongside of the SD to get the footage they wanted -- in fact, I had been told to stay away from that group.  But I just couldn't help it -- I zigged left as the SD was coasting down and approached from the rear and PASSED THE SPEED DEMON!  I held a clenched fist (didn't think it'd be right to give him the finger) and zoomed past, blowing the air horn on the pit bike all the way.

I think I'm safe in saying that I am the only person in history that has overtaken and passed the Speed Demon on a pit bike while we were both moving down a race track.  No photographer handy, although I expect the filming crew got some footage of the event.  Sure hope they don't put that in the trash can -- give it to me instead.

So back to racing.  You've probably heard the story about the Ack bike -- that when they brought the spare engines in a crate -- they didn't check carefully and brought a brand-new Suzuki 'Busa engine, not one that'd been gone through and built.  The last I heard from their pit is that they'll take out one of the motors in the bike and replace it with the new one, remove the broken arts in the transmission of the motor already in the bike, and try a run with that kinda freaky combination.  The bike is handling well now, so if the motor situation is halfway decent -- maybe Rocky can lay down some good numbers.  If the bike goes well they'll make some passes.  If things don't run worth a crap -- they'll put it on the transporter and the season will end then and there.

The end result for you, good people, is that the Top Speed Shootout 2010 will end by mid-morning tomorrow.  Maybe by early morning if things aren't good.  Mike A. wants to make a nice and early (8AM) run, so tune in and find out what's going on.

Nancy and I have been coerced to help Murph do a photo for him in the morning at about 7.30, so I'll get as much information to you as soon as I can then.  Promise your household that you'll mow the lawn or rake the leaves later -- 'cause there's still some racing left in the Shootout.

Good night, everybody.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: desotoman on September 25, 2010, 12:07:57 AM

The Speed Demon was making a no-power pass down the track - was pushed and let go by the push truck.  He passed me as I was traveling to the start line, and eventually he slowed down while I continued at full tilt boogie.  I knew the camera crew was riding alongside of the SD to get the footage they wanted -- in fact, I had been told to stay away from that group.  But I just couldn't help it -- I zigged left as the SD was coasting down and approached from the rear and PASSED THE SPEED DEMON!  I held a clenched fist (didn't think it'd be right to give him the finger) and zoomed past, blowing the air horn on the pit bike all the way.

I think I'm safe in saying that I am the only person in history that has overtaken and passed the Speed Demon on a pit bike while we were both moving down a race track. 

Good night, everybody.


Jon,

LOL, if you can get a picture of that I would be more than happy to purchase one from you. Autographed of course, to hang on my wall. Too Cool.

Thanks,

Tom G.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: hotrod on September 25, 2010, 12:37:35 AM
Jon I think you could have cut down on aero drag by turning your hat around.

This is my photo from the up sun side of the track and spectator area.

Larry
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: desotoman on September 25, 2010, 12:59:18 AM
Is this the first time Speed Demon has had serious engine trouble?

I am sure they have torched some heads before. I think there is a picture of one Ray or Jon took at this last speedweek on Landracing.com.

Tom G.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: hechtrod on September 25, 2010, 01:45:46 AM
(http://i539.photobucket.com/albums/ff356/hechtrod/seldom_seen_slim_scooter_a_DSC_8697_sm.jpg)

SLIM, please make this photo your AVATAR!  It will be PERFECT!
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Dean Los Angeles on September 25, 2010, 01:48:35 AM
Looking at the cover size of Speed Demon's manifold it eyeballs at about 12 x 24. The shape is complex so I'll simplify and say the manifold is 12 x 12 x 24. That's 3,456 square inches. At 20 psi that's 69,120 pounds of force trying to . . . Well, actually did, push it apart.

Any kind of hiccup that allows a backfire vastly increases that pressure. Pressure vessels are quite the art.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: RayTheRat on September 25, 2010, 06:55:24 AM
Oh, yeah....the one where the car decided it needed more holes in its head.  Forgot about that one.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: AJR192 on September 25, 2010, 08:03:34 AM
Don't forget when it burned the oil line to the turbo on the 4 cylinder and about burned the car down two years ago.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: SPARKY on September 25, 2010, 08:13:47 AM
SSS  GREAT tuck form   :-D
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: RayTheRat on September 25, 2010, 08:59:31 AM
Don't forget when it burned the oil line to the turbo on the 4 cylinder and about burned the car down two years ago.

Yeah, but that wasn't an engine failure.  That was a cataclysm caused by a kluge done during a turnaround.  An EGT sensor had blown out of a header pipe and the escaping exhaust gas melted a valve cover gasket.  They were able to screw the sensor back in, but didn't trust it.  Against Kenny Dutteiler's advice, they made a shield from hi-temp fabric.  You can see it in the attached foto.

The shield worked fine in protecting the VC gasket, when the sensor blew out again.  But it re-directed the exhaust gas directly onto an oil line and that's when things went to Hudson Hornet. 

Gotta give the team credit.  They did a week's worth of work in under 3 days to restore the back half of the car from a charred and melted mess to a nearly-pristine hunk of race car.  If it hadn't been for the bubbled paint, most casual observers never would have known that there had been any trouble.

I otta make something clear.  That team pays me to do their photos during the meets.  And I've gotten to know many of the team members and consider them friends.  But I don't think that influences the way I report things about the team and the car.  I may have more photos of 'em cuz I''m there more often, but that's as far as it goes.  I try to maintain neutrality in reporting and call it as I see it.  On the case of the the burned oil line, it was a mistake they made in deciding to make that shield, even if the idea was well-intentioned. 

enuff said.  I need to shower and get to the salt.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Richard 2 on September 25, 2010, 09:16:24 AM
(http://i539.photobucket.com/albums/ff356/hechtrod/seldom_seen_slim_scooter_a_DSC_8697_sm.jpg)

SLIM, please make this photo your AVATAR!  It will be PERFECT!
You got it down Ray, Just need a turbo and maybe some fuel.  NITRO   :-o :-o
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 25, 2010, 10:00:27 AM
Good Morning, Bonneville.  Here's what we can see so far:

The Ack Attack team was here through about 2AM swapping engines.  They're lit the motors once or twice already today, so that's a positive sign.  The bike is still on the lift and they are putting the bodywork on pretty quick here really soon like, maybe.  They will run as soon as they do.

Scott Horner is working in the pit with Jamie -- will run this morning.  And the Jack Rogers Realty 757 Camaro will be making runs, too.  As will the lawnmower -- this time with real lawn.

Hunh?  Yeah -- I guess under the rules of fast lawnmower international sanctioning rules - a record requires that the mower drive over a patch of grass.  There's probably even a minimum size required (maybe a square yard of something about that size, maybe more -- I'll learn and help you learn).  John Hansen (Peppermill Group) offered to help -- 'cause since they're in the process of re-doing some of the lawn areas around the casinos they've got plenty of grass that's being removed.  He'll supply some for the event.  And that's what's happening at the Bonneville Salt Flats.

Except for - - wait'll you see what I just got.   It'll show up in a post in a few minutes.

(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202010/IMG_2760.jpg)

Ack bike should be ready to run in less than a half-hour.  Wind is 5-10 mph at the tower, zero at the three mile.  Scott Horner will run 1708 bike first--pretty soon.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 25, 2010, 10:23:55 AM
Well, that was cool.  Scott decided to run from the highway.  Here's that shot:

(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202010/IMG_2761.jpg)

He's been saying that he wanted maximum room to run up to speed.  So -- he used all of it -- look at these two shots - showing a bike whose rider was hard on the throttle:

(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202010/IMG_2762.jpg)

So hard, in fact, that the camera wouldn't recycle fast enough for the second photo:

(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202010/IMG_2763.jpg)

And here's the last one -- Scott Horner going away FAST.

(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202010/IMG_2764.jpg)

His speeds were 240 entry, 229 kilo, 226 mile, and 207 exit.  Don't know yet why he slowed -- he's now stopped at the 7 mile.

In other news, the Ack bike is on the ground at the highway end - and waiting for the wind to get right for a run.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Papi on September 25, 2010, 11:16:31 AM

In other news, the Ack bike is on the ground at the highway end - and waiting for the wind to get right for a run.

Could you tell Mike and Rocky we had to get up early for this to, so hurry up boys and let's get 'er done!
For crying out loud, my eggs and bacon are getting cold hitting the refresh button.

Go get it Rocky!!!
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Glen on September 25, 2010, 11:20:48 AM
They must have gone to breakfast :-o
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Papi on September 25, 2010, 11:22:55 AM
They must have gone to breakfast :-o


Great. I coulda slept an extra 12 minutes.  :roll:
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Glen on September 25, 2010, 11:26:27 AM
The weather channel says it's calm in Wendover
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: RayTheRat on September 25, 2010, 11:28:32 AM
Some Ack shots while we're waiting for optimal wind conditions.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 25, 2010, 11:30:42 AM
Nope, they're not out for breakfast -- they're waiting for the wind to do something like stabilize or mellow ouit.  It's dead calm in the pits but howling at 8-11 across from the saddle in the mountains, or it's 1-4 at the tower but 7 at the 3 1/2, and so on.  They're just as anxious -- probably more so -- than you and I.  They call for wind reports every two or three minutes -- just switched to a different radio setup so they can get faster wind checks from the tower and support crew on the race track.

I went to Scott Horner's pit and watched the on-bike video from his run.  I like the setup -- not only a camera, but there's GPS and accelerometer and tach and throttle position and boost indicator -- on the screen during playback.  I'll get more information for you -- I'm seriously interested in that camera system.  Whatever -- the playback shows Scott at about 240 well before the two mile and then cruising at that speed to and through the five, with occasional wheelspin to keep things exciting.  Then, in the measured mile, it gets kinda wiggly -- and he ends up moving from the left side to the right and nearly trimming the mile marker and even more closely missing a cone or two.  Exciting run for Scott.

Back to Ack -- wind has died down all up and down the track.  Maybe they'll soon run.  Hope your eggs haven't got too hard-boiled while you've been waiting.

Ack says they'll freshen the ice in the 'cooler and then have Rocky complete prep for a run.  No promises, of course.

And there are 47 minutes left in the window for Scott to return on the run.  He's going for a Leslie Porterfield record of 232.

Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: RayTheRat on September 25, 2010, 11:32:18 AM
Wind has dropped, there's activity around the Ack Attack.  Rocky's gettin in and they're refreshing the ice in the intercoolers.  We could have a run soon.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Papi on September 25, 2010, 11:33:14 AM
Looks like Jim is hogging up camera time again...  :lol:
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: pookie on September 25, 2010, 11:40:16 AM
   SSS, What was the speed on your putt-putt?  Mike R.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 25, 2010, 11:40:38 AM
2 mph tailwind at the 7 mile, wind zero at the three mile.  Course is clear and locked down -- Rocky is getting into the bike.  Hoping to run in a minute or two.

Pookie, I screamed through the at 28.864 and the mile at 28.831, and exit speed was 29.033.

Take that data and extrapolate it, someone, and figure out how many more miles I would have had to run to get the bike up to four hundred.  I was gaining as the run proceeded, right?


Rocky is being strapped into the bike now.  3 mph tailwind at the tower.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 25, 2010, 11:44:35 AM
The engine is running on the Ack Attack bike.  Course is clear.


Canopy is presenting difficulties in being closed, now okay Akatiff in the push truck, moving the bike now!
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Papi on September 25, 2010, 11:44:58 AM
Take that data and extrapolate it, someone, and figure out how many more miles I would have had to run to get the bike up to four hundred.  I was gaining as the run proceeded, right?

SSS- at that rate it would have taken you 1,493 miles to never.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 25, 2010, 11:46:47 AM
Rocky has passed out of the pits, approaching the one mile.

At the two and through, past the three mile

Entering the timed stretch and through the five

entry 326  kilo  327   exit 324

Chute out, slowing nicely at the 8

Fastest the Ack Attack has run at this event.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: RayTheRat on September 25, 2010, 11:46:55 AM
Ack Attack just launched and is thru the 3.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: RayTheRat on September 25, 2010, 11:47:38 AM
Speeds in the 320s.  Not enuff.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Papi on September 25, 2010, 11:49:46 AM
Speeds in the 320s.  Not enuff.


oh crapcakes. Was that top?
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Glen on September 25, 2010, 11:50:57 AM
when's the mower run??
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 25, 2010, 12:02:56 PM
I can't hear the radio right now -- Steve Strupp is warming the Camaro engine about 50 feet from here and the muffler on the car sounds like it's all shot to heck.

So therefore I can't hear if the Ack bike team has decided what's next, nor when the mower will run.  I know the crew for the mower is on the site and was reported to be doing some work on the rig.  Obviously the Camaro is planning on running -- heat soaking the motor.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 25, 2010, 12:09:37 PM
The Scott Horner/Heads Up Performance bike is running, starting this time from the far end and heading for the pits.  He's got about 10 minutes left in the 2-hour window.  He's running, remember, on the 232 record.

He's now left the start line and is moving.  By the three and moving fast, says Junior.

Past the four mile marker, entering the timed mile.

Entry speed  207    kilo  214  mile 213  exit 211
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Freud on September 25, 2010, 12:12:51 PM
Does this mean there will be another class for Speed Week to accept Slim's scooter?

FREUD
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 25, 2010, 12:14:09 PM
Next will be the Ack Attack bike.  Don't know how long 'til a run, but now you've heard what I've heard.

Okay, more -- Ack wants to run in the next ten minutes or so.  Scott Horner stopped at about the 7 on the way back here -- motor was overheating, so he's not riding back to the pit - his crew will recover him up there, over on the BNI course so Ack can have a clear course when he decides to run.  By the way, Horner completed his attempt with about 5 minutes to spare in the two hour window.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: joea on September 25, 2010, 12:17:41 PM
...man...what are the chances they "find" another 70 mph...?..

it must seem like a needle in a hay stack for Ack right now...
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: RayTheRat on September 25, 2010, 12:21:21 PM
Some shots from the Ack Attack preparation and launch.

1.  Dry ice going into the intercooler reservoir.

2.  Rocky's helmet going on.

3.  Thumbs up!

4.  He's off.

Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: RayTheRat on September 25, 2010, 12:24:26 PM
Scott Horner at speed: 213 mph.

Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Freud on September 25, 2010, 12:28:36 PM
Ray, great choice of shutter speed.

FREUD
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 25, 2010, 12:31:20 PM
The Ack bike is just about ready.  The team is getting minute-by-minute wind checks  showing 2-3 mph headwind through the first six miles, then turning to a tailwind (once he doesn't need it any more).  But no crosswinds.

Engines are running, canopy is down.

The bike is moving on the push truck, now it's away form the truck and moving out.

Cook reports it's a very good leave.  Through the one.  By the two, accelerating hard.

Through the five, entry 255 and slowing.

239 for the mile, through the six through the four and slowing, fire truck is paralleling (they do this on all runs, by the way -- not a sign of an emergency). 

Rocky rode the bike back to the pits and is getting out now.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Cole222 on September 25, 2010, 12:37:41 PM
1.  Dry ice going into the intercooler reservoir.

I remember Rocky saying that he always stayed cool while in the bike because he sits on the intercooler reservoir. That works great when it is 90 degrees, but 55 degrees?
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: RayTheRat on September 25, 2010, 12:45:45 PM
Ray, great choice of shutter speed.

FREUD

Thanks.  1/500th
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Dean Los Angeles on September 25, 2010, 12:54:02 PM
Notice how flat the rear tire looks.

(http://www.landracing.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=8645.0;attach=22218;image)
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Freud on September 25, 2010, 12:57:35 PM
Dean I noticed that.

One possibility, reduced pressure

Second, just the shape as the power is applied.

Amo, Kent, someone........explain?

FREUD
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: k.h. on September 25, 2010, 12:59:31 PM
. . . and what tire is it?
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Glen on September 25, 2010, 01:00:36 PM
So any update on Rocky and the Ack attack and why he shut off???
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 25, 2010, 01:04:12 PM
Neither guess is right -- Scott says that now we can see just how soft is the race course.  When he finished that run the wet salt was dripping off the bike.  The photo shows how far down the tire was sinky, no doubt encouraged by the power applied.

Further deponent sayeth not.

Ack Attack bike engines are running in the pit at this time.

So Mike Cook and Mike Akatiff were discussing whther the bike should make any more runs.  Ack asked Cook "...should we pack it up and go?" and Cook responded "What are we here for?", and Ack ended the conversation "OK."

Now we know why the engines are running, don't we?

But I don't know what happened on that run, and I'm not ready to break into the hard work going on in the pit just now.  I'll get the story -- let them do their stuff for a few minutes first, okay?
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 25, 2010, 01:36:20 PM
The lawnmower just made a 890+ mph run and they're about as excited as can be.  You'd think they just earned a red hat!  So all of us in the pits are heading to the mower pit (which is next to the BNI course across from the tower) to share the fun and cheering.  I'll even get photos for you.  They're doing an FIA-style one hour turnaround so maybe they'll be able to say they quaklified for a record (whether there's a class for them or not, meaning that the FIA should create one, I guess).
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Texican on September 25, 2010, 01:44:45 PM
,  :roll:
Scott Horner at speed: 213 mph.



Looks like next year's large poster should be spectacular; many bright colors, which we 15 year-olds will be attracted to.   :-P,  :roll:
Jim
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 25, 2010, 01:53:46 PM
Hey, the mower ran a 90.3 mile on an 87.833 record.  I'm listening on the two-way right now as Bob Cleveland, the mower driver, is talking with a British guy in the tower -- who's got the record now.  The Brit is wishing Bob the best - as Bob is saying that the Brits might have the record, but they'll only have it for another half-hour.

Here are some photos of Bob, mower, and the happy crowd.

(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202010/IMG_2773.jpg)

(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202010/IMG_2777.jpg)

Mike Akatiff broke off from the thrash in their pit -- to congratulate Bob:

(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202010/IMG_2778.jpg)

(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202010/IMG_2774.jpg)

They have even done some aero work on the mower -- engine shrouds and such.  No, there is no blade on it now, but they will later switch to a mower deck with a blade to do some ceremonial grass cutting.

I'll post and give you some Ack Attack news.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Gwillard on September 25, 2010, 01:54:55 PM
The lawnmower just made a 890+ mph run and they're about as excited as can be.  You'd think they just earned a red hat!  So all of us in the pits are heading to the mower pit (which is next to the BNI course across from the tower) to share the fun and cheering.  I'll even get photos for you.  They're doing an FIA-style one hour turnaround so maybe they'll be able to say they quaklified for a record (whether there's a class for them or not, meaning that the FIA should create one, I guess).

890 mph??? WOW! I bet the Brits will be heading back to the drawing board to re-evaluate their choice of a jet/rocket hybrid.  :-D
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 25, 2010, 01:55:20 PM
Mike Akatiff explained the slow run by telling us that Rocky is having shifting troubles.  The bike shifts fine when hanging from the transporter, in the pit, but didn't go into high on the course.  They're changing fluids and going to try another run soon.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 25, 2010, 01:56:15 PM
Hey, forgive me a typo, hey?  I meant to type 90+, not 890.  They can dream, though. . .
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: 1212FBGS on September 25, 2010, 02:01:24 PM
Ack uses 1shift linkage to shift both motors
Kent
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: joea on September 25, 2010, 02:04:30 PM
.."I meant to type 90+, not 890"...

darn im cancelling my order for that 104+ booster stuff....


so...is one of ack's motors with the damaged tranny..?...hopefully
he can increase the kill time to motors to make shift, and or roll off
some throttle to make shift....

maybe Ack liner can make some Teague like shifts....slow but sure....
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: RayTheRat on September 25, 2010, 02:22:28 PM
Bobby Cleveland on the 104 Octane Boost lawnmower that just made two passes for an average of 87+ in the mile and 90+ in the kilo.

Not too shabby for a lawnmower.  Mike Cook really gave 'em some good aero advice and it worked.

Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: joea on September 25, 2010, 02:28:03 PM
...since Mike is a car guy...he doesnt realize you can reduce
frontal area by about 1/4-1/3 by leaning forward and getting
your freakin head DOWN....
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Gwillard on September 25, 2010, 02:37:51 PM
Hey, forgive me a typo, hey?  I meant to type 90+, not 890.  They can dream, though. . .

I'm just hackin' on you, Jon.
(I was kinda wondering how much arm strength it would take to hang onto that contraption going 890 mph.)

Thanks for the great job reporting. Reading the updates is almost as good as being there....almost  :wink:
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: k.h. on September 25, 2010, 02:39:36 PM
Just a $.02 thought on improving the shifting of motorcycle transmissions from my KR/XLR assembly on the kitchen table (bachelor) days:  Have the gears tumbled in a ceramic media barrel.  It rounds the corners while polishing the flats. 
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: RayTheRat on September 25, 2010, 02:44:41 PM
...since Mike is a car guy...he doesnt realize you can reduce
frontal area by about 1/4-1/3 by leaning forward and getting
your freakin head DOWN....

I just overheard a conversation where the rider was saying that if he got into any more of a tuck, he couldn't see anything except the hood.  So they're gonna remove the seat which will lower him by a coupla inches and then give him room to slide back.  They aren't through yet
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Gwillard on September 25, 2010, 02:57:15 PM
Maybe they can wrap a ratcheting tie-down around him to help him hunker down a bit more? No pain, no gain!
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: RayTheRat on September 25, 2010, 03:07:32 PM
Maybe they can wrap a ratcheting tie-down around him to help him hunker down a bit more? No pain, no gain!

Good thinkin, man.I'll go mention it to 'em.  :)

Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Texican on September 25, 2010, 03:15:15 PM
Just a $.02 thought on improving the shifting of motorcycle transmissions from my KR/XLR assembly on the kitchen table (bachelor) days:  Have the gears tumbled in a ceramic media barrel.  It rounds the corners while polishing the flats. 


Good eye, mite!
Reminds me of 50 years ago, we would lap in the straight cut first gear in Jaguars, with fine valve grinding compound, so they could be shifted into first whilst still moving; thus avoiding the angry catlike snarl.
There was also the thing with used spark plug gaskets on the shifter shaft to keep it from going over center and locking up.
Jim
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: quick99 on September 25, 2010, 03:26:51 PM
They call it backcutting/undercutting the gears now. All the dragbikes have this done.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Dean Los Angeles on September 25, 2010, 03:30:13 PM
Quote
maybe Ack liner can make some Teague like shifts....slow but sure....

How much speed do you drop when you do that?

Quote
the rider was saying that if he got into any more of a tuck, he couldn't see anything except the hood.

Tell him he doesn't need to see at all. Put your head down and only bring it up for the odd correction.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Texican on September 25, 2010, 03:32:52 PM
Here's a "Headsup" for The Salt Lake area roads:
Thursday afternoon, the road resurfacing in West Valley was awful.
Complete rotomill and fresh asphalt work in progress. It appears to not be a problem at the present.
Jim
http://www.utahcommuterlink.com/ (http://www.utahcommuterlink.com/)
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: joea on September 25, 2010, 03:37:08 PM
"""How much speed do you drop when you do that?"""

...uuh.. a h e l l of alot less than not making a shift...

these "modern" trans shift just dandy...unless something is wrong...

undercutting of gears...REMOVES rounded edges on dogs and slots...
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Papi on September 25, 2010, 03:44:09 PM
SSS or RTR - so is Ack gonna run again or what?

Dean- where's our scorecard for today man, you're slackin'.

Geezus my interwebz bill for tying up the T1 over this shindig today coulda bought me an entry fee.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Papi on September 25, 2010, 04:05:49 PM
I needs an internetz bandaid for my refresh finger, it's got a blister on it.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: RayTheRat on September 25, 2010, 04:21:15 PM
SSS or RTR - so is Ack gonna run again or what?

Dean- where's our scorecard for today man, you're slackin'.

Geezus my interwebz bill for tying up the T1 over this shindig today coulda bought me an entry fee.

I just talked with Mike Akatiff.  They've installed a gear that would have run WAY over 400 in 5th.  They're gonna run it in 4th, since it's the 4-5 shift that's been a problem.  They've completed warming the motors, the skins are on and it's being loaded on the hauler....more...
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: RayTheRat on September 25, 2010, 04:27:10 PM
...they're gonna put in position and wait for a wind opportunity (well, lack thereof) and go for the whole enchilada.  Ack said he didn't come here to go home saying to himself, "I wish we'd tried...."
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: RayTheRat on September 25, 2010, 04:36:37 PM
Ack attack is on the grouns. motors running, course is locked
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: WildBro on September 25, 2010, 04:37:56 PM
...since Mike is a car guy...he doesnt realize you can reduce
frontal area by about 1/4-1/3 by leaning forward and getting
your freakin head DOWN....

He could stick his head into the fairing/windsheild, don't think it against the rules for him, even if it is, people seem to brake this rule a lot on the salt.

Bill
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 25, 2010, 04:39:17 PM
Ack Attack bike is at the start line now for the Hail Mary attempt.  Nancy and I went to drop off our trailer (during the past half hour) and that's why no reports.   So -- Ray's got it right, they've put on a sprocket that'll give them 385 at redline in fourth gear.  Rocky's been starting off the truck in second, so now he'll use first through fourth and see if it'll run.  This run will tell us what's left in the year for the team.  If they do okay -- there's likely a return run right soon.  If it doesn't go well -- hey, that's racing.

Wind is very good -- low and not gusting.  Stay tuned.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Papi on September 25, 2010, 04:43:49 PM
I'm out of fingernails and my internetz refresh finger is bleeding...

Go ROCKY!
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: RayTheRat on September 25, 2010, 04:44:02 PM
Ice for the intercooler is going in, wind is very good.  Lookin good for a fast run.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 25, 2010, 04:47:44 PM
We're locked down and Rocky is getting into the bike.  Wind is great -- ready to run.  Engines running.

Bike is running, bike is moving.  

YEE-hah, he got it a little sideways and tipped right and got it back and is going okay now.  Not winding the engines too high, it sounds.

Entry speed 360.3    kilo  366.6  mile 366.7  exit 373.8
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Glen on September 25, 2010, 04:53:13 PM
Wow. :-D now turn it around and do it again :cheers:
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Papi on September 25, 2010, 04:53:56 PM
Wow. :-D now turn it around and do it again :cheers:

Exactly  :cheers:
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: coloradodave on September 25, 2010, 04:54:15 PM
Come on Rocky you can do  it :-o
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: isiahstites on September 25, 2010, 04:57:38 PM
We're locked down and Rocky is getting into the bike.  Wind is great -- ready to run.  Engines running.

Bike is running, bike is moving.  

YEE-hah, he got it a little sideways and tipped right and got it back and is going okay now.  Not winding the engines too high, it sounds.

Entry speed 360.3    kilo  366.6  mile 366.7  exit 373.8

Does he have to go 1% over to qualify or is it 1% over for two combined runs?

My math tells me he has to average 371.xxx for a record, is this correct?
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: fjlee on September 25, 2010, 04:59:29 PM
Come on.......Ack.....Rocky.......   I'm "pullin' " for ya........!!

FjLee  in Denver CO
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: RayTheRat on September 25, 2010, 04:59:55 PM
Rocky gettin in, liner launched.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: stwheeler on September 25, 2010, 05:00:07 PM
Good Luck, Rocky!!!! :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Papi on September 25, 2010, 05:00:55 PM
DO IT!  Mojo coming your way
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Freud on September 25, 2010, 05:03:09 PM
The 1% rule doesn't apply to the bikes.  368+ will do it.

I think I'm right. Hope so.

FREUD
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Elmo Rodge on September 25, 2010, 05:04:41 PM
I forget. What's the record he's running on? Wayno
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: stwheeler on September 25, 2010, 05:05:08 PM
367
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: coloradodave on September 25, 2010, 05:05:32 PM
Chris Carr's 367 from last year
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Texican on September 25, 2010, 05:06:47 PM
I forget. What's the record he's running on? Wayno

367.3++
Jim

Per Wikipedia:
26 September 2008 Bonneville, U.S. Rocky Robinson U.S.A Top Oil-Ack Attack streamliner 2,600 cc (160 cu in) 360.913 580.833 twin Suzuki engines.

24 September 2009 Bonneville, U.S. Chris Carr BUB - Lucky 7 streamliner 2,997 cc (182.9 cu in) 367.382 591.244 BUB/Sierra Design V4.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Glen on September 25, 2010, 05:07:10 PM
Status report???
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Freud on September 25, 2010, 05:07:10 PM
Chris Carr set a new FIM world record and AMA national record at 367.382mph


Quoted from Google

He needs 368.746 plu the fraction after using .7 as the decimal on his initial run.    368.85 will do it

FREUD
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Cole222 on September 25, 2010, 05:08:14 PM
367.382

Get er done Rocky!  And if it is feeling right put her into 5th....
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: isiahstites on September 25, 2010, 05:10:17 PM
Chris' exit speed was 372.534 mph

Record is 367.382 so Ack needs a 368.2 for an average of 367.4 for the record.

Scott
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: RCKirby on September 25, 2010, 05:10:57 PM
Come on Rocky and Mike...let the other shoe drop!!!!!!
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 25, 2010, 05:12:40 PM
Interesting dcebagte on the speed for the old record.  Murph, our itinerant spectator here, has an autograph on his bike's gas tank -- signed by Denis.  It says 367.338 mph.  

F I M Charlie says 367 -- didn't give any decimal places in his response.

I believe Freud is right -- no 1% requirement.  FIM Charlie confirms there is no such anything requiremewnt for bikes.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Papi on September 25, 2010, 05:15:25 PM
My blood loss from the bleeding internetz refresh finger is at critical. Hurry up so I can go to the ER.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 25, 2010, 05:15:57 PM
Charlie reports the existing record is 367.382 for a mile and 367.558 for the kilo.  And he goes on to remind us that aren't up to snuff on metric stuff -- that it'd be cool if Rocky could run a 327.822 - - 'cause it would be a nice even 600 kilometers/hr.

Correction:  I shoulda said 372.822, not 327.822.  Ooops.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: fjlee on September 25, 2010, 05:17:36 PM
Whew!!!!   This is makin' me crazy!!

Would it be PC for me to wish for a slight tail-wind on the return run.......?

FjLee      Denver CO
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Jimbo on September 25, 2010, 05:20:08 PM

 Is Bobby Cleveland DONE or are they changing the motor
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Freud on September 25, 2010, 05:22:54 PM
QUOTE:  it'd be cool if Rocky could run a 327.822

I think he wants to go considerably faster than that.

Maybe 372.+++

FREUD
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Papi on September 25, 2010, 05:23:47 PM
I think he wants to go considerably faster than that.
FREU

We all do.  :cheers:
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 25, 2010, 05:24:18 PM
Cleveland is done running for speed -- and changing to a real mower deck.  They want to get into the Guiness book of records, and that requires not only speed -- but also actuaqlly cutting grass on the same day.  John Hansen (Peppermill Grop) is sending some sod from the golf course so they can do the cutting.

By the way -- I apologize for a typo a few posts ago.  600 km/hr equals 372.822 mph, not the 327.822 that I posted.  I'm going to go back and correct the typo now -- but figgered I might as well admit the error first.

About five minutes or so 'til the Ack bike is ready to run, I hear -- they're packing the chute and filling the intercooler and getting ready.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Texican on September 25, 2010, 05:26:13 PM
"She who must be obeyed" has commented that 'they couldn't have picked a hotter time of day...'   "That's Racin'."
Presently at the truck scales: 77*
 14%Humid;
Killer wind 07 from SE; across the track...

Anybody out there got a witch doctor in captivity with a bag of bones and teeth?
Start shakin'.
Jim

PS: 90 folks viewing at this time...
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Kansas Bad Man on September 25, 2010, 05:30:45 PM

All my fingers and toes crossed for you Rocky!

                                          Max
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: coloradodave on September 25, 2010, 05:31:28 PM
No bones and teeth but I have a pile of fingernails that I have chewed off the last hour
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: joea on September 25, 2010, 05:33:11 PM
texican...do you realize the "hottest" air is the thinnest (BEST aero) air...

they picked the best time of the day to run.....they carry their
own atmospheric air for the engine...boost...
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: RayTheRat on September 25, 2010, 05:34:33 PM
No bones and teeth but I have a pile of fingernails that I have chewed off the last hour

You otta be out here.  You can cut the tension with a knife.  Wind is zero over the whole course.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: isiahstites on September 25, 2010, 05:36:17 PM
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Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Papi on September 25, 2010, 05:36:45 PM
Goosfraba.... Gooosfraba....
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 25, 2010, 05:37:11 PM
Winds are dead calm on the entire length of the international race course here at the Bonneville Salt Flats, Wendover, Utah, USA.  Rocky is about to get in the bike.  this is goona be something -- no matter what happens.

I hope you're all sending the best thoughts you can his way -- I know that those of us here at the track are.

Rocky is ready to go -- dressed and in the bike.

Engine is running, canopy is closed.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Texican on September 25, 2010, 05:37:50 PM
texican...do you realize the "hottest" air is the thinnest (BEST aero) air...

they picked the best time of the day to run.....they carry their
own atmospheric air for the engine...boost...

Good point, well stated.
I'm still old school and thinking N/A...sorry 'bout that.
Jim
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: coloradodave on September 25, 2010, 05:38:24 PM
Goosfraba.... Gooosfraba....
???????
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Papi on September 25, 2010, 05:39:59 PM
Goosfraba.... Gooosfraba....
???????

Movie reference: Anger Management Jack Nicholson
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 25, 2010, 05:40:30 PM
Bike is under way.  Started well back, before the zero, even.  There's been discussion on how muddy it is in case he needs the low speed skids on the start.

Through the one mile, by the two
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: sodbuster on September 25, 2010, 05:40:53 PM
SSS, You should have Loctite sponsor your site with a banner ad..........I have been looking at the Speedway ad all week and with a TON of page views I bet you could get some of the guys some sponsor numbers.

Thanks to everyone for the updates this past week..........Dumb question, but would an iPad make it easier for you and Ray to post updates? If so, I bet that a BUNCH of guys on here would make a donation to a iPad fund.

Thanks,
Chris Nelson
Kansas
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: coloradodave on September 25, 2010, 05:40:58 PM
Goosfraba.... Gooosfraba....
???????

Movie reference: Anger Management Jack Nicholson
Got it thanks, ignore my ignorance please.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 25, 2010, 05:42:45 PM
Guys, don't post for a coupl;e of minutes, okay?

Entry 361    kilo   366   mile  365  exit 369

DAM N   not quite enough!
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Livin1072 on September 25, 2010, 05:43:04 PM
my veins are pulsing 30% more blood to my head right now...
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Glen on September 25, 2010, 05:44:27 PM
So close what a great effort, do the still have time for another run??
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: joea on September 25, 2010, 05:48:22 PM
glen..there is no way they cant try another......

can you say...dialing up more boost...?...
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Texican on September 25, 2010, 05:49:30 PM
So close what a great effort, do the still have time for another run??
That's pretty much up to the folks on the scene;
there were runs after 19:00 hrs in the middle of the week. (7:00 PM for civilians).
Jim
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Glen on September 25, 2010, 05:50:11 PM
I hope that they do Joe, they deserve the record.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 25, 2010, 05:54:16 PM
They've got about an hour and 55 minutes left in the 2 hour window.  That is -- for bikes the two runs for a record must be back-to-back, so if they don't like runs #1 & 2 they can throw out #1 and use #2 and the new #1.  So in other words -- 1 &2 or 2 & 3 or 3 & 4, etc.  The 2-hour window resets each time.  No problemo -- and I can assure you that being this close -- they're going to make another run.  Fuel, ice, maybe a latte for Rocky -- then back in the bike and give 'er once again.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Papi on September 25, 2010, 05:57:00 PM
Awesome!  Glad to hear they are giving it another shot.
Browsers everywhere are glued right here!
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Texican on September 25, 2010, 05:57:13 PM
glen..there is no way they cant try another......

can you say...dialing up more boost...?...

Here' hoping, and a few prayers might help.
realistically, about 3 hrs daylight to work with.

 September 25, 2010  Set:
Actual Time 7:26 AM MDT 7:28 PM MDT
Civil Twilight 6:59 AM MDT 7:55 PM MDT
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: RayTheRat on September 25, 2010, 05:57:16 PM
my veins are pulsing 30% more blood to my head right now...

Send some of that blood this way. I'm a little short on coronary arteries.   :roll:
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Glen on September 25, 2010, 06:02:11 PM
Jon & Ray, thanks for sharing your time for this and allowing us to follow history being made live via the computer inputs and great photos.. We love you a tip of the hat to both of you.
 :cheers:
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Bobby c on September 25, 2010, 06:08:26 PM
SSS, can we get one more clarification on the 1 % rule from FIM Charlie!!!!!
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: TINY on September 25, 2010, 06:19:39 PM
The pictures & reporting have been outstanding.Great job by everyone Especially Mike Cook & his Landspeed event crew congradulations to all  :cheers: :cheers: :-D :-D :cheers:
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Glen on September 25, 2010, 06:24:19 PM
Tiny, you are so right and the hard work he has put in with the results are his and the crews rewards. Just think we will be there again next week for the world finals. They deserve a great big hand shake from everyone on the salt.
 :cheers:
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: coloradodave on September 25, 2010, 06:32:00 PM
Lots of love to Ray and Slim
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 25, 2010, 06:32:19 PM
There is nothing to clarify about a 1% rule for FIM records.  There ain't no such requirement.  A thousandth of a mph and km/hr is enough.

Sure is relaxed frantic-ness in the Ack pit.  Freshen the water in the tank at front, looking at battery charge, tweak the tuneup on the laptop and put it into the bike, Rocky himself is packing the chute -- you all know the drill, but add the tension of an FIM record and being oh-so close -- and you've got it.  Sorry you aren't here in person - I'll do what I can to share the fun with you.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: sprintboat on September 25, 2010, 06:38:58 PM
HAS ACK RUN YET?
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Bobby c on September 25, 2010, 06:41:20 PM
Thank you SSS,
I believe the 1 % rule was established (at least at the BUB Meet) to prevent riders from making (Glory) returns when they were not even close to the record.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 25, 2010, 06:42:15 PM
The Ack Attack bike engines are running in the pit/on the transporter.  They're working on getting the cover on the bike.  They're sure going to give it one heck of a try to get the record, and if they fall short -- they'll sure as heck be able to hold gtheir heads up high for at least having given it every possible try.  Best wishes to them, right?

Engines are now off and they'll move the bike to the start line (as close as they can get to the freeway).  By the way, I mentioned that Rocky got the bike a bit sideways on his first leave -- he said that the truck and bike didn't separate right and the truck kicked the back of the bike left.  I'd guess it takes a rider with lots of time in a 'liner to be able to drive through something like that and not get so flustered that he can't finish the run.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: RayTheRat on September 25, 2010, 06:44:17 PM
The Ack Attack team just stated they can be ready to run by 5 peeyem.  They're gonna go for it....which is why I'm still here.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Bobby c on September 25, 2010, 06:45:16 PM
Rocky is a Pro and that is why he has that seat!
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Texican on September 25, 2010, 06:48:01 PM
The Ack Attack team just stated they can be ready to run by 5 peeyem.  They're gonna go for it....which is why I'm still here.

Man, am I ever glad that the whole crew can deal with getting back to work Monday a little late, and a little tired.
Hope most are self- employed or with understanding folks in this great industry.(SPEED)
  Jim
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 25, 2010, 06:48:44 PM
In the meantime -- Bobby Cleveland just put down some big numbers for a lawnmower -- faster, in fact, than Mike Cook's diesel pickup.  Cleveland ran entry 94.0  kilo 96.6  mile  96.1   exit 96.7

Cook's truck will go 93 -- he's got timing slips for that.  Embarrassing, hey -- big truck gets beat by lawnmower. . .

Ack engine is running.

The engines are off, they're hooking the truck to the transporter and getting set to tow to the start line.  Still have plenty of time -- more than 45 minutes or so.  The lawnmower is on a one-hour turnaround -- they've got about the same time left.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Papi on September 25, 2010, 07:01:38 PM
The lawnmower is on a one-hour turnaround -- they've got about the same time left.

SSS- Did it Mow the lawn yet?
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: joea on September 25, 2010, 07:06:07 PM
..secret agreement....wheel pack and "blade" the course with the
world record lawmower...for that extra speed Ack needs...
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Livin1072 on September 25, 2010, 07:06:47 PM
..secret agreement....wheel pack and "blade" the course with the
world record lawmower...for that extra speed Ack needs...

I like it Joe  :cheers: make it soo
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 25, 2010, 07:08:04 PM
The Ack bike is moving to the start, Rocky is down there wearing his suit with the arms wrapped around his waist.  The camera crew is having a super time getting some footage.  Bike is on the ground.  Maybe eight minutes 'til it runs, per Mike A. on the radio.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Texican on September 25, 2010, 07:09:28 PM
The Ack Attack team just stated they can be ready to run by 5 peeyem.  They're gonna go for it....which is why I'm still here.

I sure hope the Discovery Channel bunch is still there; able to extend; this is ONE terrific human interest story; exactly what all the cable channel shows love, especially The Disney Group.
I believe they are part of the "Big D" outfit. Si?
Jim
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Richard 2 on September 25, 2010, 07:12:19 PM
The lawnmower is on a one-hour turnaround -- they've got about the same time left.

SSS- Did it Mow the lawn yet?
I would of thought he would of mowed the grass first incase he blew it up.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 25, 2010, 07:14:07 PM
Bike is moving - heading towards us -- we're now at the four mile

entry 379   mile 386  

HE DID IT!!!!!!!

What a run, what a rush to see him blow past us. 

Official speeds   entry  379.3   mkilo  387.1   milke 386.9   exit  394 mph.  WHOLLY SH*T
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: RayTheRat on September 25, 2010, 07:15:30 PM
Mile speed 386!!!
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Livin1072 on September 25, 2010, 07:15:49 PM
YES!!!!!!  :cheers:

Congrats TEAM Ack!!

Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: RayTheRat on September 25, 2010, 07:16:40 PM
Exit speed 394!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: 4-barrel Mike on September 25, 2010, 07:16:57 PM
Yes!

Turn it around, turn it up, 14 more!   :mrgreen:

Mike
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: coloradodave on September 25, 2010, 07:17:11 PM
Awesome!!! :cheers:
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Elmo Rodge on September 25, 2010, 07:17:40 PM
I think 5th gear is highly over rated.  :cheers: Wayno
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: stwheeler on September 25, 2010, 07:17:54 PM
Boy did he up the record
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Glen on September 25, 2010, 07:19:05 PM
what and awesome run, congrats to all or the team and a great rider :-D
:cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: fjlee on September 25, 2010, 07:19:20 PM

OMG..........

Holy  Saab......!!

What a bunch of absolute  _STUDS_.........!!!!

FjLee      Denver CO
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: stwheeler on September 25, 2010, 07:19:39 PM
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Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Speed Limit 1000 on September 25, 2010, 07:20:03 PM
Most Busa motors have 6 speeds. :cheers:
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Glen on September 25, 2010, 07:20:53 PM
one wheel drive, two engines, wonder what the propsters remarks will be on this.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: RayTheRat on September 25, 2010, 07:21:01 PM
New record Mile 376.156 Kilo 376.363!!!
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Kansas Bad Man on September 25, 2010, 07:21:45 PM
 :-D  :-D :cheers: :cheers: :cheers::- :lol: :cheers:D :lol:  :cheers:: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:-D

Boy, oh boy, oh boy!  Great job Mike, Rocky, and team!!!!

                               Max






Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Texican on September 25, 2010, 07:22:06 PM
 :-D  MAAHVELOUS, DAHLING, Simply MAAHVELOUS!!!!!!
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Glen on September 25, 2010, 07:23:55 PM
Mike Cook put on one heck of a meet. Awesome, great WOW, super. Cook you did good and we all thank you for all you do.
 :cheers:
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: RichFox on September 25, 2010, 07:25:19 PM
Let me add my congratulations to the group. Unreal. I know you made your day but you made mine also.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Papi on September 25, 2010, 07:26:15 PM
This is EPIC!

Best LSR Thread Ever   :cheers:

Congrats to Mike and Ack Team, Super great job to Rocky !!!
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Tom Slick on September 25, 2010, 07:28:33 PM
Absolutely amazing!!! Almost 400mph from a bike. Maybe it's time to rename this event too "Cook's 400mph Shootout!"
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: efenn611 on September 25, 2010, 07:28:57 PM
Thanks for a GREAT week!!!!! is it over so I can finally go to work ? This 'liner ain't gonna weld itself !             
                                        :cheers:
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: sprintboat on September 25, 2010, 07:29:10 PM
In 4th gear?
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Hanger18 on September 25, 2010, 07:29:37 PM
Congratulations to Mike, Rocky & all the Ack Team, from Gabriel, Jim, and all of the Angelic Bulldog Team here in the UK.

Well done boys !!!
 :cheers:
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Lynchy on September 25, 2010, 07:30:01 PM
Well done team Ack Attack and Rocky! An amazing achievement, well deserved!
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: desotoman on September 25, 2010, 07:30:28 PM
Congratulations to Mike, Rocky and crew.

Tom G.

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Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: k.h. on September 25, 2010, 07:31:19 PM
As Mr. Cook said earlier, "We're here to run!"  And run they did.  Fantastic.  Fantastic reporting and amazing that we got it here first.  
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Larry Forstall on September 25, 2010, 07:31:45 PM
Some people set records. You EARNED this one.  :-o   :-o  Big Congrats to the whole team. The race to 400 is now a reality. We, the spoiled spectators, can't wait for the Red Machine to return. One of the great LSR rivalries of alltime.  Bonneville, real racing for the love of SPEED. Just a fantastic year, 400mph cars everywhere and now a m/c right there. The racing is alive and well, lets hope the Salt itself can get better.What a week.  LSL   :cheers:
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Dynoroom on September 25, 2010, 07:32:06 PM
Absolutely a fantastic show all week, SSS, R the R, Thanks to everyone involved.

Congratulations: Spirit of Rett & team, Ack Attack & team, Spectra & team, Nish & team, Speed Demon & team, All the other car & bike teams running this week, AND Mike Cook & his team.

SIMPLY AMAZING!
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Freud on September 25, 2010, 07:37:45 PM
ABSOLUTELY STERLING ! ! ! !

Great job, Rocky, Mike & crew, the Cooks and also, lets not forget that TOP 1 did their part.

They may make the number larger on the scooter next time.

Arfons couldn't stay home when Breedlove was running.  Maybe the same situation here.

Denis, can you run in the snow?

FREUD
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: RayTheRat on September 25, 2010, 07:38:24 PM
137 users and guests online!

Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: desotoman on September 25, 2010, 07:39:04 PM
A heartfelt THANK YOU to SSS, Nancy, Ray Therat, and anyone else who posted results this last week.

Thanks again,

Tom G.

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Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Bob Drury on September 25, 2010, 07:39:14 PM
  WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW!!!!!!!   Hope the lawnmower breaks 100............... what a meet!  What a show!!!!!!   Mike Cook and crew= Bravo!  
  To every one involved with the meet................. :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Texican on September 25, 2010, 07:39:54 PM
Ray,
  Please give Slim a $20 from me, and I'll reimburse you when I see you.
 A few other folks might chip in to subsidize the extra days (plural)
food and lodging, plus airline schedule reshuffling and parking at the home airport, etc. etc. etc.

Much Kudos to all, and esp. Loctite corp for stepping up with great products.
Regards, and thanks again,
Jim

PS: Is Denis going to be ready for W/F?

Talk to the weather turkeys; no more rain until October 10 or 11.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: joea on September 25, 2010, 07:40:07 PM
....THE EPITOME OF LSR......


""""""""""""""""""""""Ack asked Cook "...should we pack it up and go?" and Cook responded "What are we here for?", and Ack ended the conversation "OK.""""""""""""""""""""""


Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: RayTheRat on September 25, 2010, 07:41:12 PM
I gotta split.  I have a car show to shoot tomorrow and I don't wanna be completely draggin when I get there.  And I have a new camera waiting for me at home.  :)  Don't tell 'em what it is, Doc.  Let 'em guess.

Bye for now
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: thundersalt on September 25, 2010, 07:42:20 PM
What a way to end an amazing week. Congrats and thanks to all.  :cheers:
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: theazoldcrow on September 25, 2010, 07:44:10 PM
 :cheers:  Way to GO!  Congratulations to Rocky and the whole crew!      Now I can breathe regluarly now!!!!!!    :cheers:    Crow.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: k.h. on September 25, 2010, 07:46:20 PM
SSS, Nancy, & Ray, thanks for hanging out an extra day.  You all certainly made our day.  

Just uncorked a bottle of plonk (caramel and vanilla tones with a velvety texture) in honor of all the big speeds Mr. Cook and company made possible.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Freud on September 25, 2010, 07:49:50 PM
Denis can't run at a SCTA meet.

The previous Record Holder can't pass tech. Ironic?

Even if he did, they aren't FIM.

FREUD
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Glen on September 25, 2010, 07:51:57 PM
What ticks me off is no media coverage from Salt Lake on any of this. What a shame. Wendover is just a bus stop to them. There is so much history in Wendover.

That's why the internet is so great and the news papers and the postal systems are going broke.

I am blurry eyed from looking at this screen but wouldn't have missed it for anything.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: trimmers on September 25, 2010, 07:54:53 PM
Thanks to Slim, Nancy, Ray, Jon, and everyone who helped out with the reporting and pictures.

Congratulations to all the teams – four cars over 400 and a new bike record that’s knockin’ on the door!

Kudo’s to Mike Cook, Loctite, and all the officials and workers who contributed to this greatest show on salt!

Jeff in Boise
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: pookie on September 25, 2010, 07:55:50 PM
Man-o-man this really was a very special moment in landspeed history... I got goose bumps reading the blow by blow commentary, and with that storey book ending it was really GREAT STUFF!!!! Congratulations to all the participants, the officials, and  Mike Cook & Associates for a Great Event..... WOW !!!!!  Mike R.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: -Bob- on September 25, 2010, 07:56:10 PM
CONGRATULATIONS ACK ATTAK


From the LAMTRAK/ G-Force snowmobile team

We caugh the salt fever.. see you soon on the salt

Thanks Jon and Ray.  

I'l push the "donnation" button right now
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: hechtrod on September 25, 2010, 08:01:51 PM
Wow!  Congrats! 

Am I wrong or did the Ack bike have a stock busa motor with a race motor?  Didn't I read that they removed one and instead of a backup race motor in the crate, there was a stock one?

Anyway, what a meet.  I like "Cook's 400MPH Shootout" as the new name!

So fun to read and see the play by play!

Chris
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Black Rose Racing on September 25, 2010, 08:03:47 PM
LSR is alive and well !

  Congratulations Racers

 Thanks to Ray,Jon and Nancy for the great coverage and to ALL of the Shootout staff for an incredible event.

  I'm off to the parts store now to buy armloads of Loctite products. And thank you, Loctite Corp. for supporting LSR.
 
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: crusher on September 25, 2010, 08:06:33 PM
This is Mike Charlton. Me and my brothers are home in Eastlake, Ohio after a 22 hour bonsai run. We did give it one more shot ten miles out of Salt Lake City. Tried to run motor with the bad wheel in it. Still no luck. If it would have started we were turning around. Nonetheless, had a great time and i want to sincerely thank the people that helped us, in no particular order: Landend Linda, Mike Cook, Mike Cook Jr., Tiny Jr., Seldom Seen whatshisname and Nancy, Ray the Rat, people from Loctite; the Nish Family and Friends - thanks a bunch; Mike Ack Ken Ack, Rocky Robinson, whoever was cooking the food at the Ack Pit, Carmen at the Black and White; i almost forgot, Mad Max, Stainless and anyone else i forgot to mention. This story is not over. We will be back.

Peace,
Mike Charlton and brothers. and Sissy the attack dog.  
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Jimbo on September 25, 2010, 08:11:10 PM

what happen to Bobby Cleveland the Lawn mower Dude
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 25, 2010, 08:11:36 PM
By the way, the lawnmower is going to make yet another run.  They're gaining speed each run -- hit a 97 on the most recent one.  They want to break 100  -  and they're so close.  Good luck to them.

Still quite a party going on here at the 12 mile.  We'll keep in touch for you.   Thanks for all of the congratulations -- I've tried to let the team know what you're saying -- and I'm naming names when I can.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: joea on September 25, 2010, 08:14:18 PM
..sss...naming names..?...well then...tell him joea says....wonder
what it would do with the "doors" on...:).....
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Livin1072 on September 25, 2010, 08:20:19 PM
..sss...naming names..?...well then...tell him joea says....wonder
what it would do with the "doors" on...:).....

and maybe in 6th gear....  :-o
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: WhizzbangK.C. on September 25, 2010, 08:22:10 PM
I'm surprised they're not working like hell to turn it around for another run. Take the last two for the record, but try like heck to get that first motorcycle time slip for 400+ !!! That just goes to show that they're better men than me. If I were in their position I couldn't resist taking a shot at it.

Thanks for the great coverage to everyone involved, and to all the organizers and competitors for putting on a great competition and bringing it to us live!

I'll be hitting the donate button as well, as soon as some cash shows up in my bank account that's not already claimed, LOL.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: joea on September 25, 2010, 08:42:36 PM
whizz...if you were in "their" position...you might not see it as you do now..:)
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: 4-barrel Mike on September 25, 2010, 08:44:11 PM
What ticks me off is no media coverage from Salt Lake on any of this. What a shame. Wendover is just a bus stop to them. There is so much history in Wendover.

That's why the internet is so great and the news papers and the postal systems are going broke.

I am blurry eyed from looking at this screen but wouldn't have missed it for anything.

Was Hot Rod mag there?  Major article on Poteet in the November issue.  

Would be a shame if they weren't there to watch the best Hot Rod Show in years.

Mike
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 25, 2010, 08:47:07 PM
Whew.  Things are starting to settle and the reality of it all is hitting us smack in the face.  We got to see a bike run over 390 miles per hour!  Whooo- hoooo!

Mike Cook Junior just stopped by here and asked us to give a big thank you from the Cooks for the participation of you folks on the internet -- showing your support for Land Speed Enterprises and all of the racers.  Junior says "we couldn't do it without you -- and we have so much fun that it's a heck (my interpretation of what he really said) of a lot of fun for Mike, Junior, Garcia, Tommy - and everyone.  Land's End Lynda and her people, Nancy and me, and on and on".

Thank you, Cook family.  We all enjoyed it just as much as you did.

Am I right, folks?
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: WhizzbangK.C. on September 25, 2010, 08:52:36 PM
whizz...if you were in "their" position...you might not see it as you do now..:)

I'm sure that's very true, and I'm sure I'll never find out for sure.  :wink:
Sure is fun to dream about though.  :cheers:
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: RidgeRunner on September 25, 2010, 08:55:39 PM
"Am I right folks?"    RIGHT ON!

              Ed
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: WhizzbangK.C. on September 25, 2010, 08:58:46 PM
"Am I right folks?"    RIGHT ON!

              Ed

Yeah, what he said!!!

I was supposed to get my shop cleaned today so I can get started on next year's build. It rained and I couldn't move everything outside to clean, so I had to sit here and hit refresh all day instead.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Cole222 on September 25, 2010, 09:01:07 PM
May I add my Thank You to all involved in a great week at the Cook Shootout! Now maybe some of us can get some work done to pay for our trips to Bonneville and making on our own milestones.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: racergeo on September 25, 2010, 09:07:10 PM
   The thing that really stands out to me is the level of success that each team had. NO one went home a failure all succeeded at the highest level. The other thing is the variety of streamliner designs and power plants. This ain't your mothers cooky cutter motor sport like NASCAR or NHRA.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: mr48chev on September 25, 2010, 09:11:46 PM
Wow, that was fun, getting to follow the runs as they happen while sitting way too far away.  Thanks for the updates and mile by mile speeds as they happen.  Not as good as sitting there listening to it live but a lot better than waiting for the magazine coverage two months from now.
The bad part is that I'm sitting here with about 60 use it or loose it annual leave hours that I could have used to go there.

Thanks once again.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Brian Westerdahl on September 25, 2010, 09:18:40 PM
Way to COOL  Congrats to everyone  What a meet.  I sure wish I could have been there.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: DrofRockology on September 25, 2010, 09:31:03 PM
bitchen job, rocky and crew!

congratulations!
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Bobby c on September 25, 2010, 10:05:07 PM
If memory serves I remember the BUB crew thrashing until almost the last second, on the last day,  and finally getting this record! The Ack crew did the same this year and I am in awe of thier achievement!
Congrats to Rocky, Mike and the entire crew.... you all earned this one!
Bob
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Rcktscientist on September 25, 2010, 10:12:21 PM
I was at the Airport returning home when I read af the record runs. Called Amir & let him know and we'd like to extend the heartiest congratulations from the Spectre crew to Mike Akatiff, Rocky Robinson and the entire Ack crew. What an accomplishment! We watched the difficulties you endured and never waivered from your mission. 394 Exit, I still have chills when I say it aloud. Kudos! :cheers:
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: SPARKY on September 25, 2010, 10:18:12 PM
Wow---what a meet and to think  I chose to go to my 50th HS reuinion :-(

WAY to go after it ALL of you!!!!!
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: wolcottjl on September 25, 2010, 10:31:01 PM
One of the highlights of this year!  Suspense, Failure, Perseverance, Success.  All a motor sports fan could ask for and more. Jon this is why I send money.  You and Ray have done a fantastic job this year.  Without you we would have to wait for whatever magazine decided to cover the meet, if at all.  Thank You again. 


To those participating and setting records.  You have set the bar high!  The records give those of us who participate in the sport a goal to shoot for.  We congratulate you for your accomplishments.  There is nothing more satisfying and humbling the recognition and respect from your peers. I hope you take some time and enjoy the feeling.  Then get back to work and set the bar higher next year.  As my dad would say - You have done well! 
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 25, 2010, 10:33:21 PM
Here are a few shots of the lawnmower and the pit/truck/transporter.

(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202010/IMG_2780.jpg)

(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202010/IMG_2781.jpg)

(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202010/IMG_2779.jpg)

Did I already post this pic of Bobby and his ride?

(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202010/IMG_2776.jpg)

So - to the Ack Attack bike, team, and story:  The team members in the pit waiting for Rocky to come rolling in from the second run of the day.  Note the appearance of suspense and concern and plain ol' worry that he didn't quite make the numbers:

(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202010/IMG_2787.jpg)


So -- here's the bike after Rocky's down run -- which was really the second run of his day.  The bike came rolling in with engines idling, and a faint aroma of smoke.  Bodywork was quickly removed (you'd be pleased if you saw how quickly and efficiently the firefighters can undo Dzus buttons without scratching the paint), and once it was off -- ah, good -- just the header's heat tape wrap was smoking.

(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202010/IMG_2790.jpg)

Firemen bent over the bike in the foreground, Rocky and crew member in the back:

(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202010/IMG_2789.jpg)

So if the bike wouldn't shift beyond fourth (well, one engine would, the other wouldn't -- well, what to do?  While Rocky was in the pit he was brainstorming.  Mike Akatiff went to the lawnmower pit (about 5 miles down course) to join in the celebration (see photos, above) and while he was gone Rocky got the idea of re-gearing so fourth would maybe do it.  He called Mike, he and Mike talked to the gear guy and decided that such-and-such sprockets would be right for 385 or so in fourth, and they decided that what the heck, there wasn't much to lose if it didn't work -- and everything to gain.  So they dug around in the parts boxes -- witness this stack of rear sprockets:

(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202010/IMG_2784.jpg)

Did the "hail Mary" play work?  Look at the smiles on Tricia and Rocky and you tell me if it worked:

(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202010/IMG_2795.jpg)

Here are a few others taken at the celebration.  Ken Puccio, crew chief (in the black hat that I've never seen him without) looks at the bike after it's all over for the day:

(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202010/IMG_2796.jpg)

Mike Cook and Mike Akatiff thanking each other:

(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202010/IMG_2798.jpg)

Other photos.  You pick out who's who, hey?

(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202010/IMG_2802.jpg)

(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202010/IMG_2801.jpg)

(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202010/IMG_2803.jpg)

Introducing Rocky Robinson, the fastest motorcycle rider in the world:

(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202010/IMG_2804.jpg)
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: RayTheRat on September 25, 2010, 11:21:38 PM
SSS, Nancy, & Ray, thanks for hanging out an extra day.  You all certainly made our day. 

Just uncorked a bottle of plonk (caramel and vanilla tones with a velvety texture) in honor of all the big speeds Mr. Cook and company made possible.

Plonk, huh?  I bought a steak as a treat for myself on the way home.  I broiled it and washed it down with a bottle of IBC cream soda.  Sounds like it might have a bit in common.

It really was a day of emotional highs and lows and highs. 

It's good to be home...even if I have a big car show scheduled for tomorrow and a race this coming weekend:
http://www.world-challenge.com/ (http://www.world-challenge.com/)

I'm gonna try to get some of the "Quick Pix" from BUB posted tonite before my face hits the keyboard.

G'nite...I think
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: sabat on September 25, 2010, 11:35:22 PM
Huge congratulations to the Ack Attack team, bravo!

Thanks for great coverage SSS, RTR, Landracing.com kicks ass.

I've been following this thread all week, what a treat to catch up on the last 10 pages, perfect.

Go Top 1 oil, Go Loctite, Thanks Mike Cook  :cheers:
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: peglegcraig on September 26, 2010, 12:00:42 AM
I have had house guests from N.Z. for the past three weeks, today I had to get them to LAX for the return home. We stayed glued to the Put'er for the past two days waiting to catch the news. But had to leave at noon today, just knowing ACK and Rocky were gonna do something big. On the way home, stuck in traffic wondering for hours, got home at 8pm. Poured a drink and dialed up Landracing.com, I saw that the posts had gone from 60 to 70 and started eagerly reading.
 Thank you Slim,Nancy and Ray, a fantastic story and you brought it home for all of us!
 Come on you cheap lurkers, join up and send these hard working people some dough, they earned it!
 ACK and Rocky, You guys showed some real grit this week, way to get things done!
 Worlds Fastest Motorcycle and Worlds Fastest Rider, AGAIN. I can't imagine how it must feel. 
 Congratulations!
PLC
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: JoshH on September 26, 2010, 12:08:50 AM
My god... What week!!! I don't know about you guys but I'm exhausted. This is what racing is all about - the diversity that that all these crews faced was something. ALL these big numbers were truly earned!!!

All is right in my world! Congratulations all around!

Josh
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Richard 2 on September 26, 2010, 12:41:40 AM
...they're gonna put in position and wait for a wind opportunity (well, lack thereof) and go for the whole enchilada.  Ack said he didn't come here to go home saying to himself, "I wish we'd tried...."
Patience and perseverance That's how you do it. Congratulations ACK
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: TINY on September 26, 2010, 01:01:03 AM
I was just talking to Mike Cook & he was telling me the lawnmomer was not part of the shoot out.They had a special deal with & Ack needed 1 more day & worked it out withthem .Also there was a question about Mike Charlton & how much he paid Mike said could not charge him because he did not get out to run.Again super job by Cooks Land Speed Events 7 great coverage & pictures from Slim & Ray.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: RichFox on September 26, 2010, 01:28:52 AM
If, a couple of days ago, you had told me that something could stick me to the computer. I wouldn't have believed it. Today, start a cut, refresh, finish the cut, refresh. Besides the regular winners trophy the Ack crew should get some kind of Emmy for best dramatic record runs with a happy ending.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Freud on September 26, 2010, 01:42:19 AM
You think Rock, Ack and the crew are tired? They have adrenalin to lift them.

Therat, Slim, Nancy: Exhausted. Running on empty and still made the finish line.

Way to go, Folk.  First hand reports with power and rapidity.

I'm certain the racer in SSS made him change his airline reservations. He would have died had he gone home yesterday.

God Job, All.

FREUD
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: saltfever on September 26, 2010, 05:12:16 AM
C O N G R A T U L A T I O N S Mike, Rocky, and the whole Ack Team.

Jon and Ray you made it "live and personal" all week long. Some glib magazine article 2 months from now could never capture the essence of the salt experience in the way that you managed to pull it all together. Jon the way you interacted to personal requests and got us information added a dimension that I have never experienced before with broadband. Great job and many thanks to you all.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: gerry jenkinson on September 26, 2010, 05:44:11 AM
May I add my congratulations to everyone. The event reporting, pictures and the Ack team's performance have been exceptional and very gratefully received here in England.
Next year is going to be interesting.
Thanks again
Gerry Jenkinson
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: JackB750 on September 26, 2010, 07:31:15 AM
Brilliant, accurate, and complete (did I mention fast?) coverage by Slim, Nancy, and Ray. Can't thank you all enough! And to Ack as well as the 400+ liners.......well, "congratulations" hardly seems adequate. You have rocked our world!  :cheers:
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Texican on September 26, 2010, 07:33:11 AM
   " This ain't your mothers cooky cutter motor sport like NASCAR or NHRA."Might I add the infamous IRL?
Since "King Tony" turned it into a spec racing series, they now contribute very little to excite this viewer.
We don't need any more organ donors or spinal cord injuries.

Jim
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: SPARKY on September 26, 2010, 09:21:56 AM
"Patience and perseverance !!!!!!!!

For years my credo was

Enthusiastic, Persistent, Patience!!!!  :cheers:  :cheers:

usually the winner is the last guy to quit  :-P
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: PorkPie on September 26, 2010, 09:43:17 AM
New record Mile 376.156 Kilo 376.363!!!


I'm safe back home....and Rocky done it at last..(and I was not there, sniff)....congrats to him and the whole team.

By the way....this is not only a new record.....Rocky's run are the first bike over 600 kph.....the Lucky 7 with Chris Carr had missed the 600 by a friction....
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: PorkPie on September 26, 2010, 10:57:34 AM


Nice photo of Pork Pie, Ray -- it made Nancy laugh LOUDLY.




Yeah, I asked Ray to make this picture....due to this, that it's though lying under the"helmet" and using the camera to the same time..

.....but this helmet took me in streamlined class....and I was never aware that my nose could called streamline.....
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: PorkPie on September 26, 2010, 11:30:53 AM
I went a little bit through the Shootout pages....yeah, thanks to Jon and Ray.....but, please don't forget

Mike Cook and Mike Cook Jr. - without this two, we would not have this great meet....which was the fastest (wheel driven) meet of all time....what a fantastic meet.

Sorry, Mike's - you was very busy with Roger's Camaro when I left Friday afternoon, so I couldn't say bye bye to you personally....
Thanks again, you two done a great job on this meet.

At last, a big thank you to Dave Petrali for his great birthday present, filling a gap in my historic archive I tried to close for the last 25 years. Thanks.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: hotrod on September 26, 2010, 11:46:35 AM
I just got home and finally have a fast internet connection. It was a fantastic meet, and Mike Cook & Mike Cook Jr. and all the other people that made it happen should be congratulated on a great event. Thanks should also go to Locktite and other advertizers for pitching in as active sponsors for the cars and for this sort of event.

All the cars and bikes worked very hard and set some very impressive records.

Now to get a few hours sleep then to start digging through the thousands of photo's I shot.

I met some great people over in the spectator area and (you know who you are) thanks to the new and old friends and great companion ship they provided through the week.

We had a lot of spectators show up at the last minute as the Wendover Air show wrapped up, and they were really WOW'ed by that record run of the Ack Attack motor cycle. I was doing a little public relations trying to keep them up to speed with what was going on (many had never been to this sort of event and it was like herding cats to get them to stay in one place and wait for the drama to play out). You should have heard the cheer that went up from our little group when the speeds were announced!


Congratulations to all the new records and the valiant attempts that did not bear fruit this time!


Larry (pleasantly exhausted)
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Dean Los Angeles on September 26, 2010, 11:50:35 AM
10 runs over 400. Almost 400 for Rocky. Arguably the best week ever for LSR. Historic. Epic! I can't wait for the movie. Hmm. Maybe Brad Pitt can play SSS.

Mike Cook was a genius for putting this on.

MondayEntryKiloMileExitNotes
9987:09NishShut off at two
9988:23NishShut down - rough course
7158:59Speed Demon403.488413.537413.256422.546
7159:39Speed Demon339.623324.778324.648310.548turbo destroyed
7159:48Speed DemonRecord - Kilo  363.847,  mile 363.673
99810:02NishEngine off, coasting through the two mile - MSD box too hot
7153:35Speed Demon419.611417.730415.649405.196
7153:46Speed DemonNo return run turbo gone again
4514:21SpectreFull course run, no speed - lost a hose, alternator wire came off
9984:29Nish154, exit 140 - lost a hose
9985:40NishCar wouldn't shift
Tuesday
11226:34Spirit of Rett410.92417.027416.903422.645
11227:09Spirit of Rett405.34411.828411.668417.659
11227:15Spirit of RettRecord - Kilo  414.477,  mile 414.316
71510:13Speed Demon208.990199.481199.409190.450NA motor, Drive line/u-joint failure
4511:29Spectre384.038390.474390.308396.223
9981:43Nish399.443404.472404.376409.110
9983:25Nish395.239400.276400.113404.562
8998:05Ack Attack292.402300.912300.452307.373
89910:47Ack Attack287.909295.660294.574297.878
9681:01Jamie Williams193.958196.392195.881196.152
9681:18Jamie Williams192.963194.971195.963202.489
9684:12Jamie Williams194.848199.731199.186201.873
9684:34Jamie Williams195.593197.212198.302204.857
9685:02Jamie Williams184.596184.944184.431182.607nitrous not open
9685:23Jamie Williams200.166200.915200.792201.014
9685:48Jamie Williams191.912197.265196.098196.571
Wednesday
9987:52Nish401.333407.184407.057412.515
9988:39Nish387.782393.472393.227398.003sideways at the quarter mile
45112:02Spectre357.262363.064362.939368.376
7152:05Speed DemonNo speed - broke ring gear
96810:02Jamie Williams211.092211.996211.564210.626
96811:33Jamie Williams202.177200.460200.773200.407
17093:35Scott Horner219.440215.097215.336212.143
17093:59Scott Horner206.044206.493206.447206.702
Thursday
8999:12Ack Attack302.267306.599305.928307.445
89910:29Ack Attack297.077307.117306.598314.946
170910:50Scott Horner207.543207.499207.568207.819
45111:58Spectre375.304380.661380.506385.332
71512:26Speed Demon208.077198.596198.509189.518Heavy Smoke                             
99812:47Nish315.347317.865317.865320.427
9981:25Nish254.538258.871258.769262.795
9981:25NishRecord - kilo  285.359,   mile  285.306
17091:41Scott Horner232.362223.998225.169222.106
4513:08Spectre401.854409.169408.992415.791
4513:44SpectreMotor problems at 2 mile               
9984:07Nish304.918308.046308.056311.294
17084:29Scott Horner228.215223.604224.191222.190
9985:06Nish248.139237.594237.493227.419
17085:33Scott Horner209.796216.682215.931219.86
7575:53239.259242.881245.823242.736
Friday
8997:33Ack Attack311.000311.000311.000313.000Backfiring
7157:45Speed Demon168.000Wouldn't shift
4519:37Spectre
17089:59Scott Horner197.000194.500193.300192.000
75710:48Camaro251.000253.000252.900253.000
71511:47Speed DemonShut down before the three - blown intake
45112:58Spectre401.500408.000408.200414.400
17081:13Scott Horner223.000220.000219.000
4511:49Spectre398.700407.000406.800414.400
7572:43Camaro210.400206.000205.000197.000
9682:43Jamie Williams218.000226.000224.000225.000
1042:52Lawn Mower80.90082.60082.50084.000
1042:59Lawn Mower79.40080.40078.00073.000
17084:42Scott Horner232.700228.700227.400218.400
SSS23.89177.49823.473124.860
Saturday
17087:23Scott Horner240.000229.000226.00027.000
8998:46Ack Attack326.000327.000324.000
17089:09Scott Horner207.000214.000213.000211.000
8999:31Ack Attack255.000239.000shifting problem
10410:53Lawn Mower90.300
8991:47Ack Attack360.300366.600366.700373.800
8992:42Ack Attack361.000366.000365.000369.000
1043:48Lawn Mower94.00096.60096.10096.700
8994:14Ack Attack379.300387.100386.900394.000
Record Mile 376.156 Kilo 376.363!!!


Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Glen on September 26, 2010, 12:13:48 PM
Dean, cool recap, thanks for putting it together. I have it on my desk top
 :cheers:
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Mr411Fan on September 26, 2010, 12:15:50 PM
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
What ticks me off is no media coverage from Salt Lake on any of this. What a shame. Wendover is just a bus stop to them. There is so much history in Wendover.

That's why the internet is so great and the news papers and the postal systems are going broke.

I am blurry eyed from looking at this screen but wouldn't have missed it for anything.



One there here to ponder is all these 400mph runs and a very safe meet, I think the media mostly perks up if they hear about an accident or injury unfortunatly. I agree Glen.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Mr411Fan on September 26, 2010, 12:19:01 PM
What ticks me off is no media coverage from Salt Lake on any of this. What a shame. Wendover is just a bus stop to them. There is so much history in Wendover.

That's why the internet is so great and the news papers and the postal systems are going broke.

I am blurry eyed from looking at this screen but wouldn't have missed it for anything.


One there here to ponder is all these 400mph runs and a very safe meet, I think the media mostly perks up if they hear about an accident or injury unfortunatly. I agree Glen.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Mr411Fan on September 26, 2010, 12:23:53 PM
sorry about that double post, I'm just learning how to use all these message board tools.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 26, 2010, 12:30:42 PM
Nancy and I are at SLCInt'l airport, leaving in less than a half-hour for Ord.  There we'll hang out for 2 hours or more in late afternoon (their time) and board for the 75-minute flight to Marquette Universal Aerodrome.  It's a big airport -- we've got TWO gates.  That's huge, hey?

So -- Jim the Texican is calling and emailing and working to get media coverage set up, and I'll be writing up a release or two to submit to said media.  I'll try to get it done while riding on the plane (we've got exit row seats so I'll have a bit extra room to type) and I'll email it to Jim during our hiatus at O'Hare.

We'll do what we can from this end.  Unh, maybe I should ask all of youse guys to contact your local media and ask them to scrounge some coverage.  We can hope to get it on the newswires, or they can email or call me so I can give them the story.  My email, I remind you, is jonwennerberg (at) nancyandjon.org.**  My telephone is 906 361 6282.  Spammers -- don't pay any attention to the previous line, hey?

**I'll suggest that you have them read back the email address if they take it from you -- it's very common for folks to miss the ".org" and substitute a ".com".  That won't work.  They'll also add an "h" in Jon.  Nope -- don' do that, Desi.

Let's give 'em a big story and make them regret that they weren't there.  No, maybe I shouldn't say that -- if they were there I would have had to shove through too many camera crews to do any good.

Finally (for now, at least) -- thanks to Mike Cook and all of the Land Speed Enterprises team.  I'll be making up souvenir coffee mugs for them - and for the individual teams.  I'll probably also do up a run opf cups for you folks.  They'll be $10/each plus shipping from Marquette, Michigan.  When you order -- specify red, black, green, or blue.

Ta-ta for now -- gotta go sit on the wing of the plane for three hours.  At least it'll give my hair a great "doo".
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: efenn611 on September 26, 2010, 12:58:59 PM
 
  I would like to thank EVERYONE who worked so very very very hard to put on this meet, The Cooks, all their Crew,  SSS and Nancy, Ray, Jon, And EVERYONE I missed,  Also not to forget ALL the racers and especially their very hardworking crews. I never that a 'puter could be so very addicting. All the posts in the beginning about not being able to work,I now know what they all meant, I haven't been able to stay in the shop long enuf to accomplish much at all.

    THANKS TO ALL       ED :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:


 p.s. I WILL push the donate button when I finish this car. :-D
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Dean Los Angeles on September 26, 2010, 01:45:58 PM
Jon, I hope you get to close your eyes for a few minutes.

With a week that had speeds like that my eyes would be bulging out of their sockets!

Did you get the run logs from Friday and Saturday? I would like to put the complete speeds in the recap.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Freud on September 26, 2010, 02:23:17 PM
It certainly required some "at the track" changes for Ack Attack to accomplish their record.

That's nothing new for Mike.

He was a tuner for a top level flat track motorcycle racer in the prime era of Flat Track Motorcycle racing.

Tuning for the changing conditions of a clay track were instantaneous decisions between the heat races and the Main.

He was a winner then and at least during the Shoot Out, he had more time to make the needed decisions.

It's almost like an unfair advantage.

It also helped to have a rider who has had clay on his teeth.

This week Mike got his PhD. in motorcycle speed after winning the Main Event for 2010.

Mike, which was more rewarding? Jim's win at the first San Jose Mile or the FIM record?

No broken shoulders this time.


FREUD
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Glen on September 26, 2010, 02:40:55 PM
Jon, I hope you get to close your eyes for a few minutes.

With a week that had speeds like that my eyes would be bulging out of their sockets!

Did you get the run logs from Friday and Saturday? I would like to put the complete speeds in the recap.

Dean, just talked to James Rice and the mower ran the 96 mph yesterday,best run. They are all done and packed up. So no updates to add.
 :cheers:
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: WhereTheHellisMurph on September 26, 2010, 03:40:59 PM
Haayy Slim `n Nancy,have a safe flight home and it was great hangin out witchas all.
What a rollercoaster week.I`m thinkin Rocky planned this whole "Leave it `till the Last minute" to get the record,friggin drama queen !!!!!.
Enyhoo,see yaz all in a few dayz for World Finals......... :cheers:


Murph
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: jl222 on September 26, 2010, 03:53:24 PM
  394 MPH :-o WOW

  Rocky was 18 mph faster entering the mile than previous run,  so was it riding our tuning our combination?
  

                     JL222 :cheers:

  On further examination a 15 mph increase from entry to exit points to tuning still a hell of a ride.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: JoshH on September 26, 2010, 04:15:41 PM

  Rocky was 18 mph faster entering the mile than previous run,  so was it riding our tuning our combination?
  

I seriously doubt tuning had anything to do with the increase. Earlier in the thread someone mentioned that they had it geared for 385 in fourth; so I'm guessing on the third pass they chucked the RPM limit out the door, just wrung the engines out. Just a guess, this is something true racers would do
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: maj on September 26, 2010, 04:38:05 PM
Welcome to the greatest show on earth  :cheers:

Thanks Jon , Nancy, Ray and everyone else that kept us glued to our computers

Thanks and Congrats to Mike Cooks and everyone that assisted in making the meet happen .

Huge congratulations to the teams  :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
I felt a huge sense of achievment just reading through the problems encountered and the final successes for most participants ,
can only imagine what it felt like from that end.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: jl222 on September 26, 2010, 04:50:05 PM

  Rocky was 18 mph faster entering the mile than previous run,  so was it riding our tuning our combination?
  

I seriously doubt tuning had anything to do with the increase. Earlier in the thread someone mentioned that they had it geared for 385 in fourth; so I'm guessing on the third pass they chucked the RPM limit out the door, just wrung the engines out. Just a guess, this is something true racers would do


  All tuning is not just engine :-D
 And I seriously doubt they were hitting the rev limit on previous runs or they would have had an even larger increase from entry to exit with same tune up. There not going to limit their speed to 367.

           JL222
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 26, 2010, 04:59:01 PM
I think Rocky made that last pass with just three gears.  Earlier in the week he had trouble with first so started leaving the truck in second.  The tuner put a little more in the bottom end for second gear - so with a good shove from Mike Rocky got moving well. 

And at the end of the meet one engine didn't shift into fifth (maybe it was both) so they swapped engine and rear sprockets (there's one on either side of the drive wheel) to wind up with a ratio where they'd get that 385 in fourth.  Yeah, that's really tall - but it worked.  He might have got to 400 or more if he had had a good amount more of track -- evidenced by the still-increasing speed at the end of his run -- but now we'll never know, 'cause next time the bike runs (if ever) -- conditions won't be the same no matter how hard they try to duplicate 'em.

He sure does know how to ride that bike.  Like - the two times he got it heeled over and a bit sideways leaving the line.  You know as well as I that there's no room for body english in there (in any 'liner, car or bike) - but he caught it and got back on the straight and true within a few hundred yards of where he had the "issues".

With only three shifts - he got it into "high" gear early enough that he (later) told us that he knew he was on a fast run, pinmned the throttle and enjoyed the ride.  Lucky stiff -- wouldn't it be great to be able to ride a race vehicle like that - the fastest motorcycle in the world?

We're at O'Hare now, awaiting the puddle-jumper plane that'll take us back to way up north.  I'm part way done with a press release about the Shootout -- I'll send it to the group of you that has requested it that way, and I'll remind the rest of youse that I'll be happy to do what I can for your local media.

Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Glen on September 26, 2010, 05:11:43 PM
Jon add me to the list for your media report. You and Nancy get a well deserved rest and we will see you at the WF.
 :cheers:
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Ivan S on September 26, 2010, 05:19:37 PM
I think Rocky made that last pass with just three gears.  Earlier in the week he had trouble with first so started leaving the truck in second.  The tuner put a little more in the bottom end for second gear - so with a good shove from Mike Rocky got moving well. 

And at the end of the meet one engine didn't shift into fifth (maybe it was both) so they swapped engine and rear sprockets (there's one on either side of the drive wheel) to wind up with a ratio where they'd get that 385 in fourth.  Yeah, that's really tall - but it worked.  He might have got to 400 or more if he had had a good amount more of track -- evidenced by the still-increasing speed at the end of his run -- but now we'll never know, 'cause next time the bike runs (if ever) -- conditions won't be the same no matter how hard they try to duplicate 'em.

He sure does know how to ride that bike.  Like - the two times he got it heeled over and a bit sideways leaving the line.  You know as well as I that there's no room for body english in there (in any 'liner, car or bike) - but he caught it and got back on the straight and true within a few hundred yards of where he had the "issues".

With only three shifts - he got it into "high" gear early enough that he (later) told us that he knew he was on a fast run, pinmned the throttle and enjoyed the ride.  Lucky stiff -- wouldn't it be great to be able to ride a race vehicle like that - the fastest motorcycle in the world?

We're at O'Hare now, awaiting the puddle-jumper plane that'll take us back to way up north.  I'm part way done with a press release about the Shootout -- I'll send it to the group of you that has requested it that way, and I'll remind the rest of youse that I'll be happy to do what I can for your local media.


SSS - thanks for the superb blow-by-blow reporting all the way through the Top Speed Shootout, it is really appreciated.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: saltfever on September 26, 2010, 07:46:04 PM
Think about it. . .

Y’all have seen that stack of a dozen sprockets on Ack Attack’s work bench on page 70. We know the ratio had to be tall to get those MPH numbers in FOURTH gear!

Now reflect back about two weeks ago when Mike and crew were stuffing the trailer with spare parts and tools. One crew member picks up the stack of sprockets and says to Mike. ”Hey Mike do we need all these gears? If everything is running right the little ones are probably good for 400-410 mph”.  Mikes reply, “sure, why not!”   :-D :-D
 :cheers:
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: 836dstr on September 26, 2010, 09:22:56 PM
Hey,

For all those Guests hanging around this week, that enjoyed the EXCELLENT coverage of this event send Jon (aka SSS) some $$$'s so that he can continue this type of reporting.

It doesn't cost anything to participate in this Forum (if you so wish) but the information on this Website is PRICELESS!

Thanks again Jon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  What a week.

Tom
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Rex Schimmer on September 26, 2010, 10:51:41 PM
If you happen to catch Dave Despain's program, Wind Tunnel, he did a 20 second piece on Ack Attack and also Spirit of Rett. Nothing about the other 3 cars that went 400 but at least something.

Rex
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: roadster589 on September 26, 2010, 11:19:12 PM
I saw it we re-wrote history last week when I say we I mean everyone involved we changed more then one page in that book too. But at least I got caught up on nacsar F1 ( don't care ) but they pay the bills  :-D
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: RayTheRat on September 26, 2010, 11:22:46 PM
If you happen to catch Dave Despain's program, Wind Tunnel, he did a 20 second piece on Ack Attack and also Spirit of Rett. Nothing about the other 3 cars that went 400 but at least something.

Rex

This was 100 percent due to Jim the Texican's hard work as a press agent.  ^5 to ya, granddad.  :)  He busted his butt to get local AND national coverage.  He deserves some big time credit for getting LSR into the media.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: k.h. on September 26, 2010, 11:25:41 PM
New news headline on Rocky's website:  http://www.rocky-robinson.com/

Click on the box in the upper right hand corner to watch their video of the run.

Maybe when the dust and excitement settles, he'll elaborate on Top 1 Oil's session at Cook's.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: RayTheRat on September 26, 2010, 11:45:25 PM
...and then there was today.  Oh, how I wanted to stay in bed.  Solly, Cholly.  Up and at 'em.  Car show to shoot.  And shoot I did.  I almost got shots of all cars.  Still managed to get 450 shots, go thru 3 sets of flash batteries (cuz I had to shoot almost every shot with flash from the shady side cuz they were under trees in a park that created variegated light and shadow.  Sux.

But here are a few.  Sorry about the poor image quality but the 500kb limit kept bitin me on the azz.

must sleep now
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Dean Los Angeles on September 26, 2010, 11:57:57 PM
Quote
New news headline on Rocky's website:  http://www.rocky-robinson.com/

Click on the box in the upper right hand corner to watch their video of the run.

Maybe when the dust and excitement settles, he'll elaborate on Top 1 Oil's session at Cook's.

The video is from 2008
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: k.h. on September 27, 2010, 12:12:45 AM
Ooops!!!  I though it looked familiar . . .  :oops:
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: RayTheRat on September 27, 2010, 04:15:04 AM
Who was asking about a slide show with photos of the event and music?  I've created one that uses an html file as a wrapper for a flash swf file.  It's 20 mb and I'd prefer not to host it on my server, since my puny DSL line has very limited bandwidth.  I used all the web-quality images I created...some of which never got posted.

I know there are some things I could do to improve it like changing the names of the files to something more informative or maybe using a different development tool (I just snagged one as I was having an insomnia attack: Flash Sideshow Maker Freeware.

I added some music.  I know that not everyone will like my choices: Jeff Beck: Roy's Toy (tribute to Roy Brizzio, builder of most of Beck's collection of Deuces), Edgar Winter: Frankenstein (seemed fitting with the Nish Frankenstein liner) and Joe Satriani: Cool #9...just cuz I like it.

Anyone willing to host it in its present, half-completed state?
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Richard 2 on September 27, 2010, 09:48:13 AM
So anyone know if fourth gear in the ACK is a 1.0 ratio or under that.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: AHG on September 27, 2010, 01:41:01 PM
What an absolutely awesome week of FAST racing.
The Ack Attack team worked VERY hard for six days fighting gremlins,
and overcoming all odds took the prize.

Though I myself do not have a horse in the race; it was great seeing existing friends
and making many new ones at this year's Landspeed Shootout.

Mike Cook is a true racer's racer.

For me to be able to once again personally lay my hands on world record breaking engines
is my personal thrill of the whole thing.

This is without a doubt the World's greatest racing, and involves the World's greatest racers, tuners, and crews.

I feel blessed to be able to be a small part of it.

Hope to see ya next year
Drew  :-D
AMA/F.I.M. technical steward



Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: RayTheRat on September 27, 2010, 03:27:34 PM
Way kool, Drew.  It was good to see ya.

I dunno if anyone has posted the Youtube video of Scott Horner's 240 mph run...but here it is.  The amount of wheelspin is unreal.  If he'd been able to hook up, I figger he coulda run over 260.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=km0CPkB7hhk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=km0CPkB7hhk)

One mo' thing.  I've created a test shot at a slide show, using the photos I shot; some were posted here, some were not.  I'll letcha know when it's available on the landracing server.  The one I just did is in .wmv form...and if ya don't like instrumental rock music (Jeff Beck, Edgar Winter, Joe Satriani) be prepared to mute the sound.


Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Jimbo on September 27, 2010, 04:01:59 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXAWdeRLsMo

This is Bobby Cleveland with the new Lawn Mower record 96.529 mph He got it back from the BRIT Don Wales 87.833mph
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: roadster589 on September 27, 2010, 07:52:02 PM
Wow what a ride for Scott if I didn't know that it was a bike I could swear that it was a roadster
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: roadster589 on September 27, 2010, 07:53:55 PM
Drew no mention of your rental car :)
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Glen on September 27, 2010, 08:10:38 PM
If I put a wing and a wind screen on my John Deere mower my neighbors would know I am nuts. LOL
I say LSR in any form that's wheel driven is cool. Good show all last week at the shoot out,
 :cheers:
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: WhereTheHellisMurph on September 27, 2010, 09:32:25 PM
Hey Ray,I posted Scotts vid on my YouTube acc.Got the vid from Scott on Saturday,thanks for posting here,my bad.... :-D
Shoulda posted it here first !!!!!!!!
He`s gonna give me the rest of the vids from the weeks runs soon as he gets situated.
Thanks again for the pic brother..............

ODAAT.......

Be Well
Murph
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: saltwheels262 on September 28, 2010, 12:37:13 PM
the reporting was like being there.
guys it was great reading.

hopefully i did the donation right this time--
new to paypal.

good time for everyone else that might have
forgotten , in all the excitement , to
donate to this site now.

franey
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: saltwheels262 on September 28, 2010, 12:41:30 PM
and what i forgot--

congrats to all who set those high speeds.

sorry to here about your issues, crusher

franey
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Rocky R on September 28, 2010, 04:17:57 PM
One of the fun things about people reading landracing is how fast the information arrives. I was getting text messages and phone calls asking this and that after runs. One of the crew members from a rival team sent me a voice mail after two of what turned out to be our final three runs offering congratulations on a great effort, and more or less condolences on our getting close but coming up short. We had one more run left in us, and after that a second voicemail came sounding somewhat surprised but congratulating us none the less. Thank you Jon and Nancy and Ray for doing such a great job.

Each morning and each evening we passed by LandsEnd Linda and shared stories of the day's events. She's such a great, warm person. She never gave up on us even when we didn't know if we had anything left. Thank you Linda...

A special THANK YOU goes out to Mike Akatiff and the crew and Top 1 Oil for allowing me the opportunity of a lifetime. I'm fortunate to be involved with these people and it is because of them that the Ack Attack is the world's fastest motorcycle. We had our share of problems from tire failures to motor changes to a stubborn tranny that just wouldn't shift. Nobody gave up and in the final hour we somehow pulled it off. I can only imagine how fast that thing could really go had it had all 6 gears and two fresh motors instead of only the one that was changed. The press guys, Brian Leckey, Vince, and the rest worked their butts off out there. Between helicopters flying, cameras being mounted everywhere, and their ever present cheery attitude, it made it all worth it.

The folks from Loctite plus Mike Cook, Mike Junior and the rest put on the best meet on earth for guys like us fortunate enough to get to run on the ultimate race course. Thanks to everyone involved!
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: John Noonan on September 28, 2010, 04:26:21 PM
Rocky,

Congrats on what you and the team were able to accomplish in the last hours of the meet.  :cheers:

Sad part is we may never see it run again if Mike and the team hold true to the original plan and nobody takes the record away.

Either way it's been a hell of a ride!!  :cheers:
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Freud on September 28, 2010, 05:40:02 PM
Rocky, I shared the same experience with Don Vesco,........butt there were only about 6 people there.

At the end of the last pass we were at the 6 or 7 mile marker, waiting with a fire extinguisher because he

knew he would be onfire at the end of the run. He told us where he would stop.  I did the honorable thing.  

I let Marlo Treit have the fire  extinguisher and I stayed back to do the historic  fotos.

The difference was that the only people that knew what had happened was Kawasaki.  They were paying the bill

and as soon as we made it to town that night, Don called them.

EXCITEMENT.........certainly.  It was 318 MPH. The first record above 500KPH.

Don's Fanbase holding their breath...........only the guy that had his roadracer in Don's shop and wondered when Don

would get it done.

FREUD
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: rlague on September 28, 2010, 07:03:39 PM
here is a clip from the UK on the lawnmower record 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/motoringvideo/8029374/Worlds-fastest-lawnmower-sets-new-record.html
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 28, 2010, 08:32:08 PM
For the Shootout we made up some coffee cups for Mike Cook - to give to the participants.  I've attached a scanned image of one of them.  The edges are slightly rounded -- that's why the focus is a bit soft there.

So - we're going to make a run of these mugs available as souvenirs of the Shootout - for $10 each plus shipping.  The back side of the originals was blank = but on the ones you can buy (without having to go 400 mph in a car or 97 on a lawnmower) there'll be a list of the top speeds and records of the four cars and three bikes.  If there's room I'll even put the lawnmower's data on there, too.  They'll be available in red, green, blue, black, orange, and pink.

If you'd like a cup (or more) to help remind you of the fun that was the Top Speed Shootout 2010 -- get in touch.  Payment by Paypal or check mailed to our address will be fine.

We won't be back from Bville until the 13th (or so) of October, so you've got plenty of time to contemplate your order quantity.  How about this idea -- print out this post and hand it to your wife with the quantities and colors marked.  Then act really surprised at Christmas when one gift includes some really memory-laden cups.

(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202010/Croppedshootoutcup.jpg)
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: rlague on September 28, 2010, 09:35:06 PM
Here is a clip of I believe the first run by Ack Attack on Saturday.......

http://www.youtube.com/ignition3#p/a/u/0/aJUoFMeMTqo
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 28, 2010, 09:37:51 PM
Folks, I've just finished writing a four-page precis of the bike side of the top Speed Shootout - and will be sending it to one of the Forum members that'll be attempting to get it to the world's media for publication.  I've already sent (yesterday) the article about the cars.

Once I get the thing sent to Jim I'll try to remember to post it here -- but since I've copyrighted it I might instead suggest that if you'd like it - to give to the media in your town or area -- that you contact me directly and I'll send it along to you marked with my copyright.  Drop a PM or email to me and I'll get it to you before the end of the day I receive the request.  Nancy and I leave for WF tomorrow evening - and we'll have, as usual, the laptop with us so we can stay in touch and respond to requests.

It's late and we're heading to bed.  I'll check tomorrow, of course, for your requests.  It's easy to get the hometown folks to use material like this -- they like to have filler material that they didn't have to write.  I'll give suggestions on how to get them to run it.

G'night.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Freud on September 28, 2010, 09:38:57 PM
Do any of you really think Ack won't take a shot  at 400?

It's such a strain accomplishing the record and they go home tired.

One of these times it may just be impossible to not challenge 400.

Close but no cigar?

Maybe, but not out of the question.

He told me years ago, " If I once get the record we will hang it up" but after they got

it and then it slipped away............."Well I meant it but something happened."

See what odds you can get on it in Vegas.

Thanks Mike, Rocky and  crew.......

Only Rocky really knows.......It was a  h e l l  of a ride.

Quite an accomplishment for a group of retired flat trackers.

But you must remember...Chris Carr is also a flat tracker.

FREUD
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: SPARKY on September 28, 2010, 10:45:28 PM
What a class act---Rocky for hanging in there when STUFF just kept going wrong----Ack and crew for never giving up!!!!!!! :cheers:
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: roadster589 on September 28, 2010, 11:20:27 PM
When mike was asked if they would make another run he said no with no hesitation his words where it's back in our name were going home in one piece. I think it was a smart move considering the troubles the team was fighting all week. Hats off to a heads up team they will be back if challenged. Do any of you think they will be, and buy who.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: John Noonan on September 28, 2010, 11:26:04 PM
Jr,

The team plan was always about safety and Mike asked me about the record and we both said if you get it (the team) you wait until it's broken...no sense in taking chances with the riders safety when trying to set records over 300 mph in a M/C streamliner.

Congrats to all involved.. :cheers:
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: roadster589 on September 28, 2010, 11:31:20 PM
John,

When will we see you at the shoot out 252 on dirt at elmo, we have a 5 mile run up too the mile only you know how fast you could go : ) . Open invite to you anytime
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: rlague on September 29, 2010, 12:25:07 AM
The record will be challenged that is for sure.  Denis and Sam are not done.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 29, 2010, 12:44:43 PM
Let's go back to the coffee mugs Nancy and I are offering to Forum members (and anyone else, for that matter).  We've proceeded to design the back side of the mug with a list of Vehicle, Mile (speed), Exit (speed) and Record (if that vehicle set one).

We've had a few orders come in already - and hope to have those filled before we leave here tomorrow morning.  Orders that come in later on will be produced as soon as we can get 'em done, and shipped by the 15th of October.

$10 each, plus $5 for shipping 1 - 4 mugs.  Buy a set of four and have 'em ready for when you're bench racing with your buddies this winter.  Order by email or PM to me.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: debgeo on September 29, 2010, 02:10:45 PM
This seems to be in wrong place. Shouldn't be in for sale. Also will you be making a donation to this site? :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: THANKS for great coverage. ps just hit paypal button. Hope many are doing same. Yours in sport George
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 29, 2010, 04:16:33 PM
Well, it is an item for sale -- but I put it in this topic because the mugs are specific for this topic. 

We've got orders for 28 of them so far -- including some from folks who forgot to tell me what color they want, and one of the teams that competed at the Shootout.

I'm pleased to be a continuing part of this most memorable event.  Get a mug so you are helped to remember, too.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: debgeo on September 29, 2010, 04:43:10 PM
Jon I was only kidding please do not take serious. I was just hopeing to get people to read and push paypal. Geo :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:   ps It is your website
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: 4-barrel Mike on September 29, 2010, 05:05:18 PM
Are they round or square???  Can't tell from the pic.

Mike
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 29, 2010, 05:37:42 PM
The mugs are square on the outside and round on the inside.  The interstitial area is hollow, so there's a bit of captive air insulation to keep your beverage at your chosen temperature for longer than otherwise it might.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Glen on September 29, 2010, 05:55:54 PM
Jon, are all of the vehicles listed on one mug or  each one separate mugs. I would like one with all on one mug if you have them that way. see you in a few days.
 :cheers:
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Elmo Rodge on September 29, 2010, 06:28:19 PM
Jon, is it too late to bring a blue one to Finals? Wayno  :lol:
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 29, 2010, 08:19:55 PM
Glen, the mugs show the speeds and names of the Spectre, Speed Demon, Nish car, and the Spirit of Rett.  Also on there is the Ack Attack with speeds.  Each of the three vehicles that set new records (Spirit of Rett, Nish, and Ack Attack) also have the new record speed shown.

Now the bad news -- we made as many as we could before leaving the shop today, but all that I've got with me are those that were ordered before mid-day today.  Sorry Wayno and glen -- I'll have to ship yours - and all of those which orders came in tonight, here at the home email 'puter  Keep sending your orders -- we've got the list with us and will be writing down the incoming names and requested colors -- then will pre-order the blank cups so we can produce them as soon as we get back home after WF.

Thanks for the interest, folks.  I hoped these would be as popular as they've turned out to be.

PS  When you're driving through Land's End -- ask Lynda for a look-see at her cup.  Then you'll know just what you're getting.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Glen on September 29, 2010, 08:30:41 PM
Jon and thanks, it's not a problem I will need to add a new shelf just for cups before long. See you Sunday at the salt. BTW, did you get any more orders for name badges? Hope so as they are neat.As always a hug for Nancy.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Elmo Rodge on September 29, 2010, 10:54:33 PM
Like Glen said, it's cool.  :lol: I'll see all of you in a few days. Wayno
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: AHG on September 30, 2010, 05:56:46 PM
Hey Jr.,

entry - 104.418
kilo - 104.467
mile - 104.500
exit - 104.689

Couldn't get over 102 until I shut off the air-conditioner at the 4 1/2.  :?

The best thing was the fact that my race machine AND the lawnmower
both went faster than your Dad's dually. Ha  :-D

See ya next year
Drew
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Loctite_Brian on October 02, 2010, 01:40:57 PM
A huge thank you to Mike Cook and this team for coordinating such a great event.
A huge thank you to SSS for letting us link to this great site (and hopefully sending some new fans in this direction) from our Facebook page.

We had a great time at the event and are hoping to see you all back out on the salt next year!

Brian
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: dw230 on October 02, 2010, 03:09:13 PM
Brian,

Thanks for your involvement. This salt stuff is pretty cool  huh?

I look forward to seeing you at SEMA.

DW
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on October 02, 2010, 04:44:02 PM
Yeah, Brian -- what Dan said.  It was fun, having the challenge laid down by youse guys -- for me to get more and better and faster stuff out to the public during the Shootout.  Thanks for the goodies, too -- although I didn't get a very big inventory.

When will you be out there again?  And finally, shall I sign you up as an advertiser?  This site doesn't run many ads, and prefers to advertise only for companies that have proven their interest in land speed racing.  You've now passed that barrier.

Finally -- the cost of advertising here is low.  Get in touch with me by either PM or email.

Thanks again (and you're welcome for us letting you ride our pit bike).

Jon a/k/a SSS
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Rocky R on October 08, 2010, 07:33:28 PM
For anyone interested, this month's SALT ADDICTION is a bit personal for me because its about the Shootout and the Top 1 Ack Attack's trials and errors and eventual success. I hope you enjoy.

Click here to read the story: http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/287/8144/Motorcycle-Article/Salt-Addiction--Ack-Attack-Worlds-Fastest.aspx

(http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l24/Rockjok6/IMG_0821.jpg)

Leave a comment after the story...

Thanks,

Rocky Robinson
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: dw230 on October 11, 2010, 03:59:07 PM
Rocky,

Again another well written story. This time so very personal. I feel humbled and honored to have been a small part of history at the salt flats.

Dan Warner
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: RayTheRat on October 19, 2010, 10:15:13 AM
Does anyone have the exact speeds for all runs, particularly the top speeds for each vehicle?  I'm putting something together and I'd really like to get the speeds exact.

Thanks,
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on October 19, 2010, 10:56:45 AM
I was going to send the email address of Chronologic Timing -- the Rice Brothers -- but don't have it here at the store's computer.  Maybe I've got it at home.  I'd think that they'd be a good place to look.  I doubt that Dan Warner has the information.  Mike Cook MIGHT have it -- roadster589 (at) yahoo.com (Mike Cook).

Best wishes on a sunny but cool Tuesday.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: RayTheRat on October 19, 2010, 11:23:34 AM
Yeah...the Rice brothers would probably be the best source...I don't have their contact info, either.
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Tom Shannon on October 20, 2010, 06:28:39 AM
Ray, from the 2010 SCTA Rule Book Ad Section:
info@ChronologicTiming.com
714-547-7831
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: SPARKY on October 20, 2010, 10:14:40 AM
WOW Just  think the FIM record and the FIA unlimited NA car broken in the same week.  :cheers:  I sure wish I didn't have my 50th high school  reunion that week  :cry:
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: dw230 on October 20, 2010, 12:42:32 PM
Sparky,

Lynn Goodfellow and I went to our 50th in May. We discovered that all those hot(didn't use that word then) girls are now 68. We didn't notice any difference with us though.

BTW, we went with our respective wives, not together. I was afraid this thread would hit the joke thread if I didn't clarify.

DW
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: RayTheRat on October 20, 2010, 05:35:39 PM
Ray, from the 2010 SCTA Rule Book Ad Section:
info@ChronologicTiming.com
714-547-7831

That did the trick, man.  James answered the phone, had the file with the speeds open on his computer and was able to read 'em off to me within a coupla minutes.  The longest part was for me to find Spectre's car number and all that entailed was opening the directory with its photos.  Ya done GOOD!
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: RayTheRat on October 21, 2010, 08:54:51 PM
The 2010 Shootout poster is now available.

(http://www.chevyasylum.com/posters/Shootout2010Poster07r8.jpg)

They'll be printed on 20x30" glossy photo paper, heavier than standard poster paper.

Photos are arranged by more or less random except for the centerpiece, the reason for which should be obvious.  I've listed the top speeds, not the record speeds...again, for reasons that should be obvious.

This will be a limited edition.  I'll print 50 of them and they'll be signed (well, since rats can't write very well, they'll get a scrawled RtR) and numbered.  The price is $100 each, which, considering that's what I charged for last year's poster, is a screamin deal.  Shipping will be free to the US and Canada (even if Canada IS a pita to mail to/from.)

Email me, PM me, call me...whatever.  I'll get 'em out as soon as I get orders.

Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Peter Jack on October 21, 2010, 08:59:20 PM
Nice job Ray. I hope the sales go well. :-D :-D :-D

Pete
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Bobby c on October 21, 2010, 09:29:24 PM
RTR,
I think the poster looks fantastic!
 :cheers:
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010 / Ack Attack Record Tees
Post by: Rocky R on November 10, 2010, 10:50:00 AM
Hi everyone.
We just received our new Top 1 Ack Attack record tees. Went with black this time after several requests. Tees we have M - 3X.
Sweatshirts L - 3X (limited supply)
click on my web for ordering information: www.rocky-robinson.com (http://www.rocky-robinson.com)
(http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l24/Rockjok6/frontps.jpg)
(http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l24/Rockjok6/closeupfrontps.jpg)
(close up of front image)
(http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l24/Rockjok6/back2ps.jpg)
Thank you!
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: debgeo on November 10, 2010, 10:52:15 AM
Nice :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: sabat on November 10, 2010, 11:15:44 AM
Beautiful poster and shirt  :cheers:
Title: Re: Top Speed Shootout 2010
Post by: Queeziryder on November 11, 2010, 08:26:44 AM
Hi Rocky,

I've dropped an email to you, hope to hear from you soon.

Neil