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Title: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on December 11, 2005, 07:07:17 PM
Our tank is from a 1953 Canberra Bomber, apparently sent over Russia to photograph Kasputin Yar by Winston Churchill at the request of the Americans. (Pre U2 days)

Chased out by Mig17's, old WH700 saw the end of its life doing Blue Jay Missile trials in Woomera Australia.

It will soon return to near this base, in March 2006 in battle again, this time racing against the clock.

Dr Goggles and myself have spent 2 years designing, building, redesigning this project. It has started to become a complete obsession.

Powerplant is a 3.6litre V6 Holden Commodore engine. Hopes for a run in March.

Rev.H+
Title: australian
Post by: Glen on December 11, 2005, 07:49:43 PM
Nice looking hotrod, best of luck in March
Glen
Title: belly comments
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on December 11, 2005, 11:51:11 PM
Thanks Glen, these pics are a little old now, things moving quickly at the moment with seat construction on the weekend and our seven point harness being readied for fixing to the car.

I'll keep posting if the interest is there, er.. here.

Rev.H+
Title: belly tank
Post by: Glen on December 12, 2005, 09:14:03 AM
Keep on posting, we are all interested and have several headed your way in March
Glen
Title: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Sumner on December 12, 2005, 12:56:48 PM
It looks good.  I wish I could bend round tubing like that.  How much castor do you have in the front?  I'm still trying to figure what I want.

I like the shape of the body a lot :D .

Good luck and for sure post more pictures,

Sum
Title: Front end
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on December 12, 2005, 06:26:21 PM
G'day Sum,



Our Castor is 30 degrees. We heard Rod Hadfields car was under that and the steering was "light" over 200 so we thought that since we were having the front axle made we would go for the ideal

We are running Holden (GM) EH stubs with Ford hubs (trailer hubs) so we can use the same wheels that most people are running so we can borrow if we get in trouble or lend if someone else needs them (friendly lot on the salt and we are not zillionaires!).

We have no suspension save two bits of rubber. We are very lucky at Lake Gairdner as the salt is of exceptional quality. Other belly tanks here have suspension in the design but have welded it up so we thought just design the system without and save the complexity. Less in the wind, better looking.

We have 1936 Ford split wishbones giving some extra support out wide.

Steering box is from a beetle.

Thanks for the comment re: bending. We did it with a combination of a manual pipe bender and a car jack stuck under a steel saw horse.

Photos below concentrate on the front end, show the tank and the plane it came from, plus the girlfriend hard at work on "tank day."

Keen to hear from fellow belly tankers. It is a peculiar disease isn't it?

Reverend Hedgash
Title: Extra attachments
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on December 12, 2005, 06:34:46 PM
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Title: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: gazza414 on December 14, 2005, 02:19:27 AM
A pictures says a thousand words....... we'll have some to share in March.

That is SICK!!!!
Title: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Drewfus on December 20, 2005, 02:23:15 AM
Looking good.

I take it you're familiar with Wayne's belly tanker (wazavudu) ?

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v316/DrewfusDesigns/SaltStuff/vudu002.jpg)

If not, email or PM me and I'll put you in touch.

Cheers,

Drewfus
Title: Wazavudu
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on December 20, 2005, 02:46:13 AM
Know him? We're related!!

Well our tanks are at least (there is some rumour that Dr Goggles may be a distant relative though...). Wayne gave us the remains of the tank he used for the canopy for Wazavudu which is the silver half tank you see on the top of ours making our creature its strange cousin.

Thank you for suggesting the link though. We met Wayne at Lake Gairdner two years ago and have been hasstling him with questions ever since.

Wazavudu is a very nicely made vehicle indeed and we look forward to its return in March with a new engine.

(I believe you have a fairly new photo of the tank given its lack of nose art...)

Reverend H+
Title: Re: Wazavudu
Post by: Drewfus on December 20, 2005, 03:05:01 AM
Quote from: Reverend Hedgash
I believe you have a fairly new photo of the tank given its lack of nose art...


Actually it's the opposite, a really early photo prior to the nose art.

I think Wayne has told me about your project, looking good.

Cheers,

Drewfus
Title: Wayne Mumford
Post by: Dr Goggles on December 20, 2005, 05:23:24 AM
Hi Drew (and the rest o' ya)
I've spoken to Wayne a couple of times lately ,he's our own St Christopher.He said to us early on ,"just keep going , don't stop" which plain as it seems has been a bit of a mantra for me..but I keep forgetting to ask about the 'tank that he sold to some guys in Shepparton , rumoured to be there for 2006..what is it I wonder .We're in E class which is a lonely little segment( suits us) at the moment , I hope it doesn't become the new black..What about Al Fountain ? he's up your way .That 440 B52 job is sure gonna add to the atmosphere out there .Apparently there's some Americans going too :D  :D  :wink: ...........
Title: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Sumner on December 20, 2005, 12:23:05 PM
Quote from: Drewfus
Looking good.

I take it you're familiar with Wayne's belly tanker (wazavudu) ?

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v316/DrewfusDesigns/SaltStuff/vudu002.jpg)

If not, email or PM me and I'll put you in touch.

Cheers,

Drewfus


That is one of the nicest looking lakesters I've ever seen.  Tell me more about it.  Looks like he is running vintage 4 class.  What motor?  How fast?  Do you have anymore pictures you can post?

Thanks,

Sum
Title: The Wazavudu
Post by: Dr Goggles on December 20, 2005, 05:00:29 PM
Hi Sum'
Yes it is beautiful , both in design and build .I'll try and get Wayne to make an appearance and fill you all in on the details.It was running V4 but it's now a Toyota 2 Litre (that's hard to say...unblown so far)He was at Bonneville this year , the car stayed home.
Title: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Drewfus on December 20, 2005, 05:22:21 PM
Al's tank is looking a treat, will lift the spirits of everyone out there.

here's some old pics of it Craig sent me just after painting...

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v316/DrewfusDesigns/SaltStuff/saltcar105.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v316/DrewfusDesigns/SaltStuff/saltcar091.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v316/DrewfusDesigns/SaltStuff/saltcar090.jpg)

Wayne's car was running a 'b' engine, but that died before it even left the test track which was a disappointment.

Will be back this year with avengance, this time running a later model 4 cylinder.

Chuck Sharpe will be in attendance as well.

Here's some old pic's of Wayne's tank...

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v316/DrewfusDesigns/SaltStuff/DCP01229.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v316/DrewfusDesigns/SaltStuff/View.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v316/DrewfusDesigns/SaltStuff/Wayne.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v316/DrewfusDesigns/SaltStuff/Img_3751.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v316/DrewfusDesigns/SaltStuff/salt2004_027.jpg)

Cheers, and like Wayne Say's, keep plugging away, don't worry about what anyone else is doing, you'll get there, and it will be all worth while.

Cheers,

Drewfus
Title: Aussie tank:
Post by: Rex Schimmer on December 20, 2005, 05:56:08 PM
DAMN!!!! THAT IS A NICE LOOKING TANK!!!!!!


REX
Title: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: 1212FBGS on December 20, 2005, 06:37:28 PM
I love the tail on the blue one and the canopy on the yellow. cool stull and good luck
kr
Title: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Sumner on December 20, 2005, 07:29:58 PM
Quote from: Drewfus
Wayne's car was running a 'b' engine, but that died before it even left the test track which was a disappointment.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v316/DrewfusDesigns/SaltStuff/DCP01229.jpg)


You say a 'b' motor.  Blown?  Is that a turbo on the side in the picture with a draw thru carb setup?

Thanks for all the pictures they are great  :D .

BTW do any of you guys over there know Carps (Peter Carpenter)?

c ya, Sum
Title: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Drewfus on December 20, 2005, 07:35:19 PM
that engine was turbo'ed.

Carps (quote boy).....sure do, its a small world.

Cheers,

Drewfus :D
Title: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Sumner on December 20, 2005, 07:53:45 PM
Quote from: Drewfus
that engine was turbo'ed.

Carps (quote boy).....sure do, its a small world.

Cheers,

Drewfus :D


(http://purplesagetradingpost.com/sumner/temp-pictures/carps-2001.jpg)    

In the picture he is dreaming of driving this car  :D .  He has driven my truck on the salt at b'ville (2001).  That was ok, but I did worry when we went to town if he would remember which side of the road he was suppose to be on  :roll: .

He has been trying to get back for the past couple years, but health and job have kept him away.  He told me yesterday that there is a chance of him making a trip to the states this spring.

I'm envious of the guys from here going over there this spring.  I'll be over sometime in the future to meet as many of you guys as I can.

You probably also know Brootel.  He and Sue stayed at my house on their Honey Moon a couple years ago.

c ya sometime,  Sum
Title: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Drewfus on December 20, 2005, 08:32:29 PM
Quote from: Sumner
He told me yesterday that there is a chance of him making a trip to the states this spring.


His health has caused him alot of heartach, as it has left him at times allowing him to achieve some of his goals, but he's getting there.

Quote from: Sumner
I'm envious of the guys from here going over there this spring.  I'll be over sometime in the future to meet as many of you guys as I can.


belive it or not we've met, talked to you guys at b'ville this year...I was the one with the forgettable face... :D

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v316/DrewfusDesigns/SaltStuff/sum01.jpg)

Quote from: Sumner
You probably also know Brootel.  He and Sue stayed at my house on their Honey Moon a couple years ago.


Good friends with both Boris and Sue, they recently had a boy, and are moving back to Perth.

A shot from Boris, some Friends, and myself drove down to Melbourne..

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v316/DrewfusDesigns/SaltStuff/DREWFUSboris.jpg)

Cheers,

Drewfus
Title: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Sumner on December 20, 2005, 09:16:20 PM
OK, I didn't put the name and the "forgetable face" together  :oops: .  I remember now talking to you guys.

It is funny, but when I'm there with Hooley vs. before as a spectator I seem to get wrapped up in things, have tunnel vision and miss a lot of things I use to do.  Like spend more time with others.

If you see Boris and Sue tell them hi.  Nice car!!

I'll be seeing you again  :D,

Sum
Title: reposting.
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on January 12, 2006, 03:42:11 AM
Thanks for all the replies we received regarding our latest updates unfortunately lost due to the slacker hacker.

I shall repost some of our images to patch up the gap.

In short we have chopped the tank up and placed the pieces around the car and were very happy with the fit.

We checked our dimensions along the way using CAD an example of which is attached which lead to a very keen observation by Rex Schimmer which I shall answer next post.

Back on the Block.

Reverend H+
Title: Minimum Ride Height and aero issues
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on January 12, 2006, 05:18:34 AM
Rex,

thankyou for your observation regarding our low ride height and potential drag.

I am writing this reply to you and to whoever else is interested or wish to chuck their two cents in.

Apologies for the usage of the high falutin metric system.

For those who missed it Rex pointed to a page in Goro Tamai's "The Leading Edge" discussing the manner by which drag quickly increases below a certain ride height and cited some figures which seem to threaten our design's efficiency.

I must admit that this area has had both the good Doctor Goggles and myself ponderous as to the correct direction to take so I went out and found a copy of the book. Below is a history as to how the bottom is as it is at present.

Our main Aerodynamics text to date has been  "Race Car Aerodynamics" by Joseph Katz, Ph.D which I can recommend for its readability and information.

The difference between the two texts is that Katz's book focuses on methods of maximising downforce due to aero effects whilst minimising drag whereas Tamai's focus is about eliminating downforce altogether.

Tomai's book is written primarily for  solar cars where energy conservation is a priority and traction issues marginal. As the title suggests Katz's focusses on racecars which have different criteria (eg cornering and acceleration issues).

Upon reading Katz and understanding the traction difficulties on salt,  we found ourselves considering all sorts of thoughts of ground effect devices but for a number of reasons were reticent to embrace them.

Firstly we did not wish to destroy the traditional style of the belly tank so we were reticent to go too far with a diffuser etc.

Secondly, we are building against the clock so we wish to keep it simple for its first years out then can tune the shape against a base model.

Finally it is a bit of a black science when you don't possess a wind tunnel and you could do a lot of work that makes the damn thing slower.

We were cheered up by the fact that the So-Cal Lakester belly tank wannabe (So-Called belly tank?) turned up sporting a similar method that we considered. Rex mentioned that it hasn't performed well yet but in its defence Bonneville has seemed to be pretty rough of late and not conducive to ground effect technology. Neither is several inches of water  so the jury is out for me on that one.

My understanding of how it works by looking at it is a splitter at the front to stop air creeping under and provide some downforce at the front, then has a difuser at the back to accelerate the air that is underneath so that a low pressure zone is acheived by the Benouli affect pulling it down. It doesn't seem to have skirts so I would imagine that it sucks more in from the side rather than the car down causing drag inducing vortices... correct me if I am wrong. (anyone GM?)

Anyway, for the above reasons we have decided to not have any ground effects for March and have addressed the issue of traction by making it HEAVY. (No replies please Propster).

Our intention was to get the car as low as possible for stability and to acheive the goal of having the axles on the centre line this put the diff in the widest point of the car and meant body panels could sit over each appendage minimising cutouts, oh yeah it looks cool too.

A number of cars at the salt are really low and perform well so we assumed that the drag due to ground proximity was minimal. For example one car we have enjoyed watching develop is John and Paul Brougham's belly tank which has put in multiple 200mph runs over the past couple of years at Gairdner and is very low (see image). Admittedly it is a little TOO low as it bottoms out a bit at the moment but larger Goodyear Eagles are on their way! Both John and Paul have been very helpful in providing us with much info along the way.

The Brougham tank does have a curved base though where we are proposing a flat base. Our favorite tank was the Hooper tank (the flat head killer) (see image) and part of its charm is the low flat base, as is Xydias' original SoCal and we made the decision early to go down this path.

So what height is the best height?

On page 118 of Tomai is a graph outlining the best ground clearance heights for certain shapes to ensure lack of drag due to ground effect.

Rex indicated the row entitled, ?torpedo shape with an oval width / height of 1.25 and length/height of 3.6. has a H/l of  0.3 min. to 0.05 ; that is a minimum ground clearance of 126mm to 210mm for ours (our car being 4.2m metres long.)

Currently we are around 40mm so that looks way under.

But our w/h is 0.88 / 0.81 = 0.92 and l/h is 4.2 / 0.884 =4.75 and extremely tapered. Tomai's calcs are predominantly to be used for a solar car of width of 2metres and 400 to 700mm thick and of fairly uniform shape for the length.

A better zone of the graph therefore to look at is:

?Torpedo with flat bottom with various cambers and width=height? which is worked out as a ratio of height to breadth at a Hmin ratio of 0.15.

For our car that makes 121.5mm (a whole 3.5mm lower!!!!) but at least it confirms that we are at the lower end of the scale.

The fact the whole shape is tapering I assume will lower the impact as well....?

The mention of "Camber" refers to the amount the centreline axis of the shape is above the chord from tip to toe expressed as a percentage. (Bloody ?camber,? couldn?t the nerds have used a term not already in the automotive lexicon???)

The curve of the centerline of our car caused by the extra tank on top and chopped bottom  helps counter the drag caused by proximity to the ground  by increasing the distance traveled over the top of the car and hence similarly accelerating it helping equalize pressure.

The book says the ideal amount is between 3% and 6%. I worked out ours to be 4.7% (yay). Apparently the best shape to have is a slight ?S? shape in this camber. Ours is that slight S shape so that seems helpful.


Drag versus downforce?

It would seem to me though if we are running a car with more horses than we are putting to ground through traction issues on salt then ground effects are the way to go. The racecar book says that the downforce via diffusers et al is a cheap payoff, and we can overcome the extra drag by the extra efficiency of getting power to ground.


If we find that we are only just pulling top gear (or heaven forbid worse!!!) then reducing drag to the utmost becomes paramount and then up she goes!

This will be one of the many possible learning things in March should all go well.

 
Sorry for the lengthy post Rex (trying to get those points) but I wanted to answer your query with a complete reply and to prompt some discussion on this and maybe even assist someone else...

Also I missed the forum!!

Reverend H+
Title: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Rex Schimmer on January 12, 2006, 01:10:14 PM
Reverend,
Thanks for the great reply! I certainly understand the pressures of trying to get something ready for the race, it seems that they will start the race if you are there or not! So you bust ass to make it happen. As far as ground affects go, I did talk to the young aero engineer that claims responsibility for the new So Cal tank and he claims that the ground affects on that car have no effect on the drag. Well, he was claiming to be an "aerodynamicist" and I am just an old engineer that likes to "diddle" in the aero stuff BUT nothing is free! If you generate any kind of aero lift, up or down, then you have a coefficient of lift which means that you have to supply some kind of HP to make it happen. Yes maybe the So Cal car has a small Cl but it does have one and it does take power to overcome and with HP limited cars that can be the difference between just going fast and going fast enough to have the record. The one think about the "sun cars" discussed in the "Leading Edge" is that they are all very restricted on HPs and so they really do alot to make sure that they have everything low drag and very low lift. It makes a big difference as to the aero detail you need to look at if you have a 2000 HP Hemi in the back.

My favorite tank lakester is Seth Hammonds old car, look at the ground clearance, lots of it! and that car holds more records in more classes with more drivers, than just about any car.

Good luck on making the March meet and let us know how you do!!!!!

Rex
Title: Seth hammond
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on January 12, 2006, 06:17:07 PM
Yes the Seth Hammond Lakester is a beautiful Car and obviously fast too.

I particularly like the front end, its nostril and flared axle housing. The rear driving position is particularly groovy too. It has a particular Syd Mead look to it.

We actually modified an image of his car as a mock up to explore which direction we wanted to take.

I hope I am not infringing copywrite by showing it here but it was an internal design exercise and consider it homage!

Rev. H+
Title: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Sumner on January 13, 2006, 10:10:08 AM
I look at the height issue from two different angles.  

If you aren't running suspension or very little the put it on the ground and maybe put some skirts on it, like Flatfire, and keep the air from under the car.

If you have a couple inches of suspension travel and putting it on the ground isn't an option then raise it like Tamai talks about in THE LEADING EDGE.  I'm in the second mode, so I have about 6 inches of clearance at the lowest point of what will be my rounded bottom body.  I have 7 to the bottom frame/cage members now.  I had read his book a year or so and made note of the part that says as the body gets close to the ground the drag goes up.

One note though on that thought is on page 128 right before section 3.4 he talks about a Yakel body, which looks somewhat like a lakester to me and he mentioned that type body on a b'ville type car (I couldn't find a picture) that went 248 mph on about 160 hp (I'd like to know which car this was).  Anyway the body had a drag of about 0.17 at a ground clearance of 10.2 cm (4 in).  The drag decreased about 6% when the body was lowered to a ground clearance of 7.6 cm (3 in.).  This seems to contradict what he says elsewhere in the book.

I'm trying to get my body into a shape somewhat similar to the Northern Essex Comm. Coll. car shown on page 15 and the back cover. Of course all cars are going to be compromises somewhere and no matter how hard you try to make an aero body right you are going to have to give up something somewhere just to make the car work.

How about some of you guys that are already running lakesters, have you tried your car at different ride heights?

c ya, Sum
Title: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: John Burk on January 13, 2006, 03:00:00 PM
Reverend
Thank you for your interesting posts . The trouble with down force , there's little of it when it's needed and when it's strongest and adding drag it's not needed .
Title: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: dwarner on January 14, 2006, 01:10:33 PM
The Lynn Yakel designed car mentioned is the Larson and Cummins streamliner.

DW
Title: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Sumner on January 14, 2006, 03:32:16 PM
Quote from: dwarner
The Lynn Yakel designed car mentioned is the Larson and Cummins streamliner.

DW


Thanks Dan, I think I have pictures somewhere of it.

Sum
Title: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Sumner on January 17, 2006, 04:05:53 PM
Quote from: Sumner
One note though on that thought is on page 128 right before section 3.4 he talks about a Yakel body, which looks somewhat like a lakester to me and he mentioned that type body on a b'ville type car (I couldn't find a picture) that went 248 mph on about 160 hp (I'd like to know which car this was).  Anyway the body had a drag of about 0.17 at a ground clearance of 10.2 cm (4 in).  The drag decreased about 6% when the body was lowered to a ground clearance of 7.6 cm (3 in.). This seems to contradict what he says elsewhere in the book.


Well maybe I can answer my own question.

(http://rodandcustommagazine.com/thehistoryof/p154740_image_small.jpg)    

Looking at the Lynn Yakel designed Larsen/Cummings car I can see why lowering it helped with the drag.  It has a pretty flat  bottomed/wide body that would respond to keeping the air out from under it.  Now most of the solar cars have a similar shape, but the wheels/tires they run allow the body to be raised quite a ways off the ground, which is pretty impractical with a car like the Larsen/Cummings streamliner.

I think with a narrow/rounded body (tank) car it is best to keep it off of the ground by at least 5-6 inches.

c ya, Sum
Title: Fred Larsen
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 17, 2006, 05:34:03 PM
......nice car , canny competitor...I like this quote from F.L about rear engined cars

"?You?re sitting so far forward, you don?t know what?s happening back there. That?s why I built a slingshot?my streamliner. If the rear wheels move an inch, your butt moves an inch and a quarter.?

I've been struggling through "The Leading Edge" .........it's , um ,dry...

So you'll be looking down on us Sum' ?, I just hope we're passing you at that moment ..............  :P
Title: Re: Fred Larsen
Post by: Sumner on January 17, 2006, 07:39:17 PM
(http://rodandcustommagazine.com/thehistoryof/p154730_image_large.jpg)    
Quote from: Dr Goggles
Fred Larsen said ?You?re sitting so far forward, you don?t know what?s happening back there. That?s why I built a slingshot?my streamliner. If the rear wheels move an inch, your butt moves an inch and a quarter.?

They say a front cockpit car is harder to drive or at least you find out you are in a bad situation late in the game  :( .  For those of you that would like to read the Rod & Custom article about Fred Larsen you can find it ( HERE (http://rodandcustommagazine.com/thehistoryof/80458/)).  Harv thanks for reminding me of it  :) .  

Quote from: Dr Goggles
I've been struggling through "The Leading Edge" .........it's , um ,dry...

I didn't do too bad in math in school, but I skip most of it in that book.  Makes it much faster to get through to the conclusions  :wink: .

Quote from: Dr Goggles
So you'll be looking down on us Sum' ?, I just hope we're passing you at that moment ..............  :P

How high is it to the top of your car?  I'm about 35 inches to the top of mine with the bottom 6 inches off the ground.  I don't think they allow passing on the salt  :lol: , besides I'll be about 12,000 miles ahead of you or behind you :roll: :?:   :roll:  :?: .

c ya, Sum
Title: passing lane
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 18, 2006, 12:06:19 AM
you wrote " besides I'll be about 12,000 miles ahead of you or behind you"

D..oops I mean, Touche! :lol:  :lol:
Title: Belly Tank dimensions
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on January 18, 2006, 06:16:30 PM
Thanks for the posts on ground clearance everybody.

The decision for this year will be to cut back to our 50mm (2 inches)  height from the ground as planned to just get the thing there and moving.

It is a relatively easy operation to lower the axles in the future to raise ride height if required and the base of the car will remain the same relative to everything inside. (Its dictated by our bum in the seat too, both of us are 6 foot one and so getting us to fit in the front was a juggle of many figures. )

We feel that the roll bar treatment of many contempory belly tanks has been their weakest feature so have really concentrated on getting the looks of this right, and making it as low as possible. Its lines will be expressed in the canopy and in the future livery.

The windscreen is yet to be made, any information given here would be greatly appreciated. We are thinking that the process will be to make a mold and have something vac formed over it.

Other thoughts were a sailplane canopy if one flukes our dimensions.

For this year we will get a motorcycle windscreen as a temporary measure with some polycarbonite bent over to fill the gap and secured with straps.

You will be looking over us Sum, by an inch and a half. Our dimensions are as follows:

At 50mm ground clearance our heighest point is 880mm (34.6inches) from the ground which is roughly the top of our rollcage.

The original tank is 810mm (31 inches) at its widest point one third down the length and is 4200mm (165 inches).

We are running 28inch Goodyear Landspeeds on the back which run at about 27inches the centre of which sets our centre line forthe tank at 13.5 inches.

We have 26inch Mickey Thompsons at the front and with our axle Holden stubs arrangement have the front axle just below centre.

Our track width is the original ford rear end width, although when we had the wheels made (ford with kombi rims) we had the rims offset to better hide the drum brakes at the rear and to minimise track width.

We had our front axle made to match the track of the rear axle.

We had a lot of discussion over whether to make the rear track narrower by chopping the axles in order to help directional control but decided keeping the wheels in line were better for streamlining and something we could do later if needs be.

Also the advantage of keeping the wheels wider should reduce the effect of the turbulent air from the wheels on the body's airflow. Also it should help stability in a spin.

The penalty of increased frontal area is marginal as it is a few inches of rounded axle only.

Reverend Richard Hedgash
Title: Re: Belly Tank dimensions
Post by: Sumner on January 18, 2006, 07:16:31 PM
(http://www.wisil.recumbents.com/wisil/bubbles/hpvoven.gif)    

Quote from: Reverend Hedgash
The windscreen is yet to be made, any information given here would be greatly appreciated. We are thinking that the process will be to make a mold and have something vac formed over it.


If you look at my "links" on my site ( HERE (http://purplesagetradingpost.com/sumner/bvillecar/bvillelinks.htm)) you will find one link on vacuum forming and another on blowing a canopy.

I'll also PM you a couple paragraphs related to the subject I have.  I'll have this same problem ahead of me, but I'm not very close to having to solve it at the moment.

I'll be anxious to see how you guys do with the car.  Good luck,

Sum
Title: Tow Car trouble
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on January 18, 2006, 10:04:52 PM
Thanks Sum for the windscreen bumpf. Good stuff in there. I wonder how optically pure doing it this way is though?

We have had a diversive set back:

Building a car is one thing, then there is the trailer to put it on (in) but we didn't expect we had to rebuild the bloody tow truck as well!!!

Its been a bad Christmas break for the truck.

Firing badly, hole in the extractor, and using way too much gas (Runs on natural gas not gasolene). The engine was tested and found to be low on compression and the decision made to finally replace the donk. Have gone for a chevy 350V8, new carb and electronic dist. with Vortec head, roller rockers etc.  Will ebay the old one.

Dr Goggles pulled out the old engine today and found the clutch also needs replacing. sheesh.

Now this truck was my home for three and a half years so I have a lot of fond memories of it (and some crap ones too) so I having decided to bring it up to speed, I have decided to do it properly.

Its a 350 Custom 30 Chev tray with a step through motorhome on the back. Sleeps four and has shower kitchen and toilet.

Have been meaning to do a number on the interior but nothing really done as yet. Focusing too much on the belly tank.

Shall paint the Reverend Hedgash Dr Goggles racing team logo and maybe some flames on the white body too. Crossed racing flags at the front. Has some very nice striping done at present. A little more Urban Cowboy than von Dutch...

Still, should trick up nicely to be a salt lake push truck / team headquarters and home away from home.

Shall post images of engine install as we go.

Its a never ending list to get there isn't there????

Reverend H+.
Financially exhausted!
Title: out they go!!!
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 19, 2006, 03:03:32 AM
$@#^@@!$%@ :evil:  :evil: ....second motor I've hoisted this week in the team daily drivers.....correct on all counts though 'Gash.........the transplant'll be done tomorrow God( he drives a Chev apparently) willing..it should be good for roll-backs with the new mill..ta for the blow mould info Sum' you're a right fount. Got sunburnt today and it's 35 tomorrow :(
Title: Natural gas
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on January 19, 2006, 12:06:48 PM
Rev. Hedgash -- you say you had a natural gas vehicle -- but do you still have one, now that you've gone through all these changes?  I ask because my '89 GMC Jimmy has a natural gas setup that I haven't used since they took away the only compressors for 200 miles.  that was at least fve years ago.  If you wanted something from the old beast -- I'd be glad to think about sending it your way.  I've got the two gas bottles, for instance -- unh, I think they're 10L each (range of the vehicle was about 80-90 miles on CNG).  They're located inside the cab of the vehicle -- won't have any corrosion or nasty crud on 'em.  

The gas injection system and all electronics are still intact, too, although I doubt they'd be worth a whole hell of a lot -- the conversion was made in the early 90's, and so is probably a few generations out of date.

Sure did like CNG as a fuel, though -- at 100,000 miles the factory spark plugs were still fine -- still white, still had sharp edges on the electrodes.  I replaced 'em mostly 'cause I wanted to have 'em as souvenirs to show folks.  Too bad I didn't buy that small compressor and install it at my shop -- fuel with no road taxes is WAY cheaper than what you buy at the gas station.

If you want the tanks or are interested in anything that might be on the truck, let me know.  I use the truck (on gasoline) as my snowplow truck, so you can't have the motor, though. . .
Title: Thanks
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on January 22, 2006, 05:02:12 AM
Thanks for your offer Seldom, very generous indeed.

Unfortunately I probably didn't make clear that our truck runs on LPG (liquid Petroleum Gas) which you may know is a bit different to the stuff that you are talking about.

I am continuing to use the set up, in fact it is duel fuel in that I can run it on both LPG and petrol. LPG is much cheaper than petrol in Australia.

I have to do this because although LPG is available pretty well Australia wide, the last station from Lake Gairdner is 250 km away, so a round trip is 500km plus the daily running and the truck just doesn't have this range.

(For those coming petrol is available at the station property at Lake Gairdner.)

I have two 60 litre tanks for the gas and one 40 litre tank for the petrol. That gives me room to move and ability to refill from jerry cans etc.

The engine is now in the Chev,  Dr Goggles had to work in 40plus degrees centigrade (over a hundred degrees F) for the past few days under the truck. As soon as you put a tool in the sun it became too hot to handle.

42.5 degrees today.

The old extractors are stuffed so new ones being considered.

Thanks again Slim.

Reverend H+
Title: Oh Mama! can this really be the.........
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 23, 2006, 05:57:27 AM
...just like one of those bad dreams where the beastie is after you and your legs ..just ...don't...want....to....work...fast....enough...Speedweek looms at Gairdner and nothing has happened on the car for over a week..re-motoring the Chev' outdoors in searing heat sapped my energy something severe...Sunday was 43 degrees C ( that's like 200 F, well almost) and all I could do was look at the 'tank and mutter to myself , I sat in it and it all seemed wrong :oops:  :(  :cry: .... As the arch conundrist Jack D said...we Aussies need more events during the year to develop our rides....last years meet seems like weeks ago but having to wait until 2007 if we don't get the car there this year is doing me head in!!!

If praying is your thing keep us in mind :roll:
Title: Save your prayers
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 24, 2006, 06:42:24 AM
We've buckled . The Jarman-Stewart bellytank won't be going to Gairdner 'til 2007 . I doubt there are many of you who watch this board who don't understand the pressure , expense and effort of designing and building something by yourself out of your own pocket .

We all need a holiday and there's no better place for one than Lake Gairdner during Speedweek. 8)  8)  

In the dumps but in a way relieved too , call us weak , we don't care we'll be there next year and by then we'll be well sorted .So hang it on us now ,we need a good laugh :lol: .

Dr Goggles ( no , the Doctor is OUT!)
Title: REMEMBER
Post by: JackD on January 24, 2006, 07:10:58 AM
A lifetime work is just that and deserves all the time you have
 over what ever length it takes for your satisfaction.
  Don't be consumed by it.
You are not playing to anybodys schedule but your own.
The idea is to get it ready for an event but never call it finished or you will be. :wink:
Title: Belly Tank no show.
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on January 24, 2006, 07:29:05 AM
It is true.

We have decided after more than two years of weekends of hard work and a desperate escalation in work rate over the past few months to acheive a runner for 2006 that it will be not in the interests of the sport or us to rush the completion of this project.

We have always designed with the triangle of Safety - Speed - Beauty foremost in our mind.

Although we didn't expect to be hitting big speeds this year, just hoping for a run, we feel that with so much to do we would significantly reduce the craft of the project, potentially the safety and definately the beauty if we worked desperately to get it ready over the next month.

It wouldn't be the Land-Speed Racing way, hey?

Thanks everyone for the input thus far. We will definately be pestering you for another year now as rookies.

It is a great obsession. We are both devastated but know it is right.

We can lighten up a bit now and spend a bit of time getting ready for the trip to the salt sans car (a two day road trip), finishing the truck, developing our menu, building some nifty things for the salt.

For example we saw the fantastic blender with the motorcycle handle throttle on Mark's video of Bonneville. Hilarious.

Can also find the time to watch the Ack attack run which will be a real treat.

Thanks for your comments Jack. Take it at our own speed, yes.

I can enjoy it more and not be so stressed about it now the decision has been made. That is what it is all about.

Reverend H+
Title: MONSTERS
Post by: JackD on January 24, 2006, 09:37:12 AM
You guys are going to be vicious spectators that I wouldn't wish on anybody.
 Armed with a camera, a curious eye, and the time to use it.
 As part of your probation we expect a full report.
 Take a lot of pictures, we can turn them over when they get here.
How else are we going to know you were not just having fun while we have to stay home.
You must realize the blender deal is for medical use only, but you do have a Doctor and a Chaplain along. :wink:
Title: Re: Belly Tank no show.
Post by: Sumner on January 24, 2006, 12:45:07 PM
Quote from: Reverend Hedgash
We have decided after more than two years of weekends of hard work and a desperate escalation in work rate over the past few months to achieve a runner for 2006 that it will be not in the interests of the sport or us to rush the completion of this project.............


Sorry to hear that, but I fully understand.  I think you guys are making the right decision. I've finally started to realize in my old age that the process should be as much fun as the result.  It took me about a year longer to build my house than anticipated, but it got done and didn't totally kill me doing it.  I'm trying to stay focused on my lakester and make steady progress, but it will get done when it gets done.  I'm having a lot of fun building it and don't want to turn that process into a chore.  It would be great to run at one of the meets this year, but that most likely won't happen :cry: , but I'll live through it :D .

Go to the salt and have fun and keep plugging away on the car it is only about 13 months before it will have to be done to run in 2007 and that can go by pretty quickly :D .

c ya one of these days,

Sum
Title: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: PJQ on January 31, 2006, 04:46:10 PM
It'll probably mean a tinnie to the back of the head at the meet this year, but I though you might enjoy some winner shots of these two nutters, taken at Speed Week 04. Put a face to the frenetic build diary: that's The Rev in grandiose wide angle at Lake Gairdner, and Dr. Goggles in his Birthday Suit.

I'm a buddy, also building a car (2 years and counting, run in 07 - for sure!)  and like The Doc and The Rev, recently started a transport truck re-build.

****** EDIT ****
Annus Mirabilis 2010… ah, scandalous times. The pics seemed to fall off the server during a nasty storm a few years ago.
Lost forever… maybe... probably for the best
******

PJQ
Velocity Science Laboratories
Title: death to good taste and cleanliness
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 31, 2006, 05:25:43 PM
Aw hell that ruined my breakfast and probably a few others' too ...... :oops:
Title: Re: death to good taste and cleanliness
Post by: Sumner on January 31, 2006, 06:31:18 PM
Quote from: Dr Goggles
Aw hell that ruined my breakfast and probably a few others' too ...... :oops:


Hey Doc when you come over here I think you ought to forget about B'ville and go straight to the Burning Man Festival at Black Rock :twisted: .

Just kidding I'm looking forward to meeting you and Rev. either here or over there.  Just hope you found you clothes by then 8) .  It must be hell welding in that get-up.

c ya,  Sum
Title: VERY INSPIRATIONAL
Post by: JackD on January 31, 2006, 06:53:01 PM
The pictures were very inspirational and touched many hearts.
 Just this afternoon we have raised over $12k American and after I deduct my
usual fees we have enough left to get both of you in new clothing.
 Not any of that second hand stuff.
 We are going to put it with one of your regularly scheduled air drops every 3 months.
 We just missed the big Christmas deal but the first 1/4 will really go fast.
We hope that will help, actually we are really counting on it.
Jack :wink:

OBTW: BBB was a little concerned that it looks like you don't eat too good.
 Maybe if you don't spit out all the flies.
Title: 'spirations
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 31, 2006, 06:58:45 PM
............I guess this means an end to my political aspirations , drop those clothes at my house ( Sum' has the coordinates) 'cause I don't think I can step out right now. PJQ is toast.
Title: Well if experience is any teacher
Post by: JackD on January 31, 2006, 07:08:46 PM
our politicians start out in a suit and end up naked.
The big difference is they are all much bigger in the end and the belly button is quite a distance from the backbone.
It looks like you are spending all your lunch money on the car again.
Title: Peter be Quick
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on January 31, 2006, 07:10:34 PM
PJQ I have photos of you and Mark and a copy of Photoshop...

Now if you want me to go and get creative on yo ass just go ahead and leave those images on our post...

The Most Royally Reverent Richard Hedgash
Title: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: PJQ on January 31, 2006, 08:03:50 PM
Uh-oh, that Pith Helmut, new for this year, will be doing more than simply shading the dome.

PJQ
Velocity Science Laboratories
Title: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: maj on February 01, 2006, 07:12:45 AM
Dr G
You have spent too much time in Animals company :lol:
Title: ACTUALLY
Post by: JackD on February 01, 2006, 08:15:35 AM
Quote from: maj
Dr G
You have spent too much time in Animals company :lol:

Actually maybe not enough or the choice is wrong.
Be particularly careful when dating out of your species, sometimes they want a long term commitment. :wink:
Title: Hybrid Vigour
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 02, 2006, 04:55:52 AM
........OK.OK ,OK... I've had a haircut , and this year I'm gonna wear a full burka , are you all happy?....and yeah I've got form with sheep , but I never REALLY loved one......work and romance never are a good mix......

 If things go as planned we'll be taking an old Vespa with a heaven and hell scene on the back (in 3D all over the guards ) and Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden on the front , it has a crucifix backrest and we're making a sidecar for it. Make no mistake it will be a dangerous concern , standard brakes and the real possibility of being run over by anything following that is capable of over 10mph......I plan to mount a pair of Super-soakers( one for water and one for the Jammo's) and it will of course have room for an Esky...

Ok Jack , let it roll...............................
Title: Wow !
Post by: JackD on February 02, 2006, 09:30:48 AM
That Marriage Mobile sounds like you have given it a lot of thought.
 I see your business really booming.
 The only thing I might suggest is a small trailer suitable for vending.
 You don't want to let the crowd go away wanting. :wink:
Title: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: PJQ on February 02, 2006, 05:28:43 PM
Ah, the smell of a two-stroke hair dryer in the morning, you're tugging at my heart strings now. Me and Animal will be elbowing each other at the front of the Celebrant queue.

You tease, getting even for the photo post no doubt.

It's Mr. Q to you darl's
Title: vaughn seat photos
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on February 03, 2006, 06:11:44 AM
Our seat for the tank is a front wheel guard from an HZ Holden. Just reposting photos. Called a Vaughn seat after the inventor.
Title: I gotta tell ya.
Post by: JackD on February 03, 2006, 10:14:40 AM
If you found your driver in that position , I am not sure how good that is.
But seriously, spend a lot of time looking at every direction and with how much force
that you can expect when you need the protection.
Once an upset happens you rely on the protection that you brought with you.
 Equal support is a primary objective, but having the strength to stay in place is equally important.
Just as an example, seat belt grade straps behind the seat will offer a huge strength advantage
 to keep the support from going out of shape.
A 6 point harness grabs up your thighs that often represent 80% if your muscle mass.
 A chest strap can hold your shape in the seat.
The shoulder harness must be tensioned against something like a strap down between your feet
 to prevent your travel with your head and neck up into the cage.
Title: Restraint
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on February 03, 2006, 06:40:13 PM
Thanks Jack, valid points all.


The photo of Dr G's posture in the car is an early one and we have proceeded to cut down the rear of the seat and distort the shape as needs be.

We have a seven point harness passing through the seat to the structural frame of the car avoiding contact with the seat at all points. When on it feels like your whole torso cannot move allowing your arms and legs to do what they will.

The space behind  the seat is where we are putting fire suppression components, kindly donated by "Cold Fire" in Austraila.

Four speed gimbal gear stick is from a Holden Gemina and cost a total of $25, and should link up well to the box at the back. Finding the ideal place in the cabin is proving tricky as we don't want it to be an injury point...

Reverend H+
Title: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Drewfus on February 19, 2006, 09:52:46 PM
Sorry to hear that the debut will have to wait till next year.....

Fear not, keep at it none the less, as 'all will be good' the day you hit that starting line....

Cheers,

Drewfus
Title: Nexty ear
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 20, 2006, 12:53:51 AM
Hi Drewfus
I got so busy handling enquiries about the nudity scandal that we couldn't get the 'tank done in time. Are you going to be there?? It's time Mr Mumford put in some serious runs , I saw him at the meeting a few weeks back but didn't get a chance to talk to him , when I did last speak he seemed to think they'd be cookin' . I dunno if Lynchie has the new motor sorted ,rumour from Robbo was it was all solid , head and block, any ideas? What about Al Fountain are they gonna be there ?

I've been spending money on my EH Panel Van to make sure it gets there, it's a change from driving a bomb and putting all the hard earned into the tank .I'd like to take my old Monaro but it's thirstier than me , ifyaknowwhatimean :wink:
Title: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Drewfus on February 20, 2006, 01:04:21 AM
Unfortunately not this year, my wife and I are expecting our first child, therefore alot to be done prior.
To the best of my knowledge, everyone else mentioned will be, with bells on.

Drewfus
Title: Lids
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 23, 2006, 03:08:31 PM
With bells , or snells?
Title: Creativity abounds
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on March 01, 2006, 07:06:52 PM
Hey good luck drewfus on your own "Belly tank" creation!

But you should have known not to produce offspring around Speed Week time else you will always be torn between junior's birthday and the salt.

All Australian racers take note. No sex in July. Put it in your diaries.

And no weddings either!! (unless its at the salt...)

Rev. H+
Title: Re: Creativity abounds
Post by: Drewfus on March 01, 2006, 10:00:36 PM
Thanks, you guys get those CD's yet?

Quote from: Reverend Hedgash
But you should have known not to produce offspring around Speed Week time else you will always be torn between junior's birthday and the salt.


Yes and no, I have a plan......junior will want to go to 'disneyland' etc like every child.....and since we're flying so far, we might as well stop over (in a big roundabout kinda way..) at Bonneville, child gets hooked on cars, and we're on a winner.... :wink:  :D

Cheers,

Drewfus
Title: Salt Disney
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on March 02, 2006, 12:18:29 AM
Stuff Disneyland. Walt was a misogynist beaten by his father really intent on building a scale railroad in post apocolyptic America. Whilst  William S. Burroughs was writing a Junkies Christmas Walt was providing a more marketable disillionment. Ever wonder why there are no decent mother figures in a Disney cartoon?

Better go to Space Mountain, then Burning Man, then Bonneville. Cut the MacDonalds too, keep control.

Epcot in the east is a tad more interesting but really living off the old pipe dream that technology is the answer after a reasonable U.S. showing in the Korean War.

You are in charge of this future racer's artistic endeavours, Drewf, invest wisely.

Rev. H+
Title: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: 1212FBGS on March 07, 2006, 10:09:27 PM
yeh... what he said.....!....? :?
Rev ol buddy... i hadda stand on my head ta figger that 1 out.... but that maked me dizzzzy 2. my head hurts, dems wuz some big words rev.
kent
Title: Re: Creativity abounds
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 12, 2006, 03:35:33 PM
Quote from: Drewfus
Thanks, you guys get those CD's yet?

Cheers,

Drewfus
............................yup , haven't got through looking at them though Drewfus....I had to go to this crazy event over in South Australia at this salt lake place where they race cars and bikes , far-out !!...there was even Americans there , who ever would have thought? 8)

.....there'll be more on that later , and this year there will be no photo's such as that posted of me prev. on this thread :D

What I did see of your photo's looked great...I'll return the gesture in kind with my Gairdner '06 stuff.

BTW any sign of the bub yet?
Title: Re: Creativity abounds
Post by: Drewfus on March 12, 2006, 05:12:16 PM
Quote from: Dr Goggles

What I did see of your photo's looked great...I'll return the gesture in kind with my Gairdner '06 stuff.


Thanks, I'm sure the details will be of assistance in your build.....one way or another...

Quote from: Dr Goggles
BTW any sign of the bub yet?


Was 'scaned' the other week, moves around alot, all fingers and toes acounted for, so looking good.

Cheers,

Drewfus :D
Title: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Richard Thomason on March 12, 2006, 05:36:55 PM
Birthdays of children are not a problem. I have photos of my oldest daughter celebrating her first birthday on the salt in Sept of "84". She has not been there every year, but for many she has. We have to train our families early.
rht
Title: aero
Post by: EVLEE on April 23, 2006, 03:26:22 PM
I saw that you were looking at downforce for your bellytank car?
 I think if you run flat Aluminum along the bottom surface of your car ,leaving about 2" or 40cm. sicking out the side (parallel to the ground) this will keep air that is being forced around the sides of the car from filtering down under the car.This is very cheap (as in drag)downforce.If you want more downforce just add a diffuser at the rear.I plan on using this on my EV1 Streamliner.I also am planning on 2007 but at Bonneville.
                                Lee
Title: 'gress of one kind or another....
Post by: Dr Goggles on May 23, 2006, 11:01:18 PM
Hi all
we're inching ahead to the point we're our huge dreams can be converted into small achievements.....the drive train is in and kinda sorta seems right , the gear shift isn't totally finalized but it's close and the plating in of the body is going well .This week our "engine man " collected up a box full of mandrel bends so next weekend the exhaust construction will commence .the initial idea is to just run the motor pretty stock  N/A so we'll be sending one pipe out the tail...comments welcome.

The fitment of the body is moving along too , despite well meaning advice from you all we've chopped the bottom of the tank, it's not as tragic as it sounds because the Canberra(U2??) tank we have is a "slipper" which fits to the end of the wing and thus the attachment point is assymetrical....if in time we do want to lift the tank we can just make a "prosthetic bottom"( the mind boggles!)..the only down side being that our CG in that instance would be a little higher than it could have been....

it's cold here , colder than I like anyway........

On another front I've enrolled in a tech school course to formalize my welding skills and maybe chase out some bad habits that started when I learnt , at 12.
Title: It lives! Well it coughs...
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on May 29, 2006, 04:15:23 AM
Yes! We received our starter motor (courtesy ebay) and attached it.

Dr. Go ripped the battery out of the panel van and in a second she was wired.

A touch of the contacts and the motor turned.

IT"S ALIVE!!!

Well almost. It would help if we had a fuel tank etc. but it sounded like a real car, not some thing built in a garden shed by two salt encrusted dreamers.

Now this is not so hard you may say, its a common engine from thousands of Aussie cars... but this has been after all the work shortening the gearbox (see earlier email) and recently the trials of having to add all the rarer and more expensive manual items for what sells mostly as an automatic engine. (Flywheel, designing and getting built our own adaptor due to differing bolt pattern {grrr}, needing to get a different starter motor, making sure we get the correct spacer for said starter motor, blah blah blah blah.

We feel this is a milestone as I am sure all home builders have been through before will understand. We were so happy we had to have a trophy cup of tea.

Further developments since our last update is the construction of our scattershield is done in 8mm steel and the chopping of the bottom of the tank.

(thanks evLee for your email, apologies for not replying earlier but I was waiting until we had furthered our action regarding aero issues as posted earlier.)

The base of the car is a flat bottom only until the one third point where it rises on the same angle as the engine (which is on an angle to keep it in the tank shell). The car narrows quite quickly here so any venturi effects are limited anyway unless we build a base plate extending beyond the cars parameters (which GM Ecolakester was playing with).

We thought about this a couple of years back which you can see on the render attached, but have not explored further as we are aiming to build a car that has minimal aero concepts as a base car so we can there have a datum to compare the addition of aero ideas to.

Shall take and post more photos shortly.

Reverend H+
Title: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Sumner on May 29, 2006, 12:09:59 PM
Hey congratulations guys :D .  I'll bet you are happy indeed.  Nice rendering Rev.. Do you have any other angles of the car?

What is your final decision on the chute?

Will there be a push bar or will you tow the car to the line?

Anyway it is going to be a beautiful car :!:  :!:  :!: .

c ya, Sum
Title: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Drewfus on May 29, 2006, 06:15:13 PM
Well done guys, great to read about your success. Just out of curiosity, how much longer was the standard g'box?

On a different note, have you considered using the GM blower intake (ideally with the Eaton M90 :wink:  :D ) as the air inlet enters from the rear of the manifold.....

Cheers,

Drewfus :D
Title: Manifold Charms........
Post by: Dr Goggles on May 30, 2006, 12:18:13 AM
Oi!
Ta Sum , we won't be pushing it for a while , one day it might go V8 sans gearbox......it'll need some pushing then.Good to hear from you Drewfus , sorry I didn't get back to you about the B'ville shots ,they are of course great ....it took me about three months just to look at 'em all..The manifold is reversed as you see it there as the throttle body wouldn't fit inside the skin in it's usual orientation....we've got an M90 from a Pontiac ( that's , like , a potato isn't it?) and we had a Holden version paid for off E-Bay .....got dudded , badly . Sadly we won't be getting blown for a while yet........ :roll:

The gearbox is about 200mm(eight inches ) shorter than it was which allowed us to use a tailshaft rather than a boat-drive...there is of course no stress relieving narrow waist on the output shaft anymore so it will be interesting to see what carks it first there . :shock:

...onward salt lake soldiers...........
Title: Re: Manifold Charms........
Post by: Drewfus on May 30, 2006, 12:54:45 AM
Quote from: Dr Goggles
Oi!
Good to hear from you Drewfus , sorry I didn't get back to you about the B'ville shots ,they are of course great ....it took me about three months just to look at 'em all.


You're lucky I didn't send you all the 'others' then from the rest of my trip...

Quote from: Dr Goggles
...onward salt lake soldiers...........


Keep at it, you're doing great...

Cheers,

Drewfus

P.S. My salt coop idea has just recieved a 'lift' as I've gained sponsorship from an engine builder for 1x550hp SBC....can you say YEE HAAA!!!
Title: Re: Manifold Charms........
Post by: Stovebolt on May 30, 2006, 05:12:10 AM
Quote from: Drewfus


You're lucky I didn't send you all the 'others' then from the rest of my trip...


P.S. My salt coop idea has just recieved a 'lift' as I've gained sponsorship from an engine builder for 1x550hp SBC....can you say YEE HAAA!!!


Aren't I waiting on some more of those shots???????  Between the three of you I should have seen some more!!!!!

550 BHP SBC - well you are a turncoat aren't you ;) Good luck to you Andrew
Title: Pusher Man
Post by: Dr Goggles on May 30, 2006, 07:17:59 AM
Quote from: Sumner

Will there be a push bar or will you tow the car to the line?
c ya, Sum


.....at the moment we're still allowed to drive it ( to and from the track)and initially It shouldn't be a problem apart from the limited vision and 30 deg' castor  but I thinks we'll need a dolly because the turning circle will be somewhat ..large

...I have something " on my plate" at the moment which is eating into "tank-time".,...but we'll get there :wink:
Title: Re: Pusher Man
Post by: Sumner on May 30, 2006, 11:35:59 AM
Quote from: Dr Goggles
Quote from: Sumner

Will there be a push bar or will you tow the car to the line?
c ya, Sum


.....at the moment we're still allowed to drive it ( to and from the track)and initially It shouldn't be a problem apart from the limited vision and 30 deg' castor  but I thinks we'll need a dolly because the turning circle will be somewhat ..large



How are you cooling the motor?  I would think "not driving" it to the starting line would be good.  Also at the end of the run "not driving" it back to the pits might be good or even required depending on the cooling, state of tune, etc..

Quote from: Dr Goggles
...I have something " on my plate" at the moment which is eating into "tank-time".,...but we'll get there :wink:


Hope it doesn't take too long to finish "the meal" so you can get back to work and we get some more pictures :D

c ya, Sum
Title: Re: Pusher Man
Post by: Dr Goggles on May 30, 2006, 07:52:33 PM
[quote="SumnerHow are you cooling the motor?  I would think "not driving" it to the starting line would be good.  
c ya, Sum[/quote]

good point Sum'but until we start pushing the "boundaries" with it I'm confidant that it won't be a problem............in an effort to get everything shaken-down and settled before we work out how to maximise the volume of cooling tanks we might use a radiator and thermo fan lying above the gearbox with an extra holding tank ...once we've got a better idea of exactly how much room we've got and where it is we'll be putting our water tanks in but as it is there certainly isn't room for one tank of the volume we'll need....yes , I know we'll need through flow ( I've got the Rev' on my back here) and that's bad but it won't be for long.....Most of our problems are due to our stubborn insistance to keep the tank in it's original dimensions...and funnily enough when they built it they probably weren't thinking about putting a V6, a 6 foot fella and various other large heavy items in it  :lol:  :lol:

Ain't I clean, bad machine
Super cool, super mean
Dealin' good, for The Man.
Superfly, here I stand.
Secret stash, heavy bread,
Baddest bitches in the bed,
I'm your pusherman

........that's verse 2 Curtis Mayfield "Pusherman" ...just for the record :wink:
Title: Incoming
Post by: Dr Goggles on June 10, 2006, 08:19:03 PM
.......yesterday , in search of a bit of inspiration we put the wheels and body on , bolted in the drive train, hoisted the car off the build jig ( which then got chopped up 'cause there ain't a whole lotta room in the shed) and put it on the ground........and Lo' and behold it looks just like the renders and strangely once it sat on the ground it looked smaller AND LOWER ..in fact I reckon it'd fit between Kent Riches' Squirrell's bag and the ground it's that low :lol: ...........

I'll get the Rev' to post some of the shots we took.....it's gonna be a long time before we get the bodywork all schmick but it was just the shot in the arm that I needed because I was getting a bit #$%*&+$%#$@ with it all and to leap ahead a bit and see it like that was great 8)

Never thought it was going to be easy but when I looked at it last night sitting there it really made sense to me the tone of voice that other builders used when we asked them questions about the whole game of building one....that is to say none were discouraging but there was a certain weariness....after three years .......I think I get it.You have to be a little bit mad and very very very determined ......we aren't finished yet but there is no evidence of light at the start of the tunnel and I'm fairly sure we'll see some ahead of us sometime soon ..........see , a little bit mad. :wink:
Title: NOW
Post by: JackD on June 10, 2006, 10:22:40 PM
Now is the time to stop feeding your driver because they tend to grow over time.
Title: Sir Cumference
Post by: Dr Goggles on June 12, 2006, 12:55:23 AM
Quote from: JackD
Now is the time to stop feeding your driver because they tend to grow over time.


If it wasn't for his missus ( or me when we're working on the tank) the Rev' wouldn't eat at all and um , well you've all seen my frame ....I've put on three pounds in the last twenty five years...Even if we did balloon the only thing we're not short on is willing drivers.....I've got eight male nephews alone , they're expendable and one of them is an inch above dwarfism .

Yesterday we put in the fuel tank.As with so many things on this build it was a found object , I kid you not , Graeme our engine man was moving a cupboard at work and when he looked inside there was a tank out of one of those Suzuki Across 250's....the wheel arch in it and the long thin shape of it are just perfect .we took the original filler cap off the tank(it looks just like one of those stickers that ya see on tuner car fuel flaps) and are about to fit that to the upper cowl .....didn't want to waste anything!!!! :wink:

We are as I like to say " running out of excuses" to finish this thing...... 8)
Title: Build photos
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on June 13, 2006, 12:47:11 AM
Yep, the little petrol tank is in the big petrol tank, like a mother and child.

Only the canopy, exhaust system, fire system, cooling system and a car load of body work to go...

oh yeah, and the trailer, mobile workshop, paintjob #1, parachute, penetration lining, etc. etc.

Better stop thinking about what is not done and focus on the next ONE thing!!!

Attached is a render of our current design but still not happy with canopy details. This is a millimeter perfect computer model of our car that we have been building with the vehicle as a test bed of ideas as we have gone.

Not only has it made it easier because of the weird parabolic shape of the tank and us not having all the pieces until recently, it also aided us mentally to keep going because we had a clear image of what we are aiming for.

The photos show that we are on the right track.

Bless.

Rev. H+
Title: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Sumner on June 13, 2006, 11:55:55 AM
Wow guys great work :!:  :!:   That is going to be one of the most beautiful lakesters ever made :D .  Hey it was hard for me to sit on those pictures you sent a while back, but somehow I did it 8) .

For the driver to get in and out does the body right in front of the cage lift up with the canopy?

Put some more pictures up when you get a chance,

Sum
Title: Egress
Post by: Dr Goggles on June 13, 2006, 07:40:13 PM
....Oh my Sum thanks!.....the front will flip up in order to get out .The Conundrist is right though! if the driver has a pot gut they won't be able to bend far enough forward to get in or out....as it is a helmet will fit through the top of the cage but in order for it to be legal ( in case you're wondering) the top of the cage will be capped because as it is the helmet protrudes above the bottom line of the hoops when either the Rev or I are in it .The Grump is a bit shorter but heavier than either of us ...so it tends to fit about 80-85 kgs of human(175-185 pounds) whatever shape they come in.....

It was a revelation when we started the design as to how beautiful the original tank looked with just wheels drawn alongside....the Rev' has done a fantastic job ( don't tell him though) and there are hundreds of renders with the slightest variations that change the look totally.....when we started we figured that if it was ugly no-one would give a fig what we did ....now we have to make it fast.............um , anyone here know anything about that? :twisted:
Title: Re: Egress
Post by: Sumner on June 13, 2006, 08:54:24 PM
Quote from: Dr Goggles
....Oh my Sum thanks!.....the front will flip up in order to get out .The Conundrist is right though! if the driver has a pot gut they won't be able to bend far enough forward to get in or out.......


On my car I have to slide down forward a little before I can come up with my head and clear the front cage hoop.  No way to just bend at the gut.

Quote from: Dr Goggles
......now we have to make it fast.............


That is for sure, we expect nothing less.  A car that good looking is going to have to go fast  :D ,  this is no car show :wink: .

c ya, Sum
Title: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: dirtydave on June 14, 2006, 07:44:47 AM
Hey guys, things are looking good, and it appears that you have most of the work done, but the last 5% takes as long as the first 95% beware of the nitty gritty, keep up the good work...
looking forward to seeing you guys in 07,
dirty..
coldest day in 17 years here, forecast colder tomorrow, never seen ice on a kangaroo before....cheers.
Title: Ice on the Roo's
Post by: gazza414 on June 14, 2006, 03:36:01 PM
If you were that close to see the ice on the Roo's Dave, I can only assume you were amoungst the sheep warming up???

Must be real cold in dem hills man.
Title: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: generatorshovel on June 15, 2006, 05:56:42 AM
Wonders,,,,,,,,,,,what does salt look like with a covering of frost  :roll:
................................................................Tiny
Title: COLD FEET
Post by: JackD on June 15, 2006, 12:02:57 PM
we have run on the salt when it was snowing in the town of Wendover and the surrounding mountains were covered with white.
We primed the alky motors with propane to start to warm them and had to abort the running when the canopy fogged as soon as the racer was underway.
At Tonopaha, we had to put the timers inside the warm rent a car because while they worked ok the digital display was too cold to work.

You can dress to survive the cold but the heat always sucks. The So Cal tribe had to send the support plane into Las Vegas to get wool sock hats and gloves for everybody. :wink:
Title: Little feat
Post by: Dr Goggles on June 15, 2006, 07:30:37 PM
....can't hear the name Tonopah without thinking of Lowell George's "Willin'"( I've driven every kind of rig that's ever been made...)......there's a story about Stu Hillborn pushing his streamliner over the coals of his overnight fire in order to get it to start on Meth' in Batchelor's book or it might be Genat.......

BTW How come you haven't joined the fray on "Name this Car" Von Dirtington?
Title: D / Q
Post by: JackD on June 15, 2006, 08:16:42 PM
The contest was my idea and so to be fair I had to disqualify myself so as not to unduly influence the decision makers.
You know how sensitive I am to that.  LOL
Title: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: dwarner on June 16, 2006, 09:06:26 AM
Jack,

You crack me up  :lol:

DW
Title: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: dirtydave on June 16, 2006, 07:03:22 PM
didn't know there was a "name this car" will go a lookin, cheers,
Title: due deference
Post by: Dr Goggles on June 16, 2006, 07:13:30 PM
......Yes Jack I think the contest ( who ever thought you had a competitive streak)was your idea but I think the thread was someone elses.... :wink:

thawed your 'roos out yet Dirtwah? and another thing have you organised the Marquee yet for the Victorian diaspora .....word's out that you're hosting a hoedown on the way to AND from the salt next year :lol:  :lol:

Finally I played in a band for long time with a Dan Warner ( try google) , he liked a beer .....or two. :wink:
Title: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: dirtydave on June 16, 2006, 07:52:45 PM
Doors always open this neck of the woods, Might even have a couple of cases of Barossa Red about,,,
cheers I'm to fix burst pipes and frost tolerant solar hot water heaters
Title: I have an idea
Post by: JackD on June 17, 2006, 12:01:10 AM
We could call it "Salt Licks".
 Everyone can sit around and lick their wounds.
Title: inching along....
Post by: Dr Goggles on June 27, 2006, 09:02:38 PM
.....this afternoon I'm back out to the shed and I'll be hooking up the clutch hydraulics in order to see if we're anywhere near a useable set-up....The master is 3/4 the slave is 7/8  however I'm just not sure if we've got enough mechanical advantage on the pedal .Due to the cramped nature of the driving position we've decided to use an unusual pedal arrangement ...they rock ( er sorry ,THEY ROCK!!!!) on a pivot so that they operate by heel pressure and you can rest your foot on them without operating them :? The rod that they pivot on has an arm coming off it vertically( the length of which determines the leverage) which is coupled to the push-rod going into the master cylinder....big deal.

Now I have a question, are there any advantages to using dot 5 fluid? are there disadvantages ......
Title: NOT SO HOT
Post by: JackD on June 27, 2006, 09:13:48 PM
It is unlikely your system will ever see the heat that you might have even in a stocker.
Be sure your foot rest is not bearing on the clutch when you tend to tence up underway. Have an adjacent rest for your foot. Even the smallest feature will give you something else to push on when you have to take a leak and stuff. :wink:
Title: .....joining the dots
Post by: Dr Goggles on June 27, 2006, 11:59:34 PM
Ta Jack
I was wondering more about the differing water absorbtion of dot 3/4 and dot 5...I guess it's really neither here nor there...

As for the resting scenario with the clutch pedal it was that very problem that steered us away from the usual method because with ones knee at 90 deg. it would be v.difficult to avoid loading the clutch between shifts however with the rocker pedal as long as the pressure is on the ball of your foot it won't happen, we're struggling for room for three pedals let alone room for a rest so we might be looking at a hydraulic hand-brake instead of foot operation.......the rocker pedal idea works nicely because with the pitman arm facing back toward us and the tie rods inside the car we needed something to cover them to stop them being fouled  .....conveniently that cover forms a rest that the pedals now pivot on......at the moment it looks like a three year old made it ....we're hoping to get it up to about eight year old standard . :wink:

I'm going out there , right now........
Title: BEAUTY IS IN THE EYE OF THE BEHOLDER
Post by: JackD on June 28, 2006, 12:16:51 AM
If something works but it is not pretty, that is my favorite.
 If asked, I won't hint that it works but suggest it is just a temporary short cut until the pretty one gets back from polishing.
I have spent more time polishing off questions than polishing parts.
One of the most efficient aero packages I have ever seen is from a really unthought of source.
The true lines are confused to the on looker with a mish mash of stickers that trick the eye .
 The viewer will often dismiss it as junk.
Too bad for them. :wink:
Title: stuck on stickers
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on June 28, 2006, 02:40:36 AM
Your post has caught my eye, Jack.

What exactly is, "One of the most efficient aero packages I have ever seen is from a really unthought of source"?

Hmmmmmmmmmmm?

Please explain.

Rev.H+
Title: SPEED SECRETS
Post by: JackD on June 28, 2006, 02:58:28 AM
An aero package is used that is the result of some extensive and successful testing.
It's use at Bonneville is on another brand that one would not connect with the brand represented by the streamlining.
Dimensions in excess of those found to be successful will fail in less than ideal conditions that are seldom seen over the distances traveled.
"Good theoretical designs produce only theoretical results."
"It is better to watch first and then think instead of doing all the thinking first yourself and then end up just watching."
Title: Komplete Klutch
Post by: Dr Goggles on June 28, 2006, 05:14:10 AM
He he he....I'm back from the shed and although it doesn't work I know what will......kind of like you said Jack....and very much as so many things on this car have been.....don't sweat the outcome just GET STARTED,each little scratch built device has been the same , we build what we think will work and from there we can see ( if we're lucky) where we want to be rather than wearing out the pencils and our patience only to find that the "ultimate design" is just that and not a functional item at all.

My fears about not having enough mechanical advantage were unfounded..it was ridiculously light but it just didn't move enough fluid to throw the clutch.....I figure going from 3/4 to a 1' item like that in my '64 delivery will nail it...and um, no Rev' no cuts , no burns :shock: .....unbelievable hey?
Title: No burns?
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on June 28, 2006, 05:22:25 AM
I think you burnt your reputation on today's post on the DLRA site...

rH+
Title: GO FIGURE
Post by: JackD on June 28, 2006, 05:43:14 AM
If you can do the math for a bore and stroke to establish an engine size, you can do the math to tell you what the piston size and stroke will do for the clutch. :wink:
Title: aussie tank
Post by: interested bystander on June 28, 2006, 08:59:32 PM
Nothing specific to the subject, but could it be that OZ is out there just somewhere West of Catalina??
 we are all SO tuned in to the same subject- beer, speed and the ladies, that it hasta be!!!
Title: oz beely tank
Post by: interested bystander on June 28, 2006, 09:13:42 PM
I wen t right over Jack Ds post:

He likes things that work but are not pretty.

Your're a Streisand and F 117 fan, Right??
Title: oz beely tank
Post by: interested bystander on June 28, 2006, 09:20:44 PM
I wen t right over Jack Ds post:

He likes things that work but are not pretty.

Your're a Streisand and F 117 fan, Right??
Title: Re: GOOD FIGURE
Post by: Dr Goggles on June 29, 2006, 04:34:58 AM
Quote from: JackD
If you can do the math for a bore and stroke to establish an engine size, you can do the math to tell you what the piston size and stroke will do for the clutch. :wink:


yes however I was worried about the added effect of the effort required ( there are two points here ...like a normal pedal it's the length of the pedestal and the distance of the push rod from the fulcrum point), going to an inch will give me another 12.5% throw , I hope that does it , I've still got adjustment on the pivot point of the throw out lever as well , which will reduce the distance required( slightly)and finally I haven't got right in and worked out whether the slave is completely evacuated at the start of the stroke and thus giving me full travel.......

Hey Rev' I've been looking for that photo of you in the mink coat with the mirrors on and the handle-bar moustache , I know you're gonna tell everyone it was for a fancy-dress party ,but I know better......next you'll be riding a chromed up Harley :wink: .....any more of that silly talk and you'll be chocolates sunshine.Anyway I'd be careful besmirching my reputation because it'll only reflect on you........like , shhhhhhh he must be one too :wink:   :shock:  :wink:

BTW Bystander are saying Bab's is ugly???.....it's a beuatiful hand beaten track nose I reckon :wink:
Title: PERFECTION
Post by: JackD on June 29, 2006, 10:26:05 AM
"It shows ta go ya the Bellytank has not been perfected yet.
When they are, the Chinese will build them cheaper and everybody will have at least one.
LSR is safe for now.
Not enough people have figured how to make enough money yet and completely ruin it for those that choose to do it another way." :wink:
Title: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Bob Drury on June 29, 2006, 07:37:15 PM
What?  There is no money to be made?  What the hell have I mortgaged the house for?  I built my car for fame and fortune, and now you have the balls to tell me there is no money to be made?  Shit.............
Title: HELPLESS HOPELESS
Post by: JackD on June 29, 2006, 08:13:19 PM
(The following is written in American so the Downunders can't read it.)

It was never presumed anybody from Washington anything could be saved and we just put up with the Oz's enough so they will feel good staying home and that serves to make us feel good. :wink:
Title: Staying home
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on June 29, 2006, 09:02:54 PM
Fine. We don't want to run on your lumpy overcrowded track anyway, mate.

Reverend H.

"The U.S. is a great place to keep all the Americans"
Title: Re: Staying home
Post by: JackD on June 29, 2006, 11:30:09 PM
Quote from: Reverend Hedgash
Fine. We don't want to run on your lumpy overcrowded track anyway, mate.

Reverend H.

"The U.S. is a great place to keep all the Americans"

You got it right.
 You can only buy so many t-shirts.
 When the meet is so large you don't see all the people in a week or more it is too large.
 Other locations are developing their program and the use of the salt will expand as conditions permit.
It had to bottom out for people to get going with other events.
One or two runs a day sucks the big one.
You OZ folks should consider a Maxton type meet in a series to expand your horizon.
You are also in a good position to host FIA and FIM runs on a regulsr basis.
Title: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Bob Drury on June 29, 2006, 11:34:52 PM
Jon, how much to buy a larger star than Dolan?  Its a ego thing.............
Title: Hydrafrolics
Post by: Dr Goggles on June 29, 2006, 11:45:06 PM
Quote from: interested bystander
Nothing specific to the subject, but could it be that OZ is out there just somewhere West of Catalina??
 we are all SO tuned in to the same subject- beer, speed and the ladies, that it hasta be!!!


....let's just say it's a little off the bus route , which isn't necessarily a tragedy as my last few post would indicate I'd struggle to read a timetable......we'll know by the end of the weekend whether I need to go back to school or not :wink: I thought beer had just become a particularly unpopular discussion topic on this forum :twisted:

 ....and Bob , hook or by crook I'll get rich out of this tank thing you mark my words.....crikey! by Jove....huh? no prizemoney??......what? .....If I'd known that I probably would've gone and built some sort of crazy contraption out of discarded aeroplane bits and second-hand car parts and then tried to drag it out to the middle of the desert for some once a year event just to prove to people that I had all my marbles.....watch this space..............
Title: ON SALE NOW
Post by: JackD on June 29, 2006, 11:45:23 PM
Quote from: Bob Drury
Jon, how much to buy a larger star than Dolan?  Its a ego thing.............


How many do you need ?
I can get them for you wholesale.
If you like the red ones, we have a few spots left on the "Walk of Shame" for cheap.
No aceptimos Pesos. :wink:
Title: Maxton Meet
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on June 29, 2006, 11:59:04 PM
Jack

regarding a Maxton type event:

The great thing about having a limited population is that we are not overcrowded to begin with, but the unfortunate thing is we have the same small percentage of volunteers to run the event.

The DLRA has been fantastically run by a small group of party faithfull for its history but for any expansion, especially a Maxton type expansion it really needs to get all the members committing to helping out.

This is under discussion now with the best idea I've heard being to be able to run a vehicle you have to commit some hours to the event running.  I look forward to becoming a better contributor somehow in this respect next year as I have been a bum for the last three years.

Some talk was about separating the bike meet with the cars but that would be sad (because there are some great blokes and great bikes there that I would miss) and problematic. At least if it rains now everyone is affected equally!

I think there is something cool about us all being one group too, instead of a bunch of clubs competing against each other as it means everyone is in it together to make it work. Less politicking too.

A big issue with multiple meets is that Lake Gairdner is a seriously long distance from anywhere with typically a two to three day drive to get there. Travelling out there once a year would be enough for most competitors to handle I am presuming, and then there are issues regarding the State Park and others that also make multiple meets a tad complex.

I hear that Bonneville is looking much better this year for salt conditions which is great for all concerned, for safety and speed.

Why, we just might bringing our belly out in a couple of years if it continues that way...

rev H+
Title: Might?
Post by: Dr Goggles on June 30, 2006, 12:06:38 AM
Will!
Title: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Bob Drury on June 30, 2006, 12:08:39 AM
Rev, I thought all youse guys was convicts...if we come down to race, you wouldn't be playing Dueling Banjos on the old jews harp would you?
Title: squeal like a pig!
Post by: Dr Goggles on June 30, 2006, 12:33:13 AM
ma cuthin he playda bangjo! :shock:
Title: Convicts
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on June 30, 2006, 12:35:51 AM
Bobbet,

The stupid thing the English did was pack up all the interesting people from the UK and send them to live on the world's largest island in the sun, while the rest of them stayed on a cold little rock off the coast of a (now united) Europe. No wonder they can't win at cricket.

If you went to Tasmania you might be in trouble regarding banjoes, a few of those "non city types" there. Think "Deliverence 4: Trouble Down Under". Stars a holidaying Burt Reynolds with his secretary Paris Hilton who gets eaten by the drooling dolts from Launceston.

Dr Goggles' cousin indeed plays a mean version of duelling banjos but he is a Victorian, and Victoria was free settled (with convict labour from other states, like it is now). I am sure he can be coerced to provide a soundtrack to your excursion to Gairdner.

There are other types I'd be more afraid of though. Some members are the ah... how should I say it... outback types unacustomed to civil niceties who would rip your arms off and shove them down your throat if you looked at them funny... Just smile and nod at everyone like they are from Texas and carrying a gun.


rH+
Title: WELCOME ABOARD
Post by: JackD on June 30, 2006, 01:33:06 AM
You are doing a good job in avoiding our mistakes.
When I mention a Maxton type event, I mean just that.
You must have some available runway surface left over from WW2 that is closer to your population.
 The salt is certainly the best and you should always focus on that.
 Smaller meets on a hard surface can be very user friendly and are not as much work as you might think.
 When you divide up the duties you will still have time to race.
 The closer to the population you are will better generate workers that have no desire to race but just be part of the action.
 4 or more race meets can be scheduled without the expense and commitment to a once a year deal with no backup plan.
I think the 1 mile run up to a 132ft. trap is something that could happen all over the world.
If you standardize the rules and procedures you can race the guy in south Africa and England at the same time.
Instant (hands off) timing and the power of the Internet can put common interests together.


(coded note to the Americans)
I just wana kick their butt.
Title: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Bob Drury on June 30, 2006, 12:57:56 PM
Jeez Jack, a post that I can both understand, and makes sense at the same time!  :wink:
Title: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stan Back on June 30, 2006, 01:34:49 PM
Rev --

You could even use the SCTA format with clubs from differen t areas assigned the duties.  I could send you the Giant Conspiracy rules under a different cover.
Title: SEND IN YOUR CONTRIBUTIONS
Post by: JackD on June 30, 2006, 06:55:02 PM
I would be happy to send you all the Geargrinders to help you learn the hard way.
I would send some Rod Riders but the Bail Bond guy really has a fit and will want to send Moose along.
"Racin ain't kind"
"Tradition unhampered by progress is responsible for the wide influence of the British Empire today."
Title: Gittin' Heavy
Post by: Dr Goggles on June 30, 2006, 07:41:17 PM
Cripes.....that tradition thing was deep Jack.....but you're right , you can refer back to the Rev's post on forced migration , it sums up my feelings perfectly.

For those who didn't know the DLRA is a discreet club not an affiliation of smaller clubs.....so we manage to avoid inter-club battles , ours are between the mad and the sane , the young and the old , cars and bikes or the usual GM Vs Ford stuff......simple really.
Title: on we go
Post by: Dr Goggles on August 06, 2006, 08:23:57 AM
Long time no hear.......We've been getting stuff done on the 'tank. This week I finished the gear shift , tidied up a few details on the firewall , built the mount for the fuel tank , The Grump and I built the tightest set of extractors ever and I embarked on the journey of a lifetime , yes , building the water tank.........The dictionary of swear words wouldn't go anywhere near the required....I made it out of 3mm mild sheet, we estimate it'll hold about 60 litres or so( about 13 gallons) and has five horizontal baffles in order to flow top to bottom via the longest possible route.....working on a steel "box" of that volume with any power tool is a somewhat noisy thing to do......I think my neighbors are pooling their cash to hire a hit-man to finish me off as soon as possible.

On another front I made a phone enquiry about a partly finished bellytank with a merlin in it for sale.....turns out it's owned by Lucky Kaiser a long time builder and racer from Queensland who appeared this year with a 750 Trumper in a pencil body but failed to get past the scrutineers for several reasons.......when he gets past 'em it will be a serious contender

later we talk. :wink:
Title: FIT FINISH AND CAPACITY
Post by: JackD on August 06, 2006, 10:12:59 AM
The last water tank that Nolan built was measured to fit the frame in the nose just as tight as could be made.
IT was a beautiful job of fitted and welded aluminum.
It was all straight cut pieces with some folded corners and the rest was welded and fit pretty good.
That evening ,I came over to check on the progress and found the tank was all radius in the panels and really fit the space available.
 I had no idea who and how all that extra work happened , but now it was better than ever.
As we were locking up that night he said "I saw you looking at the tank and you never actually asked about it." What happened, was during the day he fired it up and chuffed a head gasket into the water jacket and the squeeze from 1 jug " PILLOW POOFED" the tank to fit.
It was an unintentional result ,but he silently enjoyed the credit for all the extra work.
 If you were brave enough to ask , he was brave enough to share the truth.
That is really the important part for both sides that needs more work.
Title: Re: WELCOME ABOARD
Post by: hawkwind on August 06, 2006, 04:01:02 PM
Quote from: JackD
You are doing a good job in avoiding our mistakes.
When I mention a Maxton type event, I mean just that.
You must have some available runway surface left over from WW2 that is closer to your population.
 The salt is certainly the best and you should always focus on that.
 Smaller meets on a hard surface can be very user friendly and are not as much work as you might think.
 When you divide up the duties you will still have time to race.
 The closer to the population you are will better generate workers that have no desire to race but just be part of the action.
 4 or more race meets can be scheduled without the expense and commitment to a once a year deal with no backup plan.
I think the 1 mile run up to a 132ft. trap is something that could happen all over the world.
If you standardize the rules and procedures you can race the guy in south Africa and England at the same time.
Instant (hands off) timing and the power of the Internet can put common interests together.


(coded note to the Americans)
I just wana kick their butt.


All is not quiet on a 'maxton. type event ,a decommissioned runway at Evens head northern NSW is maybe going to have a similar event ,but it may be cancelled  only 11 entrants so far and its really not long enough 1.3 mtrs total  that would include stoping , there is another runway being looked at at Tocumwal (murry river ) apprentally its about 3 km's long but a dirt surface ,I will report on suitability soon
Gary
Title: Irish Runway
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on August 06, 2006, 07:58:00 PM
"Only 1.3 metres in total..."

Gary mate I think you may be looking at the track sideways... is it really really wide?

Good to have you back Jack.

Rev.H+
Title: Ya gotta understand
Post by: JackD on August 06, 2006, 08:17:29 PM
1.3 mtrs represents the farthest distance he got before he did a face plant and that is all he can remember. :wink:
Title: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: hawkwind on August 07, 2006, 04:56:26 AM
hardy har har , convert 1.3 mtrs to 1.3 km's
Title: Re: FIT FINISH (kind of) AND CAPACITY
Post by: Dr Goggles on August 07, 2006, 10:33:55 AM
Quote from: JackD
" What happened, was during the day he fired it up and chuffed a head gasket into the water jacket and the squeeze from 1 jug " PILLOW POOFED" the tank to fit.
It was an unintentional result ,but he silently enjoyed the credit for all the extra work.If you were brave enough to ask , he was brave enough to share the truth.That is really the important part for both sides that needs more work.


he he he ......he shouldn't have "given over " on that one and you would have saved the story for his funeral as a measure of his meticulous attention to detail..........lets just say that there will be no mistaking our effort for one of a latent genius.......BUT, it will be the biggest thing give or take a percentage point or so that would fit in the spot , we could have made a perfectly symetrical spotlessly tig welded Aluminium tank , but we were busy , um , doing other things so a frankenstein steel one will be just fine.......right now I'm fairly confident when we don't go as fast as we should it will be well down the list of "causes" .....

Great to see you back on deck Jack, given the fact that you've been tied to a stationary machine for a couple of years I'd assume that you'll be concentrating on some less than stationary ones for a while now.....do tell.

Hey Gary , next Speedweek I'll hold the Rev' down and you can belt him one just for being a smarta--- :wink:

This morning Greg W rang and said he'd been talking to Lucky as well.( about his old bike liner).....jeez ,it's Lucky's lonely Landspeed hearts line......The first time I met GW I immediately thought whoa , he knows his onions....and you couldn't meet a nicer more relaxed bloke....something serious will come of all that....you mark my words Mr D.
Title: Global Land Speed
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on August 10, 2006, 11:13:35 PM
Jack, apparently Pixar read your posts talking about the Global Land Speed   events and have got the idea to place "Cars 2" at various land speed sites.

Lightning McQueen and the crew challenge BARF1 to a series of drags around the world.

Attached is a local promo shot showing some local talent from the DLRA!!

Can't wait to see this one.

reverend H+

Photos and news on the real tank to come soon
Title: Tank city
Post by: Dr Goggles on August 31, 2006, 10:27:17 PM
Hi All
last night I picked up the latest aquisition for Jarman-Stewart Racing( er that's me and the Reverend) it's a Spitfire tank that we bought from Hillbilly Jim Pitman in Sydney.........As with the tank we're using for our lakester the comments from the freight guys are always priceless ...." oh , you're here to pick up the submarine /bullet/pod/bomb thingo etc , ...what the h--- are you gonna do with that????".......so you tell 'em , they look at you like you've got " I am completely nuts" written on your forehead ,they laugh and wish you luck.....and I always reply the same ...." I hope we don't need it"..........

This is one small tank.It's seven feet long , steel and would seem to be the same pattern as the P38 tank but smaller , it's steel .We intend to make a mold of it in order to avoid chopping it up .Does anyone have any ideas about a really small bellytank lakester ....like for instance are we allowed to use handlebars instead of a steering wheel and pedals???? it would save a lot of room up front and may simplify things a bit......I'm thinking bike motor, chain drive , any pointers on those who've gone this route before would be appreciated......might even end up with  a version of the Sum' rear end.........hit me. :wink:
Title: Tank city
Post by: Dr Goggles on August 31, 2006, 10:27:37 PM
Hi All
last night I picked up the latest aquisition for Jarman-Stewart Racing( er that's me and the Reverend) it's a Spitfire tank that we bought from Hillbilly Jim Pitman in Sydney.........As with the tank we're using for our lakester the comments from the freight guys are always priceless ...." oh , you're here to pick up the submarine /bullet/pod/bomb thingo etc , ...what the h--- are you gonna do with that????".......so you tell 'em , they look at you like you've got " I am completely nuts" written on your forehead ,they laugh and wish you luck.....and I always reply the same ...." I hope we don't need it"..........

This is one small tank.It's seven feet long , steel and would seem to be the same pattern as the P38 tank but smaller , it's steel .We intend to make a mold of it in order to avoid chopping it up .Does anyone have any ideas about a really small bellytank lakester ....like for instance are we allowed to use handlebars instead of a steering wheel and pedals???? it would save a lot of room up front and may simplify things a bit......I'm thinking bike motor, chain drive , any pointers on those who've gone this route before would be appreciated......might even end up with  a version of the Sum' rear end.........hit me. :wink:
Title: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: DON NOBLE on September 01, 2006, 02:29:16 AM
better idea  :? make it into an esky , now that be cool . Less work , more refreshing .
Title: Re: Tank city
Post by: Sumner on September 01, 2006, 12:35:32 PM
Quote from: Dr Goggles
Hi All
last ......might even end up with  a version of the Sum' rear end.........hit me. :wink:


It will be interesting to see what you guys do with that tank.  

If you decide to do a rear similar to what I did get hold of me as I would do a couple things different and will probably change it at some point in the future.

You guys are 6 months out from running.  How are you doing time wise???  I'm 11 months out for me and worried :cry: .

c ya, Sum
Title: Time is tight!!!
Post by: Dr Goggles on September 03, 2006, 06:23:31 AM
Seven months, thanks for reminding me!!....We had one of those backwards days today....I had a look at the tailpipe and what had been tacked and fitting nicely last week was somehow kind of crooked and not fitting up too well after welding(does heat distort things???? :roll: )......it took longer to dick around with a few flanges and stuff than it did to make it in the first place , great.We're still fiddling with bracing in the rear frame too . We're also dealing with issues with hoisting the motor as stuff is crammed in around it we need to work out the obvious stuff like what order things are removed.....not rocket science but with the room we've got it makes each successive job a little longer...I reckon by the time we're running I'll have a name for every nut and bolt on the thing.We will be there , but it's gonna be tight :wink:
Title: On the couch
Post by: Dr Goggles on September 03, 2006, 06:32:39 AM
Quote from: Sumner

If you decide to do a rear similar to what I did get hold of me as I would do a couple things different and will probably change it at some point in the future.c ya, Sum


building these things is a great metaphor for life......some stuff you would do differently, some stuff you wish you'd done better , some stuff you don't know why you perservered with or have since gone after lots of time and money, some bits you still can't fathom and you just put down to good luck or divine intervention and some other bits that you know were right although you struggled to find people who agreed with you.

 :shock:
Title: KIT CAR ?
Post by: JackD on September 03, 2006, 06:55:21 AM
I trust you will have all this worked out before you release the kit.  LOL
Title: Here Kitty Kitty
Post by: Dr Goggles on September 04, 2006, 08:28:39 PM
........they'll be making them in China before we get our brochures back from the printers and by the time the last canape is eaten at the "media launch" there will be rumours of " reliability problems and safety concerns".....the business goes broke after three pre-sales .Twenty years later the smart bastard Jack someone who'd bought the first three units sells them as mint set on E-bay and makes a motza , just another curio.

Anyway, on Sunday whilst staring at our new toy the Spitfire tank the Rev' says " you know I reckon we could cast our screen off that"....yesterday we dug a little deeper.The top side blunt end is unbelievably close to the dimensions of the screen in the render you see above so it looks like we'll be cleaning it up to take a mold.....I mean how could we not? So it looks like the outside profile of the car will indeed be made solely of bellytank .........pedants.

I guess I'll be spending some time looking at your segment on how to slump perspex Sum'.

Git garn. :D
Title: Ploddin' along
Post by: Dr Goggles on September 30, 2006, 06:51:11 PM
Yesterday we made a start on fixing the body to the frame .Hand made punch and dolly to form countersinks in the aluminium ....little steel tags hanging off the mid-line bar ...and a whole lot more measuring and chin rubbing........after about six hours we had a system and we had four( of a probable hundred) countersunk machine threads in place ( the right place).....it should get quicker from here.......this is the " housekeeping" part of the build and to be honest it's not the bit I relish. :x
Title: Belly tank update
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on November 20, 2006, 01:08:45 PM
It's been a while since the last update. Not that we have been slack just the opposite. So here is a list of what's been done:

Seat belted into shape
Body bits attached
water tank built
exhaust and headers made
front roll cage plated in to stop penetration to cabin in accident
petrol tank added
megasquirt purchased
rear framing completed
floor plates welded in
pedals put in
gear linkage working

woohoo.

But! I am away at the moment but back at christmas for a big build holiday. Shall try and update more often!

Reverend Hedgash
Reporting from the Middle East.
Title: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Lynchy on November 21, 2006, 12:38:00 AM
Looking good guys - what's the fuel tank out of or is it built to suit - it looks quite unusual
Title: Fuel tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on November 21, 2006, 01:00:06 AM
Hey Lynchy,

It is a fuel tank from a motorbike which has the fuel tank under the seat as its real fuel tank is a helmet store.

Colonel Grump, our engine man, found it in his cupboard. So many items for this car have been given to us by providence.

This is how we perceive hot rodding should be, the clever re-assembly of parts from other cars and things combined with some home made fabrication.

Anyone can go to the So-Cal catalog and order a Lego hot rod but what is that? And expensive uncreative kit car.

We are proud to say the only new items in our car are basically to do with safety; the Landspeeds, the seatbelts, the clothing, the brakes cylinders and the fire suppression system. The rest we have made, scrounged or bought second hand. (Bless ebay!)

Good to see the Shaguar on the build site. Some good advice already rolling in from those in the know.

We will have to race each other to finish.

Speak soon,

Rev.H+
Title: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Lynchy on November 21, 2006, 02:59:17 AM
Rev

Yes - Big Gaz is determined to get the car down down to the salt next year despite the battering his credit card will take.... It is becoming his new religion - since you are a Reverend maybe you could give him the blessing of the gods of speed? Maybe you could also intro your crew, I was aware of the good Dr and his new girlfriend Nurse Ratchet and there were also photo's of the Lady Hedgash in some previous postings, hadn't heard of Colonel Grump before though. Our team currently comprises of Big Gaz and myself (from afar). It's been funny over the last few years, I would have expected all of our mates to want to come down to the lake for the horsepower party but I guess life catches up and the wheels fall off.

I agree with what you say regarding hot rodding and will willingly accept a fire system from anyone that wants to give us one ;-) or high presure fuel pumps or injectors or computer .......

Yes - good feedback from Sumner - I've been reading up on Hooleys Stude and there are a lot of similarities that we can take on board. The NASCAR roof flap was an idea that we had considered upon seeing Chris' NASCAR Thunderbird down at Gairdner this year... the bellypan is something we've discussed and will implement when time allows so Sumner will be pounded by email for sure.

Can't wait till March!!
Title: distance
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on November 21, 2006, 03:11:11 AM
Lynchy,

I shall say a race prayer for both of our teams.

I am going to be in Bahrain on Friday and Saturday watching the AussieV8 supercars. Should be pretty cool. It looks a fantastic racetrack on TV.

There is a drag strip in Um al Qwaiin too I might check out too.

It's only just over an hours flight from where I'm working so why wouldnya?

That's fine by your mates not coming. We only want the die hards. The riff raff can go to Summernats in Canberra with the rest of the bogans and their chicks, keep the salt pure....

Amen

Reverend Hedgash
Speed Deacon
Title: Megasquirt
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on December 05, 2006, 02:21:30 AM
Started building the Megasquirt engine management system.

The hardest thing is wading through the sea of information to figure out what is appropriate for us. Assembly is remarkably easy thus far with good instructions from the site.

(For those who want to know: We have decided to go the MS1 chip with the v3.0 board running MSnE for our Commodore V6 VN.)

The photo is the Megastim component which acts as a proxy engine so you can test the Megasquirt has been assembled correctly and then practice with the tuning software. It has 5 LED's which represent various functions:

    * Injector #1 - lights when the first injector bank is grounded [injectors firing].

    * Injector #2 - lights when the second injector bank is grounded [injectors firing].

    * Fuel Pump - lights when the fuel pump relay is grounded.

    * FIdle - lights when the Fast Idle solenoid is activated.

    * Ignition - lights when the ignition circuit of MS2 fires

Step by step we are getting there. Dr Goggoles informs me last weekend he completed the canopy hinge and it works pretty well.

Rev. H+

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Sumner on December 05, 2006, 11:02:58 AM
Neat, you are going to have to bring me up to speed on it later :-).  You doing this work "out of country" in your hotel room??

Tell the Doc hi,

Sum
Title: O.S.
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on December 05, 2006, 12:08:05 PM
Yep.
I'm now in Bur Dubai on the Khor Dubai in the city of Dubai in the Emirate of the same name.

Great place, friendly people, but not that imaginative when naming things.

Just like the electrowhatsit.

Hope the retirement is treating you well.

rev.h+
Title: Re: O.S.
Post by: Drewfus on December 05, 2006, 07:25:48 PM
Yep.
I'm now in Bur Dubai on the Khor Dubai in the city of Dubai in the Emirate of the same name.

Great place, friendly people, but not that imaginative when naming things.

Just like the electrowhatsit.

Is that like the whos-i-whats-a?

Trust all is well, been busy, email me with some updates dude,

Drewfus
Title: 300hp@6500
Post by: Dr Goggles on December 09, 2006, 06:33:30 PM
. Dr Goggoles informs me last weekend he completed the canopy hinge and it works pretty well.

Rev. H+

Yeah , what he said :mrgreen:........Tiz true what he sayeth......... The flip front flips up...not much else at the moment but true to the Right Reverends design it works .Right now It's a quarter past Ten on a Sunday which means it's "Tank Day" however it is 37 degrees Celcius and our state Victoria is on fire in a pretty serious fashion , visibilty was down to a quarter mile in the city yesterday , 100 miles from the nearest fire.

This week I am off to pick up a "large component" for a late model passenger vehicle designed by one of the larger worldwide manufacturers .Through an astonishing alignment of good luck ,good fortune and table manners it was found to have our name on it and thus to be unusable for it's designated purpose ,we have an inkling that we might be able to squeeze it into a little project of ours.......have I said too much Rev'?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on December 14, 2006, 07:15:53 AM
No, not too much but it implies that the large component was stolen which I would like to catagorically state that it was not.

I have completed sassembling the Megasquirt, took about 12 hours over various nights. Haven't started practicing tuning yet but looks good to go.

Also may have our canopy problem sussed. Have found two ex Macchi jet trainer canopies for sale (for charity no less!) at $100 each. Hope they fit! (Anyone know the best way to polish out scratches?)

Reverend Hedgash  :evil:
The farther faster Father
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: JackD on December 14, 2006, 07:28:54 AM
You guys mention 3 items of good luck served you.
Well I can't imagine anything more than the first 2.
Plastic polish is a requirement for anybody with their own plane and there is some really good stuff out there.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank - Macchi jet trainer canopies
Post by: roygoodwin on December 14, 2006, 02:18:19 PM
"Also may have our canopy problem sussed. Have found two ex Macchi jet trainer canopies for sale (for charity no less!) at $100 each. Hope they fit! (Anyone know the best way to polish out scratches?)"

Are the canopies  acrylic (plexiglass is one brand name for the material ) or polycarbonate (lexan is one brand name for the material ) ?  You can use progressively finer sandpaper followed by buffing compound to remove the scratches.  You should get some scrap material & experiment with that first.  Some buffing compounds *might* react unfavorably with the plastic. 

You need to be careful if the scratch is fairly deep, like if you can catch a fingernail in it.  Because by the time you get the scratch out, you might have a bifocal canopy.  The deeper the scratch the larger area you'd need to san & buff to minimize the distortion.

Some aircraft windshields are multi-layer & have layers of glass, plastic, & sometimes tempered glass.  IF the canopies are like that, you're probably out of luck, especially if the outer (scratched ) layer is glass, & almost certainly if it's tempered glass.  The glass would take a LOT LONGER time to get a scratch out than plastic, and the tempered glass might just let go.  Tempered glass doesn't like to have much if any machining done to it after it's installed. 

FWIW I used to be in the glass & mirror business and have dealt with acrylic, polycarbonate, glass & tempered glass.

HTH

roy
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Greyboy on December 21, 2006, 09:01:14 AM
My 2 cents .. Modelers, fabricators and restorers of all kinds have used a product called Novus with great success; it comes in three grades, #3 for heavy scratches, #2 or  light scratches. and #1 for the final polish. Works on plastics and polycarbonates.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on December 25, 2006, 11:06:23 PM
Sandshoes Hairy Crutch Greyboy , that was just the info we needed.I went and got the canopies this morning....also there was a Mirage ( hey , I like those tanks!!!) a Vampire ( them's real cute tanks ya got there!!! :wink:) and the remains of a P38( like a screwed up ball of Alfoil) dragged out of the jungle in New Guinea , I didn't get to see the Sea Fury in the hangar ( we've got one o' them anyway)...............Apparently they have some fabricating savant who Tigs paper thin Aluminium ( NB sp.)sheet in his sleep and is busy building everything they need , they reckon he has done some resto bits for some Lightning stateside replacing the "bladder tanks"(????) and building many parts straight of the draughts....

thanks again GB

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Greyboy on December 27, 2006, 11:15:19 PM

Congratulations=canopy acquisition. I hope your right arms are Schwarzenegger, or your lefts if your lefties .. lol
Title: Cheese welding
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 06, 2007, 05:44:58 PM
.....doing nine days straight on the tank ....yesterday we plumbed the cooling system finally ....although the rudiments have been sitting around for ages there were certain little "in-betweenies" that needed to be sorted out ....it's a bit like watching moluscs on a rock . Last week we chopped the top off the inlet manifold and moved the throttle body to a downdraft position .....Argon , a mini sand-blaster and a dedicated torch for Al wire in my Mig and it was a cinch( Mill?? who needs a mill when you've got this handy angle-grinder and a body file :wink:)....it was also useful to alter the neck of the thermostat housing to point straight up .Likewise the sand blaster has been critical when welding the bodywork as it's only 2mm .

We've chopped up one of the canopies ...it's very close to what we want but not perfect.Any suggestions on making slight bends to the edges???...it's 3/8 thick...um yeah :-o
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Greyboy on January 07, 2007, 05:42:57 AM
If I understand you right, you can make small bends on an edge by c-clamping it between 2 pieces of wood and evenly heating the polycarbonite across the entire region that will need to take the bend. Attach a couple of stick handles to the wood while you're at it to make the bending easier.

Pass a heat gun (not a blow dryer) back and forth the area until it is heated enough, wear gloves and test on a scrap piece first by doing a test bend of an identical arc. We're trying to avoid stress lines and bubbles forming both of which are irreversable. Also, something like thick felt might be good to line the inside surfaces of the clamping bars.

That canopy is probably polycarbonate, although I could find no info on the Maachi Trainer itself...anyway you said you had two of them right?

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Grey

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Title: dine nays straight
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 14, 2007, 07:49:06 AM
...just finished a bit of a " lock in ' on the tank and we've got most of the body sorted out ,  the screen is roughed , the exact method of mounting it , the upper nose body panel,and the superstructure that it all hinges on are still a little "fluid" but it's a lot closer than it was , um , nine days ago.An old friend dropped in while we were at the screen , he 's in the forces and used to be a Blackhawk mechanic...watched us muck around for an hour discussing how we'd join the pieces of screen with these strips of Al , before telling us ...... "how it was done" ...we were on the right track , thankfully.The top cowl is welded to the body and it has been re-cut as the " bonnet" and tail sections....We've finished the tub by welding a 3mm floor of Al as a skin.We had to add about 50mm (2") down one side because as the tank is a wing-tip fit it wasn't entirely symetrical along what we wanted to use as the floor line , it looks pretty scummy ( the welding) but it all gets ground , bashed , bondo'd and painted in the end I guess .

Some dill got sand in all sorts of places that has made our engine man most unhappy with said wielder of sand-blaster....like everywhere dude!!! :oops:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Sumner on January 14, 2007, 11:44:53 AM
Sounds good Doc., do we get to see any pictures???

Is the Rev. helping or still playing in the Middle East :wink:?

And I hate to ask this as I know how many times I get asked the question myself :cry:, but does it look like you can make it by the 1st of March???

Good luck and c ya,

Sum
Title: Back In Town
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 14, 2007, 03:36:56 PM
The Rev is back and in high gear .The answer is no it doesn't "look" like we'll make but I think we will...if that makes any sense.I can see us rolling up to the start line at about 2pm Friday just as Cled starts packing up the caravan ....." oh , sorry guys that was the last run ......there's always next year" :cry:

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: PJQ on January 16, 2007, 01:17:44 AM
S'pose I'd better get your spray guns back to your place where they belong. What kind of paint are you thinking of using?
Is Acrylic faster than Enamel?

PJQ
Velocity Science Laboratories

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on January 21, 2007, 10:01:52 PM
I've got some cans of ten year old Pink Primer that my dad used to do the gutters in which might just make an appearance...

Yes Sum, I made it back from O.S. safe and sound.

So much to do and so little time... I did a list last night and it is feasible to get it running by March... but now the road to the lake has been washed away!!! Surrounded by bushfires one minute, drowning the next.

If the weather doesn't get you, then the stingrays, crocodiles, snakes, spiders, jellyfish, sharks, drop bears will.

Rush time.

Rev. H+
Title: hup hup hup
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 25, 2007, 05:24:11 PM
Today is "Australia Day"....yes , a holiday and yes that means we're back on the tank......who'd a thunk it , crikey ! will it ever be done??? We'll be framing the canopy as we're now happy with the shape and alignment , attaching it to the bodywork still needs a little consideration but it's mostly sorted.As for paint , the way it's going at the moment I'll be painting it on the trailer , on the way there.....

farewell fast friends , I got stuff to do..............
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 27, 2007, 06:25:14 PM
We're acting as if the race is on and we're going flat out to get the tank up and running....I'll finish the frame paint tonight while today we're working on the flip front getting the screen attached to the skin and sorting the catches for same.Picked up a car yesterday that we'll gut for the motor  as the 2 V6's that we have are the early version and I'm not convinced that a crankshaft adaptor that I had made up is properly balanced , in a curio the early versions of this motor had a different crank in the auto and manual versions , the one I got yesterday has a bigger( eight bolt) crank boss that fits the flex plate OR the flywheel , I drove it yesterday , it'll do for licensing which is all we'll be up for this year.The new variable valve timing motor that we got will be kept til next year , we will run it stock , unmolested as it has about 320 hp and will get close to 7000rpm, the older versions will be built and probably run forced induction in fuel class.

The Rev is here , see ya :wink:
Title: Belly Tank canopy photos
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on January 29, 2007, 10:15:21 PM
OK, now it is starting to get serious.

Our canopy has been cut and folded in. Yeah we probably should have heated it as everyone said but it is a half inch thick our test with a heat gun yellowed it before it got enough heat into it to bend and we running against time to build something to bend it.

We are happy with the result anyway as we have made a suitable face with a suitable attitude for the car which was the one design element missing from the rendered designs.

The whole canopy hinges from the nose.

Spent a couple of hours with the Lady Hedgash on the couch last night polishing the scratches out of the canopy in front of Top Gear. Going successfully but the couch is getting a bit messy.

Reverend H+
Title: Belly Tank photos
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on January 29, 2007, 10:18:05 PM
Dr Goggles aluminium skills are coming through with the body coming together nicely.

We have also put side windows in to assist vision when turning into pits, etc. These we have based on chopped hot rod style windows and will be a piece of curved lexan screwed in.

Firewall has been completed to the body edge and have clad the top of the rollcage in steel to protect from intrusion there.

Our seat is also attached and the back is louvred. coooooooool.

rH+
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: hitz on January 30, 2007, 11:55:58 PM
Rev, Dr,

 Cool, Cool, Cool! Looks like you might make it this March. All the luck in the world to you both. Just a trip down the salt will make it all worth well.
 
  Harv
Title: frame and bottom of car
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on January 31, 2007, 06:40:09 PM
Thanks Harv,

We have taken the step to undercoat the frame while everything was out so we didn't have to do it later and we can just assemble, assemble, assemble.

In these photos you can see the 5mm steel base which protects the bottom, helps brace the car, is a form of natural ballast (we have followed advice to make things bigger and heavier than necessary) and gives a flat surface for the aluminium flat bottom of the tank to fix too.

The plate wrapping up around the sides is the bottom half of our scattershield built in as a brace.

As per discussions elsewhere on this topic we have chosen to have the car 50mm from the ground at the front (to maximise driver compartment) then at the 1/3 point the base gently slopes up to cater for the increasing boundary layer size.

You can also see the front framing of the canopy in open position. It still needs a bit more bracing but you get the idea. Greyboy, I understand your Schwarzenagger statement now, the canopy is indeed heavy. Might whack a couple of hatch gas struts onto it...

The frame is going to be Golden Yellow in colour (Dr Go is spraying it this week) because it is good to find dropped screws and things,and yellow looks good on the salt.

rH+

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: PJQ on January 31, 2007, 06:41:17 PM
<<  pic of Dr. Goggs peering through the side window >>

Looks like Mr. Ramjet needs a Proton Energy pill.


Regs,
PJQ
Velcoity Science Laboratories

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on January 31, 2007, 11:16:23 PM
 :-)Great choice on the frame components---RED for RACE :-D
Title: Rosso il tempero
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 05, 2007, 05:55:16 AM
the red was oxide primer and it has quickly been buried in equipment yellow.....we're hard at it , but we don't seem to be getting there.......
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Greyboy on February 05, 2007, 08:37:53 AM
 8-) That's what sunglasses are for man!  8-)

Carry on!
Title: Belly Tank progress
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on February 05, 2007, 05:58:08 PM
Yes the feeling is slow motion but progress is being made.

We have been struggling with the canopy for the past few weekends and most of the work is invisible. It is where all the body pieces meet, on a hinge no less, and so adjusting everything to get just right for that correct seamline has been a real process! You think today this bit will be done, but no, you spend all day working on gettiing another bit right for the canopy to be right, and although a step closer you don't feel like it.

But it is all tightening up and when done we wont know what hit us. It will be a closed body for the first time soon, and the jobs, though many will be small ones.

Brake and clutch lines have been put in, the dash piece made, petrol out put in, hubs put back on, seat smoothed... I write this list primarily to make Dr Go and myself feel better...

My hands are swollen and covered in cuts. It is a good feeling. It is still doable for this year.

Reverend Hedgash

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: JackD on February 05, 2007, 06:41:00 PM
Get a box of cheap deal examination gloves and save your hands for important stuff.
You know the cuts won't heal otherwise and taking a cut on the hand to the salt will make you grumpy.
What better accessory to get a firm grip on a beverage also. :wink:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on February 08, 2007, 11:52:58 PM
KEEP going guys---I am glad you are planning on doing it this year----------firing on the salt---grate  fun
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on February 18, 2007, 10:33:54 PM
Good Safety Tip:

When its over 100 degrees F and you are only wearing shorts and a T-shirt in a tin shed sweating profusely... do NOT do a goodly amount of sand blasting unless you want to look and feel like a sand castle.


Canopy clips in, engine with ported heads in, loom attached (mostly), canopy latch established, steering wheel with home made quick release made, battery located, final piece of body work welded on, photos coming.

rev H+
winner Mont st Michelle lookalike contest
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: JackD on February 18, 2007, 10:54:29 PM
You need one of my room fans with the drip feeder from the melt off at the bottom of a chilly bin.
Your problem with that is I won't give it to you and you will have to make your own from stuff you likely already have.. :wink:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Sumner on February 18, 2007, 10:56:24 PM
Good Safety Tip:

When its over 100 degrees F and you are only wearing shorts and a T-shirt in a tin shed sweating profusely... do NOT do a goodly amount of sand blasting unless you want to look and feel like a sand castle.


Canopy clips in, engine with ported heads in, loom attached (mostly), canopy latch established, steering wheel with home made quick release made, battery located, final piece of body work welded on, photos coming.

rev H+
winner Mont st Michelle lookalike contest

Good progress!!! Wish I was there to see it run.  Good luck and have fun and leave the "no cloths" to "animal"  :evil:.

c ya,

Sum
Title: these things are sent to try us
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 02, 2007, 11:55:04 PM
.........mixed emotions about the cancellation , we spent a lot of dough to get stuff sorted in time , it meant we did it rather than sit around waiting till we could "afford it "......a lot of that stuff will now be junked in favour of the best solution( hey ,it's all a compromise)and we will move on .

One of the more trying aspects is that we will have had the " sponsor motor" ( read; brand new fly by wire electronic vari-cam )sitting around for eighteen months by next year , we want to run it stock because it's "cutting edge " and would be just like the one in the road cars........all the work we've put into the earlier V6's we have may be in vain now .That's the difficult thing about doing this downunder , one shot a year.I've complained enough.

Calls are starting to come in from those on the road ,on their way back. The Rev' said about one of our mates who runs an RX7 and turned back last year when he heard there was water on the track and then didn't hear that it WAS going ahead until way too late that it would be hard to imagine the way he feels , he then said , " I don't think there'd be any swearing or breaking things but I think the card house inside him just fell down"..........anyone for cribbage??
Title: Belly Tank Photos
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on March 06, 2007, 02:49:58 AM
There is an element of the Odd Couple in this racing team where I can be the Felix Unger of angle grinding to Dr G's Klugmann just grabbing it and chopping it in half.

When it comes to tidiness the roles are relatively reversed.

Heat, small shed, running out of time, not enough money and power tools. 

It all could have ended up on as a horror movie on the 6 thirty news. But no. We survived the difference in personalities (there were some who feared the worst) and through it all, with guts and determination completed the car!!!!* It's a damn pity that the lake was not up to the task.

The canopy was a major and tricky task and it took forever. We are mighty proud of it though and works a treat. The handle is from an HQ holden.

The engine was put in and Colonel Grump successfully reloomed the thing. It started but had petrol pump problems which lead to a last minute purchase of another pump. Still to be fully sorted. Photo is of a Dr Goggles with fingers crossed on the first starting.

Rev. H+

(*well, enough to take to the salt for a shake down...)
Title: Photos 2
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on March 06, 2007, 02:55:49 AM
We did the one of the fastest bog and paint jobs on the planet. 2 hours from bow to wow!.

We based the side window on the old chopped coupes. Gives a good expression to the car and is great for vision for turning in the pits. It feels more like a Citroen DS "cathedral of Glass" inside than a lakester.

rH+
Title: Photos 3
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on March 06, 2007, 03:01:57 AM
We are very happy with the lines of the car now clearly roughed out. We now can spend the year improving how things go together, correcting details, maker more faster, more safer, more beautiful.

And build a trailer. and fix up the truck. Sheesh I've got a list so long here in my hand that there aren't enough weekends to next year's race already!!!

The chap with the beard in the shot is Vaughn. A local who accidentally visited one day and has been helping ever since. Very handy on the tools. Thanks Vaughn!

Under the pump already, Reverend H+

Title: Quick change steering
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on March 06, 2007, 03:14:48 AM
Dr G and I spent a great design twenty minutes thinking, "hmmmmm. How can we do a quick release steering hub on the cheap with the stuff we've got and still work well?"

Different ideas came and went, each better than the other until we hit it. Telescoping steel square angle with a spring loaded pull clip on a chain.

The ideas also went from complex to simple and now you look at it and go, "of course! That's easy!"

We like to think that the whole car seems to have this quality. From its driving seat made of wheel arches, to its $20 shifter from a 4 speed drive gemini.

We do get that reaction from visitors... initially. Then they start looking at the thing and they go kind of quiet. For everywhere you look it is this weird effort. Everywhere. It has been a long three and a half years.

Rev. H+
Title: Thank you to our sponsor
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on March 06, 2007, 03:30:55 AM
Over the past three years people have been great in coming forward to assist in many ways who just say, "I like the sound of your project, we would love to help."

One such person is Graham from ColdFire Australia (http://www.coldfireaustralia.com.au/) who from the onset of our approach two years ago was extremely positive in providing information and said he would help us with the fire system simply because he liked the project (he is an ex stockcar racer which doesn't hurt!).

Last week he was more than true to his word when he came to visit us and help with the installation of the ColdFire fire suppression system. He is the only licensed dealer in Australia for this product and we are most grateful to him and his generosity in not only supplying our system, but fire extinguishers for the crew and clear Motormax radiator coolant for the water tank. Wow.

The stuff is non toxic, and environmentally sound for use on the salt (clear).

I don't believe in forums being product sales sites but feel compelled!

thanks Graham,

Reverend Hedgash
Jarman Stewart Racing
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: t russell on March 06, 2007, 05:32:04 AM
damn nice ride.I have been following your build. Hope the weather is on your side next year
terry
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: JackD on March 06, 2007, 06:33:11 AM
On behalf of everybody that is working to make that kind of a dream happen, THANK YOU.
Many people will express all kinds of feelings about not being able to go this year, but as far as I am concerned you have arrived. :wink:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Sumner on March 06, 2007, 09:20:35 AM
Great work guys  :-) and you should be very proud of yourselves.

So sorry about the weather deal this year  :cry:,  but like you said you still have lots you want to do and next year will be here soon.  I see no way I can be ready this year either if I'm realistic, but I'm not discouraged as I'll make it to the salt with a car of my own someday.  You guys have been an inspiration, thanks,

Sum
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on March 06, 2007, 06:38:33 PM
 :-o

Guys---way to GO---that Thing just looks so "BITCHIN"  your expressions an body language
 just says it ALL!!!!!  congratulations!!!!!!!!!---hell you guys may inspire me to build another car!~~~~~~~
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: John Nimphius on March 07, 2007, 01:25:34 AM
Your dedication and perseverance should be an inspiration to those of us that are making excuses for why we don't get it done. Thanks!

John N
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 08, 2007, 03:48:48 AM
Thanks all for the kind words , It means a lot , a real lot.The Rev and I have spent a fair bit of time on this forum over the last few years and we have learnt a great deal from it as well as been entertained .What we have learnt from watching discussion and offering up our ideas for debate has influenced the design of our car ( if it doesn't go fast it's all your fault!!! :-D) and for that we owe a thank you to Jon for running the site ,and the interest and time of all the regular and experienced contributors who have been an inspiration as well as valuable help with build issues .

It'll get better. :wink:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: dwarner on March 08, 2007, 09:03:57 AM
The go fast part is NOT our fault.

Les Leggitt has said in the past ..."I can give you parameters to build your race car, I can't legislate your tuneup."

DW
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Drewfus on March 08, 2007, 08:52:58 PM
Great to see the progress, even if the frustration is getting to you, your enthusiasm is inspiring.

The next 12 months will allow you to tidy house, fine tune, and make the experience more pleasurable....simple details, but important.

Heads up guys,

Drewfus
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: stimie on March 19, 2007, 02:47:59 PM
i am planing on building a tanker i am using a fiberglass p38 body what i would like to know is how did you build your frame any help you can give i would be gratefull thanks mark 
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: PJQ on March 19, 2007, 11:00:08 PM
Had the privilege of squeezing into the tank the other day to make some vrrm-vrrm noises.
With the canopy closed it feels fast just sitting on stands in the shed. Kinda stirs the blood...
Not many cars do that any more - so old - reckon it's the sign of a top class build (the car, not me).

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 24, 2007, 06:30:17 PM
i am planing on building a tanker i am using a fiberglass p38 body what i would like to know is how did you build your frame any help you can give i would be gratefull thanks mark  

The design was done on a 3d cad program ,  we wanted to keep the Canberra tank in it's original dimensions so the job was to make the frame as "big" as possible in order to give us as much room as poss'.....Even so there were a lot of "on the ground" changes once we started building it. All the advice we got from other owner builders was make it heavy , use heavy plate , heavy pipe and certainly don't pay for anything that is expensive because it is lightweight :roll: Wayne Mumford ( the Mumford and Mack "Wazavudu) used large discs of cardboard in order to "size" the longitudinal members .We built a 1;1 dummy out of 1 inch steel tube , we built another from cardboard tube that you get from fabric rolls( find a bunch of them they're very handy).....don't go out and buy any notching machines as a cut off saw and various hand tools will do ....another handy thing I've borrowed is a hand held sandblaster (excellent for wrecking engines ,  :oops:) which will make sure your welds are good.

If I was you I'd track down as many P38 belly-tankers as you can, take photos and underneath each one I'd write what the owner would do differently if they had their time again.....there-in may be your design ......oh yeah and start saving money and living like a monk.PM me for more stuff if you'd like :wink:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Harold Bettes on March 24, 2007, 11:45:01 PM
Hi Guys,

I have been very distracted from posting lately, but wanted to say to you that you have done an outstanding job and appreciate that you have shared it with all of us. :wink:

Sorry that the great salt was not available for you this time around, but you will be super prepared next one. :-)

BTW - Thanx for your contributions in other arenas as well. 8-)

Regards from the high country in the USA,
HB2
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on March 26, 2007, 12:07:17 AM
Stimie,

as Dr.G said it was a lot of mock ups that got us to where we are.

I am pretty good at thinking in 3D but the shape of the belly tank really is a trick. No matter which way you draw it there is always some plane disappearing in a way that is hard to conceptualise.

Having a 3d CAD model certainly helped but at the end of the day it was as every other car builder has done, placing pieces in roughly the right position and sitting in it with your helmet on and making engine noises.

We made a 1:10 model with a vac formed shell which we could quickly chop change and reweld some rod steel to sort out a cage that was reasonably efficient. This like the Cad model helped try out some options prior to commiting to big stuff but it was hard to get your head around the scale of the thing.

The cardboard and rough 1" steel 1:1 phase was probably the most educational. You could get in it. We could place the bits we had on it in roughly the right position. We painted the outline of the tank on the floor. Most importantly we wanted it to comply with the safety rules and maximise our driver space and engine space at the same time.

Below are some photos of it in this stage. One side is a bit different from the other. As this was always going to be a throwaway thing, we could jump in and try differet ideas. Just chop and weld / tape without worrying about strength etc. A quick and ultimately time saving way to do it, although we did get frustrated with the lack of progress at actually building the real thing, it has paid off in spades at the end.

With that said, as Go said, the design of these things is a living process. It grows and changes as you build. Sure there a few elements like an appendix in the car that were designed and built for a previous idea and now been superceded... if we were building another one we would be so much faster and different again.

That is what we are looking at this year, now that it is complete, looking at it and asking how can we do this or that better.

That is indeed the question to ask other builders. We are only happy for you to go one better and not make the same mistakes that we did.

The advantage you have Stimie is all the other cool tanks already built on your P-38. We are the first to build on a Canberra Bomber (please correct me if I'm wrong and send photos immediately!) and we didn't want to cut it up unduly. This meant working blind for a long time as we didn't have a top and bottom shell to build in. In hindsight we should have made a quick fibreglass copy which we could have used as a guide. You have this option as I presume your tank is divided down the middle already? (Is it from the Kelly heritage?)

Not having a real world test up our sleeves hurts this process and so we can only comment on our build process at present.

Thanks all for your comments. Latest development is we have just bought the bits for a trailer. We are going to build an enclosed unit with some ramps that the car can sit on so we can work on it at a reasonable height at the salt.

(Editor: we have started a thread on the trailer and all things trailer elsewhere in the build diaries section).

Rev.H+
Title: construction photo
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on March 26, 2007, 12:08:40 AM
Rear photo.

This is when we were thinking of using the Buick V6 and motorcycle tyres at the front.

We also had a bigger garage then and a flat floor... memories!
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on March 30, 2007, 10:59:35 PM
And when you were on me and Headgash's side of town
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on May 12, 2007, 04:27:25 AM
You talkin' to me ? :-D Hey Grumm , Clever Clogs( "I'm pretty good at thinking in 3D"  ) is off to Erop or is it You-rop? to be feted and backslapped for a couple of weeks and I'm well tired of working on mass produced crap, like today I did a metal finish welding job on a low-rider ute ( yeah bless you Henry) and scratch allergic new bikes so I reckon you and me get busy on the thing because I feel my appetite returning even if the finances are still a little tender .How about it??

Two people saw the tank for the first time in the last week or so , it re-instates your faith in what you're doing ....and to be honest the faith has been a little strained of late :?

The race meet cancellation reminded me of the Gram Parsons song " Thousand Dollar Wedding"    :( ......well , we're making a new cake and this time we're gonna get to eat it
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on July 01, 2007, 10:41:01 PM
It finally Runs

The good Doctor got it to start this morning

G

Title: You know , he's right
Post by: Dr Goggles on July 01, 2007, 11:23:42 PM
Yes , don't want to sound like we're completely STOOPID or anything but there has been lingering issue with the motor in the 'tank.......it hasn't run properly .What with Speedweek being cancelled this year and the ridiculous amount of effort that we put in to get the car finished we kind of ran out of steam. It was lucky  we didn't get to the lake really 'cause there were a bunch of things that would have been difficult or impossible to diagnose and fix while we were there . It's been hard to get motivated to re-start on the whole thing but steadily we've been building up steam. Last week we narrowed the engine problem down to the injectors not pulsing properly......last night the Colonel (Grumm 441) traced the problem to a broken solder join hidden in the loom.....I was off playing music while the other two ( he and the Reverend) tinkered and emptied my liquor cabinet......I returned home to find a note on the kitchen table " put fuel in it , it should run"..........so........I put fuel in it .........flicked the switches ........pressed the starter and it roared , and I mean roared into life.......so for the first time this morning I sat in the drivers seat started it and stepped on the throttle , it sounds like all hell breaking loose , yeah I know it's a V6 but it sounds savage , really savage...........I don't think I'm gonna stop grinning for a week.....
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: JackD on July 01, 2007, 11:48:55 PM
You need to play that same song again right away while your Buds still suffer from the after effects of the refreshment you made available and they hear the best.
Even just the smell might help them to clear their systems at both ends. :wink:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on July 02, 2007, 12:06:12 AM
ha ha , don't worry Jack I've been out there every five minutes cranking it over and getting the local dogs barking just to make sure I wasn't dreaming , I just put the full exhaust on it , tamer , more refined but still LOUD......I'm as happy as a pig in a pile of S*** :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Sumner on July 02, 2007, 12:08:55 AM
..............I'm as happy as a pig in a pile of S*** :-D

Hey I think I am too for you guys  :-D  :-D  :-D ,

Sum
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: JackD on July 02, 2007, 01:06:57 AM
A pig pile might not be my first choice, I think it might be more of a sailing moment, but I am pleased none the less. :-)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on July 02, 2007, 01:25:55 AM
oh no 'ere we go.
 
Jack's "going about" "jibing" me on my choice of words...well the motor is out of a Commodore no less , I think he's getting " tacky"...a little "close to the wind" as it were...I think I'd rudder be in a pile than sipping Pims on the poop... :-D :-o :-D :wink:


As you were men......
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: JackD on July 02, 2007, 01:35:22 AM
It ain't right the Americas Cup went down under, and we are prepared and armed for it's rightful place back in San Diego.
The restoration of our title as the "Sailing Center of the World" is only a matter of time now.
I don't want too talk about it ! :wink: 
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on July 02, 2007, 02:20:44 AM
It ain't right the Americas Cup went down under, and we are prepared and armed for it's rightful place back in San Diego.
The restoration of our title as the "Sailing Center of the World" is only a matter of time now.
I don't want too talk about it ! :wink: 

..we haven't got your Auld Mug anymore the Kiwis have..... we didn't have it for very long at all, in fact we're about as likely as getting that thing back as Dennis Connor is of staying away from the solarium :-D :-D :-D :-D :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: JackD on July 02, 2007, 02:39:51 AM
The winged cat that tested against the sail version was sold but the slower one that sent Sir Fay packing can be booked for rides.
You guys down there are all the same !
I don't want to talk about it !  LOL :wink:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on July 02, 2007, 03:56:05 AM
Jack, a mate of mine, Mark Fogarty is the Aussie Journalist that dared to ask Dennis Conner at the penultimate news conference the question, "So what's it like to be the first U.S. captain in the history of the Cup to be one race away from losing it."

Apparently his Australianess wasn't appreciated either in that room.

(Incidentally, I think he was also the last person to interview Ayrton Senna too...)

I remember the day well, our Prime Minister Bob Hawke wearing this incredibly loud jacket was on TV and said, "Any boss who sacks anyone for not turning up today is a bum."

Just hoping you guys get good enough at soccer too so that one day we can beat you at that too...



Back on topic, yes engine running. Very good. We designed and cut out the preliminary pieces for the aluminium petrol tank too. This will allow room for the parachute, protect it from heat from the exhaust pipe, and looks much better.

FSB

Reverend H+



Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: JackD on July 02, 2007, 05:49:39 AM
"A good effort is measured by the continued interest over the lifespan of the project.
The best effort is one that brings friends together beyond their life span that is surely extended." (me)   :wink:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Peter Jack on July 02, 2007, 09:55:36 AM
Goggles:

I like your new avatar.

Jack:

Your going to have a tough time ever topping that last statement!

Pete
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on July 07, 2007, 07:04:43 PM
......yesterday we got organised so we can keep the car running in the shed without dying from fumes or a neighbor jumping the fence and hacking us to death with an axe .We put an extension on the exhaust to run a pipe right out of the shed , pretty funny......the Reverend cut a very nice hole in the weatherboards so from the kitchen it looks like the shed is idling.We took off the water tank and fitted up a radiator with a fan  because with the water tank on it's difficult to see or do anything in the engine bay .Then I put on an air cleaner because when you have a less than surgically clean environment  like my shed ingestion of foreign matter is more likely than not.....So for the first time we ran it up to operating temp. no problems . Also for the first time we went through the gears with it on the stands .For reasons that don't bear explaining I wasn't sure which way the shift went until yesterday...it works in a cross pattern , you know, like a cross ,not an "H" . Well I was hoping that left/right was first/second...and forward/back was third/fourth...well, no..and due to a peculiarity in the linkages it's not as simple as just swapping them over....I'm glad I've forgotten exactly how long I spent building that bit because it won't be quite as frustrating REbuilding it . :cry:

Today is the six-monthly club meeting .....usually there is much discussion about "amenities"and the like but it's a good chance to have a catch up with other fellow sufferers in the Salt Lake Victims Support Group . :wink:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on July 08, 2007, 12:06:11 PM
"For reasons that don't bear explaining I wasn't sure which way the shift went until yesterday...it works in a cross pattern , you know, like a cross ,not an "H" ."

It's simple -- you're on the other side of the equator and international date line from us, so the shift pattern is of course farkled-up.

That was simple.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: 1212FBGS on July 08, 2007, 02:31:02 PM
slim
what the heck are you talkin' about... don't ya know were talkin' about sailing here and jack is tryin' to talk tha ausi's out of a beer mug they don't even have.... jeeeesh pay attention...
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: revolutionary on July 08, 2007, 10:54:08 PM
I'm a relative newbie to the LSR Tao of car building but I just spent the last hour reading the ongoing saga of your car and have to say I'm duly impressed with your commitment and fortitude.  Guess I'm just used to the drag racing world of GOT-TO-GET-IT-DONE-TONIGHT-SO-I-CAN-RACE-TOMORROW mentality. 

Looks like you're not far away from tying up the loose ends and hitting the salt rolling - assuming there is no 'R' word at Speedweek '08.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on July 08, 2007, 11:16:15 PM
Thanks Reverend Lutionary.

I admire your commitment and fortitude to read the whole saga thus far, it sure could do with an edit.

Thanks for your comments.

The DLRA club meeting went well yesterday with someone confessing that they are on the verge of buying a rolling Belly Tank project with a view to getting it up to speed. Top news, looks like there will definitely be a few Belly Tanks next year.

We also talked about running two tracks which will be great if we can it sorted out... for next year. Rod Hadfield and others will be checking out Bonneville this year to get the skinny on how to improve our tin pot affair. All good.

I have to say that I am really enjoying the fabrication side of the tank now. We have passed that hump where all you can see is what it is missing. Now we can just improve, and the simple act of making an aluminium cover to protect the sparkplug leads from the fan of the alternator is extreme satisfaction.

I am just itching to get back into the shed and improve something else...

Reverend H+







Title: Don't mention the R word.
Post by: Dr Goggles on July 08, 2007, 11:57:17 PM
Thanks Revolutionary , it's been an odyssey I can tell you.....neither of us have Auto or engineering businesses , or dependents ( if that makes any sense ) so it's all been out of work hours and we spent every spare cent we had while we were at it .As I've said before the Reverend and I are the kind of blokes who "think" we can do anything and are way too stubborn to concede defeat ...they have been valuable "traits"....if not for them we would have given up .We spent a stupid amount of money and not a single person who sees what we've built says anything  other than "where did all that go?"Anyone who's raced anything and more particularly built a race vehicle knows nothing is cheap but when there's no blueprint for what you're doing and you set some parameters that make it unique , you're really in for it B$G time!!

We haven't been motivated by an urge to beat anyone , there's no-one else in our class(E/GL) here , just a strange fascination with tanks , we still think they are the coolest looking things ever made with four wheels and we wanted to make one ourselves . When we went to the salt for the first time  it sealed the deal...the type of people it attracts are the same both here and there from what I can gather .Inventive . independent people with a drive to achieve something that not too many people "get".....my sign off on our club message board is " Few understand what I'm trying to do but they vastly outnumber those who understand why"

It's been a great experience , just building it .....racing it is going to be a whole new trip again ......lots of gradual steps ...heaps and heaps of learning and arguing over the detail and science of what we're trying to do ....some disappointments , some fights :oops: , lots of people staring at it and shaking their heads , others with their eyes glazed over wondering when I'm just going to " shut up about that BLOODY CAR"......I've loved every minute of it.

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It's simple -- you're on the other side of the equator and international date line from us, so the shift pattern is of course farkled-up.

....well ,Mils Nees Modles , I did make one concession in order to get it right the shift is on the RHS of the driver which is a blinkin' travesty!!!

........good point Kent , we need to get back on topic and talk about, :-D :wink: er , sailing....

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: bones on July 09, 2007, 10:13:41 PM
NICE work Doc&Rev.
Now it's running right you can take it for a quick spin round the block(does it have enough steering lock?)
Ev & I go to Heathcoate for the drags, I would like to have a look if we down that way.
cheers Bones
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on July 10, 2007, 02:09:57 AM
Thanks Bones,

Yep good idea. I think Heathcote would be the perfect place to check some stuff out. Be a month or two yet but we'll definitley let you know when we go.

rH+
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: whitworthsocket on July 11, 2007, 10:58:09 AM
Hello Doc & Rev,
Like your work Quite a few posts ago you mentioned a 3d Cad package. Can you name the product and state the pro's and con's?
I'm using AutoCAD and I can work very well in 2D. But 3D looks a learning curve I don't have the time for.
Regards Whitworthsocket.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on July 11, 2007, 07:18:54 PM
Hello Doc & Rev,
Like your work Quite a few posts ago you mentioned a 3d Cad package. Can you name the product and state the pro's and con's?
I'm using AutoCAD and I can work very well in 2D. But 3D looks a learning curve I don't have the time for.
Regards Whitworthsocket.

hmmmmmm ,I see a fruitful and possibly fruity relationship here ....a guy who calls himself Whitworthsocket and another one who wants to buy a Morris Minor panel-van...talkin' 3D ....

Watching the Reverend work in 3D has been a thing to behold Whitworth' , at one point I said to him, long before we laid the first weld..."it'd be great to know what we'll be able to see from the drivers seat ...if we can see the tops of the front tyres..." , "hang on a moment " he said....and promptly put the view point in the top of the drivers compartment like , you know , where your head would be and hey presto!!! there it was.........when we first laid the body panels onto the frame I was shaking my head saying incredulously " it looks just like the drawings"......the Reverend was looking at me a little offended " um , what did you expect it to look like"? :roll:

All that said it seems that looking back one of the most critical points in this whole process is the when you're sitting on a table with a helmet on going brmm, brmm with the other guy measuring around you ,in the long design process that follows this seemingly embarrassing part figures get rounded and little errors get compounded and the danger is that that the all important bit about the driver fitting in gets a little forgotten about .When you are trying to fit a lot into a little space room tends to disappear rather than seemingly come from no-where .I'm sure in the future we'll manage to wring some room out of it but right now it's tight all over .It seemed despite the amount of time that went into drafting that it still acted more as back-up than the last word because at every turn we discovered conflicts of space or measurement that required on the spot changes , then back to the CAD to reassess and redesign.The old addage "measure twice , cut once" is sound indeed , when building a tank i'd consider measuring twenty times and still expecting to cut twice..........................before you chuck the part out and make a better one. :wink:
Title: 3D programs
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on July 11, 2007, 08:26:10 PM
Hello Mr Socket.

AutoCad itself has a quite a good 3D package these days and given that is a program that you already are aware of, I'd recommend exploring that feature of it first.

The help files in it give fairly good synopsis of how to build objects, shade them and print them. Else there are a lot of free tutorials on the web.

If it is cool renders that you want you can then export these drawings to any one of a number of 3D drawing Rendering packages to develop them into a decent picture, for example 3DStudioMax (3DMax), Rhino, and Maya.

I typically draw elements of the car in AutoCad then import them into 3DMax

3DSMax  is a program with all the bells and whistles, although this makes it harder to master in the long run than some of the simpler rendering packages out there it really produces good results and has a huge following and therefore support on the web. You can complete generate the 3d elements in the program, colour them, add lighting, even animate them into movies.

A quick search for some car specific tutorials for 3DMax brought up the following examples:

http://www.carbodydesign.com/tutorials/software-tutorials.php?app=3DStudio%20MAX
http://www.danielbuck.net/index.php?page=tutorials
http://www.3d-palace.com/tmas/video.php?vid=58

It does take time, this is no quick fix to get super results, but you should be able to get something serviceable in reasonable time.

As Dr Goggles mentioned, one of the best aspects of the tool is the ability to move a viewpoint around the object that you are looking at so you can really get a feel for its shape. This is so handy when blocking out a car where you can quickly alter wheelbase, colour, shape, etc.

I must mention that I have an industry bias to these programs as I am a puppet animator and architect by trade and so these are the design tools I use regularly.

Other programs from different fields that you might be looking at would include something like SolidWorks which is from the engineering direction and can help set up all the CadCam tooling for you for the parts you wish to manufacture.

What do you want the program for? Pretty pictures or to work stuff out, or to actually build it with?

Hope this has been of help.

rH+
speed deacon

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: whitworthsocket on July 12, 2007, 01:02:12 PM
Thanks for the info, I will be  using the software to design and build the machine and the wind tunnel.
I have Rhino but again the learning curve/time is all time spent away from fabrication.
Regards Whitworthsocket
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on July 12, 2007, 07:58:25 PM
Building a virtual wind tunnel hey?

I have read a bit about the growing ability of software to predict real world conditions for aero design. Would love to hear and learn more if you are into it. Maybe we could set up a new topic for it?

rH+
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: whitworthsocket on July 16, 2007, 12:32:11 PM
Steady On, Im talking about a real wind tunnel.
My only experience of a virtual tunnel is reading the JCB Dieselmax site

http://www.jcbdieselmax.com/html/car.php?PHPSESSID=dfbda02db0fbb0e9fa168c4dd8224347

http://www.jcbdieselmax.com/html/car.php?subsection=3


I quote directly from there.
A record-breaker's body shape not only needs to be highly aerodynamically efficient but the underside of the vehicle is also of critical importance, because the air flowing under the car accounts for about a half of the total aerodynamic drag.

Ron Ayers believes that the interaction between tyre and salt can significantly affect the aerodynamic efficiency; the effect of salt and debris thrown up by the cars passage slows the car down. To minimise this drag he has very carefully shaped not just the spats around the lower section of the wheels, but also the flow of air through the choke points between the wheels. Spray beneath the front of the car is deflected out by the sides of it behind the front wheels, to ensure that the rear wheels and tyres run on as clean a surface as possible.

All of the aerodynamics study was done using computational fluid dynamics, not in a wind tunnel, for two reasons.
JCB DIESELMAX JCB DIESELMAX

"Even at the speeds we envisage, Ayers explained, compressibility effects are beginning to become significant. Indeed, in the region near the wheel/ground contact points the local airflow actually goes supersonic! We could not simulate such effects in a low-speed wind tunnel with a rolling road.

The second reason is one of scale. To fit our long slender vehicle into a tunnel with a rolling road would mean restricting ourselves to a model scale of about one sixth and the errors would have been too great.

The main changes as the shape evolved were to lengthen the nose and round it off, to lengthen the tail and minimise the frontal area. At every stage Ayers had to achieve the optimal balance between aerodynamic drag, skin drag (the larger the surface area the higher the skin drag) and downforce. If the car is envisaged as an arrow or a dart, it is the tail fin that acts as the flights to maintain stability at maximum speed."

Regards Whitworthsocket.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: whitworthsocket on July 16, 2007, 12:40:00 PM
To all interested,
Here is the results of my wind tunnel research. There are many references to the wright brothers windtunnel I have not included them.


http://www.geversaircraft.com/wt/wtsmall.htm

http://mae.uccs.edu/jroney/SpaceGrant/WTReport.pdf

http://archives.caltech.edu/search_catalog.cfm?results_file=Detail_View&recsPerPage=1&firstRecToShow=36&search_field=Wind%20tunnels&entry_type=&photo_id=&cat_series=

http://www.speedace.info/wind_tunnel.htm          http://www.speedace.info/pitot_tube.htm

http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/K-12/WindTunnel/wandering_windtunnel.htm

http://www.ezcomm.com/Windtunnel/index.html

http://www.windtunnels.arc.nasa.gov/pics/9x7/9x7dimPlan.html

http://www.theplanpage.com/Months/2306/tunnel_files/tunnel.pdf

http://www.galcit.caltech.edu/awt/index.html       http://www.galcit.caltech.edu/awt/tenfoot/wirerig1.jpg

http://lisar.larc.nasa.gov/IMAGES/SMALL/EL-1999-00415.jpeg

http://www.nlr.nl/documents/flyers/f137-02.pdf

http://www.lboro.ac.uk/departments/tt/research/aerodynamics/wind-tunnel/tunnel.html

http://connect.larc.nasa.gov/connect_bak/pdf/measure.tools.guides.pdf

This is what I have come up with I like the Gevers aircraft for a straight through.
I am still not sure if I have room for one of those So it may be a bigger version of the
Speedace.

If any one has any more I would appreciate the links.
Regards Whitworthsocket
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: whitworthsocket on July 16, 2007, 02:50:39 PM
Reverend Gash and other wind tunnellers,
I happened on this after I had posted the first info about JCB Dieselmax

http://www.autobloggreen.com/2006/09/14/aerodynamic-jcb-dieselmax-broke-land-speed-record-without-wind-t/

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A few weeks ago, the JCB Dieselmax broke the world land-speed record for a diesel-powered car. For good reason, the posts we wrote on the subject (see below) were quite popular, so I know there's going to be at least some interest in the technical news that the Dieselmax was built using Ansys Technology. Ansys has been making simulation software since 1970, and the Dieselmax's aerodynamic style was designed using the company's Fluent computational fluid dynamics (CFD) software package without any additional wind tunnel testing. One reason was that the Dieselmax is too long for traditional wind tunnels. From a green perspective, using a computer instead of a wind tunnel seems like a good way to save energy, and the results sure speak for themselves."

I also had a look at
http://www.ansys.com/products/cfx.asp

There may be enough to start a new thread as the Rev suggested.
Regards Whitworthsocket


Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on July 16, 2007, 07:48:34 PM
So you are going to build a wind tunnel...

Wow. Um... we have a 1:5 scale model of our car, any chance of sticking it in one day?

rH+
Title: Meanwhile , back on earth.
Post by: Dr Goggles on July 16, 2007, 09:02:04 PM
On the weekend we continued on . The Rev' got busy building a bulkhead to isolate the engine section from the tail section...me? I got started on the gearshift...the more I thought about it the less inspired I felt so in the end I just held the selector shafts ( 3/4' round tube)together , drew a line across them and cut 'em , then welded them back in the reverse order , that worked .However while fooling around with it without the support gantry attached I glanced back at them and the rear shift seemed to have a lot , read LOT of slop...then it fell off....it was broken off right at the gearbox where normally there is just a tag with a nut holding it on. This I might add is a unique size, yes it looks like 3/8 unf but if you tighten one of those on it it's gone ...I think they're 11/32 , great!....Our contraption has a piece of square tube welded over this tag to extend it out about eight inches so the cables can meet it at right angles.Earlier in the day I mentioned to the Rev that sometimes I look at things we've made and struggle to remember actually doing them , because we were just so busy with it ....I was a bit puzzled as to how this piece got broken( stretched not sheared or bent) when the only force on it is the nut ( inside the tube , tightened with a long extension)that holds the selector tag to it .After a few days I think I now remember the specific moment when I tightened that nut :oops:....It's one thing to make something that works ................................................... it's another to make it strong enough to resist an ape swinging on it. :wink:

Right now I'm looking at getting a piece machined up , out of something hard with a usuable thread on it........on we go.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: whitworthsocket on July 24, 2007, 08:51:05 AM
I'm sure we can accommodate you at the right price!
I will keep you posted.
Regards Whitworthsocket

So you are going to build a wind tunnel...

Wow. Um... we have a 1:5 scale model of our car, any chance of sticking it in one day?

rH+
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on August 18, 2007, 07:39:25 PM
Got the gearbox selector drama sorted , built the double throttle body manifold with a bit of an extension to the plenum and have nearly finished the fuel tank.Put a cross piece over the tank outlet to defeat vortexes and a baffle to calm to return flow it looks pretty good but it turns out the carefully calculated extension to the filler neck is too long .......We're using the original filler from the Canberra tank which is a big brass screw in job about 3 inches across as the access in the body and then we have a 1inch screw-on weldable alloy filler in the actual tank

Colonel Grumm has assumed the job of making the progressive throttle body linkages much to my relief ....I'd stared at them for long enough and the administrator was tiring of them sitting on the kitchen table....


Had to replace some power tools this week and stock up on some expendables so it hasn't been cheap but onward we go......
Title: round and round the mulberry bush
Post by: Dr Goggles on September 13, 2007, 09:29:36 PM
Progress , slow , but progress all the same.

As with most of what we have been doing this year we tend to be re-making things we have already made at least once before .Sounds terribly inefficient doesn't it? Well, not having much to compare to and sticking firmly to my doctrine of "I'd rather make one badly myself that does the job than pay for one that doesn't' and the other firmly held belief that it's "more fun making it than working to pay for it " ( I can hear a few saying "Hallelujah Brother" ! there) we are getting closer to a car that we'll feel comfortable standing next to , while people pore over it and say things like " Yeah , 200 mile an hour you reckon? , do you think it's safe?"

It's sort of like packing a car for a holiday , we're trying to cram a lot of stuff in and each time we think we've done well we realize that we've left out the this or the that and it all comes out again and we manage to jam another piece of gear in there and hopefully make things work a little better.

I'd made the brake pedal and master cylinder set-up over a year ago and it had been put in position and been working though I hadn't been really happy with it .In the mean time a few things down at the drivers feet had changed a bit and the job of "just bolting the brake pedal in" got pushed aside.The pedal pivot had been a little sloppy so last week I made a new one which was a tighter fit and was hollow with a grease nipple and a series of holes around it, this was a great improvement .When we started on the job of installing it it didn't seem right , we ain't too proud to change or admit that our previous flashes of genius might have been more delusions of grandeur and so the back yard is the resting place for many pieces that have taken pride of place in the car only to be replaced when good sense or skill of manufacture prevailed.The clutch and throttle pedal are both foot shaped rocker pedals .This allows one to rest on the clutch by pressing toe down or release by pressing heel down , there is very little other room to put your left foot anywhere so a pedestal pedal was out of the question .The rocker throttle pedal means it works push-pull.These two pedals pivot on a piece of 2 inch angle which sits over the tie rods and pitman ( which is a dual eye number from a Kombi)as they run through the nose of the car , you don't want something getting mixed up with them during a run or worse still during an "upset".

The brake pedal arrangement was designed to pivot from the floor which at that point is angling steeply upwards.The problem with that is that the top of the master cylinder was very close to the pitman arm and when I looked at it I couldn't get the pedal far enough away from the driver ( for me , and the Rev struggles even more in the confined space :roll:), not how I wanted it.Each of the versions of this pedal I've made have been done so I could flip the master cylinder in order to pivot from below or above and that's what we decided to do.Fortunately there was enough room next to the steering box, beside the knuckle, under the top frame rail and above the tie rod cover to fit the requisite pieces in. In the end the mount for the cylinder ,the pedal pivot I'd made that week and , um , nothing else remained from what was the "final design" .....the neat looking pedal box was hacked away , a new pedal arm was fabbed and the link position for the push rod was changed .....never say never I say!!!

While this was going on The Rev was busy trying to work out where we would mount the cockpit switch-bay.Now ,no amount of good ideas , experience or sense was gonna change how this went because it had to be where we could reach it with arm straps on, and where it would fit.That turned out to be at shoulder height behind the front hoop .The Rev spent a bit of time mocking up a floor console because one place we have got room is under our knees when strapped in and I figured while sitting in the car that it was probably safer down there and easy to reach , not for the Rev , I trusted his word that he "couldn't see what was going on down there" :lol: :lol: :lol:

Last week we made a bit of progress down the back with the fuel tank , fuel pump , fuel lines and keeping heat away from the above.We made a sandwich out of two sheets of polished Al with a piece of cement sheet between to sit over the rear exhaust collector , the fuel tank sits an inch above this and radiated heat was a great concern here as we are intent on having the exhaust route out the rear of the car rather than running zoomies or side-winders.I made a mounting clamp for the fuel pump out of a piece of 2 inch exhaust tube with a pinch bolt and a bit of angle so it bolts nicely to the rear bulkhead under the fuel tank We had already installed steel lines tightly clipped along the outside of the frame but when we looked at it all we figured that when things got hot in the car we'd have hot fuel too.We have run rubber lines inside fibreglass sleeve with foil braid along the side of the water tank as it is the best combo of avoiding the scatter shield and all the "hot-spots" to be found along the way.

Colonel Grumm got the linkage on the dual throttle body manifold working , nicely too .He said "you're gonna have to weld that up again coz it leaks like crazy"......" how did you work that out " I asked ....."well when I pulled it out of my parts washer there was fluid pissing out everywhere!".............."Oh" :oops: :oops: He also made a neat cable arrangement that will replace the Hillbilly one that a certain Doctor made, hey , it worked!

I'll have a fast net-connection next week so I might even post some photo's...

Be good everyone :wink:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on September 15, 2007, 03:38:54 AM
Ok , I've arrived in the 21st century with a thump , cable internet ......here's some shots of the bellytank .................actually for the moment they're offline
This is a horizontal front on showing the frontal area , taken shortly after we put the car on the ground for the very first time about two years ago
(http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd35/Jarman-Stewart/Tankshotssep014.jpg)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on September 15, 2007, 03:40:00 AM
oh , while I'm here ...more

(http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd35/Jarman-Stewart/Tankshotssep006.jpg)

Dr Strangelove anyone?

(http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd35/Jarman-Stewart/Tankshotssep003.jpg)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on September 15, 2007, 03:44:43 AM
here's a view from the right side before we worked out the manifold , as it appears here it is backwards , the normal orientation would mean that the throttle body wouldn't have cleared the water tank, however this way there is no room for the alternator.....
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/stewshots166.jpg?t=1190025822)
so we chopped the top off it and mounted the throttle body vertically , then we thought "well there is room for two."...
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/stewshots189.jpg?t=1190026212)
so.....
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/P9160260.jpg?t=1189987507)
This is the dual throttle body manifold , we increased the size of the plenum from the single version, we went with simultaneous opening

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/CopyofP8260218.jpg?t=1189987597)
Here we have the rear bulkhead showing the new Al fuel tank , lines and forward of that the water tank

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: JackD on September 15, 2007, 06:58:36 AM
OHOH, I broke it.
I got the narrative just fine and lots of blank space for what I am sure are great pictures. :-(
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: gazza414 on September 15, 2007, 09:21:06 AM
Stewie...you been on the piss tonight...not lookin good pal
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on September 15, 2007, 10:31:59 AM
Ta , Gazza , actually they're there....it has something to do with the link,at various times I've refreshed the page and different variations have appeared ....some photo's one time others the next....F.I.I.K.W....trust me ( or someone else ) I'll get better at this.....

......there second try I've tuned it a bit ....it has something to do with the MSN site ......couldn't do all the shots at once ....I should use a Mexican provider :lol: :lol: :lol:

Ok I've fixed it with photobucket......
Now , once we've sorted this car we've got plenty to go on with.....
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/stewshots036.jpg?t=1189987857)
Title: Ike Andy
Post by: Dr Goggles on September 16, 2007, 10:55:22 PM
Ok , I've mentioned at various times we have another motor..
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/stewshots177.jpg?t=1189996487)

It's a 3.6litre all Aluminium 60 degree V6 quad overhead with vari-cam on both the inlet and exhausts .They are quoted at 195KW which is high 200's in Horsepower at 6500rpm. It has a servo throttle and a split plenum which can change from a dual to single plane, these may well be chucked we're not sure yet.The reason we've stuck with the early 90 degree motor for the time being is that we will need to make a bell-housing  and study up on the computer stuff for this motor before we can use it , It's a pity because straight up it should be fast ( in fact on a recent holiday to NZ we hired the low spec version and I have a speedo shot that....um , not here :wink:), it was a present from the local arm of GM........we couldn't believe their generosity as it came complete , brand new with no strings attached....

Now ,here's me getting the bottom end that we are using in the mean time out of my brothers old car...it had a few miles on it but it came from the country , they'd had it since new and let's just say he drives like an old woman so it was a good get....
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/stewshots229.jpg?t=1189997509)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: simplybebop on October 03, 2007, 01:02:48 AM
how much are you expecting to weight when its all said and done minus driver?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on October 03, 2007, 03:05:09 AM
how much are you expecting to weight when its all said and done minus driver?

It's only a guess but at the moment I'd be surprised if it's over 2500llbs .We've been trying to make it heavy on the advice of others who've built here , shouldn't be too long before we can weigh it..............why you ask huh?

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: simplybebop on October 03, 2007, 04:04:16 PM
i just bought a f15 600 gallon tank that im designing the chassis for now, just wondering the weight of yours so i can get a general idea.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on October 03, 2007, 06:03:56 PM
Hi Bebop
Our car was built solely with the salt in mind there being no Maxton type event here so traction rather than power to weight was what we were concentrating on.John lynch who runs a P38 "style" KB powered Fuel lakester ( that ran Bonneville on the 50th anniversary)that's done 301 and John Broughan who with his brother Paul has an F class 'tank that has run 211 both said make it heavy because when you're finished and you need ballast , you mightn't be able to fit it anywhere. That may not be applicable to you. Our car has very little space in it as we wanted to keep the tank in it's original dimensions.

What type of chassis are you designing? I sense you are going for a trad type ...one thing we found was that the space frame has allowed us flexibilty by allowing it to be non-symmetrical if required (....WTF???)...as you may have noticed there has been a lot of chopping and changing in our build and the cramming in of gear means that at times we've needed to "make" space that we didn't have ..mostly this has been at the front where the design of the superstructure has finally settled after going through quite a few changes in order to accommodate everything and make it useable.

In another conversation I had with John Lynch he looked at a draft of our car in profile view and said " no suspension hey? , you know there's arguments for both" ( his car is sprint car based and has torsion bars) I said "yeah well one thing we've realized in this John is we can't take too many people's advice seriously" ( too much conflicting advice!!!!!!!!) to which John laughed and shook his head , laughed again and said " you're on you're F#@$#%^$N' own aren't ya ! ....no-one realizes.....everyone wants to tell you what they think ya should do but in the end all of these things , bar very few , are completely different and you've just gotta build it yourself"

That's the nut of it Bebop , unless you are copying a very established design such as a P38 you will be designing every single part and it will be a series of compromises between available space , time ,money ........and how cool you want it to look. Spend your time learning the important aspects of the game that makes LSR unique and aim your car at that , it's a huge job but it'll be your baby . Personally I couldn't think of a more fun thing to do. :wink:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: simplybebop on October 04, 2007, 03:57:43 AM
thanks for the wisdom, i would like to go after a proven design if only such specs were available online. But yeah my frame will be traditional style with a model A front axle and a solid mounted rear axle although the condition of maxton may warrant some type of rear suspension. Ive got to decide how long to make it , idk if you have ever seen a f15 600 gallon but there are several feet across the center that are the same diameter which i could remove, but im going to get everything installed up to diff. before i make the final cuts on my tank. I guess its going to be a challenge at the least.  the only thing im shooting for in the whole project is as little weight as i can get away with since ill be working with only low 200ish whp.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on October 06, 2007, 03:25:43 AM
Hi Bebop
Here's a link to John Broughan's tank which he home built from a Sabre Tank...

http://www.users.bigpond.com/jbrough/lakes/lakes.html

gee , those F15 tanks are pointy , mind you don't hurt yourself... :-D

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there are several feet across the center that are the same diameter which i could remove

Have you considered a modular chassis/subframe ? it might allow you to experiment with different rear ends , AND different engine bay arrangements.........I'm just dreaming coz we don't have that option

You didn't say whether you were building a "bellytank per se or a lakester , so , are you gonna sit up front or go Seth Hammond style??????

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on October 16, 2007, 05:42:36 PM
Hi Everyone ,
got a busy fortnight coming up here , a mad thrash actually....this coming Sunday the Bellytank is being wheeled out of the shed for the very first time !!And going to a show , huh? One of the DLRA members wants to have a little exhibit of salt stuff at the Early Fords show that his car club is having and has talked us into letting him have the tank there........worst thing is I can't go.It's a long way off a show car at the moment but it's going all the same.
The following weekend another DLRA member has hired Mangalore airport North of Melbourne (http://www.kestrelaviation.com.au/photos/runway.jpg)for a test and tune day and the tank is going for it's first run .The engine has run , the clutch has been engaged and wheels have turned but not while the car was on the ground ......we'll let you know how we go.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Sumner on October 16, 2007, 06:00:05 PM
.................we'll let you know how we go.

Neat, be sure and take pictures and write it all up and don't have too much fun,

Sum
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on October 16, 2007, 06:32:23 PM
Neat, be sure and take pictures and write it all up and don't have too much fun,Sum
Thanks Sum

Too much fun , that's news to me ,
Too much fun there's bound to be ,
A whole lot of things I ain't never done
'Cause I ain't never had too much fun.

dunno who wrote that one but it always made me laugh.....

I'ts already been heaps of fun , thing is I'd almost forgotten that one day we'd be driving the thing....can't believe it's actually leaving the garage , ( cue 2001 theme music) CROSSING THE THRESH-HOLD!!!!..............ten bucks it doesn't get into top gear before something goes wrong....last night The Rev was looking at some oil stains under the gearbox...." how did that get there...?"  ...."well , um it's got oil in it"....this is just the beginning  :roll:
Title: Mangalore
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on October 16, 2007, 07:23:28 PM
Yeah, there are not enough "x's" in "excited" to describe it properly.

It's fantastic to have this opportunity to test before the big week next year, and only two hours away!

Just to see it out of the shed is going to be very educational. I want to have a look at it from every angle to tune its shape, its livery, blah.

As you know the DLRA only has one event a year so this is a much needed pre-season training session.
There is talk of holding a Maxton style event but I think test and tune is the go.

Even the name is good; "Mangalore"...

Shall post photos of both events.

Reverend H+
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on October 17, 2007, 09:51:23 AM
Well I've never had so much fun
No I've never had so much fun
I can't remember when i've never had so much fun?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: revolutionary on October 18, 2007, 11:06:10 PM
Hey crazy Aussie guys, while cruising around Melbourne, try to find Michael who owns Ice Ignition components there.  Super nice guy and makes a good ignition system.  Tell him the redneck hillbillies from Tennessee said hello and he'll probably sell you an ignition system for twice jobber price after he stops laughing.
Title: After all this time
Post by: Dr Goggles on October 20, 2007, 07:46:55 PM
Yesterday was a long time coming. For the very first time the Bellytank left the garage. I'd had a mad thrash this week, one of the club members Peter Quick ( yeah funny that ) is a member of the early Ford club and although the 'tank is a little short on Ford bits he wanted to have an exhibit of salt stuff at a show they were having today. One of the bands I play in (andrecamilleri.com) has had gigs at the Melbourne International Arts Festival so there's been rehearsals , and the gigs ....and I have to earn a living as well ....in the mean time I've been out in the shed . One day we'll be able to do a proper detail on the car but so far it's a continual process of coaxing things together , shrinking the gaps , making things work better , fit neater .The paint that has been on the car since March was a two hour job we did the night before we thought we were leaving for the salt , this last week I've spent a lot of time on the canopy , getting the skin attached properly and then reworking the catches and shut lines , it's the butterfly effect ....the tiniest adjustment here changes everything there....sometimes I thought I was going mad..." why don't the catches lock in , they used to?...." grind , file , fiddle , open close , open , close , file , curse , open ,CLICK !!!......Gig Friday night ,back in the shed 7am Saturday , a quick rub, a shot of spray filler , a rumage through the left-over paint supplies to find some white and then the final fit-up of the nose to kill time before I start the aircompressor too early and my neighbors want to beat me to death..... If you ever want advice on how to paint things really, really quickly , and not very well drop me a line , I could paint your car in the time it takes you to go to the can and wash your hands.The new billet front hubs arrived this week but I didn't have time to fit 'em....the fuel tank isn't in it either so it won't be getting started at the show.

I clear the shed and Vaughn gives me a hand to get a trailer out of the driveway...the time is drawing near , Vaughn goes leaving me to do the roll out. I set up the hoist and lower the car off the stands front first then the rear , gee it's low!........I start to roll it out of the shed , it won't make it over the 2 inch rise at the door....I put some boards down and hey presto it rolls into the sunshine for the first time :-D Greg Watters rings about the airfield meet next week " how's it going??"... "mate , it's going very well I'm staring at it in the driveway!" Grumm arrrives , we just stand there and stare at it , it's low ,low ,low!! I have to get down and loosen the tailpipe in order to fit the tail piece of the bodywork on ...now that's an annoying job when the car is on the stands , on the ground it's nigh impossible , I'm lying face down on the driveway.....ideas on how to hoist the whole car quickly going through my head......

Pete arrives with the trailer and it takes about half an hour to get it on , this is the first time we've been able to look at it from any further away than three feet... it looks great , they pull out onto the street , I take a short video stroll around it on the trailer and they drive away , our baby!!!!!

I'll post the footage on youtube soon .

I started at work at 7am this morning so I can't go to the show( but I can write this!) and I'm here til 8pm.......race cars , as you all know ....ain't cheap. :wink:
Title: Re: After all this time
Post by: Sumner on October 20, 2007, 07:54:33 PM
Yesterday was a long time coming...................I'll post the footage on youtube soon ...........

What are you waiting for??? You don't need no stinking sleep, food or income (http://www.cybergifs.com/faces/BigWink2.gif).

Oh by the way, congrats on making it this far,

Sum
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on October 21, 2007, 07:32:14 AM
OK , it went to the show , word is it attracted a bit of attention, here it is yesterday on the trailer before it left...
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/PA200021.jpg?t=1192965846)

here ,walk around it on the trailer.....

 http://s190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/?action=view&current=PA200028.flv

while it was at the show it got a little striping done on the water tank...

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/PA210041.jpg?t=1192965947)

the guy who did it was Ryan Ford his dad is Aussie Hot Rod royalty Eddie Ford , his brother Kyle wrote a salt book and although I have no pictures or punctures myself I reckon this little ink on Kyle's arm is pretty cool..

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/KylesTankTat094.jpg?t=1192966074)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: JackD on October 21, 2007, 07:46:29 AM
SMOOTH ! :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Sumner on October 21, 2007, 11:08:34 AM
Wow!!  If a picture is worth a thousand words a video must be worth at least 1000 pictures.  I've always liked it in the pictures, but they don't do justice to what you guys have accomplished.  I think you are going to go fast, have fun and you had better get use to people taking pictures of the car.

Just curious where is the air intake??

.......also I think your trailer plates have expired,

Sum
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: 4-barrel Mike on October 21, 2007, 11:24:35 AM
Terrific!  You guys need to get out more often!

Mike
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on October 21, 2007, 04:19:05 PM
Just curious where is the air intake??
.......also I think your trailer plates have expired,Sum

thanks for the positive comments peoples,  it means a lot. :wink:

at the moment the top edge of the throttle bodies are just through the cowl if you look at the striping shot you can see how close they are to the top of the hoop, we'll be making some sort of hood to sit over them, it 'll spoil the profile a bit.Some halfwit ( er, me) got his sums wrong when he made the plenum for the manifold and made it about 1/2 inch too high...that will change .I'd even thought in the meantime of just using an oval shaped Weber mesh filter to calm the air over the throttles.....

As for the trailer ...sheesh , the number plates on hire trailers are mostly decorative...most of them have expired rego
Title: Scoopy-Doo
Post by: Dr Goggles on October 21, 2007, 10:17:20 PM
at the moment the top edge of the throttle bodies are just through the cowl if you look at the striping shot you can see how close they are to the top of the hoop, we'll be making some sort of hood to sit over them, it 'll spoil the profile a bit.Some halfwit ( er, me) got his sums wrong when he made the plenum for the manifold and made it about 1/2 inch too high...that will change .I'd even thought in the meantime of just using an oval shaped Weber mesh filter to calm the air over the throttles.....

Is this the right way to go?...I know we don't want the pressure up , we don't want the air going at right angles to the throats either...is a scoop that will turn the air down but allow it to flow around the TB's what we want?.....there are louvres behind there so it won't get pressurized......expert opinions requested :wink:

while I'm here , another shot from Sat..this time with the front up....

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/PA200012.jpg?t=1193019371)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on October 21, 2007, 10:22:11 PM
we pressurize the air going to the carbs/throttle bodies with an air box every chance we get, although it is only worth about 5-10 MPH...
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Sumner on October 21, 2007, 11:07:58 PM
we pressurize the air going to the carbs/throttle bodies with an air box every chance we get, although it is only worth about 5-10 MPH...

I agree......you could have the air there separating from the body and not getting to the engine.....................here are some examples of what could be done.......

(http://purplesagetradingpost.com/sumner/bville-cars-1/253-1-06.jpg)     

(http://purplesagetradingpost.com/sumner/bville-cars-2/449-2-06.jpg)     

(http://purplesagetradingpost.com/sumner/bville-cars-4/1000-2-06.jpg)     

Maybe Stainless would enlighten us on the air intake on the Bockscar,

Sum
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on October 21, 2007, 11:48:56 PM
Sum and Doc, As you can see in this section of our "trophy holding team" picture, the air intake is a NACA duct (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NACA_duct).  Properly designed, they present no drag, and are quite effective (if it is easy to paint, it is not working).  We have recorded positive pressure in the air box with the throttle plates in the vertical position. 
What else can I tell you?

sorry, couldn't get the entire pic to fit...
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on October 22, 2007, 12:22:06 AM

(http://purplesagetradingpost.com/sumner/bville-cars-2/449-2-06.jpg)     

Sum
thanks for the tips on scoops , a NACA might be just the thing for us , now ,I couldn't help but notice , this vehicle lacks something that is a common feature on pretty much every other vehicle , plane or boat bar Tanks and submarines with which it in fact seems to share a common feature :wink:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: sockjohn on October 22, 2007, 12:42:58 AM

 

Sum
thanks for the tips on scoops , a NACA might be just the thing for us , now ,I couldn't help but notice , this vehicle lacks something that is a common feature on pretty much every other vehicle , plane or boat bar Tanks and submarines with which it in fact seems to share a common feature :wink:

Motorcycle streamliner with one as well.
http://www.arrowracing.org/

I would have to dust off a book to know for sure, but my fuzzy memory seems to think that a NACA duct works best in a high pressure zone, which seems to make sense.  I'm sure by the time you dig up enough information to make one you'll find out if my memory is correct or not.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: 4-barrel Mike on October 22, 2007, 01:33:38 AM
NACA ducts are pretty simple.  Here are a couple that I put in the hood of a factory turbocharged Alfa Romeo coupe for the Intel engineer down the street from the shop.  I used templates that he provided.

Mike
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Speed Limit 1000 on October 22, 2007, 03:47:29 AM
The NACA duct in the Bockscar is a Boeing design from a B52 bomber, we still hope to give it back to the USAF some day :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on October 22, 2007, 11:22:21 AM
The NACA duct in the Bockscar is a Boeing design from a B52 bomber, we still hope to give it back to the USAF some day :-D

And is not from a high pressure zone... a properly designed one creates it's own zone.  Ours is actually salvaged from an incident victim, and seems to work rather well... 
We have had other scoop ideas, but always came back to the one that gave us the initial success...
Title: Scoop de Ville
Post by: Dr Goggles on October 22, 2007, 11:47:42 AM
 I like the NACA's in the hood 4BM...  The idea of the NACA duct makes more sense to me as the disturbance to the shape of the car is less , obviously it ain't gonna work if we place it poorly. the "cylinder" of air that a 232 is using at speed is fairly small , our shape is pretty clean..hopefully we can get that air without having to stick something too far out from the car .

The NACA duct in the Bockscar is a Boeing design from a B52 bomber, we still hope to give it back to the USAF some day :-D

And is not from a high pressure zone... a properly designed one creates it's own zone.  Ours is actually salvaged from an incident victim, and seems to work rather well... 
We have had other scoop ideas, but always came back to the one that gave us the initial success...

I've "winged " a couple of overflyers but haven't managed to bring down anything on my plot that had useable ducts on it so I guess we'll have to shell out for some new ones to use. :wink:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on October 22, 2007, 12:07:56 PM
Read the technical stuff on the NACA before you buy, many of the ones on the market are not designed correctly.  We had that experience....
Is there an AAF salvage yard on the island / continent?  They have had a couple of possibilities in the inventory...
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: hitz on October 22, 2007, 12:09:59 PM
The NACA duct in the Bockscar is a Boeing design from a B52 bomber, we still hope to give it back to the USAF some day :-D


Stainless,

  Nice of you to comment on you NACA duct. I've decided to use one on #72 G/GL and was not sure it was the best way to go. I'll be dumping it directly into a large air box that includes an air cooler exchange. It's good to get information from someone that is in a very successful group!

  Jon's Landracing site is a godsend to all us and really a bone to new builders, please support this site.

  Thanks to the Dr and the Rev for helping bring the lakester builders out of the "closet". Sum too!

  H
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Rex Schimmer on October 22, 2007, 12:51:23 PM
Rev,
Don't buy any of the commercially available NACA ducts that you see on NASCAR cars as they are really junk. Carol Smith has the info for building your own NACA duct in his "Engineer to Win" book and the important things are: Locate the duct in an area that has attached air flow, make the edges sharp, make a nice radius on the upper part of the inlet opening. Not hard to make and you can actually make them with some aluminum and epoxy if you can't weld alum. Or do as Stainless suggests find a "real" duct from an airplane and use it.

Rex
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on October 22, 2007, 01:11:29 PM
Oi Rex
I've got Engineer to Win but none of his others, I don't remember the NACA plans in it ...Yes I can weld Al( the Rev' would beg to differ)so I guess as soon as I can find the relationship formula( cripes , I've got the numbers wrong in that one before) for the NACA ducts somewhere I might have a shot.........I feel a project coming on :evil:

  Jon's Landracing site is a godsend to all us and really a bone to new builders, please support this site.

  Thanks to the Dr and the Rev for helping bring the lakester builders out of the "closet". Sum too!
H

Jon hasn't got back to me on this one but our idea for repaying Jon's efforts and the chance to tell our story in such a great forum is to sell our soon to be printed T-Shirts to landracing.com members and have payment made direct to the site , you get a shirt he gets a donation and we get the satisfaction of helping out ....
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on October 22, 2007, 07:07:04 PM
Goggles I have no problems with you as an aluminium welder, I blame myself in fact for what must have been miscommunication on my half when I said weld together the aluminium petrol tank it must have sounded like turn it into a colander...
Title: more images
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on October 23, 2007, 12:05:39 AM
Some more images at the show...
Starting to look like my avatar!

View from top has muscles, which is a good thing for a muscle car...
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on October 23, 2007, 12:06:42 AM
Needs bodywork and paint...
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: PJQ on October 23, 2007, 05:36:41 AM
Oi,

Forgot to post one with Mr. Squiggle
(http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e216/PJQ/FalcShow01.jpg)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: JackD on October 23, 2007, 06:42:39 AM
oh , while I'm here ...more


(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/stewshots240.jpg?t=1189987177)
this shot shows the engine bay with the Reverend on the left and our engine man , patron Saint and wiring whizz Colonel Grump on the right
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/Tankshotssep006.jpg?t=1189987383)
here they are again with a photo taken in September 06



This has to be my all time favorite set of pictures that portray the true and lasting spirit of LSR better than can ever be explained to anybody else.
This is the type of shot that should be made into a brass plaque for a suitable award for the few that might deserve it.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: gazza414 on October 23, 2007, 07:49:15 AM
am here I'm thinking that you were only capable of scootering around on a VESPA on the salt...how wrong we are !!!!

looking good guys :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Sumner on October 23, 2007, 03:44:32 PM
...............the important things are: Locate the duct in an area that has attached air flow..........................Rex

"Area that has attached air flow" is the reason I'm afraid to try a NACA duct.

Without wind tunnel time how can you be sure you are in this area??  I've noticed the great success that Mike has had with one on Ack Attack and asked him about using one.  His comment to me was that if the engine wasn't turbocharged he wouldn't run one as then the placement becomes very critical.  The turbo can suck air from about anywhere.  Mike please correct me if I misunderstood you.  I'm not saying one won't work, but how can you be positive on a NA engine you have it where it is needed and sized correctly?? Now most of the Bockscars records are un-blown, so you can't argue with sucess on their part, so I'd look to Stainless as your counselor if you go this route.

Most air inlets are very small and thus don't need to affect the aero much on a car and have been proven to work in most cases.  If a person has a lot of testing time they can try a lot of different options, but with runs so limited for most of us maybe going with something less risky might have a higher chance of a good return.

Doc there is an Air Inlet ("scoop") Size Calculator here if you decide to go that route.  Get it up 6 inches or so from the body:

http://purplesagetradingpost.com/sumner/bvillecar/bville-spreadsheet-index.html

c ya,

Sum
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on October 23, 2007, 04:30:23 PM
I seem to remember the Rice Vigeant car had a problem when their inlet NACA turned into an "auto-bailer"( it sucked big time) when they put it at a point where the flow would have been separating behind their screen.....

A few pages back Sum you put up some pics of a few lakesters with scoops .....what was the one I commented on with no forward facing screen and what I assume was a periscope??
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Sumner on October 23, 2007, 05:04:32 PM
I seem to remember the Rice Vigeant car had a problem when their inlet NACA turned into an "auto-bailer"( it sucked big time) when they put it at a point where the flow would have been separating behind their screen

Yep that was one of the reasons I decided to not go with one and Hitz that one has a canopy similar to yours and had the inlet near where I think you want to put yours.

.............what was the one I commented on with no forward facing screen and what I assume was a periscope??

Yep a periscope:

http://purplesagetradingpost.com/sumner/bville-cars-2/449-2006.html

Sum
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: vintagemxr on October 25, 2007, 12:43:32 AM
oh , while I'm here ...more

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/Tankshotssep006.jpg?t=1189987383)
here they are again with a photo taken in September 06


This has to be my all time favorite set of pictures that portray the true and lasting spirit of LSR better than can ever be explained to anybody else.
This is the type of shot that should be made into a brass plaque for a suitable award for the few that might deserve it.

Jack is right on.  If a picture is worth a thousand words, that one is worth 50 years.  Could have been taken a few weeks ago or 50 years ago.  A true classic.  Pride, ingenuity, perseverance, resourcefulness, and friendship all in one picture; all the things that make motorsports a great hobby.  I'd buy a poster for the garage if one was available.

The whole Aussie belly tank thread is one of the best reads on the whole site.

Doug

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Lynchy on October 25, 2007, 07:06:11 PM
I actually have this photo on my computer as a screen background. I've done a few presentations lately and it gets a few comments. Most people like the front of the tank where it looks like it has a nose and what look to be pointy teeth in a smiling mouth - they are the non car guys. The car guys think it's cool but don't really know what it is. The guys that get it are the ones to talk to.

Lynchy
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on October 25, 2007, 07:47:34 PM
I've finally worked out what it is, but not what I'm doing there
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: PJQ on October 25, 2007, 09:56:53 PM
Towing it to the car show with "The Mongrel", a load of Youffs pulled up next to me at the lights. The 98 Commodore was dropped on it's guts, 18inch wheels were scraping, the bass-kicker a bit louder than a trick exhaust.

A prerequisite peroxide-blond roughie extended from the passenger window and yells, "what the F#@k is that"  pointing at the trailer load.
 
Protruding myself from Mongrel's window I yelled back - "Salt Lake Racer" - checking Da-Boys with reverse Baseball caps in the back seat (except we don't have Baseball here, so the caps extol allegiance to Bunnings Timber, Repco Auto Parts, or Danny's Burgers).

Momentary communication, established with an alien craft, about to end with the changing of traffic lights. Da-Boys were fascinated, but looking worried at The Mongrel (it tends to clear it's own path in crowded traffic).

Da-Boys consorted excitedly a question for roughie-mouthpiece, "how fast does it go"?
"Two Hundred and Ninety Eight..."  the thick bushy eyebrows raised to edges of the caps.

"M I L E S - P E R -  H O U R"   I yelled slow and clear, knowing full-well only two of these five kids knew what a "mile" is, and would argue the rest of their journey about a conversion to Kilometres.

Green-light, old Mongrel let forth a mighty groan and a plume of diesel smoke. Fully-Sic-Mate Commodore stayed still, Da-Boys gave a thumbs-up salute, and waited. I flipped the volume back up, catching the end of a Johnny song, "I'm gunna break free. Gunna break my rusty cage...  and run".

A few seconds later there was the noise I expected, the tuned strain of a backwards fart from a waste gate, consoling Da-Boys: they are indeed "Fully-Sic-Mate". Roughie's busy inspecting her painted claws, oblivious to Da-Boys: arms rapidly point at the Belly Tank and gesticulate wildly at each other. The arguement is on.

I love suburban Australia.
Title: what am I doing here...??
Post by: Dr Goggles on October 25, 2007, 10:21:41 PM
You’re there because of your pretty face Grumm. When Grumm was asked last week what he did on the car build he replied “ they make stuff , I make it work” he’s right but he also forgot to mention his role as the devils advocate.

For those who haven’t been there my sign off on the DLRA site is “Few understand what I’m trying to do but they vastly outnumber those who understand why” it refers to those who do , and , don’t get it…..

When Lynchy says “those who “get” it “….he’s stating something that we all know well ….when  someone is checking out the car I can tell quickly by what they ask whether they’re on the inner or the outer …whether they “get it” .Early on when the Rev and I were still designing the car we’d show a photo of a P38 bellytank ( 50’s , purple not sure who’s) from the “Cox and Genat” book to people…..if they went “wow!,we knew that they got it……

I took the above photo and it always gets me too , I send it to people because it conveys the “buzz” that we get out of the whole thing….it was the night that we first took the car off the build jig and we were all pretty happy and feeling pretty pleased with ourselves…it also shows our up-to-the-minute engineering facilities .

To quote Jack ……” I think he gets it” :wink:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Freud on October 25, 2007, 11:01:12 PM
My Gawd, PJQ, that's the first time I have ever seen pussy fangs.

I don't think I'll ever turn the light on after seeing that.

Thanks for warning me.

FREUD
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: PJQ on October 25, 2007, 11:56:40 PM
No wukka's Freud,
I bang this keyboard with one good finger (one of the film crew flipped the lights on - surprised Pussy!!!)
Title: Tanks first outing
Post by: Dr Goggles on October 27, 2007, 07:31:09 PM
Early start yesterday morning, the car had been put on the trailer the night before and all that remained was to load up the tools , fuel ,water and other sundry bit and bobs and hit the road.Mangalore is about 60 miles north of Melbourne and it freeway all the way , I picked up the Colonel and we were on the way...some of you will be pleased to note that we played Dwight Yoakam's "Guitars , Cadillacs" most of the way there....

We had a few friends and family who rolled up to watch , mostly I think they were there to confirm their own suspicions .......camera's abounded , my 80 year old mum was there telling all who'd listen stories about me as a kid and monitoring the "coarse talk". The Reverend's name is "Dik" , my mother steadfastly refuses to call him that , she calls him Richard.. :wink:

There were about eight other cars there when we arrived as well as three bikes , the factory blown Vincent from Adelaide owned by the Penn's and Greg Watters with an R1 he just picked up still with grind marks on the tailpipe and lights from being flipped , Greg did a couple of runs around 250km/h(~158mph) .Spook had his Trumper there but wasn't entirely happy with the tune he had going and didn't get to wring it's neck but gee it looked a treat.Rod and Carol Hadfield were there with his new HAMBster  ,Brian Nicholson and the Moe boys, David Partridge with his indescribably violent sounding RX7 which I have renamed ( unofficially) as "Swearing Around Children" because no-one wants to hear it. Max Ellery was there with his Commodore he got in some runs around 120mph and was happy with what he's done with the car, there was a new streamliner sans bodywork with a Toyota twin cam 1600 that got a lot of attention owned by a Graeme who's surname I missed and a couple of cars with number plates on 'em.Graeme's streamliner was a little "wanting" in the electrical department , our Colonel , who's a Graham himself felt a kinship bond and got it sorted out , he's a genius. Sadly Norm Bradshaw who organised the booking of the airport and has run an early Mustang with a 499 that's gone about 210 til recently couldn't get his new car there due to engine management issues and a near disastrous fire the night before .Norm's new car is a late model Falcon dressed up as a taxi with a big block Ford and a turbo "big enough to put your head in " , still Norm had a good day and his booking didn't go to waste and I think the hat that got passed around covered him.

We got the tank off the trailer pretty quickly and put some juice in it , made a few checks and fired it up ...it sounded a bit rough and then started shutting down, fuel?? I changed the fuel filter as the tank is new and it had had a crumby one in it previously...turns out the MAP sensor wasn't properly plugged in...try again ,still a bit rough, oops , two leads were mixed up!!!!! , try again ...r,r,r,r,r...poop, is the battery flat? huh? we pull up PJQ's car next to it and get the jumpers out...this is embarrassing. The alternator is either dead or we've got a wiring problem...it takes the Colonel about three minutes to work out that there's a broken wire....it's sorted......now it starts , now it sounds good....we pushed it back to the start of the taxi-way that we're parked on ( on the way it runs over my foot and wrenches my hip....no-one noticed. :oops:) and I jump in and give it a little test , it REALLY goes!!!!!....roll it back and another little test. Right! , it's on. I get the suit on and we get ready , Greg Watters goes down and checks with the guys at the end of the taxi-way , we're on.  I get it down there and start struggling with the gear shift , if you bend your wrist inwards and hold it up near the right side of your chest where it feels like it has no strength then it is where our gear stick is.....grind , screech , grind , clunk... my leg is already tired.......a hand signal and I turn left out onto the runway .Rod Hadfield had said " just take your time and have a few looks at it all and find the rough bits before you get into it"....I'm in third and I can't tell where I am on the track ...I can't see the line , I can't even tell the grass from the rougher tarmac at the edge ...F#%&* it I think and give it some throttle ...it takes off ...ahh ,there's the line over there , man it's rough but the car is great , it wants to go straight , and fast .I see some cones and get on the brakes , well at least that's what they're called...I manage to get it back into second and get off the clutch and put all my strength into the brake pedal ...it slows enough to be able to swing around the cones ...I'm ah kind of excited at this point and have a little trouble getting my s#%* together ....off again this time I get it into fourth as I go past the end of the taxiway though I'm probably around 2000rpm , it's just chugging , apparently the radar trap that has been set up registers 119km/h( about 70) I turn at the other end and two things hit me ...I can barely breathe as the fumes are so strong in the cab and my legs are nearly shot from being tense and trying to work the pedals........I overshoot the turn off and pull up and pop the canopy.

Back at the pit we work out the fume problem and cut a little "smile" vent in the nose to pressurize the cab ,further work will need to be done to seal the body against the frame.The gear shift will need to be sweeter and there will need to be changes to the geometry and hydraulic ratios of the brakes and clutch.....but apart from that IT'S FANTASTIC....... :-D :-D :-D

The Rev suits up. After noticing that the cable mount of the gearshift looks fatigued( turns out I tacked it in position when I was setting it up and never ever went back, oops)we decide to get him to run in third only.......he does six passes and returns completely buzzed . I got back in and gave it a bit of curry , I'm too far over for the speed trap to register but I'm in fourth and well over three grand the runway has several really sharp bumps that are jarring ... I overshoot at the end despite turning it off and getting both feet on the brake pedal, when I finally do swing it around I flick the switch and it blasts off again , I might get to like this .when I get back in the temp gauge reads 200 , when we take the cowl off we realize she's thrown the belt.....we deal with that and send the Reverend out for another run, he canes it and comes back with a grin from ear to ear ....we were both thrilled.

Apart from a water leak from a dodgily installed sender( me) a gearbox oil leak ( a breather will help) and the fume problem it went astoundingly well.

more will follow.

here's a shot of the car with PJQ in the background ,The Colonel , the Reverend in his Hedgash overalls and me in the suit...gee we had fun.
(http://lh6.google.com.au/KirstyKirstyKlightyKatrina/RyL2a70wg2I/AAAAAAAABmY/KTF1hbyc_MU/IMG_2228.JPG?imgmax=800)
the new nose vent , Goggles pushing , Amber( Lady Hedgash) and Michelle( I play in her fella's band)
(http://lh4.google.com.au/KirstyKirstyKlightyKatrina/RyL3Gb0whFI/AAAAAAAABoU/q3KKQ3nrbjI/IMG_2243.JPG?imgmax=800)

Animal and his Mrs , Carol Hadfield ,Rod , the Col. and the Dr.
(http://lh3.google.com.au/KirstyKirstyKlightyKatrina/RyL2JL0wgvI/AAAAAAAABlg/s5dyUorgsCU/IMG_2221.JPG?imgmax=800)

The Rev zooms by...

(http://lh4.google.com.au/KirstyKirstyKlightyKatrina/RyL3Ib0whGI/AAAAAAAABoc/k8WnpweiNrc/IMG_2244.JPG?imgmax=800)

Title: Village people??
Post by: Dr Goggles on October 27, 2007, 08:58:37 PM
Goggles I have no problems with you as an aluminium welder, I blame myself in fact for what must have been miscommunication on my behalf when I said weld together the aluminium petrol tank it must have sounded like turn it into a colander...
Oh that's OK Rev.... I probably wasn't listening properly ...more likely I was staring at your get-up......you did look rather fetching though.....

(http://lh4.google.com.au/KirstyKirstyKlightyKatrina/RyL3mb0whSI/AAAAAAAABqA/PhC42F_FC0M/IMG_2256.JPG?imgmax=640)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: JackD on October 27, 2007, 10:10:30 PM
Notes and pictures become articles, articles become books, books become films, and most of them are soon gone.
This is the adventure of a lifetime and beyond.
It is a real study of how it is done rather than how to do it.
The lesson is the real value.
Thanks :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: hitz on October 28, 2007, 02:09:52 AM


  Congrats to the Rev, Doctor and the Col,

    First ride and it even wants to go straight! Looks like you all were having a good time at the airport.

   There will be plenty of people cheering for you this coming March from the States because of the way you kept us up to date on this forum.

   Good on you! :-D

   Harvey

Title: here , shake my hand
Post by: Dr Goggles on October 28, 2007, 02:22:48 AM
Colonel Grumm took this shot after I'd just gone for a twenty yard test roll...it'd been a few years coming this moment , for the uninitiated it's Dr Goggles on the left and Reverend Hedgash on the right....with his back turned is Ben "emu Ben!" James who runs an old style Kwaka Z1 and a Duke Darmah ,he's an old mate of mine who I talked into going to the lake when we first got started ....on the way home that first year Ben said  " you know Stew ( I'm James Stewart , they all call me Stew') I only came because I told I would , you know it' cost a fair bit and even up til the last day I was really wondering whether it was worth it"... I gave Ben the sort of " what's your point" look and said ..."and?"....Ben said , "well even if you die Stew , I'm comin' back next year!"...he loves it.....

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/DSC_1525.jpg?t=1193552014)

there'll be more

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: PJQ on October 28, 2007, 07:47:47 AM
(http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e216/PJQ/Tankinaction.jpg)

Shots of other cars at the Mangalore salt teaser can be found over here...
http://www.dlra.org.au/forum/viewtopic.php?t=698
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Sumner on October 28, 2007, 10:51:02 AM
Hey guys you finally turned a wheel!!!  I just can't hardly wait myself.  You guys have come a long ways and I can just imagine all of the smiles that must have been on your faces.

Quote
getting both feet on the brake pedal

Sounds like it might be time to get a chute on that car,

Sum
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Rex Schimmer on October 28, 2007, 02:12:30 PM
ABSOLUTLY FANTASTIC!!!! The car is "sooo bitchen!" and it runs!! Congrates to you and your efforts. As Hinz says we will all have you in mind come March. Best of luck! and again congratualtions on getting it done and wheels turning!!

Rex
Title: Mangalore report
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on October 28, 2007, 06:48:44 PM
Fantastic day, went over to the shed yesterday and both of us were still smiling about it.

Three things that were in the back of my mind that needed to be proven on the car were the steering, vibration issues (after witnessing Wazavoodoo's short season in 2004) and engine issues at high revs.

The steering was very good in that it wanted to go in a straight line and any adjustment was responsive in a very predictable and positive way. The turning circle was large as expected but small enough to be able to U-turn on the runway without assistance or going over onto the gravel which is probably the ideal balance. Looks like a grader turning the way they fold over with the 30 degree castor. Our new front hubs proved them selves happily true too.

Good news about vibration is that there wasn't any discernible. The VN V6  is stock and hasn't been blueprinted or anything, just a minor porting by the Colonel and an extra throttle slapped on. I am sure our earlier option of the Buick V6 could have been less smooth as it didn't have the balanced shaft or roller rockers as standard..)

At high rev's it just wanted to keep going (as did we) but knowing there was an end to the track with an active runway going crossways with planes landing made us keep the horses in the back paddock until March. No fuel starvation issues were apparent so our plumbing, anti cavitation tank, fast flow filter and pump were all up to scratch.

It also sounded great! Definately a V6 with that odd rhythm but with a lovely mean note which someone described like an old prop plane which I kind of liked.

It therefore passed the major tests we needed.

Things we need to look into:

As mentioned by the Doc, gear selection, fumes getting into the cabin, and brakes (not such an issue at Gairdner!).

Getting in and out of the car was a bit of a squeeze (both of us putting on weight...) and so a seat redesign is in order.

Simple things like practicing the technique of getting the seatbelts on and correctly adjusted so that we don't spend too long in our race suit and thermals and can concentrate on the run more.

We also learnt a bit about just getting the car on and off the trailer which will help our trailer design still on the drawing board.


On Mangalore:

The track itself is probably about as perfect as you would want for a test day. It is long and smooth enough to check all that you'd want to check, but short enough (and rough enough) so that it isn't about setting records. "Self Limiting" was the term Steve Barnett used when I described it to him and I think that's a perfect description of the site.

I think this is an important point that if we continue with Mangalore (and I absolutely think we should) that it is seen as a test day only and for DLRA members only. Otherwise we'll have every dickhead with their off the shelf fast car out there doing burnouts very quickly, insurance problems, and worse waiting queues of gawd knows how long.

As it was it was a very friendly day of have a fiddle, take it out for a trundle and see if it worked come back for a blurt and another twiddle.

Thanks so much for all involved in organising the day, especially Norm who I am sure will surpass the current teething pains.

Reverend H+
EGL Mangalore 132kph (in third)



Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: PJQ on October 28, 2007, 11:23:04 PM
Doc Goggle's Mum.
(http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e216/PJQ/ProudMum.jpg)
She's real proud of the tank and was rambling about what it'll do at the salt, eyeing-off the large bag of Mexican Chilly corn chips I was holding.

Devouring them like a school kid who's not allowed to have sweets - the coughing started - face red as a new Chev block, the orange foam ear plugs popped out like Champers corks, and she was leaning forward - arms waving in the air - fists clenching handfuls of CC's. Thank Christ Goggle's sister and the other girls were there to administer resuscitation. I was glared at - tried and found guilty - slinking away, leaving the evidence on the picnic table.

Later, sitting with Club Animal in his jocks (whisky-cola mixer in hand), we watched the tank bounce along the runway. Animal let fly a commentary on each run that would make a Digger blush. She'd nod or frown in response, taking it in her stride.

"That sheila's tough as a girder-bender" my old Pops would've said in compliment.
Sorry about feeding Chilly Chips to your Mum.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on October 29, 2007, 07:02:38 AM
congrats---all around---sounds like a very sucessful firt run outing---did you let your mom cristen the tank?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: JackD on October 29, 2007, 08:28:54 AM
Part of the value of the test was the learning process that had all the right stuff go wrong.
None of it was beyond your ability to fix it, get in some seat time, and identify some things that you want to improve on.
Welcome to the forevers, and realize that such excellent reporting is of substantial value for others that ranges from shifter installation to Mexican chip distribution.
I bet a more complete diet review will be part of the "Pit Tootsie"  pre-event maintenance in the future.
It is good to not make the same mistake the first time, but it is better to be able to fix it easy, because you are going to do it anyway.:wink:

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on October 29, 2007, 09:17:36 AM
Part of the value of the test was the learning process that had all the right stuff go wrong.
None of it was beyond your ability to fix it, get in some seat time, and identify some things that you want to improve on.
Welcome to the forevers, and realize that such excellent reporting is of substantial value for others that ranges from shifter installation to Mexican chip distribution.
I bet a more complete diet review will be part of the "Pit Tootsie"  pre-event maintenance in the future.
It is good to not make the same mistake the first time, but it is better to be able to fix it easy, because you are going to do it anyway.:wink:

Now , be nice everyone because although she's 80 she's an SMSaholic and she watches this site as well ( Hi Mum)...there was one revealing moment when we were watching some footage that my cousin shot on the Rev's big vid cam...he was in my mum's car and after I'd pulled over because of the fume-out I could hear her on the tape saying " ...and he doesn't need that with his lungs..." god love her  :wink: She's always expressed disappointment that I dropped out of university to play rock and roll but this bellytank thing has been a Phd in life and I think she "gets it".

Jack is on it ...we had an incredibly successful outing ...nothing cut it short , we had a chance to do enough driving to be able to nail things that HAVE to change and also to see things that are sufficient as they are.I'm not a "polisher" and am more interested in making this thing kick than shine...there are certain aspects of the car that I'm sure were a bit of an eye-opener for some people there and I don't mean in the usual sense . This whole thing has been a learning experience and there is nothing in our car that we took for granted , nothing that we copied without understanding and nothing that we did because we were told to do it that way, we argued and discussed every bit of it.That said , we will of course suffer some because of our stubborn refusal to "stand in line" and how much will be difficult to quantify ,likewise it will be difficult to measure the advantages that some of our ingenuity has got us . In the end it will be crap or OK , it won't be sensational , let's be realistic ,Jack Kelly's tank owns the record for E/GL at 236 and some , he has an SBC that will get close to 9 grand am I right and he didn't start doing this yesterday...One day our tank might crack 220 , that would be a great day I'd reckon . Looking at it another way the early model V6's we are using at the moment are really really cheap....it'd be great to be able to make a reliable "2 ton" car using stock bottom ends .. we can get 'em for the cost of a set of new plugs , a fan belt , 3 gallons of fuel and an oil change...That's achievable with a stock diff, 28inch tires and a standard gear box......beyond that we need the power, revs and gearing that costs the sort of money we don't have. The late model motor has plenty of power and revs but it will be a long time before there are affordable hop-up bits for it and it is a complex piece of kit that will be better left "unopened" for a while I suspect.

Right now we have something that means a mountain to us, it goes , we love how it looks and although we're human and everyone loves a bit of attention we're out to impress ourselves  for the time being .We are overwhelmed by the response that the car has got and it is a real buzz to have received so much good will from so many experienced and respected people but deep down we started this before we knew much about it , looking back our aims were pretty humble but they were closer to the mark than our estimates of the time , money and involvement that it has taken and yet dwarfed by the reward and we ain't got to the real bit yet.

Throw your self help books , your motivational tapes , your "goal orientated " aims out the window and design and build your own landspeed vehicle people it'll change you , don't race other people , race yourself ....there's no point cheating.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: gazza414 on October 29, 2007, 04:21:53 PM
Many congrads Stewie and Rev...looks like it is all coming together.. and the car looks fast...

pretty bumpy that air strip hey :?
Title: Re: Here shake my hand
Post by: grumm441 on October 29, 2007, 11:48:23 PM
I look at that picture and keep seeing a Pink Floyd album cover
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on October 30, 2007, 04:16:35 AM
To Sum, Harv, Jack, and all the other OS landracers,

Wish you were here.

rH+
Title: Photo
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on October 30, 2007, 04:29:56 AM
Actually I should tell the story about this shot. As staged as the original looks it actually wasn't. The good Lady Hedgash was videoing Dr Go in the car as he gave it a few test spurts of about 20m. He jumped out to suit up and that was when he shook my hand.

Amber had just shut down the camera and missed the hand shake and yelled at us to do it again. I yelled back that we don't re-enact scenes and the discussion went well on into the trip home.

It turns out that when the Colonel rocked up the next day he had taken this shot with his still camera. Wow, we thought, that's a keeper and legit too, it is the actual moment of shaking the hand at knowing it works after 4 years.

I like it so much I am going to turn it into a painting.

Rev H+
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: JackD on October 30, 2007, 06:28:49 AM
NOTE TO AMBER :
Don't worry about missing the movie shot, I expect it will be often repeated. :wink:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Sumner on October 30, 2007, 10:13:00 AM
To Sum, Harv, Jack, and all the other OS landracers,

Wish you were here.

rH+

I sure hope to be one of these days.  Can I be on the pit crew?? 

Sum
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on October 30, 2007, 06:35:00 PM
Sum, you are already on the pit crew.

If you rock up down under, we will put you up in Melbourne and transport you to the lake.

rH+
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Sumner on October 30, 2007, 07:24:25 PM
Sum, you are already on the pit crew.

If you rock up down under, we will put you up in Melbourne and transport you to the lake.

rH+

You'd better be careful, I got a passport picture taken the other day.  This year???????

Sum
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on October 30, 2007, 08:20:42 PM
No, you'd had better be careful, it will be bushfire season and there will be plenty of slashing to be done...

rH+
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: PJQ on October 30, 2007, 09:08:36 PM
I may be talking out of turn, overstretching things a bit, but at Mangalore I reckon we had a touch of what it was like at early meets in So Cal. No records were set, the timer didn't work properly, only eight vehicles ran - but shit happened that will never be repeated.

Machinery is easy to understand; from the scratch-together tank on these pages to the priceless 1955 Johnny Penn Vincent Black Lightning LSR special. And the people, from club founders, to little kids plonked in the driver seat by eager dad, the mixing assuring a continuum of those that "get it".

Then there's the spirit. It really kicked-in when a bloke showed up with a partly finished Streamliner. Graham is clearly a "loner". No one knew him or the project. Friendly but quiet, he wouldn't ask for help, and doesn't care much for this Internet stuff. He and his wife drove through the night from Adelaide (10+ hours on the road). The trailer loaded with a car skeleton and parts.

Any time you passed his pits, there's someone tinkering alongside him. You check out the his work, discuss this or that, start helping  - it's obvious there's lots to do - pretty soon, you're sweatin' your arse off, getting this beast ready for the first ever run.

And did it run! Keep an eye out for this one.
(http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e216/PJQ/GLiner.jpg)

Norm, the event organiser - despite his car toasting in a shed fire the day before - was happy as a pig in mud. "Mate, this is what it's supposed to be like" he said, watching Hadfield's jalopy and Moe Boys line up for impromptu drags.

The day ended with ear-to-ear grins on every dial: Moe Boys XA Falcon - Mad Max model - unleashed for ten minutes of high-rev burnouts (not on salt tyres).

Getting Graham's liner strapped to the home made trailer and sending them on their way, I was alone, soaking-in a golden sunset over the small planes and the tower, nestled among the foothills of Victoria's Highlands. "Get the camera" I thought. Nah, you can't photograph what I'm feeling.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Lynchy on October 30, 2007, 09:49:42 PM
Sum

Be careful if you come over! It will end up being a round Australia trip. There are members all the way around the outside of the country + quite a few in the middle. If you do get over here we will book you in for some accommodation in Brisbane + get you in at one of the DLRA (Qld chapter) BBQ / BS / Bench racing sessions. It would be nice to have a guest speaker!

PS - I'm sure more than one car could use an extra crew member. If you come over 6/12/18 months in advance you could do a bit of work on the Jag.

Lynchy
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: JackD on October 31, 2007, 01:05:21 AM
Now that you have worked so hard to " Get It", you got it, and don't ever let it expire. :wink:
Title: In for a look
Post by: Dr Goggles on October 31, 2007, 09:59:18 AM
Ok enough of the love fest.....I took the water tank off this afternoon to have a look at a few things .The oil leak it turns out was partly the diff breather , partly the diff bung (oops, not very tight ) and some from the gearbox...The fuel fumes that I copped at the end of one of the runs seem to have been from the fuel tank breather which has no valve on it , I think it has "sloshed" as i backed off and being a fairly  fine tube that turns down rather quickly I think it has just blown some juice out to where it hit the tail-pipe...that'll have to be changed . The gear shift is going to get redesigned , the present shifter has morse cables and works in a cross pattern , as it turns out the side to side movement is too difficult to make and there isn't really enough room to do it properly....After checking out some of the photo's on Sum's site I think it is a toss up between two completely separate levers or a very narrow "H" . If I make two levers from shallow channel and a flat stick that will fit in the channel so it can tilt from side to side selecting one or the other I should be able to make it work.The brakes are a bit of an issue which will most likely be fixed by making the brake pedal longer , I allowed a lot of room for travel  which it doesn't need so it can be longer which will give a bit more stopping power. Apart from those issues I didn't find anything that was broken or looking like it was about to break , nothing burnt or rubbed , no cracks around the rear superstructure ( and it sure got some heavy thumps...airborne anyone????) so it was a dream run really and I'll be the first to admit it had as much to do with good luck as good management . The next six months will be spent getting the trailer built , compiling spares and doing a proper methodical tear-down and rebuild , checking everything , threads , clearances , fluid volumes , electrical connections , cooling system fittings getting the body fit neater and tighter .Having had such a neat first test we haven't got any excuses now .
Sum
Be careful if you come over! It will end up being a round Australia trip. There are members all the way around the outside of the country + quite a few in the middle. If you do get over here we will book you in for some accommodation in Brisbane + get you in at one of the DLRA (Qld chapter) BBQ / BS / Bench racing sessions. It would be nice to have a guest speaker!

PS - I'm sure more than one car could use an extra crew member. If you come over 6/12/18 months in advance you could do a bit of work on the Jag.
Lynchy

Now , Sum, people in Queensland are a bit like people from your Deep South ,you might never get to leave.... there's Staytie, Lynchy, Don Noble( hot Nissans and classical music! go figure :?) , Bob Ellis ( who's really a Kiwi) and more I've overlooked I'm sure but they're an "interesting " mob......As for working on Jag's I'd take the easy way out and devote your life to ending war for all time , it'd be much simpler. :wink:
Then there's the spirit. It really kicked-in when a bloke showed up with a partly finished Streamliner. Graham is clearly a "loner". No one knew him or the project. Friendly but quiet, he wouldn't ask for help, and doesn't care much for this Internet stuff. He and his wife drove through the night from Adelaide (10+ hours on the road). The trailer loaded with a car skeleton and parts.
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/DSC_1545.jpg)

keen to see how this guy goes , interestingly the Colonel said he was an insurance assessor.....not a trapeze artist or a bounty hunter , a fireman or a jet pilot not an engineer  or mechanic ..this man deals with crashed cars , and there's his wife with him while he climbs into a piece of scaffolding which he wants to pilot to 200 miles per hour ,a mixture of ingenuity , persistance and faith and a fascination with doing something different , his own way.

As you were men. :wink:
Title: Re: In for a look
Post by: Sumner on October 31, 2007, 10:29:55 AM
...................After checking out some of the photo's on Sum's site I think it is a toss up between two completely separate levers or a very narrow "H" ................

I found some more pictures and will e-mail them to you today.

Getting a chance to do the run the other day might of saved you a year at the lake.  It will be nice to know that you got these issues worked out and that there wasn't anything real major.

c ya,

Sum
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: JackD on October 31, 2007, 11:18:15 AM
What type of movement are you wanting to duplicate at the tranny ?
We know how the human works, but how about the other end.
How about a picture of the transmission ?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on October 31, 2007, 11:33:54 AM
thanks to Sum for this pic, instead of what we have here I have extended the actual shift shaft and put the tag on the end of that...to move the point of connection out wide , which is what they seem to be trying to do here, I have supported the whole arrangement with a gantry, if not identical our box is very similar to this...( I'm , er , at work at the moment so I can't access my photo's)                                                                                                                           (http://purplesagetradingpost.com/sumner/bvilleother/Shifters-5.jpg)

extending the shaft rather than the lever means I can support it at the other end which they can't do here however my manufacturing tolerances probably mean we're on level pegging....the cables make our box work fine the issue is the amount of room in the cab , which is even worse when you put a person in there :wink:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on November 04, 2007, 09:37:21 PM
If you can put a floor shiffter on the tranny----I have seen a good shifter made out of a long rod and a big door or gate hinge at the back and a side stick on the rod in the cockpit---much like a big COE (lorry?)  truck
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Sumner on November 04, 2007, 10:15:06 PM
If you can put a floor shiffter on the tranny----I have seen a good shifter made out of a long rod and a big door or gate hinge at the back and a side stick on the rod in the cockpit---much like a big COE (lorry?)  truck

Hey I sent him that one:

http://purplesagetradingpost.com/sumner/bvilleother/page%209.html

It was good talking to you today,

Sum
Title: this is a stick up
Post by: Dr Goggles on November 05, 2007, 06:03:30 AM
....I spent some time in the shed yesterday....it was freezing cold and I got jack of it pretty quick.....so I went and had a sleep on the couch...first time I've done that in a while ,it was a luxury that just seemed right ..started on some ideas for the shifter just to make a basic H pattern shift......One thing I hadn't considered til I read Sparky's post was changing the gearbox end of the equation so I could just keep the shift we have .....but that could be a little complicated , and at the same time introduce a few more places where I'd get play that won't help with smooth shifts. Because of that and the amount of space available in the cab I'm leaning more and more toward the two sticks idea.We just don't have much room anywhere , the water tank sits on top of the gearbox , there's the exhaust , the floor , the bell-housing ....well, you know how it is....I'll be back. :wink:
Title: Re: this is a stick up
Post by: Sumner on November 05, 2007, 09:51:47 AM
....I spent some time in the shed yesterday....it was freezing cold and I got jack of it pretty quick.....so I went and had a sleep on the couch...first time I've done that in a while ,it was a luxury that just seemed right ..started on some ideas for the shifter just to make a basic H pattern shift......One thing I hadn't considered til I read Sparky's post was changing the gearbox end of the equation so I could just keep the shift we have .....but that could be a little complicated , and at the same time introduce a few more places where I'd get play that won't help with smooth shifts. Because of that and the amount of space available in the cab I'm leaning more and more toward the two sticks idea.We just don't have much room anywhere , the water tank sits on top of the gearbox , there's the exhaust , the floor , the bell-housing ....well, you know how it is....I'll be back. :wink:

Enjoy your nap.  Laying in bed is were I get some of my best and worst ideas.  I like the one with the regular shifter on the side with Morse cables.  Not enough room for that?  I think I understood where you were going with the idea you e-mailed me, but I'm not sure if I fully understood it.

c ya,

Sum
Title: This is a stick up ,
Post by: Dr Goggles on November 05, 2007, 05:28:09 PM
here's a shot of the gearbox end of things....

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/PB060092.jpg)

here's a view looking forward on the shift side it shows how the widest point is the firewall and where the exhaust is....

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/PB060099.jpg)

next is the footwell , looking at the throttle pedal....normally when the car is being driven there's a human in here...in fact that's the kind of view they get...

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/PB060102.jpg)

finally here's me sitting in it as you can see it's kind of squishy, couldn't say for certain but it looks like the Rev is trying to tighten some nuts :?

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/PA270074.jpg)

so , that gives you an idea of what I've been complaining about.Sum if I had the Rev's drawing skills I would sketch the idea I was telling you about .....but I don't and that would only make it more confusing........

Today is a holiday here ....Melbourne Cup day ....big horse race...well the horses are normal size but ...you know what I mean... :wink:



Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Sumner on November 05, 2007, 06:12:30 PM
(http://purplesagetradingpost.com/sumner/temp-pictures/A-belly%20tank-1.jpg)   

Ok explain what is going on here now.  I assume the two bottom arrows point to the shifting shafts on the side of the transmission.  I can see where the left one is hooked to something and is the right one hooked to the rod with the heim joint or something behind it.  Did you have a picture of the shifter that is by your chest in the car???  I didn't see that. 

Is that rust I see, you haven't even been out on the salt yet!!

c ya,

Sum
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on November 05, 2007, 06:22:34 PM
Left one is hooked to the same type of heim jointed shaft as the right one, just facing down instead of up so they don't foul each other..., there is an anchor point next to the clutch slave . There is a small spigot going into the end of each shaft to keep them "on axis" .And yes I know it's not all painted at the moment Sum....that will be taken care of in the teardown that will be happening soon .......jeez , some people pay for that kind of patina :wink: :wink:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on November 19, 2007, 07:28:21 AM
The weekend just gone we made a few changes to the driving position . We changed the angle of the steering column so that the steering wheel is higher and moved the brake pedal slightly to one side . The steering wheel had been off centre by about a quarter of an inch , several factors had contributed to that and although it seems insignificant it was one of the reasons that sitting  in the seat holding the wheel with the harness on something "didn't feel right " . We cut the seat down , removing material from the sides where it touched the back of our arms ( and made it difficult to operate the fire system) and moved the bottom mounts ever so slightly .Tiny changes , but now when you are in it everything feels "in line"  and roomier....

The rough version of the new gearshift is done . The intention is to put a lock-out on first gear and then have a spring which pulls the 1st/2nd lever against it .This means in order to select 2nd gear you will need to hold it there , once you let it go it will return to neutral avoiding the chance of jamming the box by using the 3rd/4th lever while the car is in gear.... In the pits we can flip up the lock out and the 1st/2nd lever will stay in first for driving in the pits( yes , we are allowed to do that here :wink:) .

We have just been reading a worrying story about oil starving in our motor at sustained high revs , anyone have suggestions for the early 232.?......

Thanks all
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Sumner on November 19, 2007, 12:15:21 PM
................
We have just been reading a worrying story about oil starving in our motor at sustained high revs , anyone have suggestions for the early 232.?......

Thanks all

Sounds like you have made some good changes and the run at the airfield paid off in big ways towards a better car for the salt.

On the oil thing we had that problem the first year with a stock small block Chevy block.  We pumped the oil to the top end faster than it was returning and ran out of oil pressure on our two high speed runs just going to the end of the 3 mile..  I know that isn't what you have, but what we did might help you.  Hooley had installed screens for drain back that were restricting the flow there.  Also the other drain back holes in the block had casting residue around them so slowed drain back.  The new block has been cleaned up at the drain back from the upper end locations and we run a bigger pan now and also an oil accumulator.  So far with this combination we haven't had oiling problems.  If the course was longer maybe we would, but now there is enough oil available and the return has been speeded up that we can run the whole 5 miles and still have pressure.

Hope this might help a little,

Sum
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on November 20, 2007, 03:23:24 AM
Well , I had an inkling that lower than atmospheric pressure in the crankcase would help , and I spent some time talking to someone who's had success with these motors before , he was very helpful and that was his suggestion ,and ,true to my suspicions ,he had a solution that was more grocery store than jewellery store....that's what we like...

So ,off I went to a wrecking yard...where I scavenged a reed valve and some stainless tubing from an air-pump/injection anti pollution set-up from a 323/Laser ...these are not what you would call hotly sought after items ......a quick look at a system built for a Clevo and a coldie courtesy of the owner and all I had to do was tell some stories......listen to some told by another weird pest/home creator type like myself and I was on my way......Everytime I go to Bill's yard I wish i'd taken my camera because I always see little bits and pieces , knuckles , pivots . STUFF that I can use to make what I've already built better... most of the stuff I'm talking about is scrap , rubbish that lies in the open ....sometimes , sometimes when I manage to get his imagination to fire ( it needs a bit of aerostart usually but it does work)..he 'll go on a hyperactive scramble around , under and over in an effort to show me the different examples of how something is done.....but on the really rare occasion I get to see inside the "inner sanctum" a freight container with his booty from swap meets....Methanol injection manifolds from the fifties , Ford GT stuff , blowers , Flathead performance gear(?)...usually a visit to this container is preceded by a warning accompanied by a waving index finger held above his shoulder as you are following him ..." this isn't for sale".......

Now this fella I mentioned who'd had experience with the V6's we're using also had some great advice about our harness and arm restraints.....all very useful and garnered from experience ...nothing to do with proving his importance just good helpful considered expert advice , it won't go unheeded.

Thanks Jack. :wink:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on November 27, 2007, 10:58:26 AM
ooooh!!!!!  Dr. Googles---I like that---"more grocery store than Jewelry store"!!!!!----please hand draw a schematic of the system you are cooking up---I assume a scavage system?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on November 30, 2007, 03:34:12 PM
.will get to that soon...along with our ever so slightly unusual solution ( some would say clunky ,over-complicated and possibly prehistoric) solution for the gearshift.................have been caught up this week working on the raod-going part of the fleet... :wink:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on December 01, 2007, 09:31:58 AM
Ahhh!!!  Dr. Goggels---adressing the ever present desire to drive to the grocery store instead of walking---especially by the Missus!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on December 02, 2007, 06:27:07 PM
Yesterday was tank day , it's only 3 months 'til speedweek so it was time to make a list.....first up we have the good Reverend Professor taking questions as to the priorities

(http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd35/Jarman-Stewart/PC020004.jpg)

on the list is "seal firewall"....a bad dose of fumes at the airstrip T&T day highlighted the need to get a nice tight seal( every sea-lion's looking for one o' them) where the body meets the firewall....this wasn't going to an easy thing to remedy the way things were . The lower body is a tub that includes the front and floor skin all the away to the rear axle . Due to the difficulty of measuring the gap we needed to fill , the ever present hassle of having to remove the tub when we wanted to get to the lower part of the engine bay and the fact that we were going to kill each other if we had to argue one more time about the way that the tie rods go through holes in the body when The Dr thinks they should be vertical slots we cut it in half. Huh?....Yes, we went the whole hog and lopped the tub in half at the firewall......now it's easy to get it off when we need to get at the bottom of the bay...the front part really never needs to come off...this will make several lingering jobs a whole lot easier.....here , the Reverend tapes the line ....in the past a certain someone has cut the wrong side of a tape line , we had "words" over that one I'm tellin' ya!!

(http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd35/Jarman-Stewart/PC020007.jpg)

and again.....

(http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd35/Jarman-Stewart/PC020006.jpg)

then after the 'wigs had done their bit the grunt steps in and executes the precision part of the job.....

(http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd35/Jarman-Stewart/PC020008.jpg)

then these nice little bits were fabbed up to finally shut the gap.........

(http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd35/Jarman-Stewart/PC030011.jpg)
we'll probably end up "gooping" every little remaining  gap before shutting it up because the front part of the tub won't need to be removed during speedweek....

next up we have a video of the prototype gear shift. There is a manual lockout , it has two positions , in one you can select 2nd with the RH lever and then 3rd/4th with the LH lever , flip the lock-out over and you can select 1st and 2nd while 3rd and 4th are locked in Neutral.We don't need to 1st to start  2nd is fine....I intend to spring load the RH lever so to keep it 2nd it will need to be held , when you let it go it will return to neutral...in the second mode it will be able to stay in first for taxiing and allow you too keep both mits on the wheel at low speed because the high castor makes for some very heavy steering....The lock-out will not need to be touched on the track , only when you need to use first gear.....it needs a tidy up and to be built a little more solidly I will also build a panel to cover the lot ,but it works and has achieved the aim of getting more room and being easier to operate.... ....

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/th_PB280197.jpg) (http://s190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/?action=view&current=PB280197.flv)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Sumner on December 02, 2007, 11:46:52 PM
Nice job!!  Has he ever hit you with that pointer???  Kind of looks like something one of my grade school teachers decided to use on me a couple times.  Also where is the full face shield we had talked about??

It looks like the run on the airstrip is really paying off and should assure a lot higher chance of success on the lake bed.

c ya,

Sum
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on December 03, 2007, 12:04:00 AM
.......two things....

I was going to make a crack about the vice-grips ....seeings how they were flavor of the month on the Marlo Treit thread......and I was also going to highlight the safety gear I was using....jeez sum at least there's a guard on the grinder....... :roll:

in that shot of the Rev ...i was just about to throw a spit-ball at him but then the bell rang ........

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Sumner on December 03, 2007, 08:01:59 AM
.......two things......and I was also going to highlight the safety gear I was using....jeez sum at least there's a guard on the grinder....... :roll: .....

I will have to give you credit for the ear protection.  Good idea as you won't hear the explosion when the grinding wheel explodes  :evil: ,

Sum
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Lynchy on December 03, 2007, 07:11:20 PM
Quote
Also where is the full face shield we had talked about??

When I was last working on Big Gaz's Jag (sorry for not posting updates on this website, I've been posting them on the DLRA site instead - and you all read our forum, don't you!!) he had me grinding the fire bottle mounts with the die grinder.

So - full overalls, gloves, hat, full face shield, my glasses, earmuffs, condom..... and two weeks later I'm still picking shards of metal out of skin!

Lynchy
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Sumner on December 03, 2007, 09:00:15 PM
[.................he had me grinding the fire bottle mounts with the die grinder..................I'm still picking shards of metal out of skin!
Lynchy

For me to use a die grinder I have to be desperate and the very last option for just the reason you stated.  I get the shop vac. going right after I use it and still get the slivers,

Sum
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on December 03, 2007, 09:39:09 PM
..........die grinder swarf is the worst , and if it's stainless it's da worstest....in the end you wish it would get infected so at least it would come out quicker....what's really great is having a piece in a fingertip when you've got a gig( i play guitar)....it's like an electric shock every time you use that finger..... :-o..ouchie wa wa.....

Ok , I'm suitably chastised.......
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on December 04, 2007, 06:19:00 PM
I dunno if it's just because It is one of my posts but I've noticed in the post at the top of this page that the word "CRACK" is highlighted in green and underlined ....when I ran a cursor over it a little ad popped up that said "...need a personal loan?"........aw gee come on :roll: I've already got an expensive habit .

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on December 04, 2007, 08:35:10 PM
Doc, must be an Aussie thing, no green crack or loan promises on my screen.  Ya gotta spend your money somehow, it just as well be on racing, personally I spend mine on racing, drinking and women.... the rest of it I waste...
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Sumner on December 04, 2007, 09:59:49 PM
..............I spend mine on racing, drinking and women.......

Probably not in that order  :-o .

Hey Doc I've been riding you a little and haven't really given you the credit you deserve for the design of the shifter.  Good work and get me pictures of all of it when you get a chance so I can add it to the page on my site about remote shifters. Way to go.

I'm still going to PM you about the spring on the shifter though,

Sum
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on December 05, 2007, 04:39:32 AM
..............I spend mine on racing, drinking and women.......

Probably not in that order  :-o .

Hey Doc I've been riding you a little and haven't really given you the credit you deserve for the design of the shifter.  Good work and get me pictures of all of it when you get a chance so I can add it to the page on my site about remote shifters. Way to go.

I'm still going to PM you about the spring on the shifter though,

Sum


order in the court.......

Ok Sum you have a choice of which line you  join, they are of equal length it just depends on what you want to do when you get to the front ....ride me ...or not offer me credit....so , who do ya wanna stand behind ...the boss types or the bank types??? :roll: :roll: :roll:

Today I got started on the home-style vacu-pan....welded a bung into one of the collectors....flared some stainless tube that was part of the booty that I collected and wended it( that's a word innit?) up through one of the few remaining spaces to where I'll put the valve on it....that tube is hard stuff..I had a go at it with my little tube bender and thought "nah , that's too useful to break on something I got for nothing".......so it got that old witches finger kind of look to it.......

I welded in the pretty little bits that the Rev made to shut up the frame?body/firewall junction......had to pump a bit of argon into a screw hole at one point when a ...er....bit of smoke appeared somewhere behind the bodywork....it's just the enamel we painted the frame with ....enough heat and it wants to flame...

Employing the scatter-brain approach that is yet to fail me ( some may differ) I also had a go at the piece of bodywork that was cut off the tub....I'm a little reticent to go for too high a degree of finish on this car for the time being because I know I'm going to be painting it more than a few times in the next couple of years and if I go the bleeding fingers effort now I know I'll be looking at it in April next year thinking " sheesh , why did I bother" every nick I fill will make the next scratch stand out more......right now as you may have noticed the car is in flat red( Piccardi...to be exact) anyone who thinks it would be better in gloss is welcome to come over when the big rub down starts ...all I can say is bring a sleeping bag and don' bring your phone because "she's got a bit of cellulite"


Hey Stainless, don't spend your money on women it's an insult to them ....get with the times ...give them the space to get a good paying job and let them spend their money on you , it's a liberating experience for everybody :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink:

dunno the exact source of this one but in should've been in the good book.......

The leader of the push he asked
"....would you let a woman keep you , and give up work for good"?

the bastard from the bush replied...

"bloody oath I would!"
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on December 05, 2007, 09:11:46 AM
It's the truth -- Nancy is going back to college right after first of the year to get training in a nice technical area of the medical field -- so that once I retire she can keep me in the manner I'm accustomed to being kept.  She's serious, too -- even though I'm hoping that when I "retire" we'll be well-off enough that we don't have to work again.

That feeling, however, sort of neglects the realities of land speed racing.  This ain't a cheap addiction. . .so I'm doing what I can to help her keep on target for that certificate in a couple of years.

Wait a minit -- this topic says "Australian Belly Tank".  What are we doing talking about my wife's plans?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on December 05, 2007, 03:32:19 PM
Hey Stainless, don't spend your money on women it's an insult to them ....get with the times ...give them the space to get a good paying job and let them spend their money on you , it's a liberating experience for everybody :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink:

I've been trying to get her work, but she has the regular expenses... nails, hair, shots....  :roll:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on December 06, 2007, 02:05:40 AM
all is not lost...ala P .Newman....

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:idWoCd4l4A4e9M:http://lib.store.yahoo.net/lib/carenginecare/Pull.jpg

there's more than one way to skin a cat... some good tournaments out there

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:sfCEh3TCIPNgRM:http://www.talariaenterprises.com/images3/6272a.jpg

good money here...

http://hometown.aol.com/vixensmistress/images/fairhillhorseshowz.jpg

might get you here Stainless........

http://a.abcnews.com/images/US/ap_helmsley_dog_070829_ms.jpg

now , that'd subsidize some decent speeds :roll:

ok ...B.O.T
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on December 06, 2007, 05:16:43 PM
What amuses me are those that say they have never paid for sex...

Brother, let me tell you, you ALWAYS pay for sex...

Amen

Reverend H+
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: frogpirate on December 06, 2007, 05:25:08 PM
The good Reverend posted:

"What amuses me are those that say they have never paid for sex...

Brother, let me tell you, you ALWAYS pay for sex..."

If you don't believe him, get divorced. You get to pay again retroactivly.  :x And again, and again, every month.

But I'm not bitter, no sirrie. Just don't ask me on the first of the month, m'kay?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on December 08, 2007, 11:16:21 PM
OK ....back  to job at hand( :roll:)..........Yesterday I altered the canopy on the car after considering the difficulty we would have in getting it open if the car were to find itself downside-up or even for that matter upside-down..It would seem likely that the canopy would be sprung and possibly torn off in such a violent accident but if not the car would need to be lifted clear off the ground in order to be righted .I say violent because of the dimensions of the car ...height v track-width .

I made some stainless pins with a hole for an R clip and put a compression-spring on each one to eject them when the clip is pulled .These pins are to replace the hinge pivots for the canopy. I will connect them with a piece of cable which will be accessible through the nose vent ......hope we never have to use 'em .

Top of the canopy is just below the front roll hoop, which is forward of the middle of the car.......upside down the car would be leaning nose up...
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/PA270048.jpg)

this shot shows the hinges ..this is an old shot certain details have changed ,the superstructure that supports the canopy is rudimentary here but the hinges are essentially the same.......

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/stewshots175.jpg)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on December 19, 2007, 08:39:10 PM
Guys keep up the great work-----I am thinking of re dooing my canopy---gives me soon good ideas
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on December 19, 2007, 09:15:52 PM
Hey Sparky
It was the Rev who spotted the Machi canopies ( which are about 5/8 thick)we used and realised we could cut the shape we were after out of them .....the Al strips are where we turned the sides down ever so slightly. Sumner has some great info on slumping and vac forming .  I'm sure you could find somewhere that sells plane parts or scraps them and has canopies that are scratched beyond usable condition....Then there is the option of contacting somebody who makes glider canopies....I'm sure the Rev will get on with more ideas......

Why don't you post a few shots of what you've already got because I'm not sure I've seen your canopy.

..... 8-)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on December 19, 2007, 09:38:28 PM
will do---its just flat bent around the curve on the sides---profile on Sums pages
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Sumner on December 19, 2007, 09:51:21 PM
...................Why don't you post a few shots of what you've already got because I'm not sure I've seen your canopy.. 8-)

http://purplesagetradingpost.com/sumner/bville-cars-5/2211-2006.html

Sum
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on December 19, 2007, 10:04:26 PM
will do---its just flat bent around the curve on the sides---profile on Sums pages

Could you aim for a segment of a cone shape so it's narrower at the top ? That could still be formed from flat sheet.........
Title: Belly Tank Disc-o!!
Post by: Dr Goggles on December 29, 2007, 03:57:21 AM
been a little slack here at Ranchero tanko.....but there has been a little progress......I built the vacu-pan arrangement , and got it fitted up  , and today I got started on the  moon caps..........at least Ive started on the inner caps, the static ones.....First I made a compass arrangement out of a piece of 1" strap with holes drilled so I could mark out the necessary concentric circles with a scriber....in hindsight the photo would have looked better if the measurements corresponded with the part if the tire they were sitting on....
(http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd35/Jarman-Stewart/PC290102.jpg)

 and blazed away with the ol' jig-saw.......When I grow up I'll have a real nice band saw with a rotating table but since the discs are fixed and don't need to be balanced they'll be fine as they are , I gave them decent clearance so we could use stick on weights on the inside  of the rim and not be grazing them , a bit of a clean up , and these should look alright.......

(http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd35/Jarman-Stewart/PC290104.jpg)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on December 29, 2007, 03:52:42 PM
On the subject of Moon discs what are the suggestions for mounting?..........We're thinking of welding M6X1 nuts around the very perimeter of the rim so that the disc is flush with the very edge of the wheel , any thoughts  on this would be much appreciated.......
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: 1212FBGS on December 29, 2007, 05:40:52 PM
hey sparky
here is a link to a canopy maker we are using on peg leg craigs sidecar liner http://www.toddscanopies.com/  he was very responsive, quick to deliver, reasonably priced, and pretty nice stuff.... ya gonna do anything with that ugly ass nose..?.. i mean on your lakester....
love ya
kent
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on December 31, 2007, 11:36:49 PM
Canopy--looks like this guy knows what he is doing---

Now if I cleaned up the Ratical's looks---why in the world would he want to be just another pretty face-- the way he looks now its hard to decide ---is his face or his RatzAzz UGLy'R---lol
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Sumner on December 31, 2007, 11:59:21 PM
hey sparky
here is a link to a canopy maker we are using on peg leg craigs sidecar liner http://www.toddscanopies.com/  he was very responsive, quick to deliver, reasonably priced, and pretty nice stuff.... ya gonna do anything with that ugly ass nose..?.. i mean on your lakester....
love ya
kent

Those are really nice canopies.  I can't see how he can make them for what he is charging.

c ya,

Sum
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 01, 2008, 04:33:11 PM
Looking at those prices and the costs I'd be surprised if they wouldn't have turned out as a viable option for us even with the freight down here...A huge amount of time went into the polishing let alone the building of our canopy and the irony was that we used the more scratched of the two candidates we had figuring we'd have a better one to use later...........I can't imagine this one breaking even if the cart went A.O.T.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 05, 2008, 07:52:16 AM
well , we've had a few days in a row on the 'tank and made a little progress , the moon discs and the inner discs took a bit of time...the rears had to be made in two pieces . This is them.....

(http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd35/Jarman-Stewart/P1050146.jpg)

we bought two types of outers , one set of the usual type Moon discs and then the Rev' saw some with a dimple in the middle of them which were exactly what he'd modeled when he did the original renders for the tank . The only problem was when we first tried the discs with the dimple they didn't fit because they were slightly concave and they hit the inner ring of the centers that we have in our wheels.....while pondering the problem it occurred to me that I could just "pop" them inside out...so I stuck them on the top of a garbage bin , gave them a bit of a shove and , hey presto they fitted just right .not only that but the part of the center that was in the way turned out to be the best way of mounting them......so instead of using Dzus , or welding nuts to the very outer rim of the wheels we drilled straight through the inner ring and welded stainless nuts on the inside of the center , put a countersink on them and it was done.They look like this..sweet and sour pork anyone?????

(http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd35/Jarman-Stewart/P1040110.jpg)

we also did some tidying up on cooling hoses but we'll save you the tedium of photo's there........................

We made air extractors for the side windows of the cab by cutting the perspex and heating it with a heat gun then using a beating dolly as a former to push the p'pex in to make a sort of "auto-bailer" shape.........thems lookem like dis...........

(http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd35/Jarman-Stewart/P1050139.jpg)


and finally we used the very tip of the bottom of the little bellytank that we halved to make our cowl and we made a scoop to go over the throttle bodies....it's not a tight fit before you all jump in and predict imminent doom.....and yes it will change but it will do for now .......

(http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd35/Jarman-Stewart/P1050136.jpg)

here it is again

(http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd35/Jarman-Stewart/P1050142.jpg)

 we also used the original filler for the bellytank as the body access for the fuel tank , more show than go but at least it's not one of those stickers you see on tuner cars.....

(http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd35/Jarman-Stewart/P1050143.jpg)

it's been hotter than blazes here...about 105 in your money.....not good for power tools , or even humans for that matter :wink: :wink: :oops: :| :-o

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on January 05, 2008, 07:50:31 PM
You guys have been busy----wish I were going to be there to watch you run!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on January 08, 2008, 07:05:21 PM
Thanks Sparky.

It is getting exciting now, only eight weeks to go...

Even if we break something on the first run, as long as the event is on and we are there and can relax in the beautiful outbackness of it all I'll be happy.

Hope to see you run one day too!

rH+
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 13, 2008, 06:18:42 AM
we built this....

(http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd35/Jarman-Stewart/P1130170.jpg)

so we could do this...

(http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd35/Jarman-Stewart/th_P1130174.jpg) (http://s227.photobucket.com/albums/dd35/Jarman-Stewart/?action=view&current=P1130174.flv)

it needs a catch and a release system , the piece of insulated wire and vise grips used in the video probably won't suffice.....
Title: thrash time , March looms.....
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 21, 2008, 12:36:40 AM
Ok , boy did I get some action over the 'chute doors , much concerned comment ( no, not just you Jack :oops:)from either side of the Pacific as to
1./ How were the doors to be opened?
2./ What would secure them and prevent them from "flapping around" once they were open?
3./ would they clear the chute if the car was pointing in any direction other than the intended one?
4./where was the 'chute to be anchored?
5./ WTF were we thinking?...if we indeed were.......

here's a shot of the chute bay from side on with one door closed as you can see the door when open is fully below the hinge line ( the doors are opened by the spring drogue), the difficulty in securing or restraining is that it travels through 180 degrees , you can see the anchor at the left which is attached to the rear frame of the car .....for the mean time I have decided to use a short piece of hinge as the catch from which a pin will be pulled by cable .At this stage we need to stick with the KISS principle on several items here and just get everything in place , a concealed release will come later.....We have been through many ideas for the door "staying open" device ...it will come , but right now I say Nothing!!....and no, springs aren't the solution.....

(http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd35/Jarman-Stewart/P1210199.jpg)

Next up we have the jaw-line bars in the cage , not yet a critical item in the rules here but I haven't liked the feeling when sitting in the cage when the top of the helmet hits the upper horizontals , now the helmet has an inch or so either side and strikes the padding on upper and lower bars simultaneously , they look short but if they are as long as they can be without hindering egress and we'd be looking at a lot of belt ( and neck) stretch to even get close to the end of them......

(http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd35/Jarman-Stewart/P1200187.jpg)[

Below is the home made vacupan arrangement which you can see wrapped up behind the headers and water pipe.....yes , we will be putting a heat shield under that rubber there :roll:

(http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd35/Jarman-Stewart/P1210197.jpg)

..............goin' late , and startin' early!

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Sumner on January 21, 2008, 01:38:07 PM
(http://purplesagetradingpost.com/sumner/bvilleother/chute-1.jpg)   

This is very similar to yours ( I think you saw it before) and has worked very well for these guys.

(http://purplesagetradingpost.com/sumner/bvilleother/chute-2.jpg)

Look at the large roller that the chute lines are hooked to in the pictures.  I would suggest you do away with the clevis pin you have in the picture and use something with a larger diameter.  The small diameter of the clevis pin won't fly with SCTA anymore and for good reason as the lines are stressed too much going around a small diameter.  I'm not saying what you have won't work as it has been used for years, but it doesn't take much effort to make it safer than that.

Are the pads around the helmet sfi. or something similar (soft/spongy or harder)?? 

Are you guys starting to feel rushed or do you have things under control??  I realize you are getting close to run time.  Any reports on the salt??  I wish I was able to come this year, but in '08 I'd better be there  :-).

As you have found out posting your build like you, I and others have done leaves yourself open to review to a bunch of people who can have varying opinions and ideas.  I've found it good, not that I've always followed what has been suggested to me, but it does make me look at something from a different angle and at times has gotten me past a difficult part of the build.

The best of luck to you guys,

Sum
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Glen on January 21, 2008, 01:46:27 PM
Dr. Goggles
Get rid of the chain shackle as they are weak and we have had several break at Bonneville over the years and the chute come off. The picture that Sum posted is a better way to attach the tow line to.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 21, 2008, 03:39:49 PM
I would suggest you do away with the clevis pin you have in the picture and use something with a larger diameter.  The small diameter of the clevis pin won't fly with SCTA anymore and for good reason as the lines are stressed too much going around a small diameter.  I'm not saying what you have won't work as it has been used for years, but it doesn't take much effort to make it safer than that.

Are the pads around the helmet sfi. or something similar (soft/spongy or harder)?? 

Are you guys starting to feel rushed or do you have things under control??  I realize you are getting close to run time.  Any reports on the salt??  I wish I was able to come this year, but in '08 I'd better be there  :-).

As you have found out posting your build like you, I and others have done leaves yourself open to review to a bunch of people who can have varying opinions and ideas.  I've found it good, not that I've always followed what has been suggested to me, but it does make me look at something from a different angle and at times has gotten me past a difficult part of the build.

The best of luck to you guys,

Sum

Ta Sum
 Yes the padding is SFI rated , in the space we had the options with what to do there were limited . As the cage was it met the rules however there were aspects that had me worried .I know that unless the helmet is isolated from the padding we might have vibration/visibility issues , hopefully the clearance we have will do ....as part of our team we are flying in an expert from Borneo who is a member of one of the head-shrinking tribes.

Fair comment on the shackle , I have wondered about the instantaneous load , the sustained loading wouldn't be a problem but at deployment...you may have something . At the moment prioritizing what we want to do AND what we have to do in the tiny amount of space that remains in the car is becoming increasingly difficult , it's like the fire alarm has gone off at the Jenny Craig clinic......
(http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:0GFpg7I612XdvM:http://www.freefoto.com/images/09/05/09_05_9---Cream-Cake_web.jpg)

I am wide open for comment here and willing to take all comers....the most appreciated is from those with the most experience who have devoted serious thought to what they have done , however , there is also some worth in the "dumb" questions that some people ask....even the strangest queries can make you think about something in fresh light or force you to justify or rationalize a decision .

It doesn't matter who asks the question or what it is the only guaranteed wrong answer is "I dunno" .

The salt is by all reports good to excellent , there has been enough water to dissolve the mud that wrecked it last year and although there have been heavy storms as long as there are no prevailing northerly winds in the week before the even it should be AOK.

The Rev. says to me sometimes ...." I get the feeling you're in "rush" mode?"...........Sum , I'm always in "rush" mode...... :wink:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on January 21, 2008, 06:02:49 PM
Thanks Sum, thanks Glen. All comments are appreciated.

And yes, again it feels like we are under the pump. The list on the blackboard has stuff crossed off each weekend, but it also seems like a few more items keep getting added balancing it out.

The good news is the car just keeps getting better, and safer. Faster? Well we'll burn that bridge when we get to it.

Doesn't help when I have a fifty hour week job and just bought a farm that needs some input too!

Six weeks to go, which is five weekends of work time available to go...

Nearly there. Four years of work.

rH+

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Sumner on January 21, 2008, 07:05:55 PM
.......................and just bought a farm that needs some input too.................

You should of consulted with me first  8-).  I could of told you all about milking cows twice a day getting the hogs back in the pen, wringing chickens necks, and taking care of horses that had less brains than the cows............

.............oh well I guess you will figure it all out............just make sure the Doc doesn't buy a farm also, then you would really be doomed  :cry:,

Can't wait to see the farm a year from now,

Sum
Title: Chicken neck
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 21, 2008, 07:12:28 PM
wringing chickens necks,
Sum

 :roll:...he's always "wringing the chicken's neck".......
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on January 22, 2008, 06:03:19 PM
Sum,
I wasn't aware of your hogs and chickens...

We want to have rare breed pigs to fight off that satan Monsanto. Don't get me started on GM food!!!

Anyway the Lady Hedgash bought 4 ducks and two chickens over Christmas and so I had to build a foxproof, snake proof hutch in 43 degree celcius heat (over 100 in ancient units) over the break.

What's the best way to kill a duck? I'm not too keen on the neck snapping method. Especially when the white one has been named after The Stig from BBC's Top Gear!

I reckon they'll be the most expensive dinner I've ever had.

Rev H+

Does anyone think this is too off topic?

Title: O.T , no way!!
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 22, 2008, 06:22:56 PM

Does anyone think this is too off topic?

Hey Reverend MacDonald ,
can you send some of your mates over , we need to get quacking on the paint job......

BTW I see people carrying on about GM food , don't see anyone complaining about Ford food ,

what gives?


Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Sumner on January 22, 2008, 10:11:34 PM
..............What's the best way to kill a duck? I'm not too keen on the neck snapping method.....

.........with a shotgun..............


I only wrung a couple chickens necks.  Pretty gross.  I used a hatchet on all the rest.  The chickens were the easiest to keep, but you do have to keep them penned at night, at least where I was or something was going to eat them.  They are at the bottom of the list as far as smart.  I went in the chicken house once and a skunk was eating one and the others just came in and jumped up next to the chicken eating skunk and went into a box to lay an egg.  The only one dumber than a chicken is someone who would shoot said skunk with a shotgun in the chicken house.  I won't name names, but you might know who I'm talking about,

Sum
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: wolcottjl on January 22, 2008, 11:03:30 PM
..............What's the best way to kill a duck? I'm not too keen on the neck snapping method.....

.........with a shotgun..............
Sum

And if the shotgun doesn't work you still end up wringing the neck.  Kind of sick when the head stays in your hand and the body goes flying, not under its own power. 

We used to duck hunt a lot when I was a kid.  One of the best places was on top of an old rock and earthen dam.  When dad shot a duck it was my job to go down the rocks and get it.  The dogs had a hard time getting down.  Not all of them were dead.  Found the quickest way to wring the neck was to swing the duck in a circle and jerk your arm up at the bottom of the arc.   This was when I was about 7, if I was to give my kids a half dead duck they would go into convulsions.   Times have changed. 


BTW - This is one of the threads I check every day.  Wish you the best of luck!  No matter how much time you have left it is never enough. 

Title: Propster
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 23, 2008, 01:09:14 AM
....so much for the saying "you lucky duck".......with chooks the tricks is to hang 'em upside down for ten minutes or so , they pass out , then you can separate the egg laying bit from the pecking bit without too much trouble.....I've only got one hen at the moment , Jackie , she's brown , Jack who was black turned up dead a while back and no, she was buried whole 'cause ya can't eat a six year old chook.

whichever way you choose to do it and whether it be dooks or chucks ( you know what I mean)   you're gonna have to get the feathers off, some duck shooters use a thing like a propellor...now , I know someone who's got just the thing and it 's mobile , well , kind of......try

propsterguy@aol.com 

Meanwhile the car is sitting out there in the shed , and the clock is ticking......

Yesterday I took our parachute to a " parachute guy" who checked it over , yes he said it is just what we want and it will provide 2g at 200mph , he's tidying up a few lines , putting on a kevlar shroud on the anchor line and making a new drogue.........
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: PJQ on January 23, 2008, 01:17:39 AM
Conditions at Lake Gairdner.
What, a deviation on the build tabloid.

Forum post and pics from guys that went to the lake at Christmas...
http://www.dlra.org.au/forum/viewtopic.php?t=735

And this sat map of the track is really cool (to anyone that's been there).
Thanks to Greg, the DLRA web site guy.
(http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e216/PJQ/track-google-earth.jpg)

.. back to the farm.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: hitz on January 23, 2008, 12:31:54 PM

  Dr G and the Rev,
   
    You may have the most known Belly Tank Lakester in the world and it hasn't even been on the lake yet! I love that it's home built and on a low budget.

    At 200 MPH with your scoop and louvers it may have a special sound also. Maybe whistle or hum.  :-D

    Thanks to Jon for his work on this web site and for both of you for keeping us all informed.

    If you haven't come up with a chute door controller yet, let me know an I'll send you a sketch to throw on the pile of ideas that you probably already have.     I have a sketch that only I can read but I could redraw it, scan and send it e-mail to you.

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 23, 2008, 01:04:11 PM

      At 200 MPH with your scoop and louvers it may have a special sound also. Maybe whistle or hum.  :-D

     I have a sketch that only I can read but I could redraw it, scan and send it e-mail to you.



done Harv' I PM'd you......as for the scoop , I think I mentioned earlier that the scoop isn't onto an airbox .........we're well aware of the issues associated with calculating the correct size scoop . As it was the boundary layer would have been beginning to separate as it came over the top of the car right about where the throttle bodies were poking through the cowl , we needed some type of intake . Without the time necessary to remap the fuel injection or, more specifically to do the calculations and then build something accurate we figured the simple solution for the mean time was to make something that at least stopped the air from flowing over the throttle bodies at 90 degrees , yes it's crude but we can partially block it up if need be whereas if we noticed the car suddenly losing power at a certain speed once we got to the lake ( remembering it's only done 100mph so far) then we'd be in trouble.

thanks to everyone for their contributions most of course to Mr Amo for maintaining the forum , and thanks for the interest.

Dr Goggles
DLRA #374

BTW here's a link to a "competing" forum where there were some beautiful unpublished photo's of Bob Roddicks including some rippers of the Brown/Hooper tank and a group shot of some of the seminal Bonneville cars.....
feast your eyes.....

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/?p=1606

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: JackD on January 24, 2008, 02:51:23 PM
Too small a shackle for the load will always be too small and risk breaking.
If you wish to increase the diameter if the pin at the point the lanyard goes around it, a simple slide on sleeve will do it.
The lanyard must always go around the straight pin or you have it backwards to the load.
The webbing is put into an uneven strain if it is installed around the rounded loop, as the ends are more highly stressed than the center.
It is like tearing some thing from the edges first.
Take a sheet of paper and pull straight on it across the entire width, and  then pull on it from the edges.
A lanyard anchor that is mounted in such a manner that it cannot follow the direction of pull as the chute moves around, is inviting failure also because the load will vary from side.
Do the same test as before, but this time with a piece of tape to simulate a flat lanyard working against a rigid mounting and a shackle that is allowed to move around.
If using a shackle with a screw in pin that spends most of it's life while not under load, secure it by backing it off from tight just a bit and take a tie wrap through the eye if the screw tab and around the base of the shackle.
Don't use a tool to tighten it. :wink:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on January 27, 2008, 08:37:50 AM
Quote
Don't use a tool to tighten it

So don't tighten it yourself

G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: JackD on January 27, 2008, 11:06:14 AM
Quote
Don't use a tool to tighten it

So don't tighten it yourself

G
Did I say "Tool" ?
I meant to say "FOOL".  :-D

GOTTCHA
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: ol38y on January 27, 2008, 11:36:00 AM
For what it's worth, the shackle pins that are not threaded but held in by a cotter pin are rated higher then the threaded ones...   :-D

Just my 2 cents
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on January 27, 2008, 09:48:50 PM
Quote
Did I say "Tool" ?
I meant to say "FOOL".

Jack
Quick translation
Ausralian Slang or "Strine" as it also known

Tool, Fool
In fact if look up Tool in the macquarrie {Australain} dictionary it links to this picture
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/Tankshotssep006.jpg)>

Grumm
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on January 28, 2008, 06:15:23 PM
I don't think that's quite accurate Grumm... I reckon a tool is a more of a tosser than a fool is, a fool is just an ignoramus.

Tank Update:
This weekend, (Australia Day weekend where we celebrate invasion day) we rebuilt our gear shifting arrangement in a more hand friendly actually-works kind of way. (see photo below)

Ideally we need to shorten the first gearstick a bit to maximise room, but it is a vast improvement. I have made a cardboard mock up for an aluminium cover plate that I'll cut out next week.

Gee, aluminium is good stuff isn't it? When we started we couldn't weld it and thought that we'd need to get someone in to work on the Al stuff, but now we pump it out all the time, give it a quick "rat polish" and on it goes. No paint and looks great.

Part of the blessing of building a slightly rat tank, is that we don't need to get everything to perfection. Small dints, scrapes, slightly messy welds are all more forgivable on the whole if everything is slightly ratty.

The really important thing for us is getting the overall lines right; the wheels in the right place, the centreline and "attitude" right.

The attitude is important for Hot Rodding, but a little different for LSR. We have tried to play a game of balancing the two. For ours we wanted the feeling of being light, (like the Ladybug belly tank) yet have a slight menace about it. The feeling of animal muscle was a good feeling.

Early on, we found a land based crocodile in Australia (now extinct) that apparently was very fast and could see that our car could have some of these attributes. Four wheels (legs) and a tail.

The louvers down its back came from the idea of vertebrae down the spine of a croc.

The next major design update will be the cockpit dressing. We designed the method of finishing this area but this may not be done for Speedweek 08. Essentially we want to carry the body crease (between the top tank of the back of the car and the lower tank) through into the lift up canopy and finish it there. Also we wish to put in a lower polished aluminium edge to the canopy glass.

This simplifies the geometry here visually and will improve the "face" of the car. The side windows were inspired by the side windows of chopped rods such as the gorgeous Pierson coupe and help merge the styles.

rH+
Speed Deacon





Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on January 29, 2008, 10:39:37 AM
Sum said "I wish I was able to come this year, but in '08 I'd better be there  ." Here's an update for you Sum. It IS '08. :roll: Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Sumner on January 29, 2008, 10:56:42 AM
So how does the shifter work now?  I see a flat on the one side.  Is that the side where you start in 2nd if I remember right and then pull it to the stop (neutral) then grab the other stick??

Sum said "I wish I was able to come this year, but in '08 I'd better be there  ." Here's an update for you Sum. It IS '08. :roll: Wayno

It can't already be 08 can it  :cry:,  I still thought is was '62,

Sum
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: dwarner on January 29, 2008, 11:10:45 AM
Who were you invaded by? Was it the convicts?

James Michner, the late novelist, died before he could write the book on Oz. Michner is where I learn most of my history. Just re-read Alaska, Joanie and I are going this Spring.

DW
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Sumner on January 29, 2008, 11:50:31 AM
..............Michner is where I learn most of my history...........DW

Me too!!  .............. and for SE Asia James Clavell.  Fires of Spring by Michner helped shape who I am.  I read it when I was about 20.  It was I think his first book and a semi-autobiograpy based somewhat on his life when he was growing up.  Went out of print, but then when he made it big it was reprinted and you can find it.  Not a great book, but I though a great "values" book.

You guys have fun in Alaska Dan,

Sum
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 29, 2008, 03:38:59 PM
You're all nuts , especially you Wayno , when are you bringing the tank over to play??

As for Australia Day......Is there not a day of the year when there isn't a "Day"?.....huh?.....I'm thinking of declaring a "Belly-tank" day and instituting a rich tradition of observance where complete strangers will knock on the doors of Belly-tank owners and offer to do any non Bellytank related work ( lawn mowing , around-the-house-fix-it-jobs and shopping "accompaniment")) , pay all accounts , sit for a period of fifteen minutes of quiet contemplation while listening to the owner/builder's stories of sacrifice and deprivation and then leave a cold six pack .

What say Wayno?

We weren't strictly invaded by convicts, the Aboriginals' ownership or stewardship of this country was a bit like a pontoon that people just kept piling onto and by sheer weight of numbers it went under. It was more of a "Lord of the Flies" experiment where the Brit navy just dumped a whole bunch of thieves and fighting types on the other side of the world thinking that by the fact that they were English they would populate and claim another land mass . We , whoever we are now have managed to dispel a lot of the transplanted traits although the British still think we're a franchise . In a strange twist we whip them at any sport they care to play ( except soccer and no-one cares about that) and use their cheap transient labor to staff our bars ........how things have changed :wink:

There has been a phenomenon known as the "History wars" between academics here as to the significance and absolute detail of much of what happened....there is a very real " Wounded Knee" aspect to the Aboriginal side of things here and the definitive book hasn't and may never be written. doesn't mean we don't have some great history it's just as they say it's usually written by the victors and no-one really knows who won.........

Now B.O.T

Yeah Sum that's roughly it ....and yes it is possibly to make the fatal mistake of going for third while second is engaged ....if the Rev mysteriously disappears sometime in early March you can safely bet that is what has happened .

I'm picking up our 'chute today from the parachute bloke where it has had a "little work", a new drogue and some tidying of the lines and a new panel.........
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Sumner on January 29, 2008, 04:13:28 PM
..................and yes it is possibly to make the fatal mistake of going for third while second is engaged .......

Could you put a latch on it so that when you pull it into neutral (after leaving 2nd) the latch falls down or is pulled in by a spring or something else.  This would lock it into position and might save the good rev. life  8-).  Just lift or pull the latch out to put it into gear at the line.

Or mill the bar with the flat in it so that the flat is stepped and locks when in neutral.

c ya,

Sum 
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 29, 2008, 04:35:34 PM
Could you put a latch on it so that when you pull it into neutral (after leaving 2nd) the latch falls down or is pulled in by a spring or something else.  This would lock it into position and might save the good rev. life  8-).  Just lift or pull the latch out to put it into gear at the line.
Or mill the bar with the flat in it so that the flat is stepped and locks when in neutral.
c ya,
Sum 
.....that doesn't stop  the immediate problem . If I had a little more time I'd swap the bell crank at the gearbox so that third and fourth were around the other way and put a link between the two sticks so It  wasn't possible to get to third with the other leaver pulled back. That was why initially I toyed with the idea of spring loading the lever against neutral so it had to held in 2nd but when the lock-out was flipped it would stay in first..........

the ideal solution for this ( and other parts of the car) are all fighting for space on the schedule, which right now , is short....... :oops:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on January 29, 2008, 06:55:09 PM
Dr Goggles, I'm trying real hard to be running next season some time. When I'll get down there is anybody's guess but it's on my list. Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on January 29, 2008, 08:54:47 PM
Hey!... are you guys dissing my stick work?

sheesh, so unkind...

If you want a good book on Australian history check out "The Fatal Shore" by Robert Hughes

reverend "H" gash
sinister minister
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: ol38y on January 29, 2008, 08:59:21 PM
Dr. G.

So for Belly Tank Day, to mow your lawn all we need is a can of gas and a match, right? I thought that's how ya'll did it down under... :-D

As far as history goes, we do have quite a bit in common. You started with convict labor, we ended up with convict politicians... :? I really enjoyed my time down under and sorry I couldn't hook up with you but maybe see if you could get rid of the fly's for next time. The dung beetles aren't workin.  :-o

Back to point. It looks like you're making good progress and good Lord willin, I'll make it back to see you run.

Yours in speed, Larry

Rev, you beat me to the post, I'll check it out, you guy's have an awsome history as well.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 30, 2008, 05:23:55 AM
/The feeling of animal muscle was a good feeling.
rH+
Speed Deacon


sheesh , what church are you FROM????????...........

BTW it seems the holy telephone is on the blink my holy man.....either that or my SMS's have been diverted to your accountant....I bought the color today ( sting red) and I picked up the 'chute , it's great ,but, my wallet is a weeping sore and requires dressing . In another development it seems that the pieces made to seal the lower firewall area need to be "modified " as the engine bay tub won't go back on ( I.S.Y.N)......ain't lookin' forward to getting that right.

hey Larry we'll see you when you get here , .....that's ok , I only stood out the front lookin' up and down the road for a day or so......








Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank and Ignorami
Post by: grumm441 on January 30, 2008, 06:56:42 AM
Quote
I don't think that's quite accurate Grumm... I reckon a tool is a more of a tosser than a fool is, a fool is just an ignoramus.

I used to work at this Ducati shop 'bout 12 years ago and some clown came in and called one of us an "Igarus"???

I believe the reply was "not as big of an Igarus as you mate."
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank and Ignorami
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 30, 2008, 02:47:24 PM
I used to work at this Ducati shop 'bout 12 years ago and some clown came in and called one of us an "Igarus"???
I believe the reply was "not as big of an Igarus as you mate."

.wasn't Igarus the guy who made his own wings......?......and then his max welted , something like that anyway........Or was he the guy who fronted the Stooges?

anyway , better an ignoramus than an ignoranus , cause they're just full of it..
Title: The Midnight hour looms............
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 04, 2008, 06:19:07 AM
It's 27 days according to PJQ and that's not much....Today I took the tail off and started to zip everything up around the fuel tank . There was a tiny leak around the fuel line at the bottom of the tank and I hadn't yet made a mount for the fuel filter. I did those things and then lagged all the lines in the tail section with fibreglass ( that's how we spell it here) and foil tubing . I made a better breather too, it goes to a hole in the floor so that there is no chance of it spewing fuel onto the exhaust which is what I suspect may have happened at the T&T day.....I won't elaborate on what else happened to that breather but suffice to say I think a steel one is better and it is very well secured too.After that I replaced the cement sheet and aluminium sandwich which we made to act as a heat shield over the exhaust union  At the airstrip test and tune day we hadn't yet put a floor in the tail section ( a triangular piece a yard long and six inches at the front)and as the original fuel tank went much further back and down ,the exhaust hung very low , so low in fact that it turns out that it won't fit now I have put a floor in.The other issue with the exhaust is that it has a long unsupported section from the union behind the rear bulkhead to the tip of the tail .This has been a source of some friction between the Rev and I , If there was any superstructure there it would be easy to keep the pipe where we want it .....However because the bodywork needs to be taken off in order to weld the pipe when adjustments are made it becomes a tedious and imprecise .....The Rev bought a flexible section , which of course won't solve the problem ...because, the pipe is unsupported ....are ya gettin me? I had one of those moments late this afternoon when I thought to myself  " pack up now, you're annoyed and you'll end up wrecking something..."

Tomorrow I go and buy another piece of 3inch exhaust tube and , make , another tail-pipe :x The only saving grace is that with the doors cut for the 'chute I can do it all from the top ....and compared to lying underneath the car that's bloody luxury . 

I 've also been tidying up the axle shrouds on the tail section , they look great ....they make it nearly impossible to get it on and off now.... :oops:..... In time we will have this all sussed out , maybe cutting the tail section into two pieces might be the solution, but the time is not now........another job on the card today was a tinker with the canopy latches , the Rev had made some bungs that I hadn't got around to which the skin mounts onto the frame around the screen with .Of course as soon as you even look at the canopy the latches get fussy....I gave the cable release a bit more slack a they seem to be better than ever now.....

On the weekend the Rev made a cover for the gearshift which has graduated from prototype to bimbotype( dunno if it works any better but it looks great) , we have the new aluminium sticks and lock-out shaft. The new steering wheel has been kidnapped by Vaughn our tame fitter and turner in order to tart it up and finish off the center cap he made for it , it certainly looks better than the cut down and bent Mazda wheel we had.......even if it was just hacked out of 10mm plate by a hill-billy with a jig-saw( moi :wink:)...right now that's about all i can think of...........but there is I can assure you all , more to come :wink: :wink:
Title: Re: The Midnight hour looms............
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on February 04, 2008, 05:26:47 PM
.....The Rev bought a flexible section , which of course won't solve the problem ...because, the pipe is unsupported ....are ya gettin me? I had one of those moments late this afternoon when I thought to myself  " pack up now, you're annoyed and you'll end up wrecking something..."

I said it before and I'll say it again... the tail section can hold the pipe!!! You just need to get the other end remotely near the centreline of the car (and we can put superstructure at the rear of the diff).

Now get back into that shed and don't break anything. If the option is using a grinder or hitting it with a hammer, use the grinder.

Sheesh, talk about airing dirty laundry!!!

reverend "H" gash
Title: Re: The Midnight hour looms............
Post by: Sumner on February 04, 2008, 11:23:06 PM
.....The Rev bought a flexible section , which of course won't solve the problem ...because, the pipe is unsupported ....are ya gettin me? I had one of those moments late this afternoon when I thought to myself  " pack up now, you're annoyed and you'll end up wrecking something..."

I said it before and I'll say it again... the tail section can hold the pipe!!! You just need to get the other end remotely near the centreline of the car (and we can put superstructure at the rear of the diff).

Now get back into that shed and don't break anything. If the option is using a grinder or hitting it with a hammer, use the grinder.

Sheesh, talk about airing dirty laundry!!!

reverend "H" gash

You guys going to the salt in the same vehicle  8-).  How long does it take to get there  :evil:  At least you're not married  :-P,

Sum
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: PJQ on February 05, 2008, 12:53:26 AM
Work on something else - put the chute aside till next week - we've got the club meeting on Sundee, and an afternoon of bench racing BS. That'll invigorate the soul, fuel the grey matter, activate the engineering genes.

I'm driving that crazy Queenslander #66 to the airport after the club meet. If you don't behave we'll drop around for a look-see and you'll cop a load of his opinionated rhetoric. That thought's enough to slap anybody into line.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: JackD on February 05, 2008, 02:35:07 AM
Not married you say, but they have a baby ?! :?
Title: Alum,money, livin' in sin...
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 05, 2008, 03:09:44 PM
I'm not going near that whole get up of marriage jokes , sure it's a mich rein to vine or whatever but there's more impotent things at hand ( :oops:)....
Work on something else - put the chute aside till next week - we've got the club meeting on Sundee, and an afternoon of bench racing BS. That'll invigorate the soul, fuel the grey matter, activate the engineering genes.
I'm driving that crazy Queenslander #66 to the airport after the club meet. If you don't behave we'll drop around for a look-see and you'll cop a load of his opinionated rhetoric. That thought's enough to slap anybody into line.

right now I can't put anything to the side ...I've started from the back and am assembling the car to ready it for paint , the tightening of gaps has brought up some fiment/mounting issues that weren't there before and I need enough "clearance " so as not to destroy the paintwork during any dismantling .I haven't yet made the cable release for the chute but other than that the tail is done . Next is the gearbox breather , then the additional extinguisher lines , a new idler for the belt( the one we have isn't beefy enough and was the probable cause of a spat belt at Mangalore).

As for Bob , I'm going to get a bourbon and coke can , put some marbles in it so it's noisy and hang it off a long rubber band in the shed , he'll be so distracted he won't be able to talk let alone bother us about the tank......
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 06, 2008, 10:10:28 PM
...

,...... , ..., OK , enough of that :roll:
today I put in a concealed catch on the 'chute doors and did a rough installation of a solenoid to trip it , which ,much to my delight, worked first time  :-D

However in a moment of light relief before I put the solenoid on I had a piece of mig wire attached to it , I packed the 'chute in , loaded the drogue on top( I need to do some weight training) and managed to get the doors shut and engage the catch .So , I'm standing there staring at it , wire in my hand ( I'd already unlatched it a few times without the 'chute in there) and thought  " gee , that fit could be a little tighter" and lent in to look at it ...


I got THAT close I swear before a voice in my head said " s*&#t don't pull it now"...... I get the feeling my dear departed father was somehow tugging on my elbow trying to pull the catch so the drogue got me square in the face....
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on February 06, 2008, 11:46:43 PM
Good thing you were wearing goggles :-D :-D :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 09, 2008, 03:06:33 AM
....as I just posted elsewhere on this forum ,there is ,at this moment a hold on Lake Gairdner 2008 , the surface is soft , there may be a re-schedule but it doesn't look good.

I am very sad.

Just this afternoon we had Geoff Izzard ( a new DLRA member and lakester builder ) and his dad Ken over to check out the car.....Ken is a well known midget builder ...I came inside and sat down to check out the forums , particularly the update on the surface at Gairdner and the news was bad , all bad. :-(
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on February 09, 2008, 10:07:18 AM
DG and group from down under, maybe they will just give you another month to get finished.  I saw everyone was "getting pissed"  and then remembered that might mean you are drinking....  :|

If you do get "wetted" out, start looking at the car for improvements and a nice stretch of road to do a little more testing...  :roll:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: JackD on February 09, 2008, 11:44:57 AM
This should reaffirm your resolve to put together some Maxton type events that will serve to bring the club closer together and take the edge off of the disappointment the weather cycle has to offer.
You are still at the "baby steps" phase and at least your Salt Flat is not subject to man made deterioration (politricks included) as well as the weather.
Bonneville has the reputation for being the tallest kid on the block, but too tall approaches "Geek" status , and a lot of the real trouble is right at your feet.
A blast down a public road to test what you built or get it out of your system is a bad idea for a lot of reasons you already know better.
Use the energy to put together smaller events that will work towards getting everything together for the long course. :wink:

 
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 09, 2008, 04:01:12 PM
If as it looks the meet doesn't go ahead I have decided to take the time to go over to Sth Australia and check out another of the salt lakes in the area of Gairdner. If you look at this map

http://maps.google.com.au/maps?ie=UTF8&z=5&ll=-25.335448,135.745076&spn=31.154942,45.834961&om=1

, find Woomera which is Nth and slightly west of Adelaide ,there is a lake called Island Lagoon just south of it . Going there and doing a GPS plot and some hand auger core samples might be worth , something............

there will definitely be a bigger push for an airfield meet but whether it is Mangalore where we were in October remains to be seen......

DG and group from down under, maybe they will just give you another month to get finished.  I saw everyone was "getting pissed"  and then remembered that might mean you are drinking....  :|

If you do get "wetted" out, start looking at the car for improvements and a nice stretch of road to do a little more testing...  :roll:

....always the hot-rodder :roll: :roll:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 10, 2008, 03:50:05 PM
We had the DLRA six monthly meeting yesterday , many long faces ( giddy-up!) ....there was a general sense of disbelief mixed with the acceptance that on top of all the difficult factors involved in this variety of motor-sport there is the strange and as yet not fully understood nature of the salt lake .Is it a tidal effect linked to the moon cycle ? is it just the groundwater flow ? There has been very little rain on and around the Lake Gairdner area and the lake doesn't have any large tributaries so after seeing shots of the surface and hearing reports about how hard it was at Christmas time it came as a shock to hear it was so soft that a 4WD got bogged on it on Saturday.

Bob Ellis our Queensland delegate mentioned that there is a salt lake forming in Queensland and it may well be usable within the next 100,000 years which is a relief .He did though mention that they are close to establishing an airfield meeting at Stanthorpe in southern Queensland.

Members from all over the country are offering suggestions as to alternative venues , there are some probable alternatives but they all have their own particular problems, none are as big and none are close to major towns except one in Western Australia but that's nearly 2000 miles from the East coast where most of the members are and it's only good for a five mile straight.

On the bright side though it was good to go to the meeting ( fellow sufferers group) and catch up with all those members who aren't regulars on the club message board and talk about our rides. Our tank has created a bit of interest and it was great to able to discuss the build , some of the recent changes and what's in store with the other tank owners and builders.

Still pretty cut up though.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on February 10, 2008, 09:35:24 PM
Gee. Four and a half years of thought, development and construction (and leaking wallets) and still no fun bit...

Another year?!?? Ouch!

This raises a few tricky questions.

The main one being do we ditch the Commodore V6 and go the Alloytec 190 that we have?
We have done so much to get this current motor sorted with heat shields, vacuum scavenging, upgraded springs being the most recent. Do we ditch this work for an engine which is more powerful but far more complicated?

Also need to spend a bit on getting the extra bits we need to make it go... so it just feels like a waste of money if we don't use the one we have prepared.

As I write my feeling is to finish off everything else to the best of it's ability before opening this new can of worms:

I haven't given up hope for this year yet. Let's hope the visit in March proves a miraculous hardening of the surface and away we go!

rH+







Title: Parachute safety net
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 13, 2008, 08:18:03 PM
There was a post recently elsewhere on the site about a safety net  that I think may have been used at El Mirage made from webbing with chutes attached to capture cars that had overshot....I couldn't find it .

Can anyone help me with a description or better still a photo of this or a similar device. Thanks .
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: JackD on February 13, 2008, 08:59:45 PM
The net you are speaking of was likely the one built by Stroud.
I only saw it used once on the salt when course conditions required return runs be made in the direction of the dike and stopping was more urgent than with the typical roll out distance available.
It was built like what you see on some Drag Strips that are a bit short to accommodate the fastest vehicles.
Unlike a catch net on some runways that are dampened with an inertia wheel, this was used with parachutes that deployed from the pull on an anchor point.
An option to that if you were in the need for an emergency area to stop at the end of a runway for example, would be a sand trap.
Airports usually have some distance beyond the pavement that is leveled and a sand trap might also help them.:wink:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Glen on February 13, 2008, 09:14:46 PM
Jack is right that Stroud made it. It was two chutes mounted in a tube on each side of the course in the shut down area. There was a net that you would drive into and deploy the chutes to stop. The BMW liner drove around it and went into the dyke. Another who I wont name said he would not use it because he was afraid the net would trap him under it and he could not get out of his car. I still think it's a good idea. It is owned by USFRA.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 13, 2008, 09:19:26 PM
thank you Sirs,
the help is always much appreciated

I was wondering about it because we will definitely be having a few airstrip meets this year , a device like you described could no doubt make it safer and the turn around quicker than having to drag cars back from the boonies with a tractor or something....

Meanwhile on the DLRA site there has been much gnashing of teeth and waving of canes......There are some of us who believe that the lake is affected by tidal influences on the groundwater and so believe that the lake is more likely to be soft during a full moon. After speaking to a few "locals" i have now heard a bit of anecdotal evidence that backs this theory up.... Greg Wapling the webmaster  of the site is encouraging people to seek out as much data and research as we can . Knowing the annual cycles , how the ground water level affects the surface , the average daily temps and what the probability of rain , certain winds , and Keith Turk hearing about the meet is will make for a better and more likely meet.....

http://www.dlra.org.au/forum/viewtopic.php?t=772
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 13, 2008, 09:21:13 PM
oh yeah...... :wink:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: JackD on February 13, 2008, 09:40:46 PM
The chemistry makeup of the natural surface varies quite a bit with respect to the ability to handle moisture.
When the Bonneville Salt Flat was less depleted, the water could be just 1 inch below the surface and the heat of the day would bring it above the surface and we actually ran at speed through bits of standing water.
The white stuff we have now turns to grease with the least bit of moisture and rock hard if it is too dry, and that makes it difficult to groom.
El Mirage has not suffered the same mining fate but the lower water table from the growth in the area has reduced it's ability to maintain a usable surface.
Even the dry lake bed at Edwards (Muroc) has large cracks from the lower water table that would require a lot of work to make suitable for use.
Yours is a natural cycle and ours is more of a human touch.
We feel your pain :x
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 18, 2008, 05:36:54 AM
BTW Jack I have nearly nailed the 'chute door anxieties.........I had made some little spring loaded tubes that overshot the hinges preventing the doors from rebounding , they worked well.However like all the other spring ideas I had they load the doors unnecessarily  and made the packing of the 'chute and the closing of the doors a bit messy too.My next bright idea sounds complicated but I am going to make small air-rams instead of the spring loaded ones. Once the doors open it will release a micro switch sending power to one of those little compressors that run air horns , these will operate in the same way.With the doors half open they will be pressing against them but once the doors go beyond 90 degrees they will overshoot the hinge stopping the door from returning , the air charging will only need to work til they reach this point , I haven't quite nutted it out yet but there will be a further way of switching out the compressor....maybe I'll just hook some horns up to a relief valve :-D :-D.The advantage is they will be unloaded when the doors are shut .

After mucking around with it for a long time I decided that the spring drogue puts more than enough pressure on the doors and the catch works fine with the amount of pressure it is under , didn't want anymore......this picture is the catch with the release cable which runs down to a solenoid .

(http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd35/Jarman-Stewart/P2180271.jpg)

I can hear a rumbling......Jack?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: JackD on February 18, 2008, 08:50:54 AM
Skip fireball electric and go all the way straight to some brake line tubing that uses hardware store mini cable like you might use on a throttle, and is operated with a handle.
The business end can be spliced to a hard wire and even something as complex as a return spring can be installed over the line to cause it to stay in place better when not in use.
A very famous streamliner car had the electronic whiz bang model actuate at the starting line the first time , and dump the clean laundry on the dirty ground. 

"Over time, and over complexity, sometimes causes over doing, that often results in premature done, with no easy fix." (me) :wink:

For the device that keeps the doors open, and limits their travel, make an over center linkage from flat stock that won't return without a human touch once they have been activated.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Sumner on February 18, 2008, 11:47:40 AM
.................. go all the way straight to some brake line tubing that uses hardware store mini cable like you might use on a throttle, and is operated with a handle............................

Thanks Jack, just the solution to a couple things I need to do.  I'll have to take back all, well at least some, of the bad things I've been saying about you  :evil:.  Have fun on your "date" in Portland,

Sum
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: JackD on February 18, 2008, 12:36:24 PM
Air horns are great for the return road, and herding spectators away that tend to crowd your space.
My favorite is the person that has not recovered from bumping his head on the hood yet , and is already grabbing his chest. :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 18, 2008, 03:46:10 PM
Skip fireball electric and go all the way straight to some brake line tubing that uses hardware store mini cable like you might use on a throttle, and is operated with a handle.
The business end can be spliced to a hard wire and even something as complex as a return spring can be installed over the line to cause it to stay in place better when not in use.

That is the method upon which our canopy release relies , works well. However , the route to the cab from the tail is a "wong and linding woad" past many hot spots ...adding that to the necessity to make a handle in an accessible spot within reach pushed us toward the electrickery in order to be ready for the now not happening event.

A very famous streamliner car had the electronic whiz bang model actuate at the starting line the first time , and dump the clean laundry on the dirty ground.

A very famous two wheel BGS did that here......I seen it , I'm quickly becoming convinced............ 

For the device that keeps the doors open, and limits their travel, make an over center linkage from flat stock that won't return without a human touch once they have been activated.

Because of the shape of the tail at that point the path of the doors as they open is not perpendicular to the centreline , so far our efforts in that style haven't really done the bizzo....the doors travel through 180 degrees meaning that the linkage needs to go somewhere when the doors are closed and not be in a position to become entangled in the "linen"...........

Air horns are great for the return road, and herding spectators away that tend to crowd your space.
My favorite is the person that has not recovered from bumping his head on the hood yet , and is already grabbing his chest. :-D

ahhh the air horn is King when....

1./ someone is working on a hot motor.
2./ someone is working on live electrics under the hood
3./ in the car next to you is the person who has been winding all over the road ....and they are STILL talking on their mobile....with their window down
4./ you see two people who DEFINITELY aren't meant to be in the same place at the same time , don't forget to wave!
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: JackD on February 18, 2008, 04:19:55 PM
The air horn is really fun when 2 people are doing each other , in the same place, at the same time. :-D
The brake line tubing is easy to route with no tools, can be joined or terminated with a coupling for easy removal in segments, and stand a lot of heat.
The handle or tab to actuate can be very small and you won't need much lever action mechanical advantage to do the job.
I think I remember Howard N. built a sliding bar with a small tab bent out at the end and no mechanical advantage like you might get with a lever handle.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on February 18, 2008, 10:44:38 PM
I'm depressed.

The spirit of sunshine is dark and gloomy.

The cancellation of the event has coincided with a mess of other trivial misses, losses and rudenesses and all combined I am as low as low can be.

Not even reading Landracing cheers me up.

Back on deck soon.

rH-



Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on February 18, 2008, 11:25:48 PM
REV, DON'T JUMP... STEP BACK AWAY FROM THE LEDGE, RACING WILL RESUME ....  :-D
 
How'd I do?  Feel better  8-)

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on February 19, 2008, 12:01:49 AM
Yeah I know... It's not the be-all and end all. Especially when there are so many out there with so much less: less opportunity, less health, less freedom, less blah.

But I was kind of hanging together with everything else in the world by following this dream. When DrG and I started this enterprise we had a chat. Believe it or not it was in an old graveyard in Castlemaine near where we had just inspected and purchased the belly tank, the first step of our journey.

We stopped there because I like graveyards as a recorder of struggle and hope (and of loss) and we discussed why we were entertaining the idea of doing this project. We only roughly knew each other as I had gone out with his cousin for a number of years previously, and another cousin musician of his was a friend, and so here was a chance having just committed financially with the purchase of the first bit to chat about our attraction to the concept.

Interest in mad petrol headed humorous design schemes aside, our discussion revolved around the relative meaninglessness of contemporary Australian life and the desire to make our own meaning.

Australia is probably one of the most secular countries on the planet, with one of the highest suicide rates in both the young and old age brackets, and having suffered the loss of friends from this blight we wondered whether they would have been so keen to go if they simply had a project that they were interested in like this.

Also being social drifters it was a chance to latch onto a project with identifiable rewards within an interesting new community of people. (This forum being an unexpected discovery).

I don't think either of us envisioned being committed to the level of effort that we have over the past four and a half years and believe that we lied to ourselves about (in addition to not fully understanding)  the reality of the project to be able to do it at all. My building relationship with Dr G has lasted a year longer than my longest relationship (the good lady 'gash and I have only been together 3 years).

Throughout this time I have been battling persistent black moods from stress and overwork and the major saving grace has been the dream of the tank. Sunday, tank day, became a ritual to look forward to at the highest emotional level, and even though it has impacted socially over the years it usually takes precedence to most other activities with the promise that we would be running soon and things would calm down and I could then spend more time with family and friends.

So it is not just a race. It is not just a hobby. It has become a foundation for a lot of other things in my life to be able to reside on and hopefully an example for others that you can make dreams come true with a little application.

The not being able to race affects me to my core. But yes, there will be next year, and hopefully one day a grand pilgrimage to Bonneville with the car when it's sorted.

I look forward to these things.

Thanks for your note Robert, I am OK. Just needed to vent amongst those that understand.

rH

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 19, 2008, 02:45:36 AM
I think I would have struggled to say that better myself.......

It's all true.

We will rock Rev' , just not right now .......
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on February 19, 2008, 06:44:33 AM
you should be where i am

Hey Stew

What about using an EH rear window or an austin bonnet strut. they always stay open when you don't want them to
g
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on February 19, 2008, 09:56:07 AM
Rev and Doc, not to worry, I can see by your posts you merely have the addiction that must be fed.  Rev, you expressed it very well, this can and does consume you.  People that have done this for a long time feel your pain, we went raceless in 82-83 and again in 93-94.  The craving for going fast can be all consuming, especially if you build from scratch and want to see what you ended up with.  Committing to this adventure is a way of life, you will never stop thinking of things to try to go faster. 
But that is LSR and luckily this website helps a lot of us get to the next race. 
Your build has helped show a lot of folks that it can be done, and given a lot of folks the opportunity to share experience and experiences.  If you can't race this year, you will have an easy prep for next year, unless of course you dig back in and decide to change things that you feel you can improve.  We had the car ready to race in 93, when the race was cancelled, we spent the week taking the car apart, changed, fixed, painted and updated.  Got it back together for 94, then found the races were canceled a couple of days before, so we tore back into the car and changed a few more things.  In 95, about 6 years after our first run over 200, we put Johnboy (speedlimit 1000) in the club at 221 with a 1 liter fuel motor.  As I have said in previous posts, this sport takes patients  :roll: (often mental patients)  :roll: to continue.  Yea, I spelled it wrong on purpose, because we have the sickness that keeps us doing this year after year, success or failure.  Yep, you got it too, I can tell  :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: JackD on February 19, 2008, 10:57:10 AM
I guess I could work towards saying something profound but you guys are already finding it yourselves, and sharing it with others.
Isn't that the most satisfying part anyway, and the real lasting objective ? :wink:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on February 20, 2008, 11:12:09 PM
I feel your---no OUR pain-- :cry:--I just don't know what to say-- :roll:--but there is the LURE of the next race!!---minimums, weather, track conditions,scruitneers, and WILD Animals---can eventulally be surmounted-- :-D--if we keep the faith and go to the next race PREPARED as best we know how to be!!!!!!!!!!!!  hope to meet you in OZ some day and see you guys and your car in person!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 20, 2008, 11:36:24 PM
Thanks Sparky it'd be great to see you here.....you know I've been thinking a trip to the States could be just what I need after the last two cancellations ......so draw the shades and act like y'all ain't home :-D.

Yesterday one of the local hot-rod mags came out with a feature that went to press days before the cancellation and it has a picture of our tank at the test and tune day in it ....you know" Dr Goggles and Rev. Hedgash's bellytank will make it's debut ...etc"......" Yeah , you beauty , hooray F' " I thought ,"If only!!"............... :wink:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Sumner on February 20, 2008, 11:43:29 PM
Thanks Sparky it'd be great to see you here.....you know I've been thinking a trip to the States could be just what I need after the last two cancellations ......so draw the shades and act like y'all ain't home :-D......

Hey what a great idea, I've got room and no shades   8-) .  I'll have to see if I can get Sparky to go over there with me next year,

Sum
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: doug odom on February 21, 2008, 01:21:40 AM
Hey Rev, You will find that it is the journey and not the destination that is important. I've been racing something some where M/C, sports cars, Nascar...etc sense I was 16. Yep 50 years   lol  and I still am looking forward to what I can get done ( bucket list) so you have lots of time left. You will be fine, just think of all the little things you will have time to do right now.
Doug Odom in big ditch
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: whitworthsocket on February 24, 2008, 06:41:54 AM

Members from all over the country are offering suggestions as to alternative venues , there are some probable alternatives but they all have their own particular problems, none are as big and none are close to major towns except one in Western Australia but that's nearly 2000 miles from the East coast where most of the members are and it's only good for a five mile straight.

Hello Dr Goggles & Rev,
I live in WA can you tell me the name/ location of the 5 mile straight. The job I am at
  http://www.fmgl.com.au/IRM/content/project_imagegallery.htm   is supposed to be coming to an end and I would be interested in driving to said location for a look.

I can understand your depresion. I used to go in the Avon descent a weekend 180km down river canoe surfski and small powerboat race. Six months of training five nights a week. We got caught in a rapid my collegue hurt his back and the double ski was badly damaged at about 3/4 distance on the second day. The exhaustion along with the dissapointment was a very bitter pill.

Maybe the old maxim "If it doesnt kill you it will make you stronger" will work


Regards Whitworthsocket
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 24, 2008, 03:37:29 PM
Hey Whitworth,
The lake I was talking about is Lake Lefroy south of Kalgoorlie . There have been a couple of images posted on the DLRA message board lately.

http://www.dlra.org.au/forum/viewtopic.php?t=772&start=45

If there was an event there it would be prohibitive for most of the East coast people unless we shared semi's to get there.Even so if it takes 6000k's to race who am I to complain.

Next week I'm going to go over to Gairdner and also check out Island Lagoon which is just south of Woomera and with a bit of luck do a GPS plot across it so at least someone can say " I drove across it and have the plots for a seven mile straight track".........I just have to go there , I need to see salt , stand on it ....feel like I've been there ...otherwise it just  starts to feel like forever since I've stood on the good stuff.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Sumner on February 24, 2008, 03:42:56 PM
..........Next week I'm going to go over to Gairdner and also check out Island Lagoon which is just south of Woomera and with a bit of luck do a GPS plot across it so at least someone can say " I drove across it and have the plots for a seven mile straight track".........I just have to go there , I need to see salt , stand on it ....feel like I've been there ...otherwise it just  starts to feel like forever since I've stood on the good stuff.

Hey you should think about taking the tank and using it to drive across the salt to do the GPS plot  :-),

Sum
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on February 24, 2008, 04:23:25 PM
Next week I'm going to go over to Gairdner and also check out Island Lagoon which is just south of Woomera and with a bit of luck do a GPS plot across it so at least someone can say " I drove across it and have the plots for a seven mile straight track".........I just have to go there , I need to see salt , stand on it ....feel like I've been there ...otherwise it just  starts to feel like forever since I've stood on the good stuff.

Never say die, Dr. G.  Godspeed on your trip - post us some pics when you get back?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 24, 2008, 11:21:25 PM
Hey you should think about taking the tank and using it to drive across the salt to do the GPS plot  :-),
Sum

don't tempt me.....
Never say die, Dr. G.  Godspeed on your trip - post us some pics when you get back?

will do
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: ol38y on February 24, 2008, 11:34:50 PM
Hey you should think about taking the tank and using it to drive across the salt to do the GPS plot  :-),
Sum

don't tempt me.....
Never say die, Dr. G.  Godspeed on your trip - post us some pics when you get back?

will do


I'm with Sum, and don't forget the pics...  Remember you have to come back eventually!!! :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Lynchy on February 25, 2008, 02:02:02 AM
Dr G

Take more water than you can carry and let the coppers know where you are. It'd be nice to meet one day.

Lynchy
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: whitworthsocket on February 25, 2008, 10:01:33 AM
Dr Goggles,
I did a Google earth search of Lake Lefroy. It looks promising its a pity about the causeway across the middle.
With all of the mining around that area and the land yachts it may be difficult getting clear access.


Hey Whitworth,
The lake I was talking about is Lake Lefroy south of Kalgoorlie . There have been a couple of images posted on the DLRA message board lately.

http://www.dlra.org.au/forum/viewtopic.php?t=772&start=45

If there was an event there it would be prohibitive for most of the East coast people unless we shared semi's to get there.Even so if it takes 6000k's to race who am I to complain.

Next week I'm going to go over to Gairdner and also check out Island Lagoon which is just south of Woomera and with a bit of luck do a GPS plot across it so at least someone can say " I drove across it and have the plots for a seven mile straight track".........I just have to go there , I need to see salt , stand on it ....feel like I've been there ...otherwise it just  starts to feel like forever since I've stood on the good stuff.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: PJQ on February 25, 2008, 11:18:04 PM
Right-oh, that's cracked it!
Was going to be sensible, stay home, save $, work on unfinished projects... 

"The Mongrel" leaves early Monday! Wanna lift Doc?

Arrive Lake G on Tuesday arvo. 
Leave Lake G Wednesday midday, arrive Woomera Wednesday evening.
Poke around Island Lagoon Thursday and Friday.
Leave Woomera area Friday midday, arrive Silverton Pub Friday evening?
Satdee - head home.

Of course, there'll be the temptation to stay at Lake G with the other guys that show up for the working bee.
Bottle of Jammie and I ain't driving the next day. Could be dangerous at Lake G.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 26, 2008, 02:53:45 AM
 signed , sealed ,delivered,

I'll be waitin' out t' front!
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on February 26, 2008, 08:06:30 AM
what an "outing"-- :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: JackD on February 26, 2008, 09:40:31 AM
what an "outing"-- :-D
Don't "out' everything.
At least keep your pants on. 8-)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: PJQ on February 26, 2008, 05:04:15 PM
Oi, it's rough Outback, one needs companionship.
Mrs. Goggles will be on-board, right?

(that oughta throw em off the scent)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 26, 2008, 06:44:16 PM
what an "outing"-- :-D
Don't "out' everything.
At least keep your pants on. 8-)

Gimmee a break Jack , you know me ......you're making me sound like the kind of guy who'd pose naked on a push-bike with a beer can in his hand!

Ive got standards you know...... :roll:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: JackD on February 26, 2008, 07:01:29 PM
I know you have standards, but if you held the can around where the label was readable, we could have sold a lot more posters, not to mention the advertizing revinue we lost.
Smoking the "FAG" with the logo showing would have really added to the net also.
Ferd assures me that he can Photo Shop all that stuff in, but can I trust him ? :-(
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 26, 2008, 07:31:04 PM
....how unprofessional of me .....fortunately I have a chance now to make amends.....pack the cameras , we're off to the desert.! 8-)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: maj on February 28, 2008, 02:42:47 AM
First Animal now you ....who's going to be March   :-o
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 02, 2008, 04:14:09 PM
OK , we're off ....I'll be back in a week or so with photo's and tales to tell.I spoke to some members who are at the Lake already and the word was yesterday that the lake surface is still soft.......so it seems the cancellation was timely. :wink:

til then....2roo.

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Sumner on March 02, 2008, 04:24:30 PM
OK , we're off ....I'll be back in a week or so with photo's and tales to tell.I spoke to some members who are at the Lake already and the word was yesterday that the lake surface is still soft.......so it seems the cancellation was timely. :wink:

til then....2roo.



Have fun........................

Sum
Title: red dust , rough roads ,no racin'
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 09, 2008, 03:53:27 AM
Greeting Folks , we're back from our pilgrimage.....3000 kilometers or 1800 miles and quite a few of those were on the dirt and all of them were hot. From Melbourne it's about 13 hours drive to Lake Gairdner , we stopped in the wine making area of the Barossa Valley near Adelaide on Monday night where we had a "counter "meal with Dirty Dave and talked about the state of the nation , we had a great old laugh ....we jumped back in the Land Cruiser and headed off north towards Port Pirie where we stayed  for the night , two hundred miles short of the Lake. An hour the next morning and we were at "the Gutter" or better known as Port Augusta where we stocked up on ice , beer , some food......and filled the tank . The drive in was smoother than recent years the corrugations in the road not being continuous....and it wasn't in the low forties celcius which was a relief .  We drove straight to the salt after a brief chat with the Newtons who own the pastoral lease which covers the access to the lake . When we got there it was immediately apparent that the ramp where the usual on/off point is was unusable for vehicles as it was slushy . We got our push-bikes out and set off towards the track.it was heavy going and the tyres were flicking up a rooster tail of wet salt and water...but after about 100-150 meters the salt was hard and as we went out the sound the tyres were making became crisper and brighter . The surface had walnut sized salt growths on it which I hadn't seen before....here's a shot to give you some idea of the coarse nature of the ungraded surface ,this shot was taken about where the track would normally be.
(http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd35/Jarman-Stewart/P3040030.jpg?t=1205041171)

We sat around on the salt out there and had our little spiritual moment and lamented the fact that although where we were was probably fine for racing the track further down wasn't and besides there was no way to get a vehicle onto the lake...... sad but true....

In the back of the Toyota we had some FZR wheels that my good mate Tiny ( Generator shovel on landracing.com) had bought from free-bay and seeings how we were going the long way home we thought we could take them to him in Silverton way up near Broken Hill.....and seeings how we had them we figured we'd better take a few snaps of them....kind of like a "gnomes holiday shot"...

(http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd35/Jarman-Stewart/P3040043.jpg?t=1205047212)

we stayed at the members camp that night ..it was a raucous affair...lets just say when some people say they like to get away from civilization they have their own check-list.....leave the social mores behind but take a TV and a BBQ , some people seem to have a constant obsession with conquering the environment.....I copped an earful for mentioning various preferences with regard to where I stay when at Gairdner ( for the record that is next to the lake , on the sandy soil with the cold showers within walking distance of the canteen and earshot of the lake.....not at the members camp five dusty , rutted miles away with bore water showers )....... I can argue with drunk nutbags either in my line of work in the welfare sector or in my side line as a rock and roll musician so I just nodded and pretended that I was agreeing.That said it was good to see all the blokes I liked at the camp .... :roll:

The next day we headed west and north from the lake toward Woomera .  Another 160 miles of blazing hot sand road....we made a few stops like this one at the only road sign we saw...(http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd35/Jarman-Stewart/P3050069.jpg)

We spotted a sturt Desert Pea the state floral emblem of South Australia a rare and beautiful little thing that grows in an environment that only salt bush seems to like....
(http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd35/Jarman-Stewart/P3050074.jpg?t=1205048949)
Woomera has a history as a testing range which has also included variious tracking stations including Island Lagoon and Nurungar...there's a rocket park where we saw some genuinely wierd home made looking stuff, well it looked home made ....turns out the air-force and the Army made it .....this is called a sea slug
(http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd35/Jarman-Stewart/P3050099.jpg?t=1205048988)

We stayed that night on the Northern edge of Island Lagoon...it was beautiful , the stars of course were incredible...the food, well.., the beer was cold but about two of those and it was nighty night after the hot and arduous days driving....this is a shot of Conical Hill in the north eastern arm of Island Lagoon. There are a lot of tributaries at this part of the lake and the salt as a result is just a thin crust.

(http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd35/Jarman-Stewart/P3050121.jpg?t=1205049030)

I spoke to the owners of Oakden station who run the pastoral lease on the eastern edge of Island Lagoon and was told that access was very limited and the boss was too busy to guide us out there...that was the part of the lake we thought may have the kind of surface that would be suitable for a track......We drove into the homestead anyway...it was murderously hot and red sand everywhere.......I'm glad i'm not a sheep!!

We decided we'd head up to Broken Hill, another 340 miles ...lots more salt bush...it was kind of manky in the truck , could have done with a razor and a mediator at times...

(http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd35/Jarman-Stewart/P3060222.jpg?t=1205049068)

At the "Hill" we headed up to Silverton and the famous Silverton Hotel ,the area where Mad MAx 2 or as you guys know it " The Road Warrior" was  filmed. Apart from being treated to a great feed of freshly caught fish we had a great nat with Chris Fraser the publican and his mate Trevor Clare who built and ran the stretched blown V8 bike at the lake ....of course Tiny showed up to collect his wheels and crap on with us , we had a great time I wish we could have stayed until Sunday when the recovery party for the Broken Hill St Patricks day races was to be held at the Pub....however while were there Chris had to exterminate some mosquitoes...he had just the thing....an 8/71 blown methanol big-block on a trolley...

(http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd35/Jarman-Stewart/P3060234.jpg?t=1205049106)

the next day we drove the 560 miles to Melbourne ...once again it wasn't  freezing

gee we had a time :wink:

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: JackD on March 09, 2008, 07:48:30 AM
I thought you guys were gonna go downtown , but you went uptown. :?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 09, 2008, 09:59:53 AM
so it would seem , so it would seem......sadly ,  well , I hate to disappoint anyone or unnecessarily raise their expectations.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: JackD on March 09, 2008, 10:54:44 AM
so it would seem , so it would seem......sadly ,  well , I hate to disappoint anyone or unnecessarily raise their expectations.
More could do better with the study of that lesson in personnel success.
 :wink:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on March 09, 2008, 04:23:59 PM
Best tour of Australia that I've ever had.  Thanks for the good photos and fine commentary, Dr. G.  Some day -- some day -- Nancy and I will get there to see it all (and youse guys) in person.  In the meantime, you've given us a good hint of what to expect.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 09, 2008, 08:36:58 PM
Hi Slim , apart from permanent snow lines, active volcanoes and a lot of water we've got pretty much every type of climate and terrain here however it's nearly all around the coast ,and within a couple of hundred miles of it....the other 95% OK maybe 85 is desert every time I go out there it's driven home just how big and dry it is. You could spend a year out here traveling around the coast and never get bored , but the interior is an acquired taste.....a little bit of salt helps....
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on March 09, 2008, 09:32:28 PM
Welcome home, and thanks for the travelogue - Your descriptions are great. 

The kind of trip you just took is something that would be tough to replicate in the US anymore.  We just don't have dirt roads anymore - not to that extent.  While it's fast, quick and convenient to set the cruise control on a four-lane divided highway, you'll see the forest, but miss the trees, or the Desert Pea. 

It looks still very wild, unclaimed and untamed.  And while it would have been great to be trailering a bike or a race car, I'd say you made the best of a bad situation, and you clearly came back with some pretty cool shots and stories. 

But next year, you race.   
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on April 04, 2008, 10:39:32 PM
Where have you blokes been---surely doesn't take a month to recuperate!!!!!!!!
Title: quiet time
Post by: Dr Goggles on April 05, 2008, 02:10:43 AM
Crikey! can't a bloke have a little  quiet time?.....we've been doing other stuff and haven't really done that much on the 'tank....however we did get the new steering wheel back from our tame fitter and turner Vaughn with the cap that he made for it........

Ladeeeeeeeez and Genermen! I give you ( drum roll please) a home made wheel.....hewn from  half inch Al plate..........

(http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd35/Jarman-Stewart/P4050243.jpg)

I'm sitting here with a buzzing head , one of my earlier bands had a reunion last night ...we hadn't played for ten years , didn't have a rehearsal...just got up and went for it and no-one missed a cue....couple of hundred people ,it was a very moving experience ....it was like we'd never missed a day :wink:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: generatorshovel on April 05, 2008, 03:54:57 AM
G'day thrillseekers,,,,you've done it now Doc G,,,the bush will soon be over run with revheads from the USA,,seeking to repair their souls.
My missus originates from Minnesota, and has notices a lot of OZ scenery reminds her of the USA, but adds our trees are just smaller,,as are we Aussies in general (must have a lot to do with the way we got here many years ago, if you ever tried standing up below deck on an 'ol wooden covict transport ship, you'd understand.
  On the build topic,,I finally started the FINAL assembly of the little Honda / Yamaha hybrid today, after sorting (re-designing actually) oiling system, after 3 months of forwards / backwards weekends I have good pressure where its needed, and good flow were it isn't.
Hopefully I'll get the engine fitted in the new frame tomorrow (again), and figure out an inlet manifold for the downdraught carb, the the finishing touches can be added to the frame, with the thought of minimizing tank slap inducing lateral flex.
 Thanks again Goggs, for delivering the salt encrusted wheels, who's tires are turning into a real pain to find.
Tiny
Title: Re: quiet time
Post by: mike mendoza on April 05, 2008, 02:46:19 PM
Crikey! can't a bloke have a little  quiet time?.....we've been doing other stuff and haven't really done that much on the 'tank....however we did get the new steering wheel back from our tame fitter and turner Vaughn with the cap that he made for it........

Ladeeeeeeeez and Genermen! I give you ( drum roll please) a home made wheel.....hewn from  half inch Al plate..........

(http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd35/Jarman-Stewart/P4050243.jpg)

I'm sitting here with a buzzing head , one of my earlier bands had a reunion last night ...we hadn't played for ten years , didn't have a rehearsal...just got up and went for it and no-one missed a cue....couple of hundred people ,it was a very moving experience ....it was like we'd never missed a day :wink:
What era music did your band play?
Title: Re: quiet time
Post by: Dr Goggles on April 05, 2008, 05:36:18 PM
What era music did your band play?

er , music for deaf era's?.......style-wise we played what sounded half like what Elvis Costello would sound like if he was playing the Lynyrd Skynyrd songbook and at other times like the Stray Cats playing Dylan....... is that any help...? :-D
Title: Re: quiet time
Post by: Sumner on April 05, 2008, 06:36:51 PM
What era music did your band play?

er , music for deaf era's?.......style-wise we played what sounded half like what Elvis Costello would sound like if he was playing the Lynyrd Skynyrd songbook and at other times like the Stray Cats playing Dylan....... is that any help...? :-D

No, not for someone who is tone deaf  :-P, but after your last post I think if you guys start up again maybe the "Steering Wheels" might be a good name for the group  8-).

Hey vacation is over, back to work on the car, just 11 months to racing.  Your steering wheel looks a lot better than the one I just made.  The guy did good,

Sum
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on April 05, 2008, 08:05:37 PM
Quote
Your steering wheel looks a lot better than the one I just made.  The guy did good,
actually the guy was me....Vaughn just made the centre cap and buffed the whole thing up a bit....I made the wheel. Now here is the part where I give away valuable trade secrets , some will shudder, others will pull on their boots and head directly to the workshop.

The first wheel we had was out of a Ford Laser which here , is a rebadged Mazda 323 .They're a  very flat wheel with a flat steel centre. I cut the top and bottom off it and then pulled the sides toward me giving a shape similar to the one shown ....neat idea but it looked pretty rough even by my standards.So I bought some half inch plate from the Aluminium merchant and started sketching it out. I found a round kitchen tray the same size as the Laser wheel and used it to give me the outside edges of the grips , then I used it give me the top and bottom concaves. So at this point I had the flat butterfly shape and it was just a case of using a hole saw to cut out the "finger-grips" and to jig-saw out the rest ( unless you've got a weldable band saw you can't cut closed circles with them).I drilled the spars and then filleted them with a coarse disc ,then I just bent them over a big anvil....rolling it would have been the go but hey why walk all the way to the next room for a screwdriver when I've got this butter knife right here in front of me...

Seriously though I did make a cardboard pattern to make sure the curves I had were right ,  but mostly it was a "feel" thing, I would definitely roll it next time but apart from that I'm happy with it and true to form it came up pretty quick...'bout two hours ....then Vaughn had it for about two months...LOL
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Sumner on April 05, 2008, 09:07:21 PM
Quote
Your steering wheel looks a lot better than the one I just made.  The guy did good,
actually the guy was me..................................LOL.....


Well in that case it looks like crap  :evil:.  Just kidding, YOU DID GOOD!!  Mine took longer and doesn't look as good  :cry: .

I guess the group isn't going to get a new name  :cry:,

Sum
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Geo on April 05, 2008, 09:25:33 PM
Dr,

What can I say!  Nothing... words will not express the beauty and skill applied in the making of this.  Very nice job on the wheel. 

Oh... I think I have a bit of your music here.  Let's see MP3, no... CD, no... oh over here, excuse the dust, cassette tape, hmm, no... wait here's the reel to reel, darn, what else...  8 track in the old 76 XJS.  Let me run out to look in the cubby.  Yes there it is!  Audio nirvana soon.  Buggers I'm out of beer!

Geo
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on April 05, 2008, 10:11:17 PM
Oh... I think I have a bit of your music here.  Let's see MP3, no... CD, no... oh over here, excuse the dust, cassette tape, hmm, no... wait here's the reel to reel, darn, what else...  8 track in the old 76 XJS.  Let me run out to look in the cubby.  Yes there it is!  Audio nirvana soon.  Buggers I'm out of beer!
Geo

ya know one of the great things about this forum are the little link-ups.....last night when I posted that mention about the band reunion we had I got a PM from a forum member.....he casually mentions a friend of his....who turns out to be one of my all-time favorite guitar players Adrian Belew....

" ah steering wheel Schmeering wheel..you mean to say ....YOU KNOW , HIM! :-o :-o" so this morning I've been sitting here listening to some of his efforts thinking " small world huh?"

.....btw Geo after Friday night the mere mention of beer made me shudder... :evil: the evening did not pass unrefreshed :roll: the reunion was brought on by the wedding tonight of the drummer ...he and the bass player both live in Brisbane ( 1000 miles away) now......me gets the feeling tonight could be , well , a little untidy...........
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on April 09, 2008, 05:27:37 AM
And for anyone who is really interested

http://s219.photobucket.com/albums/cc28/grumm441/Warner%20Bros%20Reuniuon/

Dr Goggs is the one in the green t-shirt that on the front reads

four
door
shit
box

Grey
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Sumner on April 09, 2008, 10:56:09 AM
And for anyone who is really interested

http://s219.photobucket.com/albums/cc28/grumm441/Warner%20Bros%20Reuniuon/

Dr Goggs is the one in the green t-shirt that on the front reads

four
door
shit
box

Grey

(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc28/grumm441/Warner%20Bros%20Reuniuon/P1010185.jpg)

Hey Doc I think I could handle drinking beer out of that size mug :-P .

I like the interior of the building and it looks like everyone was enjoying themselves.  Hope I get to hear something when I get over there.

c ya,

Sum
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: jl222 on April 10, 2008, 01:36:55 AM

    You guys always make me thirsty.
    Keep up the good work and bottoms up.
        JL222
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on April 21, 2008, 10:55:46 PM
.......that I can only assume would be a thirst for knowledge and adventure....... :roll:......let's just say I'm well read....
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on July 31, 2008, 05:38:04 AM
So we you haven't heard from Goggles for a while, it is because he is off in Europe looking at museums and old land speed stuff.
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: gazza414 on August 05, 2008, 05:57:20 PM
.......that I can only assume would be a thirst for knowledge and adventure....... :roll:......let's just say I'm well read....

apart from  that Stewie what ya up to...keepin outa trouble I hope
Title: the almost fergetted Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on September 02, 2008, 07:39:31 PM
apart from  that Stewie what ya up to...keepin outa trouble I hope

....Hear ye hear ye......after a not so brief hiatus...we get back out to the shed this weekend . I imagine the first session back with the car will involve some serious staring at it...then a bit of looking at each other " is this the car?" ....."yeah" ....."where do we start?"....."dunno".....there will no doubt be a serious amount of catching up to do .....I'll be back with some photo's of the small amount of progress this year and our slightly curtailed plans for world domination....or at least domination of our own back yards ..........

Hey , come on people , you've gotta have dreams, even if it's all you've got.......

DrG
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on September 03, 2008, 12:04:26 AM
Quote
...Hear ye hear ye......after a not so brief hiatus...we get back out to the shed this weekend . I imagine the first session back with the car will involve some serious staring at it...then a bit of looking at each other " is this the car?" ....."yeah" ....."where do we start?"....."dunno".....there will no doubt be a serious amount of catching up to do .....I'll be back with some photo's of the small amount of progress this year and our slightly curtailed plans for world domination....or at least domination of our own back yards


I'll bring the propeller
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Lynchy on September 07, 2008, 10:48:39 PM
Guys

Good to have you back - what's the Reverend up to these days?

Lynchy
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on September 08, 2008, 01:36:33 AM
The Reverend is back on the block.

Been locked away for a year with a project with little time/access to email but now online again.

Looking forward to posting further reports on progress... and seeing sunlight.

Reverend R-gash



Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: ol38y on September 08, 2008, 02:27:51 AM
Pardon my saying Rev., but what do you mean by locked away???   :mrgreen:

Are we talking outback?

Larry
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on September 08, 2008, 03:56:32 AM
Larry , they put him in jail for a litany of crimes, liking old English cars was the main brief, the federal crime of mutiple transmission of pictures of old buses, strange trucks and clapped out race trailers to
his Bellytank build partners,mentioning that he was considering building an electric vehicle and finally ,wearing hippie hats. :evil:

I'll let him describe the real reason he's been incommunicado , me? I've been studying , working and then I went overseas( I was worried that I had too much money saved up to spend on the car......) Now we have all pretty much run out of excuses.....except of course Grumm who's just gone and bought a sh**** old truck ..I mean a '41 Chev Pick-up.So, on Saturday I put some juice in the bellytank and fired her up....to quote Jon she shot ducks for a little while and then hummed away happily.....We're halfway through our new aluminium seat , the body needs to be painted , the extra fire systems need to be finalised , the chute system nailed ,we have to get the second hand trailer we bought roadworthy and registered and then we're prettymuch ready to go ...that should be easy ..... :roll: :roll:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on September 08, 2008, 11:42:51 PM
Been up at the farm for a month (2.5 hours east of Melbourne) planting trees. It's volcanic country and so every spade hits an old rock. The neighbour digs holes with dynamite. I'd get him to do it but I might not have any windows left...

Prior to that I was working on a adult stop motion animation feature which will be released next year. I'll definately publish more details closer to release as we are mighty proud of it.

Back to designing theatre sets for the rich now...

revH+
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Geo on September 08, 2008, 11:56:31 PM
RevH,

Now I know why you need to get away from it all and work on the tank. :wink:

Sorta like one of those immersion things... confined, close the hatch, dark, quiet, dreamy thoughts...

So, Dr. G we know about the Rev now.  What about you?  :-D

Geo

Glad you guys are back with us.  8-)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on September 09, 2008, 12:25:02 AM
Exactly! You seem to know the pain. It was a 50 hour week locked up inside a black box, just me and the puppet for exactly one year.

My skin looks like the underside of a fish.

rH+

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on September 13, 2008, 07:33:48 PM
Well we made a start back on the tank yesterday, and it felt good.The lack of posting here has mirrored the lack of time on the 'tank .The Rev' has been filming a feature and I've been otherwise engaged studying ( an AoD diploma or,Alcohol and other Drugs work, yeah thanks everyone but that masters degree doesn't count) and saving my readies to go overseas.

We went to Pendine Sands in Wales thanks to a suggestion from Malcolm UK. This is the place where in 1924 Malcom Campbell set his first land speed record in his Sunbeam Bluebird of 146.16mph, we stayed at the Beach Hotel and visited the Pendine Sands Museum of Speed , it was a beautiful drive from London , perfect weather without a cloud in the sky , wildflowers out everywhere and the countryside was gorgeous , after seeing the beach I kind of regretted not bringing the bellytank....seven miles of hard packed sand....anyway heres a couple of old dungas that they've propped up in the museum...sheesh, get with the times guys  :roll:
(http://i531.photobucket.com/albums/dd358/cultural-cringe/P7270046.jpg)

(http://i531.photobucket.com/albums/dd358/cultural-cringe/P7270049-Copy.jpg)

In all seriousness these were beautiful pieces and my mate Frank who's got a thing for Broughs reckons that that particular one is the , er , business shall we say.....
The main gig at Pendine is Babs the car that JG Parry Thomas , a welshman, used to up the world LSR to 171.02mph and then 172.331mph in 1926 ,tragically Parry was killed a year later on the beach in a roll over and the car was buried nearby . In the late sixties Owen Wyn Owen requested and was granted permission to exhume the car and subsequently restored it to running condition.It's a curious looking thing.

(http://i531.photobucket.com/albums/dd358/cultural-cringe/P7270057.jpg)

Thanks again to Malcolm for the suggestion we had a top time.
anyway back to the task at hand....We've made a new seat for the 'tank because as the most sage Jack Dolan pointed out drivers "tend to grow over time"....Now, I weighed the same amount give or take 5% from 16 'til I was 41, it was Jack who said after seeing a photo of me with my "shirt" off that " it seems you've been spending all your lunch money on the car"..... :-D, building the bellytank seemed to be the cue for my metabolism to change and I've , shall we say, begun the middle aged spread( nah not vegemite but I did have some this morning and I'll hear none of your complaints)...the Rev was always a little bigger than me and I'd figured that if I watched my diet then at some point I wouldn't have to share the driving, that didn't work.Both of us were struggling to get into the car and we also thought that we could do a better job on the seat anyway. We made up a cardboard pattern ( as we always do) and found more width , more depth and managed a bit more accurate symmetry. Cut from 3mm Al plate the seat has a single bend ,a modest pad at the base and wider wings than what the last one did.
here it is( roughly tacked and not yet tabbed for attachment points so it ain't sitting exactly square).....

(http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd35/Jarman-Stewart/P9140814.jpg)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on October 09, 2008, 04:40:19 AM
So show everyone some new tank stuff
 :mrgreen:
 :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: comp on October 09, 2008, 06:11:47 AM
waiting to see more  :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on October 27, 2008, 10:50:20 PM
So Dr G and I continued on the interior refitout to improve our fitting into the car last weekend.

The lowering of the seat with our new aluminium version (as pictured above) gives us an extra inch and a half clearance to get in and out.

I have found a new technique to get in, as I don't fold over too well across the middle anymore, so I slide my body towards the pedals a bit then lie down and push into the cockpit. This is easier than trying to bend under the rollbar and is quicker and less freaky.

This weekend was a slow one... Dr Go was more like Dr SloMo as he fought with a monster hangover which didn't necesarrily agree with the pounding of metal. Not just that though, we spent a fair bit of time adjusting the seat mounting so that it was true as it was marginally out at the end of our previous tank-day. It's all good now but it did take a long time and at the end of the day it feels like you did very little.

We did tidy up a few other trim bits and I have taken the padding home ready to cover with a 70's style black vinyl so the interior is starting to look good.

The body work is the major standout item still, need a few good solid days working on that to break its back. Christmas is coming and hopefully that will be the time to make that happen.

Hope all are well.

Reverend H+

Title: Is there a doctor in the house?
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on November 16, 2008, 09:54:07 PM
Hey all.

Bad news I'm afraid, Dr Goggles has been ploughed into by an unwatching motorist on his motorsickle yesterday.

He has broken his ankle and suffered some nasty cuts too. He is in hospital and will be having an operation tomorrow.

I am sure he would appreciate some club support when he gets connected again, so get those textas out and draw him some pretty pictures as get well cards, write him a song, or blah and send them to me and I'll get them to him:

Dik
co/ studio505
level 1 395 lt Lonsdale st
Melbourne 3000
Australia

Reverend H+
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on November 16, 2008, 11:01:58 PM
Rev H,
So sorry to hear about our mate Dr G getting dinged by an inattentive driver.  Hope he is doing well, keep us posted with his condition and tell him we are thinking about him.  Tell  him to hobble to a computer and log on....  :wink:
Get better Dr G....  8-)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on November 16, 2008, 11:31:42 PM
He is in hospital so might be a while before he logs on, hence the card concept.

rH+
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: 1212FBGS on November 16, 2008, 11:38:46 PM
hey rev
is that exactually how we should put the addy on the envelope?
Kent
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Geo on November 16, 2008, 11:42:33 PM
Right!  It's my understanding Dr G will do anything to get where the girls are!  :-D

We should get a pool for the nurses to be sure the best are taking car of him.  That's correct; I didn't say pretty or ugly.  Which will it be?  :evil:

Ask the surgeons if you can drive a tanker after the operation.

Get well soon.  Don't let them mess with your funny bone.

Geo
Title: Dr no-go
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on November 16, 2008, 11:53:11 PM
The address is real (lt stands for Little) and write it like that and it will get to me.

Nurses shouldn't be a problem... he's got a new missus, that will be a problem!!! Not sure if he'll be allowed to ride again...

We'll know more tomorrow.

rH+

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on November 18, 2008, 09:28:12 PM
Spoke to Stewie this morning, he sounds almost normal(!)

Hasn't had the operation yet but should have it this arvo. Apparently both his tibia and fibia are broken and have "removed themselves from the joint to the foot." He will be annoying a few metal detectors from now on.

eek.

He may also need a skin graft too.

ouch

The story is that he came out of his driveway and turned right. At the first intersection a car came out and T-boned him, the lucky thing was he wasn't fully up to speed so the second impact was light.


Not being a simple break it is currently unknown how long he will be out of action. The good news is it is his right leg so it is only the go-fast button on the car not that  other one which is tricky to push even when you are fully assembled.

We have scheduled the next "tankday" for 2 weeks. He can point at things from a chair for me to do to get ready for March.


I'll let him fill in the details of the driver as he has the gift of the word things.

reverend H+






Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on November 20, 2008, 03:43:44 AM
So Goggles has just come out of surgery and is in the recovery room.
This would be a pic of him just before, the button is for patient controlled analgesia (Morphine button)
(http://i385.photobucket.com/albums/oo300/prc_photography/20112008.jpg)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on November 20, 2008, 10:26:09 AM
He looks good in a dress, he should wear one more often... LOL
Nothing like a little Morphine to lift the spirits, dang Drs usually regulate how much you can give yourself.  Bummer
Good to see he is in good hands, now how about a few pics of the nurses....  :roll:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: fredvance on November 20, 2008, 11:08:19 AM
I call that the happy button. :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on November 20, 2008, 05:54:59 PM
I took a snap of the Doc's nurse.

We might be in trouble...
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: landsendlynda on November 20, 2008, 06:07:22 PM
Does this mean we don't pay the ransom when he throws the sink out the window?  :roll:

Lynda
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on November 21, 2008, 09:11:29 AM
Unh, I don't know.  Notice the diabolical look in her eyes. I betcha she's got her finger on the button that administers poison ivy juice to the patient.  Don't trust her for a minute, Dr. G!
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: manta22 on November 21, 2008, 01:42:05 PM
That photo looks like a 3/8" ratchet to me.  :-D

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on November 21, 2008, 09:31:40 PM
That photo looks like a 3/8" ratchet to me.  :-D

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ


I would have thought 1/2"
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: fredvance on November 22, 2008, 10:24:27 AM
Kinda looks like the camera felt on my first(no sedation) colonoscopy! :-o
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on November 24, 2008, 07:03:14 PM
Thanks everyone , I'm back at home.

I was lucky to escape with what injuries I got as although it was a low speed crash I was completely blind-sided by a car that had been stationary when I saw it but then accelerated straight across the road as I looked away hitting me on the right, I was changing into 2nd,50 feet from my house. I have some screws in my right ankle and fortunately no skin-graft.

I'm not bitter , I'm happy to be home, grateful for my good fortune and know well that I could easily have been significantly worse off, life is good and I'm part of it.

 
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on November 24, 2008, 07:58:11 PM
Welcome home, Doc, and a speedy recovery to you.  My mother-in-law calls scooters "donor-cycles" - we're all glad it didn't get that far.

Take your time and heal up, no tap dancin' for the short term. 

Your guitar fingers still working?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on November 24, 2008, 11:45:39 PM
now dont get to deep in the FOSTERS!!!!!!!!!! :cheers:-glad you are home and BACK!!!!!!!! :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on November 25, 2008, 03:24:36 AM
Kinda looks like the camera felt on my first(no sedation) colonoscopy! :-o

Ouch
That's too much information thanks Fred

now dont get to deep in the FOSTERS!!!!!!!!!! :cheers:-glad you are home and BACK!!!!!!!! :cheers:

Nobody in Australia drinks Fosters. It's for export, thankfully

Grumm
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on November 25, 2008, 09:04:38 AM
Are you trying to tell me that you guys are as bad as --US---exporting your bad stuff--especially our bad habits & vices---lol
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: ol38y on November 25, 2008, 09:51:06 AM
Hey Doc, glad you're home and on the mend.

You'll probably have to stay off the VB for a while but the stuff the other Doctor will get you is far better.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: fredvance on November 25, 2008, 10:08:54 AM
Hey Doc, glad to head your OK, sort of.Heal fast March is sneaking up on you fast.  Fred
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on November 25, 2008, 05:27:23 PM
Are you trying to tell me that you guys are as bad as --US---exporting your bad stuff--especially our bad habits & vices---lol

You forget that we are a whole nation of transported vices.

Whatever we send on is then the Alcatraz of vices.

As the Colonel said, NOBODY drinks Fosters here, (except tourists).

Speaking of which... I'm gonna be in Utah in January... any events on I should check out?

Reverend H+

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: John Noonan on November 25, 2008, 05:37:51 PM
James,

Glad you are Ok and will mend properly..

J
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Freud on November 25, 2008, 05:45:56 PM
Doctor G:

If you had been riding prone your legs would have been above the impact point.

nmaD, why didn't you think of that. Get well faster.

Naked and Prone,

FREUD
Title: ABT laughter is the best medicine
Post by: Dr Goggles on November 25, 2008, 06:47:29 PM
Thank you yeast and hop fans one and all but for some reason , I don't feel like drinking beer ...or eating chocolate....... Now take note that that didn't say fizzy drinks or anything with alcohol in it...so shut-up, fetch my sticks and get me that wottle of biskey.

The food in there was a book unto itself....I like my food and I like to cook so I have a bit of an interest in the subject , in short, out of each meal they specialized in making an offensive smell out of one of the items from the meal and infusing that smell through everything else with it.The acrid taste of burnt potato?.....yeah ,I'll have some of that in my dessert and while you're there can you put some in the half cooked scalloped potatoes just for nostalgia value. Gaseous broccoli ?, just a dash in my salad...oh , ok put it in the custard.....in the turkey? gee I didn't think of that...Pumpkin that smells like cow manure ? oh my....how do you do it you little devils?......, on everything thanks....and on the chicken too please ,and then can you dry the chicken out so it immediately grabs all the saliva out of my mouth like two whole dry weet-bix so I can't chew it , can't swallow it and CAN BARELY EVEN SPIT IT OUT!!....that was a bad experience.....needless to say I lost weight in there and it wasn't just the rapid muscle wastage from being bed bound ....some of my middle age spread ....ebbed.

When I was in the Golden Staph Hotel (hospital )I could read the forum but not post and every time I saw Fred's mention of COLONOSCOPY :-o :-o I had to laugh...my brother sent me a link to this blog by Aussie writer Jack Marx who is very good and irreverent, in it someone has posted an article by Dave Barry (US) about his colonoscopy experience .If like me you've had one then you'll laugh your a** off , if you haven't had one , go and get one because bum cancer is low on the preferred list of exit options , and then read it....

here is the whole blog,I'd suggest reading the whole lot however if you're in  a hurry the Dave Barry article is about 2/5 of the way down.....it's hilarious and right on the money....oh dread, cower and cringe..........
http://blogs.news.com.au/jackmarxlive/index.php/news/comments/gastronoscopy/

some time soon I'll get back to the shed and building  and preparing for next years meet.....
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on November 25, 2008, 06:52:47 PM
Doctor G:

If you had been riding prone your legs would have been above the impact point.

nmaD, why didn't you think of that. Get well faster.

Naked and Prone,

FREUD
thing was Freud , I'd said to a few people ...."it was so quiet I could have ridden to supermarket in the nude and no-one would've seen me, speaking of which..don't listen to the Rev. he'll have no time spare in Utah....those nude Olympics are pretty busy affairs I hear...........and thanks JN , I will.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Freud on November 25, 2008, 07:38:04 PM
I just posted a CD of Cheer to you. Whatever time it takes to arrive should have you in the proper state to spend 10 - 12 hours looking at the images.

I don't tolerate any of your "down under" excuses. Just get recuperated. We may have to have you fellows fix our urine sterilizer in the Space Station since beer is too heavy to handle with the robotic arm the Canadians built for us.

FREUD
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on November 25, 2008, 08:55:49 PM
Doesn't help when your mechanics throw away $100 000 tool kits...
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Geo on November 25, 2008, 10:20:03 PM
That was $300 of tools in a $9700 bag with shipping of $90,000 to make $100000.  I would ask for a replacement set to be sent to the station because of faulty tether design.  They also loose dutz fasteners on the salt during holiday.

I prefer a malt beverage.

Glad you are feeling better.  Wait for reality  :-o
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Sumner on November 27, 2008, 08:44:44 PM
Good to see you back and hope you the best,

Sum
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on November 27, 2008, 09:01:22 PM
Thanks Sum ( and anyone else who has posted)
Evelyn rang me when I was lounging around the morphine Meridian snacking on delights and generally making the most of the facilities and told me that you and yours had shown she and Bones a great old time when they went to BUB...even convincing Ol' Bones to go for a hike when Ev' told me he's a "walk shy lounger" .......one day one day........
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Sumner on November 27, 2008, 10:01:28 PM
Thanks Sum .................... .......one day one day........

Hey I look forward to that day, but don't forget I'm in the "old man" category, so you had better make it over here sooner vs. later.  Ruth and I are already making plans to be over there in 2010, so we can also do the Street Rod nationals also that takes place every other year,

Sum
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: bones on November 29, 2008, 01:55:58 AM
Hey Doc
   Sum was easy to keep up with....he's old :-D I just set my personal ecu to fast and we did have a great time.Ev's hanging out to go back
   cheers Bones
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on November 29, 2008, 11:39:39 PM
Hey Doc
   Sum was easy to keep up with....he's old :-D I just set my personal ecu to fast and we did have a great time.Ev's hanging out to go back
   cheers Bones

Excellent , now, aren't you supposed to be out in the shed......I hear the 'liner is going to be adapted for the jixer motor that is in the jixer that you're building for the boss......she gave me all the goss......sounds like a good idea to me...that old three pot piston cooker ( no offence stevie)would just be a hassle in a liner ....and there's a whole cast of people writing off nice fresh jixers as a source of motors.......is it a thou or a seben-fiddy?

And of course I'd forgotten you'd gone to electronic ignition.(http://blog.lib.umn.edu/khamd002/architecture/pacemaker.jpg)....no dizzy spells anymore :-D :-D....sorry couldn't help meself there.....
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on December 04, 2008, 01:36:49 AM
Thanks to everyone for the letters, very touched.

Got a new plaster on it....they won't remove it for another FIVE WEEKS, that was a bit of a shock....put in a mile on the crutches on Tuesday....upper body strength is building fast....hoping to get back to work on Monday week , fortunately I have a very accommodating boss.

Once again thanks everyone for the support it is much appreciated.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on January 02, 2009, 11:00:46 PM
What is up with you 2?????????????
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on January 07, 2009, 11:55:41 PM
Thanks Sparky for the question, answer: I have been in hospital for most of the Christmas break. Nothing wrong with me it's everyone else who is getting crushed by something!

First Dr G get's collected by a car, then my next door neighbour split his thumb with a hydraulic log splitter (lengthwise... ouch!!) then on Christmas day my mother-in-law decides to have a stroke. All pretty much better now but somewhat scarred.

So hopefully now that they all are out we can move on some work, except I am going to the States for two weeks starting this weekend, visiting Sumner (hi Sum!), and then afterwards we can finish this puppy!

Our chalkboard (pictured previously) now has the item of properly secure fire extinguisher ticked off. Apparently the original pipe clip retainers will soon not be legal for us and so we have built a stronger 3mm steel bracket to secure them.

We now have the pipework servicing the engine block, the fuel tank (right at the back of the car) and the heads plumbed. I have fashioned a billet (eek!) bracket for mounting a jet for the face which is our final one to be rigged. All bottles have been supplied by Cold Fire who makes a product that is colourless and suitable for use on the salt and National park and Aboriginal property.

This year the car will be ready again to go with the items to be completed being:


The bodywork tidy up will again be rough, but hopefully a step ahead of its last outing at Mangalore. Gees where does a year and a bit  go?

The good old staff truck will also need a tidy up, the old ChevC30 motorhome had some dork break the driver's window and it needs some new tyres (this truck just seems to eat them...). It will be important to have some decent accomodation as the LAdy 'Gash will be seven months pregnant.  (We know it's a girl so I am think Formula One, start her off in carting at the farm as soon as possible then work up...)

Looking forward to seeing some snow over there before heading back to the desert over here (weather permitting!!!)

rev H+



Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Sumner on January 08, 2009, 12:02:27 AM
............ visiting Sumner (hi Sum!),.........rev H+

Just sent you an e-mail back with some driving instructions.  Have a good trip over,

Sum
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: interested bystander on January 08, 2009, 12:11:31 AM
Reading these recent posts, I wuz gonna make a comment about you antipodean (sp) folks and your poor health, but after thinking about it I realize that here in SoCal all my pals who used to talk about Hotrods and Honeys now now talk about Hotrods and Health -usually theirs! It must be universal.

Life is, after all -bending the wire back and forth or bumping the timing a bit more -  and eventually . . ..

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on January 08, 2009, 01:01:31 AM
...and eventually the wire breaks?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on January 08, 2009, 09:29:40 AM
You guys have a great visit---that SUM guy is a popular destination!!!!!!! :cheers:

Snow may or may not fall on you---but I guarantee you will be able to see it in the distance!!!!!!! :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on January 08, 2009, 09:58:07 AM
You guys have a great visit---that SUM guy is a popular destination!!!!!!! :cheers:

Snow may or may not fall on you---but I guarantee you will be able to see it in the distance!!!!!!! :-D

Didn't you forget he may not be "in the middle of no where" but you can see it in the distance too....  :-D  :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 10, 2009, 05:00:06 PM
Ok, I got a text from the Rev this morning with a picture of the good lady standing next to a rag top late model Mustang....that they've hired....God help us.. :roll: :roll:

Anyways, yes we, I ,have been scarce on here...I've been lurking but to be honest I have little to report about the car...my focus has been the ankle...I got back to work and my days are currently filled with that and talking to the insurance company.......bless 'em , it's easier to make a kid eat broccoli than get them to do something they're supposed to do( and before anyone pipes up with the whole "They're running a business like everybody else and if they didn't care about profit/loss they wouldn't be there" they're a government outfit funded by a compulsory component of(~60%)registration and they make huge profits)...I've paid nearly thirty years of rego on more than one vehicle and I've NEVER hurt myself or anyone else in a car or bike...enough of that..

I'm not walking yet, I have a moon boot but can't weight bear fully yet and have very limited movement in the ankle so far...nearly made it through last week without painkillers but Friday was a shocker , the problem is I work in the drug and alcohol rehab field and one of the painkillers I'm taking makes me itch like someone in withdrawl, the only thing that stops the itching has me falling asleep constantly....you can see the problems with that :oops: :oops:

After the cars run at Mangalore airfield in 06 I stripped the bodywork.........given that the climate control in the "research and development facility" is Al Fresco I try not to paint during winter, then I was overseas, then I had the accident.....at present there are various odd shaped pieces of aluminium bodywork doubling as garden sculpture all over the back yard...the front part of the tub sits forlornly under the lemon tree...filling with lemons, the canopy sits on our Sea-Fury tank,making it look like something is happening......meanwhile Speedweek 09 bears down upon us.

I did solve one of the problems we'd been fighting with and that was our new seat , relocated harness mounts and how to mount the hip belts .We are sitting on the floor basically , in the old format we could JUST get the mounts far enough away to get proper tension. TCALSS we will loop the belts around the lower frame rail in order to extend the distance between the mount and the buckle...a small step but an important one.....where we were looking at the new mount there is no space, no height above the deck and no width in the frame :? :? so mounting the anchor higher and then going down and around the lower frame rail may be our only solution.

We still have lots and lots of little stuff to do, right now I need a back pack to carry anything more than a few steps which slows everything and makes using a spray gun out of the question.....but, I'll get there.

Right now I reckon the Rev and the good lady Hedgash are lost somewhere in LA , talking to a cop...."whaddayamean you were driving on the wrong side of the road because you got confused" , or staring absent mindedly under the bonnet of that Ford........get ready Sum :wink:
Title: Good news on Lake Gairdner
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 17, 2009, 07:38:14 PM
Last night Rob Carroll President of the DLRA posted the following on the club's message board , it is encouraging and also highlights that the motivation for restricting access to the lake is far different to what most people believed.This is still a sensitive topic but it looks like there may be a positive outcome in sight. Here is Rob's letter

This week I have traveled to Port Augusta to attend a meeting with the representatives of the Gawler Ranges Native Title Group. I attended this meeting with Robert (Doc) Murdock, who organised the meeting through an aboriginal who he previously employed. On Thursday the three of us traveled out to the Gawler Ranges National Park for the meeting.
This meeting was very productive in two ways, the first being to meet them in person, the second being to explain our situation and what we need to get our meeting happening and them explain to us what they need to eliminate the threat of mining on Lake Gairdner. This threat is the reason we have not been granted a permit yet. They are concerned if we go on the lake for speed trials, the miners will use this as leverage to get what they want, and that is to test drill holes in the lake.
To help them they have asked us to write a letter to the Minister demonstrating our objections to any mining of any kind on Lake Gairdner. There are other conditions involved as well, but no big deal. I have agreed to write the letter which the committee will do early next week.
Doc and myself have been invited to a subsequent meeting in Adelaide possibly Jan 28 or 29 or as soon as the Minister commits to a date. At this meeting we are hoping the Minister will agree to no destruction of the lake. If that happens we may be granted a permit for March.

The previous week we were greeted by a post from our WebMaster that was very exciting.......here

Rod just rang to say that Andy Green (yes, THE ANDY GREEN, current holder of the World Land speed record) had telephoned him today. Andy was at Sydney airport on his way back to the UK.

For those that have been living under the proverbial rock, Andy's team have built a new car, the BLOODHOUND and have been traveling the world checking out the 20 odd sites that they have determined suitable for their exploits (read better than 714MPH).

Andy was at Lake Gairdner yesterday and they drove a Land Cruiser some 5 miles over the lake. There is some surface water that is being blown around by the strong winds that we have all experienced and a few soft spots. In his opinion the Lake is in very good condition, especially for this time of the year and he has indicated that it is the best place in the world that they have seen, bar none. They want to make their attempt at Lake Gairdner.

Rod has made Andy aware of our current situation and is forwarding all the information to him. He has promised to give the Federal and State Government contacts a fair old pasting and bring them up to speed, so to speak. It's fantastic to have some one of his profile going in to bat for us, especially at this time.

There is a meeting at Lake Gairdner next week between Government agency officials and the Indigenous representatives. The DLRA may be asked to attend by have not received an invitation yet.

The darkest hour is just before the dawn......

So that"s where our race meet stands at the moment, in the meantime my leg is getting better , this morning I carried two plates to the table.....hobbling ,but it's a big step and has me thinking I'll be off the crutches within a month.I'm off to the shed today. :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: ol38y on January 17, 2009, 08:48:54 PM
Good on ya James.

Glad to hear your leg's on the mend as well. Ya know you can race bar stools at World of Speed huh... :cheers:
Title: The Rev is back!
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on January 27, 2009, 11:57:41 PM
Wow, you guys sure have a big country!

Well, it's only a little bit bigger than ours but how it differs is that around every corner it seems to be amazingly different, whereas ours is the same for thousands of miles at a time...

We had a fantastic time in the US and made many friends. We were a bit weirded out at first as everyone seemed TOO friendly, (anyone read Watership Down?) but we found that was the American way and it was good.

We visited Sumner and were delighted to meet someone who has been a great help and support to us as we have been building on similar timelines over the past 5 years.

Below is a photo of me squeezing into his streamliner. His home built workshop is bigger than ours, with better tools, a groovy greenhouse to help heating in Winter and a flat floor(!)

Sum took us out to see some 700 year old Indian Pueblos and Ruth cooked up a storm with a delicious Shrimp pasta. Our stay there was a highlight of our trip. Thanks Sum and Ruth!

Another Highlight was the vehicle. I hired a standard Mustang soft top for the trip but it wasn't ready when we arrived so we were UPGRADED to the Shelby GT-H unit.

Now all I can say is this car rocks!! 300+ horse power, it has what I think is the most successful retro designs going around with an appropriate tip of the hat to the style of the old but being unabashedly modern (except for the live rear axle!)

With the top down driving through the canyons of Arches or Zion National Parks was a fantastic experience.

With Peak Oil fast approaching, I felt that this would be one of the last chances to do that great dream of a major V8 road trip across the US, and it was a great success. The weather was great, snow on the ground but clear skies making it the best of both worlds.

Our trip was a round trip of 2200 miles from LA to PArk City and back, taking in route 66, the Grand Canyon, Monument Valley, Blanding, Arches and Canyonland, Bryce and Zion and of course Las Vegas (what a crazy place!)

Below is a picture of the beast at Arches our favorite location on this trip.

Sorry I didn't get to meet more of the LAndracing fraternity, but rest assured I'll be back with Dr Go in a few years hopefully with the tank.

All the best

Reverend H+

Oh and for the record it's 42degrees celcius today, thats over a 107F in old school and we have a forecast of four more days of this temp. Looks like it is going to be underwear only in the garage this weekend in preparation for Aussie Speedweek...




Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on January 28, 2009, 10:12:21 AM
Rev, when were you here? You could have stopped at the Rodge Mahal and seen my Tank. I have beer too. Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Sumner on January 28, 2009, 05:21:25 PM
Hey we had a great time with the two of you.  Come back any time and hopefully we will get over there also.  I'm glad you enjoyed Arches, it is a nice up close personal place to go to.

The best of luck to you guys in a month,

Ruth and Sum
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 28, 2009, 05:26:31 PM
Rev, when were you here? You could have stopped at the Rodge Mahal and seen my Tank. I have beer too. Wayno

an opportunity sadly missed. :cry:
Title: Re: The Rev is back!
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on January 28, 2009, 06:44:09 PM
I hired a standard Mustang soft top for the trip but it wasn't ready when we arrived so we were UPGRADED to the Shelby GT-H unit.
A bitter disappointment, I'm sure! :cheers: 
Kind of like the game Monopoly - "Banking error in your favor - collect $200.00". :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on January 28, 2009, 09:47:50 PM
Wayno, it would have been great to visit, we probably drove past your door if you are in the middle of Utah...

We arrived back 2 days ago.

Next time, keep the beer cold!

rH+
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on January 28, 2009, 11:35:14 PM
So you're telling me I'll have to drink the entire batch of Porter I just bottled?  :cry: Well OK. I mean it's just 5 gallons.  :cheers: It really is all my fault. I've been working on the Racer and haven't been posting much. I shall endeavor to do better. Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on January 28, 2009, 11:45:35 PM
So you're telling me I'll have to drink the entire batch of Porter I just bottled?  :cry: Well OK. I mean it's just 5 gallons.  :cheers:  Wayno

Wayno, I can easily provide a home for a cool (not cold) Porter.... shall I PM you with a shipping address  :roll:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on January 29, 2009, 12:29:57 AM
I did sample some of your state's beer though, so much for being a dry state! I even bought a Utah brewery's "Polygamy Porter" hoodie to wear...

Indeed, why stop at just one?

 :cheers:

rH+
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: landsendlynda on January 29, 2009, 10:31:54 AM
If you stop at just one beer in our state, you've only had 1/2 of a beer...takes at least 2 bottles to equal 1 "full" flavor beer.

Lynda
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on January 29, 2009, 11:55:08 AM
Wayno, I can easily provide a home for a cool (not cold) Porter.... shall I PM you with a shipping address  :roll:
If I have any left,  :roll: I'll bring you one at Speedweek. You too Lynda. :lol: Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: landsendlynda on January 29, 2009, 11:56:23 AM
 :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on January 29, 2009, 01:34:09 PM
Rev, where'd you find the hoodie?  We've got a buddy that has been given a t-shirt by us -- but the hooded shirt might be a nice gift for next time around.  Our purchase was made in an out-back convenience coffee shop/bakery -- but that's the ONLY place we had seen the shirts.

Speaking of your visit -- did you travel on Utah Scenic Byway 12 -- from Torrey to Bryce Canyon?  I'd expect so -- and hope so.  I think it holds hands-down the all-time greatest road status.  Simply stunning visuals.  Nancy and I have enjoyed that road about a half-dozen times -- and always try to ride it once more when we're in the neighborhood.

Best -
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: roygoodwin on January 29, 2009, 02:32:21 PM
SSS -- try looking at http://www.wasatchbeers.com/ 
Title: highway 12
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on January 29, 2009, 06:23:56 PM
Thanks Roy, that is exactly wear I purchased the Hoodie, Park City Main Street, at the Wasatch Brewery. They have a good one for the ladies too.

Slim...Highway 12? Wow! We certainly did drive it, one of the best drives in the world I'd say.

The Devils Backbone section of Highway 12 is pretty cool, it's right on the ridge (see photo below). There is an old road between Escalante and Boulder that I would like to drive next time when it isn't icy...

We stayed at Boulder for the night (unfortunately the devils backbone grill was closed for the season, we had heard good reports about its local cuisine...) but the lodge there was great. Sat in the hot tub surrounded by snow looking at the stars. Just what you need after that drive!

Below are some photos of that stretch.
Title: highway 12
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on January 29, 2009, 06:24:49 PM
and another
Title: highway 12
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on January 29, 2009, 06:26:18 PM
last one. Amazing scenery. As I said, great with the top down.

rH+
Title: Gairdner update
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 02, 2009, 04:56:56 PM
Hi everyone this was posted yesterday on the DLRA site by Rob Carroll our President...........

Time for an update. I understand the membership feels left in the dark about what is happening with the permit to use the lake. I have tried to keep everyone updated as best I can through the forum (on the offline area).You must understand that these negotiations involve much more that just DLRA using Lake Gairdner. They are more about keeping the lake in pristine condition forever, so we and others can enjoy the lake not only for Land Speed Racing but also for the awesome natural beauty there. This lake and surrounding area holds a huge amount of significance to the local indigenous people and they are adamant it will not be destroyed.
My report on the meeting we went to on jan 15 in the Gawler Ranges can be read on the offline area. Today, Feb 2, I received a phone call from the Native Title Claimants Solicitor advising me of a meeting in Port Augusta on Feb 13, which I am invited to. He said attitudes are changing positively, (for us and his clients), so I am hoping for a good outcome. Be aware that we still cannot have Speed Week until we obtain the permit. The committee is continuing preparations for speed week and I suggest anyone wanting to attend Speed Week exercise some patience while we try to sort out the permit. I will post more information as it becomes available and more discussion will undoubtedly take place at the meeting next Sunday in Melbourne, so those members that can attend, I will see you there.
Rob Carroll President DLRA #12

It is five minutes to midnight, the event hangs in the balance for this year. The last two years of cancellations have taken their toll on the club and have knocked the stuffing out of anybody who'd thought about bringing anything from overseas.

I'd love to say that our bellytank is sitting in the trailer waitinfg for the day to leave ...the reality is it's still got a lot to do...as it stands we might have twelve months to finish it.

I'll keep you up to date.
Title: Re: Gairdner update
Post by: Sumner on February 02, 2009, 05:14:21 PM
Hi everyone this was posted yesterday on the DLRA site by Rob Carroll our President...........

Time for an update. I understand the membership feels left in the dark about what is happening with the permit to use the lake. I have tried to keep everyone updated as best I can through the forum (on the offline area).You must understand that these negotiations involve much more that just DLRA using Lake Gairdner. They are more about keeping the lake in pristine condition forever, so we and others can enjoy the lake not only for Land Speed Racing but also for the awesome natural beauty there. This lake and surrounding area holds a huge amount of significance to the local indigenous people and they are adamant it will not be destroyed.
My report on the meeting we went to on jan 15 in the Gawler Ranges can be read on the offline area. Today, Feb 2, I received a phone call from the Native Title Claimants Solicitor advising me of a meeting in Port Augusta on Feb 13, which I am invited to. He said attitudes are changing positively, (for us and his clients), so I am hoping for a good outcome. Be aware that we still cannot have Speed Week until we obtain the permit. The committee is continuing preparations for speed week and I suggest anyone wanting to attend Speed Week exercise some patience while we try to sort out the permit. I will post more information as it becomes available and more discussion will undoubtedly take place at the meeting next Sunday in Melbourne, so those members that can attend, I will see you there.
Rob Carroll President DLRA #12

It is five minutes to midnight, the event hangs in the balance for this year. The last two years of cancellations have taken their toll on the club and have knocked the stuffing out of anybody who'd thought about bringing anything from overseas.

I'd love to say that our bellytank is sitting in the trailer waitinfg for the day to leave ...the reality is it's still got a lot to do...as it stands we might have twelve months to finish it.

I'll keep you up to date.

Sorry to hear all of this.  I feel for you guys.   :cry:

Thanks for the picture.  I just loved that picture the first time I saw it.  Also thanks for the part off your tank that will go into my lakester somewhere.  I told the Rev I would send you a piece of mine also once I start cutting the tanks up.  We will be "blood lakester brothers"  :-D.

c ya and keep us posted,

Sum
Title: Blood bros
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 02, 2009, 07:00:03 PM
Also thanks for the part off your tank that will go into my lakester somewhere.  I told the Rev I would send you a piece of mine also once I start cutting the tanks up.  We will be "blood lakester brothers"  :-D.
c ya and keep us posted,
Sum
......just in case anyone is wondering the REv took a piece of the aluminium Canberra tank we used for our bodywork to Sum when he visited so as to incorporate it into his car somewhere....... blood brothers so to speak...... :wink:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on February 02, 2009, 07:06:21 PM
Hoping for a positive response from the authorities.  Assuming a thumbs-up, how's the salt looking this year?  I know it's been hot and dry by you, Dr. G!
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on February 02, 2009, 07:35:26 PM
It's been scorching in South Australia for the past few weeks which must have gotten rid of some moisture but thunderstorms are predicted in the nnext week which may put it all back...

We don't know until we know...
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: dwarner on February 02, 2009, 10:21:30 PM
Tough break for the DRLA guys. I hope everything works out well.

Keep positive thoughts,
DW
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 03, 2009, 01:57:14 AM
Thanks Dan
I get the feeling that this is going to thin the ranks just at the point that the event was building momentum. Some would say that isn't necessarily a bad thing because there were complaints that the club was struggling to cope with the number of entries, but what is a worry is that it may deplete the leadership ranks and the gradual passing around of the information and experience of running the event.... Successive successful annual events encourage people to get involved in the management of it and increase the enthusiasm for racers, spectators and volunteers. If it is cancelled this year then it will be four years since we've had an event and the "running knowledge" will be dim in the memory.......there are people like us who've got rides built for LSR and nothing else....we have no other event, as yet. Our enthusiasm hasn't dimmed but the urgency definitely has.......it will be a blow if we don't run in '09.

We are years behind where we thought we'd be , but that's the nature of it , innit?

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: dwarner on February 03, 2009, 12:34:50 PM
That is the same problem we had in the 70s at Bonneville and El Mirage, low entry count.

After the '82 & '83 rainouts at Bonneville AS SCTA president I felt that we MUST have a race. IIRC in 1984 we ran in Sept. A hard rain the night before the event was to start required that we move the start line down two miles giving us a short course only. The rain returned after only 2 1/2 days and cancelled the remainder of the meet. Seven of us picked up the whole mess in a couple of inches of water.

DW

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: interested bystander on February 12, 2009, 12:28:38 AM
I'm sure yrs truly echos the thoughts of a lot of us in the USA who have  compasssion for the Aussie fire victems in what I call is our 51st state ( just a little bit South and West of Califorina).
Title: Bushfires
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on February 12, 2009, 05:52:01 PM
Thanks IB.

We cancelled our tank build day last weekend because I was at our farm finalising its defences against the Weerite fire.

We were lucky that is all I can say, no amount of preparation can stop a fire in that heat and wind if it is on line with your house, it is simply like a blowtorch and will get into any crack.

The fire near us went between two houses, took some sheds and silage, then leapt over the highway and continued past our farm a kilometer away and into open ground.

A slightly different start location or wind direction and it would have had us. Our farmhouse is an all timber 1906 Victorian, and is dry as tinder after 10 years of drought (the doors open well though, that's a plus!) It was started by overloaded powerlines.

They reckon 300 + will be the final death toll with over 1000 houses gone already. Add that to the 35 lost a month ago and the fact we are only in the middle of the fire season and you get the picture.

Although the fire near us is technically under control, the ground itself is on fire. There is peat in the ground and they don't expect it to be truly our for another month or so. The last fire we had here, two years ago, kept sprouting up out of the ground a long way away after quite a few weeks.

The weather has been kinder the last few days but is expected to go back into the 30's next week. It's the wind though that is the problem with low humidity.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: landsendlynda on February 12, 2009, 06:09:53 PM
I'm so glad you and yours are safe, Rev!  We (me and mine) are thankful nothing worse happened to you.  Our thoughts and prayers are with all of you and hope the fires will soon be under control.  Do all you can to keep yourself safe.

Lynda
Title: Re: Bushfires
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on February 12, 2009, 06:59:49 PM
Hey, Rev -

Thanks for the update - the feeds from the ABC and the BBC have been frightening, and we're concerned about everyone in the area.  The Good Doctor mentioned heat in the 46 C range (that's about 114 F degrees for those of us here in the States)  That's the type of heat you'll see in Arizona in August, but combined with the withering vegetation in your part of Australia, it's got to be like living in a tinderbox.

I'm with Lynda - our thoughts and prayers are with all of you.

Chris
Title: Re: Australian Bushfires....
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 12, 2009, 09:21:55 PM
Thanks everyone.

      It is Australia's worst ever natural disaster, they are expecting a death toll over 300. The ferocity of the fires made plain by pictures of molten metal and huge uprooted trees. It wasn't just people in wooded areas who died either , one couple who were horse trainers lost their house and their lives, they were surrounded by 50 acres of stubble. 

    The weather was hideous,the winds tremendous. In one of the areas most heavily hit ,Kinglake,the only fast road out is to the north west and that is where the fire came from , the other roads are narrow and mountainous and through heavy forest.There are many tragic stories from there, fortunately the two people I know from there survived one lost his house.I am still yet to hear from a friend in northern Victoria , I hope it is just because many phone towers have been lost.

As many have said in the last few days , it's a beautiful country, it's just not really made for people.

(http://images.theage.com.au/2009/02/11/379560/svTRICKLE-420x0.jpg)

 
Title: It's on !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 13, 2009, 12:09:56 AM
We've just heard that the meeting held today between representitives of the DLRA and the Kokatha tribe about a land use agreement for Lake Gairdner has finished with an agreement struck between the parties. There is yet to be an agreement about ongoing use but for now this is great news.

The other good news is that the lake is in pristine condition and so we are both ALLOWED to and CAN use the lake for this years meeting.....



YOU BEAUTY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(http://www.google.com/images?q=tbn:EqqazBydE7eGTM::frtim.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/thumbs-up.jpg)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Rex Schimmer on February 13, 2009, 12:56:24 AM
Now that is some great news!!! Go get um Doc!

Rex
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on February 13, 2009, 09:49:23 AM
Great news guys---thanks for the personal update----hope and pray that the rest of OUR dry lake family is as fortunate---great and safe racing!!!!!!!! :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Harold Bettes on February 13, 2009, 01:17:57 PM
Doc Goggles and All the Aussies,

That is great news in spite of all the terrible fire damages and losses.

Wishing you all well and fast recovery :-D from all the devastation.

Regards to All, :cheers:
HB2 :-)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: maj on February 13, 2009, 05:31:32 PM
So much work to do now,  :-D, been hard to get motivated when there was such a big questionmark over the meeting..
Doc .. Pristine condition?? hope your sources are good  :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on February 13, 2009, 07:00:15 PM
Outstanding news - Pack up the trailer, shower the soot off your brow, and go West, young man! :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on February 15, 2009, 09:21:07 PM
Spirits are up as the Spirit of Sunshine gets moving.

We crossed off four more things on our shed blackboard this weekend which is a great feeling (and only added two:a net gain!)

Colonel Grumm came in and wired in our Tacho and a quick fire of the engine showed it to be working well. This was a$20 eBay item and so we didn't know until now whether it was a goer or not. We have put it in a nice chrome car searchlight fitting we bought for $2 and it looks much better. I just have to print out the new design of the face to complete the reinvention of this device into something that looks alright.

I ask again, why are all the aftermarket gauges so crap? it seems like after Smiths were making decent gauges for a few years all the rest gave up on creating anything decent. Surely in the Internet age with a huge amount of graphic design going on somebody could be making gauges that don't look like they belong on a cheap wind up Chinese toy.

Any way, the good Colonel also wired in our Oil Pressure warning switch onto the steering wheel where it is plenty visible. Again not the nicest looking fitting but operational. The redesign of the wheel to and its switches and lights will occur after this meet where I hope to find or make some groovy warning lights and add in any lessons learnt from this trip.

I repolished the windscreen which had taken a beating over the past year in the bump'n'grind environment of a small shed, then being dumped in a yard inhabited by chickens...

It came up trumps!

Body work and paint the main job this coming weekend. Any volunteers to help prepare?

Reverend Hedgash

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 16, 2009, 09:16:28 PM
Yessirree, I'll be there.....actually I was there last night ....knocked a bit more of the body flat,the last paint job that the car had was as quick as has ever been done, this time round I'll be adding a little finesse( now, I said LITTLE,take note all you show car guys)....there are parts of it that need metal work to be top class and that definitley won't be happening for this meet but all in all it will be a vast improvement. The Rev bought a different shade for the "white"this time around....it's a pinkish cream if you ask me and the red is a much brighter red than we had last time ......it's gonna be , er , different.

Last night I also managed to nail something that had been a bugbear.......the solenoid cable release for the parachute needed to be reset everytime we tried to repack it so it obviously needed a spring return because there is no way of getting to that part of the innards when the body is on, it didn't take long and it works a treat.

On the weekend we also changed the anchor point for the 'chute . We used a piece of 1 5/8 tubing as a saddle and bulked up the superstructure behind the chute bucket.We also deepened the bucket as it had always been a struggle to pack the chute into the space we had and I was worried that it put too much pressure on the doors, feeling much better about the whole arrangement now....here is the new anchor

(http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd35/Jarman-Stewart/P2140939.jpg)

I have also been making a few heat shields, the gear shift cables, the flexible clutch line and the chute solenoid amongst others. I've made all but one out of polished aluminium, one out of stainless..primarily to defeat or at least reduce the effect of radiant heat from the headers.

more soon.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on February 23, 2009, 02:25:35 AM
Race track has been visited and approved. We are going!

... although the Mrs is freakin' out because we have NO money and baby will only be a few weeks away, I'm changing jobs, we're moving everything to the farm, everything is burning, there is no water and there is a financial crisis.

I say given all of the above it would be crazy not to go...


rH+
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: 1212FBGS on February 23, 2009, 02:27:41 AM
go get a record buddy!
kent
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on February 23, 2009, 02:31:43 AM
Thanks Kent, will try to. There are two that we are hoping to tackle this trip.

First the Australian record for EGL class which stands at 146mph (3.8L engine, gasolene, Lakester)

Then the EFL class which is open at present. (3.8L engine, fuel, Lakester)

This means we both wont be arguing over who drives last and holds onto the record.

The above is if all goes well, really, just getting it there will be worth it, and if we can have a couple of runs without incident that would be great.

rH+
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Geo on February 23, 2009, 09:03:14 AM
We're pulling for you to have a great time!

Be safe, go fast!

Geo
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on February 23, 2009, 09:10:43 AM
Doc, Be safe, have fun and go fast
 :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: 4-barrel Mike on February 23, 2009, 09:43:14 AM
Go, guys, go!  Be fast and be safe!

Mike
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Sumner on February 23, 2009, 10:09:12 AM
Guys that is great.  Have a good time and be safe,

Sum
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: hitz on February 24, 2009, 01:46:35 AM
Rev and DR. G

  Good luck to both of you. You've overcome a lot of obstacles to earn some good rides. Be safe, go fast.

  Harvey
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on February 24, 2009, 06:54:03 PM
. . . the Mrs is freakin' out because we have NO money and baby will only be a few weeks away, I'm changing jobs, we're moving everything to the farm, everything is burning, there is no water and there is a financial crisis.

I say given all of the above it would be crazy not to go...


rH+

Sounds to me like you could use a diversion. :-D  Wishing you success and fun.

Safety Fast!

Chris
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Peter Jack on February 24, 2009, 08:16:14 PM
Spoken like a true racer! Good luck. Race safe and fast.

Pete
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on February 24, 2009, 11:11:04 PM
About the time I turned 40 :-(---over a 1/4 century ago :-D  I pondered the Creedo by which to live the rest of my life by.

MY final results----The COURAGE to live the rest of my Life so that when I exited--- I whould have no MAJOR  " Well I wonder WHAT IFS"!!!!!!!

GO FOR IT!!!!!!!!!!!! Run that PUPPY  :evil: ---I PROMISE- :evil:--you will not regret it!! :-D---in the LONG run!!!!!!!!!! :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on February 24, 2009, 11:48:57 PM
I'm all happied up that you get to run.  :-D Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 25, 2009, 03:27:38 AM
Aw shucks, I don't know what to say ....even Kent was nice to us  :-D :-D....We've really enjoyed this site since we started the Australian Bellytank thread and the support ,advice , humor and friendship has been fantastic . We've solved problems and made improvements from advice we've got here, we've been inspired by some really big names in the game here and we've had a huge laugh.

Now it's time to get it out ......and use it for what it was meant for.

We've suffered a bit of adversity and had some lucky breaks, and some , er unlucky breaks :oops: Both of us are up against it money wise....due to a misunderstanding about family planning the good Rev has a birth imminent......but a racing we will go...

When I get back you will be hearing all about it, trust me , all about it. I've also been roped to write a six page salt article for Australian Motorcycle News so you'll be seeing that too I guess....I'm gonna be a busy little boy.

I've been out in the backyard painting panels after work....I'm such a genius that when I masked off the line to put the cream on the front I laid the tape on the wrong side of the line( on both sides of course)........and it's too cold to be painting.......just like it was too hot when I did the red( they say if you don't like Melbourne weather you should wait five minutes).........it'll get there.

Thanks everyone ,legends, beginners ,cards and hounds for the encouragement.....we've still got ten days before we go but we need twenty.

I'll post again before we go :wink: :wink: :wink:

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on February 25, 2009, 05:52:29 PM
For the record, the family was planned, we just don't have a name.

Any good names anyone can think of for a girl who will grow up to be a Formula One world title holder (if daddy has his way).

Chevrolet von Pomborneit has a nice ring to it...
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on February 25, 2009, 05:57:09 PM
Ute Holden Hedgash?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on February 25, 2009, 07:13:30 PM
For the record, the family was planned, we just don't have a name.

Any good names anyone can think of for a girl who will grow up to be a Formula One world title holder (if daddy has his way).

Chevrolet von Pomborneit has a nice ring to it...
Elmita Bonnevella Hegdash?   :lol:  Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on February 25, 2009, 07:16:03 PM
For the record, the family was planned, we just don't have a name.

Any good names anyone can think of for a girl who will grow up to be a Formula One world title holder (if daddy has his way).

Chevrolet von Pomborneit has a nice ring to it...
Elmita Bonnevella Hegdash?   :lol:  Wayno

Bonnie, for short!

I was thinking Ute for the duality aspect - probably the coolest truck we'll never see in the States, and the tribe that Utah was named after, but I think Wayno is on the right track.

Of course, I don't have any kids, so what do I know?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on February 25, 2009, 08:41:25 PM
 I like both Ute and Bonnevilla!

Sum introduced us to the Ute tribe of Utah and we were impressed.

We have ute racing in Oz, b/w the fords and Holdens. There's a bit more door paint traded than the other races and highly entertaining and pretty cheap to run I imagine. We also have a ute muster where last year over 7000 utes descend upon a designated area...

http://www.weeklytimesnow.com.au/article/2008/10/06/12721_entertainment-news.html

..hmmm... now to run it by the missuss...

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 25, 2009, 09:37:00 PM
[Elmita Bonnevella Hegdash?   :lol:  Wayno
I pretty sure this has been said before but it needs to be said again, ....you're nuts Wayno..

I had some suggestions , none of which were given the slightest heed.....One was Schwayne....no taste those Hedgashes :roll:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on February 25, 2009, 10:20:25 PM
[Elmita Bonnevella Hegdash?   :lol:  Wayno
I pretty sure this has been said before but it needs to be said again, ....you're nuts Wayno..
Flattery will get you everywhere.  :cheers: Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on February 25, 2009, 10:32:38 PM
Schwayne Gairdner? If we were in the motorcycle class maybe.

But Schwayne is clearly a boys name and we are having a girl.
A hyphenated boys name like Shane-Wayne already has our attention for the boys.

If we were having twins, one of each, then Arthur and Martha.

But we are having a girl and she needs a winning racing name.

Keke Rosberg, Stirling Moss, Juan Fangio and Jacki Stewart all had winning names. Mark Webber's lack of success surely comes from his unsuitable monica, it simply isn't as world championesque as Lewis Hamilton.

Its a pity that McLaren was a New Zealander, that would make an interesting first name... and the surname Brabham mumbles, just like the man.

While we are at it we mosewell change our surnames too. I do like "von Pomborneit" as our farm is in Pomborneit.

We can be the racing family von Pomborneit.

Bonnevilla von Pomborneit. mmm. Classy.





Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 26, 2009, 03:21:53 AM
We can be the racing family von Pomborneit.

Bonnevilla von Pomborneit. mmm. Classy.

see everybody?....that's the sort of stuff I have to deal with......

anyway here's a moody sort of shot of the scallops that went on the side of the tank this afternoon......

(http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd35/Jarman-Stewart/P2260941.jpg)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on February 26, 2009, 05:03:12 AM
What about shapelle headgash
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Sumner on February 26, 2009, 09:26:19 AM
We can be the racing family von Pomborneit.

Bonnevilla von Pomborneit. mmm. Classy.

see everybody?....that's the sort of stuff I have to deal with......

anyway here's a moody sort of shot of the scallops that went on the side of the tank this afternoon......

(http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd35/Jarman-Stewart/P2260941.jpg)

I like those  :-).  As soon as you get the car outside how about some more shots of it.

c ya,

Sum
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: wolcottjl on February 26, 2009, 10:03:33 AM
You could always go with a Latin name - Celeritas in Latin is speed, swift, quick - Celerita might work

Or have DEE somewhere in the name - as in De Hane -- from Henry De Hane Segrave, first person to set a land speed record over 200
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: 4-barrel Mike on February 26, 2009, 10:32:46 AM
Not as "contemporarly cool" as some of the other suggestions, however the first woman into the 200 MPH Club: Marcia Holley 1978 229.361

Mike
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 01, 2009, 09:13:24 PM
Another busy weekend , can't really remember much but we were at it no-stop. We changed some harness mounts, honed the clutch slave, I went right over the steering ....then when we tried to put the front tub on it wouldn't fit because the steering box had tilted slightly...well, there goes my wheel alignment. we added some more retainers for the fire bottles, tidied some wiring, fitted the canopy, took it off again, fitted it , took it off again,mucked around with the steering column washed and mounted the wheels, filled the water tank, got as much dust and swarf as we could out of the cab.

Then Pete brough the race trailer over....last night I slept through the night non-stop for the first time in six months, man I was tired.

still more to go......
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on March 01, 2009, 09:30:42 PM
DrG, everyone... no matter how much time they had and expended on their race vehicle.... has had to do the pre-race thrash  :|  it is like a rite of passage to the salt  :-D
Go get 'em, be safe, have fun, go fast  8-)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: 55chevr on March 01, 2009, 09:42:33 PM
I thought I was the only one still doing all nighters the week before ... Guess it is endemic to our small fraternity.


Joe
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 04, 2009, 06:48:27 AM
well, here it is in the trailer.....whaddayathink?....should we get different curtains?

(http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd35/Jarman-Stewart/P3040946.jpg)

and yeah , you're right ....looks like she's runnin' a bit rich........ :roll:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on March 04, 2009, 07:36:45 AM
BEAUTIMUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!  :-D  :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on March 04, 2009, 08:10:26 AM
Congrats on the mad-cap dash to get ready.  The car looks ready to rock the salt, but Doc, how's your leg?

I see you remembered to pack the hammer.  Anticipating some adjustments on the salt? :-D

Best of luck - it's long overdue.  Safety Fast!  :cheers:

Chris
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: 4-barrel Mike on March 04, 2009, 09:22:50 AM
Shouldn't it be tied down???  :mrgreen:

Looks great.  Best of luck!

Mike
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on March 04, 2009, 09:56:35 AM
I wanna be there.  :cry: Good Luck guys. Go very fast safely.   :cheers:Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Sumner on March 04, 2009, 12:41:09 PM
Looks great guys!!  Maybe you should work on it in the trailer in the future.  Looks to be more room in there than the shed  :evil:.

Have a great trip and time and keep us posted,

Sum
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Rchop on March 04, 2009, 02:12:21 PM
Looks great  :cheers: Good Luck :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: wolcottjl on March 04, 2009, 02:26:02 PM
Good luck, Go Fast, Stay Safe.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 04, 2009, 04:57:25 PM
Thanks all, yes I have packed the hammer....it's a way of saying ...."uh, YOU CAN"T TOUCH THIS!"........yes they are overspray marks and no that paint hasn't been compounded ,maybe today.The signwriting arrives today and the last of the shopping is yet to be done.

I drove the car up the driveway last night to the trailer.....we have to put boards down so it can get out of the shed...when it got to the end of them it bottomed out ...felt like a horse had kicked my butt.....then I remembered the day at the airport and how despite how much fun i'd had I felt like I'd been kicked all over,a thousand times....we really need to spend more time on NVH* issues

Just to reinforce one of the main differences between Gairdner and Bonneville , there is a canteen that does meals but that is the only vestige of civilization...there is no phone contact ,nothin'....you need to pack like you're going to the moon, plenty of you guys drive as far or further but we have 100 miles of dirt as the last bit before the lake, that's the killer.It shakes the shirt out of everything and replaces it with dust.

The leg. It is better all the time but still feels like your feet do when you have been walking all day , all the time.I can drive the car, that's what's important right now.

I just remembered , I have a car to get ready and stuff to pack! :-o.....see ya. :wink:


* Noise Vibration and Harshness a term used by the auto industry to describe the comfort level of cars
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Geo on March 04, 2009, 05:10:38 PM
Have a great time!  And good luck.

Awaiting a glowing report of the fantastic adventure and high speeds attained.

Geo
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 14, 2009, 07:43:16 PM
......we're back , right now I'm in the middle of unpacking and cleaning, so,just a teaser for now, details?............later!

this is a shot that Tiny's (generatorshovel)mate Wilso took

(http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t24/generatorshovel/speedweek%2009/10.jpg)

it was a week of everything, everything.................

this here is one of my shots.....with the moon looking over us........

(http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd35/Jarman-Stewart/P3100962.jpg)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank aka prettiest car on the lake
Post by: grumm441 on March 15, 2009, 12:01:00 AM
(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc28/grumm441/The%20Lake%2009/DSC_1740.jpg) :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Sumner on March 15, 2009, 12:44:07 AM
Hey great pictures and glad you made it home ok, but how about how fast did you go?  Did you both get to drive the lakester?  Did you have a good time?  Are you done with land speed racing  :wink:.  And how about all the rest of it...............

You don't need to sleep or do anything else in bed, don't keep us waiting,

Sum
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 15, 2009, 09:09:42 PM
OK, as mentioned elsewhere the week started with rain,we got in Sat night and copped it as we tried to erect the tent. A miserable night with on and off rain and blustery winds. Sunday there was a general feeling of disarray as we all wondered, walked back and forth to the lake to check the situation and chit chat went on on the UHF , the good thing though was that it was blowing a southerly and it wasn't raining. There was grumbling as word went around about a film crew who'd shot a car ad and apparently dumped thousands of litres of water at the entrance ramp to the lake when they washed their gear the day they left.

Come Monday the situation improved again and the word was that we could get onto the lake on Tuesday.We headed out and set up our pit, unloaded the car and got everything organised.There were a couple of hitches. We'd never attached the canopy with the tub on the car and that proved to be a hassle as we weren't in any hurry to hoist the car onto the stands,after we'd done that we went looking for the third fire bottle that Grumm had brought from Melbourne, it was the wrong size. Our fire system supplier had sent us a new one when one failed a test.It was too big and wouldn't fit into the spot where it was supposed to go, technically we could run without it as we weren't going 200 this year, so we removed the mount.In a happy ending another crew had a non-compliant fire system and the bottle we couldn't use got them through.

We were the last car scrutineered on Tuesday, apart from a few small issues which were noted in the log-book for attention we cruised through. It was a strange feeling as they handed us the sticker and said, "congratulations boys , you can go racing".

Wednesday morning we started early and took the car to the test track.I got in , belted up, fired her up and took off. The test track was very rough and our car has no suspension and less than two inches of clearance . It was immediately apparent that the clearance on the cheek bars in the cage were too tight and the rock hard SFI padding was transferring vibration to the helmet, I couldn't see, anything. It felt as though there were two people using my head as a speed-ball.I got back to where everyone was waiting and flipped the canopy up..." it's f***** , I can't see "........it was a very low feeling .Apart from that the car seemed great , it wanted to go, sounded good and felt right. We took it back to the pit and pulled out the SFI padding on the cheek bars and put in the softer "you'll go to hell" red stuff and went straight back to the test track. This time I could see , I had to concentrate on trying not to lift my head up and try to see over the tacho, that made for less vibration....it stepped out nicely as I gunned it back towards the crew.

"Let's put it in line" , it was about 4pm before we were called in our group of ten to the start line. From the marshalling area I drove straight into the crunchies and couldn't see... we are too low to easily see the graded areas and once there is fine vibration the cones are hard to spot, fortunately the guy behind me drove past....I followed him to the start line keeping my distance as he seemed to be able to brake a whole lot better than me.

The vibration issue had me deeply concerned, I had the worst case of pre-gig jitters I've ever had and was at that point convinced I was going to struggle to see well enough to avoid taking out either trackmarkers or timing gear, I decided that I would abort if it was too severe ,my guts were churning.

Next thing I'm on the line, it's really hot and my sunglasses are fogging so I push them to the end of my nose, I'm trying to remember a million things at once...there's banter going on between the starters and Cookey the timer "it's Dr Goggles for his inaugural run....give him a pat on the head for me "......then Cled the chief starter gives me the rolling signal.

The car goes and sounds good I take it to four grand in second ( we start in second gear) and shove the stick forward against the lock out , grab the front stick and it snicks into third ..............as I get into it I realise there is no vibration ,the track is as smooth as a baby's bum. I've got the shift light set at 3750 which should be 125 in top gear, it blinks as I change into fourth. It comes on again as I pass the mile marker.

The quarter trap is at the 3 mile, the start is at the one so I've got a mile of this before the lights .I settle in , I listen to the motor as I hover around 3750, make a note that there are fumes and that I may have burned the clutch on the trip to the line. I'm sticking to the right side of the track looking out through the screen to the right of the tacho and watching the little cor-flute markers zing by.....at one point there was a bollard that was a little too close for comfort but the car was right at home,it felt like a kiddies ride. 30 degrees of steering castor make for something that just wants to go straight , no shimmies no drift in the wind...it was tame.

The 3mile came up , the light went off briefly so I kicked it a bit. I stood on the clutch pedal and rolled for a few seconds before I shifted back to third the car slowed gradually over the mile and I turned out after the four , I got off the return road for a bit into the crunchies , at eighty miles an hour it's pretty severe, found the road again and headed back to the pits where I rolled up to the end of the staging line. Grumm lifted the canopy ...."nice one , you did 114". A huge weight had been lifted, the car that we built in the back yard , went, it did what it was supposed to do, it had no bad habits, it wasn't broken and the vision aspect wasn't an issue on the properly prepared track.

Next it was the Reverends turn to do his 125 pass , he was to run in Fuel class which has never been contested at Gairdner.Just as we were called to the start line the battery refused to start the car , we towed him there and did a battery change at the start line area, there is no "idiot light" so the alternator wasn't charging under 2000rpm We wound the shift light up to 4000....I'd left the gearing charts at home and the 3750 figure was from memory. Due to the number of entrants it was 24 hours after my 125 pass before he got to run...me behaving like a dad at junior sports day the Rev at his Zen like best...wandering around seemingly unconcerned about anything...." get in the bloody car Dik".

Off he went. It was an indescribable feeling to see the car speeding away from me and although it’s a V6 that’s still very stock it sounded sweet. He too ran 114 which as a matter of course was a record, when he got to the pits it was straight onto the end of the line . We were number 22 when the course was closed for the day.

My 150 license pass had a little sweetener . No-one has run an E class Gas Lakester since 1998 and the record was set at 145mph. Within the stipulations I could run to 165 for my license which is what I intended to do. I left the line and the car felt great ,  I got into it a little harder than I had and was pulling 138 after the first mile and the motor was singing with the speed climbing steadily. I got to the three mile at 160 , the GPS was showing 162 163 when the car began missing ……momentarily I thought “damn, don’t let me down now” when I remembered that I hadn’t flicked the fuel pump over-ride and the pump was cutting out at 5200 rpm.

I got to the pits and again Grumm opened the canopy and said “congratulations you did 161”, once again the car was a pussycat , straight as a die.

It was Friday and there were thirty cars ahead of us, word went around that if the competitors stayed to help dismantle the track equipment that everybody in the line would get a run.

The Rev was suited up , the signage on the car changed to E/FL and off he went on his 150 pass , a bit of an over rev on 3 to 4 but the car sounded sweet. We set off in the chase car as the radio announced he’d run 152 , a quick check over the pits as we passed to make sure he hadn’t beaten us there as we headed out the return road…..no not there, about two miles out we saw the “Taxi” headed toward us …he’d run after the Rev…..we turned around..”he must be in the pits” just then Grumm came along on a scooter” where is he?” …”we couldn’t see him in the pits”….OK “ “I’ll go back and check again , you go on and call Northern rescue”…..we called the rescue guys” Support crew for the red and white Lakester , we cannot find the car”, they came screaming toward us with lights flashing and as they got closer they pointed out towards one of the islands….There he was , a mile off into the crunchies.

As we got to the car I hung out the window with a thumbs up “Heeeeyyyyyyy”……but he wasn’t in it, he was nowhere to be seen , and there were no footprints. Standing there with puzzled looks on our faces we made jokes about him being abducted by aliens…..then another support vehicle turned up , he got out with a huge grin on his face, he’d missed the five mile turn off, got the sixth but promptly lost sight of the road and after being belted around inside the car his knee broke the back off our kill switch and the car wouldn’t start.

That was the end of the week , we’d achieved everything that was possible in the time we had , the car held up we were all still friends and we’d had one hell of a time.

I’m very happy.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: theazoldcrow on March 15, 2009, 09:33:11 PM
 :-o  :-o  :-o Ya had me holdin my breath thru the whole narrative!!!!!!!!!!!!  Glad I could enjoy some of your runnin time!! Happy Racen'  Crow   :cheers:   :cheers:   :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on March 15, 2009, 09:44:11 PM
Very cool Doc.  :wink: Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: maj on March 15, 2009, 10:13:21 PM
It was great to see all your work come to that one point in time of your first run, you were like a cat on a hot tin roof Doc .

You have had a lot of good advise and used it well, there was only going to be one outcome  Congrats  :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on March 15, 2009, 10:39:47 PM
Well guys it sounds like you had a great time, made a couple of fast runs and the car did what it was built to do.... go fast.  Sometimes you have to adjust your head to be in a spot that the vibration does not "uncage" your eyeballs in a tight compartment.  You guys did great, I didn't use the back side of my seat through the entire read.  Sorry the weather didn't cooperate but that is typical of LSR, weather is always an issue. 
We are all happy for ya, glad you were safe, fast and had fun, that's what it is all about  :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: wolcottjl on March 15, 2009, 11:19:11 PM
Congrats! :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on March 16, 2009, 12:19:53 AM
Guys----isn't it a GREAT feeling  :-D when the car does what YOU built it to do!!!!!!!  Congratulations of a GREAT LOOKING fun car!!!!!!!!!! :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: 4-barrel Mike on March 16, 2009, 12:26:35 AM
Well done!  Congrats!

Now save your money and bring it to Bonneville  :mrgreen:

Mike
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Freud on March 16, 2009, 01:42:11 AM
Googles, do u have an shirts that don't have a skid mark on the tail?

Good job, Mate.

FREUD
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on March 16, 2009, 03:30:22 AM
yes! Woohoo!

Unbelievable. You just don't know how it will run until it runs and it does seem that all the work on steering geometry etc has paid off in spades; it ran as straight as a die, and correction was simple as we drove.

One more run would have been the absolute cherry on the top, but as we were using the stock computer for the motor it may not have gone much faster as there is an engine cutout at around 5500rpm. The Colonel built an overide for the fuel cutout at 5200rpm so there was still some legs in her.

For next year we need to:

So much to do so little time!!!
The plan for next year is to take her on the 175mph licence run for each of us and parachute run and then go for 200mph.

The car ( and us ) really felt capable of going faster this year if we had the time at the track. The club did well to get as much time as we did on track wih a huge turnout and both wind and rain.

Below are some people shots to give the mood as well as some fave shots of the tank.

rev. H+

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on March 16, 2009, 03:32:28 AM
This is the drivers meeting, the chap in in the previous photo set with the hula hula hands is the club pres, Rob Carrol
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on March 16, 2009, 03:36:03 AM
The Jarman-Stewart Bellytank.

Australian Landspeed record holder:

E/GL 160mph 256kph
E/FL 152mph 243kph

and counting!
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on March 16, 2009, 03:39:56 AM
Stewie off and away on the first run. It's a V6 and it sounds very purposeful...
Gee it really does look like my avatar...
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on March 16, 2009, 03:46:23 AM
Al Fountain, creator of the Fountain Bellytank which is a magnificent piece of engineering.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on March 16, 2009, 03:56:56 AM
Lucky Kaiser's streamliner motorcycle made out of 18inch steel pipe.

Pete Quick's (PJQ) troopy and our (and others) support car for this year.

Pete has been incredibly generous in not only lending us his race trailer to transport the Spirit of Sunshine but he also drove it to the Lake and back. Thanks Pete, you are worth your wait in gold! Petrol money on its way!

Also whilst on thankyous a huge thankyou to Steve Barnett and Andy who came to our rescue with parts on the way home when we lost our second set of wheel studs on the trailer on the road (don't ask), you guys rock.

Also of course to Graham and Stewie whose endless commitment to the project over the period of five years, to Stewie for suggesting the idea in the first place, for both your friendship and support in all matters; thanks.

And to all the adviser on Landracing, pleasse keep the good info coming. The car would not have been the beast it is without your input.

Finally, what set of Lake Gairdner photos would be complete without animal? This piccy is him stopping the bus on the way home to help out Steve who had busted an engine holding thingy on the way out. Thank you animal for being, well, yourself.

Reverend Hedgash
E/FL 152mph

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on March 16, 2009, 07:05:34 AM
 Has a nice ring to it doesn't it---RECORD HOLDER!!!!  :cheers: Well done guys!!!!!!!!  :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Rchop on March 16, 2009, 09:20:36 AM
Congrats on the records and the successful trip  :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on March 16, 2009, 09:31:14 AM
DocG and Rev, I have one more for your to do list  :|

"The car goes and sounds good I take it to four grand in second ( we start in second gear)"

If you can roll it off the line in 2nd, you are going to need a little re-gear work to go 200... and you guys are gonna go 200...  :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on March 16, 2009, 09:41:43 AM
Dr. G --

You're hired as the reporter for landracing.com.  Great story -- nicely written, fun to read, and brings enough shivvers to my back that I had to take a look to see just how much longer 'til we get to go racing. 

Good thing Maxton's first event in less than three weeks away.

Congratulations to both of you for records.  Cool. . .
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: ol38y on March 16, 2009, 11:33:04 AM
Doc G,
  Awsome report and congrats on your first runs. It's great to see pics of your ride on the salt finally. Sounds like it's time to change gearing.  :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: hitz on March 16, 2009, 12:26:06 PM
Congratulations! What a fine start for your long endeavors. If I do half as well on my first runs, I'll be satisfied. Good show gentlemen!

Harvey
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Sumner on March 16, 2009, 02:22:41 PM
Wow!!! Congrats guys and you ought to be mighty proud of what you have accomplished.  Ruth and I are mighty happy for you.  I hung the picture of the two of you and your lakester up by the door where I go out of the shop and into the house.  It is the last thing I see as I turn the shop lights off and it is an inspiration to me.

Way to go,

Sum

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: GH on March 16, 2009, 04:31:02 PM
Sounds like after all the hard work they are having a lot of fun.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on March 16, 2009, 06:22:59 PM
After last year's disappointment, I can't tell you how happy I am for both of you.  Much respect, and congratulations! 

Record holder - savor that one!

Chris
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 19, 2009, 06:15:05 AM
The gap between my feet and Terra Firma has finally vanished, the real world is back ....I'm still wearing the red driver's wristband that you get when you pay an entry and I won't be taking it off for quite some time ....much amusement at work , no-one has ever come back from a "holiday" looking so trashed....the weeks leading up to and the one at the salt were so tense that I ran up a sleep debt that is going to take a while to repay....I was sitting at my desk on Tuesday and my supervisor walked in and said amid much laughter .."do you want me to get you a pillow matey?"...right now after the time we had nothing seems urgent or for that matter important.

Tonight I hoisted the tank up onto it's stands and removed the lower bodywork so as to get the salt out of it.There was about a cup full in the front tub most of which entered via the soles of shoes we did our best but it's unavoidable. After the "Man of Cloth's" last run when he got lost behind the island the car wouldn't start and had to be towed back to the pits ,I steered and it was a particularly rough ride, those in the Troopy said it looked like a yacht going through light chop because the pressure ridges were so high in that part of the lake and salt was "splashing" away from the front of the car, I was thinking at the time if anything is ever going to rattle off the car it's gonna happen now, it felt like a combination of Demolition Derby and Stacks on the Mill..........anyway when I took the front tub off tonight it turns out that it got beaten up at the very front and the very front part of the flat section of the floor has been bent up...nothing tragic but I'll have to beat it and that will mean a re-fit to the car, bummer. There's nothing else I've found busted although a lot of body screws were loose.....the car has been towed 750 miles home though and I'd suspect much of that is from then.

Haven't yet bothered trying to start her after the electrical hassle we had.......there's even a possibility it ran low on juice, I had noticed that it needs half a gallon in it or it runs rough despite my best efforts to stop the pump cavitating the tank , right now I'm out of diagnostic mode.

Now I'm taking the opportunity to say thanks to everybody. First of all to Jon Amo and Jon Wennerberg for running the landracing.com site that carries this great forum, we have learned a huge amount from this resource and it has kept us inspired. In general thanks to everybody for taking us seriously, we weren't born to lake racing families but we really feel like we've been adopted and what we were doing needed a wider source of info and support than we could find just here in Australia. We fell in love with the look of the early bellytanks and wanted to build something that carried the beautiful heritage that had been created over the last 60years since Bill Burke had his "lightning bolt" moment but at the same time we had a tank that as far as we were aware hadn't been used before. I've said it before but it bears repeating , Dik and I are the kind of guys who think they can do anything , when we found out how hard this was we were too stubborn to give up. It took a lot longer than we ever thought , and cost more than six times what we thought it would , I don't regret a single part of it. I have learnt things , I have combined areas of knowledge that I had that I thought were disparate and I have  developed and used skills that I thought were the preserve of the expert tradesman.This however wouldn't have happened without Dik , the beautiful car we took to the lake was drawn by him , the proof is that avatar next to his Reverend Hedgash name that he created five years ago. His attention to detail , refusal to cut corners and incredible eye for line and style made the little tank what it is, thanks mate you're a genius.Sure we've had our moments but here we are.

Thanks to all you guys who've tipped in with advice. Sum , the indefatigable , you are a point man...your collation of info and design points is a priceless goldmine of info for anyone building a lake car. Stainless, to the point ,proven ,and humble I'm flattered that you dig our thing.Most of all Dolan, Jack you gave us pearls of wisdom and the results of years of experience that made us really feel like it was all worthwhile, important even that we did what we were doing ,come back this place needs you.

Thanks everyone.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: lady Hedgash on March 19, 2009, 08:13:50 PM
Well Done Graeme, Dr Goggles, Rev. H ( honey) and everyone who has contributed their knowledge and experiences into this build.
I am so impressed on so many levels.
I couldn't be there this year as I was busy building a belly tank at home, but I am mighty proud. I was scared....
you never want to stop a mans dreams but sometimes the timing is a bit shaky..... but well, I held onto faith in the guys,
and in all who had advised and assisted them along the way..... wow!- what a result!!
Good luck to everyone out there inspired by this years events to spend another year in the shed!
Lots of love to Sum and Ruth too.
L. Hedgash and Egg xx
Title: Re: Front end
Post by: fredeuce on March 19, 2009, 08:53:23 PM

Hi Doc and Rev ,

I finally hopped on board this site and have just read and enjoyed your epic log of "The Adventures of Doc and Rev and the Belly Tank affair". I expect there have been lashings of beer in lieu of ginger beer as well . I query if there is also a "Timmy" the dog ?

That image  of the Canberra Bomber on page 1 is one that is familiar to me. That is my cousin Lincoln's as we discussed at the salt. Very small world. What's that thing about the six degrees of separation? Might be something in that.

Cheers,
Fred
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Sumner on March 19, 2009, 10:13:32 PM
Hey you guys and the female support team are the heroes.  You had a vision then a plan and the going wasn't easy and then to get rained out and all the other problems that reared their heads and never giving up or even getting a bad attitude about things, wow we are all proud of you and you have been an inspiration to all of us.

c ya and thanks for taking us on your journey,

Sum and Ruth

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 19, 2009, 10:26:47 PM
Thanks Fred , yes an amazing coincidence indeed( in case anyone missed it Fred is a DLRA member and it turns out his cousin owns the Canberra bomber pictured on page one of this thread from which our tank originally came from). It is but one of the many examples of serendipity or coincidence that have happened during the build of the car. For example , on the way to the salt his year I borrowed a Landcruiser from my sister and in the rush of just swapping the trailer onto it and leaving I neglected to find out how to switch over to the long range fuel tank. Later that night we found ourselves still on the back roads in the western district of Victoria and very low on diesel. We stopped at a country pub that was jumping and asked the barman if he knew where we could get some diesel...he said "sure I'll make a few calls" we ended up knocking on the door of the closed service station in the main street. a guy came out "yeah sure , he rang , you're lucky because I was about to go home"...as he was filling the tank he asked where we were headed , so I told him. He held out his hand and said "Bernie Kelly ,member number 11". He took us inside and showed us the Harrow transport museum that included the xxo/gl entry they'd run for a few years and the 307 Biscayne that he'd towed it there with and then run 108 mph in...he had photo's from meets in the early nineties and there were plenty of guys I could identify although they had a lot more hair and a lot less pounds........as we drove off I thought to myself , there's always someone looking over us  Oh Great God of Speed........... :wink:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on March 20, 2009, 12:07:56 AM
Don't forget the great gremlin of speed either though...

Somehow in the course of three weeks the Spirit of Sunshine team lost four wheels and one tyre on four different vehicles!!!

None of us had ever lost a wheel before on a trailer, and the four wheels lost were all trailer episodes, 1 on the trip to the salt, two back.

Some kind of spooky gremlin has regularly boarded the truck whenever I visit the SA border too.

Anyone know an exorcism that works?


rH+
ps It is also a surpise to me that the lady H found us here... we need to hide some other web forum elsewhere now...
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Freud on March 20, 2009, 12:46:47 AM
They just kept walking toward the bright light and one day that was the salt flat. You buggars is fantastic.

I'm so proud of the way you persevered and now "next year" can't get here soon enough. The danmed goal

will always extend 'till next year.

Good Go, Mates,

FREUD
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: maj on March 20, 2009, 08:45:40 AM
Dik it wasn't just your team,
lost my first one near Mildura monday morn at 1.30am and the second just after Nonning many hours later.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Glen on March 20, 2009, 10:30:00 AM
It's a common thing to see race car trailers along the way to Bonneville with tire problems. Seems like every year the racers are helping another along the way. Wit the 100+ F temps an the road temps 130F + they take a beating. Always carry two spares.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: jimmy six on March 20, 2009, 12:37:10 PM
Everyone should "over tire" their trailers. My #7000 gross tires didn't make one trip. Moved to #10,000 gross tires and lasted 2 years. Now I have #12,000 gross tires and store the trailer on blocks with the tires covered. Cheap insurance................Good Luck
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: t russell on March 20, 2009, 04:49:47 PM
Thanks for the build diary.Great  car.
terry
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on March 20, 2009, 06:17:02 PM
It's a common thing to see race car trailers along the way to Bonneville with tire problems. Seems like every year the racers are helping another along the way. Wit the 100+ F temps an the road temps 130F + they take a beating. Always carry two spares.

And we're lucky here in the states - you can get to Bonneville on pavement all the way.  I'd refer you to the good Doctor's post from last year when he made the trip out to Gardnier.

http://www.landracing.com/forum/index.php/topic,862.msg47429.html#msg47429

Despite the absolute beauty of the trip, I'm seeing dirt roads that I'd be cautious about taking a tractor on.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 20, 2009, 06:51:24 PM
Next year I'll be putting the hassle on everyone to have a spare hub that fits their trailer, and to have driven the studs out to check they're not seized. That way whether you have a bearing/hub problem or a stud problem you're close to a fix. I'm also going to look at ways of fixing a small skid under the spring plate so when the disaster does( it will) strike it is protected rather than being the point of contact with the road ...two reasons for this, the first is it can quickly grind the bottom of the U bolts meaning a replacement, might displace the spring too, that's a PITA with a loaded trailer on the side of the highway and more importantly would reduce the sudden drag on the car and trailer and the potential for losing control .

Now , none of theses trailer are in the same realm as Burt's home made job , but the fact that he lost a wheel ...is kind of ironic......next it'll be dried dog balls :wink:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on March 22, 2009, 03:13:48 AM
Everyone should "over tire" their trailers. My #7000 gross tires didn't make one trip. Moved to #10,000 gross tires and lasted 2 years. Now I have #12,000 gross tires and store the trailer on blocks with the tires covered. Cheap insurance................Good Luck

In our case it wasn't the tyre that failed
The first failure was when the wheel studs broke off the the trailer after axle had moved on the 100 mile dirt road leaving the lake. The second failure was when the 70's mag wheel exploded of the hub and took out the wheel studs, and U bolts holding the trailer axle in and flipping slipper type spring out of it's thing. It also pulled the skin off the trailer.
I sent the Rev off to retrieve the lost wheel, and apart from a bit of tread missing, i think the tyre would've gone around once more. However the wheel was in about five bits
So , we learned that Light truck tyres are good , and second hand mag wheels are bad.
Also if it it wasn't for Steve Barnett and Andy? convincing a the local car wrecker at Bordertown in SA that at seven PM on a sunday night when he was well closed and on his way out to an 18th birthday party, to sell him a wheel some wheel studs and a set of trailer u bolts, and a second hand wheel, and also booked us room in  a local hotel, well me and the Rev would have had a tiring night asleep in the car on the side of the road
Thanks Steve and Andy.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on April 01, 2009, 08:24:34 PM
here's a shot from Greg Wapling the webmaster at DLRA.org.au/forum

(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y74/dlra/profiles/374/374-010.jpg)

there are more on the page here.......

http://www.dlra.org.au/forum/viewtopic.php?t=263&start=300

some beautys, thanks Greg... :wink:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Glen on April 01, 2009, 08:33:28 PM
Good looking hot rod,  What, No pictures of the trailer and wheel pieces.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on April 01, 2009, 09:31:04 PM
Good looking hot rod,  What, No pictures of the trailer and wheel pieces.
...na just some "wheel nuts" Rev Left , Doc Right.........

(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y74/dlra/profiles/374/374-011.jpg)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on April 01, 2009, 11:31:48 PM
Good looking hot rod,  What, No pictures of the trailer and wheel pieces.
...na just some "wheel nuts" Rev Left , Doc Right.........

(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y74/dlra/profiles/374/374-011.jpg)

Ya mean "a couple of Lug Nuts" .... otherwise it is lost in translation....
Luv the car guys, keep up the good work...  8-)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: PJQ on April 02, 2009, 06:55:22 PM
One other hero of the tank's inaugural trip... the ole Mongrel Troopy.
Spent the week chasing the little tank (and a few bikes) without skipping a beat (lost trailer wheel was drivers fault :oops:).
(http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e216/PJQ/Shade.jpg)
Seen here providing shade from scorching sun, as a shady looking Doctor ponders Salt life.

(http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e216/PJQ/Bulldust2.jpg)
...and here, diving into Bulldust dragging the trailer and tank home  (Outback dust as fine as talc powder, gets into everything)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on April 02, 2009, 07:27:34 PM
One other hero of the tank's inaugural trip... the ole Mongrel Troopy.

(http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e216/PJQ/Bulldust2.jpg)
...and here, diving into Bulldust dragging the trailer and tank home  (Outback dust as fine as talc powder, gets into everything)

This was the good section of road, right?  It's no wonder you lost a wheel.  Over here, you hop on the freeway and then take a right past the Sinclair station.  For all of our bitching, we've got it easy.

Rev, Doc, your determination is beyond reproach.

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Glen on April 02, 2009, 07:40:27 PM
Muroc dry lake has the same kind of dust. Always a major clean up after the events. At least the roads were paved to get there. El Mirage is no where that bad.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on April 02, 2009, 08:12:23 PM
not absolutely sure but what I understand is that the "bulldust" ( and that's what it's called) suddenlylets go when there's heavy traffic, hence there being almost none on the way in .....on the way out therewere patches a hundred yards long and as deep as a foot....If you look in the photo above it appears to be splashing out in front of the truck......there was this stuff, talc dry and then sections that were flooded bogs . The problem is the effort to build up a road in such remote areas is not considered worthwhile and so quite often the road actually lies below the surrounding ground level, that's beaut on the rare occasions when it rains....often a wind-row forms along the sides of the road of fine dust with a crisp lip along it.

If you look out behind the car after a patch of the bulldust you'll see a dust cloud along the whole way you've come and then huge clouds like explosions where you've hit the bulldust.....

There was a wet creek crossing after a sharp right hand bend on the way out that got just about everybody, we hit it at dusk at about 50mph, with about a seconds notice........
 I felt for anyone who got bogged going home.....at the end of the week out there you just want to get home , fast .....a messy, red mud pile would be the livin' end!

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on April 02, 2009, 10:15:34 PM
So next year I am accepting the use of my brother Nissan Patrol
Traction didn't seem to be a problem
But you should see the underneath of the Commodore (Aussie Car)
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Freud on April 02, 2009, 10:43:50 PM
Dr GoGGles............did the surplus shirts survive?

We have Muroc Dust but we know u never get rid of that.

What we don't have is a supply of your event shirts.

I think I forgot to tell the fellows: no refunds.

Take what we can get after the dirt bath in the trailer with the bad doors.

FREUD
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on April 02, 2009, 11:03:19 PM
Dr GoGGles............did the surplus shirts survive?
FREUD

iL Contrere!!!......there will be a new run done, order away.....Norm Hardinge, his wife Vicky and likely the Hadfields will be going to Bonneville and they will be ferrying the shirts.... so there'll be ship-loads
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Nexxussian on April 03, 2009, 01:14:54 AM
I have seen dust that fine, yes, it gets everywhere. :x


Right now we have ash that fine, somewhat more abrasive though. :-(

All up, it definetly looks like a good time.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: PJQ on April 07, 2009, 08:39:54 AM
(http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e216/PJQ/_3100021a_1.jpg)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on April 07, 2009, 09:42:25 AM
That is one for the mantle... if you have a fireplace... otherwise anywhere in the living room or even in the bedroom if you need a performance enhancer... :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: saltwheels262 on April 07, 2009, 09:58:02 AM
#374 is a real beauty.

franey
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on April 07, 2009, 07:53:18 PM
That is one for the mantle... if you have a fireplace... otherwise anywhere in the living room or even in the bedroom if you need a performance enhancer... :-D


Yep, it's a beautiful shot.......I've got what must be somewhere between one and two thousand of 'em, some absolutely sensational stuff. There's some magazine features coming up soon too.....the thing is when I look at some of them I wish i'd spent more than a day painting it :oops:...but you all know the story, you tell someone you spent five years building it and while you're looking down at it right there in front of you there's a piece of bodywork that looks like it was prepped by a five year old
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: bvillercr on April 07, 2009, 08:54:58 PM
Looks great, what a shot! :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on April 13, 2009, 08:46:05 PM
That is one for the mantle... if you have a fireplace... otherwise anywhere in the living room or even in the bedroom if you need a performance enhancer... :-D

Mantle - hell, that one deserves a tattoo.

Just stunning!
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on April 28, 2009, 03:15:52 AM
For the first time since the meet I saw the Reverend last night .....well, I've had nothing to confess , no guidance has been sought ....so anyway he fronts at the door last night. Great moustache, just right for the first world war.....

We had a cup of tea as I coaxed him toward the shed. I mumbled something about how I want him to model a "hot-rod" style plaque that we can make out of some boiled down cheesium( that's the stuff they make manifolds out of , come on)....so we get out to the shed ..."have you started it yet"?...."na , gave it a crack last week but the pump doesn't sound like it's working..."...... so we gave it a few cranks and sure enough it didn't fire nor did it sound like the fuel pump was working....., so it sat there for a while with the ignition on as we undid the fueltank......just as we started to lift the fuel tank I could feel warmth....." that's weird I thought, has he been hanging onto the fuel line?" ....no , the fuel pump is stuffed , goosed , rooted, kaput, .....it makes heat but she no longer do the pump....... It was brand new about , er , twenty five miles ago.The filter sits between the (new) aluminium tank and the pump but it seems that the detritus from the tank still monstered the pump......it wasn't a cheap one :x :x :x :x

I'm thinking there's a few wise old heads right now saying to themselves " yeah well you'll get that...." and yer right , so out ya come share your fuel pump expertise and tell me should I ditch the alloy tank and make a stainless one? should we have two filters? , how do you stop your pump from cavitating?.............

anyway,the news is that when I spoke to Grumm this afternoon he said " yeah , I've got the video footage from inside the car( which the Rev and I had forgotten about ) it's really nicely framed and captures the whole last run perfectly....the motor dieing , the Rev getting out and nearly breaking off the canopy, then walking off toward the island when he'd got lost and the motor wouldn't start again..." .


....boy am I dieing to see that!!! :wink:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Nexxussian on April 28, 2009, 04:17:20 AM
A co-worker / racer friend of mine was using a submersible Wallbro pump (the 255 LPM one) and I couldn't get it through to him till he locked up a couple that the pick up sock had to be on. :roll:

He wound up whacking the pump about a bit and got it to work again (not reccomended, but might be worth a try) till his replacement got here.

Is there a different pickup sock or prefilter you could run?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on April 28, 2009, 05:35:35 AM
Yep
Fickle things those EFI pumps
No sense of humor when it comes to small particles of Cheesium
It may be a lot of things but it has been found to be not compatible with EFI fuel pumps.
"Cheesium is the fourth element in the Idiotic Table of the Elements, and is an essential building-block for dairy products and moons."


http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Cheesium

G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on April 28, 2009, 02:57:36 PM
So, Dr. G-

You gonna send that video link to me so I can put it on the website for all to peruse?  I think it'd be dandy if you did. . .

By the way, I got the photobucket link and will see if that's good enough for Darryl.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on April 29, 2009, 06:51:31 AM
So, Dr. G-

You gonna send that video link to me so I can put it on the website for all to peruse?  I think it'd be dandy if you did. . .

By the way, I got the photobucket link and will see if that's good enough for Darryl.  Thanks.

Jon
The hard copy is on the way to your house. I posted it today so you may see it next week
The Video is a bit on the large side, and the funny thing is you will probably see it before Goggles does
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: wobblywalrus on April 29, 2009, 10:40:58 PM
At work I use various lake racer pictures as screensavers.  Folks look at these.  The two belly tanks, the blue and silver one and the red and white job, get lots of favorable comments.  Many of these people have no idea about speed racing. These pill shaped things are good-will ambassadors for our sport.     
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on April 29, 2009, 11:33:38 PM
A co-worker / racer friend of mine was using a submersible Wallbro pump (the 255 LPM one) and I couldn't get it through to him till he locked up a couple that the pick up sock had to be on. :roll:
He wound up whacking the pump about a bit and got it to work again (not reccomended, but might be worth a try) till his replacement got here.
Is there a different pickup sock or prefilter you could run?

looking into that , the tank is epoxy lined too so I'm interested to see what it is that got through the canister filter and into the pump that was small enough to get there yet big enough to conk it....

At work I use various lake racer pictures as screensavers.  Folks look at these.  The two belly tanks, the blue and silver one and the red and white job, get lots of favorable comments.  Many of these people have no idea about speed racing. These pill shaped things are good-will ambassadors for our sport.     

now that's a nice thing to hear ,be sure to tell them that the "blue and silver" one( Al Fountain's) was built by a guy with a long and rich history in hotrods to an exacting standard, and that the "red and white job was built by two Johnny come latelys in a back yard...we don't want to get the two confused :wink:

So, Dr. G-

You gonna send that video link to me so I can put it on the website for all to peruse?  I think it'd be dandy if you did. . .

By the way, I got the photobucket link and will see if that's good enough for Darryl.  Thanks.
"

I am DESPERATE to see that , I'm thinking of a re-edit on the sound before I post it on poo-tube........ :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on April 30, 2009, 01:37:08 AM
So are you going to edit out our pre run coversation?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on April 30, 2009, 09:40:16 AM
Johnny and Come Lately, you have started a rich hot rodding history, there are people that talk and people that do... Everyone that builds something from anything and gets it down any patch of salt or dirt is an accomplished hot rodder.  Your lakester has such a classic look and feel.   

Don't edit that film.... I don't care if you think you were a blubbering idiot pre-race, you were just like all of us.  :-D  I am looking forward to seeing it.  Get it up... the video... I'm sure everything else is still up...  :roll:   its only been a month or so right....
 :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on May 05, 2009, 05:26:03 AM
Ok , I've seen it now. No not a blubbering idiot just the usual foul mouthed chatterbox, engaging in schoolboy level chit-chat with Grumm.......the shot is static and is from my (our) left shoulder  so you can't see down the track.....the staging is most of it...the Rev and I making(whispered) plans to harm our German photographer mate Frank while we stage a hand-shake shot for him to shoot, Grumm telling me to run 165 on the 150 license pass( me.."I'm on it"), Grumm making like he's farting into the cab once I'm strapped in....the usual stuff. Me swearing , more, "f*** get the umbrella I'm dieing in here!"

It doesn't show the tach,the GPS or the shift light and I can't hear the motor faltering as the fuel pump cut-out hits at 5200.. but I still get all keyed up when I watch it.......1 minute 34 seconds from leaving the line to buttoning off at the three mile . Not really much for the casual observer . It seems strange but I don't have much memory of the runs , I guess because of the anticipation and the adrenaline and the fact that the runs themselves are fairly uneventful and featureless .......but, don't get me wrong , just sitting there watching this little video pretty much of my hands on the wheel and the sound of the motor...I was holding my breath and an inch off my seat ..........I need to get out more :wink:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on May 12, 2009, 05:44:48 AM
And congratulations are in order to the Rev and the lovely Amber (Ms.Rev) on the birth of , According to Rev , Trillian Scrumptious von Pomborneit Hedgash last nite at ten PM AUEST
I hope he was joking about the name
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Geo on May 12, 2009, 09:44:16 AM
That's great news!

Congrats to Amber and Rev.

Welcome "Lilly von gash" .  TSvPH is just too long for a welcome, but just right for the teenage years call in.

Geo
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: fredeuce on May 18, 2009, 03:45:08 AM
And congratulations are in order to the Rev and the lovely Amber (Ms.Rev) on the birth of , According to Rev , Trillian Scrumptious von Pomborneit Hedgash last nite at ten PM AUEST
I hope he was joking about the name
G

Im sure a name like that is now actionable in the Courts. Sounds a bit Pythonesque to me. A bit like Norman St. John Polevaulter whose been contradicting people lately.  :-D

Congrats Rev on the littl'un. :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on May 18, 2009, 09:17:09 AM
Im sure a name like that is now actionable in the Courts. Sounds a bit Pythonesque to me. A bit like Norman St. John Polevaulter whose been contradicting people lately.  :-D

Congrats Rev on the littl'un. :cheers:


I was thinking it was more chitty chitty bang bang

G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: PJQ on May 22, 2009, 12:47:57 AM
the SpeedWeek that was...
(http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e216/PJQ/SaltSunset.jpg)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Peter Jack on May 22, 2009, 09:16:22 AM
Photography's my other obsession. That's a great shot!

Pete
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on May 25, 2009, 03:17:29 AM
Photography's my other obsession. That's a great shot!
Pete

The best shots I have seen of the car ( there's a few!!!) are by our old mate Frank Kletchskus.....now despite everything we hurl at him he keeps coming back......Frank is obsessed by anything old with wheels, he had a Brough ,he has wartime sidecar jobs..........he used to be a fashion photographer but there's a certain age where you either give that up or go to jail......now he travels the world sometimes dragging his Indian with him, sometimes not. He writes articles for car and bike mags and sometimes they get published.....just the other day he sent us all a pdf of one that he hadn't yet been paid for about the last DLRA meet , it was great Frank but none of us can read spinach or Spanich or even Spanish...but , the photo's were great.........


anyway Frank sent us a contact sheet a while back of pics of the Bellytank's first time at the salt with strict instructions that it was not to be shown ......the shots were absolutely fantastic, and even some torch lit long exposures......

FRANK IF YOU ARE LURKING POST SOME OF YOUR PHOTOS HERE,NOW !!!!WE'RE DYING TO SEE THEM.
Title: eye-feast from Frank
Post by: Dr Goggles on May 28, 2009, 12:47:49 AM
Well it seems that the hassle worked . Frank has sent me an email with a link to his new site, it's only just up and running but there's some nice stuff and it isn't all of our tank :roll:.......gee if you go to the main page there's even some stuff from his former life as a fashion snapper.......

bog in

http://www.frankkletschkus.moonfruit.com/speed/4533837790
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: 4-barrel Mike on May 28, 2009, 01:04:43 AM
Great slideshow!  Great looking car!

Mike
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: wobblywalrus on May 30, 2009, 02:49:30 AM
The picture of the belly tank on the salt at night is unusual but nice.  That is quite a trick to get the lighting just right.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on May 30, 2009, 04:18:29 AM
The "night" shots are from what I gather a long digital exposure and he may use a torch light ....I'll check up on that......but yeah they're great , also good are the one's of the three wheeler with the camera on a boom mount off the car so it is sharp and all else blurred....
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: manta22 on May 30, 2009, 01:05:52 PM
Very nice photos-- thanks.

The cockpit switches are mounted "upside down" from what I'm used to. Southern hemisphere effect?  :-D

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on June 06, 2009, 11:55:57 PM
Yesterday was the first "Tank Day" for the '09/10 racing year....all that I'd really done was take the bodywork off , let the tyres down and give it a wash. The fact that there was moisture beading on parts of the frame indicated that there was still salt residue , old timers will attest to the kinds of places it gets to.So yesterday we did the job properly . We emptied the water tank and took it off so we could get in to the engine bay, removed the fuel tank filter and lines and plugged up everything on the motor and gave it a really good wash. It has never looked so clean.

 It was good to get into the bay and see that nothing had given up, also to see that some oil had got out of the gearbox breather and dripped straight onto one of the collector pipes.....that explains the rich sulphur smell on my first run.Nothing looked cooked, the heat shields that we had placed anywhere that the exhaust went near something vital all seemed to do their job, the gearshift linkages all look AOK. There's another list going up on the board inside the shed....this time there are items in blue and red, they are non-vital and expensive rather than the essential items in white.

In the removal of the fuel pump and lines I had a bit of a muck around with it and after emptying the fuel out of it and hooking a wire up to it found that it had freed itself up ......it's a Bosch 580 044, it has only gone about 30miles......it now has written on it "died '09, keep as spare" my feeling is that it has copped a piece of epoxy from the tank lining. We will buy a new one. We will install a sock and a better in-line filter before the pump.While we were emptying the fuel tank I heard that all too familiar sucking sound as we drained the fuel through the outlet hose...I built a cross piece about one and a half inches high that sits over the outlet to prevent eddying......that obviously doesn't work, hopefully a better inline filter will lessen the potential for dangerous cavitation. I now regret even thinking of building the Al fuel tank, the effort of getting it fuel tight and expense of the liner in the end were a waste. I should have made one out of steel, or stainless with a removable plate so I could farnarkle about inside AND use an intank pump...because they are cheap and plentiful...............note to self..........the companies that make cars by the million do lots of things that save them money,and make things last longer and easier to fix when they don't( not always but mostly)......watch and learn son. :oops:

We need to upgrade our fire system. There is a problem that we are fast running out of room inside the car. There is a third bottle mount but we are not sure yet that we have the correct weight of extinguishant for the 200mph category..... There is the possibility we'll go a complete rework and place a large bottle in the very tail.

The blower manifold needs to be built, the associated changes for that are yet to be sorted.....injectors? MAP sensor?

We are looking into front brakes, drums will fit inside what we have , we were just never keen on the extra "stuff" that we need up there to run them but if there is another test and tune day at Mangalore airfield we are going to need them.


Anyway, that was Tank Day.......
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on June 07, 2009, 08:45:04 AM
Thanks for the nice refrain on the wear from this year's racing. 

What's "farnakle"?  Farkle to the next power?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: willieworld on June 07, 2009, 11:44:31 AM
 "In essence, Farnarkeling is engaged in by two teams whose purpose is to arkle, and to prevent the other team from arkeling, using a flukem to propel a gonad through sets of posts situated at random around the periphery of a grommet. Arkeling is not permissible, however, from any position adjacent to the phlange (or leiderkrantz) or from within 15 yards of the wiffenwacker at the point where the shifting tube abuts the centre-line on either side of the 34 metre mark, measured from the valve at the back of the defending side's transom-housing."      willie buchta
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on June 07, 2009, 12:20:52 PM
"In essence, Farnarkeling is engaged in by two teams whose purpose is to arkle, and to prevent the other team from arkeling, using a flukem to propel a gonad through sets of posts situated at random around the periphery of a grommet. Arkeling is not permissible, however, from any position adjacent to the phlange (or leiderkrantz) or from within 15 yards of the wiffenwacker at the point where the shifting tube abuts the centre-line on either side of the 34 metre mark, measured from the valve at the back of the defending side's transom-housing."      willie buchta

Gee, Willie, you're kind of stating the obvious here, but I suppose there might be a few readers who don't understand the nuance and art of Farnarkeling, as per Madagascar rules, which you've so clearly laid out for us.

Indonesian Farnarkeling, well, that's another story.  I'm a traditionalist when it comes to true Farnarkeling - Indonesian Farnarkeling -  but I understand the economics of the sport, and it's still great to watch, even without a quadratic postliner.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on June 07, 2009, 12:22:55 PM
We will be having many tank (Box?) days between not and 8-01-09  :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on June 07, 2009, 11:51:42 PM
........and you  know for a minute there I thought you just made that up Wilhelm, as for you others , crikey , blow me down, tie me to a fence post and smear my ears with jam.......

the context I was intending was shall we say "messing,fooling,F******!" around.................like , "is he serious or is he just farnarkling around"

My experience with the you beaut Aluminium fuel tank that I labored over is,

1./ Why did I make it out of Aluminium when I don't need it to be light? (and I didn't make the effort of sticking "carbon fibre look" stuff on the outside.)
2./ Why didn't I use steel when I can weld it airtight in my sleep? ( yeah , I'm a Mig dinosaur....but I could have gone stainless)
3./ Why didn't I make an inspection plate? ( too late now Einstein it's epoxied and it's had fuel in it)
4./ Why am I telling you all this?  :oops:

I guess I am telling you this because I'm being frank about what I think a lot of people know when they come back from some early racing or testing and reflect on how clever they thought they were when  they built this or that little bit , then went just that extra yard to make it work , and a little bit extra for insurance to get back home and think " what a dickhead,how did I fool myself into doing that?"...next time I'll be a little more wary when I'm trying to convince myself of something. :wink:

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: hitz on June 08, 2009, 12:26:29 AM
But...............but...... Isn't that just the way it works?? :|


Old enough to know better

Harv
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: theazoldcrow on June 08, 2009, 12:35:37 AM
Harv!  "Old enough to know better,,,,But,,,,young enough not to resist!  Crow  :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: PJQ on June 10, 2009, 01:26:55 AM
Going a bit hard on yourself Ole-Doc, it's pretty simple really...
Al was flavour of the month when you did it...
the fancy-pants welding course was in full flight, and the tank was being cut-n-shut, there was lots of Al work going on for inspiration. The Al lines were on the welder, there were sheets of the stuff lying around being used to keep the chooks out of the shed.
Seemed right at the time.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on June 10, 2009, 09:13:35 AM
Hey Doc, bearing you soul in public is better than showing your A$$.... usually hindsight is 20/20... this forum is about helping others and showing someone where you think (whether you did or not) you went wrong or could have done it differently... that is what we all aspire to do.  You guys built a great racer, you may have realized by now that it will never be done, that is just the way it is in LSR... always changing something, improving, trying to get that next MPH....
We have raced the Bockscar for 24 years and we usually end up changing something every year, trying to improve, let us know how you guys are doing for the next 20 years.... We will be watching this thread as you improve the tank, keep up the good work
 :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Freud on June 10, 2009, 10:13:18 AM
Stainless....don't encourage this neanderthal.

When the world goes up-side-down, he will be on top.

FREUD
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: maj on June 10, 2009, 10:14:43 AM
Doc look inside the entry of your pump, i think you will find there is a screen in there , bosch pumps don't like being squeezed and maybe your mount was a bit tight for it, wetsuit type stubby holder and not too tight hose clamp seems to work well for me, also check your electrical stuff associated with the pump .
i have lately being using ex supercar V8 044 pumps and they always need the fuel cell internal foam pieces removed from the screen before use.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on June 10, 2009, 07:42:03 PM
Doc look inside the entry of your pump, i think you will find there is a screen in there , bosch pumps don't like being squeezed and maybe your mount was a bit tight for it, wetsuit type stubby holder and not too tight hose clamp seems to work well for me, also check your electrical stuff associated with the pump .
i have lately being using ex supercar V8 044 pumps and they always need the fuel cell internal foam pieces removed from the screen before use.

There you go, polite helpful, knowledgable....and unusually for a motorcyclist he can even spell :evil:.....Thanks Greg, I reckon you may have summed it up, it is clamped inside a piece of exhaust tube , a perfect fit but yes you are probably right.....the other thing I wondered about is whether the wiring was up to it, I noticed( can't remember exactly right now) when I looked into it that they pull BIG current.

Stainless....don't encourage this neanderthal.
When the world goes up-side-down, he will be on top.
FREUD

Now, Freud , I am flattered that you credit me with such potential. :wink:
Going a bit hard on yourself Ole-Doc, it's pretty simple really...
Al was flavour of the month when you did it...
the fancy-pants welding course was in full flight, and the tank was being cut-n-shut, there was lots of Al work going on for inspiration. The Al lines were on the welder, there were sheets of the stuff lying around being used to keep the chooks out of the shed.

a bit of background folks , I had a black and a brown chook, they were called Jack( Black) and Jackie( Brown)...Jack was as silly as a wheel , Jackie however was smarter than some of my friends( not that I'm naming any of them)......NOTHING could keep her out of the shed.....well maybe kevlar but I never had sheets of that lying around........
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on June 10, 2009, 09:48:00 PM
Doc, the wiring was our issue 2 years ago, managed to try to pump 20 amp max draw through a 5 amp relay and #18 wire....  the little electrons couldn't get through the chute fast enough to turn the pump pressure to the required number... for the required amount of time... sorted out the problem right after we got back from the salt.... #8 covers the draw with no problem

Freud has confidence in ya if you are drawing his ire....
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on June 10, 2009, 11:13:08 PM
Freud has confidence in ya if you are drawing his ire....

you're right there , I am the talk of the place here at work after the inspiring T-shirt design he sent me t'other day......it has warmed the heart of many :-D :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on June 10, 2009, 11:40:25 PM
When the world goes up-side-down, he will be on top.
It kind of depends on how you look at it - it could be argued that the Good Doctor is already on top, and we're the ones with our maps flipped . . . :roll:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on June 11, 2009, 08:57:34 AM
Doc, the wiring was our issue 2 years ago, managed to try to pump 20 amp max draw through a 5 amp relay and #18 wire....  the little electrons couldn't get through the chute fast enough to turn the pump pressure to the required number... for the required amount of time... sorted out the problem right after we got back from the salt.... #8 covers the draw with no problem

Freud has confidence in ya if you are drawing his ire....

I have every confidence in the 40 amp relay and the wire to the fuel pump circuit
Ohm's law was considered
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on June 11, 2009, 11:48:29 AM
Grumm, thought we did to, that stuff was lurking in the parts of the bike harness we had to use for the bike ECU .... I know, you don't have that issue since you built yours from scratch
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on June 11, 2009, 10:56:16 PM
Grumm, thought we did to, that stuff was lurking in the parts of the bike harness we had to use for the bike ECU .... I know, you don't have that issue since you built yours from scratch

Well, not entirely from scratch!
But there was a lot of head scratching going on when i put the loom on and it worked and then five minutes later didn't work.
It turned out to be a fusable link hidden inside the loom that had fused. Which when i decided that I was "going in" and started to slice the loom open turned out to be in the very first place i looked. And of course i re used the original engine loom which had some issues with the alternator wiring.
G
Title: In the background.....................
Post by: Dr Goggles on June 24, 2009, 10:06:17 PM
Yeah, you guessed I am the kind of guy to be standing in the background pulling faces when they interview someone on TV, waving "Hi Mum" as the camera pans over the crowd, face pressed up against the glass behind the breakfast show, well not really but it fitted with the photo below...Paul McIntosh has built up a Vespa smoker.... http://www.vespalabs.org/  with a KDX donor.....he's a smart and determined cat ....well, smart enough at least to use our car in the background of his shot..... :wink:

(http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd35/Jarman-Stewart/PICT1339_Large.jpg)

We've had a great amount of magazine coverage for the car, nearly all positive , no-one more surprised than us ............., I haven't got tired of looking at it yet, and that's saying something because we sure as hail have a lot of pix.One guy had the cheek to suggest that the Rev and I had made our names up.....indeed :roll:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stan Back on June 24, 2009, 10:58:27 PM
I can't imagine that!

Stan Back
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: willieworld on June 24, 2009, 11:55:20 PM
Dr.    how fast did the vespa run and does anyone know the speed rating on the tires     willie buchta
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on June 25, 2009, 12:11:45 AM
Wilhelm, the Vespa fell short of expectations, but he will be back. Grumm441 ( the short fat guy with the limp , not the tall skinny guy with the limp...that's me apparently)who has been answering your questions about the 10 inchers is tight with him...It was Paul I gather who turned upwiththe letter from the manufacturer of the tyres ......I'll shut up now ...Grumm is the man to PM over this one.
adios.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: jl222 on June 25, 2009, 12:19:30 AM
Dr.    how fast did the vespa run and does anyone know the speed rating on the tires     willie buchta

  Willie if you go to that Vespa site and search around under landspeed the guy has a site about the scooter and what tires he used '' P rated''

  Good luck JL222

    scroll way down to ''dry lake racer'' then when site comes up hit dry lake racer again.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: willieworld on June 25, 2009, 12:29:27 AM
Dr.  i sent paul an e-mail and he wrote me back he is having the same problem as me  they did raise the tire rating that he is using but still below sheris fuel record--i did find some tires for a 10 in rim that are H and V rated i am going to build sheri a new bike basically around the front wheel and tire --so you can see the importance of having a higher rating than we really need --the good news is the H and V rated are made by the same company and will fit on the same rim  --i dont have the part numbers yet but when i do i will send them to paul---thanks for all of your help it is much appricated                              willie buchta
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on June 25, 2009, 05:14:23 AM
Willie
Paul's problem is that he can only run a 3.50 x 10 on the back as even a little bit bigger runs into the engine case
And that picture is Paul internetscooter s vespa
I believe the top speed was 82.201
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on July 19, 2009, 10:05:59 PM
Ok Ok Ok enough of the scooter chat , crikey , what is this .....ITS THE AUSTRALIAN BELLYTANK PAGE that's what it is....anyway , you're probably wondering what has been happening on the tank front.....the short answer is not very much, at all. I have been busy on eBay looking for the kind of things we might want to put in it , mustering the readies to buy a tough bottom end that we have been offered and generally trying to keep the issue of Salt racing and expenses off the front page at home.....sort of like an anti publicist....it's a covert operation that ticks away silently in the back ground until the end of the year when it explodes into a fully blown panic driven dash to get the car ready again .Best at this point that we can hope for will be a tougher motor .The dreams of changing the rear end to a 2.6 FDR( no , not a dead President , Final Drive Ratio) or lower from 2.77 appear to be a little ambitious at this point.

We may get to build the blower manifold and get the M90 set up organised but that remains to be seen.What will definitely happen is the cosmetic tidy up on thescreen/canopy and some rejigging of the fire system and possibly the front tyres will be changed to Eagles from the current M/T Front runners.

As it stands we're thrilled that Jon chose to use an image of the tank on the Salt Talks T-shirt ! it's a great honor that we haven't taken lightly....along with all the local press we got this year. It just seems that we kind of hit the wall after five years of work to finally get the car to where it belongs, on the salt.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on July 27, 2009, 04:35:12 AM

Now that I am a dad   and pretty much living over 200 kilometers from the shed tank days are getting a bit thin on the  ground so we have got to make them count. (Final name for the kid: Alice Orlando Forrest-Jarman... we got lucky, she is great fun already)

Sooooo... having spent half the day fixing the old motorhome's suspension we got to the important stuff of working again on the tank.

Order of the day was to start finalising the design trim for the canopy. I reckon this is one of the most important trim details on the car as it completes the face of the car and creates the attitude.

So much of Hot Rodding is about "stance" and we spent a lot of time getting the wheels in the right position for the right stretched out feel. There was not much we could do about angle of attack but we felt it was very important to have the axles down the centreline to tie up a lot of datums into one simple line.

Now we have a similar design issue where we are trying to smooth out a lot of "looks" or stance of the face into one cohesive whole.

We don't want the car to look too much like a jet fighter (which the glass from our canopy is from ((a Jet Maachi trainer))) as that will take away from the traditional bellytank look too much, but maintaining some hints of it is ok.

We don't want it to be too curvilinear as it will be a bit too spaghetti like I think so a balance is required.

I love the great Italian car designers of the 60's and they have a dreamy balance of the straight line and the curve. They also have a cool blend of the animal and the machine which I think is also the attitude that we are after.

So with much masking tape and adjustment we got to a point which I think is getting very close to what are final canopy trim will be. I am also trying to keep in mind how it will relate to future liveries as although the current paintjob looks grouse it is a little too derivative of SoCal for my liking and we need to explore other ideas.

The two side windows of the main canopy we are treating like eyes. We were influenced by the chopped Pierson coupe for the side windows further back which have a knowledgable squint in them (very appropriate for the salt...), and we are looking at blending in with these lines.

There is a crease running along the side of the body of the car that we haven't quite ended properly at the canopy yet and so part of this exercise is to incorporate and finish this element in the trim. Part of the drawing of this eye then has been trying to give it the right glint of menace, without being stupidly angry or otherwise. We are getting close and it will change the feeling of the car a bit which is not a bad thing.

It is really nice to be able to spend time on details now and not just on the have to's.

I forgot to take an image, hey Stew! Go out into the shed and snap one off willya?

rH+


Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: wobblywalrus on July 30, 2009, 01:43:00 AM
Its good that you'all are back to thinking about belly tanks with time to work on the small details.  Scooters are dangerous at any speed based on my experiences.  Beer and adolescence may have been factors in most incidents, but I am afraid to ride them sober or otherwise.

Its a very hot night here and I have been thinking about belly tanks.  Has anyone made a tri-belly tank?  The main tank would be similar to the ones used now and the pilot would be in it.  The right tank would cover the right wheels and the left tank would cover the left wheels.  The wheels would project out of the side tank bottoms like the wheels of a motorcycle streamliner.

As I understand, air turbulence around the naked spinning wheels limits belly tank speed.  Covering the wheels tanks may cure this problem and make belly tanks go faster.

Enough for now, its time to go to bed and work on the Triumph in the morning.  We are in the pre-speed trial panic stage.  Lots to do and little time.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on July 30, 2009, 08:47:20 AM

Enough for now, its time to go to bed and work on the Triumph in the morning.  We are in the pre-speed trial panic stage.  Lots to do and little time.

Well you know what they say, "if it wasn't for the last minute, when would anything get done?"
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stan Back on August 01, 2009, 07:12:34 PM
"As I understand, air turbulence around the naked spinning wheels limits belly tank speed.  Covering the wheels tanks may cure this problem and make belly tanks go faster."

Yeah, but  . . . in SCTA they really wouldn't be belly tanks (lakesters) any more.  With the wheels enclosed, they'd run as streamliners -- and the three shapes probably wouldn't be as clean as one shape (streamliner).

Stan
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on August 01, 2009, 09:36:39 PM
.and therein lies one of the little sweeteners for people running tanks down here in the DLRA.......a pair of cycle guards and you're eligible to run in the streamliner class, and there haven't been many records set there....

Yes it has been very quiet here , I'm recuperating from more surgery to my ankle....it had begun to dish out random nerve twitches and the movement was becoming less rather than more as time went on so I went back in for surgery. They took out the screws that were in it , one of them was very close to a nerve and they suspect may have been responsible for some of the agro.They removed a bone spur which was limiting the dorsal movement ( up and down) and then they had a bit of a dig around and removed a bunch of scar tissue that was attached to the tendon running around the back of my inner ankle and dragging on the nerve.......Ow!...............The surgery went well by all accounts, I was asleep.

There'll be no work in the shed til I'm steady again so in the meantime I'm building myself another Telecaster , four of them are not enough. Am also working on "In the Bacharach of the Ute" which is a little show where we're doing Burt songs in the back of my 1967 pick-up( utility) at a local fringe arts festival....Dumb , but fun....

Most likely for next years Salt meet seems to be another motor, as mentioned earlier, tougher bottom end , more comp, better intake manifold.....we'll see. Meanwhile as the Rev mentioned there are a few ouch ups to the body work going on, there'll no doubt be a " midnight hour" paint job too...... :wink:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on September 20, 2009, 12:42:23 AM
Yesterday marked the start of the "new season"....we had Tank Day and we actually got something done.

Last weekend I was supposed to have gone and collected the short motor that we're going to use for next year but I had a case of the "fire drills" yeah, that means  EVERYBODY OUT ALL EXITS NO WAITING!!! I had a fever. the shakes ,aches and various systems were not functioning in their usual failsafe confidence inspiring way....there was no way I was going for a ten hour drive.

We hoisted the motor. We're keeping the heads, ditching the custom Goggles inlet manifold and looking to get a twin TB sidewinder version made by a local performance crowd who reckon it dynoed with up to 20% more torque and revved over 7000rpm.We ran with a stock cam this year, that goes in favour of one that will produce power up to 7k and we'll be getting another flywheel. The old motor looked just like it did when we put it in , save for a few exhaust leaks, nothing looked tortured and as we thought the heat shields that we made stopped anything getting cooked.

One disappointing find was that one of our fire bottles had crapped itself,I'm here to tell you that Aluminium fire bottles aren't worth shit, period. It had a hole where there wasn't supposed to be one, and all the stuff got out.......inside the car. This year we were on the lower limit of how much extinguishant that we needed. Next year we'll be using steel lines too, I don't trust the Al ones.....they are too easily damaged.We didn't think it would but after a bit of work yesterday it seems we can fit a 12lb bottle in the cab which will do us with the 2lb bottle we have for the driver.

We have lots to do , but we know what it is ......it's just what we can afford no more, no less.

Then we had some beer, gee it was a great day. :wink:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: fredeuce on September 20, 2009, 08:53:48 PM

Then we had some beer, gee it was a great day. :wink:

I hope it was some quality beer. No excuse for drinking rubbish these days.

Went to Brisneyland last week to attend the Ekka which is a yearly vintage speedway meet. Discovered James Squire's Golden Ale. A very good drop.  :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on September 20, 2009, 09:43:20 PM
ya didn't come across Geoff Izzard and his dad at the Ekka did you? he's a DLRA member, his dad built Sprint/speedway cars and midgets and raced for years...he's a cracker.

We drank Coopers Pale, being a crow-eater, so should you Fred.

Now , are you going to have a car at the Lake?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: 4-barrel Mike on September 20, 2009, 09:47:55 PM
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=croweater (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=croweater)

Mike
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: theazoldcrow on September 20, 2009, 10:34:10 PM
 :? Hey Dr. Goggles!  Whats a "crow eater?"  I'm always interested in things of that ilk!      Crow.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: fredeuce on September 20, 2009, 11:21:07 PM
ya didn't come across Geoff Izzard and his dad at the Ekka did you? he's a DLRA member, his dad built Sprint/speedway cars and midgets and raced for years...he's a cracker.

We drank Coopers Pale, being a crow-eater, so should you Fred.

Now , are you going to have a car at the Lake?
Unfortunately, didn't come across Mr Izzard. Not a big crowd there but enough to loose yourself in.

As for the Coopers Pale, I did find that on tap at the Brissy Jazz Club. Now you would have to say they are astute operators. :cheers: Quite a treat to find our local brew on tap in the home of XXXX.
Found another good drop up there which was "Fat Yak Pale Ale" . Again not made in Qld. Can't figure why it is that with the Qld climate Castlemaine Perkins produce such a mediocre drop.Must be the consumption of all of that Bundy that distorts the taste buds.

As for the car I expect it to be running but as to being at the lake that is another matter. That will mean dispensing with the 8 Mikunis sitting atop the engine at present and replacing with a Hilborn style mechanical injection system and a rules change. MVOT is in need of revision. So I don't wish to get too optimistic for next year.  Whilst all of that is going on I will be soon commissioning the home brew I kit won at the DLRA mid year bash at Smurfs in July. First batch will be  a Coopers Sparkly. :-) :-)


Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: wobblywalrus on September 20, 2009, 11:37:26 PM
Send some pictures when you develop this thing.  It cheers us up in the colder season to see shots of summer work.  Especially belly tanks.   
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on September 21, 2009, 01:14:38 AM
Thanks to Portland Mike for the Urbandix def. A Croweater is somebody from Sth Australia,god bless 'em....they were the only state settled without a penal colony...they make good wine, and beer and punch above their weight when it comes to Aussie rules football.

Having said all that nice stuff about them I have to tell you there is something wrong with them, I dunno what it is but it might have something to do with living at the end of the drain for the south East corner of Australia known as the Murray River.Adelaide their main fort is known as the city of churches because you can't call anything the "City of serial killers".....

Maybe I'm just too sensitive and it has something to do with the "Croweater" thing, I don't know why this is either but I really like crows... We have heaps around my place.... I once saw one sitting on a street light staunchion at the end of my street holding one of those little MacDonalds wax paper fries bags with his claw and eating the fries one by one , he is the same big-az fella who lands in my backyard..ever so cagey he scouts it from a few angles before he gets down on the grass because being big and old it takes him a while to get off the ground making him an easy get for a cat.....

Fred,my old man used to brew his own from scratch....blanched the hops and brewed in a big vat.You can imagine he had varying results, he too was a solicitor, but not a hot-rodder.

Those Coopers brew kits are practically infallible, be careful with using anything to "sterilize" the bottles, I alway figured "clean" is better than any residual metabisulphate......the odd bad one due to a wild yeast beats a whole batch that the smbs has killed. I can't guarantee to you that not going to the bottle shop will reduce the amount of alcohol you consume. I brewed with those Coopers kits for a fair while and as you do ( when you're a young buck and too much ain't nearly enough)nearly always over-brewed making 6-7% alc/vol.......my tip is to go under, aim for 4.2-4.6% , then no-one gets hurt, and you can drive after two still.

Herendethelesson.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: fredeuce on September 21, 2009, 03:00:43 AM
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Having said all that nice stuff about them I have to tell you there is something wrong with them, I dunno what it is but it might have something to do with living at the end of the drain for the south East corner of Australia known as the Murray River.Adelaide their main fort is known as the city of churches because you can't call anything the "City of serial killers".....



Excuse me whilst I choke on my beloved Coopers.  :?

Now let me see .................  I recall in the recent past a certain TV series called "Underbelly". It would appear events in the erstwhile convict state of Victoria are now unfolding that will no doubt provide ample material for yet a few more installments of this gripping saga. :-) :-) 

He who lives in grass houses shouldn't get stoned. Or something like that.  :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on September 22, 2009, 09:54:12 AM
Mmmmmm
Coopers home brew
I've got about 100 bottled at the moment
And a brew fermenting as we speak
I don't know if this means i'm drinking them too slowly or making them too fast
I tend to aim for about 5%, any more and it starts to taste cidery

He who lives in grass houses shouldn't get stoned. Or something like that.  :-D

Anyhow
That stuff's not legal in Victoria, not like SA
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: fredeuce on September 22, 2009, 11:22:48 PM

Grumm thanks for the tip on the home brew caper.
It is pleasing to see a Victorian come over from the dark side and find the joy of Coopers' finest. :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: interested bystander on September 23, 2009, 12:22:24 AM
You Aussies are OK.

If you aren't talking about your hotrods you're talkin' about BEER!

The elixer of life!
Title: Australian Belly Tank, Camshafts.....
Post by: Dr Goggles on September 23, 2009, 01:22:31 AM

Grumm thanks for the tip on the home brew caper.
anyone who eats capers is weird, anyone who brews them is just plain foreign......


Fred, I'm with you on Coopers, one of my favorite memories of my first year at the salt was that Coopers Pale was cheaper, and colder at the lakeside canteen than it was ANYWHERE in Melbourne.

still sus' on Adelaide but................and we haven't even started on the water.

Now , on a more serious note and one entirely related to this thread.

On the spec sheet for the cam we are planning on getting for the new build of our motor it states " do not use high revs for the first two hours of operation".....why, specifically is that?

DrG
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: hitz on September 23, 2009, 02:14:04 AM
Dr. G,
 Not the pro here on cams but they usually want you to run it around 2,000 rpm for at least 20 min. for cam break in. Long idle times aren't recommended at first either. The higher rpm should be avoided to give the rings a chance to settle in their new home. I don't imagine the valve train should have a lot of rpm for a while either. Roller cams might not need the break in time.  If your running heavy valve springs the cam should be broke in with lighter springs or low lift rockers.
 You'll probably get a lot of different methods to use but you're better off not to get in a hurry to wing it the first few running hours.
 Good to see you are able to spend some time on your lakester.

Harv

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on September 23, 2009, 04:51:26 AM
Thanks Harv.

I've since spoken to the cam-man and he thought we had flat tappets, we have rollers. So the advice ain't so critical, there won't be many new parts in the motor other than the cam. More to follow........
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank, Camshafts.....
Post by: grumm441 on October 06, 2009, 03:49:06 AM

Fred, I'm with you on Coopers, one of my favorite memories of my first year at the salt was that Coopers Pale was cheaper, and colder at the lakeside canteen than it was ANYWHERE in Melbourne.

still sus' on Adelaide but................and we haven't even started on the water.

DrG

I still don't get how a place with such bad water (adeliade) can make such nice beer (coopers)
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Freud on October 10, 2009, 12:38:40 PM
Dr G...........

Coopers and bad water are more important at this time than how to break in a cam.

You better have plenty of Coopers available if u keep waiting to "get started" on the engine.

Is the new "salt" t-shirt designed yet?  2010 may require a separate container just to ship shirts to B'ville.

It seems to me that the break from the Mother Land is complete with this discussion of COLD beer.

FREUD
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on November 16, 2009, 05:56:34 PM
Anyhow, moving on from beer, and getting bcak to the build diary
The new, second hand, but somewhat less secondhand than our previous 3 engines,  engine has arrived
G

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Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on November 16, 2009, 06:25:33 PM
Doc and Grumm, you guys better get to work... you are less than 8000 views to 100K.  As the say in New Orleans... Show us your stuff...
BTW, PM me your shirt sizes and a shipping address
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on November 17, 2009, 11:33:51 PM
I am at work
So is the motor
now i just need our most recent motor to take "the good bits" off
Looks pretty odd in workshop full of bikes
One more post and i will have reached 100
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on November 19, 2009, 05:49:23 AM
ok,ok,ok...I'll bring the motor over after the weekend......actually better still I'll just bring over the top end , because you probably don't want the rest of it...I can't get it into the ute because I've got this on it

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/18102009001.jpg)

WTF ? I here echoing around the LSR community....well, we've got this little gig on....she said" I've got this idea, why don't we do a gig called "In the Bacharach of the ute"....me being the do now think later type said, " er , what are we waiting for?".......yeah well , it turned into a bit of a monster...we have the first show this weekend at a street festival...We're doing a bunch of Burt songs..on a ute

Anyways back to the topic which from memory was "Australian Bellytank"......It turns out the people who made a semi affordable billet flywheels here that we need for the motor have lost interest leaving it to the people who do it on a change over basis...."give us your left testicle and we'll give you a flywheel...but not for free"....so we got the bottom end for a very reasonable price, Karma has come to visit and we will be forced to pay very unreasonable prices for a flywheel and the cam, thank god it's only one ....

Meanwhile the Reverend has gone missing in action, he's Architecturing on the new Children's Hospital across the road from my work , I ain't never seen something so big go up so fast, six months ahead of sched' he reckons, and that's a problem for a whole lot of reasons.....least of all he's working too hard , too long and not seeing enough of his new bub.

Myself, apart from the aforementioned gig, has four other bands that have gigs coming up.......and a set to build for a play.....it's a bombsite here...And at work?...well we won't be running out of homeless people anytime soon as far as I can see, but.After Christmas it's tank, tank, tank.

If Jack was around I'd ask him but here goes, who like to offer suggestions on a cam profile for this motor in a gas NA format..........??
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: ben james on November 19, 2009, 06:05:42 AM
hi stew, andrew hallam at my work would be able to help with a cam profile. he's a big fan of your tank. and what do you think of kermits new bodywork.
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Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on November 19, 2009, 02:23:51 PM
hi stew, andrew hallam at my work would be able to help with a cam profile. he's a big fan of your tank. and what do you think of kermits new bodywork.
(http://i729.photobucket.com/albums/ww295/benjames/drag%20bike/P1010198.jpg)


I'm liking it Benny, but like I said to Wayno yesterday, it looks great but someone has parked a vehicle in front of ...oh right ...nah, it looks great, bit of paint that's gonna look really spesh,...................have you got any closer to working out whether you'll make it next year?I think I can see why you're down on the racing budget..... :wink:

I've been talking to Wades about the bump stick but I figured there'd be folk here who campaigned Buicks and would have some good advice.

I dunno when you took that photo but after the heat last week my grass is the color of that fence :oops:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on November 19, 2009, 10:39:39 PM
ok,ok,ok...I'll bring the motor over after the weekend......actually better still I'll just bring over the top end , because you probably don't want the rest of it...I can't get it into the ute because I've got this on it

What about you bring the whole motor and let me decide which bits I'm going to use.
I don't want you messing about with it after your previuos efforts
Also, I will not be here next weekas i am getting some service work done on my leg.
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: generatorshovel on November 19, 2009, 11:07:37 PM
Congrats on reaching your milestone Grumm.
By the way, were you 'sposta write anything in my log book this year ?
Tiny
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on November 20, 2009, 12:32:02 AM
ok,ok,ok...I'll bring the motor over after the weekend......actually better still I'll just bring over the top end , because you probably don't want the rest of it...I can't get it into the ute because I've got this on it

What about you bring the whole motor and let me decide which bits I'm going to use.
I don't want you messing about with it after your previuos efforts
Also, I will not be here next weekas i am getting some service work done on my leg.
G
hey thanks for the vote of confidence.......It's a pity that Ollie isn't around anymore( that was my dog folks) 'cause Ollie seemed to like servicing your leg....................free shoe polish and a service with a smile.....
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on November 21, 2009, 01:55:48 AM
Congrats on reaching your milestone Grumm.
By the way, were you 'sposta write anything in my log book this year ?
Tiny

Yes Tiny I probably was, but was given no instructions on filling in logbooks.
At least you had a log book.

G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on November 21, 2009, 01:25:56 PM
Anyways back to the topic which from memory was "Australian Bellytank"......It turns out the people who made a semi affordable billet flywheels here that we need for the motor have lost interest leaving it to the people who do it on a change over basis...."give us your left testicle and we'll give you a flywheel...but not for free"....so we got the bottom end for a very reasonable price, Karma has come to visit and we will be forced to pay very unreasonable prices for a flywheel and the cam, thank god it's only one ....

...  but, After Christmas it's tank, tank, tank.

If Jack was around I'd ask him but here goes, who like to offer suggestions on a cam profile for this motor in a gas NA format..........??

Ya got to hate it when parts require body parts as partial payment  :|

Most of us have the "hey its getting close to race time thrash" as a planned event.

Jack is around, maybe he will PM you some specs.............
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on November 23, 2009, 06:26:12 PM
I'm going to a local machine shop that specialises in gears,and they're gonna give me a price on machining a flywheel....I figure they couldn't want more than the only crowd selling the billet jobs here by the time the retail and transport cut is factored in.........the quote I got was $580, with the guy at the counter assuring me "we don't put much on that"......Yella Terra did them for $364 retail.......but they pulled them from the product line due to lack of interest...

Anyway, I'll see....... and I'll let you know.....
 

On the subject of cams this is the sheet for the cam that has been suggested ................

Profile          Actuation             Make/Model           R/Ratio
          1644a            Roller Follower Holden V6  3.8              In1.6 Ex 1.6
          --------------------------------------------------------------------------
           Cam Lift   Duration    Duration   Valve   Valve    Lift      Phase
                       Adv           @050     Clr    Lift     tdc        <)
          --------------------------------------------------------------------------
  Intake     361        300        249      0.016    0.5616    113        107
  Exhaust    361        300        249      0.016    0.5616    098
          --------------------------------------------------------------------------

                             Timing                  Timing
                             Adv                    @ 0.05
                          Open      Close        Open      Close
           Exhaust      77 Bbdc     43 Atdc      53 Bbdc   16 Atdc

           Intake       40 Btdc     80 Abdc      19 Btdc    50 Abdc

                                83                  35
                          Deg Over-lap        Deg Over-lap

                 Intake Centreline  105.5        Exhaust Centreline  108.5
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on November 23, 2009, 07:36:33 PM
I'm going to a local machine shop that specialises in gears,and they're gonna give me a price on machining a flywheel....I figure they couldn't want more than the only crowd selling the billet jobs here by the time the retail and transport cut is factored in.........the quote I got was $580, with the guy at the counter assuring me "we don't put much on that"......Yella Terra did them for $364 retail.......but they pulled them from the product line due to lack of interest...

Did you try contacting Fidanza?  Their catalog does not include some of their applications - my Midget is a perfect example - not in the book, but available upon request.  Don't honestly know if there's much difference between the Holden 3.8 and the Buick. 

Take advantage of our ever-cheapening American Dollar, Mate.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on November 23, 2009, 08:10:12 PM
.....car parts....the US dollar and SO MANY GUITARS........I'm gonna put a block on eBay before I go broke

just got a pretty good price and local to my place........it's getting better....
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on November 23, 2009, 10:12:51 PM
I haven't disappeared.

I'm lurking.

One notable omission from the recent reports is our discussions on wheels and tyres.

I'll lay down a brief outline for the record.

In short we need new Landspeed tyres because our Mickey Thompsons frontrunners wont cut it with the speeds we are now running.

The ideal scenario is to get Mickey Thompson 30" units on the back and move our Goodyear 28" Landspeeds to the front. This will keep the ever so slight raking of the car from the back to the front as is our design want (for both looks and for aero).

The problem is there are NO 30" tyres available here and we would have to ship them.

Also strangely enough after looking very hard for a long time now, we don't seem to have any steel 18" rims in the country either! I know the Tundra has them, and various other cars in the States, but when they come here they always seem to have only alloys available, so no wreckers cheapies there.

So it looks like we would have to ship some steel wheels out as well! We would then have to chop the rims off and get a Ford 5 bolt (1975 Lincoln pattern I think) centre put in offset appropriately to cover our drum brakes.

Yes, this is the ideal scenario as it keeps the stance, improves the ratio, makes us salt legal, but unfortunately the importing of all this on top of the purchase price and wheel manufacture just kills it.

We still need tyres to run, but we are thinking now of getting a second set of Landspeeds at 28" and put them on our current rims on the front and tweak the axle height to maintain the rake. I don't want to lower the rear end as it runs beautifully through the centreline of the car now which is a great look.

There are a history of bellytanks when I look through the years having same front and rear wheel diameters which give them a kind of 4 wheel drey kind of a feel which is kind of interesting.

Other news:
I have started fiddling around with a new colour scheme. It is going to be tough to be better than last years historically inspired red with cream scallops but hey, too many cars have that one.

Anyone want to sponsor us and have their company colours on the car now is the time to put your hand up!

rH+



Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on November 23, 2009, 10:40:17 PM
RevH, I can contribute a gallon of flat black iron fence paint for your new scheme....  :-o  I have some left over from doing my fence and the fairings on the bike.  It leaves a great aero finish.... see the golf ball thread for more info  :roll:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on November 24, 2009, 12:01:48 AM
A little background for the audience on the relationship, principally between the Rev and I but of course importantly the involvement of the Colonel( Grumm) as well.

We communicate mostly on email, as if we were on the other side of the earth....generally sarcasm is the order of the day from me, blunt dismissal from the Colonel ( he talks to us like we're two kids fighting)and provocation disguised as inquiry from the Rev.......I lost a significant part of my life looking into the 18 inch wheel deal about five years ago before deciding to run with the pack and going 15's with Goodyears. The Rev baits me with occasional links to 18 inch wheel and tyre sets for sale ( usually in the US) ,  and responds to my assertions that we are wasting our time and money( still) by even looking into it by finding an 18 inch wheel for sale in Back-blocks-ville with a question like " is this the right offset?".......I downgrade the importance of the rake and tyre size proportions to aesthetics ,the Rev asks me how my latest hand injury is coming along, I oversimplify the task of building the motor and the Colonel then refers to the "Sand motor"( the one that had the manifold off it , uncovered in the shed when I fired up the sandblaster...the Colonel turned up took one look into the valley of it and said" take that out you dill it's no good anymore....and throw it away" and then left without saying anything else.We figured he was annoyed.
 "
So anyway, that's the background........I start reading the post above....he's going on about 18 inch wheels ...I'm having "one of those days at work where anything other than what I'm supposed to be doing seems a good idea " so I've been ringing around about some parts we need and I see......EIGHTEEN INCH WHEELS, YOU $#%@^@&(*@&^%^#$$&#^#%$ :x...I nearly had a coronary, then I get to the bit about how the cost kills it and breathe a massive sigh of relief.....he got me again....
 
This folks is a valuable part of what makes the whole thing work....what did make me really happy is that the Rev is starting a new color scheme...pretty much everything he draws looks great...then I have to paint it...now even a slap-happy halfbaked rough as guts rush merchant like me made last years job look good because the lines were there...when I look at the shots from this years meet I can see the lack of symmetry( as Von Dutch said "what,you got eyes on both sides of yer head?"), the rough bits and all ...

I'm hoping for Lake Placid blue and cream this yearI sent him this pic a while back as a suggestion...Ok I'm a guitar player...(the more astute amongst you may notice this is a bass :roll:)
(http://www.usaxe.com/inst_images/83.jpg)
 ...it'll be the same sort of job, no tack rags, bugger all wet rub and a bucket of clear on top but it'll look swell all for about a days work....If I drew it and he painted it it would take three weeks and look terrible ...we can't afford either.......thank heavens for teamwork..............Hey Grumm , hurry up with the motor, it's just bloody nuts and bolts. :wink:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on November 24, 2009, 12:02:28 AM
Thanks for the offer Stainless, will you pay postage too?

There was a bellytank here that looked grouse in Matt Black, the Brougham bellytank.

It was an unfortunate baby poo brown from pre solids days, then one year it turned up hot rod black and looked like some weird U-Boat, but this year it went red and white and lost some of its panache.

Next year? John if you're reading your plans on colour?

rH+

ps I am ignoring the above.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Nexxussian on November 24, 2009, 09:44:17 AM
Not to be a putz (or stir the pot more than it already is  :-o) but if you are looking to put new centers in already, couldn't you order just the hoops from a wheel shop here in the states? 

Or will they not sell them that way?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on November 24, 2009, 03:43:35 PM
Hey Erik,
are you finished on the Berkeley? :wink:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on November 24, 2009, 05:09:09 PM
"Sand motor"( the one that had the manifold off it , uncovered in the shed when I fired up the sandblaster...the Colonel turned up took one look into the valley of it and said" take that out you dill it's no good anymore....and throw it away" and then left without saying anything else.We figured he was annoyed.
.......thank heavens for teamwork..............Hey Grumm , hurry up with the motor, it's just bloody nuts and bolts. :wink:
Or of course there is the pushrod incident

I have the misfortune of being at work on Saturday this week ,I'm filling in for the salesman with my highly develpoed people skills, so feel free to bring it over to work then.
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on November 24, 2009, 05:17:37 PM
Or of course there is the pushrod incident

...granted...

I have the misfortune of being at work on Saturday this week ,I'm filling in for the salesman with my highly developed people skills, so feel free to bring it over to work then.
G

pity the poor customer :-P..... Saturday is the day then, I'm at home wagging so as to clean up the fort..... :wink:


ps: hope you didn't mind me sorting your grammar
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on November 24, 2009, 05:28:13 PM
...remind me what the pushrod incident was I seem to have forgotten...?

Wheel hoops? Where do we get them???
Quanta costa?

rH+
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on November 24, 2009, 05:38:48 PM
The "pushrod incident" refers to the fitting of the wrong set of pushrods to my ute during an engine rebuild, preventing the valves from closing,the valves are things inside the motor.........ok.

Now, what car exactly are you planning on getting these 18inch "hoops" for?   .......Erik is just trying to stick an umbrella in the spokes , he's from Alaska and he's probably snow bound right now with no-one to bother, he's chosen us.....he's in there somewhere laughing at us right now.....

(http://www.meadowwoodgarden.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/snowbound.jpg)

BTW:....Not to be a putz (or stir the pot more than it already is  ) ....if you stir pots with yr "putz" Erik you're a brave man :-o...and better endowed than most....
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on November 24, 2009, 07:00:10 PM
Don't knock Alaska, they produce people like Sarah Palin...

rH+

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Ron Gibson on November 24, 2009, 08:10:55 PM
18" wheel hoops.  M. E. Miller Tire. Look under implement in column on left.

Ron
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: PJQ on November 24, 2009, 09:56:40 PM
That blue is mighty close to a 65 Futura colour.
Did the Bacha-ute show happen in Satdee's monsoon?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on November 24, 2009, 10:19:21 PM
yeah.......just as I finished the guitar solo in "Raindrops Keep Falling On My Head" a chunk of water about the size of Footscray and an inch think fell on us.....

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/PB211161.jpg)

got heaps of work out of it but.......

That's me and Deb up front , Ian and Alics the world beating rhythm section at rear and 1967 Holden HR ute underneath........
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on November 24, 2009, 10:20:25 PM
That blue is mighty close to a 65 Futura colour.
Did the Bacha-ute show happen in Satdee's monsoon?

Actually, Leo Fender used a lot of stock automotive colors in the 1960's, both Ford and GM.  It wouldn't surprise me that Lake Placid Blue was a Ford color.

Doc, Rev, I gotta say, the scheme you have right now is classic, and the only reason I'd change colors is if it made it go faster.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Peter Jack on November 24, 2009, 11:32:27 PM
Nice stage, good work!

Pete
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Freud on November 24, 2009, 11:50:38 PM
Sarah Palin has a huge motorhome with her name on the side of it. She's on a USA tour signing books.

Don't you forget it.

She's in the lower 48 where she doesn't have to wear as many clothes and that qualifies her as something to behold.

Matter not that she ain't won anything political.

But she is a Grandmother as a result of her out of control daughter and an Alaskan stud that has gone hunting.

FREUD
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on November 25, 2009, 01:47:28 AM


That would be the ute that has the engine out of the same car that the gearbox in the belly tank was removed from
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Bob Ellis on November 25, 2009, 06:15:12 AM
Jeeez ya look good in that white outfit Dr G ,and ya girl Deb on the guitar,WOW,Keep up the good work,He He He !!
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Nexxussian on November 25, 2009, 06:42:53 AM
No, so far we have the Berk torn down to a roller and are reverse engineering the mill. It's got some pieces in there that are better than stock, but could be better still for running at the salt. (couldn't everything  :? )

"Hoop" the rim portion of the wheel that you weld the center to, without the center installed. 

I've never tried to purchase them seperately, but I would expect the import duty would be less as they are a component as opposed to a finished product. If you have to import them.

Just a thought I had as it sounds like whatever width and offset wheel you could get is still going to involve cutting & welding, might as well skip the cutting part.  :-)

Not snowbound, yet.

Hey Freud, maybe not on the National stage, but she was Gov for a while, till the lawsuits damn near bankrupt her and her hubby. (best law money can buy  :roll: )


On that note, before I somehow get a 'chewin from slim, lets steer away from the political stuff eh?


Looks like a good time with the band, till the "rain" fell. :-o
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Freud on November 25, 2009, 07:40:39 PM
WOW, you snapped me back to reality.

I just remembered, Jesse Ventura was also a governor.

Wonder what the common thread was.

FREUD
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on November 25, 2009, 09:18:47 PM
WOW, you snapped me back to reality.
I just remembered, Jesse Ventura was also a governor.
Wonder what the common thread was.
FREUD

Top effort Ferd, only 20 words and you fitted "reality" and "Jesse Ventura" in there..................

Hey Erik, "hoop" wasn't a new word to me.........the decision was made back when the Spirit of Sunshine was but a glint in our eyes to go 15's because they were "good value for money"(comparatively)....the graph starts to level off pretty much when you look at the cost of those M/T's and the extra rolling distance they give you ( big/not much).....please, please, no-body mention the 18's...........





Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on November 25, 2009, 11:09:40 PM
.....please, please, no-body mention the 18's...........


http://www.dlra.org.au/forum/viewtopic.php?p=10517#10517

Too late
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on November 26, 2009, 12:24:41 AM
In an unnerving set of circumstances I ran into a bag lady the other day who used to harass me at a gig we used to do in Smith st (the rest of the band called her "your girlfriend") my boss was with me.....he has not let it rest since...I have been getting "hahahahahah...sorry,, hahahahaaha" texts DAILY since...it's nearly as annoying as the 18 inch thing, nearly.

So, I;m talking to Howard at Race Brakes, I get the background on a whole lot of goss on people in the salt game here.......mentions he sold some spindles or hubs (I can't remember) to Gary for the Jag , I get the low-down on the stuff up with the RodShop and one of his franchisees.....man what a saga  I'd say there'll be a soap written about it soon......

Anyway back on topic . On the page before this one I posted cam specs, does anyone out there have any comment on them? we're debating the severity of it and whether we go for something a little milder......
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on November 26, 2009, 02:03:53 AM
On the page before this one I posted cam specs, does anyone out there have any comment on them? we're debating the severity of it and whether we go for something a little milder......
As Number Two used to say to Number 6 back in the Village, "Information . . . We want . . . Information"

It's probably all here, but you've got 53 pages going, so let's sum up:

RPM at the speed your looking to achieve.

Extent to which the ports are worked.

Valve size.

Induction.

Rocker ratio.

Compression ratio.

That will get us started.


 
 
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on November 26, 2009, 01:00:14 PM
Chris, I'm not really hijacking the thread -- but will sorta anyway.  Thank you very much, and please carry those thanks to your sponsor.  On the relish tray at our Thanksgiving dinner table is a nice display of Milwaukee Midget dill pickles.  Nancy put 'em out and right away I thought of your kindness in donating them.  They made the long trip here from Bonneville very well, thank you -- other than they seem to have turned green during their travels.

Happy Thanksgiving.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on November 26, 2009, 01:10:57 PM
Bon appetit, Slim and Nancy!

They should be British Racing Green, if I'm not mistaken. :-D

Okay, Rev, you can have your thread back now.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on November 26, 2009, 02:41:13 PM


As Number Two used to say to Number 6 back in the Village, "Information . . . We want . . . Information"

It's probably all here, but you've got 53 pages going, so let's sum up:
RPM at the speed your looking to achieve ?.
This year we ran 160.4@5200 .............6800-7000rpm will see us over 200mph with the current gearing.

Extent to which the ports are worked?.

fairly extensive porting job at the hands of the Colonel

Valve size?.

Inlet 1.77  Exhaust 1.5

Induction?
2x65mm
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/P9160260.jpg?t=1189987507)

Rocker ratio?.
1.65:1( I think)

Compression ratio.?

9.6:1
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Geo on November 26, 2009, 03:17:59 PM
Is that intake setup going to fit under the body?  I don't want to see the lines buggered up with bumps and scoops and what have you.  You have such a smooth tank and have worked hard to keep it aero.  Nice idea using two throttle bodies.  They could go on the end and not on the top.  Did you see the thread on intakes for the rear engine roadster build with the tapering plenum?

I'm looking forward to the V6 build.  Half a V12 so I may get some ideas I can double!  8-)

Geo
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on November 26, 2009, 03:39:36 PM
Is that intake setup going to fit under the body? 

yeah, that's what we ran this year.....

There was discussion between the Colonel and I as to whether we'd try a twin TB set-up that is on the market here that makes nearly 30% more torque than stock , it's a sidewinder set up so it fits under the stock sedan hood, we're sticking with ours........it hasn't been back to back with a standard one on the dyno but the Col. seems to think it would probably stack up well so we're keeping the readies to spend on other bits.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on November 26, 2009, 05:42:48 PM
Quote
As Number Two used to say to Number 6 back in the Village, "Information . . . We want . . . Information"



Love that series, so much so I presented the whole 17 episodes in a pub in Melbourne. I got a strange group of local geeks who'd come in, drink one or two drinks, then leave when it finished.

I told them that the clue to the riddle was in the title sequence, but none of them could work it out and were just as shocked as BBC viewers were when they saw the last episode. I will not spoil it here.

I visited the village, Portmeirion, where it was filmed in North Wales, it is still exactly the same. Even the fake boat that doesn't go anywhere is there. The whole place was designed by an architect who collected bits of old buildings to save them from being destroyed; it was meant to be the first eco village and has a really weird sense of scale about it. A lot of things look bigger than they actually are, so when you go to walk to them you arrive quite a  bit before you thought you would.

Wikipedia says:

Portmeirion is an Italianate resort village in Gwynedd, on the coast of Snowdonia in Wales. The village is located in the community of Penrhyndeudraeth, on the estuary of the River Dwyryd, 2 miles (3.2 km) south east of Porthmadog, and 1 mile (1.6 km) from the railway station at Minffordd, which is served by both the narrow gauge Ffestiniog Railway and Arriva Trains Wales (Cambrian Line).

Got to love the Welsh...

There is a new version:

http://www.aol.com.au/tv/story/The-Prisoner-preview-AMCs-remake-just-as-bizarre-as-the-original/2394144/index.html

Haven't seen it yet, hopefully they haven't missed the point.

rH+
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on November 26, 2009, 09:34:16 PM
Have been mulling over the cam question and in deep discussion with the Colonel. The cam sheet shown on the previous page was for a 1644a which needs to made from a new billet. The best they can do on a regrind is a 1365a , there is the a sheet for that cam at the bottom of the page. We are leaning toward it not just for budgetary reasons. As everybody here knows there is no end to how much money you can spend on a motor and once you start modifying there is no "sensible" level as there is the great tug of war between performance and insurance......we want more power, but we want it to driveable(rather not push it off the line for now) and have some longevity, it for us is fun for the moment ,not grounds for divorce and if word gets out that we're spending a home extension on the motor we're flicked............ As the Colonel said " we could ask around for some Formula Holden heads( they'd have roller rockers at 1.7:1 big valves and a port job...) but we'd be better spending that money on the Alloytec"(electronically variable quad-cam all alloy)......

But we want to get up toward , or beyond 200 with this old Buick based donk before we go to the trouble of building the necessaries to fit the Alloytec.

here is the cam sheet

   Profile          Actuation             Make/Model           R/Ratio
          1365A10          Roller Follower Holden V6  3.8              In1.6 Ex 1.6
          --------------------------------------------------------------------------
           Cam Lift   Duration    Duration   Valve   Valve    Lift      Phase
                       Adv           @050     Clr    Lift     tdc        <)
          --------------------------------------------------------------------------
  Intake     313        282        228      Hyd      0.5008    068        110
  Exhaust    313        282        228      Hyd      0.5008    055
          --------------------------------------------------------------------------

                             Timing                  Timing
                             Adv                    @ 0.05
                          Open      Close        Open      Close
           Exhaust      74 Bbdc     28 Atdc      47 Bbdc   1 Atdc

           Intake       34 Btdc     68 Abdc      7 Btdc     41 Abdc

                                62                  8
                          Deg Over-lap        Deg Over-lap

                 Intake Centreline  107          Exhaust Centreline  113
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on November 27, 2009, 02:11:58 AM
Let me chuck out a few thoughts.

I seem to recall that you had a rev limiting issue, that it was electronically related, and we'll assume it's been addressed.

9.6:1 Compression ratio - no way to up that this year?  Maybe a head shave?  Is this a fuel related issue, or economic?

By the way, what is the octane of the fuel you have available?

Assuming the intake and ports flow properly, looks like you've got room for bigger valves.  3.8 bore, correct?  6800-7000 seems doable, but the question is, what kind of horsepower will you get there?  I'm thinking the short overlap on the 1365A, combined with the small valves, might choke off on the top end.  Did you flow the head?

The 1644A will respond up top, probably right in the range you want it to, but you'll need more compression to exploit it.

Of course, a regrind might give you an opportunity to use those extra long pushrods -  :roll:

I'm still cypherin' on this, but I thought I'd get the ball rolling.  Do you know your current cam specs?

Blue always says, "Don't guess, test".  You guys are in this for the long term.  If it were me, and I had to make a decision before March, I'd take the incremental approach.  I'd go with the 1365A, and see if it puts you where you want to be.  After that, be it success or failure, the decisions get tougher and will require a more holistic approach.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on November 27, 2009, 11:31:25 PM
....................took the motor to Colonel's workshop this morning , at least I hope it was him, I had a late night. We discussed the compression issue. "Huh? then we'll have issues with the inlet manifold...."

"isn't there enough meat to just port match it?"

"deah.... the extra comp'll bring it's own bunch of problems that we probably don't want to have to deal with anyway"

at this point we hoisted it out of the back of the ute, the ute which I last night backed into a gatepost with the tailgate down, nice, put a cleft right in the top of it where it will be no simple job to pull it out......

had to take the flywheel off to get it onto the engine stand...gee those flywheel bolts were kind of loose :?

I left it there with him, the new bottom end , and the cat Cohen who has his own place on the parts shelves, with a stock number......"Part: Cat( Cohen) Qty: 1"
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Nexxussian on November 28, 2009, 01:04:13 AM
WOW, you snapped me back to reality.

I just remembered, Jesse Ventura was also a governor.

Wonder what the common thread was.

FREUD

Since I already suggested a stop to this, I'll respond via PM.

Hopefully ending the Hijack.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: ben james on November 28, 2009, 05:11:02 AM
jesse the body ventura, you're bleedin dutch, ain't got time to bleed, name the movie
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on November 29, 2009, 06:37:10 AM

Maybe a head shave? 
By the way, what is the octane of the fuel you have available?
Did you flow the head?
Of course, a regrind might give you an opportunity to use those extra long pushrods -  :roll:



So i shaved my head, now my ears are cold and my car doesn't go any faster! :roll:
I believe we were using 98 ron  fuel but as i spent the first two days of the meeting scrutineering bikes, I'm not sure what they had in it, and as The Dr ran EG/L and the Rev ran EF/L (10mph slower)  I'm not sure I want to ask
As for the extra long pushrods, I'm not sure that they curve the right way for the intended application.
No the heads weren't flowed as this wasn't in the budget, just a cleanup port job and some new springs

I will look at the valve sizes when i get the heads off as i think i have one or two larger valves lying around that were going to in the double hump heads that i was going to put on the monaro (see avitar) and the more i look at them the more i think they are just old junk.
I think that if we were going to go down the trick heads route we should probably look for some formula holden heads second hand
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formula_Holden
as we have the brand new quad cam v6 alloytech sitting in my shed all the other engines, waiting for 2011

(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc28/grumm441/Dsc_1166.jpg)
 
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: maj on November 29, 2009, 07:09:04 AM
Why wait or spend on the old engine if you already have better ??

if your going to machine the old v6 heads, also machine the inlet manifold side of the head , need to check but i think its ~.090 off the manifold side for every .100 off the head , if the heads are closed chamber its better to do the block
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on November 29, 2009, 09:47:18 AM

(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc28/grumm441/Dsc_1166.jpg)
 
Now that's a holistic approach.  Note to self - 2011 - opening NEW worm can! :-D

Hell, just screw the old one together with the regrind for now.

Are the authorities on board for the March event this year?  I know it's always a bit dodgy.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Geo on November 29, 2009, 10:21:58 AM
Bill and I went out junkyarding.  What an enjoyable sport.  We talked about our motors what we could do with them and the vast sums of knowledge and parts available.  Old school stuff.  We got around to the newer engines and poked and measured.  Talked for hours as we wandered.  Found out we would need to modify a few things to go from old to new generation.

About halfway through the morning we realized flogging the old horse was not going to get us where we needed to go.  The newest generation engines was the only place to be spending time and money.

Geo
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on November 29, 2009, 01:24:01 PM
About halfway through the morning we realized flogging the old horse was not going to get us where we needed to go.  The newest generation engines was the only place to be spending time and money.
Geo
Good point.  The question then becomes an issue of time and philosophy.  Do you spend the next 3 months making a new engine work with the tank?  Do you have the ECU for the quad-cam?  Will it mate up to your transmission?  How important is a new paint job?
. . . we want to get up toward , or beyond 200 with this old Buick based donk before we go to the trouble of building the necessaries to fit the Alloytec.

It looks like the chassis is well sorted out . . .

. . . it ran as straight as a die, and correction was simple as we drove.

One more run would have been the absolute cherry on the top, but as we were using the stock computer for the motor it may not have gone much faster as there is an engine cutout at around 5500rpm. The Colonel built an override for the fuel cutout at 5200rpm so there was still some legs in her.

For next year we need to:
  • Make the seat more comfortable; there is a cross bar which bruised Dr G's bum so amendments required there.
    Up the fire extinguishers for the 200mph requirement level
    Improve the hatch hinge which proved a little fragile.
    Get all the switches properly mounted on the steering wheel
    Make puke tanks for the diff breather and petrol breather
    Install a ball valve to protect fuel spill in a roll-over
    Install a better speedo, our tacho looked great but was not accurate. We resorted to using the Colonels GPS which worked a treat. May simply put a bicycle speedo on the front wheel.
    Improve the parachute release mechanism, it is prone to not locking properly (!)
    Get ready the Megasquirt engine management system so we can override the old computer and improve high end mix
    Finish and improve the trim around the front canopy
    improve bodywork joins, fixings etc
    New paint job

So much to do so little time!!!

Indeed.

Set up the old donk with the new cam, finish the above, and that's a three month laundry list right there, especially with the holidays just around the corner.

But then, part of the fun is the burning of midnight oil in the mad-dash attempt to bring something new in under the wire.

Don't you just love philosophy? 
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on November 29, 2009, 03:58:06 PM

Now that's a holistic approach.  Note to self - 2011 - opening NEW worm can! :-D


Worm can opened :evil:
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Lynchy on November 29, 2009, 05:14:08 PM
Quote
So, I;m talking to Howard at Race Brakes, I get the background on a whole lot of goss on people in the salt game here.......mentions he sold some spindles or hubs (I can't remember) to Gary for the Jag , I get the low-down on the stuff up with the RodShop and one of his franchisees

Catching up on some reading here....

So what's the goss?
Lynchy
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on November 29, 2009, 06:01:15 PM
Now, see that's just wasteful really...if you had of just LOOKED you would have seen that I already had a can open...............two cans of worms!! that's like a beer in each hand , sheesh.

Got some housework done in the shed yesterday, by next weekend it'll be back to an operative ,sort of, workshop.

I had a bit of a flashback with a collection of every different type of flywheel sitting on the bench..and now here we are buying another one.

All the above suggestions/opinions made/make sense....it's a quadratic equation where the knowns are moula and time ........we'll keep you informed. :wink: :wink:

No big deal Lynchy, but it seems that It was a franchisee who "bought" the Rod shop and pooped in the nest big time...Howard wasn't timid about his feelingsd for the guy, it splattered far and wide....
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on November 29, 2009, 06:58:03 PM
jesse the body ventura, you're bleedin dutch, ain't got time to bleed, name the movie

Predator of course! before the franchise went bad.

That would make a good name for the new Kwaka Ben...

d
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on November 29, 2009, 08:05:51 PM
I get the impression  :? that we may be using the same alphabet- :evil: --but I don't think we are not speaking the same language :?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on November 29, 2009, 08:53:13 PM
I get the impression  :? that we may be using the same alphabet- :evil: --but I don't think we are not speaking the same language :?

Apparently we speak English

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,26186795-401,00.html


G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on November 29, 2009, 08:58:10 PM
It's Ok Bill , we're leaking the same spanguage :evil:....it's just that there are six conversations going on at once...
1./ There's a discussion going on about our Bellytank and the new motor build.Thanks to all who have made valuable comment.
2./ There's a running commentary from me about the Hum Drum of getting back into the swing .
3./ There's Freud.
4./ There's Ben, now he rides motorbikes and watches too many movies, sometimes he's a little reality starved.
5./There's the Reverend, he's halfway through a sermon about  :-o yawn.....

And finally there's you Sparky , asking , rightly , what the hail it's all about.....I'll soon have 'em all lulled into a stupor and it will be much much easier to understand.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on November 29, 2009, 09:31:58 PM
Speaking of sermons, I'd like to thank all of you who PMed me on the issue of 18inch wheels, some good info there...

One question I have is does anyone know if anyone is shipping a car to Australia for 2010?

Maybe for assistance this end (lending a car, lending a room at Dr G's place, T-eeing up some sheilas) they could throw our wheels in the back seat prior to loading...?

rH+
Why do ugly guys get to make lurve? Because they ask!
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Old Gringo on November 29, 2009, 09:41:25 PM
I get the impression  :? that we may be using the same alphabet- :evil: --but I don't think we are not speaking the same language :?
  For those of us that have trouble with converting Aussie to American. I found this conversion site. http://www.koalanet.com.au/australian-slang.html. Give it a try.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on November 29, 2009, 09:52:00 PM
Quote
Apparently we speak English

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,26186795-401,00.html

That's not just Julia's problem (our dear vice prime minister) with her nasal monotone twang, I don't think anyone knows where she is from*.

In the U.S. I got complemented on my ability as an Australian to speak the "American language" so well by a Texan (I'm OK at English, but my Spanish and Portugese is a little unpolished), and I was asked whether I was catching the bus back to Australia one night too... from California no less.

Loved the place though, there is so much to see and do in the US there really is not much need to see or know about the rest of the world.

rH+



*Actually, she was born in Wales and so no wonder she talks funny... see earlier post on Welsh names.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on November 29, 2009, 10:57:15 PM
*Actually, she was born in Wales and so no wonder she talks funny... see earlier post on Welsh names.
The most difficulty I ever encountered understanding what I was told was English was a few years back in Dublin, at Jury's Inn Custom House, which had been all but overrun with Welsh rugby fans on the eve of a match.

It was like I was at a Star Trek convention, and everyone was speaking Klingon.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on November 29, 2009, 11:27:43 PM
Klingon! Now that's a language!

When I heard that some nerd had taken the Klingon word dictionary from the scriptwriters to make a bible translated into Klingon, my friend and I thought, hmmmm their is something we can do here.

The end result was a concept that might have some legs. Basically; a klingon cover band called "Klingon Nation".

I can see the video now, clean white studio cyclorama, well dressed klingon in a purple silk shirt and lipstick, looking into the camera and singing Spandeau Ballets' Gold (but in Klingon).

My friend suggested "Colors" would be a good live clip to do (complete with shotgun) and I reckon there'd have to be one of those songs with a filmclip of a klingon driving an open top ferrari on a cliff top road with a female Klingon driving her open top Porsche the other way, lots a jewellery and the sun is shining.

Gee, if I only had money and time... it'd be bigger than the Village People.

rH+







Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on November 29, 2009, 11:42:35 PM
Klingon! Now that's a language!

When I heard that some nerd had taken the Klingon word dictionary from the scriptwriters to make a bible translated into Klingon, my friend and I thought, hmmmm their is something we can do here.

The end result was a concept that might have some legs. Basically; a klingon cover band called "Klingon Nation".

I can see the video now, clean white studio cyclorama, well dressed klingon in a purple silk shirt and lipstick, looking into the camera and singing Spandeau Ballets' Gold (but in Klingon).

My friend suggested "Colors" would be a good live clip to do (complete with shotgun) and I reckon there'd have to be one of those songs with a filmclip of a klingon driving an open top ferrari on a cliff top road with a female Klingon driving her open top Porsche the other way, lots a jewellery and the sun is shining.

Gee, if I only had money and time... it'd be bigger than the Village People.

rH+





Yawn

Dik , do you perhaps have some Kangaroos loose in the top paddock
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: landsendlynda on November 29, 2009, 11:52:19 PM
You guys need to go race something!!  Even if it's pogo sticks...(you got them there?), tricycles, roller skates, lawnmowers...something!!  Of course, you could always get to work on your build, it's obvious you have plenty of time on your hands, so go get 'em greasy!!  Bark those knuckles using the wrong wrench in the wrong place...

You're wasting precious time...2010 will be here in 31 days and you're not ready to go racing yet!!  Get busy!!

Lynda
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on November 30, 2009, 03:32:34 AM
You guys need to go race something!!  Even if it's pogo sticks...(you got them there?), tricycles, roller skates, lawnmowers...something!!  Of course, you could always get to work on your build, it's obvious you have plenty of time on your hands, so go get 'em greasy!!  Bark those knuckles using the wrong wrench in the wrong place...

You're wasting precious time...2010 will be here in 31 days and you're not ready to go racing yet!!  Get busy!!

Lynda

Pogo sticks? (and we even call them pogo sticks) don't start them. I can see what I will be using to get round the pits
Yep, there will be knuckle barking going on.
I run a metric bike workshop
the current tank motor isn't
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: ben james on November 30, 2009, 06:01:44 AM
jesse the body ventura, you're bleedin dutch, ain't got time to bleed, name the movie

Predator of course! before the franchise went bad.

That would make a good name for the new Kwaka Ben...

d
i was thinking the toecutter,
ASK THE TOECUTTER HE KNOWS WHO I AM,
name that movie, only the yanks can answer that one, no aussies.
relavent to kz1000 kawasakis
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Bob Ellis on November 30, 2009, 06:12:58 AM
Dear Reverend , maybe its time to take down your old Village People (and Boy George) posters,and Get Some New Ideas (Not the Mag),
And couldn't it be a Corvette & a T'Bird,and singing AC/DC's "Highway To Hell" ??
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Bob Ellis on November 30, 2009, 06:16:17 AM
Hey Ben , "Road Warrior" (in USA)( Mad Max in Aust) (I'm not Aussie so i can win????).
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: ben james on November 30, 2009, 06:47:36 AM
bugger,bloody kiwis :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on November 30, 2009, 08:47:28 AM
IT musta ben the movies :?  that threw me off track---yeah it had to have ben "themovies" 8-)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on November 30, 2009, 10:29:44 AM
Hey Ben , "Road Warrior" (in USA)( Mad Max in Aust) (I'm not Aussie so i can win????).

BE, Mad Max races at Bonneville..... Latest thread Beyond Thunderdome....
Title: Re: Australian budget movies. Mad Max
Post by: grumm441 on November 30, 2009, 03:57:55 PM
We don't mention that movie around my family.
My father was one of half a dozen doctors that was asked to invest in it's production
He didn't.
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on November 30, 2009, 05:20:35 PM
....what a Goose...

(http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/object3/499/124/n26285463846_6176.jpg)

 :wink:

OK enough of the movies
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on November 30, 2009, 06:42:41 PM
Dear Reverend , maybe its time to take down your old Village People (and Boy George) posters,and Get Some New Ideas (Not the Mag),
And couldn't it be a Corvette & a T'Bird,and singing AC/DC's "Highway To Hell" ??

That's not bad, but I want it so cringeworthy it hurts.

Besides, it would have to be jailbreak.

Mad Max four: I trust George Miller wont stuff it, he has done alright so far with his series... Happy Feet was a bit of a departure but still a hero's journey like everything he does.

He took a big risk with Tina Turner in Thunderdome but I reckon Angry Anderson saved it.

I also reckon there will be a queue around the block of Aussie actors wanting to be in it longer than Star wars had. (and boy, didn't that turn out great! :roll:)

Speaking of the Australian language, Road Warrior is an interesting watch with the Yank accents dubbed in. You US citizens should get a DVD of the original Mad MAx with the original voices. Much noicer.

Lake Gairdenr has very much the Mad Max vibe, hope we don't lose it.

rH+




Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: gearheadeh on November 30, 2009, 09:00:03 PM
 :-D

All in good fun......

auzzy etiquette

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1. Never take a beer to a job interview.
2. Always identify people in your yard before shooting them.
3. It's tacky to take an esky to church
4. If you have to vacuum the bed, it's time to change the sheets.
5. Even if you're certain you're included in the will, it's rude to take the trailer to the funeral home.
DINING OUT
1. When decanting wine from the box, tilt the paper cup and pour slowly so as not to bruise the wine.
2. If drinking directly from the bottle, hold it with only one hand.
ENTERTAINING IN YOUR HOME
1. A centrepiece for the table should never be anything prepared by a taxidermist
2. Don't allow the dog to eat at the table, no matter how good his manners.
PERSONAL HYGIENE
1. While ears need to be cleaned regularly, this should be done in private, using ones OWN Ute keys.
2. Even if you live alone, deodorant isn't a waste of money.
3. Use of toiletries can only delay bathing a few days.
4. Dirt and grease under the fingernails is a no-no, as it detracts from woman's jewellery and alters the taste of finger foods.
DATING (outside the family)
1. Always offer to bait your date's hook, especially on the first date.
2. Be assertive. Let her know you're interested: "I've been wanting to go out with you since I read that stuff on the dunny door two years ago."
3.Establish with her parents what time she's expected back. Some will say 10:00 PM; others might say "Monday." If the latter is the answer, it's the man's responsibility to get her to school on time.
THEATRE ETIQUETTE
1. Crying babies should be taken to the lobby and picked up after the movie ends.
2. Refrain from talking to characters on the screen. Tests have proven they can't hear you.
WEDDINGS
1. Livestock is a poor choice for a wedding gift.
2. Kissing the bride for more than five seconds may get you shot.
3. For the groom, at least, rent a tux. A sweatsuit with a cummerbund and a clean football jumper can create a tacky appearance.
4.Though uncomfortable, say "yes" to socks and shoes for the occasion.
DRIVING ETIQUETTE
1. Dim your headlights for approaching vehicles, even if the gun's loaded and the roo's in sight.
2. When approaching a roundabout, the vehicle with the largest tyres doesn't always have the right of way.
3. Never tow another car using panty hose and duct tape.
4. When sending your wife down the road with a petrol can, it's impolite to ask her to also bring back beer.
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Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on December 01, 2009, 12:11:35 AM
Okay, I'm guilty too - I joined in with the Welsh comments, sent the Rev into the wilderness by making oblique references to Patrick McGoohan, then off to the pulpit to preach from the Klingon Bible. Freud got some of us started with Sarah Palin's Cross Country tour, Bob and Ben spun us off into tangents of less attractive state governors, but the issue remains . . .

WASSUP WITH THE CAR, BOYS? :?

 
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on December 01, 2009, 02:26:55 AM

4. When sending your wife down the road with a petrol can, it's impolite to ask her to also bring back beer.


Ay

What are you talking about. it would be impolite if she didn't bring back beer

And, "a Dingo took it", is not an excuse.

G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on December 02, 2009, 08:40:39 AM
the issue remains . . .
WASSUP WITH THE CAR, BOYS? :?

Votes please.

I'm making the new fuel tank, ditching the Al one
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/CopyofP8260218-1.jpg)and making one with an access panel.We're currently blaming the Al one for cavitating and frying the pump, access will allow us to sock the outlet, OR, use an internal.......

Stainless or mild steel ?

If it's mild I'll be keeping it FULL of juice permanently(moist air, high corrosion environment :evil:), despite my unquestioned abilities( :roll:) If I go Inox I am leaning toward laying it out and taking it to a professional( :?)to zip it up.....

Tell me.

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on December 02, 2009, 10:15:17 AM
Stick with the one you have... how is it vented... you could change the way you use it.    What size is the outlet... Where is the pump in relation to the outlet.. How did it cavitate...
I was going to look for the info in the thread... but 50+ pages is like looking for a piece of straw in a hay stack 

definitely not mild
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on December 02, 2009, 03:32:32 PM
it has a breather in the top,not visible in that shot.There is no filter sock in the tank....just a sump and deep cross piece over to outlet in an attempt to defeat vortexing......we could move the pump further away( longer hose pre-pump).....
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: maj on December 02, 2009, 04:06:44 PM
You could put the pump in tank ...
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on December 02, 2009, 04:57:37 PM
You could put the pump in tank ...
We're currently blaming the Al one for cavitating and frying the pump, access will allow us to sock the outlet, OR, use an internal.......

yeah, thing is that Al tank is epoxy lined.......that'd mean cutting it to make an access panel, then re-lining it.............the stainless would cost me less than the lining......on the positive side in-tanks are a little cheaper, on the negative side it's easier to "isolate" components with an external.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on December 02, 2009, 06:51:16 PM
yeah, thing is that Al tank is epoxy lined.......that'd mean cutting it to make an access panel, then re-lining it.............the stainless would cost me less than the lining......on the positive side in-tanks are a little cheaper, on the negative side it's easier to "isolate" components with an external.
I can think of a no more banally ludicrous pain in the b*#t than changing out an in-tank fuel pump.

Drain the gas, remove the tank, disconnect the wires, make sure the pump is properly grounded, rewire, fire it up, watch it leak - repeat. 

With luck, it would be the last time you need to do it, but you're talking a change of power plant next year, and will the in-tank you install this year provide sufficient fuel for the quad-cam? 

I'd go with an external pump that's easy to access and change in the field, if necessary.

Ooooooooh - stainless -
shiny   shiny   shiny   shiny   shiny   shiny   shiny   shiny   shiny   shiny   
Title: Australian Belly Tank fuel pump woes
Post by: Dr Goggles on December 04, 2009, 09:41:35 PM
 I spent some time staring at it last night. Quiet contemplation.When I made the fuel tank that is in it I underestimated the hassle value.I suspect I have since allowed the true value of the hassle to diminish in my memory...... There is a dim light blinking at the moment and it has a dymo label under it that says "warning, time wasting imminent" .....I don't want to spend the time and money on making a new tank when I know for a fact that other things are going to come up and there will be a fix for the current ills of the fuel tank, and someone out there will know what to do.

Just to reiterate , the fuel pump ,a Bosch 580 254 044 carked it after a life of about 1 hour running time....we suspect that it was cavitating, but I still won't rule out a foreign object such as a dag of epoxy , or Al or whatever..It is clamped in a beer can size clamp that doesn't pinch it, there are heat shields so it is not subjected to any extreme radiant heat, it has the correct gauge wiring

Below is a diagram drawn with a thumbnail dipped in tar...note there is no filter before the pump, no sock in the tank.The breather runs off from top left.There is a splash guard against the return line and also a cross shaped piece over the outlet to stop swirl......***EDIT****I might have to check that again....the filter may be between the tank and pump...it's currently disassembled and at a glance I thought that was how it went together but I msy be wrong, anyway.....who thinks what will help is important.

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/001.jpg)

The tank is epoxy lined so if I have to cut it I might as well make another one because I won't be able to weld anything to it...

Who has suggestions as to whether an additional filter would help?,
would a swirl tank help?,
would longer lines before the pump help?.

HELP PLEASE!!!! :?

PS: It's OK to be brutal :roll:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Nexxussian on December 05, 2009, 12:19:27 AM
A pre pump screen would be a good idea. I say screen as I don't particularly trust a "filter" (either 'paper' or synthetic element) prior to the pump as it is more likely to cause a restriction that could lead to cavitation of the pump.

My 2cents are still on something solid making it into the pump inlet.

How large is the hose leading to the pump? Is it large enough that the smallest fitting in that run has a interior bore size large enough to pass the fuel to the pump without restriction (all straigt or "tube" bends, no "drilled" fittings)?

Pump inlet hose is of a type that it won't "suck flat"?

I expect you know to check for all that, but it bears mention as I, and several others I've seen have been caught short before with having something installed for mockup that wasn't intended to run, but missing it somehow on "final" assembly.



If you are set on a new tank, stainless if in the budget. Anything but mild.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Peter Jack on December 05, 2009, 01:02:48 AM
If you're going to build a stainless tank be absolutely sure you back purge the tank when you weld it. The quality goes up exponentially.

My choice would be to use the screen type filter before the pump with the present tank.

Pete
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on December 05, 2009, 11:57:08 AM
is it possible that the vent line acted at a P trap as in a sewer system- :?--I  know of engs that went lean because the tank couldn't vent properly---it takes a larger line to vent than most think---remember press. vs velocity
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on December 05, 2009, 04:20:06 PM
is it possible that the vent line acted at a P trap as in a sewer system- :?--I  know of engs that went lean because the tank couldn't vent properly---it takes a larger line to vent than most think---remember press. vs velocity

Good point , and an easy one to change just in case, Thanks Bill.

A pre pump screen would be a good idea. I say screen as I don't particularly trust a "filter" (either 'paper' or synthetic element) prior to the pump as it is more likely to cause a restriction that could lead to cavitation of the pump.
...been lying awake thinking of ways to make a swirl pot/screen filter container
How large is the hose leading to the pump? Is it large enough that the smallest fitting in that run has a interior bore size large enough to pass the fuel to the pump without restriction (all straigt or "tube" bends, no "drilled" fittings)?

yep, the specified size
Pump inlet hose is of a type that it won't "suck flat".
Will be changing to steel just in case.

I expect you know to check for all that, but it bears mention as I, and several others I've seen have been caught short before with having something installed for mockup that wasn't intended to run, but missing it somehow on "final" assembly.
Hallelujah on that one salt brother, I mean, "tight" and "finished" are relative terms , aren't they? :? :?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Peter Jack on December 05, 2009, 05:22:22 PM
Look up any of the American speed equipment sites and you'll find screen type filters that can be disassembled for inspection. I'd probably start with Speedway Motors and Summit. It's never ending from there. You might add Oberg to the list.

Pete
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: PJQ on December 07, 2009, 02:13:38 AM
(http://lh5.ggpht.com/_u0_IOr1cg0w/SxypzoragtI/AAAAAAAAAF0/beMQ-Lqa8BY/s800/_3070311.jpg)
...one more Maxy reference
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Nexxussian on December 07, 2009, 04:19:24 PM
Well, yes, there's not tight enough, tight enough, too tight, and how diesel mechanics seem to tighten stuff (crank it till it shears and back off a 1/4 turn  :-P ).

Finished?

Are any of these ever finished? :?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Rex Schimmer on December 13, 2009, 06:20:58 PM
Doc Goggles,
I would recommend puting your pressure regulator after the fuel rail, this insures that there is fuel flowing thru the fuel rail, under pressure , all the time. The way you have is set up there can be an air pocket captured at the end of the fuel rail. It will eventually go away but in the mean time your injectors will be injecting air. I assume that your fuel regulator is a three port unit with one port going staight thru and the other being the return port. You will need to plug one of the thru ports and then run a line from the end of the fuel rail to the other port and of course run the return line back to the tank. This insures that there is always fuel flowing thru the rail and that there is not air.

I am in the process of installing a VERY large filter on the suction side of my electronic fuel pump in my street roadster, it has Hilborn electronic injection. I very much dislike having a pump suck thru a filter but my ECU guy tells me I need to protect the pumps from junk in the gas tank as it can make them go bad. My pump happens to be from a Porsche Turbo that I have had for over 20 years, I never throw anything away! so replacing it could be expensive.  I also have a tall and narrow fuel tank so I have some additional "head" that helps the inlet conditions on the fuel pump. The filter I am installing is 2-1/2 inches in diameter, 12 inches long and has 3/4 NPT ports so I think, even using a 10 micron filter, that the pressure drop will not be much. I had a very bad experience this summer coming back from Bonneville in my roadster all related to the small fuel filter that I was using and I don't want to do it again!!

I posted a pic of my engine , and you can see the fuel from the fuel pump goes int the RH end of the fuel rail and then thru the fuel regulator on the lower left hand side and back to the tank.

Rex
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on December 13, 2009, 08:57:04 PM
Sorry Rex another result of my rushed post with the diagram , the fuel reg IS at the end of the fuel rail. We are wondering now if we should just use a smaller pump than the 044 that we have been using( it will support 700hp, we don't quite have a half of that), less draw, less chance of cavitating?.................
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: wolcottjl on December 13, 2009, 09:03:30 PM
I have a Bosch 044 pump that has been abused and still runs day in and day out.  The unit is junkyard piece off of a VW rabbit or passat that had over 100K miles.  I forget which.  I do run a screen as a pre-filter. 
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on December 29, 2009, 07:49:54 PM
So, did you find a little piece of fuel tank in your pump?  If you are worried about vortex, put fuel foam in the tank, but be sure you have a prepump filter.  Just a screen filter would work.  We actually use a holly blue (pumps anything and everything) at the tank, pumping to the filter and then on to the Bosch EFI pump. 
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 03, 2010, 06:40:43 AM
Well, I haven't taken that pump apart again but you're on the right track. I bought two big bits of fuel foam a few weeks back...today I cut the top out of the fuel tank. Just to recount, the tank is Al, and epoxy lined.....I didn't have a sock filter in it but did have a deep cross piece over the outlet to try and defeat vortexing. So anyway I hooked a hose up to the outlet, filled it with water and cut the top out leaving a 1 inch border.Lo and freakin behold, when we look inside there is about a pint of epoxy sitting in the end where the outlet is...the tank has been left to sit on a 45 degree angle before the goo has gone off , completely covering the cross piece, and filling the "sump" area of the tank........then a drill bit has been run up the outlet......top effort....

The Colonel is going to make a gasket and screw down the plate we've made for the top, and then attach the piece with the filler neck to that, stuffed full of foam we should be fairly confident that it won't cavitate... We're buying a slightly smaller pump than the 044 which is bigger than we need.

I cleaned up and touched up the paint on the wheels, just a brush , rough as guts because the wheels have discs on both sides.

We found that the last surviving 1.5kg Cold Fire cylinder had carked it...corroded through. We're going to run one 4 kg cylinder for the fuel tank, sump and upper engine bay nozzles and keep a single 1.5kg cylinder for the cab.

We have decided to change the way the chute release operates. At the moment the doors are loaded by the drone spring pressure, this runs the risks of the doors opening accidentally and also means that sometimes the catch jams. We have decided to try and use a strap arrangement to retain the chute and drone and have the bay doors kept closed by magnets, when the pin is pulled it will release the strap allowing the drone to open the doors and pull the chute out.

I gave the screen a cut too with some 800 1200 and then 2000, I'll finish that when I run a buffer over the car as it goes in the trailer.

We also began to work out a better way to organize the canopy hinge....the current arrangement is made so that if the car is upside down the canopy pins can be popped and the canopy removed, but it tends to come of the ferrules which keep the pivot points aligned and allows the canopy to fall too far forward..

We've got 60 days.
Title: Re: Stralian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on January 03, 2010, 07:03:44 AM
So apart from that you can see by the board
We have also put a new battery in the clock on the wall
G

(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc28/grumm441/ored.jpg)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on January 03, 2010, 08:50:21 AM
It's fun to read about the "youse guys" begining thrash--glad you found your "likely culprit" on the fuel issues!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 03, 2010, 05:27:52 PM
Sparky, your name came up yesterday. I told the Rev about your two motor different trans 4wd deal....he kind of glazed over......"huh?, wha?".............

we had beer too. Now, I'm back sitting at my desk, in nice clothes.....wondering where the last two weeks went...and wondering how I'm gonna get everything done AND get to the lake AND run 200mph...... :wink:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on January 03, 2010, 10:33:25 PM
..... wondering how I'm gonna get everything done AND get to the lake AND run 200mph...... :wink:

Persistence...  8-)  :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: robfrey on January 03, 2010, 10:50:37 PM
we had beer too. Now, I'm back sitting at my desk, in nice clothes.....wondering where the last two weeks went...and wondering how I'm gonna get everything done AND get to the lake AND run 200mph...... :wink:
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Sleep less, eat less often and faster, work off a single "to do list" whiteboard, surround yourself with people like BBarn that keep telling you "we can do it!"
That's what works for me. love your project, can't wait to hear what it does.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 03, 2010, 11:20:35 PM
, surround yourself with people like BBarn that keep telling you "we can do it!"
That's what works for me. love your project, can't wait to hear what it does.

That's usually my job,  :-D , baseless enthusiasm, unshakeable confidence in the near impossible and a seeming inability to accept the inevitable, listen to a sensible voice or for that matter a voice of reason......

almost perfect for this sport... :wink:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on January 04, 2010, 06:56:33 AM
, surround yourself with people like BBarn that keep telling you "we can do it!"
That's what works for me. love your project, can't wait to hear what it does.

That's usually my job,  :-D , baseless enthusiasm, unshakeable confidence in the near impossible and a seeming inability to accept the inevitable, listen to a sensible voice or for that matter a voice of reason......

almost perfect for this sport... :wink:

And then there is me
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on January 04, 2010, 10:13:53 AM
wondering where the last two weeks went...and wondering how I'm gonna get everything done AND get to the lake AND run 200mph......

"Enthusastic PRECISTANCE Patience"
  and in the words of one of your "Pommey"{ may not be correct usage} cousins  "Never, never, never. never surender"!
,


Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: wobblywalrus on January 04, 2010, 03:57:26 PM
We are sort of like you guys.  We can't get it all done on time, and we have seven months.  Its not lack of time to work on things.  Its not enough time to save up the dough, buy the stuff, install it, and test it.  I won't run an engine unless it is broken in.  We will have everything done except the cam and pipes and we will probably go slower this year.  We tell our sponsors and fans that this is a "development year."  That way, if we go faster, its OK, and if we go slower, we have a pre-made excuse. Either way we will run and have a good time.



 

   
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 04, 2010, 05:06:06 PM
Hey, we'll be there....it's just that I never understand how it DOES happen.....the motor ain't built, I don't even know what I'm driving there, fire system...gotta be retested, reconfigured, ....check out the "to do list" on the photo above ....lots to do, it will be done , we will be there......we'll come home with a hat or a heap.


58 days. :wink:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on January 04, 2010, 05:21:19 PM
Working from a list is good, but our problem was always you clear 1 and add 2... prioritize necessity vs want
good luck  :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Mini Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on January 05, 2010, 05:01:01 AM
Our backup plan

(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc28/grumm441/Dsc_2800.jpg)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 05, 2010, 06:33:14 AM
......and like you said...."and then there is me"........ , so anyway, thanks for maintaining the facade that we're serious, sensible, and focused on the "sharp end" of landspeed racing.......I think you should avoid taking holidays,or if you must then spend the time meditating, or indulging in the dark art of porting.

EDIT: Cripes! I just noticed ....are you wearing a sports bra?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on January 05, 2010, 10:21:52 AM
 :? ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on January 05, 2010, 10:45:15 AM
Yep, you guys are my type of serious racers.... hope that's a Nomex sports bra...  :-o
 :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on January 06, 2010, 12:49:45 AM
Corrine asked me to point out that she is in fact wearing what's known in Aus as a "wife beater"
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=wife%20beater
If it's nomex or not, i cannot say
See if you recognise the steering wheel .
G
(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc28/grumm441/Dsc_2801.jpg)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 06, 2010, 03:54:53 PM
hmmmm, I dunno what to say but i'm figuring I'm gonna get clobbered whatever happens here, I know I can outrun you...........does she have a gun license too?

Yes the steering wheel is familiar and yeah I know where your gonna stick it next time you see me...

BTW bidding has started on the Monaro, the racing budget will soon get a top-up.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on January 07, 2010, 10:02:31 AM
Mmmm   Monaro

And for anyone who hasn't seen it

(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc28/grumm441/Bat327.jpg)
Title: Aussie Belly Tank fire system
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 10, 2010, 05:25:37 PM
...well, my Monaro weren't quiite like the Colonel's , but it's sold anyway....

Now , here is something that some people might find interesting.....

Yesterday the Colonel and I emptied the smaller bottles we had for our fire system .You may remember me commenting that they were failing at an alarming rate, one failed inspection before we went to the lake last year, another one ruptured not long after we got back from the lake and a month or so back we found the pressure lost in yet another one.

When we emptied them we found there to be large chunks of solid , some of them the size of your fingernail, one of the dip tubes broke ,and they were all blocked anyway......To be honest I'd bet my last dollar they wouldn't have worked, the solids would have blocked the nozzles....if they got that far..........And by the way....it's just soap, whatever they want to call it.

Due to the fail rate I made the comment to the Rev and the Colonel that we may as well empty the cylinders  after each trip to the lake because the solution corrodes the cylinders so badly, the checks and refills are much cheaper than the hardware , so in the long run it will work out cheaper ( and have more peace of mind ) to empty and clean them every year and then have them refilled the month before we go.

I'm glad our car didn't catch fire............................................................... 

 We have made the decision top move from the 1.5 kg to the 4Kg as a matter of necessity under the rules.so we've been tossing up where the best place to put them is as there is very very little available space anywhere in the car. We have elected to put them either side of the driver again where the original ones were but we'll have to make cut out in either side of the seat back.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on January 11, 2010, 07:43:09 AM
Am just sitting at home in Melbourne. It's 11:35 PM and according to the weather bureau, it was 35.9 degrees Celsius at 11;25 pm
Thats about 96F. Oh and it was 43.6c (110.3f) at 5 pm
Any how on to business
One of the siphon tubes just broke when i touched it
The good news is that the siphon tubes in the bigger bottles are not made of Aluminium but stainless steel
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Geo on January 11, 2010, 08:11:14 AM
Guys,

Thanks for reporting this.  What type of agent are in the extinguishers?

Cold Fire, AFFF Water & Foam, Water Mist, Wet Chemical, Regular Dry Chemical, ABC Muli-Purpose, Purple K, Carbon Dioxide, Halon?

Geo
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 11, 2010, 08:37:00 AM
ColdFire.

My recommendation is to empty them at the end of the season, then refill them shortly before you need them and get them certified. This way the cylinders and fitting will last a lot longer AND there will be no risk that the solids will form which will potentially block the lines or nozzles.

I didn't look that far into it ( Dean LA will sort us here I suggest) but from what I remember Aluminium is a reactive metal that protects itself with an impermeable oxide, obviously the solution in this system breaks down the oxide and so corrosion continues unabated , added to the issue of the detergent coagulating. Sure it might be "residue free" and "non-toxic plant based"...........but our system was terminally compromised and I believe non-functional.

I made the comment to the Colonel when we were doing this ..." It's weird ya know, they let you build your whole f****n car and yet you ain't allowed to look after the fire system, when it's patently obvious that the certification/design of this ain't satisfactory....." To be honest I'll say here and now , after seeing what I did , I'd be perfectly happy to empty the cylinders AFTER they were certified just to make sure they were OK....because last year they were stickered and yet as far as I can see they were next to useless.

Once again , off the bat without checking I have a feeling Halon has been banned after an asphyxiation (non-fatal) during DLRA Speedweek 2006....personally I don't want any oxygen replacing compound released in our car.......maybe powder or CO2 in the rear of the car but definitely not near me.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Ron Gibson on January 11, 2010, 01:59:15 PM
Just wondering if you know if the bottles were pressurized with air instead of nitrogen. The fire extinguisher company I use says they use nitrogen. I think (my opinion) there wouldn't be any corrosion without oxygen. Someone way smarter than me may chime in on this.

Ron
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: jl222 on January 11, 2010, 02:54:42 PM
  Ist.... Congratulations  :cheers:  100,000 hits on build diary the 1st, good job and entertaining too :-D

  Thanks on the heads up on Cold Fire,thats what we run and am now concerned. Just removed bottles yesterday and
  would like some answers from Cold Fire before I have them certified. Its a 4 hour drive one way to get them certified so refilling
  would mean 2 trips as shipping pressurized bottles is not allowed.

                JL222
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 11, 2010, 03:13:01 PM
Thanks John, we've enjoyed every minute of it.

I guess you're right about the nitrogen Ron, it would make sense.......and like wise someone with the knowledge will chime in.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Rob on January 11, 2010, 11:05:18 PM
 Thanks on the heads up on Cold Fire,thats what we run and am now concerned. Just removed bottles yesterday and
  would like some answers from Cold Fire before I have them certified. Its a 4 hour drive one way to get them certified so refilling
  would mean 2 trips as shipping pressurized bottles is not allowed.

                JL222
JL222,

Can't you drain and mail them, then just drive the once to pick up full bottles? Just a thought anyhow.

.................................

Keep slugging away Doc and Rev, by my math we're 55 days out and counting.

cheers,
Rob
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Geo on January 11, 2010, 11:33:30 PM
Yes, work the mind and prevent Alzheimer's.  Well, this is doing it!  A little research on foam leads me to not want use aluminum bottles (even with corrosion inhibitors).  Perhaps there was no corrosion inhibitor included in your mix.  Still stainless steel is better although steel looks OK.  Some info and links for the rest of you.  I pulled a few lines from documents to illustrate the confusion.  It will take further research on my part to decide what type of extinguisher to add to the one I already have.

From the ColdFire site. But rebutted in further documents.

Unlike old-fashioned AFFF foam, Cold Fire is completely non-corrosive and has an indefinite shelf life. You can put it in a 1.5 or 2.5 gallon extinguisher, or in the water tank of your crash truck and forget about it. It will never gel, crystalize, separate or corrode the metal. RDR offers even smaller 2,3 and 4 liter fire extinguishers with fixed nozzles. It can even be used in closed loop suppression/sprinkler systems.

http://www.fire-end.com/foam_types.htm

Fire fighting foams can be put into two very broad categories: Class A, and Class B. These categories correspond to the types of fuels that the foams are designed to be used on. This is very important! No matter what any salesman tells you Class A foam is not designed to put out class B fires. It looks white and bubbly, but they are chemically not compatible. Using Class A foam on flammable liquids (Class B) could extinguish the fire but lead to catastrophic results because of its inability to secure the explosive vapors. Class B fuels can be subdivided into two more subclasses: Hydrocarbons like gasoline, kerosene, and fuel oil will not mix with water; and polar solvents like alcohols, ketones, and ethers which will mix with water.

Class B foams can be divided into two general categories: synthetic based or protein based. Both types have advantages and disadvantages.

Synthetic foams are basically super soap with fire performance additives. They include high expansion foam, aqueous film forming foam (AFFF), and Alcohol Resistant aqueous film forming foam (AR-AFFF). In general synthetic foams flow more freely and provide quick knockdown with limited post fire security.

Protein foams use natural protein foamers instead of a synthetic soap, and similar fire performance components are added. Protein type foams include regular protein foam (P), fluoroprotein foam (FP), alcohol resistant fluoroprotein foam (AR-FP), film forming fluoroprotein (FFFP), and alcohol resistant film forming fluoroprotein (FFFP). In general, protein based foams spread slightly slower than synthetic, but produce a more heat resistant, longer lasting foam blanket.

http://www.firehouse.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35275

Protein-based foams can offer a significant advantage over detergent-based foams, however. Under some conditions, detergent foams make certain fuels easier to ignite.

Aqueous film forming foams (AFFF) are water-based and contain corrosive chemicals.
Suitable for use with carbon steel, fiberglass, polyethylene or stainless steel.
It is intended for use at a proportioning rate of 1% (1 part AFFF concentrate to 99 parts water) on Class B hydrocarbon type fuels such as gasoline, kerosene, diesel, etc. Chemguard 1% AFFF is not intended for use on fuels, which are polar solvent/water miscible such as alcohols, ketones, esters, etc.
Full stainless steel cylinder that resists corrosion.

Protein foams include regular protein foam (P), fluoroprotein foam (FP), alcohol resistant fluoroprotein foam (AR-FP), film forming fluoroprotein (FFFP), and alcohol-resistant film forming fluoroprotein (AR-FFFP).
FFFP foam on blended gasoline is your best choice because gasoline blended with MTBE prevents AFFF from forming a film under the bubbles.

http://safetyinfo.wordpress.com/fire-safety/classification-of-fire-extinguishers/water-foam-fire-extinguishers/

Geo
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 11, 2010, 11:51:42 PM
Nice work Wizard....I'm currently looking into a whole replacement system, and will be also seeking info from the supplier of the original system as to whether it is the same as what they supply now.....or whther these problems have come to light and changed their design/info/ingredients

Should this be another thread?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Geo on January 12, 2010, 12:09:25 AM
Thanks.  Wizzard   huh?  Well I have been called many things, so thank you Dr.

Yes I think it should have a thread of it's own.  You make the first post with your discovery and add my research.  We will see where it goes.

Lets have a safe 2010.  Year of the Tiger by the way.

Geo
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 13, 2010, 08:05:48 AM
Well, you're from "Oz".....

Back to the issue at hand which is "Australian Bellytank" .As my byline says we run a 3.8litre Buick based V6, it was extensively redeveloped by Holden at the time they first used it.The very first model they used it in was the VN Commodore. For some reason they used different cranks in the manual and auto models( they are referred to as the "six bolt" crank), the crank boss was bigger in the manual....so, you can't bolt a flywheel to an "auto" motor. When we first built the car we used a VN motor and as you can imagine the auto's were more numerous by about ten to one.So, of course the motors we bought were "autos".Come time to organise a flywheel ( yeah and they want a left nut for them as you can imagine) , we got a cast iron one...yeah I know, but the motor was stock with a rev limiter on it. rather than buying one of the available crank boss adapters I had one made( hey, you all would too)...however because of concerns about the positioning of the counterweight I got the shop to drill another set of holes so the flywheel could be rotated through six positions, rather than the asymmetrical pattern that only allows it to be bolted on one way JUST IN CASE there was an issue with the balancing when it went on the auto crank.

Then, we got a one owner car from my brother which was the next model along ( the VP), by this point they had decided that that it would be a good idea to make the cranks the same...., great lot of help that was , this motor is known as the "eight bolt crank" so of course the flywheel we had didn't fit.That was the motor we ran at the 2009 DLRA meet with a home made dual throttle body manifold,nicely ported heads, heavy springs, some big home made headers and little else....I ran 161.4mph on the 150mph license run before we had to go home.

At last years meet Scott Taylor a local magazine writer and sometime drag racer offered us a VN motor ( if you're follwing ...this is us going BACK to a six bolt again) that he had raced on the quarter and written articles about the build on, he'd run it with a turbo and run it like a yo-yo for a few years.He loved that we were running a V6 and was , with many others surprised at how quick our car went with an essentially stock motor. He'd built a new motor for his( as it was known) "blown VN" but soon after retired the car and sold all the ancillaries off the motor, living in a rural area he couldn't get any takers for the bottom end because of the freight cost and offered it to us at a great price.This motor has 9.6:1 pistons, a deleted balance shaft and now a new cam (http://www.landracing.com/forum/index.php/topic,862.800.html) we are using the same heads, manifold and exhaust. Today I bought a new cro-mo billet flywheel for it....problem being we need to fit it to the adapter, because of course it's a bloody auto motor. The adapter doesn't have the holes matched to the mount holes on the flywheel but rather the new set we had drilled so it could be rotated..........the new flywheel doesn't need a counterweight because the crank is balanced..........so now I have $750 worth of steel lying around and am nervously trying to work out whether we drill the extra holes in the new billet flywheel or drill another set of holes in the crank boss adapter( which already has six holes in it and not a lot of room left)

Here are the two six bolt flywheels , the cast with the extra holes ( on the larger diameter circle)drilled is on the right , the new billet job is on the left.

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/P1131201.jpg)

next is the adapter , first is the crank side.....allen head screws go in from this side into the flywheel

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/P1131202.jpg)

then the clutch side showing the holes for the crank bolts....

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/P1131203.jpg)

why am I bothering to show you this dumb tedium?
because it shows the tiny details and the infinite detail that you have to deal with just to get the car to where you want to be......and our car is basic, really really basic...to any of you who are watching, but don't race take it from me ........IT AINT ALL BEER AND SKITTLES some of it is a complete pain in the seat.

The Colonel starts bolting the motor together on the weekend. We'll see how go from there..............if we're lucky, and lets face it we have been so far, we'll do what we hope to and get to 200 this year......
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on January 15, 2010, 12:34:28 AM
Any adapter is, by it's very nature, a weak link - I'd be cautious about swiss-cheesing it.

I see 33% more RPM in your future.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 16, 2010, 04:01:28 PM
Any adapter is, by it's very nature, a weak link - I'd be cautious about swiss-cheesing it.
I see 33% more RPM in your future.

Ya Know, when I read 33% there was  an immediate clench. I'm not the worlds greatest engineer, yea, I'm not Plymouth on an engineer's boots.....but at anything above 7500rpm I'm thinking we're booked in for some sort of catastrophic failure, full stop.I hear the reasoning about putting more holes in that piece...however they are to be neatly spaced where you can see some circular marks between the outer ring of holes in the picture at the bottom in my last post, and it's , well, the way we're doing it now. The whole shebang(should I have used that word?) will of course need to be treated with some respect through the changes but there is a lot of metal in that thing still.

The Colonel and I set it up yesterday after double checking the cast flywheel with the adapter bolted to it on the motor we, yeah OK the Colonel ,is building, the starter motor meshed ok so I took it home . I checked that the pcd pattern matched the flex plate pattern(remember we are using an "auto crank") and that the counterweight was in the same place(..I've made sillier mistakes) and then marked the center of the holes by using a drill press with a bit the exact size of the holes in the flywheel( this is of course all happening on the iron flywheel). It would be very difficult to maintain concentricity if I were to drill the moly flywheel to suit the adapter as neither of them have a center................... I did have one of those moments after i'd marked the holes ,  freaked out, "oh no, oh Subaru, you idiot"...then I took it off, lost my spot, then when I'd calmed down sufficiently to have another look I put the adapter on backwards as I tried to line the crank holes up.....so, when I got to the seventh position my brain started working..."six bolts, seven tries and it still don't fit , there MUST be something wrong"...... I took a few deep breaths, sat down , set the flywheel up on edge with two G clamps and concentrated, second position..it all lined up beautifully, the counterweight in the right place . Then I went to the case where I thought I'd put the set of crank bolts from the first motor we had...as if by magic there they were, things were starting to flow dude.........

Yesterday I also managed to source all the bits required to change the fire system lines to steel....speaking of engineers , BSP/BPT anyone?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: generatorshovel on January 16, 2010, 04:41:30 PM
BSP , BSPF, BSPT, 1/8" or 1/4" I have a shit load of taps, and sets if you need any Goggs, gimme a call, I'll satchel bag 'em to Melb for you.
Tiny
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 16, 2010, 04:51:59 PM
I'm sorted there T'fer, just need to find mine...it's out there ....somewhere....

Just about to get out there and get started , the urgency has finally hit home....woke up at 4am, couldn't get back to sleep apart from stits and farts...lay there going over all the stuff we've gotta do...that I wish we'd knocked over a while back :roll:

49 days
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on January 16, 2010, 04:54:34 PM
My worry - and I have only a rough idea of scale here - and I ALWAYS worry -

Look at the distances between your center holes and the new holes you'll need to drill in order to line all of this up, and then take into account the distance between the holes you're no longer using.  

Looking at the crank face of the adapter, your shortest distance between the holes on the inside bolt circle and the holes on the outside bolt circle are no less than the diameter of the center hole for the pilot bushing.  The only place you can put more holes on your new outside bolt circle is in closer proximity to the holes on the center bolt circle = more force through less mass, at a higher RPM.

Think about a wheel adapter.  They're always engineered to provide maximum material between bolt circles, even if you're changing from a 4 bolt to a 5 bolt.  And this will be turning at a faster RPM than your wheels.

RPM = fatigue.
Less mass = less strength.

That's my worry.  I am no engineer, either, but maybe someone out there is and is willing to pipe in on this.  How thick is this adapter?  Is whipping up a new one completely out of the picture?  

Above everything else, I want to see you and this car hitting 200 +, and without having to test to see if the flywheel shield is adequate to the task.

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 16, 2010, 09:56:36 PM
The adapter is 3/4 inch thick..... It's taken 4 hours, I Subaru you not ,to drill and tap the six holes and dress the whole thing, that included a quick trip to get some more linishing belts, the new holes are the ones with the arrows, as you can see they are a pattern rather than the other outside ring holes which are symmetrical.As you can see I put a much finer finish on it

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/P1171205.jpg)

the good news is the Gods of Speed were in a good mood and it bolted up without the need for ANY coaxing, the bolts ran in by hand. I deburred everything so I could confidently stick my pinky in and turn it .

Now, to be candid I did very much think to myself that I may be better just getting another one made. I was in the blue corner , and I was in the red corner..... Like the battle I had over the fuel tank I paid special attention and respect to the possibility that the next one I made may have it's own problems, and cost money that should be spent elsewhere. Of course there was the obvious possibility that I stuffed it up and had to get to one made. In the big picture we could have had a whole one piece flywheel made( but it would have had a slip on ring gear rather than the machined teeth that are on the one I bought) but it may have cooked up it's own issues AND we would have had to get it balanced...as it is we have spent nearly $800, had I somehow got the measurements wrong( it has happened) we would have been stuffed.

As for the fuel tank the Colonel is half way through setting riv-nuts around the access plate we cut out of the top and cutting a gasket for same, then we'll stuff the foam into it and bolt it up again....

on we go...yea verily
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on January 16, 2010, 10:22:26 PM
Very nice work.  It's thicker than the previous pictures might lead one to believe.

Fears allayed, Captain Chrispy, standing down, over. :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 16, 2010, 11:32:56 PM
Well that's a wave of the wings Cap'n............Pushed on with other stuff, have cut the seat in order to fit the bigger fire bottle next to it, worked out how to fit a small bottle and it's attendant remote release at the back of the firewall and have also made provision for a camera mount on the top of the cab.........right now the 4am wake up is taking it's toll. Am currently trying to figure out a quick way to lengthen the brake pedal , the list is getting shorter. :wink:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on January 16, 2010, 11:36:32 PM
they are around here somewhere ----in red neck is---- "thys round here summers"   :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 17, 2010, 01:19:20 AM
they are around here somewhere ----in red neck is---- "thys round here summers"   :cheers:
funny yer should mintion thayte cuzzin Bill, I jiss dun sum WITTLIN!!!!

We miscalculated a little with the frame during our build and there is a frame bar that runs across what should be the front of the seat but it turnmed out that I ended up with my coccyx resting on it and at the end of Speedweek I was real sore....here it is with the floor plate in place, the flat section to the right of the aluminium has a half inch thick neoprene pad that is supposed to be the seat squab, my backside tended to end up on the curved section  in the middle of the shot....

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/P1171207.jpg)

here is the bar itself, the groin belt mount are through it...., the belts mount to the left of the bar

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/P1171206.jpg)

here I have sectioned a piece out of the top and then welded in some 3/16 flat, we'll modify the floor plate as well next weekend.

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/P1171208.jpg)

I also lengthened the brake pedal by an inch and a half Colonel, now we'll be able to lock 'em up and flat spot the tyres.. :roll: :roll: :roll:

All in all it's been a good day.



Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: wobblywalrus on January 17, 2010, 01:22:18 AM
Really critical parts like connecting rod bolts are installed new and tightened down once.  They are not loosened and retightened a second or third time.  Over the years I have seen other critical bolts treated in the same manner.  "One use bolts" we call them.  It may be a good idea to use the old bolts to check and make sure the adapter fits and use a set of new good quality bolts to install it.

Imbalance can be a problem with homemade items that rotate very fast.  It is caused by parts that are out of true (not concentric), a weight imbalance, or both.  If available, it is a good idea to run the tank on a dyno to make sure everything will hold together and not shake apart.

If you like your new setup, it is worth it to have a new flywheel made and balanced after this year's Gairdner runs.  Shift slow and easy.    
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 17, 2010, 03:57:27 AM
Really critical parts like connecting rod bolts are installed new and tightened down once.  They are not loosened and retightened a second or third time.  Over the years I have seen other critical bolts treated in the same manner.  "One use bolts" we call them.  It may be a good idea to use the old bolts to check and make sure the adapter fits and use a set of new good quality bolts to install it.

Imbalance can be a problem with homemade items that rotate very fast.  It is caused by parts that are out of true (not concentric), a weight imbalance, or both.  If available, it is a good idea to run the tank on a dyno to make sure everything will hold together and not shake apart.

If you like your new setup, it is worth it to have a new flywheel made and balanced after this year's Gairdner runs.  Shift slow and easy.    
Absolutely, on the flywheel bolts, they'll be unused items.The ones I mentioned are new 8.8 allen heads that have the knurling turned off and are a very close fit in the adapter so they are a flush fit.we never used the six bolt motor we first had.

The adapter was made by a gear shop specializing in well, gears, if you read the detail, it was made so as to be able to be rotated, so a symmetrical bolt pattern was put into it and a new set of holes drilled in the flywheel. I didn't want to drill the cro-moly flywheel I have just bought but used the old one as a template...anything can happen of course but I'm confident it will be balanced.

We'll be moving to a different motor next year so whatever happens it will be a different set-up.

Tonight I saw a friend who has an engine tuner based next to his factory who has an engine dyno , he's seen video of the tank and wants to help with our mapping and EMS.

....that's gonna be handy :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Geo on January 17, 2010, 09:36:25 AM
Absolutely, on the flywheel bolts, they'll be unused items.

The adapter was made by a gear shop specializing in well, gears...

Tonight I saw a friend who has an engine tuner based next to his factory who has an engine dyno , he's seen video of the tank and wants to help with our mapping and EMS.

Wow!  Stars seem to be aligning near the Southern Cross!   :-D

I am practicing my 200 mph dance so as to be looking smart when the celebration commences.

I love the comments everyone.  You are not only helping the tank boys here.  :cheers:

Geo
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on January 17, 2010, 10:42:18 AM
Back in the mid-60's my dad was the sales manager for Premier Industries - a firm that made "Supertanium" fasteners -- which were marked and sold as "8-line" bolts and such.  It was great for me as a teen - because Premier had a garage/shop at Indianapolis - to supply fasteners to the racers -- so Dad and I would get garage passes for the time trials.  We went every year for a while -- got to see Andy Granatelli  helping start up the Novi, for instance, and saw the turbine car run and on and on.

But that's not why I'm writing this.  Dad taught me that Premier's guys had researched and learned about fatigue of fasteners -- that after 4 or 5 uses, properly torqued, they would have lost up to 80% of original strength due to stretching.  So that's why you should carefully consider reusing stuff that's absolutely critical.

By the way -- Dad also got pretty much unlimited free samples of the Supertanium bits and pieces -- so when I'd rebuild the Briggs and Stratton mower, for instance, I'd let him know what sizes I needed -- and viola, great stuff for free.  I remember rebuilding the engine in the '58 Olds with Supertanium.  One time a while later we had the hood up at a gas station and the mechanic darn near swallowed his chew when he saw those fancy nuts and bolts throughout the engine.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: manta22 on January 17, 2010, 12:23:19 PM
That was one lawn mower that wasn't going to come apart, Jon!

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: wobblywalrus on January 17, 2010, 01:01:00 PM
Rolled threads give a bit of added strength as compared to cut threads  Provided there is enough room around the bolt heads, the flanged hex head bolts work well for this application, and I use them where I can.  Also, an unthreaded shank except for the portion in the female threads works best, based on my experience.

You'all seem to be on track and doing well.  Running the belly tank is an accomplishment regardless of the speed.  That setup is completely home built using "applied engineering."  Have the best of luck.    
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on January 17, 2010, 01:34:44 PM
Just so you know, Doctor - we ARE paying attention in class . . .

. . . had to take the flywheel off to get it onto the engine stand...gee those flywheel bolts were kind of loose :?

Might want to add "double check torque settings on new flywheel and adapter" to the chalk board.

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 17, 2010, 03:32:07 PM
Rolled threads give a bit of added strength as compared to cut threads  Provided there is enough room around the bolt heads, the flanged hex head bolts work well for this application, and I use them where I can.  Also, an unthreaded shank except for the portion in the female threads works best, based on my experience.

You'all seem to be on track and doing well.  Running the belly tank is an accomplishment regardless of the speed.  That setup is completely home built using "applied engineering."  Have the best of luck.    

Carroll Smith's great quote..."never, EVER, make a bolt" is pertinent here...I don't know it word for word but I have read his chapter "Why Things Break" lots of times.The strength of cut threads doesn't come anywhere near that of rolled threads due to the grain.

 

Funny thing , when we got the eight bolt flywheel we used at last years meet it came with a set of factory bolts ,I turned the head off one of them at less than half the recommended torque setting, and yes I had run a tap through the crank holes just to make sure they weren't crudded up.It just came off like a cheap garden variety  bolt head , when I undid the others and lifted the flywheel off I could wind the rest of it out with my fingers. The people we got the flywheel from insisted they had to be used and charged no small sum for them, it was a worry that one was so defective.....

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 20, 2010, 12:12:12 AM
Hey it's all go go go here at The spirit of Sunshine Central.........

here is a recent email exchange between the brains trust ....we have decided to enter the car in "streamliner class" as well this year , just by adding some simple guards to the rear wheels....the most recent exponent of this was I think the Old Crow tank. There are few streamliner records here, there is a E/BGS, EBFS build on the go that I think will be ready for 2011, but not much else...all the other stuff has been in A or AA.

Strap yourselves in , my only regret is I can't draw a comic strip to go with this.......

Rev wrote:
I have found some rear guards perfect for our bellytank to streamliner
mod.:
(http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd35/Jarman-Stewart/Morrisguards.jpg)

We'll put a steel flat face on the inside to attach to the drums or an
axle tab.

 Close the outside arc with a flat piece.
 
 Hell we could even make the brake lights and indicators functional!
  Will be more slipstreamed, better lookin, quicker to build and in more
keeping with the car than some trailer style.

I am bidding on them.

dik


Doc wrote:
Have you read the stuff I did yesterday?....hopefully we can sort the
bum-torture sitch out , I'm getting the fuel pump organised and also
the rest of the fire system stuff.

We're getting there.

also I met an old mate last night who has a business neighbour who is
a tuner and has a dyno. He's keen to help us with our mapping.

DrG


The Rev wrote:
I thought we discussed the seat and you said that it was fine with the
blue rubber insert, so I spent a little time cleaning it up and
ticked it off the list...

Now its back on the list?

Dyno sounds interesting, we can save money by blowing up the motor
here instead of there.

d

Doc wrote:

Now that was funny, I had thought about that possibility, but not
that it would save us money.
But , your majesty, I've a cunning plan....................

We get the new motor dyno'd, and stick it in the car, but we also take
the VP bottom end that we used last year. We are up to parachute
passes, then we are able( with the front runners)to run to or about
200.At that point we are in destructo territory, if we get
there.....or if it does it twice.....

If we organise the guards so we can run in streamliner class we need
to go up through the licensing passes....just once, not each driver.

The VP motor was pretty much out of huff at 160.....it might do 175
with the limiter off.

So, with the new(VN) motor in we do the parachute passes, we each go
for 200.

If the motor hangs together we put the guards on, do 125, 150 , 175
and if it's STILL hanging together try for 200 , alternate drives.

If the motor DOESN'T hang together we put the VP in it , at whatever
point of the above plan we get to and start at the licensing passes
for Streamliner.

Yeah I hear you, we only got four passes last year , but there's two
tracks this year........... and to quote Ben "next year I'm gonna have
a plan!"....

You know it makes sense.


The Rev wrote:
Not only does it make sense, I had already thought about that.
Also could pop the Colonel in for the first drive...

Oh, by the way, we are now the owners of two Morris Minor
guards. Anyone going to Wendouree soon?

Reverend H+
 
ps we had 4 passes in the first year after two years no racing in a
week half washed out with one track, if we can manage 2 a day that's
the eight passes required for 3x200mph by Thursday.
Don't forget we can do the two fuel classes for streamliner too so the
Spirit can have 4 Australian landspeed records to her name.


Doc wrote:
get him to freight the guards , it's $25 gas at least for me to get
 them...and three hours I haven't really got, probably only 45 bucks ,
or ask if he has Couriers Please and get 'em sent to Grumm

The Colonel wrote:

Don't send em to me
 I've got enough scrap metal lying around at work
 Unfortunately I have to work on saTURDay, so while I am there I am
 hoping to do the cam dial on the engine and then maybe if i get time i
 will assemble it
 Speaking of cams, my bank account details are still the same.
 And yes I would drive it, if i could work the stupid clutch pedal, or
 perhaps even get in or out of the thing
I would only have to buy a fire suit, and another helmet, which reminds
 me, you should check with Bob if your helmet is still legal
 Which gets me back to that thread on dlra. Who designed this rubbish anyway
 G
 

Doc wrote:

clutch?....find us one of those miniature remote boosters and I'll put it in.

Dunno what everyone’s movements are for the weekend but the meeting is on at Norm's I don't want to go but we have to enter as it is the last day before late fees,.I will have the bundy tube and the fittings to do the fire system, am finding out about filliing the empty cylinder and getting them all checked this week, to be done next week.I did the cut on the seat for the other cylinder and fitted the pinchweld to the edges. I drilled holed for the Ubolt on thefirst one , haven't sorted the second one but I think we may need to double up some of the stainless hose clamps cause we don't have enough big ones.......

Colonel can you pocket the seat catch you have been talking about so we can get that at least as a temp measure on the chute doors.
 
I bought some 1.2.mm plate steel yesterday to use for the streamlinerguards, did you ask the guy about freight Dik?

Rev wrote:
He is going to deliver them to your door personally. He is coming down this weekend to see the Hot Rod show and so will be passing by on ballarat Road.
 
The guards are a bitwedge shaped so we may need to put a top to them as well to get the inner side parallel but no biggy, cardboard will save the day.
 
We'll do it nice and strong then bog the curve on top to make it all nice.
 
d


Doc wrote:

That's good, in light of "The guards are a bit wedge shaped so we may need to put a top to them as well to get the inner side parallel but no biggy, cardboard will save the day.We'll do it nice and strong then bog the curve on top to make it all nice
" , trust me.........this is a one pass job , there will be no fore-lock tugging.....if it's too hard we go with the Dolan interpretation and just make an "in spirit only" version and wait til when we have time to burn to get these nice cowls all sweet.....................

Rev wrote:
I think my forelock has been tugged off...
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: wobblywalrus on January 20, 2010, 12:27:51 AM
Like you guys, I use a lot of allen bolts and I have loosening problems, too.  I think the high stresses under the allen bolt head are distorting the metal underneath and the bolt loosens.  A pix of flanged bolts are attached.  The shoulder area is a lot bigger and there are lower stresses on the underlying metal.  They are working better for me than allen bolts or allen bolts with washers.  No loosening.

The drawbacks are the size of the hole that is needed to countersink them and they are expensive.  I buy them from Triumph since I do not know any other sources.  That's all I know or have to say about bolts. 

Put the fenders on the tank before you leave.  If they do not fall off on that rough road in to the lake they will probably hang on through any race.


  
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 20, 2010, 12:43:24 AM
Like you guys, I use a lot of allen bolts and I have loosening problems, too.  I think the high stresses under the allen bolt head are distorting the metal underneath and the bolt loosens.

If I could find a shouldered bolt like that one pictured with a flange that fitted, I'd be on it like a monkey on a biscuit....problem is that most of those things are special purpose and it's usually a case of finding one and designing around it................
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on January 20, 2010, 01:32:14 AM
". . . the pinnacle of the straightaway racer's art" now seems to include Morris Minor fenders.

God help me, I love this sport.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on January 20, 2010, 01:38:33 AM
Don't forget the to make room for the fan
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 23, 2010, 05:24:17 PM
Got some work done on the fire system yesterday.Bending 1/4 bundy tube around the tight confines of the tank's innards is time consuming work, trust me. With the aluminium lines it was pretty simple, with the steel it almost all has to be done on the little line bender....

Got word from the Colonel yesterday that he'd dialled the cam  and that "specs are as advertised".......at that moment I had my head under the hood of a VW attempting to find why the dashlight stopped working after I installed a stereo in it ..........can't get enough of that stuff.

During the week I got the new fuel pump and entered the car for this year.

Now I better get out there and get on with it. :wink:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 24, 2010, 07:07:21 AM
I'm sitting on a chair beside the tank with the double flaring kit and a little tube cutter. Anyway I'm having a chuckle to myself about a list of instructions as to how to use the tools....

1./Measure the EXACT length of tube, mark.
2./Clamp the cutting tool over the mark turning and tightening until cut.
3./Clamp tube into anvil, leave 3/16 proud.
4./Place die in tube and wind clamp down to form first flare.
5./Remove die and wind clamp down to form second flare and remove clamps.
...
6./ cut off flare, because you haven't put the line nut on :roll:...now it's too short?
7./ Repeat......

so I'm laughing to myself, I look down ....sure enough I've done it for the second time in five......

I got I few things done today ,the fire system is all tied up...I tidied up the clutch and brake lines too, hid them a bit better, housekeeping stuff.Then I started on the canopy hinge, haven't really got any concrete ideas what I'm going to do yet but it needs to be firmed up and still be so the pins can be pulled.

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on January 24, 2010, 07:53:28 PM
6./ cut off flare, because you haven't put the line nut on :roll:...now it's too short?
7./ Repeat......
I have a very similar approach to repairing microphone and guitar cables.

But you can't screw up if you aren't working :cheers:.   

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Peter Jack on January 24, 2010, 07:57:43 PM
A lot of people put loops in the line supposedly to help fight cracking from vibration. I think you may have discovered the real reason for those loops. :evil: :evil: :-D

Pete
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 24, 2010, 11:25:32 PM
A lot of people put loops in the line supposedly to help fight cracking from vibration. I think you may have discovered the real reason for those loops. :evil: :evil: :-D

Pete

I was polite!.....as with mains leads, mic leads, brake lines, all of them, there's also the possibility of putting the wrong type on, or forbid, the wrong way round..........or , as I said, just leaving it off, just for the hell of it..... :roll:Canon leads are the worst

Today I did a test firing of sorts of the fire system, just water and with about 120psi of air in it rather than the recommended 190, I probably had too much water in it too, which would reduce the amount of air ......as it was the dispersion wasn't too bad...and although obviously the engine bay was empty it went everywhere...
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on January 27, 2010, 12:57:36 AM
Hmmm . . .

That absolute stillness and quiet we're hearing on line must be the sound of a thrash in progress.

Go, Sunshine! :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Nexxussian on January 28, 2010, 05:18:57 PM
Hmmm . . .

That absolute stillness and quiet we're hearing on line must be the sound of a thrash in progress.

Go, Sunshine! :cheers:

Methinks you're right.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 28, 2010, 07:49:24 PM
......well kind of, haven't laid a finger on it since the weekend but in my mind we're nearly there...all the individual tasks and items are floating around in space(yeah, in my head) and the sequencing of it is coming together.....

As it stands there are some imperatives.....the chute doors have been debated ,at this point we are probably just going to use a sturdier version of the catch we already have, we need to finish the fuel tank mods and we have to improve the canopy hinge. We have to get the motor back together and do a trial reassemble if we have time we'd like to dyno the new motor...if we have time. Speaking of which , if we have time there's a bunch of other stuff we'd like to do...methinks that'll be waitingThis year looks like it'll be a good one for tanks with at least five looking like starters
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 28, 2010, 10:34:17 PM
here's the poster for this year's meet, it will of course be available as a T-shirt as well, pride of place is Norm and Oggies '34 which some of you may have seen at Bonneville this year.....if you look closely you may well notice something else....

I will once again be taking orders for shirts , I expect they will be available in women's sizes as well.

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y108/dlra2/2010/speedweek2010.jpg)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Rchop on January 28, 2010, 10:54:49 PM
hmmmm, the tank in the middle looks familiar  :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on January 28, 2010, 11:29:08 PM
.....if you look closely you may well notice something else....

Of course - I can't remember their names, but I think I dated those girls . . .


Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on January 28, 2010, 11:42:14 PM
they have red hair... nature's warning sign.



Stoked to be on the poster.
Now we have a reason to not repaint the car too!

rH+
Speed Deacon
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on January 28, 2010, 11:47:36 PM
Will the shirt include velcro tabs for the Morris Minor fenders?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 29, 2010, 12:42:59 AM
Fender?, did someone say Fender.....I've got few of those... I lie ,it's more than a few..............

OK my answers to the BIG four questions in life .....its
1./ Stones
2./Keith
3./ Fender
4./Telecaster

have a good day :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: landsendlynda on January 29, 2010, 12:45:44 AM
Beautiful, Dr. Goggles, just Beeutiful!!

Lynda

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on January 29, 2010, 12:49:29 PM
Speaking of shirts, Dr. G - you never got back to me afterr I reported that I do have both M and L Salt Talks '09 shirts still available.  Want one or two (or maybe more)?  Lemme know.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Glen on January 29, 2010, 01:06:22 PM
Cool Poster :-D
:cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: gearheadeh on January 29, 2010, 02:55:27 PM
Fender?, did someone say Fender.....I've got few of those... I lie ,it's more than a few..............

OK my answers to the BIG four questions in life .....its
1./ Stones
2./Keith
3./ Fender
4./Telecaster

have a good day :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink:

How does it go..... a Rolling Stone gathers no moss?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on January 29, 2010, 06:07:15 PM
Fender?, did someone say Fender.....I've got few of those... I lie ,it's more than a few..............

OK my answers to the BIG four questions in life .....its
1./ Stones
2./Keith
3./ Fender
4./Telecaster

have a good day :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink:

If you start me up, I'll never stop . . . :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 04, 2010, 08:05:11 PM
"I wasn't looking too good but I was feeling real well "

now, off the stones and back to the Tank. We had /have an issue with the new camshaft hjaving a smaller base circle than the former and thus the push-rods are too short.Rather than machine the rocker pivots we have elected to buy longer rods.This was decided because if we machine the rocker pivots we can only use those heads with that cam. The cam grinder said that the average amount to take off is 55 thou . we have decided to buy longer push-rods . The Cam grinder seemed to think we'd be okay....I am concerned about whether we may have too much pre-load on the lifters?...We've done some rough sums and aimed for the closest rod length we can get, no time for customs ones....so , here's the question.

I was wondering whether when dealing with this problem anyone has shimmed the rocker pivots?

Are we asking for it?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on February 04, 2010, 08:15:39 PM
We had to shim one last year between the stand and the head because we didn't discover we had one valve too long untill after the heads were back on and we didn't have time to pull it.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: bvillercr on February 04, 2010, 08:26:45 PM
We had the same problem when we built our new A motor, except our cam was bigger in diameter so it made our push rods too long.  Good luck at speedweek down under. :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on February 04, 2010, 09:50:43 PM
Worm can opened :evil:
G
And worms EVERYWHERE!.

Is an adjustable push rod a possibility?  You'd be able to dial it right in and maintain correct rocker geometry and lifter preload without undue stress on the pushrod socket, and less side loading on the valve stem.

They would also give you more options for next year, should you decide to skim the head.

I know, it sure is easy to spend your money . . .
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 04, 2010, 10:46:12 PM
Been searching on the topic and it seems that the feeling is that adjustable rods are for motors that aren't going to trouble the tacho, or repairs. They're too heavy is the word and that means they are more prone to causing float.

Thankfully the original rods are in the range of SBC rods and so it was easy to find the length we needed .
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on February 05, 2010, 02:09:47 AM
Did some good work on the weekend, strengthened the canopy hinge; something we mucked around a bit with previously to have a release mechanism of the canopy at the hinge if the car was upside down which weakened the whole link in the first place.

Now we have decided if the car is upside down we can peel back the body work to get to the hinge if needs be, or the canopy might indeed be off anyway. (!)

We made the seat more comfortable by a factor of three by removing a piece that met right at the coccyx and by making a lumber support piece to fill in that gap in your lower back. Less stress in the cockpit = good.

Continued making the canopy trim. As discussed elsewhere this is important in completing the look of the car as it is the car's "face" and we want it suitably hungry for speed.

Other than that news is the wife and baby aren't coming which is a big loss, she loved it last time and I want to introduce the youngster to the lake, but simply cannot afford it to the level of comfort they'll need if it gets really hot.

So another men's meet it will be.


rH+
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on February 05, 2010, 10:56:09 AM
Comfort, comfort,  :?  there is no comfort in Salt Flat Racing  :evil:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on February 05, 2010, 11:22:08 AM
Doc, don't worry too much about the canopy, they come off as soon as the car turns sideways so it will not be an escape issue. 

Be careful out there, do you have a way to get the chute out quickly?  without removing your hands from the wheel?  it has been such a long thread that I don't remember.  If not, practice the move a lot, so the first sign of loss of control you instinctively throw the laundry. 

Can't wait to see your results.  :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 05, 2010, 03:16:06 PM
Comfort, comfort,  :?  there is no comfort in Salt Flat Racing  :evil:

well, comfort may not be the right word for it.Last year I would have been less uncomfortable if I'd been kicked up the fundamental by a horse every five minutes. A slight miscalculation, OK a complete redesign of the way the seat worked had my coccyx sitting on a cross bar, instead of on the padding that finished NEXT to it....... :oops:

Doc, don't worry too much about the canopy, they come off as soon as the car turns sideways so it will not be an escape issue. 

Be careful out there, do you have a way to get the chute out quickly?  without removing your hands from the wheel?  it has been such a long thread that I don't remember.  If not, practice the move a lot, so the first sign of loss of control you instinctively throw the laundry. 

I'm not so sure about the canopy blowing off, when we sorted the pivots on the hinge it went from ..kind of rickety to SNAP!....it has a bit of weight to it and  a station wagon tailgate catch on either side and it seems to catch better , close tighter and be a little more reluctant to pop than it did.
The parachute release is on the steering wheel , a momentary button right under your thumb.At the moment there is no fail-safe for the solenoid which would be as simple as a cable that can be yanked if the solenoid don't do the do.

With a bit of luck we might have the motor buttoned up today.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on February 05, 2010, 10:57:46 PM

I'm not so sure about the canopy blowing off, when we sorted the pivots on the hinge it went from ..kind of rickety to SNAP!....it has a bit of weight to it and  a station wagon tailgate catch on either side and it seems to catch better , close tighter and be a little more reluctant to pop than it did.
The parachute release is on the steering wheel , a momentary button right under your thumb.At the moment there is no fail-safe for the solenoid which would be as simple as a cable that can be yanked if the solenoid don't do the do.

With a bit of luck we might have the motor buttoned up today.

Doc, Hope you never find out what a 200 MPH wind from the side might do to your canopy or its hinges.  The chute on a button was the best modification we ever did, has saved our bacon 4 times.  (finally figured out what was making it want to swap ends) 
Keep up the good work, you will be racing in less than a month if I have it right.   :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 06, 2010, 03:56:43 AM
yeah , a month. I got the fuel tank from the Colonel today to finish off the mods, had to drill the holes to mount the top plate, just sent him a text to tell him that I stuffed up and got the pattern flipped :oops: :roll: :evil: :-o :?.......worst case I'll weld the holes I drilled and start again but it should be easier than that.....good news is during the course of the day I whacked my left thumb and my right index finger.....


If anyone needs an idiot , don't hesitate to call , I'M RIGHT HERE........ :oops:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on February 06, 2010, 09:35:09 AM
.....good news is during the course of the day I whacked my left thumb and my right index finger.....

Something like this?
(http://i361.photobucket.com/albums/oo58/milwaukeemidget/Midget%20Build/DSCN3544.jpg)
Makes sweet-pickin' kinda tough, tele-brother . . .

You're NOT an idiot - you're just focused on the task at hand.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Rob on February 06, 2010, 07:09:39 PM
or perhaps the hands at task?

Keep going Doc, you're got a month and eight fingers to go!

Cheers,
Rob
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 07, 2010, 06:00:02 PM
or perhaps the hands at task?
Keep going Doc, you're got a month and eight fingers to go!
Cheers,
Rob

Fortunately when I got up yesterday the thumb was better , not worse as I'd feared, it's still sort of stiff......It was the moment when I thought ..."you should clamp that piece down while you're drilling it", about five seconds later , as I was drilling the last hole.....BAM!

Then I walk over to the bench grinder with the same piece...." don't put aluminium on the grinder , it always clags the stone, if it doesn't bite first..."......about one second into that venture it grabbed and smacked my index finger onto the rest.....

dunno if I can afford to fly to Stockholm to collect the Nobel Prize for those this year but I'll gladly accept it. :roll:

Yesterday we got a lot of stuff ticked off. We replaced the catch on the 'chute doors. We used a seat catch from a scooter, last years was as the Colonel said "as cheap as they come", we got a better made one and with a little fettling it seems to work much better than before.

The fuel tank access panel is finished and has a new breather. we also had a bit of a fiddle with the mount for the tank as it wasn't perfectly centered and we couldn't put the cover piece in the bodywork AND be able to undo the cap on the tank, now we can. This doesn't seem like a big deal but we had the original filler port from the tank which is a big brass flat cap with the classic old aero style ring , just like a real tuner car!...so anyway rather than the big hole above the fuel filler that we had last year we'll have the original filler port from the Canberra fuel tank.

We finished the fire system mods, and I have the cylinders with me at work so I can get them tested ....we're nearly at the stage where we can do a proper assembly and get ready to go.

25 days to go.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on February 07, 2010, 07:45:39 PM
Dr. G, I'll make you a deal.  You tell me what the word "fettle" means - although I assume it's similar to the American "mess with" or f**k around with" -- and I'll acknowledge that you're in the middle of a "thrash".  Sounds great -- getting things done, not folding under the pressure.  Best to you, as we all wish every day.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 07, 2010, 08:51:45 PM
Na , that ones from the dictionary slim, not the toilet wall,

transitive verb fettled -·tled, fettling -·tling

1.Dialectal to put in order or readiness; arrange


A former boss would use it in an "airey" way when talking to customers about a part that wasn't 100%......" look , they're hard to get now and I'm sure with a little fettling it'll do the job......."

read, " That's nearly stuffed that part, pay me for it and when you bring it back neither of us will be able to tell the difference between the damage done before and after you bought it , so I won't give you your money back....."

 :wink:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on February 07, 2010, 10:17:30 PM
When I arrived on Sunday the doc had already welded up and redrilled the holes for the petrol tank (as he had had the template back to front) and all that was required was to tidy it up. Dr G said that with so many bolt heads on it that it looked, "You know...".

I said "...English?" referring to the tendency of UK engineers to use 18 bolts when 4 well placed ones would do, and he said, "No, it looks kinda gay".

So I made sure that I polished the lid up really well because the last thing is that we want anything to look English...

Photo please Dr G!!

Reverend H+
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on February 07, 2010, 10:33:31 PM
So I made sure that I polished the lid up really well because the last thing is that we want anything to look English...

So you're worried about looking English, yet you propose to parade around in these Pommy Pantaloons? :-D

(http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd35/Jarman-Stewart/Morrisguards.jpg)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 08, 2010, 12:06:52 AM
So I made sure that I polished the lid up really well because the last thing is that we want anything to look English...

So you're worried about looking English, yet you propose to parade around in these Pommy Pantaloons? :-D

(http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd35/Jarman-Stewart/Morrisguards.jpg)

Speaking of Pommy Loons....nah , the most we'll muster this year are real "cheater guards"....just a piece that protrudes beyond the edge of the tyre so we can run in streamliner class ......

as you were men. :wink:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on February 08, 2010, 03:44:28 AM
captain chrispy,

these pantaloons are what we call "hipster irony".

For those who don't know the term irony:

i⋅ro⋅ny1  /ˈaɪrəni, ˈaɪər-/  Show Spelled Pronunciation [ahy-ruh-nee, ahy-er-]  Show IPA
–noun, plural -nies. 1. the use of words to convey a meaning that is the opposite of its literal meaning: the irony of her reply, “How nice!” when I said I had to work all weekend. 
2. Literature. a. a technique of indicating, as through character or plot development, an intention or attitude opposite to that which is actually or ostensibly stated.
b. (esp. in contemporary writing) a manner of organizing a work so as to give full expression to contradictory or complementary impulses, attitudes, etc., esp. as a means of indicating detachment from a subject, or theme
 
In other words, it's like wearing a Michael Bolton Tee shirt to a Neil Young concert.

rH+
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on February 08, 2010, 06:57:13 PM
Got it - like being 6'5", and driving a Midget.  :wink:

Must be the "Hipster" aspect I need to brush up on.  Probably be second nature to me if I was . . .

you know . . .

English.

 :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 08, 2010, 09:02:57 PM
I trust your judgement Chris, trust me.

Now on the subject of the fuel tank.....below is a shot of the tank before I put in the last layer of foam. The hole cut in the top has Riv-nuts around it, the partition you can see is to prevent the return line ( seen in the upperleft corner)from aerating the contents , as a reminder we put the foam in the tank because we believed that cavitation has wrecked our fuel pump.

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/P2071212.jpg)

The next shot is the tank in situ with the new top and filler in place , as you can see once all the fasteners are in place it's gonna look like one of those studded Harley panniers  :roll: , It wasn't so long ago the Rev had a handlebar moustache....what next? a set of chaps over the flame suit?

speaking of flames the extinguisher cylinders were collected today for testing and refilling , another thing off the list, another note out the window.

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/P2071217.jpg)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Geo on February 08, 2010, 10:02:07 PM
Keep after it boys!   :cheers:

On the fuel tank, just so I gets it right...  The return enters the fuel container (the tank is the car) filling up the area above the baffle (partition) and then the liquid waterfalls into the main part of the container while the gas (vapor) flows near the top, yes?  The pickup for the pump is next to the bottom, yes again?

What did you find out on the fire system fluid mix?

Geo
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 08, 2010, 10:59:58 PM
Correct on all counts there(ahhhh the Count, "I laaaarrrrv to Count!")...... baffle causes return line to run down side of cell, pick up is at bottom, breatherline is visible in shot, goes via NRV to breather line.

Have spoken to Fire system cert' guy who says "YES, empty the system and store the AFFF in a plastic airtight container and return it with the cylinders next year to be repackaged"...

DO NOT STORE THE CYLINDERS FULL, UNLESS THEY ARE STAINLESS. He showed me a steel cylinder that seriously looked brand new that was from  a 20 year old industrial automated system, he had just re-installed it and five minutes later heard a hissing noise only to find it had a pin-hole( yes, steel)....as he pointed out this system needs to function 24/7.....we need ours for a week a year....when we don't need it it is just sitting there corroding so it might as well be emptied..........

This way they'll last for a long time. Like wise the foam we put in the fueltank we were told would last about twelve months of constant fuel exposure, so I figure if we wash it with alcohol after each event we should get a few years out of it.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: generatorshovel on February 08, 2010, 11:21:40 PM
"I figure if we wash it with alcohol after each event we should get a few years out of it."

Your gonna P i $ $ in it doc?

Alcohol does strange things to most everything and everybody it comes in contact with mate, Iv'e had it in my fuel line (rubber) for 1/2 hour before draining to do a jet change,,and it has changed colour from clear, to something resembling wd40,,,,,,,,,,,
Tiny (in OZ)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on February 09, 2010, 08:58:36 AM
Doc, we use fuel safe foam, been in the tank for 15 years or so.  We drain it when we get back, mix a little Marvel Mystery Oil with the residual gas in the bottom of the tank and run the pumps to lube them till next year.  Put a good screen filter before your FI pump, the foam gives up a few little pieces when it is new.  (big enough to clog a N20 gas jet...  :| don't a$k how I know)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 09, 2010, 03:56:10 PM
Good advice Stainless,thanks,and no I won't ask.Why did you guys put foam in? same reason, cavitation?

And no Tiny I didn't mean racing methanol

22 days to go :roll:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Nexxussian on February 09, 2010, 06:32:42 PM
Doc, I had to order pushrods for an engine, I used an adjustable "checking" pushrod to determine length (it had a piece of all thread in one section and a nut welded to the other, with a jam nut).

Is it that you don't have time for different pushrods to get there, or you don't have time for someone to custom make them?

Good luck either way.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 09, 2010, 06:47:14 PM
We're pretty sure that we have the right length now, the problem was whether to machine the rocker pivots or get longer push-rods, we went with the longer rods.......
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 10, 2010, 10:01:23 PM
Just went and saw the Colonel and delivered another sump and oil pickup for the motor build....the sump on the motor being built has a drain back spigot for the turbo oiler that was previously on the motor, the replacement he had had had( c'mon slim did you like that, 3 in a row!) a mod to the lower front section so the pickup would fit properly.....When I got there he told me that although there was no cam chain tensioner on the short when we got it, he knew where it was.... It was in the sump in it's constituent parts :roll:....the motor has revved hard...That said there was no apparent impact damage on the top of the pistons when we got it so even if th cam chain had let go it doesn't seem like anything too terrible happened, who knows............. :? :?

while I was in the workshop there was a crate there that contained a 180hp 1000cc V4 that was due to be exchanged in a warranty program from one of the large Italian manufacturers starting with A.. gee would it ever be a good powerplant for a liner.......
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on February 10, 2010, 10:33:28 PM
There was a sign writer painting the sign for the Coach and Horses pub. Apparently he spread the words too far apart for the owner who said to him, "There is too large a gap between Coach and and and and and and Horses."

 :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 11, 2010, 05:12:06 PM
There was a sign writer painting the sign for the Coach and Horses pub. Apparently he spread the words too far apart for the owner who said to him, "There is too large a gap between Coach and and and and and and Horses."

 :mrgreen:

That's too many ands , even to make light work....................




yeah I know. :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on February 11, 2010, 08:32:20 PM
while I was in the workshop there was a crate there that contained a 180hp 1000cc V4 that was due to be exchanged in a warranty program from one of the large Italian manufacturers starting with A.. gee would it ever be a good powerplant for a liner.......

They're a pretty small package. And complete with an ECU

I am just trying to work out how to get one
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 14, 2010, 10:08:40 PM
Went to the Colonels workshop and collected the new motor on Saturday, few last minute things to do, did a compression check that showed everything between 170 and 195psi , stuck it in the trailer ....moments earlier I'd thought after we topped the oil "I should ask him if he's tightened the sump plug"...what I should have done was checked the sump plug...as we slid it on the deck of the trailer it neatly undid the plug  :roll:....few kilos of kitty litter there. Took it to my place and bolted up the flywheel and clutch and then slotted it in so it was at least sitting on the mounts.

Didn't feel too well yesterday, sore throat, headache......started gargling a bit of iodine, had some codeine, woke up this morning and coughed up an alien life form....so I took the day off and finished the motor fit.....I'd rather be at home by myself than sitting at a desk with everyone looking at me like I was carrying live ordinance...

18 days.............
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on February 15, 2010, 10:15:03 AM
Unh, Dr. G, while it's known widely here on the Forum that you're in a foreign country whre the rules are far different from those of the U S of A -- what "medicines" you've mentioned are enough to get the website shut down, all of us investigated as potential drug-smuggling terrorists, and a slap from Grandma that thinks cod liver oil is enough for any ailments.

Iodine AND codeine?  Whoa -- must make for a fun trip. . .
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on February 15, 2010, 10:20:56 AM
you should have stuck with the leagal drug of choice idione and "Black Jack" :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 15, 2010, 03:54:38 PM
..the Iodine is "Betadine" antiseptic......to quote a certain movie it " tastes bad, real bad" and you really don't want to swallow it because it's no-good for the little bugs that keep everything in order , but when it comes to sore throats it's the job. The codeine is in Cold and Flu tablets....there's isn't a lot of it in there and there is a lot of paracetemol so for your livers sake you need to watch how many of those you have , sadly they don't have pseudoephedrine in them anymore.

The ad used to go "Soldier on with Codral , soldier on" ...true to their word you'd go from feeling like you had a gaping head and neck wound and semi consciousness to 100% , over the counter , non-prescription.

Got a bit done yesterday, just housework sort of stuff while I was fitting the motor up. Cleaning threads, changed a few bolts here and there, cleaned a few things up a bit. Had to drain the oil again so I opened up the hole in the sub floor a bit.Got the gearbox shift gantry sorted, moved the clutch line from where I'd tidied it to a spot a little further from the headers. Speaking of headers I cleaned them up and repainted them......it was only after I finished that I looked at the can and realised that although when I picked it up off the shelf in the shop it was in amongst the "flameproof" paints it was just "hi-temp"...so that'll cook off the first time we fire the motor :roll:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on February 15, 2010, 05:18:04 PM
Unh, Dr. G, while it's known widely here on the Forum that you're in a foreign country whre the rules are far different from those of the U S of A -- what "medicines" you've mentioned are enough to get the website shut down, all of us investigated as potential drug-smuggling terrorists, and a slap from Grandma that thinks cod liver oil is enough for any ailments.

Iodine AND codeine?  Whoa -- must make for a fun trip. . .

This coming from a country where adrenochrome is legal?

What happens in the desert stays in the desert, but since we have become active participants rather than mere spectators, all I can say is that Speedweek has a lot less fear and loathing these days...

I have some great footage of the Lady Hedgash cooking in our motorhome in slow motion. She invented a dish called "Gairgners" (pronounced Geggners)  which was canned apricot halves on jam on a small flapjack. Looked just like a raw egg yolk but very refreshing on the salt.

rH+


Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on February 15, 2010, 07:26:04 PM
Rev, sir -- I had to look up adrenochrome -- and I grew up in the '60s.  Ain't it great?  As DuPont used to advertise - "Better Living Through Chemistry".

So now I've heard of adrenochrome.  I've also heard of "geggners".  I don't care much for apricots, though, but the dried ones are nice for a road-food snack, especially when eaten with salted peanuts.  I make our own home made jam.

Okay, back to the regularly scheduled Forum topic.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank and Mojitos
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 15, 2010, 11:06:40 PM
What happens in the desert stays in the desert, but since we have become active participants rather than mere spectators, all I can say is that Speedweek has a lot less fear and loathing these days.

Yeah well, I didn't even have one bottle of Jamiesons there last year, let alone three, I did have some after dinner drinks but they were largely full when put back on top of the piano at The Spirit of Sunshine Workshops........I even took some beer home :?.....That is some measure of the difference between spectating and competing....As mentioned earlier in the thread there was the possibility that there would be no ice truck at this years meet, that , I have to tell you was not a pleasant prospect....Hard work on some members parts has resulted in a contract to drop a freezer container at the lake to the great relief of many as it is feared that this year will be a hot one....last week there were consecutive days of 110F...

This year I'll be throwing some white rum, fresh mint and brown sugar in the trolley at Pt Augusta and knocking up a few Mojitos just as the sun sets before heading up to the canteen for some grub.............

IBA specified ingredients

† 4.0 cl White Rum
3.0 cl Fresh lime juice
3 sprigs of Mint
2 teaspoons Sugar
(http://bestof.longislandpress.com/li/wp-content/uploads/15.jpg)

17 days..........
 
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 16, 2010, 07:36:30 PM
Dr G said that with so many bolt heads on it that it looked, "You know...".
I said "...English?" referring to the tendency of UK engineers to use 18 bolts when 4 well placed ones would do, and he said, "No, it looks kinda gay".
Reverend H+

Well, I finally got it all zipped up last night.......

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/P2161221.jpg)

and as I suspected it does look a little "Macho Macho Man"....the more observant amongst you will note that the hose spigot on the NRV looks a little tall, yes , it is, I have ordered a right angle one .

After that I continued on messing around in the engine bay, tidied up a backing plate/bracket that we made for the idler pulley which had some sharp edges on it( only a matter of time before I gave myself a reason to go to hospital on that) and fitted the throttle bodies........., throttle linkage and some of the heat shields......we'll be starting it this weekend if things go as planned.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on February 16, 2010, 08:04:44 PM
While I'm a big fan of coining new euphemisms, this is clearly not English - it's not leaking.

Very impressive, this thrash.  Much success in - ohmygoodness 2 weeks?!?!? :-o

 :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on February 16, 2010, 08:40:30 PM
Didn't feel too well yesterday, sore throat, headache......started gargling a bit of iodine, had some codeine, woke up this morning and coughed up an alien life form....so I took the day off and finished the motor fit.....I'd rather be at home by myself than sitting at a desk with everyone looking at me like I was carrying live ordinance...

Thanks, am at work with the same thing  :?
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 21, 2010, 05:38:26 AM
OK. Yesterday I put the fuel system together,that is the singular.....the truth is I put the fuel system together, completely, once....but I put it together to various states of completeness a lot of times.... There is very little room anywhere in our car and the area behind the rear bulkhead which contains the fuel tank, filter and pump is a madhouse.I methodically worked my way through every single wrong way to assemble it ( and even just now I thought to myself " oh, I should have , dah, dah ,dah ,dah ,dah.")before finally do it all in an order so that I could fit and tighten everything........it was a relief today when I filled the tank and it didn't leak anywhere......so by the end of yesterday I've got most of the muster done on getting to starting the motor today............We get into it this morning, the Rev is trying to nut out the megasquirt system he's built sorted out and the Colonel and I are out in the shed getting the final stuff done to start-up.

We fire the motor for the first time it splutters.....second kick it stumbles and the starter throws out, third time it fires and runs, but it stumbles off idle, though it was a bit off color the Colonel looked at me comically and said " is that louder than it was before?",  too right it was, much, much louder and with a sharper edge to the note..........The Colonel is a bit WFWAT after a birthday for his significant other yesterday, I've went to a fortieth, last night....The Colonel isn't looking like he's relishing an afternoon of gremlin chasing.....we stop for lunch, just for the exercise we swap the computer in the car to another stock one ( we ran with a stock ecu with a memcal chip last year), it ran fine..... so that was a relief, a bit of mix and match will sort out what's wrong with the chipped computer.

The Colonel also fitted some "idiot lights" to the switch bay in the cab, this stuff isn't really accessible when you're driving, it's six inches left of your head, we didn't have a light on the alternator, so it had no exciter working and the other one is an injector function so it's for startup.The dash, on the steering wheel, has changed slightly.....it's getting complicated , there's velcro for the GPS,a main switch toggle off/on(the starter button is just inside the front hoop where it's reachable from out side), a momentary button for the chute release, a 1x2 inch red light ...oil pressure.....I think that sums it all up

We put the water tank on and the tail bodywork,we had to do some fettling on the elbow fitting off the rollover/breather to clear the bodywork , the chute release is much improved , we're looking OK at this point and there's news of good salt ......
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: joea on February 21, 2010, 08:15:29 AM
very f'n cooool.......:):)

keep it up...!!!

Joe :)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on February 21, 2010, 10:26:21 AM
Do I hear the flutter of the " '10 Salt Race Butterflies"  stretching and drying their wings as they emerge from their cocoons.  Guys we can just feel the anticipation and the excitement!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on February 21, 2010, 02:25:06 PM
Excellent news! 

There was talk of putting this thing on the dyno.  I wasn't clear if you were going to use a chassis dyno, or if you were going to hook up to an engine dyno.  Clearly an engine dyno is out at this point.  Are you just going to go for it, or were you thinking a chassis dyno?

By the way, I went to the DLRA website.  Here's the text on volunteers for latrine duty, and the link -

http://www.dlra.org.au/task-toilets.html

Toilets
1. Description
 

2. Responsability
 

3. Tasks
3.1 Set Up
At the begining of Speedweek collect all eqipment from the storage containers at the DLRA camp.

3.2 During the event

3.3 Pack Up
At the conclusion of Speed Week all equipment is to be collected, packed away and returned to the storage containers at the DLRA camp

4. Equipment

5. Escalation
If there is an issue at any time that you are unable to resolve, the Pre-Stage offical reports directly to the Event Director.

Set 'em up, tear 'em down, and complain to the Pre-stage official if your out of toilet paper.  That's easy enough.   :-D

Wait a minute - is this a trap? :-o
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on February 21, 2010, 06:00:45 PM
Are you volunteering Crispy?

The Megasquirt. I took the time to build it when I was working in the Middle East as I was away from the Bellytank and it was one of the few contributions I could make during that time.

The problem with buying a complicated piece of equipment and getting to know all the ins and outs and assembling it a couple of years ago, is that my muddied brain has to try and remember everything I once knew back then.

The other problem is that it is all acronyms and similar ones at that tax my bad with names brain at the best of times.

Finally it is designed to be used on ANY engine and so the variables are endless and not being a engine management expert, navigating through what we need is a course of find the acronym, work out what it means, work out is that we need, move on to the next acronym.

But that in the end isn't what slew me on the weekend. I can handle step by step processes, I have the patience of a cricketer and the training of a stop motion animator, and I know with the right data we'll get there in the end.

What is currently the bar from progress is that it seems that there is an error in my wiring or a failure in a component of the thing as we are not getting the RPM readout we should from the device in test mode. Cripes!!!!

I cannot work out yet if it is the Megasquirt, or its testing device "the stim" that is malfunctioning. With only two weeks to go I had hoped we would spend tuning the unit, not only getting it attached and running.

The purpose for having this unit is two fold, firstly so we can maximise our power tand running smoothness. Secondly, and perhaps most importantly, we don't know what the existing computer will do when we go over its natural limits of rpm...

So I am going to research that latter question this week whilst trying to resolve our megasquirt issue. Fingers crossed that one will pay off.

dik
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 21, 2010, 06:43:49 PM

But that in the end isn't what slew me on the weekend. I can handle step by step processes, I have the patience of a cricketer and the training of a stop motion animator, and I know with the right data we'll get there in the end.
dik

he's not exagerating on the patience front......    and if yr gonna do this stuff ya need a bit of patience......


Set 'em up, tear 'em down, and complain to the Pre-stage official if your out of toilet paper.  That's easy enough.   :-D

Wait a minute - is this a trap? :-o
Yes , its a trap..........the whole sport is a trap..... "I'm just gonna take this little thing out there and see what she'll do, not get carried away or anything, just have a bit of fun "..........seven years, a few jobs, relationships, savings plans, a lot of metal......bravado, a few bytes..............I'm trapped...


Still , I'm not standing here yelling " GO BACK, IT"S A TRAP, NO!....GO BACK" am I?......... the sirens of the salt are calling and we're all swooning along.........Me?, jeez I read the news that the salt is as good as it's been in years and years and nearly ran a victory lap around the house...........

ha, ha ........man I'm excited.......  I did hear the other day that there's more than 150 entries.....
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 23, 2010, 09:17:27 PM
9 days to go ........

Not having the time to dyno the motor we are in a little bit of a spot...we are getting two versions of the ECU set up . we had a memcal chip in our computer last year, that has been sent to one tuner to have the rev-limiter lifted and we have sent another whole computer to a different tuner .

One was recommended to us by an engine builder and the other said he can do the memcal cheap........

So , all the specifics of the motor and the cam sheet have been sent off ....we'll see what we get ......

we've also found someone who has the Stim unit we can use to check whether our MegaSquirt is functioning properly...that's been posted to us ....so if we blow the motor up on the first pass we'll at least have heaps of gadgets to muck around with.........
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on February 23, 2010, 09:48:05 PM
Don't you try that blow the motor up on the first Pass with me BOZO!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on February 23, 2010, 09:55:47 PM
so if we blow the motor up on the first pass we'll at least have heaps of gadgets to muck around with.........

We will have more time to sit in our pits and drink
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on February 23, 2010, 09:58:16 PM
Ya know, Sparky, this engine's a clean sheet of paper.  Earlier they were debating as to whether or not to run the old one, and then SHAZAAM - whole new game plan.

I wish I had that kind of guts. :cheers: 
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on February 24, 2010, 12:21:00 AM
I wish I had that kind of guts. :cheers: 

Yep
although i am still looking forward to  :cheers: at the lake

G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 24, 2010, 12:26:52 AM
Ya know, Sparky, this engine's a clean sheet of paper.  Earlier they were debating as to whether or not to run the old one, and then SHAZAAM - whole new game plan.

I wish I had that kind of guts. :cheers:  

well I got tied to the rack about "how much time has been spent this year on that thing" .......finger nails got pulled off, couple of electric shocks and then some water-boarding but I didn't tell ALL of it .....

be afraid Rev, burn or shred all calenders..................................
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on February 24, 2010, 12:47:26 AM
Shuduppppp mannnnnn SWMBO frequents the board...

exney entionmey the ostcays.

rH+
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on February 24, 2010, 12:50:55 AM
I had a Literature professor in college who would hand out a sheet of paper with questions on it regarding assignments we were about to hand in.  It would let you get your excuses clearly laid out before he sunk your effort. 

The one constant question, and always the last one on the list, was, "If you had another 24 hours to prepare this paper, what would you do differently?"

By the end of the semester, that question was drilled into my head, and it had the effect on me of getting my assignments together faster, and more thoroughly.

Come the last paper of the semester, and the last question, I was able to confidently answer, "I already built in the extra time".  I got an A in that course.

I think you guys are on the same path. 

200+ it shall be.

If we don't chat before you take off, best of luck to the Spirit of Sunshine.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: wobblywalrus on February 24, 2010, 01:29:49 AM
Have you guys checked the bonehead simple stuff, like making sure all of the earth connections are proper and putting in a new battery?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on February 24, 2010, 03:24:37 AM
Our biggest problem at the moment looks like the road in to the lake
keep in mind that it is about 100 miles of dirt
G

http://www.transport.sa.gov.au/quicklinks/northern_roads/area3.asp



Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 24, 2010, 04:50:03 AM
Have you guys checked the bonehead simple stuff, like making sure all of the earth connections are proper and putting in a new battery?

We've done a full reassemble, battery is good and the alt makes 14v at idle, there is a stainless bolt welded to the frame as the earth and the rest of the loom has been refitted......apart from a few things the engine/trans section has been completely checked......just hoping we get the new ECU's by the weekend for a start up.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on February 24, 2010, 08:25:42 AM
Surely there's a stretch of deserted road that you could do a little test and tune.... it's a big country....

Don't over worry it, prepare the best you can and give it a go.  Remember to have fun, be safe and go fast.  :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 24, 2010, 05:18:17 PM
Our car is less than two inches off the deck, we have to put boards down to get it out of my shed and along the driveway, no shinola it's a nightmare to move it ANYWHERE other than on the salt, the only jacking point other than the axles is the rear radius rod boxes...I'd never take it out on dirt ....but we will get to run it on the test track.............

Last night I was reading back through some of our diary on the DLRA site and found some of the first discussions between us and Scotty who we got this bottom end from.....he used to turn it to 7000rpm when he ran it N/A on the quarter. we have a wet sump but we do have a crank-case vacuum system that pulls some pretty serious vacuum.....my only concern is whether we are gonna stuff the rocker covers full of oil and starve the bottom end.

Hey Bob I also noticed a post from nearly three years ago where you were encouraging us to do some back road testing :-D :-D....don't worry, I grew up in the bush and had my share of "paddock-bombs" and did my tyime doing "circle work"..........

Any suggestions on oil management that people have will be gladly accepted but at this point we are pretty muchon the delivery path and we ain't pullin' out now.

 :wink:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Kiwi Paul on February 25, 2010, 12:19:10 AM
Any room left to put a couple of drain back hoses from the Valve covers to the Oil Pan? All my old Smallblock Ford engines had those, they were notorious for filling the Covers up.....Don`t forget, leaky gaskets there = oil on exhaust...
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 25, 2010, 12:39:07 AM
Can't seem to find  a side on shot of the engine bay right now but there isn't much room at either end of the covers...and of course as you note it's not the kind of job that you do in a slap dash fashion ....oil+red hot headers = FIRE!........

I just had a discussion with the Castlemaine Rod shop about bellhousings for the brand new Alloytec quad-cam motor that we have and I am increasingly of the mind that we are never going to use it, there ain't enough adaptor parts available, the ECU situation is a nightmare and if we break it we could never afford to fix it...... that's on top of having to build all new ancillaries, scatter shield, inlet , exhaust,cooling system , change the cowl, no-one makes billet flywheels for them, they have a strange clutch ....... all that time and effort could be spent on the motors we have ...that are dirt cheap, simple, and have a proven performance history rather than potentially expensive stabs in the dark...........
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on February 25, 2010, 03:11:30 AM
Well
Get it on ebay
Its' taking up room in my shed that cold be used for old Hienkels
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Nexxussian on February 26, 2010, 03:22:54 PM
Doc, where does the vacuum pump draw from?

I've been tinkering with the idea of running at least a vacuum pump on the Pug we've got in the Berk (I'd prefer a main girdle W/ a dry sump but the $$$ aren't showing up  :-( ).

With it I was going to run the inlet of the pump to the crankcase and put a vacuum regulator on the cam cover vent (with a filter on the regulator inlet to try and keep the salt ingestion to a minimum).

It's not as good as a dry sump scavenge stage, but should help, as there wouldn't be any partial flow going against the drainback flow path. Pulses maybe, but the thought I have is a small positive pressure on the top end (relative to the crankcase) should "encourage" the flow (aerate it some as well, unfortunately).

Just a thought, without knowing how yours is plumbed I have no idea how applicable it may be.

That and the Pug has a fitting in the block that appears to be baffled for some emissions vent (it's where I was going to plumb the pump in). I would run the discharge from the pump to a fairly large separator tank with a restricted drainback fitting run back to the sump (say maybe a #40 ~ 2.5mm restriction).

Probably no time left for you to build any of it though. :-(


Good luck.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 26, 2010, 04:40:45 PM
here's some posts from a couple years back ...describing how I made a vacu-pan from a anti-pollution air injection set-up.....

Nov 20 2007Well , I had an inkling that lower than atmospheric pressure in the crankcase would help , and I spent some time talking to someone who's had success with these motors before , he was very helpful and that was his suggestion ,and ,true to my suspicions ,he had a solution that was more grocery store than jewellery store....that's what we like...

So ,off I went to a wrecking yard...where I scavenged a reed valve and some stainless tubing from an air-pump/injection anti pollution set-up from a 323/Laser ...these are not what you would call hotly sought after items ......a quick look at a system built for a Clevo and a coldie courtesy of the owner and all I had to do was tell some stories......listen to some told by another weird pest/home creator type like myself and I was on my way......Everytime I go to Bill's yard I wish i'd taken my camera because I always see little bits and pieces , knuckles , pivots . STUFF that I can use to make what I've already built better... most of the stuff I'm talking about is scrap , rubbish that lies in the open ....sometimes , sometimes when I manage to get his imagination to fire ( it needs a bit of aerostart usually but it does work)..he 'll go on a hyperactive scramble around , under and over in an effort to show me the different examples of how something is done.....but on the really rare occasion I get to see inside the "inner sanctum" a freight container with his booty from swap meets....Methanol injection manifolds from the fifties , Ford GT stuff , blowers , Flathead performance gear(?)...usually a visit to this container is preceded by a warning accompanied by a waving index finger held above his shoulder as you are following him ..." this isn't for sale".......

Now this fella I mentioned who'd had experience with the V6's we're using also had some great advice about our harness and arm restraints.....all very useful and garnered from experience ...nothing to do with proving his importance just good helpful considered expert advice , it won't go unheeded.

Thanks Jack. wink

and then...

Dec 5 2007Today I got started on the home-style vacu-pan....welded a bung into one of the collectors....flared some stainless tube that was part of the booty that I collected and wended it( that's a word innit?) up through one of the few remaining spaces to where I'll put the valve on it....that tube is hard stuff..I had a go at it with my little tube bender and thought "nah , that's too useful to break on something I got for nothing".......so it got that old witches finger kind of look to it.......
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 27, 2010, 06:31:46 PM
We got everything buttoned up yesterday, fitted the fire extinguishers, did a last minute check on it all, fitted up the lower bodywork, the wheels pumped the tires, fitted another temp gauge and generally farted around tidying up the shed for the trailering up.Today we'll drop it off the stands and clear the driveway of EVERY small piece of steel, screws, and all other tire puncturing items. Yesterday we discussed ( not for the first time) getting some rough tires and wheels for rolling her around on...Then we just need to organize the tools and spares and get the camping gear sorted....by then it will be Friday and that's when we're going.

There's scattered showers in the area of Lake Gairdner but the forecast looks great and so we're quietly confident.

5 days..........
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on February 27, 2010, 07:13:26 PM
Curious as to the ECU issue.  Sounds like you've got it licked.

Five days early - you guys are on it! :lol:

Great success to you next week.  Be safe, have fun, go fast, and give the folks who keep the record book something to edit.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Rob on February 27, 2010, 07:24:26 PM
5 days 'til they leave, 8 'til race day...they've forgotten something for sure!

Was wondering about your ECU(s) myself Doc??

Cheers,
Rob
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 28, 2010, 04:29:47 AM
Curious as to the ECU issue.

They're gonna be guesses, all the info on the motor and cam, injectors etc got sent with them and we're just hoping we're somewhere in the ballpark.......We should have them back by Tuesday.The motor runs with a stock computer and there's overrides on the fuel pump ....but we don't know if it works because we forgot to throw it the last time I drove the car with the old motor and it was breaking down at 5200, as expected......a prior build of this new motor turned to 7000rpm running N/A over the quarter so we just hope the tune we get has enough fuel up the top end.......and as you know , we haven't dynoed it ...so, like I said it's a guess.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Rob on February 28, 2010, 11:11:10 PM
Doc,

Are you're taking a notebook and cable to edit at the salt I assume?

Cheers,
Rob
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 28, 2010, 11:27:26 PM
Our logging capability is still in doubt , if there's no logging...there'll be no fiddling......
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Freud on March 01, 2010, 12:31:17 AM
Don't transport it on your race tires.

FREUD
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Rob on March 01, 2010, 01:19:34 AM
Our logging capability is still in doubt , if there's no logging...there'll be no fiddling......
Makes sense to me, doubt RE on board hardware, on board software or PC software?

Enquiring minds and all that.

Rob
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 01, 2010, 05:07:07 AM
Don't transport it on your race tires.

FREUD

fERd, I have four old white wall cross plies......exactly the same size as the rears, ....but that means we've an extra two inches of clearance on the front which will really speed up getting it into the trailer.....

Our logging capability is still in doubt , if there's no logging...there'll be no fiddling......
Makes sense to me, doubt RE on board hardware, on board software or PC software?

Inquiring minds and all that.

Rob

I have no idea what you're talkin' about Rob.......do you mean Religious Education........ :?

 ...I got expelled from Sunday School
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Lynchy on March 01, 2010, 05:51:31 AM
Hey Doc

Are you aiming to be in PA Saturday night or on the lake? BTW - I take it that Scotty that the motor came from is Scott (BlownVN) from Street Machine?

Lynchy
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 01, 2010, 03:30:35 PM
hi Paul, we'll be salt-side Saturday night...haven't stayed in the gutter since the first time I went. We're stopping at Dirty Dave's in the Barossa on Friday night for red wine and red meat and then heading at off Sparrows fart for the lake( seven hours)........


And yes that's the Scotty we're talking about..........we'd been talking to him about it for a while, he was buzzed that we did 160 with a stock one and had sold all but the bottom end out of the VN , he didn't give it to us but we didn't haggle much over what he did want, nice bloke...he'll still retain some bragging rights.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Nexxussian on March 01, 2010, 04:29:10 PM
Doc, what are you fellahs doing for data acquisition?

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on March 01, 2010, 05:26:24 PM
Zero data aquisition this year as we are merely running a modified chip on the original computer from the Commodore.

Next year we will have the Megasquirt operating and that has data logging capability, but am unsure how much.

This year the logging will be in our memory.

I don't think Donald Campbell had data logging but he seemed to do ok...

rH+
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on March 01, 2010, 07:54:50 PM
Guys----we are wishing we could be there----maybe in the future  :cheers:  heres to Going realy fast and being safe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on March 01, 2010, 08:01:13 PM
Go real fast guys. Wayno  :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on March 01, 2010, 08:36:50 PM
FSB Mr Tracy!

rH+
(*FSB= Fast Safe Beautiful our credo)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on March 01, 2010, 09:06:43 PM
FSB Mr Tracy!

rH+
(*FSB= Fast Safe Beautiful our credo)

I thought it was "duck"
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on March 01, 2010, 10:04:08 PM
Have received in the mail our remapped chip from a chap in Tasmania*.

Looked for one on eBay, emailed a seller, turns out he could give a specific map, so I posted the memcal and he posted back all done the next day.

Bless the Internet. Dancing around at work now, getting excited.


Reverend Hedagsh


Interesting local fact # 1 : For those unaware of Australia's geography, Tasmania is the female pubic hair shape south of the main island; hence the expression for such a region here being called a "map of tassie".

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on March 01, 2010, 10:10:55 PM
Rev, it's just all falling into place. :-D

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on March 01, 2010, 10:34:07 PM
Well guys it seems everyone in the free world is behind your effort, while some are hoping for a good result, most of us here are expecting one.  You are going to love that 200 MPH feeling.
good luck with the weather, good skill with the car, your time is here
 :cheers:

Wear your lucky night shirt  :wink:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on March 01, 2010, 10:43:29 PM
I better wear more than that, we are sleeping in the one tent!!!

rH+
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 01, 2010, 10:47:31 PM
Wear your lucky night shirt  :wink:

As stage manager, script writer, barman and head of wardrobe I will be presenting the Speed Limit 1000 Boxcar shirts and the new Bonneville shirts to the Colonel and the Rev at the Lake, grotophaphic evidence to follow......

I think it's just a case of packing now, I ordered the last of the spares today...........

Thanks for all the good wishes, once again we don't take the support and help we've received from all here over the years lightly, we'll be thinking of you guys too and will report back at the first possible opportunity......
I better wear more than that, we are sleeping in the one tent!!!
rH+

and you know, that reminds me of a great old joke that really isn't appropriate to tell anywhere....but does include the line..."would you tell anyone?"
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: landsendlynda on March 01, 2010, 10:56:52 PM
Stay safe.  Go fast.  Stay upright...and may the Salt Gods shine on all of you!!

Good luck,
Lynda
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on March 01, 2010, 11:19:10 PM
5 days 'til they leave, 8 'til race day...they've forgotten something for sure!
I think it's just a case of packing now, I ordered the last of the spares today...........

We were wondering if you were going to remember the beer. :cheers:

Go get' em!
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 01, 2010, 11:47:08 PM
We were wondering if you were going to remember the beer. :cheers:

give me a BIT of credit........ :roll:........
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on March 02, 2010, 12:12:58 AM
We were wondering if you were going to remember the beer. :cheers:

give me a BIT of credit........ :roll:........

So you heard about last years effort then
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on March 02, 2010, 12:27:52 AM
Give me a lot of credit... I'm broke.

d
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 02, 2010, 12:31:38 AM
Give me a lot of credit... I'm broke.d

Hey Colonel!

we've got a servant!
(http://www.antlionpartyhire.com.au/images/waiter.gif)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on March 02, 2010, 08:51:50 AM
Hey, get back to work on the car...  :-o  we need to see production

How about a picture of the car on the trailer ready to go  :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: PJQ on March 02, 2010, 08:18:28 PM
Trailer delivery show tonight, one night only!

It’s a cringe scene from an old Seinfeld episode getting the big box squished between Docs brick gate posts and down the drive. He lives on a busy road so we block traffic for ages during two dozen reversing attempts (box trailer width 2.5 metres, leaning gate post gap 2.6 metres)…

- the Rev yelling “…not that Left the other one.”
- Goggs yelling “shut the F@#k up, I can’t hear Pete”
- Some bloke in a hot Commadore squeals tyres, leans on air horns, yells “Bunch of F@#kin Wankers”
- PJQ jack-knifes truck for the third time, yelling “I can’t F@#kin’ see the fence”
- Neighbour kids gethered for the show think it’s hilarious.

Oi-vey, here we go again.
 :-P
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on March 02, 2010, 09:41:09 PM

Hey Colonel!

we've got a servant!


Savant?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on March 02, 2010, 11:05:30 PM
I'm a very good driver.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on March 04, 2010, 02:22:41 AM
Do you think you can buy a 3.2a/15 race
suit in Melbourne on a Thursday
 
If it wasn't for the last minute............. :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Rob on March 04, 2010, 03:38:46 AM
Grumm,

How tall and how heavy are you?

Cheers,
Rob
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 04, 2010, 06:30:19 AM
The trailer is loaded, the car tied down. I have the trailer with parts, tools and camping gear packed....it's been a long day. I think I gave the neighbors a fright give it a bit of a rev in the drive, it sounds mad........We leave early tomorrow for the two day trip,eight hours a day.

I might have access tomorrow night, otherwise it's ten days from now.adios :wink:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: 4-barrel Mike on March 04, 2010, 09:21:55 AM
Vios con dios!   8-)

Mike
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: ol38y on March 04, 2010, 10:44:20 AM
Looking forward to hearing big numbers from use guys...

Good Luck... :cheers:

Larry
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Glen on March 04, 2010, 11:59:08 AM
A great event with fast times for our down under friends. Be waiting to hear the results. Go fast and be safe.
 :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: landsendlynda on March 04, 2010, 12:39:36 PM
Good luck to everyone.  Stay safe on your journey.  Can't wait for you to come back with a fantastic meet under your belts and records all over the place!!

Stay safe, Go fast, Stay upright!

Lynda
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on March 12, 2010, 02:32:22 AM
Reverend Hedgash reporting on the road with Grumms iPod doohickey. Heavy rain on Sunday filled the lake and we weren't able to get started until Tuesday afternoon. Weather good from then on. Lots of cars going over 200 mph but poor old Norm Hardinge had troubles again with his engine. Worse still his one good run the timing light didn't work and he thought he had the right revs for 200 so he will have to do it when he goes back to Bonneville this year.

Our story is both Goggles and I had ordinary first runs getting back into the drivers seat, with mine particularly bad upset by going into the wrong gear (!)

We had a few issues that Grumm sorted out and at the end of the day our best run was 193mph which was as fast as it would go before blowing a seagull report when we get back. 

Rh+
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on March 12, 2010, 08:24:38 AM
We just heard that Brett De Stoop on bike 509 running APS/F 1000
with a motor he cast at home ran 231 last run on Friday
in perfect conditions
G
:cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: bvillercr on March 12, 2010, 09:27:25 AM
That's great, but I was hoping to hear what the belly tank did?  This is their build site. :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: wolcottjl on March 12, 2010, 09:53:27 AM
That's great, but I was hoping to hear what the belly tank did?  This is their build site. :cheers:

From previous page  --  :cheers:

Reverend Hedgash reporting on the road with Grumms iPod doohickey. Heavy rain on Sunday filled the lake and we weren't able to get started until Tuesday afternoon. Weather good from then on. Lots of cars going over 200 mph but poor old Norm Hardinge had troubles again with his engine. Worse still his one good run the timing light didn't work and he thought he had the right revs for 200 so he will have to do it when he goes back to Bonneville this year.

Our story is both Goggles and I had ordinary first runs getting back into the drivers seat, with mine particularly bad upset by going into the wrong gear (!)

We had a few issues that Grumm sorted out and at the end of the day our best run was 193mph which was as fast as it would go before blowing a seagull report when we get back. 
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: bvillercr on March 12, 2010, 10:00:56 AM
See what happens on a new page, you miss the last post.  Thanks for the update. :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: don on March 12, 2010, 10:12:47 AM
I read this whole thread starting last week, that killed a few hours! great story and 193 is nothing to sneeze at.
But could some please translate for me what the H is "before blowing a seagull report"    :-o
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: hitz on March 12, 2010, 12:01:25 PM
I hope "blowing" in the last sentence is not a key word!

harv
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 12, 2010, 03:34:28 PM
Hi All, we're still on the road, we stayed at my brother's place two hours from home.....we'd driven 13 hours non-stop from the lake and it was late so...I'll give a comprehensive update when I get home........The Reverend used his phone to send that last message of his and I guess it was using predictive text.....seagull is probably what the phone thought he meant, it was a SEAL....hey it's all sea-life innit?......

I ran 192 plus on Wednesday and then 193 on Thursday, I noticed a little oil on the cowl after the 193 and when we opened her up it was from the front seal....both runs the car pulled strongly until 195( same GPS top speed each run, I just middle it on the clocks better the second day I think) where it went away.We still have a stock valve train in the motor so whether it's the lifters pumping up or positive crank case pressure we ain't sure but we didn't hurt it so that was good news, we elected not to run it again.Jack, if you're reading this I want to have a chat about a few things..... :wink:

Brettie's 231 is a monstrous achievement on a 1000cc Waterbottle that he cast himself, at home, and then tuned....on the dyno he built at home to put in the frame and bodywork he built himself.......at home......

There were quite a few people who finally got 200 this year....three cars in C/Pro thumped it.

In all we're very happy....but we're also filthy, burnt and very very tired...........

I'll tell you more later :wink:


BTW: Bob, you got your photo's.....and you're gonna love 'em. :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on March 12, 2010, 03:48:47 PM
Ah, the wonderful letdown of an event being done.  You're bushed but happy, and looking forward to sleeping in your own bed, right?

Sounds like you had a fine time.  Congratulations -- on not hurting the motor (well, you'll find out for sure, but at least it's not obvious) and a bunch of good runs.

Welcome back to the world.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: don on March 12, 2010, 04:03:39 PM
OK Than easier to blow a seal then a seagull!  :-D
Take that as you will!
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stan Back on March 12, 2010, 05:12:22 PM
Are you a Navy man?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on March 12, 2010, 06:29:26 PM
193 - that's a 30 mph increase over last year - well done!  No fuel cavitation, no data logging - for a dial-it-in-and-go effort on the engine management, and a new engine, that's GREAT!

Knocking on the door of 200 with a combination that should be easy to tweak now that you have a baseline - 2011 looks very promising.

Congratulations, Sunshine! :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: don on March 12, 2010, 08:55:32 PM
Are you a Navy man?

Nope. Just found that amusing even though I messed up what I was trying to say.
As I said I went through the whole thread this week. While reading it there where some things said that I had no idea what they meant. Had me scratching my head sometimes. The lanuauge maybe the same but it is different.
When I read blowing a seagull I was trying to figure out what that meant. Did they get light at speed and it tried to fly like a sealgull? Or was it something us, I did not even think about the computer and the auto complete of words. blowing a seal I understand.

But what I really want to know is if they are still talking off in 2nd gear?
What RPM where they running at 195 mph. If they did not change the gearing that things should have a lot more in it. But of course that depends what RPM that V6 has the most torque.
Really enjoyed this build thread, but they most likely need a break after a week on the salt.
I am looking forward to their story.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Rex Schimmer on March 12, 2010, 11:06:10 PM
Don,
Quick note, torque does not make you go fast, horsepower does. Toque is a measurement of force, horsepowe is a measurement energy (or work if you will) i.e. force x time which is what mekes you go fast.

Rex
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 12, 2010, 11:31:33 PM
But what I really want to know is if they are still talking off in 2nd gear?
What RPM where they running at 195 mph. If they did not change the gearing that things should have a lot more in it. But of course that depends what RPM that V6 has the most torque.

yup, still launching in second.... we're gonna put in a new new rear end this year, we have signed up to the Church of the Apostles of the seven and a half inch 10 bolt under the Prophet Bill Smith....with the current motor I reckon she'll pull a 2.4:1

Last year we ran 5200rpm for 161mph , 193 is 6250 or so.The cam should still be making power up to 7000 and a bit beyond ....... it just went away at that point though...I was getting about 12mph a mile, so it wasn't like I was having to pedal it...it was adequate,it will def do 200.


Now, be patient, I will write the whole thing up but I have a gig tomorrow.....and a thirst today after unpacking ... :wink:

just as a taster here's one of the Rev at the start...our Odyssey type gel battery carked it so the Colonel put an antenna base on the side of the car as a hot point so we could jump it at the line without having to take the cowl off...

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/P3111241.jpg)

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on March 13, 2010, 12:01:52 AM
Doc, Rev and Grumm, what an odyssey (forgive the battery word play) for you guys this year.  A 30 MPH increase is nothing to sneeze at, that is huge and we all wish we could add 30 to our number.  I know you would like to do 200, and I'll bet you'll be there next year.  Can't wait to see pics and read the story. 
Great pic to start us drooling   :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on March 13, 2010, 01:03:35 AM
Damm that is one good looking RIDE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: wobblywalrus on March 13, 2010, 02:25:01 AM
The first runs with all of those new parts are development runs.  You did very good.  193 is not a slow speed in a belly tank by any means.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Rob on March 13, 2010, 02:57:55 AM
Who is this man and why is he wearing a bitter sweet grin?

What IS that black spot under the car?  :|

Well done Doc and Reverend, you guys did good. Even Al Fountain's tank busted a $20 part to end his week early and you both upped your personal bests.

(http://i661.photobucket.com/albums/uu331/Dwizdofoz/Speed%20Week%202010/DSCF5654.jpg)

Cheers,
Rob
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Rob on March 13, 2010, 03:14:28 AM
Now this was pretty darn funy stuff. This is the pre-race wheel alignment. The good Doctor is on the spanners (wrenches for the unwashed) whilst the Reverend sat in his chair giving direction. When I rocked up I thought he was asleep or meditating.

Doc would make an adjustment, the Reverend would pass technical comment.."It's still pointing in" and then Doc would walk out and have a look for himself. When they compared sides the Reverence would stand holding his chair, shuffle to the left, sit and peer at the front wheel. (Yes it was chilly, hence the jacket). Maybe you had to be there but it still gives me a chuckle. Well done fellas, I had fun visiting.

(http://i661.photobucket.com/albums/uu331/Dwizdofoz/Speed%20Week%202010/DSCF5555.jpg)

Wheel alignment requires special tools and these can be hard to find on a salt lake 2 hours down a dirt track.

(http://i661.photobucket.com/albums/uu331/Dwizdofoz/Speed%20Week%202010/DSCF5552.jpg)

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: penny on March 13, 2010, 04:11:11 AM
I took 3 salt newbies for a ride down to the seven mile and they were well impressed when the first car was  doc and he went  past at 193 and then came and parked alongside to await the tow vehicle. then a monaro ( an australian version of a camaro) went past at 215 and came back up the return road at 5000 rpm.a welcome to the salt for them.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Lynchy on March 13, 2010, 06:04:03 AM
We were down 3 miles (close to Alcatraz Island) at the GPS track looking for a D shackle when John Lynch was due to come past. So we stopped and all four of us were standing on the roof of Chris Hanlon's wagon as he came down the track in his lakester and passed us (at a good distance) at his 5/6 mile at 258 mph and then popped his chutes. It was a great and rare sight at relatively close proximity.

Better luck next year guys and as usual it is a pleasure to catch up with you and all your posse. Big Gaz and I look forward to seeing you all again next year!

Lynchy
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 13, 2010, 07:11:25 AM
Now this was pretty darn funy stuff. This is the pre-race wheel alignment. The good Doctor is on the spanners (wrenches for the unwashed) whilst the Reverend sat in his chair giving direction.

Yeah thanks for the "upskirt shots" Rob, thing is the steering box on the car isn't indexed and we hadn't done a wheel alignment after the last time it was removed.It will be going for an alignment and then the mount for the steering box will be indexed so it can be removed without upsetting the whole dox and bice...........

Rob hasn't done us the courtesy of showing the fine end of the op or maybe he wasn't interested, but it did involve a little more fine adjustment than it appears here....

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 13, 2010, 04:31:44 PM
We were down 3 miles (close to Alcatraz Island) at the GPS track looking for a D shackle when John Lynch was due to come past. So we stopped and all four of us were standing on the roof of Chris Hanlon's wagon as he came down the track in his lakester and passed us (at a good distance) at his 5/6 mile at 258 mph and then popped his chutes. It was a great and rare sight at relatively close proximity.

Better luck next year guys and as usual it is a pleasure to catch up with you and all your posse. Big Gaz and I look forward to seeing you all again next year!

Lynchy


Like wise Lynchy, .....for those reading Gaz and Lynchy are building the XJS Jag that you may have seen early shots of....both work hard on the volunteer side all week and Gaz scrutineered our car this year, he didn't pick anything I disagreed with and always has useful practical suggestions.

Thanks for your efforts guys, we too look forward to seeing you again next year, same goes for you Penny, good effort organizing the ice  :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Rob on March 13, 2010, 07:48:48 PM
Rob hasn't done us the courtesy of showing the fine end of the op or maybe he wasn't interested, but it did involve a little more fine adjustment than it appears here....
Smile Doc,

I left before you were done remember. All in jest, if I'd thought it was unsafe I'd have said so right then and there.

Cheers,
Rob
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Nexxussian on March 13, 2010, 11:23:04 PM
Congrats, sounds neat (especially the improvement part  :-D ).

Now if you would, eat, drink and sleep (repeat as required) and then 'splain about the 7 1/2" (ie which one and what are the believed benefits, please)?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Lynchy on March 14, 2010, 06:12:38 AM
Thanks Doc and a warning to all who subscribe to landracing.com that Big Gaz and I will be visiting Bonneville this August in the company of Andy Jenkins (one of the DLRA founders and member #2) and his mate Bill. Also coming along will be Al Fountain and his crew to take ownership of their new car.

We look forward to meeting some of you and any Jag racers that attend. We've set a target of taking the Jag to the next DLRA Speed Week so I will also make the effort of updating our build page here. We drove for the last two days discussing the project and all that has to be done and it is achievable with some focus. It will still run it's first year with the blown Ford motor with a twin turbo V12 to follow.... That's the plan anyway.

See you all in August!

Lynchy
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on March 14, 2010, 12:07:21 PM
Oh, no -- do you realise what you're letting yourselves in for by visiting SpeedWeek in Wendover?  First of all -- you'll spend way too much time saying howdy to all of the racers that you've come to know on the internet.  And you'll be required to attend Salt Talks (Sunday evening, after 5.30PM or so, at the Bend in the Road) -- where you'll see even more racers. 

Speaking of Salt Talks -- send me your full names (knicknames OK) and your hometown or racing affiliations so I can have engraved name tags awaiting you.  I'm making them this year -- Nancy and I bought a laser engraving business recently.  I'll be selling them, as a fundraiser for the website, for $5 each -- but I'll be glad to donate them to you folks from a distant land.  We want you to feel as welcome as possible, and anyway -- your faces aren't all that familiar to us up here and the nametags will make it easier for us to remember you.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Lynchy on March 14, 2010, 08:36:58 PM
Jon

I've sent you a PM with the list of suspect characters that will be coming along. I'll have to make up some nicknames for Andy and his mate Bill.....

I'll restart dialog on the Jag build page and will keep it up to date during the year. This build site is pretty crowded and don't want to change the threads direction (I know it would not be a first though).

Maybe Dr G and the Rev will come over as well one day? I think their budget for the next year will be all spent chasing the extra 7mph!

Lynchy
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 14, 2010, 08:47:50 PM
Ok, this is the wrap.

We left Sunshine at about 10am on Friday the 5th, the Rev and Colonel arriving together before PJQ and Frank who were in the Land Cruiser( the "Troopy") which tows the tank in Pete's(PJQ) trailer, Pete had had a little drama in peak hour traffic with fuel system and had had to bleed it on the side of the road. I'd trailered the car the night before and finally finished the sorting and packing of spares and tools ....but as always there were things that I wish I'd done as well.

It's a left turn at the end of my street and then 450miles before we leave the Western Highway at Murray Bridge. The Troopy pulls fifty to fifty-five so the two station wagons went ahead. The train spotters will be interested to hear that my 3.8V6 with an older style fogger LPG system and a canvas top trailer got exactly the same fuel economy as the Colonel's 5.7V8 with an injected LPG system pulling a slightly bigger slope front trailer.... and I mean exactly the same, er, except when it used more..........it might be down to driving style :roll:...

So we turn off at Murray Bridge and head toward the Barossa Valley one of Australia's premier wine districts where we were going to stay with our mate Dirty Dave , plumber and bike nut. Dave and Christine turn on a feed with the best t-bone steak I have had in a very long time....also there for the night was Brett de Stoop with his 1000cc waterbottle in tow and his mate and early DLRA member Nigel Begg who was one of the founders of Deus ex Machina the Sydney custom bike business .

We head off the next morning after an early night , we miss the highly recommended organic farmers market and stop in Nooriootpa for fuel and the Reverend asks" where is the aeroplane museum?"......it's a few miles out of town. We find the place and get out of the cars for our first meeting with WH700 the Canberra bomber that our "bellytank" came from...the plane has two tanks on and we are still unsure as to why the one we have was separated from her but the build plate indicates it was one of the originals manufactured for the plane.We take some "family snaps" and get back out on the road for the four hours to Port Augusta.

In the "Gutta" we shop for food and buy a few things we've forgotten, then we go to the bottle shop :-o From the Gutta to the Lake is 130 miles, the first thirty five are sealed then it's onto the dirt....Saturday afternoon is generally busy and so it was , after passing a bunch of buses and slower moving tows we settle in behind Gnome Racing's Torana being towed behind a turbo diesel and they were hammering ,we made it to the Lake in under two hours and the road was generally good, dust was severe but the corrugations weren't as bad as they have been.

I drive straight out onto the Lake to claim a pit , laying out a tarp and dropping most of the tools and stuff off , a very very strong southerly wind is blowing. I head back up to the lakeside camp and we set up the "Casa del Canvas". Pete and Frank arrive with the Troopy and we send them down to the Lake to drop the trailer, Pete looked real tired , we owe him the world for towing our car these last two years, Pete decides to camp down the end of the campground with a view of the lake while we for some reason are in the boonies, our site at least was flat. We've barely eaten but after the massive meal we'd had the night before it wasn't surprising...we fixed a couple of gin and tonics, it started to spit.

It was a cold , blowey, and yes ....wet night....estimates of between a half and an inch of rain ....exactly what had happened last year, the sun rose with doom and gloom on the UHF, the Lake, was closed. At least this year we had the car in the pits. We walked down to the Lake and out to the pits which thankfully were a good mile and a half closer to the shore than usual, the stream which runs around the southern shoreline was flowing fairly quickly to the east but there was between one and two inches of depth and it was at least a quarter mile wide. When we got out to the pits we found there was a quarter of an inch covering the whole area, visibly flowing south east toward the shore and the stream, it was miserable. We opened up the trailer and got the car out and started getting organised.........the wind was blowing , the air was warm and the sun was starting to peak out, this was going to get better, the salt was rock hard, it might have had a covering of water but it was like concrete. There were already quite a few spectators walking out to the pits and taking photos and asking questions....we need to build a little box with a button and speaker because my jaw got sore telling people about the car, I reckon i told fifty separate people what we'd done to the motor in about an hour, always ending with " I'd better get on with it". We buttoned the car up , made everything weather tight and headed to the canteen.....we were in the middle of nowhere, out of contact with a bit of time on our hands and there on the hill was a little shack that sold food and beer......it was time to let our hair down a bit...truth is we were stuffed, I think we hit the wall at about 10pm and bedded down.

Monday morning was a better deal again, the air was dry, the clouds were gone .....we walked out to the pits and the surface layer of water was gone, the stream was only half as wide, this was going to happen. We set up the shade and the annex on the trailer and did all the fit up in the cart, the seat, computer and harness, did the "wheel alignment" mentioned above , polished the screen and got the car ready for scrutineering....there were mixed message about when this would happen so the last thing we did before walking off the lake was to push the tank into the line for tech, we were number four.

I got up at 6am and went for a shower, they are cold , and it was....I yipped as the water hit me...there was an old bloke laughing in one of the cans.." you're a braver man than me Gunga Din" I got on the push-bike and rode down to the pits, yep they were gonna start scrut'. I got the suit , helmet and log-book and unbuttoned the necessaries on the car. The Rev arrived just as Gaz finished . He picked us on a few things. We don't have a master kill on the extinguisher system to take out the hot side of the battery, he wanted more drainage holes in the bodywork, he picked a few bits of wiring that could be better protected , they will all be rectified for next year.

I left the tank sitting near tech until Rod Hadfield came over and asked me" how long are you gonna leave that there for James?"......I was pretty keen on being right on the spot when they opened marshalling.....we pushed her back to the pit about a quarter of a mile away and then hung around trying to work out how to swing it. The drivers' meeting was confirmed for 3pm, to be followed by the track drive....before the drivers meeting we rolled the car back near tech, the moment it finished we pushed to the marshalling point, we were fourth in line.....we went on the track drive with Simon Davidson photographer from Street Machine , he's a great bloke even if he is from Sydney and drives a Ford.

We get back from the track drive and it's all systems go. Its four o'clock as I drive straight into the crunchies from marshalling and everyone else drives around me...just like last year..this is the first proper drive I've had with the new motor...we elected to steer clear off the test track as it looked even rougher than last year, and I couldn't see then so we skipped it. The graded areas were rougher than last year we think because the salt was so much harder, another factor was that rather than using the club's old Dodge truck much of the work was done by tractors and some believe that the towing speed may have been too high giving a less satisfactory result.

So, here I am at the start line area for the second year. Last year the car ran 160 odd and felt like it was on hotmix and required almost zero steering input, we had a new motor ...I was itching to go. There was a succession of minor hitches with the clocks, then the first guy off the line was an altered 125, who stated he would be running a record, well, he ran the long track and they couldn't find him.......Speedweek 2010 was on.

I sat suited and belted in the car for nearly an hour, I'd had a small bowl of cereal and nowhere near enough to drink since dawn....I was feeling impatient....it turned out we were to run eighth.

With a rolling push from a few guys I took off and the car felt strong, but I hadn't got my posi right ...the change to the seat base meant I was sitting lower....I shifted into third and was getting hammered while struggling to get a good view AND keep my helmet off the cage. The track felt rough and the cross wind was strong.

The start line had been moved because of the wet to where it was only about 1 and a quarter mile to the quarter trap. The two mile mark was coming at me when I checked the GPS, this was a 175mph license and 'chute pass , I was pulling 138....at that moment I hit a patch of track that threw the car and caused me to back off momentarily, I got back into it and was immediately hit by a gust that pushed me from close to the right side of the track to hard on the left, once again I backed off , when I stepped on it the rear end broke loose causing me to back off....as I hit the first clock I glance down to see I was doing 155, I left the quarter at 165 and pulled the 'chute. It hit hard and as a consequence I clutched and hit the throttle at the same time giving her an over rev. I pulled off at the four mile worried that I hadn't made the cut.....I stopped about a mile off the track and waited for the Troopy.....the return roads were rough and the cones were scarce making it difficult to drive back unaccompanied and also for the first time there was a second track and I didn't want to risk the possibility of getting lost near the end of it. I followed the Troopy back going over the run in  my head....while I was driving I kept hearing what I thought was a clatter from the motor, and then I began to notice that she was feeling unresponsive, nothing  at part throttle and then blast off, it made it a real handful. We took it straight back to marshalling, I rolled the last few hundred yards, the Colonel was there...." how did it go?"...."there's something wrong" I said, "it doesn't feel right, i may have hurt it"......we fire her up and it's running on five, there is a clatter, after about ten seconds the Colonel kills it with a wry grin on his face and points at the left rocker cover and says "yep, there's something wrong, there, I can see a push-rod hitting the cover"............They announce that marshalling in closing so our number is taken and we roll back to the pit. On the way the Colonel says to me...." so, you've got that spare rocker gear with you?"....truth was when I elected not to bring the spare bottom end  and a spare head the parts that I had with them were left behind too.

We waited with baited breath as the first cover came off. There was the rocker sitting there , a tiny bit of swarf but nothing else...the bolt had simply backed out.  Seems the Colonel had undertorqued them. We checked the push-rod for true and did it all up again, then the other side. What a relief that was.

We hit the canteen , when people asked I confessed that I was disappointed, that I had been in a bad frame of mind, that I was impatient and that I had a bit of brain fade for the first fifteen seconds of my run. We had a great feed of roast chicken( no JN ,much better than it used to be) knocked over a few beers and had another early night, a camp near us kicked on til really late but we were in race mode.

As we were going to sleep the Rev said ....." fourth gear is forward right?", .."yeah, fourth is forward".........Come Wednesday morning we were up at sparrows and down to the lake .In the pit we checked the basics and rolled her up to marshalling. As usual the Rev was everywhere but hanging around the car , I got him belted in, with the general adjustment of the harness better than  we'd had it the day before with the catch centered better for the slightly lower seating posi. I stressed to him that he needed to "get into it early"....I didn't listen as he left the line, I raced back to take the Troopy......due to a change of arrangement at the last minute there was no way to avoid driving through the pits on the way to the return road...When we got down there the Colonel was waiting , " I think he broke it, he only pulled a hundred" ....we found him at the end of the GPS track, lost on the crunchies....he was very dull..." i put it in fourth, by the time I realised what I'd done it was too late so I got out of it and rolled through" he was shattered , I felt his pain.....we'd both driven three shades of shithouse and our pretty little car with it's new motor wasn't looking so great....... We went straight back to marshalling

As I sat at the start-line area I thought hard about what had gone wrong on my first run and what I had to do to. I had just scraped in on my 175 license so at least I could use the long track now....The seat felt better and I moved my head around trying to find a sweet spot off the roll bar padding and the head rest, most importantly I decided that I had to concentrate on staying in it, that I had to steer out of any wind effect and NOT back off, the peakier motor and no suspension mean that squirting the throttle means wheelspin and an unsettled ride.

I left the line and was on it from the get go, the car pulled very strongly  and I made the gear changes cleanly.....this time I was over 170 when I left the quarter and the car was pulling well with the speed increasing evenly. I passed the five mile and the GPS read 193, then 195 then 193 then 189...I had my foot in it still so I took this as a sign to get out........... I made it a mile or so off the track before missing a cone and going crunchy...I stopped and got out....the GPS read "top speed 195mph"...I was soup...exhilarated and exhausted ,I felt like yelling......but why did the motor go away , there was no noise, no oil light just a rather quick loss of power.

We thought about it. If it was windage and excess crank-case pressure we would have seen a rev-limit effect rather than the loss of power. We feel that the standard valve train is the cause as the hydraulic lifters will only handle 6250rpm for so long and then pump up holding the valves open. Other than that the ride was a little more "interesting" than it had been last year. Last year the track was really smooth and the car ran like it was on rails. This ride had a bit of wind in it and the track was much harsher. I fought the whole way down constantly steering back to the right in what felt like long carves with my foot on the floor……..

We whipped the cowl off and gave it all a look over when we got back to marshalling, it was AOK, it sounded good……we were fifteenth in line when they closed for the day.

The next morning the Rev told me he thought it would be better if I made another run for 200 rather than he repeating his ‘chute run , then he would go and if there was time have a crack at 200 himself. Anyone who shares a car will know that this was a fairly noble thing to do.

At the line for the third time I reasoned that I had to get going even quicker than I had the day before, to keep the ET down and see if the difference would get me over 200 before the lifters let us down…… I sat at the start and really concentrated, I paced a bit with my right hand going through the gear change routine……the night before the battery had given up, a motorcycle Odyssey type it was three years old, and dead….no-one had one with anywhere near the CCA we needed so the Colonel put an antenna base on the outside of the car as a hot contact so we could jump start her on the line without removing the cowl…… It all seemed to happen in a real hurry….one minute we were tooling about, next thing I jump in, we do the harness and then Cled waves us to the line, and signals me to go……. I nail it and aim for the right hand side of the track , the motor is wailing as I go into third at about 4 and a half, I change to fourth at about 5 grand and try to settle. The wind is strong and I feel like I’m crabbing….just as I hit the quarter trap my visor goes funny, like it was badly scratched, I think it may have been a bit of salt water from somewhere in the cab dripping into the air coming through the nose vent, whatever it was it meant I couldn’t see the GPS, or read the tacho…but I could see the track markers …..this was a pretty wild ride, I just kept my foot in it and steered her in long arcs fighting my way back to the right, in a straight line I had the steering quartered…I just figured I’d stay in it til the seven mile and so I did, I didn’t feel the power go down like I did before but to be honest I had a bit on my plate and some of the subtleties were lost amongst the noise , vibration and hairiness (NVH)………..Somewhere between the seven and eight I hit a rough bit of track and I think I got airborne, braked momentarily and got a little out of shape and then when I couldn’t see any cones I took the decision to pull off, then I saw the eight mile exit road, I lost track of that very soon after …the motor roll started once and then wouldn’t so I stopped…………I got out of the car and took my helmet off, the GPS read “top speed 195mph”….exactly the same as the day before, the clocks gave me an extra mile per hour, I reckon because I’d topped out a little earlier …..the Rescue crew took about a minute to reach me, they won’t tow or push so one of them helped me roll the car…I think he was a rugby player because he was as strong as an ox, we pushed the car about 400yards at which point I said “mate ,I’m going to die in a second”, then he ran back to the rescue vehicle and they called clear track….. I sat on the car , my adrenaline ebbing I realized we’d found the limit of the motor for this year…….it took about six minutes for the Troopy to catch up after various directions as to where to find me……….this time towing home I sat on top of the car with the canopy open….we had managed to keep the cab completely salt free but riding it like this meant the wind blew the flick up into the cab…but at least it was sort of bearable…..being towed over some of the return roads the day before had been excruciating……….. As I rode back sitting like a rodeo rider it occurred to me that I drove a shorter distance to work each morning.

As we pulled into marshalling again I noticed a drip of oil under the car and a smear of it coming from the front of the cowl, action stations…… We took of the cowl to find the front of the motor wet and the source seeming to be the front seal, where the oil pump is. The Colonel said ….” It’s all over, pack her up”

I felt awful for the Rev who’d handed me another drive at his expense and now we were packing up and he’d had one unsatisfactory run……

We’d put 32 mph on our best speed from last year, we hadn’t hurt the motor and we had plans for next year. It would have great to get to 200 but it was only our second year and lots of cars that had been knocking on the door got their 200 this year so it seems right that we wait…We met hundreds and hundreds of people, lots of them were fans of the car and had been following these build diaries, it is very touching some of the things people come up and say, we appreciate every bit of it .

The Reverend and I  worked our guts out for years building this thing but there are two people particularly that we need to point out have been instrumental. The Colonel makes it all work, keeps our feet on the ground and provides a necessary balance in the team between our personalities . Pete (PJQ) is our immaculate transport, he is there providing support and anticipates everything, we couldn’t do what we did without him and I’m never sure how to thank him.

We left first thing Friday and drove for thirteen hours, for thirteen hundred kilometers to my brothers house, we got home to Melbourne at 11am Saturday……yesterday I had a gig at a community festival ………..bring on 2011

 
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: landsendlynda on March 14, 2010, 10:06:56 PM
What a fantastic "End Tale" for an even more fantastic build!!  The hours of reading have been of unmeasurable interest!  But, I don't believe you've finished your story!  It sounds more like you are taking a break before starting your "next" book!!  So, kick back, grab some beer, relax, relive the moments, and then start the preparations for the next diary that won't be completed until this time next year!!  All of you have done a wonderful job and should feel proud of yourselves for all that you have accomplished!!

Congratulations again on a wonderful journey that took us all with you!!

Lynda
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on March 14, 2010, 10:09:08 PM
Doctor G., the only thing more exciting than the story itself is the elegant manner in which you tell it.  Bravo.

Rev, your selflessness is a model to us all.

Pete, Colonel - well done.

This is awe inspiring.

Sunshine rocks!
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Buickguy3 on March 14, 2010, 10:36:42 PM
Great Build, and a great story. Too bad it's only once a year. Probably all that anybody can afford. Look forward to seeing some of you at Speed Week in Wendover in August. Look for the black Jag with the old Buick straight 8 anchor in it. We'll be flogging it again this year. Looking forward to the "Salt Talks" , also. We'll tilt a couple of brews. :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on March 14, 2010, 11:56:04 PM
We visited the actual plane our tanks came from.

Can you believe that it is actually on the way, like really really on the way, as in you can see it from the road when you drive pretty much the fastest way from Melbourne to Lake G? I know this may not be significant coindence for many, but it just furthers that strange list we have for this project that somehow gives it an almost mystical tinge. (or is that minge?)

Yep, this is good old WH700 with its nose over the fence like a cow in a paddock. I think I'll pay tribute each year on the way from now on now that I know where it is and give its nose a rub.

(Also DrG tells me that the plane owner's cousin is in the DLRA. Now with a population of 20 million and a club membership now hitting a thousand, that is fairly long odds, even if his family are catholic. More co-inkydink?)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on March 14, 2010, 11:58:46 PM
Wet (again) windy and cold.
Its like standing on a coolgardie safe.

The first couple of nights in the tent were freezing and if it weren't for the alcohol and fatigue I would have not gotten any z's at all.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on March 15, 2010, 12:00:28 AM
Cold but pretty.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on March 15, 2010, 12:03:24 AM
They say Melbourne is four seasons in one day, but lake G is up there too.
Hey, there's a ghost!!! greetings from down under
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on March 15, 2010, 12:05:00 AM
Al Fountain bellytank $20 part fail ouch.

Very nice healey
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on March 15, 2010, 12:07:02 AM
Brett destoop, 231mph on a water bottle he cast himself in his backyard, in an oven he made, with bodywork he made, leathers he designed, and dynoed on a machine he built himself. Doesn't drive a bike during the week, rather a water truck. Crazy lovely fellow with balls of steel. 231mph? Insane.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on March 15, 2010, 12:08:35 AM
36hp contender, I belive they went 1 mph over the record? I hear that some US beetles are coming down here next year and the general consensus was that was a really good thing to have this mini event within the event.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on March 15, 2010, 12:09:58 AM
Unlucky Norm Hardinge, ran on target for his 200mph but timing lights failed and the motor hurt. Bonneville this year for sure!
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on March 15, 2010, 12:10:57 AM
Us in the pits.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on March 15, 2010, 12:15:52 AM
Pete (PJQ) doing his bit with the recovery services with the old troopy.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on March 15, 2010, 12:18:10 AM
Good to see this diesel beheamoth back in town. Reminds me of the Eagle Lander in Space 1999 but what wouldn't I give to give it a body redesign with aero and style in mind.... anyone heard of Blastolene? Well they could eat their lunch!
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on March 15, 2010, 12:20:27 AM
Somebody gave us some tee shirts... and here they are! We have our tame German photographer's photos to come but these are a sneak peak... thanks greatly for them. (The front wheels are our transport wheels...)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on March 15, 2010, 12:26:43 AM
These guys have bigger support vehicles than us, but then they have more paper methinks...
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on March 15, 2010, 12:28:07 AM
Rods.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on March 15, 2010, 12:29:45 AM
GMH Monaro finally bust through the 200mph mark, in fact around 212(?), well done, lovely looking thing too. This is a seminal Aussie muscle car and worth plenty on the street. I am really glad someone is using it for this event rather than mothballing it.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on March 15, 2010, 12:33:01 AM
Very nice healey
I was wondering if they were going to take a shot at Lake G.  Saw this car at WOS last September - in fact, it was what pushed me over the ledge to attend.  Beautifully prepared.  Any word on how fast they ran?  They were having supercharger issues at Bonneville.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 15, 2010, 12:44:47 AM
Somebody gave us some tee shirts... and here they are! We have our tame German photographer's photos to come but these are a sneak peak... thanks greatly for them.

That somebody( you blinkin' ingrate) would be Stainless ....... :-D :-D :-D and also thanks muchly to Sum as well for sending us the Bonneville 2009 shirts......
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 15, 2010, 12:45:51 AM
Very nice healey
I was wondering if they were going to take a shot at Lake G.  Saw this car at WOS last September - in fact, it was what pushed me over the ledge to attend.  Beautifully prepared.  Any word on how fast they ran?  They were having supercharger issues at Bonneville.

I heard 189....that's pretty quick for that thing
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: fredeuce on March 15, 2010, 02:59:26 AM
We visited the actual plane our tanks came from.

Can you believe that it is actually on the way, like really really on the way, as in you can see it from the road when you drive pretty much the fastest way from Melbourne to Lake G? I know this may not be significant coindence for many, but it just furthers that strange list we have for this project that somehow gives it an almost mystical tinge. (or is that minge?)

Yep, this is good old WH700 with its nose over the fence like a cow in a paddock. I think I'll pay tribute each year on the way from now on now that I know where it is and give its nose a rub.

(Also DrG tells me that the plane owner's cousin is in the DLRA. Now with a population of 20 million and a club membership now hitting a thousand, that is fairly long odds, even if his family are catholic. More co-inkydink?)


Rev ,
Goggles is quite right about the cousin. That happens to be my good self. Have been trekking to the lake since 1999. Drove my old green '32 "roaster"  out there in 2005 /2006. Thats me. I spoke briefly with Goggles at your table on Thursday night. You were sitting there with Dirty Dave and Chris among others. Turns out Chris is  neighbour of my brother. He spoke with her briefly. What's that expression about six degrees of separation? May need to revise that back to two or three.   Quite amazing.

As for that Catholic remark I don't think so . I've spotted condoms in the cupboard. My conscience is clear, no guilt here. :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 15, 2010, 08:14:01 AM
here's a pic of the car in marshalling taken by Greg Wapling who runs the club website and also handles time slips at the meet...

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y108/dlra2/2010/speedweek20100310-070.jpg)
you may notice the smashing pale blue leathers with the white stars...they belong to Brett de Sloop the new big name in 1000cc APSF he ran 232 and a bit on this , (another shot by Greg, ta mate)
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y108/dlra2/2010/speedweek20100310-066.jpg)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on March 15, 2010, 11:33:54 AM
[We feel that the standard valve train is the cause as the hydraulic lifters will only handle 6250rpm for so long and then pump up holding the valves open.]

Geez  it sounds like it might have kept making 190 + laps all dy---well done guys!!!!!!!!


I forget what tires and gears you are pulling now--you might get more out of solid Rollers than a gear change!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: High Gear on March 15, 2010, 01:07:46 PM
Fine effort guys. Please be sure to visit us at Speed Week. Spirits of the Lakes E/FMS #569.

If all goes well we are still planing on going back to your meet again in 2011.

Did Rod Hadfield run anything, I saw your picture of his transporter?

Congratulations on your runs.

Gary
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 15, 2010, 04:50:15 PM
No Gary I don't think Rod had a steer this year..... I didn't see him in a suit ....

Sparky, 28's , 2.77.....solids and roller rockers, and more crank-case evac... and , and, and....a 10 bolt when I get my act into gear
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: PJQ on March 15, 2010, 06:20:24 PM
Quote
Turns out Chris is  neighbour of my brother. He spoke with her briefly. What's that expression about six degrees of separation? May need to revise that back to two or three.   Quite amazing.

...we camped at Chris’ place on the way to the lake. Is your brother on the duck farm next door?

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: fredeuce on March 15, 2010, 06:48:38 PM
Quote
Turns out Chris is  neighbour of my brother. He spoke with her briefly. What's that expression about six degrees of separation? May need to revise that back to two or three.   Quite amazing.

...we camped at Chris’ place on the way to the lake. Is your brother on the duck farm next door?


Short answer no. The duck farmers I do know however as I have some professional dealings with them and also their grandparents live across the road from me!

My brother lives to the north of Chris. You can't see his house from the road as it is behind the hill. His driveway is just before the sweeping corner at the top of the hill as you drive out to Chris' place. Blink and you miss it.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on March 15, 2010, 07:10:53 PM
We stayed at Chris's and Dirty Dave's too. Beautiful place with Dave serving sensational steaks.

Thanks Chris and Dave, that was a highlight of our journey.

Dik
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: PJQ on March 15, 2010, 07:55:07 PM
As a bit of background for the viewers at home, the Spirit of Sunshine is surrounded by a group of like-minded blokes... the word team doesn’t really fit, more like a collective of strong-willed nutters that click together easily. We stay in touch during the year, travel to the lake together, occasionally help out with separate projects, and definitely share the highs and lows of this sport and life in general.

We all ride motorbikes (except for The Rev) and share a couple of other things in common.
Lack of money, streetwise smarts when it comes to building things, and a deranged, but fierce, determination to succeed.

Please bear with our enthusiasm for one of the bikes running 230+ MPH. Although we’d all acknowledge the Booza as a great bike, none of us are in a position to own one or have the inclination to do so. The bikes in this group are old enough to qualify for Historic racing and there’s a constant state of re-build in backyard sheds with bits fabricated, borrowed, scrounged, or won on ebay for $6.80 plus delivery.

The tank is the only car in the group, and the 230 bike was a 72 Suzuki GT750, built as described to 1000cc. That’s just background stuff to set the scene, not meant for anything else.

** a Team works together cohesively as a unit. Getting any three from this group to focus on one job is like herding cats.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Lynchy on March 15, 2010, 08:41:50 PM
I just wanted to add that Big Gaz and I also got to get properly acquainted with Lord and Lady Dirtington (Dirty Dave and Chris) and also count this as a highlight of the trip!

Lynchy
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on March 15, 2010, 08:45:07 PM
GMH Monaro finally bust through the 200mph mark, in fact around 212(?), well done, lovely looking thing too. This is a seminal Aussie muscle car and worth plenty on the street. I am really glad someone is using it for this event rather than mothballing it.

Hey
Not fair
I drive mine occaisonally
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on March 15, 2010, 10:56:07 PM
Yes you do and it is a beauty, certainly no trailer queen.

And on that note I would like to say that you are no trailer queen either, you do what you do.

Continuing on from what Pete said about teams it is indeed a herd of cats we have here but one that seems to work.

For those not in our team, Graham aka Colonel Grumm has been on this project with us from day one. Although he might not have put as many hours into each weekend that we have that is because he hasn't have to; he has years more experience than us with breaking engines and crashing things so he doesn't need to witness our trial by mistake.

Dr G and I are of the mindset that we need to go down every path to figure out why something is done (or more accurately why it is not done) in a particular way. All along the Colonel will say a simple statement which typically turns out to be the best solution, but we will go our own way working out why every other way doesn't work until we understand the logic of his solution.

He was the donor of our original Buick engines, masterminded our move to VN commodores (and gave us one of those too) provided the VW steering solution and the rack itself, the diff, the porting, the wiring and his expertise at the salt has kept us going when things started to break on a number of occasions each year.

So I would like to say a huge thank you and say we definately could not have done it without you.

I would be honoured to assist on your approaching Salt Lake build and running in any way I can.


Dik

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on March 15, 2010, 11:04:16 PM
And as mentioned before, Peter Quick (yep that's his real name) has also become an invaluable friend and team member. He had started his Lakester build prior to us and met each other at our first visit to the lake (drawn to our campsite by the sonerous but eery tones of Deadbolt-scariest band in the world (their words not mine)).

Pete has for the past two years taken on the tough task of towing our vehicle the 3000km round trip to the salt with his troopy and been on call as recovery vehicle. On top of that he has provided us with tools, advice and culturally significant diversions to keep us going.

Now that your lakester build has started again (found a new workshop location) you can be safe in the knowledge that you have plenty of favours to draw upon.

Here is a photo of Pete at the lake doing his best bird watcher impersonation:

Thanks again Pete.

Dik
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Freud on March 15, 2010, 11:31:22 PM
As a proper key carrying member of the KILO KLUB at Bonneville, I offer, without the sanction of the Mayor of the

KILO KLUB, an invitiation to stop by for a get acquainted session.

Ya can't bring that scantly clad dude to the 'otel because Sherry would be shocked at indecency. The rest of us

would find some tasks for him to keep him out in the sun while we have an educational conversation.

We will be in the same location most of the time so the responsibility of hookin up falls to you nomadic vagrants.

This offer will be extended again before August. You will be shunned at Salt Talks if u don't check in with us first.

A key carrying member of the Kilo Klub


der FREUD
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: PJQ on March 16, 2010, 04:30:50 AM
(http://lh5.ggpht.com/_u0_IOr1cg0w/S58_-I9d8dI/AAAAAAAAAKg/IZKmSsQi77w/s800/SOS00.jpg)
(http://lh4.ggpht.com/_u0_IOr1cg0w/S58_-SaPbpI/AAAAAAAAAKk/xnT1x94M6T4/s800/SOS01.jpg)
(http://lh3.ggpht.com/_u0_IOr1cg0w/S58_-ZbOAOI/AAAAAAAAAKo/5S1NtfPBaEw/s800/SOS02.jpg)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: PJQ on March 16, 2010, 04:32:44 AM
(http://lh5.ggpht.com/_u0_IOr1cg0w/S58_-txbdPI/AAAAAAAAAKs/h5SkSuZB_nQ/s800/SOS03.jpg)
(http://lh5.ggpht.com/_u0_IOr1cg0w/S58_-_umCTI/AAAAAAAAAKw/AxfljoLfVyw/s800/SOS04.jpg)
(http://lh4.ggpht.com/_u0_IOr1cg0w/S59APf2jThI/AAAAAAAAAK0/tCyAEh32q5o/s800/SOS05.jpg)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: PJQ on March 16, 2010, 04:33:31 AM
(http://lh6.ggpht.com/_u0_IOr1cg0w/S59APh_s5yI/AAAAAAAAAK4/iatItOWcG98/s800/SOS06.jpg)
(http://lh5.ggpht.com/_u0_IOr1cg0w/S59AP8luNTI/AAAAAAAAAK8/_3mX1MWOFZc/s800/SOS07.jpg)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on March 16, 2010, 04:56:55 AM
Yep
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Kiwi Paul on March 16, 2010, 07:23:11 PM
Very well done, everyone. Freud, since it looks alot like me reclining in the chair in your Kilo Club photo, can I be a member too? (I think the Rev and Dr should join ahead of me though, as their achievements outrank mine considerably.....)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 16, 2010, 08:51:11 PM
I'm probably not the only one who looks at that photo of a little shade tent in the middle of a vast salt lake and thinks......"YEAH!!!!!!"....that's my idea of a really relaxing week...... thousands, sorry millions...actually more than likely BILLIONS would fail to see the attraction but not me.... some binoculars, a lot of ice, a radio and a banana lounge....oh yeah and someone to drive me to dock each night....Can't promise when I'll get there though fERD...........................

I spent some time in the shed last night...started unhooking the motor, getting ready to haul it out. Took off the water tank ......cleaned a bit of the aluminium stuff with phosphoric , the inner moons and other bits and pieces come up nicely with a mild solution and a scotchbrite........that red dust mixed with a little bit of oil......ain't nice stuff it kills your hands and stains everything but most of all nothing siezes things quicker ...even the handle on my big bottle jack stuck.....

I believe it could be a military weapon If you dropped a shipload of that red dust on hi-tech equipment that would be the end of it.......it's a super-galling compound and it's conductive
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: fredeuce on March 16, 2010, 09:11:46 PM

I spent some time in the shed last night...started unhooking the motor, getting ready to haul it out. Took off the water tank ......cleaned a bit of the aluminium stuff with phosphoric , the inner moons and other bits and pieces come up nicely with a mild solution and a scotchbrite........that red dust mixed with a little bit of oil......ain't nice stuff it kills your hands and stains everything but most of all nothing siezes things quicker ...even the handle on my big bottle jack stuck.....

I believe it could be a military weapon If you dropped a shipload of that red dust on hi-tech equipment that would be the end of it.......it's a super-galling compound and it's conductive

Dr. G,
You need to look at the oil/red dust compound from the glass half full perspective. This is the bush mechanic's loctite! A whole new marketing opportunity. :wink: :wink:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on March 16, 2010, 09:32:05 PM
I know a pessimist that drowned in a half empty bath...
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on March 16, 2010, 10:09:24 PM
I know a pessimist that drowned in a half empty bath...

Half full - half empty?

Depends on one's perspective -

Are we pouring, or are we drinking?

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 16, 2010, 11:45:36 PM
I know a pessimist that drowned in a half empty bath...


and yet his friend the optimist barely got himself wet.............

In other breaking news The Colonel just put himself on the market...there's a certain bike shop that is gonna be a bit short for a while........
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Rob on March 22, 2010, 03:37:09 AM

Did Rod Hadfield run anything, I saw your picture of his transporter?

Gary

Rod ran at least one run on the GPS track in the light blue wagon, if it wasn't him, he has a twin. :-D

Cheers,
Rob
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Rob on March 22, 2010, 03:48:32 AM
It's killing me guys, what the h*ll was happening in this one?

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y10/grahaminaus/Speedweek%202010/SpeedWeek2010241.jpg)

Cheers,
Rob
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 22, 2010, 05:45:47 AM
we was trying to get some nice shots, as requested, of us's wearin' Stainless's shirts...... and looking at the shot this would be before we thought to put the bus in gear and we were doing the treadmill on the tires.....two of us with bung legs ..................it was going to end badly....no we weren't tanked......we can thank GrahaminAus for the shot above
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Rob on March 23, 2010, 05:21:18 AM
Thanks Doc,

Sounds better than it looks and yep, Graham's pic. He's good on the camera but don't let him "adjust" your tent  :roll:

Cheers,
Rob
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Lynchy on March 23, 2010, 06:33:46 AM
If they all ran really fast in the other direction they might find the missing 7mph..... :-o
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on March 24, 2010, 11:39:42 AM
Great looking shirts... hope to wear one like them in Australia some day... when they get really old they make great polishing rags. 

Back in the day there used to be a large Speed Limit 1000 sign at the start line... disappeared after the 2 year shutdown 82-83.  We had the number so it was a natural....
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 24, 2010, 04:56:00 PM
All these shots were taken by bystanders when we were posing for Frank who's a real photographer, we're waiting on Frank's stuff, amongst them should be just the shot you're after Mr Steele ...last years

http://twixt-two-wheels.jalbum.net/Spirit%20of%20Sunshine/

were great...to be honest apart from a few tiny external details even I'll have trouble telling this from last years photos.

Now, I know there's a few stale half or three quarter finished ones laying around but I thought it might be time to open a fresh can of worms.....

The crew are currently "discussing" what mods we are going to make to the car , what we can afford and wht will be the most useful for the "task at hand"........getting it over 200 and beyond.

On the fast runs this year the car was putting on about 12mph per mile after the first mile , reaching a max of about 195. Now in rough terms I have been contending that if we change the final drive that the car will accelerate at rough( slightly less)ly the same rate in top but will go little further between gears thus it will be slower at the end of the first mile.....soooooo, I'm thinking for the lower rear end we are going to need just a little more power AS WELL AS the valve train mods to let her rev to 7000....otherwise although the car will still be accelerating we'll run into the small problem of the last timed mile.......

anyone?

am I right in saying that the lower numerical final drive lowers the applied torque?........
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on March 24, 2010, 07:28:53 PM
Doc -

The very first post I made on this forum brought up the very subject you're asking about -
Horse power is what makes you go fast, build it for max hp and then gear it for your max speed at close to the max hp rpm. Torque makes it easy to pull away from a stop light but doesn't give you mph
Rex

followed by

RPM baby..!....ring its neck and pick up the pieces....
kent

Given this advice from the really good guys, I'd suggest you get the tank to the dyno that your buddy had offered up a while back and see where you’re sitting on power, determine how fast you want to go, and calculate your final drive with that info.  In the lower gears, you’ll probably be able to pull past peak power (provided properly preempting percolating petroleum problems), and fall on the upswing of your power band during acceleration.

Chris
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on March 24, 2010, 09:26:12 PM
engTorque X trans ratio X Rear ratio XTire Correction= Tractive effort

the higher the RPMs and the larger rear axle number for any given speed will give you more Tractive effort--- tq being the same
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Rob on March 24, 2010, 11:06:31 PM
Doc 'n Rev,

I've been pondering a thought this past day. Given your current rate of yearly improvement, you guys may well be looking at the top speed of the meet next year... certainly you will be right up there in the 4 wheelers.

Cheers,
Rob
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 25, 2010, 12:26:52 AM
Steady on there Rob flattery ain't necessarily a good thing in LSR ....fat heads have bad aero :-D :-D

We are engaged in debate via email as to what is the most important of the inter-related factors...the holy triangle of power/gearing/money( we are going to have a tinker with aero but on a broad scale we're happy with it).... we intend to go with a 7.5 inch rear end ala Sparky's Ratical but we have to solve the natural rev-limit that the valve train has imposed and then I suspect eek out a little bit more power to get over a taller rear end............................

this year we hoped to get into the 200's, we missed by 3&1/2 per cent.....next year we want to get into the teens......

That said it is almost time, nay IS time to re-visit some of the detail in the cab....we're going to change the gearshift lock-out so that we can use first gear..... and if time permits I might have a bit of a crack at the steering column..... the functionality in there could be a little better, we'
re going to lost the big tacho too.........One idiot light for oil pressure and a big two digit LED tach......from what I experienced on my last run that's plenty
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on March 25, 2010, 12:38:31 AM
Doc, add a little time on the dyno, it sounded like you might have been lean on top.  If you are using ram air, it is harder to simulate on the dyno but set it fat.  Then when you run it keep adding fuel till you stop going faster.  :| Or get one of the air/fuel thingies and be at 12.2.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Rob on March 25, 2010, 12:55:22 AM
Steady on there Rob flattery ain't necessarily a good thing in LSR ....fat heads have bad aero :-D :-D

Not flattery, just seriously thinking about where your car was this year and what actually held it back. If the seal hadn't died and lifters had not pumped up... you didn't lose traction or at least, not noticably so. You were running a guesstimate ECU with no dyno time so unless you were extremely lucky, you weren't at your full potential HP wise.

It wouldn't be a bad thing to get in a dyno run now as a baseline before you change anything. Then you will know how many hp you have added next year for how much speed which will help you in the future.

Cheers,
Rob
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on March 25, 2010, 01:16:22 AM
That's a very good point about the dyno and getting a baseline, Rob thanks.

I am very excited about the aero as Dr G reports that he thinks we had zero wheel slippage at top speed.

That said, it can always be better and so the plan is to improve this again by tightening seams, closing holes and smoothing this and that.

Better aero is cheap horsepower in my book.

Dik (rH+)

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: wobblywalrus on March 25, 2010, 02:00:20 AM
Doc and Rev, I was changing gearing, tires, and chain types in the time intervals between my baseline run and my subsequent dyno runs.  The chassis dyno we use is sensitive to this, and I could not compare the baseline and later runs to determine year-to-year horsepower changes.  It is a topic to discuss with your dyno operator.  He /she might have some recommendations. 
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Rob on March 25, 2010, 04:07:16 AM
Rev,

No worries, I'm just making it up as I go along but it seems a logical idea to me. Changing rear ends and or ratios will change your rear wheel output but should still be comparable with your baseline to my mind. If you change tyres or rubber compounds, tyre to roller frictional changes will come into the equation.

Doc and Rev, I was changing gearing, tires, and chain types in the time intervals between my baseline run and my subsequent dyno runs.  The chassis dyno we use is sensitive to this, and I could not compare the baseline and later runs to determine year-to-year horsepower changes.  It is a topic to discuss with your dyno operator.  He /she might have some recommendations.  
WW,

Why wouldn't you still get a real comparison of rear wheel HP at any given point assuming the same dyno and tyres are used? Tyre change I can understand making inaccuracies.

I'm no dyno guru but I am a logical thinker with an enquiring mind.

Cheers,
Rob
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 25, 2010, 04:23:24 AM
Doc, add a little time on the dyno, it sounded like you might have been lean on top. If you are using ram air, it is harder to simulate on the dyno but set it fat.  Then when you run it keep adding fuel till you stop going faster.  :| Or get one of the air/fuel thingies and be at 12.2.

Now, we do have a scoop on top the car....however, the scoop is not sealed against the throttle body housing and behind it are the louvers in the cowl.....the idea of the scoop was to stop airflow across the top of the TB's..OK this ain't necessarily scientific but I didn't like the idea of smooth airflow across the top of the (vertical) TB's figuring it would hinder flow, whereas the arrangement of the scoop is such that airflow is forced downward, but I wouldn't call it ram air because less than 50% of the area at the base of the scoop is TB, the rest flows over the engine and leaves via the louvers ....below is a pic of the car on it's first day out, before the scoop, before the second throttle body was added
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/IMG_2211.jpg)

As you can see the bodyline is heading in at that point, so there is potential separation as well as the venturi effect I discussed above.....it may be as I say myself "bad science"....but we had no data to go on and my gut feeling was that we were better with than without.....now when I think about it I guess we are getting some ram air at that point when we're doing 193 and there is of course the possibility that the MAP sensor or something is creating a bit of "conflict".......that is a possibility .......here is the car last year, with the scoop.....

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/DSC_1704.jpg)

here's another shot from last year that shows the scoop and louvers behind it( for the nit-pickers, the cowl ain't buttoned up here), that's Frank Kletschkus  the guy who shot the pics mentioned on the previous page,former owner of a Brough and current owner of a 42 Scout...great photographer who deals up a pretty good coffee.... :wink:
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/DSC_1727.jpg)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: fredvance on March 25, 2010, 10:10:31 AM
I have a tire that is my dyno tire/wheel. That is its only use, dyno only.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 26, 2010, 12:42:47 AM
I have a tire that is my dyno tire/wheel. That is its only use, dyno only.

engine dyno for us, that car is a nightmare ANYWHERE other than the salt....we coooooould take it to a chassis dyno in the nude but to be honest it's a whole lot easier to pull the donk and take the exhaust with it......
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: hitz on March 27, 2010, 11:54:20 PM
Dr G,
Read your post a couple of times about your runs and the engine seal leaking. I had troubles with the power falling off also at speed week 2009 and oil being pushed out of a crank seal. The last run the little Saturn pushed enough oil of more than a few places that I could smell hot oil in the cockpit. That put it on the trailer.

When I got home I pulled the engine apart and saw evidence of what looked like lack of oil. I'm sure the oil was aerated and causing most if not all of my problems. The pressure in the crankcase was probably from the piston ring seal breaking down and the power loss was probably from air in the hydraulic lifters. A few hrs in the pits would let the air out of the oil and things would be good to go. The last run was a turnaround and things got much worse quicker. Just a heads up.

Rev,
The lay out work on the tank turned out great and is one of the nicest looking tanks I've seen.

harv
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 28, 2010, 02:55:21 AM
Dr G,
Read your post a couple of times about your runs and the engine seal leaking. I had troubles with the power falling off also at speed week 2009 and oil being pushed out of a crank seal. The last run the little Saturn pushed enough oil of more than a few places that I could smell hot oil in the cockpit. That put it on the trailer.

When I got home I pulled the engine apart and saw evidence of what looked like lack of oil. I'm sure the oil was aerated and causing most if not all of my problems. The pressure in the crankcase was probably from the piston ring seal breaking down and the power loss was probably from air in the hydraulic lifters. A few hrs in the pits would let the air out of the oil and things would be good to go. The last run was a turnaround and things got much worse quicker. Just a heads up.
harv

The Colonel and I stood around out in the shed for a bit this afternoon and mulled over some of the results..the possible explanations we went through did not include that one but there is no reason why it might not be right.....we discussed using another vac-u-pan and putting a non return valve on the pcv fitting so it'll vent if it does get positive pressure... I'm going to speak to an engine builder in the next few weeks about sorting our heads, we're going to solid lifters  and roller rockers we'll probably also go for bigger valves which Chris ( the engine builder) suggested would be a good idea...........At the moment we still have a close eye on the cost, we have a decent bottom end , if we make it breathe better we might get some decent speeds out of it before we break something, the loose rocker this year was a lucky escape......

I took the tail off .....I emptied the fuel tank...nothing leaked down there, everything looked ship-shape, I emptied the first of the three extinguisher bottles..... cut myself on an exhaust gasket.........

It was interesting to see the car after this years meet more serious fretting and vibration wear in places where things touch.....The car did a lot more miles than last year ,thinking about it the short course runs would be about eight miles, the long course would be fourteen or so ....that means the car did about 45 miles during the week........ and some of them a lot faster than last year so obviously its copped more of a beating, the salt was a lot harder and didn't seem to grade as smooth...nothing was broken though but there's a lot of paint off the frame , it's looks old.........

time for a total tear-down..... :-D :-D :-D
Title: Australian Belly Tank "If"
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 31, 2010, 07:44:10 PM
".....If a picture paints a thousand words....".....it really only needs to be four......this one says......."I think it's broken"....

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/mecarsbroken.jpg)

it was taken by our good mate Dirty Dave , It's me , no not Al Jolson.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: bvillercr on March 31, 2010, 08:31:50 PM
Clasic picture, that is worth a thousand words. :-D :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: wobblywalrus on March 31, 2010, 10:34:45 PM
The breather problem might be a good one to investigate when the motor is on the engine dyno.  You can put a pressure gauge on your valve cover and measure crankcase pressure while under load.  Also, you can compare your breather fixes.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Nexxussian on April 01, 2010, 12:39:13 AM
If you are interested in measuring crankcase pressure or blowby, might I suggest a manometer.

If you are expecting enought blowby to have pressure, Cummins has a reference somewhere to hook one to the crankcase vent (without a vacuum pump or other crankcase evacuation setup) with a restricted outlet to read the flow of blowby.

If you are just trying to check for the pressure you could hook it up without the restricted outlet.

If it's beyond the pressure a manometer can practicaly register I would suggest it's too high regardless.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on April 01, 2010, 02:27:12 AM
Is there any good oil on what the good oil is to use?

if aeration is a problem, can this be alleviated somewhat by a type of oil?

rH+
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on April 01, 2010, 02:50:22 AM
If you are interested in measuring crankcase pressure or blowby, might I suggest a manometer.

That makes a lot of sense and it's not something I would have thought of
I used to use a manometer every day balancing bike carbs
Probably not that practical in the car, as Goggs said he couldn't even read the 5" tach
But certainly something to check on the dyno
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Nexxussian on April 01, 2010, 04:30:06 PM
Yes, dyno use, should've mentioned that. :oops:



I would think a "lighter" weight oil would let loose of the "air" entrained therin more rapidly, but it would also likely reach a critical weakening of the film strength sooner (as I expect the film itself would be thinner).

If Blow by and Windage prove insurmountable, some of the dry sump manufacturers make a mechanical de-areator, I don't know that they sell them separately though. :-(

Of course if there was room, a dry sump would be the ultimate fix for that.

Yeah, not in my budget this year either. :(
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on April 10, 2010, 12:28:46 AM
Here's some shots that have come in from Frank Kletschkus ( http://frankkletschkus.moonfruit.com/#/speed/4533837790 ) ....on his site are some absolute beauties....

these are all light-hearted....hey we can never be accused of taking this all too seriously.......

On the Sunday after a big downpour on the Saturday night , up to when the lake was dry as a witch's tit, lucky thing though was the salt was still as hard as concrete...at this point there was about 3/16ths of an inch of water running away from you in the picture.....
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/_NZS0230.jpg)

Packing the 'chute, the Rev, Nigel, the Colonel and ...hey if I hadn't them out you'd be able to see my tonsils.....

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/_NZS0249.jpg)

Laundry hung out to dry on the return road.....

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/_NZS1085.jpg)

Heading back to the pit , the Rev as beast of burden,Nigel Begg riding , Dr Goggles in undies on the push bike and Big Gaz( Aussie Jaguar build) in the DLRA top.

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/_NZS1271.jpg)

Next we're on the line , The Reverend tucking me in....That's Cled Davies our starter and new Pres and PJQ our immaculate transport and good friend...

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/_NZS2387.jpg)

On the way back on the return road from the eight mile, it's a long trip ( and, I have to tell you a darn sight more comfortable riding like this)and one tends to get a little peckish, those are barbecue shapes.

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/mmmmshapes.jpg)

Next we have a moment in the pit when after driving back on the return road I was sure I could hear a clatter, when we started it again at the marshalling area she was missing badly, at that point the Colonel said "turn it off I can see something hitting the cover, right there!"....we waited til they closed the track for the day so at least we had a spot in the line then headed back to the pit.....here we have us all looking on while the Colonel does a little Zen thing with his eyes closed as we wait to see what was revealed ....turns out the rocker stud had just undone itself, no damage other than a little swarf.....phew
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/_NZS1307.jpg)
Looking straight down the gullet, not much room for anything else in that engine bay, striping by Ryan Ford..........

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/_NZS1724.jpg)

Thanks for the T-shirts Stainless,that's me the Colonel and the Rev'
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/_NZS2608.jpg)

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/_NZS2624.jpg)

The Rev may well have been nodding attentively at this point but I pretty sure whatever I was saying would have come out as "mmmmmmble oomph blllblllrdd "...just like anyone talking fast with a helmet on and the visor down...... the hand motions are critical.
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/_NZS1093.jpg)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: wobblywalrus on April 10, 2010, 12:40:37 PM
The seal blow and excess crankcase pressure can be caused by a number of subtle problems related to engine tolerances.  The book "The Step-by Step Guide to Engine Blueprinting" by Rick Voegelin ISBN-13 978-1-884089-26-8 helps me a lot.  It does not go into the details of how to blueprint.  Instead, it tells the average person what blueprinting can do.  Cylinder distortion due to heat, excess ring end gap, poorly seated rings, and a number of topics discussed in this book might be your answer. 
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on April 11, 2010, 01:11:22 AM
The "lady" post a stylish pict. with her laundry out
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Ron Gibson on April 11, 2010, 10:43:05 AM
Oil aeration
Years ago (early 80's) Al was having trouble aerating the oil on his liner. We were talking to the guys with the Howe Welding Special modified. They said they had that problem until they started using an anti-foam additive. They said it cost $25 a quart at that time. Pricey, but cheap if it works and saves parts.
Google anti foaming and a bunch of sites come up. Good luck

Ron
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on April 11, 2010, 11:02:02 PM
Hey Ron, interesting, thanks for the tip . Priceless this site.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on April 21, 2010, 07:55:07 AM
I've been enjoying myself lately for a number of reasons.....last week I heard a song I hadn't heard for a very long time , in an incongruous place. Joe Walsh's song "Life's been good" rang out at work, I could hear it from my office , I'm a case manager for homeless men, now I'm sure you can see the irony of a bunch of blokes who live on the street singing along to a guy singing about a life of grand excess....I used to love that song when it came out, in 1978. And to be sure life has been good, though I have to admit on a much more modest scale than it has or had to Joe....but there I sat thinking how well the tank had gone this year, how my ankle was better than I'd hoped it would be after the bike crash in 08 and how I'd had a lot of fun playing music lately.

I got back last night from visiting Brett de Stoop up near Sydney so I could get the basics together for an article that we hope to be able to sell to some magazines. Simon Davidson a salt fan and photographer for some of the country's bigger car and bike mags amongst other things had called me right about the time that I'd been thinking how much I'd like to write a story about Brett and wondering if on some slim chance he'd be interested in doing it with me. Brett is a very clever guy who has achieved something great but there is a whole lot more to him than that. Some people just want to take their ride "out there , just to see what it'll do"...Brett is on a grand pursuit to take his know-how and his ability to see what it will do, he is a massive ball of energy and a fierce creative force who will freely admit it frightens the bejesus out of him. He will also openly describe how the death of his brother and a broken relationship created a blizzard that kept him focused on the bike as a way of avoiding the pain around him.Many of the regulars here will envy the ability to devote so much time but it has been a strange compromise between therapy and self harm.

It is simply fun as he says , theatre that he can perform in and he lights up even when describing what he likes about it let alone the process itself. He regularly says "if that (some particular idea)hadn't worked I probably wouldn't have gone on with it( the whole bike)"....but it doesn't take long to workout that very few things he does are stabs in the dark and he has a clinical way of developing things that eschews "hunches" in favour of plotting out parameters and cooly analyzing the effects that singular changes have.Most of the items that are used on the race bike have been dynoed on a single cylinder test motor, pipes compared , ports compared...he loves to describe the stock 50hp Waterbottle motor as a "lawnmower motor". He's very patient when you ask questions in an effort to consolidate what he has told you because it is often overwhelming and he has a great way of listening to you as you struggle to explain what you understand of what he has said......

We got there around lunch time  Brett had put the naked bike together so it looked complete but without the internals , Simon began set up his gear I sat next to Brettie in his dyno shed as he explained that he felt too many people got caught up "tinkering" when they should take that extra step to make their own repeatable version so they had "room to move" and could genuinely "think outside the box"............it was as he said when he made the molds for the block that he could really mess with it and eliminate the compromises that he knew the original designers had made....

Bretts motor is way over square and as he said "anyone who knows their two stroke stuff knows that just by increasing the stroke I will get proportional gains, this motor , the thousand, is like a lame 1500, that's what the bore is ideal for.......I've got heaps to do yet"

I got back home close to midnight , with some notes and some voice recordings...and a lot of writing to do....

Moving right along I have finally bought the Torsen diff centre that we will be using in the tank so we can run numerically lower final drives . Shamelessly we are copying Sparky's ideas for his rear end , it's a 7 and a 1/2 inch 10 bolt that came from Arkansas and has just arrived at ground central, AzTex Motorsports in Phoenix.....we're going to marshall parts there before getting them back here via Bonneville... as the Rev says we try to surround ourselves with clever people and ask lots of questions and I don't need to tell anyone here that Bill Smith is way , way up there and we feel privileged that he even returns our emails...let alone helps, thanks Sparky.

This week I'm talking to an engine builder about modding some roller rockers for our motor and sourcing some solid lifters  we're also going to get him to fit some bigger valves to the heads....46 weeks to go.

Anyway, besides all that I bought another Fender Telecaster this week, life is good.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Graham in Aus on April 21, 2010, 08:05:17 PM
Great writing Dr G, real insight into the man and his machine, I look forward to be able to buy the magazine and in a small way contribute to the progress of the Spirit of Sunshine !  :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: wobblywalrus on April 21, 2010, 11:40:53 PM
Rocky Robinson has a nice little publication and he prints a lot of land speed stuff.  He is a forum member.  Classic Bike Guide, an English magazine, published an article I wrote about my Triumph a few years ago.  They might be interested.

The magazines are in a financial pinch right now and they might not pay what the article is worth.  A book may be a better deal for you guys in the long term.  A magazine article is a one-shot deal, but a book sells for a long time.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on April 22, 2010, 04:14:41 AM
Rocky Robinson has a nice little publication and he prints a lot of land speed stuff.  He is a forum member.  Classic Bike Guide, an English magazine, published an article I wrote about my Triumph a few years ago.  They might be interested.

The magazines are in a financial pinch right now and they might not pay what the article is worth.  A book may be a better deal for you guys in the long term.  A magazine article is a one-shot deal, but a book sells for a long time.
Hey wobbles
what with this internet thing here was me thinking they didn't make books anymore... :roll: but yes of course in a way you are right, thing is the weigh-in is pretty big for that stuff, we are looking at more general/human interest type publications as we believe his story has a wider audience than the purely tech-head crowd ...that said it's appeal to them is strong because he's the real deal......
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on April 22, 2010, 10:19:25 AM
Good Dr Goggles --- If you don't watch out the KiWis will be over trying to get Brett to change islands  :evil:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on May 20, 2010, 02:32:45 AM
Ok peeps, it's alright we're still here. In the interim I've been talking with our man in Az Sparky who has been very very helpful with the 10bolt sitch, we have also found a guy here in Aus who it looks like has enough experience with them to get some decent assembly done ....the issue is we want to keep the Ford axles when we go to the GM diff. It turns out that the 28splines will fit either. Bill is looking out for 2.41 and 2.56 sets for the Torsen carrier and then we'll be on the way.

Back here , I have found a set of series three heads for our Buick based Holden V6 with roller rockers, huge valves and a big porting job. I got in touch with the workshop who did them in the first place and the build cost is about three times the asking on flea-bay .....but we do have to ship them across the country if we are the successful bidders.........
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Rob on May 20, 2010, 05:04:05 AM
Doc,

Check out trucking companies, backloads W.A. heading east are usually cheap thanks to lack of freight headed that direction.

Cheers,
Rob
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on May 20, 2010, 11:07:27 AM
oooh ---so we are trying to give the V-6 a bigger bite and a louder bark for next meet----you load that puppy up with the taller gears----an I bet we see and smell more oil next year... :-D sounds like more fun to me
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on May 20, 2010, 05:38:12 PM
Doc,

Check out trucking companies, backloads W.A. heading east are usually cheap thanks to lack of freight headed that direction.

Cheers,
Rob

Nah, it's Darwin!but good point , there's probably an even greater proportion ......

oooh ---so we are trying to give the V-6 a bigger bite and a louder bark for next meet----you load that puppy up with the taller gears----an I bet we see and smell more oil next year... :-D sounds like more fun to me

Geez, don't put the hoo-doo on us..... :wink:

I got some pics of the chamber on the heads we're bidding on, you can't fit any bigger valves than the one's they've squeezed into 'em, nice porting and blending too.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on May 21, 2010, 07:49:36 AM
I got some pics of the chamber on the heads we're bidding on, you can't fit any bigger valves than the one's they've squeezed into 'em, nice porting and blending too.
oooh ---so we are trying to give the V-6 a bigger bite and a louder bark for next meet----you load that puppy up with the taller gears----an I bet we see and smell more oil next year... :-D sounds like more fun to me

Last year it sounded like an old 173ci holden six thru a hot dog muffler
The first time we started it this year, you could tell it was going to be faster
to quote Goggles "this certianly converts hydrocarbons into motion much better than than my last car"
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on May 21, 2010, 09:37:24 AM
NO      to      hoo-do

yes      to    more     MO-JO    :-o      :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on May 22, 2010, 09:01:37 AM
Back here , I have found a set of series three heads for our Buick based Holden V6 with roller rockers, huge valves and a big porting job. I got in touch with the workshop who did them in the first place and the build cost is about three times the asking on flea-bay .....but we do have to ship them across the country if we are the successful bidders.........
Looks like somebody won 'em.  Are you the successful bidder?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on May 22, 2010, 11:12:44 PM
That certain somebody ......would be ME!!!!!

Now, we mix some gasoline with some of that lovely Lake Gairdner air........
and we poke it in

here.........
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/stage3ITP.jpg)

it comes out the big valve ....here

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/stage3valves.jpg)

and it goes BANG.....then it goes out the little valve...and out through here...

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/stage3zorstport.jpg)

then these things go up and down a bit more and it all happens over again, and again, and.....

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/stage3wollerwockergirdle.jpg)

la la la la la la

haven't had my grubbys on them yet as they're on the other side of the country but it won't be long....
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on May 22, 2010, 11:55:48 PM
:-D  La la la la la la la - everybody,  join in the chorus - it's a drinkin' song! :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

I was watching this auction, and I was thinking, if he doesn't wind up in a bidding war, or some knucklehead doesn't try to scoop 'em, he's going to wind up with a bargain.

Congratulations to team Sunshine.

And for the rest of us, we'll be booking flights to Melbourne tomorrow to attend both the Doctor's funeral and Deb's court date with the magistrate.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: gearheadeh on May 23, 2010, 10:19:08 AM
I got some pics of the chamber on the heads we're bidding on, you can't fit any bigger valves than the one's they've squeezed into 'em, nice porting and blending too.
oooh ---so we are trying to give the V-6 a bigger bite and a louder bark for next meet----you load that puppy up with the taller gears----an I bet we see and smell more oil next year... :-D sounds like more fun to me

Last year it sounded like an old 173ci holden six thru a hot dog muffler
The first time we started it this year, you could tell it was going to be faster
to quote Goggles "this certianly converts hydrocarbons into motion much better than than my last car"
G


That is a great one, worthy of the Bonneville Quotes post.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: wobblywalrus on May 23, 2010, 02:50:29 PM
Darwin is in the Australia far north at the end of the road according to my atlas.  A remote location, for sure.  Probably one of the last places in the world to expect to find nice ported and valved cylinder heads.  Do they race there?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on May 23, 2010, 05:38:55 PM
Darwin is in the Australia far north at the end of the road according to my atlas.  A remote location, for sure.  Probably one of the last places in the world to expect to find nice ported and valved cylinder heads.  Do they race there?

In remote parts of Australia the population is very sparse, however many strongly suspect that the hot cars per head of population vastly exceeds that of the coastal areas.. There a many mining operations in the Northern Territory, Western Australia and South Australia( them's states ....with names thought out by creative genii) and anywhere there's a mine there are all the engineering resources that make running a race car of some type plausible, plus high wages ...and not much else to do except work and race or build...
I got some pics of the chamber on the heads we're bidding on, you can't fit any bigger valves than the one's they've squeezed into 'em, nice porting and blending too.

The first time we started it this year, you could tell it was going to be faster
to quote Goggles "this certainly converts hydrocarbons into motion much better than than my last car"
G

After we'd started this years motor the first time I looked over at the Colonel, who is not the kind of guy to get over-excited ...he was looking at me with one raised eyebrow....and he said to me , with a slightly raised pitch and an enquiring tone  that was more an answer than a question , " is that louder than it was last year?".......I , who am the kind to get a little over-excited was already laughing and to be exact ,the quote was ," F*** YEAH! that's certainly gonna convert hydrocarbons into motion much better than my last car"......

Just a simple example of more noise=more energy.

I bought the 28 spline axles we need for the 10 bolt diff, hopefully Sparky will be able to find us a 2.56:1 set for it . Then our next few years are planned out. This year we sort the oiling and run the new heads for 2011. The next year we run the 2.56, the next year we go to the 2.56 and the 2.41 .....by which point we hope to have our blower sorted out....step by step.........
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on May 23, 2010, 06:24:24 PM
Darwin is in the Australia far north at the end of the road according to my atlas.  A remote location, for sure.  Probably one of the last places in the world to expect to find nice ported and valved cylinder heads.  Do they race there?

Darwin can be described as Australia's  deep north. If you had seen the movie Wolf Creek? It was banned in the Northern Territory (not even a state) because the government believed it was to similar to the events leading to a court case at the time of it's release
It's only recently, and with much reluctance, that the government there introduced speed limits on the open road
Yes they race there
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on May 23, 2010, 06:31:46 PM
and if they really get it sorted out with the blower---2.28 and 2.14s are available  :evil:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on May 23, 2010, 07:03:12 PM
What about the tyres?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on May 23, 2010, 07:20:57 PM
What about the tyres?

$ willing they will be organised..........I need to speak to them folks again.....
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on May 30, 2010, 07:22:05 PM
Darwin is in the Australia far north at the end of the road according to my atlas. 

ya know the term "end of the road" and the name "Darwin" conjure up the possibility, backed in part by personal experience that it's a "backwoods" place, Darwin is a looong way away , from pretty much anywhere....

It's not like the tropics in far north Queensland( which are pretty), Darwin is flat, murderously hot(in the middle of winter) and can turn on stupefying humidity. I've only been there once , it was to play music , the stay did not pass unrefreshed in true Darwin tradition, I ate six meals while I was there........four of them were Barramundi, which isn't just a delicacy, it's very forgiving to the cook..... It doesn't matter if they're nine parts cut , with one eye and have never seen a BBQ......the "Barra" will be delicious...... we had mixed drinks at the Darwin Yacht club watching the sunset and got about five hours sleep over the 48 hours, then we got back on the plane to Melbourne . Now, due to it's low standing on the pecking order of Airports and some other reason I can't remember flights into Darwin tend to arrive in a bunch, generally around 11-midnight and tend to leave at about 1-2am.......

That means that a two day stay, with little sleep and a busy schedule of drinking  is guaranteed to upset your body clock and general function for a good length of time ..I only need to hear "Darwin" and I involuntarily run my hand through my hair and shudder .

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on May 30, 2010, 07:43:12 PM
I think my Dad had a similar reaction to Darwin. He was there in the Navy at the end of WW2.

He spoke of the bugs that plagued their lives on the ship, of earning extra money by washing out peoples sweaty hammocks in the showers, and of crew members fillings falling out from siphon petrol with their mouths.

Needless to say he never went back.

Dik
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on June 02, 2010, 07:20:46 AM
The heads turned up today , and they look just like the photos funnily enough......
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/stage3wollerwockergirdle.jpg)

So, we'll be selling the cam we used this year (hey, it's only done about 30 miles) as it is a profile ground for hydraulic lifters and getting a billet cam most likely something like this one....but specifically for the solid lifters and bigger valves


Profile          Actuation             Make/Model           R/Ratio
          1644a            Roller Follower Holden V6  3.8              In1.6 Ex 1.6
          --------------------------------------------------------------------------
           Cam Lift   Duration    Duration   Valve   Valve    Lift      Phase
                       Adv           @050     Clr    Lift     tdc        <)
          --------------------------------------------------------------------------
  Intake     361        300        249      0.016    0.5616    113        107
  Exhaust    361        300        249      0.016    0.5616    098
          --------------------------------------------------------------------------

                             Timing                  Timing
                             Adv                    @ 0.05
                          Open      Close        Open      Close
           Exhaust      77 Bbdc     43 Atdc      53 Bbdc   16 Atdc

           Intake       40 Btdc     80 Abdc      19 Btdc    50 Abdc

                                83                  35
                          Deg Over-lap        Deg Over-lap

                 Intake Centreline  105.5        Exhaust Centreline  108.5


we considered it for this year, the extra expense of it having to be cut from fresh stock as opposed to a regrind was the decider on top it being pretty extreme when we had close to stock heads........So that means another set of push rods........

So , we're getting there now. This year we fell short of the 200 mark , let down by an oiling system and lifters that really, were made for grocery getters.... we had more comp , we had a cam designed to make power higher in the rev range, a better inlet and exhaust but we still had stock valves, stock lifters and stock rockers.

For next year we're hoping the motor will still be pulling past 7000rpm, we hoped that this year, but for next year we'll be a little more confident. So with the 2.77:1 diff and the 28inch tyres our co-efficient of speed is about .0301mph per revolution...... 7 grand with no wheel slip will give us a bit over 210, 7200? a bit over 216 and 7500 will get us to 225 or so... I'm thinking 215 would be pretty ambitious for next year......... for 2011 we'll be going down a few steps final drive wise to 2.41:1 and those speeds would translate to about 241,248,259.

Now , I'll be the first to admit that's a grey area as to whether our motor will pull that ratio .......but when we put the blower on it we might just have a chance....

"some may say I'm a dreamer"

The Colonel dropped over on the weekend and we went out and stared at the tank, we talked about the way it drove this year....how i'd given it a fair bit of toe-in. We reasoned that was a bad idea....and that the steering train could be better. Currently we have a steering box from a VW van, but when we were building the Rev bought a rack from a 911 that has the pinion at right angles in the centre. The Colonel insists we'd be way better off with it, we rejected it during the build because the boots would hang outside the bodywork. To be dead honest I'm not in any hurry to drive the car the way it was this year at any speed much above what I was doing.....I'm a thrillseeker , but there are limits.

So I'm gonna have a look around at Stilletto racks as well, the 911 rack is fine , but it's big, if we can fit it all inside the tank it would be a whole lot tidier aero wise.

That's it for now folks.....
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on June 02, 2010, 10:45:21 AM

To be dead honest I'm not in any hurry to drive the car the way it was this year at any speed much above what I was doing.....I'm a thrillseeker , but there are limits.



What was it doing?---was it doing its "own" walk-a-bout?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on June 02, 2010, 06:34:49 PM
What was it doing?---was it doing its "own" walk-a-bout?
well kinda, the first hundred miles were "bucket chain" where they were handed man to man , then they put them in a papyrus crib and floated them about fifty miles , then there was the camel section , then the bit where they tied each one to fifty carrier pigeons , closely followed by the magic carpet part, that got it as far as Alice Springs , where I probably don't need to point out to you they attached a large spring to each one and dribbled them down the Sturt highway.....

They were posted , 2511 miles at $1 a llb...........
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on June 02, 2010, 10:17:49 PM
What was it doing?---was it doing its "own" walk-a-bout?
well kinda, the first hundred miles were "bucket chain" where they were handed man to man , then they put them in a papyrus crib and floated them about fifty miles , then there was the camel section , then the bit where they tied each one to fifty carrier pigeons , closely followed by the magic carpet part, that got it as far as Alice Springs , where I probably don't need to point out to you they attached a large spring to each one and dribbled them down the Sturt highway.....

They were posted , 2511 miles at $1 a llb...........

You mailed the car down the salt?  Well, don't that take the rag off'n the bush . . .
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on June 03, 2010, 07:07:02 PM
got some more ink...

http://www.fuelzine.com/issue-04

that's four mags this year...gonna need some new tricks to stay in the running next year.
Title: Sorry Bill!
Post by: Dr Goggles on June 05, 2010, 10:24:28 PM

To be dead honest I'm not in any hurry to drive the car the way it was this year at any speed much above what I was doing.....I'm a thrillseeker , but there are limits.



What was it doing?---was it doing its "own" walk-a-bout?

Ahhhh, my apologies Bill, I thought you were talking about the heads!!!!!!!....I notice you did an edit......including the first line, once again sorry...the attempt at humor probably came across as being snippy.....I was taking the P out of our postal service, I probably wasn't exaggerating much...now, down to the bizzo.

The car was "live" from third gear on. The track was rougher this year than last and there was a stronger prevailing wind but I think the reason was more than likely that I had given the car more toe in than last year and the actual alignment was probably less than satisfactory. It didn't seem to like it. Last year the car was incredibly straight, I'm not kidding , if there was room you could have put your hands behind your head....It was a case of steer it where you wanted it to be on the track, there was no troublesome feedback through the system. This year it was a handful , two , actually. On my first fast run it hit a bit of rough track, then got belted by the wind and then I spun the rears and each time it went full almost width, a complete contrast to the previous years behavior when I just tooled down the right hand side of the track with the markers whizzing by. In the 190's I didn't feel like I had time to do anything other than look as far as I could down the track and aim the car at that.....if I started to navigate via the markers on one side it upset the car, that's what makes me feel it was too much toe, it was making tiny darts from side to side. On the last run by the five mile I had my hands at 10 and four O'clock and was driving in long arcs.

It was fun, but it shows poor preparation to be perfectly honest with everyone here . When I said
 "I'm not in any hurry to drive the car the way it was this year at any speed much above what I was doing"

I meant that it is pointless to try and power or gear the car further if it's going to handle like that because it's more than likely going to spin, or hit a marker, or worse, a clock. That's a waste of everybody's time and effort and of the few available runs we get.Part of the problem is that the steering box is not indexed on the frame so anytime something in the pedal box or steering has to be moved it's not possible to set the steering up exactly how it was, that is just poor design on our part. The Colonel is keen to use a rack instead, that involves a pretty serious re-build in that area as it is a very busy part of the car, something I'm not in a real hurry to do.I WILL be setting the steering box up so it cannot move.

That was theory one. Theory two that I have involves increased engine vibration.....................

I'm going out there today to do some housework and have a bit of a stare at the car...... I'll let you all know how it goes....

got another mention in "Cruzin" magazine...I've tried to post it but it came up as a tif image, photobucket won't take it....any tips? 
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: wobblywalrus on June 06, 2010, 01:42:05 AM
Are you scanning your picture and saving it to a file?
Title: Re: Sorry Bill!
Post by: Rob on June 06, 2010, 03:21:10 AM

got another mention in "Cruzin" magazine...I've tried to post it but it came up as a tif image, photobucket won't take it....any tips? 
Doc,

You should be able to change the destination file type when you scan the image.

If you grabbed the image off the net & saved it to your PC, open it there and then "Save As". When the window comes up, change the file type to jpeg and save.

If you don't get that option, right click the image icon, choose "Open with" then open it with Paint and do the above.

Cheers,
Rob
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on June 17, 2010, 10:14:52 PM
OK, it still looks crap but here it is ....maybe I'll get better at this caper....scanning mags that is...anyway here is a picture curiously captioned as me driving when I am in fact unmistakebly pushing the car off the line with the good Reverend driving.Next to me and looking like he's about to get a cake-hole full is our mate Nigel Beggs. Now for those wondering about the "soft" record, well there has only ever been one car running in E/GL out here before and we are doing our best to make it respectable, to be precise the Rev actually runs in E/FL ....we hope to "smash" the record again next year and are bleeding bucks at this very moment with that end in sight....

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/TankStreetrodding.jpg)

It was last week I put in a call to a certain "Bill" in Phoenix......there was a bit of hollerin' as Sparky realised it was me calling all the way from Melbourne Australia, Sparky has been -extremely helpful as advisor on the GM 10bolt diff we are going to use, the same that he has used in the Ratical. Beyond that he has been great in allowing us to use his place to marshall the various bits that are going to be freighted over to Australia after this years season at Bonneville.

Our favorite Pommy car nut in Milwaukee has been a great help too. Some vendors in the states won't ship O/S and Chris has been great with Milwaukee Freight Forwarders....I can buy some parts I need in the States for half the price retailers ask here, sorry did I say retailers?....I meant  thieves............

I'm still trying to find the right solid roller lifters for our motor, but have received an offer of some sponsorship for machine work and design on the valve train that we need....it's comin' along folks....
Title: New Video
Post by: Dr Goggles on June 18, 2010, 07:37:20 AM
OK , so it's missing  down low, but it gets going and finally hauls...here's a new video of the car running at the 09 meet...Thanks to Scotty Taylor for putting this one up, yes the same Scott who we bought the bottom end from....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQtW-eMPnto
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: wobblywalrus on June 18, 2010, 10:41:27 PM
That's really nice.  A video can say what words and still pictures cannot.  2011 looks like it will be a good year. 
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on June 19, 2010, 12:12:20 AM
What it said to me was
It's running on five and as it's not an Audi or a VW I need to lift my game
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on June 19, 2010, 12:54:06 AM
What it said to me was
It's running on five and as it's not an Audi or a VW I need to lift my game
G

At least I got the shifts relatively cleanly, the other video where the elusive sixth cylinder has come to the party and the motor sounds good has the Rev playing a fresh air shot on both shifts....

I hoisted the motor this morning. I had noticed last w/e that one of the gearbox tags seemed a bit sloppy. When I took the gearbox off I undid it to find that no , it hadn't stripped the thread ( yes that bizarre 9/32 UNF that is found on them and NOWHERE else) rather it hadn't had a washer on it and thus even though the nut was tight it couldn't tighten against the tag.....It's much better now, it probably had a few degrees of movement in it and in a shift linkage that's not insignificant.

So, I did that and went to the Post Office....when I got back there was oil all over the floor :oops:....the breather had been pointed down when I flipped the box over and so it's a fresh batch of oil for next year....for the record it looked like new.

The other worrying thing that I found was that the flywheel was, once again , loose. Although we had used stud lock the cap heads that secure the flywheel adapter had a turn on them....this may have contributed to the poor vision that I earlier mentioned may have been due to fine vibration.There was no apparent damage,but those cap heads are going in the bin.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: pookie on June 19, 2010, 01:25:23 AM
   Hi Dr. G, Why don't you saftey wire those flywheel bolts along with the use of "loctite"? Bet that will solve the problem..... Mike R.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on June 19, 2010, 02:46:52 AM
Hey Goggs
Now you have it out, I guess I should come and get it
Can you measure how far the tags on the gearbox move
I have somethink in mind
g
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on June 19, 2010, 03:22:11 AM
  Hi Dr. G, Why don't you safety wire those flywheel bolts along with the use of "loctite"? Bet that will solve the problem..... Mike R.

there is no way to do that. The cap heads are recessed in the adapter so that they don't foul the inner edge of the flywheel.... It's a mongrel arrangement that I think we have been lucky to get away with ,

I have just put a fixed search on fleabay for a "manual" crank. The version of the motor we have came, strangely, with crankshafts that differed , at the flywheel end. See here.....

http://forums.justcommodores.com.au/v6-development-modification/63206-v6-crankshaft-info.html

The auto version ends flush with the block whereas the manual has a large boss . We have an auto version and so we have an adapter pictured a few pages back..Since we started this has given me heartburn for a number of reasons, the obvious one is that there is another connection that can( and does ) come loose and secondly we are flicked if we know if we have the balance absolutely right. There isn't enough room on the adapter to fit dowels in and after having another look at it just then I noticed that it has galled against the crank...............

If we get a manual crank we can have it balanced WITH the flywheel attached ....that would mean we knew it was properly balanced AND it wasn't going to get loose and possibly let go, which would give us a whole lot more problems than we have now....
Hey Goggs
Now you have it out, I guess I should come and get it
Can you measure how far the tags on the gearbox move
I have somethink in mind
g

The gearbox tags move the same distance as standard, or possibly less, definitely not more. Make sure you call me before you drop over...so I can make sure I'm out :roll:

Something else I noticed in my travels . I looked down the header where I had put the vac-u-pan line in the collector and noticed that the chamfered off side is pointing up-stream......I thoughtit was supposed to go the other way, now , I do know after putting my finger on the line once when it was running that it makes SERIOUS vacuum even at low revs , but can someone confirm which way is better for it to face?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on June 19, 2010, 04:06:44 AM
Well, no sooner said than done....I found a completed sale of a manual motor, sent the guy a query as to whether the sale had gone through and he replied that yes  it had but he had another disassembled manual bottom end, and despite this huge country of ours he lives 20 mins away.....

Someone is smiling on me oh great God of Speed!

I then had a quick chat to Scotty( he put the video up and sold us the motor ) he's in town as his little boy has been in and out of hospital......he used to drag race and it was his journalism that took him out to the lake .....he just confessed that he has the bug, and he has it bad...........he's building a salt car and it'll be a turboed V6.......
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Nexxussian on June 19, 2010, 08:59:51 AM
Hooray for the new crank, I hope it's everything you want it to be. :)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on June 19, 2010, 10:49:27 AM
The stars are in alignment down under!

Doc, I know you have a lot of time, effort and sweat tied up in that adapter, and you did a great job on it, but I'm resting a lot easier knowing that it's out of the mix.

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on June 20, 2010, 09:38:30 AM

If we get a manual crank we can have it balanced WITH the flywheel attached ....that would mean we knew it was properly balanced AND it wasn't going to get loose and possibly let go, which would give us a whole lot more problems than we have now....

So, the same as the crank in the motor that's lying in your back yard then

The gearbox tags move the same distance as standard, or possibly less, definitely not more. Make sure you call me before you drop over...so I can make sure I'm out :roll:
Good, so you will be dropping it over here then

Something else I noticed in my travels . I looked down the header where I had put the vac-u-pan line in the collector and noticed that the chamfered off side is pointing up-stream......I thoughtit was supposed to go the other way, now , I do know after putting my finger on the line once when it was running that it makes SERIOUS vacuum even at low revs , but can someone confirm which way is better for it to face?
A reverse venturi?
Or to quote blackboard
Upside down miss Jane
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on June 20, 2010, 08:18:46 PM

If we get a manual crank we can have it balanced WITH the flywheel attached ....that would mean we knew it was properly balanced AND it wasn't going to get loose and possibly let go, which would give us a whole lot more problems than we have now....

So, the same as the crank in the motor that's lying in your back yard then

The gearbox tags move the same distance as standard, or possibly less, definitely not more. Make sure you call me before you drop over...so I can make sure I'm out :roll:
Good, so you will be dropping it over here then

Something else I noticed in my travels . I looked down the header where I had put the vac-u-pan line in the collector and noticed that the chamfered off side is pointing up-stream......I thoughtit was supposed to go the other way, now , I do know after putting my finger on the line once when it was running that it makes SERIOUS vacuum even at low revs , but can someone confirm which way is better for it to face?
A reverse venturi?
Or to quote blackboard
Upside down miss Jane
G


na , the motor under the fig tree is an eight bolt crank.......we need the six bolt, large boss....... LS-1 solid lifters on the way.......Have also thought about Sandrew's offer of some HPC coating...I'm going to make another vac-u-pan for the other header before we get that done.....And yeah , I'll get the motor to you once I have various things done....hey, I wasn't expecting anyone to help. :wink:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on June 21, 2010, 11:49:35 PM
Quote
At least I got the shifts relatively cleanly, the other video where the elusive sixth cylinder has come to the party and the motor sounds good has the Rev playing a fresh air shot on both shifts....

I guess I need to tell the folks out there that that run was the first time I had ever driven the car on the salt as I did not get the runs on the test track and was even towed to the start line after a fuel overflow issue stopped me driving there.

I think a pause on the gear changes was OK, especially compared to my disastrous run this year of putting it into the wrong gear!

I say this as a warning to all racers, especially in Oz where we don't get many chances to run: take your time to learn the instrument before you play hard. Starting at 125mph is still pretty fast, and at 25mph increments serious speed will soon be your environment and you need more than your everyday wits about you should something go wrong. I was stupid not to practice more prior to running and lucky to get away with it for just missing a gear and pulling out of the run this year.

Don't worry all, next year I will be sitting in the cockpit for hours getting that body memory in place. Then some practice runs. We tend to get all antsy about getting a run and throw good practice out of the window, especially with rain shortened weeks and lots of competitors. But now with the GPS track there is no excuse to not to take the time and get comforatble with everything before taking it to the next level.

 
No excuses,

rh+
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on June 22, 2010, 08:29:26 AM
So very important with the things we "PLAY" with.

---lots of seat time in the shop---

I call it "dirt dancing". Refering to the moves sky divers do while rehearsing, "relative work"; manuvers involving other people while free falling. Non jumpers will think it "funny",  because it does look strange to non jumpers, but it is very serious  I have seen jump partners refuse to jump with someone who didn't have their moves down.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on June 22, 2010, 08:50:36 PM
You've got to know the instrument before you play the song.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: wobblywalrus on June 22, 2010, 11:51:32 PM
You need to play the song to learn the limits of the instrument.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on June 23, 2010, 01:51:10 AM
Guys, guys , guys, let's not let it all get too complicated....it's as simple as the Hokey Cokey

..."ya putcha left foot in ya pull ya right hand back ya putcha right foot down and ya hurtle down the track ......stay in it 'til the seven then ya turn right out.......THAT"S WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT. HEY!

All the other stuff about the harness crushing your goolies, your eye balls getting shaken so it's hard to see and having to steer didn't really rhyme, so I left it out.....results may vary :wink:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on June 26, 2010, 08:33:55 PM
I picked up the manual motor I bought yesterday from the wreckers , couldn't start the ute, so I could move it to get to the trailer...so I got them to slot it into the back of the station wagon with a forklift. took all the ancillaries and heads off in the back off the car and then dragged it out onto a trailer plank on a box stand that I have( a rectangular box frame made from sq. tubing useful for all sorts of support jobs, different H,W and L so three different heights, uncannily useful). Then all we had to do was undo the bottom end, It all looked pretty good, bearings were all ok,  looked as though it had been maintained.

So we have a few of the little bits and pieces that we use off them ...a good loom, set of injectors that look recently serviced,another throttle body,senders,lifters, a set of pistons and rods that are in very neat condition( we won't use em in the race motor but), heads number 9 and 10( sheesh) a very straight sump and undamaged oil-pickup( rare)and a collection of fasteners that we can always use.There are also a couple of pieces of stainless pipe for transfer tubes in the cooling system which are always useful.And, a manual crank which together with the flywheel , harmonic balancer and pressure plate will be going to be balanced.

Last night I paid for this......Still working out the most practical way to get it here...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260480441735&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT

We will hit the practical,affordable,scared shitless point with the car in the next year or two..hopefully we might get close to Jack Kellys 236+mph E/GL record... but at that point we will need to find something else at which to direct our attention...... We will by then have a fairly well sorted motor, big heads , good valve train very aggressive cam..... that 181 Buick crank will put us 2ci under the engine break for F class and would by any reckoning allow the motor to turn just a little faster again. When we started the build of this car there were a few people who told us we wouldn't do 200 with the V6, we shouldsee that next time we run fingers crossed, the local blown F class record is 211 or so. We're thinking it would be nice to run about 212 with a naturally aspirated F class V6....... I thiiiiiink  we might be able to do it.

That pipe dream will have to wait a few years, next racing year we will be fitting the ten bolt rear end allowing us to gear down. So we have the next four years or so laid out....
2011;E/GL 2.77:1,more power, better valve train.                                                                                                 Aiming for 215+mph
2012; E/GL , E/BGL 2.41:1 ,same N/A set-up with possible low boost blower build ( same comp 9.6:1 or down to 8.5:1)     Aiming for 235+mph
2013; F/GL 2.77:1 F class motor licensing                                                                                                            Aiming for 175+mph
2014: F/GL,F/FL,F/BGL,F/BFL                                                                                                                             Aiming for 211+mph

Over the next few years I'll be checking back on this wish-list, If I get to tick half of it off I'll know I didn't aim high enough.

Dr G

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: bones on July 02, 2010, 05:31:30 AM
Hey Doc
  talk to Greg Watters or Norm Hardinge-They have a container going

cheers Bones
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: maj on July 08, 2010, 04:21:04 AM
Gone or Norm would have missed Speedweek
Rest of us are not making an appearance till Bubs
Doc do you think we can lable it as a motorcycle crank  :-Dl
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on July 08, 2010, 08:16:30 PM
Gone or Norm would have missed Speedweek
Rest of us are not making an appearance till Bubs
Doc do you think we can lable it as a motorcycle crank  :-Dl

Yeah, what we needed to put in a container has gone with Norm,he's been very helpful. He's pitting with Doug Odom and there'll be a double suitcase switch going on with our sparky at some time....

Meanwhile other things are happening on the ground here, the rockers have arrived and so the heads will be going to have the pedestals set up ......

It's been a busy week here, The Rev has some news on work , we had some family business and tomorrow we start a big replaster in the front of the house ...in the meantime I'm trying to get my little "Think Tank" bellytank mailer going too........

never a dull moment. :roll:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on July 21, 2010, 10:11:11 PM
Must be about time for an update......

The 181 ci crank is on it's way courtesy of Milwaukee freight forwarders. The adjustable roller/roller tip rockers are here courtesy of same. The second hand firesuit bought from Kiwi craig has been re-certified by Deist and is currently winging it's way here too..... The rules are a hot topic at the moment and as it stood I believe that the suit we had DID pass the expected level as we aren't front engined nor do we run a blower and we used nomex underwear with it....however as we go faster the risk of upset and the time it takes to stop and exit the car increase and so there really is no argument against having the best protection available.

The rockers need some basic mods so they'll fit the heads we have, a local mob who specialize in our motor have offered to do it for us so long as we say nice things about them..... I have also found the people who will do the balancing we need for the replacement crank for next years motor( the 232 not the 181).

We have had the headers and the underside of our inlet manifold coated with HPC stainless steel ceramic....  Am also hoping to speak to a rep soon from a certain oil company about anti foaming compounds and whether they might be able to give us a sump or so full of oil .

On another front I got an email from Street Machine one of the big car mags here the other day asking whether we'd be interested in them doing a feature on the tank for their "Hot Rod Annual"...., "yeah, sure ! that'd be great!...the next day I get another email..." do you want to write it doctor?"....... As the Colonel put it ..."does this mean you get paid to write about yourself?"...in short , yes. It will be photo's by Simon Davidson from this years meet and the story that in reality I have told.....hundreds of times.....

As usual I have about ten different things on the boil at once....last night I spoke to one of our salty mates Dirty Dave and we agreed...better busy than anything else...otherwise we'd just be in, or making trouble..... :wink: :wink:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on July 22, 2010, 06:02:09 AM
Well
I'm coming over
To Bonneville that is

G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on July 26, 2010, 08:00:13 AM
Here's a video from inside the cab of me doing 160.145mph in 2009....it's not much of a vid but you get the idea.......I think you can here the motor start missing at about 2.00 as the computer was killing the ignition at 5200rpm...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3yYU1hbgjI
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on July 26, 2010, 09:03:23 AM
Doc, smooths out nicely about a 100.... a little more track and a little less sun when you mount the camera next year.....  :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on July 26, 2010, 09:24:08 AM
Doc, smooths out nicely about a 100.... a little more track and a little less sun when you mount the camera next year.....  :-D


Yep that was me, mounting the camera that is. A Panasonic Lumix zip tied onto the roll cage. not much focus or aiming  going on
Hopefully someone will put the Rev's run up on youtube. very entertaining
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank actual build related content!
Post by: grumm441 on July 28, 2010, 12:39:50 AM
Well

I picked up the header pipes today from Competition Coatings in Coburg  (shameless new sponsor plug)
They look heaps better, and less rusty. I had them and the underside of the inlet manifold ceramic coated
This should be where i go on about the thermal abilities of the coating, however the real advantage will be
that the coating will not burn off and fill the car with paint fumes unlike the coating previously applied by a nameless individual
G

(http://)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on July 28, 2010, 07:08:06 PM
Oooooooh - SHINEY!

I think the idea is to go fast enough to leave the stink behind you. :-D

New heads, new rockers, I understand there is a new crank making it's way to Melbourne - This thrash is starting early this year.

Feather - never lift.

Chris

Oh, and Grummy - I've got a used Lucas Sport coil I can send your way - still has all the smoke in it. :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on July 28, 2010, 07:36:41 PM
This should be where i go on about the thermal abilities of the coating, however the real advantage will be
that the coating will not burn off and fill the car with paint fumes unlike the coating previously applied by a nameless individual
G

fair cop, I painted the headers with what I bought as "exhaust paint"...it was only as I finished spraying them that I looked at the can to see that it was vinyl paint , or underpants paint or something like that that had been put on the wrong part of the shelf... :roll:...anyway, it was me that had to sit through it burning off so I dunno what yous are complaining about ...it was a heady mix of something electrical burning out and hair on fire......
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank actual build related content!
Post by: grumm441 on July 28, 2010, 07:43:06 PM
Well

I picked up the header pipes today from Competition Coatings in Coburg  (shameless new sponsor plug)
They look heaps better, and less rusty. I had them and the underside of the inlet manifold ceramic coated
This should be where i go on about the thermal abilities of the coating, however the real advantage will be
that the coating will not burn off and fill the car with paint fumes unlike the coating previously applied by a nameless individual
G

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on August 03, 2010, 12:59:25 AM
Progress: I have just ordered the new cam for the motor.....this year we used the VN1365a , a hydraulic cam.......a regrind . This new cam is a solid profile which needs to be ground on a new billet

....of course it's expensive

W A D E   C A M S H A F T S    P  T Y   L T D
     

           Profile          Actuation             Make/Model           R/Ratio
          1644a            Roller Follower Holden V6  3.8              In1.6 Ex 1.6
          --------------------------------------------------------------------------
           Cam Lift   Duration    Duration   Valve   Valve    Lift      Phase
                       Adv           @050     Clr    Lift     tdc        <)
          --------------------------------------------------------------------------
  Intake     361        300        249      0.016    0.5616    113        107
  Exhaust    361        300        249      0.016    0.5616    098
          --------------------------------------------------------------------------

                             Timing                  Timing
                             Adv                    @ 0.05
                          Open      Close        Open      Close
           Exhaust      77 Bbdc     43 Atdc      53 Bbdc   16 Atdc

           Intake       40 Btdc     80 Abdc      19 Btdc    50 Abdc

                                83                  35
                          Deg Over-lap        Deg Over-lap

                 Intake Centreline  105.5        Exhaust Centreline  108.5


what it does mean is we have the ability now to build a lower comp(8.5:1) 3litre version of the motor we ran this year as we are hanging on to all the parts we have used thus far.....the full size version will have the new cam, solid lifters, roller tip/roller rockers 9.6:1 and the stage three heads I have bought this year.........

Yeah, I know, It's about time we broke something............ :roll:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Freud on August 03, 2010, 01:06:32 AM
Dr Googs, if u are gonna break it, at least run fast enough to qualify against the existing record.

FREUD
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on August 03, 2010, 02:09:51 AM
Dr Googs, if u are gonna break it, at least run fast enough to qualify against the existing record.
FREUD

Hey Ferd, if you mean Jack Kelly's that won't be this year.....but if you're talkin' about the local record then I'll be running right past it, straight up....... bigger cam, better heads........ I'm getting ahead of meself.............
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on August 07, 2010, 03:26:33 AM
I got the 181ci crankshaft that I bought from Sandusky Ohio today....it came courtesy of Milwaukee Freight Forwarders , much thanks to the Milwaukee Midget and his burgeoning business.

I've given it a look over and it seems it is identical except that the rod journals are a little smaller. We need longer rods , the comp yet to be decided...I'd like to get it internally balanced and some nice rods and pistons .....if we get it to rev to 8000.... :-D

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/P8070139.jpg)

I spoke to the guy who ground the cam we used this year and he told us if we ran .008 clearance on the valves we could run solid lifters on it, so that cam will go into the 181.We'll use the heads from this years motor too. I took the heads that I bought recently with me when I went and saw the guy who is going to modify the LS-1 adjustable roller rockers I bought (via Milwaukee Freight Forwarders of course) and he gave them the thumbs up , saying he hadn't seen many jobs on these models of quite the same consistency , liked the chamber work and said the guy who did the ports must've wrecked a few before he got that good on the exhausts, as there isn't much meat in a few spots on the stock casting.So that was good to hear.

On another front I finally got the motor out and put it on a trolley. That meant I could put the car on the high stands and take the front tub off....as I got it outside I noticed it was bashed in under the nose....it must have been when I got airborne on the last run, looks like its taken a bit of force, the car didn't mind it a bit at the time..(shook me up a bit) so it was a good sign. Under the skin at that point the 1/4 inch floor turns up a little like a canoe so even if it did open the body up...or as we planned it for the suspension collapsing or a wheel going AWOL  it doesn't have any way of digging in.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on August 07, 2010, 11:53:55 PM
A little editing of the novella -


I got the 181ci crankshaft that I bought from Sandusky Ohio today....it came courtesy of Milwaukee Freight Forwarders , much thanks to the Milwaukee Midget and his burgeoning business.


. . . the wry Australian said, in a humorous attempt to implicate the little beer boy in a vast international autoparts smuggling syndicate that clearly doesn't exist.  :wink:

Sincerely,

Milwaukee Midget aka
Leavenworth LeRoy
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on August 12, 2010, 10:36:20 AM
Not much happening in Wendover at 8:30am on a Thursday
So Goggs what are you doing right now
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on August 12, 2010, 11:01:57 AM
Hey Grumm. I'll be therethis afternoon sometime. Look for a P-38 Belly Tank in the back of my pickup. Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on August 12, 2010, 11:04:41 PM
Not much happening in Wendover at 8:30am on a Thursday
So Goggs what are you doing right now
G

Must've had a premonition...came here to see if you posted or to get the web-line for your p'bucket and ...well here you are

Boy oh boy do I wish I was there right now....for the obvious, and not so obvious reasons...work is heeeeelllllllllllll.........

OK you are the ambassador for the SOS team , I'm sure you'll do us proud.....be a good boy and wear your lip balm, that cracked lip you had at Gairdner was painful to look at... give my email address to anyone you see with a tank for the Think Tank forum..., The Rev's great flyer was about a week too late...

Now,
To all at Speedweek, If you see Grumm with two empty hands, do the right thing ...and
GIVE 'IM A BEER :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on August 12, 2010, 11:25:53 PM
This being AFD3. 
Goggs, email me so I can get your address
On my phone.
Wayno. I'm in motorcycle tech probably
Until Saturday. Me in m/c tech on a salt
Lake! Who would have thought.
Well at least they have shade here
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: generatorshovel on August 12, 2010, 11:26:59 PM
Not much happening in Wendover at 8:30am on a Thursday
So Goggs what are you doing right now
G
You lucky , lucky b*star* grumm, the closest I can get to a whiteout is perving on my plaster voodoo wingtank nose mould in the sun.
wattayagonnabuild now ?
Tiny
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on August 12, 2010, 11:37:58 PM
A garage
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Nexxussian on August 13, 2010, 12:54:24 AM
Hey Grumm. I'll be therethis afternoon sometime. Look for a P-38 Belly Tank in the back of my pickup. Wayno

Yep, he's here, I seen 'im.  :-D

Well, the truck and tank at least, have yet to spot the man hisself.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on August 13, 2010, 08:57:42 AM
Yep. Im here. I finally figured out how to log in on my laptop. I'll start looking for you clowns. Weather was really nice yesterday. Caravanned with Klessig, he in his '52 Chevy Convertible. My laptop won't work away from the Motel 6 but I'll spot check. Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on August 14, 2010, 12:53:34 AM
And Wayno makes s nice porter ale
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on August 14, 2010, 02:13:16 AM
And Wayno makes s nice porter ale
G

I take it that means you have already dispensed with the formalities and cut straight to the important part.....

I just spoke to Sim' Davidson he's in Knoxsville at the Speedway...he'll be there Saturday I think...he's staying at the Peppermill......

It's freezing in Melbourne, blowing a gale....I know where I'd rather be......
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on August 15, 2010, 05:45:46 PM
Well?....any news there Colonel?
Title: I found him....!!!
Post by: Dr Goggles on August 15, 2010, 07:16:22 PM
...this shot appeared on the DLRA site, I gather it was nicked from the BNI site, thanks to whoever shot it........most importantly it shows our Colonel in motorcycle scrutineering....... yeah that's him in the background there orange hat thinking "gee, I wish I was freezing my A%&*#@% off in Melbourne right now.....

(http://www.scta-bni.org/Bonneville/SpeedWeek_10/photos/photos_12/Set_3/IM001776.JPG)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on August 16, 2010, 07:17:57 PM
I am not convinced that's him...
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on August 17, 2010, 12:53:12 AM
Yep. That's me
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on August 17, 2010, 01:03:56 AM
Hey! Did you see Norm's run? Must be a good mood in that camp...

d
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on August 17, 2010, 01:51:22 AM
Yep. That's me
Crikey , stop blabbing on, you're just using up valuable bandwidth ya chatterbox... :roll:


I can't wait til you get home.....
"so, how was it Colonel ?, tell us all about it!!!!!"

"Yeeeep, it was good.............."

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on August 17, 2010, 02:03:16 AM
More commonly its, "Meh."
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on August 17, 2010, 02:07:45 AM
More commonly its, "Meh."

give him some credit, most of the time he clears his throat after the "meh"...."meh....ahem"...

ya know that's almost a pallindrome....and no Stan that has nothing to do with Sarah... :roll:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on August 17, 2010, 10:17:14 AM
 8-)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Geo on August 17, 2010, 10:27:40 AM
I am sure it's him.  He is the closest one to the girl.  Sliding that way I'm sure.  Looks as if he is closer to the girl than the bike he is inspecting!  :wink:

However to be positive there is a test.  Place a beer in the vicinity and we will know for sure.  :cheers:

Geo
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on August 20, 2010, 01:00:29 PM
Axle goodies are in the trailer as of last Friday afternoon
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on August 20, 2010, 03:58:44 PM
Well.
Bonneville is over for this year and I'm sitting on a deck chair
around the pool at the hotel deciding what to do next
I have until the 27 th
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: generatorshovel on August 20, 2010, 04:19:26 PM
Goodonya graham, rub it in why dontcha,,lol
I'm nearing the end of a friday N/S  :lol:
Tiny
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: penny on August 20, 2010, 09:14:50 PM
grumm still at work re scrutineering the vincent
http://picasaweb.google.com.au/117444571681044559405/BonnyTrip2010?authkey=Gv1sRgCNqA9_CKlY7yuAE&feat=email#5506597295759009234
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Freud on August 20, 2010, 09:33:49 PM
Googles, you were exposed to me by one of your Down Between brothers.

H ell, I already had that figured out.

FREUD
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: maj on August 20, 2010, 10:18:31 PM
Grumm you could have added a couple of more days and seen some of the Bubs event
Were are you flying in and out of ? were into San Fran on Monday morn and probably be at Wendover on the eve of the 27th 
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on August 20, 2010, 11:30:04 PM
Ohooo!   :cheers: did that Mr. V sound good as he pulled off!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on August 21, 2010, 01:18:32 AM
OK, OK ......you're all sounding a little hysterical... you Fording pack of Pontiacing Bedfords......I wish I was there......I WISH I WAS THERE!!!!!!!! I know the exhilaration at the end of a salt meet, trailers full of broken things, new records...a bag full of dirty clothes and a shipload of new photos...

Firstly congratulations to Mal and his team for obliterating the old M/VG 1350 record , what a beautiful bike, what a nice bloke.

Secondly Ferd and Bill. I will get there, I hope you approved of our friends and that their behavior was exemplary. :wink:

Third.....Bill you're a blinkin' marvel the things you've done for us, we will repay you over and over.

Over and out from wintry Melbourne.................
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on August 21, 2010, 08:30:54 AM
Grumm, you're welcome for a visit to the RODGE MAHAL. From there you can go on some super drives to get back to your plane. I would even consider parting with another P-38 PORTER.  :cheers: I'll be home late this evening. Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on August 21, 2010, 01:07:12 PM
Wayno
That would be great
But just where is the Rodge Mahal
G :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stan Back on August 21, 2010, 02:19:33 PM
In the middle of, the middle of, nowhere.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on August 21, 2010, 04:49:30 PM
In the middle of, the middle of, nowhere.

So either he's at lake Gairdiner or where I just came
From
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on August 21, 2010, 11:37:48 PM
Wayno
That would be great
But just where is the Rodge Mahal
G :cheers:
Salina, Utah. It's 250 Southeast of Wendover. Do you still have my cell phone number? Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stan Back on August 23, 2010, 11:21:08 AM
Elmo --

You should post those tank pictures you showed me so everyone could be as impressed as I was.

And the Street Roadster?  I think I saw a spin -- was that after the weight added?

Stan
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on August 25, 2010, 11:12:44 PM
Wayno. Sorry can't make it. I kinda headed the other way
I'm in Burbank tonight.  Bored.
Off to the Peterson tommorow. Then who knows.
Got a day to kill
On the plane on Friday night. Home on Sunday
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on August 25, 2010, 11:37:52 PM
Grumm, that's cool. Just an offer to try to flesh out your trip. Did you get to the NHRA Museum?
Stan, it spun again after the weight. Same place. Around the 4. Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on August 26, 2010, 01:43:09 AM
NHRA museum?
I am now
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Lynchy on August 26, 2010, 04:07:04 AM
Grumm

We got to the Peterson last saturday, lots of cars, not so many bikes for you.

Do you know if the french compressed air powered streamliner got to run??

Lynchy
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on August 26, 2010, 08:50:43 AM
Grumm
Do you know if the french compressed air powered streamliner got to run??

I saw it make a very low speed pass. Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on August 26, 2010, 09:42:09 AM
We were at the line Friday morning when the compressed-air 'liner made a run.  A full two-mile run (that's where it ran out of air) yielded about 60 mph.

I think they might need a long air hose hooked up to the compressor   :roll:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on August 30, 2010, 07:22:53 PM
 Yesterday I spent an hour on the phone with Simon Davidson a photographer who'd just got back from three weeks in the States , and of course Speedweek.He was stunned by Speedweek. I asked him who he met...hahahahahahaha,

"I had this guy sidle up who I'm not sure had heard me speak or whether he was interested in my gear but he asked me if I knew two guys who ran a little red and white bellytank "downunder"....."

"Er that'd be Rev Hedgash and Dr Goggles, I know them well, particularly Goggles..."

It was Freud .....and if Simon didn't encrypt his photo's so cleverly I'd post the photo he sent me of Freud at the four mile, it's an absolute classic .

I said to Simon..." that's a guy who hasn't mellowed with age"....
he said ,
"I met a few of them"

Simon has been going to the salt here for a while but he was completely bewildered by the size of Speedweek and the number of roadsters, people , spectators......... I think he really "gets it" now.

I sent a text to the Colonel last night ......"Well?"....he replied this morning "what?"

I'm going to need to tie him up to get the story of his Speedweek out of him, maybe if I ply him with good local beer he'll be a little more forthcoming... :cheers:

Good luck at BUB guys , especially you Aussies

 
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on August 30, 2010, 10:09:50 PM
Me? Forthcoming?
Hah

G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Freud on August 30, 2010, 10:47:00 PM
Goggles, was that the twit that had the high heels and pink lace head band?

FREUD
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on August 30, 2010, 11:14:44 PM
Dr Goggles sed "I'm going to need to tie him up to get the story of his Speedweek out of him, maybe if I ply him with good local beer he'll be a little more forthcoming..."

I fear it will take more than that. He's been spoiled with a P-38 Porter from the ELMO RODGE BREWERY. There's no going back.  :lol: :cheers: Wayno

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: RayTheRat on August 31, 2010, 08:36:13 AM
Elmo, I'm gonna send them revenooers after ya.  Better hide the vat and the still.  :) 
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on August 31, 2010, 09:54:53 AM
You coppers will never take me alive! (Insert crazed laughter here.)  :cheers: Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Kiwi Paul on August 31, 2010, 04:02:34 PM
So, Wayno, I get Belly Tank pics but no Porter?Looks like I`ll have to get my Fedora, White Spats and Gatling Gun out and leap into the Packard.....yoooou dirty rat......
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on August 31, 2010, 04:59:07 PM
An oversight, I assure you, Paul. Next time.  :cheers: WOS or World Finals? Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on August 31, 2010, 08:17:07 PM
Goggles, was that the twit that had the high heels and pink lace head band?
FREUD
Na, this guy had shots on the salt, not from the hotel room :roll:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on September 04, 2010, 08:22:35 PM
Ok, as of last night the preparations for 2011 started in earnest, sure I've been buying bits and pieces and asking questions since the minute we got home from Speedweek 2010 but everyone knows the difference between that and " jeez we better get a wriggle on"................

Last night was my first chance to catch up with the Colonel and get the skinny on his Bonneville trip.Of course he had a fantastic time, couldn't remember all the people he met , nor all the great things he saw....
so I asked him
"Did you have fun with Wayno"?.....
" hahahaha,Wayno. is a cack"....now, all of you in the States might wonder at this one....

cack
    (slang) faeces (feces); nonsense or rubbish: "what a load of cack" could equally be used to describe someone talking nonsense or as a criticism of something of poor quality. Also spelt "kak". Derived from an ancient Indo-European word, kakkos, cognate with German word Kacke, and Welsh word "cach"
.

You rarely if ever here it used as above, rather it's part of a phrase, It's a few steps along ...The phrase is "I cacked myself"....meaning , I "soiled myself" laughing.......therefore someone who is described as "a cack"....is someone who is very funny....

Now , coming from the Colonel that's some compliment indeed, I had a feeling they'd get along.......


So anyway I had to take the motor and all the newish parts we have over to the Colonel's .......The 2010 motor, the heads , the new heads, the new manual crank, flywheel,pressure plate ( so the crank can be balanced) and a bunch of other stuff.....

As we are changing the crank to one that doesn't need a flywheel adapter the rotating assembly needs to be balanced again.....

We also have a minor issue in that the big-azz cam we want to use needs to be ground from a new billet, that's fine except that the guys who we want to have do the job can't get them big enough...the series one cam has a large flange on the front, the series two cam has instead a keyed wheel that the timing chain sprocket bolts to( much smaller). The choice was to go with another company,( more expensive not very accommodating) or change to a series two cam arrangement. In 2009 we used a series two motor which has been sitting on a trolley in my back yard , I whipped off the timing cover................... OK you know that's not true. To be honest after about half an our I tack welded a 3/4 inch nut onto the harmonic balancer and finally inched it off ........yeah, then I whipped off the timing cover. The series two has a retainer ring which bolts to the block so the only mod we have to make is to use that ring as a template and drill and tap three holes into the front of the block, pictured below is the series one where the cam is retained by goodwill, and under that the series two with the three holes.....which I guess we'll now have to refer to as the "bowling-ball-conversion"

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/P9050146.jpg)
 
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/P9050145.jpg)

we'll go with the conversion route meaning we can go with a Wade cam( the 1644a mentioned in previous posts) , that we have used before rather than use a supplier we haven't met, and wasn't too friendly when I spoke to him........

It's getting to the point where I need some serious thought put into the shelving and storage in my shed.....I spent nearly two hours looking for some lifters yesterday
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on September 04, 2010, 09:14:17 PM
Cack, huh? Heck, I would have taken it as a compliment even if you hadn't explained the last part.  :lol: Yeah. We got on fine.  :cheers: Wayno
Title: Knock sensors
Post by: Dr Goggles on September 09, 2010, 12:23:35 AM
Hi All,
we had a stock knock sensor in the motor this year, The Colonel thinks it may have been retarding our ignition and thus been responsible for the sudden loss of power we had at exactly the same speed two days running....does this tally with anyone's experience?

Any advice , anecdotes or smart-axxery appreciated.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: El Wayno on September 09, 2010, 01:19:19 AM
I have heard that knock sensors don't like some things. Gear drives are one and big cams are another. Gears click click back and forth and catch as a false signal. Big cam can do the same if the chain has a little slack. Don't know your combo so that's about it from this peanut gallery.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on September 09, 2010, 01:48:14 AM
 Big cam, 52% overbalance, no suspension, a motor that is touching the frame ...............btw: the "Peanut Gallery?".....since when wasn't I in that?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on September 09, 2010, 02:31:14 AM
Don't forget we had an untested chip too... maybe the programmer muffed the program at those revs....

rH+
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on September 09, 2010, 04:55:05 AM
Don't forget we had an untested chip too... maybe the programmer muffed the program at those revs....

rH+

unlikely
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Nexxussian on September 09, 2010, 08:31:43 AM
Any of the issues  I've heard of with stock knock sensors in modified engines have resulted from a nasty solid lifter cam (especially with larger lash, or no lash ramps) or a partially collapsed piston skirt.Not a complete list of the possibilities I'm sure.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Geo on September 09, 2010, 08:53:31 AM
I was reading on a street forum that some are unbolting the sensor, wrapping in foam and duct taping to the car body.  This keeps the sensor in the system but isolates from cam, headers, etc.  I would think running on a rough surface may set one off.  However if you have this happen at the same RPM IT'S ENGINE.

Geo
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on September 09, 2010, 09:01:24 AM
Are you sure you got retard or did it just nose over?  another comment from the PNut Gallery....

PNut Galleries are like cliques.... if you think there is one, then you are not in it....
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on September 09, 2010, 06:02:35 PM
Are you sure you got retard or did it just nose over?  another comment from the PNut Gallery....

PNut Galleries are like cliques.... if you think there is one, then you are not in it....

It's hard to say if we got retard or not, but that's what the knock sensor is alleged to do. As I wasn't driving it , and its not been on a dyno , I'm guessing. And this is one of the things that can be problematic. Other options could be injector duty cycle, lifter pump up and valve bounce.
I haven't pulled any piston out of the sump, and the motor uses a roller cam.
G :?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on September 09, 2010, 07:00:45 PM
I like Geoff's idea, and I seem to recall the Doc saying you had access to a dyno.  Might be worth an afternoon - optimize what you have, baseline the electronics and you'll have a starting point for the new cam, heads and rockers, and determine if it's the sensor.

You've got to burn up that leftover fuel in the tank, anyway, right?

And the Rev can re-learn the shift pattern.

PEEEEE NUTS - GIT CHORE PEEEEE NUTS
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on September 09, 2010, 07:49:52 PM
This would solve the shift problem and speed it up
however it may blow the budget
http://www.renagate.com/info.htm
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on September 09, 2010, 08:36:25 PM
This would solve the shift problem and speed it up
however it may blow the budget
http://www.renagate.com/info.htm
G
by the time we got that to fit we would have had to "destroy the town to save the town".....
it would be simpler and cheaper to teach someone how to shift, we're already half way there....

we won't be doing anything with this years motor before the build Chris, it is , to quote Freddy King "All Tore Down"....


geez that's a great song..........
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: wobblywalrus on September 09, 2010, 08:46:35 PM
Usually knock is an issue during lower speeds with heavier loads.  Most of the time, at real high rpm the piston speed and flame propagation speed are more in sync and knock due to improper burn is not a problem.

Keep in mind that this is another peenut gallery opinion.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on September 09, 2010, 09:10:21 PM
I read that GM had to do "stuff" with knock sensors on some of their Lemans stuff.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on September 09, 2010, 09:36:56 PM
I asked the guy who did the chip( chips , peanuts....where's my fizzy drink?) and he said no it wasn't turned off but it could be....now, I like Geo's suggestion....simple and effective. Going to slightly higher flow injectors will allow us to rule them out too,.....the word is the stock injectors will support 250HP...but that, like the rumour I just heard about the Reverend could be nothing but idle gossip.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on September 09, 2010, 10:23:58 PM
er... which rumour would that be exactly... and who freakin' told you???
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: wobblywalrus on September 10, 2010, 12:45:38 AM
Rev and Dr, this is something really Mickey Mouse that I do to figure out if sensors are working.  I hesitate to post it, but here goes.

The signals that most sensors send is to the main computer are simple, such as a change in resistance.  Looking in the manual, or by measuring a known good part, I figure out the signals when the sensor says "on" and "off."  Then I go to the electronics store and I buy enough parts to make fake sensors that say to the computer "on" and "off."  I disconnect the real sensor and I plug the fakes into the system, one at a time, and I drive or dyno the vehicle.  Some deductive reasoning tells me what I need to know.

Example.  The Triumph has a throttle position sensor on the standard carbs.  Does omitting the throttle sensor when I install new carbs affect the spark advance curve?

The standard carbs have an analog potentiometer (variable resistor) with approx 4.42 Kohms and 3.96 Kohms resistance at closed throttle between the blue and yellow and black and yellow wires, respectively.  I make a fake sensor out of some resistors with close to this resistance.  I plug it in to the ignition system.  Then I check the spark advance with a light.

Then I make another fake sensor with the different resistances that model full throttle.  This is approx 1.38 Kohms and 3.96 Kohms between the blue and yellow and black and yellow wires.  I check the timing again.  It is different.  This answers my question.  The throttle position sensor does affect ignition timing.  I buy racing carbs with the throttle sensor.  They cost more but I figure that they are worth it.

Maybe fabricating a fake sensor modeling "no knock" and making a dyno run, and making another fake sensor modeling "knock" and performing another dyno run, will tell you what you need to know.     
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank Bah, Grahams GT woo hoo
Post by: grumm441 on September 10, 2010, 07:50:01 AM
Yep I heard that rumour too
But I thought it was just a rumour
The good news is , Leigh Farrell has my 750GT engine in bits and it doesn't need a gearbox or bevel gears
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: hitz on September 10, 2010, 09:58:34 AM
My old Tec II turns the knock sensor off at 4500 rpms ( that's what it says in the book). You can also program it off. Can't you just disconnect it??

2009 speed week I couldn't get the Saturn over 5100 rpm with the stock engine in it. Oil aeration.

2010 speed week  I brought it to speed week with new cams, springs, head ports cleaned up, "improved" shift linkage and a dry sump system installed. Worked on it 5 days on the trailer but couldn't get the computer to talk to the Tec II. Finally decided to try to run it with the old program (very rich)
so unloaded it to run run it but found out it only had two speeds available in my gear box.

 Reloaded it and went home. I don't think you need any advice from this quarter.

Good luck, Harvey
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: wobblywalrus on September 11, 2010, 02:36:55 AM
One thing I learned with the Triumph throttle position sensor is that the ignition goes into a retarded default setting if I disconnect the thing.  That is something to check if you remove the anti knock sensor.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on September 11, 2010, 03:28:12 AM
see, what I love the most about this place is the humility.......it's rare to hear someone boasting here because it's a race to the bottom with people bragging about the f***-ups they've made.. :cheers: :cheers:

You don't hear "you'd be an idiot if you did that...."

You hear, "don't do that, because this is what happened to me when I did it..."

Harv, I have a sense of impending doom....we have been very lucky so far....and this is Hedgash and Goggles not Rosencrantz and Guildenstern.....but I suspect you got your bad luck in the same proportion as we will....but you got it early, we'll get it, in time.

Wobbles, you are the guy lying on his back pointing out the knot in the rope that is fouling the guillotine blade.....BTW  I'd hardly call your sensor checking method MM...that's just nice solid diagnostics, a logical approach.

Rev, I keep hearing it.

Colonel he might finish that motor before you're 80.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on September 11, 2010, 05:35:59 AM

Harv, I have a sense of impending doom....we have been very lucky so far....and this is Hedgash and Goggles not Rosencrantz and Guildenstern.....but I suspect you got your bad luck in the same proportion as we will....but you got it early, we'll get it, in time.

Colonel he might finish that motor before you're 80.

good thing you're not Rosencrantz or Guildenstern as their land speed career was very short

As for finishing it before I'm 80. There is still machine work to be done. Cases have to be bored and I have to recess a gearbox bearing due to the fine quality of early Ducati castings ( number 193)
Its only been out of the bike since 1998. One bloke took so long to do nothing the Leigh had to go to NSW to get my bits back
In fact I was thinking of borrowing Floydjer's spray gun at one stage
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on September 23, 2010, 07:08:22 PM
Got the cam for the new build the other day...I can see why they can't do this grind on a stock cam....it's big and fat......the valves don't get much time sitting around doing nothing........

I've made a start on the bits and pieces I'll need to make the conversion from the series one to series two cams in our series one block.....I've made a little jig that will help me keep the cam retaining plate centred while I mark where the holes will need to be drilled.

more soon......
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: adamadam on September 23, 2010, 08:32:42 PM
Nice article in the new Street Machine Hot Rod magazine, Congratulations!
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on September 23, 2010, 08:38:18 PM
Nice article in the new Street Machine Hot Rod magazine, Congratulations!

Thanks Adam, check the writing credit...it's going on the racing budget......
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on September 24, 2010, 04:08:37 AM
Nice article in the new Street Machine Hot Rod magazine, Congratulations!

Yep
Showed it to my Mum
Mum Said " so did you go to the salt that year?"
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on September 25, 2010, 09:52:12 PM
Yep
Showed it to my Mum
Mum Said " so did you go to the salt that year?"
G

So what , are you cracking the sads because you didn't get your moosh in it?................

for our US readers here is the story from the magazine article , as it would be improper to reproduce the article as published I have made some small alterations by removing Simon's photographs and in an effort to put things right I have included a picture of the Colonel.

It was October 2003 , we were outside the Tennis Centre in Melbourne after seeing Monster Trucks and the Reverend was asking me what I’d been up to…he’s a film maker so I was telling him my idea for a film about caravan demolition derby…he was looking at me kind of funny, like “ are you alright mate?....then he said..”um, anything else?”…..”Well, I saw this article in a mag, it seems they do salt lake racing here, at some lake in South Aus…”
 
The next day he rang me , he’d been searching on the net….”
 Have you seen those bellytanks?”….
“Yeah, they’re the coolest things with wheels”
“Do you reckon you could build one ?”
for some reason, straight off the bat I said......
“yeah”…
 
I was a back yarder, a self taught welder and painter with a line in 60’s and 70’s Holdens, a guitarist , singer and songwriter…not a mechanic, engineer or Hot Rod builder……. He was an architect , a filmmaker and animator who lived in a truck . We knew almost nothing but we liked what we saw and we wanted to be part of it.

I don’t have enough space in this article, to be honest there isn’t enough space in this magazine even, to tell the whole story of how we built our bellytank. Two guys who think they can do anything can get themselves into a fair bit of trouble , if those two guys are too stubborn to give up when they realize how overwhelmingly huge a pickle they’ve got themselves into then it’s going to make for a good read at least.

Salt lakes are huge flat expanses that are perfect places to run things with wheels at high speed , it’s been a regular thing at Bonneville USA since 1948. Since 1990 a club called the Dry Lake Racers of Australia has organized and run Speedweek at Lake Gairdner in outback South Australia, we first went in March 2004 and it just blew our minds. The cars, the bikes , the people and the scenery just reinforced the feeling that we’d bought a ticket on a ride we weren’t going to regret.

Obsessively we went about learning the history of dry lake racing, and specifically bellytanks from Bill Burke’s very first tanks in 1946 right to the current day record holders. We studied aerodynamics  and set about modeling a real race car around the 1953 Canberra jet bomber tank* that we bought from Rod Hadfield. We wanted to build a tank that echoed the early efforts but we didn’t want a copy, besides, the rules now demand an extensive roll cage and there were other tweeks and style cues that we felt we could make. We wanted to keep the tank in its original dimensions because we felt it was perfect ….it just needed wheels and a motor.

We measured everything , a million times. Deciding to keep the tank as it was built made for a seriously difficult job of fitting what we needed, and wanted ,into it…we took the major components of a car, and then took all the space out from between them. If there was anything we could call an advantage it was that we weren’t coming from one type of racing. Landspeed racing has it’s own specific demands and one thing we have noticed is how stubbornly people cling to what they know, we studied landspeed racing and built for it, and nothing else.

We decided to go without suspension, it made for simplicity but it also meant we had less stuff “hanging out in the wind”…..and it meant we could fix our ride height. We passed on a V8 because the V6 was short , but it also fitted into E capacity class for motors between 3.01 and 4.3litres, our first year out we ran 160mph( 260km/h) with a motor from a VP Commodore that had run 330,000km without a rebuild. It proved that the design we had built had great aerodynamics.

We went with a V6 because they are the shortest motors, we shortened an Aussie 4 speed by removing reverse and the extension housing, we made a tailshaft with an inch of tube .We built the entire frame and every single component except the front axle in my single car garage with a drill press, and angle grinder, oxy , a mig and a bunch of other mongrelized home made items begged borrowed or filched from mates.

We made our own twin throttle body manifold , our own headers and exhaust , I made the steering wheel, the gearshift, oh that’s right I already told you….we made everything. Why?...because there is no other car like this one, there are things that look sort of like it , but none the same. Time after time we would get a part, modify it , chop it , change it and then make it again, and sometimes again. I’m not too proud to say we wrecked a heap of stuff along the way. Jack Dolan from San Diego is a great character well known in the US landspeed racing game and is responsible for a huge number of record setting cars and bikes, we got to know Jack through the US landspeed website www.landracing.com/forum , Jack was a great help and encouragement to us. Once when I was explaining the process of wrecking things to finally get to making the right part he said “ yeah , sometimes I see someone looking at a part on a car of mine and I say to them “oh, we’ve only got that one on there until the “real” parts get back from the polishers”, that sums up a lot of our car…..it is functional, not built for show.

Early in the trip we collected an old mate of mine the Colonel (http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd35/Jarman-Stewart/th_JarmanStewart2x.jpg)who now proudly announces to anyone who cares to ask, “they make stuff, I make it work”, and he’s right. Any team needs forwards and backs, talls and smalls…we three, as they say are men cut from different cloth but together we had just the right mixture of knowledge, interests and skills to drag this machine out of  our imagination and onto the salt. The Reverend is an artist, a genius with shape and design, me ? well I’ve always been prone to biting off more than I can chew and yesterday isn’t soon enough , the Colonel knows how everything works and has the necessary cynicism to keep the Reverend and my feet on the ground… Without me it never would have got finished , without the Reverend it would have been ugly as sin and without the Colonel it just wouldn’t have worked.

The first time we ran the car was at Mangalore airfield in central Victoria in October 2007, we did about 100mph and worked out that a few things we’d done would need to be rethought, but that generally we were on the right track. The salt was cancelled due to rain in 2008 but in 2009 we took the car to Lake Gairdner for the first time, it had taken 5 times longer and cost 5 times as much as we’d thought it would but it was worth every cent, every blue, every lonely “have I stuffed-up?” thought and every burn, cut and blackened nail that we’d copped in the process. By the end of the week the Rev and I both had qualified at 125 and 150mph and the cars top speed was 160.145mph. For Speedweek 2010 we bought an ex-turbo motor and got a “burn-out” chip and a hotter cam , the tank , now known as the Spirit of Sunshine or the Jarman-Stewart Bellytank ran 193.051 before we had an oil leak and packed her up for the week.

 As we speak we are collecting the parts for a proper crack in 2011, stage three heads , a solid valve train and a whopping cam we hope will push the car into the 220’s with our current 2.77:1 diff. We have a new diff on the way from the States which will allow us a choice of final drives of 2.56 , 2.41 and 2.28:1 .Beyond that we have a 3litre destroked version in the wings, a blower and in the mists of the crystal ball I think I smell methanol.

Thank Yous

We have to thank the Hadfields, Norm Hardinge, Wayne Mumford, Vaughn, Pete Quick , all the DLRA volunteers, everyone at www.landracing.com especially Jack D and Bill Smith,Chris Conrad , Greg and the club website at www.dlra.org.au/forum but most importantly we have to thank our families and anyone else who encouraged us and thought for some weird reason that what we were doing was important, we love yous all.

Parts List

VN series one V6 ,Wade cam, ACL slugs, 9.6:1 comp, ported heads, twin throttle bodies
M21 4speed gearbox, HD clutch and billet flywheel.
Borg Warner 2.77 LSD drum brake rear end
EH Holden stub axles and steering arms.
VW Kombi steering box.
Custom made straight tube axle with 30degrees of castor.
’36 Ford wishbone, Commodore panhards for rear radius rods
43mm Mild steel tube frame and cage.
1953 Canberra bomber wing tank( body)
Sabre-jet wing-tank( cowl)
AU Falcon wheel centers
Kombi rims.
28x4.5inch Goodyear 300mph Landspeed tires
Cruciform parachute
15kg extinguishant
60 litres of coolant
10 litres of fuel.



and here's a pic of the new cam up against a stock one....difficult to see the difference :roll: :roll: :roll:
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/P9260179.jpg)

In other news here the StKilda Saints drew with the Collingwood Magpies in the Australian Football League Grand Final , it was a belter of a game and will be replayed next week.....
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: racergeo on September 25, 2010, 10:52:10 PM
  Aussie rules football. They beat the buggery out of each other and no helmets.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on September 25, 2010, 11:47:14 PM
. . . and here's a pic of the new cam up against a stock one....difficult to see the difference :roll: :roll: :roll:
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/P9260179.jpg)

That's not a cam - that's an "On-Off" switch. 

 :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: johnneilson on September 25, 2010, 11:57:58 PM
. . . and here's a pic of the new cam up against a stock one....difficult to see the difference :roll: :roll: :roll:
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/P9260179.jpg)

That's not a cam - that's an "On-Off" switch. 

 :cheers:

Now thats a camshaft..............when the lobe is just .005 smaller than the bearing journal.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on September 26, 2010, 09:35:56 AM
WE just have to have a good SOUND track of the NEW thing going by at FULL song next year.   :cheers:  As well as the great idle sounds this V-6 thing will make when it gets beat on with This BIG BUMP STICK   :-o
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on October 05, 2010, 04:24:49 AM
Well the engine is coming along
 :cheers:
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on October 05, 2010, 04:54:19 AM
We're gonna need a bigger shed...
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on October 05, 2010, 06:53:53 AM
We're gonna need a bigger shed...
That, is going to your place.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on October 05, 2010, 08:25:14 AM
That looks like the Geelong road to me
G :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: wobblywalrus on October 11, 2010, 12:22:19 AM
That is a gnarly cam.  The most radical I have seen based on just looking at it.  A question for you guys.  If this cam was going into a bike, the next logical step would be to fabricate a nice set of racing megaphones, possibly reverse cone, in order to get the best performance.  Megaphone exhausts are very rare on cars.  Why is this?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: RidgeRunner on October 11, 2010, 07:50:58 AM
Usually in N/A applications megaphones will trump straight pipes and headers will trump megaphones.  Headers need more cylinders to work and cars usually have more cylinders than bikes.  Always exceptions to keep us thinking.

                                Ed
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Peter Jack on October 11, 2010, 10:51:27 AM
Just to clarify, it's the Y-connection or collectors in the headers that make them superior. The pulse from one exhaust stroke is used to help extract the exhaust from the next cylinder in the firing order.

Pete
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on October 11, 2010, 04:46:52 PM
That is a gnarly cam.  The most radical I have seen based on just looking at it. 

WW
It looks gnarly, but you have to remember it's a roller cam designed for a roller base lifter.
Because the base of the lifter is a roller and not flat the cam profile is different because it is not lifting the lifter from the edge of a flatish surface but from the radius of the roller. Similar to that Indian cam and rocker on Lars's page that Rocky posted
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on October 11, 2010, 06:15:16 PM
Gnarly dudes, the cam was handed like a baton to the Colonel at the DLRA meeting on the weekend....there is a way to go yet on the motor...I've sussed a way of making the little mod we need to change the cam thrust plate arrangement so as to use this later style cam in the early block....

There were some interesting developements at the club meeting on the weekend......One member has found a dry lake that looks to be a very promising prospect. (http://i855.photobucket.com/albums/ab115/SOLTOP10/Copyoflake2q.jpg)

It is called Lake Omeo and has a small town called Benambra on the shore,it has a general store , fuel and a pub, perfect! There is enough room for a three mile track and by all accounts the local shire( municipal authority) are keen to see it happen.....it is used as an occasional runway...the shire are even prepared to do surface preparation if that is at all necessary...... or practical for the purposes. This is where some input from those who know the El Mirage surface would be very helpful.

Benambra is I believe about 2000 feet above sea level, it's going to be a tough tow up there.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on October 11, 2010, 07:49:01 PM
Can't argue with the location - looks to be between Sydney and Melbourne.  What are the roads like in and out of the area?   
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on October 11, 2010, 08:29:15 PM
Can't argue with the location - looks to be between Sydney and Melbourne.  What are the roads like in and out of the area?   

Na , not so much between Sydney and Melbourne.... The trip from one t'other is 8 hours for the 550 miles ...to get to Omeo is a five hour trip into the mountains..... a convoluted route
http://maps.google.com.au/maps?hl=en&rls=com.microsoft:en-au:IE-SearchBox&rlz=1I7ADBF&q=Melbourne%20to%20Benambra%20map&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wl

It takes a little longer to get there from Melbourne via the northern route...I've only been up there once , from the south it's all sealed, I'm not sure whether the road has been sealed from the north

...It's a tough tow either way and it's a two lane road with the odd hairpin bend and plenty of blind corners with no run off from memory. I had a very, very near miss on the dirt beyond Omeo back in 1984 ...... fortunately I have mostly sated my apetite for driving sideways on roads in treacherous terrain.......
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: wobblywalrus on October 11, 2010, 10:57:40 PM
Thanks for the info on the exhausts and cam.  Most everything about cars is new to me and I hope you do not mind the goofy questions.

The Omeo lake racing would attract a slightly different crowd.  Probably a lot of bikes.  My wife, Rosie and I talked about it, and the high mountains nearby make it very attractive.   
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on October 13, 2010, 05:08:14 PM
WW
We tend to get a lot more bikes than cars at our meets here anyway
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on October 14, 2010, 01:43:55 AM
Geez mate, 2000ft doesn't sound like much of a pull. I live at 5400ft & hafta go to 7000 just to get outa here. I guess I've forgotten how flat it is down there & got used to how lumpy it is up here.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on October 20, 2010, 09:06:08 PM
Geez mate, 2000ft doesn't sound like much of a pull. I live at 5400ft & hafta go to 7000 just to get outa here. I guess I've forgotten how flat it is down there & got used to how lumpy it is up here.

most likely bigger roads where you are...that's a single lane going up to Omeo.

Anyways , I'm going out this afternoon to pick up the diff parts that were marshalled at Sparky central in Phoenix for shipping out here to the Spirit of Sunshine complex via the kind hel[p of Norm Hardinge who took his 34 roadster to Speedweek. There've been mumblings between me and the Colonel about exactly how we're going to effect the change from the Borg Warner centre to the Ten bolt. We'll be keepin the Ford axle tubes and going to 28 spline axles, they're Ford but will by all accounts fit into the Torsen centre...so we'll be leaving the axles tubes in the rear superstructure and just changing the pumpkin, procedure yet to be determined.


Still just rounding up a few little bits and pieces for the motor build..............I'll be gittin back to ya soon..........
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on October 24, 2010, 04:13:15 AM
Picked up a new balancer yesterday for the motor, the Colonel figured the oil leak we had last year probably wasn't helped by the harmonic balancer having a groove worn into it by the timing cover seal......When I spoke to the guy I got it from on the phone I'd asked him , after telling him what the motor was for,what advantage I'd see buying a "racing" version...there was a pause and he said..
..." a bigger bill".
I also picked up the VSR set we needed to get from eBay nice and cheap......it's budget racing here guys. :wink:

Just got back this afternoon from Camperdown ( town of 2000 people)where we went so I could write a story on a hot rod and rockabilly festival. My sister lives there but was away so we had an empty house.The Reverend and his good lady have a farm just near there but we gave them the slip..Beautiful drive down there to what's called the Western District,volcanic plains and after the recent heavy drought breaking rain it was all incredibly green and lush.

Saw my favorite local rockabilly band the Straight Eights last night  in the Palais theater there must have been nearly a thousand people there it was ace. Spent the day checking out cars , the weather was perfect... lots of good stuff, lots of customs, lots of 50's Buicks and a fair few Caddies too. Of course it was thick with the usual A's 32's 4's and T's One guy who I met at the Chopped show I wrote about a few weeks back has a 32 with an LS2 said
"I've done 24 thousand mile in it since I got it on the road"....
"when was that?" ...
"...late last year"
When I saw him at the Chopped show he was racing the dirt drags , and he was giving it to it... good to see them getting used.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on November 05, 2010, 07:19:28 PM
It's been a busy week here......Thursday night I went up to Kalkallo to Norm Hardinge's place to pick up the diff parts that came back in his container. Sadly I didn't have much time to spare when I got there...front and central was the 34 roadster that has been to Bonneville the last few years ( finally topping the 2 this year)......Behind it was the ruthlessly chopped 34 coupe with V12 and a valanced cowl that's in the build, just a tiny patina of surface rust on the hand fabbed bodywork and some big Hurst slicks on the rear.....despite the left of centre appointments there's more than just a hint of Pierson there.

This shot shows the 7.5 inch Torsen series 2 Centre courtesy of our man in Phoenix Az. Sparky has been a great help in all this. Actually it was his idea, his know-how and then he tipped in some of his money and time ....so , we're forever in his debt.

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/PB060229.jpg)

I also stopped by at Steve Angelovski's MACE Engineering .I'd bought , at his suggestion , some relatively cheap forged stainless roller tip roller rockers from the U.S made for an LS-1. Steve separated them and used Eco-tec style needle roller bearing and built a pedestal plate for them to mount to our Buick style V6 heads. Steve specializes in the Holden V6 and although there are several options for the later Ecotec there are no roller rockers that will bolt up to the Series 1. Steve was very helpful, cheaper than cheap and nice into the bargain.He and his dad have a garage operation making bolt on upgrade parts and sell it all through mail-order...it's strange the way the net has taken us full circle.....He's keen to be involved in the car and also picked up the knowledge for a reasonably priced conversion for which there was nothing available.....he also waved the possibility of a group buy ( 100 sets, cheap)for some forged pistons under my nose.....hmmmmmmm...

this is how the LS-1 rockers came....

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/PB060226.jpg)

here with the changed bearing.....

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/PB060227.jpg)

and here sitting on the pedestal plate...the heads are at the Colonel's otherwise I would have shot them "in situ".....

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/PB060228.jpg)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on November 05, 2010, 07:48:17 PM
Mr. Angelovski seems to be a wizard - very crafty adaptation.

This year promises to be very interesting for the SOS . . . much is changing.

Putting together seemingly unrelated clues and jumping to a wild supposition, my guess is the Dr. is pondering aesthetics again.  You've been talking about a new steering set-up, which I suspect will call for some modifications to the nose area, and a new rear install.  Paint gets chipped - aw, shucks - "hey, mate, it's lookin' a little tired" - blah blah blah.  I remember you lobbying for new paint last year, and what better excuse? :wink:

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on November 05, 2010, 08:30:12 PM
Well , I had been pushing for a new look but I have to say it'd be a hard one to top the one we have now. As for "paint gets chipped" etc....none of you have seen the car close up.......... I can use a gun but to say I could have put more time into the prep and paint on the car would be a wild understatement....add to that getting the front kicked in this year when I went for a test flight at the seven mile somewhere around 190mph...the fact that the canopy could be described as " a prototype" at best....if this thing went to a body shop there wouldn't be anyone standing around scratching their head wondering what to do.... HOWEVER , that won't be happening anytime soon.......

The new rear end won't be going in before the 2011 meet , the change to rack and pinion steering won't be til after that is done and likely not til after the 181 inch motor is built.....the rack conversion will be cheap, and time consuming.....the motor build will be costly, and will take time....

So in answer to the question yeah, sure, just as soon as we've done all the other stuff.......2013 maybe
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on November 05, 2010, 09:47:27 PM
You know how it is when you get a new part.... I'm looking at the centre thinking I've been told they will but it's be nice to check whether the axles fit that centre... yeah, the 28 spline Ford ones that I broke the bank( $45) to buy.....

As I'm prising the centre out of the housing I notice that it seems to have a little rust on it..huh?.......then as it comes out I see what looks like a handful of salt in the housing...OMG! I gave it the taste test and sho-nuff ,Utah salt!!!...hahahaha as it has been man-handled at Bonneville it has taken a divot out of the lake which has then fallen down the axle tube.....I hosed everything and doused it in CRC, no damage.....I held it up and clunk, it slipped over the axle ....nice.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on November 13, 2010, 08:47:17 AM
Just found this one....

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/_NZS2612.jpg)

and a good one of the Colonel

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/_NZS1301.jpg)

The Reverend pushing me off, photographer Simon Davidson  with camera...

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/_NZS2408.jpg)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on November 13, 2010, 08:59:27 AM
Now that's a pic of a cocksure crew.

By the way, Doc, tradition dictates that you're to return that salt from whence it came. :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on November 13, 2010, 09:35:39 AM
That's a motley crew if I've ever seen one...  :-D
Nice shirts, I've heard rumors that wearing one under your firesuit will make your car go faster....  :-o always worked for me  8-)
I agree the salt must be returned... or mixed with Australian salt on the lakebed for luck
 :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on November 13, 2010, 09:01:59 PM

and a good one of the Colonel


Fixing his stuffup

That's a motley crew if I've ever seen one...  :-D

Yep

Nice shirts, I've heard rumors that wearing one under your firesuit will make your car go faster....

Wearing one under your SCTA/BNI shirt makes your rental car go pretty fast when your last off the lake as well :-D
G

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Lynchy on November 16, 2010, 10:01:31 PM
Quote
Wearing one under your SCTA/BNI shirt makes your rental car go pretty fast when your last off the lake as well

Graham - we cracked 100mph at El Mirage in the mighty Grand Caravan, did you beat that?

Lynchy
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on November 17, 2010, 12:55:04 AM
Quote
Wearing one under your SCTA/BNI shirt makes your rental car go pretty fast when your last off the lake as well

Graham - we cracked 100mph at El Mirage in the mighty Grand Caravan, did you beat that?

Lynchy

Yep
Gee those grand caravans go for a little motor
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on November 19, 2010, 02:21:49 AM
Anyhow
Speaking of little motors
I got a bit of time to pull the "good motor" to bits today
Here's some pictures
I don't want to see any crying from Headbut and Googles
It seems we have had a bit of galling on the pistons and a bit of spinning of bearings
I'm kind of glad I didn't pull the short motor to bits before it two runs at 195
I may have recommended they took it easy
And the beer is a coopers home-brew, not coopers red. Can't drink coopers red. Yuk
G
(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc28/grumm441/374/374engine3.jpg)
(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc28/grumm441/374/374engine1.jpg)
(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc28/grumm441/374/374engine2.jpg)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on November 19, 2010, 04:02:02 AM
So I have just been across the road to speak to my neighbour who has a KE55 Toyota corolla with a turbo rotary in it
This wouldn't be a problem except that it wakes my girl when she is trying to sleep( I don't seem to sleep). It is so loud that when I am sitting in the back room of my house on the turbo timer, it is louder than my TV
He, the corolla guy, asked me  what I knew about cars.....
Yep
I used to own a corolla with a Buick motor. not quite as much fun as the datsun 510 with the 327. but fun just the same
A lot of fun. And a very old photo from back when I had hair
G
(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc28/grumm441/374/KE20.jpg)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: wobblywalrus on November 19, 2010, 10:34:33 PM
The undersides of the piston crowns.  Are they black or dark brown with a coating of burnt oxidized oil? 
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on November 20, 2010, 01:39:22 AM
The undersides of the piston crowns.  Are they black or dark brown with a coating of burnt oxidized oil? 

How about the first and second rods from the left...................
(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc28/grumm441/374/374engine3.jpg)

the small ends look a bit blue don't they?....

And a very old photo from back when I had hair G
now, see , I thought THAT was Marc Bolan....turns out it's Graham Bogan :roll:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on November 20, 2010, 09:56:59 AM
rods maybe camera lens parallax  :-P
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on November 20, 2010, 10:43:09 AM
now, see , I thought THAT was Marc Bolan....turns out it's Graham Bogan :roll:
You'll have us all speaking Aussie colloquialisms before this build is done.  :wink:

Looks like you did it right.  Pushed the old lump to the limits and backed off just before catastrophe.  Fewer shavings to clean out of the oil galleries.  Ring it out for everything it'll give, but bring it back intact.

Well done. 

RIP, ol' donk - a new and better life awaits.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: gearheadeh on November 20, 2010, 10:49:15 AM
now, see , I thought THAT was Marc Bolan....turns out it's Graham Bogan :roll:
You'll have us all speaking Aussie colloquialisms before this build is done.  :wink:

Looks like you did it right.  Pushed the old lump to the limits and backed off just before catastrophe.  Fewer shavings to clean out of the oil galleries.  Ring it out for everything it'll give, but bring it back intact.

Well done. 

RIP, ol' donk - a new and better life awaits.


Yes good timming and luck on this one!

Iam thinking of a line from the movie Cool hand luke..............Only with 1 twist in the words:
What we have here is a failure to LUBRICATE  !!!!!

That or the clearances were all too tight!
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on November 20, 2010, 10:04:28 PM


You are definitely seeing blue on two of those rods. I' guessing they were fitted with a bit (lot)  of heat
And you will also notice that they are standing straight up without any help

Went and had a look at the pistons in the sunlight.
They are perfect underneath, look like brand new

(http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd35/Jarman-Stewart/374Piston.jpg)

The rear main bearing doesn't look at all happy
(http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd35/Jarman-Stewart/374Bearing.jpg)

So I'm going to look for my glasses and go and do some measuring.
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Peter Jack on November 20, 2010, 11:47:16 PM
I've seen similar in an oval track engine when the oil temperature pegged the gauge at 325 F. My driver said something about he wasn't worried because he still had oil pressure, I said something about you can pressurize water but it still doesn't lubricate. A great oil pump can't help lubricate if there's no viscosity.

Pete
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: wobblywalrus on November 21, 2010, 01:10:32 AM
Grumm, years ago I had the same failure type.  The machinist asked me to show him some parts, including the pistons.  He said that running the engine hard enough to do the damage from heat would leave brown or black oxidized oil stains on the bottom of the pistons.  He said I had a serious lubrication failure.  My pistons looked like new on the undersides, just like yours.     
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: johnneilson on November 21, 2010, 02:19:31 AM
I had a motor failure some years ago that looked very much like this.
With one exception though, the shop who assemblied the motor failed to properly install the thrust bearings.
After a few short laps, the crank was generating a ton of grinding compound in the oil and it completely destroyed the motor.
The only salvagable parts were the valves, springs and retainers (cam bores ruined in head).

It sure looks to me as the clearances were just a little tight, you guys need to visit Vegas, soon before your luck changes.

John
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Nexxussian on November 21, 2010, 05:17:09 PM
Grumm, the close up of the piston, with the scuffed skirt, is that a piece of ring land missing between the 2nd ring and the oil ring?

I hope not. :(
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on November 21, 2010, 05:44:38 PM
Grumm, the close up of the piston, with the scuffed skirt, is that a piece of ring land missing between the 2nd ring and the oil ring?

I hope not. :(

No
that's just the ring end
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on November 21, 2010, 07:39:07 PM
Grumm, the close up of the piston, with the scuffed skirt, is that a piece of ring land missing between the 2nd ring and the oil ring?
I hope not. :(

Hey Erik, long time no hear!

We're ditching those slugs anyway..just getting some prices for a bit more comp and full floating pins....also looking into getting the block line bored for steel mains and investigating some suggestions we've had for oil mods....
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: wobblywalrus on November 22, 2010, 01:56:42 AM
My illustrious tuning career includes a couple of engines that partially seized due to tight clearances.  Like you'all, I was lucky and the connecting rods did not snap or the pistons break apart.  The tight clearance problems showed up on the pistons in the hotter running cylinders the most.  There was a clearly visible difference in piston distress.  All six of these pistons are equally scuffed, from what I can see in the pix.  The rods and crank bearings on my partial seizures were not in the best condition, but they did not have the lack of lubrication symptons.  They small ends were not blue and the bearings were not scuffed.  This motor looks like the one where I had a failure in both the pressure feed and splash parts of the lubrication system.

One of many things to check would be the drain back from the cylinder heads.  Is enough the oil getting down to the sump to keep the pump intake submerged?

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on November 22, 2010, 02:29:50 AM
WW
I'm going to do some stuff with the drain back. I've been sent some pictures of things  I have to look at, which Goggles will no doubt post
We also run a vacupan setup which makes vacuum in the crankcase helping the oil fall back down. and we will look at a sump with more capacity, and a windage tray.
However the big end bearings all look good and only the main bearings at each end of the crank are damaged. The two in the middle look perfect.
I've got a chev 350 crate motor here that the the oil pickup had fallen off the pump. Without the pickup, the oil cavitates around the hole in the end of the pump.(this is normally where I go into my diatribe about oil pickups and fuel pickups on EFI pumps) So it shows oil pressure until you rev it. and then pumps nothing. The pistons in it look fine and have no scuffing and the bearings are blotchy with materiel that they have picked up.

The V6 has hammered the tripe out of the rear bearing which I would put down to the flywheel coming loose. and when you consider how much loctite we used and how tight we did it up is quite something. The front bearing I would have to put down to a harmonic in the crank caused by the flywheel . I will put it on some V blocks later and see if it's still straight.
Goggles did say he couldn't see on the last run, I thought that was just because his goggles had fogged up, but I can put that down to the crank as well.

Well MM, how's that for long sentences.

G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on November 22, 2010, 07:55:50 AM
Good.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Rex Schimmer on November 22, 2010, 03:02:52 PM
Look at the inlet and outlet ports of the oil pump and look for signs of cavitation, it will look like small pits usually in the areas of highest oil velocity. I do not think that running case vacuum pumps on wet sump engines is a good idea as it can lower the inlet pressure to the oil pump to the extent that the pump may cavitate, which of course leads to lack of lubrication and ultimate failure.

Rex
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on November 22, 2010, 03:47:33 PM
I do not think that running case vacuum pumps on wet sump engines is a good idea as it can lower the inlet pressure to the oil pump to the extent that the pump may cavitate, which of course leads to lack of lubrication and ultimate failure.Rex

We haven't got a pump Rex , it's just a home made vac-u-pan sing exhaust velocity to produce vacuum......it was a Dolan suggestion , it makes a decent amount of vacuum even at idle if my "tip of the finger gauge is reading properly .
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: maj on November 22, 2010, 07:30:53 PM
Done the opposite thing for priming the oil system a local gm v8 (253ci) there a known terror for getting prime,and not simple to do a mechanical prime ... easiest fix was an airhose into the dipstick tube and give it a few seconds pressure as you crank the engine , crank pressures or lack of can have a lot more influence than simple windage..
Where was your crankcase vent exiting from, as mentioned if from the head  it could have also severely limited the oil return, better from the valley cover and use a oil seperating or catch tank with return to below oil level  (gunna need a bigger bellytank  :-D  )
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on November 22, 2010, 07:34:59 PM
... and use a oil seperating or catch tank with return to below oil level  (gunna need a bigger bellytank  :-D  )

Actually we have a little bit of space under the seat just in front of the donk that is empty looking for a use. Maybe this is it!

rH+
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on November 22, 2010, 08:55:45 PM

Where was your crankcase vent exiting from, as mentioned if from the head  it could have also severely limited the oil return

Ya know, I'd been wondering that all along....air moving up whilst oil trying to move down through a narrow passage......how much air we don't know but as a matter of course it would make sense to go to the case breather instead of the head...........
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: wobblywalrus on November 23, 2010, 01:45:11 AM
It might be a good idea to instrument this motor after it is modified, put it on an engine dyno, and make a pull that simulates a run down the salt.  A post dyno session tear down can verify that the engine is safe to run.  "Dyno Testing and Tuning" by Harold Bettes and Bill Hancock ISBN 978-1-932494-49-5 (Brooklands Books Australia, 3/37-39 Green Street, Banksmeadow, NSW 2019, phone 2 9695 7055) describes this procedure.  It is a good reference.  We use it.

This is a complicated problem.  A real head scratcher.  Good luck with it. 
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on November 26, 2010, 07:05:38 AM
The motor is toast. It's already 40thou over ....

this just in from the Colonel

Alright
I have been to most of the local  engine blokes I know and a piston specific guy and a conrod guy
The basic consensus is too little piston to bore clearance
and not enough oil
It was noted that there was burnt oil in the recessed accumulator area between the top two rings
that there were no oil holes drilled in the oil ring lands for oil to get on the bores
and that the top of the gudgeon pin on the piston I had hawked around had turned blue
The other thing is that the pistons are 40thou hyperutectic. so the block is scrap
From this short motor we will be re using the rod bolts and main bearing studs both ARP
the rest will be going in the bin
Cheers
G


disappointing.....

we have a couple more blocks , one that I know for sure has never been licked...it comes down to whether we can use the later version so we don't have to do the cam thrust plate modification we were lining up for............

dull

dull

dull.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on November 26, 2010, 08:20:04 AM
Well, the time has come.  It's time to finally build, from the ground up, a no-compromise, purpose-built land speed racing engine to go into your no-compromise, purpose-built land speed racing car.  A good thing.

Because from here on, you won't be guessin', you'll be knowin'.  It won't be something of questionable pedigree with a mysterious past.

Judging by the way the rest of the car turned out, it will be an exceptional engine.

The donk is dead, long live the donk.

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Nexxussian on November 27, 2010, 11:51:46 PM
Doc, yeah it's been an increasingly larger PITA to get my computer to light off.

Probably due to it being an older home build.;)

I've picked up one of those new Windows phones, I'm posting this with it.:D

I'll have to see if that's a good thing or not. :?





Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on November 28, 2010, 08:53:05 AM
 YEAH-donk  :cheers: :cheers: --now we are going to have an eng that will take advantage of those big heads and 2.77s---still no 2.56  7.5s on ebay --- may the donk RIP !
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: generatorshovel on November 28, 2010, 10:32:19 AM
Don't worry Doc,,,there's still 4 months left , use your credit card (again) the bank needs more profit  :?
( this night shift sux)
Tiny
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: wobblywalrus on November 28, 2010, 11:54:34 AM
Last winter I was in the same situation.  Mine was much less dramatic.  An engine based on standard parts was not good enough and I needed to build the motor for LSR.  The build was relatively easy - the hard part was finding the parts and advice on how to set the clearances.  I was lucky.  Triumph machined the engine correctly so it did not need to be blueprinted.  Finding pistons in the small size I needed was a problem.  They are available from only one source, as with the bigger valves.  The racing rods are not off-the-shelf items.  A batch of them was made a while ago and a fellow sold me a set from his personal supply.  He gave me the critical build information, too.  The Triumph engine build almost did not happen, several times.

It might be a good time to look at the engine options.  Are there the parts and expertise to blueprint and build a 200+ mph LSR motor with that brand of block?  Are Ford, GM, Dodge, better options?  Now is the time to look at all of the details and to plan everything out.

This is simply advice based on personal experience.
 
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on November 28, 2010, 08:14:59 PM
Hey Tiny,
we were at a wedding the other night , sitting opposite me is a "long time ago ex" she is a danger seeking film maker..she made a film about East Timor about the "civil" war when the Indo's left, she and her sister spent months living with the student rebel army on the Thai-Burma border ,she was in Kandahar when the coalition forces got there, she's run a Mexican restaurant in Kabul for the last five years.....I can't remember how the conversation started but I hear her say to Deb.."

I've got this mate I know from Afghanistan, Wilso".... I looked up,

"he takes me up to where he's from , Broken Hill"

I said," yeah, we know Wilso, has he got a mate Tiny?"

"dunno, he's got mates with names like Digger, Rusty, smoky...whatever...anyway we go to this pub.."

"Yeah" I say..."That'd be the Silverton"

"Where they're starting up this big motor on a stand"

"Ok" I said " let me guess, they were talking about getting rid of the mosquitoes?"

she looked at me and said "yeah, how?"....she holds up her phone and shows me a video......there was you in the backgound..hahahahaha

She wants to make a doco about guess what?



Anyway I digress...

on the motor front here is the recent communiques in-team about WTF we're going to do...

Alright
I have been to most of the local  engine blokes I know and a piston specific guy and a conrod guy
The basic consensus is too little piston to bore clearance
and not enough oil
It was noted that there was burnt oil in the recessed accumulator area between the top two rings
that there were no oil holes drilled in the oil ring lands for oil to get on the bores
and that the top of the gudgeon pin on the piston I had hawked around had turned blue
The other thing is that the pistons are 40thou hyperutectic. so the block is scrap
From this short motor we will be re using the rod bolts and main bearing studs both ARP
the rest will be going in the bin
Cheers
G


On 11/26/2010 10:24 PM, James Stewart wrote:
Pants.

Cheers indeed.

Ok we need to work out whether the manual crank will go into the VP block so as to avoid having to do the cam mod.

The other advantage of the VP block is we know it had never been bored...maybe it lost interest momentarily, but never bored .

I will get the VP block over to you Sunday so you can run your feelers up it, do you have anything to check the concentricity of the bores?

Now we're up against it, bad.



On 11/29/2010 8:59 AM, James Stewart wrote:
I sent as message to the guy who got that block and piston (yes Dik the one you sent the link to)set on eBay(it's been relisted) http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150525449821&ssPageName=ADME:X:RTQ:AU:1123 ...first it was 8 then 7 now $600 they are the same pistons we had in the motor this year and its a freshly bored and (re)honed block....... much as I like the stroker set from Mace I dunno that we've got the readies right now.


dik wrote29/11/10
First of all, thanks for all the good work you two are putting in. Sorry I can't be of more help but you is the experts.
 
I understand the desire to be cheap and get the ebay unit but is it really cheap?
 
What else do we need to get/do for what result?
 
Do we then need to buy the stroker kit anyway for the next year?
 
I know we go through this conversation a few times, but I would rather pay more once than a lot more over time.
 
Can you explain to me the performance difference between the stroker kit and the other?
 
Yes $ are very tight my end ,so a viable economic improvement for next year is desirable but I just want to make sure it is indeed more economical and we don't suddenly have to shell out another $1000 for something in a hurry because something didn't fit.
 
Dik


JS wrote 29/11/10
They stroker kit would be fantastic, we get more torque from more cubes AND a longer throw crank( that's plain leverage) tit for tat the motor will tend to be less rev happy but with more torque it will pull a taller rear-end and boy-oh-boy do we have one of them.  We need to be sure it is under the 260ci limit of E class coz if it ain't we are at rock bottom of D class.
 
Ultimately that is how we will get the car to 240mph which is where I think I will be able to let it go.
 
What we do need to do is nail the oil mod stuff we've been shown, Bart from Just Commodores and Steve Angelovski( MACE) have been very helpful.
 
The 3 litre motor has to be able to rev beyond 7500rpm if we are to be in world class territory. That means some fairly expensive rods and most likely custom pistons, we will probably be throwing 5 to 8 grand at it from what I've worked out. We could build a budget version of it to get our names in the book but looking at it logically it will run out of puff at 150mph if we run 2.77:1 gears , to get it to 200+ it will need 3.08:1 and some serious revs, without wheel slip we need about 7407 to get 200.
 
It was a relief to see what had happened to the motor for some sort of explanation as to the way it behaved because as it was it was undriveable to anyone who didn't have self harm on their mind, seriously, it was like running as fast as I could , downhill, in the dark.
 
What we could do is put the new heads and the solid valve train together with the VP block we ran in 09 and just consolidate, it'll rev harder because the limiter is off and the heads and cam will make a lot more power. some folk  could do some licensing and chute runs and then someone could give it the slipper on it's last run to push it over 200
 
I fear we have left it too late to build a proper motor AND dyno it for next year.
 
what say?

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on November 28, 2010, 08:28:53 PM
The reason some EDM their rods is to take care of the wrist pins in high vacum motors  I run piston squiters for the same reason--as well as to help out on taking  heat out of the piston crown.  I bet with good rod bolts and some more clearance that little puppy would live at 7500 with piston squiters.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on November 28, 2010, 09:32:32 PM

I fear we have left it too late to build a proper motor AND dyno it for next year.
 
what say?


Doc, you know what I'm going to say -

He who hesitates is lost.

You've got three pretty sharp heads on the case and 153 days.  It's still a strong hand. 

Fold?  :roll:
 
Double down.  :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: generatorshovel on November 28, 2010, 10:05:44 PM
Jeez Doc, you have (ex) eyes everywhere ?
The proposed doco would have to include 8 'rods being vomited from a 454 sump, home brand mozzie killer would be a cheaper option.
On your stroker thoughts,,I'd suggest a strong rever would be your best option, not something a stroker would be fond of ?
Work out the stroker piston speed @ your required revs and compare it to your stock stroke at its desired revs.
I foolishly thought I knew more than most, torque would get me through in '06,,it didn't,,my max rpm kept me constrained.
I now realise (yeah,,I'm slow) the more times your piston(s) can force theirselves at your crank, per second,,the more HP you get, until you hit the "want more gas, need space age rings" wall
I'm running an oil squirter in the postie now, after seeing 1340 degrees C on my EGT , in '06, BEFORE passing the 1st timer, Iv'e also added a ceramic thermal barrier coating to the piston crown, it's  cheap insurance.
Best wishes you blokes, it's your turn for the hat in 2011.
Tiny
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: wobblywalrus on November 28, 2010, 10:22:53 PM
The book "The Step-by-Step Guide to Engine Blueprinting:  Practical Methods for Racing and Rebuilding" by Rick Voegelin ISBN-13 978-1-884089-26-8 gives all sorts of info about getting the best performance and reliability from standard parts.  There is a chapter on rods.  Some of the little tricks in the book I do at home.  The big value of the book is educating me so I can ask the right questions when I am talking to the experts.  

  
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: racergeo on November 29, 2010, 01:56:57 AM
  Just a couple of things that I noted from the pictures of the pistons. The fact that the wrist pins are tightened up might give a clue to your problem. Hyperu. pistons run real tight clearances on the pins (.0002) is not unusual. This is way tight in a high rev. engine and if you had any oil interruption they would start to gall . When the pins tighten up the piston with super tight clearance ( typically .001-.0015) start to scuff because it can no longer follow the cyld. bore as the tight pin wont allow it. The problem compounds it's self as the components are failing. Even as supplied, new TRW race pistons needed to be honed out in the pin bores to .0008-.001 or an engine that got hot would do the same thing to a race piston. I think some attention to extra clearance in the rotating assy. and a product known as a Canton Accusump oil accumulator would probably solve your problem.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Nexxussian on November 29, 2010, 01:14:51 PM
Doc, I've spoken with a few people about custom conrods.

I've had several suggest ordering them with small relief cuts at the big end to allow more oil up the cylinder bore.

It was suggested as an alternative to having to anchor piston cooling jets where they weren't designed to go.

FWIW the Pug I'm working already has piston coolers so I'm told I don't need said reliefs.   :?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on November 29, 2010, 05:00:45 PM
 The big value of the book is educating me so I can ask the right questions when I am talking to the experts.

Ahhh, the joys of reading a good book.

We have a few in our Bellytank library. I like to go back to them and rre-read them now and again and realise how much I have learned in this weird journey. Things which made little sense the first time now seem obvious.

This book sounds like another good read, thank for recommending.

Dik
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on November 29, 2010, 09:01:38 PM
The big value of the book is educating me so I can ask the right questions when I am talking to the experts.
This book sounds like another good read, thank for recommending.
Dik

There's a copy on the way Rev
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on November 30, 2010, 12:22:22 AM
Yep
I might have to dust off my copy
A bit of revision might be in order
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: racergeo on December 07, 2010, 01:20:39 AM
  I don't know your crank specs. but I have put SB chev rods (small and lg. journal) of varying lengths in Fords, 2300 Pintos, 351ws and 2.4 Toyotas to name a few. I have put bbc rods in 440 Mopars and 500 Cads. Just grind crank to approp size and offset for more stock if you have enough to work with.  On Ebay there is a set of Buick Indy V6 rods $195. 5.6 long if they would work cheap upgrade.. Ebay#330505520404. Enjoy
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on December 07, 2010, 04:41:35 AM
On Ebay there is a set of Buick Indy V6 rods $195. 5.6 long if they would work cheap upgrade.. Ebay#330505520404. Enjoy

Thanks for the link
Unfortunately I think ours are 6.350. Haven't had a chance to measure them yet. Work got in the way
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on December 09, 2010, 03:50:09 PM
OK, we're rockin again. I was having trouble finding pistons that I could buy in the usual manner, you know, with money. Most everybody i found who could supply some wanted my left nut......Anyway upon the big auction site I( and yes you found it too Rev) found a guy trying to sell a project motor that had fallen over. He'd bought all the parts and had the machining done and then the project had conked out.Essentially it has the parts we had in the bottom end we did 193 with this year. It cost less than the re-bore might have cost us...

It came with sundry other bits and pieces....."ah, yeah, we're pretty right for heads thanks".in fact I left a lot of stuff behind. I had to do a six hour round trip to what's called Gippsland on one of the wettest days of the year and he was in one of the hilly bits, gee that was fun.

The pistons hadn't been fitted to the rods which was good because they're off to get coated.

We'll keep you updated......
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on December 09, 2010, 06:17:18 PM
 :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on December 09, 2010, 07:04:17 PM
:-D :-D :-D :-D :-D

yeah well, it's sounds silly but I was in a bit of hole about it all to be honest. It's a bad time of the year to be starting to try and co-ordinate an engine build. The series one V6 that we have been using has fallen off the radar a bit and performance pistons aren't muscling for shelf space the way they once were.....Scrounging incomplete builds, finding New old stock and that kind of thing is the only way to avoid having custom pistons made.... I don't want to put $1600 worth of pistons in a build that the last time we did it , by the looks of it, was gonna let go for a number of different reasons at the same time...until we get better at making them last we'll be sticking with these things we just got.

Am investigating slightly bigger injectors...then the oil mods that have been suggested...

later.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on December 14, 2010, 06:46:42 PM
So I'm standing in the little shed, staring at the motor and noticed that the rods on pistons 1, 3, and five are the ones with the blue ended conrods
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on December 14, 2010, 08:06:48 PM
Coriolis effect?  :lol:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Geo on December 14, 2010, 08:15:22 PM
No, that's odd.  :wink:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on December 14, 2010, 08:33:24 PM
No, that's odd.  :wink:
Eeeeeeeeek.  :roll: Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Peter Jack on December 14, 2010, 09:04:29 PM
Well they sure weren't even when they were done!!! :evil: :evil: :evil:

Pete
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on December 15, 2010, 05:10:40 AM
No, that's odd.  :wink:
Eeeeeeeeek.  :roll: Wayno


Yes
However it's evenly odd on an evenfire engine
G
Title: Deka batteries
Post by: Dr Goggles on December 21, 2010, 11:29:25 PM
Hi All
we need a new battery , we had a copy of an Odyssey PC680, it has been suggested we use a Deka, anyone had experience with them?, they are a bit cheaper than the Odyssey($330+) for which I would have to give them the Colonel and part of the Reverends breeding aparatus..

The last battery we had lasted about fifty starts and carked it, cheapskates get their just desserts I hear you say, yeah well.....

they need to be 100mmx150mmx175mm and dish out a constant 280CCA min.

adios
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank new pistons and battery isolator
Post by: grumm441 on December 22, 2010, 03:36:42 AM
new pistons and battery isolator
G

(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc28/grumm441/374/Pistons.jpg)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on December 22, 2010, 04:10:23 AM
mmm... shiny...
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: ben james on December 22, 2010, 07:14:48 AM
hi stew,
deka batteries are the go.
there the same mob who make all the harley batteries.
use one in my kwacka.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on December 22, 2010, 07:41:48 AM
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/DEKA-BATTERY-HARLEY-SOFTAIL-DYNA-CHOPPER-BOBBER-ETX20L-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem20b58d65a8QQitemZ140484896168QQptZMotorcyclesQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories

Not sure of size...

Go to bed Ben.

rH+
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank new pistons and battery isolator
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on December 22, 2010, 09:14:02 PM
new pistons and battery isolator
G

(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc28/grumm441/374/Pistons.jpg)

Just in time for Christmas.   :cheers:

Happy Holidays, boyz!
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on December 22, 2010, 09:33:07 PM
As recommended by Larry Perkins.
6 Times Bathurst winner and engineer.
So that lets you know that winning Bathurst is more important in Aus than being an engineer

G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: racergeo on December 22, 2010, 09:41:51 PM
   Whats with the dish in the top of piston are you goina runna turbo mate?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on December 22, 2010, 10:06:30 PM
As recommended by Larry Perkins.
6 Times Bathurst winner and engineer.
So that lets you know that winning Bathurst is more important in Aus than being an engineer

G

If he won that race 6 times, he's pressing his luck.  That track's a widowmaker.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on December 23, 2010, 02:29:56 AM
   Whats with the dish in the top of piston are you goina runna turbo mate?

It's so I have somewhere to ash my cigarette while I'm assembling the motor?

Really , we (Dr Goggles) purchased a short motor unassembled for a reasonable price off the large auction site. It had been bored , and that's the pistons it came with. Which are pretty much all that is available for that motor on our (Dr Goggles) budget. I haven't measured them yet, but I'm guessing less than 20cc dish
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: wobblywalrus on December 23, 2010, 12:44:49 PM
The Triumph engine was in a similar state last winter.  It was a collection of good quality parts from all over the country.  The barrels, pistons, rods, and gudeon pins were packed up and sent to an engine builder who is knows about the motors and land speed racing.  I simply asked him look over the parts, see if they were OK, check the clearances, and adjust as needed.  The parts came back quickly and I measured them.  He did some honing and many clearances were looser than I would have used.  It was money well spent.  My engine might have chirped up solid if I had not done that. 
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on December 24, 2010, 05:53:42 PM
   Whats with the dish in the top of piston are you goina runna turbo mate?

Racergeo

There is some talk of fitting a Eaton blower that is lying around at my place
G

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Freud on December 24, 2010, 06:13:12 PM
Dr Goggles........I understand the opposite seasons in your world verses the perfect winter that we are experiencing on the proper side of the

Equator, butt pull up your short pants and get productive.

By the time you digest the advice that us Yanks give you, the Down Under racing season will have concluded.

Ask some kid in the 4th grade at school. He won't steer you wrong.

Oh BTY, is Christmas in June where u live?

With all benevolence,

FREUD

 
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on December 26, 2010, 05:58:36 PM
   Whats with the dish in the top of piston are you goina runna turbo mate?
They come in at 9.6:1 George, can't get any flat tops for them here...it was late in the game when we realised we needed them, they are exactly the same ones that were in the 2010 motor.


As recommended by Larry Perkins.
6 Times Bathurst winner and engineer.
So that lets you know that winning Bathurst is more important in Aus than being an engineer
G

including a "last to first"win in 1995, he's a character that's for sure.......

Dr Goggles........I understand the opposite seasons in your world verses the perfect winter that we are experiencing on the proper side of the

Equator, butt pull up your short pants and get productive.

By the time you digest the advice that us Yanks give you, the Down Under racing season will have concluded.

Ask some kid in the 4th grade at school. He won't steer you wrong.

Oh BTY, is Christmas in June where u live?

With all benevolence,

FREUD

Digest is the word I guess fERD, that where you take something in and turn it to shit right?..........I've done a fair bit of that....

As for fourth graders well, yesterday we had a knock at the door and the lady of the house was confronted by our neighbour from across the street and her stepson who she had dragged by the ear to apologise for swearing at school,( yes , she teaches at the school around the corner)..poor bastard, an uncomfortable situation for everyone...."wasn't really the place for her to say "oh it's OK, you're a boofhead but I reckon you're alright".....

No. he didn't have any useful tips for the racing program......

Same to you Freud and as for right side of the equator...it's a new day every day here, you just get our leftovers :wink: :wink: :wink:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on December 26, 2010, 07:29:11 PM
Dr Goggles........I understand the opposite seasons in your world verses the perfect winter that we are experiencing on the proper side of the  Equator, butt pull up your short pants and get productive.
By the time you digest the advice that us Yanks give you, the Down Under racing season will have concluded.

FREUD

Racing season?  Huh
We have one meeting a year. That's why I head over there in August
I've got to wait now for the balancers to come back from there holidays. then it's going together

It's supposed to be summer here. Christmas is usually around 100° and I'm sitting here with the heater on wearing thermals under my clothes. And from all reports it's snowing in the high country just north of here.
Melbourne, if you don't like the weather, wait a minute.
So we are trying to book a holiday somewhere warm
G



Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: racergeo on December 27, 2010, 07:16:20 AM
  I'm visiting my daughter in Australia and the highlight so far is my ride in the baddest street car I have ever ridden in. A new Holden with a modification similar to what Nikey Chev would have done back in the day. This was called a Walkenshaw Supercharged. It is a 660 hp 6 sp trans super car. It went 260 km so easy and it had more!!! What a thrill. I reckon the Holden SS ute is my favorite though. Wish they had them in the U. S.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on December 27, 2010, 08:06:20 AM
  I reckon the Holden SS ute is my favorite though. Wish they had them in the U. S.

We almost did.

http://trucks.about.com/od/pontiacg8sporttruck/a/g8_sport_truck.htm

I STILL miss my Dodge Rampage.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on December 27, 2010, 08:42:56 AM
I STILL miss my Dodge Rampage.

This guy is pretty funny.....

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2010/01/curbside-classic-1985-dodge-daytona-with-k-car-bonus/

  I'm visiting my daughter in Australia and the highlight so far is my ride in the baddest street car I have ever ridden in. A new Holden with a modification similar to what Nikey Chev would have done back in the day. This was called a Walkenshaw Supercharged. It is a 660 hp 6 sp trans super car. It went 260 km so easy and it had more!!! What a thrill. I reckon the Holden SS ute is my favorite though. Wish they had them in the U. S.


that sounds like fun :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Cajun Kid on December 27, 2010, 05:09:35 PM
  I reckon the Holden SS ute is my favorite though. Wish they had them in the U. S.

We almost did.

http://trucks.about.com/od/pontiacg8sporttruck/a/g8_sport_truck.htm

I STILL miss my Dodge Rampage.


MM,  A fellow racer here in NC came up to my house and bought my 20ft V Nose Car Hauler back in the summer so he could haul his new LSR project Dodge Rampage...

I hope he puts his build on the forum.

Charles
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on December 27, 2010, 05:29:30 PM
Doc, we'll get this thread back to you shortly.  As a Ute driver yourself, I beg your patience.

I actually owned 2 Rampages.  Both had the 2.2, and they were both remarkably quick.  Just perfect for a semipro musician's gear, cheap to keep, and always drew a second glance.

The first one was sideswiped by a semi, which knocked me sideways and in front of the offending rig, where it proceeded to push me sideways down I-43 until the left front tire blew out and sent me careening into the divider.  I walked away, my load unscathed, save the load in my shorts, but that's why I bought a second one.

Try to find one today, and like Studebaker's, most have either rusted away, or have been turned into race cars.

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on December 28, 2010, 02:59:03 AM
Doc, we'll get this thread back to you shortly.  As a Ute driver yourself, I beg your patience.

MM
Hijacking the thread. Meh

It seems we in Aus will make a ute out of anything
The rules committee of our club are having some discussions regarding the changeover to the scta rulebook
In our book we have a ute class. These are sort of like pickups, but have a one piece body/tray
It is felt that there should be an Aussie ute class locally.

So Recergeo
Have you had a ride in a ford FPV ute?
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: racergeo on December 28, 2010, 03:38:35 AM
   I just went to Ford Performance Vehicals web sight. I would be the first to admit that Ford in AU has it all over Ford U.S. but they are still way back of the Walkinshaw Holden. It is unreal.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: racergeo on December 28, 2010, 07:52:24 PM
 Just watched a documentary on the 2008 Cook Shoot Out. It was produced here in Australia and was on Turbo Max 2 telie channel that is similar to our Speed channel. I reckon it was an excellent coverage. It featured the Ack Attack motor cycle record and had wonderful coverage of Burklands getting the FIA record at 415. Also covered was the speed Demon going 380 with the 4 cyld and I believe the Morman Missle went 340 before catching fire. A great production that I havent seen in the U.S. I am going to try to have a brother inlaw DVR it for me as it is on again this evening. It is supposed to be neer 100 deg by week end. Looking forward to it. 8-)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on December 28, 2010, 08:58:08 PM
Just watched a documentary on the 2008 Cook Shoot Out. It was produced here in Australia and was on Turbo Max 2 telie channel that is similar to our Speed channel. I reckon it was an excellent coverage. It featured the Ack Attack motor cycle record and had wonderful coverage of Burklands getting the FIA record at 415. Also covered was the speed Demon going 380 with the 4 cyld and I believe the Morman Missle went 340 before catching fire. A great production that I havent seen in the U.S. I am going to try to have a brother inlaw DVR it for me as it is on again this evening. It is supposed to be neer 100 deg by week end. Looking forward to it. 8-)
:?....he's better informed than us!....good to see you're having a time, how long are you about for?...... Ask if your BIL knows the Kularis, they run a 68 Ford with something more exotic than a Clevo....... I'm not sure it may even be a cammer...they're from Shep, hey they probably live next door!
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: racergeo on December 29, 2010, 06:14:48 AM
  I am arranging a race at LeMans Karting in Dandenong South on Sat. newyear day. probably be around 2pm Email me if you can attend. Love to have you come by. George
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 01, 2011, 05:44:49 PM
  I am arranging a race at LeMans Karting in Dandenong South on Sat. newyear day. probably be around 2pm Email me if you can attend. Love to have you come by. George

Was still in Central Victoria at that point nursing a bears head, how did it go?

Today is the first day of the 2011 preparations, the way it looks out there we'll be spending most of it re-settling spiders..........

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/P1020266.jpg)

After a long and severe drought it is almost as wet as it has ever been, what with all this plenty comes spiders, we have the Redback Spider in, under and behind everything in our back yard, their only saving grace is they are timid and slow. ..... but they're poisonous, sometimes lethal, but mostly just painful....They are a smart-dressing cousin of the Black Widow.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redback_spider
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Geo on January 01, 2011, 06:25:34 PM
Wondering how you were doing after seeing a report on the severe flooding.  An area the size of Texas  :-o  The photo from a helicopter showed water almost to the roof for as far as you could see.  I do not remember the location.  Maybe on the other side of the Continent.

I have a love hate thing about spiders.  Love them for catching bugs, hate them for the webs and bites.

Have a Happy New Year!

Geo
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Tman on January 01, 2011, 06:36:41 PM
Ditto on the weather, hope you guys and all my other Aussie pals are OK!?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: wobblywalrus on January 02, 2011, 01:50:11 AM
Those redback spiders have a bizarre sex life.  I hope you guys do not watch them too close and get any ideas.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 02, 2011, 02:01:26 AM
it ain't that unusual :wink:

Didn't see a red-back all day....but everywhere there were Daddy Long Legs spiders which are a natural predator of the red-back.......seems the natural scheme of boom and bust is well under way.............

We spent the day cleaning up the shed and the frame. We took the floor off ( it wenton before the whole lot got painted)and hoisted the frame into the air and tipped it on it's side cleaned up all the rusty bits and then gave them a thick slop of zinc-oxide primer....here's the Rev daubing away
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/P1020267.jpg)
.....no powder coating here folks.

And to T-Man, Geo and anyone else who is wondering we are flood free here( Sunshine, Melbourne eastern end, down the bottom). Queensland , the North Eastern corner of the country is under ten feet in the dry places and more in the rest.............

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: ben james on January 02, 2011, 04:04:52 AM
lifestyles of the poor & infamous
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on January 02, 2011, 12:45:02 PM
I'm liking this chain hoist arrangement.  Seems "the shed" is better equipped than its diminutive name might imply. 

Half the battle is having the proper tools at your disposal.

And for all the advantages that powder coating and high tech paints may provide, as frequently as cars like these are disassembled, I'm agreeing with you on the Rembrandt method.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Peter Jack on January 02, 2011, 04:01:36 PM
The fact is that if you think you're ever going to add brackets or modify the chassis in any way that involves welding you'll be very thankful that you chose paint over powder. :-D :-D :-D

Pete
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Tman on January 02, 2011, 04:21:47 PM
The fact is that if you think you're ever going to add brackets or modify the chassis in any way that involves welding you'll be very thankful that you chose paint over powder. :-D :-D :-D

Pete

Glad to hear all is well.

Yup, powder is nice until you need to change something.

But, aound these parts you look a 4wds with powdercoated tube bumpers (hot 80s style) and the salt has attacked the metal UNDER the powder making a nasty rotten mess!
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: generatorshovel on January 02, 2011, 04:35:48 PM
Those redback spiders have a bizarre sex life. 
Not unlike our Doc  :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 04, 2011, 12:24:11 AM
Those redback spiders have a bizarre sex life. 
Not unlike our Doc  :cheers:

You said you'd never tell!

Today I had a chat to a man about a fuel injection dog.......... more accurately he is a fuel injection specialist and suggested we use 440cc injectors and use an adjustable fool pressure reg.....

Anyone have anything they'd like to say about adjustable regs , he suggested SARD, there seem to be lots of cheaper ones....do tell....
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on January 04, 2011, 10:20:49 AM
Noonan knows more about tuning by adjusting fuel pressure than anyone I know of.  As I understand it, he gets a good INITIAL tune on the eng after assembly---then basically tunes by changing the fuel pressuer based on previous experience and reading the plugs to adjust fuel pressure to track and current conditions.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Rex Schimmer on January 04, 2011, 12:19:48 PM
Doc,
There is a company "Airflow Performance" that makes variable pressure fuel injection. I heard about it on the "Fuel Injection" forum. Their systems are for airplanes and probably costly but variable pressure control does work.


BTW, there is a "law:" by someone that says:
"Work expands to fill the time alotted." and it looks like you are making sure this law is working!!! Your meet is only a couple of months away and you look like you have about 6 months of work. Hang in there!!

Rex
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 04, 2011, 04:04:27 PM
BTW, there is a "law:" by someone that says:
"Work expands to fill the time alotted." and it looks like you are making sure this law is working!!! Your meet is only a couple of months away and you look like you have about 6 months of work. Hang in there!!
Rex

We don't agree on everything Rex, but you hit the nail on the head there....I have to draw on some of the blind faith that got me through the initial build right now because I coming from waaaaay back
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on January 04, 2011, 06:40:34 PM
Divide and conquer - get out the chalk board/clip board - stay to task - most of the decisions have been made - 75 days with a crew of 3 - this is doable.  I was still waiting for my tub at that point.

Of course, we won't discuss my time slip . . .

If I've been keeping it straight, it's a Grummy built short block already under construction, new heads, fuel delivery, rear end courtesy of SPARKY, and some tidying, yes? 

And of course, your sending flowers to your slow suppliers . . .

Will the present pump keep up with the 440 injectors?

Sprinkle in a few trips for work, a few gigs at the pub, a couple of "honey-do" days - you're still golden.

 :cheers:
 
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 04, 2011, 07:16:32 PM
Not putting the new rear end in for this meet, we'll be looking at that later in the year.

The motor build hasn't started at all, the balancers don't open again until next Monday.

I'm about to order the injectors and reg. Yes the pump will keep up it's one of the Bosch externals, from memory a 910 or 044...can't remember which off hand but they both support over 450hp.

The guy who the injectors came from is all in a lather about our de-stroked build, he runs Pro-stock so he's all about NA power, he runs a destroked motor.........

This weekend I have a write up to do at the Kustom Nationals at Phillip Island, and then a gig with the girls....... Not much time for the car this weekend...also looking at buying Steve Barnett's F250 as a tow-vehicle.....so much to do, so little time...

As for Honey-do we finally moved back into the lounge room which had been redecoratedI did a worse paint job than on the car, and that's sayin somethin), haven't finished the hall yet but at least we don't have the contents of the biggest room jammed into every single space in the rest of the house....


...and then there's all the flower arranging to do. :wink: :wink: :wink:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on January 04, 2011, 09:26:00 PM
I'm liking this chain hoist arrangement.  Seems "the shed" is better equipped than its diminutive name might imply. 

Half the battle is having the proper tools at your disposal.

That chain hoist is lent by team member Pete Quick and it has been well used. There is no way the shed roof would hold the car so we built an A-frame out of scaffold tubes that were given to me to use as lighting poles for a play I produced. So scavenged and borrowed. We do have some steel on the car from something stolen so that about completes the trade barter methods...

The shed is a shed in the most rudimentry sense. There is no glass in the window and it is hot in summer, cold in winter, the floor is not level, and there is shimming distance only around the car. I did do a design for a funky new shed but better the money went into the car (and Dr G's impending nuptuals...)


rH+
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on January 08, 2011, 08:30:33 AM

If I've been keeping it straight, it's a Grummy built short block already under construction, new heads, fuel delivery, rear end courtesy of SPARKY, and some tidying, yes? 
 

I just got back from the other end of the continent.(the south west end) 3700 mile round trip. and what I learned was that the dirt roads in West Aus are better than the paved roads where I live.
went to place where the beach is white as the salt and came back with sunburn in the same spots. The VW ran perfectly and I only lost one tyre on the pt Augusta Iron Knob road.
The motor will be on the go on Monday.
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 08, 2011, 07:16:46 PM
Now that's a relief, see, I thought you'd either followed the gold rush or joined a cult....to anyone who's wondering between where we are and where he went is what is known as the Nullabor....
(http://www.australiantraveller.com/images/imported/008_nullarbor091.jpg)

It's as good a test of a relationship as you'll find a thousand miles from Ceduna to Norseman and you can pretty much lash the wheel, it's kind of warm out there at this time of the year too. My family went to Western Australia for a holiday when I was 9, it was a dirt road then.

I went to the Kustom Nats yesterday at Phillip Island.............
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/LimeSled.jpg)
 where they hold the Australian Moto GP,it was stinkin hot, almost all of the show is on a paved car-park..... by arrangement with a local who he as travelling with I sprang a surprise on Racergeo from the board here...I was there to write a story for one of the local car magazines and "chanced " across two guys looking at a 51 custom pick up..... Lets just say George was more than a little surprised when the guy with the little voice-recorder who was asking him questions shook his hand and said "George , James or , Dr Goggles...."it was pretty funny..... Thanks to Ian for teeing that up.......

George and Ian both have some useful suggestions about our engine build, Colonel , you and me have got some stuff to discuss......

As always just when I thought I'd finally decided something someone comes along and throws a spanner in.........
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: wobblywalrus on January 09, 2011, 09:10:20 PM
Shed getting a little small?  In these parts folks simply move a wall out every five or ten years.  The distance moved is what they figure the building inspector will not notice.  Those pesky permits are expensive.  Also, the addition should not appear new.  There is no need to attract the taxman's attention.  Stylewise, the freshly constructed widening should not match anything in the neighborhood or the original building.  Just letting you guys know how things are done on the other side of the world.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 09, 2011, 09:43:09 PM
yes, and it was built " oh, at least seven years ago , maybe seven years and two weeks even"........if something was built more than seven years prior you no longer need to have the building permit
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: racergeo on January 10, 2011, 04:43:44 AM
Gid’day all youse blokes,

I’m in Shepparton in Oz now as I’m visiting me rellies down under. My mate Ian has been busy getting me to revhead and show yer wheels type do’s in an effort to keep me doing sumpt’n but more to stop me and the cheese and kisses having a barney; as it is now she still has gone butchers hook a couple of times (but I needed those 15 NSK  bearings I bought – I might even be able to use a couple in my next worked billie cart..

Anyway, Ian got us both to a Kustom Kar National at Phillip Island Race Circuit last Saterdee, it was as hot and sticky as a sand goanna’s crotch but some real trick cars were there. Aussies are motor heads and their cars have tickled my fancy. Struth they have some bonza street legal rides, faster than a just cut tom cat and way less noise...  

There I was having a butchers at a smick 50 chev ute  and this bloke sidles up to me and starts chin wagging. He soon spots me for a septic tank and I think he’s about to put the bite on me sumpen awful like when he tells me he’s a journo doing a story for a car magazine and that his recording my comments for a part of his article. I had him sussed for a snake oil salesman when he lets the cat out of the bag and tell me he’s the notorious Dr Goggles! Fair dinkum! I’m standing there like a stunned mullet in a sand storm when it dawns on me that I’m yarning with Dr Goggles and I can understand every word he’s saying!!!!   For the first time in this country I’m conversing with an Aussie and I’m not having to say huh, say again, what was that or could you just speak English?  

So I start reckoning something is dodgy and maybe it’s a set up by my china plate Ian as he had heard me talking about the Dr. and his lakester. It was weird! This bloke claimed to be Australian and yet I could understand every word he said. It was the first intelligent discussion of any length since coming here that didn’t make me think my head was going to explode like a dead wombat.  

Just what’s going on? I mean have I caught strine flu from a mad mozzie since getting here?  

Would that fake drongo Dr Goggles please tell the real Dr Goggles that I’m on to him.
He must be that ugly that he sent that handsome ring in in his place.

Lastly, I hope this Aussie language doesn’t rub off on me.

    Your revhead mate  George… hooning in my sixties…

 


 

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: racergeo on January 10, 2011, 04:48:44 AM
The Infamous Doctor Goggles unmasked downunder!!!!

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on January 10, 2011, 05:36:39 AM
Gid’day all youse blokes,

I’m in Shepparton in Oz now as I’m visiting me rellies down under. My mate Ian has been busy getting me to revhead and show yer wheels type do’s in an effort to keep me doing sumpt’n but more to stop me and the cheese and kisses having a barney; as it is now she still has gone butchers hook a couple of times (but I needed those 15 NSK  bearings I bought – I might even be able to use a couple in my next worked billie cart..

Anyway, Ian got us both to a Kustom Kar National at Phillip Island Race Circuit last Saterdee, it was as hot and sticky as a sand goanna’s crotch but some real trick cars were there. Aussies are motor heads and their cars have tickled my fancy. Struth they have some bonza street legal rides, faster than a just cut tom cat and way less noise... 

There I was having a butchers at a smick 50 chev ute  and this bloke sidles up to me and starts chin wagging. He soon spots me for a septic tank and I think he’s about to put the bite on me sumpen awful like when he tells me he’s a journo doing a story for a car magazine and that his recording my comments for a part of his article. I had him sussed for a snake oil salesman when he lets the cat out of the bag and tell me he’s the notorious Dr Goggles! Fair dinkum! I’m standing there like a stunned mullet in a sand storm when it dawns on me that I’m yarning with Dr Goggles and I can understand every word he’s saying!!!!   For the first time in this country I’m conversing with an Aussie and I’m not having to say huh, say again, what was that or could you just speak English? 

So I start reckoning something is dodgy and maybe it’s a set up by my china plate Ian as he had heard me talking about the Dr. and his lakester. It was weird! This bloke claimed to be Australian and yet I could understand every word he said. It was the first intelligent discussion of any length since coming here that didn’t make me think my head was going to explode like a dead wombat. 

Just what’s going on? I mean have I caught stine flu from a mad mozzie since getting here?   

Would that fake drongo Dr Goggles please tell the real Dr Goggles that I’m on to him.
He must be that ugly that he sent that handsome ring in in his place.

Lastly, I hope this Aussie language doesn’t rub off on me.

    Your revhead mate  George… hooning in my sixties…

Fair dinkum Cobber, you must have been gobsmacked
and good onya, your startin to speak like a tru blu Strayln

I've got admit, when I was in the US, I was staring to wonder if anyone there spoke English
Any time I needed a fix of Strine I just looked for a Dodge Caravan. It seems that's all you can hire when you're from Aus
One guy at motorcycle tech asked me if I was from the south? Arkansas maybe?
Tom Evans answered for me, "No, he's from much further south than that!"
G

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: maj on January 10, 2011, 07:31:17 AM
George if your staying at Ians in this rain keep an eye on that river , its about to get its third hi tide this summer
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Tman on January 10, 2011, 11:07:30 AM
Shed getting a little small?  In these parts folks simply move a wall out every five or ten years.  The distance moved is what they figure the building inspector will not notice.  Those pesky permits are expensive.  Also, the addition should not appear new.  There is no need to attract the taxman's attention.  Stylewise, the freshly constructed widening should not match anything in the neighborhood or the original building.  Just letting you guys know how things are done on the other side of the world.

Local hotrodder up here kept enclosing carports and adding fence/walls until his "garage" wrapped around two sides of his Victorian house in our historic district :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: racergeo on January 10, 2011, 04:32:30 PM
 I joked to me sister inlaw that I brought this rain from Wash. USA she said don't tell anyone from Queens Land that :lol: They said it rained more on Sunday then it does in the normal summer! Drought broken. (here in Shepp)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: k.h. on January 11, 2011, 11:19:13 AM
Everyone safe down there?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: maj on January 11, 2011, 04:39:54 PM
The usual crew like myself are down south and only minor local flooding
but 1000 miles north is where its more problem, last i heard there are 78 missing and 10 confirmed dead,   be absolutely devastating up there
an example of the flash flooding there experiencing
http://video.heraldsun.com.au/1735546960/Incredible-flash-flood-footage?area=videoindex2
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 11, 2011, 05:38:28 PM
The dead and missing that Greg mentioned are mostly in Toowoomba, there are no provsions for flooding there because it is on a huge escarpment on the edge of the Darling Downs ,who ever thought it could flood?. If you Google map Toowoomba Qld Australia you will see the escarpment to the east. That there was a two metre wave coming into town in an area like that is just astonishing. There are vast areas inland from there that are inundated and several towns have been almost completely devastated.Brisbane , the capital of Queensland is downstream from Toowoomba and it is expected that up to 10,000 houses will be flooded.Sad day indeed.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Tman on January 11, 2011, 06:07:19 PM
The videos show some nasty flooding, been through that and don't wish it on anyone.


Doc, a question............................where in this thread can I find pics of your canopy and latch system???
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 11, 2011, 06:53:05 PM
Doc, a question............................where in this thread can I find pics of your canopy and latch system???

The answer to that would be ,"divino" .

We used the latch from a Ford station wagon tailgate on either side of the canopy, then used a flush mount door handle to operate them . I used clutch line with stainless steel cable running through it and for the inside release I just left a loop of cable next to the right hand side catch. Jerk that back and the canopy pops. The canopy itself is made from the canopy of a Machi jet trainer. It wasn't a perfect profile so we cut it along where you see the straps allowing us to pull it in a little tighter.We bought two of the canopies, we used the crap one first....figuring if we stuffed it we have a better one, well after a couple of weeks work we were in no hurry to do it all again so we have to polish about an 1/8th of an inch off it to get the UV crazing out...
OK here some historical posts...

. Dr Goggoles informs me last weekend he completed the canopy hinge and it works pretty well.

Rev. H+

Yeah , what he said :mrgreen:........Tiz true what he sayeth......... The flip front flips up...not much else at the moment but true to the Right Reverends design it works .Right now It's a quarter past Ten on a Sunday which means it's "Tank Day" however it is 37 degrees Celcius and our state Victoria is on fire in a pretty serious fashion , visibilty was down to a quarter mile in the city yesterday , 100 miles from the nearest fire.

This week I am off to pick up a "large component" for a late model passenger vehicle designed by one of the larger worldwide manufacturers .Through an astonishing alignment of good luck ,good fortune and table manners it was found to have our name on it and thus to be unusable for it's designated purpose ,we have an inkling that we might be able to squeeze it into a little project of ours.......have I said too much Rev'?

then the Rev's reply...

No, not too much but it implies that the large component was stolen which I would like to catagorically state that it was not.

I have completed sassembling the Megasquirt, took about 12 hours over various nights. Haven't started practicing tuning yet but looks good to go.

Also may have our canopy problem sussed. Have found two ex Macchi jet trainer canopies for sale (for charity no less!) at $100 each. Hope they fit! (Anyone know the best way to polish out scratches?)

Reverend Hedgash  :evil:
The farther faster Father

more about the canopy...

...just finished a bit of a " lock in ' on the tank and we've got most of the body sorted out ,  the screen is roughed , the exact method of mounting it , the upper nose body panel,and the superstructure that it all hinges on are still a little "fluid" but it's a lot closer than it was , um , nine days ago.An old friend dropped in while we were at the screen , he 's in the forces and used to be a Blackhawk mechanic...watched us muck around for an hour discussing how we'd join the pieces of screen with these strips of Al , before telling us ...... "how it was done" ...we were on the right track , thankfully.The top cowl is welded to the body and it has been re-cut as the " bonnet" and tail sections....We've finished the tub by welding a 3mm floor of Al as a skin.We had to add about 50mm (2") down one side because as the tank is a wing-tip fit it wasn't entirely symetrical along what we wanted to use as the floor line , it looks pretty scummy ( the welding) but it all gets ground , bashed , bondo'd and painted in the end I guess .

Some dill got sand in all sorts of places that has made our engine man most unhappy with said wielder of sand-blaster....like everywhere dude!!! :oops:

still building...

Today is "Australia Day"....yes , a holiday and yes that means we're back on the tank......who'd a thunk it , crikey ! will it ever be done??? We'll be framing the canopy as we're now happy with the shape and alignment , attaching it to the bodywork still needs a little consideration but it's mostly sorted.As for paint , the way it's going at the moment I'll be painting it on the trailer , on the way there.....

farewell fast friends , I got stuff to do..............

building the canopy...

OK, now it is starting to get serious.

Our canopy has been cut and folded in. Yeah we probably should have heated it as everyone said but it is a half inch thick our test with a heat gun yellowed it before it got enough heat into it to bend and we running against time to build something to bend it.

We are happy with the result anyway as we have made a suitable face with a suitable attitude for the car which was the one design element missing from the rendered designs.

The whole canopy hinges from the nose.

Spent a couple of hours with the Lady Hedgash on the couch last night polishing the scratches out of the canopy in front of Top Gear. Going successfully but the couch is getting a bit messy.

(http://www.landracing.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=862.0;attach=1442;image)
(http://www.landracing.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=862.0;attach=1443;image)
Reverend H+


side windows

Dr Goggles aluminium skills are coming through with the body coming together nicely.
(http://www.landracing.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=862.0;attach=1444;image)

(http://www.landracing.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=862.0;attach=1448;image)

We have also put side windows in to assist vision when turning into pits, etc. These we have based on chopped hot rod style windows and will be a piece of curved lexan screwed in.

Firewall has been completed to the body edge and have clad the top of the rollcage in steel to protect from intrusion there.

Our seat is also attached and the back is louvred. coooooooool.

rH+

more canopy...

(http://www.landracing.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=862.0;attach=1461;image)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Tman on January 11, 2011, 08:02:54 PM
Ok thanks, I found a couple of those shots after I typed that.  :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on January 12, 2011, 01:00:34 AM
Someone earlier on the thread mentioned the floods were bigger than Texas, well now they are bigger than the whole of France and Germany combined!!!

That be a lot of water.

Incidentally, the area of Texas is 268,581sq miles, whereas our state of Queensland is over twice as big at 668,207 sq miles, which currently 3/4 is now desinated as a natural disaster area.

Luckily the Lake Gairdner catchment basin is not part of this system at all and a looooong way away...

rH+

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on January 12, 2011, 07:18:22 PM
Which brings up a question.  We're getting close enough to March to wonder about the salt at Lake Gairdner.  Any word on the lakebed, or any long range forecasts?

Our hearts go out to the folks in Queensland.  I helped with a small rebuild in Biloxi, Mississippi after Katrina, and my parents lost their church in Cedar Rapids, Iowa in 2008 to a 500 year flood.

I hate to say it, but it's going to be a mess for quite a while.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: generatorshovel on January 12, 2011, 08:08:51 PM
For those who have not seen the DLRA christmas salt condition report yet
http://www.dlra.org.au/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1392&start=15
Tiny dlra#484
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: wobblywalrus on January 16, 2011, 01:09:00 AM
Rose and I just watched the flood video together.  The cars along the river all new by American standards.  Where are all of the older and beat up cars like we drive here? 
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 16, 2011, 01:32:38 AM
Rose and I just watched the flood video together.  The cars along the river all new by American standards.  Where are all of the older and beat up cars like we drive here? 

parked on my front lawn :-D

Oh, and in my drive.

Out front of the Colonel's house,in his drive.....dismantled in his roof, lounge room, kitchen..........

just as well we don't have 14 year old daughters, they'd most likely be sittin' at the dinner table smoking......in front of their kids.

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on January 16, 2011, 02:20:49 AM
Or upside down in my neighbours front yard

No, all the old cars that still survive are carefully hidden in garages and climate controlled sheds
I've almost stopped driving my old car due to the unwanted attention it now gets, and the lack of Aircon and power steering. Someone offered me $10,000 last time I drove it. Drove off laughing.
And with the price of new cars here, who would own an old car.
Anyhow, Got to get back to building the boat, the line of pairs of animals out the front is getting longer
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on January 16, 2011, 04:47:32 PM
Is the an "ark" class for Speedweek?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on January 16, 2011, 05:43:34 PM
Is the an "ark" class for Speedweek?

I don't really noah
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 16, 2011, 07:59:46 PM
Is there an "ark" class for Speedweek?

I don't really noah
G

I wooden Noah either, but we do drive through Ararat to get there so I'd be pre-paired all the same.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: wobblywalrus on January 17, 2011, 12:14:34 AM
The BBC news here is posting news about floods in Victoria where you fellows live.  Good luck.  I hope all of you do OK.  Remember, save in ascending order of importance, the family pictures, important documents, and the belly tank.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on January 17, 2011, 08:30:12 AM
Is the an "ark" class for Speedweek?

Yes, but the authority limits it to two horsepower, it must have originally been designed for "continuous, long term occupation of livestock", and have a maximum capacity of 450,000 cubic cubits.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on January 17, 2011, 05:08:44 PM
With a horse being a clean beast, I think it can be seven horsepower :

Genesis 7:2
Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female.

It wouldn't be a real class without some argy bargy about the rules...

Here endeth the lesson.

Reverend H+

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Drewfus on January 22, 2011, 06:48:38 AM
you assume the horse is clean......most I know are a crappy brown, or off white....

 :-D

Hurry up, march is only weeks away... :wink:

Cheers,

Drewfus :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on January 22, 2011, 10:59:19 AM
Far be it from me to argue religion with the Reverend, but at the risk of being labled a heretic, I understand that the extra "clean beasts" were brought along for food. 

But, according to Leviticus, Chapter 11, Verse 3, Moses stated that the conditions for what was determined a "Clean Beast" were as follows -

"Whatsoever parteth the hoof, and is clovenfooted, and cheweth the cud, among the beasts, that shall ye eat."

Under this definition, horses do not qualify, and the ark would be limited to two.
 
Just like all LSR rules, there seems to be some points of "tribal knowledge" that didn't actually make it into the rule book.  In this case, seeing as Moses was the arbiter who delineated precisesly what was "clean" and "unclean", Noah could not have known precisesly what the rules were, because Moses was a few "begats' further down the lineage than Noah.  Unless horses were "grandfathered in", the ark clearly was a two-horsepower conveyance.

So if Noah was running 3x7 horses, (21 HP!) and if I were running in his class (I'm not, and few are), I might be tempted to file a challenge to the record.

And speaking of horses, Grummy, how's the motor coming? 
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 22, 2011, 05:09:24 PM
Good to hear from you Drew, lake this year?

We sent a basketballer over to Milwaukee, Bogut, big bloke, young, good goer but I don't know any Begats..maybe they were swimmers.

Try to steer away from the Old Testament in the sermon father , it scares the children.

Yesterday I started on the long and tedious process of putting the jigsaw puzzle together.First the fuel tank,lines pump and filter. I noticed that there was a spot where the line from the tank to the filter took a sharp turn and by the looks of it may have been getting sucked flat, I replaced that with 1/2 inch steel line.
I also altered a shield we had on which the fuel tank sits above the tail shaft, it's a piece of 1/4 gal steel channel.

The big job yesterday though was the steering column. It's always been what we had sorted out to get the car together and was never revisited. After the final run last year  i decided that the steering column/tacho arrangement had to change. Visibility was poor and the mounting of the column was bulky and untidy.Hopefully by this arvo I will have the wheel on, more room and be able to look directly at the track without having the tacho covering the first twenty feet in front of the car.

Last weekend the Rev and I had the floor off for a touch up and while removing it a little piece of 3/4 inch angle iron was unbolted from the rear bulkhead, it appeared to be welded to the floor, but no it wasn't, it was just sitting there touching the floor.We figured it was there for the set-up and we never got to weld it on. The floor is 1/4 inch plate and has five 3/4 inch bolts ( I had a bucket full of them from a scrappy) pulling it up against the frame. Yesterday when I looked at the floor it was arching down after the rear bulkhead and it was then I realised. The little piece of angle was the datum point to set the height for the floor fixture, without it the last bolt would be done up too tight and the tail part of the floor which overhangs would then pull down and make it impossible to fit the tail-piece of the bodywork.

It was a lesson, we put an awful amount of time in to make this stuff all fit together, we need to think very, very carefully before changing anything too much........after staring at the frame and all the ugly stuff under the skin I packed up sat down and looked at some of Frank Kletchskus's photo's, here's some good ones......

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/Bellytank4028.jpg)

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/Bellytankbelt-up015.jpg)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on January 22, 2011, 11:43:50 PM
Why do you need the frt axle wishbones?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on January 23, 2011, 03:23:24 AM
I'm just sitting here reading away
Checked my email
The guy who owes me money has just gone into administration
I better get on with that motor
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 23, 2011, 04:02:36 AM
Why do you need the frt axle wishbones?

Were I to build again Bill I'd most likely use a much heavier front axle and leave it unsupported, however, this one is 1/4wall CDS , without the wishbones we'd have a front end that would swim....... with the extreme castor, low ride height and zero suspension every time we hit a bump it would be talking in tongues and I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be poetry
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on January 23, 2011, 09:54:43 AM
 SAR  deleted  :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 23, 2011, 06:58:19 PM
SAR  deleted 


straight outa my old mans lexicon,

I took the cautious route there Bill, thinking " have I missed something here" when what was really happening was you were looking at our spaghetti axle and wondering whether it actually supports the weight of the car let alone keeps the front wheels pointing in the same direction.......

I got the steering column sorted and got the wheel on yesterday, after a tangle with the buffer......there's bound to be some excitement when you take something like this...
(http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd35/Jarman-Stewart/P4050243.jpg)

near a rag-wheel

anyway the new column is a lot more compact and will allow the tach to sit lower , it also has eliminated a little movement in the column which can't hurt.

Now I can confess that this job was forced upon me as I had a little "disassemmbly" problem with the old column , I'm glad it happened because I wouldn't have tackled it otherwise........ I was also reminded that although the whole footwell area looks fairly simple that there is precious little room to move components around. Tonight I need to do a prelim wheel alignment after shifting the steering box a good 3/8ths of an inch , great
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on January 23, 2011, 08:39:30 PM
packaging, packaging  :-P ----successful special construction cars are all about packaging  :-o
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on January 23, 2011, 08:58:03 PM
packaging, packaging  :-P ----successful special construction cars are all about packaging  :-o

Bill, I knew you would pick packaging over purdy...  :roll:


edit... my SAR
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on January 23, 2011, 09:00:07 PM
LOL  :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Skip Pipes on January 23, 2011, 09:09:56 PM
That wheel is pure art, well done.

Skip Pipes
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: bvillercr on January 23, 2011, 09:47:50 PM
That wheel is pure art, well done.

Skip Pipes

Very nice, is it upside down?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: debgeo on January 23, 2011, 10:52:02 PM
of course it is in Australia  :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 23, 2011, 11:17:27 PM
of course it is in Australia  :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
hey you should see how toilets work here.... :wink:
Very nice, is it upside down?

Na, due to the tight nature of our cab the steering column has to come between yer knees which are just below your eyeline, that slightly flared out shape is easier to grab when your elbows are resting on your hips.

No I'm not exagerating. Anyone with a special construction car with a reclining drivers pos will know this...getting comfortable is one thing, being able to see is another useful aspect and then being able to stop your helmet resting on the roll bar padding anywhere is a stipulation..........So, sit with your back against a wall, pull your knees up and then slide your backside away from the wall until your eyes are just looking over your knee caps, then hold your elbows down in the bend at the top of your thighs , that's our driving position.... that's about the only shape wheel you can use in there........ The very first time we drove the car on the concrete runway at Mangalore it was getting serious air, at that point we had a pretty rude seat, the landings weren't comfortable, last year I took a short flight somewhere near the seven mile at about 190, the landing was less stressful on the bones now that we have a better seat and 1/2inch of neoprene in there..... it's times like those that you envy people with enough room to get comfortable in.

here, from April 2008 is a description of how I made the wheel....

The first wheel we had was out of a Ford Laser which here , is a rebadged Mazda 323 .They're a  very flat wheel with a flat steel centre. I cut the top and bottom off it and then pulled the sides toward me giving a shape similar to the one shown ....neat idea but it looked pretty rough even by my standards.So I bought some half inch plate from the Aluminium merchant and started sketching it out. I found a round kitchen tray the same size as the Laser wheel and used it to give me the outside edges of the grips , then I used it give me the top and bottom concaves. So at this point I had the flat butterfly shape and it was just a case of using a hole saw to cut out the "finger-grips" and to jig-saw out the rest ( unless you've got a weldable band saw you can't cut closed circles with them).I drilled the spars and then filleted them with a coarse disc ,then I just bent them over a big anvil....rolling it would have been the go but hey why walk all the way to the next room for a screwdriver when I've got this butter knife right here in front of me...

Seriously though I did make a cardboard pattern to make sure the curves I had were right ,  but mostly it was a "feel" thing, I would definitely roll it next time but apart from that I'm happy with it and true to form it came up pretty quick...'bout two hours ....then Vaughn had it for about two months...LOL
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Tman on January 24, 2011, 04:18:15 PM
Strangely enough I started carving a wheel out of 1/2" AL the other day prior to seeing this. My pattern is strikingly similar! :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Freud on January 24, 2011, 08:28:20 PM
This is the wheel that Jim Hume fabricated for the Target550 streamliner. It will have wooden grips and I'll look for an example of them.

The holes in the front are for pneumatic switches for parachutes and I don't remember what else.

Marlo will chew my tail for posting w/o complete information.

FREUD
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 24, 2011, 08:53:31 PM
This is the wheel that Jim Hume fabricated for the Target550 streamliner. It will have wooden grips and I'll look for an example of them.

The holes in the front are for pneumatic switches for parachutes and I don't remember what else.

Marlo will chew my tail for posting w/o complete information.

FREUD

Pneumatic switches? don't gimme that guff, that's where you plug in the iPod and the top ones are vol. up and vol.down so you can adjust it without taking your hands off the wheel, anyone can see that :roll: :roll: jokes aside that's a very nice piece that I suspect took a bit more work than my effort.

Strangely enough I started carving a wheel out of 1/2" AL the other day prior to seeing this. My pattern is strikingly similar! :cheers:

Carve is the word T...I went looking for patterns and then decided the basis of what we had was what I was after.. Give yourself a flat area in the middle so you can mount some dash stuff there like a GPS and a chute switch next to that I can't make any suggestions other than I hope you luck out first time around like I did....
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Tman on January 24, 2011, 09:31:28 PM
This is the wheel that Jim Hume fabricated for the Target550 streamliner. It will have wooden grips and I'll look for an example of them.

The holes in the front are for pneumatic switches for parachutes and I don't remember what else.

Marlo will chew my tail for posting w/o complete information.

FREUD

Pneumatic switches? don't gimme that guff, that's where you plug in the iPod and the top ones are vol. up and vol.down so you can adjust it without taking your hands off the wheel, anyone can see that :roll: :roll: jokes aside that's a very nice piece that I suspect took a bit more work than my effort.

Strangely enough I started carving a wheel out of 1/2" AL the other day prior to seeing this. My pattern is strikingly similar! :cheers:

Carve is the word T...I went looking for patterns and then decided the basis of what we had was what I was after.. Give yourself a flat area in the middle so you can mount some dash stuff there like a GPS and a chute switch next to that I can't make any suggestions other than I hope you luck out first time around like I did....

Yup, good tips, thanks. That is my current plan of action!
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on January 24, 2011, 10:07:02 PM
This is the wheel that Jim Hume fabricated for the Target550 streamliner. It will have wooden grips and I'll look for an example of them.

The holes in the front are for pneumatic switches for parachutes and I don't remember what else.

Marlo will chew my tail for posting w/o complete information.

FREUD

FREUD
I like also that you made a little wooden stand so it would photograph well.

I'll get the Rev on to it

G



Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 26, 2011, 09:15:22 PM
Yesterday the brains trust got together and went at it. The colonel busied himself testing the wiring and installing a solenoid to act as a master kill. found a few salt affected connections but nothing too tragic.

The Reverend was assigned a spot at the buffer and polished all the Al bits , the inner Moons, and the cockpit trim. When I went looking for the rear inner moons I found them in a box , with the caps....it was where they were put when we fitted the transport wheels...they hadn't been cleaned. we got them looking OK with some phosphoric and green scourer but the rears that had a solid cake of salt on them( yeah , I know) have pits that go almost all the way through.......

I checked the wheel bearings, took the bodywork off the canopy and cleaned up the frame there, drilled some more drainage holes through the floor skin and did a test fit of the new suit...I can still get out of the car in under 10 seconds, but getting in?....yikes. It has been decided by she who must be obeyed that I have to lose some weight, I'm 6ft  185lb.

The F250 that I was going to buy for a tow vehicle has fallen through, it was through a good mate and he pulled out the screen to attend to a little rust only to find that it was catastrophic, the hunt is on again for a tow.

more later :wink:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 29, 2011, 10:15:44 PM
 After seeing how bad our moon discs got after last years meet I have decided to clear coat them. Just a shot of clear acrylic on the inner and outer moons where they are polished. I figure I can chuck them in a tray with some gunwash and reshoot them each year.....has this been successful for anyone else?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Tman on January 29, 2011, 11:53:34 PM
Try Gibbs? It is what the fabricatror up here use to keep stuf from rusting
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on January 30, 2011, 12:06:24 AM
We had ours hard anodized, oh yea, ya gotta wash them and the wheels immediately after you arrive home....  :cheers:  We totally disassmble the car and clean for  couple of days after the races.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on January 30, 2011, 09:55:46 AM
I clear-coated both sets of Moon discs -- the ones on the pickup and the ones on Nancy's Soobaru.  And I wash them inside and out when removing them for the winter.  I haven't found much salt on the inside of the truck's discs after a long season of towing toilets around out in the boonies of the salt, and so on, but there's always a bunch of brake dust.  Take 'em off, clean 'em, and stack them safely with the Dzus buttons in a baggie with the discs.  I speak from experience about the buttons and their proclivity for going missing.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stan Back on January 30, 2011, 01:57:51 PM
I see Jon is spelling Subaru Soobaru.  Is that 'cause the filter works backwards, too?  If you type Subaru, you get Sh!t?  We'll see.

Stan
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on January 30, 2011, 02:35:03 PM
I see Jon is spelling Subaru Soobaru.  Is that 'cause the filter works backwards, too?  If you type Subaru, you get Sh!t?  We'll see.

Stan
Or Pleiades. Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 31, 2011, 03:39:37 PM
Struck a deal to buy a flat bed with a winch yesterday which means we're going to the salt.

That's good.

It's a Ford Trader diesel which was an Australia Post truck, it was then converted to be a tow truck. The guy planned on making a business towing after hours but from what I could work out he got woken up a lot more times than he got paid and his enthusiasm waned.....

If I get the chance it'll be painted up in team colors, currently it's black and with no air-con even a 5 minute blow over in white would be preferable to the thermo-dynamic qualities of black if it's a hot week.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Tman on January 31, 2011, 03:43:13 PM
Wimp! :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on January 31, 2011, 03:55:13 PM
I guess I spell it Soob in response to our proclivity to referring, in spoken language, to it as the "Soob".  If I spelled it according to the brand name we'd be calling it as the nick name of the underwater boats, right?  And as for the dirty-word filter -- I haven't tried it in reverse.  Think I oughta?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 31, 2011, 04:03:56 PM
Hey hey, good to see the Australian Belly tank thread performing it's intended purpose as a magnet for the insane. :-P

For once Mr Boss I have blind Bambi* what you're on about.............




* no eye deer.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on January 31, 2011, 05:23:34 PM
I know sign language for "no idea"...

Strange movements indeed in the Spirit of Sunshine camp...

Dr G has bought a tow truck after 7 years of abusing me for sending him examples of possible transporters for sale on eBay!

And I, who own a motorhome, have resorted to hiring another one for the trip... I think we are getting old.

The Lady Hedgash is coming and so is our daughter, currently 20 months old. Amber has missed the last two meets due to being pregnant and then Alice being too young. But not this time, it will be a family affair. So we are hiring a motorhome with airconditioning, and having two others on board to help us pay for it.
Airco, fridge, shower, wc, luxury!

Whats more we will be flying in to Adelaide to pick up the unit cutting off 12 hours of the trip. (tix $79! bargain)

Yes, strange days indeed. Most peculiar mama.

This is the start of the campaign to get Alice to be the world's first female formula one champion. Blood her on the salt, watch Bathurst every year and then go-karts at around four I reckon. She already has watched a few Grand Prix on my knee.

Amber says she wants her to have a profession AND a trade. I would like to add a landspeed record to that too.

rH+

ps Sumner... where are you? Arre you coming?







Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on January 31, 2011, 10:25:07 PM
I can see it now -  the good Doctor highballin’ it in a butchered, un-air conditioned, cab-over, kidney busting cast off from the “Mad Max” movie set, scarfing down saltines and slammin’ tepid coffee from a cracked Thermos bottle.

Ahh, the romance of the open road.

“She who Must Be Obeyed” was talking about you dropping a few pounds – This drive will put you right at fighting weight.

And meanwhile - in Adelaide . . .

“He should have been here by now.  Honey, could you draw me a hot bath and a cold beer, please?”
 
I was seriously looking at a similar, yet older Ford cab-over – a grain hauler that still sits in my in-law’s neighbor’s machine shed.  The discussion ended when Mrs. Midget insisted that the backyard was not to be used as a parking spot for a civilian, agricultural version of a deuce-and-a-half.

Sunshine - congratulations on the acquisition – I’m jealous.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: wobblywalrus on January 31, 2011, 10:29:05 PM
Does the rental company know where you are taking their precious vehicle?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on February 01, 2011, 06:24:26 PM
Does the rental company know where you are taking their precious vehicle?

That's what rental cars are for. Anytime I wanted to find other English speaking (Australians) people at Bonneville, I just looked for a rented Dodge Caravan.

 
I was seriously looking at a similar, yet older Ford cab-over – a grain hauler that still sits in my in-law’s neighbor’s machine shed.  The discussion ended when Mrs. Midget insisted that the backyard was not to be used as a parking spot for a civilian, agricultural version of a deuce-and-a-half.

Sunshine - congratulations on the acquisition – I’m jealous.


The best value for money trucks on the market here seem to be old CFA  fire engines. About ten years ago they replaced all their 2wd trucks with 4wd trucks. So there are all these twin cab 2wd fire engines with 20,000 to 30,000 miles on them going cheap. Just take the pump and tank off, put a tray on...... just a bit (lot) outside the budget.

On another note, 99 pages and 151,000+ views
After a quick review back thru the previous pages, we really do write a lot of subaru
We're not really that interesting, are we?

G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Tman on February 01, 2011, 06:31:29 PM
No but it is like a train wreck that you gotta watch! :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on February 01, 2011, 10:34:58 PM
Does the rental company know where you are taking their precious vehicle?

...well I told them we are heading out west, so yes, they know which direction we are going, but its a big country!

I am planning to tape plastic down on the floor (a tip curtesy of local DLRA member Penny) to make an easier clean of it all internally. If the pits are as close as last year we may not even need to go onto the lake with it.

It really depends on the weather, if mild and Alice is fine under our shade tents then our dependence on it will be reduced.

Then again, there is a cyclone the size of two Texases up North... who knows what the weather is going to do next?

d
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 02, 2011, 05:22:33 PM
Recent email conversation on the subject of trucks in the Spirit of Sunshine Team............

The Reverend wrote:Re: Old truck for sale

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130482083277&ssPageName=ADME:L:LCA:AU:1123
 
*sniff*

The Doctor wrote:
 
I thought it was a C30?

I have the Trader tow-truck, drives OK, goes about 2 feet in 1st gear, gonna be fun on the dirt Grumpy, pretty savage understeer.

The Colonel wrote:

Ah , Bog cog

After your effort of trying to get yourself killed on the dirt road last year by your usual tail gating and driving on the wrong side of the road beside me
I will be bringing a cattle prod to remind you of safe driving practices
Understeer, that's how cab over trucks drive
G

The Doctor wrote:

That's not tailgating, go and watch the V8 Supercars, besides...unlike you I seemed to have pretty good traction.We'll need to suss the wipers in the Trader, his description of them "fine sometimes , slow or not working at all at other times " is right except for the first bit about them working at all.

The new injectors turned up yesterday.

Just for a laugh , I get home yesterday park the wagon across the street. when I get back in to move it into the drive I find that the ignition barrel has carked it and it won't start at all," hey!, I'm buying a TOW TRUCK!"....turns out the guy I bought the truck from works at Deer Park wreckers..."yeah , we've got 'em for forty bucks, and we've got free delivery" so I might as well get the  a/c blower motor as well...that car has stolen $1000 out of the racing budget in recent times.....
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on February 02, 2011, 06:29:36 PM
It was a C30 but theres only about C20 left...

I never used first in it either.

rH+
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on February 02, 2011, 07:42:19 PM
. . . 99 pages and 151,000+ views
After a quick review back thru the previous pages, we really do write a lot of subaru
We're not really that interesting, are we?

An unlikely project, well developed characters, posts from a land most of us know of but will never understand, and pictures to boot.  All the makings of a first class graphic novel.

Thanks for sharing it!
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Tman on February 02, 2011, 09:04:14 PM
. . . 99 pages and 151,000+ views
After a quick review back thru the previous pages, we really do write a lot of subaru
We're not really that interesting, are we?

An unlikely project, well developed characters, posts from a land most of us know of but will never understand, and pictures to boot.  All the makings of a first class graphic novel.

Thanks for sharing it!

Or a Spaghetti Western! :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: PJQ on February 02, 2011, 11:44:27 PM
slow news day on the thread? Time for some melodrama: big wet from Queensland's Yasi heads toward the lake!
Fingers toes and bendy limbs crossed.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: wobblywalrus on February 06, 2011, 02:19:25 AM
In regards to the oil starvation problem, this is something I learned a couple of days ago.  It is to check the oil pickup screen very carefully for plugging from fuzz.  Very fine fuzz can be pulled up against the screen mesh by the oil flow and it is not visible during the casual inspections most of us do.  The fuzz could be residue from from wiping parts with shop rags, paper towels, or a disintegrating oil filter.  I was told this and I have not seen it first hand.  It seems to be reasonable advice.       
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on February 06, 2011, 08:06:12 AM
big wet progress---IMNTK  :roll:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on February 06, 2011, 03:12:05 PM
Progress this week
(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc28/grumm441/374/Tank001.jpg)
One of the more important things on the chalk board is more chalk

(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc28/grumm441/374/Tank004.jpg)
this is troubling

(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc28/grumm441/374/Tank002.jpg)
and can you call it a pit bike if it has three wheels and bends in the middle?

G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 06, 2011, 09:25:11 PM
Well, he's nearly right....there has been progress on other fronts although not obvious out in the shed. Got new injectors this week, a new SA 2010 helmet and of course bought the tow-truck.

The Colonel looked quite surprised that "it's not a shitter"....... I was hugely relieved that he said that , it'll make breaking the ice easier when we are standing beside it somewhere in remote desert Sth Australia, wondering how to fix it.

Yesterday we spent several hours trying to come up with a workable solution for the steering column. Previously we had a large spring loaded pin through the column as a quick release, it was easy to find , operate and it never failed. We have used a Speedway quick release this time , it looks like a bought one, but even when doused in lubricant it can be notchy and somewhat difficult to operate....I think we may have taken a step backwards there but hey, if it's got a sticker on it and it's made from anodized or  plaskoted Al it must be a racing part, right?

We had a monir hitch with the cam last week, that is being sorted out as we speak. We had a minor hitch with the timing gear, that is being sorted as we speak too......

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Tman on February 06, 2011, 09:35:25 PM
Well, he's nearly right....there has been progress on other fronts although not obvious out in the shed. Got new injectors this week, a new SA 2010 helmet and of course bought the tow-truck.

The Colonel looked quite surprised that "it's not a shitter"....... I was hugely relieved that he said that , it'll make breaking the ice easier when we are standing beside it somewhere in remote desert Sth Australia, wondering how to fix it.

Yesterday we spent several hours trying to come up with a workable solution for the steering column. Previously we had a large spring loaded pin through the column as a quick release, it was easy to find , operate and it never failed. We have used a Speedway quick release this time , it looks like a bought one, but even when doused in lubricant it can be notchy and somewhat difficult to operate....I think we may have taken a step backwards there but hey, if it's got a sticker on it and it's made from anodized or  plaskoted Al it must be a racing part, right?

We had a monir hitch with the cam last week, that is being sorted out as we speak. We had a minor hitch with the timing gear, that is being sorted as we speak too......



You have found out what a lot of of stateside know, much of Speedways stuff sucks!
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 06, 2011, 09:54:56 PM
big wet progress---IMNTK  :roll:

The catchment around Gairdner is actually quite small, there needs to be a direct hit .The meeting is now scheduled away from the full moon which many of us in the club believed was responsible for a soft surface.

Having said that there have been record rainfalls all over the country and the recent cyclone that hit Queensland has brought massive rain troughs across half of the country.

Fingers crossed......or as my old man would have said ....cringers fossed. :roll:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on February 06, 2011, 10:24:51 PM
WOW   we are getting closer  :-D :cheers:



I was wondering who was going to get to be the honors on the 100 th page  I lucked out ----way to go guys this is a very good OMEN----on the second hundred for you guys!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: wobblywalrus on February 07, 2011, 12:23:08 AM
Every year you fellas get everything together at the last minute and it works.  Have confidence and do not worry.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: penny on February 07, 2011, 05:15:54 AM
news from the same city as the dr ,rev and grumm . I wonder if they would recognise them or maybe are related .
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/01/19/aussie-couple-rescued-water-using-sex-doll-raft/?test=latestnews
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on February 07, 2011, 08:21:21 AM
 :? I doubt it---why would a LSR racer mess with water  :evil: let alone a sex toy thingie
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on February 07, 2011, 07:51:14 PM
:? I doubt it---why would a LSR racer mess with water  :evil: let alone a sex toy thingie

Australia, Sparky - Australia.

Probably the largest surfing culture per-capita in the world.

Additionally - note that it was a woman riding the dingy - further evidence of the alleged "Man Drought" in Australia.

Every year you fellas get everything together at the last minute and it works.  Have confidence and do not worry.

And the posts get fewer and farther between - the sound of a legitimate thrash is information blackout.

Go get 'em, Sunshine!  :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 07, 2011, 08:53:28 PM
.....that silence was me with my head stuck under the dash of my car trying to sort out the ignition barrel.....of course the "finger" that went from it to the actual ignition switch broke, leaving the tip of it in the switch.So, I replaced the barrel after dismantling the switch so as to remove the little piece of pot-metal from it.....Now, this would not generally be regarded as a "serviceable" part , ya know the kind a plastic box with plastic moving parts, some little pieces of metal and a random arrangement of springs that all comes out in a real hurry, covered in that white waxy grease.

It was in the thirties(the nineties) and humidity was around 100% just the right type of weather to be underneath the dash......This "car won't start drama" all happened the very day I bought the Tow truck..... I drove said three litre manual diesel to work in peak hour the next two days, clank, clank, stop-start-stop-start........then decided to attack the job.....about an hour later I had the switch back together, all the crappy plastic parts around the column finally found a way to co-exist...I could get to the gig without having to take the tow-truck which is lucky because we got an inch of rain in the twenty minutes it took to drive there and there's no room for my guitars and amps in the cab..... I get up the next morning having to take the car on a 200 mile round trip....after ten minutes it starts, it doesn't take Einstein to work out that my excursion into the ignition switch may have been ill advised.......

Right now it's sitting in my driveway and the tow-truck is once again sitting outside work. 

So, yeah, I've been busy but necessarily on the right things....

We got a bit further along on the steering column....the Colonel turned up some bits that we need to finish it. The cam came back after having the lobes resized ....they were initially ground for the wrong series motor, lets just say that fortunately the lobes were too big....bigger than the journals(which were the right size for our motor :?), that has now been sorted.



Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on February 07, 2011, 09:52:45 PM
Pot metal?  Plastic?  Not generally regarded as serviceable?  Random arrangement of springs?

Doc, when did YOU buy an MG?

Is this the culprit?

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/P9260179.jpg)

You can always grind 'em smaller.  Probably something you didn't even think you needed to question until the day you tried to put it in.

Worry not - you're still ahead of the curve.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: racergeo on February 09, 2011, 12:26:04 AM
   Jimmy me boy...er Dr G. Hows that bondi cigar of a lakester comin? If you'd stay outa the boozer hangin whit da bikies youd "getter Done" Serious tho don't change the paint scheme, it's dogs balls.
  I've a mate thats a sparky and when I was leavin his home in my hoted up ute I accidently put it in L rather then D and revved the buggery out of it. Gotta go Mrs J says my tuckers ready  ta ta.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 09, 2011, 11:57:19 PM
Update time.

I've been in the shed. We now have a better steering column arrangement. I started with a wheel alignment, and then gave it less than a degree of toe in....Then I could fix where the hub for the steering wheel would be on the shaft Now, I'm sure you're right Tman, I was wrong....it's not a Speedway Q/R but that doesn't change my initial statement....it's crap... Anyway back to the news, the column is now neater and has marginally less slop in it...... I  screwed every join with countersunk cap-heads , it's pretty tidy , slimmer and as I said has less slop.......

Then I attacked the gearshift lock-out. Some will remember that last year the Reverend had an issue where on his only run he managed to shift 2nd to 4th.......well, I can't do anything if he can't remember the shift pattern . This year we have a motor that is not going to appreciate starting in second gear and that raises a problem. The lock out on the gear shift has two settings.

(http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd35/Jarman-Stewart/P1270249.jpg)In the picture the lock-out is set for 2nd,3rd,4th. You can see the wide scallop on either side of the left lever, 3rd is to the right 4th is to the left, the right hand lever is sitting against the neutral stop ,2nd is to the right.The left or 3/4 lever is locked into a slot that can't quite be seen when the lock bar is rolled( top toward us) around 90 degrees


 

I just used an extension spring at the left hand end that allows the lock-out bar to rotate to the position pictured as soon as the 1/2 lever is pulled back, it works well....but it sounds like a bolt gun .....most disturbing......
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Tman on February 10, 2011, 12:31:13 AM
I forgot anything I said about the QR? :oops:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 10, 2011, 07:02:45 AM
Quick release.....
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Tman on February 10, 2011, 10:51:50 AM
Quick release.....

I know, I forgot I said anything about it
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on February 12, 2011, 01:41:11 PM
   Jimmy me boy...er Dr G. Hows that bondi cigar of a lakester comin? If you'd stay outa the boozer hangin whit da bikies youd "getter Done" Serious tho don't change the paint scheme, it's dogs balls.
  I've a mate thats a sparky and when I was leavin his home in my hoted up ute I accidently put it in L rather then D and revved the buggery out of it. Gotta go Mrs J says my tuckers ready  ta ta.

He's gone a week, and now we can't understand a word he's sayin'.  Shame on you, messin' with a perfectly good 'merican citizen like that.  :evil:

Okay, bending my inflexible mind around the shifter - The shifter is currently in the "1" position - 2,3 and 4 being locked out?  The lockout bar rotates on the axis created by the locating bolts at either end?  And the spring is on the forward end of the lockout bar?  I'm guessing the 3-4 lever moves the 1-2 shifter back to lockout position for the 1-2 rail?

I think I've got it cyphered.

 :?

Actually, depending on the bell cranks on the transmission, it should be a pretty short throw shifter.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on February 13, 2011, 12:47:28 AM

He's gone a week, and now we can't understand a word he's sayin'.  Shame on you, messin' with a perfectly good 'merican citizen like that.  :evil:
Well at least when I'm at speedweek in 2011 I'll be able to talk to someone who understands English
and doesn't throw a cover over their car\bike because I come in for a chat wearing a white shirt and an orange hat and doesn't
like the way i might or might not be looking at their front wheel\wheels

r?  I'm guessing the 3-4 lever moves the 1-2 shifter back to lockout position for the 1-2 rail?


Nope.

G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on February 13, 2011, 01:22:00 AM
I'm guessing the 3-4 lever moves the 1-2 shifter back to lockout position for the 1-2 rail?


Nope.

G


Hmm . . .

I suppose if I lived in Australia's car theft capitol, I'd be a little tight lipped on my shift pattern, too.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: hitz on February 13, 2011, 01:31:28 AM
OK,
 I think you fellows are spoofing us. It doesn't really work, does it.  I've taken the lakester to Bonneville 3 times and never got it to shift (well, not very well) and changed it 4 times.  :evil:

Hope you have a good outing at the salt flats this year. Drink little-Think much

Harvey
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on February 13, 2011, 01:56:45 AM
We're not allowed to drink
The new rule is, every driver/rider has to undergo a breathalyser test for blood alcohol content before they run

Quote
"that officials & drivers/riders together with other individuals who will be participating would be tested at the commencement of each day. In 2011 only we see this as a public relations exercise – the only penalty for an individual registering a positive reading would be for them to return to the pits area & not be permitted to compete /participate until a negative reading is returned. All officials & competitors will be advised prior to & during the event of the introduction of mandatory testing in 2011.
Cled Davies Chair"


I suppose if I lived in Australia's car theft capitol, I'd be a little tight lipped on my shift pattern, too.

Yep, tight lipped. Happy to talk about my gun collection.

Today for a change, we started the Monaro (see avatar) and went for a drive to Hanging Rock to a car show.
I didn't really expect the number and quality of cars that were in attendance.
This was one of the odd ones. It appeared to be on an 06 Corvette floor pan
G
(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc28/grumm441/Corvette001.jpg)
(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc28/grumm441/Corvette002.jpg)
 
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Nexxussian on February 13, 2011, 03:32:29 AM
Yeah, there's a company stateside making those, IIRC they call it a 5-6-7.

Interesting concept.

More belly tank, I mean come on, ya want me to go into withdrawals or something? :D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Tman on February 13, 2011, 10:43:12 AM
Yeah, there's a company stateside making those, IIRC they call it a 5-6-7.

Interesting concept.

More belly tank, I mean come on, ya want me to go into withdrawals or something? :D

Those things are abortions on EITHER side of the pond!
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on February 14, 2011, 02:00:03 AM
So today was cam dialing day.
We're running 361 lift and 300° duration, so 0.5616 with a 1.6 rocker ratio
It's funny that in a country that's been metric for so long, cam lift is still in thou.

This is the cam grind that was used in a class of racing they called formula holden
It's a bit bigger than last year and will require the use of first gear
The motor has a crank, a cam and one piston with no rings on it, making it easier to turn
I'm aiming for 105.5° on the inlet and 108.5° on the exhaust
Next I will pop a head on and see how close the valves go to the pistons
and how close the valve springs go to binding
I usually use the traditional plasticine method for checking piston to valve clearances, and this year I also have a fancy camera
for looking in the spark plug hole which I just need to get  back from Ben

G :mrgreen:
(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc28/grumm441/CamDial001.jpg)

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: penny on February 14, 2011, 02:12:48 AM
the staging lanes will be quiet for most of the morning and vehicles will all come out in the afternoon when sober .  there may also be a few missing officials early for the same reason .
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on February 14, 2011, 03:39:03 AM
Paul
My understanding is, that we will have a proper police officer and a proper breathalyser.
So
there will be no motorcycle tech in the morning (suits me)
and ice will be unavailable until midday
And with the staging lanes being quite, my head will not hurt
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 14, 2011, 09:59:21 PM
On the weekend there was much time spent in the shed. Not a huge amount was achieved, there was much tugging of the forelock.... I shortened the cheek bars which will make in/egress easier....

After the Rev got in the car we realised that I had made the new steering column too short.....to accommodate his fat legs, yeah OK they're not fat, just very long........what we were trying to ascertain was where we could put the new 'chute release..... most people who are tied-up have more room to move and better use of their hands than someone who is suited up and strapped into our car so there are precious few places we could stick another button ,lever or switch.... we have decided that we will use a hood release style T behind the steering wheel( photo's later).

The real time-waster was an old favorite and that is the catch on the chute doors....it has absorbed weeks I would estimate over the last three years, and it has never been satisfactory. Now, before you leap in with helpful suggestions the answer is...nope, nah, probably not, uh-uh. They are curved barn style doors, so the mechanism needs to be like a bear claw and all the actuation needs to swing free.... we have used seat catches from scooters but they are prone to sieze and/or/release unexpectedly due to the high prssure from the drone spring.......I made another version with a sliding plate, worked until it was loaded......then the Rev bought a ball bearing drawer support with which we duplicated the sliding plate idea......I hooked the cable to it last night and it does work and it doesn't have the propensity to pop open when bumped......I'm sure everyone has a version of this story for some part of their car or bike for which there is no perfect solution and every option explored to date has been time consuming, frustrating and ultimately piss-poor.

Lat night I also extended the column.....I think I got that right....

I bought a spill kit for our support vehicle which we didn't have up until this point, I got the tow-truck title transferred to my name, the Colonel has wired in the UHF radio, we are planning on putting cup holders on the outside of the doors( this truck is so slow that we'll spend half the trip walking alongside it to stretch our legs), I bought a new chilly-bin, the fire extinguishers have been sent off for re-certification , a new helmet is on the way and a message has been sent to our favorite pin-striper to see what he can come up with for the new plain white helmet......


We will get there, we will be ready.............

 
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on February 15, 2011, 05:24:14 AM
We will get there, we will be ready.............
 :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: penny on February 15, 2011, 07:58:55 PM
I got the tow-truck title transferred to my name, the Colonel has wired in the UHF radio, we are planning on putting cup holders on the outside of the doors( this truck is so slow that we'll spend half the trip walking alongside it to stretch our legs),

remember every trip into the outback is an adventure Dr ,once late at night we ha d one brew to many and past through a very small outback town which had a pub with the solitary light bulb on the porch . aA while later we lost it and spun , time for a driver change and off we went .20 minutes later we went through a small town with a pub with a solitary light bulb . wasn't that the  Mannahill Hotel we said . stopped down the road and we turned around only to go past the Mannahill Hotel 3 times that night .
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: racergeo on February 15, 2011, 08:49:50 PM
   Aussie Land Speed Racers have to be the hardiest homo-sapiens on earth! But they might drink just a wee to much. :roll:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Lynchy on February 16, 2011, 02:42:43 AM
Quote
we are planning on putting cup holders on the outside of the doors

Aren't you supposed to put them in the engine bay? Saw these once on a feral ute and thought it was a great idea!
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on February 16, 2011, 07:00:46 PM
Quote
we are planning on putting cup holders on the outside of the doors

Aren't you supposed to put them in the engine bay? Saw these once on a feral ute and thought it was a great idea!

AND - you can leave the empty can there and use it for a radiator overflow catch!
(http://i361.photobucket.com/albums/oo58/milwaukeemidget/970%20Spec/DSCN3926.jpg)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 19, 2011, 12:38:03 AM
I just got a call from Simon Davidson the photographer who has been out at Lake Gairdner for a shoot, he said there was very heavy rain and that there is two inches of water over the whole track area, that's not necessarily bad , but the water was very red....if it has taken a lot of soil onto the lake it could be another two year wipeout like '07 '08 ........yeah I know, the sky is faaaaaalllling .............

4 weeks to go
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on February 20, 2011, 07:55:30 AM
Didn't I see a  picture of Corporal Jones somewhere?
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on February 21, 2011, 02:14:22 AM
Dialling cams :-o
Sometimes it's easy and then some times it's a Ducati with four cams that are all in the wrong spots and you spend\waste a whole day on it

This was one of the easy ones
Put the bottom gear on the crank on the centre keyway
Fit the degree wheel
Find TDC with a positive stop
check cam timing and find it needs to go +6°

take gear off crank
move it to the +6° keyway
Fit the degree wheel again
Find TDC with a positive stop again
Check cam timing again
Say Woo Hoo
Mark the gear

Look at the clock. That took about 30 minutes
Go and have a beer  :cheers:

Tomorrow I have to make a oil pressure primer out of an old gas bottle so that I can prime the engine thru the oil pressure sender
It's so much easier with a chev
G

(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc28/grumm441/374/CamDial.jpg)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 21, 2011, 06:23:52 PM

Look at the clock. That took about 30 minutes

If it takes you that long to tell the time get a digital clock, or ring up the talking clock, good value at that rate....... :wink:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 23, 2011, 12:41:04 AM
Sometimes inspiration comes from the most unlikely sources...............

One of the women I share an office with  heard me talking about "paint, and my truck"......she asked why I was painting it...I said because I didn't want to drive a truck with a small black cab in 110F heat....I said " I'm painting it the same cream as we use on the car, I might even paint the roof silver".....she said..." are you going to use that silver sparkly flakey stuff that is on your ute?"...

.....
......
...........

You betcha!

So , add to the "list"

flake roof of tow-truck..... :roll:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: ol38y on February 23, 2011, 01:04:18 AM
If you use aluminium foil that woman in your office can't hear what you're thinking!!!   :roll: :roll:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 23, 2011, 03:48:28 PM
If you use aluminium foil that woman in your office can't hear what you're thinking!!!   :roll: :roll:

top tip Larry , thanks.

maybe I could just wear one of these with an earth ...

(http://www.lowbrowcustoms.com/tech/paint-metalflake-helmet-blue-moon-kustoms/paint-metalflake-helmet-blue-moon-kustoms-photo-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Ron Gibson on February 23, 2011, 05:13:46 PM
For pre-oiling, I use a 5lb fire extinguisher bottle with valve that I cleaned out. Works great. I have an external filter, so I tapped into the pump side so all the oil is ran through the filter before the engine.

Ron
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on February 24, 2011, 05:32:24 AM
For pre-oiling, I use a 5lb fire extinguisher bottle with valve that I cleaned out. Works great. I have an external filter, so I tapped into the pump side so all the oil is ran through the filter before the engine.

Ron

Ron

I did think about using a fire extinguisher. but I will be going with the gas bottle, with a filter
because all the fittings on it are the right size
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 24, 2011, 05:45:20 PM
I did think about using a fire extinguisher. but I will be going with the gas bottle, with a filter
because all the fittings on it are the right size
G

and you weren't going to be offered the 5lb'er at my place as it is still in service as the "cat discourager"....  :roll: :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Freud on February 24, 2011, 09:43:57 PM
She made a mistake in her observation         flake roof of your tow-truck

I'd say     "roof of the flakes tow truck."

She'll get a better  grade on her paper if she alters it.

FREUD
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 24, 2011, 09:52:11 PM
Flake huh?

Flake.


 I'll add that to the loooooong list of things I've been called.........
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on February 24, 2011, 10:12:47 PM
She made a mistake in her observation         flake roof of your tow-truck

I'd say     "roof of the flakes tow truck."

She'll get a better  grade on her paper if she alters it.

FREUD

Now, Freud, if we're GRADING papers - "flakes" is not a proper possessive form, and I'm unfamiliar with the flakes tow truck of which you speak. 

Is that like Sonja Hennie's two too?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on February 25, 2011, 02:24:07 AM
Jims Towing

G

(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc28/grumm441/374/JimsTowing.jpg)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on February 25, 2011, 04:28:24 AM
She made a mistake in her observation         flake roof of your tow-truck

I'd say     "roof of the flakes tow truck."

She'll get a better  grade on her paper if she alters it.

FREUD

Now, Freud, if we're GRADING papers - "flakes" is not a proper possessive form, and I'm unfamiliar with the flakes tow truck of which you speak. 

Is that like Sonja Hennie's two too?
Chris, there is but one "N" in Henie. Not two, too.  :cheers: Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on February 25, 2011, 08:27:27 AM
2 shay, Wayno!  :cheers:
 :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 27, 2011, 07:55:43 PM
I painted the truck on Saturday, in my long and illustrious career of high end auto-finishing this was a significant landmark.......

It started raining as I was finishing the back of the cab, I was standing on the motor with the cab tilted....... the passengers side had about 18 inches between it and the fence.Then it began caning down...... I'd elected not to repair the areas at the back of the cab where rust had perforated the seam at the bottom....I went inside , I'd been at it all day and had located the cab release lever three times positively with my head, my patience was at a low ebb.

I woke up in the middle of the night and with a certain clarity that had evaded me earlier thought...."hmmmm, that seam, with the flat lip under it...and the cab tilted up....that's gonna collect water that is"....it was raining cats and dogs and I could hear the spouting overflowing out the front...

I was right.

There was a gallon or three in the cab by the time I got there.... with any luck it might have soaked up the intense pot-pourri smell from air-freshener sachets that it was full of when I got it.....I think the last owner may have been a very ,very smelly man.....

Anyway BOT. I managed to fab up a cover for the new parachute door catch....it's important because the force from the drone spring tends to foul any moving parts. I fashioned a piece of 1/16th SS plate and then set the cable up, I'm yet to rig the cable to the cab , but I feel a little more confident about the whole thing now.

The Colonel sent me a message last night " I just broke a head bolt, full set of ARP studs tomorrow ,send money, wish you were here"

So that means the short is together and the heads are going on so the valves can be introduced to the piston tops...... I'm sure he'll fill us in soon.

Oh yeah, I sat in front of the TV on Saturday night and bent up a bellytank shaped aerial from a coathanger for the truck, nothing but the best here. :wink:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on February 27, 2011, 08:22:28 PM
I painted the truck on Saturday, in my long and illustrious career of high end auto-finishing this was a significant landmark.......

 :wink:

Doc, what nap roller did you use?   Did you use a quality brush in the tight spots....  :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: racergeo on February 27, 2011, 08:46:47 PM
  No, it was a rattle can and ya he's mastered the can shaking :wink:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 27, 2011, 09:17:29 PM
 The Colonel and I were looking at a friends 34 Ford pick up rod.....he said " yeah, the paint huh, I haven't got a good spray gun ,matter of fact , I haven't got a spray gun at all....it's the one at the back.....
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/stewshots013.jpg)

I reckon he'd painted it with a 4 inch brush too......but I've gotta say that was four years ago and we saw it last week , and it looks like it's fresh out of the show-room........

Anyway, back to amateur hour. There are any number of pitfalls in the drive-way spray job....just as I mixed up my first pot full... on the ground of course , my phone rang.......I looked at who it was and elected not to answer( long story)...this distracted me long enough for me to forget what I was doing and not screw the needle control knob into the gun. I took the top off the pot and poured the color into the gun( a gravity)....from where it promptly poured straight out of the tip and into the case for the spray gun.....no I didn't see it because I was concentrating on the pouring job , the paint was obscured by the pot and body of the gun, it was when I heard the splashing sound sound that my ears pricked up.....great, good start.

For once I didn't knock the new can over with the air hose, drip paint out of the air hole all over the job , trip over the air line or use gun wash instead of thinners in a coat , nor did I somehow attract a million insects on a suicide mission seconds after the first coat has gone on, but I did manage to get some over spray on one of the wheels....just to keep the look right.


I might be slow, but I'm bloody rough.

George knows that.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 28, 2011, 08:59:30 PM
Word just in from the Colonel by way of a scratchy mobile phone convo that the heads are on , the rockers are on, the one piece rods we used last year are just right and the motor will do a full revolution without anything getting in the way of anything else....

We need to upgrade the oil relief valve with a heavier spring .

I have just tracked down a set of OEM flywheel bolts too as they have a shank on them , last year we used some off-the-shelf items that had the tiniest amount of slop in them ....they bolted the flywheel to the crank adapter, it was the adapter to crank bolts that came loose, they didn't let go but they set the whole train crash in motion.......Having the exact shank on those flywheel bolts will be a little peace of mind.

The clutch pressure plate has had weight added to it and it will be important to make sure the marks line up when it is bolted up to the flywheel.

On another front I'd ordered a new helmet from a mob in Camarillo Ca. who promptly debited my card and neglected to inform me that they did not have the item in stock....... a month later no word, I asked that my money be returned.....it's time to call Mastercard.....


But the bottom line is , when I heard the motor was together I got all excited ......I need 8 miles per hour :wink:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on February 28, 2011, 09:39:28 PM
On another front I'd ordered a new helmet from a mob in Camarillo Ca. who promptly debited my card and neglected to inform me that they did not have the item in stock....... a month later no word, I asked that my money be returned.....it's time to call Mastercard.....

Time and time again, that seems to be the way.  Wheels, flywheel, rockers - "Computer shows it in stock" and other BS lines like "Should be here by X,X, 2011", "It's sitting on the dock in LA - just waiting to clear customs", "Our supplier backordered those on us", or my favorite, "I just saw the bill for that - should be here any day now".

My instincts tell me they haven't received your helmet because they're 90+ days out with their supplier.

Seems like you've got to ride these clowns like a pack of Hyenas on a Zebra. 

 :cheers: To the Colonial - assembly complete.  :cheers:

Now there's someone you can count on!
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on February 28, 2011, 10:08:50 PM
:cheers: To the Colonial - assembly complete.  :cheers:
Now there's someone you can count on!

Only the English call us "Colonial"
Apart from which, I have dual citizenship

All you can count on me for at the moment is coughing

G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on February 28, 2011, 10:54:28 PM
:cheers: To the Colonial - assembly complete.  :cheers:
Now there's someone you can count on!

Only the English call us "Colonial"
Apart from which, I have dual citizenship

All you can count on me for at the moment is coughing

G

Sorry, Chief. Yeah - that was dumb. I've been really bad at the spelling thing lately.  

Note to self - READ before you POST. I'll go wipe the egg off of my face - again.

Glad to see it coming together.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 28, 2011, 11:06:48 PM
on another front I'd ordered a new helmet from a mob in Camarillo Ca.

and everytime I see that word I think of Frank Zappa's Camarillo Brillo........


hahahaha
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on February 28, 2011, 11:31:34 PM


Sorry, Chief. Yeah - that was dumb. I've been really bad at the spelling thing lately.  



Now I'm a really confused
One minute I'm  a Colonel, then I'm a Chief? :?
I would like to take this opportunity to clear this up
Although I might be a Colonial, I have held neither a Commission nor the rank of Warrant Officer in the ADF :-D
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on February 28, 2011, 11:35:20 PM
Standing down.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on February 28, 2011, 11:38:15 PM
I'm sitting at home with a nasty cough
So I have not much else to do
I guess this is how we got to 103 pages
:cheers: nope , can't drink either
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on March 01, 2011, 11:48:24 AM
Dr. G -- I agree with you.  When I see Camarillo I, too, remember Frank Zappa's song.  I've got it on an album at home -- maybe I should load it into the machine and send it to you for the sake of remembering him.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 01, 2011, 03:54:37 PM
Dr. G -- I agree with you.  When I see Camarillo I, too, remember Frank Zappa's song.  I've got it on an album at home -- maybe I should load it into the machine and send it to you for the sake of remembering him.
It was from "Overnight Sensation" my favorite Frank album, .....who could forget "Dynamo Hum"?

Who else would rhyme "Poncho" and "Unconcho" ?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on March 01, 2011, 05:28:41 PM
Dr. G -- I agree with you.  When I see Camarillo I, too, remember Frank Zappa's song.  I've got it on an album at home -- maybe I should load it into the machine and send it to you for the sake of remembering him.
It was from "Overnight Sensation" my favorite Frank album, .....who could forget "Dynamo Hum"?

Who else would rhyme "Poncho" and "Unconcho" ?
Is that a real poncho or a Sears poncho?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: fredvance on March 01, 2011, 05:56:26 PM
Dr G, what is the latest on the condition of the salt?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 01, 2011, 06:12:54 PM
she had a snake for a pet
and an amulet


or ,
I mean her mendocino beano

I had a listen to it this morning... Frank's guitar is just beautiful, mournful....and the lyrics are so weird and crude....what a gem.

Anyway, from the surreal to the sublime..

There was a positive report on the salt from this weekend just gone, the entry/exit area is soft which is always a problem. The other issue which I am concerned about is we have a real close full moon the Saturday night before race week.....and that's bad for the groundwater situation........

........might be time for a quick rendition of Zombie Woof....( yeah , another track from Overnight Sensation)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on March 01, 2011, 07:33:26 PM
On another front I'd ordered a new helmet from a mob in Camarillo Ca. who promptly debited my card and neglected to inform me that they did not have the item in stock....... a month later no word, I asked that my money be returned.....it's time to call Mastercard.....

Swear to God they got the most.  At every business on the coast.
FZ
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: racergeo on March 01, 2011, 08:13:37 PM
   Jimmy me boy, get that da*n car done! Enough journo jabber :lol:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on March 05, 2011, 11:22:52 PM
For pre-oiling, I use a 5lb fire extinguisher bottle with valve that I cleaned out. Works great. I have an external filter, so I tapped into the pump side so all the oil is ran through the filter before the engine.
Ron
Ron
I did think about using a fire extinguisher. but I will be going with the gas bottle, with a filter
because all the fittings on it are the right size
G

I searched around the various sheds full of trash at my house to work out what I was going to use to prime the motor and check that the oil was coming out the right places with the lift on the new cam. With the oil pump being driven off the crank, and no distributor to pull out, you cant just insert a tool on the end of a drill.
So I looked at fire extinguishers, old gas bottles and other assorted pressure vessels that really belong at the dump. The odds on favourite was a stainless steel automotive LPG tank that is going into my "41 chev pickup, one day!
then when I was looking for something else I found the thing I used to use for getting brake fluid to flow through stubborn scooters
Yep, it's a garden sprayer. nice and clean inside and makes a surprising amount of pressure.
G
(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc28/grumm441/374/Oil.jpg)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on March 06, 2011, 05:09:53 AM
 :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on March 06, 2011, 05:45:11 AM
:cheers:

Yes Sparky
Then I had a beer
Homebrew
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 06, 2011, 06:27:21 PM
The midnight hour looms and yet I made little progress in the shed over the weekend. I had a live radio show and then yesterday we'd forgotten about a christening in the family , the Catholic Church has adopted Henry Ford's production line idea and made it work wonderfully for baptism.....following that I had a gig, this is not the time of year for gigs, I have other things on my mind.


 The parachute release has finally been nailed with a rip-cord , the bear-claw catch with solenoid had two incidental problems....1./ it sometimes released when you didn't want it to,. 2./ It sometimes didn't open when you wanted it to.

It has annoyed me for a long time, hopefully that's the end of it.

Yesterday I started to put the bodywork on the nose. It has a collection of "bungs" which space the aluminium tank skin from the frame of the canopy....they'd become a little rusty and some of them were siezed. I freed them up and took them all off . It was at the point that I picked them off and put them on the bench that I realised they were ALL different, oh great.I had recollections of this not being a quick job. So I made a fresh start at it, I won't know until the tub goes on whether it all lines up properly but it seemed to be relatively painless ...fingers crossed.

As described above it seems that oiling all seems to be heading to the right places...... I've been steadily mustering all the bits and pieces for the reassembly...I'm adding another vac-u-pan but of course I can't start on that til it's all in there because wherever the line is to go there won't be much room.

I'm mustering all the camping stuff, jerry cans for fuel....the Landcruiser which used to tow the car would do the round trip into the lake with a full tank and 60 litres in reserve, I have a feeling the truck is going to need a hundred....I bought a huge chilly bin last week...... so anyway, I wake up at 5am with lists running through my head of all the stuff I have to do....I then remember what I have to do is sleep, so I can do all the other stuff when it is light......so much to do, so little time.
Word came in on the DLRA site that the Lake is in tip top shape and the road in is in the best condition that anyone can remember.

The upside of the family get together yesterday was that I got to talk to the brother in law who is a signwriter and did the vinyl cut lettering for the tank in 09 when it first went out....I have to come up with something for the doors of the truck.....


Messsers Jarman Stewart and Hadley: Purveyors of fine Bellytank Lakesters....


or something like that...


Fire Away!!!!!
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on March 06, 2011, 06:38:47 PM
"Bellytank purves"
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: ol38y on March 06, 2011, 08:13:49 PM
Beerbelly Transport!  :-o
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 07, 2011, 04:09:16 PM
Last night I finished the last few details on the trucks tow-bar and also riveted a reflective plate to the rear panel of the truck...then I returned to the fitting of the bodywork on the tank canopy.....I made a few fresh bungs and it seems to sit pretty well....now to fit the tub and see if it all lines up OK, having done that I knocked out a few dings and gave it a light sand....the nose of the car is a difficult shape.. :roll: it's always got a little bit of cellulite....

I couldn't spend all night doing that as I had an important cultural event to attend to.

The Annual Cleaning of the Spray Guns !

I dunno whether it's that I'm just lazy or whether it's the effect that thinners has on my hands now but I'd sooner perform my own dental extractions than disassemble and clean a spray gun.However , I have a bit of paint to lay down and it's pretty obvious that I'm going to be in a hurry whatever happens and so uncharacteristically I had the foresight to perform a little preventative maintenance.A wheezy , sputtery, lid-stuck-on one air-hole blocked gun is no-one's friend . Last weekends effort of pouring paint into the spray-gun case was a winning effort so in the interest of sanity and good workmanship I sat down to huff some thinners.

Acrylic thinners are not an insect repellent. It has been a season of plenty here. The drought broke , and then it broke again, and again, and again...as a result all of gods creatures have gone forth and multiplied. We had close to a million red-back spiders here in the back yard, then there was the age of the daddy-long legs..(they eat other spiders).....now there are parts of the garden that look like a tropical swamp with spider webs tying everything together ...anyway, needless to day there have NEVER been so many mosquitoes....and there is a warning out about amongst other things Murray Valley encephalitus, and that'll kill you.

At one point I swatted three mozzies in one hit .....all this to the background chorus of crickets,a billion of them on a steady march across the country.

OK. speaking of preventative maintenance here's a post I put on the DLRA site about travelling to and from the salt in 2006.....

The next year I drove my EH panel van that had lived a life of parts taken from other cars. On the freeway just out of Adelaide , yeah on the way down it threw the harmonic balancer , it was just getting dark. I pulled out the radiator( it was hot in there let me tell you), got out the little home made puller and got the spare balancer (yeah, I know) fitted in about 30mins......It went OK all the way to Iron Knob except for one moment on the road just before the Gutter where it just died , bleugh..... while we were doing 100k's..?????? started straight up again, I didn't want to look until later........So we stock up in the Gutter , as soon as we hit the dirt it starts running hotter....it was 46 degrees that day, the van has an area above your head that I swear is a perfectly shaped lens to focus radiant heat on your head.......it boiled about six times from there on and it was dangerous to get out of the car unless there was shade, needless to say it took ages to cool down each time. Had no trouble there except a brand new tyre got a cut from a rock that looked like it had been slashed by a machete...it was new because we'd had three flats on the way, by the way....oh yeah and I got a $295 speeding fine and lost my wallet with $550 in it when I got pulled up....I'd been bleating like a sheep and we were laughing so hard we missed the 60kmh sign........

Anyway...on the trip we home we ditched the trailer to the Chev...the car still boiled a couple of times on the way out and it felt weird too... and I didn't feel the best either...We got to Port Wakefield and I noticed that the replaced harmonic balancer had walked half off( I would like to point out that at this point I remember standing at a roadhouse in Pt Wakefield covered in red dust and Jon Amo standing there and looking at me and the beleaguered rig and shaking his head and laughing)......the local auto-wrecker wanted $30 for one, it was so tight on the crank it broke my puller and he didn't have one,I left empty handed....We made it to Gawler and got to Repco 5 mins before it shut I bought a 2 cheap crap pullers and a new balancer for $20....we pulled up in a shady park next to the pool, the others went for a swim.....I realised then that I had diarhorea, and with the handy store bought pullers I had a big job on my hands getting the balancer off... it took about two and a half hours, it was 40 degrees.

It was a pretty uneventful trip home we didn't talk much because the gearbox was howling so loudly in top that it was hard to hear much..

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on March 07, 2011, 05:59:18 PM
I remember that trip well. The swim was soooo refreshing.

I have a photo of you from that trip just as we got off the dirt road. Both of you were covered in red dust because you were driving behind me in the truck with your windows open, and with your glasses off you looked like some kind of weird inverse pandas.

Ahh memories. Bring it on!

d
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on March 07, 2011, 07:12:23 PM

Cleaning of the Spray Guns !


 :-o

Oh, shit - I forgot about that during my thrash last year.

For sale - used Campbell Hausfeld spray gun.

Cheap.

PM me.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: 4-barrel Mike on March 07, 2011, 08:08:48 PM
Is Harborfreight down there?

(http://www.harborfreight.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/thumbnail/370x370/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/i/m/image_5190.jpg)

"Cleans a single cup and paint gun in one minute!" - $99.99

http://www.harborfreight.com/paint-spray-gun-washer-94996.html (http://www.harborfreight.com/paint-spray-gun-washer-94996.html)

Mike

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on March 08, 2011, 02:19:41 AM
Zipped up and ready to go 201?
G
(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc28/grumm441/374/Engine.jpg)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 08, 2011, 05:03:37 AM
I've just tee'd up some engine dyno time, yes George.That will likely be Tuesday, we leave Friday...I'd like to do a dummy fit before then but I don't think that's going to happen. I still have to paint the tank......I knock off work tomorrow so I've got a busy week ahead of me.

I just spoke to a newish member of the DLRA Nigel who will be crewing for us this year, he's a fitter and turner and a car head who has an old FED if my memory serves me correctly.....I hope it gets past the dyno.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on March 08, 2011, 05:54:06 AM
We just have to have some AUDIO of the snarly little beast under full load---US 6 freaks just DEMAND to have a FIX :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on March 08, 2011, 08:28:00 AM
I agree with Sparky - Even the perverted purveyor of the penta port pommy pygmy wants to hear this one "Holden" on.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on March 08, 2011, 11:14:12 PM
We just have to have some AUDIO of the snarly little beast under full load---US 6 freaks just DEMAND to have a FIX :cheers:

Brummm Brummm
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on March 08, 2011, 11:37:43 PM
ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!! :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on March 08, 2011, 11:43:01 PM
I've just tee'd up some engine dyno time

Wow - break her in and dial it up.  I knew you were tight on time in 2010, and didn't get to dyno the car, but this will remove a lot of the doubts you guys had last year.  

 

 
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on March 09, 2011, 12:12:36 AM
I've just tee'd up some engine dyno time

Wow - break her in and dial it up.  I knew you were tight on time in 2010, and didn't get to dyno the car, but this will remove a lot of the doubts you guys had last year.  

Or remove the crank thru the bottom of the engine

Something very magical happens
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9XAC-BvUyo
Thanks to Greg for the link
G

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Kiwi Paul on March 09, 2011, 12:37:51 AM
 :-D Now we know why the Doc put that cigarette lighter in the Bellytank..... :mrgreen: :cheers: :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 09, 2011, 03:25:26 AM
:-D Now we know why the Doc put that cigarette lighter in the Bellytank..... :mrgreen: :cheers: :-D

Na Paul, that's there so I can run my 12v vacuum cleaner for a little housework while I'm sitting at the start line........

Now ,
We just have to have some AUDIO of the snarly little beast under full load---US  freaks just DEMAND to have a FIX :cheers:

It'll sound better than this which was the first year out,basically stock.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0e-mBOa3r3c

There is very little on this new motor that is the same.......but for now I'm going to leave you hanging...you might get really lucky and get to hear something from dyno day...I'll see what I can do.


Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on March 09, 2011, 06:05:00 PM
Stew, if you do record watch out for clipping if recording digitally, dial down the input volume on whatever device you propose to use.

Have you got any of your nifty musician type analogue devices, reel to reel etc? That would be the go!

rH+

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 10, 2011, 06:07:15 AM
I started day one of The Thrash with  a little shopping, another jerry can, oil for the truck and the engine-dyno session. I dropped in on Dwayne who's helped me out in the past with exhaust supplies, he like s a chat Dwayne.I headed to the Colonel's and we caught up with Dyno-Man to have a look over and work out whether we had everything we need to hitch it up.That all seems to be a goer....... Then the Colonel and I fitted up the throttle bodies , the injection with new injectors and the headers which needed some little scallops in the head flange to clear the new head studs. The inlet manifold has been in a polishing mill and been ceramic coated underneath, looks neat. The Colonel has simplified the belt pattern and eliminated one of the tensioners by turning the alternator the other way meaning the belt is shorter and the second tensioner which was always a little difficult to keep aligned is gone.

I bought a new Deka battery on the way home from Gerald at Ariel who is a real character....I got home and hit the shed. The last two years we have either driven the car back to the pits or towed it with someone steering. I took a Ford Prefect wishbone and made a tow bar that attaches to the hitch on the tow-truck so we can just hitch it up and tow it back, no engine heat, no beaten up driver or salt flicked into the cab......

more soon.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 10, 2011, 08:57:37 PM
Picked up the exhaust parts we need for the dyno this morning, 4 flanges two 9o degree bends and 2 yards of 2&1/2 ........150 bucks , ouch.

Paint is going on the canopy....

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/P3110314.jpg)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on March 10, 2011, 11:27:47 PM
Take stock.

Engine - done
Paint - drying
Cockpit, shifter, steering column - done
Induction - ready to tweak
Exhaust - under way
Dyno day - Tuesday
Tow vehicle - ready to roll
Brain bucket - ?
Weather - holding

You boys have covered a lot of ground since Christmas.

I raise my glass to you!

 :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

You planning a full pull on Tuesday, or just a tune and break-in?

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on March 10, 2011, 11:28:10 PM
Will SOON be on the SALT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 12, 2011, 04:46:26 PM
Thursday:  I was welding up the hitch I made so I can tow the tank on the salt ,being a wishbone it was kind of awkward, I picked it up  and it sort of swung around, I grabbed it , SSSSSSSSSSSSS, it wasn't quite red hot...I got it into cold water and then ice quick enough to stop the skin coming off...I've just got a very shiny 2 sq inches on the webbing between my index and thumb , oh yeah it smarted.

Friday : I was moving the truck to give me better access to the passengers side, I stuck my head out the passengers window to double check the clearance, then I wound the window up......I should have pulled my head in further because as my head touched the top of the window frame it sort of instinctively recoiled and I whacked my eye socket on the edge of the window, that hurt more than the burn.

Saturday: I woke up with a stiff back, dunno, heat rub. I start on the list of things we need to sort for the dyno on Monday.Now, bell-housing bolts, they'll be in the index-box for the engine bay.....I put everything that comes out of there in one sectioned index box...aforementioned bell housing bolts, engine mounts, exhaust flange bolts , gear linkage( god knows I used some impractical and hard to find pieces in there).

Where is the engine bay index box?

I call the Colonel, no answer. I start a heavy duty top to bottom strip search of the shed . No bananas , I employed the oft forgotten technique of randomly re-checking places I'd already looked....If I don't find this box a three hour job will be a ten hour job......  two hours later the Colonel calls......" yeah, you gave it to me, did you find anything useful?"..........dead spiders, snail shells,abrasive grit, dirt, live spiders.......At least the shed was cleaner than it had been and marginally tidier.......

I got the new battery and put it in place, " oh great, it's slightly shorter and fatter than the old one, no wonder the price was right"....we had a pretty neat battery retainer so I brought out the thinking cap for a rare pinch hit. I cut the base of the battery holder off and moved it out slightly and made a spacer pad out of hi-density neoprene , done.

The weld line at the very end of the cowl, where the parachute doors are has fried up a little and to be honest whoever prepped it before it was painted must have been in a serious hurry....er yeah. Sooo, it was bondo time.... with Michael Buble guiding me  


Tell me when will you be mine
Tell me bondo bondo bondo
We can share a love divine
Please don't make me wait again

When will you say yes to me
Tell me bondo bondo bondo
You mean happiness to me
Oh my love please tell me when

Every moments a day
Every day seems a lifetime
Let me show you the way
To a joy beyond compare

I can't wait a moment more
Tell me bondo bondo bondo
Say its me that you adore
And then darling tell me when.....

We , or at least the Colonel has managed to alter the belt path on the motor so it's shorter and uses one less tensioner, I chopped and polished the bracket that used to hold the other tensioner which will free up a bit of space at the front....That was one visit to the polisher with an awkward shaped lengthy object that didn't result in a DINMAR*...........

The circus continues today.


* Death, Injury or Near Miss Accident Report
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stan Back on March 12, 2011, 07:37:45 PM
That song reminds me of one of my favorites (sp?) . . . "Bessa may, bessa may coolo".

Stan
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 13, 2011, 01:08:17 AM
Quote
The circus continues today.

The Rev arrived and it was ACTION STATIONS !!!

The nose or front tub got the living sheeet kicked out of it last year when someone was busy trying to wreck the motor at the far end of the track and got some air,coming down heavily......we bashed and whacked it and then added the above mentioned bondo-dressing.....

We went down to the big-chain hardware(*) and got some tape and wet or dry paper, now I generally buy my tape at paint shops and rarely think twice about it...at the * there was six rolls for six bucks, now that seemed like a deal.....later when we had taped up the scallops at the back of the tank and I was applying some paint I found that this was 1 mile an hour tape...and that in the presence of thinners its capabilities were reduced somewhat....but that was OK because when it fell off it left the adhesive on the job....


We went and got some proper stuff...

I painted the whole thing pretty much ...and cleared it it under four hours.....that my friends is some record....


Tomorrow , the dyno.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: wobblywalrus on March 13, 2011, 01:41:55 AM
The big race has already started for yous guys.  The ride down the salt will be a relaxing anti-climax.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 13, 2011, 05:59:41 AM
The big race has already started for yous guys.  The ride down the salt will be a relaxing anti-climax.

"yous "...what are you some kind of linguistician? :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on March 13, 2011, 11:45:25 AM
"yous "...what are you some kind of linguistician?"

Yeah, everyone knows that's spelled "yousE", hey?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on March 13, 2011, 11:51:46 AM
The big race has already started for yous guys.  The ride down the salt will be a relaxing anti-climax.

"yous "...what are you some kind of linguistician? :-D
"yous "...what are you some kind of linguistician?"

Yeah, everyone knows that's spelled "yousE", hey?

Oh yah, I knew ol' Slim would pick up on dat one, dare, aina, hey?  In da upper midwest, we drink out water from a bubbler and park our cars side by each.

Wobbly - how long did you live in Sheboygan, eh?

Doc, Colonel, Rev - I know you're all under the gun, but step back, take a breath, and be careful.  It makes for a great read, but there's no sense in injuring yourselves further.  You're on track.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on March 14, 2011, 05:41:53 AM
Why worry about hurting myself when we can hurt a perfectly good motor.
The look on Goggs face was priceless
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 14, 2011, 07:24:41 AM
It took a while to get everything sorted, me buying 2&1/2 instead of 2&1/4 exhaust stuff was one flick up that didn't hold us up.....the wiring took a bit , but after about four hours it was ready to go.

It sounded fantastic, this combo turns hydrocarbons into sound even better than last years, after about ten minutes, cycling steadily up to about 3500 max it sounded like it was unwell. it was missing........

The bearing caps which had been put in when the rocker pairs were parted off ( http://www.landracing.com/forum/index.php/topic,862.1307.html )so we could use them were not secure... Two of the rockers had collapsed and a few others were rapidly heading that way.

We have two other sets of roller rockers but they aren't adjustable, that means we can't use the new solid roller cam,we'll have to use last years.

As it stands the motor stayed in Shepparton, The Colonel is going back tomorrow to change the cam, fit hydraulic lifters ,the new rockers ,and with them rocker studs....I stay in town to continue the rest of the prep, there's no point in me hanging around up there wringing my hands......

Worse things have happened to better men.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 14, 2011, 08:04:47 AM
Why worry about hurting myself when we can hurt a perfectly good motor.
The look on Goggs face was priceless
G
To quote the Colonel directly when we realised what had happened..

" have you told Dik ( the Rev) yet?....hahaha I can't wait to see his face because I'm sick of looking at yours, you look like a little boy who was promised a bike for Christmas and got a pair of socks."
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on March 14, 2011, 10:01:51 AM
Doc, is there no saving the rocker situation you have now?  Have you consulted Steve Angelovski's MACE Engineering on your issue, do they have a fix for your problem.  Show us a pic of what happened if you can.  Yes I know it is getting time critical...
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on March 14, 2011, 04:56:47 PM
It looks like it may be an easy fix
I tore around my place like a madman last night looking for bits
Found a set of guide plates and some chev roller tip rockers for a project that I may finish, if I live long enough.
I'm just going to get a set of screw in studs, do some tapping and that should fix. I will be taking the old cam and timing gear just in case
the Dyno is two hours drive from my place
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 14, 2011, 05:06:05 PM
Doc, is there no saving the rocker situation you have now?  Have you consulted Steve Angelovski's MACE Engineering on your issue, do they have a fix for your problem.  Show us a pic of what happened if you can.  Yes I know it is getting time critical...

The rockers are still in the Grumm-wagen-vorsprung-von-dieseler. I haven't had a close look at ecotec type rockers that he adapted the pivot from so I'm not sure whether there is an obvious reason that they let go, you can see they had a circlip
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/PB060226.jpg)

which was changed to this with an interference fit..........
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/PB060227.jpg)

they just walked out the end .....have had an email from Steve, not sure if we can swing anything this late in the movie.

throughout this Ian the dyno man remained patient, and helpful, Matt the tuner came and went.....it was our bit that fell over.

One special moment was when it first cranked over and made 100psi on the starter motor, ahem, better pull that extra relief spring, the other special moment was when the Colonel wouldn't let me play Apostrophe for the second time..... Uncle Remus indeed.......

Yes the dyno is two hours away........but it's darn good service and comes with a junk museum from four generations.

I'm off to the shed to rub the car down for a compounding.

We'll keep you up to date...
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: maj on March 14, 2011, 06:03:04 PM
Doc or G if i can help in any way let me know, as Bones said to me yesterday, "quietly panicing"
at least your engine has been running  , mine may be today
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: wolbrink471 on March 14, 2011, 06:29:33 PM
Reply #1573.....That's good stuff   :-D :-D :-D

Good luck! I am sure if you are smart enough to recognize that worse things have happened to better men, that you will figure it out.

Mark
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on March 14, 2011, 07:03:37 PM
Why worry about hurting myself when we can hurt a perfectly good motor.
The look on Goggs face was priceless
G
To quote the Colonel directly when we realised what had happened..

" have you told Dik ( the Rev) yet?....hahaha I can't wait to see his face because I'm sick of looking at yours, you look like a little boy who was promised a bike for Christmas and got a pair of socks."

It's not my face that's the problem... it's my stomach.

Your good work in an emergency has saved us on the lake before Colonel, I have every confidence in you for this step.

d
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on March 14, 2011, 11:42:46 PM
Collapsed?  To the point of damage, or just shimmied off of the shaft?   

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on March 15, 2011, 12:00:58 AM
To the point of damage of the rocker itself not the engine I believe.

I just received a message from the Colonel who is at day two of the dyno now,  "Getting there."

Not one to be accused of word excess is our Graham, but a sign of hope.

Dik
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Tman on March 15, 2011, 12:07:14 AM
Hoping for the best.....................and freakin video!? :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 15, 2011, 12:34:02 AM
meanwhile back at base camp the hilarity continues....................... getting a car with 1inch ride height onto a beaver tail truck is a curly one, I am now making a second roller to allow the car to roll over the point where the deck angle changes..... I'm sure there's other stuff to do.... :roll:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on March 15, 2011, 12:46:59 AM
Can't we use ramps to the beaver?

d

Nice Beaver!
Frank Drebin R.I.P.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on March 15, 2011, 12:59:52 AM
do you have a lift point on one end or the other?  A good floor jack might be the easy mover.  Will it load backward easier?  Ya know it is hard to kibitz from 15 hours (time zones) away....
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on March 15, 2011, 01:37:09 AM
Latest news on our forum from our webmaster:

Just got off the phone to Cled (DLRA President) they have done a lake inspection with the Native Title representatives this morning and unfortunately news is not good.

The film crew that was using the lake last week did not use our platforms as was previously reported.
They have caused considerable damage surface just off the edge of the ramp.
Also the surface from the edge of the lake is very sandy out for about 100 metres.

There has been about 25 mm of rain over the last couple of days and the forecast is for more rain in the coming days. It is currently overcast at the lake.

There will be another track inspection on Thursday morning.

I will be staying in contact with Cled each day to provide further updates.


Now its not my stomach... it's my heart that is sinking...

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 15, 2011, 04:52:31 PM
Quote
A good floor jack might be the easy mover.

I dropped it off the hi-lift jack yesterday, the damage is minimal but I need to put a few screws into the tail as it ripped the mounts for the chute bucket....Who'd have thought it would be so hard to get ANYTHING onto a tow-truck...... I didn't run through it but figure the fix is to get the car on the ramps and then pick it up with the A frame, then fix the ramps to the A frame legs with a cross piece and pull it on from there....

Yesterdays injury came courtesy of a frayed wire on the winch cable,now I dunno where the previous owner had had that cable but gee it got infected fast...

10pm a text came through from the Colonel , 284.3 hp@ 5500.

That's enough  for the 200...............there's just a few small issues in the mean time.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on March 15, 2011, 05:18:06 PM
Okay - running the new cam or the old one?  Are the rockers Grummy had squirreled away adjustables, and are those the ones he used?

284@5500.  I know you don't want to use it up on the dyno, but with those heads, I'm thinking there's more upstairs.

Let not the "R" word be spoken.

Thanks for the update.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 15, 2011, 05:23:40 PM
 new cam , he put in rocker studs so he could set the rockers..... yeah, there's more "up stairs" I would have thought....
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 15, 2011, 06:44:23 PM
It's still on the dyno. The Colonel said they've seen 300hp, and 6600rpm......we need 6700-800 for the 200. The injectors I'd bought were , in the Colonel's words "rubbish"..............

It broke a stud yesterday.

It now has posi-locks guide plates and cast rockers which are a worry, I'll need to locate some spares.


Back to the shed , currently burning the powder coat off the jack base which bent yesterday so I can weld it to reinforce it.......
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 15, 2011, 07:35:01 PM
Just got a sheet ,

311.2hp@6300,  274.5 ft/lb@5300

....and it's still in one piece
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on March 15, 2011, 08:04:13 PM
To put that in perspective the engine stock is specified to be 168HP.... I think we have an improvement on the old girl!

d
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on March 15, 2011, 09:41:33 PM
(http://i361.photobucket.com/albums/oo58/milwaukeemidget/DSCN3988.jpg)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 15, 2011, 10:48:39 PM
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/033.jpg)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Tman on March 16, 2011, 12:18:59 AM
311 is impressive guys, good luck!
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 16, 2011, 07:43:15 AM
very clever MM :-D

I'd like to add that this motor was built after a discussion a few years back with Jack Dolan who said a long duration cam with slightly more than stock comp could do what we wanted to do, be affordable and go the distance.Some people questioned what we were trying to build , so far it's making power in the right place. We 'll see if it does the bizzo.

Tomorrow we have a flat out effort to put the motor in in and assemble the car before we leave the next morning.I finally sorted out getting the car on the truck and I've been working out how to properly secure all the other stuff we have to take.

later :wink:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on March 16, 2011, 09:34:06 AM
Tomorrow we have a flat out effort to put the motor in in and assemble the car before we leave the next morning.I finally sorted out getting the car on the truck and I've been working out how to properly secure all the other stuff we have to take.

later :wink:

Doc, have you also sorted getting the car off the truck in a remote environment?  Good luck on the thrash, I think you guys have it on the right track.
 :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 16, 2011, 04:31:13 PM
Doc, have you also sorted getting the car off the truck in a remote environment?  Good luck on the thrash, I think you guys have it on the right track.
 :cheers:

We have four stands that support the car at working height, (the tub won't come off without them) and an A frame we use to lift it and/or the motor .I welded a perch onto two of the stands at the height of the tray and will support the ramps at that height after hoisting the rear of the car..it means we can leave two of them at home because the ramps will work as a platform if we need . I'll still have to take extra ramps ( in order to get in ON the ramps AND over the bend in the beavertail)but I'm pretty sure it'll go on and yes off now Bob with some applied bother.It's here where a tilt tray would be nice.....

Gonna be a busy day.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Drewfus on March 17, 2011, 07:06:25 AM
thinking of you guys (and all the other racers), yet again wishing I was going, keep safe
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 17, 2011, 05:46:16 PM
Hey Drewfus,
pity you can't make it.

We assembled everything yesterday and fired it up.it sounds mad.

Right now we were going to be on the road but we've been behind for a bit and the Colonel has given it an almighty shove spending three days at the dyno.He's been healthier than he is right now so we've inserted an R&R day. I still have to pack and sort the tools, the camping gear and work out how to secure it all to the truck.

Speaking of dyno Mat Cavalli went way over and above what we could have expected from someone who hasn't suffered along with us , he has his own workshop in Shepparton and knows his onions for a young guy, he was the man responsible for the chip we'll be running.Thanks also to Ian for the dyno and all the time , he's got a half finished tank there and I'm expecting to be on-call for tank related questions........

The was an insurmountable issue with the program in that it refused to rev beyond 6400, If I can't find some 30 inch tyres to borrow on the lake then I will be fitting the little "cheater" guards we made last year and run in streamline class.

I'll be back.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on March 17, 2011, 06:33:46 PM
James, I forget. Will you be out of earshot on the Lakebed? By the way, drive real fast and have gobs of fun.  :cheers: Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on March 17, 2011, 06:38:36 PM
Yes. Here I would like to say a bit about the Colonel.

As he says, "They make it, I make it work." What that doesn't say is the crucial aspect of when he makes it work which is the critical time that it requries to work. At the salt he has regularly diagnosed then created a very workable fix to unforeseen issues which otherwise would have ended our run.

This week the Graham went over and above the call of duty to get that engine to work, to have power and be ready for Speedweek. And as Dr.G just mentioned, he certainly isn't in the best of health this week so that effort is so much more appreciated. Rest Well, Colonel, we not only want you there, we need you there!

Also big thanks to Mat and Ian, if we didn't have this Dyno session and your help our run at the lake this year would be very short indeed.

The engine still ceases to accelerate mysteriously at 6400rpm but I know all these guys tried them damnedest to find out why.

The important thing though is we have an operational engine to go racing. Maybe Dr'g will not get his 200mph with it this uyear, but I certainly can get my 175mph pass (yes, practice those gear changes...) and then push the F for fuel record up to close to 200mph. That is an improvement.

With the cheater gaurds on we get to set a host of other records.


But we must also remember it is not just about records. Its about being there as a participant, and enjoying and learning from the runs.  We don't get enough time in the car to become expert at driving it, so just being there this year with an operational car makes this happen.

Thanks to all who have helped make it happen.

Raining today near the lake, forecast not great, but we are ready to go should it be on.

Keep the shiny side up indeed, that's the Spirit of Sunshine!

Reverend H+
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on March 17, 2011, 07:43:31 PM
"Is it because they are lucky that they become great? No, but being great, they have been able to master luck."  Napoleon

Have a great event.

Be safe, go fast, and have fun.

 :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Kiwi Paul on March 18, 2011, 12:07:03 AM
 :-D And the Saga Continues......It`s not usual for Kiwis to wish Aussies luck and good fortune in much, team, but I surely wish it for you lot. Hope you give em hell... :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: racergeo on March 18, 2011, 12:36:48 AM
      Good on ya Googles, you the man! But were goina hafta yak about that engine of yours. You should be able to rev the buggery out of it with a roller cam. Generally speaking ,two things hamper revs, valve springs and fuel volume. Any way, like the Rev said you'll learn some more, get some licenses and have some FUN. By the way, Ians gettin a bit of an awning over the toy shop,eh.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on March 18, 2011, 12:44:32 AM
HEY!  :-(

HEY! :| 

HEY! :-o

Those dirt bags snuck out of town without showing us the finished product!

 :wink:

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on March 18, 2011, 01:13:39 AM
M.M.
We haven't left town yet
http://www.dlra.org.au/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=1527&start=137

Headgash took some photo's yesterday of me coughing while Goggs was spannering

Wayno. we are incommunicado about 10 minutes after we leave the bitumen. about 90 miles from the lake
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on March 18, 2011, 01:50:08 AM
have fun guys
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 18, 2011, 02:58:33 AM
      Good on ya Googles, you the man! But were goina hafta yak about that engine of yours. You should be able to rev the buggery out of it with a roller cam. Generally speaking ,two things hamper revs, valve springs and fuel volume. .

Hey George our pump is one of those big Boschs, it'll support 650hp..... the valve springs could be an issue but our last motor had turned over 7k in a previous incarnation...WITH A DIFFERENT ECU.

there is a forum here that has a section devoted to these motors and there's a couple of guys who know their linen, or rather their sheet....here is one theory...

    why wont it go past 6400 no injectors left or fuel pump not keeping up or is it tapping a limiter you probably need to use vl400's custom code that lifts the VE table rpm all the way to 9600rpm so you can tune that high the formula holdens had doctored code to allow them to do things the stock ecu wouldnt allow
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Drewfus on March 18, 2011, 05:46:17 PM
rest up colonel and take it steady, with the uncertainty of the weather there is no rush, keep safe first and formost.

"Keep the shiny side up indeed, that's the Spirit of Sunshine!", yep, rock on.

Looking forward to hearing about your endeavours when you get back.

Cheers,

Drewfus :cheers:

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on March 18, 2011, 07:00:04 PM
Weather? :?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Rob on March 18, 2011, 07:23:52 PM
Latest updates to conditions and the road in are at the end of this thread Chris. As of this am the road in is 4WD only and has been since around 11am yesterday.

http://www.dlra.org.au/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=1527&p=14987#p14987

Here's hoping it clears up and everyone can get in / race.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on March 18, 2011, 07:55:20 PM
by Cookey » Sat Mar 19, 2011 10:36 am

IMPORTANT:
I HAVE JUST TALKED WITH TREVOR BECK AT THE DLRA CAMP AND RAIN IS BUCKETING DOWN WITH THE ROADS ALL CLOSED AND THE LAKE BEING FLOODED.
THE MEET IS CANCELLED
PLEASE ADVISE EVERYONE THAT YOU CAN REACH OF THIS.

CALL ME ON 0417468552 IF YOU NEED CONFIRMATION
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on March 18, 2011, 07:58:38 PM
DAMMM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on March 18, 2011, 08:00:47 PM
I haven't left yet
The logistics of getting Lake Gairdiner is something else
It only took me three days to get to Bonneville from Melbourne
I have to drive about 1000 miles from my place
Then when I get to a place called Iron Knob (yes a real place)
and drive 100 miles down the Hiltaba to Iron Knob rd, which is a dirt road located in a flood plain
http://www.transport.sa.gov.au/quicklinks/northern_roads/area3.asp
It's currently closed to 2wd vehicles
About 5 miles in you lose phone service, so if you get stuck you can't call the auto club


I have just been informed that the meeting has been cancelled
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Glen on March 18, 2011, 08:08:17 PM
Hope you have a rain date and can run a little later. Wish you all the best of luck.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 18, 2011, 08:25:25 PM
Did I miss something.......?


yeah, the salt this year.

The rain date is March 2012.

There are positives but they are somewhat overshadowed by the negatives.

My adrenal glands need a rest, they have been on full duty cycle.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: generatorshovel on March 18, 2011, 08:30:23 PM
I previous years, after an event cancellation, due to the hassles of getting permission from the national parks dept, the land owners, and Mt Ive station (who own the roads around Lake Gairdner) fitting the event around the annual sheep shearing / crutching tasks, the event will not be rescheduled, but held next year , with entry costs rolled over to the 2012 event.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 18, 2011, 09:21:52 PM
Hey T'fer,
didn't I say you were one of the lucky ones for making a decision that you weren't going this year?

Good call. The rain kiboshed it , but I still reckon the perigee moon, the closest it has been for 18 years would have turned the lake surface to slop.

I was going whatever happened, but I'm still at home and it's over.....now to unpack, dismantle and store........
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on March 18, 2011, 09:26:36 PM
I agree with Sparky.

Sorry to hear this.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on March 18, 2011, 09:40:38 PM
I read somewhere once when NASA cancelled some space shots they gave some of the space jockeys some free airspace and some jets to fly to let off some steam.

Where's my jet, where's my free airspace?

Dr G maybe we should all go down to the local go kart track and chuck in a few quick laps until our shoulders hurt?

As you know, part of our plan is to go to Bonneville and go for the world record in our class. The hopes were if we nailed 200mph+ this year then got set up for the next hike with the new diff we could trial it at Lake Gairdner next March and then put the Spirit on a boat to Utah (yeah I know, no port) for the 2012 Speedweek.

Well now it's time to chop off the rear diff and get that new gearing in. With the 311hp and more ratio we will be on our way. Let's go Stew, let's make it happen.

Thanks for all the forum support, we don't feel alone and know you have all been there too.

Dik

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Drewfus on March 18, 2011, 09:46:34 PM
B'ville is calling you, a big haul financially and emotionally, but the dream is worth capturing, step forward and chase it, there's sunshine on the horizon.....
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Tman on March 18, 2011, 09:56:45 PM
So bummed out for you guys :-(
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: MC 1314 on March 18, 2011, 10:00:23 PM
I've been lurking this thread for quite a while and totally enjoying it. I am sorry this year is out. As Drewfus says 'Bonneville is calling.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on March 18, 2011, 10:05:14 PM
The hell of it is that there are just few options in this endeavor.  Sports car guys can arrange for track time, drag racers can run a “tune and test” night.  A worst case scenario here in the states means you might be able to run Elmo, Texas, or Maxton as a fall back to the big gig.  In the day, you’d see a few tanks with quickies at the drag strips in So Cal, but the nature of the designs don’t lend themselves to ¼ mile racing.
 
Any further word on the lake bed in NSW?
 
I like the go-cart idea.  Grab a few paper clips and wire off the governors.  They can’t stop you if they can’t catch you.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Peter Jack on March 18, 2011, 10:47:13 PM
"I like the go-cart idea.  Grab a few paper clips and wire off the governors.  They can’t stop you if they can’t catch you."

MM I like your style!

Sorry to hear about the event guys. At least it gives you a year to work out the engine gremlins that you discovered and maybe you can get those revs up to snuff. GOOD LUCK!

Pete
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Freud on March 19, 2011, 12:10:46 AM
Dr Goggles,

Give the Lemon Tree a shot for me.

Close the office, bring the girls, come to Bendover and we will get u a room at Motel 6.

Low Bucks all the way.

Call when u get to LA.

You can get your own autografs on the shirt.

FREUD
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on March 19, 2011, 05:10:44 AM
Dr Goggles,

Give the Lemon Tree a shot for me.

Close the office, bring the girls, come to Bendover and we will get u a room at Motel 6.

Low Bucks all the way.

Call when u get to LA.

You can get your own autografs on the shirt.

FREUD
I think that's a great idea.  :lol: You'd never be the same after that. Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Rob on March 19, 2011, 07:24:58 AM
What don't kill you makes you stronger.

Some guys are fast, this from another DLRA member suggesting a logo change  :-D

(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3020701/Hosted%20Images/WLRA.JPG)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Tman on March 19, 2011, 11:50:35 AM
You might be onto something there Rob!
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on March 19, 2011, 11:53:51 AM
need's art work from "the PROPSTER"  :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Tman on March 19, 2011, 12:10:56 PM
need's art work from "the PROPSTER"  :-D

Ooo, you are BAD! :evil:

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Kiwi Paul on March 20, 2011, 01:29:00 AM
 :x GRRRR......Well, Team? What about a trip over this way? Bill Ward gathered wide support from all the Kiwi Hot Rodders to bring his cars over to run.....They all could have their names on the Car somewhere....You seem to be a smooth enough wordsmith that you would have a shot at organising something similar,eh Doc?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 20, 2011, 03:41:46 AM
Bonneville is definitely in our plans , but.

As anyone who has built something like this knows there is a path of discovery, and whether you apply clear thinking and resourcefulness or brute force and money it will take time to form a plan of attack that is achievable. Quite apart from the effort to build the car you have to plan within the bounds of what you can afford.

To look at it from the point of view of Jack Kelly's E/GL record at 236+mph made with a destroked SBC that'd by all reports rev well over 8000rpm we hav a job on our hands.The body we have is by all indications very very clean aero wise, at 195 mph our revs matched our speed, now that's no huge claim when we were probably lucky to be making 240hp but either way the car goes fast with very little power and it isn't hitting the wall yet.Last year we put on 12mph per mile . We needed more power. We have more power now AND we have the parts to put together a taller final drive with which we can take our speed from 30mph per 1000revs to 34.5mph.

This year we have a chance to have a proper tidy up on the bodywork. The car was never really "finished", it's taken a few whacks and developed a few cracks after the last two years.

Then there is the ECU problem, I may have tracked a guy down who can give us the smarts so as we can use the stock Delco rather than go aftermarket...we'll see.

So yeah, we want to go to Bonneville , but when we go we want to go in style as contenders, not just attenders. :wink:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on March 20, 2011, 08:52:52 AM
 :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: wolbrink471 on March 20, 2011, 10:51:41 AM
Bonneville is definitely in our plans , but.

As anyone who has built something like this knows there is a path of discovery, and whether you apply clear thinking and resourcefulness or brute force and money it will take time to form a plan of attack that is achievable. Quite apart from the effort to build the car you have to plan within the bounds of what you can afford.

At the 2010 BUB event there were a number of motorcycle guys from Australia that had 'shared' a shipping container with a couple of cars. I guess the bikes were small and light enough to stack on top of the cars and take full use of all the 'air' in the container. The bikes had to leave early enough for Speedweek and the cars didn't get back until after BUB.

Hopefully, the idea might help with your tank attack plans!

Mark
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 20, 2011, 05:48:37 PM
yeah, we're a good prospect for sharing a container and have been offered same. But, the gearing issue, the new motor and fit and finish were what I was talking about, that all needs to be sorted before we go.

And who says it was coming straight back. :roll:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: generatorshovel on March 20, 2011, 06:02:12 PM
But, the gearing issue, the new motor and fit and finish were what I was talking about, that all needs to be sorted before we go.

You gotta crawl before you can run eh Doc !
(My "new" bike arrived yesterday  :-D )
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on March 20, 2011, 07:03:27 PM

And who says it was coming straight back. :roll:

Oh that is good, I didn't think of that... it could stay there for a while... now  I am excited.

Sumner, have you finished boating yet? Can we hang a small lakester from your rafters for a while?

To quote South Pacific, " You have to have a dream to have a dream come true."

Gentlemen, Ladies, we officially have a dream.


When we first started building this metal dream, I asked Dr G how fast do you think we can go. He said he thought we'd be hard pressed to do 180mph but I think he was playing it cool, as deep down below, both of us were daring to believe that it might go faster.

Bonneville wasn't even on the map.
I can now start planning the next few years of living. with purpose.

Dik
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Captthundarr on March 20, 2011, 09:30:20 PM
Yeah, faster with a dream. thats what the wife and I live by. Do it :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on March 20, 2011, 10:17:19 PM
It is Drier in Phoenix  :-P
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: wobblywalrus on March 20, 2011, 11:12:29 PM
What happened to the Lake Omeo idea?  It seemed good.  It would be an alternative site to race.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Freud on March 20, 2011, 11:23:40 PM
Just bring the tin cigar to B'ville. Someone will tell u what u need to do to go faster.

Advice is free after u get  there. Frequently parts are also.

FREUD
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 21, 2011, 12:32:56 AM
What happened to the Lake Omeo idea?  It seemed good.  It would be an alternative site to race.

Been a wet year , and it sounds like it needs a little prep, our car has a ride height of 1&1/2 inch.....I dunno if we could race there....

http://www.dlra.org.au/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1518

Just bring the tin cigar to B'ville. Someone will tell u what u need to do to go faster.
Advice is free after u get  there. Frequently parts are also.
FREUD

I think know most of what we need to do, it's mostly grunt work now......hey ,advice is free here too....after the last few years I'm leaning toward advice I have to pay for...... whereas parts?, chuck 'em here :evil: :evil:

It is Drier in Phoenix  :-P

that's good , we need to dry out the area behind our ears.... :wink:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stan Back on March 21, 2011, 11:13:37 AM
Betcha Elmo Rodge would have a close guess how much horsepower Jack had with the E motor.  I get sad every time I think of Jack, as I'm sure a lot of others do, too.

Stan
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: wolbrink471 on March 21, 2011, 02:46:21 PM
With respect to the Kelly family, I was thinking of another Jack.

Mark
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: maj on March 21, 2011, 08:01:05 PM
What happened to the Lake Omeo idea?  It seemed good.  It would be an alternative site to race.

That one i am very interested in getting off the ground ... hopefully my minor El Mirage experiance can help get something going that could be comparable in setup and results ,
Local townsfolk are keen for something to happen and bring some extra money into the town .
We had several senior members go there lately and i expect we would have had a report during the AGM at L Gairdiner ..
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Tman on March 21, 2011, 08:35:33 PM

And who says it was coming straight back. :roll:

Gentlemen, Ladies, we officially have a dream.

I can now start planning the next few years of living. with purpose.

Dik

I love that quote!
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 22, 2011, 02:23:57 AM
I know it's early but I said we would re-gear the car this year. No time like the present for a ceremonial opening of a worm can.

I took the ten bolt centre and pinion around to the Colonel's house , we wanted to see whether they would fit in a Borg Warner pumpkin like the one we have in the car......wishful thinking. The pinions are very similar but the Torsen centre has more off-set than the Ford LSD and it won't fly. We will have to cut the centre out and flange the ten bolt pumpkin so it can be bolted into the car and use the Ford axles and tubes.......

If that sounds strange it is because the rear axle assembly is solid mounted and held around the axle tubes by triangles which are welded to the rear bulkhead, as it is the tubes seem pretty true, I'm not in any hurry to to that job again because the success of the job was most likely a hefty helping of luck with a dash of good management. ....so, we are hoping to just replace the pumpkin and leave the Ford tubes in place...that takes care of any C clip issues too.

On another front I managed to tidy up the shed and throw out some crap while unpacking everything from the trailer, the shed seems twice the size....and parts will be easier to find, for a while.

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on March 22, 2011, 02:31:17 AM
the shed seems twice the size....and parts will be easier to find, for a while.



Except for the parts that you accidentally threw out...
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Nexxussian on March 22, 2011, 10:58:15 PM
B-Ville, yeah, it'd be a shame not to make the pilgrimage at least once before you park the car.  :-D

I hear ya about the rigid mount on the rear axle, I've got the same issue (but I've been scheming a way around it, my axle unbolts from the chassis though).

Let us all know what you figure out on running out of revs, it does seem peculiar with all the care spent on the build, preperation and planning.  :?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on March 23, 2011, 03:16:28 AM
Let us all know what you figure out on running out of revs, it does seem peculiar with all the care spent on the build, preperation and planning.  :?

Huh? Care?
The engine.
No, I built the engine

And I was kinda pleased when it didn't blow up  :cheers:

G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on March 23, 2011, 07:52:17 AM
It is a big sigh of relief when you can get them off the DYNO without blowing up and they did some nice big numbers.  :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on March 23, 2011, 06:27:19 PM
B-Ville, yeah, it'd be a shame not to make the pilgrimage at least once before you park the car.  :-D

Park the car, Erik? I cannot envision that for a while as long as we are both in good health! Too many things to be done on the car, too many different engines to think about, then there's meth, blowers, different paint schemes, and too many records to go for.

Then there is the "second incarnation." Just like the original So-Cal tank turned Streamliner we have plans to build a streamliner body for the girl once she is sorted (and we have time). I have done a number of cursory sketches and research and think it will be a cool looking thing. I plan to make it with a series of cad cam cut plywood lofts skinned with something interesting.

Given that in the 5 and a half years we have been writing this build diary we have had 3 washouts of the event it might take us quite a long time to do all the combinations and permutations there are...

A long way before we park it indeed. One further hitch is it looks like I'll be moving to China for a couple of years which will limit hands on time, but design time can be done anywhere.

rH+
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Tman on March 23, 2011, 06:35:26 PM
China? What kinda job takes a guy to China?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on March 23, 2011, 06:45:11 PM
Architecture.

I'm currently designing an exhibition centre in the shape of 3 x 30metre (8 storey) lotus flowers sitting on an 20 000m2 artificial lake in Wujin, 3 hours west of Shanghai.

They don't do things by halves let me tell you, and they want things done fast.

So Mrs H+ and I are heading there with our 22month old daughter to set up our office in Wujin to better manage this and other projects and to try to get others.

We both want an adventure and with the changing status of China it is an adventurous place to be.

Zaijian

Dik
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on March 23, 2011, 09:25:59 PM
The thing with China is that they can reproduce anything - but they have to get the ideas from somewhere else. 

Point of fact - try to name an indigenous Chinese brand that sells outside of China.

:roll:

I'm still waiting.

Congrats and good luck to the three of you.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: 4-barrel Mike on March 23, 2011, 09:48:31 PM
I wonder if there are any abandoned airfields nearby?    :mrgreen:

Mike
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on March 23, 2011, 09:58:18 PM
I wonder if there are any abandoned airfields nearby?    :mrgreen:

Mike

Don't worry, I'll be looking! There are definately salt lakes there.

Private car ownership is expanding very quickly, but there is very little hot rodding or classic car culture. Grand Prix and racing developing though.

Each time I visit I have a driver take me the three hours from Shanghai to Wujin. Although the sign says 120kph, he is often driving at 160kph (100mph) and not in a straight line. We weave in and out of big blue trucks and buses all the way, often on the wrong side, regularly having to brake fast. Someone reminded me that they are all beginner drivers of less than 3 years experience typically as that is only when they when cars opened up.

It may cure me of my need for speed...

dik

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Tman on March 23, 2011, 10:18:05 PM
Check this out in China

http://www.dogfightmag.com/2011/03/cadillac-v-day-in-shanghai/
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Geo on March 23, 2011, 10:55:22 PM
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China? What kinda job takes a guy to China?

Car job took me to China for quite a while in the later half of the 90's. I was on a team of 4 who set up a car dealership and got things going. Very different. Rev there are a few givens...

Nothing is real unless you can touch it.

Ring around the rosey.

Do not ask what you are, will be, have just eaten until the next day.

Never take photos of trains, army people or vehicles or most of all air force items.

There are more, many more.

Keep an eye on each other as the 6th to 9 month period is when people go crazy.  You make it or you do not and go home.

Quote
I wonder if there are any abandoned airfields nearby?

If you investigate, you will find out more about the inside of a jail.

Pretend it's not there.

Geo

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Nexxussian on March 24, 2011, 12:01:25 AM
Let us all know what you figure out on running out of revs, it does seem peculiar with all the care spent on the build, preperation and planning.  :?

Huh? Care?
The engine.
No, I built the engine

And I was kinda pleased when it didn't blow up  :cheers:

G


Okay, I posted earlier from my phone, aparently it doesn't like doing that when using a quote.  :?

I understand that sentiment entirely, I have the same feeling after running in an engine I've built.




B-Ville, yeah, it'd be a shame not to make the pilgrimage at least once before you park the car.  :-D

Park the car, Erik? I cannot envision that for a while as long as we are both in good health! Too many things to be done on the car, too many different engines to think about, then there's meth, blowers, different paint schemes, and too many records to go for.

Then there is the "second incarnation." Just like the original So-Cal tank turned Streamliner we have plans to build a streamliner body for the girl once she is sorted (and we have time). I have done a number of cursory sketches and research and think it will be a cool looking thing. I plan to make it with a series of cad cam cut plywood lofts skinned with something interesting.

Given that in the 5 and a half years we have been writing this build diary we have had 3 washouts of the event it might take us quite a long time to do all the combinations and permutations there are...

A long way before we park it indeed. One further hitch is it looks like I'll be moving to China for a couple of years which will limit hands on time, but design time can be done anywhere.

rH+


Yeah, and I hope it's not "parked" for a long time either, but our time on this spinning ball of mud is limited, and can go without warning (lost a few I know recently, but didn't want to be quite so blatant about it ;) ).

Glad to hear the thought of "further development" is still "in the works". :D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on March 24, 2011, 04:47:50 AM
These are some photo's taken by Don Noble's face book page, who came over form NZ and was stuck at the Lake Gairdiner until the road opened. Thanks Don.
G

The Lake
(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc28/grumm441/Lake%20G%202011/Wetlake.jpg)
And the road in and out. Bear in mind it is about 100 miles of this
(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc28/grumm441/Lake%20G%202011/WetRoad.jpg)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: racergeo on March 24, 2011, 11:13:27 AM
 :lol:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on April 06, 2011, 07:27:08 PM
OK, since the 2011 racing season ended with a muffled whimper I have been sort of busy.....

I'd been going hard at it, by the last week before we were to leave we had the motor on the dyno for three days , it started by demolishing the rockers we'd had put together ( brought from the US , then extensive machine work AND the construction of a pedestal mount to set them at the correct angles that the V6 needs... in hindsight it seems that the cam we had had so much lift that the rockers bodies were bottoming on the pedestals , distorting the rocker and allowing the bearing shells to walk out. After about five minutes cycling up to about 3000rpm it started running rough, then dropping a few pots.After removing the rocker covers we found needle rollers and bearing caps floating around but nothing savaged.We went home that night. I was directed to stay at ground central( Jim's possum park, bellytank laboratory and towing service) as I was better put to use there packing the truck and generally getting ready for the race meet which was now looking a little beyond our grasp.The Colonel had a set of SBC rockers, we also had the rockers that had originally come with the new heads I bought last year.He spent another two days there with Ian and Matt and as posted earlier squeezed around 311hp out of it...just to refresh the build has cast pistons, a stock crank that has been balanced with the full rotating assembly, the heads are ported by a workshop in Sydney well known for their drag motors but most particularly for getting big flow figures where others thought the limit had been reached.The heads were built for a turbo motor , the comp is 9.6:1.

Thursday morning the motor arrived at Sunshine and we got cracking, we'd hoped to leave Friday morning but with things as they were, the Colonel presenting as distinctly unwell and there being a "cloud" over the event we were secretly thinking we had at least another day in it.By 4pm we had it in the car and turning over, then running.

This motor turns hydrocarbons into noise better than last years motor that's for sure...... A sweet but brutal sound with a shrill tearing sound at about 3 grand.....the administrator wasn't happy that we hadn't warned the aging neighbours.........

We had a beer , the Colonel went, the Rev and I got the car onto the truck.....for goodness sake IT'S A TOW TRUCK!!!!!! it felt like we were trying to drag a two ton whale into a canoe......Pete's trailer that we used to use was a cakewalk.

I was up at the crack and continued on packing the truck and trailer.....14 hours or something , I was ruined ....come Saturday morning I was sort of shell shocked , ate breakfast staggered out there and started organising tools and spares....by about 10am I was looking like I could leave........

10.45 the call came through from Dirty Dave , it was off.



Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on April 06, 2011, 07:59:05 PM
The heads were built for a turbo motor , the comp is 9.6:1.

What kind of octane do you have available?  Is it a future strategy that's keeping you from bumping up the CR? 

   
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on April 06, 2011, 09:39:21 PM
What kind of octane do you have available?  Is it a future strategy that's keeping you from bumping up the CR? 

We can get pretty much anything you guys can wallet willing.

I have fielded varied criticism about the specs of the motor we have put together this time around.

Jack Dolan was the one who encouraged us to build a motor with a long duration cam, compression that was in the nines and heads that would flow .

We can up the comp with forged custom pistons, get a forged crank, get some tough rods........brother can ya loan me a dime?


We have over 300hp at 6300rpm , with the gearing we had last year we need about 6700rpm. with the new rear set we will do 200 at about 5850rpm.

The two years we have run I have clocked 160.xx and 193.xxx , both times the revs matched the speed EXACTLY. the first year we did it with a tired 200,000mile motor with cleaned up heads.

Last year we did the 193 with a motor that was terminally out of balance.Either way we are a long way from "hitting the wall"

The motor that has just come off the dyno makes all the power we need to do 200, and a bit more. We have a very , very clean shape ........we built the motor that we could afford, that would do what we needed it to do, and would last.It did 30 pulls over 6 grand and the oil looked fine, everything looked AOK.

If we built a motor with much higher comp, we would have more work tuning it, it would have cost a LOT more , may not have lasted due to the increased internal stresses and , hey, we mighten't have finished it........this, is all I can afford....and that's pretty much the nub of it.

Why don't we just get a small block , it's easy to get 500hp out of 'em, while we're there we might as well get an old dragster, yeah, then we'd be onto something............. :wink: :wink: :wink:


My motivations for being in this are varied, and so are those of the Rev and the Colonel.We built a car that we hoped would marry old school charm and incorporate the later requirements of safety and that it would also be built specifically as a land speed car, aerodynamic and properly so.( I steer clear of commenting as much as I can , but most people miss this crucial point). We are confident that we have done pretty well on those counts. kepping engines up to the car is an expensive and complicated issue that would be easier if we had a business in the game, or piles of money....we ain't got neither.

So, what we are trying to do is let our capabilities tame our ambition. We are creeping up slowly on what I see as one of the attainable records in Special Construction.We may never get there, but in the mean time we'll be racing.......faster than many, for less than most. :wink:

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Geo on April 06, 2011, 10:20:34 PM
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My motivations for being in this are varied, and so are those of the Rev and the Colonel.We built a car that we hoped would marry old school charm and incorporate the later requirements of safety and that it would also be built specifically as a land speed car, aerodynamic and properly so.( I steer clear of commenting as much as I can , but most people miss this crucial point). We are confident that we have done pretty well on those counts. kepping engines up to the car is an expensive and complicated issue that would be easier if we had a business in the game, or piles of money....we ain't got neither.

So, what we are trying to do is let our capabilities tame our ambition. We are creeping up slowly on what I see as one of the attainable records in Special Construction.We may never get there, but in the mean time we'll be racing.......faster than many, for less than most. wink

You guys have a great outlook, wonderful team camaraderie, one of the best thought out speed pursuits. I am enjoying your adventure and wish I could help more! All the best to all of you. My heart fell when I heard about the cancellation. Keep after it. I feel you are about to achieve balance in all aspects of your life!  200 mph+! What will that feel like? I'm pulling for you all! Thanks for bringing us along!

Geo
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on April 07, 2011, 05:10:10 AM
So anyway, the call came through and we weren't going.....man, It's like Christmas has been canceled ....despite it having being too wet for three out of the last five years it still hurts, well, not so much hurts as leaves a real big hole.

Deep down there is also a sigh of relief, all the unknowns become knowns, all the hard work that we were about to have to do after the exhausting weeks that had just been ....didn't have to happen. In the short term that is relief. Who knows what it was going to be like driving the 3 litre 4 cylinder diesel with very short diff for four days at 50mph ......

The car still had the mysterious hang up at 6400rpm , without borrowing some 30 inch tyres it wasn't gonna do 200........ I was taking the little "cheater" mudguards to put us in streamliner class ....but that's not really the main game is it?

So, we went to the Sunshine Community festival....... the following is an extract from an email I sent the Milwaukee Midget .....

After collecting our thoughts we took a walk down to the Sunshine street festival. Sunshine has people from just about every country on earth and some others as well which is one of the big reasons "hers" and I love it so much...we started at the dance stage. The compere was Rod Quantock and well known left of centre comedian ...there were Ukrainian dance groups, Macedonians( with the struttingest young buck in a fuzzy white hat playing a drum), the Serbs, Koreans, Phillipino's....Quantock was taking the piss perfectly, vox-popping passers by...everybody was laughing it really was fantastic. We went and had some food (Indian)and wandered back...this time there were awe struck kids with their faces gyroscopically trained on a certain part of the crowd as they sort of danced, a guy with a knife , a girl with an umbrella and then, the square dancers.

Quantock introduced The Silver Spinners' Square dancing as "sort of walking to music, or rolling"...just as we noticed two of the square dancers were in wheel chairs.There was an old lady with grey tightly curled hair and REALLY bandy legs in a circle skirt that was hitched under her tits ....she danced like a maniac, a fat lady with a hot pink tank-top and a floral skirt who struggled to keep up and who's face got redder and redder and the "young thing" who was , I overheard, 33...she had "the moves". She had a leopard print circle skirt with short bloomers underneath, teeth pointing in every direction and perfectly greasy hair.That was the women. There was a guy with a mauve shirt ....and no teeth, a youngfella who nodded continually and a plodding old duffer with his pants hitched under his armpits.The wheelchair folk parked in the corner and the show began. At first the mixer didn't have the caller's mike up loud enough but that was quickly sorted....he had absolutely no tonal control over his voice at all, but continued to sing over the music while calling the steps.

At the end of the first number the "young thing" , with her back to the audience , scratched her arse...and I don't mean her cheeks..

I turned at one point and caught the eye of a really hip looking black woman beside me and we just cracked up. This was the only thing that white Anglo's had been involved in , and didn't they put on a show.....we had to retreat to a distance where we could laugh. If the Cohen brothers had cast it it wouldn't have been as weird I swear.

From there we wandered around the corner and caught the Hip-Hop stage."Hers" has had 12 nationalities in her class at times and being an emergency teacher has taught heaps of local kids so of course there's kids everywhere.."hi Dr Goggles missus( that's not really what they said but you know what I mean)!!!"...the hip-hop stage was going off....an MC about 17 who was very pro and then an all girl outfit who just dragged kids up who could really,really dance....I looked around and the audience were totally absorbed, rating everything that went down, cheering ,dissing ,there was a match-stick thin Somalian girl in a headscarf doing the maddest booty-shake , an eight year old who did a robot that was hilarious, another tiny kid doing back flips...and yet "Hers" was pointing out two kids who were pushing others to get up who she said were unbelievable dancers...it was quite emotional, it was real.

Then we went home, sat on the couch ,ate pizza and had a couple of fizzy drinks.


Tomorrow, more. :wink:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on April 08, 2011, 02:11:36 AM
 I already had my holidays booked to go o the salt, "Hers" did too.......by lunchtime Sunday she'd found a web-site that handled "return rentals"....We'd found a 4 bed campervan that had to be returned to Alice Springs in central Australia, we'd have to pay all but $210 of the fuel bill and pay $5 perday , we took an extra day at $75.... It would be just the thing to get the driving bug out of the sytem, see Uluru(Ayres Rock) and The Alice which neither of us had done....

We left on the Thursday and headed for Port Wakefield ,it was an awful day with strong winds and driving rain. We had a "counter meal"( that's what we call a pub meal here) at Tailem Bend and then continued on for another two hours to Port Wakefield where we stopped in a truck bay for the night with a little over 500miles behind us... We were driving a brand new 4 bed on the back of a Fiat Ducato diesel with the most annoying servo operated manual transmission you could imagine...a brilliant piece of engineering that seemed to incorporate the worst aspects of auto's and manual's and none of the good points of either, but having said that , it did make an incredibly annoying beep everytime you started it to say that the stick wasn't in the right position....There were six pages about it in the manual, she asked me several times whether I had read the manual.

Why would I do that?.....

Day two was the haul from Port Wakefield to Coober Pedy passing on the way through Port Augusta which is the last town before you head to the salt...We got the few things we'd forgotten food wise and headed off. We came to the crossroads where you have a choice..."A1 Perth 1484 miles or A87 Alice Spring 762 miles"..... we turned north for the Alice  it was spitting, but most notably it was green, as far as the eye could see. This is usually very harsh , dry, red country.....

We stopped at the first lookout....and looked back toward Port Augusta , it's old country and everything is on a scale that says billions of years, we had a long way to go....we got truckin.

We stopped at Spud's roadhouse on the road into Woomera. (http://www.landracing.com/forum/index.php/topic,862.465.html )....filled the tank and I had a shower.... She was elsewhere when I got back to the camper...I opened the side door and it swung all the way open and a gas strut was hanging from the bottom of it, I noticed that the cups on either end were plastic and that there was nothing to limit the door.....well , gee that was gonna last forever...it became on ongoing theme.....

"who thought that up?, gee how come that hasn't broken already?......why is that there? .....gee that looks flimsy......hey nice glass top on the cooker , who ever thought we'd need one of them in a mobile campervan?"

We stopped at The next viewing area which looks over Island Lagoon a big salt lake at the nth eastern corner of Lake Gairdner. The Woomera area is the edge of a large escarpment which delineates a huge flat plain from the slighty lower area that is the Gairdner/Port Augusta area to the south ......I was "making my way back tomy seat as She began driving ouit of the car-park, the soooooper-dooooooper transmission went through one of it's painfully drawn out gear shifts , I lurched forward and smacked my head for the third time of the day, but this time straining my neck......an old whiplash injury I got years back running out of the workshop with a welding helmet flipped up which caught the door.I was grumpy and sat in the passenger seat, It was OK that my neck was stiff as the scenery is pretty much the same in every direction...we were in the desert, the only wildlife werethe ever present Peregrine falcons, the odd crow and finches...we'd seen a bit of roadkill but nothing warm blooded that didn't have wings...we made it to Coober Pedy moments before nightfall. Coober Pedy is an outpost that began when opals were discovered....for a long time everybody lived in converted mines and the place had a reputation for lawlessness. Some people live above ground now.

The outstanding point about Coober Pedy was that the whole area was like a bowling green.......generally it is a moonscape, red dirt and thousands and thousands of pointy mullock heaps..... the only relief being broken and rusty jerry-built mining equipment.

We went and had a beer at one of the pubs, it was Friday night and there was a DJ in the lounge, the boys stood at the bar while girls danced around their handbags ....then a couple of blackfellas turned up, one of them laid on some breakdancing, every bit as good as we'd seen the previous weekend, the girls all knew him and gave him all the room he needed and a rousing round of applause as he went back to his table, they'd been tossing coins at his feet which he didn't  pick up so one of them followed him and put them on the table, he pushed them over to his friends..... It was the only pub in town, one of the girls told "Hers" that everywhere was closing at sunset because of the cost of electricity which was set to double.......

We walked back to the camper park under the brilliant desert sky ......the next morning the prop of the camper park said he hadn't seen "it 'round here like this ever and I've been here nearly thirty years"... he had hands that you could have used to grind metal and was like many names in the area from the Baltic states.

We went to the supermarket and then visited the underground Catholic church.........then we hit the road , we had eight hours of driving to get to Uluru and this ain't no country for night driving.....
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: wobblywalrus on April 08, 2011, 02:27:07 AM
A thought about compression ratios in the nines and I know you guys want to run at B'ville as contenders.  The first Triumph build had a 9.2 to 1 static compression ratio near sea level.  I felt comfortable with that ratio.  The dynamic ratio near sea level was 8.6 to 1.  The engine was weak on the salt.  One of the reasons was this.  The dynamic ratio at B'ville was only 7.7 to 1.  The thin air is the culprit.

The compression ratio was raised during the next build to 10.5 to 1 static and 9.2 to 1 dynamic ratios near sea level.  This works OK at lower elevations.  The important thing is what happens at B'ville. The dynamic ratio at the high salt flat altitude is 8.4 to 1.  This is similar to the old motor at sea level.

In other words, an engine that runs comfortably with a static ratio in the nines near sea level should run well on the salt with a higher static compression ratio, possibly in the tens.  It would not need the stronger crank, rods, etc.  Something to think about.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on April 08, 2011, 03:30:21 AM
That is exactly the kind of thinking we like to hear, thanks Walrus for your input. We shall think about it indeed.

d
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on April 10, 2011, 11:19:08 PM
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In other words, an engine that runs comfortably with a static ratio in the nines near sea level should run well on the salt with a higher static compression ratio, possibly in the tens.  It would not need the stronger crank, rods, etc.  Something to think about.[

Yeah that's right but right now we have a bottom end that was bought as an unfinished project( unstarted) for the grand total of $500, If we could find pistons for it that allowed us the luxury of choosing the comp they would be somewhere between twice and three times that price.

There is an irrefutable argument that we would be better off building the engine we need in the endas we would be saving money.That irrefutable argument ignores two ever present realities. The first is we don't have that money, we're dreaming about freehold on a higher purchase budget. The second ultimate truth is we don't know everything: we might break something very, very expensive through a simple and inexpensive part letting us down...........The experience is invaluable......or should I say pricelessand each year we are nailing down the ancillaries to keep the show on the road....this year the Colonel made a bigger sump, it seemed to keep everything under control during the dyno work that was done....

The experience is something we are slowly compiling.......If someone can just casually slip me the list of what we should do
I'll send it back later with adjustments..... There are any number of package builds here for these motors....none of them serve up what we need though.....most of them are turbo builds or strokers.....they are built for the quarter and run out of puff at 6 grand, and they cost more than we have spent in the last two years..... there is of course just one other minor issue( doth thou detect a hint of tharcathm?)....they are all the later series motor....won't fit our heads, won't fit our flywheel.....not yet sure if they'll fit our car...but hey....

Sure I can understand that from a distance we just flappin' around in the dust but....we are getting somewhere......but that won't be Bonneville next year......and it won't be this motor, but it will be one like it. :wink:

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on April 13, 2011, 04:44:39 AM
And if some one could slip me a list of where we could keep all these motors :-D

My dad loaned me some frequent flyer points
So I just booked my tickets and I am coming over again for Speedweek and BUB.
And all I need to do is organise the rental car. and some T shirts from the meeting that never was
I might even try and work out where Wayno lives.


Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on April 13, 2011, 08:22:20 AM
So I just booked my tickets and I am coming over again for Speedweek and BUB.
And all I need to do is organise the rental car. and some T shirts from the meeting that never was
I might even try and work out where Wayno lives.

Time to hide the homebrew, Wayno.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on April 13, 2011, 09:03:31 AM
So I just booked my tickets and I am coming over again for Speedweek and BUB.
And all I need to do is organise the rental car. and some T shirts from the meeting that never was
I might even try and work out where Wayno lives.

Time to hide the homebrew, Wayno.
Sounds like I'd better fire up another batch.  :roll:  :cheers: Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Kiwi Paul on April 14, 2011, 01:45:12 AM
New Batch? Hell, I never got to sample the previous one..... :mrgreen: :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on April 14, 2011, 09:16:01 AM
Wayno, I prefer the dark brews so as long as you are at it....  :wink:
Maybe it is time to start a small production facility.
 :cheers:

Oh, Graham welcome back, if you are bringing shirts, 2 XLs for me, can paypal now or pay on the salt.  check priceline for a name your own price rental car... start low.... $10 a day or less, where are you flying in to?

Doc, motor opinions are not like a$$holes, most people have several...  :roll:  build what you can afford, that you think will do the job

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on April 14, 2011, 10:10:16 AM
build what you can afford, that you think will do the job

My Good Dr G

I think you got that wrong---should be:

Build what you think you can afford-----THAT will do the job
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on April 14, 2011, 05:48:28 PM
Wayno, I prefer the dark brews so as long as you are at it....  :wink:
Maybe it is time to start a small production facility.
 :cheers:

Oh, Graham welcome back, if you are bringing shirts, 2 XLs for me, can paypal now or pay on the salt.  check priceline for a name your own price rental car... start low.... $10 a day or less, where are you flying in to?

Doc, motor opinions are not like a$$holes, most people have several...  :roll:  build what you can afford, that you think will do the job



Stainless

Yes , I will be bringing T-Shirts, it's just a shame I can't bring some of my own home brew. I've got a couple of hundred bottles here.
And my own car, but I just can't get it my luggage. And it has a bit of a salt phobia. In fact I will not even drive it down a road that has the word beach in it.
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on April 14, 2011, 08:06:54 PM
Wayno, I prefer the dark brews so as long as you are at it....  :wink:
a good mate would look at me drinking Tooheys Old, a dark ale they make in New South Wales and say " I dunno why you drink that stuff, I mean, where does the brown stuff go, huh?, it doesn't come out....they'll open you up when you're dead and you'll be jammed full of that sh**"

My favorite beer is Abbottsford Invalid Stout, they turn the barley into charcoal for that stuff it's a four course meal in a glass......

Doc, motor opinions are not like a$$holes, most people have several...  :roll:  build what you can afford, that you think will do the job

Actually The Colonel builds what I can afford.......

Quote from: Colonelbrewenstein

Yes , I will be bringing T-Shirts, it's just a shame I can't bring some of my own home brew. I've got a couple of hundred bottles here.

yeah, he's left all number of things at my place ,apple cider( dry, got legless) ginger beer...(strange ,worked) and regular beer(very good it worked too).....so, if yer givin it away Colonel... :wink:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: racergeo on April 15, 2011, 01:48:21 PM
     
    Belly up ta da cash machine Dr. cause if your comin to Americian salt you'll need 500 ponies. Heres the E-Bay # for the necessary bullet. 170627407218. Anything less then 2 HP per C.I. is a wheezer!! You have three days to to convince the PM and her mate to give you a government performance grant in order to "whip the yanks"  :lol:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: wobblywalrus on April 15, 2011, 08:49:03 PM
Winning is expensive or very expensive.  The cost can be kept down by fully understanding the challenge.  This is the track, environment, competition, rules, etc.  This creates a focus so the effort is spent on the important things.  Advice is important too.  The ability to benefit from others experience prevents the relearning of costly lessons.  Time is good.  It allows a person to shop around and to get good prices.  Help is important, too.  It is very hard to go it alone.

These folks from AUS can come here and win.  No doubt.  They need constructive advice and encouragement.  Our low bucks racing fraternity can give it.   We do a lot on a little every day.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on April 15, 2011, 10:23:27 PM
Doc, drinking dark beer is the only way you know all your parts are still working.... If you drink that yellow beer and you pee yellow are you sure your filters are working  :| no, but when you drink the dark and pee yellow you know your body is operating properly.  :-D  It is about keeping healthy ... not to mention that flavor thing....
 :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Tman on April 15, 2011, 11:03:58 PM
Doc, drinking dark beer is the only way you know all your parts are still working.... If you drink that yellow beer and you pee yellow are you sure your filters are working  :| no, but when you drink the dark and pee yellow you know your body is operating properly.  :-D  It is about keeping healthy ... not to mention that flavor thing....
 :cheers:

You sir are a sage!
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on April 15, 2011, 11:36:44 PM
you are not drinking NEAR enough :evil: if you are still peeing yellow  :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on April 15, 2011, 11:42:49 PM
     
    Belly up ta da cash machine Dr. cause if your comin to Americian salt you'll need 500 ponies.

 http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170627407218&fromMakeTrack=true&ssPageName=VIP:watchlink:top:en

Anything less then 2 HP per C.I. is a wheezer!! You have three days to to convince the PM and her mate to give you a government performance grant in order to "whip the yanks"  :lol:

right motor, sort of......... right bellhousing , wrong crank(although according to my rules of engagement it looks like it comes with a multiplate clutch), and wtf is that thing poking out of the timing cover?

Mmmmmmm Kinsler :-P

Anyway George...I'm not entirely sure I should take everything you say as gospel coz when I leave Bonneville I'm hoping to do it with a pat on the back not a slipper in the coit*.

no offense :wink:


* http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=coit

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on April 16, 2011, 12:16:29 PM
[/i] Bonneville I'm hoping to do it with a pat on the back not a slipper in the coit*.

Coit? 

Always sending me to the dictionary, these Aussies.

Okay, so if I extrapolate, from the Latin, into Aussie English, "Coitus Interruptus" would be making an idiot shut up?

:|
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on April 16, 2011, 01:40:08 PM
naw me thinks  :? he is looking for a pat on the back  :-)instead of a kick to his backside :cry:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on April 16, 2011, 01:43:19 PM
Not calling ANYONE an idiot - just grappling with the language, and hoping to properly catalogue this idiom for further use . . .
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: racergeo on April 16, 2011, 02:08:49 PM
   Der good Dr., if you don't come with enough ammo (H.P.) your liable to leave with an Isky 404 JR in the sphincter. (over heard from Stroker McGurk when he thought his mic was off) :-o
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on April 16, 2011, 07:27:08 PM
Nah, I was having a crack at George who went faster by accident than we'll ever go........

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on April 16, 2011, 07:45:05 PM
Speaking of Coits'
Russell Coit

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XWEU1A0qmI&NR=1
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: racergeo on April 16, 2011, 08:47:43 PM
  Grummy, thanks for that. They say laughter is the best medicine and I'm sick of this weather in western Washington. Record rain and 10* F below average temp. Keep that coming and I'll be all better!
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on April 16, 2011, 10:03:48 PM
Sorry to disappoint anyone but this is a post about the Australian Bellytank.... :roll:

I pulled the motor a few weeks back and took it round to the Colonel's....intact, unmolested.I managed to break an 02 sensor when the header it was in fell over slowly and landed with a quiet but distinct "crack"......that left me with the inanimate body and frame........

Today I jacked it up onto the stands and started thinking how I'm going to chop the Borg-Warner pumpkin out and install the 10 bolt. At times I've thought I might take the whole rear superstructure off as the frame is bolted to it at the rear bulk-head....nah, that means there's even less support when I have the pumpkin out.....it seems it will be best to do it all in-situ...I'll politely ask the Colonel to turn some aluminium bushes for the radius rods and then I think I'll just weld some half inch rod spars to support the axles tubes at as many locations as possible. I will also have to make some new way of supporting the rear of the car to take the weight off the axle stands....just to remind yers, we are cutting out the pumpkin because we want to keep the Ford axle tubes,axles( we're changing to 28's)and brakes

I took the wheels off to store them and found two lug-nuts that could have been tighter, I was certain I did every single one to the click with the torque wrench.....obviously not....just goes to show precision and rushed preparation aren't necessarily happy bedfellows.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on April 17, 2011, 03:26:59 AM
Sorry to disappoint anyone but this is a post about the Australian Bellytank.... :roll:

I pulled the motor a few weeks back and took it round to the Colonel's....intact, unmolested.


My Dad was just here to tell me he had the parts for the track tensioner for his Cat D8
I think he was hinting at something. And I think I know what I am doing over Easter
While he was here, he was doing his usual wonder around the crap that was in the yard looking for his ladder, that I don't have.
As I had all the bikes out of the shed, he could get in there and fiddle with stuff. Amongst other things he hinted at, like fitting the new engine to his DC welder and fixing the sliding gate i put up at his house 20 is years ago. He pointed out to me that the inlet manifold bolts were loose on the tank motor! Unmolested?
He also pointed out that I had an awful lot of motorcycles and car engines and that I should get rid of a few. This is me hinting at something.
I told him they were not all this stuff was mine
And Goggles, if you want some homebrew. I have ten 1.25 liter bottles of 2011LG special brew. oops, make that nine and three 2 liter bottles of ginger beer you can take, when you come to pickup the alloytech
G


I wonder how the alloytech would go hooked up to the Lincoln DC welder
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on April 17, 2011, 06:05:10 AM
You're losin' ya mind......... :?


I told you I took the manifold off L,S&B because as you may remember we swung the motor sideways to get the car under it....couldn't quite manage that by meself, had to hoist it higher to get the car out from underneath it..., that means with the TB's or the whole lot off ......

Unmolested meant I didn't pull the heads off and fill the valley with blasting sand :cheers: :cheers:

Small mercies..... :roll:

The Alloytec on the welder?.....they've already finished the Westgate bridge........anyway why does your septuagenarian father have a D8?...struth, lucky he's away from built up areas........I might have a buyer for the Alloytec same folks might want to take the tow-truck too...they've hired it the last two weeks and it's just what they're after......... I'll come over this week and get the motor....

As you were men. :wink:


Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on April 17, 2011, 09:02:25 AM
He's an Octogenarian :?
If he was a Septuagenarian he would have a D7 :-D
And I know what you told me, but it's still molested

Have you got the UHF out of the truck, that's of course if it made it in the truck
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on April 19, 2011, 06:33:12 AM
I'm bored.

I went to see Bill my friendly wrecker here in Sunshine....he's a hot-rodder , he's kind of fond of me ...I exploit that as much as possible. I have been itching to do something with the other little tank we've got here and I figure the "Chopped" show is just the place with it's 1/8th mile dirt drags.....

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/stewshots036.jpg)

 A short-cut to a simple set up would be to use the 250cc v-twin I got hit on as it has all the necessary devices I'd need, motor, gearbox,clutch.....so anyway I go and see Bill ,once he shuts up and gets the swing of what I need ( I want a little diff/axle assembly  , I already have a largely complete Prefect front end) he says "this is what you want.....Morris Oxford!........ I can have the rear end and four wheels  for $150, the spoked Dodge wheels in the above pic went to Norm Hardinge for his V12 34 coupe...and sadly I don't have that complete piece that's sitting atop it in the pic either but we'll figure something out.......the diff is tiny and there's four 14x4 inch full disc steel wheels with nice cross plies on 'em ..." it's period correct James...1949!"....I'm figuring there'll be some other neat little pieces I can lift  too........we'll need to knock up some kingpins,a drag link and  split the wishbones to get the front end happening ,the Colonel thinks go kart style steering , then it's a case of arranging a driveshaft off the secondary.........yeah ,sounds like a piece of cake....... :roll:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on April 19, 2011, 09:36:57 AM
250cc  :?  Try a 650 to 1000, they include a trans, turn it sideways, weld a u-joint on a cut down sprocket and you are ready to bolt to a rearend.  Get the wiring harness with the bike and it should almost be ready to rock.

If you require a "period correct" motor and trans an old Morris or Crosley would be cool
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on April 19, 2011, 10:04:32 AM
If you require a "period correct" motor and trans an old Morris or Crosley would be cool

If he required a period correct motor....

I'm working part time in this place
Today I worked on an Aprilia Shiver (fly by wire bike), an English 750 Bonnie
I'll have a look for a period motor
The pop quiz is, apart from the Guzzi and the Triumph, what are the other three bikes
(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc28/grumm441/Some%20Other%20Stuff/Bonnie.jpg)
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on April 19, 2011, 10:28:19 AM
250cc  :?  Try a 650 to 1000, they include a trans, turn it sideways, weld a u-joint on a cut down sprocket and you are ready to bolt to a rearend.  Get the wiring harness with the bike and it should almost be ready to rock.

If you require a "period correct" motor and trans an old Morris or Crosley would be cool

jeez :roll:....use watchagot.......for development...then keep an eye out for the goods.....

250 is what's sitting there........plenty of crashed bigguns to be had....


I ain't use no Pommy donk, besides the 250'll have more grunt than the Morry anyhow...


A Guzzi would be just the go....somethin' about the symetry and the 'box that would seem just right
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Moxnix on April 19, 2011, 10:32:37 AM
Vincent, BSA, and I don't see the third bike w/ me world weary peepers.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on April 19, 2011, 05:21:32 PM
Jeez
I thought that would've taken longer
Good work with spotting the Vincent
Third bike is tricky because you can see less of it than the Vincent
Behind the Guzzi
Just a curve of a seat and a grabrail
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on April 19, 2011, 07:18:56 PM
This just came in on email....

Now I don't expect these will turn up in the US , however they may be spoken about....who knows....Norm is the guyI mentioned a few posts back with the '34 V12....he has taken his black '34 roadster to Bonneville the last few years, great guy and he's been great encouragement to us....anyway here's the email


STOLEN FROM BIG KNOB RACING'S RACE TRAILER

TWO BILLET ALLOY 18 INCH RIMS

TWO MICKEY THOMPSON BONNEVILLE SALT TYRES (SLICKS)

THESE TYRES HAVE 'EXPERIMENTAL USE ONLY' WRITTEN ON THEM

THEY ARE RATED AT 300 MPH

AND 2 HOOSIER FRONT RINNERS WITH STEEL RIMS



$ REWARD OFFERED FOR INFO



CALL NORM ON 0425 700 954



Thanks, Norm.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: saltwheels262 on April 19, 2011, 07:29:20 PM
that's a pounding.
hope the maggot is taken care of.

franey
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Glen on April 19, 2011, 07:37:12 PM
Only low life's do that kind of stuff, it happens a lot here in the states. Hope they catch them and lock them up for a long time.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Peter Jack on April 19, 2011, 09:55:13 PM
Trouble around here is they get off pretty easy.

Pete
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on April 19, 2011, 09:58:27 PM
I ain't use no Pommy donk, besides the 250'll have more grunt than the Morry anyhow...

 :cry:

I've got a 948 sitting in the basement that's just screaming to be installed in such a vehicle.

In fact, I bought the block off of e-Bay, and they shipped it to me via US mail.  :-o

If I break it down, I think two boxes will ship the whole kit to Oz.

Let's see . . . Why YES!  I've still got your addy . . .

Do you want to relieve the block and go with a big valve head, or shall I just ship the stocker?  :cheers:
 
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on April 19, 2011, 10:16:35 PM
I ain't use no Pommy donk, besides the 250'll have more grunt than the Morry anyhow...

 :cry:

I've got a 948 sitting in the basement that's just screaming to be installed in such a vehicle.

In fact, I bought the block off of e-Bay, and they shipped it to me via US mail.  :-o

If I break it down, I think two boxes will ship the whole kit to Oz.

Let's see . . . Why YES!  I've still got your addy . . .

Do you want to relieve the block and go with a big valve head, or shall I just ship the stocker?  :cheers:
 

Don't encourage him
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on April 19, 2011, 10:50:42 PM
Don't encourage him
G

Ooooh - did some digging - came up with a DGV manifold and an adapter that should fit a Stromberg 97.  This could turn into quite the little cornucopia grab-bag.

How many Lucas distributors should I package up for you?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on April 19, 2011, 11:03:29 PM
.....
I've got a 948 sitting in the basement that's just screaming to be installed in such a vehicle.  

for a minute there I thought you were talking about a Duke motor and I thought ...pity I don't know anyone with duke experience :roll: :roll:

But you ain't is ya, it's a Mowog.............innit cobber :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on April 19, 2011, 11:04:54 PM
Don't encourage him
G
Ooooh - did some digging - came up with a DGV manifold and an adapter that should fit a Stromberg 97.  This could turn into quite the little cornucopia grab-bag.
How many Lucas distributors should I package up for you?

Wow , sounds like it's been a long time between hard rubbish nights round your way.......



you muck with that stuff too long they'll burn you at the stake :wink:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on April 19, 2011, 11:11:54 PM
Actually, Kate will be glad to get her grandmother's antique cedar hope chest back.

Good of you to take it off my hands, mate.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: generatorshovel on April 20, 2011, 07:45:32 PM
Hey Doc,  I have the perfect powerplant for your tank creation, It's spent the last 15 yrs as a coffee table, its period correct, Australian and sounds GREAT.
It's being "looked after" for a friend, but I'm sure he won't mind if it fires up in a different state for a while as a loaner.
(http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t24/generatorshovel/JAP_Vtwin_Denmark.jpg)
A man of your talents should have no trouble hooking it up to a small auto trans.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on April 20, 2011, 07:57:25 PM
all I can say ( in Ren's voice )is........Whaaaaaaaaat eeeeeeezzzzzz eeeeeet.....????????
(http://th782.photobucket.com/albums/yy102/Wolffie_2010/th_ren.gif)


(http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t24/generatorshovel/JAP_Vtwin_Denmark.jpg)
ahhhhhh is JAP!


that, is bloody gold mate.....
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: generatorshovel on April 20, 2011, 08:00:43 PM
all I can say ( in Ren's voice )is........Whaaaaaaaaat eeeeeeezzzzzz eeeeeet.....????????
(http://th782.photobucket.com/albums/yy102/Wolffie_2010/th_ren.gif)
You eeeeeediot,,its a Howard flathead 80 cube,,as used in the Howard rotary cultivator (J.a.p) origin I think ?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on April 20, 2011, 08:04:05 PM
Would you be so kind sir to ask what kind of debasment I'd have to endure to take it off his , er , hands?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on April 20, 2011, 08:17:21 PM
Gee, I was going to guess a victa lawn mower engine... but i Guess its a bit big. Blaxland?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on April 20, 2011, 08:19:04 PM
Would you be so kind sir to ask what kind of debasment I'd have to endure to take it off his , er , hands?

Well, perhaps you can pull a SPARKY and run two engines - I REALLY need to get this 948 out of the cedar chest . . .
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on April 20, 2011, 08:41:34 PM
We could use the 948 as a starter motor for the JAP.....

This is getting savagely out-of-hand.................
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on April 20, 2011, 08:45:26 PM
Get them both and store them at the Colonels...

 :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on April 20, 2011, 09:10:04 PM
Well, perhaps you can pull a SPARKY and run two engines - I REALLY need to get this 948 out of the cedar chest . . .

This could be the second engine
G

(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc28/grumm441/Stuff%20at%20Greys%20house/engine_spill_10.jpg)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on April 20, 2011, 09:15:31 PM
Get them both and store them at the Colonels...

 :-D


Should be able to find room in the shed
this pop quiz is easier, there are ten bikes and a moped, I can see six
I currently have 19 total
G
(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc28/grumm441/Stuff%20at%20Greys%20house/Shed.jpg)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on April 20, 2011, 09:30:51 PM
aw, cripes , what's that Dulux rattle can doin' there......you're not planning on painting anything are you :-o


And for all you duck hunters that seat with the clearly displayed name of an Italian manufacturer on it is a very very neat 450 single .......my dearly departed dog Ollie had a good set of ears and would recognize ANY of my friends vehicles , but when that thing turned up she would go absolutely crazy, she could hear something in it....
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on April 20, 2011, 09:34:03 PM
Are you sure it wasn't because who was on it?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on April 20, 2011, 09:49:57 PM
Ollie was particularly fond of humping the Colonel's leg......but the barking was demonic

OK B.O.T

I just received a series of phone calls from a certain photographer who is leaning on me something severe to attend a certain salt racing event....... I am currently undergoing a cardiac event.....

He's already hired a car


someone is going to kill me.... :roll:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on April 20, 2011, 10:02:33 PM
That's great news, you've got to go!

The Colonel is going... perfect planning for NEXT year (yes I read your report of not going next year but things only happen when you commit to them happening...)

What, no jealous emoticon?

rH+
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on April 20, 2011, 10:24:18 PM
. . . leaning on me something severe to attend a certain salt racing event....... I am currently undergoing a cardiac event.....
 . . .
someone is going to kill me.... :roll:

Yeah, that's always a tough one, and requires thoughtful phrasing.

Here's one that doesn't work . . .

"Honey, when you were tidying up, did you perchance stumble across my passport?"

Well, this is great news - the 948 will fit in the overhead . . . 8-)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on April 20, 2011, 10:40:18 PM

I just received a series of phone calls from a certain photographer who is leaning on me something severe to attend a certain salt racing event....... I am currently undergoing a cardiac event.....

He's already hired a car

someone is going to kill me.... :roll:

Great. now there will be someone there who understands English.
And does this get me out of hiring a car?
If you want' I can ring her. I'm very diplomatic.

G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on April 20, 2011, 10:46:08 PM
................carefully re-read my post. At no point did I actually say I was going.

That is the public record .

If you want' I can ring her. I'm very diplomatic.
G

Familiar with the term collateral damage?

You'll get us both killed, this requires some serious thought.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on April 20, 2011, 11:17:07 PM
................carefully re-read my post. At no point did I actually say I was going.

Okay, CAREFULLY re-reading the post

I just received a series of phone calls from a certain photographer who is leaning on me something severe to attend a certain salt racing event....... I am currently undergoing a cardiac event.....

An invitation - one that you are thrilled to receive.

He's already hired a car

The die is cast - transportation and financial arrangements already in play -  the game is afoot.

someone is going to kill me.... :roll:

Fait accompli - the definite result - not "Someone would kill me if I went", but, "Someone IS GOING to kill me", indicating an acceptance of the inevitable as a result of your impending action.

Anything else you'd like us to carefully re-read? :-D

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on April 20, 2011, 11:55:54 PM
MM

Now all one of us has to say is

I just spoke to.....
And yes, she is going to kill you


As opposed to what I get.
" thank God for that. at last i get the house to myself for four weeks, what day are you coming home, give me some notice so I can rake up the empty cans."

G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: wobblywalrus on April 20, 2011, 11:59:54 PM
Tell your wife "Dear, do you want to go to America with me this winter?  I have booked a romantic flat with a view.  Lots of sun and fresh air."
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on April 21, 2011, 12:18:35 AM
" thank God for that. at last i get the house to myself for four weeks, what day are you coming home, give me some notice so I can rake up the empty cans."

Well trained. :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on April 21, 2011, 11:02:28 AM
ROTFLMAO  :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on April 21, 2011, 11:22:47 AM
Just think about quaffing a few P-38 Porters at the RODGE MAHAL.  :cheers: Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Moxnix on April 21, 2011, 02:34:42 PM
Grumm441, may we ask what the third bike is?  English, by the handrail?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: ben james on April 21, 2011, 06:12:26 PM
if my memory serves me correct, from the left we have a cb1100 super boldor honda,xl? honda & 3rd from left is a cute little 250 yamaha trials bike. hey grumm show them the restored PIZZA GLIDE.
benno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on April 21, 2011, 07:14:15 PM
Moxnix
Yep, English
You're good

Were still waiting for an answer from Goggs
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on April 22, 2011, 01:56:34 AM
Get a couple in the fridge Wayno, :cheers: I'm comin'.

Land LA 10th August, fly out 23rd.......



Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on April 22, 2011, 08:02:47 AM
Get a couple in the fridge Wayno, :cheers: I'm comin'.

Land LA 10th August, fly out 23rd.......




WOO HOO. I'll start a batch today or tomorrow.  :cheers: It'll give us a chance for some music, too.  :lol: Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on April 22, 2011, 08:15:04 AM
WOO HOO. I'll start a batch today or tomorrow.  :cheers: It'll give us a chance for some music, too.  :lol: Wayno

Hey Slim, need some entertainment at Salt Talks?............
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on April 22, 2011, 09:52:00 AM
Well, I'll say yes - with tongue in cheek.  What have you got in mind?  Tippling racers - or Yukon Jack?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on April 22, 2011, 10:26:09 AM
As long as you've got some mud I'm happy to wrestle Wayno.....

Just joshin' , I can reel off a bunch of car songs if you want to keep it topical....

heck, with my rep for send off songs at work I could turn out a number that mentioned the character list from the roster at landracing.com , er, I'm open to bribes.......and I can run pretty fast when I have to.....

Or , if you recall , the one that you liked from a few years back with the tune from Old Macdonald that substituted "had a prop' " for "had a cow/duck/pig etc".....just as long as it's not too long after sunset, I have a feeling this trip will not pass unrefreshed and I have a lot of hands to shake.




Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on April 22, 2011, 10:32:12 AM
I think I can speak for all -- we look forward to seeing you soon.  Come find us at the pit, if no place else.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Moxnix on April 22, 2011, 11:13:21 AM
I'll go with Royal Enfield.

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on April 24, 2011, 10:45:34 PM
I'll go with Royal Enfield.

That' the one.
 
Hey Goggs, what are you going to do for a guitar and PA?
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on April 25, 2011, 07:00:41 PM
Telecaster wise I'm loathe to fly one both ways :roll: so I might have to buy one when I'm there....

PA, dunno yet.


Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on April 25, 2011, 07:43:37 PM
Telecaster wise I'm loathe to fly one both ways :roll: so I might have to buy one when I'm there....
PA, dunno yet.

That's a good idea, although have you run that past the person who is picking you up at the airport
However, Telecasters are like motorbikes
19 isn't enough  :-D
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on April 25, 2011, 08:04:08 PM
"Who are you who are so wise in the ways of Telecasters?"

They ARE made of wood . . .
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on April 25, 2011, 08:12:34 PM
"Who are you who are so wise in the ways of Telecasters?"

They ARE made of wood . . .

Woodeneye

"If wood was any good, you could tig weld it"  (pete smith, Epiccycle)

G

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on April 25, 2011, 08:20:16 PM
"Who are you who are so wise in the ways of Telecasters?"

They ARE made of wood . . .

Woodeneye

"If wood was any good, you could tig weld it"  (pete smith, Epiccycle)

G
Woodeneye, indeeedy,Funny you should mention that c***face , just the other day I decided to make some patterns to cut out a hollow-body with an f-hole of 3mm Aluminium, I'll weld and polish it then give it a little distressing....could be good, might go out in the recycling.... .....God bless Leo's bolt in necks..... She said" put it on the list"....this is the mystical list that includes all of my bright ideas which are listed in order of importance starting with "wedding".....BTW the "buy another Telecaster" idea has had provisional approval , I just have to stay under the "cap" ...that is I have 8, I'll sell the one my nephew is currently using for what I paid for it , that'll buy a better one in O.G land and I get free freight .....let's just say I'll be going in light, coming out heavy.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on April 26, 2011, 07:42:00 AM
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They ARE made of wood . . .
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Woodeneye



G


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Harelip, harelip!
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Nexxussian on April 26, 2011, 11:20:54 AM
I look forward to meeting you all. :)

"Going in light and leaving heavy", I resemble that remark, many a baggage handler has cursed me (indirectly) for that very reason.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on April 26, 2011, 05:41:13 PM
I look forward to meeting you all. :)


You might of met me last year, if you were on a motorcycle.
I was in tech.
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Nexxussian on April 28, 2011, 01:00:15 AM
Didn't make it with our heap last year, had a few medical issues. :(

But we're healed up and ready to go, now we just have to get the car put back together again. ;)

And the tow vehicle.........
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on April 29, 2011, 08:01:09 PM
Didn't make it with our heap last year, had a few medical issues. :(

But we're healed up and ready to go, now we just have to get the car put back together again. ;)

And the tow vehicle.........
Suggested routes

   
      1.
      2 days 10 hours
      Alaska Hwy
      3,073 mi

No one could question your dedication Erik.....
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on April 29, 2011, 08:15:47 PM
Just got word yesterday that there'll be a few more cars going from Australia...one of our faves....

Wayne Pickles' HK Monaro "Marilyn" it ran 217 last year.
(http://s4.photobucket.com/albums/y108/dlra2/2010/speedweek20100309-016.jpg)
(http://s4.photobucket.com/albums/y108/dlra2/2006/speedtrials2006-036.jpg)
(http://s3.photobucket.com/albums/y108/dlra2/2005/speedtrials2005-022.jpg)

and Norm Bradshaw's taxi...499 and a BIG turbo, hasn't seen big speeds yet
(http://s4.photobucket.com/albums/y108/dlra2/2009/speedweek2009-0307-024.jpg)

Norm ran this for years with John Dent
(http://s4.photobucket.com/albums/y108/dlra2/2005/speedtrials2005-092.jpg)

And of course Norm Hardinge will be going back with his black '34 roadster
(http://www.dlra.org.au/profiles/201-01.jpg)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on April 29, 2011, 08:50:02 PM
Mmmmmmm


Monaro


G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: gearheadeh on April 29, 2011, 09:04:52 PM
Just got word yesterday that there'll be a few more cars going from Australia...one of our faves....

Wayne Pickles' HK Monaro "Marilyn" it ran 217 last year.
(http://s4.photobucket.com/albums/y108/dlra2/2010/speedweek20100309-016.jpg)

217 in an old classic looking lump like that.... they are doing a great job of converting hydrocarbons to noise!
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on April 30, 2011, 09:49:27 AM
What's the surface in these photos?  It sure isn't Bonneville salt -- it's way too white and nice-looking. :roll:

We'll look forward to seeing all of you at SpeedWeek.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: penny on April 30, 2011, 09:52:41 AM
Lake Gairdner      D.L.R.A Speedweek 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oieQi_637ow

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on April 30, 2011, 09:51:24 PM
Went to make a start on the parts scrounge for the little tank project yesterday.

After going back to Bill's to get the right key I headed down to one of his "other" yards..
http://maps.google.com.au/maps?q=75+Knight+avenue+North+Sunshine&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=75+Knight+Ave,+Sunshine+North+VIC+3020&gl=au&ei=vru8TcDxOoz8vQPEpIzZBQ&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=title&resnum=1&ved=0CBcQ8gEwAA

Now, this is a dirty part of the world....on the corner of Knight st I notice someone has piled building materials ten feet high for two acres, not landfill per se, more land-stack.......down the street is a Tallow works....anyway in the satellite shot if you can see cars jammed close together, they're probably Bill's......

There are plants , I am sure that only grow in wrecking yards....right next to the little Oxford I was hoping to remove the rear axle from was the original bush that they made the crown of thorns from....it looked as dead as a doornail, but it could not be bent , or snapped off and it had evil inch and a half long spikes all over it....each time I walked past after stomping it or trying to cover it with something it would spring back ...there was a wet slippery patch right next to it ....meanwhile the smell of the dead cat at the gate hung in the very still air....I skun my knuckle on the very first nut I began to loosen.....

At this point I began to look for sensible reasons as to why this ( removing the rear axle)wasn't going to happen as opposed to the mixed up hoodoo ideas that today just wasn't my day,because the signs weren't good...the Oxford was sitting on top of a Renault 10...what the French knew about lightweight monocoque design  was never of interest to the men at Morris, this was plain to see by the way the weight of the Morry had collapsed the Renault to 2/3rds of it's original height , there is more steel in the roof panel of the Morris than the whole Renault body.....

By the time I got to removing the passengers side rear wheel I had my ticket, It was too close to the next car to take off....The way the Morris rocked, the smell ,the thorn bush I just knew if I persisted that there was a greater evil awaiting as soon as I started jacking this piece of finery up and trying to haul the axle out..... I packed up my tools and went back to Bill's...

"Na, I'll have the crane in there on Monday, I'll haul it out, drop it on your truck and you can bring back the remains"

Hmmm, now I am left with the unenviable choice.....the smell, the mud the thornbush and the teetering ton of rust and rot on the unstable Renault...or taking a rotten old Oxford on the tray and parking it the driveway to dismantle. :roll: :roll: :roll:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on May 01, 2011, 02:49:23 AM
Get him to put it on upside down
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on May 01, 2011, 02:59:25 AM
Get him to put it on upside down
G
of course.

Today I changed tack, the earthworks on the rear of the Spirit of Sunshine for the new diff need to begin. As the year progresses there is a gradual decline in the motivation to embark on the big jobs...I figured if it went on long enough we wouldn't start this job because there might be a risk it would not be finished in time. The car won't be going to the lake next year unless we finish the job because as of this afternoon there is no pumpkin left, I chopped it out.
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/P5011458.jpg)

I removed the axles, the brakes and backing plates as one piece and some of the braces that hold the rear floor. I moved the axle stands to a cross-member inside the rear superstructure and took off the pyramid brace for the chute mount. Then I cut the axle tubes just inside the rear legs that hold them. My idea is to have some tube machined as a sliding fit in the original Ford axle tubes and then the other end ( slightly smaller, the whole lot will slide back into the orig' tubes to fit it up))machined to be a hot fit in the ten bolt housing. At this point we haven't looked too closely as to whether there is any difference in the crown wheel line that might mean we have to  have axles made or change the arrangement of the rear superstructure because there isn't much room for the pumpkin to move far either way. We have 28 spline axles that would fit the original diff, we're hoping we can use this new centre with them....I'm still getting my head around what we have to measure and do with those measurements.....There will also be a difference in pinion height ...we only have two inches of tube in our tailshaft.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on May 01, 2011, 06:42:40 AM
Now you have some space, and a saw
Do you think you could cut a hole in that plate so you could get those exhaust link pipes out
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on May 01, 2011, 07:44:23 AM
 :-o now that is committment!!!!!



Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on May 01, 2011, 12:07:50 PM
:-o now that is committment!!!!!
Or a reason to BE committed.

Nothing flinched when you cut out the pumpkin?

My idea is to have some tube machined as a sliding fit in the original Ford axle tubes and then the other end (slightly smaller, the whole lot will slide back into the orig' tubes to fit it up) machined to be a hot fit in the ten bolt housing.

Gosh, maybe I'm just lazy, but you have it torn down this far.  And what you have here is so simple in its design.  I've got to believe replacing to whole housing and re-fabricating the attachment points would be preferable to creating what will be, in the end, a 5 piece axle housing.

They say that there is more than one way to skin a cat, but it does raise the question, "What do you do with a skinned cat?".

My 2 cents - worth maybe half of that.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on May 01, 2011, 05:59:23 PM
a reason to BE committed.

Nothing flinched when you cut out the pumpkin?
Gosh, maybe I'm just lazy, but you have it torn down this far.  And what you have here is so simple in its design.  I've got to believe replacing to whole housing and re-fabricating the attachment points would be preferable to creating what will be, in the end, a 5 piece axle housing.

No it all sat there pretty relaxed.

The car was built on a pretty tight jig and measured up pretty well. We want to keep the Ford axles tubes and I'm not so confident that I think we can nail it as accurately, that is the alignment of the axle tubes.

Worse case scenario we have to build another jig and start from scratch with another rear end housing. That's a little more money and work than it sounds... If this works the way I'm hoping it will have saved a lot of grief.

If it doesn't work we haven't gone in the wrong direction, the old diff had to be cut out, it has no useful hangers anymore so either way it was to be butchered......if we can pull it off this way we'll be at the salt next year ready to rock.

As for being committed , we could split some grammatical hairs here. :wink:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on May 01, 2011, 09:25:17 PM
They say that there is more than one way to skin a cat, but it does raise the question, "What do you do with a skinned cat?".

Well, that depends what your assigned task is.....

I'm not sure whether the phrase "I'm f****** this cat , you're just holding it's head" has international acceptance or not.... :cheers:.

Colonel?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: wobblywalrus on May 02, 2011, 01:01:17 AM
Being a bike guy, I am having a hard time figgering out what you are doing.  The pumpkin is the differential, it seems.  That looked like one of the better parts on the tank.  What is happening to it?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on May 02, 2011, 01:43:40 AM
We are changing the diff from a Borg warner 8&3/4 (2.77:1)to a GM 7&1/2 10 bolt diff.( ratios from 2.73:1 up) However we wish to use Ford axles. We are attempting to change the centre section of the third member.That will allow us to achieve both, it mighten't work, if it does it will save a lot of grief in the alignment and keeping things straight while welding stakes that is the primary reason for avoiding a wholesale swap out which from the outside would seem a lot easier, more practical and above all , sensible.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on May 02, 2011, 04:52:06 AM
We are changing the diff from a Borg warner 8&3/4 (2.77:1)to a GM 7&1/2 10 bolt diff.( ratios from 2.73:1 up) However we wish to use Ford axles. We are attempting to change the centre section of the third member.That will allow us to achieve both, it mighten't work, if it does it will save a lot of grief in the alignment and keeping things straight while welding stakes that is the primary reason for avoiding a wholesale swap out which from the outside would seem a lot easier, more practical and above all , sensible.


The alignment of the rear axles and pumpkin is not as critical in a car that does about 40 miles a year as it would be on a taxi or a daily driver. I think it will work with some custom bits made up so as it can bolt up. The plan is in my head and it's hard to transfer it to paper.
After seeing a guy I worked for modify a borg warner 8.75 to fit in a Datsun 240Z this should be easy.

WW.
Goggles is calling the bit in the middle, the actual differential part in the housing, the pumpkin.

As for who's f#*&^$# this cat...... That's a Sandrewism. I think he came up with that after the famous , "I shot it twice and it got up twice" incident.  He is also our , er major sponsor and owned the aforementioned 240Z with a 350 chev in it
Which reminds me
no, too tacky
G

Oh and I am coming to speed week and BUB. Just have to pick the rental car
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on May 02, 2011, 09:39:49 AM
Graham, Priceline.com make offer at the airport you are flying in to.  Bid low, depending on car size you need, you can always raise your bid 24 hours later.  Last car I got in San Francisco was a full size, $11 a day.  I usually bid for full, premium and luxury andnever raise my bid for the first week, then I go up a buck for a couple of days... and so on.  Where are you flying in to? 
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on May 02, 2011, 08:11:53 PM
I'm flying into LAX and driving up from there
I looked at Priceline but it has issues with out side of the US customers
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: wobblywalrus on May 02, 2011, 08:38:42 PM
Thanks for explaining this.  We will be at BUB, too, on Tues, Wed and Thurs.  Hope to see you there.   
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on May 02, 2011, 08:41:46 PM
I'll miss you Bo as I'll only be at Speedweek but speaking of Priceline Colonel...

http://www.priceline.com.au/

you could do with a little prettying up :wink:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on May 02, 2011, 08:52:17 PM
I'll miss you Bo as I'll only be at Speedweek but speaking of Priceline Colonel...

http://www.priceline.com.au/

you could do with a little prettying up :wink:

You had a look in the mirror lately
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on May 04, 2011, 08:43:04 PM
:-o now that is committment!!!!!

Hey, speaking of ten bolt rears we found an ad for a 2.56:1 R&P set...it had just sold.....you didn't buy it did you Vilhelm?

man, they're hard to find....it went for $89
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on May 05, 2011, 09:31:11 AM
nope and I thought I had been checking all the time :cry:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on May 06, 2011, 12:32:37 AM
nope and I thought I had been checking all the time :cry:

The Reverend has a set search in place , we'll let you know what we're watching and when....it'd be a shame to be bidding against each other .........

I'm going to look up some dirt track forums because those guys are the ones who buy 'em according to the seller of that last one.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: maguromic on May 06, 2011, 01:37:41 AM
Here is set on ebay http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/GM-8-5-8-6-2-56-GEARS-256-Caprice-Roadmaster-Fleetwood-/150595651475?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item2310334793   Tony
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on May 06, 2011, 02:11:29 AM
Close but no cigar... this is an 8.5" set and we want 7.5"...

Thanks for looking though!

Dik
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on May 06, 2011, 02:16:37 AM
That's an 8.5 inch set Tony...we need the 7.5inch

...but let me assure you,

I trust your judgement on rear-ends.........
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on May 08, 2011, 05:56:48 PM
CONTACT!

I found the 2.56 set we're after....apparently they are hot property for the dirt-track crowd and it seems that there are standing orders for them, we've found a guy in Florida who'll put a set aside for us.....

that's nice.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on May 12, 2011, 04:27:25 AM
On Another unrelated matter
If you have a 200mph DLRA License, do you have to go through licensing again at Bonneville?
Anybody?
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on May 12, 2011, 06:41:55 AM
China accepts my driving licence so why shouldn't Utah?

The car on the other hand might need to prove its metal...
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on May 12, 2011, 06:42:44 AM
Yes, you do. You get a one level kick up if you've run at a salt venue before....don't quote me on that......
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on May 12, 2011, 05:51:11 PM
Yep , that's two answers from guys in this hemisphere.
Now all we need is an answer from some one who actually knows
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on May 12, 2011, 06:01:19 PM
China accepts my driving licence so why shouldn't Utah?

I'm biting so hard my tongue is BLEEDING . . . :wink:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on May 12, 2011, 06:05:46 PM
I'm wondering if this means Headgash is in China
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on May 12, 2011, 07:18:24 PM
Yep , that's two answers from guys in this hemisphere.
Now all we need is an answer from some one who actually knows
G

Well, I asked someone who does know, he told me, now I'm telling you......what was the question again?

I'm wondering if this means Headgash is in China
G

He is indeed in China...news to me he has a license.... :roll:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on May 12, 2011, 07:29:05 PM
Not disparaging the Rev's driving skills - it's the nature of the laws in the two provinces I was addressing.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on May 12, 2011, 07:34:45 PM
Actually I am currently in the other hemisphere. Back in your hemisphere on Monday Colonel.

Found and signed a lease on our new office here in the worryingly named World Trade Center. Looking at apartments today and scoping out electric scooters... Colonel: brand advice?

I know it is crazy to ride a scooter in China, the drivers don't just not look for them  they simply ignore them when they see them there and drive right in front of them. They may parp the horn when behind them but that give me the irates more than feel safer. I just want to go from office to home to site and back again. The site is 15 acres itself so a bit of walking to do especially when it is over 30degrees Celsius for most of the year then it snows in winter.

We drove north to the Yangste river yesterday to speak about a project on a massive island in the middle of it in Yangzhou. That is one big river even very far inland...

d
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on May 12, 2011, 07:35:47 PM
Yes, you do. You get a one level kick up if you've run at a salt venue before....don't quote me on that......
I'll try to remember to ask a grown up this weekend.  :-P Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on May 12, 2011, 09:00:27 PM
Yes, you do. You get a one level kick up if you've run at a salt venue before....don't quote me on that......
I'll try to remember to ask a grown up this weekend.  :-P Wayno

Thanks Wayno

Looking at apartments today and scoping out electric scooters... Colonel: brand advice?

d

Don't buy anything Chinese!
No , but really, I don't know much about electric scooters, and my advice would be to walk or drive.
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on May 12, 2011, 09:16:47 PM
Quick highjack:

Graham, for the heck of it I searched online for "car theft capital of Australia" -- and keep seeing Sydney listed.  Maybe the information is dated, though -- it appears to be at lest ten-fifteen years old.  How do I find if Preston really is the capital?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on May 12, 2011, 09:41:30 PM
Quick highjack:

Graham, for the heck of it I searched online for "car theft capital of Australia" -- and keep seeing Sydney listed.  Maybe the information is dated, though -- it appears to be at lest ten-fifteen years old.  How do I find if Preston really is the capital?

hahahah....he has the high Priest of hot-bits living right across the road with her Royal High-Ness the Queen of crack-doom.....

Her Nissan Micra appeared to change color overnight..... his plates migrate from car to car....

It mightent be the Capital , but it's the centre of business..... :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on May 12, 2011, 09:46:25 PM
Quick highjack:

Graham, for the heck of it I searched online for "car theft capital of Australia" -- and keep seeing Sydney listed.  Maybe the information is dated, though -- it appears to be at lest ten-fifteen years old.  How do I find if Preston really is the capital?

Perhaps the capitol has more cars stolen per capita, but they can raise more capital in Sydney with these stolen cars?

Capiche?

 :wink:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on May 12, 2011, 09:59:17 PM
Slim
I have this huge shopping center (mall) near my place which has been in the past linked to the high rate of car theft around here.
However, I might have to change the "car theft capitol thing", because although I haven't moved , it has.
Although it seems that the car theft capitol of my state , Victoria, is now, Sunshine.

Any thoughts Goggles?

G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on May 12, 2011, 11:02:48 PM
fold :cry:

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/sunshine-hot-spot-for-car-thefts/story-e6frf7kx-1111116193417
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on May 13, 2011, 12:20:22 AM
How's that
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on May 13, 2011, 12:37:49 AM
Of the two times I have caught a train to Sunshine, the first time I saw a bashing at the station the second a pushbike being stolen. Better put an extra lock on that garage doctor, the tank might make a good getaway car if someone was thinking of stealing something from a very flat place...
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on May 13, 2011, 02:57:39 AM
So, the plastering is done , now, I'm just watching paint dry
Really!
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on May 17, 2011, 07:08:24 PM
I'm edging ahead on the differential transplant job....

I had a crack at removing the plug welds that hold the axle tubes into the centre housing on the weekend, I am not exactly sure where the material sits on the *GRTOH( generally recognized table of hardness)but it was harder than what they make drill bits out of....I had a certain Colonel suggest cobalt drills....I baulked at the price and anyway I flattened the tip of my centre-punch on it, another suggestion was stellite... but they'll cost me $200 and then I still have to mount the diff centre somewhere on my drill press table and that strikes me as potentially troublesome.

The maintenance man at work Markput me onto a small engineering works out near the airport ...."Yeah, we'll have a look at that, we'll be able to get them out"....so I'm off to see Stephen on Saturday morning. I will take the chunk of hollow bar that I got yesterday which will be used to turn up the inserts which we'll use to slide into the axle tubes and attach the new diff centre . It is 50 ID by 70 OD , it wasn't cheap :-o...

*
1./ Harder than goats knees.
2./ Harder than chinese algebra
3./ Harder than a mother in law's stare
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on May 17, 2011, 08:47:29 PM
As long as it's less than 7, you'll be fine.


*
7./ Harder than the determination of an Aussie salt racer.


 :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: generatorshovel on May 17, 2011, 09:08:41 PM
Doc,
While deciding what material to use for my supercharger drive shaft I ran it past my friendly engineering guru, and to my surprise, he suggested I use a grade 8 bolt,
I asked him if it would machine ok  and yes,,it did, both in the lathe and then drilled and tapped.
Your axle housing must be some pretty weird stuff mate ?
T'fer
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on May 17, 2011, 09:29:30 PM
 I could have a crack at them with a torch but the housing is either grey or graphite iron and will likely let go before the weld . The welds look to be about half an inch dia. and as I said they are so hard that they took the point off a centre punch, I made a well in one with a burr ( so a drill could at least start)but a bit still just felt like it was sitting in a bearing, made heat and made the bit blunt but that was it.

All of the welds have a bubble in the top of them which makes it look like they were very hot and then probably because of the bulk of the housing cooled very quickly and are probably pure martensite.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on May 18, 2011, 12:35:56 AM
we take them out with a torch----leaves room for BIG rosett welds  :-D  thought about trying a hole saw!!!
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: wobblywalrus on May 18, 2011, 12:37:20 AM
A stone bit in an angle grinder?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on May 18, 2011, 01:09:09 AM
we take them out with a torch----leaves room for BIG rosett welds  :-D  thought about trying a hole saw!!!

I was standing there with my set of hole saws......and thought hmm , nah...... pretty hard to wrangle one of those without a guide bit in it....

I figure annealing them and drilling or a torch is probably going to be the final chapter in this short but thrilling story.........

I need to get the insert pieces turned and so I'm going to take it all to the above mentioned workshop and see what they reckon.....

A stone bit in an angle grinder?

anything that is small enough to get to them doesn't have enough edge speed to do anything, except the die grinder and with the amount of progress it made I estimated the entire job to take about 3 infinitys........

I'm pretty sure Sparky will get the biscuit on this one, for cryin' out loud he's done it before.......

So, Bill do you run a shrink weld around the inside of the tube after you blow the the plug welds out or what????

c'mon give over.. :roll:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Rex Schimmer on May 18, 2011, 08:59:56 AM
I like Sparky's hole saw idea but you would need to do it on a mill that way you can clamp the housing to the mill table and then you will not need a guide drill on the hole saw. I would think that a hole saw that is somewhat larger in dia than the factory weld should be out side the heat affected zone and the material might not be diamond hard. I know you guys are probably like me and don't "just happen" to have a mill standing in the corner of your shop. Maybe if you have a "Jigajoint" cutter set up for doing tubing ends you could "adapt" it to work on your housing. I also like the "blue wrench" method but it is messy.

As the saying goes: "If it was easy ever (insert your favorite minority here) would be doing it"!!

Rex
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on May 18, 2011, 10:07:27 AM
When we took the tubes out of the Caddy 10-12 we tried several things.  But the way we got them out was to cut the plugs out and rotate the housing with a 36" pipe wrench to make sure that it was all out then cut the tube off flush, then carefully cut it out of the housing. inserted the new tubes and allinged the new tubes. We hard tacked the out side with 3 welds but did not weld insided at all for this was a frt driving axle and we need to be able to install an inner seal.  we are now working on another that we will tack inside and out before we reweld plugs completely
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on May 18, 2011, 05:50:08 PM
When we took the tubes out of the Caddy 10-12 we tried several things.  But the way we got them out was to cut the plugs out and rotate the housing with a 36" pipe wrench to make sure that it was all out then cut the tube off flush,

Had the angle grinder not been making such a racket I might well have heard the little voice in my head saying " nay laddy! dooon't cut the toooobs off yet".....

As it stands they are cut off flush, I'll report back on Saturday with what I hope is a successful extraction........
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: maj on May 18, 2011, 06:24:05 PM
Yeah a bit late once cut, 
for removing the shaft from a PTO coupler we weld a chunk of steel to the shaft then drive it out with a big hammer.
is there a step on the inside ?, could it be pressed in ?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on May 18, 2011, 06:48:33 PM
Majs idea is workable-- we  made a crude version of a cam brg tool-- insert a big bar from the other side, get a BIG sledge and bang away on the "slotted remains"
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: gidge348 on May 18, 2011, 11:22:24 PM
If you are having problems drilling anything a trick I learnt from an old engineer is to get a masonary bit....

(yes masonary as in concrete) and then grind a face on the bit.

I do not know what they make those tips out of but I guarantee it will drill through anything.....

Regards

ian...
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Peter Jack on May 19, 2011, 12:17:13 AM
If you decide to use a torch, why don't you find someone with a plasma cutter instead. It would do a much nicer job.

Pete
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on May 19, 2011, 12:45:19 AM
If you are having problems drilling anything a trick I learnt from an old engineer is to get a masonary bit....

(yes masonary as in concrete) and then grind a face on the bit.

I do not know what they make those tips out of but I guarantee it will drill through anything.....

Regards

ian...

Stellite probably..Rockwell C 60-62 hardness even into the "red" range so it works by heating the job til it softens...that's what the little piece is in the tip of the masonry bit......it's a lot cheaper than a stellite drill

If you decide to use a torch, why don't you find someone with a plasma cutter instead. It would do a much nicer job.

Pete

That's what I'm taking it to the engineers shop for, convenience and neatness..............The Colonel has a plasma cutter, but it wouldn't touch that sort of thickness, maybe the shop does ..
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on May 21, 2011, 02:25:47 AM
Went to the machine shop, no worries ! on the way out I see what looks like 2/3rds of a car...." what are you doing with that?"........"Oh I wish it'd go to the tip, it's the boss's"...

"er how much does he want for it?"

to cut a long story short I drove home( seeings how I just happened to be in a TOW-TRUCK) with a Ford Prefect missing the firewall and front bodywork back to the middle of the roof

$300.... :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/P5210007.jpg)

Just to refresh the memory We have this sitting in my back yard....

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/P5210013.jpg)

I was going to use a Prefect front end....this one has everything...

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/P5210008.jpg)

and a tiny little diff.....

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/P5210010.jpg)

Except for the odd nut and bolt It's complete from the floor down.....So....I have the front end needed for the little rust racer, the rear end , four wheels, suspension ,steering , brakes( yes cable brakes).....

The original idea was to build a small tube chassis......hmmmm, but now I have one I can narrow a lot and shorten a little....check out the cute little steering box.

(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/509%20Dukes%20Road%20stuff/P5210014-1.jpg)

you'll notice Colonel that is the horn wire appearing at the end of the steering column........you could have taken that CB radio you've been harassing me about too. :roll:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on May 21, 2011, 09:04:32 AM

you could have taken that CB radio you've been  me about too. :roll:


And for the record, I had not been harassing you about the cb radio
I asked you to take it out of the truck so it wouldn't get stolen , although I doubt it even made it into the truck
I have however been harassing you about this
(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc28/grumm441/Dsc_1166.jpg) :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on May 21, 2011, 10:06:57 AM
whoops  :? a "his & hers" 8-)  or a "his & his" :roll:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on May 21, 2011, 10:29:08 AM
whoops  :? a "his & hers" 8-)  or a "his & his" :roll:

Sparky
I'll take this opportunity to quote Wayno
Sure it's out of context, and edited, however ....

I'll try to remember to ask a grown up this weekend.  :-P Wayno

G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Tman on May 21, 2011, 11:51:23 AM
That will make a good little tank!
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on May 21, 2011, 07:34:26 PM
Should be fun thing
the only problem being, if it's a single seater, and you want to give anyone a ride, you have to let them drive it
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on May 21, 2011, 08:24:18 PM
Should be fun thing
the only problem being, if it's a single seater, and you want to give anyone a ride, you have to let them drive it
G


I shouldn't spoil the surprise but I'm going to build a little trailer to tow you around in.

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_MU3UDjuwZqM/S0CjNQ4vxzI/AAAAAAAABLw/1zjp1qZhhDM/s320/Saturday,+January+02,+2010+(21).jpg)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on May 21, 2011, 10:49:45 PM
Yee ha
A hayride
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Freud on May 21, 2011, 10:53:26 PM
Do you plan to sober up before you come to Speed Week?

FREUD
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: bvillercr on May 21, 2011, 11:31:16 PM
Nice looking motor, there's no monkeying around with that. :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on May 22, 2011, 12:04:44 AM
Do you plan to sober up before you come to Speed Week?

FREUD

No
I had no plans to

Oh you mean Goggles
Now you have those tough .08 laws, it might be a good idea

G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on May 22, 2011, 07:03:40 PM
Some info on the Australian Ford Prefect for those interested: (The following is from http://ford-popular.com/)

Ford Motor Company of Dagenham designed the 10hp 7W car for launch in March 1937, of a style and design which to which the new motor user was to become very attached, and where Ford parted from vehicle model designation of identifying letters and numbers to name it the 'Prefect'. To the motoring public it became the 'Ford Pop' or 'sit up and beg' Ford.

The 7W Ten used the 10hp 1172cc side valve engine, on a 94" wheel base chassis, continuing the proven layout of transverse front and rear spring with torque tube. The 7W was offered in both 2 door with 4 light (side windows) and 4 door (6 light) form, all with deluxe features, fold down boot panel and removable spare wheel locker lid, opening windscreen etc.

The frontal and side aspect of this model was not dissimilar to the more basic 7Y model offered later with 8hp engine. However the launch of the Prefect E93A in 1939 showed many differences. Gone was the sloping front cowl to be replaced by a V shaped radiator grill, the centre hinged bonnet gave way to the 'alligator' type bonnet of one piece hinged at the rear. From now on the Ford Prefect was only offered in 4 door (6 light) saloon form on the home market, as it continued until it's demise.

There were variants of tourer and van, these were offered only for the export market. The Australian market, at this time assembling knock down kits and part builds at the Geelong assembly plant, had additional models of E03A produced 1939 to 1945 and A53A produced 1946 to 1948 in car and van form, these were exclusive to their own market.

In 1948 the Ford Prefect E493A was given another slight make over externally, replacing the previous free standing headlamps to those set into the front wing. Over the production period of the Ford Prefect 'upright' which finished in 1953, the vehicle remained virtually unchanged, there were slight alterations, a swage line here, a badge change, interior detail changes etc, but it retained rubber running boards throughout the production when other manufacturers had radical style changes. Ford replaced it with the Ford 100E Prefect at the end of 1953, but the success of the 10hp Ford Prefect E93A and E493A together with the export variants achieved a production build of 320,336 units. This in itself was an achievement which Ford could have been proud of.

The fledgling motoring public took the Ford Prefect to heart, the cars served well, enabling those days of 'happy motoring' to be enjoyed by the masses, a true family car, one of the Ford family. These vehicles are still worth preserving, capable of giving good reliable service. Do not be in a rush, they are not a sports car, custodians of survivors get great pleasure and enjoyment from using these vehicles which are very capable of normal motoring use at a very comfortable speed. The 10hp 1172cc Ford Prefect restorer or repairer is able to obtain most items required for continued use and maintenance from specialist mail order spare parts suppliers, who are able to ship world wide. further details please click here.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on May 22, 2011, 07:12:06 PM
Wait a minute.... Its a Ford!!!

What kind of confused bi-brand kid are you? This is Australia mate, and it is either Ford OR Holden, as George would say, you are either with us or against us ( :roll:).

Any way, that lunatic rant aside, I too have some ideas about how to do this and I think your idea of using rails is on the money, but maybe not the existing ones...

Here are the dimensions of the frame anyway, I can model her up in no time to test various ideas. Just need dimensions of the tank!

You still haven't answered my question... is this to be a racing tank or Belly tank lite?


Reverend H+
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on May 22, 2011, 07:23:58 PM
Quote
The fledgling motoring public took the Ford Prefect to heart, the cars served well, enabling those days of 'happy motoring' to be enjoyed by the masses, a true family car, one of the Ford family. These vehicles are still worth preserving, capable of giving good reliable service

Only in the colonies could "days of happy motoring" be achieved in a family car with 10hp
I suppose that is because it would take days to get anywhere
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on May 22, 2011, 07:49:26 PM
Do not be in a rush, they are not a sports car...

I don't think goggles read this bit.

d
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on May 22, 2011, 08:32:44 PM
I sent you a text yesterday saying ...."I'm not building another race car anytime soon"....... This will be a back in the day job....narrow the chassis after lopping it fore and aft of the transverse spring mounts......it's ten inches longer than it needs to be, I can narrow most of the cross members......box the frame rails in .

The main approach is to build it for Chopped and it's eighth mile dirt drag......I figure we get it running with the 250 twin and then go looking for something with a little more stick like a Firestorm/Superhawk.

It's busy at the SOS Possum Park and Bellytank workshop this week but I'll try and get some measurements from the SeaFury tank this week....

I drilled the rivets out of the middle three crossmembers ...the body is welded onto the chassis at the back but I'll soon have it off...
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/P5220018.jpg)

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/P5220015.jpg)

You know those flat wrecking bars that have a claw at each end...and a sticker that says "do not strike, wear protective goggles" ...yeah well that's sensible advice ...I dunno where one end of mine went when I was using it to pry the body off the chassis rails and giving it some help with a ball-pein...there's two inches missing , no sign of it.... :-o
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on May 22, 2011, 09:07:15 PM
I dunno where one end of mine went when I was using it to pry the body off the chassis rails and giving it some help with a ball-pein...there's two inches missing , no sign of it.... :-o

You are going to be one of those guys in the news 20 years from now who has their head X-rayed and they find the reason for your 20 years of headaches due to a rusting 2" piece of metal lodged in your brain somewhere behind your eye...

Check now for any sticky bits on your head that could in fact be an entry wound.

Phone flat yesterday as I was, got some crappy cold that makes me feel like I've smoke 20 rollies without any filters.

Given this is steel what say we cut it in half first so we know excatly what we are playing with? This one is too small to waste any millimetres on the interior.

I can come around this weekend with a big sheet of paper so we can get an acurate measure regardless.

rH+
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on May 22, 2011, 09:16:36 PM
PS this is one of my fave small tanks...

 "The Lady Bug", built by Fred Lobello, Benson, Vesco and Dinkians of San Diego, California.

Then of course there is Wazavoodoo (where is it now?)

If it is the non racing variety then we need to think of comfort...

Its hot out theree so some shade in the form of a roof or how about airco? A fridge for the beer, and you need to be able to transport stuff with it so the trailer might be a great idea too.

What else... cb radio... um...

dik
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on May 22, 2011, 09:27:04 PM
Quote
I can come around this weekend with a big sheet of paper so we can get an acurate measure regardless.

Yes.That will nail it. Have the sawzall of death too now....

Can't find any OBVIOUS entry wound.....I might pee it out , or cough it up..... was a memorable day for hand injuries...swollen finger, couple of hot angry little cuts , a burn. Nothing got mangled in the dismantlement but I do have to get it stripped down and off the truck hopefully sneak it into the back yard behind the shed out of eyesight or at least where it can't be seen from the kitchen and regarded as an eyesore


I spoke to Wayne Mumford a month or so ago. He bought Russell out and has remotored the tank with a 2litre Toyota which has been "built".......he's been having a little rest from the DLRA but has built a trailer and will be there next year, it'll go fast.

A little research of the registration laws may be enlightening as all we are doing is changing the body style and changing the motor to a smaller one.....Colonel , any thoughts? If we can get a provisional permit as a historic we CAN take it to Gairdner, but the main idea is to go to the Chopped Show...........
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on May 22, 2011, 09:43:26 PM
For those wondering, this is the Waza-Vudu in it's early incarnation...

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v316/DrewfusDesigns/SaltStuff/vudu002.jpg)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on May 22, 2011, 10:43:27 PM


A little research of the registration laws may be enlightening as all we are doing is changing the body style and changing the motor to a smaller one.....Colonel , any thoughts? If we can get a provisional permit as a historic we CAN take it to Gairdner, but the main idea is to go to the Chopped Show...........


(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc28/grumm441/374/Ha.jpg)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: salt27 on May 23, 2011, 12:27:24 AM
You know those flat wrecking bars that have a claw at each end...and a sticker that says "do not strike, wear protective goggles" ...yeah well that's sensible advice ...I dunno where one end of mine went when I was using it to pry the body off the chassis rails and giving it some help with a ball-pein...there's two inches missing , no sign of it.... :-o
[/quote]
That explains the hole in my windshield.
Please PM billing address. :x

Don
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on May 23, 2011, 12:55:05 AM
...I dunno where one end of mine went when I was using it to pry the body off the chassis rails and giving it some help with a ball-pein...there's two inches missing , no sign of it.... :-o

This didn't occur on the 21st, did it?  You may be the only witness to the prophecy.

Naaah, it's probably in the yard, lying in wait for you lawn mower.

Wait a minute.... Its a Ford!!!

What kind of confused bi-brand kid are you? This is Australia mate, and it is either Ford OR Holden, as George would say, you are either with us or against us ( :roll:).

Rev, it goes WAY beyond the Holden/Ford thing.

We're talking a British Designed Ford.

It's a sad and twisted path.  Mark my words, before the end of the decade, he'll be looking at Studebakers . . .
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on May 23, 2011, 01:37:39 AM
That explains the hole in my windshield.
Please PM billing address. :x
Don

Naaah, it's probably in the yard, lying in wait for you lawn mower.

See Don I'm figuring it flicked over my back fence where my neighbour ran over it with his mower putting it into an unstable orbit, from there it re-entered the atmosphere somewhere over the NW coast of the US....and you know the rest..... I'll get his details...

At least that's what I'm hoping happened, otherwise it's gonna end up in my shin sooner rather than later

On another front the engineering shop called and said they got the axle tubes out of the differential housing....broke several tools before they were blown out with a torch...the guy who did it said "apparently there is a high nickel content in those housings and they alloy the weld, that was some seriously hard shit"....
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on May 23, 2011, 09:24:46 AM
S-H-S---that was our experience :-P
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on May 23, 2011, 08:07:09 PM
I was just looking at WW's build dairy


Type "stress concentration" into Google or another search engine and all sorts of interesting material pops up. .

It just reminded me of  three guys standing around a half assembled belly tank on a Thursday afternoon in March
I'm sure I saw some one with a camera
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on May 23, 2011, 09:13:12 PM
Hey you're the one with the I-fangle-phone.....

Anyway ,what brought that up?

Mr Watters( Maj to those on landracing.com) called me last night wondering whether we were taking the tank to the US this year....you know the answer. I'll miss him as he arrives two days before I leave ....you'll see him at WOS though.....

I'm going out to talk with the machine shop about the diff centre at lunch time...I have a piece of the Ford tube, the bar is there so we should have it all organised by the end of the week.

Looks like Saturday is the go for the measure up and executive staring session at the Prefect and tank.

Hey Colonel I'm going to ask the guy I got the Defect from for the old rego papers, then I can get an unroadworthy vehicle permit for it........
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on May 23, 2011, 11:20:04 PM
So, I go out to the machine shop......The differential housing job is no big deal....."So" I ask him, "what were you using the body off the Prefect for?".......well may you ask.......

He has a Coventry F1 motor ,a Hewland and a bunch of other race grade suspension and brakes ,he's building what will be a late sixties F1 car in a Prefect body.......

Needless to say we got on like a house on fire.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on May 23, 2011, 11:24:58 PM
Huh? For street use or for racing?

Hope he gives a fellow madman discount...
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on May 24, 2011, 12:32:40 AM
Hey Colonel I'm going to ask the guy I got the Defect from for the old rego papers, then I can get an unroadworthy vehicle permit for it........

permit to permit . . . 

 :?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: wobblywalrus on May 24, 2011, 12:40:13 AM
Do your wives know the full and complete story about this budding project?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on May 24, 2011, 12:49:32 AM
My Girl, who should be in Milan about now, just looks at my small, but full, Garage and shakes her head
No words are necessary
However, she was very pleased when the Austin truck and the Fiat 850 left last week
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on May 24, 2011, 01:24:38 AM
Hey Colonel I'm going to ask the guy I got the Defect from for the old rego papers, then I can get an unroadworthy vehicle permit for it........

permit to permit . . . 

 :?
You can get a permit to drive an unregistered car here, on our own undertaking it needs to be "safe to drive".....You can't drive anything on the lake unless it is registered or scrutineered......seeings how it will be the rolling stock of a previously registered car I figure with the chassis number I can find the registration file , then get a permit for it.....then it can be driven on the salt.........dare to dream....

Do your wives know the full and complete story about this budding project?

Ships and lips Bo....... :roll:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Drewfus on May 24, 2011, 05:58:14 AM
What sort of diameter is that little tank?

Ships and lips Bo....... :roll:

Speaking of 'shiplips', next time you're talking to Wayne, can you tell him to give me a buzz, been a long time no hear..... :wink: :-D

Cheers,

Drewfus
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on May 24, 2011, 06:59:40 PM
You can get a permit to drive an unregistered car here, on our own undertaking it needs to be "safe to drive".....You can't drive anything on the lake unless it is registered or scrutineered......seeings how it will be the rolling stock of a previously registered car I figure with the chassis number I can find the registration file , then get a permit for it.....then it can be driven on the salt.........dare to dream....

Got it - a "work around".  :cheers:

Still, some sort of official permit declaring a vehicle to be "unroadworthy", but grants permission to operate it is absolutely hilarious.  That's a badge I would wear with honor. :wink:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on May 24, 2011, 07:11:02 PM
What sort of diameter is that little tank?
I think it's about 600mm (2 feet 2 for the metrically challenged)

next time you're talking to Wayne, can you tell him to give me a buzz, been a long time no hear..... :wink: :-D
CheersDrewfus

Will do......

,
You can get a permit to drive an unregistered car here, on our own undertaking it needs to be "safe to drive".....You can't drive anything on the lake unless it is registered or scrutineered......seeings how it will be the rolling stock of a previously registered car I figure with the chassis number I can find the registration file , then get a permit for it.....then it can be driven on the salt.........dare to dream....

Got it - a "work around".  :cheers:

Still, some sort of official permit declaring a vehicle to be "unroadworthy", but grants permission to operate it is absolutely hilarious.  That's a badge I would wear with honor. :wink:

no luck yesterday on any old paperwork from the prev owner....but it's not over yet......On more pressing issues I got a drawing from the Rev last night , this thing is a  goer.....
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on May 24, 2011, 07:47:21 PM
This small was removed from a lake in Canberra and is said to be the type used for Spitfires, Sea Fury’s, Mustangs and Boomerangs as they were made to be interchangeable.

We don't therefore know any history of the actual plane or how it got to be there and was probably dropped from a training plane of one of this type. When? No idea. If during WW2 then I would have thought it would have more rust damage but who knows? I can't imagine them training too much with them after this date though.

reverend H+
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on May 25, 2011, 01:06:34 AM

Quote from: Dr Goggles
You can get a permit to drive an unregistered car here, on our own undertaking it needs to be "safe to drive".....You can't drive anything on the lake unless it is registered or scrutineered......seeings how it will be the rolling stock of a previously registered car I figure with the chassis number I can find the registration file , then get a permit for it.....then it can be driven on the salt.........dare to dream....
Quote from: Milwaukee Midget
Still, some sort of official permit declaring a vehicle to be "unroadworthy", but grants permission to operate it is absolutely hilarious.  That's a badge I would wear with honor. :wink:
Quote from: Dr Goggles
no luck yesterday on any old paperwork from the prev owner....but it's not over yet...

You don't need paperwork or reciepts, just numbers
Anything on an unregistered vehicle permit has to be "safe to drive on the road"
That means functioning lights
The only person who can drive a vehicle that is un-roadworthy  on the road is a licensed vehicle tester and even then, it is only after it has been made roadworthy.
G

http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/Home/Registration/PermitsModificationsAndDefects/UnregisteredVehiclePermit.htm
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on May 25, 2011, 01:12:11 AM
My mother in law was a regional area nurse in outback Australia. Although she was often the first on the scene for major trauma accidents she wasn't allowed by law to give the drugs that would often be required to save patients lives as she was "only a nurse". She found out though that ship's captains were allowed to give the drugs so she did a ship's captain's course and bingo, problem solved.

How do Stewie and I become licensed vehicle testers?


I am thinking it easier to make it scrutineerable as a racecar...

Aren't you a licensed vehicle tester?

rH+
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on May 25, 2011, 01:15:40 AM
Aren't you as licensed vehicle tester?

rH+

Yes I am
And it's nice of you to build a little tank just for me but I will probably take a motor cycle
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on May 25, 2011, 01:17:43 AM
Do your wives know the full and complete story about this budding project?

She does and is Ok with it as I described it as " Stewie has bought another car to turn that other belly tank into something drivable."

Hopefully that will kind of be all that is required.

dik
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on May 29, 2011, 12:21:58 AM
So we started on the new project
Two things came to mind
Never turn your back on Dr Goggles
And I am starting to regret giving Dr Goggles that fire extinguisher
G
(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc28/grumm441/P5280033.jpg)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on May 29, 2011, 12:36:31 AM
Grummy - I didn't know you were making a sidecar.  :wink:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on May 29, 2011, 12:43:49 AM
Why would I make a sidecar when I already have one
(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc28/grumm441/GraChair.jpg)
No this is some thing very different
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: wobblywalrus on May 29, 2011, 01:33:07 AM
It is small.  A very tight fit for a race car but great for a large barbecue.  That stand is just right.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on May 29, 2011, 07:57:29 AM
No this is some thing very different
G

Indeed.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Captthundarr on May 29, 2011, 08:54:50 AM
For the size of that booger he should be able to strap it to his belly quite nicely. :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on May 29, 2011, 09:16:10 AM
I think they're reinventing the wheel -

http://www.shrinerminicars.com/Tanker.html

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on May 29, 2011, 05:53:12 PM
MM...calling things small....and he had the cheek to send me this..
(http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/fiction/music/frankenchrist.jpg)

Now, Colonel I distinctly remember you saying'

"I'm going to use this leaky old propane torch turned up to full-whack to melt the solder join, you man the extinguisher, when I nod my head , you squirt it ok?"
(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc28/grumm441/P5280033.jpg)

and when I squirted you through the toilet window that was just a accidental mis-firing and it was the Reverends idea.......
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on May 29, 2011, 06:14:56 PM
Quote from: Dr Goggles

and when I squirted you through the toilet window that was just a accidental mis-firing and it was the Reverends idea.......



So are you saying I should have tested the rest of the extinguisher on the Rev and not you?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on May 29, 2011, 10:33:29 PM
Ahh, shucks - I'm just jealous - the way my suppliers are acting, you'll probably be rolling before I am. 

And you'll probably have more head room.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on May 29, 2011, 10:37:48 PM
MM, you forgot go faster  :evil:

Hey it's their thread.... I won't bad mouth you too much on your own thread  :roll:
 :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on May 29, 2011, 11:18:20 PM
OK, enough of the jocularity and hilarity.

On Sat there was a pow-wow at the Spirit of Sunshine Bellytank Workshop and Possum Park, all the big names were there. After last weekends buy of the Ford Prefect there was a surge of enthusiasm about the "little" tank ..... The Rev is in the country for a few short weeks before loading the wagon and taking the good Lady Hedgash and their wee one Von Pomborneit to China, The Colonel is at a loose end as his test driver and resident nightowl tears it up in Venice . So we got together for a collective chin rub over the parts that we hope to merge into one .

Compared to the Canberra tank that the Spirit of Sunshine is made from it was a fairly simple process to drill out the copper rivets and then release the solder join with a propane torch......Steel?, copper?, solder?   this thing was like it came from the mid 19th century compared to the Canberra tank which was like a spaceship inside with it's pressed al bulkeads, adhesives and liberal use of titanium.

The Rev rolled out a piece of plan paper and took an outline drawing of one half of the tank, from there he'll be able to generate a 3d model in CAD and the styling process can begin.

Then our attention turned to the Prefect. We removed the torque tube and then  lifted the motor out we lopped of the rear legs of the chassis behind the rear spring perch and dropped the body off,I'd be surprised if the whole chassis, suspension , steering and wheels weighed more than 250lbs, I could easily lift the front .....we rolled it off the truck and out into the back yard.

We discussed the various options we have motor wise, whether we'd be better to connect the secondary drive of a bike engine to the diff via a tailshaft or whether we centralize it and use another chain.

We looked at the chassis itself and saw that the rails may be more use to us turned front to back. There was discussion as to whether we could run the rails outsidethe tank body.......there's a lot yet to be settled upon.

Yesterday I managed to secret the rolling chassis behind the shed, start drawing Rev.

Now on the real topic of this thread is Australian Bellytank. I collected the differential housing and the insert peieces that were turned up for us.Bar one minor hiccup ( both inserts have a step to stop them going too far into the housing, we'll need to remove one to give us enough back and forward movement to assemble it all in-situ)it looks like it will all go together but I will need to make up a puller that will allow us to pull the inserts into the axle tubes as they are ever so slighty oval and the inserts need a little encouragement , the inserts are a warm fit into the housing.......I think we have another appt with the propane torch and the extinguisher Grumm. :wink:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on May 30, 2011, 04:18:53 AM
you nod your head
and I'll hit it


anyhow
I just got home from one of my part time jobs
I work occasionally here, and occasionally there
The workshop I was at today works on an odd mix of bikes. Italian and English
Second job in the morning after pushing the bikes out, clean the oil off the concrete
So today I serviced a fly by wire bike, and then got stuck into a HRD
V twin engines lying around everywhere
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Sideshow on June 04, 2011, 06:29:33 AM
Phew :-o Now that was a mission! 126 pages. At least 2 weeks, at times I couldn't concentate at work and the boys got the shits with me not helping out! Couldn't get away from the thread. An inspirational read, with highs, lows, and high highs! Now I blame you blokes as well as Rob for my new found addiction! Must get to the salt, must get to the salt... Did I say INSPIRATIONAL yet???
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on June 05, 2011, 02:23:02 AM
Blinkin' 'eck! two weeks!...........do your lips move when you read???.....nah just kidding Sideshow, thanks for the attention, you can thank your lucky stars that we started the diary when the car was two thirds built.....we spent nearly two years mucking around before we started the thing proper.....The very first photo shows the car with some body work sitting on it and the front of the build jig already cut away.........We'd been at it for about eight months I think by that time,up to four solid days a week.....

I couldn't do quite what we did again, I doubt that any of us could.

It was therapeutic and we made some great friends and learnt a whole lot of stuff.

Welcome to the forum.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: wobblywalrus on June 05, 2011, 01:24:42 PM
What you say is what I feel, too.  I would not have started my build if I knew it would take five years to go over 130 mph.  At the same time, I have no regrets.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on June 05, 2011, 07:13:41 PM
Thanks for perservering all the way through Sideshow (Bob?). There is a lot of off topic gumpf in the topic but it is a diary and we reckon it means just that. Ups, downs, whats going on as well as the build of our tank. I feel bad for not putting more tech stuff in it and shall endeavour to try to continue the explanatory stuff of why we did something a certain way (whether it is right or wrong you be the judge).

I am glad you are inspired and not put off. If there is a greatest reward for this project it is not just the satisfaction of building the old girl in our trilogy of design; fast-safe-beautiful, but rather the hope it gives others to get motivated.

If a musician and a puppeteer/architect can build one, then you can too. No special budget, no racing family. Just time and commitment.

When I was single, going over to stew's most weekends was easy. Now I'm a dad with a cattle farm and regularly going to China for work, finding those weekends are very hard which is very sad as a lot more effort has been put on Dr G's and the Colonel's shoulders (which I thank them for greatly for keeping the project moving). The one saving grace is that most of the work in the past year has been engine work which I am not much use for (but am learning) .

So Sideshow, find a friend and start dreaming. How fast do you want to go? (My suggestion is that there are some soft records out there for the smaller classes. Cheaper, safer and easier to get to...)

Dik
aka rH+
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on June 05, 2011, 10:19:03 PM
Am I cursed?

Why did I tell anyone I was going to Bonneville for Speedweek?


There seems to be nothing about the lake condition yet.............

A little bird just told me there is a very heavy snow load on the surrounding mountains.....and that the lake is still underwater , is there any perspective from those who went through the 82 ,83 cancellations who can offer me a price on a blow-out? 10/1....20/1???????


It'd be four out of six meets in five years for me. :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:



Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Tman on June 05, 2011, 10:24:54 PM
In the West our wet winters are often followed byu dry summers. Keep the faith my good man.  :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Buickguy3 on June 05, 2011, 11:08:53 PM
  I'm with you. Maybe it's time to ask for a current Salt report. I think that the big weather anomolies are over for the time being, but maybe somebody should make an educated prognostication. How deep is the fucking water????????????????????????  :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Doug
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Tman on June 05, 2011, 11:37:23 PM
I think Glen said in the chat last week it was 6" deep
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on June 06, 2011, 12:40:09 AM
Feeling a tad starcrossed, eh?

We're still better than two months out from Speedweek.  It gets pretty hot, and the norm, the mean, the average nature of the place in June and July is one of aridity.  Like the DLRA, SCTA-BNI won't cancel unless absolutely necessary, and it's likely to be late in the game.  But if the mid term weather events play out poorly, or start to look like the early eighties, I suspect it'll be pretty clear what's up before you have to hop a plane.

Tman's observations are likely right . . . 

"Summer will be drier than normal, with near-normal temperatures, on average. The hottest periods will be in late July and mid-August.

September and October will be slightly drier than normal, with near-normal temperatures."


http://www.almanac.com/weather/longrange/zipcode/84083





Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: maj on June 06, 2011, 09:32:34 AM
Well thats at least some good news, I believe several Aussie cars are not making the trip across the water now as they think its too risky , there timetable would require them to be on the boat within the next few weeks to make Speedweek. Were continuing with our plans to ship the bikes mid July for later meets.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Andy Cooke on June 07, 2011, 04:29:12 AM
I see that the Prefect has a damper conversion, if you're not using the suspension it might fetch a couple of £ on ebay.  I recall Ballamy did one, but that may be a false memory...
Andy
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: PJQ on June 07, 2011, 08:50:15 AM
day or two late for the nostalgia posts, oh well... "Memories..."
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-K7knXmRdbb4/Te4c12qOWgI/AAAAAAAAAlY/9pPsTonUcao/s800/Model.jpg)
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-fDTj5b0_Ap8/Te4c1z1u-MI/AAAAAAAAAlc/pMhXp5khdX0/s800/Goggles.jpg)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on June 07, 2011, 10:06:00 PM
  I'm with you. Maybe it's time to ask for a current Salt report. I think that the big weather anomolies are over for the time being, but maybe somebody should make an educated prognostication. How deep is the fucking water????????????????????????  :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Doug

....it's colddddd and deeeeep man..... :wink: oldie but a goodie.

I see that the Prefect has a damper conversion, if you're not using the suspension it might fetch a couple of £ on ebay.  I recall Ballamy did one, but that may be a false memory...
Andy

Hi Andy,
I'll have to come straight out and confess that we are going to chop that chassis up.

At the moment it looks like we might reverse the rails and shorten the wheelbase about 25%. We will be using the suspension but we are as yet undecided as to how we will ...there is a chance we might use the front end "suicide" style by shifting the spring behind the axle.That would allowus to put the spring through the nose of the tank and hang the rest out in front of it.......the cable brakes are very handy for what we're going to do.......we'll be using a lot of motorbike controls, hand clutch on the gearshift lever, hand actuated brake ironically with a hydraulic piston working the cable set up.......

The baby is in the Reverends more than capable hands and I am very much looking forward to seeing what he comes up with ......just in case yous were a wondering...
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-K7knXmRdbb4/Te4c12qOWgI/AAAAAAAAAlY/9pPsTonUcao/s800/Model.jpg)
This is the model we had in 1:5 scale sitting on the line in 2005 ......
Title: Re: Australian Hybrid racing
Post by: Dr Goggles on June 08, 2011, 07:33:23 PM
Pure excitement....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meEIIjt6R2o
Title: Re: Australian Hybrid racing
Post by: Drewfus on June 10, 2011, 07:38:24 AM
Pure excitement....


Sorry Dr.....your spelling suck's (sux) :wink: :-D

It's spelt excrement

Cheers,

Drewfus :-D

P.S. was thinking about this little tank project, why don't you just stick a motorbike engine inside the tank, driving the rear wheels, and make the lid(top) with a small seat to straddle (like a horse), with little bike handles protruding discretely to hang onto/steer with? In other words, sit on it, not in it?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on June 10, 2011, 08:02:26 PM

P.S. was thinking about this little tank project, why don't you just stick a motorbike engine inside the tank, driving the rear wheels, and make the lid(top) with a small seat to straddle (like a horse), with little bike handles protruding discretely to hang onto/steer with? In other words, sit on it, not in it?

Drewfus, I already PM'd him the saddle idea, and then he started off on a diatribe about how camels shouldn't be fed because they get lazy, and some other oddball topics. 

I think he's in denial, but then I'm building a Spridget, so I've got no quarter with THAT argument.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on June 10, 2011, 08:49:48 PM
Drewfus, I already PM'd him the saddle idea, and then he started off on a diatribe about how camels shouldn't be fed because they get lazy, and some other oddball topics. 

I think he's in denial, but then I'm building a Spridget, so I've got no quarter with THAT argument.

Denial? I thought he was in Sunshine
Doesn't Denial run thru Egypt?
That would explain the camel thing
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on June 10, 2011, 09:22:22 PM
I'll have none of this gip........

The idea is to use a V-Twin Drewfus, no not one of those expensive pump motors but maybe a Honda Firestorm or something similar like a TL....but anyway it'll be run transverse which means we only need about 600mm (2ft imperialists) from the back of the diff to the firewall . Having the closed tailshaft style diff means there is a spline which will be easy to adapt to run a short chain to the secondary that means we've got motor/box/clutch in one package, then we've got cable brakes, we can use the hand controls off the bike, even the twist throttle mechanism as the pivot for a pedal. There's a free biscuit for anyone who gets what I'm talking about there.............

I just went out and ran a tape over a few things.....then I sat against the wall and measured how much leg-room I thought I could get away with....

Now, from the pointy end it's just over 800mm to the small bulkhead, that's enough for the rear spring,rear end and motor assembly.

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/P6110045.jpg)

From the small bulkhead to the nose is 1500 or so which means there's enough room for the spring, front end and steering ( 250mm front to back) and enough room for me to sit with my legs flat (1200mm).....

Sitting legs flat feels weird and takes away your ability to brace too but bending your knees leaves little room for a steering wheel so that is a compromise that will have to be made I reckon........It's going to be a better fit than I thought....


I am not in deNile which is Am-a-zon  all things considered but I may live to Ruhr the day that I didn't read the Seines and moderate my Rio Grande plans, I must have been O High-Oh . :roll: :roll:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on June 10, 2011, 10:51:13 PM
I am not in deNile which is Am-a-zon  all things considered but I may live to Ruhr the day that I didn't read the Seines and moderate my Rio Grande plans, I must have been O High-Oh . :roll: :roll:

This is not an intervention - We just don't want to see you in Missouri.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Drewfus on June 11, 2011, 12:03:53 AM
then we've got cable brakes, we can use the hand controls off the bike, even the twist throttle mechanism as the pivot for a pedal. There's a free biscuit for anyone who gets what I'm talking about there............

I get what you're doing, but I think you need to step out of the mentality that suggests you need to have a steering wheel....


Sitting legs flat feels weird and takes away your ability to brace too but bending your knees leaves little room for a steering wheel so that is a compromise that will have to be made I reckon........It's going to be a better fit than I thought....

If you just trim/narrow up the existing bike handle bars(instead of using a steering wheel), it should provide you a neat comprimise, a 'bit' of room for you to move your legs a fraction, and still offer you a 'familiar' steering sensation, without having to create more parts to package into that tiny area

Is that free buiscuit soggy? or slightly past its used by date?

Cheers,

Drewfus
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on June 11, 2011, 01:57:43 AM
Kind of disappointed that Jerry King of Puns didn't get involved in that one......

I get what you're doing, but I think you need to step out of the mentality that suggests you need to have a steering wheel....

If you just trim/narrow up the existing bike handle bars(instead of using a steering wheel), it should provide you a neat compromise, a 'bit' of room for you to move your legs a fraction, and still offer you a 'familiar' steering sensation, without having to create more parts to package into that tiny area
Cheers,
Drewfus

Had intended all along to use handle bars....but there's something really un-rock about them in a bellytank....it might be the "coot-scooter" similarities....and frankly if it's gonna look like a chopped down mobility scooter I'm not building it.... plus, the steering has to be super short to go full lock without a full rotation, and that's more trouble than its worth.

It's not about leg movement. Sit on the floor with your legs flat, they aren't much use to you are they?,,,,It puts more strain on your back . We'll have to build a pretty good back rest that stops any side to side movement if we are to have our legs flat....

Quote from:  Soggy Sao
There's a free biscuit for anyone who gets what I'm talking about there.............

I can just set up a spring loaded pedal and run a "string" around the twist throttle control mounted in a convenient place.....much easier than setting up another cable from a pedal
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on June 11, 2011, 03:36:25 AM
with a small seat to straddle (like a horse), with little bike handles protruding discretely to hang onto/steer with? In other words, sit on it, not in it?
Drewfus, I already PM'd him the saddle idea,

So more like this
G
(http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd35/Jarman-Stewart/Tankshotssep003.jpg)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on June 11, 2011, 05:07:31 AM
.or this?
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/mmmmshapes.jpg)

or this.?....
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/_NZS1271.jpg)

I love that shot.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on June 13, 2011, 10:39:35 PM
I reckon handlebars can be pretty cool. Think Ed Daddy Roth Gearstick clutches crossed with extreme chopper and (as Roxette would say) you've got the look...

rH+
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Drewfus on June 14, 2011, 07:55:01 AM
my daughter has handlebar ribbons just like that.....that dude just needs a floral basket up front and then she'll race him for pinks
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on June 14, 2011, 08:27:02 PM
First bike I've ever seen where you need to worry about scraping your knuckles on the roof of a parking ramp. 

That'll suntan your armpits.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on June 14, 2011, 08:44:36 PM
my daughter has handlebar ribbons just like that.....that dude just needs a floral basket up front and then she'll race him for pinks

I reckon they built that up from a scale model, they just miscalculated by a factor ...

First bike I've ever seen where you need to worry about scraping your knuckles on the roof of a parking ramp.

I'm pretty sure that guy would have some serious callouses on the back of his knuckles, actually I reckon he'd have pretty serious callouses on BOTH sides of his knuckles......
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: manta22 on June 14, 2011, 10:38:56 PM
Dr. G;

"I reckon they built that up from a scale model, they just miscalculated by a factor ..."

That isn't an unthinkable mistake. Where I worked years ago (the National Radio Astronomy Observatory in Green Bank, WV), one of our European scientists made a drawing of a small thing he wanted built and sent it to the machine shop. Unfortunately he had scaled it in millimeters and the shop built it in inches. Since he had not shown his scale in "mm" it was a natural error.  :-P

Regards, Neil   Tucson, AZ
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on June 14, 2011, 11:02:00 PM
I see where this is headed -

"I think that the problem may have been, that there was a Stonehenge monument on the stage that was in danger of being crushed by a dwarf."

- "This is Spinal Tap"
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on June 15, 2011, 12:13:46 AM

Apparently that Mars lander thingy that hit the Mars surface very hard and was obliterated a few years back was an empirical misunderstanding between the UK scientists and NASA as well.

and

"This is Spinal Tap"

You forgot the umlaut on the letter n.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: bvillercr on June 15, 2011, 12:22:42 AM
I keep coming back for some build diary, but am pleasantly surprised by humor. :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on June 15, 2011, 01:13:40 AM
I keep coming back for some build diary, but am pleasantly surprised by humor. :-D

Hey Troy,
There is some stuff going on in the shed...in fact the job I have on has similarities to the sleeve removal job I saw you guys doing a little while back.....I just made a 4ft long puller with a 3/4 inch thread on each end to get started on the differential housing transplant job............brutal and boring.

When you're getting annoyed at some guy standing around your pit at the salt making smart-asz remarks when you're trying to do something difficult come over and shake my hand I'm looking forward to meeting you guys.I'm hoping to see you do that BIG number when I'm there :-D :-D
Title: Re: the place (for what you think is the) Australian Belly Tank build diary
Post by: grumm441 on June 15, 2011, 05:28:41 AM
I keep coming back for some build diary, but am pleasantly surprised by humor. :-D

Yep
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: nickleone on June 16, 2011, 11:22:30 AM
(http://inlinethumb33.webshots.com/46752/2063214430049688093S500x500Q85.jpg) (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2063214430049688093vFlmks)

This is a SMALL lakester.

Nick
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: theazoldcrow on June 16, 2011, 12:36:03 PM
 :?    For small lakes??
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: fredvance on June 16, 2011, 01:40:08 PM
Would'nt that be a streamliner? The tires are enclosed.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: nickleone on June 16, 2011, 02:15:58 PM
Sorry had laksters on my mind.
Small moped powered car from the 60s'. i believe it went around 50 mph. Was in Hot Rod Mag coverage.
Drivers head was in the front in a prone position.

Nick
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Freud on June 16, 2011, 02:28:55 PM
As I recall the owners name was Alan and he donated cases of wine.

Maybe Langlos remember him.

I know Rochlitzer would.

FREUD
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on June 16, 2011, 05:22:44 PM
(http://inlinethumb33.webshots.com/46752/2063214430049688093S500x500Q85.jpg) (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2063214430049688093vFlmks)
This is a SMALL lakester.Nick

I think that's what they call a suppository.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on June 16, 2011, 05:24:47 PM
It would be banned now
Driver prone, tyre speed rating
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on June 17, 2011, 12:44:10 AM
LINER :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on June 19, 2011, 11:17:38 PM
I had a bit of a clearing sale courtesy of the large online auction site over the weekend.

I got 65 bucks for the Prefect motor. A father and son came to collect it, nice enough, they overstepped the mark a little when they saw the other bits and pieces I had for sale......They'll be back, with a little more cabbage than they offered me for some of the remnants.Who knows or cares what a Prefect door is worth but I do know that fuel tanks in good nick are worth money whatever they're from...... I'm looking at covering the cost of what I bought which I thought was a bargain anyway....that doesn't happen everyday as you all know.

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Sideshow on June 20, 2011, 06:37:30 AM
Shonky deals :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on June 20, 2011, 09:57:29 AM
I am in Hong Kong at the moment and presented to a company that made 15 billion Hong Kong dollars on one deal recently which allows them to play with the big boys... strangely the deal wasn't shonky.

rH+
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on July 04, 2011, 05:51:18 PM
Shonky deals indeed.....finally after getting very close recently I've found the rear gear set we need.....

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110710523786

The dirt track guys buy all of these apparently, not this one but.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on July 04, 2011, 07:51:41 PM
Gears, tires - it's all falling into place.

Welcome to the Mall of America!
 
That overhead compartment's going to be a bit full, especially if you score a used Nudie suit.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on July 04, 2011, 07:54:58 PM
Good work doctor, very quick on the draw.

Here we go, here we go, here we go!

Tank day this weekend?

d
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on July 04, 2011, 08:25:46 PM
Quick on the draw alright, it came in as a notification email, I didn't even think about bidding...buy it now!, buy it now!....

I think it had six views. The last guy who offered to take the money never got back to me despite a bit of prompting....

On another front I have to pull the axle insert out and take it back to the machine shop for a skim, it's all a bit tight which will give me no "shimmy room" for when we try to get the pinion height and alignment right.....
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on July 09, 2011, 07:30:47 PM
We got some way into the job to fit the housing for the ten bolt rear end.

After having a crack at pulling one of the inserts in last week we elected to have a closer look. It seems where the axle tubes were welded into the frame that they were pinched a little by the cooled weld. We took to that with a stone and then gave it a polish with a flap wheel, on the next try the progress was a whole lot more even.Next we had a look at the housing itself. due to the way things had to go together we needed to pull the inserts from inside the housing, that meant there had to be a clear path. Turns out that the machining wasn't perfect and the axle "hole" didn't line up exactly with the relief behind the bearing seat so there was a bit of de-burring and clearancing there too.

So, we've got a three foot piece of half inch rod with some 8.8grade 5/8 thread welded on either end and a bunch of thick washers, short pieces of pipe and other assorted items to use as spacers.....

The idea is to pull the insert from the inside of the housing into the axle tube, the end of the insert that fits the housing is slightly larger than the end that goes into the axle tube, we put a chamfer on the step where the dia. changes just to stop it "ploughing" anything. Once we got both sides started we decided we needed force on both  at once or it would just be a see-saw so we quickly knocked up another length of seamless tube with a bolt out either end and got started.....there was a bit of tension in the system at this point, and we had noticed that the "legs" which wrap around the axle tubes were pulling inwards...they're half inch steel....In the shot below you'll see the ends of the puller rods inside the housing, you may also notice that the washer on the right is buckling......

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/P7090005.jpg)

The movement had been slowing, the force applied increasing......we paused to assess...."so,where is it moving?"....I gave it a few more turns and there was a resounding TWANG! followed by some tinkling of parts, the washer on the right had given up the rod pulled through the middle of it and the washer went flying, we figure from where it ended up that it went between the Reverends legs.......unseen.

Nothing was broken, the legs had popped back to straight. I figure we need to use a porta-power to push the inserts from within the housing as well as pulling them.

On a side we cut some nice holes to plug weld the inserts into the axle tubes, I think they are a leeeetle bit wide....hmmmmmmmm

All in all though we made slow but effective progress, I'm yet to research the availability/compatability of the universal joints on the tailshaft and haven't bothered working out whether we'll need to lengthen the tailshaft, if we have to shorten it there's gonna be problems, there is only about an inch and a half of tube, that means we can probably only shorten it 3/4 of an inch...... as it sits though it seems to line up pretty well(not perfect here but well within limits),
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/P7090008.jpg)

we have plenty of side to side adjustability, we need to do a trial fit to see that the stock Ford axles will be the right length with the centre in the centre or so to speak.

This is just another example of "you had to be there to understand why we did it this way".
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on July 09, 2011, 09:49:41 PM
Geter done so we can find out if we need to bring you another housing or not :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on July 09, 2011, 11:27:22 PM
So I should bring my porta power over
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on July 10, 2011, 12:01:42 AM
Now that's an idea.

Didn't throw out a general invite yesterday as it was pretty much grubby grunt work, now we know what we need to do to finish it.

I knew that you had a porta-power.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on July 10, 2011, 12:12:47 AM
I knew that you had a porta-power.

Graham's tool library
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on July 10, 2011, 12:39:58 AM
20 ton?

So you have a low-profile ram?...if you don't I'll buy one....we've only got 150mm in there. I'll need your Copperhead to stitch it up too.....

Geter done so we can find out if we need to bring you another housing or not :-D

Looks like it's a goer Bill,it's just a case of fine tuning , and at the same time making sure we haven't got anything under tension( er, yeah, I know but even if he did lose them they've served their purpose twice).

On another front I have to pull the axle insert out and take it back to the machine shop for a skim, it's all a bit tight which will give me no "shimmy room" for when we try to get the pinion height and alignment right.....

We could have made things a looser fit, but the way it is we KNOW it is aligned and it's not coming apart anytime soon. I'm glad we went back in and dressed up the inside of the tubes, much sounder practice........

Yesterday before the big TWANG we'd been trying to tilt the pumpkin up, had a piece of tube through it( front to back) and I had a little bottle jack under the tube because it didn't want to move.......once the big TWANG happened it was fine, not loose but we could move it with the tube .....it should have been a sign , earlier.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on July 10, 2011, 01:41:26 AM
gears showed up will count teeth Sunday AM   have not picked up tires yet====

not too many beers yet  16  on  pinion  41  on RG      also whats stamped on RG

you do the math :-P
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Nexxussian on July 10, 2011, 03:44:48 AM
41/16=2.5625

Or at least that's what the 'puter sez.  :roll:  :-D

Definetly taller than what I've got.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on July 10, 2011, 01:12:08 PM
You certainly didn't take the path of least resistance on this one, guys.  Brilliant and heart stopping bit of adaptation and drama here.  Good show.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on July 10, 2011, 05:44:22 PM
More brutal than brillo but its doing what we want without having to do any micrometer work.

Just in case anyone is scratching their heads or missed the original story....

We are fitting a GM ten-bolt centre section and wanted to keep the Ford axle tubes,axles and brakes. Had we changed the entire rear we would have had to build a new jig to sit the car on so as to get the alignment right, then hoped we kept the axle tubes straight when we welded them again.

The car has run "no hands" straight beyond 160mph, that tells us it was pretty good......this way we don't mess with any of that.

Didn't venture out there yesterday, it was a wild and woolly day here.....Sunshine my a*&^%$%^&^&
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on July 11, 2011, 07:20:48 PM

...we figure from where it ended up that it went between the Reverends legs.......unseen.

Nothing was broken, the legs had popped back to straight.

I am indeed glad I am slightly bow legged, and tall!

rH+
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on July 16, 2011, 08:58:05 PM
I wandered out to the shed this morning and had a good stare at the job. Staring at the job has been an integral part of many things I have done over the years,in fact if it weren't for staring at the job most things I have tried would have reached a conclusion, successful or otherwise , much sooner. So, at that point I decided to do something.

I found a piece of packing that would maintain the distance between the housing and the rear "leg" as it was that gap closing that had caused everything to bind up and ended with the large TWANG mentioned in the last episode....In an uncharacteristic move I wired the piece of packing securely so that if it did let go I wouldn't be on the receiving end. I got a pair of calipers so I'd be able to see how much it was moving......

The first few swings on the pipe that I was using as an extension weren't promising, it didn't have the firm but even feel telling me it was moving....I thought "maybe the thread is a little tortured" so I went to the other end, that felt better...... I should have put the Torque wrench on it so I could give you an exact figure but it felt like close to a hundred pounds on the 12 inch wrench I had on it.

This pic shows from the left , the hole cut in the axle tube to plug weld the insert, the piece of scrap I use to make sure the insert pulled through the housing and the packing washers on the end of the insert....

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/P7170013.jpg)

It's not perfect yet but it looks like we're pretty close....

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/P7170016.jpg)

So I had a crack at fitting the bearing seat.....it's getting there

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/P7170018.jpg)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on July 17, 2011, 02:50:05 PM
I wandered out to the shed this morning and had a good stare at the job. Staring at the job has been an integral part of many things I have done over the years,in fact if it weren't for staring at the job most things I have tried would have reached a conclusion, successful or otherwise , much sooner. So, at that point I decided to do something.

The same process here, usually on a Saturday morning with a cup of coffee in my hand.  Then something trips in my head and says, "Ain't gettin' done me standin' here starin' at it".

It's kind of like a mental allegory to Newton's laws of motion.

The effect is further demonstrated when you look up at the clock, it's 1:30 in the morning, you clean up, hop in the rack, and can't fall asleep.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on July 18, 2011, 08:53:32 PM
 Something else I'd like to point out about this transplant job.

The way our rear end is mounted places a lot of stress on the join between the differential housing and the axle tubes because it is supported so narrowly. Rather than being supported at the spring pad as designed where the leverage against the housing would be minimal the support is in against the housing where it has probably twenty times the force at the wheel.Thus the rather heavy duty solution for attaching the housing to the tubes and the tight fit that we have gone with ......just in case.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on July 18, 2011, 11:03:13 PM
That weld hole we drilled in photo 2 looks like it is coming good too, yes?

I have had a cold for two months that wont go away. Now my glands are up again, my teeth hurt, my ear and for some reason my left knee has what can only be described as that belonging to a former netballer.

In short I am glad I am not hammering anything.

d
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: wobblywalrus on July 19, 2011, 12:58:59 AM
Dik, get that sickness looked at.  Around here we have various parasites that can create those symptoms and prompt treatment is essential to prevent permanent damage.  I am not sure if Australia has versions of what we have here.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on July 19, 2011, 01:38:47 AM
That weld hole we drilled in photo 2 looks like it is coming good too, yes?

Hmmmm, you're sounding German.....
I have had a cold for two months that wont go away. Now my glands are up again, my teeth hurt, my ear ......
d

Oh no, not your wild front ear?

.....Get the tests, before you go back...... I had whooping cough for over three months last year, that was crapolyptic.......
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on July 19, 2011, 02:47:15 AM
Parasite? I hope it doesn't look like this Hydrothermal worm someone sent me a picture of today...

I think I'll take your advice, I am not worried so much about Australian parasites, I think my body has a handle on those by now, it is all the oddball Chinese food I have been eating...
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on July 19, 2011, 04:17:33 AM
years ago a girl I know came back from Burma, had what she said was a boil on her leg, looked unusually angry( the boil)....she got really ticked off when I said ....

"you better get that checked out, it's probably got a grub in it".... she thought I was trying to gross her out, fair call.

She turned up a week later after a visit to the Quack, yep you guessed it. :-o
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Lynchy on July 19, 2011, 04:50:33 PM
Worked with a bloke many years ago who went for a swim in a lake in India.... he ended up riddled with parasites and had to go through hell to get rid of them - beware dodgy flooded lakes!!
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on July 19, 2011, 07:26:14 PM
I now am the proud owner of a doctor's appointment.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on July 19, 2011, 07:34:18 PM
You got an appointment?
My Doctor just turns up every Sunday at around 4pm
My girl is thinking of putting an apple tree in front of the front door and see if he gets the hint
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Nexxussian on July 19, 2011, 10:07:44 PM
G, that only works if it completely obscures the door. :D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on July 19, 2011, 10:41:02 PM
.
You got an appointment?
My Doctor just turns up every Sunday at around 4pm
My girl is thinking of putting an apple tree in front of the front door and see if he gets the hint
G


one might fall on his head helping him to solve some great Newtonesque mystery of the universe.......

" thunk!....yes Reverend , you have the clap"
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on July 23, 2011, 02:24:10 AM
 I went to the shed this morning with the express purpose of tidying up before the Colonel and I had another shot at the diff transplant tomorrow.

I lasted about five minutes before the draw of the job became too much. I'd picked up the piece of Ford axle tube that I had taken to the machine shop when they made the inserts, it was just what I needed to space the housing to prevent the "leg" from pulling in rather than the insert being forced through the housing, I measure the gap and cut accordingly. I cut about 90 degrees out of the ring I'd made and whacked it over the span where the insert protruded from the housing before disappearing into the axle tube. I set the long bolt puller up again and got winding, it felt a lot better.

I kept going, one of the details I'd been a little worried about was that we'd cut the holes for the plug welds in the axles tubes too wide, nope, they are now both covered.

I put the bearing seats in and popped the centre in.... from a quick examination it looks like the short axle is just right but the long one is about four inches too long . I had to pack up but I have an inkling we might even be able to use two of the Ford short sides. There are a bunch of lengths that vary very slightly within a range so I'll be doing my research on them in an effort to avoid having to get one shortened/re-splined.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on July 23, 2011, 08:10:56 AM
  :cheers:  :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on July 23, 2011, 09:58:20 AM
  :cheers:  :cheers:

I agree with Bill.

 :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:

(Well, maybe I drink more than him . . .)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on July 23, 2011, 01:09:27 PM
lol
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on July 24, 2011, 04:44:30 AM
(Well, maybe I drink more than him . . .)

Well, right there folks is proof that it doesn't stunt your growth !

Now, the Colonel turned up today and we got cracking .....He brought over a piece of 7/8 all thread which was an improvement on the 5/8 stuff I had....but he also brought the socket wrench of DEATH !..........sadly I didn't get a shot of it but it had a handle like a baseball bat...but wait ! there's MORE......it telescoped out to about twenty feet long...OK I didn't put a tape over it but it was pretty long.

we pulled the inserts out to where they covered the prepared holes for the plug welds at one end and cleared the reliefs for the bearing seat inside the housing..

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/P7240076.jpg)

You'll notice here we put a pinion in, but the point of this shot is to see where we pulled the insert through...and how it needed to be touched up with a burr because it didn't line up exactly with the hole bored for the axle tube....

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/P7240075.jpg)

Here's one of the centre in place so we could measure the axle lengths accurately.... it turns out one is 40mm(inch and five eighths) too short and the other is about 40mm too long.....we'll be checking all available stock lengths before we get too carried away and get one shortened.......

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/P7240074.jpg)

After that we thought we'd see how other aspects had panned out, like the tailshaft.......oh I forgot to mention yes, the Ford yoke fits the GM pinion spline so we can use the same universals we already had... our tailshaft was GM/Ford to get the M20 hitched to the BorgWarner Yoke.....as it now sits it seems that each part connects to one from the other manufacturer...GM box to Ford yoke to GM centre to Ford axles.....Anyway we bolted in the gearbox crossmember , put the tailshaft in the back of the box and bolted it up...fit?.....it's spot on.....

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/P7240078.jpg)

.and from the other side.....gee whiz she's lookin' pretty rough and ragged...

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/P7240079.jpg)

We stood there and stared at it a bit and then agreed that we should probably get the frame blasted and give it a proper paint. It was painted in a hurry in Jan 2007, since then there were a heap of changes and additions and then it went to the salt twice...more changes to the frame. I am the first person to praise the Reverends abilities as an artist but they don't extend to a 2 inch brush and some half expired enamel gloss. Every touch up since has been with a scraggy old brush , though really you'd think someone had done it with a broom.... Yeah , i've been guilty of some of the atrocities too. So , the Colonel and i thought "yep, time for a blast".....

gee , this seems like a lifetime ago.... I look a little younger, wiser and holey-moley look at that yellow paint! you may notice I have my fingers crossed? that's because this was during one of the first attempts to start it..........
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/fingerscrossed.jpg)

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on July 24, 2011, 06:48:08 AM
A remark of Fast Freddy D.  comes to mind---"Metal is dumb, it just lies there untill untill you are smart enough to make it do what you need for it to do."  way to go guys :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on July 24, 2011, 02:18:20 PM
Astounding.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on July 24, 2011, 07:27:04 PM
Doctor's report:

It is not a parasite, it's a cold. But it's a man-cold dammit!

I am now on the antibiotics which I think has done wonders for some other things I may have picked up in life's wonderful journey... at least the gland in my neck doesn't feel like a claw toeing my ear.

And I don't have the clap!!!

Excellent work on the weekend Dr and Colonel and excellent results on the yoke lining up. The God of Speed was shining on us there.

I don't think I mention enough here the idea of Dharma and this build diary. Sure we are playing with parts from a set group of manufacturers and so there are only a finite number of permutations and combinations, but there still is, I am glad to say, a great deal of lucky breaks or things working just right, (or broken pieces of tube missing ones' nads) that keeps the faith that we are somehow on the right track in a cosmic way.

The book "Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance" gives me the idea that maybe I should write the "Dharma of Landspeed Racing."

On that note, I just saw "Senna" the movie (who my mate Mark Fogarty asks Senna the question which he gives the "pure racing" answer) and there are elements of this beauty and art of the sport, of the spititual side of following your dreams. In it Senna mentions his most fond memories of who he raced against were from his karting days, before the politics and money of GP. The Spirit of Sunshine ineed.

I think Landspeed maintains this amateur quality admirably, where there is a single clear objective and that anybody with a will can compete.

(Also the Isle of Mann TT of course, and I cannot wait to see it in 3D when it comes out in a few weeks!!!)

Reverend Hedgash


Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: ben james on July 26, 2011, 06:54:18 AM
hi Dik, you're such a trendy wanker,i love it :wink:.
 am going to see senna as well when it comes here on the 11th august.
he was the best.
 looking forward to catching up .
regards
ben
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: 38flattie on July 26, 2011, 08:12:48 AM
great work- I love this build!

Not to mention, you guys are a hoot! :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: k.h. on July 26, 2011, 12:03:09 PM
A quick reference guide to translating the colloquial expressions offered up by our brethren on the bottom of the world:

http://www.koalanet.com.au/australian-slang.html
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on July 26, 2011, 07:20:56 PM
hi Dik, you're such a trendy wanker,i love it :wink:.
 am going to see senna as well when it comes here on the 11th august.
he was the best.
 looking forward to catching up .
regards
ben

OMG! Ben! I just realised... we first started our salt years at Gairdner crewing for you and what were you racing?

A Ducati DHARMA!!!!

Oh the synchronicity!!!

rH+
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on July 26, 2011, 08:35:53 PM
hi Dik, you're such a trendy wanker,i love it :wink:.
 am going to see senna as well when it comes here on the 11th august.
he was the best.
 looking forward to catching up .
regards
ben

OMG! Ben! I just realised... we first started our salt years at Gairdner crewing for you and what were you racing?

A Ducati DHARMA!!!!

Oh the synchronicity!!!

rH+


Last month you lost your glasses, now the inevitable has happened.......you've overdosed on the glaucoma treatment.........

Hey, hey, EMU BEN! :cheers: :cheers:

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: ben james on July 27, 2011, 03:19:05 AM


OMG! Ben! I just realised... we first started our salt years at Gairdner crewing for you and what were you racing?

A Ducati DHARMA!!!!

Oh the synchronicity!

it's a DARMA you heathen


Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: ben james on July 27, 2011, 03:20:31 AM
oops i meant a DARMAH :oops:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on July 27, 2011, 05:11:58 AM
oops i meant a DARMAH :oops:

Poxy Ducati
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on July 27, 2011, 05:40:21 PM
oops i meant a DARMAH :oops:

Poxy Ducati
G

er, that'd be a Pox on your house wouldn't it?

Nothin the apple tree wont fix...
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on July 27, 2011, 06:28:36 PM
I'm down to my last 2 and bit Ducati's
I seem to have more Aprilia's. That I can't seem to sell
and CB1100's
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: penny on July 27, 2011, 09:09:29 PM
A quick reference guide to translating the colloquial expressions offered up by our brethren on the bottom of the world:

one item that i will be bringing to salt talks for tha raffle will be a t shirt with australian slang meanings on it . It is a rare" broken hill draught"
 beer  t shirt  .
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on July 29, 2011, 10:27:10 PM
 I have started a blog to collate the significant stuff about the Spirit of Sunshine. Most of what you'll see there was posted here first
it's here...............

http://thespiritofsunshine.blogspot.com/

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on July 30, 2011, 02:31:51 AM
I have started a blog to collate the significant stuff about the Spirit of Sunshine. Most of what you'll see there was posted here first
it's here...............

http://thespiritofsunshine.blogspot.com/



Ahh, the Reader's Digest version . . . :wink:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Drewfus on July 30, 2011, 07:29:53 AM
I thank thee god for the Dr's needing to breathe between paragraphs, for the blog is quite a journal.... :wink: :-) :-D

 :cheers:

Drewfus :-D

P.S. What's the new paint scheme going to be?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on July 30, 2011, 08:20:09 AM
Whoa------thats a bitchin lookin way to start the day---I asume that it wouldn't be possible  :cheers:  :cheers: for the photo to be in focus that well late in the day!!!---lol  The gears are now in a non USPS box sitting with the stuff that being accumulated for the annual pilgrimage  next year it will be with the new RAT
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: ben james on July 31, 2011, 09:34:10 AM
nice blog on the tank stew,great read & i even get a mention on it myself. I feel a bit rockstar 8-)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on August 02, 2011, 05:52:20 PM
nice blog on the tank stew,great read & i even get a mention on it myself. I feel a bit rockstar 8-)
You ARE a bit rock-star Benny....now let me see...
(http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRXkRbkFfYHc32i-FEb6zCFE7lay5viP800Mfsexkjm6ZDAA5PGww)
hmmmm naah , not David Gates...

ummmmmmm

(http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTnKOWRyG5ukObMVOJb15o2Ib0bmfaZPmKMJEfaG4R8r9-m-BHrAg)

nah hang on the guy who looks like you there isn't the rock-star.... wait a minute,here we go..

(http://gossip.whyfame.com/files/2010/02/justin_bieber21.jpg)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stan Back on August 02, 2011, 10:40:33 PM
I'm beginning to think I'm on the wrong forum.  I'm lost.  If I had one of those phones that aren't connected to the wall, I'd call for help.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: interested bystander on August 02, 2011, 10:59:15 PM
Stan, you might consider subscribing to one of those "I've fallen and I can't get up!" services.

Ya didn't miss anything in the way of good food this AM. A few overweight hotrodders maybe  or so they claim!
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: interested bystander on August 02, 2011, 11:17:12 PM
PS to STAN

 we both need to butt out of this great thread!
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on August 02, 2011, 11:52:38 PM
 Stan, I'll explain everything when we get to meet at the salt.....and Bystander...
Stan, you might consider subscribing to one of those "I've fallen and I can't get up!" services.
this is for you...


www.youtube.com/watch?v=76LbvnoIDkE

Now, just because you guys have got a race meet coming up doesn't mean we have to be all serious here on this thread.....

PS to STAN
 we both need to butt out of this great thread!

na , hang around its all grist for the mill.....
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stan Back on August 03, 2011, 11:54:35 AM
I musta missed that episode of "Austin City Limits".
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Nexxussian on August 03, 2011, 09:33:21 PM
I musta missed that episode of "Austin City Limits".

Yeah, that's a beuty, classic, like Stairway to Heaven".

(hint, name that clip)

I liked it. :)

I may not be an artist, but I know what I like. :D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on August 04, 2011, 12:10:28 AM
God  I would love to send him the comerical " I am Linda, can you belive I am 70". Comercial   there is no telling what they could do with that!!!!!!!!!    :cheers: :mrgreen: :| :wink: :roll: :evil: :oops: :-P :x :lol: 8-) :? :-o :-( :-) :-D  sun has been over the yard arm for a whie   :cheers:  :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on August 04, 2011, 01:34:29 AM
cheers: :mrgreen: :| :wink: :roll: :evil: :oops: :-P :x :lol: 8-) :? :-o :-( :-) :-D  sun has been over the yard arm for a whie   :cheers:  :cheers:

No truer words have been spoken
The sun was over the yard arm early today
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on August 04, 2011, 01:49:48 AM
The sun was over the yard arm early today
G

I'm thinkin both you blokes have it on the bottom peg and a handy ladder to stand on, that way the moment the sun appears on the horizon it is over the yard arm.........
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on August 04, 2011, 05:09:34 AM
I'm thinkin both you blokes have it on the bottom peg and a handy ladder to stand on, that way the moment the sun appears on the horizon it is over the yard arm.........


I try to keep my yard arms on the eastern end of the property
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on August 04, 2011, 10:16:27 AM
lol :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Freud on August 04, 2011, 11:56:51 AM
four door.........if you haven't already had your STD treated, forget about it now.

It will be full blown when you get back home and any treatment will be better than none.

FREUD
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on August 04, 2011, 03:24:04 PM
four door.........if you haven't already had your STD treated, forget about it now.

It will be full blown when you get back home and any treatment will be better than none.

FREUD

Even a little mistreatment . . .
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on August 07, 2011, 01:18:15 PM
Previously on - "The Parts Hunter" -

There are a bunch of lengths that vary very slightly within a range so I'll be doing my research on them in an effort to avoid having to get one shortened/re-splined.

What length you looking for?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on August 07, 2011, 05:32:04 PM
Previously on - "The Parts Hunter" -

There are a bunch of lengths that vary very slightly within a range so I'll be doing my research on them in an effort to avoid having to get one shortened/re-splined.

What length you looking for?
Here, this came from the kernel..? ah, Colonel..

Diff
Spline Rh75 mm - 39 mm.    
Lh 88 - 48 mm
 
Lh Axle. 710.  About 35 too Short
Rh. 805.  About 40 too long.
 
Lh needs about 735
Rh needs about 765
 
68 mm axle tube
1500 end to end

Right now I'm not thinking about axles, I'm thinking about packing my bags and organising my stuff for the trip to Bonneville.I had a mix up with my return flight and spent quite a bit of time on the blower making sure I left LA on the 23rd( In the meantime I was quoted various figures, the lowest being $0 the highest being $1255 just to change flights.....they stung me $200...thieves)....that means I miss the 24th but land in Melbourne on the 25th for my birthday and am back here a gig on the 26th and a friends 50th on the 27th.....

Anyway , our plans are to land at LAX on the morning of the 10th,I have a video camera and a guitar to collect in town and Simon has a big business visit to the camera shop, we'll spend the night at 29 Palms, the next at Vegas and then Bendover.

We're hoping to stay with Wayno on the way home and then we have a bit of poking around in LA before we hit the Qantas Lounge .

After hanging around on landracing for the last five years or so it's going to be great to meet so many people from here.

Standby.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stan Back on August 07, 2011, 06:41:23 PM
I know Vegas is Vegas -- but -- if you made it to Ely and the Hotel Nevada on Friday, there's a car show that evening forming up for the weekend in the public park.

You'll have missed me by a day (no big thing), but my $35 corner room in the tallest building in Nevada (until 1926) will be empty.  And take the challenge of having a drink in every bar in downtown (there's three separate ones in just one building).  The hotel welcomes you with two margaritas and two draft beers at the Liberty Bar across the street.  This is Nevada hospitality a notch or two above Bendover.

Plus!  There're carnal challenges available legally, too.  Yep -- it's the real wild west and Miss Kitty, too.

Or so I'm told.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on August 07, 2011, 06:56:29 PM
Goggles sez "We're hoping to stay with Wayno on the way home and then we have a bit of poking around in LA before we hit the Qantas Lounge ."
Count on it.  :cheers: Grumm is supposed to stop by on the way up and he can warn you against it if so inclined.  :-D I'm betting you enjoy it. Wayno

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on August 07, 2011, 08:00:47 PM
I know Vegas is Vegas -- but -- if you made it to Ely and the Hotel Nevada on Friday, there's a car show that evening forming up for the weekend in the public park.

You'll have missed me by a day (no big thing), but my $35 corner room in the tallest building in Nevada (until 1926) will be empty.  And take the challenge of having a drink in every bar in downtown (there's three separate ones in just one building).  The hotel welcomes you with two margaritas and two draft beers at the Liberty Bar across the street.  This is Nevada hospitality a notch or two above Bendover.

Plus!  There're carnal challenges available legally, too.  Yep -- it's the real wild west and Miss Kitty, too.

Or so I'm told.

We'll be going through Ely............we'll be able to survey your trail of destruction...I can see it now, there'll be a smell of burnt rubber, snaking tire marks up the main street, broken windows, women collapsed against verandah posts fanning themselves, a bunch of bewildered local heavies re-aligning their jaws and spitting out teeth and scrawled on the front of the sheriff's office " My name is Stan".........

We'll be driving out of town shaking our heads in disbelief when we'll come across a vigilante roadblock....they'll stop us because we're on the highway which is a dead giveaway that we aren't locals................"Do YOU know Stan?..........I really hope I can withstand whatever it is they do to me Stan, coz you know I'd never give you up..............

Speaking of Margaritas, do I need to bring anything?

Wayno, I have a present for you.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on August 07, 2011, 09:02:29 PM
Goggles sez "Wayno, I have a present for you." Coincidentally..................... :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on August 07, 2011, 10:38:13 PM
Goggles sez "Wayno, I have a present for you." Coincidentally..................... :cheers:

As long as you don't need a plumber to get rid of it
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on August 07, 2011, 10:51:22 PM
Goggles sez "Wayno, I have a present for you." Coincidentally..................... :cheers:

As long as you don't need a plumber to get rid of it
G
You just can't keep a secret, can you?  :x Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: ben james on August 08, 2011, 05:05:22 AM
a note to dr goggles,
don't embarass us australians & don't wear your red footy shorts. :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on August 08, 2011, 05:26:07 AM
a note to dr goggles,
don't embarass us australians & don't wear your red footy shorts. :-D

Good point Ben
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: ben james on August 08, 2011, 07:48:09 AM
the red shorts probably don't fit anymore.
word is you've got a verandah over the tool shed these days. :-P
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: PJQ on August 08, 2011, 11:24:49 PM
awh Benno, almost a family show remember.
Hey Stew, your almost-namesake - Jimmy “Clinkers” Stewart - just back from over there, reckons there’s a Russian Vodka Gypsy Bar in Boston that’ll feed you and help with digs, and hand over piles of reddies if you can strum a guitar and make crazy noise. Called Anyway Café, In case ya get stuck-like… on the East Coast... which is on the cards, hanging around with Davo.

Catch you guys at the end of the month for some adventure stories (Pommy Martin flies out tomorrow, headed for the Salt, you’ll probably bump into him: be nice now).
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on August 09, 2011, 12:39:53 AM
Yeah I heard Colbinabbin Jim on the tranny the other day, he too has a sister called Kate, she's a bestie of my niece's....small world . I gave a tape of his to JVG years ago, Johnny turned his nose up a bit but came around eventually.....he sounded good the little brat.

We are on a surgical strike , no East Coast...

Chances are I won't run into Martin, but I'm not discounting the possibility that I'll end up sitting next to him on the flight..... :roll:

PS: shorts are packed. :wink:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on August 09, 2011, 03:46:09 PM
That's it. I'm outta here.....next stop LA. See you all on the flats.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on August 09, 2011, 07:44:25 PM
15 hours in steerage - jet lag - LAX - I've got a fiver says he gets in on the wrong side of the rental car.  :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on August 09, 2011, 07:53:53 PM
15 hours in steerage - jet lag - LAX - I've got a fiver says he gets in on the wrong side of the rental car.  :-D
I've done that.  :oops:  :lol: Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on August 09, 2011, 09:03:08 PM
15 hours in steerage - jet lag - LAX - I've got a fiver says he gets in on the wrong side of the rental car.  :-D
I've done that.  :oops:  :lol: Wayno
Happened to me in Dublin.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on August 09, 2011, 09:37:54 PM
15 hours in steerage - jet lag - LAX - I've got a fiver says he gets in on the wrong side of the rental car.  :-D
I've done that.  :oops:  :lol: Wayno
Happened to me in Dublin.
Happened to me in Ulster.  :-D Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stan Back on August 10, 2011, 11:27:21 AM
Coming from the airport in the Bahamas, I was set on renting a car for touring around.  The first time the shuttle driver turned into the "wrong" lane, I changed my mind.  After a few toddies, I don't think I'd remember to do that.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: fredvance on August 10, 2011, 12:07:43 PM
I rented a car in the Bahamas. The hardest thing to get right was traffic circles. :-o
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on August 11, 2011, 10:46:38 AM
Grumm arrived safely last evening at the RODGE MAHAL. Stop worrying Mum.  :cheers: Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on August 11, 2011, 03:39:07 PM
15 hours in steerage - jet lag - LAX - I've got a fiver says he gets in on the wrong side of the rental car.  :-D
Yep. He did it this morning.  :roll: He just left heading for Bonneville. It's 1:30 pm Utah time and a 250 mile trip. Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Geo on August 11, 2011, 04:45:18 PM
He just left heading for Bonneville. It's 1:30 pm Utah time and a 250 mile trip.

What's the Australia time and would kilometers help?  :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on August 11, 2011, 05:19:09 PM
He just left heading for Bonneville. It's 1:30 pm Utah time and a 250 mile trip.

What's the Australia time and would kilometers help?  :-D
It's on the order of 400 km and I think it was about 6:30 am Australia time. I don't think anything will help him get in on the proper side of the car.  :roll: Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on August 12, 2011, 05:19:24 AM
it's 2am local time, I'm in a 15th floor suite at the Platinum Hotel in Vegas.....not quite Little River Band but slimy all the same..., I had my first left hand side drive today in the GT500, Simon was more than a little nervous anyway, I tested a few cat's eyes...it's hard to stay lane centred more than it is to remember which side of the road..... the closest we've come is reaching for the T-shift when we're in the passenger seat at a park,it's just instinctive........I'll give you a bell tomorrow MFF.

we'll be in Bendover by 4pm tmw




 :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on August 12, 2011, 09:00:45 AM
Doc -

Welcome to America - keep it between the guardrails.

See you late Tuesday or early Wednesday.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Rocket3 on August 12, 2011, 09:55:24 AM
Doc, I hope you've got your copy of Fear and Loathing, watch out for those bats and giant lizards and for gods sake avoid any overweight Samoan lawyers.
Have fun
Rocket  :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on August 14, 2011, 02:10:36 AM
Doc, I hope you've got your copy of Fear and Loathing, watch out for those bats and giant lizards and for gods sake avoid any overweight Samoan lawyers.
Have fun
Rocket  :cheers:

apart from nearly knowing it off by heart I also have the Harry Dean Stanton spoken word version on CD, I drove Simon mad with it............

Chris, I tried to ring ...I'll give it another go....

I won't even start on how this whole thing has been...overwhelming for one, had a great day with Stainless, talked a million miles an hour with Sparky met a million other people...... there will be a monster post when I get back.........

Not a lot of time for net access for me so posting will be scarce, looking forward to Salt Talks tomorrow night.

Freud and Wayno where-art-thou?

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: maj on August 14, 2011, 03:46:36 AM
enjoy Doc, another 2 weeks till were on the salt, major withdrawals in the meantime

If your after a simple and cheap meal at anytime checkout the servo next to motel 6 , we seem to eat there a fair bit after a hectic day at the salt
and say hello to Carmen at the Black and White bar    :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on August 14, 2011, 08:40:46 AM
Dr. Goggles said "Freud and Wayno where-art-thou?" James, look for the P-38 Belly Tank in the back of my pickup at the White Goose Bar.  :cheers: Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on August 15, 2011, 12:13:29 AM
Dr. Goggles said "Freud and Wayno where-art-thou?" James, look for the P-38 Belly Tank in the back of my pickup at the White Goose Bar.  :cheers: Wayno
He found me.  :cheers: Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: generatorshovel on August 15, 2011, 12:35:51 AM
Dr. Goggles said "Freud and Wayno where-art-thou?" James, look for the P-38 Belly Tank in the back of my pickup at the White Goose Bar.  :cheers: Wayno
He found me.  :cheers: Wayno
He's all yours now Wayno , did anyone tell ya,,we don't want him back  :wink:
Tiny
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Nexxussian on August 18, 2011, 10:12:50 PM
James, it was good to meet you.

I'm glad we got to meet but it was kind of a bummer I couldn't seem to find the time to sit and chat when you were around, always something going on.

Have a safe trip home. :)

PS, I think I figured out what the transmission was in the belly tank with "more air" in it than the one discussed here.

I believe it was a Liberty 5 speed 10 solenoids as each actuator needs air in two different directions and 1 for a safety (or at least that's how I read it on their web site, amazing what you find when you are looking for something else.).
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: salt27 on August 18, 2011, 11:17:49 PM
This is the worst case of salt fever I have ever seen.
The fellow in the [umm] belly tank was asking for a tow to course #2.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on August 19, 2011, 01:55:09 AM
I should have known better than have fallen for that one, it was good to meet you Don and  the young fella.

Just had dinner with Freud, Stainless and  the Midget dead tired and starting early AGAIN tmw,leaving for the Rodge Mahal.

I've done 65 interviews,i`ve got lots of writing to do but right now I'm on tablet keyboard that's ultra slow.

Later.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: racergeo on August 19, 2011, 02:57:57 AM
   It's clear the poor bloke is suffering from one of an Ozzy's worst conditions, XXXX Gold withdrawal. That in conjunction with to much Sun Shine an it could be fa...
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Tman on August 19, 2011, 09:56:39 AM
Nice to meet you at the Salt Tal...........I mean Salt Showers! Sharing that IPA was my pleasure. Sitting and listening to Marlo with you was a great time, even with the sand in our eyes! :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Rex Schimmer on August 19, 2011, 10:20:30 AM
Doc (James),
Great meeting you at Speed Week!! and I really enjoyed your CD, pretty much played it all the way home. (can you wear a CD out???) Great meeting Simon too and the margarita at the starting line was absolutely brilliant!!

We did get the 221 V4FL qualified at 193 and then spun the next morning on the back up run, went to tech for their blessings, went right back to the starting line and re qualified at 196 then ran 193 yesterday morning for the record. Steve Nelson was still smiling when I left!! Truly an epic Speed Week and topped by being able to meet you!!

Rex
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on August 19, 2011, 10:50:59 AM
What a pleasure getting to talk "tank shop" with the GOOD dr G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Freud on August 19, 2011, 03:12:45 PM
Australia....the United States of America has fulfilled any obligation we have to Australia when we

let Dr. G step on out land.

Simon is cool and Goggles is ON FIRE.

I think I will remember him whenever I see him.

FREUD
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on August 19, 2011, 03:46:39 PM
Freud, I enjoyed having dinner with you at the "2" Club. Dr. Goggles and Simon and Grumm are on their way to my house. Should be fun.  :cheers: Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on August 20, 2011, 10:15:48 AM
.......still very starved for keyboard time. Chowed down at the Rodge Mahal last night, apricot wood smoked T-Bones, darn good. Couldn't BELIEVE Wayno's bits and pieces.

Tman, we'll talk, Rex , how's your backside after your drive home?

Freud, boy do I ever owe you.

And to the long termers on landracing.com , you all know we had a great understanding with Jack Dolan, he took us under his wing and made us believe that what we were doing was important and that we could could rock it. Well, tomorrow we are going to San Diego and if Jack is well enough I'm going to get to thank him in person, thanks to Freud.


This has been a fairytale.


DrG
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on August 20, 2011, 10:20:29 AM
Speaking of fairy tails - does Simon have that picture of Freud greeting us at the motel?  :wink:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: landsendlynda on August 20, 2011, 10:38:19 AM
I had the most wonderful, but way too brief, visit with "My" Australian Boys!  It was fantastic getting to meet you in person and it made me a little sad....okay, a little weepy, to have to tell you goodbye! 

Oh yes....CD?  What CD?  How come I didn't get one?  How unfair is that?????  I didn't even make it onto the salt this year it was so crazy busy at Land's End,  but I did get my hugs and kisses!!   :-D 

Have a safe journey home and can't wait to greet you at Land's End when you come back!!

Stay Safe,

Lynda
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Nexxussian on August 21, 2011, 12:41:15 PM
Edit...

Couldn't BELIEVE Wayno's bits and pieces.

From one that's been and seen, some of it, yes. :)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Freud on August 21, 2011, 05:39:58 PM
Midget, he had the foto but the card dissolved and he lost all of the images.

He should have known better.

FREUD
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on August 21, 2011, 10:29:03 PM
Quote from: Freud link=topic=862.msg16779 1#msg167791 date=1313962798
Midget, he had the foto but the card dissolved and he lost all of the images.

He should have known better.

FREUD

Damn, now they can't blackmail you into crewing for 'em :-D

A pleasure finally meeting you, Freud.  :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: PJQ on August 22, 2011, 09:59:00 PM
Happy Birthday Goggs, where ever you are… bottom of that BIG canyon thing they got over there… or scrounging Grummy’s old Chev bits in wrecking yard. Top fun either way.

Cheers guys :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on August 22, 2011, 11:32:06 PM
Hey James. Have an Happy One.  :cheers: Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Freud on August 22, 2011, 11:43:44 PM
Dr Goggles, Ya Bird Dog. Why didn't u tell me today was your birthday?

We could have celebrated early.

Mine is Wednesday and you will probably miss it because u will be flying and

that day will evaporate at the Date Line.

Happy B'Day. You celebrated a day early when u made the "house call."

Tell the girls at work that I miss them.

FREUD
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on August 22, 2011, 11:45:51 PM
Best birthday wishes to the charter member and co-founder of the Trans Oceanic Telecaster Society (TOTS).

See you on the salt - sooner than later - just need to determine whose salt it shall be.

 :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Freud on August 22, 2011, 11:59:46 PM
Midget......you are an experienced ice cream eater. Not a single drip on you new white formal wear shirt with the cuff links.

Over dressed but impressive.

FREUD

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on August 23, 2011, 12:10:16 AM
Midget......you are an experienced ice cream eater. Not a single drip on you new white formal wear shirt with the cuff links.

Over dressed but impressive.

FREUD


If a Dean Jeffries flying eyeball T-shirt and cargo shorts is over dressed, I plead guilty.

And it's tough to fabricate a french sleeve on a T-shirt- just ask my wife.

I'm a vain man, my friend - very vain . . .    :-D

Sure you're not thinking of Stainless?  :roll:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Freud on August 23, 2011, 12:26:30 AM
No way. Stainless had a stream of chocolate down his front.

FREUD
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on August 23, 2011, 06:02:50 AM
I have been to the edge of the known world, and beyond.The last two weeks has been,in real terms like a year for me.....sounds far out, but it's true.

I met this guy.

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/DrGogglesandFreud.jpg)

we got along , just fine..........

apparently he's been there before If I was to believe what he told me, If I am to believe what another guy in the burbs of San Diego told me they have secrets that will die with them..... Simon (DPS) Davidson captured this with a special type of truth film......

It was slightly overexposed and overdeveloped.... :wink:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on August 23, 2011, 08:35:04 AM
You're absolutely ruined now. Aren't you?  :-D By the way, my Triumph started on the second kick after Grumm worked his magic on it. See you again, my friend.  :cheers: Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on August 23, 2011, 09:24:34 AM
By the way, my Triumph started on the second kick after Grumm worked his magic on it.

Word on the street is he can fix a rainy day - if you can get 'em the parts.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on August 23, 2011, 10:12:38 AM
Speaking of which. I find myself in Flagstaff Az and needing
To be at home. With two tyres that need to go to
Bub. And a room at the motel 6 that I no longer need
Any ideas anyone.
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on August 23, 2011, 10:39:01 AM
Speaking of which. I find myself in Flagstaff Az and needing
To be at home. With two tyres that need to go to
Bub. And a room at the motel 6 that I no longer need
Any ideas anyone.
G
Call me on my cell phone. It's the 626 number. Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on August 23, 2011, 10:43:18 AM
Grumm, you should be able to just cancel the room. You might check with Greyhound Bus about shipping the tires. Wayno
I'm showing about $50 and 24 hours from Flagstaff to Wendover with Greyhound. YMMV.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: PJQ on August 24, 2011, 12:38:29 AM
What'ya need done over here... or whom should we take care of 8-)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: maj on August 24, 2011, 02:39:06 PM
G just UPS to  us in Cali if you cant get it sent to the salt easily
925 978 7692 txt or call
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on August 24, 2011, 09:20:13 PM
Thanks All

It's all good.
I dropped the aforementioned tyres with some one who is going to El Mirage. Greg, unless I'm mistaken, I thought I heard you say you would be there. So I'll organize that when I'm more organized here. And less tired
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on August 25, 2011, 12:09:12 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76LbvnoIDkE

Jeez  I am addicted---I can't visit the ABT without going by page 133 and getting my daily fix!!!!
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on August 25, 2011, 09:58:13 AM
I'm home, still trying to get the sleep thing sorted.

You'll get a laugh out of this one Bill.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaEzT5MusFs

later
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: maj on August 25, 2011, 10:02:20 AM
Yep we will be there , leave them my number to be sure we get the tires, as we will be hot footing it back to WOS from sunday eve
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on August 26, 2011, 03:36:54 AM
Hey Greg , thanks for all the effort, I'd said to Grumm to ditch 'em if it was inconvenient but it seems Kiwi Steve wasn't too far out of the way....hopefully they'll find their way back.

On the flight home the ring and pinion that was the other item that Sparky lugged to Wendover for me ended up in Simon's camera case.....I was loaded to the gunwhales with stuff and had to pay extra as it was....

Now, before it gets too old .

I had a great time at Bonneville.

We arrived on the Friday and just arriving there was an emotional experience itself. The immediate size of it all and the familiar  backdrop made my eyes water.

The most important thing though was the people I met. I met some genuine heroes of mine, they are heroes to me ,I won't name them here. But I also met a lot of people who have been very helpful to me over the years for no real reason other than they love the sport and they liked our car.As it turns out they were all great guys who I felt I'd known for years of course.

I'll start with my spiritual guide Freud , 100%.

Sparky, Wayno, Stainless and Chis Conrad you guys are the tent pegs of my salt tarp it seemed like we already knew each other well, from a beer in the Peppermill car-park at 1am , to a flight over the salt, a perfect t-bone in back-yard Utah and an impromptu jam in the White Goose Bar I felt very welcome.

To all the other people here who I'd never met , the Langlo's,Jon and Nancy, Dan, Rex, T-man, Don,Mike Manghelli, Rick, Kepner!, Sherry, Linda lovely Linda, Sherry Buchta,Fred ,Buddy, Bobby, Sid, Steve ,Tom,Gord and yes even you people I can't remember right now each and every one of you astounded me by how welcoming, accepting and polite you all were.

Thanks a million.

Now, the real buzz for me was something that had been bugging me for a long time. Jack Dolan's health has been poor for some time now and he hasn't been a contributor here for a few years. I asked every SDRC memebr I saw to no avail and was starting to think it was beyond me but then Freud called up Sammy at home in San Diego and she said " send 'em over".I was crippled by a whole bunch of conflicting emotions. Most importantly I wanted to tell Jack that it was he who'd made us feel that what we were doing was important, and it was that that kept us going but just as importantly I wanted to thank him for his absurdist take on the rigid attitude that so many people take and the simple lateral approach that he had used to such success.

I got to do that and it made everything worthwhile.

We spent nearly three hours there, it was great.........yeah, I have to send him a print of this pic...
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/Tankshotssep006.jpg)
but I'll be sending him a bit more than that



Thanks Pa.



Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Tman on August 26, 2011, 10:23:06 AM
I will bring more of that fine IPA next year! :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Freud on August 26, 2011, 11:22:26 AM
Four Door, meetin' you was sorta like meeting your Mom's half cousin. Reluctant anticipation turned out OK when she wore calf high lace

up leather boots and  drank beer from a rusty coffee cup.

Can't wait for you to return.  Good on Ya.

FREUD

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on August 26, 2011, 01:23:17 PM
One of the best parts of the trip was when Grumm mistook some dried lawn clippings in front of my shed for Burronium which is found in nature coming from the South end of a Northbound Burro. My rapid and accurate dismissal of such a notion was based on the fact that I have no Burros in my possession at this time.  :roll: Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on August 26, 2011, 11:54:01 PM
One of the best parts of the trip was when Grumm mistook some dried lawn clippings in front of my shed for Burronium which is found in nature coming from the South end of a Northbound Burro. My rapid and accurate dismissal of such a notion was based on the fact that I have no Burros in my possession at this time.  :roll: Wayno

Are you sure
It looked like Burronium to me.
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on August 27, 2011, 12:14:58 AM
One of the best parts of the trip was when Grumm mistook some dried lawn clippings in front of my shed for Burronium which is found in nature coming from the South end of a Northbound Burro. My rapid and accurate dismissal of such a notion was based on the fact that I have no Burros in my possession at this time.  :roll: Wayno

Are you sure
It looked like Burronium to me.
G
Don't be so sure. It was Burroniumish at best. You Australaisians are wont to think everything is Burronium. Just ask a Milwaukadonian Like Chris.  :cheers: Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on August 27, 2011, 12:24:35 AM
One of the best parts of the trip was when Grumm mistook some dried lawn clippings in front of my shed for Burronium which is found in nature coming from the South end of a Northbound Burro. My rapid and accurate dismissal of such a notion was based on the fact that I have no Burros in my possession at this time.  :roll: Wayno

Are you sure
It looked like Burronium to me.
G
Don't be so sure. It was Burroniumish at best. You Australaisians are wont to think everything is Burronium. Just ask a Milwaukadonian Like Chris.  :cheers: Wayno

When I worked the Wisconsin State Fair, we referred to that as "Shoe Polish".

Milwaukadonian?  I've been called a lot of things in my life - but that's a first!  :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on August 27, 2011, 12:42:54 AM

Chris sed "Milwaukadonian?  I've been called a lot of things in my life - but that's a first! "
Stick around. You have no Idea with whom you are dealing.  :-D Fer the record, I am proud to call you my friend.  :cheers: Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on August 27, 2011, 12:59:42 AM

Chris sed "Milwaukadonian?  I've been called a lot of things in my life - but that's a first! "
Stick around. You have no Idea with whom you are dealing.  :-D Fer the record, I am proud to call you my friend.  :cheers: Wayno


To my beverage brewing, harp huffing, Utahonian friend - I'm humbled.  Thanks!  :cheers:

I'm thinking I'll have some single hive mead ready for you when we meet again . . .
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on August 27, 2011, 05:22:59 AM
OK, enough of the touchy feely.......... I got home and once I'd dealt with the jet lag( I spoke in tongues, moved my eyes independently of one another and dribbled for a bit,) I played a gig last night ,I'd be lying if I said I wasn't a little out of sorts......I picked up a guitar on my way through LA to Bonneville and just because I'm a crazy risk taking type of guy I bolted the neck back on post transit, strung it up and took it to the gig .......to be honest I was just bringing it home to sell to cover some travel costs, turns out it's a keeper....something else in the collection will have to go on the block instead. The gig was a blast, the girls have insisted that from now on I have to be sleep deprived and in another time zone if I'm to be playing lead with them.......

Anyway, my return home from Bonneville wasn't without it's own special significance, I saw some things that inspired me no small amount......some of it was the less obvious....... I spoke to the owner/builder of this little Honda 200 quad based tank but right now I can't find his details.....any help would be much appreciated....


(http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd35/Jarman-Stewart/165GalTank.jpg)

anyway, guess what I started today? well for starters I got out the GoPro for a bit of time-lapse

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/GOPR3075.jpg)

and started dismantling the Prefect chassis
(http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd35/Jarman-Stewart/GOPRprefectgrinder.jpg)
...so I didn't use the cold chisel for every rivet

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/GOPR3182.jpg)

if you look closely you can see the fillings in my back teeth...
(http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd35/Jarman-Stewart/GOPRvictory.jpg)
small victory, front and rear separated....

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/GOPR2134.jpg)
to the right there is the Honda V-Twin I've started to prepare for the transplant.....Colonel, get thinkin' Rev, get drawin'....this has to be built in a month......
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Sideshow on August 27, 2011, 06:09:32 AM
OK, enough of the touchy feely..........
Colonel, get thinkin' Rev, get drawin'....this has to be built in a month......

Someone had to say it :roll: Looks like good times had by all :cheers:

A month? Jeebus...
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Moxnix on August 27, 2011, 08:22:34 AM
Anyone have connections in the Reality TV trades?  Dr. Goggles, the Colonel, & The Rev prepping for and coming to Bonneville every year?  I'll trade most of the current ones we have now for one season of that trio. 
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: dw230 on August 27, 2011, 12:54:12 PM
First,

"The hotel welcomes you with two margaritas and two draft beers at the Liberty Bar across the street.  This is Nevada hospitality a notch or two above Bendover."

I can't believe that in 45+ years I have missed this deal. Hard to get the White Goose Bar Caravan(7 vehicles and trailers this year) to stop when we roll.

It was my pleasure to meet our friends from the other Hemisphere. I am so very glad I didn't miss this group. Lets make sure we spend more time together next time. Let me know the evening plans so I can join up after I leave the salt.

We are easy to find, the last American flag as you head out to lands end.

DW

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on August 27, 2011, 02:29:26 PM
Anyone have connections in the Reality TV trades?  Dr. Goggles, the Colonel, & The Rev prepping for and coming to Bonneville every year?  I'll trade most of the current ones we have now for one season of that trio. 

The big trick would be finding someone who could translate for the closed captioning . . . :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on August 27, 2011, 08:42:29 PM
OK, I skipped church this morning.........

I started by taking off the spring mounts....front ,
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/P8280083.jpg)

then rear...
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/P8280084.jpg)

Then I got a piece of angle to clamp the ends to......

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/P8280086.jpg)

couldn't find a string line....
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/P8280087.jpg)
chucked the tank bottom on for a look..hmmmm,
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/P8280088.jpg)

Next I had to separate the frame rails....occupational health and safety warning here: potential hazard involving waking people up as it's still before 9 on a Sunday morning

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/P8280089.jpg)

Now for a trial ...they fit best backwards as I will need a kick up at the front....

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/P8280090.jpg)

yep, that's the job.....

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/P8280091.jpg)

Now , you may be wondering why, when it all looks like it's going so well , I'm sitting at the computer. well I figured it'd be a good idea to get some concrete blocks to sit the wheels on so I could slide the half tank underneath.....they aren't that heavy but something went weird so now my back needs a rest after a bit of a spasm.... anyway, back to the build.............

So after putting it on the blocks and popping the tank underneath It's lookin' like it might be a goer.....

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/P8280093.jpg)

but we're still a long way from home.......

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/P8280094.jpg)

Hey Sparky I caught up with Mark Ferrie the guy in that video you like last night , " Mark you **** I've come to collect, I've got you another 100 or so hits on one of your songs from a link on a car site", predictably he was curious , but a little slow to whip out the check-book.........

Anyone have connections in the Reality TV trades?  Dr. Goggles, the Colonel, & The Rev prepping for and coming to Bonneville every year?  I'll trade most of the current ones we have now for one season of that trio. 

The big trick would be finding someone who could translate for the closed captioning . . . :-D

Next time I come to Bonneville I'll have a little video screen attached to my chest that translates what I'm trying to say into the "lokel" dialect

.....the best bit would be the "making of" video , we're much more polite to each other in public.
OK, enough of the touchy feely..........
Colonel, get thinkin' Rev, get drawin'....this has to be built in a month......
A month? Jeebus...

28 days from today........save the laughter, there'll be some ups and downs in the mean time. :wink:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Sideshow on August 27, 2011, 09:10:53 PM
stroke of luck with the rail profile by the looks :mrgreen:

I give up. 28 days till???
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on August 27, 2011, 10:58:25 PM

I give up. 28 days till???

The Chopped Rod and Kustom Show at Newstead..... http://www.chopped.com.au/category/events/

With the rails sitting about where I thought they should be I did a quick check , admittedly I'm not all that familiar with one but there's a first time for everything so I got out a tape measure..... you might notice it is in millimetres , they are units used to measure cheese but for now they'll do just fine.....

180 here....
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/P8280095.jpg)

hang on, 180 here too.....
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/P8280096.jpg)

Now, let me guess, 180 there too?...now that's just gotta be a coincidence... :cheers: :cheers:

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/P8280097.jpg)

......after that little success I took of the cable brake gear so as to get a clearer run at things......
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/P8280098.jpg)

more to come......
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on August 28, 2011, 08:22:25 PM
So you put it together backwards, and it all measures up square!?!?

Makes one wonder if Ford did something wrong the first time around!  :lol:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on August 28, 2011, 08:46:03 PM
I got a little further into it yesterday before an old mate from interstate dropped in unannounced which was good ,and bad, because i was "in the zone".......

here's the front of the rails set up giving me an idea of where to set the perch up.....

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/P8280100.jpg)


I had a choice of using either of them because I probably won't suspend the rear....the advantage of the rear version is it is a bit flatter, but at the same time it is a little broader and the U bolts are spaced a bit wider.

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/P8280101.jpg)

Here I've notched out the frame rails onto the perch. In a handy turn of events there is a heavy piece of plate used as the shock mount inside the rail that you can see for the rear axle so I worked it so that would be the part that I weld to the perch........and no, that is not the finished arrangement, I'd hope to at least get the gaps in the region of an inch :roll: :roll:

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/P8280102.jpg)

I haven't got any gas for the hot wrench so I'll be waiting til next weekend to split the wishbone, no I'm not going to pie cut it....I just don't like the idea of that, it looks crummy and there's the dressing up of the welds whereas I've seen these 'bones ( they're half the weight of a Full size 36 Ford or the like) just done with a torch and they look natural and are plenty strong as long as they cool slowly.

I will have to run the drag link straight through the rails but I'm yet to decide exactly how I'll set up the Steering box....
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on August 28, 2011, 10:12:25 PM
Thats the best use of a Ford 10 I've ever seen, I think the Pom's built em to be a donor.
Looks like the Holden tree is coming along pretty good mate, must be feeding it the right brew.
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on August 28, 2011, 10:39:14 PM
Thats the best use of a Ford 10 I've ever seen, I think the Pom's built em to be a donor.
Looks like the Holden tree is coming along pretty good mate, must be feeding it the right brew.
  Sid.

Yep
They grow on trees around Sunshine
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on August 29, 2011, 12:13:04 AM
Looks like the Holden tree is coming along pretty good mate, must be feeding it the right brew.
  Sid.

Yeah I use a bio-dynamic mix of diff oil and schutz and mulch it with broken Ford parts, but the big news is yesterday I harvested it and put the crop away to cure...... that translates to ...."can you take those grills off the fig tree and put them behind the shed, PLEASE"
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on August 29, 2011, 12:43:36 AM
Tough being an autohorticulturistst these days.

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on August 30, 2011, 12:26:57 PM
If it ever dies, you could cut it up & have Kingswood for the fire place. Most people over here won't catch the pun in that one mate.
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Lynchy on August 30, 2011, 09:31:28 PM
That would be a "Premier" piece of wood..... :roll:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on August 30, 2011, 09:38:27 PM
Those aussies are holden nothing back . . .
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on August 31, 2011, 12:11:44 AM
If it ever dies, you could cut it up & have Kingswood for the fire place. Most people over here won't catch the pun in that one mate.
  Sid.

Sid, you've got the gig. No probation period , you're part of the crew .

You did say though...."if it ever dies".......as the colonel said once " how do you get rid of a fig tree?...............you move"

I chop the blazes out of it every year and it rises to the challenge and grows like bamboo, I was hopingthat those panels would grow into it but the co-director didn't share my aims there........ HJ /HZ parts aren't so valuable yet.


Those aussies are holden nothing back . . .
Hey Bronze Fonz ,we're talking holy words here I don't want you "general-izing"....now, I'm a Statesman( look it up) but if you take our Marque in Vain you'll be between the DeVille and the dead fig-tree.

 :wink: :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on August 31, 2011, 09:05:33 AM
Eeeeeeeeeek.  :-P Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on August 31, 2011, 11:30:43 PM
Lynchy's on to it, no fff...( oh, cant say that :evil:) surprise there. "Premier fire wood", not sure it wood burn.
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on September 01, 2011, 12:21:26 PM
If it ever dies, you could cut it up & have Kingswood for the fire place. Most people over here won't catch the pun in that one mate.
  Sid.

(http://i361.photobucket.com/albums/oo58/milwaukeemidget/kingswoodestate.jpg)

If this is what gives the king wood, I'd hate to meet the queen.

It would appear that stateside, the king had an unnatural fondness for decorative luggage racks, whitewall tires and faux veneers.

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on September 01, 2011, 11:38:05 PM
posted on my facebook today---got 7 more---MF----is going to owe you BIG TIME!!!
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on September 02, 2011, 12:00:38 AM
Hey Sparky, you're on FB?...... I'm loving the new Ratical build, I'm employing some of your bingeneering techniques, rather than the CAD bible we had open for the build of the SOS........structural analysis on the Sprite of Sunshine involves taking three steps back squinting a bit and saying yes , or no.

I had Craig "The Professor" Watson a good mate who's a real hot-rodder over last night. I haven't kept a pair of oxy-acetylene bottles for a while and he was happy to bring his over.He gets around in an unmolested '56 F truck, he seemed quite surprised when I told him he could probably get a good price on it as a trade in and get himself into something decent.

We heated up the radius rods on the Prefect chassis and bent them out to the edge of the tank perimeter, took a fair bit of heat but it looks good , I left them just a little shy so they'd have a little load on them when they're done up. At the last minute it occurred to me , as they are tiny little things,that rather than cut the wishbone part off completely so I was left with just empty pipe I cut it back a little longer leaving two inches of the forging in the end of them, that means rather than weld a nut into the end of them I will just drill and tap a 7/16 hole into the end of the solid and thread in a heim joint, noice!

Craig seemed pretty happy with the look of it all and despite being a flathead man he saw the hot-rod sensibility in what I'm trying to achieve, an engine/gearbox/clutch package that's ten inches deep? perfect.........

Back at it tonight.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Freud on September 02, 2011, 12:31:15 PM
Do "The Girls" portrait..................

Then forward to Simon and Eye.

FREUD
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on September 02, 2011, 09:55:48 PM
I have what has been described by the resident physician as a "man cold", I ache all over and this morning coughed up an advanced life-form, I waited til the cold and flu capsules had seemed to have taken some effect and wandered out to the laboratory...firstly here's a shot of the radius rods we bent on Thurs night

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/P9030103.jpg)

As I said I didn't bend them all the way so they'd have a little load on them when they are done up.

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/P9030104.jpg)

Here's the pinion on the diff, those four holes are going to be handy, I'll use them to mount a plate to support the chain drive on both sides as it comes across from the primary on the bike motor.....I have to extend the cog out about three inches to clear the crank case as the crank will sit on the centreline of the car and the chain will be about a six inch jump

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/P9030105.jpg)

Then I took the rear radius rods off, and the spring , I'll remake the rods, shortening what I have and mount them off the shock lugs that can be seen on the axle...

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/P9030106.jpg)

I'll cut a half moon into the end of the chassis rails and then run a piece of 1" wide strap around the axle tube welding it top and bottom to secure the rail to the axle tube.

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.that's it for today, I'm couch bound.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: 4-barrel Mike on September 02, 2011, 10:52:59 PM
Gogster:

  I must be missing something; looks to me that all you're doing by leaving "a little load" in your split wishbone is to preload a bunch of bind into your spring shackles.  :?

Mike
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on September 03, 2011, 12:35:59 AM
I like ya shop floor mate, looks like the Bremworth is wearing a little thin in places though or is it actually a Victorian shag-pile?
If you spend enough time on a plane with all those foreigners breathing their junk all over ya, you're gunna pick up some sick. Ya just can't trust those bloody foreigners.
Get well soon & get on with it.
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 03, 2011, 09:49:44 AM
Attention Dr. Goggles:

Beieve it or else, we forgot to deliver the t-shirts to you when you made your visit to SpeedWeek last month.  Since it was our error (and for that matter, we forgot lots of things) -- what's your mailing address?  We'll ship them to you soon.  You're welcome to give me the address in confidence - so the spammers and scammers and groupies don't start pestering you.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on September 03, 2011, 05:56:08 PM
I like ya shop floor mate, looks like the Bremworth is wearing a little thin in places though or is it actually a Victorian shag-pile?
If you spend enough time on a plane with all those foreigners breathing their junk all over ya, you're gunna pick up some sick. Ya just can't trust those bloody foreigners.
Get well soon & get on with it.
  Sid.

Bremworth......... :cheers: If I had a shed big enough to fit TWO bellytanks then I'd be working on the "poured by pissed part-timers" slab , but as you see this is a "plen air" job. Whatever it is I caught got a whole lot worse yesterday but is now on the wane It seems, I think the moaning was what knocked it on the head  :roll: :roll:.

Gogster:

 I must be missing something; looks to me that all you're doing by leaving "a little load" in your split wishbone is to preload a bunch of bind into your spring shackles.  :?
Mike

You may well be right Mike but the immediate job here is to slam it together, all of those bushings in that suspension are goosed, when it is together then I can go a tinkering and adress those things that the rushed build didn't , now we all know that could be a long time hence but that's my story and I'm stickin to it....

Attention Dr. Goggles:

Beieve it or else, we forgot to deliver the t-shirts to you when you made your visit to SpeedWeek last month.  Since it was our error (and for that matter, we forgot lots of things) -- what's your mailing address?  We'll ship them to you soon.  You're welcome to give me the address in confidence - so the spammers and scammers and groupies don't start pestering you.

If only there was a way to separate the spammers and scammers from the groupies....then we'd be on to somethin'.....I'll get the address to you Sir SSS.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on September 04, 2011, 01:22:47 PM
Yeah, I know what ya mean mate. I'm a grass roots kinda guy myself, no pun intended. My liner reaches diagonally corner to corner in the shop without the nose & tail.
Reminds me of the days when I started working with Al, way back when we were still in the garage behind his mothers house in San Gabriel. We would take the nose, tail & chute pack off & put them out on the lawn. I have a little more space than that but I have a lot more car.
Glad to hear the demons are leaving ya scrawny little body, i bet ya whit was a little off.
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on September 09, 2011, 01:49:47 AM
Someone hassled me this morning ...." why haven't you put anything up about the trip?"......"well, I'm struggling to get the mag stuff done, and I can't get a laugh out of it, I haven't had time"....

Now, I traveled with Simon Davidson , who, to coin an annoying phrase is " a great artist in his own right"....... he'll hit me for that. I didn't really take a camera, I picked up a GoPro along the way and so I have lots of pics of me trying to turn it on, some time lapse and some other stuff...hmmm, so the only photo's I took were on my phone, now they aren't art but they do convey something....the trip was such a dense sensory experience that there is no sense writing a travel diary, it wouldn't be right... it would be tooo sane and sanitary.....so here as a taster is my phone photo diary, it's the bits that won't be published anywhere else......

We landed at LAX and dashed to the hire lot, Simon saw the opportunity of getting a GT Mustang for $100 a day as silly to walk past, you can't hire a four door family car here for that....now, this photo is obviously AFTER Wendover because I'm unshaven and wearing Gord's Studie shirt but it'll do for now.....

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/22082011026.jpg)

We picked up the GO-Pro from Simon's mate Drew in Venice and went to the "Trashcan"( El Tarasco) for breakfast.... then we were off to Orange to collect a Telecaster that I'd bought on eBay and for Simon to buy some new lenses, this I might add was no small undertaking, one was the size of the Saturn V....we skidaddled outa there and headed for 29 Palms,

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I was having "Breaking Bad" flashbacks as we toured the surrounds and sat on a hilltop to watch the sunset. We returned to the Motel where it was free Taco night, this was to be a continuing theme..........the next day we avoided the Freeway and bolted up to Vegas stopping at Searchlight, for Mexican. Simon had promised a friend we would visit a Tiki bar that he had recommended....
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I had a Martini and then a Mojito, they worked. Then we decided to go an get something to eat, it was late, we ate at a trailer run by a Colombian guy, making Mexican. It was fantastic and cheap....the rest of the lot was taken up by a 24 hour tire joint, we thought that was pretty funny, they didn't....." NO PHOTO!!!!!" Simon was keen on taking some night-time shots of Vegas , I tagged along humming to myself...."   

Can you guess where I'm calling from?
The Las Vegas Hilton
I know it's hard to hear
It's just the echo on the line
Yes, that's right I'm calling from
The Las Vegas Hilton
I just wanna say that I'm feeling fine
.....funny coz I never liked the Little River Band.



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We made it to Wendover the next day after a lazy blast , they make for good cruising those 5.0 Tangs.... now, I didn't find Land's End Lynda until Sunday but here's a photo anyway, You're lookin good Lynda, I just noticed I could lose a bit of the gut.


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Now, losing the gut wasn't gonna happen on this trip. One of the few times we didn't eat Mexican was when we ventured into the deadly buffet at the Nugget, I don't know why. It wouldn't have seemed so overwhelming if it was like not 10pm and I wasn't severely sunburnt and hey, even hungry. Simon didn't miss a beat, he eats like a horse with a herd of tapeworms when he's not hungry, apparently he was hungry. I ambled along behind and added sample size serves to my plate......I stared for a while at the chocolate fountain , you can think up your own jokes for this one.


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I have deliberately avoided as much Speedweek coverage as I can here , but there will be a little. We met Gord Driedger after ogling his beautiful blue 53 Stude. Gord's resolutely casual presentation , cigar, mo and racing suit seemed a great representation of what we liked about the week, here over the scoop of the Ford is the Stude. It's a terrible photo...but like I said...

Each time we saw the Stude I'd ( until Simon began to pre-empt me with ..."yeah, you said") say...."Jeez, that'd make a great street cruiser"

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I've got no idea what I was doing here...why I wanted a shot of that sports bike in the background or what but well there you go, me grimacing, at Wendover....I don't remember ever at any moment thinking I wasn't enjoying myself....so I dunno what this was about.....

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Graham and I got treated to a ride when Stainless and his mate Alan went for a buzz of the flats in Al's 6 seat Cessna, it was just sensational, here Bob and Al argue over the operating instructions for the plane......just kidding , Al was pointing out the restricted airspace surrounding Bonneville, Bob wanted to see the salt further up the lake...........we did get shots of the shadow of plane flying along the main track between the mile markers, no , of course I'm not putting one here....well, maybe later.

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I've made some great friends here on landracing.com and not least among them is Wayno my bellytank brother, hey we're both muso's too what could there be not to like?...here Wayno was showing me the cool bakelite harp holder he'd made....I gave Wayno a pebble from Pendine Sands , I wish you could have seen the look on his hard of hearing face when I first handed it to him.... Wayne spent half the time I was with him turning to the nearest person with that Elmo Rodge grin on his face and saying "What, on earth did he just say?"...granted Wayno ,I talk too fast, I mumble and in a dialect none of you guys understand.....

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Then we met this guy, some of you may know him........great to catch up Jon

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The night after Wendover we stayed at Wayno's in Salina, now just around the corner was this sign that should be on the front of my shed.

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Up the road from Salina was Gunnison , this was the window of the fuel stop.....while I sat there a kid walked up the street with a python wrapped around him, fair enough.

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further up the street we saw this Ponty G8 or something, we know it as a Holden Commodore.....the entire conversation we had with the Salesman about it was lost on him, he's probably still shaking his head....

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/20082011014.jpg)

Leaving Salina we came across Bill Spencer and his lot in Glendale UT..... he was tanned and workin on a factory 409 Chev that the family bought new.......no, no photo of Bill, or the 409, just the busted ones on the hill

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We were in a hurry, we went through Flagstaff, I was humming "Route 66", Phoenix, it was 104 at 10pm and then onto Gila Bend where we stayed at the "Space Age Motel"

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Lo and behold the brekkie menu at the SAM was kinda Mexican, but once again as we'd say "good tucker"....here Simon is having a bad hair day, we were in a hurry yet again to get to San Diego and catch up with Sammy and Jack Dolan.

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We gunned it along the border headed for SD, got looked over by the border guys a few times but waved on each time.

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We spent the last 36hrs in Venice and amongst other things I played this Les Paul, it had stamped on the back" Not for resale"......hmmmm, where did this come from I asked the owner knowing it would be somewhere interesting....." Oh , Mark Ford from the Black Crowes, it's nice isn't it"


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more, later, maybe.......



Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: manta22 on September 09, 2011, 12:46:23 PM
Dr Goggles;

Thanks for the nice photos and travelogue. It was good meeting you at the Salt Talks... I was the tall guy wearing a cowboy hat.

Regards, Neil   Tucson, AZ
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on September 09, 2011, 01:53:21 PM
OK. I take it the trip held up to your expectations?  :-) Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Freud on September 09, 2011, 03:04:06 PM
Did it end 19 miles from Yuma?

FREUD
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on September 09, 2011, 05:14:14 PM
Did it end 19 miles from Yuma?

FREUD

yeah, that was about the time the real photographer said...."if you take one more photo with that phone you can get out and walk..

Dr Goggles;

Thanks for the nice photos and travelogue. It was good meeting you at the Salt Talks... I was the tall guy wearing a cowboy hat.

Regards, Neil   Tucson, AZ

Sorry we didn't get to talk Neil, the salt talks wash-out was all a bit mad, I was just discussing that with Scotty yesterday.....actually it was Stainless who saved our bacon there( he tapped me on the shoulder and said in that mountain drawl " get the f*** outa here, no, now! get the f*** outa here"), I didn't realise exactly how fast it would turn to greasy glass, on the way onto the blacktop in the thick of the downpour we saw a real near miss as a guy on a dirt bike, shorts and nothing else tried to get across, a car coming from the lake missed him by no more than a foot, gravel all over the road ten foot visibilty, it was mayhem.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Tman on September 09, 2011, 07:15:58 PM
Did it end 19 miles from Yuma?

FREUD

yeah, that was about the time the real photographer said...."if you take one more photo with that phone you can get out and walk..

Dr Goggles;

Thanks for the nice photos and travelogue. It was good meeting you at the Salt Talks... I was the tall guy wearing a cowboy hat.

Regards, Neil   Tucson, AZ

Sorry we didn't get to talk Neil, the salt talks wash-out was all a bit mad, I was just discussing that with Scotty yesterday.....actually it was Stainless who saved our bacon there( he tapped me on the shoulder and said in that mountain drawl " get the f*** outa here, no, now! get the f*** outa here"), I didn't realise exactly how fast it would turn to greasy glass, on the way onto the blacktop in the thick of the downpour we saw a real near miss as a guy on a dirt bike, shorts and nothing else tried to get across, a car coming from the lake missed him by no more than a foot, gravel all over the road ten foot visibilty, it was mayhem.

I was already gone by that point and back at our campsite with a soaked tent................forgot I left the back window open! DOH!@#%$
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on September 18, 2011, 05:45:46 PM
After finally waving goodbye to whatever germ had parked itself in my upper body for the last few weeks I recommenced the assault on the Sprite of Sunshine. Just sitting there in the back yard it had been giving me the irrits, knowing it needed just a couple of days of intense work to get it into shape where I could start organizing the important things like the motor......

In the book I should have written called "Workshop Practice for Idiots" there would have been an introductory chapter called "tack welds". When you use something sporadically you gradually and randomly lose skills, often without realising it. The first thing you forget when welding , or not welding is the placement of appropriate tack welds, they should be easy to remove, and they should at least be strong enough to stay there for , aw, five minutes?

No , don't put that tack weld in the corner there where you can't get at it with a disc, no, don't lay a full bead, it's supposed to be temporary............

I think I got a little excited a few weeks back, everything just seemed to fit right. Well that was until I started to dismantle things a little more, the radius rods, the tie rod.......each piece that came off was a datum point that had made it all make sense. Once I had a front and a rear end, and two rails it sort of went into flux a little bit...that and the bit where I wrote down the ACTUAL wheelbase.... so I had to work it out again.

It took a while to get the laser aligners calibrated but once that was organized I whacked it on the chassis jig.

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I welded it in all the places that I couldn't easily get a cut off wheel into and then took it back to the tank....

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/P9170133.jpg)

I'd made a start on stripping out the bottom section of the tank as it was going to be cut time soon...

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/P9170125.jpg)

It left me with a few bulkhead pieces...one of them has "Front bottom" written on it....

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Turns out I was still shooting a little wide and would have to narrow the chassis at the front....you'll also notice I was about to have a bit of an interference problem where the front axle was getting chummy with the rails.I haven't any photos but the  chassis got notched there and reinforced with some heavy angle...

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/P9170132.jpg)

After that it was time to get the rear end into some sort of shape, I'll cut some pieces of 1/4 plate and sandwich the rail and weld the 1/4 to the axle tube

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/P9170134.jpg)

Looking better from that end....

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/P9170135.jpg)

It was at about this time that the Reverend turned up.... I was cutting clearances out of the tank skin.....

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/P9170136.jpg)

Then I took a bold step and cut a big hole in the top of it....

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/P9180143.jpg)

from there it was just a short step to jumping in it and making brm brm brrrrrm noises.

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yep 5 years old....

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Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on September 18, 2011, 05:51:07 PM
I think the hubcaps should stay.  8-) Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on September 18, 2011, 06:32:42 PM
You know, if it didn't look so damned right, I'd be laughing my ass off.

You on track - time-wise?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on September 18, 2011, 06:56:17 PM
You know, if it didn't look so damned right, I'd be laughing my Acura off.
You on track - time-wise?


Save your breath Lofty, there's heaps of laughs left in this yet.... but, no unless I have some ridiculous productivity burst in the meantime it won't be ready for the Chopped show.... I have to say though the moment I sat in it I thought "ooooh, this could be good, this could be really, really good"....

I think the hubcaps should stay.  8-) Wayno

Yes, the hubcaps will stay, there will of course be some Moons but the caps are cool, and Wayno I dunno if you're yankin my chain or not.............
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: interested bystander on September 18, 2011, 07:25:47 PM
I can see this is going to be one MEMORABLE build.

On behalf of the future driver, is KY Jelly available in the antipods?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on September 18, 2011, 07:32:00 PM
I can see this is going to be one MEMORABLE build.

On behalf of the future driver, is KY Jelly available in the antipods?

Thanks IB...the answer is , of course we have ready supplies of lube......how else do you think I get my head out of my "deuterostome blastopore" in order to get anything at all done.....

 :wink:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on September 18, 2011, 08:17:32 PM
Chain? Me? Heck no. Believe it or don't, I really mean it. By the way, I'm enjoying the mooosic.  :cheers: Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on September 18, 2011, 09:31:53 PM
I can see this is going to be one MEMORABLE build.

On behalf of the future driver, is KY Jelly available in the antipods?

Thanks IB...the answer is , of course we have ready supplies of lube......how else do you think I get my head out of my "deuterostome blastopore" in order to get anything at all done.....

 :wink:

Consulting with the Doctor - Two predominant symptoms:

A tickling sensation in the prostate when one blinks.
Sneezing promotes simultaneous flatulence, sometimes referred to as blow-by.

You might have picked it up stateside - it's pretty common.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on September 18, 2011, 09:53:35 PM
I can see this is going to be one MEMORABLE build.

On behalf of the future driver, is KY Jelly available in the antipods?

Thanks IB...the answer is , of course we have ready supplies of lube......how else do you think I get my head out of my "deuterostome blastopore" in order to get anything at all done.....

 :wink:

Consulting with the Doctor - Two predominant symptoms:

A tickling sensation in the prostate when one blinks.
Sneezing promotes simultaneous flatulence, sometimes referred to as blow-by.

You might have picked it up stateside - it's pretty common.

tough morning, I haven't blinked for the last hour and a quarter, kept a hankerchief handy and had the door propped open just in case.

Chain? Me? Heck no. Believe it or don't, I really mean it. By the way, I'm enjoying the mooosic.  :cheers: Wayno

...played a ripping gig yesterday Wayno,used that black Tele again, that was something good that I picked up in the States.....BTW I did leave a lead in the White Goose Bar.......you can claim it, I'll collect it next time we play together...
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on September 18, 2011, 11:07:38 PM
You know, you could just take what's done to the show on the truck.  I know that when I attend car shows, it's usually the unfinished projects that draw me in the longest, and cause me to think the hardest.

Just a thought.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on September 19, 2011, 04:22:59 AM

Save your breath Lofty, there's heaps of laughs left in this yet.... but, no unless I have some ridiculous productivity burst in the meantime it won't be ready for the Chopped show....

Huh!
Why not?
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on September 19, 2011, 04:37:25 AM

Save your breath Lofty, there's heaps of laughs left in this yet.... but, no unless I have some ridiculous productivity burst in the meantime it won't be ready for the Chopped show....

Huh
Why not
G

Customary to use a question mark after a question, but what the hey,

YOU'RE ON! :evil: :evil:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on September 19, 2011, 06:16:44 AM
YOU'RE ON! :evil: :evil:

On what?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: ben james on September 19, 2011, 06:35:31 AM
stewie,you're getting insaner by the day
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on September 19, 2011, 11:52:18 AM
You don't even have to get it all done - get it to the point where it rolls, take it to the show, and invite a bunch of your droogs to help you finish it there - right in front of everybody.  Then, fire it up and take it on its maiden voyage to the cheers of thousands of adoring fans.

Wait a minute - that plan doesn't work real good . . .
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Freud on September 19, 2011, 01:43:24 PM
Take the car and the Office Girls to the show.

The attendees will ogle the girls and forget the car.

They may appear as avatars in maguromic's posts. WOW ! !

Problem solved until the girls get better offers and split.

FREUD
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on September 19, 2011, 06:06:45 PM
You don't even have to get it all done - get it to the point where it rolls, take it to the show, and invite a bunch of your droogs to help you finish it there - right in front of everybody.  Then, fire it up and take it on its maiden voyage to the cheers of thousands of adoring fans.

Wait a minute - that plan doesn't work real good . . .

They do put on bands at the Chopped Show , but they've never had a slap-stick act before......
Take the car and the Office Girls to the show.

The attendees will ogle the girls and forget the car.

They may appear as avatars in maguromic's posts. WOW ! !

Problem solved until the girls get better offers and split.

FREUD

Someone leaked the program, they're probably sorting through those offers as we speak.....so much for that grand plan....sssssshhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Tman on September 19, 2011, 06:15:12 PM
Somehow Tonys avatars always enter the conversation!?!?!? :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Freud on September 19, 2011, 08:16:43 PM
Tman......that's the tall and the shorts of it.

FREUD
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Tman on September 19, 2011, 10:12:20 PM
Tman......that's the tall and the shorts of it.

FREUD

The really short shorts! :cheers:  Notice how they are always smiling?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on September 21, 2011, 12:15:56 AM
The night before last I went at it with the propane torch. If you notice in the pics above it has remnants of black paint sort of looking stuff on it, there is some filler and then the black stuff, dunno if it's old tar or worse, it smelled like creosote....anyway in it's former life as a pontoon the tank was obviously "cleaned up" at some point which involved a bit of bondo and a coat of something to seal it. Now, it's not getting a show finish but even for me the top section looked pretty tatty so I gave it the FLAME!

A torch knocks that crap off in no time flat, it was a slightly hairy operation as everything that came off was molten/flaming.....now all the bondo is gone and so is the black stuff...I'll give it a rough over with a randomn orbital and it should clean up OK.

Another little thing. On weekend I was visited by Geoff Izzard and his dad Ken( they've been around before), Ken was likely the first person in Australia to build a car using a bellytank when he built a "special" in the fifties that he ran in anything he could enter it into. He used the tank pointy end first, but we'll forgive him for that . It's an honour to have been able to get to know Ken. Geoff brought him around because they'd seen the "new" build and the excitement was too much....... Ken has offered me some heim joints that he had "lying around" to use on the little tank, now you all know I'm the sentimental kind so of course accepting parts from the first Aussie tank builder was a no-brainer....

Last night I got the torch out again for a bit more of a go at the bits of filler and goop, then I gave the top section a few taps.....it seems to be about 12 guage plate used in it so it needs a bit of encouragement, it looks a little more serviceable now, but as you of course know there is no end to the amount of time you can put into a piece of steel that is in a different shape than it's supposed to be.

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: landsendlynda on September 24, 2011, 04:03:30 PM
By the way, I'm enjoying the mooosic.  :cheers: Wayno


So am I!!  Thank you so much for the CD!!!  I'm likin' the look of that big head poking out of that little hole...kinda reminds me of a prairie dog sticking its head out of its burrow!!!

Lynda

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on September 25, 2011, 06:16:14 AM
By the way, I'm enjoying the mooosic.  :cheers: Wayno
So am I!!  Thank you so much for the CD!!!  I'm likin' the look of that big head poking out of that little hole...kinda reminds me of a prairie dog sticking its head out of its burrow!!!Lynda

Thanks Lynda,the pleasure's mine.

Now, it's been a busy two days....the landscape hasn't changed a whole lot, but there's a lot more stuff nailed down.

This could not be a more different affair than the Spirit of Sunshine's born in CAD gestation .......this is ...Cut to fit, weld , drive.

Yesterday I boxed the rear of the chassis and sorted how I was going to attach it to the rear axle. I gutted the motorbike and got the engine sitting in the rails and some rudimentary mounts arranged...

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/P9240157.jpg)

I gave myself a nice burn and at same time reminded myself of some little safety adages that really don't seem to change , no matter how long you've been away... Welds are hot,skin , particularly areas like the inside of the arm, face feet, back of knees are really really sensitive....foundry gloves, leather sleeves...yeah, I've got 'em....but here's a gem that I remembered while I was looking at the area 4 inches up from my hand that was missing a big piece of skin. " When you are doing a series of beads in an irregular area, like for instance,a roll cage, or even a CHASSIS work toward yourself.....that means you'll never be leaning over a red hot weld, or resting your arm on it.

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/P9250171.jpg)

Today The Colonel and PJQ came over . It was all stations go Pete got busy sorting out some engine mounts Graham set to sorting the wiring for the motor. I went at the front end. I managed to nail the chassis, finish welded that and then turned to the steering box.

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/P9250166.jpg)

I managed to get the mount worked out and then commenced cutting the steering column. Like an idiot I turned the shaft and it would out of the worm ....cutting a long story short it required some intervention from the Colonel, a wash and a bit of farnarkling before we got it to work properly again, good one Goggles. I shortened the tie rod....flipped the drag link upside down and it was starting to get going. Pete had the motor mounted in such a way that we'll be able to tension the chain, he also cut up the mesh from the air box and made some little covers for the velocity stacks. Grummy had the wiring pretty well sorted at this stage and so we tried cranking it, we didn't have a fuel tank so I armed myself with a squeeze bottle of gasoline and a can of aerostart.....so when the velocity stacks caught fire, and the aerostart, and my hand.........eventually it fired and sounded ( without any exhaust on it )like a golf ball been shaken inside an empty can, not exactly "tough".

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/P9250164.jpg)

There still isn't any chain on it yet, The Colonel took the spline sleeve from the pinion and hopes to hog out the inside of a 14 tooth sprocket to weld to it. Here you can see me holding the piece of pipe against the primary sprocket which is what it will be welded to, stepping it out to meet the pinion which will have the cog welded on the spline sleeve.

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/P9240159.jpg)

I've got about an hour and a half of daylight after work each night and then Saturday , I'll try and get to the show Sunday......busy week....



Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on September 25, 2011, 10:37:05 AM
Hey, Cowboy - You're building a tank, not a branding iron.

One of the reasons I got rid of my welder - other than I'm no good at it - is that last winter when I was welding the spline on my steering shaft, I caught the back of my arm with a spark, instantly reacted, and cracked my coconut on the roll cage.

Midget or "Sprite", the confines are tight. 
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on September 25, 2011, 10:54:19 AM
Midget or "Sprite", the confines are tight. 
I'm a poet
I know it
Hope I don't blow it
 :cheers: Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on September 25, 2011, 11:09:41 AM
 :cheers:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76LbvnoIDkE
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on September 25, 2011, 01:44:30 PM
Midget or "Sprite", the confines are tight. 
I'm a poet
I know it
Hope I don't blow it
 :cheers: Wayno

The feet of a poet,
Inevitably show it
In case you don't know it
Their Longfellows

(size 15, in my case)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Tman on September 25, 2011, 02:11:02 PM
Midget or "Sprite", the confines are tight. 
I'm a poet
I know it
Hope I don't blow it
 :cheers: Wayno

The feet of a poet,
Inevitably show it
In case you don't know it
Their Longfellows

(size 15, in my case)

How in the heck do you fit a 15 in the Midget!?!?!?!? :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Glen on September 25, 2011, 02:45:09 PM
Make a bigger foot box!!! :roll:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: desotoman on September 25, 2011, 02:49:24 PM
Midget or "Sprite", the confines are tight. 
I'm a poet
I know it
Hope I don't blow it
 :cheers: Wayno

The feet of a poet,
Inevitably show it
In case you don't know it
Their Longfellows

(size 15, in my case)

How in the heck do you fit a 15 in the Midget!?!?!?!? :-D

You use a Widget.

Tom G.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Moxnix on September 25, 2011, 05:46:00 PM
Ask Wayno!
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on September 25, 2011, 05:59:38 PM
Hey, Cowboy - You're building a tank, not a branding iron.

One of the reasons I got rid of my welder - other than I'm no good at it - is that last winter when I was welding the spline on my steering shaft, I caught the back of my arm with a spark, instantly reacted, and cracked my coconut on the roll cage.

meh, I've been burning myself with welders since I was 11 and the hot slag down the inside of my shoe incident, whole lot got airborne as it came off in one go...my dad was laughing so hard he could barely stand up, that stung. When I was six my teacher rang home and asked if I'd really been using power tools.... :roll:

Hey, I was just reading those replies.....is it beer night over there?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 25, 2011, 06:14:44 PM
Chris, oh Chris, how can I hold back?

"Their Longfellows"

You meant "They're Longfellows", didn't you?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on September 25, 2011, 07:11:44 PM
hahaha a spelling bee on beer night.....


I got the shirts Slimbo,

over and out, Jimbo........


 :roll:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Freud on September 25, 2011, 08:07:48 PM
Put the shirts on the girls for a foto shoot.


FREUD
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on September 25, 2011, 08:41:31 PM
Put the shirts on the girls for a foto shoot.
FREUD

I sense you're might' annoyed
'cause with your mind I've toyed,
The shirts won't fit their
womanly bits
and trust me fERD , I'v tried.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Freud on September 25, 2011, 09:15:36 PM
Now that you have explained, just skip

the shirts and show their skin.

DrF
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on September 26, 2011, 01:01:27 AM
Chris, oh Chris, how can I hold back?

"Their Longfellows"

You meant "They're Longfellows", didn't you?

That was a stream of consciousness, ironic interpretation, they're, Wordsworth.

 :roll:

Oh, who am I kidding - I farkled it up.  :oops:

Hey, I was just reading those replies.....is it beer night over there?
The only major city in the United States that has more taverns per capita than Milwaukee is Las Vegas.  So yeah, it's beer night over there, and over their, and over they're, and - oh, gosh, I'm getting dizzy . . .
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on September 26, 2011, 11:28:28 AM
Put the shirts on the girls for a foto shoot.
FREUD

I sense you're might' annoyed
'cause with your mind I've toyed,
The shirts won't fit their
womanly bits
and trust me fERD , I'v tried.

Now that you have explained, just skip

the shirts and show their skin.

DrF

Yep, if you can't get the shirts on the girls because the parts won't fit, just put the girls on the shirts and take fotos... send them the Freud, I'll get a copy sooner or later...
There they're theirs...
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on September 26, 2011, 06:49:14 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76LbvnoIDkE

If Ms Fletcher falls  I am sure James would expect to record it and post it here for all to see with the new camera that I recieved today----thanks man!!!  :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on September 26, 2011, 07:14:32 PM
If Ms Fletcher falls  I am sure James would expect to record it and post it here for all to see with the new camera that I recieved today----thanks man!!!  :cheers:

Just by way of explanation peoples Sparky has been very very helpful to us over the last few years. He marshalled the parts we needed to build the 10 bolt Torsen rear end that we now have and has also thrown in ring gears and various other parts, then picked up some tires for us earler this year, it was really great to have had the advice and the on the spot help, priceless. Thing is when I tried to pay him for the out of pockets on it he wouldn't have a bar of it. I just got payback.

Now Bill go to www.photobucket.com and open an account  so you can upload photos that we don't have to click on .

Lookin forward to seeing more shots of the build.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on September 28, 2011, 06:28:05 AM
I had a time in lieu day off today.....just in time for the heavens to open. The Colonel came over and every single thing went, as he kept saying....swimmingly, we'd had an inch and a half of rain in two hours.

I started the day by going shopping , to the industrial zone...bought some rod ends, bolts and the sort of stuff you come away with whenever you go to one of those places, a litre of CRC , that sort of thing.

I got busy sorting out the radius rods after I'd made rudimentary arrangements for the exhaust stubs.

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/P9280173.jpg)

 I plated either side of the rails , I shorted the rear rods and then welded some nuts onto the end of 'em, the fronts just needed a 7/16 hole drilled and a thread tapped into them.Yet to finalize how they will mount.

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/P9280172.jpg)

This is the mount for the steering box, brilliant , it's just that the pitman arm is exactly where I want the drag link to go through the body....

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/P9280174.jpg)

We scrounged a Jag shifter( well I've had it hanging around for years)...it should guarantee that the car will leak oil, rust quickly and the interior will rot out of it in short order.....

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/P9280175.jpg)

We , well Graham got all the electrics sorted out...believe me it was miserable....

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/P9280177.jpg)

I cut the top of the tank, because the motor just sits too high to keep it in one piece...and yeah, we kept going til the light ran out

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/P9280178.jpg)


forecast is bad for the weekend......
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Freud on September 28, 2011, 01:18:17 PM
I turned up the light for you.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on September 28, 2011, 03:33:35 PM
 Mate! & you called me "hard core"!!
Ah, a good ol Ozzy rain, when the sky turns dark green, the rain drops are the size of marbles & the roads turn into rivers.
 I dont miss that at all!
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on September 28, 2011, 05:34:41 PM
I turned up the light for you.

good man , can that thing build a roof?

the forecast this morning said "chance of hail, Saturday"....
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on September 28, 2011, 06:27:41 PM
As you can see , I was prepared for the weather with state of the art waterproof clothing
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: MC 1314 on September 28, 2011, 08:21:51 PM
 :cheers:

G, and I thought those state of the art slickers were only soldd here in South Carolina! lol
Have 2 just like yours.
Bob
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: generatorshovel on September 28, 2011, 08:53:57 PM
I turned up the light for you.

good man , can that thing build a roof?

the forecast this morning said "chance of hail, Saturday"....
We had the "rain rocks" here yesterday Goggs, I had to wear earmuffs while stuck in the shed sorting out the BOV
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on September 28, 2011, 09:13:45 PM
Save your breath Lofty, there's heaps of laughs left in this yet....

Apparently so.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on September 29, 2011, 11:19:46 AM
the forecast this morning said "chance of hail, Saturday"....

Whoa, whoa, whoa - it took me a day to think that one through.

The Aussies have a weather service capable of predicting hail THREE DAYS OUT?

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stan Back on September 29, 2011, 11:24:25 AM
Chris --

You've forgotten that because of the International Dateline, tomorrow is yesterday, or today is tomorrow, or yesterday hasn't happened yet, or something like that.

Stan
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Tman on September 29, 2011, 11:36:01 AM
Chris --

You've forgotten that because of the International Dateline, tomorrow is yesterday, or today is tomorrow, or yesterday hasn't happened yet, or something like that.

Stan

And yet my buddies down there can never give me tomorrows lottery numbers today!
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on September 29, 2011, 05:41:30 PM
No need number you have already wun twenty five milion in Happy Lucky Aussie Gold Mine Lotery, just send account details and we send your prize, send to:

desperateforracebudget@rustyheap.com

Happy Lucky.

   
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: 4-barrel Mike on September 29, 2011, 06:27:08 PM
Rustyheap.com??  What happened to fourdoorsh!tbox.com??  :mrgreen:

Mike
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on September 29, 2011, 06:28:33 PM
No need number you have already wun twenty five milion in Happy Lucky Aussie Gold Mine Lotery, just send account details and we send your prize, send to:

desperateforracebudget@rustyheap.com

Happy Lucky.
Tman - I just got that same e-mail today!

Looks like we BOTH won!

Isn't THAT a coincidence?

I've also got some cash coming my way courtesy of an exiled Ethiopian prince who I loaned some money to in order to clear up a misunderstanding with Lithuanian authorities.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Tman on September 29, 2011, 07:00:29 PM
No need number you have already wun twenty five milion in Happy Lucky Aussie Gold Mine Lotery, just send account details and we send your prize, send to:

desperateforracebudget@rustyheap.com

Happy Lucky.
Tman - I just got that same e-mail today!

Looks like we BOTH won!

Isn't THAT a coincidence?

I've also got some cash coming my way courtesy of an exiled Ethiopian prince who I loaned some money to in order to clear up a misunderstanding with Lithuanian authorities.

Hmm, somethings fishy, mine was a Lithuanian Prince and Ethiopian authorities.............and his name was Bill!?!?!?!
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on September 29, 2011, 07:10:14 PM
Rustyheap.com??  What happened to fourdoorsh!tbox.com??  :mrgreen:
Mike

Still the Figurehead brand in a feeble folio of fundless f#*#-ups.....

now, I just this moment spoke to Simon who is blasting across the country in a convoy of two of the original three cars that left Sydney for the chopped show that starts tonight. A Cusso that they were travelling with renovated it's bottom end and got parked in Tarcutta.

A very good friend told me about playing a gig in the Tarcutta pub one night......

" we were just kind of noodling away in the corner there , pretty packed in the pub, absolutely freezing outside.. Anyway this pissed guy staggers over to the pot belly stove and mucks with the controls on it.....in hindsight I think he closed the flu and shut off the air at the bottom at the same time..... It immediately started spewing out white smoke that was so thick you couldn't move it with your hand, let alone breathe it.....people were falling over each other to get out, it took about an hour to clear the smoke enough so that they could re-open the bar. By that time pretty much everyone except the pissed guy who caused it and a few other lost souls had left, I hate Tarcutta"

Another time I was driving with a bandmate from Mullumbimby to Melbourne...about 20hrs if you stay in it. at about 2.30am we arrive at Tarcutta....."is that truck on our side of the road?"......sure was , a prime mover barrelling toward us on the wrong side of the road.....they(about forty trucks) were busy swapping trailers to evade the transit cameras on the highway between Melbourne and Sydney....drive to Tarcutta swap with a truck coming from Sydney , turn around and take his trailer back to Melbourne...... It was this mad hive of activity in this tiny little town...


So anyway...Simon is on his way to the show that I have to admit it will take a miracle if I'm to get the Sprite of Sunshine to......still predicting hail tomorrow.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: 38flattie on September 29, 2011, 07:18:31 PM
I had a time in lieu day off today.....just in time for the heavens to open. The Colonel came over and every single thing went, as he kept saying....swimmingly, we'd had an inch and a half of rain in two hours.

I started the day by going shopping , to the industrial zone...bought some rod ends, bolts and the sort of stuff you come away with whenever you go to one of those places, a litre of CRC , that sort of thing.

I got busy sorting out the radius rods after I'd made rudimentary arrangements for the exhaust stubs.

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/P9280173.jpg)

 I plated either side of the rails , I shorted the rear rods and then welded some nuts onto the end of 'em, the fronts just needed a 7/16 hole drilled and a thread tapped into them.Yet to finalize how they will mount.

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/P9280172.jpg)

This is the mount for the steering box, brilliant , it's just that the pitman arm is exactly where I want the drag link to go through the body....

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/P9280174.jpg)

We scrounged a Jag shifter( well I've had it hanging around for years)...it should guarantee that the car will leak oil, rust quickly and the interior will rot out of it in short order.....

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/P9280175.jpg)

We , well Graham got all the electrics sorted out...believe me it was miserable....

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/P9280177.jpg)

I cut the top of the tank, because the motor just sits too high to keep it in one piece...and yeah, we kept going til the light ran out

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/P9280178.jpg)


forecast is bad for the weekend......


You gents are hardcore- I love it!

Maybe you should make this a multi-purpose vehicle-kind of like the old Amphicar! :evil:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on September 29, 2011, 08:30:15 PM
Buddy sed "You gents are hardcore- I love it!

Maybe you should make this a multi-purpose vehicle-kind of like the old Amphicar! . "

Buddeeeeeeee. Don't encourage them.  :x Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: 38flattie on September 29, 2011, 09:04:57 PM
Buddy sed "You gents are hardcore- I love it!

Maybe you should make this a multi-purpose vehicle-kind of like the old Amphicar! . "

Buddeeeeeeee. Don't encourage them.  :x Wayno

Sorry! :evil:

I forgot who I was talking to!
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on September 29, 2011, 10:01:36 PM
Buddy sed "You gents are hardcore- I love it!
Maybe you should make this a multi-purpose vehicle-kind of like the old Amphicar! . "
Buddeeeeeeee. Don't encourage them.  :x Wayno

Don't forget Moller :evil: :evil:

Just been on the blower discussing options for a fuel tank with Grummy, a quart thinners can with a metal valve stem is looking good, to get it running I need to secure the shift, make a clutch release , make a seat, a firewall, and a brake-pedal....oh yeah and secure the body.

easy peasy........
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: 38flattie on September 29, 2011, 10:05:28 PM
Buddy sed "You gents are hardcore- I love it!
Maybe you should make this a multi-purpose vehicle-kind of like the old Amphicar! . "
Buddeeeeeeee. Don't encourage them.  :x Wayno

Don't forget Moller :evil: :evil:

A flying, hovercraft Amphicar??!!

Sorry Elmo, I gotta say GO FOR IT! Lol! :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on September 29, 2011, 10:43:54 PM

I was keen to turn it into an amphicar, but Goggles has something against propellers!

G

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on September 29, 2011, 10:55:55 PM
Buddy sed "You gents are hardcore- I love it!
Maybe you should make this a multi-purpose vehicle-kind of like the old Amphicar! . "
Buddeeeeeeee. Don't encourage them.  :x Wayno

Don't forget Moller :evil: :evil:

A flying, hovercraft Amphicar??!!

Sorry Elmo, I gotta say GO FOR IT! Lol! :-D
Now that's a whole different story. I'm wicha.  :cheers: Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: hotrod on September 29, 2011, 11:07:29 PM
Quote
A flying, hovercraft Amphicar??!!

Already been done --- Spirit of American salt pond episode
First it was a very fast car, then for a short time it was sort of an air plane, then it pretended it was a submarine.


http://myquartermile.com/loader.php?story=craig

Larry
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on September 29, 2011, 11:32:04 PM
Some days I look at this thread and think to myself..."top effort fella, you've created a magnet for mangle-headed whack-jobs , a speakers corner for the auto-insane"..........then I think again.

Quote
A flying, hovercraft Amphicar??!!
Already been done --- Spirit of American salt pond episode
First it was a very fast car, then for a short time it was sort of an air plane, then it pretended it was a submarine.
http://myquartermile.com/loader.php?story=craig
Larry
everything about Larry's post backs up the best bits of landracing.com . There is a wealth of wisdom and advice here.... and pretty much everything has been thought of, and done, you just need to search the history properly....and finally, no matter how sober or serious someone seems? they've always got a smart crack in 'em somewhere....good call Larry.

Just to add to the Breedlove story...I'm not planning on "setting myself on fire"..........but sometimes the best laid plans.........I'll be whacking some ColdFire in there..........

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on September 30, 2011, 03:58:55 AM
Solved the fuel tank problem with a visit to Bill my friendly dismantler/recycler/hot-rodder......."Bill, have ya got any stationary engine fuel tanks?, rotary hoe fuel tanks?.." "Na James , well yeah, I have but I don't want to sell them".....then, the thrill of the sale/urge to show off his hoard took over....I kid you not he had one that was almost bellytank shaped..."here you can have this on loan"....." na, bulls*** Bill that's too good!" and it was ...straight out of the Jetsons....turns out he had lots..... then he found this, "here that's a gift"......aaaaaand he had the stainless straps,

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/P9300182.jpg)

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on September 30, 2011, 07:26:23 AM
now the big decision:  :?  Do I mount it with or against the "FLOW"  :-o
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on September 30, 2011, 10:20:44 AM
Looks familiar . . .

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/P9300182.jpg)

Two fezes - welded together?

(http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/fiction/music/frankenchrist.jpg)

I knew the Shriner's were involved.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: MC 1314 on September 30, 2011, 01:53:45 PM
Looks like 2 of my small dredge intakes welded together.
Bob
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on October 01, 2011, 10:42:21 PM
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/PA020188.jpg)

Fiat?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on October 01, 2011, 10:54:30 PM
Rain and you are having issues this year.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: ben james on October 02, 2011, 02:27:55 AM
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/PA020188.jpg)

Fiat?
should look good when it's finished,
rat rods annoy me.
& then the fight started :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on October 02, 2011, 09:43:21 AM
Hey, Gang - this was Doc's original post.
  
I thought I had reposted this complete original post and when I went back, I had deleted his complete original post.

James, I'm so sorry about that.  :oops:  

I missed the cut.

The rain came down in a big way when I had about 2hrs of daylight left yesterday, that was it. I couldn't put it on the truck because the drag link wasn't in, the drag link wasn't in because, the body hadn't at that point hadn't been secured,because I'd only just got the radius rods done.....you get the drift. This morning the sun came out....and here is where it stood....
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/PA020184.jpg)

 

I was going to Chopped tank or no tank....the countryside is green after the recent rain( did I mention the rain?)...
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/PA020185.jpg)
 

at one of the on ramps I saw Fat Steve heading on
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/PA020187.jpg)

 

..we traded places at a little bit over the limit for the next 30mins until I got to Castlemaine where I caught up with Simon and Jim-Bob...Simon has just had the 289 in his XM Falcon rebuilt, the boys were a little weary, worse for wear and tear....
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/PA020186.jpg)

 

then we got to the Chopped show, here's Ryan ,one of the co-props of Chopped's 32
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/PA020238.jpg)

 

there was all manner of stuff there, good bad and ugly( in no particular order)....I only stayed for an hour and a bit , I had to leave before I told anyone my Plymouth-weak sob story.... here's a quick selection of the turn up,
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/PA020201-1.jpg)
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/PA020205.jpg)
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/PA020188.jpg)
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/PA020203.jpg)
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/PA020220.jpg)
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/PA020223.jpg)


 

 

 

 

 

 

Ryan at the start of the dirt drags.....
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/PA020197.jpg)

 

the return road, I dunno but that Biscayne looks like it might be crabbing a bit.....

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/PA020207.jpg)



 

On the way home I rang Emu Ben to fill him in on the near miss, yes I was using the hands free, "so, what's goin' on?" he said......

"er, well right now I've got a cop on my clacker with his lights on and I'm fifteen over...."

turns out the cop was in a hurry to get somewhere else, he gave me a dirty look and took off as I pulled over....

I've got a gig this arvo, I have to go.....there's always next year.......
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on October 02, 2011, 10:32:22 AM
An explanation - as a former moderator, I have a few keys on my screen that I never use.  I posted earlier, using an edit feature to inquire about what I think is a Fiat on Doc's post.  I had two screens open, and when I backed out of the original screen, I accidentally deleted Doc's post.  So THAT's how I was able to reference a post that wasn't there.

Dr. G sent me a "wtf" e-mail, and I felt about miserable - I completely messed it up.  Doc re-sent me the original post - a copy of which he had kept in word - very wise.  I re-posted it, and then the pics didn't come up.  So I went back to the Fiat pic, located the image host, and reinserted all of the pics originally posted.

My huge mistake - I own it, and I can't be trusted to not run with scissors.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Freud on October 02, 2011, 12:03:07 PM
You are a pseudo daredevil.

You didn't tell us that your Mom broke the points off of the scissors when she bought them.

FREUD
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Tman on October 02, 2011, 01:19:12 PM
Chris, I have done that moderating on the Jockey Journal as well.  :oops:You should have a restore function :cheers:

As for the Fiat, sorry to see the Aussies have POS ratrod garbage like us. Pestilence spread slower in the dark ages than that crap! hat ever happened to pride in your work...........and taste? :roll:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on October 02, 2011, 04:37:27 PM
aha....big-brother!....actually I didn't have the post saved in Word ( Word!)what I did was use the "back" button until I got back to where the original post showed up and then C&P'd it to word... man do I ever wish my LIFE had a back button........

I thought maybe the Spambot the was on the board last night had somehow hijacked my post...then I thought maybe someone had cracked my super complicated algorithmic password......

No, my mate had tripped over the lead and kicked it out of the socket, phew.

Thanks for all the effort Chris, and no thanks to the auto deleters and the other post edit pests who made it so the edit function was time limited here..... or I could have fixed it myself.......

as you were men. :wink:

ps: yeah Fiat, big cubes....
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on October 03, 2011, 11:03:53 PM
If my life did have a back button I would have been busy last night pressing it until I arrived at the day before I bought my tow truck......

Last week the truck wouldn't start..."r-r-r-r-r,rrrrrr,r-r-r-r"....the battery showed full charge...nope,nope and double nope. It's parked in the drive..between the garage and the gate....three tonnes of immobility with a ute on the back.If I was even close to getting the little tank to finished stage then I needed to be able to start, and move the truck.......

Graham came over we checked the battery under load, I bought another battery, $200. The truck started three times, then last night r-r-r-r-r - - - - - - -r. I pulled out the starter motor, the brushes were very fresh but the whole thing had a smell of death about it...

An auto elec took one look at it today and crossed himself, "chuck it in the bin"

He suggested various things, "buy a new one, find a T3500 swap the motor,....go away".......... If you expect people to fall at your feet don't buy a 30 year old truck........

I just bought one for nearly $260 less than what I'd been quoted by helpful rogues.

So, $530 later I have the same crappy ol truck in the drive..........

Makes hiring look pretty good.

did I actually say that?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on October 04, 2011, 12:07:46 AM

So, $530 later I have the same crappy ol truck in the drive..........

Makes hiring look pretty good.

did I actually say that?

Renting or owning.  ANYTHING.

The ongoing conundrum of the low budget race team.

Personally, I'd have bought Grummy's truck and a couple of ramps.  If you're going to break down, you might as well break big.

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: wobblywalrus on October 04, 2011, 12:09:25 AM
What is happening with the big belly tank?  The star of the show.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on October 04, 2011, 01:10:29 AM
What is happening with the big belly tank?  The star of the show.


I just got the 2.56:1 ring and pinion set which I bought three months ago from a guy in Idaho, then it got sent to Sparky, Sparky gave it to me at Bonneville and then I gave it to Simon (because he had a bigger baggage limit) and he brought it back to Aus, Sydney to be exact.....I caught up with him on the weekend for the first time since..

OK, so now we have that we can start the set up on the rear end, then we can measure up exactly what length axles we need and then we're off. On another front we need a new helmet and a HANS device......

so, there's your answer Bo........
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on October 04, 2011, 05:49:51 AM

Personally, I'd have bought Grummy's truck and a couple of ramps.  If you're going to break down, you might as well break big.


Not my truck????
That was Nicks truck, and thankfully, it's gone
The only thing I have now that's even closely resembles a truck was made in 1941, and is spread all over my yard.
I would have stuck with a trailer
Truck license plate $750+ per year
Trailer License plate $35.00 per year
G
(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc28/grumm441/41.jpg)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Freud on October 04, 2011, 01:18:20 PM
The steering wheel is on the US of A side.

FREUD
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on October 04, 2011, 04:16:51 PM
The steering wheel is on the US of A side.

FREUD

Yep
It sure was
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: wobblywalrus on October 05, 2011, 01:15:06 AM
This summer I was high up in the Warner Mountains and I saw this.  Immediately I said to myself "Those Sunshine fellows could use this."  I remember where it is and I can get it next year and can send it.  Youse guys pays the postage.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on October 05, 2011, 01:51:14 AM
Looks like a bloody good grinder pedestal going to waste to me.......

That's an upsize version of what I used..........

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on October 14, 2011, 10:31:40 PM
In answer to your earlier question about the BIG tank, the Spirit of Sunshine Bo, I did something yesterday. I called Norm Hardinge and asked him roughly how much it would cost to get our car to Bonneville, there are some choices. Wayne Pickles will be taking his HK Monaro to run in C Pro and he has good contacts in haulage in the US, that raises the possibility of freighting the container to Bonneville rather than unpacking it and trailering the cars.Whatever the fine details are the big picture is $$$$$.

I also spoke to someone who gave me a better idea of what I can do axle wise for the rear end conversion ( remember we have axles but the centre point is 40mm to one side compared to what we need). There are stock Ford lengths that are very close to what we need, with a little shimmy sideways (the centre housing) we might be able to use stock lengths.

Elsewhere in the Sunshine Possum park and Bellytank Laboratory I've lost momentum on the Sprite of Sunshine not having any pressing deadline. I have got the body a little closer and have mongrelized the drag link so it clears the pitman arm...

The stance is pretty good.....

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/PA150247.jpg)

The radius rods are sorted, kinda...

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/PA150248.jpg)

Here's the chain drive,I've got a handy bearing on the end of the primary extension....I'll just make a support for the near end of it that bolts to the rail on the right...

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/PA150249.jpg)

been foolin' with the cable brake set-up, gonna need to wheel out the cunningness to get the rears to work neatly, fronts will be a cinch

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/PA150250.jpg)

Although it seems to stick out like anxiety at the swimming sports the motor doesn't actually break the sight line much from the front...

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/PA150251.jpg)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: wobblywalrus on October 14, 2011, 11:43:33 PM
Probably the only way to ship the car over here cheap is to put the tank in a shipping container with a bunch of LSR bikes and everyone splits the cost.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on October 23, 2011, 02:03:56 AM
It's been a mixed weekend.

Yesterday the weather was foul and I had a gig later so I stayed away from the tools. I'm not sure what but something wasn't entirely right this morning, was the after gig kebab?.... I don't know. I went out to make a start, nothing, I wanted to start ......it wasn't the CBF's. If it was the CBF's I wouldn't have even mad it out there...but something wasn't right.I stared at things, started un-bolting the odd piece....nothing jumped up and said "here , do this , ..."

I went back inside, returned to the back yard after skulking around the house.....after I'd done that about ten times I thought , "do one thing, at least"....... So I decided to make a start on the chassis rails where they were a little proud at the front.....the bottom edge of the rails were fouling the tank just where they turned in at the front.

I elected to go a little cut'n'tuck.

I started by cutting a series of verticals, then running a cut beneath them along the bottom lip, the idea being to push the vertical part of the rail in at the bottom.....

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/PA230254.jpg)

In this next one you can see the line , and the bottom of the cuts that have been tapped in. Once tapped in I ran the disc down each cut to open them up again to uniform width. Then I cut the excess you can see here off.

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/PA230255.jpg)

Here , it's all pulled together except the right hand end left to show the distance it was moved in....I've also tapped the bottom up , once I'd peened the ends it was right to weld.

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/PA230256.jpg)

A quick squirt from the hot metal gun and it was all hunky dory.....

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/PA230257.jpg)

I popped the skin back on and it all makes a bit more sense, the seeming inability to get the two pieces of tank aligned is sorted.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on November 13, 2011, 01:30:40 AM
 I got out there today after looking out the kitchen window at the Sprite of Sunshine with one of the back wheels off for the last two weeks.The wheel was off because I needed to take the brake drum off , and couldn't.When I removed the radius rod fittings from the axle flange I'd let one of the bolts fall into the drum, not all the way, just far enough so I couldn't get it. I'd spent that day mostly working on fitting the steering rack. The steering box I'd had from the Prefect went off the end of the sector when we shortened it and after we got it working again it just didn't seem like something that was going to last a long time. There's been a 911 rack hanging around that had been bought years ago with a view to using it when were building the Spirit of Sunshine, I sized it up on the Sprite, nice. I chopped the tie rods and then used a hole saw to make some discs, halved a piece of tube and made the receivers for the eyes on the rack.I've ordered a quick release and will keep my eye on fleaBay for a nice old butterfly wheel or i'll just make one.

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/PB130263.jpg)

The brake drum had proved stubborn, I tried one of those useless three jaw pullers and got it to that point where you're thinking "right about now it's gonna fail and a piece of that is going to end up in my eye". I tapped the drum tentatively, nope. I visited the HAMB and the general suggestion was you needed the right type of puller and a BFH, I rang the Professor..."yeah I've got one I made, but Mick's got it , I'll give you his number"...

So today I thought I'd just make one , it'd be handy. A piece of water pipe and some 5/16 plate. The puller just has to wind in while holding the collar on the middle of the drum.

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/PB130262.jpg)

I'm steadily working my way through the bucket of galvanised 5/8 UNC bolts that were scrounged brand new from a dumpster. :roll: The profile of the drum centre is the shape of the cut out in the pipe

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/PB130261.jpg)

Yes it could do with a little dressing ...anyway, that took me about two hours by the time I stopped to think how to do it and got it all cut out and welded up. After a couple of test fits it slipped over the collar and I started to tighten it up, "erk , hang on , it's not tightening, there something wrong"...........no, it just worked. So that took about fifteen seconds. I spent two hours ferking around with it that weekend, maybe more.Proper tools, yes dad.

The irony was that there was so much gear oil from a leaky seal that its a wonder I couldn't just take it off with my hand, I used some solvent and cleaned up the shoes and drum and put it back together, for the time being I won't be connecting those brakes, just the fronts.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on November 13, 2011, 08:11:59 AM
That looks close to the VW unit I scored off ebay for 30 something---nice center steering  might be a little quick  :? ---but we need to drive with our finger tip anyway  :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on November 13, 2011, 12:40:37 PM
Doc, if I’m wrong, shout me down, but this thinking out loud on the keyboard kind of scares me.

Tough to gauge, and you can’t really tell until the car is fully laden, but how much suspension travel are you anticipating?

With the old setup, the drag link kept everything in the front suspension tied together, side to side.  With this setup, you’ve introduced two new motion arcs, mounted to the frame, that weren’t there before.  And the only way they can give during suspension movement is by changing the steering angle of their respective wheel.
 
In my mind’s eye, I’m looking at the frame straight on from the front, and imagining where the arc of suspension travel might occur – nominally, it will be the center of the axle.  Then I look at the ends of the rack where they are attached to the tie rod ends.  Keeping in mind that the rack is attached to the frame, unlike the drag link, I notice the drop of the tie rod ends from the end of the rack - the new pivot point - to the bell cranks.  Note the angle at which the tie rod ends are approaching the bell cranks on the spindles from the rack.  I’m putting these images together in my mind and seeing two very different arcs that might work together, but only in a very narrow range, and I’m thinking bump steer.

In the grand picture, yeah, the Sprite is not intended for anything other than some fun, but I recall you mentioning grass drags or dirt drags, which is going to jostle the front end around, and the path of least resistance between these two arcs will be through the bell cranks and to you spindles.

I know there are straight axle arrangements with R&P out there, but the ones I recall had the tie rod ends virtually parallel with the horizon line of the spindles.

Am I tilting at windmills, or is there some fundamental understanding I’ve overlooked?  The way it looks now, I think you could go out, jump up and down on the frame, and probably view the change in steering angle while you were doing it.

I'm hoping I’m wrong.  :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Tman on November 13, 2011, 12:48:37 PM
Yes its a sickley sweet feeling when that drum just pops off effortlessly after you messed around for days trying anything but the right tool! Don't ask me how I know!
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on November 13, 2011, 03:36:57 PM
Hey! Nice Rack!
Would've looked better in the red and white car :cry:
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on November 13, 2011, 03:41:50 PM
Doc, if I’m wrong, shout me down, but this thinking out loud on the keyboard kind of scares me.

Tough to gauge, and you can’t really tell until the car is fully laden, but how much suspension travel are you anticipating?

With the old setup, the drag link kept everything in the front suspension tied together, side to side.  With this setup, you’ve introduced two new motion arcs, mounted to the frame, that weren’t there before.  And the only way they can give during suspension movement is by changing the steering angle of their respective wheel.
 
In my mind’s eye, I’m looking at the frame straight on from the front, and imagining where the arc of suspension travel might occur – nominally, it will be the center of the axle.  Then I look at the ends of the rack where they are attached to the tie rod ends.  Keeping in mind that the rack is attached to the frame, unlike the drag link, I notice the drop of the tie rod ends from the end of the rack - the new pivot point - to the bell cranks.  Note the angle at which the tie rod ends are approaching the bell cranks on the spindles from the rack.  I’m putting these images together in my mind and seeing two very different arcs that might work together, but only in a very narrow range, and I’m thinking bump steer.

In the grand picture, yeah, the Sprite is not intended for anything other than some fun, but I recall you mentioning grass drags or dirt drags, which is going to jostle the front end around, and the path of least resistance between these two arcs will be through the bell cranks and to you spindles.

I know there are straight axle arrangements with R&P out there, but the ones I recall had the tie rod ends virtually parallel with the horizon line of the spindles.

Am I tilting at windmills, or is there some fundamental understanding I’ve overlooked?  The way it looks now, I think you could go out, jump up and down on the frame, and probably view the change in steering angle while you were doing it.

I'm hoping I’m wrong.  :cheers:


You're right, but the suspension travel is going to be very minimal, and yes I have been out there jumping up and down on it , with about an inch of travel the wheels deflect about 15 degrees each.....just joking. That spring at the front carried a bit of weight in the Prefect, not so much here and I'll be bump stopping it. The simple way to explain what you were trying to say there is that the radii of the arcs are different.........

Good observation but believe me , the moment I attached that rack to the frame inner voiced were singing "bump steer, bump steer"......yous'll be the first to hear the results.
Nice Rack!
Would've looked better in the red and white car :cry:
G


It's too quick and it takes up too much room........ BTW , it's "Hey!, nice rack"
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on November 13, 2011, 04:10:12 PM
It's too quick and it takes up too much room........ BTW , it's "Hey!, nice rack"

Better
and what's with the comma after the exclamation mark.
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on November 13, 2011, 05:07:00 PM
It's too quick and it takes up too much room........ BTW , it's "Hey!, nice rack"

Better
and what's with the comma after the exclamation mark.
G

Well, in a desperate attempt to steer the conversation away from bump steer I'm grasping for something, anything.........

Might almost be time to start something on the big car, people are starting to take the Sprite too seriously......
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Peter Jack on November 13, 2011, 11:29:58 PM
The normal way to eliminate bump steer with R&P on a solid axle is to mount the rack on the axle. Looks like it might be an issue in this case.

Pete
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on November 14, 2011, 03:54:17 PM
When I mounted the rack I'd spent a bit of time jumping up and down on the spring perch for all the reasons mentioned above so I thought about this, how to demonstrate the movement. But yesterday when the sirens went off and people started running everywhere screaming I thought it best to answer the question....

I measured the track width and then looked at clamping the spring down to check the fully loaded measurement...couldn't find anything that would clamp the suspension down the way I wanted to.I bounced the suspension standing on it, and couldn't see the slightest movement. I would expect, as the steering arms(bell cranks) are trailing that the toe-in would increase as the suspension was compressed.

Then I just got a roll of masking tape and stretched it tightly across the rear of the tires at axle height. Old dried out masking tape doesn't stretch, and it doesn't want to stick to much

I jumped up and down on the frame right above the spring so that it was just bottoming out, the tape didn't even come unstuck.

discuss.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on November 14, 2011, 03:58:00 PM
Unh, if this happened -- "...when the sirens went off ..." - - - how'd you know why people started running and screaming?  Perhaps you might consider changing the comment to "When the sirens came ON..."

Signed Jon, the Comma Cop
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on November 14, 2011, 04:02:51 PM
When I mounted the rack I'd spent a bit of time jumping up and down on the spring perch for all the reasons mentioned above so I thought about this, how to demonstrate the movement. But yesterday when the sirens went off and people started running everywhere screaming I thought it best to answer the question....

I measured the track width and then looked at clamping the spring down to check the fully loaded measurement...couldn't find anything that would clamp the suspension down the way I wanted to.I bounced the suspension standing on it, and couldn't see the slightest movement. I would expect, as the steering arms(bell cranks) are trailing that the toe-in would increase as the suspension was compressed.

Then I just got a roll of masking tape and stretched it tightly across the rear of the tires at axle height. Old dried out masking tape doesn't stretch, and it doesn't want to stick to much

I jumped up and down on the frame right above the spring so that it was just bottoming out, the tape didn't even come unstuck.

discuss.

Shall I say..."When the sirens SOUNDED" :wink: :roll:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on November 14, 2011, 04:06:17 PM
Hey Slim. You might be the comma cop.
But I believe Goggles is the punctuation pedant.
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on November 14, 2011, 07:16:50 PM
Hey, great word, Grumm.  I'm familiar with the derivative -- pedantic -- but haven't run across the root word before.  I thank you for helping my vocabulary.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on November 14, 2011, 07:31:51 PM
Doc, if you're confident with it, I'll stand behind you.

Grummy, what would you consider to be a safe distance?

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on November 14, 2011, 08:19:56 PM
Hey Slim. You might be the comma cop.
But I believe Goggles is the punctuation pedant.
G

Well, maybe one of you educated sorts can point me to the galley gendarmes . . .

(http://i361.photobucket.com/albums/oo58/milwaukeemidget/DSCN4468.jpg)

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on November 14, 2011, 08:36:11 PM
Chrils:  Don'lt tell me thatl you thinkl therle's sometlhing wronlg with that nalme tag.  Want a new and (I hope) corrlect one?  Whyn't you sayl somethilng beflore?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on November 14, 2011, 09:34:56 PM
Doc, if you're confident with it, I'll stand behind you.

Grummy, what would you consider to be a safe distance?

the safe working distance depends on whether you want to be in front or behind, Graham's experience is that there is no safe distance in front.

(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc28/grumm441/P5280033.jpg)

This last few days has really got me thinking....I've been a little lax.....from now on every thing I do will be shiny.....and safe....













n't.





Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Bob Drury on November 14, 2011, 10:45:51 PM
  Oh boy Slim ,if you are the comma cop, I am in deep do-do.
  I already got a P.M. from Stan telling me to drop the comma's after all noun's or he would protest me if I ever get a record.
  As I told Stan, my senior year of High School (1964) coincided with the release of the mini skirt, and  I had to walk with my notebook in front of me, so English, Math, etc. all went in the toilet.................. if you get my drift..........  Bob :roll: :cheers: :roll:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on November 15, 2011, 02:36:08 AM

(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc28/grumm441/P5280033.jpg)


I never should have given him that fire extinguisher.


And I believe  it's A.K.A.

G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on November 24, 2011, 10:30:18 PM
Anyhow. I have the day off today. On a normal day I work at a motorcycle business in Melbourne.
We work on just about anything Italian or English
On any given day I might do a service on an Aprilia RSV4 followed by a Vincent or a Norton
I am their LVT (Licensed Vehicle Tester) We have pretty strict rules over here as to what can and cannot be licensed for use on the street.
And before it's licensed, it has to be inspected by a LVT. The inspection is very comprehensive and we have to take pictures, which we then have to store for seven years. This is pretty funny because the certificate that I issue is only valid for 28 days.
What to do on my day off.
Work on one of my project bikes.
So I'm organizing the parts to get it rolling. I've got some wheels that I had laced locally a few years on new old stock Akront rims
They've been sitting here waiting to go on a bike
Look closely
(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc28/grumm441/Bikes/Lightfootwheel.jpg)
I found 27 cracks in this one
Now I'm going back out to the shed to work on the Belly tank motor
At least if I find a broken bit, it's from abuse on the dyno and not sitting
G  :-( :cry:

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: wobblywalrus on November 24, 2011, 11:25:25 PM
Do you know what happened?  Did someone overtighten the spokes?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on November 24, 2011, 11:33:22 PM
.
And before it's licensed, it has to be inspected by a LVT. The inspection is very comprehensive and we have to take pictures, which we then have to store for seven years. This is pretty funny because the certificate that I issue is only valid for 28 days.
We too have to keep our paperwork for seven years. I figure that if a client returns to a homeless crisis service that whatever you did last time didn't work,I've had some clients five times over the last two years....so as you can see most of our "work" goes in the bin...or ,only about 2% of the shit we throw sticks. But at least we keep the paperwork!!!!!

What to do on my day off.
Work on one of my project bikes.
So I'm organizing the parts to get it rolling. I've got some wheels that I had laced locally a few years on new old stock Akront rims
They've been sitting here waiting to go on a bike
Look closely
I found 27 cracks in this one
Now I'm going back out to the shed to work on the Belly tank motor
At least if I find a broken bit, it's from abuse on the dyno and not sitting
G  :-( :cry:
ouch............
Do you know what happened?  Did someone overtighten the spokes?

I'd say a fat bastard was riding it?

whatcha doin to the motor?????...(see ,I know if I get a reply that the real answer is "nothin'") :wink:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: salt27 on November 24, 2011, 11:52:44 PM
Grumm,
Regarding the the cracks in the wheel, it looks as if the angle of the spokes are pulling the spoke nuts against the side of the hole in the wheel where the cracks are.
Could this be? Maybe it's just an illusion from the camera lens.

Don
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on November 25, 2011, 12:47:09 AM
Little bit of silver paint will fix those cracks...

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on November 25, 2011, 01:46:42 AM
Grumm,
Regarding the the cracks in the wheel, it looks as if the angle of the spokes are pulling the spoke nuts against the side of the hole in the wheel where the cracks are.
Could this be? Maybe it's just an illusion from the camera lens.

Don

Don, you have a good eye
Not only are some of the holes drilled at the wrong angles, I would guess the spokes are a way too tight.
Same guy who lace the wheel, drilled the holes. He claimed to have a jig for drilling the holes.
G

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: ben james on November 25, 2011, 05:09:45 AM
hi stew & grumm,
this will confuse the seppos,
kingswood with the 308 is running, purrs like a kitten.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on November 25, 2011, 06:14:58 AM
Cam timing?
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: ben james on November 25, 2011, 06:23:19 AM
yep & needed to shim up the rocker arms
Title: Yo Ho Ho and a Bellytank full of Christmas Cheer!!!!!
Post by: Dr Goggles on December 22, 2011, 10:49:37 PM
 I'd like to take this chance to wish everyone here a merry Christmas and a happy new year from the Spirite of Sunshine crew.

Thanks for all the great advice, humour and companionship.

It was my first time at Bonneville this year and Grumm's second , he worked, I cavorted sort of....

I met a lot of people , I met a lot of people I knew but had never met, none of them disappointed me, In fact we were treated like royalty by some of the politest and most welcoming people I have ever met. Every day a preconception I had about the USA was changed in a positive way.

Specifically I would like to thank Chris, Wayno, Sparky, Freud and Stainless and Jon for showing us hospitality, guidance and friendship , to Lynda ,Dan and those at the WGB, Don and Gus, Joe A, Kepner,Troy, Keith and Tonya , tequilasaurus Rex Schimmer , Gordy, Dick de Luna and others who took us in or aside and treated Simon and I like long lost brothers we thank you.

The good lady Goggles and I are getting married in March next year and due to various constraints on time and budget the Spirit of Sunshine won't be going to Lake Gairdner in 2012.When it does run next time it'll have more gearing and more power. It's little brother the Sprite of Sunshine might make an appearance at a photo exhibition in Sydney and then get dragged up to the Chopped Show.

I hope everyone has a great break and a rewarding ,safe, prosperous and fast 2012
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on December 22, 2011, 11:28:47 PM
 :cheers: To you and the Lady G.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: salt27 on December 22, 2011, 11:44:55 PM
Dr. G,
Congratulations on finding someone that will tolerate you. :-D
It was our pleasure meeting you and we hope you will be back again.

Happy Holidays, Don
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on December 22, 2011, 11:53:13 PM
Heartfelt congratulations to you, my friend - and my deepest sympathies to Lady Goggles.  :cry:

Of course, I'm only kidding.

The car will still be in the shed, waiting for 2013, it will be expertly prepared, and as usual, will have a fascinating biography accompanying the exploits of its purveyors.  Something for all of us to look forward to.

Here's a notion - you're taking this year off - you COULD make up for it by running TWO events in 2013 . . .   :wink:

You kids run off and have fun, now.

Merry Christmas, Happy New Year.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on December 23, 2011, 09:25:36 AM
And a big old screamin' Merry Christmas to you too. Hey. I like Chris' idea of twice events in 2013. I wonder what that second one would be.  :|  :cheers: :cheers: Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on December 23, 2011, 11:19:46 PM
Dr. G, We are closing in on 2000 hits!!!!  Mark is going to owe you big time!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76LbvnoIDkE

Maybe  he will play at your wedding  :-o
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on December 24, 2011, 12:02:37 AM
he's too famous for that...there's a bit in the song where he goes on " I used to be big time.." or something like that, well he plays in the backing band for a TV show here called "Rock-wiz" a musical panel show which has a pretty big audience so despite having played in some of the country's cooler bands ( the Models, the Sacred Cowboys) he's now known better than ever for being on that show....I got an offer last night from one of my favorite ever bands to play at the wedding..for peanuts.

I am hurting big time right now, big big night at our annual Chrissie reunion show....Grumm was there and he had not let the evening pass unrefreshed........I was still crapping on with my brother at the kitchen table at 5am and we'd done our bit in the beer drinking stakes.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on December 24, 2011, 12:15:45 AM
Yes, Refreshed
G :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Rex Schimmer on December 24, 2011, 12:34:03 AM
James,
Come March and I will have to play your CD every day to commemorate you passing to the dark side, ( married that is!) What a great time at Bonneville this year and I will never forget the margarita  at the starting line with you and Simon!!

Have a great Christmas (sounds like you have a pretty good start) and a great married life.

Rex
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on December 24, 2011, 12:54:38 AM
James, don't let these guys give you too much crap about getting married... I was happily married for 3 years.... out of 11 which ain't too bad....  :-D
Marriage is a fine institution... for those that need to be institutionalized
I could go on but it probably wouldn't matter... everyone has to try it sooner or later.  Hope to see you on one patch of salt or another soon
Stainless
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on December 24, 2011, 04:17:02 PM
Unbelievable. The most important event of your life and you cancel it due to getting married? You only can go over 200mph the first time ONCE in your life...

I thought the car was our wife and the girls were our mistresses?

OK, I'll forgive you once. Now promise me no kids due in March OK? Or April or May. So that means no sex in July, August or September the rest of your life. red hats don't grow on trees you know.

I think 2 events in 2013 is a very good idea.

Commit now since you are in the committing mood.

rH+





Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Freud on December 24, 2011, 04:38:44 PM
Dr G came and left the good old US of A and we survived.

It seems to me that we should put Australia in jeopardy by about 100 of us going to the wedding without

invitations or presents or a return ticket.

See if the idyllic Island nation could survive that.

Merry Christmas Dr G and don't forget the SPF 30 as u wait to be allowed back in the house.

FREUD

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Tman on December 24, 2011, 05:24:49 PM
Dr G came and left the good old US of A and we survived.

It seems to me that we should put Australia in jeopardy by about 100 of us going to the wedding without

invitations or presents or a return ticket.

See if the idyllic Island nation could survive that.

Merry Christmas Dr G and don't forget the SPF 30 as u wait to be allowed back in the house.

FREUD



Sounds like a fine plan!
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: wobblywalrus on December 25, 2011, 01:34:05 AM
Congratulations on getting married.  It will give you happiness for years to come. 
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on December 25, 2011, 07:03:08 PM

I thought the car was our wife and the girls were our mistresses?

rH+


Hang on now a second. Aren't you the guy who isn't.....
Oh never mind
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on December 28, 2011, 06:42:55 PM
Dr G came and left the good old US of A and we survived.

It seems to me that we should put Australia in jeopardy by about 100 of us going to the wedding without

invitations or presents or a return ticket.

See if the idyllic Island nation could survive that.

Merry Christmas Dr G and don't forget the SPF 30 as u wait to be allowed back in the house.

FREUD



yeah, well I might have completed the mission but I landed pretty heavily and didn't emerge from the hanger for quite some time.....that had more to do with the Cali part of the operation than the clean livin Utah bit though.....

Hey Pa, the cook never gets locked out :|


I thought the car was our wife and the girls were our mistresses?

rH+


Hang on now a second. Aren't you the guy who isn't.....
Oh never mind
G

No, he is, registry, in sin.

Now , down to the real nitty-gritty ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEi4e87jSJA )...it's been a quiet holiday break full of relaxment..no work on the Spirit or the Sprite, I have done a bit of staring at the Sprite which we of course all know is important. The only thing I have done is buy a new mower!!!!!the 6 year old one broke the blade boss, the oil looked a little like metallic paint and I was worried I might have to change it, or the plug..........and I know there are people who like toolin' around with lawn-mowers,but not me.

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on December 29, 2011, 01:11:54 PM
Dr G came and left the good old US of A and we survived.

It seems to me that we should put Australia in jeopardy by about 100 of us going to the wedding without

invitations or presents or a return ticket.

See if the idyllic Island nation could survive that.

Merry Christmas Dr G and don't forget the SPF 30 as u wait to be allowed back in the house.

FREUD



yeah, well I might have completed the mission but I landed pretty heavily and didn't emerge from the hanger for quite some time.....that had more to do with the Cali part of the operation than the clean livin Utah bit though.....


Hmmm . . . charter a plane, perhaps, Freud?

Don't beat yourself up on the California aspect of the trip - Been there - it's an environmental issue over which you have little or no control.

"California: The west coast of Iowa." - Joan Didion
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on December 29, 2011, 01:46:29 PM
Ah, why not?  As long as we're on the issue of spelling accuracy on another topic -- unh, Goggs, did you really emerge from the wire thingie that's use to support clothing in the closet?  Perhaps, if you meant the building erected to house an airplane -- you meant to type "hangar".

Got you. . . :evil:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Captthundarr on December 29, 2011, 05:08:24 PM
Ah, why not?  As long as we're on the issue of spelling accuracy on another topic -- unh, Goggs, did you really emerge from the wire thingie that's use to support clothing in the closet?  Perhaps, if you meant the building erected to house an airplane -- you meant to type "hangar".

Got you. . . :evil:

Yea, what he said. :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Kiwi Paul on December 30, 2011, 09:53:38 PM
Probably the key post...` Every day a preconception about the US was changed in a positive way` New Zealanders and Australians have been bombarded for generations by anti-american sentiment, primarily through the news media, also partially through the `Tall Poppy` syndrome. We were all expected to do our Overseas Trip to Europe, where we did all the expected things. Automotive things were grudgingly accepted if connected to Formula 1 and the like..(thanks to Brabham, McLaren et al ) so the snotty comments were always levelled....Why would you Ever want to go THERE...The truth is simple. People throughout the world are not much different. These pursuits/obsessions that we have bring Good People to the Top, regardless of where they are from.That, in itself, should stay with us into 2012 and beyond. Sorry for the verbage everone....life experiences and all.....HAPPY NEW YEAR EH? :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 01, 2012, 06:03:00 PM
Probably the key post...` Every day a preconception about the US was changed in a positive way` New Zealanders and Australians have been bombarded for generations by anti-american sentiment, primarily through the news media, also partially through the `Tall Poppy` syndrome. We were all expected to do our Overseas Trip to Europe, where we did all the expected things. Automotive things were grudgingly accepted if connected to Formula 1 and the like..(thanks to Brabham, McLaren et al ) so the snotty comments were always levelled....Why would you Ever want to go THERE...The truth is simple. People throughout the world are not much different. These pursuits/obsessions that we have bring Good People to the Top, regardless of where they are from.That, in itself, should stay with us into 2012 and beyond. Sorry for the verbage everone....life experiences and all.....HAPPY NEW YEAR EH? :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

True that Paul.

Ah, why not?  As long as we're on the issue of spelling accuracy on another topic -- unh, Goggs, did you really emerge from the wire thingie that's use to support clothing in the closet?  Perhaps, if you meant the building erected to house an airplane -- you meant to type "hangar".

Got you. . . :evil:
Yea, what he said. :cheers:

It would be acceptable to use "thingies" but I can assure you in the singular you would be safer with "thingy" , this place is really going downhill :roll:

one all.










































Shazzam!!! :cheers:

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on January 01, 2012, 07:46:13 PM
I've got a head start on ya. I'm already as down hill as I can get.  :-P :-D :cheers: Happy Gnu Year. Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on January 18, 2012, 09:29:28 AM
Where art thou my good Dr G  :?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Freud on January 18, 2012, 12:38:30 PM
He has been surprisingly quiet recently, hasn't he?

Ever think that wedding is choking him?

This may be his MO from now on.

Or...... he may have relocated to void our charter when we go to experience his surrender.

FREUD
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 18, 2012, 03:34:50 PM
Watch it Pops, I'm lurking just below the surface, the moment you dip a toe in I'll trim the nail.

I read every new post on the forum but am conscious that not everyone wants my smartarse interpretation on every single topic....this is the low salt time of the year on Landracing , and yeah I have been watching the trash-talk fest in the build up to the Will-he-or-Wont-he-mington but there hasn't been much happening in the Spirit Of Sunshine Bellytank workshop and Possum Park because the Doctor's meagre financial resources are being directed at the upcoming nuptials.

It was in a way the ideal time to skip a meet because we are yet to sort the HANS , we need to get a new helmet and there's some tidy up items to be attended to, on top of the Reverend being in China

I popped up on the DLRA board a few times recently with largely nonsensical, factually dubious advice ...there's a bunch of new serious young insects on there who just think I'm a wack-job , so it's pretty even between here and there now...... :wink:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on January 18, 2012, 03:44:49 PM

....this is the low salt time of the year on Landracing ,

I can smell the salt at Lake G from here. Oh that's right, you're not going
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 18, 2012, 03:51:27 PM
thanks for that......I saw that pic of impound you posted the other day and thought ..."mmmmm I can smell it....oh, that's right, I'm not going.&#&^%^$%&!@!^*@#^*^*!@$^%!#&**!@$^* nt"
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Tman on January 18, 2012, 04:40:20 PM
I will drink one of those IPAs in your stead.  :-(
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 18, 2012, 05:04:00 PM
I will drink one of those IPAs in your stead.  :-(

Good man.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: racergeo on January 18, 2012, 06:47:16 PM
 I just looked at the picture of the blue Studie on the home page and I think I'm starting to come out of my winter depression. In fact I feel so good I think I'll go and shovel some of the 18 inches of snow in my driveway!
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on January 18, 2012, 09:04:24 PM
thanks for that......I saw that pic of impound you posted the other day and thought ..."mmmmm I can smell it....oh, that's right, I'm not going.&#&^%^$%&!@!^*@#^*^*!@$^%!#&**!@$^* nt"

I should mention for anyone who is looking, the picture
is on another forum.
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 19, 2012, 12:35:19 AM
I just looked at the picture of the blue Studie on the home page and I think I'm starting to come out of my winter depression. In fact I feel so good I think I'll go and shovel some of the 18 inches of snow in my driveway!

you OK George?

here's the pic...

(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc28/grumm441/Salt%202011/Dsc_4338.jpg)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: wobblywalrus on January 19, 2012, 01:24:05 AM
Doc, its a good idea to take a year off and pay attention to your new family.  All three of you are young and have lots of years remaining to race.

There are some younger racers at BUB.  Generally a nice bunch.  I have learned to keep my advice to myself, though.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 20, 2012, 04:39:01 PM
It'd be decidedly rude of me in particular not to accept advice since I seem to offer it so freely :roll:.........I don't feel young, but in the general scheme of things I guess I am, if you check the details you'll see that I'm one year older than Sid( so listen up and respect your elders Sidnoy).......

I just hope we get to set a record with this thing that is half respectable, taking a year off isn't the best way of doing that but que sera.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: ol38y on January 20, 2012, 06:01:51 PM
So James, have you picked up sum Nuckin' Futs yet? You might needum iffn ya have to sit out a year!   :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on January 21, 2012, 02:15:40 PM
Agh damit, I thought I had you by a few too mate.
"Sit out a year" wadaya nuts!!  Did that big bad bug thing'o you had a while back affect your judgement??
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 21, 2012, 05:29:52 PM
So James, have you picked up sum Nuckin' Futs yet? You might needum iffn ya have to sit out a year!   :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

funny how that story got around, good publicity for them...we seem to have a history of strangely named snacks here...

Agh damit, I thought I had you by a few too mate.
"Sit out a year" wadaya nuts!!  Did that big bad bug thing'o you had a while back affect your judgement??
  Sid.

Aw shucks Sid, you think I had judgement! I'm flattered :-D

I spent yesterday tooling around with the little tank. Simon, the photographer who I went to Bonneville with wants to use it as a centerpiece in an exhibition he's having in Sydney . I've pulled the motor out and have welded the top up again . It looks a whole lot funkier without that motorbike engine poking out of it. 18guauge plate is a challenge, when it's 65 years old and has been a little rusty its another step harder again but I got there thank Ford for those 1mm discs, otherwise it would have been a real job to make it work....I also spent a bit of time tapping it out a little better so it's starting to look a little tidier, I'll try and get some shots up later.


gitgarn
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 24, 2012, 12:41:49 AM
I got a call from Grumm today who was burrowing through the stack of throttle bodies at the non-Japanese bike shop that gives him money to hang around, it seems he was doing a wiring job on a Duke that he had suggested twelve years ago needed some attention, it came in for that attention and I think that's why he was looking for a distraction. Anyone with even a semblance of sanity is lying in an ice bath here today but no, he was in the loft of what I imagine would be an uninsulated workshop. It sure got him thinking. It seems that we are back on the path of multiple throttles and stacks for the V6, he was suggesting what might be Speed Triple or Sprint Triumph TB's( just between yous and me I dropped a new Sprint a few years back and that might be a bad omen) and then some Duke numbers at around 50mm.

I started a thread in 07 called "Butterflies, lots of them" and came up with some helpful advice...I just had a look at it and I'm getting in a lather about it all again.....don't expect anything to happen too quickly, I just thought I'd let you know. :wink:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on January 24, 2012, 05:18:04 AM
Well, you know.
Occasionally, when the forum is a bit slow, it's good to get you going
G
(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc28/grumm441/TB002.jpg)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on January 24, 2012, 05:21:21 AM
And of course there was the Melbourne hot rod show on the weekend
Usually the carpark is better then the show. and free.
However, as I got in for free, and I feel that was too much, I got to see the latest thing in Australian hotrods?
G
(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc28/grumm441/Stude.jpg)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Peter Jack on January 24, 2012, 05:31:36 AM
You guys are pretty upscale. I've never been to a car show that wasn't on concrete, asphalt or grass.  :roll: :roll: :-D

Pete
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Rex Schimmer on January 24, 2012, 09:19:43 AM
From the looks of that Studie Franklin must have been involved!!

Rex
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on January 24, 2012, 03:11:43 PM
You guys are pretty upscale. I've never been to a car show that wasn't on concrete, asphalt or grass.  :roll: :roll: :-D

Pete

Pete
That's not just a wooden floor
It's a brand new Australian hardwood floor that my taxes paid for :-o
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 24, 2012, 03:43:04 PM
You guys are pretty upscale. I've never been to a car show that wasn't on concrete, asphalt or grass.  :roll: :roll: :-D
Pete

judging by what I see from the States and the enthusiasm with which you guys use timber I think its a little more costly here due to its scarcity........
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on January 24, 2012, 05:41:16 PM
It's high-quality maple you see here, Dr. G.  Would make fine furniture -- makes a warm house, instead.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 24, 2012, 05:54:36 PM
There's more truth to what you say than even you realise.... for starters that's valuable stuff here,plantation specialty timber.The other point is not many people make sheds like in your pic with timber frames here anymore Jon,the material cost reduced the incidence, the lack of work meant there aren't many qualified chippes or even framers pushing it up further in price. It's all pre-made steel trusses..... most of the frames will barely hold themselves up until they're clad.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on January 25, 2012, 10:52:40 AM
Hey Jon, looks like Nancy has grown taller.... not to mention she needs to shave....  :evil:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on January 25, 2012, 11:45:26 AM
I never really thought about the whole lack of wood thing in Oz but I think back & most houses were double brick.
I heat my shop & the house (when I actually live there) with wood from up the back. I get mostly maple & oak because it burns longer & cleaner than pine. I've built a steering wheel for the streamliner & plan on wandering up the back to find some nice wood to cover the rim. It's funny how ya just dont think about chit like that.
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Tman on January 25, 2012, 12:31:36 PM
Took a load of split pine just last night. Not much hardwood here. Would love a load of maple!
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on January 25, 2012, 12:42:33 PM
If you find an older map and look for us -- you'll see that we live in the "town" of Maple Grove.  Our parcel of land is 60 acres - - and about 55 of that is hardwood forest, mostly maple (ergo the name) and a few trees like cherry and silver birch.  A bit of popple mixed in, and one or two evergreens -- but far and away, mostly maple.  It makes for pleasant walks on an autumn day, too.  If I remember it correctly, the old story is that the deadfall alone on about ten acres is enough to heat a house forever.  We're in good shape. . . :-D :-D

PS  What's this topic supposed to be?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Captthundarr on January 25, 2012, 12:49:22 PM
Something about belly thanks? belly shanks? Jelly tanks? Yea, Nancy needs a shave or will she shed in the spring? :-D Wow Mr. Slim, sure seems to be a lot of salt in your neck of the woods. it's all over the place. :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Moxnix on January 25, 2012, 02:57:35 PM
Maple, hence the blue splitter.  Or is that something to bring out for consideration of a new class?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on January 25, 2012, 03:04:50 PM
Okay, it's not Nancy -- it's her son, Brian.  He was visiting from SLC and stayed with us.  Tell me that we don't know how to get him to pay (some way or another) for his bed and board?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on January 25, 2012, 06:44:07 PM
Well that blue thing is clearly not a bellytank or a lakester
for starters, the wheels are covered
Even Goggles ride on mower looks more like a bellytank
G
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/PA150247.jpg)


Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 25, 2012, 07:22:22 PM
Wow, she could do with a little orthodontic intervention to correct that bite........

Speaking of cosmetic surgery the top was cut into three pieces to fit the motor, I took the motor out and welded it back up in readiness for it to appear at Simon's exhibition.....five feet of spider web welding......just waiting for the elements to heal the scars.
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/P1260287.jpg)

I dunno, I just love it.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on January 25, 2012, 09:24:20 PM
A luv affair with tanks, You're a dammaged person Goggs. Aw hang on, I've got seven of the dam things.  :roll:
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on January 25, 2012, 10:58:08 PM
A luv affair with tanks, You're a damaged person Goggs. Aw hang on, I've got seven of the dam things.  :roll:
  Sid.

Including a street legal tank, which i recently saw a picture of front end in Australian Street Rodding magazine

It would be so nice if you could build stuff for the street here in Aus as easily as you can over there.
You almost need an approved engineers report to paint your car a different color here
I was looking at a sumpthink that resembled a '41 chev pickup at speedweek, Bonneville last year and commented to Kiwi Steve that I had sumpthink similar only mine had a chassis not two bits of 2' square with an axle at each end.
He looked at it and said " I would hope so"
So I'm going back outside to stare at my '41 Chev pickup. and see if that mitsubishi (no, not a curse word, a mitsubishi front end) front end will fit with out too much work. After all it is Australia day here, and a public holiday.

G

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 25, 2012, 11:26:01 PM
Hey If you aren't gonna use that HK front end I gave you lets fleabay it for beer money.....I think they're worth a bit...

L300 , classy!
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: salt27 on January 26, 2012, 12:05:16 AM
Dr Goggles,
I have noticed that Grumm may not be interested in your opinion, as he places his fingers in his ears when ever you speak. :-D

And by the way thank you for helping rid me of that crappy beer.

  Don
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 26, 2012, 12:25:52 AM
I can't be absolutely sure Don but I seem to remember at that point he was mouthing , " Stew, can you tell me when Don has stopped talking because that high pitched NorWest whine is making my ears ache"... 

...he is deeply interested in my opinion it is the basis for most of his jokes....he has been busy in the last hour using one of the social networking sites to message me about alternative powerplants for the little tank, oh yeah and a bottle of whiskey....I suggested he should get some ice and a big bottle of soda water. We all know whiskey should be drunk at room temperature by itself, if you must you could add water, solid or liquid and if you want to get really flash some CO2 in that water but if you go and put any sort of cordial in it then you're a heathen.

I drank that beer out of courtesy Don. :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: racergeo on January 26, 2012, 01:43:02 AM
  I'm thinking, with Goggles getting married there's probably going to be a prenuptial. Something to the effect of no more then(.5 posts per day (he's at .7 now). His part, the kids names must be salt or sunshine derived. A boy,Salt Peter. Recommend going by his middle name. A girl,Saltina of course Tina for short. Now I have done my part to bring the subject up, Lets see if we can get some really good ones. It just occured to me that little Lady Goggle Goggle may already be in the womb.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on January 26, 2012, 11:29:55 AM
G
 I sent Goggs some pics of the street tank a while back, did he share?
When do you you guys have this public holiday?? :cheers:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RenRILqwhJs
  Sid. :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on January 26, 2012, 12:07:44 PM
Well, we do think about invading Wisconsin now and then, but usually we sit back, breathe deeply, and have a second thought.  After all -- if we did invade and take over -- what would we do with it?  Who needs all the cheese? :lol:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 26, 2012, 03:59:28 PM
I sent Goggs some pics of the street tank a while back, did he share?
  Sid. :-D

Yeah I did with the immediate circle,very, very well received... I didn't see the Street Rodding pic though.

I loved that video..... and Sid, just in case you'd forgotten it, here's some beaut Sth Island "exent"( that's "accent" for the rest of you)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MleuPXWotcI
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on January 26, 2012, 04:46:05 PM
Yep, taken with the right attitude its all good stuff. The liner's coming along, I'll send you some pics soon-ish.
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: salt27 on January 26, 2012, 08:48:44 PM
I can't be absolutely sure Don but I seem to remember at that point he was mouthing , " Stew, can you tell me when Don has stopped talking because that high pitched NorWest whine is making my ears ache"...  


Perhaps Grumm might enlighten us and clear this matter up.
I'm guessing he's ignoring both of us. :-D
By the way if you ever venture to the Pacific wonderland [Oregon] I will treat you to a decent brew.

  Don
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 26, 2012, 09:28:18 PM
By the way if you ever venture to the Pacific wonderland [Oregon] I will treat you to a decent brew.
Don

Don, that is an offer you might live to regret.

For the record ,people, Don was one of many people who showed us a welcome at Bonneville that I won't ever forget.We were welcomed like family. I was just telling a few friends some of the stories from the fortnight we spent in the US last August. Don gave me his 2011 competitors cap, If he would just send me his address I'll embroider it into the band, I want his young fella to wear that cap when he first goes through tech.

Oregon, hmmm , I know some other people there..... :roll:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on January 26, 2012, 10:54:24 PM
Well, we do think about invading Wisconsin now and then, but usually we sit back, breathe deeply, and have a second thought.  After all -- if we did invade and take over -- what would we do with it?  Who needs all the cheese? :lol:

I'd say fire up that stack of maple, make a great big caquelon out of an LP tank, and whip up some fondue.

Kate and I honeymooned at Wells State Park - Love the UP.

So Doc - those TB's would look really sweet atop the Holden, but are they big enough?


Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on January 26, 2012, 11:10:01 PM
I can't be absolutely sure Don but I seem to remember at that point he was mouthing , " Stew, can you tell me when Don has stopped talking because that high pitched NorWest whine is making my ears ache"...  


Perhaps Grumm might enlighten us and clear this matter up.
I'm guessing he's ignoring both of us. :-D
By the way if you ever venture to the Pacific wonderland [Oregon] I will treat you to a decent brew.

  Don

I think I may have been on the phone trying to get a clarification re rule 1.L about competitors showing signs of intoxication having to
turn over all their beer and ice to the nearest official.
 
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on January 26, 2012, 11:12:23 PM
it must be a ploy---I know of several LSR racers that might turn in their fire suit for Shirt and inspectors hat  :-D  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: salt27 on January 26, 2012, 11:27:37 PM
Dr Goggles,
As my crew chief, Gus received his own hat and you need that hat to substantiate any Speedweek embellishments that you wish to circulate. :roll:

With a little luck and a lot of work Gus will be a competitor at 2012 Speedweek.

All this talk about beer made me thirsty, I'm going for one right now.

  Don
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on January 27, 2012, 01:55:53 AM
it must be a ploy---I know of several LSR racers that might turn in their fire suit for and inspectors hat  :-D  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:


Well, I've got two, and I need a fire suit.
All Mike Cook said was I couldn't sell the shirts on Ebay
Didn't mention the hats
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Geo on January 28, 2012, 11:59:02 PM
My daughter is doing a report on Australia and in need of pictures of currency and a good recipe.  Not printing money and not cooking food, at least at school they are not.  Might try at home.  :-D  Cooking that is.

PM me please and thank you!
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: ol38y on January 29, 2012, 12:41:20 AM
I'm not sure what you're asking for would be safe at a school! Maybe you should read back through this thread and rethink your request...    :mrgreen: :cheers: hahahaha
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 29, 2012, 02:04:56 AM
My daughter is doing a report on Australia and in need of pictures of currency and a good recipe.  Not printing money and not cooking food, at least at school they are not.  Might try at home.  :-D  Cooking that is.

PM me please and thank you!
PM? bah..... Our banknotes are ....wait for it all different sizes and colors, "wtf"? I hear you mutter....yeah, and um , they ain't made of paper either....they're polymer....so I'm pretty sure you'll be able to find images of them online ,like here
 
http://www.google.com.au/search?q=Australian+currency&hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=uWk&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&prmd=imvnsu&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=4O4kT4LVG-KtiAe6ofHmBA&ved=0CJIBELAE&biw=1418&bih=774

they also have a clear window in them with a hologram....that's pretty hard to forge on a photocopier. The smallest denomination here is a 5 cent coin, the copper went out years ago, we have 1 and 2 dollar coins too.

As for Australian recipes it's hard to go past a Pavlova...a desert made with meringue and whipped cream then topped with some chopped fruit, generally strawberries or kiwi fruit. Just search for Pavlova recipe and there'll be millions.

And, don't listen to Sid, the Kiwis always say they invented them.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: penny on January 29, 2012, 03:17:34 AM
One thing about australians is we don't know ( or don't care ) who the people are who have their photos on our notes.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 29, 2012, 05:07:16 AM
One thing about australians is we don't know ( or don't care ) who the people are who have their photos on our notes.
(yeah, and some people here don't even capitalize Australian)....Paul that's because no-one wrote a song about it like Willie Dixon did....


Lyrics Willie Dixon

Dead Presidents

Them dead presidents
Them dead presidents
Well I ain't broke but I'm bad bent
Everybody loves them dead presidents

A little bit of Lincoln can't park the car
Washington he can't go too far
Jefferson is good, played the track
If you think you're gonna bring some big bitch back

Them dead presidents
Them dead presidents
Well I ain't broke but I'm bad bent
Everybody loves them dead presidents

Hamilton on a ten can get you straight
But Jackson on a twenty is really great
And if you're talkin' about a poor man's friend
Grant will get you out of whatever you're in

Them dead presidents
Them dead presidents
Them dead presidents
Well I ain't broke but I'm badly bent
Everybody loves them dead presidents

A hundred dollar Franklin is really sweet
A five hundred McKinley is the one for me
If I get a Cleveland, I'm really set
A thousand dollar Cleveland is hard to get

Them dead presidents
Them dead presidents
Well I ain't broke but I'm badly bent
Everybody loves them dead presidents
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on January 29, 2012, 11:24:42 AM
Pav aint pav till ya park sum kiwifruit on em & thats no poofter.  :evil:
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Jon on January 29, 2012, 12:10:05 PM
You mean Actinidia chinensis?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on January 29, 2012, 12:16:39 PM
Give 'em a recipe that uses Weetabix. That oughta perk 'em up.  :roll: Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on January 29, 2012, 01:27:21 PM
Give 'em a recipe that uses Weetabix. That oughta perk 'em up.  :roll: Wayno

Two weeks at B&B's in Ireland saddled me with my lifetime allotment of Weetabix.

Although seeing as timber seems to come at a high price in Australia - to the point that they print their bills on plastic - Weetabix might make a viable alternative for a proper campfire.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: 4-barrel Mike on January 29, 2012, 01:36:29 PM
(http://www.virginmedia.com/images/weetabix430x300.jpg)

 :?

Mike
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on January 29, 2012, 01:38:43 PM
(http://www.virginmedia.com/images/weetabix430x300.jpg)

 :?

Mike

You got it, Mike - they have the taste and texture of wool.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on January 29, 2012, 02:39:21 PM
I bet Gromit loves 'em.  :cheers: Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on January 29, 2012, 02:42:07 PM
I bet Gromit loves 'em.  :cheers: Wayno

Cheese, Wayno - CHEESE!
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: salt27 on January 29, 2012, 03:00:40 PM
I think I may have been on the phone trying to get a clarification re rule 1.L about competitors showing signs of intoxication having to
turn over all their beer and ice to the nearest official.
 

Grumm,
I would have gladly turned over that swill they were passing off as beer.
The only way I could give it away was to find some foreigner who didn't know better [Dr Goggles].
Most of the good beer is put in bottles and with the BLM ban on glass the options are narrowed.
BJ Burkdoll came to my rescue with Corona in cans, which I had never seen before.

   Don
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 29, 2012, 03:45:27 PM
Friggin' 'ell, you blokes got in a lather!!hahahaha.....We don't have Weetabix here...

they're Weet-Bix...see the difference..

(http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTw4au9AGqfSxhkN6ZyBgAwbJOYuQJtlcmIagsgr_GUyknVL0EL1Q)

right now I'm having a coffee,yeah espresso not that dribble-later stuff and having me a bowl of Vita-Brits with chopped apple. Now, the name I just mentioned might give you a clue to what they are....sounds like, looks like, is exactly like Weetabix/Weet-Bix!...Hey Chris, it was probably the best thing on offer in Ireland yeah? their food is notorious.

Now Sid there's no need to get nasty about Chinese gooseberrys either :roll: Yes Jon , they're the ones......

Don, I was pleasantly surprised at the price of "domestic" beer in the US, but the only beer I drank that actually made me take a second look at the label was the IPA that Trent so kindly gave me at Salt Talks minutes before the arse fell out of the clouds. Corona isn't really beer, it looks like it , and has alcohol in it but when someone is prepared to put real hops in beer like the IPA mob then you know you're drinking.

ok, enough o' this guff.

I advertised my tow-truck like this.......

Race day transporter for forced sale. This diesel Trader is a stout compact truck with all the necessities for towing anything up to Landcruiser size. It's neat and tidy and practical.With a  brand new starter, near new tyres and  new battery it is ready to go. It is for auction without RWC but it has only done 500klms since it was last passed. It has 8 months rego . The previous owner ran a sideline business doing after hours towing , so it's credentials are solid for that line of work if that is your thing, it ain't mine. We bought her to tow our race car and in the meantime have hired it to friends for drag cars and haulage. The deck is solid, the tiedown/wheel locks are almost new, the winch is fresh.The ramps are HD and fit nicely under the deck, you can drive a Commodore wagon straight on, fasten it and leave in ten minutes.It's got great service lights( so you can see what you're doing  on the deck in the dark)and she's easy to drive and park, if you haven't got room for a race trailer that you can't park anyway then you're in the right place..this rig fits through the drive through.She used to be an Australia Post truck so if you've got a car that's really haulin' the mail then blow the whistle on this one.

The forced sale is genuine,but not charity. We spent a decent amount buying the truck and more sorting the wiring, the tow bar, the starter and various other sundry issues but the reserve price reflects fair value, nowhere near what we spent,so I lose because I have to sell. Inspections are welcome for the genuine buyer , I know what it costs to put a truck like this together, and keep it on the road, so if you call about looking at it you'd better sound pretty interested.

She's got a good Sony CD player , just right for cranking up TNT as you drive through the gates at Calder.

The buyer is expected to make payment of a 10% deposit within 24 hrs and arrange full payment within 48 hrs, I'm a 100%er , let's hope you are too.It won't fit in a postpack, you'll have to pick it up, thanks for looking.

Gentlemen, start your engines.





Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on January 29, 2012, 03:57:12 PM
Don
We had plenty of beer turned over to us in bottles by people who obviously didn't know about the ban on bottles
Weat-bix, made by a company that is wholly owned by the Seventh day Adventist Church
Good Aussie company indeed
I think if you were looking for Aussie food I would try Kangaroo steak with a side order of Vegemite on bread
Australia, the only country in the world that eats its coat of arms and leftover yeast from beer production
and money, well who would have thought
http://www.rba.gov.au/Museum/Displays/1960_1988_rba_and_reform_of_the_currency/a_new_note_printing_factory.html

The kangaroos are the furry ones, not the people on the beach
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4Ic3RqPIJo&feature=related

Oh and Paul
They started putting the names of the people who appear on the money on them in 2002 so as we would know who they were


G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 29, 2012, 04:07:49 PM
OK, here's a recipe.

Prepare as for a Souvlaki.

Soft white pita bread warmed. Sauce made from natural yoghurt, lemon juice and garlic, mixed lettuce salad. Dice 3 oz kangaroo fillet to half inch and cook on hot pan with olive oil, at last minute toss in 1/4 brown onion.

Wrap contents in pita and serve, prep time 3 minutes.

Add chilli sauce, taromasalata ,or cheese if desired.

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on January 29, 2012, 04:12:14 PM
Hey Chris, it was probably the best thing on offer in Ireland yeah? their food is notorious.

Oh, not true - not true at all.

Bangers and Mash in a wonderful pub in Dublin, and probably the best pork chops I have ever had - and this is coming from a guy who grew up in Iowa and had a number of family members who raised hogs - were obtained at a marvelous bistro in Wexford, right on the wharf.

Worst food was at a Scottish place in Cork - I think it was called McDonalds - still better than the Weetabix . . .

So the truck sale a stop-gap for the year?  I suppose there's no sense in keeping up the tags, if all it's going to do is sit.

I wish we had trucks of that size stateside - everything here is just too darned big.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Tman on January 29, 2012, 04:56:05 PM
I know the good Dr is not making the salt this year but I will have more of that fine IPA and other micros with if anyoine wants to stop by our camp or pit.  :cheers:

And i make a mean Scotch Egg.  :wink:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: wobblywalrus on January 30, 2012, 12:17:11 AM
When I was a kid I had a big warm bowl of kangaroo tail soup.  I am almost sixty now and I remember its flavor like it was yesterday.  It is quite different and very good.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Jon on January 30, 2012, 02:18:36 AM
Could always try galah too, recipe I was taught was;

Pluck & stuff galah
Put the galah on simmer in a large casarole dish with sweet potato, corn, a rock, carrot an peas.
Check regularly, when the rock is soft throw away the galah and eat the rock.
Tough little suckers them galahs.

Emu steak is a pretty good feed, just so you know that we eat both the animals on our coat of arms.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: ben james on January 30, 2012, 03:19:49 AM
I ONCE GOT SERVED UP A STIR FRY WITH KANGAROO IN IT.
they called it SKIPPY STIR FRY.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on January 30, 2012, 04:48:46 AM
I ONCE GOT SERVED UP A STIR FRY WITH KANGAROO IN IT.
they called it SKIPPY STIR FRY.

Jump steak

G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on January 30, 2012, 07:15:58 AM
Hopside.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on January 30, 2012, 09:11:57 AM
Hopside.

Hopside-down? (under?)

Rev - still in China?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 30, 2012, 04:16:36 PM
I ONCE GOT SERVED UP A STIR FRY WITH KANGAROO IN IT.
they called it SKIPPY STIR FRY.

Jump steak

G

Hopside.

Gee , I left that recipe hanging WIDE open and no-one took the bait????


It's called Roovlaki.... :roll:

yeah, he's still in China, he lives there now.....don't say anything clever, they have 300 people specifically assigned to watch every word he types on this web-site alone :-D :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Geo on January 30, 2012, 05:24:21 PM
Thanks for that!  I see an A grade for this.  :cheers:

Quote
STIR FRY WITH KANGAROO IN IT
Lets see... Wife from China, child studying Australia, me hungry!

Quote
China, he lives there now.....don't say anything clever, they have 300 people specifically assigned to watch

Been there done that! They constantly wondered.  Really confused them when I waved my Chinese Green Card!  :roll:

Geo
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on January 30, 2012, 08:09:53 PM
Ni hao, wo zai Zhonguo.

Yes we are living in Wujin about three hours west of Shanghai. No Landspeed racing found yet but a developing car culture. New cars only though, second hand cars are extremely cheap because very few people would consider purchasing anything used. Therefore hot-rod culture is really an anathema.

That said, every Mercedes I see here is an AMG model, reasonably discrete hop up I suppose. In Wenzhou they are a little more indiscrete with their car aspirations with a lot of exotics on the street.

China is amazing in so many ways. It realy is steaming ahead of the rest of the world just in infrastructure alone. Huge amounts of fantastic cheap fast (300kph) modern railway being built spanning hte country. Makes the west look like a crumbling backwater.

Anyone read "Atlas Shrugged"? Well, China highlights to me how close the west is to self imposed stagnation.

The consumption and growth cannot last indefinately though, there simply are not enough resources in the world. things are going to get interesting...

Dik
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: ol38y on January 30, 2012, 09:40:14 PM
"Atlas Shrugged"? Yup, I think we're living it.  :-(
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Geo on January 30, 2012, 10:38:47 PM
Ni Zhonguo!   :roll:

Wo hao, ni na.  Xiexie wo punyo.  谢谢你,我亲爱的朋友

You who wonder might try this: http://www.wikihow.com/Speak-Mandarin-Chinese-in-a-Day

My favorite when talking to a person I need something from was - Ring around the Rosie - It goes like this...

G Hi I need a chop on this form to open the shop.
C You need to go three doors down.
G The weather is very beautiful today.
C Yes it is.
G Is it always like this?
C Sometimes it rains.
G That is why there are so many beautiful flowers. Will it rain tomorrow?
C No tomorrow will be like today.
G You must enjoy living here very much, I would.
C Yes I do like it here.
G I need a chop on this form.
C Wait here someone will be with you shortly.
G Is there a good resturant nearby?
C There are many.
G Do they serve special local dishes?
C Many dishes are local.
G Will they open for lunch? It will be noon in one hour.
C They are always open.
G Can you explain how to get there to my driver?
- 10 minute conversation -
G I need a chop on this form.
C Just a moment I will ask my boss.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 30, 2012, 10:59:46 PM
China is amazing in so many ways. It realy is steaming ahead of the rest of the world just in infrastructure alone. Huge amounts of fantastic cheap fast (300kph) modern railway being built spanning hte country. Makes the west look like a crumbling backwater.
Dik

Hey, not so fast China....

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/aug/12/china-bullet-trains-recalled?intcmp=239
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on January 31, 2012, 12:34:23 AM
So let me see if I have this one straight -

The United States is upping its presence in the Pacific rim by building a base in Canberra to keep China in check with money we borrowed from China.

Yeah, I do have that one straight . . .
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on January 31, 2012, 08:06:59 AM
Its straighter than that. The only reason they don't cash in some of the half trillion or so dollars of bonds that they have that hold the US up and are a very low return investment is because it would reduce the value of the other half trillion or so dollars of bonds that they also have holding the US up.

China and the US are strange but necessary bedfellows at the moment (cue David Bowie and "China Girl."

As for the circular conversation don't get me started... I went to the police station as arranged at 11.15am after waiting for two weeks for my passports to be stamped for residency due to the Spring festival to be told the policeman I needed to see was out to lunch until 1pm to return later to be told that what was meant to be done days ago still hadn't been done so could I come back in two days...

My favorite was I had to get something translated by a registered translator then I had to go get a translation registrator to register the registered translation, even though the person I was given the form to in the first place spoke English.

I wont go on but it is tiring. Especially with a two year old.

If anyone can be bothered checking out what we are designing here go to www.studio505.com.au to see some of our work. Getting strange engineering done here is a lot of fun I can tell you (yes, that was sarcasm.)

rH+



Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on January 31, 2012, 09:25:03 AM
Rev, I was about to ask, what the hell are you doing in china. So you're building confetty buildings??
So how does the whole comunist capitalist thing work out in your situation :? :?
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on January 31, 2012, 10:00:41 AM
Chinese communism has been drifting since Deng opened the country up in the late 1970's with it being a lot less ideological based and more about legitimising its power by providing economic growth and improved quality of living and opportunity for its citizens* which it has done very well. It has pulled 200 million people out of poverty in the past thirty years which is a mighty achievement (*NB  Don't say comrad any more, it means "gay" friend!)

All of our current work is commissioned by the government, which has a hand in hand relationship with the communist party and I deal with members of both. The great thing about communism is when they want something done they work together to make it happen whereas in democratic countries like Australia with essentially a two part system they spend most of the time bickering and pulling each others' attempts to improve the country down. That is why we don't have a fast train to Sydney.

Of course there are many different kind of democracies (some good, some awful) but I cannot think of a single major organisation or company that is truly democratic, and they are really the big power brokers in the world some would say. So why not communism for the business of government?

The days of tyrants has past, the leaders are do not have office until they die as previously and are only allowed two terms (like the US). Promotion in the ranks is through a complicated mix of connections and credentials, with success in achieving the goals of the Five Year Plans a major factor (one of the major goals of the current five year plan is to provide sufficient quality housing for China's aging population) . This seems better than the popularity contest that democracy can often bring.

There are no business issues for us that I know that we are negatively affected by by dealing with a communist / capitalist environment other than battling the entrenched relationships that are in the business system , but that is a product of the society and not the government and I have experienced that more working in quasi democratic Japan anyway.

OK Off topic but it kind of explains why I have been off topic for a while!

Dik
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on January 31, 2012, 03:28:41 PM
I can only hope you are trying to "Protect" your  :?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on January 31, 2012, 08:03:27 PM
No, not protecting anything. That's the way it is.

Sure there are issues, and there will be more but it is changing; Contemporary Chinese Communism is a far cry from that McCarthy terrified the US of (and was ultimately censured for...)

d
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on January 31, 2012, 09:15:51 PM
TURNS OUT he was right!!!!!
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 31, 2012, 09:34:17 PM
Australian Belly tank thread.

Crap jokes, recipes, sewing tips, bragging, occasional updates on the bellytank(s)and long boring anecdotes. Yes

Politics, religion and door cars, No.
 
:cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on January 31, 2012, 09:50:14 PM
You won't find me involved in a political argument but I have seen two party political systems spend more time getting in each other's way than getting the job done & that includes NZ, Aus & the US.

Dik, I actually got a chance to look around your web site tonight when I got home. Thats some really cool stuff mate! I got a look at the front page this morning then had to go out on a job that went on all day.
So how long will you be in China? Is communication- language a problem? Do you have other english speaking associates?
  Sid.  
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on January 31, 2012, 09:53:26 PM
ps  Sorry Goggs.
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 31, 2012, 10:03:07 PM
ps  Sorry Goggs.
  Sid.

I was just having a poke at two of my better friends, but the fact is we have enough gumpf here without taking traffic away from sites that specialize in anonymous people arguing about stuff they'll never agree about...that's why I love this site....we all agree one particular thing. Now about door cars.............
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Tman on January 31, 2012, 10:15:37 PM
Doc, just had 3 count that THREE of those Glorious Crow Peak Brewing Companies 11th Hour IPAs tonight thinking of you guys! No tube mitering now!~ :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on January 31, 2012, 10:48:16 PM
Now about door cars.............

Going from humor to heresy, are we?  :|

 :cheers:


Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on January 31, 2012, 11:10:16 PM
Ok Ok I'll keep it in the amusing anecdote bucket and toss out the politics, wouldn't want to have a red and blue division down the build diary! People can pm or email me if they want that strand.

On the language front I am learning Chinese which is tricky on the tonal front with many words with the same consonants but different tones changing their meaning (high pitch, rising pitch, dropping pitch, dipping pitch and neutral). I have an assistant who is bilingual (just) otherwise the office here is just me (and wife and daughter). As there are very few ex pats in the town it is an "outpost" I guess.

How long are we staying?  Wellllllll that kind of depends on how successful we are in getting new projects, the GFC, and other opportunities that may raise their curious heads. The minimum would be to see the completion of the current projects under construction (in particular the lotus building) and the maximum would be about ten years as my daughter would be ready to go to senior scool and I think Australia would be the right place for that (and for me to start considering retirement!)

But that is a long way off, who knows what the silk road will bring? We wanted an adventure as a family and we are getting one.

Now, back to cars and fart jokes.

d



Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 01, 2012, 06:14:09 AM
Speaking of jokes here's the crap-tastic Sprite of Sunshine......i'ts a dirty commie rat( rod)...mate, DON'T say that here :roll: :roll: :roll:

I pulled the motor out and took of every piece of metal that wasn't decaying except the rack and the steering wheel.it has moved from the outdoor operating table and will soon swap places in the drive with the tow-truck so it can be taken to Sydney where it will be a curio in the middle of Simon's upcoming photo exhibition....I made a hand-brake with a long removable handle so it can be managed on and off of whatever they pick it up with and I also have a four wheel dolly because to be honest it's an inch or so lower than I intended......yeah , I know the pics are fuzzy, I'm a bit fuzzy....

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/P2010342.jpg)

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/P2010338.jpg)

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/P2010341.jpg)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on February 01, 2012, 06:55:49 AM
A "bit" fuzzy, whoda thunk. :-D
 
Many years ago I also visited a strange far away land that had a different dialect, now I live there.
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on February 01, 2012, 09:27:52 AM
A bit low  :? I know we don't have any streets that you could drive it on around here....  Does it touch when you add ballast (driver)  :-D
Glad to see we finally got back on subject, this thread was starting to ravel a little. 
See what happens when you plan to take a year off of racing.  You know that this will be the best year on the Aussie Salt of the last 10 if you don't go....
 :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on February 01, 2012, 09:52:21 AM
......i'ts a dirty commie rat( rod)...mate, DON'T say that here :roll: :roll: :roll:


That would make it a comrod?  :roll:

The stance is perfect, the attitude sizzles.  I've been ribbing you on it since you brought the steaming pile of brit-bits home to build it, but I must confess, it looks righteous.

I would not be ashamed to park it in my front yard, although Kate might not permit such things.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 01, 2012, 03:33:24 PM

See what happens when you plan to take a year off of racing.  You know that this will be the best year on the Aussie Salt of the last 10 if you don't go....
 :cheers:

I wish you'd heard what I said when I read that Bob, it went on for a bit..., I wish everyone who is going to Gairdner the best, and I will be there next year is all I will say

A bit low  :? I know we don't have any streets that you could drive it on around here....  Does it touch when you add ballast (driver)  :-D

It's the regulation Sunshine bellytank workshop and Possum park ride height...that means I'm going to have to lift it if it is going to the dirt drags.

Glad to see we finally got back on subject, this thread was starting to ravel a little.
 Genius , I love the unused negatives...like "whelmed"... ravelled, that's now my new word for constipated..

The stance is perfect, the attitude sizzles.  I've been ribbing you on it since you brought the steaming pile of brit-bits home to build it, but I must confess, it looks righteous.
I would not be ashamed to park it in my front yard, although Kate might not permit such things.

Hey it's still out the back and I got "how long's that going to be there?" :wink:

One thing that caught me by surprise, when I was performing a fifty point turn in the back yard I was pushing it and noticed the front left was locked up, the steering was on full lock right....hmmm, good old cable brakes, they pull tighter as the steering increases.......

I wish I could see it when they put it on whatever it will be travelling to Sydney on...."Merc, Audi , Toyota, Honda ....WTF?...what's that thing"?

bye.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Freud on February 03, 2012, 11:37:41 AM
Put that P O S car in the post and you revert back to your racers attitude.

We needed that.

LOVELY

FREUD
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 04, 2012, 10:27:58 PM
Thanks Pa, you know me. Yes I have been hangin my hiney out the window for a while, it has offended the right people and kept me occupied but best of all cost me nuthin.

I had to tag it with my race number...

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/P2040347.jpg)

The real gig starts again in a few months and I'm gonna have to be organised and inspired but the groundwork is there with the new motor and the re-geared rear-end.The break, trust me, will do me good.

I have to admit that I have spent a fair bit of time sitting next to the phone waiting for Marlo to call, he's seen my work, what more do I need to to do? Can you give him a heads up on my falla I mean availability.

I had a dream last night. I was at Lake Gairdner, what with the wedding and all I'd had to annoy a few people , one in particular,just to get there.....I was sitting in a car, there was mud everywhere and it was pissing rain, the meet was off and I couldn't get out.....

I think it's getting to me
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on February 04, 2012, 11:29:18 PM
I think it's already "got" to you, ya ol fart.
I had a dream a couple of weeks ago that the liner just wouldn't go any faster & I was dam near to down town SLC.
Just shows how big it is in our lives.
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on February 05, 2012, 01:48:04 AM

 one in particular, just to get there.....


Sorry, no room
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 05, 2012, 09:06:26 PM
Well if I was getting married to you that would be an/the issue but we aren't allowed to do that here yet.........

No room at the inn indeed.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Freud on February 05, 2012, 10:32:35 PM
Quoting...........

I have to admit that I have spent a fair bit of time sitting next to the phone waiting for Marlo to call, he's seen my work, what more do I need to to do?

I'll call Hume and check in with him.  He does the hiring for the shop. With an extra employee it would require a cook. Does she cook?

If you went into depression over not having a lakester we could just have them cut a hole in the top of the 'liner and you could poke your head out.

That should solve everything over here except for the mud at the lake bed.

Just wait a year or so and ours will be surrounded with mud.

I'll apply for a Green card for you but not let anyone that comes to Speed Weak know about it. They may cause you grief.

That 374 number fits well with Marlo's 678 lakester number. Keep control of that number.

FREUD

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 07, 2012, 02:44:31 PM
I'll call Hume and check in with him.  He does the hiring for the shop. With an extra employee it would require a cook. Does she cook?

I'll apply for a Green card for you but not let anyone that comes to Speed Weak know about it. They may cause you grief.

That 374 number fits well with Marlo's 678 lakester number. Keep control of that number.

FREUD

You should have guessed from the recipes a while back that I do most of the cooking here....

I always yearned for a green card, but might I be lynched if I came from O/S and took ONE job there?

it was just the other day I realised that 374 has some creepy numerology going on.... :roll:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 08, 2012, 05:51:23 AM
 
...and I also have a four wheel dolly because to be honest it's an inch or so lower than I intended......

Well that dolly idea didn't quite work ....so I figured I'd make one that the front wheels would sit in, that would give it plenty of clearance....the thing was I went to hook the mig up to zip up the dolly and the moment I touched the tap on the bottle I knew what had happened, I almost never do it, and I know what you're going to say..but I have a rule, turn the gas off beforeyou turn the power off, that way it doesn't happen, but..I'd left the gas on last time I was at it....it was low anyway.

You bewdy, no mig-gas and no time to get more. It was stick time........the last time I used it was 2005 when my old mig died and I had to make a gate ,so the rods weren't gonna be fresh...I learnt to weld when I was eleven when my dad bought this little 2 phase arc welder, these days you can buy a better one for three dollars that weighs less than a mobile phone but it does hold some sentimental value..I laid some decent beads, and some birdshit too...but I got I away with it ..............I think.

I have to say the moment it fired up and that smell hit my nose my mind was immediately back in my old man's shed and I was trying to weld bike frame tube to make a chopper.... I had one with the stupidest forks you ever saw and a chain wheel welded onto the rear cog, you could mono it up hill it was so low geared , I made a mono-shock rear with a coil-over off a Honda 90 that really worked...A friend rode it into an irrigation channel and nearly drowned when his hand got caught in the back wheel trying to retrieve it....Strangely, the other kid who was with us when this happened had nearly drowned too , in an irrigation channel the year before towing his brother behind a dirt bike on skis, yes, true. His brother did a sharp cut away from the bank which just whipped the bike straight in, Wayne got his arm caught in those weird hand protector things that some 70's bikes had on the bars and panicked , he was screaming, just able to keep his face above the water while his brother stood on the bank laughing......then the bike slipped and he went under, his brother fearing a hiding from their dad decided he should help.That was just ONE of the dangerous things I saw , or heard the Ibbott boys pull involving motorbikes. Breaking the forks off, resulting in a really nasty end over, falling off a bike doing a wheelie and barely missing their mother and sister( in pram), having a tennis racquet fall off a rack on the way to the school bus-stop  and ending up trapped under the bike with the unshielded exhaust on Wayne's leg.I remember Wayne showing me the burn at school, he couldn't tell his folks.."it was a new racket my dad will kill me", he should have been in hospital. I got mixed up in a test ride when Brad had re-geared a bike, I jumped on the back, he rode with demented abandon....slid the bike sideways ...I can remember him laughing, all he was thinking about was scaring me, I was looking at the six inch deep cut-drain I could see looming , the bike hit it both wheels at once ,got airborne in a sort of barrel roll and landed on Brad's arm, I was unmarked but he was pretty badly hurt. His mum screamed at me like she was possessed and rang my mum to come and get me....he'd tried to kill me, he was her fault.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 18, 2012, 08:39:07 PM
I just got a text from The Colonel who it seems is at a pre-meet inspection.... it was headed E/GL. there hasn't been anyone other than us running E/GL for at least seven years....but it seems there is now. Greg Butler has finished building this lakester that runs a 250ci Ford straight six.

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/IMG_0650.jpg)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on February 18, 2012, 08:51:25 PM
Is it just the sheet metal that is off the car or does the body stick outside the inner plane?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 18, 2012, 08:59:37 PM
Is it just the sheet metal thas is off the car or does the body stick outside the innerplane?

After careful consideration of that question , and having not seen the car in the flesh my answer would be "Divino"

EDIT:   I think you're right there Phoenix, seems we may still be the only folk running E/GL

EDIT 2: Just called the Colonel he is going to send a front-on shot, then I will be able to answer ....
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on February 19, 2012, 04:04:28 PM
(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc28/grumm441/EGL001.jpg)

(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc28/grumm441/EGL004.jpg)

(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc28/grumm441/EGL003.jpg)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on February 19, 2012, 04:07:15 PM
So it uses a VW torsion bar front end
a Ford 9" differential
and a Ford inline cross flow six
It's interesting to be sure
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: 55chevr on February 19, 2012, 05:17:29 PM
How many days to go?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on February 19, 2012, 05:47:28 PM
Good to see another Ozzy lakester pop up. Cross-flow 250's are a good breathing engine with lotsa good parts available but it looks like he's hurting in the aero department.
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on February 19, 2012, 06:59:16 PM
Good to see another Ozzy lakester pop up. Cross-flow 250's are a good breathing engine with lotsa good parts available but it looks like he's hurting in the aero department.
  Sid.

Enlighten me on the 6 - is this based on the 170-200 ci?

Are the guys in the trailer that short, or is the car that tall?

Looks like you've got a classic Ford-Holden smackdown in the works. 

Cat skinning, 101.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 19, 2012, 07:52:43 PM
Enlighten me on the 6 - is this based on the 170-200 ci?
Are the guys in the trailer that short, or is the car that tall?
Looks like you've got a classic Ford-Holden smackdown in the works. 
Cat skinning, 101.

Yeah, it's a version of a motor they've been wringing the last drops out of for a good 45 years now.Those two guys could walk between your begs with a hat on Chris, no they aren't very tall.

Smackdown is an interesting word.I can quote Enzo Ferrari here " aerodynamics are for people who can't build engines" and say from what I'm looking at Greg is going to need a bigger, better built bullet than us, with a turbo and good head they can make serious power those things but naturally aspirated he's going to be struggling up the same hill we are.

He'll need four runs to get to 200 and break our record this year, then it would be a challenge, until then we'll just meander along the way we are and see him in 2013.

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Glen on February 19, 2012, 07:53:40 PM
Good looking tanks thanks for the pictures. :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on February 19, 2012, 10:29:15 PM
The old version non crossflow 200's & 250's were basically the US engine. The last of them were in the XB Falcons & had a cast-in intake & a 1 barrel carb. There was a hypo version of that called the 2V-250, it had a bolt on intake & a 2 barrel carb. Kind of a rare piece even back then. I ran a 65 XP Falcon hard top down there in the 80's with a 2V-250 & a blow through turbo, it could clean up a healthy 351 Cleveland.  XC Falcon was the first of the crossflow's with an Iron head. They changed the casting of the block to except this head design, which is actually a copy of the Cleveland canted valve design. XE was the first of the "aluminium" heads, XF was the start of the Bosch EFI.
Then I left home, so now you're on your own from here.
Gogg's & Co's engine is actually the Buick 3.8 as we know it.
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on February 20, 2012, 03:00:49 AM
Chris
It's basically the motor out of a taxi cab

Sid
I was working at a ford dealer when Australia changed to unleaded fuel
XE was the start of the Bosch Jetronic fuel injection
They had a limited production with camshafts made of a special cheesium alloy which showed up much quicker on the injected cars than the carburetted cars.  I changed a lot of cams on those piles of carp.
G


Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on February 20, 2012, 07:25:12 AM
G,
A Monaro guy working in a Ford dealership, gotta put food on the table. :x
I never got brand locked, I just liked different. I built a lot of different engines for other peoples tastes back then. How about a turbo'd Kimberly engine in a Marina??
 I had an HG 350 for a while, until some one out at Castlereigh decided I shouldn't have it any more.
How long you had the HK?
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on February 20, 2012, 07:48:21 AM
I've had the HK for about 15 years
When I was at ford I had a VF Valiant Ute with a 327 chev in it
I took the motor out of my Datsun 1600 (510) cos it broke the body
My first car was a for XL Futura. It broke down at my Dads farm and was there until about two years ago when someone stole it
Also had a MkIII Zephyr. It met with an "accident". See if I can find the clip from the newspaper
G
http://flic.kr/p/8U9WuJ
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on February 20, 2012, 04:31:11 PM
You've definately messed with some different stuff.  :cheers:
I saw a MkIII here a few years ago. After all these years, they're a weird looking thing to me now.
Hiding in the barn at the end of the valley here I have a 70 R/T Coronet 440 Sublime car, a 70 R/T Challenger plumb crazy, a 70  Challenger Deputy 225 slant plumb crazy & some other less significant things. I figure if I need to go to Gairdner to go fast in the liner, they would buy my ticket.
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 20, 2012, 05:15:45 PM
I've had the HK for about 15 years
When I was at ford I had a VF Valiant Ute with a 327 chev in it
I took the motor out of my Datsun 1600 (510) cos it broke the body
My first car was a Ford XL Futura. It broke down at my Dads farm and was there until about two years ago when someone stole it
Also had a MkIII Zephyr. It met with an "accident". See if I can find the clip from the newspaper
G
http://flic.kr/p/8U9WuJ

I have , of course, heard all of these stories before and mostly more than once. I still laugh on repeat hearings and even seeing them just then as a line of text I chuckled. I won't spoil his thunder about the Zephyr, but he was hung out to dry. I reckon you've had the HK for 12years G....I thought you got it when I was at Thornbury...the second time I saw it you did the Blues Brothers park out front.......
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on February 21, 2012, 02:34:42 AM
Maybe 13 years, cos I bought it when was working at Cafe Racer
and then I found out I had too many Cortinas.
And I t was a "Nice Charger" when you were at Thornbury as I recall
Now if we were to talk about the bikes i've had :roll: :roll: :roll:
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on February 21, 2012, 09:34:44 AM
"Too many Cortina's" LMFAO trying to get my head around that one.  :mrgreen: :cheers:
I still wana see the bent Zeph.
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 22, 2012, 04:05:18 PM
Enough behind the hand talk. Graham "parked the Zephyr, upside down, on a clothes line " I think was the description....At Thornbury I was in the throes of a breakup of a long relationship, my ex needed a car and in an effort to smooth things I bought one of the too many Cortinas, a neat Mk1. It was a very well kempt relic,apart from some car-park dings that had been added by Graham's ex "Rock-girl" it was a pretty straight concern but the paint was scabby and it had a few primer patches.. I think I gave him $2400 for it.

I fixed a rotten rocker, replaced the fuel tank and sorted out some long term stuff....once it was finished I didn't want to be doing any warranty work for a customer I wasn't keen on doing business with , I then painted the car. My drummer turned up one day and said, "have you paid Graham for it yet?.....I'd be paying him before he sees it or he's gonna want it back".....he did want it back, but he's a gentleman and stuck to the deal. My ex drove the car a bit, trucked it across the country, drove it a bit, trucked it back to Melbourne and then left it in my yard where every long white sock wearing Cortina fan pestered me about it before she relented and let me sell it,of course she made a profit.

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on February 22, 2012, 06:36:20 PM
I'm doing some work at home today
I work three days and then have four off
I'm looking at a good friend of mines scooter.
It's been sitting here for a while and I have been reluctant to give it back to him because I am scared he might ride it

My task was to make it run and fix the stand.
Making it run. Well I put petrol in it and it ran
Fixing the stand. So I have a look underneath it to see why the stand is going so far forward
The main reason being that the stand stops have pushed thru the rust holes in the floor

It reminded me of a day at the Ford dealer long ago. we used to do roadworthy certificates, which are required to register a vehicle or transfer a vehicle when you buy it.
So I put this 64 holden wagon on the two post hoist, and proceed to lift the middle up while the wheels stayed on the ground.

Normally I just tell him his scooter was firetrucked. however it has been recently restored by the President of the scooter club
that I'm in. Or maybe, was in
This causes me some problems. good thing he didn't bring it to my work where I have some legal obligations

On another note, it would seem that being on this forum ages you somewhat
G

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on February 22, 2012, 11:39:31 PM
"Upside down on a cloths line", I'd say you pegged it G.
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 23, 2012, 12:27:41 AM
"Upside down on a cloths line", I'd say you pegged it G.
  Sid.

the front end washed out.......siezed the top-loader and put it in a spin. :roll:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Jon on February 23, 2012, 01:57:55 PM
"Upside down on a cloths line", I'd say you pegged it G.
  Sid.

the front end washed out.......siezed the top-loader and put it in a spin. :roll:

Front must have been out of balance for that to happen..........
Cops can be nasty about that sort of thing, did he get put through the wringer or was he hung out to dry?

jon
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on February 23, 2012, 10:58:19 PM
Sounds like it mighta already been wrung out when the top loader went into park!!  Laundry can be so hazardous.
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Peter Jack on February 23, 2012, 11:07:21 PM
Boy I hope race season gets here shortly!  :-D :-D :evil:

Pete
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on February 24, 2012, 05:26:05 PM
Pete
Less than a month and I'm standing on salt
I might have to bring a jar it back for Goggles, who will not be standing on salt but stressing about where to get married
http://www.dlra.org.au/
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on February 24, 2012, 06:00:45 PM
Pete
Less than a month and I'm standing on salt
I might have to bring a jar it back for Goggles, who will not be standing on salt but stressing about where to get marriedhttp://www.dlra.org.au/
G

 :? :? :?

They're still looking for a venue?

 :-o

Oh, dear . . .
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on February 24, 2012, 06:13:05 PM
They've got 5 weeks
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on February 24, 2012, 07:05:49 PM
Oh, yeah - stupid me - plenty of time . . .  :-D

Stateside, we have what I refer to as "the Wedding Industrial Complex", a clandestine, pseudo monolithic syndicate of independent businesses that prey upon unrealistic bridal expectations and rake in piles of cash by doing so.  Here, landing a location less than 5 months out would be unspeakable.

That the good Dr. and his bride are taking a more relaxed approach tells me one thing . . .

This one is going to work!  :cheers:

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 24, 2012, 07:18:04 PM
Same date, same time,Heidelberg Town Hall G, you'll be able to walk, well, fall home from there.....

do not mention the evil INTERNATIONAL wedding industrial complex......

We changed venues, I had already bought all the wine....against the insistence of Deb I had bought a number of different varieties.It would have got pretty boring getting through 14 dozen bottles of one red and one white.......just as well I hadn't already bought the beer as well, you may have never heard from me again.....
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on February 25, 2012, 05:30:07 PM
We were looking forward to going to the country
well it looks like a $5 cab ride for us, unless the 903 bus goes past there
It goes past every where else
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 28, 2012, 04:10:33 PM
The Sprite of Sunshine at Simon Davidson's "Salt and Smoke" exhibition.

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/423745_3330963282575_1523291234_330.jpg)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on February 28, 2012, 10:19:02 PM
Thats art right there mate!
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Peter Jack on February 28, 2012, 10:35:15 PM
I love that photo.  :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

Pete
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on February 28, 2012, 10:51:44 PM
you could have put a gold filter on the lens and then with a golden halo, we might have thought that it was driven by a reincarnated Salt Saint or a wayward Angle!
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Freud on February 28, 2012, 11:06:35 PM
Simon, I do wish I was there to share.

FREUD
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: salt27 on February 28, 2012, 11:16:06 PM
you could have put a gold filter on the lens and then with a golden halo, we might have thought that it was driven by a reincarnated Salt Saint or a wayward Angle!

Is this of who you speak?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on February 28, 2012, 11:41:55 PM
 :-o  :cheers:  :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on February 29, 2012, 08:02:31 AM
That's looking very spritely.  8-) Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on February 29, 2012, 08:18:30 AM
He got all the way to Bonneville and realised he forgot something
G
(http://www.landracing.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=862.0;attach=31870)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on February 29, 2012, 09:01:58 AM
He got all the way to Bonneville and realised he forgot something
G
(http://www.landracing.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=862.0;attach=31870)

 :-D

Bring it next time, won't you?   :cheers:

Oh . . . the one with the paint on it . . .
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on February 29, 2012, 09:36:35 AM
The "stealth" tank was sooooo much easier to get through customs... if you had canodized after you got to the states it would be easier to see  :-D  Dang thing does sit really close to the ground   
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 29, 2012, 04:08:53 PM
According to my significant other  "that's Wonderwoman's brother and his amazing invisible car off to solve some crimes".......I'm wishing I hadn't shown her that photo, she's not going to let it alone anytime soon....mocked at home and on the forum...




Speaking of low, here is a shot of Frank Kletchkus's of the Reverend and his nice hat.

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/_NZS1016.jpg)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on February 29, 2012, 05:07:50 PM
If it's any help, you're mocked at my house, too.  :lol: Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on February 29, 2012, 07:40:21 PM
Mocking you here right now
And where is your HANS device
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Rex Schimmer on March 01, 2012, 02:18:31 PM
I see that he has a flat bottom to match his cars.

Rex
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 02, 2012, 06:00:17 PM
I see that he has a flat bottom to match his cars.

Rex

Rex, wherever we end up in the hereafter you and I will be arguing about ride height and flat versus round, all I'm going to say here is that the first round is yours. Don Julio and Margherita mix in a medium size cup, don't bring Tamai.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Rex Schimmer on March 04, 2012, 01:18:14 AM
James,
You and your new wife (or soon to be?) have a standing invitation to sit on my front porch drinking what ever you want and discussing any shaped bottom you desire. I mean that!

Rex
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on March 04, 2012, 03:26:25 AM
James,
You and your new wife (or soon to be?) have a standing invitation to sit on my front porch drinking what ever you want and discussing any shaped bottom you desire. I mean that!

Rex

I try not to let him in my house either
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on March 04, 2012, 03:39:37 AM
James,
You and your new wife (or soon to be?) have a standing invitation to sit on my front porch drinking what ever you want and discussing any shaped bottom you desire. I mean that!

Rex

Doc, I just saw a blip on the self-preservation radar.  
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 04, 2012, 04:50:16 AM
Doc, I just saw a blip on the self-preservation radar.

.......dropping jamming foil as we speak.
I try not to let him in my house either
G

hey, I can only hold my breath for so long anyway....... :roll:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on March 04, 2012, 07:03:55 AM
Speaking of my house
When are you going to take these tyres away
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: 38flattie on March 04, 2012, 09:03:22 AM
Dr. Goggles, I don't want to hi-jack the thread, but I have a question for you. All of the vintage records in DLRA are in roadster,or vintage oval track.

No one runs a vintage coupe there?

Also, it appears that in XXO, there is no provision for an engine 325 CID-375 CID? The only description for XXO I can find simple says"Class is an XO engine, as described, with a specialty cylinder head, such as the Wayne 12 port."

...Just an American neighbour being nosy! :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 04, 2012, 11:44:31 PM
Speaking of my house
When are you going to take these tyres away
G

Hey, let's not get too hasty, there are still about three people in the landspeed world who haven't been involved in this escapade/debacle and I reckon there are probably a few countries left that they need to travel through before they get to my place.

Apologies to Sparky, Kiwi Steve, Dan Warner, Greg Watters and the three or four other people who got dragged into it while they were still in the States....

Dr. Goggles, I don't want to hi-jack the thread, but I have a question for you. All of the vintage records in DLRA are in roadster,or vintage oval track.

No one runs a vintage coupe there?

Also, it appears that in XXO, there is no provision for an engine 325 CID-375 CID? The only description for XXO I can find simple says"Class is an XO engine, as described, with a specialty cylinder head, such as the Wayne 12 port."

...Just an American neighbour being nosy! :-D


If I answered those questions Buddy then I'd be wasting both of our time, go to dlra.org.au/forum and register there on our club site and ask the question, then at least we can still be friends(remember that Todd Rundgren song?) and you are far more likely to get correct info. As far as I know we( the DLRA) are now back to following the SCTA rule book but one year behind.... you may have been reading something that has expired.....

Dr G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on March 09, 2012, 12:01:19 AM
And in Australian event news just to hand

Quote
SPEED WEEK CANCELLED !!!

Postby BOB ELLIS » Fri Mar 09, 2012 3:23 pm

UNFORTUNATELY DUE TO WET CONDITIONS<THERE IS NO ALTERNATIVE BUT TO CANCEL THE MEET<THIS WAS CONFIRMED BY INSPECTION TODAY<
The lake currently has 8"of water standing on it,major 'pot holing 'in the surface,the road in was good but the track is a no go.

http://www.dlra.org.au/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=1831

Preparing to use the "B" word
Botheration

G

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Freud on March 09, 2012, 12:15:59 AM
Brilliant planning by Goggles.

He knew all along that he wouldn't be missing a meet.

BUGGA...................

FREUD
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on March 09, 2012, 12:25:38 AM
Damn and double damn.

There is no more dedicated group of racers than our friends in Oz.

You deserve better than a coin flip's chance.

So sorry to hear this - AGAIN.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 09, 2012, 02:35:51 AM
Hey Pa,
don't accord me special powers.....

I'm going to be really honest here . I was really happy the other day when I saw reports that it looked good. Today , on hearing the news there was a strange relief that I wouldn't miss the meet. Not glad it wasn't going ahead just relief that I wasn't missing something....but i sure do feel for everyone who's thrown their all at it in time to get there...because I've done that a few times...twice it's been cancelled as we were readying to leave.And both times we've raced we've watched the lake dry so we could race.....dammmmm you Hughey :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Peter Jack on March 09, 2012, 06:07:11 AM
Really sorry to hear this news guys. It's too bad there isn't some way to have a flexible date so the meet could be held at the first dry week. It would still be a gamble but maybe a little less so. There would also be little details that might interfere such as employment, etc. Your weather there seems to be much more variable than it is at Bonneville.

Pete
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on March 09, 2012, 06:19:48 PM
Really sorry to hear this news guys. It's too bad there isn't some way to have a flexible date so the meet could be held at the first dry week. It would still be a gamble but maybe a little less so. There would also be little details that might interfere such as employment, etc. Your weather there seems to be much more variable than it is at Bonneville.

Pete

The biggest thing that interferes with that is the availability of qualified Paramedics and Fire crews
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 11, 2012, 04:08:56 AM
Brilliant planning by Goggles.

He knew all along that he wouldn't be missing a meet.

BUGGA...................

FREUD

Hey Pa,
don't accord me special powers.....

far out...I was just going through some old posts and I found this from January


I had a dream last night. I was at Lake Gairdner, what with the wedding and all I'd had to annoy a few people , one in particular,just to get there.....I was sitting in a car, there was mud everywhere and it was pissing rain, the meet was off and I couldn't get out.....

I think it's getting to me


Maybe I jinxed it?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Jon on March 11, 2012, 05:12:42 AM
Can someone get the feathers, I've got the tar simmering  :-)

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on March 11, 2012, 09:24:34 AM
Goggles said "Maybe I jinxed it?".
Do you really think you have that much power?  :roll: Really? Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on March 11, 2012, 11:59:30 AM
It was the Aboriginal Dream Weaver who put the dream in his head because he interrupted his "walkabout"
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 11, 2012, 05:50:21 PM
Goggles said "Maybe I jinxed it?".
Do you really think you have that much power?  :roll: Really? Wayno

ha,not in this house I don't. :roll:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on March 13, 2012, 11:25:30 PM
I must admit I am up there in the guilty thoughts stakes with DrG. I felt a kind of relief as to not be missing out on something this year. Sorry for all of those who have worked so hard to be ready again to be weirded out of play by rain.

It has been a strange year for us with little work done on the Spirit of Sunshine but much done on the sprite by Dr G solo.

It is not just the weather system out of whack it has been us.

When we started I was living in a truck and that was three girlfriends ago for the dr. Now I am married with kid in China and he is on his way to the married place too (with a top chick I might add. Not much has been said about Lady Goggles here (we need a team name for her!) but there are not many that could be willing to invest in a lifetime of the good doctors brand of sharp observational wit but she has and brings back her own in equal measure.)

Somehow we need to get the cogs to remesh in the making of the car of our team time as it does not just need the gods of speed and weather to play, but us.

I have spoken before about the Dharma of this project and how doors were opening to barriers that we didn't even knew existed which gave us faith that we were on the right track. But recently those doors have not been so obvious.

I guess any great journey there has to be an approximation to death before the heroes return to transcend their station. Even Mad Max had his low period before opening a can of whoopass in Barter town.

So here we sit dampened by the tyranny of distance (and rain) but with our hopes still smouldering. I can sense the return, the re commitment to the project, to make it happen, and in the end the ultimate victory; a run at Bonneville targeting the world record.

The story would be less without the ardor. Without adversity there would not be courage (or charity) and we have seen so much in this tail from our friends all over the world.

Thanks.

Dik



Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on March 13, 2012, 11:52:28 PM
we have seen so much in this tail from our friends all over the world.

We talking about Tony's avatars again?   :-)

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on March 14, 2012, 12:17:12 AM
Apologies, "tail" = "tale."

China Update

We have pulled our daughter out of the Chinese preschool that liked to show lots of films with men with machine guns,and when they weren't showing those they were showing cartoons of sheep and wolves with machine guns. Not wholly appropriate fare for three year olds we thought and there were other issues so we looked elsewhere.

We now have a much cooler preschool where they have a play shop to practice buying and selling stuff.

What goods they buy and sell you ask?

Well they two kinds, firstly they have a complete range of cigarettes in the front counter and a top shelf range of hard liquor in the back counter. Just like your liquor / cigarette store on the street. Perfect life lessons for a newbie in a this world. The school mistress was most surprised that we thought this was a tad inappropriate for three year olds.

That said when I went to hospital two weeks ago my doctor greeted me with a lit cigarette in the hospital so I guess it must be ok... I am just an over sensitive westerner.

Dik



Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on March 14, 2012, 05:33:33 PM
That's one of the things I had wondered about there, how politically correct they would be. That gives some insight.
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on March 14, 2012, 06:07:47 PM
What goes round comes round -- looks like they may have an agenda  :-o
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: gearheadeh on March 14, 2012, 06:52:04 PM
That's one of the things I had wondered about there, how politically correct they would be. That gives some insight.
  Sid.

Yes, keep it coming please, REV. :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on March 21, 2012, 05:11:16 PM
In todays DLRA news

Quote from: Carol Hatfield DLRA club secretary
We had a committee meeting tonight and the following items were decided:

• We intend to have another attempt at holding Speedweek 2012 on the week of 28th of May through to 1st of June at Lake Gairdner, this of course depends on the condition of the lake and permission from DEH to do this, we intend to have regular lake inspections carried out weekly in the weeks leading up the scheduled event. David Pluckham has undertaken to co-ordinate a roster of South Australian members to provide weekly updates, these findings are to be dated and posted on the DLRA home page.
• The AGM is to be held at Lake Gairdner during that week.
• We will still have a general meeting at Tailem Bend on the 5th of May commencing at 7pm, the Test and Tune strip will be available during the day from 9am through to 5pm.
• We intend to change the dates for our Annual Speedweek to late January/early February, the actual dates will depend on the moon cycle and we will have a rainout date for late May/early June each year starting in 2013.
• We will get a newsletter out as soon as possible and have asked Greg Wapling to put this on the home page of the website along with the forum.

So some good news at last
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on March 21, 2012, 07:16:51 PM
Grand News!  A make-up date that far out at least gives racers an opportunity to think about preparing a backup plan, and let's face it, March hasn't been particularly good to you.

To hoping the ducks fall neatly in a row.   :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 21, 2012, 07:19:25 PM
YFB :cheers:

Late May, we'll be going dawn til dusk and dealing with some chilly weather but if the salt is dry, that's when we should be there.....

here's a pic from Frank Kletschkus 2009 (see his site: http://twixt-two-wheels.jalbum.net/Spirit%20of%20Sunshine/)

Startline Gairdner.

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/Bellytankstartline047.jpg)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Jon on March 21, 2012, 07:32:45 PM
You going to be there Giggles?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on March 21, 2012, 07:35:09 PM
You going to be there Giggles?
x2
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 21, 2012, 07:59:05 PM
Not with the car I don't think ,the whole program is OOW. We need to get the HANS sorted, new helmet and sort out the rear axle situation before we can think about taking the car.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on March 21, 2012, 08:40:24 PM
Not with the car I don't think ,the whole program is OOW. We need to get the HANS sorted, new helmet and sort out the rear axle situation before we can think about taking the car.

And there are some other negotiations that will have to made as well
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Jon on March 21, 2012, 11:05:49 PM
Depending on the outcomes of said negotiatons you can borrow my HANS & new helmet if it fits.

I only got a Simpson Pro Rage so its not Carbon, may not be bling enough for you, I will go to Supercheap and get some stick on carbon :).

If your interested I will post it as soon as it turns up.

I know Ross was looking forward to wearing it in his liner but he will probably wait.

You just need to get you ass...... I mean dif into gear. :-D

jon
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on March 21, 2012, 11:30:05 PM

You just need to get you Acura...... I mean dif into gear. :-D

jon

Seems I recall a transport vehicle being sold . . .  :roll:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 22, 2012, 12:37:03 AM

You just need to get you Acura...... I mean dif into gear. :-D

jon

Seems I recall a transport vehicle being sold . . .  :roll:

Has there been a picture of me in a mink trench coat with big gold chains draped all over me leaning against a Lexus posted on the forum somewhere?????  :? :? :? :?

nope,

Still got the truck. :roll:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: landsendlynda on March 23, 2012, 12:38:20 AM

What fantastic news!!!

 Special offerings to the "Salt Gods" will be forthcoming from here...I'll even drive out to Land's End to try and get their attention!!!!   :roll:      :cheers:    :cheers:

Lynda
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Freud on March 29, 2012, 01:19:16 AM
There's no give-up in those Down Under Buggars.

GO FOR IT.

It's cold at B'ville in October.

Get some winter duds.

All RIGHT

FREUD
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 29, 2012, 07:00:29 PM
final transmission prior to "going in"

weather looks good, I think everything is done....

 :cheers:

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Jon on March 29, 2012, 07:08:36 PM
Good luck man. I'm sure it will all go good for you.

Cheers
jon
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Freud on March 29, 2012, 07:11:54 PM
Goggles, stay big and have it good.

FREUD
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on March 29, 2012, 07:49:43 PM
final transmission prior to "going in"

weather looks good, I think everything is done....

 :cheers:


We look forward to welcoming you on the other side.   :wink:

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Moxnix on March 29, 2012, 08:20:21 PM
Marriage being an institution, you're about to willingly be institutionalized. 

All seriousness aside, all the best--

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Peter Jack on March 29, 2012, 10:53:01 PM
All the best to both of you Dr. Goggles and above all have FUN!  :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

Pete
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on March 30, 2012, 10:27:41 PM
two and half hours to go
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Freud on March 30, 2012, 11:05:24 PM
We may as well have a cold one for the Dr.

I can imagine he's sweating right now.

Go, Dr. Goggles.

The Postal Service returned your gift today.

They said it was inappropriate.

FREUD
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on March 31, 2012, 03:19:55 AM
Well. it's done
Sorry , no pictures
They're married

:cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on March 31, 2012, 04:52:54 AM
& another one crosses over to the dark side.  :cry:
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on March 31, 2012, 01:18:18 PM
We may as well have a cold one for the Dr.

I can imagine he's sweating right now.

Go, Dr. Goggles.

The Postal Service returned your gift today.

They said it was inappropriate.

FREUD

And I was working on having Pizza's delivered to the reception, but was warned off. 

Freud, I'm beginning to suspect interference on the Aussie team.

Doc, last night, our time, I was in the hall that Kate and I had had our wedding reception in.  It’s the venue for our annual "Spoof Fest" in Milwaukee, where members of the music community put together ~ 10 bands over two nights, send up a 20 minute set of a famous band's stuff, and it's all great fun.  It's about as close to Mardi Gras as Beerhaven will ever get.

I looked at my watch, and realized that you were probably stepping up the aisle with Deb on the way to your reception, and likely heading to a hall not too dissimilar to the one I was in.

So Kate and my friend Tim raised our glasses to both you and Deb to the strains of "Jailbreak" by Thin Lizzy.

Best wishes, and congratulations to the two of you!
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: fredvance on March 31, 2012, 03:38:36 PM
Congratulations Doc, as Queen said, another one bites the dust. :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on March 31, 2012, 03:43:36 PM
So we've got a hoon on his honeymoon?  :lol: Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on March 31, 2012, 05:42:50 PM
No, he's not one of the hoon's, they're a whole different animal. Might need to hook you guys up with downunda dictionary.
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Tman on March 31, 2012, 05:47:14 PM
Congrats.........I think? :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: landsendlynda on April 01, 2012, 05:15:32 PM
Congrats.........I think? :-D



Yeah, what Tman said!!!!   :-D   Congratulations....really!!!   :cheers:      :cheers:

Lynda
Title: Wedding photos
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on April 01, 2012, 11:03:46 PM
A bit blurry but so was the Colonel who took it probably...

But a paparazzi snap of the wedding!

Bless.

revH+
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on April 01, 2012, 11:04:37 PM
And yes, it is still about 1930 in Melbourne...
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Freud on April 02, 2012, 12:36:36 AM
She Won !!

There's no lakester on the wedding cake.

He gave up early.

Do you think she can ever enjoy Wendover?

FREUD
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: wobblywalrus on April 02, 2012, 01:47:17 AM
The wedding cake is a nice salty white color.  A good sign.  A cute couple, as Rose often says. 
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on April 02, 2012, 09:16:34 AM
Congrats guys!!!  :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

---hummmm  i think is see it now-- :evil: -lots of the driver compartment fitment issues be a could easily be addresssed ddressed with a sex change:  of drivers
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on April 02, 2012, 09:46:47 AM
Doc G, thinking on this side of the pond is that you obviously married "up".  That young lady is way to nice looking to be hooked up with you.  :-D  So what did you do, slip a Mickey in her beer and get her pregnant so she had to marry you  :evil:
Seriously, congratulations, have a great honeymoon and then get back to the shop.  I hear you guys may have a race track later this year.  :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on April 02, 2012, 10:39:06 AM
Stainless, if memory serves me correctly, some crafty subterfuge was involved which put the fair young maiden at a logistical disadvantage.

They were on a boat when Doc popped the question, which limited her escape options.

Yet another reason I won't play poker with the Aussies.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on April 02, 2012, 09:55:18 PM
I'm back,
Just starting to feel human again after a few days that passed with ample refreshment. The best man has gone north to visit family before returning to Ireland,the lady of the house had to work today,that proves there is a god because letting me out in Public today would involve considerable occupational health and safety concerns. Thanks to all for your kind comments,we had a tremendous time.

I'll be back in the shed soon,who knows we might even get that diff done  by May :|
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Tman on April 02, 2012, 10:34:58 PM
I am gunna drink one of those fine IPAs tomorrow and do a mental toast to you two. Got a hot date for the Chuckwagon Dinner and Western Music show :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Kiwi Paul on April 03, 2012, 12:31:59 AM
Excellent, Doc. It`s not a bad road to be on, y`know.... :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Freud on April 03, 2012, 11:13:33 AM
For all of those that are close to him, has he changed for the better?

We can always hope.

FREUD
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on April 03, 2012, 11:30:25 AM
Mr personality now has a boss, good on ya mate. It's not good luck, it's all good management. I know, I've failed twice.
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on April 03, 2012, 06:42:44 PM
Excellent, Doc. It`s not a bad road to be on, y`know.... :cheers:

And judging by the photo, the scenery is spectacular!
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Jon on April 03, 2012, 07:40:52 PM
Congratulations Goggles.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Freud on April 08, 2012, 12:30:02 PM
We certainly are not hearing much from Goggles.

He may be having a tough time with the censor.

Or he may be exhausted.

FREUD
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: 4-barrel Mike on April 08, 2012, 12:58:43 PM
Or maybe he's bought a sailboat for the Mrs.  :-(

Mike
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on April 08, 2012, 03:31:38 PM
Thats what happens when you sign the contract, you divide your life up into all the new stuff & see what you have left!
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on April 08, 2012, 06:36:02 PM
Speaking of dividing your interests and sailboats, where's Sumner?


Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Glen on April 08, 2012, 06:51:18 PM
I will check on him
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on April 08, 2012, 08:07:35 PM
He and Ruth have has some health issuses but I think they are doing OK should be heading down to Fla pretty soon!!
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Tman on April 08, 2012, 09:15:25 PM
He and Ruth have has some health issuses but I think they are doing OK should be heading down to Fla pretty soon!!

Thats why NOTHING is a bucket list item!
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on April 09, 2012, 02:55:38 AM
We certainly are not hearing much from Goggles.

He may be having a tough time with the censor.

Or he may be exhausted.

FREUD

 I spoke to Goggles on Friday, and he was sitting with Deb at the Philip Island penguin parade, waiting for the penguins.
No, really!

Me and mine went to Philip Island today, on the way home from a holiday house in Venus Bay.
We had a lovely lunch, and then it took us an hour to get the 6 or so miles off the island.
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on April 09, 2012, 09:56:16 AM
I spoke to Goggles on Friday, and he was sitting with Deb at the Philip Island penguin parade, waiting for the penguins.
No, really!

Ah, the romance of a honeymoon getaway.

Is Morgan Freeman the parade marshall for this aqua-avian smelt run?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on April 09, 2012, 08:08:31 PM
Ok, I'm back proper this time.

The last of our house guests left yesterday, Maureen from Belfast via London an old teaching buddy of Deb's, she's no spring chicken but boy she can party with the best of them....Yes, we were at the Phillip Island Penguin Parade...we were offered a few days at my cousins beach house and decided that would be the perfect way to show Maureen some of the local wildlife....

(http://aphs.worldnomads.com/stowaway/1715/penguin4.jpg)

There are 32,000 of them at the Phillip Island colony..everyone rushes in and fights over seats next to the beach to watch some sneak across the sand...then on the walk back across the dune walkway you realise they are practically falling out of the trees bleating and flapping their little flippers so much that even the Japanese girls get bored with the cuteness of it all.........Maureen was watching three of 'em stagger up a grassy path like drunks at closing time with bellies full of fish when a wallaby broke cover and nearly jumped right on top of one......
We saw koalas, kangaroos, wallabies, wombats, fruit bats, even old bats in fact if it slithered swam, flew or hopped we saw it do it's thing. And, for the locals we even saw a magpie catch a mouse( and no, not in a fauna park), that was something to see.... One part of the Phillip Island fauna community that is doing particularly well are the rabbits, we ran one over the first night we were there.......

We left the island at a more opportune time than the Colonel and Corrinne, we circled Westernport bay and then caught the ferry across Port Phillip and drove along the Great Ocean Road (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Ocean_Roadhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Ocean_Road) to Apollo Bay. The next day we took our Irish friend to the Old Melbourne Gaol where Ned Kelly (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ned_Kelly) was hung, the Irish have a special thing for our Ned.

Yes ,the wedding was a wild time, the bride , through no fault of her own she stressed to me , was an hour late.The weather was perfect, the bride sang Bob Dylan's "The Wedding Song" , the groom sang Barry Manilow's "I Can't Smile Without You"....... The reception was a blur. We had a song-list of 20 songs to be played by a moving feast of guests in various combinations, a logistical nightmare on a good day.....but we didn't think it fair to hire a band to play in front of our friends who'd be bored, put out they didn't get the gig or un-necessarily harsh critics so we made them sing for their supper... amongst others the bride sang Nutbush City Limits and Teardrops by the Womacks....

The best man as I said earlier headed north two days later to stay with family before heading back to Galway Ireland, he fooled us all with his fevered preparations for his speech, throwing it away at the last minute and telling of the happy couple's visit to his place in Ireland '08, an event that involved traditional Irish hospitality applied with abandon.

Ok, I'm going out to the shed , first things first, I'm going to tidy up.



Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on April 09, 2012, 08:25:38 PM
You were looking pretty tidy in the wedding pic but I spose it went down hill from there.
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on April 10, 2012, 01:09:46 AM
I made a start.

It's a shame that the Rev is in China because I think his fondest memories of working on the car are from when I have cracked the shits after tripping over stuff and started a clean up, this usually involves getting the air compressor cranked to 120psi and blowing every microscopic piece of grit and dust around the shed about fifty times and then out the door.It is best to do this on a still, wet day like today because then once it eventually finds it's way out it stays out......it's probably another reason the Colonel gets the motor out of the car at the first opportunity and takes it elsewhere....anyway Rev, shame you missed it....I had it in my ears nose and mouth...and I actually blew some out the door. Now, it might look like a bomb-site but trust me it was a minefield before the tidy up....f knows why I have or keep SO MANY jagged mangled, rusted and for all intensive purposes useless pieces of steel lying around......

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/P4100492.jpg)

Then I washed the car once I'd had a bit of a tidy up.It had that usual " I've been ignored" coating of black dust that seems to be the perfect mix of sharp dust and grime that wounds paint and defies easy removal.....

then, I had a sit down with Ol Pumpkin head....

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/P4100496.jpg)

The rule in the pic indicates roughly the point where the carrier would centre the axles, it looks to be about 20mm out and there is really only another 10mm we could pick up by shifting the pumpkin over and as it stands I estimate that it is already 10 to 15mm off centre to the left, so we are going to need some new axles.

here is the carrier in place, without thrust washers...the centre is further over than I estimated....defo new axles.....should have read the earlier posts from when I started this.....

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/P4100497.jpg)

I just did some rough measurements to double check....adding the first and second measurements and then subtracting them from the third tells us the gap between the axles and where the centreline should sit in relation to the bearings.

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/P4100495.jpg)

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/P4100494.jpg)

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/P4100493.jpg)

Gives us 185mm -(77 + 87)= 21mm (min)

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on April 10, 2012, 02:34:42 AM
So.
1: what are you doing at home?
2: how close was I with the measurements?
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on April 10, 2012, 03:53:18 AM
So.
1: what are you doing at home?
2: how close was I with the measurements?
G

FMD, what does it look like?...unless I got my calculations wrong I still have a week off, no-one has rung up asking where I am , so......

Your measurements were fine but your maths was off, I'm taking the axles I have here to Taverner's tomorrow to see what I can do to get the centre point moved 40mm if that makes sense.......they have new blanks , I figure we can buy one new one and get it splined and get the long one shortened so as to be 40mm longer than the short one is now......

Then we need to find a kit and then we need to find some shims and then.....I'm wondering if it might be better to take it to a diff guy( yeah, I'll ask Taverners).....after all it's heavy but I can unbolt the rear superstructure and take the whole lot on the truck.

You've got my number :wink:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Jon on April 10, 2012, 03:56:20 AM
I've heard Grumm is pretty good with a welder;

6 step process

(1) Work out the how much longer the short ones to be.
(2) Cut both axles with the offcut from the long axle longer than the offcut from the short axle by the distance in step 1
(3) Swap offcuts and turn/grind them to a point
(4) Weld them up while keeping them fairly straight between centers
(5) Shove them in dry sand and drink some beer while they cool
(6) Bump them true in a press

They will do a year

Cost; cutoff and grinding wheel, migwire and gas, beer.

Getting to the salt; priceless

jon
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on April 10, 2012, 04:00:19 AM
I've heard Grumm is pretty good with a welder;


I don't know who you heard that from


You've got my number :wink:


374

G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Jon on April 10, 2012, 04:01:59 AM
I've heard Grumm is pretty good with a welder;


I don't know who you heard that from

I hear voices
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on April 10, 2012, 04:25:33 AM
I've heard Grumm is pretty good with a welder;
6 step process
They will do a year
jon

Grumm is a gun with a soldering iron, welding jobs tend to land in my lap.

If I was going that way I'd get some 33x50 (the axle forgings are 33mm) hollow bar and sleeve them, it'd cost a little more but it'd be a lot easier to manage getting the length spot on....plug weld them with holes right through the bar so they'd be matched stress wise......hmmmm, cheap, and on site......

Geez we're bums  :roll:


Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on April 10, 2012, 04:48:25 AM
I can weld, but Goggs did half of a welding course
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on April 10, 2012, 04:58:34 AM
I can weld, but Goggs did half of a welding course
G


yeah, but I passed the whole thing with 100%, surprising as that seems.....the greatest tuition I received was from my dad's German mate Rudy Baer " Bah, don't velt like a deekhead.......zat looooks like bardsheet, here let me "

I found the first test piece on the tube we used for the frame today, not a picture perfect bead, but full penetration.....that car isn't coming apart anytime soon.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on April 10, 2012, 05:15:53 AM

btw: peoples, here is a rough that the Rev has done for a t-shirt....... I've thrown in some back-chat from the email too.....


 Reverend Hedgash wrote:
       
       
         Started on the tee shirt... Not quite right yet but some nice bits coming out.

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/BellytankT-Shirt.jpg)

       
        I am trying to get that balance of nativity and accuracy.
        Comments?
       
         rH+

Goggles wrote:

        I think, to improve the nativity aspect that you should draw a goat and a donkey looking on.....we already have the three wise men. otherwise it's ace, not so keen on the shading marks that are perpendicular to the direction of travel.

Hedgash wrote:
Ok, do you mean the ones on the body? On the wheels, Or the parallel ones to travel off the wheels as speed lines?

    There are other shading methods, benday dots (halftone screen print style) etc.

    I am going to throw it into some different graphic programs to have a look at that and to get it a bit more balanced in overall style; it's a bit of a hotch potch  of techniques...

    Just watched Le Mans the Steve McQueen race epic. Fiat that film's slow. Nice cars though...

    Dik

Goggles wrote:
   
The ones on the body. Can you try it with a rising sun behind it maybe? Or maybe a "Spirit of Sunshine" in the harvester font?


Hedgash wrote:
Sure. The horizon line is quite high but that might work....
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on April 10, 2012, 09:58:35 AM

 Or maybe a "Spirit of Sunshine" in the harvester font?


I'll take 2 T's, a hoodie, a chef's apron, a set of the wine glasses and a couple of can cozies - send me an invoice.

Or is it too early to pre-order?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on April 10, 2012, 10:10:44 AM
Unh, fellas, how 'bout giving Nancy and me a shot at being your American distributors for the shirts and other team memorabilia?  'Specially since we can manufacture all of MM's mentioned items.  Full color (photographs as well as drawn art) and not (repeat NOT) silk screened and therefore longer-lasting, and best of all -- low shipping costs.

I mention this to let everyone know that we do team stuff more and more these days.  Nice start there on the car -- who's the artist?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Rex Schimmer on April 10, 2012, 11:29:30 AM
A quote from Dr. Gogs post of yesterday, "f knows why I have or keep SO MANY jagged mangled, rusted and for all intensive purposes useless pieces of steel lying around......" James its call INVENTORY!!! As soon as you throw it away you will need it. That is someone's rule.

Rex
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Jon on April 10, 2012, 05:16:03 PM
Nice design, I wondered if the Sunshine was in any way connected to the harvesters.

Axle shopping and bluing crownwheel and pinion engagement today?

Cheers
jon
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on April 10, 2012, 05:53:03 PM
  Nice start there on the car -- who's the artist?

That would be the Reverend
It's part of what he does for a real job
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on April 10, 2012, 06:41:47 PM
Sunshine Harvester? Absolutely. The spirit of sunshine was built in Sunshine Victoria, which is a town named after the sunshine company located there which designed and built the harvester. It's logo was a rising sun.

It is considered a great Australian invention so we were proud enough of our efforts to say that we built it in the same spirit of invention in the same place. (also it is a suggestion of our method of keeping the black dog at bay)

The company was also involved in a serious legal case about working conditions which lead to improvement in local laws about working hours etc, . So a little bit of that too... Goggles, do you even own a safety guard for any of those tools?

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on April 10, 2012, 07:04:00 PM
This the idea for the background?

(http://i361.photobucket.com/albums/oo58/milwaukeemidget/sunshine.jpg)

That's a killer logo, boys.

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on April 10, 2012, 07:48:07 PM
that's the one.......

A bit about HV McKay and his manufacturing works.He was a great philanthropist. Yes , the car is right here in Sunshine...thus the Spirit of Sunshine......too easy really.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on April 12, 2012, 04:00:10 AM
Spent the last two days in axle-land, Subaru just got real. I've taken the rear end off the car, the whole lot will be going to a diff whiz to set it up, THEN we'll work out what length axles we need.....this morning I spoke with a human encyclopaedia of Ford axles, there is no cheap option here because we want to keep the same track.We have to decide on bearings and then once we've done that the shanks will need to be machined as the offset varies from model to model.Were we building the car now we could choose the track width and use stock length axles but we ain't so we cain't.I envy your method Sparky, we're hooked into this now so that's it.

That means we won't make it to the rain date meet at Gairdner, if I had money I could throw at it we'd be a better chance but I just don't at the moment.

Ideally we'll get the set up of the diff to include setting up the 2.41:1 centre as well as the 2.56 we intend to use so we have the shims and spacers we need if we ever want to change ratio at the lake, at this stage we don't have a 2.73 for the ten-bolt and were hoping we don't need it . The car used to run 2.77:1.

The back came off easily, nine bolts on the frame members and a couple of little welds on the latter framework for the body.
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/P4120498.jpg)

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/P4120501.jpg)

Nothing had rusted too badly and I'm glad I used anti-sieze copper on the bolts.You'll notice the the plate that the piece is made from is half inch, it's got some weight.
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/P4120499.jpg)

It's time for a bit of a clean up and paint.....I'd rather be racing.....

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on April 12, 2012, 04:25:57 AM
What you could also do is make those freakin'n holes for the exhaust wider while it's off the car.

I still very much want us to get that exhaust exiting the car straight too...

rH+
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on April 12, 2012, 04:30:11 AM
What you could also do is make those freakin'n holes for the exhaust wider while it's off the car.

I still very much want us to get that exhaust exiting the car straight too...

rH+

Or more to the point
Get them out so I can get them ceramic coated
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on April 12, 2012, 10:03:20 AM
If you are trying to control heat inside a closed car ceramic is almost useless... we were "convinced" one year that once we coated the pipes we would never wrap pipes again.  After melting most of the wiring  :x in the engine compartment on the first pass we temp fixed everything and wrapped the pipes.  In small enclosed compartments wrapping is required. 
Doc, good to see you back in the shop
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: manta22 on April 12, 2012, 12:49:14 PM
"This the idea for the background?"

It looks a bit Japanese, doesn't it?  :roll:

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ


Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on April 12, 2012, 01:08:37 PM
My thought ws they could use it as a paint scheme.  Start with the nose, and follow it through like the old MG Humbug.

http://stefanssketchblog.blogspot.com/2010/06/mg-ex135-humbug.html

By the way - this guy's working for the Bloodhound team.
Title: Colour theory
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on April 12, 2012, 07:23:17 PM
I share the Japanese concern Neil, but then again I think we all share the same sun and it has been represented that way in many cultures for a long time.

The flag is red and white and the harvester sign is deserty yellow and red which helps separate it a little. On a tee shirt it will be a single colour on a tee colour so some control there.

I do like the MG. one new livery we have been discussing is painting it in a range of metallic coppers and golds, and using the sun motif seems apt for this. I do like the current paint job but it is also a bit too derivative of SoCal and others for my liking.

The salt environment is such a good background for the car to photograph but some colours seem to work better than others. Yellows seem to go well at Gairdner, I think because of the cobalt blue sky. The off primary red we used (sting red) works well, and we chose a cream instead of a white to separate it from the lake surface and because I think cream gives more depth to the surface of the car than white (I also fell in love with bandage yellow Mercedes when I was young...)

Rod Hadfield's Bronze Aussie was a metallic copper/gold which worked well but I think we may still need another colour to keep it looking clean.

I cannot remember seeing a successful green. (I cannot wait to see Big Gaze' toxic green ford powered Jaguar XJS on the salt. I believe he chose this colour to annoy the purists and it should be a site to see...)

An early idea we had was following the colour of some local fauna such as the more colorful reptiles such as Aussie snakes and crocodiles in the area. This pallete would naturally tie in with the Gairdner environs and add an innate meanness to the scheme. It would also help satisfy our Desire to keep it a local design rather than borrowing a foreign colour scheme.

Getting the local aboraginal tribe to do an x-ray painting or dot painting scheme wouldbe pretty cool too!

rH+





Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on April 12, 2012, 07:40:26 PM
If you are trying to control heat inside a closed car ceramic is almost useless... we were "convinced" one year that once we coated the pipes we would never wrap pipes again.  After melting most of the wiring  :x in the engine compartment on the first pass we temp fixed everything and wrapped the pipes.  In small enclosed compartments wrapping is required. 
Doc, good to see you back in the shop

Nope
It's just to make it look pretty
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on April 12, 2012, 07:46:28 PM
What you could also do is make those freakin'n holes for the exhaust wider while it's off the car.
I still very much want us to get that exhaust exiting the car straight too...
rH+

Haha. Here ,people, is an insight into the high tech world of the Spirit of Sunshine and crew.During the build a few years back .....six maybe, when we had the bulkhead cut two three inch holes were thought to be adequate for the collector pipes to run through to where they would merge.....they weren't really and with a million other things to do I just whacked a flange on either end and welded them up making them captive.This has been a constant source of aggravation for the Rev.He is also more than a little interested in having the exhaust leave the car straight too.....straighter than it is here

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/Bellytankstartline047.jpg)

Now there's over four feet of that pipe unsupported heading out through the tail of the car, by laying a bead around one side it can be coaxed either way but it is an imprecise science. We could also make some struts to attach the tailpipe with pipe adjusters or turnbuckles but each adjustment would involve taking the tail-piece of the body on and off, that sounds easy but it involves removing the 'chute bucket every time, probably 20-30 min turn around.Meanwhile I keep seeing parts of the car that could have weeks thrown at them. As I have mentioned in the past a good solution may be to use the bulkhead as the union for the collectors and the merge/tail-pipe so that they all bolt to it, it's either that or a slip fitting I figure.

"This the idea for the background?"

It looks a bit Japanese, doesn't it?  :roll:
Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ

I've been waiting for this to come up, like the sun every day. The Japanese don't own the imagery and if some people are offended by the sight of it then I hope they can accept that I respect their personal views and that they understand that the image is in no-way redolent of the Japanese Imperial forces. My grandfather spent three and a half years in Changi which affected a lot of people in our family, having said that the Sunshine Harvester Works image is from an implement factory who played a large part in the country's history and that they were just around the corner from where the Spirit was built.

If you are trying to control heat inside a closed car ceramic is almost useless... we were "convinced" one year that once we coated the pipes we would never wrap pipes again.  After melting most of the wiring  :x in the engine compartment on the first pass we temp fixed everything and wrapped the pipes.  In small enclosed compartments wrapping is required. 
Doc, good to see you back in the shop

There is a flat heat baffle that sits on top of the pipes as they merge behind that bulkhead it is a piece of fibre-cement sandwiched between two pieces of polished aluminium, it fills the whole space and is caulked around the edges. Above that sits the fuel tank, pump filter and lines, behind it the 'chute bucket.There is a slot gap in the floor just ahead of the merge, we hoped that a small amount of air would be picked up and take heat along the tail and out around the tail-pipe.At the end of a run there are only a few small places on the car where the body is hot, when I got a push from the emergency guys after stalling off the far end with a bat flattery in 2010( yes by hand) I was quite surprised how cool it all was.The ceramic does stop it rusting though. Our main heat concern is the area around the headers where we have the clutch line and shift cables running past, there I have a polished piece of stainless as a reflector in the closest places.


Darn it!!! the Rev beat me in......... Hey, kill the spell-checker you're running Rev, it sets you up for all the standard homonym/homophone stuff ups.....nativity indeed....

My thought ws they could use it as a paint scheme.  Start with the nose, and follow it through like the old MG Humbug.
http://stefanssketchblog.blogspot.com/2010/06/mg-ex135-humbug.html
By the way - this guy's working for the Bloodhound team.


I really like the current scheme but agree with the Rev.No , we ain't gonna paint it like a boiled lollie.....read humbug, there is an off color suggestiveness to that that I'm not even going to delve into......
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Jon on April 12, 2012, 08:03:11 PM
I like it

Google Anzac Badge if youre concerned about the rising sun not being an Australian symbol.

Cheers
jon
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on April 12, 2012, 08:22:26 PM
Good point Jon, I overlooked that :roll:

Quote
I cannot remember seeing a successful green. (I cannot wait to see Big Gaze' toxic green ford powered Jaguar XJS on the salt. I believe he chose this colour to annoy the purists and it should be a sight to see...)

The Bean Bandits bellytank looked good in a copper green, pretty flat finish.....

(https://encrypted-tbn2.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS8yID7_sXaYCtfmY_kYKgPqrvKKkY0LSIDXF4Y4JYYKVoLx6Urhw)
Title: Shanghai F1
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on April 12, 2012, 08:30:18 PM
On misappropriated symbols, When I was working in Singapore you could see a lot of swastikas on buildings which were simply retaining their Buddhist connections from where the nazis pinched the symbol from. Still a bit weird to my western eye raised on war films (favorite two being "where Eagles Dare" classic with Clint and Richard Burton, gee I loved that film, and "Kelly's Heroes" also with Clint and same director, and a very anachronistic Donald Sutherland. I could talk for ages on those, then Catch22 I guess. That was an un-makable movie that they somehow made work...)

Anyway, back on topic, sort of. I am sitting in a car now writing this on my iPad on a freeway between Changzhou and Shanghai driving with my assistant and his girlfriend going to the Formula One Practice Day at the Shanghai circuit. (He is also a car nut and likes rice burners the best.) the circuit always looks great on tv now I get to see it. Woo hoo! Shall post photos.

Old copper green sounds interesting.

A few years back I got to see the V8 super cars at the Bahrain F1 circuit and was mightily impressed with this strange construction in the desert wastelands.

Good to get some petrol head stuff in whilst here.

Dik
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Tman on April 12, 2012, 09:59:10 PM
Titty Pink?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: wobblywalrus on April 12, 2012, 10:18:02 PM
With brown hubcaps.
Title: Live Shanghai f1 practice day report
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on April 13, 2012, 12:35:55 AM
Ok, I am at the track... And it is an overcast day.

The f1's have finished their first practice, awesome sound. Spectators? Virtually none! I just don't get it. Tickets are 80rmb which is about 11$. The population is 1.4billion. Where is everybody?

Bought a red bull top, guy behind the counter told me Chinese customs are only releasing three boxes every two hours! All the stands suffering from no stock. It's like they want kill the event.

Not like our well managed, well priced DLRA merchandise truck at Gairdner, good on you Rod and Carol and others, you show the world how it can be done.

I am sitting opposite Daniel RiccArdos pit garage at the moment, definitely a rising star and probable replacement for Webber. Hope Mark has a good year, i have watched nearly every one of his races on the tube

The buildings are pretty cool. Good bold gestures. haven't found the beer yet though.

Gonzo Hedgash
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on April 13, 2012, 02:04:34 AM
Titty Pink?

six of the best

With brown hubcaps.

Detention.

Not so funny now is it gentlemen? :evil:

This afternoon, which I might add has been clear skies, dead calm and in the high twenties.....The Colonel and I sat down and did a bit of a back of the ciggie pack spreadsheet. . What it showed was that if we go with the 2.14 rear end we will drop around 2000rpm out of the top of third gear.So a change somewhere over 6 grand will still have us over 4 where the power starts. It's 1.46:1(according to the workshop manual, however, forums seem to indicate it is 1.34?????), yes there is an opportunity to go to an M21..........that would get the third gear ratio down to 1.25 which would make a big difference but they aren't cheap........ but what we are left with is a choice we think now between the 2.28 and the 2.14.......I'm starting to think 2.28.............

Bo, you'll be picking up rubbish, Trent, headmaster's office 3pm.
Title: Re: Shanghai F1
Post by: Jon on April 13, 2012, 02:54:17 AM
On misappropriated symbols, When I was working in Singapore you could see a lot of swastikas on buildings which were simply retaining their Buddhist connections from where the nazis pinched the symbol from.

Do the Buddhist one's go the other way or is that just an urban legend?

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on April 13, 2012, 03:18:25 AM
They like it both ways. These are new buildings too.

Webber fourth fastest now.

About right I think for this season, I reckon Schumi might be a player yet...

D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on April 13, 2012, 03:29:58 AM
just did a few more sums

2.41:1 @7200rpm = 240mph assuming full hook up

I figure we'll have something like 350hp @7200 if we can work out why the motor was falling over at 6500, we are starting to firm on valve springs.....yeah theoretical cars and all that...but we have heads that'll flow vastly more than we'll ever make and the curve when we dynoed was a straight line up to where it conked.

Who has a calculator that will give us a mile by mile breakdown of estimated speeds with that sort of power?.... I think we're dreamin' but it would be nice to know... I can take a scaled front shot and give measurements if there is someone who reckons they can ball park the Cd

Hey Wayno, how many ponies did Jack reckon he had? I seem to remember somewhere around 550?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Jon on April 13, 2012, 03:59:45 AM
Thanks for sharing that, what about the swastikas! :roll:

Have you ever run out of hp or always run out of revs?

If you have a known speed and a know hp, you can guestimate new top speed with new hp.


jon
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on April 13, 2012, 07:38:20 AM
Goggles sed
"Hey Wayno, how many ponies did Jack reckon he had? I seem to remember somewhere around 550?"
I'll find out. Wayno
 

 
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Tman on April 13, 2012, 11:13:45 AM
I THINK I know what you meant with that last reply?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on April 13, 2012, 08:04:45 PM
Thanks for sharing that, what about the swastikas! :roll:
Have you ever run out of hp or always run out of revs?
If you have a known speed and a know hp, you can guestimate new top speed with new hp.
jon

Dunno what sort of power the old motor made as we never got it to a dyno.

We ran out of revs,it put on 12mph/per mile over the last three miles GPS top speed was 195 twice in a row, so for starters we needed more power.That speed with the 2.77 was at almost exactly 6500rpm.On the second run the motor beat itself to death .The new motor we built has a bigger cam and better heads, but on the dyno it got to 6450 and went no further ,Graham is starting to lean toward valve springs and my suspicion is that the springs that were on the heads when I bought them weren't anything special....we didn't check or change them.That was the point that our dyno session ended.

So, we can't really substitute the equation because there are too many variables......



Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on April 25, 2012, 11:50:40 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76LbvnoIDkE

We were about to drop off the page list
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on April 26, 2012, 03:37:24 AM
We were about to drop off the page list

Goodness me
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on April 26, 2012, 08:41:16 AM
G---I am sorry but I need my daily fix---lol
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on April 26, 2012, 08:44:53 AM
G---I am sorry but I need my daily fix---lol

While we are on that subject Bill, lets get some more pics of "what's happening to the Spud" on your thread...
after all we need out daily fix  :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on April 27, 2012, 03:16:42 AM
And what about Wayno?
How's his tank going.
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Lynchy on April 27, 2012, 04:56:01 AM
Quote
I cannot remember seeing a successful green. (I cannot wait to see Big Gaz's toxic green ford powered Jaguar XJS on the salt. I believe he chose this colour to annoy the purists and it should be a site to see...)

Here's a picture of it side on + another that shows the colour better + another just for the fun of it. I haven't posted a build update here for probably a few years now....

Rev - He chose the greeny colour because it is a Ford colour and he liked it.

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i218/falcon351/Sideview.jpg)
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i218/falcon351/Headrestraints.jpg)
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i218/falcon351/enginein.jpg)

Sorry to hijack the streamliner page boys!!!
Love your work by the way!
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on April 27, 2012, 06:41:27 AM
That is going to look AWESOMMMMMMMMMMMMmmmmmmmme on the salt!!!!!!!!!

revH+
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on April 27, 2012, 12:11:40 PM
Woa!!!!! That is pretty. Is that a Cleveland?
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: manta22 on April 27, 2012, 04:14:46 PM
"Rev - He chose the greeny colour because it is a Ford colour and he liked it."

I think Ford called that color "Bilious Green"  :-D

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Geo on April 27, 2012, 05:25:02 PM
Oh yea!  That's beautiful.  :cheers:

My favorite car XJS

My favorite color (any shade of green)

My favorite induction system (forced air)

Thanks for the update!  (guess I better update my build)  :oops:

Geo
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: 4-barrel Mike on April 27, 2012, 06:08:35 PM
"Rev - He chose the greeny colour because it is a Ford colour and he liked it."

I think Ford called that color "Bilious Green"  :-D

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ



Bilious is so bland!  :mrgreen:  I was thinking it was more like Mephitic Meconium Green.  :evil:

Mike
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: ol38y on April 27, 2012, 06:38:56 PM
Somebody flipped the negative of the interior. The seat is on the wrong side...  :-D  That is going to be one nice looking car.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on April 27, 2012, 07:06:30 PM
How many amps does that paint draw?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on April 27, 2012, 07:31:11 PM
Dr. G  man why didn't you tell us you were going to be a Major Media Star   :?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: manta22 on April 27, 2012, 08:25:21 PM
Speaking of bilious green, a few years ago I drove my green Porsche 911 to a convenience store, parked next to a beater pick-up truck with a tatooed biker sitting in the passenger side, watching me shut off the engine and climb out of the car. He looked down at me, stroked his grizzled beard and announced "Nice Porch'...shi**y color."
I thought so too so I had to agree.

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ (when your car is bright green, everybody's an art critic)  :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on April 27, 2012, 08:52:00 PM
Speaking of bilious green, a few years ago I drove my green Porsche 911 to a convenience store, parked next to a beater pick-up truck with a tatooed biker sitting in the passenger side, watching me shut off the engine and climb out of the car. He looked down at me, stroked his grizzled beard and announced "Nice Porch'...shi**y color."
I thought so too so I had to agree.

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ (when your car is bright green, everybody's an art critic)  :-D

The correct response would have been, "Nice tats . . . ugly gallery."

Hmmm . . . hey, Slim, is there an emoticon of a smiley with a couple of teeth knocked out?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on April 27, 2012, 10:15:11 PM
Just noticed your new avatar MM.

I am currently showing the Mrs the whole Prisoner series as she fell in love with MacGoohan after watching reruns of Dangerman recently.

I visited the series location in Port Meirion about ten years ago. It was exactly the same as when it was shot thirty years before that. Got to love that last episode. Apparently the UK switchboard was jammed for hours after its screening due to irate viewers asking what the hell it all meant. None of them had twigged the answer to it all was in the title sequence from the get go.

Be seeing you,

Number 412
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: manta22 on April 28, 2012, 12:47:55 AM
Number 412....we want information.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on April 28, 2012, 01:16:36 AM
Does this font look familiar?

(http://i361.photobucket.com/albums/oo58/milwaukeemidget/Midget%20Build/DSCN4399.jpg)

Yeah - I'm a Brit TV geek . . .
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Lynchy on April 28, 2012, 02:25:44 AM
Quote
Woa!!!!! That is pretty. Is that a Cleveland?

Yep, NASCAR block Cleveland. The only standard part is the timing cover but he repainted it...
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on April 28, 2012, 10:01:58 AM
Does this font look familiar?


Shouldn't it be on a mini moke?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on April 28, 2012, 10:13:59 AM
Number 412....we want information.

And you have an Alfred E. Newman quote under your avatar? Gee it's pop culture central on this forum and I am living in a country that it is absent from. We designed the whole foyer entrance of a cinema here based on the hyperspace scene in Star Wars and they loved it. Turns out none of them knew the reference though because the film didn't play in China due to its Overthrowing the Empire message...

I am now going to segue this back from movies into something remotely about cars and speed... I have just acquired a copy of Vanishing Point, a cool vehicle movie across e US. I first saw it in the back of mum's Mazda 1300 when my brother took me along to see blazing saddles with his girlfriend. It was a double feature and I am sure I was sent along as some sort of juvenile chaperone.

I still remember it but a bit hazy... Looking forward to watching it.

I have also lost my copy of Rendesvous, a French short film of a single shot speed driving experience across Paris With an awesome soundtrack of a viscous engine. Dr g do you have this?

Stay on target.

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Tman on April 28, 2012, 10:21:25 AM
Rendevous is an awesome clip. You can also see it online. We have discussed it in depth on the HAMB and dogfightmag.com
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: manta22 on April 28, 2012, 11:48:42 AM
Rev;

Look for a copy of the classic "Two-Lane Blacktop". You'll enjoy it.

I have a copy of Rendezvous that I can e-mail to you-- send me a PM.

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on April 28, 2012, 01:13:48 PM
Does this font look familiar?


Shouldn't it be on a mini moke?

Tough finding doors for the Moke.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on April 28, 2012, 06:10:47 PM
Mr Personality on the tube.
  Sid.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-5wNmVmLf0
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: 4-barrel Mike on April 28, 2012, 06:26:09 PM
GOOD video  :cheers:

Mike
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Peter Jack on April 28, 2012, 06:50:14 PM
Great video! Thanks!  :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
It really catches the essence. :-D :-D :-D

Pete
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on April 28, 2012, 07:34:17 PM
I didn't know where to make a start here. All of a sudden our thread is full of British cars, green cars, talk of Clevelands.......Mini Mokes?????

I stayed on the verandah, I didn't want to be the guy who started the fight.

Then , FMD, I appear as some sunburnt sage in a video that is pretty much big hitting legends and demi-gods of the salt.....and me... I thought that video was supposed to be for Save The Salt and that it was a bunch of people and their thoughts........they really asked the expert.....

"Hi, been here before"?...
"Nope"
"So, you're racing?"
"Nope"
"Oh, so you're on a crew?"
"Nope"
"Ok then!, we want to put you in a video with Roy Creel, Larry Volk, Nish....oh and a shot of Joe Amo's arm"

Now, that I've stopped goofing I have to say, the video made the hairs on the back of my neck stand up, right from the start with the radio transmission.Thanks to all involved.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on April 28, 2012, 08:15:27 PM
"It’s a cultural pursuit."

Yes - it is.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on April 28, 2012, 10:44:12 PM
OMG!
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Jon on April 28, 2012, 11:14:01 PM
Nice Dr


A toast to those that went before us that "got it"  :cheers:

Their attitude and determination I hope to emulate.

Their achievements I hope to build upon.

Cheers
jon
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on April 29, 2012, 12:28:12 AM
Sorry Mate, after I sent it to you I watched it again & then thought I should hang it on the line.
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Kiwi Paul on April 29, 2012, 01:03:58 AM
Works for me, Sid.... :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on April 29, 2012, 02:05:44 AM
NO mention of sitting in the parking lot of the RainBow at 2:00 AM and trying to be conned by two ?????? into trying to help  them steal a car out from under the nose of the cops!!!! :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on April 29, 2012, 02:13:30 AM
NO mention of sitting in the parking lot of the RainBow at 2:00 AM and trying to be conned by to ?????? into trying to help  them steal a car out from under the nose of the cops!!!! :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

Aw man, if you knew how many times I've told that story. As a worker in the welfare sector I had that couple pegged from the moment they started walking towards us, but what I loved was my friend's cool "in the end I have this" plan B.....

That chat was indeed one of the highlights of my trip.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: 38flattie on April 29, 2012, 06:18:55 AM
Some of us haven't heard that story....
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on April 29, 2012, 06:45:17 AM
You should hear Dr G's story of doing something he shouldn't have in a Melbourne police station driveway...
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on April 29, 2012, 07:54:15 AM
Wow. A famous movie star visited the RODGE MAHAL.  8-) Actually, I thought you comported yourself quite well.  :wink: Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on April 29, 2012, 09:37:00 AM
Wow. A famous movie star visited the RODGE MAHAL.  8-) Actually, I thought you comported yourself quite well.  :wink: Wayno

comported?  so that's what he was doing
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on April 29, 2012, 12:17:07 PM
Wow. A famous movie star visited the RODGE MAHAL.  8-) Actually, I thought you comported yourself quite well.  :wink: Wayno

comported?  so that's what he was doing
G
Well, mostly.  :roll: Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on April 29, 2012, 08:17:18 PM
Wow. A famous movie star visited the RODGE MAHAL.  8-) Actually, I thought you comported yourself quite well.  :wink: Wayno

Seriously , I thought it was for a montage that was to be used for Save the Salts campaign with people just saying what they liked about the salt, and what it meant to them.If I knew where it was going to be I may not have stuck my head up....

You should hear Dr G's story of doing something he shouldn't have in a Melbourne police station driveway...

Dude, being where you are right now I'd keep my cakehole shut just in case we make stuff up about you and they hang you by your fingernails.No, I know that's not fair. :roll: :roll:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on April 29, 2012, 10:09:32 PM
Was a delightful evening hosted by DR G's cervesa---took me a while to remember "The Plan"  :-P  CRS  senioritis--ect ect  lol
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on April 29, 2012, 10:16:26 PM

Dude, being where you are right now I'd keep my cakehole shut just in case we make stuff up about you and they hang you by your fingernails.No, I know that's not fair. :roll: :roll:

Your secret is safe with me...
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: manta22 on April 29, 2012, 11:10:44 PM
Dr. G;

That video was originally planned for a "Save the Salt" slant but they explained to me that the agreement to restart the pumping had already taken place so the video became more general.

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on April 29, 2012, 11:22:53 PM
Dr. G;

That video was originally planned for a "Save the Salt" slant but they explained to me that the agreement to restart the pumping had already taken place so the video became more general.

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ
Ah, my co-star :cheers:


Dude, being where you are right now I'd keep my cakehole shut just in case we make stuff up about you and they hang you by your fingernails.No, I know that's not fair. :roll: :roll:

Your secret is safe with me...

figured, no worries about the Mandarin Manicure.

Was a delightful evening hosted by DR G's cervesa---took me a while to remember "The Plan"  :-P  CRS  senioritis--ect ect  lol

The actual line was "well, I always had THIS!"
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on April 29, 2012, 11:27:48 PM
lol 
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on April 30, 2012, 02:09:45 AM
I watched that video again and there's one thing that got me. I was never really into Modified Sport cars. They always looked like an oddball rule motivated class...."just build a liner" I always thought....

Then I saw Keith Copelands GT6, gone.

What a car.........
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Lynchy on April 30, 2012, 07:01:05 AM
Yeah, Big Gaz and I spent a bit of time checking it out as well!
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on April 30, 2012, 11:52:11 AM
HEY!!!! Watch your mouth, the bloody thing's got doors!! :evil:
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: manta22 on April 30, 2012, 12:04:53 PM
Except for the one from Supermarine, it could be called "The World's Fastest Spitfire". Keith is back racing again after recovering fron a bad crash a few years ago.

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on April 30, 2012, 07:22:08 PM
HEY!!!! Watch your mouth, the bloody thing's got doors!! :evil:
  Sid.

Yeah, I know a front wheel drive Pommy car with doors...... I'm calling in sick........305mph. After a crash like that , to come back with that car......"just cough twice for me Keith"..........."&^%^$#%%^$$, they're HUGE"
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on May 01, 2012, 09:02:45 PM
Now if you took a Spitfire, narrowed it up a whole pile & parked it on the back of your tank.................. just sayin!
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on May 01, 2012, 11:26:39 PM
The Buddfabb if you ask me has all the late second world war fighter silohuette cues you'd ever need. Spitfires had a beautiful profile til they got to about version X and the bubble canopy...the earlier P51s........hmmmmmm.

But if you're talking about them Triumph Spitfires then I have to say I have an enthusiasm for them that remains below detectable levels, on any equipment. The Copeland car is no more a Triumph than I am a cow or a cotton bush ........see if you can nut that one out whipper-snapper. :wink:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on May 02, 2012, 02:24:35 AM
I gotcha, ya older than me fart.
Don't tell anybody I said this but I think it's a real looker too.  :wink:
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on May 02, 2012, 03:02:42 AM
Sitting in another impressively long project meeting bored to tears so I thought I'd send my favorite design community land speeders some images of our building under construction here...

http://occipital.com/user/b380-297772/dik-jarman

If you were wondering why the cost of steel is going up check it out. These show only some of the complexity of the project, photos simply do not explain it well enough. When you are standing looking at a steel petal 100 feet in length curling it's tendrils around another one of the same length to meet underfoot somewhere and then only after a while see there are about twenty workers within that mess of metal you only then start to realize the scale of this thing. This may be the last building I design through to completion, I cannot imagine getting a similar project to satisfy me after this.

Things are moving here and we are looking at moving ourselves to Shanghai where there are some more amenities such as cheese (and I don't mean Jack!)

rH+


Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on May 02, 2012, 11:39:26 PM
People with an excessive amount of money spending it on frivolous things, how very western.
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on May 02, 2012, 11:53:11 PM
That's a good point Sid and I have questioned the ethics of this project myself.

But then if we didn't try and build the Sydney Opera House, or whichever great world building you can think of then it would be a pretty dull planet. The rest of this town is cookie cutter residential skyscrapers and very dull. I think this just may be a diamond in the sand. Excessive yes, a product of a government spending yes, worth it? I would like to think so in the long run as an inspiration that things can be better and not just the same. Civic pride is a worthy investment as long as the population isn't starving (like they were 40 years ago).

Both Amber and I are thinking of heading back to do penance in an outback Australian indigenous community anyway, I kid you not, we are preparing the applications now!

Dik

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on May 03, 2012, 12:56:56 AM
Oh come on guys, they have to do something with all that money we Americans are sending them... I think it is good to know that they hire folks that know how to build 'em  to build.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on May 03, 2012, 01:07:44 AM
That's a good point Sid and I have questioned the ethics of this project myself.

But then if we didn't try and build the Sydney Opera House, or whichever great world building you can think of then it would be a pretty dull planet. The rest of this town is cookie cutter residential skyscrapers and very dull. I think this just may be a diamond in the sand. Excessive yes, a product of a government spending yes, worth it? I would like to think so in the long run as an inspiration that things can be better and not just the same. Civic pride is a worthy investment as long as the population isn't starving (like they were 40 years ago).

Hey it ain't for landspeedracers to question that sort of stuff... what are you doing inside anyway Sid?

Both Amber and I are thinking of heading back to do penance in an outback Australian indigenous community anyway, I kid you not, we are preparing the applications now!
Dik

Never a dull moment, that's a gutsy, gutsy effort, from the most congested part of the planet to the most remote.

Oh come on guys, they have to do something with all that money we Americans are sending them... I think it is good to know that they hire folks that know how to build 'em  to build.

from what I gather that's just the interest on what you guys owe 'em :wink:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on May 03, 2012, 08:37:24 AM

Oh come on guys, they have to do something with all that money we Americans are sending them


Yup - We borrow it so we can expand a base in Canberra to keep their power in check.

Shrewd, eh?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Rex Schimmer on May 03, 2012, 10:50:05 AM
Rev,
You are setting in a meeting and doing your E mail, sounds like the company I formerly worked for, everyone would walk into the meeting with their laptops, open them and start doing E mail, screw the meeting!!

Interesting that the Chi-coms have an Aussie working on a big steel structure project, here in the Bay Area of California we are rebuilding the Bay bridge and using Chi-com steel, engineers and workers!! So much for hiring local labor.

Rex
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on May 03, 2012, 09:50:37 PM
China Town!
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stan Back on May 05, 2012, 10:30:47 PM
Never mind.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on May 08, 2012, 08:45:52 AM
No need to start a new thread for this tidbit, but -- what's going on, mates?  I was eating my breakfast and came across this in the latest edition of The Economist(British newsmagazine, published since 1843 or so) - and therefore likely to be correct:

"The consumption of beer in Australia has fallen to a 65-year low, according to official figures.  The average Aussie drinks just 4.23 litres (7.5 pints) of the amber nectar a year.  The consumption of wine and spirits has soared."

Will one or two of you please explain what's going on?  How'd you fail our beliefs in you?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on May 08, 2012, 09:21:04 AM
No need to start a new thread for this tidbit, but -- what's going on, mates?  I was eating my breakfast and came across this in the latest edition of The Economist(British newsmagazine, published since 1843 or so) - and therefore likely to be correct:

"The consumption of beer in Australia has fallen to a 65-year low, according to official figures.  The average Aussie drinks just 4.23 litres (7.5 pints) of the amber nectar a year.  The consumption of wine and spirits has soared."

Will one or two of you please explain what's going on?  How'd you fail our beliefs in you?

Strictly a hypothesis -

Team Sunshine, as a whole, spent a total of ~60 man/weeks out of the country last year.  That explains the beer.

As to the increase in the consumption of wine and spirits, Team Sunshine, as a whole, spent a total of ~60 man/weeks out of the country last year.

Perhaps the rest of the country was celebrating?

 :wink:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Tman on May 08, 2012, 10:26:45 AM
You might be onto something MM?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on May 08, 2012, 12:25:29 PM
LOL, you guys are on to it!
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on May 08, 2012, 05:39:58 PM
No need to start a new thread for this tidbit, but -- what's going on, mates?  I was eating my breakfast and came across this in the latest edition of The Economist(British newsmagazine, published since 1843 or so) - and therefore likely to be correct:

"The consumption of beer in Australia has fallen to a 65-year low, according to official figures.  The average Aussie drinks just 4.23 litres (7.5 pints) of the amber nectar a year.  The consumption of wine and spirits has soared."

Will one or two of you please explain what's going on?  How'd you fail our beliefs in you?

Slim
This is clearly a misprint and has been lost in translation somewhere. it should read "the average Aussie drinks just 4.23 litres of beer per week which puts them just ahead of the average Kiwi at 4.2 litres and well ahead of the average German at just 4 litres per week"

G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: rgn on May 10, 2012, 08:31:05 AM
I was eating my breakfast and came across this in the latest edition of The Economist(British newsmagazine, published since 1843 or so) - and therefore likely to be correct:

I was reading exactly the same thing whilst I was drinking mine! :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on May 10, 2012, 03:43:43 PM
So are you claiming the Kiwi's living in Oz in the Ozzy count or the Kiwi count? :-D
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on May 12, 2012, 09:28:36 PM
With two glut years and a very high Aussie dollar matched with market downturns in Europe and the US there has been a collapse in the Australian wine export market.

They can't afford our wine, and there's even more of it than usual. Result......domestic market has "bargains" available through wholesalers and online stores like have never been seen.

You can still go to the bottle shop and buy the same fifteen dollar bottle of red that you always did, meanwhile you can find cases of stuff that retails for a hundred dollars a bottle for fifteen in the dozen....I'm serious.

There is a downside.

Anyone can enjoy good wine, but to be able to enjoy cheap wine means you'll always be happy.... an educated palate is hard to fund....... this glut won't go on forever. :roll: :roll:

So yeah, maybe I'm letting the side down a little....drank a fair bit of beer already this weekend but.

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Freud on May 12, 2012, 11:42:39 PM
Dr. G..........

It's gonna be a real slap in the face when the $100 bottle goes back up to $100 and you lust for it.

Don't buy wine out of your neighborhoods price range.

You will suffer later.

In the US of A the $3.00 wine has gone up to $5.00 because so many people are buyin' the cheap stuff.

Over here the $100 bottle still costs $100.00.

FREUD
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on May 13, 2012, 12:06:23 AM
Racers don't dig chicks that have $100. wine tastes  8-)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on May 13, 2012, 12:53:07 AM
Dr. G..........

It's gonna be a real slap in the face when the $100 bottle goes back up to $100 and you lust for it.

yeah, like I said..."Anyone can enjoy good wine, but to be able to enjoy cheap wine means you'll always be happy.... an educated palate is hard to fund....... this glut won't go on forever. :roll: :roll:
"
Don't buy wine out of your neighborhoods price range.
You will suffer later.

I've done the sums, offsetting the future pain against real time gains I've amortized the intangible  against the quaffable.

Racers don't dig chicks that have $100. wine tastes  8-)

Send me that $100, it's more than I've ever spent on a bottle of plonk.....besides Bill you know where my priorities lie..... :wink: :wink:anyways.....where's the corkscrew?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on May 13, 2012, 01:35:16 AM
You might have to get yourself an Ipad mate, it's the latest thing in endless beer.
http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=6a8Eimr-fm0
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on May 13, 2012, 03:36:58 PM
DR G today you guys were a Heavy Metal Band today--  helped with a lot of cutting,  grinding  & tacking  as I bracket raced today---You guys rocked ON :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: manta22 on May 13, 2012, 09:44:10 PM
You might have to get yourself an Ipad mate, it's the latest thing in endless beer.
http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=6a8Eimr-fm0
  Sid.

Noch Ein Bier, bitte!
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on May 14, 2012, 12:34:43 AM
Virtual beer?  I prefer the real deal.

A Brewers game under the Elvis flag . . .

(http://i361.photobucket.com/albums/oo58/milwaukeemidget/DSCN4646.jpg)

Tailgating with 20+ home brewers from Northern Illinois and Milwaukee in the parking lot of Miller Park . . .

(http://i361.photobucket.com/albums/oo58/milwaukeemidget/DSCN4647.jpg)
(http://i361.photobucket.com/albums/oo58/milwaukeemidget/DSCN4650.jpg)
(http://i361.photobucket.com/albums/oo58/milwaukeemidget/DSCN4649.jpg)

And while the Milwaukee Brewers baseball team beat my beloved Cubs, the clear winner in the Home Brew department was . . . and Sid, Grummy, I was thinking about New Zealand and Australia all day yesterday – (and this morning). . . 

(http://i361.photobucket.com/albums/oo58/milwaukeemidget/DSCN4651.jpg)

. . . well, ignore Joe Neumann – I’m referring to the Galaxy hopped IPA on the far right.  Aussie developed, Kiwi grown.

With hops like that, why would anybody drink wine? 
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Tman on May 14, 2012, 12:34:11 PM
MMMMMMM hops! :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on May 14, 2012, 05:47:31 PM
look at all that yeasty goodness
G :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Tman on May 14, 2012, 07:55:31 PM
look at all that yeasty goodness
G :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

I hope you are refferring to the beer and not the women! :-o
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on May 14, 2012, 08:29:40 PM
look at all that yeasty goodness
G :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

I hope you are refferring to the beer and not the women! :-o

See, Troy we were all thinking that, but no-one was saying it.

reminds me of that great song that Macca wrote for the Brewthren,

Yeast today, all those bubbles are not far away,
Ive steeped the hops,let barley malt I say,
I think I'll cast the yeast today.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on May 14, 2012, 10:45:49 PM
look at all that yeasty goodness
G :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

I hope you are refferring to the beer and not the women! :-o

I can speak to the exceptional health and virtue of the young lady on the right, along with her ability to roll with a bad joke - after all, she's married to me.  But I also know the young lady on the left.  She's not humorless, but rest assured, if she caught wind of this conversation, she'd have your nads hanging from the rear view mirror of her Fiat.

So now that we're clear on this, it's the BEER we're talking about, right boys?

 :cheers:

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on May 15, 2012, 10:46:15 AM
look at all that yeasty goodness
G :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

I hope you are refferring to the beer and not the women! :-o

I can speak to the exceptional health and virtue of the young lady on the right, along with her ability to roll with a bad joke - after all, she's married to me.  But I also know the young lady on the left.  She's not humorless, but rest assured, if she caught wind of this conversation, she'd have your nads hanging from the rear view mirror of her Fiat.

So now that we're clear on this, it's the BEER we're talking about, right boys?

 :cheers:



So there is a line.... and maybe it was crossed.... but what is said in the forum stays in the forum... unless she uses google...
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on May 15, 2012, 06:01:12 PM
  She's not humorless, but rest assured, if she caught wind of this conversation, she'd have your nads hanging from the rear view mirror of her Fiat.

So now that we're clear on this, it's the BEER we're talking about, right boys?

 :cheers:

Quite obviously not humorless if she owns a Fiat
G :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank 2012 DLRA speed week cancelled
Post by: grumm441 on May 20, 2012, 12:24:47 AM
Quote from: Carol Hadfield
I have just had a phone call from Peter Noy and it is official that we have had to call off our Lake Gairdner event proposed for the 28th May - 1st June, the guys inspecting the lake have found too many inconsistencies in the lakes surface and are unable to get enough good salt to run an event.

G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on May 20, 2012, 01:05:10 AM
What's it going to take to catch a break?   :cry:

Sorry to hear this - again.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on May 20, 2012, 02:08:55 AM
Ha! It's sort of doubles the pain, you get disappointed twice in a year instead of once.

It was good of the club to try though, we will catch a break soon and blammo! 200mph!

It is a pity china has such stringent import laws, with the number of car accidents here and labour being cheap and no-one wanting to see a dent on their car, there is a growing workforce of excellent bodywork people here.

It would be worth taking a written off hail damage exotic, bring it here to fix and send home to sell...

Maybe it's a good place to have that aluminium streamliner body made...


Dik

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on May 20, 2012, 11:39:14 AM
Where do I send my details?? :roll:
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on May 21, 2012, 05:46:39 PM
Ha! It's sort of doubles the pain, you get disappointed twice in a year instead of once.

It was good of the club to try though, we will catch a break soon and blammo! 200mph!

It is a pity china has such stringent import laws, with the number of car accidents here and labour being cheap and no-one wanting to see a dent on their car, there is a growing workforce of excellent bodywork people here.

It would be worth taking a written off hail damage exotic, bring it here to fix and send home to sell...

Maybe it's a good place to have that aluminium streamliner body made...
Dik

Idle chat..........

I'll take the running gear out of a certain lakester, send it over for an all over touch up......get a shipping quote.......just kidding, she's aging nicely. :wink:

We've got 8 months by my reckoning, Speedweek will be set earlier in 2013.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on May 24, 2012, 09:41:10 PM
Might be perfect timing for me...
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on June 06, 2012, 04:50:14 AM
Not much happening here
Booked my ticket Stateside for August
Didn't get to do motorcycle tech at Lake G so it looks like I'm doing motorcycle tech at Bonneville Speedweek again
My big decision this year is whether to rent a car or buy some thing to bring back to Aus
My Younger brother would like me to pick him up a 65 Fairlane and I wouldn't mind a 70's Chevelle to go with my Monaro
Any ideas?
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on June 06, 2012, 08:05:07 AM
Budget?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Jon on June 06, 2012, 08:48:36 AM
Get a Guzzi :-), real motors have their webbing on the outside.

I also have a bevel ducati, R90s, and a few Jap bikes if that confuses you more, mostly bought at a lot less than pristine condition.

Fastback Mustang would look good next to the Monaro if you can look at nice cars rather than a brand.

Cheers
Jon
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on June 06, 2012, 09:10:49 AM
I think you would be much happier with my 1935 Ford Fordor.  :-D Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Tman on June 06, 2012, 09:41:57 AM
I think you would be much happier with my 1935 Ford Fordor.  :-D Wayno

Wow, I forgot about that car! :oops:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on June 06, 2012, 09:44:12 AM
Get a Guzzi :-), real motors have their webbing on the outside.

I also have a bevel ducati, R90s, and a few Jap bikes if that confuses you more, mostly bought at a lot less than pristine condition.

Fastback Mustang would look good next to the Monaro if you can look at nice cars rather than a brand.

Cheers
Jon

Meh
As do I
2 Bevels, 1 Loop frame Guzzi (not that much webbing), 1 Bimota (hidden in roof in bits), 2 Aprilia, and a bunch of CB1100F & R (hidden at parents house in large trailer) and the odd German scooter. current complete bikes (looks both ways to see if girl is looking) 16


I think you would be much happier with my 1935 Ford Fordor.  :-D Wayno
 
The whole rag around the leg thing just seems odd to me
just fix the oil leak

Budget?

Yes, I have a budget (looks both....... you get it)

G

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on June 06, 2012, 11:37:53 AM
Grumm, you're thinking of my '36 Tudor. And the oil leak is an experiment to make sure I don't make that mistake in the Racing Car.  :-) The '35 is the green one parked in front of my shed and it has no nasty old oily motor in it. Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on June 06, 2012, 05:20:22 PM
No engine! I guess that would make it easier to push
You could just take the oil pressure gauge out of the '36. It's not like you need one
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on June 06, 2012, 05:53:16 PM
you really are in top form....stand back Jon and Wayno he's on a roll. :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on June 06, 2012, 10:58:16 PM
you really are in top form....stand back Jon and Wayno he's on a roll. :cheers: :cheers:

So, anyhow. I've paid for my ticket and arrive in LA on the 8th of August
So Goggles, Simon tells me you will be needing a lift to Wendover
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: salt27 on June 07, 2012, 12:37:23 AM
Grumm,
Bind and drag him if you have to, he won't regret it.

  Don
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on June 07, 2012, 01:06:29 AM
My life is complicated and I see that my friends are now actively engaged in complicating it further.

So I guess I should check my inbox for letters of encouragement/harassment from Herrs Rodge and Freudenberger...........

Don's just jumped up..... there'll be a photo next.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: salt27 on June 07, 2012, 01:40:55 AM
Sorry, no photos just yet.
I have to keep something in the bank for blackmail. :evil:
Just bring the Mrs. along so she can take advantage of the exchange rate and boost our economy.

  Don
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on June 07, 2012, 02:10:30 AM
Ok Colonel here is my first suggestion,

not quite the Bathurst contender the Cooper S was but at least its RHD...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1971-Austin-Mini-Cooper-1380cc-RHD-Classic-/110893559442?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item19d1c56e92#ht_1160wt_1167

One of these little beuties could come in handy, especially given your postal history (RHD too!)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1984-AM-General-FJ8C-Right-Hand-Drive-Mail-Truck-1-2-Ton-/110891339326?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item19d1a38e3e#ht_500wt_926

And finally, the pick of the litter: I think Cougars are still a little under rated in Oz, but I like them and reckon you'd get more than your money back:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1967-Mercury-Cougar-XR7-Car-Year-/160818838845?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item25718cbd3d#ht_500wt_1184


rH7
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on June 07, 2012, 02:21:03 AM
Cougar, Cougar, Cougar.........


Ha.

Get a Camaro.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on June 07, 2012, 04:07:11 AM
Like I'm going to drive a Mini around the States
Hahahahahahahaha  you funny
Couger?
A guy I know just bought a 90's   RHD Cadillac  Seville out of Japan with 58000 miles on it for $400
Doesn't even glow in the dark
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on June 07, 2012, 07:21:52 AM
Like I'm going to drive a Mini around the States
Hahahahahahahaha  you funny
Couger?
A guy I know just bought a 90's   RHD Cadillac  Seville out of Japan with 58000 miles on it for $400
Doesn't even glow in the dark
G

Maybe he should check the fuses.  :roll: Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on June 07, 2012, 10:01:13 AM
Go for the Cougar - a lot of upside potential, and cheap Mustang parts to keep it rolling. 

As to traveling the US in a real BMC Mini - it would certainly take the boredom out of I-80 - and turn it into a true adventure.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on June 07, 2012, 10:15:14 AM
For cripes sakes, he's a newlywed.  He doesn't want to be lookig for a cougar now.

From Wikipedia:


Cougar is a slang term referring to a woman who dates younger men.

Typically, the term refers to women at least 35 years old who pursue men more than seven years younger.[1] The origin of the word is debated, but it is thought to have first appeared in print on the Canadian dating website Cougardate.com,[2] and has been used in TV series, advertising and film.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on June 07, 2012, 10:36:16 AM
SSS, Doc is the newlywed, Graham hasn't tripped and fallen over the edge yet if my memory serves me.  He just has a long term lady friend...
Keep looking, maybe Furburger from Hod Rod will sell you the Raunchero...
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on June 07, 2012, 07:51:53 PM
Rhd convertible Packard! Would make an awesome unique rod or very nice as is

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?VISuperSize&item=160819299045

Dead sled you could sleep in this on the road and at the bend... Hard to bring into Australia being modified though.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Cadillac-Other-Superior-Coach-1971-Cadillac-Hot-Rod-Rat-Rod-HEARSE-Superior-Coach-DEAD-SLED-/160812254850?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item2571284682#ht_605wt_1064

But my favorite in this list is a ToroNado. I think they are awesome looking cars and with that front wheel drive V8 makes a lot of sense as a Landspeed car as the weight and drive are in the right place....

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1968-TORONADO-SOLID-CAR-NEEDS-LITTLE-/320918437306?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item4ab83abdba#ht_500wt_1021

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1967-Toronado-Collectors-Item-Right-Out-Collection-Best-Condition-/221042127553?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item33772332c1#ht_18166wt_948
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stan Back on June 07, 2012, 10:34:55 PM
There's a Toronado-based (kinda) vehicle entered for SpeedWeek this year.  Think GMC motorhome.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on June 08, 2012, 02:14:19 PM
How about a 455 boat tail Riv?


http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Buick-Riviera-/190688586865?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item2c65ecec71


Complete with a Tarantino interior . . .
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on June 08, 2012, 07:57:53 PM
Nice boat tail, I particularly like the interior. For my liking though the back half looks like it was cut and shut onto the front half of another car by a different designer though... I'd have to do some customizing on the front to balance it up...

Today's pick from me:
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?VISuperSize&item=230805502740

Sure they are underpowered but some really strong design in the body with graceful pillar less window, etc.

I'd be interested in converting one of these as an electric project too, (in practice for my dream electric project of a Brazilian SP2).

D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on June 08, 2012, 08:32:16 PM
Corvair........
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on June 08, 2012, 08:41:39 PM
Yeah a Corvair.

Ralph Nadar gave the series one a bad rap which was not quite justified but the series two had a far superior suspension system and drive ability. I think people remember the bad rap.

They are cheap and groovy, true not what I'd call a muscle car but it was never meant to be. It was to be a cheap sporty compact and I think it did that extremely well.

Reverend Hedgash
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on June 08, 2012, 09:02:57 PM
How about a 455 boat tail Riv?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Buick-Riviera-/190688586865?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item2c65ecec71

Complete with a Tarantino interior . . .

Two of them in the Father in law's collection...and a Cutlass....none of them have their original masts or mainsails though :roll: :roll: dunno why but every time I see them I expect Rodney Dangerfield to step out
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on June 08, 2012, 09:36:50 PM
"Hey, you scratched my anchor!"

We were heading off the lake in 2010 in Doug Robinsons pickup
No interior door trims or windo controls
As we were driving the seatbelt warning was going " bong bong bong bong bong"
Doug yells at the dash " shuddup Ralph"

I could go a Corvair, just not a swingaxle one
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: salt27 on June 09, 2012, 12:33:06 AM
"Hey, you scratched my anchor!"

We were heading off the lake in 2010 in Doug Robinsons pickup
No interior door trims or windo controls
As we were driving the seatbelt warning was going " bong bong bong bong bong"
Doug yells at the dash " shuddup Ralph"

I could go a Corvair, just not a swingaxle one
G

With a Crown conversion. :cheers:

  Don
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on June 09, 2012, 01:49:08 AM
350

With a Crown conversion. :cheers:

  Don

That would be fun
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: salt27 on June 09, 2012, 01:51:11 AM
My life is complicated and I see that my friends are now actively engaged in complicating it further.

So I guess I should check my inbox for letters of encouragement/harassment from Herrs Rodge and Freudenberger...........

Don's just jumped up..... there'll be a photo next.

Ok Dr. G, here's the deal, show up at SaltTalks and you will receive a brand new, still in the plastic, shirt to match your hat.
You can wear a large, right.
Well if not, you have two months to diet and exercise.
Well, what do you say? :-D

  Don
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on June 09, 2012, 02:02:25 AM
I like the petrol blue colour on any car but it works particularly well on this corsa with silver rear panel and blue wheels... Good for the hot Aussie sun. I think they are bargains with an almost Italian flair... Yet so American.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Chevrolet-Corvair-Monza-4dr-Hardtop-1966-Corvair-Monza-4dr-Sports-Sedan-/221042515846?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item3377291f86#ht_500wt_1064

Or

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1965-Chevrolet-Corvair-Corsa-Coupe-/270990285309?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item3f184799fd#ht_1197wt_948

There was one with a v8 in the cab on eBay last month but I presume that would not be allowed in being modified.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on June 09, 2012, 02:12:38 AM
Rev, the one in Louisiana is a dead nuts ringer for my first Corvair.  Still a gorgeous design.

Paid $600 for it in 1979, drove the wheels off of it, picked up another one in 1982 and did the same.  Had to lose them both when I moved to Wisconsin.

The heater was not as good as the MGB's I've had, but man-o-manischewitz, did those things go through Iowa snowstorms.

Still the only Chevy I would ever own.

Why is it parked next to a recycling bin?


Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on June 09, 2012, 02:38:36 AM
I like the petrol blue colour on any car but it works particularly well on this corsa with silver rear panel and blue wheels..

Petrel.

Man, they're good lookin cars, I really like the pillarless.

Hey Don,
might be better if you send that shirt to....oh it doesn't matter.......

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on June 09, 2012, 03:11:40 AM
So you need something original so you can import it and classically american, And a good price so:

Some other ideas:
Gotta love that boot detail and rear seats of this thunderbird
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/62K-ACTUAL-MILES-ORIGINAL-300-HP-390-CI-V8-POWER-STEERING-POWER-BRAKES-NICE-/280892143085?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item416679f5ed#ht_28692wt_1002

Super bee in a great bronze colour:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1970-Dodge-Super-Bee-Bronze-Bronze-383-Auto-Original-Engine-Nice-/261041106434?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item3cc7432e02

Ply,outh barracuda similar vibe to the Buick bobtail but at least it is odd looking from EVERY. Angle.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1965-Plymouth-Barracuda-/270994687818?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item3f188ac74a#ht_941wt_948



Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on June 09, 2012, 03:49:47 AM
The thing is
I don't need it right now
I need it in 1 month and 29 days
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on June 09, 2012, 08:33:11 AM
Wow, that's great! At the rate I am sending you these babies you'll have thousands to choose from!

Ok, cool. But it does raise the possibility of finding something special, for example, you may have a cornucopia of bikes in that she'd of yours but I bet you don't have one of these: (warning: seller's name is Frank)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/WWII-1942-NSU-KETTENKRAD-/200772363691?pt=Military_Vehicles&hash=item2ebef725ab#ht_500wt_948

And then you could tow this with it:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Fake-Field-Cannon-WW-II-2-JEEP-Army-Military-Reenactment-/200769158756?pt=Military_Vehicles&hash=item2ebec63e64#ht_543wt_948

Might need to declare it at customs though.

Dik
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Moxnix on June 09, 2012, 09:39:10 AM
http://craigslist.thingweb.com/

If one has an idea of vehicles to search for, more cars sell through Craigslist than fleaBay.  For example:

http://sacramento.craigslist.org/cto/3027733209.html

Or, try a site called, "bringatrailer.com."



Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on June 09, 2012, 07:07:57 PM
Look out Max, if you're not careful you'll be on the mailing list for un-restorable cars, weird trucks, rotting boats, nearly finished home-built aircraft and replica military equipment.

How's that T-shirt coming along Rev?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on June 09, 2012, 08:36:56 PM
How's that T-shirt coming along Rev?

T-Shirt?

Consider this a pre-order.

Chris
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on June 09, 2012, 08:48:44 PM
T-shirt?

I am  awaiting further comments from you on the previous design...
I have some from the Colonel.

d
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on June 10, 2012, 05:31:48 AM
I bit the bullet today . I have nearly finished stripping the car down for a trip to the blasters. I won't put any pictures here because it really needs it. Two or three crappy lick-overs with a brush have really made it look pretty bad, seeing how we have the rear superstructure off to get the diff set up I thought this is the time to bare metal it and paint it properly again.It'll be red, yellow, black or silver, just have to make a decision. The yellow is good because it makes things that are dropped easy to see.....maybe silver this time.............yellow has pretty poor opacity which is why it looks so shitful now... silver enamel dries quickly but isn't quite as chip resistant as the epoxy enamel we had..... ultimately I think the ability to touch it up is the most important though
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on June 10, 2012, 06:48:53 AM
Rustoleoum brown primer from a spray can---touches up easy---covers WELL  :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on June 10, 2012, 07:19:11 AM
Rustoleoum brown primer from a spray can---touches up easy---covers WELL  :cheers:

yeah, I will be painting it with that......between the zinc and whatever goes on top of that :roll:

Good on ya, I reckon you're building yours so fast the paint will still be wet at scrutineering........
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: rgn on June 10, 2012, 07:21:13 AM
Hi, If you are painting steel one of the strongest and most adhesive ways to apply paint is to blast and then apply directly to the dry virgin blasted metal a polyurethane paint (no primer). 

A local product is called Rhinothane from a company here in Melb.  It's a proper 'poly'.  Most primers have fillers in them, by applying a poly directly to virgin blasted metal you end up with an almost indestructible bond.  I paint steel bike frames this way and you have to sand off the paint in areas like shock mounts as it won't yield if you try to bang the shock on.  Properly done you can hit the painted item with a metal hammer and it is unlikely to chip. 

It's a tip from an old hotrod enthusiast who owned a blasting place I used to go to.  It works and will last a life time.  Wear gloves when handling after blasting as your hand oils will affect how the paint bonds.  Good luck with the resto!
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: ben james on June 10, 2012, 08:43:41 AM
I bit the bullet today . I have nearly finished stripping the car down for a trip to the blasters. I won't put any pictures here because it really needs it. Two or three crappy lick-overs with a brush have really made it look pretty bad, seeing how we have the rear superstructure off to get the diff set up I thought this is the time to bare metal it and paint it properly again.It'll be red, yellow, black or silver, just have to make a decision. The yellow is good because it makes things that are dropped easy to see.....maybe silver this time.............yellow has pretty poor opacity which is why it looks so shitful now... silver enamel dries quickly but isn't quite as chip resistant as the epoxy enamel we had..... ultimately I think the ability to touch it up is the most important though
OPACITY, you & your bloody fancy words Stew, had to look up what it meant.
how you go'in anyway.
ben :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on June 10, 2012, 08:54:00 AM
Thanks for the tip RGN.

HEy Ben. How's the drags going? Any footage on the web I can see of you and your bike?

Dik
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on June 10, 2012, 06:19:08 PM
Thanks for that tip RGN I'll look into it, the three way zinc/red oxide/color has worked well, it just looks shabby.
Thanks for the tip RGN.

Hey Ben. How's the drags going? Any footage on the web I can see of you and your bike?

Dik

here..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amO2Q5QLeV8
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: ben james on June 10, 2012, 07:32:31 PM
<iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/XaBhPuWwF3A" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
hi Dik,
heres a bit of youtube.
best et of 9.35 @ 138 mph
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on June 10, 2012, 09:28:09 PM
Actually...
I kinda like this
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/120927715699?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

Just got to convince Wayno to go and pick it up
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: salt27 on June 10, 2012, 09:45:01 PM
60 Chevys are way cool, you just need Seger with Night moves on the radio.
As a plus, with a wagon you got your own house for the bend in bend in the road. :cheers:

   Don
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on June 10, 2012, 09:47:21 PM
Looks like an easy dash conversion...
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on June 10, 2012, 10:02:52 PM
60 Chevys are way cool, you just need Seger with Night moves on the radio.
As a plus, with a wagon you got your own house for the bend in bend in the road. :cheers:

   Don

Nope, I just need it to drive me to the motel 6
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on June 10, 2012, 11:50:46 PM
Actually...
I kinda like this
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/120927715699?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

Just got to convince Wayno to go and pick it up
G
In Florida? Wouldn't you feel more comfortable having a Floridadidian pick it up? That's like a 5000 km trip for me and I'm kinda finishing up my heap for Speedweek.  :-P Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on June 11, 2012, 12:35:43 AM
Oops. That's Denver, idn it?  :oops: Yes I can.  :cheers: Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on June 11, 2012, 01:07:06 AM
Johnboy (SpeedLimit 1000) lives in Denver, might save you a lot of driving Wayno...
Graham, shoot him a PM
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on June 11, 2012, 03:00:20 AM
I might give it a miss
I've just been out in my yard moving stuff around. or just stuffing around
and I think I might have enough junk right at the moment
Does look like a nice old car
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: ben james on June 11, 2012, 05:25:59 AM
wow three on the tree with your right hand, that'd be trippy.
i wonder how many people haven't driven three on the tree?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on June 11, 2012, 10:00:47 AM
I might give it a miss . . . I think I might have enough junk right at the moment


Might make a nice visual counterpoint.

If you change your mind, I've got a nephew in Boulder with a warehouse who could store it until Wayno can drop by.  It would be sitting next to this . . .

(http://i361.photobucket.com/albums/oo58/milwaukeemidget/1962FordFairlaneblack.jpg)

The most elegant stripper I've ever seen.  Straight 6, three-on-the-tree - the only option - an AM radio.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on June 11, 2012, 05:49:52 PM
Well it sold, but not to me $6600.00
Probably worth it
Moving on
I might look for something I can pickup myself
After all. Wayno does have a Belly tank to finish, and only about 7 weeks to do it
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on June 12, 2012, 01:49:26 AM
Just ordered an M21 cluster and new third gear. we go from 1.51:1 down to 1.25:1 which means we hit top at 5600 instead of 4700.

That'll help.

Welded the pumpkin in place yesterday with G supplying humor. I also chased out a gammy weld on the rear bulkhead where two pieces of half inch plate are joined at right angles.that had always annoyed me, a contamination got in when I was laying a third fillet leaving a couple of bubble holes that looked bad, I ground it down yesterday, underneath it was really good, laid another two fillets on top......it's now looks ok.G says blast now, get centre set up after.....I'm thinking once the set up is done I can blast it and paint it without getting the nice clean metal fouled with gear oil.

I'd spent the morning finishing the strip on the car,just as a precautionary measure I ditched the fluid lines.When I replace them I will be covering them in clear tube, (nice idea Bill) as they were quite rusty in several places.

It is now sitting outside the shed for the fifth time in its life, looking a little weary, worse for wear and tear........waiting to get taking to the blasters.

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on June 12, 2012, 09:17:17 AM
Doc – Grummy - Good to hear you’re moving forward.  It’s easy to wind up in a lull, and then the next thing you know, you’re in a thrash.

It’s not a sport – it’s a discipline.

Stay hydrated.

 :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Moxnix on June 12, 2012, 11:35:28 AM
\\youtube{http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSDUcKw-GOk&feature=related     <<<Race Car sounds on Australia's Got Talent.  No flies on him, mate.

The Working Class Man drinks Bundaberg Ginger Beer. Bundaberg Ginger Beer - naturally brewed to be better.

Speaking of Working Class Man, anyone have an old Jimmy Barnes CD from a flea market to send via whomever's coming to SpeedWeek & drop off at Slim's trailer?  I'll pay.  We could use some ANZAC tunes to audio output.....
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on June 12, 2012, 05:25:02 PM
\\youtube{http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSDUcKw-GOk&feature=related     <<<Race Car sounds on Australia's Got Talent.  No flies on him, mate.

The Working Class Man drinks Bundaberg Ginger Beer. Bundaberg Ginger Beer - naturally brewed to be better.

Speaking of Working Class Man, anyone have an old Jimmy Barnes CD from a flea market to send via whomever's coming to SpeedWeek & drop off at Slim's trailer?  I'll pay.  We could use some ANZAC tunes to audio output.....

Ginger beer? Bundeberg?

Maybe I could bring one of the 1000 or so CD's that Goggles is on
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on June 12, 2012, 05:58:15 PM
\\youtube{http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSDUcKw-GOk&feature=related     <<<Race Car sounds on Australia's Got Talent.  No flies on him, mate.

The Working Class Man drinks Bundaberg Ginger Beer. Bundaberg Ginger Beer - naturally brewed to be better.

Speaking of Working Class Man, anyone have an old Jimmy Barnes CD from a flea market to send via whomever's coming to SpeedWeek & drop off at Slim's trailer?  I'll pay.  We could use some ANZAC tunes to audio output.....

An old mate Pete Lawler played bass for Barnsey for a while.Pete is a character, there's no two ways about it. He is a musical chameleon who looks like he's spent a life in the mines. Pete has nearly always been a sideman as despite being a show-off doesn't want to be the absolute centre of attention, that comes with too much responsibility. Pete has also gone under various handles but the enduring one has been Pumpy, or Doctor Pump. Being so funny is great, unless you are the frontman and are worried about someone stealing your lime-light....... Pete has left a few bands due to "musical differences" which translates to " stop taking over my band Pete" So anyway Pumpy joins Jimmy Barnes' band....when we heard we thought "hello, how long will this last?" ....you don't join James' Brown's band and declare yourself as "The One".....  So we promptly re-wrote the lyrics to Working Class Man as " Playin' in Dr Pump's band".......

Next time I'll tell you about Pete playing a certain Mr David Bowie at 8 ball, oh yeah and beating "The Edge" by seven balls...............
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Moxnix on June 12, 2012, 07:23:40 PM
The ginger beer thing was below one of Jimmy's vids on Youtube. 
I'm up for having Dr. G. on the webcast, no question.  Hopefully we'll have at least one listener in AustralAsia @ SpeedWeek.  And, we'll see if we can acguire more music w/ Midget on guitar in Honkytonkitis.  Cheers,
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on June 12, 2012, 07:52:44 PM
If these dorks would show up we could just have some live stuff.  :wink: Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on June 12, 2012, 10:39:21 PM
I,ll be there. just look for the guy asleep on Wayno's couch
No seriously, I'l  be easy to find. will be wearing a white shirt and an orange hat.
as for me playing music. I can't string one chord together let alone a whole song
Am playing with a desmo head right at the moment and that's not giving much joy either.
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Jack Gifford on June 13, 2012, 12:49:14 AM
"... welded the pumpkin in place..." ??? :? :?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on June 13, 2012, 01:46:14 AM
"... welded the pumpkin in place..." ??? :? :?

Well, I was going to stick it with sour cream and nutmeg...... The pumpkin is the diff housing and we have used a ten bolt housing between Ford axle tubes....long story... (http://www.landracing.com/forum/index.php/topic,862.1935.html half way down the page)

So yeah we just had to decide on exactly where we wanted it to be.......... any help?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Jack Gifford on June 14, 2012, 12:12:05 AM
I never before heard the term "pumpkin" applied to anything but a removable carrier; thus could not imagine why anyone would change one to non-removable by welding.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on June 14, 2012, 01:28:50 AM
I never before heard the term "pumpkin" applied to anything but a removable carrier; thus could not imagine why anyone would change one to non-removable by welding.

Good point Jack, and I apologise that I was never aware of that distinction. It certainly wasn't a removable one, it was a reluctant participant in the process, removing the axle tubes from it was an ordeal that taught me some stuff about the hardness of nickel alloys.

On another front the new parts for the gearbox arrived at home today, they will be taken to the Colonel for the transplant into our Muncie.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on June 14, 2012, 04:12:54 AM
What? more crap at my place?
Well the car plans have changed
It doesn't matter what it is as long as it has at least three seats and a reversing camera.
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on June 14, 2012, 09:57:54 AM
Graham, I think Robfrey has a nice Corvette for sale, a little short on seats but I'll bet he could add a backup camera if you ask him nice.... Would make a great grocery getter back home.  :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on June 14, 2012, 05:46:49 PM
Thanks Stainless
I think a nice Corvette might be out of my price range
And if it doesn't have three seats, where's Tman going to sit with the beer  :cheers:
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on June 16, 2012, 01:50:46 AM
 Got the carcass onto the back of the truck...

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/P6160527.jpg)

You may also notice those short pieces of exhaust....for the last five years they have remained captive in that rear bulkhead. I think it is just because they annoyed the Colonel so much that I was disinclined to change it......today I cut the bulkhead so they can be removed.......now they can be covered in that shiney sh1t while the rest of the frame is to be blasted....a lot of the frame still had mill scale on it so the paint will stick a lot better this time around, as I said earlier I was surprised how little rust there was.

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/P6160524.jpg)

ps: that silver car in the background is where the car that ran into me and broke my leg came from.....I was on the other side of the road traveling away, I ended up on the verge just before that pile of garden clippings after a brief aerobatic display.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on June 16, 2012, 02:04:51 AM
You need to cover all the holes in the diff to limit the garnet ingress
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on June 16, 2012, 03:17:26 AM
You need to cover all the holes in the diff to limit the garnet ingress
G

why?

Is it abrasive? :-o
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on June 16, 2012, 03:20:28 AM
Knobhead
 :roll: :roll: :roll:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: generatorshovel on June 16, 2012, 05:40:27 AM
You could use your new tie  (died) dyed moleskins Goggs, to plug the holes  :oops:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: ben james on June 16, 2012, 08:25:03 PM
You need to cover all the holes in the diff to limit the garnet ingress
G
hi Stew,
that nashua gaffer tape would do the trick,
i've used it on some things i've had blasted lately,
best thing you've ever pit me on to.
Benno. 8-)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Tman on June 17, 2012, 02:59:51 PM
Thanks Stainless
I think a nice Corvette might be out of my price range
And if it doesn't have three seats, where's Tman going to sit with the beer  :cheers:
G

Thanks for thinking of me!

Duct tape works well to cover things you dont want blasted.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on June 17, 2012, 05:39:34 PM
It might be a bit late, because , hopefully, Goggs is in his truck on the way to the Blast Factory as I write this
I find Nashua Gaffer the best thin for sandblasting, and i buy my Gaffer Tape from the sandblaster.
He is generally cheaper than the music shops
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on June 17, 2012, 06:36:18 PM
I find Nashua Gaffer the best thin for sandblasting, and i buy my Gaffer Tape from the sandblaster.
He is generally cheaper than the music shops
G
Duct tape works well to cover things you dont want blasted.
 

Once you've used gaff tape, you'll never want to even look at a roll of duct tape.
Leaves no sticky mess - especially if it sits in the hot sun and the adhesive gets soft.

3-M is about $20.00 a roll here - and worth every penny.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on June 17, 2012, 07:02:38 PM
No, not today, I'll go to the blast factory tomorrow....

Now, we have eveything on this here build diary, cocktail recipes, music suggestions, food prep suggestions and now?????????laundry tips.

You could use your new tie  (died) dyed moleskins Goggs, to plug the holes  :oops:

Last week I had a young bloke drop the bottom end of a CBR250RR at my place for my good friend Tiny ( generatorshovel)...I'm standing next to his car holding the motor which is wrapped in bubblewrap..." do you want to put that down?" he said......... "yeah I guess so" it wasn't very heavy but I took it over to the front door anyway........just as I put it down I noticed that it had been full of oil and there was about a litre of it down my leg( that's 35 fl oz Tortoise)....I was wearing light colored "moleskins"......hmmm.

Soaked them in shellite, covered the oil in Wurth hand cleaner . two scoops of detergent and then 60 degrees.......came out spotless, phew.

Once you've used gaff tape, you'll never want to even look at a roll of duct tape.
Leaves no sticky mess - especially if it sits in the hot sun and the adhesive gets soft.

In the car, couple of weeks back going to a funeral, she's got a black skirt on I pass her the street directory which has the cover stuck together with white gaffa......the adhesive comes off the Gaffa and sticks to the skirt, to say the atmospherewas heavy at that point would be an understatement.............(various items of evidence have been omitted here to protect the innocent) after several non-starters she asks me to get some blu-tac.......dabbing the adhesive it comes off completely,Genius!!!!!!!!!! Pheeeeeeee-eeeeeeew.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on June 17, 2012, 07:22:56 PM
Ok. I'm mildly curious. How many moles does it take to make a pair of trousers?  :? Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Rob on June 17, 2012, 07:42:44 PM
Ok. I'm mildly curious. How many moles does it take to make a pair of trousers?  :? Wayno

Just one but she's really good at sewing.... :-D

Ok, back under my rock now, couldn't resist.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on June 17, 2012, 08:31:02 PM
Just one but she's really good at sewing.... :-D

Ha! :-D

In other news I went top the DLRA AGM yesterday.

There  is very postive work being done around the Lake Omeo dry lake meet.

The Speedweek 2013 date seems to have been agreed upon as the last week of Feb .

Grumm is still head of bike tech....I am something like "Special Construction" representitive.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on June 17, 2012, 09:28:57 PM

In other news I went top the DLRA AGM yeste

...I am something like "Special Construction" representitive.

"Special "

yes
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on June 17, 2012, 10:30:47 PM
Rob, we get the "mole" joke but the stars n stripes brigade haven't got a bloody clue mate. :roll:
Thats good to hear the Omeo thing is coming along Goggs!
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on June 17, 2012, 11:30:17 PM
 Yeah, ........

I might have a lead on some MT 30's for the rear of our car which if we ran 28's on the front would give us an extra inch of ground clearance over the whole length which might make Omeo doable for us.Then we'd also need a re-gear to a 3.08 or more.....otherwise we'd be shifting out of second and pulling the chute.

Hey T'fer, I could have given the motor to the Clares yesterday, but it just didn't work out that way.......when they rang me they were already on the freeway and I was on number 2.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Jon on June 18, 2012, 12:06:27 AM

I am something like "Special Construction" representitive.


You sure that's not "Special" Construction Representative?
You of all people should know the importance of correct punctuation.

cheers
jon
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: generatorshovel on June 18, 2012, 02:15:08 AM
Hey T'fer, I could have given the motor to the Clares yesterday, but it just didn't work out that way.......when they rang me they were already on the freeway and I was on number 2.
No wukka's Goggs, I'll only need it after the CBR drops its guts out, I'll get down your way one day.
Is the "daily planet" near your place ?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on June 18, 2012, 02:24:05 AM

I am something like "Special Construction" representitive.


You sure that's not "Special" Construction Representative?
You of all people should know the importance of correct punctuation.

cheers
jon

yeah, pretty sure.....

You , I already know, have too many motorbikes for me to listen to your grammatical suggestions.Most other contributing factors are easy to understand( like not speaking english, having a brain injury, not having gone to school) but why owning motorbikes makes one a spellchecker of last resort is something I haven't yet sussed fully. :wink:

Hey T'fer, I could have given the motor to the Clares yesterday, but it just didn't work out that way.......when they rang me they were already on the freeway and I was on number 2.
No wukka's Goggs, I'll only need it after the CBR drops its guts out, I'll get down your way one day.
Is the "daily planet" near your place ?

No, but you can get great Vietnamese! :wink: :wink:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on June 18, 2012, 02:38:53 AM
now I'm wondering if Kiwi Sid gets the Daily Planrt reference.
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Jon on June 18, 2012, 07:21:03 AM
Hey, I went to school, year 4 was the worst 3 years of my life.

Went to Uni too, picked up a girl for a date, didn't work out though.
She kept using big words like Vegemite and Corugated-iron.

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on June 18, 2012, 10:18:52 PM
Hey, I went to school, year 4 was the worst 3 years of my life.

Went to Uni too, picked up a girl for a date, didn't work out though.
She kept using big words like Vegemite and Corugated-iron.

Hmm, then you narried a murse....... You're testing me out aren't you. :roll:

Two R's in corrugated, usually anyway.

Alan Turing was failing English at school, he did alright though,.

OK. I dropped the frame off at the blasters today and after a discussion with the proprietor Sandrew I'm pretty sure I'l just paint the same way I did. Sandrew explained the "Kilrust" system I used is a nifty little concoction that 's particular secret is long molecule oils that dry slowly and stay flexible and fish-oil. A lot of the plate on the car still had mill-scale when I painted it and Sandrew explained that with a raw blasted finish the cold zinc will bond a whole lot better than it did before which will make the following red oxide and color coat that much tougher again.He was surprised at how clean the frame was, so the idea of using a 2pak epoxy has been considered and passed over due to the repairability aspect of the enamel.

We had a chuckle about powder coating. He will also finish the last parts of our exhaust in ceramic.

I had a nervous moment, like I always do......it's to do with changing ANYTHING on the frame because of the packaging problems, it's only at the last minute, and it's always the last minute when it's happening that you go to put something together and someone's neat little tidy up job has f*&%&^%&^@#$ something up..........
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on June 19, 2012, 11:00:17 AM
No I didn't get the daily planet thing G, you'll have t splain that one.
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Random chatter and not much about belly tanks
Post by: grumm441 on June 19, 2012, 06:06:53 PM
Google Sid
Google :-o
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Graham in Aus on June 19, 2012, 11:47:46 PM
Well you learn something every day  :-o

A 'right posh' looking establishment, gets a wiki listing too!  :-P
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: manta22 on June 20, 2012, 10:59:28 AM
Dr. G;

"Alan Turing was failing English at school, he did alright though,."


...but not in English.  :-P

Regards, Neil   Tucson, AZ

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on June 20, 2012, 10:04:56 PM
Well I googled it & then I thought, what if I Goggled it! So I googled Dr Goggles & that brought up some weird $hit.
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Glen on June 20, 2012, 10:13:31 PM
No kidding on the wierd s**t  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on June 21, 2012, 05:54:26 PM
No kidding on the wierd s**t  Sid.
Well I googled it & then I thought, what if I Goggled it! So I googled Dr Goggles & that brought up some weird $hit.
  Sid.

Holysheeeet.....

No, I don't have a flicker account and no, that ain't me on the youtube account and , well, erk.

Oh, and the weird hippy photos, not me.

Stop googling people Sid, I'd never even googled that.......

DLRA ,landracing etc... if it's car stuff it's likely me, anything else under Dr Goggles, not me.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on June 21, 2012, 06:21:46 PM
Sorry Goggs, yeah that was f'd up. I went back to try & delete it, now I see somebody took care of it. Thankyou somebody.
We know who the good guys are mate.
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on June 21, 2012, 11:34:48 PM
Sorry Goggs, yeah that was f'd up. I went back to try & delete it, now I see somebody took care of it. Thankyou somebody.
We know who the good guys are mate.
  Sid.


sorry Sid
i was suggesting you google the daily planet, not google goggles
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on June 22, 2012, 10:02:11 AM
Doc, don't feel bad - this is what comes up when you google me -

http://www.chrisconrad.com/

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Captthundarr on June 22, 2012, 11:37:18 AM
Chris, I always thought you had a special twinkle in your eyes. :-D

Frank :cheers:

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on June 22, 2012, 01:39:46 PM
Yeah, maa-aa-nnn, I think I see it, too.  Got some munchies, Chris?  I'm hungry and everything tastes so good now, too.  Woowwoow. . . :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on June 29, 2012, 04:44:45 AM
OK, it's begun in earnest.

I took an accrued day off and got in the Rainmaker( that's my truck, the wipers don't work and whatever the forecast if I drive it somewhere , it rains) I picked up the bellytank frame from The Blast Factory. Chewed the fat for a bit with the two 'Drews and discussed "where to from here". As it turned out my next port of call was to be Hugo's Race-Glides.Sandrew calls Hugo a personal friend and gave him an introductory call..... Hugo has a name in the fast car business primarily, you guessed it ,as a Power-glide specialist, but he's known for his diff work as well....actually there were cars there in all sorts of stages, some being full chassied, others getting a little rear-end toughening up.

As stated previously we hoped to get Hugo to set up our 2.41:1 AND our 2.56:1 centres leaving the 2.56 in and bagging the shims and spacers we needed for the 2.41. Hugo seems to think he'll be able to set them up as interchangeable without too much farnarkling...."They'll be a little noisy at 200mph". Hugo also has a head full of measurements and after taking a tape measure to the housing promptly stated we can use a pair of equal length Holden "One Tonner" axles we will just need to redrill them for the Ford PCD.They're far cheaper than their Ford equivalents and apart from the PCD are identical.Win!.............I had feared we were in for a pair of custom axles with a potential cost over $600, this way it'll be $150.

I got home and had the usual musical chairs job to get the tank chassis back into the  shed. I've pulled out the rotisserie and tomorrow I'll rig it on the spit and fire up the jet heater that the Colonel dropped off at the blasters and get ready to paint.

Hey Rev', I got a hand injury!....that's gotta be an omen,  :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Jon on June 29, 2012, 06:21:24 AM
Great news on the axles.

Look forward to pics of the upcoming paint and polish  :-)

Cheers
jon
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on June 29, 2012, 06:39:37 AM
silver or light grey
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on June 29, 2012, 07:33:37 AM
silver or light grey

I think so too.  :cheers: Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: salt27 on June 29, 2012, 11:31:48 AM

Hey Rev', I got a hand injury!....that's gotta be an omen,  :cheers:

We need pictures so we can rate the omen. :-D

  Don
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: wheelrdealer on June 29, 2012, 03:42:20 PM
Doc, don't feel bad - this is what comes up when you google me -

http://www.chrisconrad.com/



Chris

Now that's funny.

The same name as the "Cannibus King"

Mine is kind of boring. you google my name and all you get is Bill O'Reilly.

Bill
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on June 29, 2012, 07:40:56 PM

Hey Rev', I got a hand injury!....that's gotta be an omen,  :cheers:

We need pictures so we can rate the omen. :-D

  Don

Nothing to see here Don, it was just the sliding bolt on my gate, its an OH&S nightmare that'll snatch a little piece of skin off your finger if you're within a hundred yards  and just thinking about it.....

silver or light grey

I think so too.  :cheers: Wayno

you blokes have got something about Naval grey... :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on June 29, 2012, 08:12:10 PM
Stop looking at your navel

You know how you were complaining about the quality of drivers
What you need is a nice little car, although, with lucas electrics it may on travel at the speed of dark
G

http://www.autoweek.com/article/20120628/CARNEWS/120629819
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: salt27 on June 29, 2012, 08:16:32 PM

Hey Rev', I got a hand injury!....that's gotta be an omen,  :cheers:

We need pictures so we can rate the omen. :-D

  Don

Nothing to see here Don, it was just the sliding bolt on my gate, its an OH&S nightmare that'll snatch a little piece of skin off your finger if you're within a hundred yards  and just thinking about it.....


Darn, my neighbor slamed his finger in the tailgate of his truck and cut it clean off, now that's an omen. Better luck next time.

  Don
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on June 30, 2012, 07:32:55 PM
For us, it was cold here yesterday, hail threatened, I had trouble with the self closing draft strip along the bottom of my garage door and there was also something wrong with the humidity control system. Still, I soldiered on. The Colonel's diesel jet heater was just the job as I had been worried that I wasn't getting enough microscopic carbon dust in my already suspect lungs, then I did a fair bit of tidy-up grinding on the frame and wielded the almighty torch of Mig.

Later,I sat on the couch and picked what I believed to be anthracite out of my nose, it wasn't coking grade as it was contaminated with welding soot and whatever it is that they use to bind those grinding discs with. No Don, I couldn't use either of my index fingers, the gate...and a flap disc made sure of that.

Anyway, enough frivolity......It took me an hour or so to set the frame up on the rotisserie. I lowered the whole thing as it was made for full size bodies and tried to guess about where the CoG was in the vertical axis....I had a guess at about 1/3rd the way from the floor to the top of the cage. Turns out I wasn't too far off, it doesn't spin but it can be flipped easily. When the car was last painted it was the first time it had been tipped at all, so being able to see the bottom motivated me to touch up a few rough edges and the like.

When painting my tip is to read the suggested applications before you take the lid off. Not all enamels like enamel reducer....some just want ethanol/methylated spirits, yeah, I know. That would be fine but I have a busy time ahead of me with the gunwash....

Fortunately the "heavy duty " primer was a slight olive green, it's one thing spraying successive coats in the same color but on something like this it is a recipe for a stuff up.....In the end though the stuff went on with a good finish out of a 2.5mm gravity gun and hopefully the temp was high enough to get it to flash off a bit and not skin,it feels right today, it passed the gentle "fingernail test".

Of course while I stood there after the primer went on staring at it soaking up the glory and the volatiles coming off the paint I decided there are a few changes that I want to make to the frame.....I may even remake the front hoop and possibly add another two members to the top of the cage.

Here it is on the spit....the rear floor is off. The rear floor is 1/4 plate and bolts up with 5/8 studs through the tags on the bottom frame rails so it acts as a stressed member......

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/P7010530.jpg)

The tags along the upper rail in the engine bay are the gearbox cross member( at the rear) and the attachment points for the top of the scattershield,the water tanl covers the whole area from the front of the shield right over the crossmember to where the frame ends in this pic. The little tray on the back of the firewall is the battery mount..and no, we are yet to find anything that we want to hide in that pocket which forms the seat back...you can't get in there when the motor is in.....
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Geo on June 30, 2012, 07:56:41 PM
Quote
silver or light grey


I think so too.

You guy's are correct!  Nice color Dr.!

I love the global aspect of this group. Someone is always complaining about the environment they have to work in and the comments straighten out my whining.  i.e....
Quote
I had trouble with the self closing draft strip along the bottom of my garage door and there was also something wrong with the humidity control system. Still, I soldiered on. The Colonel's diesel jet heater was just the job
My garage has a draft and the humidity problem makes things feel worse.  It's the third week of 100 + degree days.  106  on the car outside temp readout as I was coming home wondering what race parts can I work on. While I am thinking if I get up early enough to beat the sun I might be able to get some work in. Then I remember it's Sunday tomorrow.  No noises early. :-(  So, I'm off to look at a mini split ductless heat pump for the improtant part of the house that now relies on outside air for temp modulation of the work space.

The car is looking good.   :cheers:

Geo
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on June 30, 2012, 09:59:18 PM

It's just a shame Goggles didn't post the other, more blurry picture, where you could see the draft strip


My garage has a draft and the humidity problem makes things feel worse.  It's the third week of 100 + degree days.  106  on the car outside temp readout as I was coming home wondering what race parts can I work on. While I am thinking if I get up early enough to beat the sun I might be able to get some work in. Then I remember it's Sunday tomorrow.  No noises early. :-(  So, I'm off to look at a mini split ductless heat pump for the improtant part of the house that now relies on outside air for temp modulation of the work space.

The car is looking good.   :cheers:

Geo

I was at Richard Assen's place in summer last year and it was well hot in his shed where he works on his bike.
He went out side for a minute, turned a tap, flicked a switch, and suddenly it got very cool.
He has a big water tank outside his shed and some plumbing to spray water on the outside of the roof with a pump
You could feel the temperature drop straight away
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on July 01, 2012, 12:47:54 AM
.....found some "chrome" truck paint that I bought for about 10 bucks for a bucket years ago(10?) when a paint shop was going under.... shot some onto the front axle which has always been done in "aluminium silver"....doesn't look like a saucepan now.

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/P7010534.jpg)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on July 01, 2012, 01:23:49 AM
I was at Richard Assen's place in summer last year and it was well hot in his shed where he works on his bike.
He went out side for a minute, turned a tap, flicked a switch, and suddenly it got very cool.
He has a big water tank outside his shed and some plumbing to spray water on the outside of the roof with a pump
You could feel the temperature drop straight away
G

Charlie Wilde has a shed in his back yard, I was in it sweltering when it was new and I'd just built the studio for Charlie Macneil in the caravan where we'd used 1 inch polystyrene to insulate it, I told charlie W......next time I went there he'd done it , walls and roof......... it was unbelievable, a single bar radiator was all it needed it the depth of winter.

Hey Wayno, chuck an amp in the truck for Speedweek, Don, stock up on jokes.....Bill, I'll be seeing the Spud. :wink: :wink: :wink: :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: salt27 on July 01, 2012, 02:05:12 AM
Hey Wayno, chuck an amp in the truck for Speedweek, Don, stock up on jokes.....Bill, I'll be seeing the Spud. :wink: :wink: :wink: :cheers:

Good news indeed. :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on July 01, 2012, 03:15:08 AM

Hey Wayno, chuck an amp in the truck for Speedweek, Don, stock up on jokes.....Bill, I'll be seeing the Spud. :wink: :wink: :wink: :cheers:

Was there ever a doubt?

I'm grounded with work, but I'll be meeting up with Max before the end of July.  Expect a small care package along with Graham's 970 Cooper block.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on July 01, 2012, 06:52:42 AM
Consider amp chucked.  :cheers: Woo hoo. Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Moxnix on July 01, 2012, 12:27:47 PM
I'll bring a small amp w/ a lesser grade Fender bass if someone wants to play it besides me.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Rex Schimmer on July 01, 2012, 02:01:55 PM
Quote from the Doc: " Hey Wayno, chuck an amp in the truck for Speedweek, Don, stock up on jokes.....Bill, I'll be seeing the Spud." Does this mean we will be seeing you in August James?? I'll bring the tequila and I have a trick hand powered blender, see you at the 221 4VF/L pits!!

Rex 
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: DND on July 01, 2012, 03:15:46 PM
Hi Rex

A few yrs back i saw a guy with a small block powered blender, just a tad overkill for Margareta City

Don
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Freud on July 01, 2012, 03:59:10 PM
Don there is no such thing as OVERKILL for Margareta City.

Bring your own hose for your straw. Regulate the size by your capacity/hour.

Can you imagine the modesty of Rex suggesting his "hand powered blender?"  You bet.

The hand probably presses the button to fire up a nitro hemi on a 53 foot semi trailer.

FREUD
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: DND on July 01, 2012, 06:45:30 PM
Yep blown with a 95% load !!!!
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on July 01, 2012, 06:57:21 PM
oh dear
 I'm going to have to get a bigger rental car  :cheers:
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on July 01, 2012, 07:11:36 PM
Was there ever a doubt?

I'm grounded with work, but I'll be meeting up with Max before the end of July.  Expect a small care package along with Graham's 970 Cooper block.

I been jumping up and down and running around the house incessantly since I decided, then I saw 970 Cooper block and went "oh , yeah, that"....I'd been conveniently forgetting that I had to do other stuff than look at cars, talk sheet and drink margaritas...I have to work even harder than last year. Last year I had seventy interviews and wrote two big stories and three little ones.This year it'll be twice that.....I just hope I haven't got the week-long hangover that I generated in LA this time 'round...

I'll be jumping freights, Simon is getting in late due to work commitments here and Grumm is staying a week longer than I can, so in with the Colonel and out with the Shutterbugger.....Motel 6 here we come. I can almost smell it ...............

How are those T-shirts Rev?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on July 01, 2012, 10:28:38 PM
 :cheers:  Looking forward to it  :-o
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on July 02, 2012, 02:16:13 AM
I been jumping up and down and running around the house incessantly since I decided, then I saw 970 Cooper block and went "oh , yeah, that"....I'd been conveniently forgetting that I had to do other stuff than look at cars, talk sheet and drink margaritas...

Should fit in the overhead, but to be safe, put it above somebody else's seat.

 :roll:

Hmmm . . . , how is it that when I pull up a quote from myself within a quote by you, it comes up "Pommy Car Guy?"   :wink:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on July 02, 2012, 02:49:20 AM
Hmmm . . . , how is it that when I pull up a quote from myself within a quote by you, it comes up "Pommy Car Guy?"   :wink:


aaaaah . . hahahahaha . . .hehehehe.......awwwwww snuk snuk snuk  . . .heheheh bahahaha :-D :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on July 03, 2012, 05:55:52 PM
Sold the Tow Truck, finances coming back under control, ticket bought........ I feel like an owl stuffed with peanut butter and some apple juice. :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on July 03, 2012, 08:59:27 PM
Sold the Tow Truck, finances coming back under control, ticket bought........ I feel like an owl stuffed with peanut butter and some apple juice. :-D
Una tecolote relleno con cacajuates molido.  :cheers: Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Tman on July 04, 2012, 04:28:06 PM
I just caught wind of this. AWESOME to hear you are making it Goggs. I will have some of that fine IPA among other surprises. Swing by the #416 pit, can't miss the Seafoam Green 61 Ford pickup.

Don't forget our BBQ at the Bend Friday night. Will raffle off some neat stuff and passing the hat for Save the Salt.  :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on July 04, 2012, 05:31:28 PM
I just caught wind of this. AWESOME to hear you are making it Goggs. I will have some of that fine IPA among other surprises. Swing by the #416 pit, can't miss the Seafoam Green 61 Ford pickup.

Don't forget our BBQ at the Bend Friday night. Will raffle off some neat stuff and passing the hat for Save the Salt.  :cheers:

Hmmm, that sounds like diary entry number one. Looking forward to that IPA, I'll have to come up with a worthy auction item for you blokes.

Just got a new job yesterday, starts three days after I get back, whatever it is I'm doing at the moment it seems to be workin' ............34 days to lift off. :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Tman on July 04, 2012, 05:54:51 PM
Cool, auction items are needed. So far we have some cool petroliana (gas station stuff)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on July 06, 2012, 08:45:08 AM
Sounds all good, I am jealous I can't be there.

Colonel, still looking for that muscle car?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=221060696094+&viewitem=

On sheds and temperature:
When I visited Sumner in his snow bound shed it was great to see the warm air from his leanto glasshouse for tomatoes being pumped into his workshop. Sweet design.

On temperature:
38degrees celcius and 80% humidity every day this week. Ok indoors but mostly I am on site and that is hot and sweaty... Especially up 30 meters of bamboo covered scaffold with no safety net in a glass parabolic dome...

Other news:
Coming home though on the 13th of August, dr g are you still going to be there?

Work coming to an end here, have a new job in the UK at the University of Nottingham starting in September. They have an excellent rapid prototyping department there so a chance to make some specialist pieces for the tank... 3d laser sintered team woggles anyone?

Good luck racers, keep the shiny side up.
Reverend H+

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: manta22 on July 06, 2012, 11:50:42 AM
Rev;

"...up 30 meters of bamboo covered scaffold with no safety net..."

Tiger hunting?    :-P

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on July 06, 2012, 12:34:18 PM
So, is the scaffold made out of bamboonium?  :-P Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on July 06, 2012, 04:48:47 PM
No OSHA in China, more like oshat.
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on July 07, 2012, 12:23:52 AM

Colonel, still looking for that muscle car?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=221060696094+&viewitem=

Other news:
Coming home though on the 13th of August, dr g are you still going to be there?


With the demolition of the asbestos shed and the other small purchase, it would have to be somewhat cheaper
Will be in the USA from the 8th of August to the 1st of Sept. When are you going to Nottingham?
How are those T shirts coming?
And not so hot here this morning
G

(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc28/grumm441/Bom.jpg)
 
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on July 07, 2012, 12:54:37 AM
Leave Melbourne on the 30th of August so perfect timing to miss each other!
I'll try to finish tee shirt design this weekend and look to sending to be made somewhere...

Dik
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on July 07, 2012, 01:05:18 AM
Leave Melbourne on the 30th of August so perfect timing to miss each other!
I'll try to finish tee shirt design this weekend and look to sending to be made somewhere...

Dik

I'll be back on the 25th, which is my birthday....I'm going to have a BBQ and you two, sorry ,three have to come....I't won't be too crazy as the host will be severely jet lagged ......

Just get those shirts sorted so I can have them in Bendover.You've got a month, and that includes shipping time.

I could have skied on the back lawn this morning.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Geo on July 07, 2012, 04:29:54 PM
Hmmm...
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on July 07, 2012, 09:01:13 PM
It's like I'm on the other side of the planet :-D
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on July 07, 2012, 09:07:24 PM
I feel like I'm on the other side of the planet twice...
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on July 08, 2012, 02:19:39 AM
I am on the other side of the planet & it's still yesterday :?
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: rgn on July 08, 2012, 08:16:08 AM
I am on the other side of the planet & it's still yesterday :?
  Sid.

I went to the pictures tomorrow,
and bought the front seat at the back.
I fell from the floor to the ceiling,
and hurt the front part of my back?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on July 12, 2012, 05:53:27 AM
Well, no-one told me not to say this....there is another lakester in the making ...now because I am aware of the sensitivities I'm not going to refer to it as a BELLYTANK as it has been made clear elsewhere that "only cars made from actual bellytanks should be called bellytanks, the others are wingtanks".......Ha!

Whatever, the big deal is that this new car will built using a Canberra tank, yep, just like ours. It's a member of the landracing.com forum ....hmmm, how did we find out ?.....well The Reverend got a PM wondering whether we had the 3D stuff we used when we built the Spirit of Sunshine.

That was a massive amount of work building that info up and far from trying to amortise the cost of our time and effort we are thrilled to bits that there is someone else out there who can use it .

I'm confident that they'll break cover soon.......................it's a strange feeling but now I don't feel like a new guy anymore.

Hey Ralph,

have some manners mate, yes, this is the theatre of the insane but you need to do your qualifying passes and you've skipped "out there" on your way to "odd" and besides,poetry needs to be approved before it appears on this thread...just in case you wondered Sid has his AA license and I'm older than him anyway........Have you decided what you're going to run next year?..........by the time you get your liner built I'm going to park the SOS and just watch the bike liners, you , Jon, Ross( :roll:) Bones....um....Lucky...... it won't be boring.

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on July 12, 2012, 02:53:11 PM
That whole "wing tank belly tank thing" is a bunch of crap Mate! The "32" of all belly tanks is "supposedly" the P38 & that mutha was mounted to the wing! They're just all sexy bitches.
See ya over here soon, ya old fart! Leave room in your bag for another tank.
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on July 12, 2012, 05:00:34 PM
if that is the case the Wild Weasle is one of a kind TRUE BELLY TANKER---it rode INSIDE of the bomb bay hence a TRUE BELLY TANKERS---that would make all that rode outside ---  :evil:  want-a-be's  :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on July 12, 2012, 06:01:59 PM
That whole "wing tank belly tank thing" is a bunch of crap Mate! The "32" of all belly tanks is "supposedly" the P38 & that mutha was mounted to the wing! They're just all sexy bitches.
See ya over here soon, ya old fart! Leave room in your bag for another tank.
  Sid.

Just stirrin Sid........but, now I'm a little worried, we might be recognized as a "type"....before I know it I'll be standing next to SOS one day and some-guy will point out to me that with just a little bit of work we could be just like a classic Canberra bellytanker, but that we've done a good job all the same.

Are those Stan's footsteps I hear?

Bill, attached to the OUTSIDE of the belly, not um from inside it, that's another thing again........
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on July 12, 2012, 11:59:24 PM
SO do I have a Woomb Tank as in WomBAT :-o
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: rgn on July 13, 2012, 06:04:44 AM
have some manners mate,

It was my Dad's 90th birthday party two weeks ago, while at dinner I was showing him how I could cleverly get a piece of his spaghetti to go in through my nose and out of my mouth.  He was unimpressed and suggested that anyone would think that I had been dragged up, not brought up... I laughed and the spaghetti then liberated landed in Mum's hair.  No one of course said anything because it would have upset her to have known how it got there... So good point! 
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on July 13, 2012, 08:55:11 AM
Oh you're undoubtedly a "type" Goggs, but thats irrelevant to the tank.
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on July 13, 2012, 09:54:33 PM
Oh you're undoubtedly a "type" Goggs, but thats irrelevant to the tank.
  Sid.

Indeed
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: penny on July 15, 2012, 08:22:57 AM
How that you are married james you may need to get some knowledge in the operation of this little unit .


http://www.ibys.org/shed/?p=64

and another DLRA member

http://www.ibys.org/shed/?p=394
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on July 15, 2012, 10:56:43 AM
Despite his modeling and prototype abilities, Hoke was a liar, a cheat and a plagiarist.  The basis for the REG was all worked out by the RAND Corporation in the late 1940's -

http://www.rand.org/pubs/monograph_reports/MR1418.html

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on July 15, 2012, 11:09:19 AM
In 1986 I was traveling by bus in the US some quite large distances and I always met extraordinary people on these trips. One guy had an uncanny resemblance to Stevie Ray Vaughn and told me he was a number prospector. What he searched for was prime numbers. He showed me a one dollar bill whose serial number was a prime number.

I think he may have had a mild form of Aspergers (doesn't everybody on this website?) but it was only years later that I actually understood what he told me he was using them for: large scale encryption technologies.

Rand may have indeed invented the tool, but it took others to find the use for that kind of tool later...

RH+
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Freud on July 15, 2012, 03:38:14 PM
Hedgash.......me thinks you are trying to divert the attention of serious racers with your dribble.

Please carve your statements in stone and ship them to California.  They will understand your

messages and have a place to destroy the messages after they enter them in their State of

California archives.

FREUD
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on July 16, 2012, 05:52:02 PM
Shhhhhhh, don't distract him Freud, let him dribble all he wants but don't distract him from the job of making those T-shirts.

In other news I got meself a smart phone thingy, holy heck! the kids( or at least whoever it is designing and making this stuff) have been busy.....what with all the Apps and everything...last week I thought it was a big deal having a guitar tuner on my phone, this week I have a beaut little gearing/tire/diff/revs/speed calculator.

"No orificer I was not texting, I was attempting to calculate the real tire height of the car at 5000rpm based on known diff ratio and indicated speed ".

22 days til blast off. :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Jon on July 17, 2012, 02:47:03 AM

In other news I got meself a smart phone thingy


Hmmmmm...... A wise Bespectacled Physician who is a Parched Pond Speedster once told me..

Phone
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/red_phone.jpg)

Computer
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/mp_main_wide_EarlyComputerMarketing.jpg)

Nothing more to say :)
jon
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on July 17, 2012, 04:25:40 AM
Fold.

:oops:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Jon on July 17, 2012, 04:39:27 AM
Fold.

:oops:

Updated from my YuppiePhone..

Fixed for you.

What's the Gear ratio App?
jon
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on July 17, 2012, 07:55:32 AM
Fold.

:oops:

Updated from my YuppiePhone..

Fixed for you.

What's the Gear ratio App?
jon
just search for "gear ratio calculator"

i dunno how you do anythhing on these@7#%!$@ing things



sent from my mungaphone 40000
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on July 17, 2012, 02:46:13 PM
Jeez, there's a 4000 out now, can you bring me one, munga?   
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on July 17, 2012, 11:07:21 PM
Tee shirts ordered! They wont be the largest of large as I just couldn't seem to get them here but the smaller of the two sizes fits me and I am 6'1" (but reasonably svelte) and I also have one side up.

Colours will be black on yellow, black on white or white on black with logo on front lapel and bigger image and text on the back.

These images are my drawings for reference only but they show the images front and back. I'll post some photos of real tees once they arrive.

This is our first run (and hence collectors items!) and is a short run of each size and colour.

Depending on interest and comment, we may do another run.

Dik
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on July 17, 2012, 11:08:17 PM
And white back
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on July 18, 2012, 12:25:59 AM
Two trips to Lake G, a record, years of work in the shed, thousands spent -

But it ain't a race team until you put out a T-Shirt.

Bona fide, folks - bona fide.

 :cheers:

Oh, and a damned nice one at that . . .
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on July 18, 2012, 12:47:18 AM
 Is it just me or does the guy with the red shorts look like a GI Joe who has had his leg twisted 180 degrees?

They're great Reverend, now we need to get them to the States, or at least some of them..... I fly on the 8th, when does Amber get in?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Freud on July 18, 2012, 01:28:25 AM
It's the stars that make them unique........................

FREUD
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on July 18, 2012, 02:04:27 AM
Those stars wont be there I am afraid but I can stitch some on for you if you are really keen...

Amber upside down again on the 6th.

Thanks for the comments.

rH+
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Jon on July 18, 2012, 06:15:42 AM
How do I pay?
jon
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: ben james on July 18, 2012, 09:20:41 AM
be careful they don't fall into the wrong hands,
i could just imagine seeing someone wearing one on that
being Lara Bingle tv show :wink:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on July 18, 2012, 10:44:47 AM
With Amber going upside down, that might be a possability!  :-D
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on July 18, 2012, 05:45:33 PM
be careful they don't fall into the wrong hands,
i could just imagine seeing someone wearing one on that
being Lara Bingle tv show :wink:

I've got to wonder how much he gets paid to wear that hat
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on July 18, 2012, 05:51:20 PM
be careful they don't fall into the wrong hands,
i could just imagine seeing someone wearing one on that
being Lara Bingle tv show :wink:

I've got to wonder how much he gets paid to wear that hat
G

So, um, got a bit on the moment guys?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on July 20, 2012, 04:29:45 AM
flat out.......
I was just looking for something else in build dairies  and noticeed that this we're nearly up to 300,000 views
what's wrong with you people ?
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on July 20, 2012, 09:36:06 AM
Oh!, sorry, I've been slacking lately.  :-P
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on July 21, 2012, 09:11:53 PM
I got an email from Wayno asking if I could talk to a guy about building a tank "his name is Ed , you met him at Bonneville last year"...... So I send an email to Ed and he writes back wanting to know a few things.

"...............saw your car in the post on Waynos construction progress  ,comments etc ,went to Google and did a search for the Jarman-Stewart Spirit of Sunshine and read on about the 3800 v-6 and looked at some You-tube stuff ,the car sit's right and I like the way the canopy cover blends into the car lines ,plus keeps your head out of the wind
Have been gathering engine parts for some time as well info on the chassis build ,just about to put the engine together ,need a Wayno tank body ,needs to be pancaked like the Jack Kelly tank and or yours as I think that helps the stabiltiy
 So just need some how you done it info on the body/chassis build I would say
"

I started writing back to Ed and then thought "gee, I wish it was as fast to attach pics to email as landracing.com"....then I thought actually some other people might like to see this.......So,

Hi Ed,

we started with a Canberra wing tip tank turned 90degrees so the attachment point is toward the ground. We cut the bottom flat, not by much , in fact so little that I added about an inch and a half at the point about a foot forward of the rear axle.
 The upper part of the body is half of a F86 Sabre tank cut axially.In this pic you can see we've already cut the Sabre tank, where it ends here is where the firewall will be, the rest of the cowl, the piece over the drivers head was made from the bottom part of the Sabre tank . This worked well as it made the firewall the widest part and the cowl begins to taper in again toward the front, it was a natural transition point.

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/pRACTICEPicture088.jpg)

In the background you can see the the lower end piece, we cut the tip off this and made the scoop on the cowl from it.In this next shot you can see where there was a slither added, you can see that the flare that was there is gone.we designed for about an inch and a half clearance at the front rising to about three at the rear axle , this was after considering what the expanding boundary layer would be doing....

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/stewshots217.jpg)

On the next shot you can see that rather than use two heavy RSJs for a build jig we built a six poster bed style jig so we could "hang" items from it during construction.This was gradually cut away, initially we had the whole jig within 40thou it gave us a natural centreline and made axle alignment easy.We also steered away from a conventional "chassis" as we were so short of room, we built a spaceframe, as two chassis rails would have limited us either in how low we wanted it or how wide. This entire frame was designed in 3D CAD before we cut a single thing, we also built a 1:10 model AND we built a lifesize frame out of light inch tube to check that everything( at least the big things) would fit in it......

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/Jarman-StewartTank-buildOctober05023.jpg)

I used a Mig to stick it all together, not ideal but good for areas where perfect prep isn't going to happen..

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/stewshots222.jpg)

In this shot you can see the way the cowl meets at the firewall........

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/stewinframeOctober05070.jpg)

In this shot you can see that although it sounds simple we had a huge amount of fudging to make everything work

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/stewshots228.jpg)

If it wasn't for the Reverend, seen here, it wouldn't have been half as pretty as it is, dunno what he's up to here, but I'm sure it helped.

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/stewshots225.jpg)

here he is in the drivers seat, the lines and the stance are getting there....

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/TankbuildJune06028.jpg)

here you see how the axle lies at the centre or waist-line and you can see the beginning of the canopy superstructure..

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/stewshots173-2.jpg)

this shot is after we had cut the Machi jet canopy down but before we had added the straps allowing us to pull the sides in tighter....

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/stewshots186-1.jpg)

Even when I look at the photos myself I see things that I had conveniently forgotten about, truth be known it was a huge amount of work to make those pieces come together. The Reverend has an incredible eye for combining pieces in his head, when he saw the Sabre tank he knew it would fit on top of the Canberra, likewise when he saw the Machi jet canopy he knew it was right for what we wanted...... I can lay claim to the top of the cab and the scoop but that's about it.

here's the scoop when I welded it on....

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/P1050136.jpg)

we also used the original filler from the Canberra tank as the fuel filler....

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/P1050143.jpg)

Now, it looks like you'd better sign up here Ed :-D





Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on July 21, 2012, 10:04:36 PM
WOW what a fast build  maybe I should have had you guys do mine!!
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on July 21, 2012, 10:39:33 PM
When we started we thought it'd take a year and cost about ten grand, the only thing we were right about was the ten grand a year bit, it took over four times that long/much...........Makes the Wild Weasel seem cheap and fast if you ask me......

here we are at Mangalore on her first day out...before the scoop, before the body even saw P80, hah!

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/IMG_2228.jpg)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on July 21, 2012, 10:54:51 PM
Wow. That sounds like a lot of work. I just threw my junk up in the air and it landed like this.  :-P Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Captthundarr on July 21, 2012, 11:36:23 PM
Gravity works diffently down there. :?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Kiwi Paul on July 23, 2012, 01:17:55 AM
Don`t forget, Wayno, the Rulebook specifies at least 10lbs of Oatmeal for your class..... :mrgreen: :evil:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on July 23, 2012, 01:52:21 AM
Wow. That sounds like a lot of work. I just threw my junk up in the air and it landed like this.  :-P Wayno

FMD Wayno, you must have thrown it a long way up?

From memory it took at least three years to come down again........ :roll: :roll: :roll:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on July 23, 2012, 06:34:50 AM
More like 5 years really.  :roll: Paul, I have more oatmeal behind the seat.  :-) Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: PJQ on July 25, 2012, 09:24:09 PM
Great re-cap, seeing it in a few pics and short paragraphs makes me all philosophical-like about other life-stuff over the duration... and the constant thread of Salt!

Title: Tee Shirts
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on July 26, 2012, 01:10:17 AM
Ok, Tee shirts are made and are on their way to the US!

The sizes are XXL and XXXL which are the biggest I could get and I would say they are more like a medium and a Large. Both fit me with the XXXL being a better fit so I urge purchasers to have a test before buying. (Its a bit like buying condoms in Japan which come in "large", "extra large" and "foreign"...)

These are one colour tees with black on white a good wholesome simple look, black on "Sunshine Yellow" (TM) and an aged look white on black. They may not be Nike quality  but they are pretty good quality tees and not made by slave kids.

("But to me the sneakers don't seem that much cheaper,
Why are we paying so much for sneakers when they're made by little slave kids?
What are your overheads?"
Flight of the Conchords)



Hey Wayno,

thanks for agreeing to receive our batch of Tee-shirts from China.

Can you please pm me your telephone number so I can give to the courier? They should be there in just over a week.

Cheers,

Dik
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Jon on July 26, 2012, 02:06:16 AM
US, what about us??? :(
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on July 26, 2012, 02:15:03 AM
There will be some here Jon, they will have a stretch right sleeve for a pack of Winnies.

XXXL , sounds like a new nightshirt :roll:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Jon on July 26, 2012, 02:27:59 AM
Thanks Giggles. :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on July 26, 2012, 07:27:58 AM
There will be some here Jon, they will have a stretch right sleeve for a pack of Winnies.


Blue or red
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on July 26, 2012, 10:12:25 AM
Is it big enough for a 30 pack or is he gunna be stuck with a half day supply of 25's?
  Sid.
ps, For those that dont understand, thats a pack of fag's.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on July 26, 2012, 05:59:42 PM
Is it big enough for a 30 pack or is he gunna be stuck with a half day supply of 25's?
  Sid.
ps, For those that dont understand, thats a pack of fag's.

Hey, that went pretty well. :cheers: :cheers:

we'll make a special long sleeve version that'll have an SWL of a carton.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Jon on July 26, 2012, 06:50:34 PM
No Durries, these days, used to do 1-1/2 packs of Dunhill Maroons a day though.

Started smoking for the dumbest reason ever, when I left school I used to drive earthmoving machinery, everyone else smoked and the cabins smelt like $hit.
When you smoke you can't smell it.

If it can hold a couple of Dark & Stormy bottles would be handy though, dont like cans.

Cheers
jon
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on July 26, 2012, 07:51:07 PM
Definitely from the north
Dark and stormy cans. eek
some guy gave us a sixpack of Dark and Stormy for doing some work on his bike the other day, so we charged him extra
They're still in the fridge, next to the VB cans some customer bought
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: 4-barrel Mike on July 26, 2012, 08:04:45 PM
Crazy!  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_'N'_Stormy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_'N'_Stormy)

 :cheers:

Mike
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Jon on July 26, 2012, 08:10:34 PM
Dont blame you for not drinking it from a can.

People should be shot for putting ice in it too, rum off the shelf, Ginger beer in the fridge, Lime if your feeling a bits special.

jon
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on July 26, 2012, 08:35:45 PM
Bundy, the only known way of making something smell more like alcohol, than pure alcohol.

I will confess to having a bottle of Inner Circle OP here, it is generally regarded as an anti-personnel device that is outside the Geneva Convention.

Been a while since we had a bottle of Bundy on the premises, her uncle died a few years back and she bought a bottle because the smell reminded her of him, we drank it. The next morning I woke up and we'd travelled back in time ( precisely 20 years and 1 hour), I had on white shoes and the missus was in a sarong with a bikini top, they'd built a canal past our house and Joh WAS the PM.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: rgn on July 26, 2012, 08:47:05 PM
Dr Goggles, have you ever written copy for Mambo??
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on July 26, 2012, 09:30:03 PM
They RIPPED ME OFF MAN!..........

No. Just a shared sensibility. My brother lived up around Townsville and Innisfail for fifteen years or so from the early Seventies when he rode his BSA up to James Cook Uni ........my knowledge of ( as they called it ,Clownsburg Queersland) was through the eyes of some pretty crazy funsters , my schoolies experience was living in the bush out the back of El Arish with a mixed bunch of characters who I'm pretty sure were on the list of "introduced vermin"......

Used to play gigs a fair bit in Brisvegas, next to Melbourne it's my favorite city, had some pretty wild times there......

What with Campbell Newman in the drivers seat looks like Queensland might become newsworthy again, time for another "Minister for Everything"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russ_Hinze
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on July 26, 2012, 09:47:41 PM
I have heard some interesting stories for the ex- Victorian Minister for Everything Superministry Steve Crabb but I better not tell due to the union's habit of carrying steel bars in their utes...

d
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on July 26, 2012, 11:47:32 PM
Rum. So that's what Bundy is supposed to be. I thought it was for cleaning parts with.

I have heard some interesting stories for the ex- Victorian Minister for Everything Superministry Steve Crabb but I better not tell due to the union's habit of carrying steel bars in their utes...

d

Used to, oh, never mind, it will only get me in trouble
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on August 06, 2012, 01:59:33 PM
If anyone was wondering, the shirts arrived safe and sound at the RODGE MAHAL. Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on August 06, 2012, 05:52:37 PM
Well thank goodness for that
At least someone has spirit of sunshine T shirts
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on August 06, 2012, 07:50:15 PM

If anyone was wondering, the shirts arrived safe and sound at the RODGE MAHAL. Wayno

Are these the left hand drive models for the export market?

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on August 06, 2012, 09:28:17 PM

If anyone was wondering, the shirts arrived safe and sound at the RODGE MAHAL. Wayno
Are these the left hand drive models for the export market?
I have no way of knowing. These things appear to have been packed with a trash compactor. Whomever deigns to open said package does so at their peril. Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on August 06, 2012, 09:32:47 PM
Huh? I packed them and there was room to spare! better make sure something else hasn't been added... better yet better check they are in fact tee shirts!

dik
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on August 06, 2012, 11:04:07 PM
You beaut'! :cheers:...now I'll have something to do when I get there....joking.

I arrived back at the Spirit of Sunshine Possum park and Landspeed laboratory this morning with my better two thirds after our honeymoon/moneyhoon in Bali.....now I won't go into it too deeply but but Bali is a mixture of the beautiful and the horrific, the horrific part is the area to which so many of my countrymen head for cheap holidays to indulge themselves in a way that only a third world country can provide. The beauty is the parts where the Balinese culture survives to a degree , they are incredible people hanging onto life as part of the Indonesian nation that is desperately trying to squeeze every last exploitable drop out of them.

Traffic in Bali really is something else, like the approach to the Death Star.....I'm not exaggerating.When you are traveling at 30mph on a street that is just wide enough for two small cars with people walking along both sides of it and scooters are passing you on BOTH sides at once and you look up to see two cars abreast heading toward you you would be entitled to assume that someone will slow down or back off, and you would be wrong. It is perfectly likely that at least one of the scooters passing you will have three or four people on it, and maybe on one of those scooters will be a little boy trying to put his hands over his dads eyes, the scooter on the other side will be ridden by a guy who is sending a text message. This all happens with complete civility, we didn't see an accident or an angry word. We returned to Denpassar with a driver who when confronted by a log jam at a (rare) set of traffic lights just barrelled down the verge which was worryingly close to a deep drain, as I looked out and thought "well I never" a guy shot past on a scooter, between us and the drain.

I'm now desperately trying to rearrange my gear to get on the plane tomorrow to LAX...

Oh, did I mention that I left my credit card in an ATM in Ubud?.....genius, thankfully the machine sucked it and no-one went for a spree on it, just added to the complexity a little :roll: :roll: :roll:


Bonneville , here I come. :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: rgn on August 06, 2012, 11:35:37 PM
Safe and fun travels to both yourself and Grumm Doc.  :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on August 07, 2012, 02:09:25 AM
Thanks Ralph,we're going to have a ball.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on August 07, 2012, 02:19:48 AM


Traffic in Bali really is something else, like the approach to the Death Star.....

Stay on Target...
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on August 07, 2012, 03:00:53 AM
It would be better if I could find my neck pillow
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on August 07, 2012, 03:08:33 AM
Gees. Team Jarman-Stewart Racing on the move...

All my worldly possessions left Changzhou China today bound for England, I am bound for Australia on Sunday, and you guys will be in the US after Dr G returning from Bali.

Feels a bit like some kind of weird vortex, especially as I will leave Oz again in 2 weeks.

Best of luck all OS.

rH+

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on August 07, 2012, 04:26:06 PM
OK, that's it, I've had enough of this winter after the last 24 hrs of it.

6.30am here, take-off 9.30am........

until Wendover  :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on August 07, 2012, 04:44:11 PM
Well it's definately not cold over here Mate!
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on August 07, 2012, 04:52:20 PM
OK, that's it, I've had enough of this winter after the last 24 hrs of it.

6.30am here, take-off 9.30am........

until Wendover  :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

Right behind you sport
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: bones on August 08, 2012, 04:23:53 AM
And I'll be along shortly
   Bones
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Jon on August 08, 2012, 05:29:14 AM
Travel safe guys.
jon
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on August 10, 2012, 10:52:57 PM
bit of rain and a lot of wind wind today seen some good.stuff and of course.met some great people,ate brekky with Seth and fast Freddy,lunch with Freud at the Flats cafe,having beers with the Colonel,happy times :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on August 10, 2012, 10:57:49 PM
Wow. Enjoy. I am very, very jealous.

Hopefully next year...

d

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on August 10, 2012, 11:21:06 PM
There we sat, Nancy and I, about to dig into our breakfast - and who walks in but the Famed (note the capital letter) Dr. G?  Walks to our table, chats at/with us for a few minutes, and then up and leaves for even fairer tablemates (so he says, I doubt he could do much better).  Thanks for the visit, James, and we won't tell the rest of your countrymen what you told us about them :roll:.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Freud on August 10, 2012, 11:37:41 PM
Dr. G gave me an upside down tour of Bonneville and then we had lunch.

I still need more than an hour to get my Friday post done and then I must

get it to Ray to be posted. So be patient. It was a heavy day. The car was taken out

of the trailer and parked under the tent but not lowered to the ground. At least

some people saw it to their amazement.  It will be on display after the drivers meeting

on Saturday.

So do your Saturday chores and check back. I'll try to have another post in the next few days.

FREUD

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on August 10, 2012, 11:39:30 PM
Its a beautiful thing.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on August 11, 2012, 11:35:50 PM
the pictures don't do it justice
and i thought Ferd would be taller
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Moxnix on August 12, 2012, 10:09:08 AM
Gogs, the engine block is at Slim's pit, either in the trailer or the back of my vehicle.  Plus a package from M. Midget that you might do well to pick up ASAP and the block any time.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Graham in Aus on August 12, 2012, 06:52:02 PM
BIG thanks to Chris, Max and Gogs for making this (block thing) happen, I really do wish I was there to help you enjoy speedweek even more!

Hadn't bothered you guys before now, as Max has been flat out with the (excellent) webcast, top work Max!

Has Marilyn been down the Bonneville salt yet?

Many thanks  :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on August 14, 2012, 08:25:50 AM
Hi all,ripping through it at a furious pace here,yesterday was interesting  ......

Jeff Brock and Buddy  are impound and we're trying to get a story sorted within days,

I cant write to save myself on this phone.

more soon .....
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Moxnix on August 14, 2012, 09:38:49 AM
Should any of our Down Under brethren caught this morning's pre racing prep, they may have recognized the music of Dr. Goggles, his self same self.  He having donated a CD to the audio library for which we are grateful.

Said music was previewed three times in the mobile studio yesterday evening, once at high volume as the studio rolled down the main drag through West Wendover from Smith's parking lot.  If God made better music than Goggles and Milwaukee Midget's to play  on the salt flats, he kept it for himself.  Muchly appreciated . . .
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: gearheadeh on August 14, 2012, 11:35:07 AM
Should any of our Down Under brethren caught this morning's pre racing prep, they may have recognized the music of Dr. Goggles, his self same self.  He having donated a CD to the audio library for which we are grateful.

Said music was previewed three times in the mobile studio yesterday evening, once at high volume as the studio rolled down the main drag through West Wendover from Smith's parking lot.  If God made better music than Goggles and Milwaukee Midget's to play  on the salt flats, he kept it for himself.  Muchly appreciated . . .

For some time I have been wondering..........is it just me or are there a high proportion of profesional musicians who also do L.S.R.  ???
Roll call if you fit this description please?   :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on August 14, 2012, 12:32:51 PM

For some time I have been wondering..........is it just me or are there a high proportion of profesional musicians who also do L.S.R.  ???


Define professional musician.

Ah HA!  Gotcha on THAT one!

But if you were to do a venn diagram of "players" and "racers", I suspect you'd find the intersecting set would be about the mode or mean of any other pair of oddball subcultures.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Tman on August 15, 2012, 01:30:01 AM
Glad to have spent some time with you! Even the Scots were raving about that IPA :cheers: And whodathunk they had never had a decent hot dog? WTF? It looked like rabid dogs after they had their first bite! :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on August 15, 2012, 07:47:52 AM
the Monaro has run three times and spun twice
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on August 15, 2012, 09:16:59 AM
the Monaro has run three times and spun twice
G

A Holden Roadster?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Rob on August 15, 2012, 06:42:19 PM
Coupe Chris, the one on the left.

(http://cdn.speedhunters.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/IMG_2446.jpg)

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on August 15, 2012, 07:31:26 PM
Coupes aren't supposed to spin!  :wink:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Graham in Aus on August 15, 2012, 09:16:53 PM
the Monaro has run three times and spun twice
G

Thanks for the info. Grumm

And the pic Rob! Waynes Monaro is a mean looking beast! One of my lasting memories of Gairdner is hearing that thing at full chat 200 plus....

Awesome....... :-P

Cheers
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: rgn on August 15, 2012, 09:45:02 PM
Love the yellow cab... :cheers: 
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Kiwi Paul on August 17, 2012, 12:13:34 PM
Doc--Was great to meet and talk to you this week. Especially about the Work Experience related to your job....Between you and Bob Ellis, the humour quotient was way up ther......
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on August 17, 2012, 12:25:14 PM
Great to meet you Paul ( and all the other people I met for the first time this year) and it was great see all the people I've gotten to know before, both here and on the salt. Had a great day with Freud and talked lakesters with Sparky, good people right there.

I did what I could to support local businesses, particularly the lovely Carmen's fine establishment.....now speaking of Carmen's I may have coined a new phrase, asked the other night how it took me so long to get back to the motel a said "well I took the shortest route home, I just drew a pretty squiggly line along it..."

So the the shortest way is " as the crow flies"...the longest?..."as the aussie walks" 
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on August 17, 2012, 05:00:08 PM
I am,right at this very minute, looking at the So-Cal bellytank.Yes uncle Sydney,
Al's car is here too.

Wayno's tonight  :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Tman on August 17, 2012, 05:03:44 PM
I'll bring some more of that fine IPA next year to get you back across the pond.. The look on your face was priceless!
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on August 17, 2012, 10:12:36 PM
talking Lakesters is good :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Tman on August 18, 2012, 01:37:31 AM
talking Lakesters is good :cheers:

Yes but I am sad I missed you again!
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on August 18, 2012, 09:04:08 AM
What i have been meaning to say is i saw Andy Welker's gorgeous tank. An absolute knockout combo of style and execution. The cab is  a true work of art,the steering column support was extraordinary.congratulations mate it was really gteat to meet you.

I caught up with Julio from the Bean Bandits,what with all the banger  tanks out there i think their party got crashed  .  .goof times,good times :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Tman on August 18, 2012, 06:21:51 PM
What i have been meaning to say is i saw Andy Welker's gorgeous tank. An absolute knockout combo of style and execution. The cab is  a true work of art,the steering column support was extraordinary.congratulations mate it was really gteat to meet you.

I caught up with Julio from the Bean Bandits,what with all the banger  tanks out there i think their party got crashed  .  .goof times,good times :cheers:


We spent a good hour with Andy and his brother. Truly one of the nicest tanks ever built. He was holding back with the stuff he posted online. An engineer that can fab and weld!?!?!?!?! :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: DND on August 18, 2012, 09:46:14 PM
Hi Tman

Is the Tank you are talking about the injected flathead with a covered roll cage, frame done in a dark grey color?

That is bar none the best tank ever built, the driver protection is perfect!

Don
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on August 19, 2012, 09:00:10 AM
yep,that's the one Don the way the fueller style cage fits in it is very fine work.Andy is THE Man.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on August 19, 2012, 10:25:52 AM
Enjoy the rest of your trip "nephew", see ya next year.
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: DND on August 19, 2012, 01:48:57 PM
Hi Doc

Do you have any contact info for Andy Welker, is he a forum member too?

Thanks, Don
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Tman on August 19, 2012, 09:06:19 PM
Hi Doc

Do you have any contact info for Andy Welker, is he a forum member too?

Thanks, Don

I know he is on the HAMB as awelker and has a good hread going. Cool dude, nicest tank on the salt this year by far!
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on August 20, 2012, 10:07:58 AM
Enjoy the rest of your trip "nephew", see ya next year.
  Sid.

 Now , you probably realised you had me flumoxed for a minute or two when I ran into you at the 550 for a minute or so...because you don't have a Kiwi accent..I'm thinking ..."hang on, is this Graham Robinson? ( you'd know him yeah?..and you look just like him)......so that's why I didn't say anything smartazz to you for the first few minutes , had I realised it was you straight up I would have been a little more "friendly"....  Graham and I dug your camper , did the Scots like the thistle?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Tman on August 20, 2012, 04:39:51 PM
Hi Doc

Do you have any contact info for Andy Welker, is he a forum member too?

Thanks, Don

He is awelker on here as well. His email is in his profile.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on August 22, 2012, 01:37:33 AM
Busy day here in LA, we have been chaperoned around a bunch of custom shops and spent some time in the bowels of the Peterson, saw some really really great stuff, and some other stuff , non- site specific.
I think my body is finally going to adjust to the time here in the next day or so which is good because that's when I fly home......
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on August 22, 2012, 10:31:50 AM
Graham Robinson musbe a real good lookin bloke!  :-D

The Thistle plant went over real big in the Flower of Scotland pit, with a big cheer & a weer th fook di ye git thaat??
The reward was well worth the effort.
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Tman on August 22, 2012, 04:54:06 PM
Graham Robinson musbe a real good lookin bloke!  :-D

The Thistle plant went over real big in the Flower of Scotland pit, with a big cheer & a weer th fook di ye git thaat??
The reward was well worth the effort.
  Sid.

That must have been Malcom talking? I recognize the accent :-D Great translation BTW :wink:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on August 22, 2012, 09:14:58 PM
We've never actually met Tman but we're kinda neigbours up here on the big island, you goin t WOS?
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Tman on August 23, 2012, 03:29:51 PM
We've never actually met Tman but we're kinda neigbours up here on the big island, you goin t WOS?
  Sid.

Not this year Sid. I would like to do 2 events next year.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: awelker on August 29, 2012, 04:06:29 PM
Apparently I have been behind on my forum reading and missed coming up in conversation, still busy cleaning up and unpacking.  Thanks to all for the compliments on my bellytank, and it was great to meet you guys in person.  It has been a long road to finally get this thing race ready, and we had a blast on the salt.  Everybody we talked to no matter it being officials, other teams, or spectators was a great experience. 

Now I need a bigger flathead....but who doesn't.

If you care to check it out we had created a website to have a trip blog to keep people updated, but also has some pictures from speedweek and some youtube videos of runs. Nothing fancy, site is: www.vonwelker.com

Andy
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Tman on August 29, 2012, 04:27:37 PM
Great to meet you Andy!
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on August 29, 2012, 05:13:28 PM
Sucka Mucka Andy! your tank is a niiice piece of work. PO'd that I missed you at the salt.
The trip is so much of the adventure even without the reward of speed week.
I see you learned what a snow fence is!
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on August 31, 2012, 09:08:08 PM
And it's warm here, not like it is back on the wst island.
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on August 31, 2012, 09:14:01 PM
And it's warm here, not like it is back on the wst island.
G
Where's here? No fair saying "Where here is." :x Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on August 31, 2012, 10:38:19 PM
Well, looking at the weather channel, I'm clearly not in Utah, because it appears to be pissing down
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Moxnix on September 01, 2012, 12:33:50 AM
Grumm, I found more swag and had to give it to Wayno, as you'd fled the area.  You'll see it next time you drop in.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on September 12, 2012, 12:30:21 AM
The very first time I went to the salt I met a guy camped next to us who was on his first trip to the salt and he brought a Hyabusa with him, a great guy, smart, funny and determined. Turned out he came from Numurkah , not far from where I'd grown up and he said "I'm Australia's southern-most rice grower".

Turns out his mum and my mum knew each other somehow, we've been friends since and I have watched as he has become one of the fastest guys on a sit on bike.

He ran a record at 253mph at Bonneville on the 10th, that's movin', I just spoke to him in Wendover and he's still buzzing and keen to start at the Shootout where he plans to "turn the wick up a little" and run faster still.

Congratulations Greg Watters , you're a bloody legend.!!!!!!!!!!

 :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Tman on September 12, 2012, 12:39:35 AM
Yes, congrats to Greg! WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thats fast
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on September 23, 2012, 11:05:49 PM
Whilst the rest of the landspeed community is just getting to the end of Busy Time things are just starting to thaw at the Spirit of Sunshine possum park and landspeed laboratory.

I have just this minute got off the phone from Hugo at Hugo's Race Differentials. The rear end has been set up such that we can swap the ten bolt R&P sets. We will start with , are you ready?, EITHER the 2.56 or the 2.41:1 set.....see , there's nothing like suspense and I've been prattling along on this tired story for over two years now.......just when you thought we'd made a decision it has all been thrown up in the air.

Reassembly of the car will commence next weekend, a basic reassembly, some minor changes to the top of the cage and then paint......

So, just when you thought this years show was over .
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: wobblywalrus on September 23, 2012, 11:56:51 PM
Why not build two rear ends?  Switch them as needed.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on September 24, 2012, 12:10:01 AM
 here on the way to the sandblasters is the frame and beside it the rear superstructure, you will notice that the rear end is not actually removable.....from the superstructure, it's just the way we did it.....

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/P6160524.jpg)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Peter Jack on September 24, 2012, 12:19:35 AM
I realize you've probably thought about it but I'm wondering why you don't cut the rear end free after the blasting but before the paint and then set it up so it's a bolt on? You could then build as many rear ends as you wanted and set them up so they bolted in the same place. With a little ingenuity you could probably work it so you wouldn't have to hardly bleed the brakes or maybe even not at all.

Pete
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on September 24, 2012, 12:47:37 AM
I realize you've probably thought about it

day and night

but I'm wondering why you don't cut the rear end free after the blasting but before the paint and then set it up so it's a bolt on?


Due to a sequence of decisions, mostly based around cost and simplicity(?) we have maintained the set up that has run straight and true at nearly 200mph, this is a GM housing and centre with Ford axle tubes,axles, brakes and wheels. there is no point making several of these monsters.

With a little ingenuity you could probably work it so you wouldn't have to hardly bleed the brakes or maybe even not at all.
Pete

As it is we'll be able to change the centre without getting too tangled up......
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on September 24, 2012, 01:38:35 AM
Ahh, Spring is in the air, and a young man's heart turns to thoughts of rear ends.

Any work on the sonic hydrocarbon converter?

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on September 24, 2012, 01:51:13 AM
Ahh, Spring is in the air, and a young man's heart turns to thoughts of rear ends.
Any work on the sonic hydrocarbon converter?

Any work that involves the device trusted with the job of converting hydrocarbons to sound is the Colonel's business.......Colonel?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on September 24, 2012, 05:02:56 AM
huh, what , who , where :|
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on September 24, 2012, 07:31:00 AM
Yeah---whats going on down there---anyhow
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on September 25, 2012, 07:57:05 PM
Last night I got started on the helmet padding support for the rear of the cage, modelled up in cardboard and cut out of 3/16 aluminium sheet.I'm still debating what I am going to do with the bracing/gussetting on the top of the cage, tube gussetts or not, it is all about the side visibility.... I picked up the finished rear end, it is in the back of my wagon which is at the radiator place....because of the holed radiator....why no fix meself?...........hmmmmmmm, that car is transport and my spare time is better spent on other things...
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: wobblywalrus on September 26, 2012, 12:03:32 AM
In reference to your problems with figuring out which gear ratio to buy, pick the one that will give you the speed you need and build your engine to pull the gearing.  That is a difficult rear end to swap out.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on September 26, 2012, 01:12:32 AM
In reference to your problems with figuring out which gear ratio to buy, pick the one that will give you the speed you need and build your engine to pull the gearing.  That is a difficult rear end to swap out.

Our engine build is as far as we can see on the right track. The Colonel is taming the wild habits of the valve train which saw it fall over to what we are pretty sure was float at 6500rpm at that point the curve was angled steeply up at 312hp.

We are starting the new rear end at 2.56:1, that will give us 211mph at 6500rpm, we last ran 192( 195 top speed) with 2.77:1@6500rpm( with around 240hp). If we do the 211 we will swap to the 2.41,If we can pull 6500 again through a mile that will then give us a better idea of whether we are in the ballpark power wise to make the leap to 240mph which the 2.41 will do at 7000rpm.

We have the parts necessary to make the swap at the lake.............

Yeah, I'm dreamin'. :roll: :roll:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: ben james on September 26, 2012, 09:02:37 AM
you're not dreamin Stew,
you're doin.
let's organise lunch soon, sorry i've been as busy as 10 men lately. 8-)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on September 26, 2012, 10:56:14 AM
I picked up the finished rear end, it is in the back of my wagon which is at the radiator place....because of the holed radiator....why no fix meself?...........hmmmmmmm, that car is transport and my spare time is better spent on other things...

So many people don't get that.  "Dude, you work on cars, why don't you just fix it yourself?"

I've been busy working on the race car for years, but I'll gladly pay somebody else to change the oil on the Dodge. 

Why?

Because I've been busy working on the race car for years!
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: manta22 on September 26, 2012, 11:30:58 AM
"...you work on cars, why don't you just fix it yourself?"

A familiar refrain. I hate working on production stuff; race cars and airplanes are designed to be taken apart frequently. Factory stuff is a PITA.

I heard similar questions when I was working as an electronic engineer "Hey Neil, you know something about electronics-- how about taking a look at my TV?" For that very reason I avoided learning anything about TV.

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on September 26, 2012, 05:15:40 PM
"...you work on cars, why don't you just fix it yourself?"

A familiar refrain. I hate working on production stuff; race cars and airplanes are designed to be taken apart frequently. Factory stuff is a PITA.

I heard similar questions when I was working as an electronic engineer "Hey Neil, you know something about electronics-- how about taking a look at my TV?" For that very reason I avoided learning anything about TV.

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ



I reckon everybody here has a few skills they deliberately don't learn....then there are the skills you never admit to.....

yeah Benny lunch, maybe tomorrow.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on October 02, 2012, 11:26:50 PM
Made a start Sunday. I'd got the refurbished rear end back from Hugo at "Hugo's Race Glides" , it has the 2.56:1 ten bolt Torsen centre in it and the necessary bits to swap in the 2.41 when we need it. With a mixture of dragging, slogging and other non-conventional heavy object moving techniques I got it out of the back of the wagon, down the drive-way, past the ute.... and into the shed. First job was to get the frame off the rotisserie at the back so the rear superstructure could be re-attached.

I got the frame supported and then got the rear up onto the axle stands....then the frame, with a little encouragement fell off ......I was well out of the way, nothing got hurt.

So, I sorted that out and started to get the two pieces aligned, as I turned the whole thing one of the tags that hold the brake line on the back of the axle tube caught the top of the axle stand.......and the whole thing fell. This was a different deal, it happened really fast and I was right there , it missed both my feet by inches........

Monday night I got into it again, I'd managed to capture the hoist chain around the frame before I bolted it up,genius, so that came almost all the way off again. I had a bit of a beergineer of how I am going to set the steering up, never really been happy with the arrangement we had. After seeing Andy Welker's neat arrangement I thought that it might be the way I proceed, a couple of heims and a shaft splined at the right length.

Last night I welded in two new members to the cage, just tube gussets really in the side windows.Then I did a bit of housework....I dunno where all that crap comes from but I think my shed has some mysterious force that draws it in.....there I was with a dust pan full of dust and grit, swarf and other detritus when I bumped my elbow and emptied a cup or so into the cockpit, bewdy, it seems that part of the car caught the disease that the shed has.......its impossible to keep clean......

I'll get some photos up soon, can't upload em at work....... have fun at WOS peeps. :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: 
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: bucketlist on October 03, 2012, 10:34:49 PM

"...you work on cars, why don't you just fix it yourself?"


Work is that which one is obliged to do. Recreation is that which one is not obliged to do.

Otherwise few of us would be busting knuckles on these infernal race cars.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on October 04, 2012, 06:55:17 PM
So I'm sitting at my girlfriends holiday house at place called Venus Bay
Really nice place if it wasn't for the weather and the school holidays
Catching up on some reading.
I'm reading 'how to build big inch chevy small blocks'
He makes some interesting points about stock roller lifters
being heavy causing valve problems similar to what we have
going on.
Then I get to the oil lubrication system chapter.....
I've started to notice that my friends roll their eyes and fidget
nervously when I get started on pumps and cavitation.
Any way, back to the lubrication system chapter
Paragraph 2 " oil is stored in the pan and squeezed between
two gears to create both pressure and volume."
Anybody???

G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Jon on October 04, 2012, 07:42:37 PM
You thinking of running a rev kit Grumm?
Springs acting directly on the roller lifters keeps the lifter under control without giving the valve, rocket and pushrod more grief.

I've been running my oil pumps backwards, I always thought the oil went around the outside of the gears.
jon
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on October 04, 2012, 10:22:46 PM
You've heard "the water goes down the drain the other way" thing, well, it's an American book.
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on October 05, 2012, 12:24:00 AM
You thinking of running a rev kit Grumm?
Springs acting directly on the roller lifters keeps the lifter under control without giving the valve, rocket and pushrod more grief.

I've been running my oil pumps backwards, I always thought the oil went around the outside of the gears.
jon


yeah I know the "T" is next to the "R" and you've got fat thumbs and a fart-fone....but you said rocket :-D :-D :-D

yes, he is thinking of running a rev kit. The other night on a work away I was talking to a colleague over a couple of beers and he mistakenly asked me how the bellytank was going( he's not a car guy), ya know there's a whole lot to explain to "civvies" about this stuff...... his eyes glazed when I got to valve bounce.......been occupying the old perch in the shed and getting in some valuable staring time and thinking about what to do with the bus. Just got some good news about my salary packaging .....the racing budget just got a wee boost. :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: rgn on October 05, 2012, 05:57:54 AM
Paragraph 2 " oil is stored in the pan and squeezed between
two gears to create both pressure and volume."
Anybody???

Girl friend... holiday house in Venus bay... Thanks for the metaphor G.  
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Jon on October 05, 2012, 02:38:51 PM


yeah I know the "T" is next to the "R" and you've got fat thumbs and a fart-fone....but you said rocket :-D :-D :-D

Just got some good news about my salary packaging .....the racing budget just got a wee boost. :cheers:

Freudian slip caused by discussing your bellytank sorry.  :wink:

Congratulations in the increase in sponsorship. :cheers:
jon
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Frankie7799 on October 06, 2012, 12:03:24 AM
Holy sheet, after on and off reading the last week and half or so, I finally got through this build. I must say it has been quite the entertaining read. A ton of blood, burns, sweat and tears and a whole lot of determination, perseverance and fortitude you boys have shown all these years. I hope that if the Salt Gods are good you guys can make Speedweek Aus. 2013 and maybe Grumm and Dr Goggles can make another trip to Bendover. Im hoping to maybe tag along with Sparky up there next year as itll be my trip to the Salt. Looking foward to reading more from guys. Now it looks like I have to finish MM's build diary.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: wobblywalrus on October 06, 2012, 02:31:48 AM
Cars are not anything I know a lot about but it seems you'all are on the right track.

 
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on October 06, 2012, 09:46:36 AM
it all begins with a curiosity, that evolves:

much like the 9 stages of drinking---but it is the dream stage that is a MUST
Until it is an evolving dream that will not go away---nothing happens
 Here's to DREAM TIME   :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: {with styled hair--- read hair dryers} lol
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on October 07, 2012, 05:19:11 PM
I still can't believe it

Quote
Paragraph 2 " oil is stored in the pan and squeezed between two gears to create both pressure and volume."

G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on October 07, 2012, 08:56:01 PM
 OK I can't see any fins poking out of the water so i'm in......

Paragraph 2 " oil is stored in the pan and squeezed between two gears to create both pressure and volume."
G

Has this got something to do with PVT....and pressure and volume being inversely related?

After last weeks prattle about not working on "production stuff" I strode bravely into the weekend.....and spent six hours working on the clutch mechanism in a 72 VW. If I'd spent six hours on MY car I probably could have saved $200 on the radiator refit, but no, I'll save that time for squeezing myself into a sardine can working on a crazy cable set-up, in a car I don't drive and fear being a passenger in.

After that was done I was left alone to work on the bellytank, which as far as this thread is concerned is the main game.I made preparations for getting the rotisserie out of the shed, while it is a great thing to have the car mounted on there is little I can do with the front end of the car because so many parts are attached or related to the axle/steering/pedal arrangement and they need the axle fitted properly.  I hoisted the frame  and took out the huge H section that supports each end of the rotisserie, that made it a heap safer and more pleasant getting around in the shed.I refitted the front axle. I remade the thick rubber pads that are sandwiched between the perches and the axle mounts. Once I'd mounted it I thought , "I'll just measure that up"and took a tape from the front radius rod mount to the rear axle tube........2925mm right..... 2937 left???????????. I took the perches off, and cleaned them up a little as they were some of the bits that got left behind when the blasting was done.... then I noticed they were not quite identical, so I reversed them, I put it all back together and did it up tight .......2930mm right, 2931mm left ...near enough for shedgineering.

I scoped out the second new set of bars for the top of the cab, I'm going to make them but I'll leave them out until the last minute as they are going to make doing any other work in the cab difficult once they are in.

I had a long stare at the steering shaft arrangement, and then I had a bit of a think about making more internal cladding for the cab.

Feelin good about this thing...... :cheers:

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Freud on October 07, 2012, 09:02:23 PM
I hope you can survive if you ever get a beer with a twist top and it's a left hand thread..........

FREUD
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on October 07, 2012, 09:25:58 PM
I hope you can survive if you ever get a beer with a twist top and it's a left hand thread..........

FREUD

Pa, where there is a will there is a way.........I'm ill-willed and way-ward.....is that enough???

It's 11am here , Monday morning and I obviously didn't drink enough on the weekend because as soon as i saw "Twist-top" I thought ...."hmmmmm, wouldn't mind a beer"...... :cheers:

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Glen on October 07, 2012, 10:19:42 PM
Freud, don't forget they are up side down as well, may still twist it the wrong way :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on October 07, 2012, 10:44:21 PM
Freud, don't forget they are up side down as well, may still twist it the wrong way :cheers:

˙˙˙˙˙˙˙ʎɐʍ ǝɥʇ ʎq sɹǝǝɥɔ 'ɥʇnoɯ ʎɯ ɹǝʌo ʎןʇɔǝɹıp ɹǝǝq ʎɹǝʌǝ ǝuǝdo ı ןןǝʍ sɐ ʇsnظ s,ʇı ʇɐɥʇ uʍop ǝpısdn 'pɐǝɹɥʇ puɐɥ ʇɟǝן ɐ ɥʇıʍ ,uıɹnbıɟ ɯ,ı 'ʍou '¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿sıɥʇ pɐǝɹ noʎ uɐɔ 'uuǝןb ʎǝɥ
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Freud on October 08, 2012, 12:07:17 AM

I've met my match but if it burns long enough for me to unzip I’ll put him out.

G'Pa FERD
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on October 08, 2012, 12:36:57 AM
Careful with that zip there Pa, they've been known to smart..........I think it's called a Circum-zip-sion.

Is it raining? :?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: rgn on October 08, 2012, 05:15:23 AM
I still can't believe it

Quote
Paragraph 2 " oil is stored in the pan and squeezed between two gears to create both pressure and volume."

G


pressure yes... volume?  I much prefer it when my mind is in the gutter though... :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on October 14, 2012, 05:55:16 PM
Got some more bars for the cab sorted out on the weekend but spent most of the time working on a fender for a friend....welded in a gill vent, did a little rust repair , welded up an aerial hole and some badge holes ....oh and I almost forgot.....I took a huge chunk out of the back of my right index finger with the back of a new flap disc.......and scored a beaut blood blister.When asked how much the job was going to cost him I told my friend ,"when we are putting the bellytank back together I own you for two days"....I used to work in a bike workshop with him and he's real good on the tools.....
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on October 14, 2012, 11:37:02 PM
It’s kind of nice having an indentured servant in the wings.  I worked a similar deal with my electromusical buddy Tim today, but in reverse.  The engine is out of the Midget, but now I’ve got to trailer up and haul his vintage Neve console and plate reverb out of storage . . . into his flat.

Grummy – it won’t break 200 without an engine . . .
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on October 15, 2012, 01:23:58 AM
I wish I had a buddy with a Nieve console in his flat, FMD and a plate reverb :-o. I had someone hassling me to build a plate recently "you can weld can't ya?"....I thought there are a whole bunch of reasons that this could go badly, the least attractive of all was the possibility it got used a lot, and then someone who knew what they were talking about deemed it to sound like shit.....
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on October 15, 2012, 04:01:00 AM

Grummy – it won’t break 200 without an engine . . .


I'll pack it up and send it over to you
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on October 15, 2012, 11:03:41 AM
I'll pack it up and send it over to you
G

Given the near catastrophes and dodged bullets I've encountered with my donk, it might be a tad safer in Preston.

I could try to hunt down a Menard Indy engine for you - probably bolt right up.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on October 21, 2012, 07:17:12 AM
moving right along
I changed the layshaft and third gear in the gearbox today in order to get a closer 3 to 4 ratio
so two gears and 118 needle rollers later, I got it all back together
now first gear, which is the gear on the input shaft, makes a clunking noise when you turn it
l'm guessing that the gear tooth angle is i tiny bit different
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: wobblywalrus on October 21, 2012, 10:05:19 PM
A way to check it is to put machinist dye on the gear teeth, let it dry, put a dab of toothpaste on the gear teeth, reassemble it, and spin for about 20 seconds.  Then take it apart and look at the contact patches on the gear teeth.  The dye should be worn off midway up on the teeth.

   
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on October 21, 2012, 10:12:54 PM
It looks like the gear on the input shaft is different for the
close ratio gear set. Goggles is on to it.
In other news, I bought the little ducati
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on October 21, 2012, 10:43:03 PM
Hmmmmmmm yes. I spoke to the guy I bought the cluster from who had supplied me with "everything you need" to make the M21 change, he told me that his business had burnt down and that he didn't have a reference book anymore. I bought the input shaft, $159 ( that's about $10,000US) .....so thinking about it I'm pretty sure that we have just passed the $1500 mark on this gearbox, it was a very long and slow climb before the price of these gearboxes finally dragged itself past their scrap weight value............ Looking at it from another angle though most of that money went into making the rear plate and or buying new parts.....if I'd bought a factory M21 and rebuilt it we'd have spent as much.....


Good to see you bought that Ducati, you definitely needed that. :roll:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on October 22, 2012, 03:45:55 AM
You can never have too many................ Oh, never mind.  :roll: On that note, I think I just sold the Green '35 Fordor that was parked next to the shop. There wasn't a chance in a cheeseburger that I'd ever get to it. I also thawed out one of the Ribeyes that was left over from after Speedweek. Yum. Thanx Grumm.  :cheers: Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: rgn on October 22, 2012, 03:56:57 AM
I just sold the Green '35 Fordor that was parked next to the shop.

Was it yours?   :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Freud on October 22, 2012, 12:03:18 PM
Possession is the most important part in any transaction.

FREUD
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on October 22, 2012, 12:17:29 PM
Details, details.  :roll: Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on October 22, 2012, 05:24:00 PM
Funny that , Possession is called receiving stolen goods in this country.
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on October 23, 2012, 06:13:40 AM
It looks like the gear on the input shaft is different for the
close ratio gear set. Goggles is on to it.
G

Yes, Goggles is onto it.

As I walked into the foyer of our office at a lazy 9.15 the CEO was carrying a box toward me and she said,

"Oh, here, this for you"

It was the input shaft, I went to my hidey hole and opened it up, it looked too long.........
Of course!... there are different 6 and 8 cylinder versions, the input shaft for the V8 version is longer, other than that, they are identical.The 6 cylinder M21 version was a homologation part for the XU1 Torana which had a triple carb 202 straight six and won the 1972 Bathurst 500 mile race for production vehicles against the Ford 351 GT Falcons.

So I've got the wrong bit. In the end I spoke to the owner of the business( no, not the joint that burned down but his supplier) who knew the whole gig and could quote all the parts numbers...."just tell me why you're using one of these?"....so I explain it's an easy box to shorten, it's a salt car, no big torque loads and less than 400hp blah blah...."so where do you race"?...in the end  it turned out he knew the car from the mag article I wrote a few years back about it...." the red and white thing?....yeah I love that"

still haven't sorted out the gearbox yet.

hey Colonel the cluster should have a part number ending in 497, the third gear should be 492, check 'em....I'll get the input. :roll:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: rgn on October 23, 2012, 06:51:10 AM
Possession is called receiving stolen goods in this country
I guess it is too bad if you owned them before hand?   :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on October 27, 2012, 09:42:57 AM
Quote

I could try to hunt down a Menard Indy engine for you - probably bolt right up.


errr... really? I just looked it up and as a rev limited 10 000rpm  buick 6 it could indeed just bolt up and blast us into history.
I can't imagine there is much use for them these days... how much do you reckon?

rH+
Title: Pendine Sands Report
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on October 27, 2012, 10:11:40 AM
Hey all, a report from sunny (ahem) UK.

For those who missed it, The good Lady Hedgash, junior and myself are now living on campus at the University of Nottingham where I have joined the world of practical academia. By practical I mean we get to make stuff and we have some pretty cool tools to do this with. Think 6 axis routers, 3D printers and industrial laser cutters. Rolls Royce uses one of our machines to do some structural refining on part prototypes.

That said I also have a bunch of talented students to come up with some ideas to. I have set the task of designing a new Landspeed Museum for my class this year and so as part of our research I organised a bus trip to Pendine Sands, the UK home of landspeed racing.

Basically this beach, located in southern wales was chosen because the cars were getting to fast for Brooklands and local tracks and they needed somewhere longer and straighter. PS is about 9 miles long and straight and what I didn't realise until I got there is that it is also very very wide when the tide goes out. Unlike many UK beaches it has a good firm sand and not pebbles so it forms a good surface. The place was known about due to TT bike races carried out on the sand.

Malcolm Campbell broke world records there amongst other big names but it pretty much stopped around 1928 when J.G. Parry-Thomas crashed and died there. (Chain drive failed partially decapitating him...) Partly out of respect and partly because it felt unsafe Campbell started to look elsewhere for his attempts which of course saw him head to Daytona in the US.

The beach is used until this day though for driving events, for example Don Wales recently broke the UK electric landspeed record here and he is the grandson of Sir Malcolm Campbell. I have been in contact with him and hopefully he will be able to give our students a talk. Top Gear also have used the beach for a number of episodes and the bikes still come to race. Other than that it is a sleepy Welsh seaside village with Holiday park and firing range. (We could not go down the beach until the flags were removed on our visit due to live firing exercises).

There is an existing Museum of Speed there which was closed due to winter but I had the chap who runs it come down and talk to us about the place. Nice Guy.

Next field trip for my students is to go to Beaulieu Motor Museum in Southampton. This is the home of some of the greatest landspeed cars in the world; a couple of Bluebirds, Goldenrod, the Slug and others. I can't wait. I have so far had the students research the mudflap out of Landspeed racing, the times, and who and what and so have had a great boost in my own knowledge of the history of it all.

Enjoying the UK, missing working on the tank.

Reverend Hedgash
Title: Re: Pendine Sands Report
Post by: TrickyDicky on October 27, 2012, 11:10:46 AM


Next field trip for my students is to go to Beaulieu Motor Museum in Southampton. This is the home of some of the greatest landspeed cars in the world; a couple of Bluebirds, Goldenrod, the Slug and others. I can't wait. I have so far had the students research the mudflap out of Landspeed racing, the times, and who and what and so have had a great boost in my own knowledge of the history of it all.

Enjoying the UK, missing working on the tank.

Reverend Hedgash

Golden Arrow?

Yes, I am a pedant.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Malcolm UK on October 27, 2012, 02:17:19 PM
Send me a PM as I am just along the road from Nottingham - maybe we can meet up. The Speed Record Club has members across this country as well as the World.

The next speed event in the UK is the water speed records week at Coniston in the lake district - 5th to 9th November. The aquatic speedweek - unless it has rained at Bonneville.

The record cars on show at the moment at The Heritage Collection at Gaydon include the MG endurance and mile class racers, the JCB Dieselmax and the British steam car, as well as a Rover Metro and Rover 220 - both British class record holders.

Elvington Airfield near York has probably hosted more UK records than Pendine but its just a runway and is not open to the public. There is a an air museum alongside the airfield.

Brooklands in Surrey is now a museum site and there you can stand (if fit) on some of the remaining banking used by the early record breakers - Victor Hemery, L G Hornsted, Malcolm Campbell, John Cobb, Kenelm Lee Guiness amongst them.

Malcolm UK, Derby, England
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on October 27, 2012, 03:53:31 PM
The record cars on show at the moment at The Heritage Collection at Gaydon include the MG endurance and mile class racers,

Rev, you per chance don't have a camera, do you?  :-D

I wouldn't want to sully your fine build diary with images of what your team mates refer to as "Pommy Cars", but there is certainly room on the Milwaukee Midget diary, if you were to need a place to dispose of such photos . . .

 :cheers:

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: thefrenchowl on October 27, 2012, 04:00:44 PM
Hi, Pendine Sands... Stopped there a few times while dreaming of going to Bonneville!!!...

An early record car there, twenties?

(http://www.stilltimecollection.co.uk/gallery/Misc/aan003.jpg)

Plenty of bike racing there as well in the good old days... Freddie Dixon and his Douglas flat twin:

(http://www.stilltimecollection.co.uk/gallery/Bike/Bike%205226.jpg)

Patrick

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on October 27, 2012, 04:26:38 PM
Oops, yep Golden Arrow, my mistake.

I think we should definately catch up Malcolm.

Dik
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on October 27, 2012, 04:40:35 PM
I do indeed have a camera and if I get to the display I shall shoot aplenty for you.

dik
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on October 28, 2012, 02:29:19 AM
layshaft  Holden - 3497-A07
3rd gear     Holden 4-06
Input shaft  Holden   923-U-WN  One groove  225 mm long

it's definitly the primary gear as it make the noise with just the primary and the layshaft in and all the other gears out
third gear appears to br the right one
and new gaskets probably wouldn't hurt
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on October 29, 2012, 04:45:12 PM
New gaskets? don't you eat cereal?

I drove down there yesterday and got the correct one, two thirds of the price of the right one, so as they say , ultimately it's cheaper to do it right the first time. The place where I got it was a bit of a time warp, they're not a retail op and I'm pretty sure they don't deal with the public much.... at all.

It was nice of Benny to point out that he'd picked up an M21 for $200, I consoled myself that ours is largely rebuilt, so, how are your seventies going Benny?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on October 29, 2012, 05:06:08 PM
New gaskets? don't you eat cereal?

It was nice of Benny to point out that he'd picked up an M21 for $200, I consoled myself that ours is largely rebuilt, so, how are your seventies going Benny?

No I don't eat cereal, and everyone know that you can't just use any cereal box and that it has to be cornflakes.

I've got a M22 that I paid about $200 for, which is slated for another project

G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on October 29, 2012, 05:13:17 PM
New gaskets? don't you eat cereal?



No I don't eat cereal, and everyone know that you can't just use any cereal box and that it has to be cornflakes.
G
Are you trying to say that Weetabix won't work?  :? Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on October 29, 2012, 05:31:48 PM
weetabix might work, however we don't get that down here
we do get weet-bix, but that's not quite the same, and may leak at the hyphen
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on October 30, 2012, 07:40:31 AM
That, is a very good point. There may be some cereal packets that are printed with raised lettering which may suffice as an "o-ring" on hyphens or for that matter apostrophies.

Now, is the box you're talking about a rock-crusher or a bog-cog Tonner box?

I have also noticed that there are several parts listed for the M21, I can't remember the exact ratio of the third we got but I think it's in the 1.2's, can we count 'em when the box comes apart again I want to do a gear/rev/speed chart.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on October 30, 2012, 10:14:25 AM
If it's getting to the point that you're repurposing cereal containers, I think I'd be tempted to skip breakfast and just order up the gaskets.  :|

On the other hand, if you still have food, you're under budget!  :wink:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on October 31, 2012, 05:34:33 AM

I have also noticed that there are several parts listed for the M21, I can't remember the exact ratio of the third we got but I think it's in the 1.2's, can we count 'em when the box comes apart again I want to do a gear/rev/speed chart.

yep, sure. If you're here to count them
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: rgn on October 31, 2012, 05:47:12 AM
we do get weet-bix, but that's not quite the same, and may leak at the hyphen G

Surely, not if you were to use yambond?
Can I ask a serious question? Thanks :cheers:

Why the 253 and matching old gearbox?  Is it a period or class thing with tanks, or just making what you have or started with go as hard as you can make it go?   :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on October 31, 2012, 06:46:27 AM
In short . It's a series one Commodore V6( which to our US friends is essentially a Buick 231), because they are very short, we used the box because we could shorten it easily. The car, is short.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on October 31, 2012, 05:14:01 PM
In short . It's a series one Commodore V6( which to our US friends is essentially a Buick 231), because they are very short, we used the box because we could shorten it easily. The car, is short.

I thought we used the box because it was free (at the time)

Can't use yamabond on a holden. It's for Yamaha's.
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on October 31, 2012, 05:27:59 PM
 It's 1070mm or 3 ft 6 inches from the firewall to the rear bulkhead in the tank, that's all we have for the motor and box, there are other boxes that we could have used but for all practical purposes there was no comparison,cheap, will handle 400hp, reverse in the extension which is easily removeable :cheers:

Put the kettle on, I'm bringing the input shaft over....
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on November 01, 2012, 11:48:41 PM
Well that fixed it
g

(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc28/grumm441/Ipics003.jpg)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on November 01, 2012, 11:51:40 PM
Holdebond?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on November 02, 2012, 12:11:00 AM
did you count any teeth? no, not on the people who live in your street....no secret that would total zero.... :-D :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on November 02, 2012, 12:13:56 AM
No
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Jon on November 02, 2012, 12:17:40 AM
Dot of white paint on input and output shaft, select a gear and count how many turns of the input to get ten turns on the output shaft.

Bob's you auntie's live in boyfriend.
jon
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on November 02, 2012, 02:16:21 AM
Dot of white paint on input and output shaft, select a gear and count how many turns of the input to get ten turns on the output shaft.


I'll send you my address and you can come around and show me

Quote
Bob's you auntie's live in boyfriend.
jon

And Bob. He's my younger brother, so that's just weird

G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Jon on November 02, 2012, 05:02:01 AM
Didn't know you we're Tasmanian Grumm
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on November 02, 2012, 05:30:35 AM
Dot of white paint on input and output shaft, select a gear and count how many turns of the input to get ten turns on the output shaft.
jon

He has the parts out of the box, he can count the teeth.... :roll: and his little brother's name is Robert, get it?

I just had a look on some Holden nerd forums and it seems we've gone from 3.05/2.19/1.51/1 to 2.54/1.83/1.25/1.... It's a good change we've made , it'll help a lot, last time we ran we were putting on 12mph/mile through the last three,  being able to stay in third much longer and yes Grumm having probably half as much power again is going to make a bit of difference.With the rear end ratio change we will have a comparative 1.35:1 compared to the old 1.51 so not a huge leap but every little bit helps......

I got the piece of aluminium I'm using to make the helmet padding support in the top of the cage bent nicely, I have pieces for the sides done, I just need to work out a neat, discrete way to attach it all.Finished coping the last new bit of tube for the top of the cage too. Made a start on the bracketry for the steering column support, stuffed it up, came inside , sat down....had a better idea. Start again tomorrow.

ps. The angle grinder job I did on my finger has just finally closed over, 3 weeks. :oops:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on November 02, 2012, 07:58:17 AM
Did you slip in an extra gear when i wasn't home?
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on November 02, 2012, 08:24:39 AM
Info on the Australian GM boxes from GMH-Torana.com...make up your own mind ...

3.05/2.19/1.51/1.00 (Cluster Part No. 2813496) This is the most common version (normally called the M20) & is available with both 6 & V8 front shaft lengths.

2.54/1.83/1.38/1.00 (Cluster Part No. 2813497) This is probably the 2nd most common box & is standard fitment behind 308/5.0 V8s (normally called the M21) & is usually only seen with a V8 length front shaft, although there was a 6-cylinder version homologated as a alternate choice of ratios for the LJ XU-1.

3.74/2.68/1.68/1.00 (Cluster Part No. 2820694) This is the ‘wide ratio’ box (normally called the M22) that is usually only seen in 6-cylinder HQ-WB One-Tonners. It was only ever factory built with a 6-cylinder length front shaft, but since the clutch gear is the same as an M15 3-speed box, you could use an M15 V8 front shaft & make a V8 M22 if you really needed one.

2.54/1.83/1.25/1.00 (Cluster Part No. 2823899) This is the box that is often wrongly referred to as the 6-cylinder M21, when it was actually called the XU-1 M20 (by GM-H). It was standard issue in XU-1s (with a 6-cylinder front shaft, obviously) but the same ratio set was also homologated as an alternate unit for racing for the L34 (with a V8 length front shaft).

2.54/1.65/1.25/1.00 (Cluster Part No. 9939484) This is probably the rarest box of all, as it was only seen as an homologated alternate unit for the LJ XU-1 & the LH L34, with their respective 6-cylinder & V8 length front shafts.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on November 02, 2012, 08:28:31 AM
does it clunk in second? :|
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on November 02, 2012, 11:59:29 AM
What is your target shift RPM? with your new setup???  8500 :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on November 02, 2012, 05:55:22 PM
I checked them and they're all quiet.
I'm just a bit confused about how we get all those ratio changes with the amount of gears you gave me
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on November 02, 2012, 09:12:56 PM
I checked them and they're all quiet.
I'm just a bit confused about how we get all those ratio changes with the amount of gears you gave me
G

Ahhhhhh. now I understand
the gear on the input shaft is a reduction gear to the layshaft.
when you select fourth, it connects the input shaft directly to the output shaft.
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on November 02, 2012, 09:57:08 PM
The peanut that I got the cluster from must have been too busy using both his arms and a mirror trying to pinpoint the exact location of his arse to have had any time to check that what he was telling me was correct because we have the 1.38 third gear mentioned in my post above as the standard V8 ratio set, we wanted the 1.25 which is what he told me we were getting....from June 12 2012

Just ordered an M21 cluster and new third gear. we go from 1.51:1 down to 1.25:1 which means we hit top at 5600 instead of 4700.


so there we go.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Kiwi Paul on November 03, 2012, 02:47:44 PM
Snip, Snip.....Bob`s your Auntie.... :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on November 03, 2012, 03:47:18 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76LbvnoIDkE     :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stan Back on November 03, 2012, 06:13:26 PM
Sparky --

You've done it again.  One of my favorite videos, again.  Don't stop posting it.

Stan
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on November 03, 2012, 10:16:12 PM
Snip, Snip.....Bob`s your Auntie.... :cheers:

no, then he would be my sister
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on November 03, 2012, 10:25:23 PM
When it drops off and I can no longer remember where it was I feel compelled to bring it forward again---maybe I can get 199 to help me with my CRS for awhile   :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on November 03, 2012, 10:28:09 PM
I was having a beer with Nicky del Ray the guitarist in that clip last Sunday and told him that this clip had become popular with the folk here on LSR.com....... I've been putting the bite on Mark for a cut for promotional services but he's a slow payer......most of those peeps there are still playing regular gigs, Nicky was playing yesterday, Tanya Lee is playing today and of course despite his contention in  the song Mark Ferrie is now very famous as the bass player in the Rock-Kwiz band, a TV show shot live here in Melbourne featuring a rock n roll quiz show and live music.....

anyway here's a clip from your back yard, this guy can play guitar......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrU9DrLZwc0

got me buggered how those two guys sitting behind him are still upright after he plays the solo......Eilen's got a crackin voice too
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: manta22 on November 03, 2012, 11:06:34 PM
Arrrggghhh.... audio engineer-- balance the tracks!!!
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on November 03, 2012, 11:11:08 PM
NEAL  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on November 03, 2012, 11:51:30 PM
Arrrggghhh.... audio engineer-- balance the tracks!!!

A line out from the mix desk would have been a better source - we're hearing the camera mic on this one.

If I learned nothing else in my years doing shows behind the console, it's this - the damned electric guitar will always find its way into the mix.  I'd always stick a mic in front of the guitar player's amp, but as often as not, the fader was down.

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on November 04, 2012, 02:02:48 AM
Hey, when we get to 200 pages, do we get a letter from the Queen?
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on November 04, 2012, 02:24:53 AM
Hey, when we get to 200 pages, do we get a letter from the Queen?
G

What, a letter of reprieve?

Clause 29 of the Magna Carta is still in force.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on November 04, 2012, 04:35:01 AM
Arrrggghhh.... audio engineer-- balance the tracks!!!
Chris is right, it's off the camera. You never trust a guitar player who plays with their amp at their feet...unless it's pointing at their head they're always too loud, they may well still be too loud, but it's slightly less likely if it's pointing at them.That guy is too loud, but he's bloody rockin'.There's another issue with not being near the focal point of the amp and that is that you hear a different tone profile, generally it's short on high frequencies and so you overcompensate.He's still rockin. :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on November 04, 2012, 04:38:37 AM
It's all coming back to me
We used to get the Guitarist to point his amp across the stage and at his head
That way there was always someone on stage to tell him to turn it down



Hey, when we get to 200 pages, do we get a letter from the Queen?
G

What, a letter of reprieve?

Clause 29 of the Magna Carta is still in force.


I'm thinking a 200 pages hat

G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: manta22 on November 04, 2012, 11:44:17 AM
Arrrggghhh.... audio engineer-- balance the tracks!!!
Chris is right, it's off the camera. You never trust a guitar player who plays with their amp at their feet...unless it's pointing at their head they're always too loud, they may well still be too loud, but it's slightly less likely if it's pointing at them.That guy is too loud, but he's bloody rockin'.There's another issue with not being near the focal point of the amp and that is that you hear a different tone profile, generally it's short on high frequencies and so you overcompensate.He's still rockin. :cheers:

No criticism intended of the performance-- it was rockin' but it was marred by the poor audio. If it was only the camera mic the engineer gets off blameless.

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ     try this link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReZ8-OpYogI&feature=fvwrel
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on November 04, 2012, 01:22:01 PM
Etta Baker - The pinnacle of Piedmont Picken’.  Thanks for sharing it, Neal!
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on November 05, 2012, 05:52:57 AM
in other news
it looks  like if you are building a motorcycle streamliner you should cut it up and throw it away
the rules have changed
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Moxnix on November 05, 2012, 09:49:59 AM
Our Spirit of Sunshine friends are herewith entitled to at least there own "red letter day," as well as citations for irreverence, incorrigibility, music, travel to the other side of our globe, noteworthy consumption of quality and quantity of drams drunk, and, lets face it, I just wanted to scribble something on your 200th page to denote my utter lack of time slips.

Cheers,
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Freud on November 05, 2012, 11:43:56 AM
Is it true that it doesn't have to be relevant to be on Page 200?

FREUD
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on November 05, 2012, 12:37:33 PM
Is it true that it doesn't have to be relevant to be on Page 200?

FREUD
Not only true but rather obvious.  :cheers: Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stan Back on November 05, 2012, 01:19:34 PM
I'm in.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on November 05, 2012, 04:27:08 PM
Or to quote from the quotes page

.

G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Glen on November 05, 2012, 08:40:32 PM
What the heck, seems like the same people read it and comment on it daily, besides it's a good read. :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Tman on November 05, 2012, 08:53:04 PM
in other news
it looks  like if you are building a motorcycle streamliner you should cut it up and throw it away
the rules have changed
G


Can you expand on this? I know Jon is building a cycle.............
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on November 05, 2012, 10:27:39 PM
Today is Melbourne cup day, a 6 million dollar 2 mile race for stayers.....holiday today, and yesterday....that means  four days in a row, rather than spend some leisure time with my beloved I elected to swap the motor in my ute. It isn't urgent, but being off the road the ute has to be parked in the driveway, when it doesn't run AND i have a motor trans in the way it gets pretty annoying

A friend gave me a motor trans combo the same as what is in it, "bewdy" I thought I won't even have to swap the sump....

After I'd got up and down off the ground three hundred times(yes, doing it in the driveway as a certain bellytank is in the shed) It occurred to me that although it was a "rear" sump that maybe it wasn't the "right" ..."rear" sump.....putting a sump and timing cover gaskets along with a rear main on a Holden "red" straight six is easy on a full dismantle.....with the timing cover on and the motor hanging rather than on an engine stand makes it a sketchy job at the best of times..... that is all I am going to say about that.

Just did a benefit gig outside the Maribyrnong Immigration Detention Centre on a 10 minute call, thanks Dan, did the same on Sunday with twelve hours notice and played "S-s-s-ssingle bed" on the radio.......

Time to go to the pub and have my one punt of the year, to the Organ Failure Lounge at the Brawlbrook Hotel in Braybrook.


BTW: I can't see any logic in the rule change for the bike liners, none.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on November 05, 2012, 11:09:59 PM

After I'd got up and down off the ground three hundred times(yes, doing it in the driveway as a certain bellytank is in the shed) It occurred to me that although it was a "rear" sump that maybe it wasn't the "right" ..."rear" sump.....putting a sump and timing cover gaskets along with a rear main on a Holden "red" straight six is easy on a full dismantle.....with the timing cover on and the motor hanging rather than on an engine stand makes it a sketchy job at the best of times..... that is all I am going to say about that.


It’s the jobs like that – the ones that circumstances require you to do in the most compromised manner – that drive me up a wall.  And yet, the tasks need to be accomplished.
 
This one falls clearly into that twilight zone – that grey area - that exists between ones ambitions and abilities, and ones common sense.

Can open – worms everywhere – along with what I’m sure are a bunch of inquisitive neighbor kids standing around, wondering what you’re doing.

I once did a starter refit on my first MGB in 6 inches of snow in the parking lot of the apartment I lived in.  I’d been riding the bike up until the day before – the snow caught many of us by surprise.  No jack stands, inadequate tools, frozen fingers, grime all over the engine and bay.  I went inside to put on a pot of coffee and came out to find the snow plowing service had pushed half the snow in the parking lot directly in front of what the driver thought was an abandoned car.

Enjoy your holiday, mate.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on November 06, 2012, 12:34:20 AM
you guys better watch it are you are going to BLOW right through 200 to 1 to the 2 :-P
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: racergeo on November 06, 2012, 01:22:35 AM
  Rev'd the buggery out of it, nearly blew the engine. Funniest thing I've ever heard in Straliar. Hope it makes page 200 LOL
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: stay`tee on November 06, 2012, 05:50:28 AM


Wonder how the tide is Ross?


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take ya time, its still in, and plenty to come from up there,, :-(
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on November 06, 2012, 04:37:59 PM
in other news
it looks  like if you are building a motorcycle streamliner you should cut it up and throw it away
the rules have changed G
Not only if your building, even if you own one now.
There is no Grandfather clause, so there is no streamliner bikes currently legal.
Yes; I am going to finish my bike.
No; this is not 100% why I've not been doing much.
I will run somewhere.
Wonder how the tide is Ross?
Jon

I didn't send you an email, or mention it on your thread for reasons of diplomacy. You and Ross, and every other owner have every reason to be very annoyed. Has anyone been seriously injured by a structural failure in a liner due to the tubing in a roll cage yielding?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on November 06, 2012, 05:00:25 PM

   
Re: Australian Belly Tank
« Reply #2999 on: November 06, 2012, 09:57:57 PM »
   
Reply with quoteQuote
Quote from: grumm441 on November 05, 2012, 10:52:57 PM
in other news
it looks  like if you are building a motorcycle streamliner you should cut it up and throw it away
the rules have changed
G


Not only if your building, even if you own one now.
There is no Grandfather clause, so there is no streamliner bikes currently legal.

Yes; I am going to finish my bike.
No; this is not 100% why I've not been doing much.
I will run somewhere.

Wonder how the tide is Ross?
Jon

Hi Slim

Can you delete my post 2999 in Goggles's build diary please.

I wasn't thinking and just posted a reply to Grumm's post.
If I want to whine about the SCTA rules committee I should have done it in my thread.

Sorry
Jon





...............

I think it should stay there. I don't, as I said, agree with this rule change specifically and I certainly don't agree with the absolute nature of it's enactment.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: generatorshovel on November 06, 2012, 05:05:40 PM
Link !
I can't find the rule change mentioned anywhere other than here ?
I can't find my glasses either  :?
Tiny
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Peter Jack on November 06, 2012, 05:07:17 PM
What's the rule change that's causing all the consternation?

Pete
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on November 06, 2012, 05:14:10 PM
What's the rule change that's causing all the consternation?

Pete

http://www.dlra.org.au/forum/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=1314&start=270
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Jon on November 06, 2012, 05:45:00 PM
Bit of an update in my build diary.
jon
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: jl222 on November 06, 2012, 07:01:51 PM
in other news
it looks  like if you are building a motorcycle streamliner you should cut it up and throw it away
the rules have changed G
Not only if your building, even if you own one now.
There is no Grandfather clause, so there is no streamliner bikes currently legal.
Yes; I am going to finish my bike.
No; this is not 100% why I've not been doing much.
I will run somewhere.
Wonder how the tide is Ross?
Jon

I didn't send you an email, or mention it on your thread for reasons of diplomacy. You and Ross, and every other owner have every reason to be very annoyed. Has anyone been seriously injured by a structural failure in a liner due to the tubing in a roll cage yielding?

  They allow non-streamlined bikes with no rollbars and want to go to 15/8'' for streamliners :?

  Write to the SCTA clubs presidents and have them read or foward the protest to their reps and members.
  Also write to the SCTA where they are supposed to read communications they recieve at the meetings.

                  JL222
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on November 07, 2012, 04:30:03 PM
Quote

I could try to hunt down a Menard Indy engine for you - probably bolt right up.


errr... really? I just looked it up and as a rev limited 10 000rpm  buick 6 it could indeed just bolt up and blast us into history.
I can't imagine there is much use for them these days... how much do you reckon?

rH+

http://www.race-cars.com/engsales/other/1348602323/1348602323ss.htm

I think that price is quite high given the limited possibilities for it.  I'd offer them 6.  Probably be the only bona fide offer they would have received for it.

Ship the car over with the old donk, swap it out in the parking lot of the Nugget, and away you go.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on November 07, 2012, 04:36:14 PM
Quote

I could try to hunt down a Menard Indy engine for you - probably bolt right up.


errr... really? I just looked it up and as a rev limited 10 000rpm  buick 6 it could indeed just bolt up and blast us into history.
I can't imagine there is much use for them these days... how much do you reckon?

rH+

http://www.race-cars.com/engsales/other/1348602323/1348602323ss.htm

I think that price is quite high given the limited possibilities for it.  I'd offer them 6.  Probably be the only bona fide offer they would have received for it.

Ship the car over with the old donk, swap it out in the parking lot of the Nugget, and away you go.



That would do it
Now I just need to find some spare cash
I'm currently getting quotes to have my asbestos sheds removed
What some of these guys want to remove this stuff would be a significant down payment on that engine
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on November 07, 2012, 04:46:51 PM
Quote

I could try to hunt down a Menard Indy engine for you - probably bolt right up.


errr... really? I just looked it up and as a rev limited 10 000rpm  buick 6 it could indeed just bolt up and blast us into history.
I can't imagine there is much use for them these days... how much do you reckon?

rH+

http://www.race-cars.com/engsales/other/1348602323/1348602323ss.htm

I think that price is quite high given the limited possibilities for it.  I'd offer them 6.  Probably be the only bona fide offer they would have received for it.

Ship the car over with the old donk, swap it out in the parking lot of the Nugget, and away you go.



That would do it
Now I just need to find some spare cash
I'm currently getting quotes to have my asbestos sheds removed
What some of these guys want to remove this stuff would be a significant down payment on that engine
G

It's only a 5 hour drive. 

Want me to grab a camera and tape measure?

I'd be willing to clean out a corner of the garage until you picked it up/made arrangements.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on November 07, 2012, 07:17:47 PM
No. Until I get a chance to see if I won $28 million
On Tuesday I might give it a miss.
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on November 08, 2012, 11:05:26 PM
950hp@10,000........that'd break EVERYTHING from our clutch all the way to our bank....I like it very much, I can't imagine what driving our car would be like with that in it..........

Now, finally........Messers Walker and Welker the mag is in, the stories are in it.....

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/PB090046.jpg)

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/PB090045.jpg)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on November 09, 2012, 12:20:08 AM
950hp@10,000........that'd break EVERYTHING from our clutch all the way to our bank....I like it very much, I can't imagine what driving our car would be like with that in it..........

Skip the red hat - go for blue.

 :roll:  Has anyone actually ever done that?

I want to say they were running 50 + inches of boost in that thing.  Just dial it back until it doesn't scare you.  :-o

As far as the price - LOW BALL 'EM - the worst they could say is "No".

I can't think of another application where a 15 year old Indy engine would make any sense at all other than LSR.  And screwing it into you're car would be a no-brainer.

Sunshine could RULE THE PLANET! 
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: rgn on November 09, 2012, 02:00:37 AM
Sunshine could RULE THE PLANET!  

Sort of already does with 321,146 views!  If we are talking mph 321.146 kph = 199.551mph.... We need to keep talking folks!
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Freud on November 09, 2012, 11:28:08 AM


Skip the red hat - go for blue.

 Has anyone actually ever done that?


Les Davenport driving the Treit and Davenport blown lakester walked away from 2 records above 290 MPH so he would enter

the record books with a record above 300 MPH and an automatic Blue hat.

FREUD
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Glen on November 09, 2012, 11:43:01 AM
Eric Ritter just ran 339 mph and got both hats in the Vesco 444 liner.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on November 09, 2012, 09:30:28 PM
Didn't Amir Rosenbaum in Spectre get a 300 hat and not qualify for a 200 hat due to Minimums
G
Title: SCTA current rule book
Post by: Dr Goggles on November 17, 2012, 06:23:22 PM
Hi all,

there was a posting on the DLRA board recently and the poster stated " I believe it is illegal to fair the parachute into the body" he was talking about his plans to build a bellytank....... he quoted  4.cc.5 on page 32......I don't have a current rule book here, any comments?

Our chute is very much "faired into the body", wouldn't mind finding out what the root of this impression was ..

Cheers...

yeah, I know get off the internet and get out to the shed :roll:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: salt27 on November 17, 2012, 06:48:15 PM
4.cc.6 Parachute Mounting Tubes:
"Parachute mounting tubes may extend no further than 6 in. behind the rearmost part of the original body and must not be faired into the body.
The maximum length of any side of a tube extending from the body is 12 in.
These dimensions are dependent on specific class rules."

Page 46 2012 book.

     Don
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on November 17, 2012, 07:02:55 PM
4.cc.6 Parachute Mounting Tubes:
"Parachute mounting tubes may extend no further than 6 in. behind the rearmost part of the original body and must not be faired into the body.
The maximum length of any side of a tube extending from the body is 12 in.
These dimensions are dependent on specific class rules."

Page 46 2012 book.

     Don

I think I'd get a clarification on that.  "Original body" is more of a production linguistic form than one typically sees in special construction.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Tman on November 17, 2012, 07:04:58 PM
Yes, that does not apply to Special Construction.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on November 17, 2012, 07:12:41 PM
Thanks guys, it was a noob putting the wind up me, of all the things I don't have the wherewithall for now it is reinventing our parachute arrangement.

On another front I got a call last week , there is a boutique music store here in Melbourne called Pure Pop that has live performances every weekend, next year they are running a "Classic Album: series and I'll be playing with local Monique Brumby when she does Lucinda Williams' Car Wheels album in full......man I can't wait ,twang city!!!!!!
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on November 17, 2012, 07:54:00 PM
On another front I got a call last week , there is a boutique music store here in Melbourne called Pure Pop that has live performances every weekend, next year they are running a "Classic Album: series and I'll be playing with local Monique Brumby when she does Lucinda Williams' Car Wheels album in full......man I can't wait ,twang city!!!!!!

A stunning album - a classic the day it hit the racks.

There's a fellow named Bo Ramsey - a former Iowa guy - playing slide on that album.  He's had a solid career, I've seen his band a dozen times back in the early 1980's (Bo Ramsey and the Sliders).  Every time I've watched him play, I felt like I'd been taken to school. 

Car Wheels is Lucinda's Exile.

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on November 17, 2012, 10:05:45 PM
At some point last year a steel player I used to play with who takes great delight in taking the mickey out of me sent me a video link of Lucinda doing Austin City Limits, he was having a great ol laugh " hahahahah look at the guitarist , it's you!!!"...his name is Kenny Vaughn......so I was at my bass playing galfriend Alic's house( she's who I do every thing musical with including her having got me in on this one), they put the DVD on, we just started laughing straight up and for the next our or so the two of them complimented me after every single thing he played......

I can't wait, it's a hot little band that i'll be sitting in with.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on November 18, 2012, 01:59:28 AM
Whoa, AL Fountains tank for sale..............

http://www.dlra.org.au/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2046&p=19485#p19485
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on November 18, 2012, 09:06:06 AM
That is a nice looking traditional tank!!!! :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Tman on November 18, 2012, 10:51:01 AM
That is a nice looking traditional tank!!!! :cheers:

I agreee, very sharp.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on November 18, 2012, 03:45:36 PM
That is a nice looking traditional tank!!!! :cheers:

You're not going to let that rest are ya Bill,

Indeed, It does that  get an auxillary fuel tank and build a car in it very well.

Al is a very accomplished hot rod builder who has built some really solid, and oddball stuff. He bought an Avanti in the US a few years back which I guess will be why he's passing this on.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on November 24, 2012, 04:07:40 AM
Spent the day in the shed today, was a warm day and 3am is not a sensible time to go to bed if you are incapable of sleeping past 6.45am( that was when the bell went off in the boarding house, I was there for five years, thirty years ago :roll:)...anyway Simon the photographer was in town last night so we went and had a feed of Vietnamese,no Wayno Vietnamese food, we still aren't allowed to eat people here wherever they come from......and visited some friends of mine......

I spent most of the time on housekeeping, made another bottle trolley for the Oxy/acetylene bottles and cleaned up the shed. Obviously I had more important things to do however everytime I thought about how to finish the new steering column arrangement I easily found something I could do that didn't need me to think...In the end I had to face the music, and after all the circle work I'd done over it the end came reasonably quickly. After tacking everything in place I went and pulled the new 3/20 suit out, put on the helmet and donned the Pro-Rage head restrainty thingy that Jon ( whos building the bike liner) has lent me to try for size. I'll say this. I wish Speedweek was in the middle of winter, the new suit makes the old one feel like a pair of silk pyjamas, it is um , flippin hot and quite inflexible. So I got in the car, the steering wheel was spot on...( this is of course after I got over the minor winding I got contorting myself to get in)....I realised that I now need to slide as far forward as possible inj order to get in......... as I keep saying when we started buidling the car I was 159llbs, now I am( well, right at this moment, it'll no doubt be more this time tomorrow at this rate) 196lbs.... so getting in the car is harder than it used to be. I can still get out of it like a jack-in-the-box in about 8seconds. I was sweating like a pig but the good news is, my new set up for the steering column just needs to be finish welded and it feels great compared to the mongrel arrangement we had., I can get in and out fully suited in the 3/20 with the HANS sort of thing on....

 I've got a lot to do.........
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on November 24, 2012, 10:29:23 AM
Considering 19% more Gogs, a full body quilt and a Hans weren't design parameters, congratulations!

Steer clear of the desserts before you go to the desert.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on November 24, 2012, 09:52:51 PM
Dr. G---I love trads.---I also need to loose 25 to make the getting in and out easier---I also have spent the last  few hrs noodling I can only hope that mine goes together as well!!
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on November 25, 2012, 04:14:56 AM
lose 20?¿?
I need to lose 20 as well. 20 kgs. That's about 44 lbs. if by some crazy turn of fate Goggs gets me into the car
oh, and change the clutch pedal so that I can push f ing thing in
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Jon on November 25, 2012, 05:06:35 AM
Sounding promising Grumm ;)

I recon he knows someone that could help with the clutch, I think he does the motor work for him.

Colonel someone......

jon
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on November 25, 2012, 05:13:42 AM
Colonel something
sounds like some sort of knob
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Jon on November 25, 2012, 01:40:09 PM
So Bob and Knob are brothers, this is confusing..

jon
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on November 25, 2012, 04:04:17 PM
Jeez you're a sook.

Is that why you want a hydraulic throw-out? . . . . .turn up with a fire suit and we'll make sure you can press the clutch pedal in. Trust me they are mere trifles when you're sitting on the line, after you've had a run I'll say "how did the clutch go ?" . . .  and you'll just stare at me with a weird glazed look on your face and say "huh?"

If that's the best reason you can come up with for not driving it you've got some big surprises ahead of you.......wait till you get some grey out, that'll refocus your priorities. :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on November 26, 2012, 02:43:12 AM


G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on November 26, 2012, 08:45:35 PM
G
\

even for the driest, conundrumatic wisester that has ever quipped across the face of this build diary and indeed forum ,that was really something.


Last night I continued with the housework. Having changed the steering column arrangement there are a few little changes to be made to the placement and fixation of the brake pedal assembly and the steering box.I have also been cleaning up some of the bits and pieces involved.....

I stripped and honed the clutch master and gave it a shot of paint, and have finally sorted out a way of indexing where the steering box locates. The steering box is from a Kombi and clamps around the axle, it needs to positively locate as any movement obviously affects the toe in/out, in removing it for whatever reason means the alignment has to be redone, I have finally worked out a practical way of doing that.

Onward landspeed soldiers............
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Glen on November 26, 2012, 09:00:15 PM
Hey, Dr. G just made # 2000 post, congrats Dr.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on November 27, 2012, 05:40:06 AM
Thanks Glen, this place has been a real savior for me and you are one of the mainstays it means a lot . To everyone else, sorry, I could have said the same in 200.

Today I went to Race Brakes, a local business who do , um, brakes and stuff....I went there for some brake unions and a piece of 1/4" tube, I left with a fistful of fittings, a piece of 1/4"tube and four feet of braided hose......crikey mate we're getting a bit flash here. :roll: :roll:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Kiwi Paul on November 28, 2012, 12:20:10 AM
Hey Doc---post your Kombi box location Tech, would you? I have the same setup on the Stillborn Special....I`ll need to address it, probably sooner rather than later.... :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on November 28, 2012, 12:44:38 AM
Hey Doc---post your Kombi box location Tech, would you? I have the same setup on the Stillborn Special....I`ll need to address it, probably sooner rather than later.... :mrgreen:

Hey Paul, the issue for us is that EVERYTHING is jammed in together at the pointy end of the car and if for some reason we need to get in there it all has to do the hokey cokey...........with that long pitman it only has to move a degree or so to flick everything up.
I'm going to weld a "biscuit" of 5mm plate to the axle tube that the top cast section of the box will rest against ,I had considered welding an eyelet there that the front bolt would go through but am addicted the K.I.S.S principle.

Reinforced my feeling that I am a genius last night. I was sitting there doing some intense R&D.....well ,staring at it, when it occurred to me that there were about three better routes for the clutch line than the tortuous one it used to take..all shorter, all better hidden....seriously ,sometimes  :roll: :roll:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on November 28, 2012, 02:29:52 AM
Yep. Genius.
And it's not a kombi box.
It's just a steering box off a torsion bar front end vw
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on November 28, 2012, 05:35:52 AM
well I never, I'm even more of a DH than even I thought :|

On a positive note I'm sitting right in front of it as we speak devoting all of my brain power to it,the light is burning, not terribly brightly but it's burning and the prospect of getting the car sorted in time for Gairdner seems remote now which is way better than impossible which I was afraid to admit a few weeks back, next week it may well improve again to unlikely.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on November 28, 2012, 06:02:39 AM
As LtCG (Larry the cable guy) says  "Gitter done"!!!
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on November 28, 2012, 07:16:14 AM
Bill, you get up too early, or you go to bed too late, either way thanks for the encouragement, It is going to look a lot neater than it has before on the inside...you may notice there's plenty of shots of the outside and ......not many of the inside :roll:..the new head restraint stuff will change it a bit, the new steering column looks good, the change to the hydraulic lines will be a big improve and the paint will be better on it all, so yeah that takes care of the important stuff.....
Title: World speed sailing record.
Post by: Dr Goggles on November 29, 2012, 02:19:41 AM
The important stuff, is going fast. This guy is a friend of a friend, I got a real buzz watching this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pipGWQmerEQ&feature=share
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Peter Jack on November 29, 2012, 03:11:20 AM
That's seriously exciting stuff!!!  :-D :-D

Pete
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Jon on November 29, 2012, 03:58:00 AM
That is very cool, faster than you can legally drive a car, on water with no motor.


Unlike the speed record train thread that  got derailed this should be plain sailing.
jon
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on November 29, 2012, 06:56:02 AM
That is very cool, faster than you can legally drive a car, on water with no motor.

60. That's in Australia only. a country the same size as the USA with ten percent of the population and the fastest
you can go legally is 60

Quote
Unlike the speed record train thread that  got derailed this should be plain sailing.
jon

oh no, here we go again
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: rgn on November 29, 2012, 07:46:35 AM
Very nice yacht, amazes me how far peoples brains will stretch,  Seriously wonderful to watch in full flight, I wonder what tubing size they are using?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Malcolm UK on November 29, 2012, 07:54:32 AM
Yachts use 'plastic', which I understand worries those enforcing regulations in the sport that we are mostly close to.

Malcolm 
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on November 29, 2012, 08:26:39 AM
there is something seriously exhilarating when you are sailing something quick, and I reckon I wouldn't have ever been much over 15knots, but when a gust hits it's like , wow!....that would have been insane , and to be sure pretty dangerous too if he came unstuck, probably as dangerous or more as 150+ on the salt . My father in law used to race ocean going power boats and he ain't the same after two crashes in the 70knot region.....you tend to stop pretty quickly.

Hey Jon, you have used one regenerable ABT thread pun token, you may only hold one at a time,they are regenerated on each new page.....they are interchangeable with the dad joke tokens, due to an obvious misunderstanding we'll allow your transgression this time :roll:

Hey Colonel, are you gonna tell 'em or am I? ...or do we sit around and wait for the Reverend to do it...it's killing me :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Tman on November 29, 2012, 11:01:05 AM
Spill the beans boys.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on November 29, 2012, 03:43:15 PM
COOL BOAT  :-o  maybe you guys need have them show up for the races at Gairdner for a speed run... that might guarantee that it is dry for y'all

Jon... clear sailing

Whatcha hiding Doc
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on November 29, 2012, 05:10:01 PM

Let the Rev tell em
I wonder if will float, after all it is made of wood
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on November 29, 2012, 10:53:06 PM

Let the Rev tell em
I wonder if will float, after all it is made of wood
G

Headgash bought a Morgan?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on November 29, 2012, 11:20:58 PM
if only........................................
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on November 30, 2012, 06:27:04 AM

Let the Rev tell em
I wonder if will float, after all it is made of wood
G

Headgash bought a Morgan?

bah hah hah
G
Title: Re: World speed sailing record.
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on December 01, 2012, 02:27:44 AM
The important stuff, is going fast. This guy is a friend of a friend, I got a real buzz watching this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pipGWQmerEQ&feature=share

Lake Gairdner?

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on December 01, 2012, 06:17:33 AM
Chris could help him out with an engine
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on December 01, 2012, 08:58:18 AM
Chris could help him out with an engine
G

I keep offering to send one back with you guys.  They fit in the overhead.

If the Rev is shopping cars in Britain, have him keep an eye open for a Marina Ute.  I/PMP beckons.

Hey, Colonel, speaking of engines, what's up at the Preston Development Skunkworks?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on December 01, 2012, 06:24:58 PM
Well. there's not much going on in the asbestos sheds , because two came along and removed them
In the tin shed (9' x 9') I am looking at a rev kit I have for a chev to see if it will fit in little Buick, and there is the question also of what to do with the wiring loom to make it more simple
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on December 04, 2012, 09:17:32 AM
Ok, I have done it. I have really done it now.

I have bought this as a family car for our UK sojourn. With insurance only £190 for comprehensive for both of us driving it made so much more sense than the £1000+ insurance we were quoted for anything else. Also I can fix it myself, it's a station wagon, and there is no road tax!

1968 Traveller. some issues here and there but it is on the road with an MOT. I'll be using it as a rolling "resto" as I replace bits as they turn up on ebay and learn to weld... Bit of woodwork required but that was my schtick before Dr Goggles showed me the beauty of the hot metal glue gun.

Planning to get rid of the crossplies as soon as possible with some wider van wheels and radials, and chuck in an anti roll bar kit. I'll consider a brake upgrade in time.

As for colour I am tempted to go some kind of surf woodie theme and use the $50 roller paint method using rustoleum that I keep reading about and fill the rear panels in with timber panel as well (or to be exact a timber veneer dipped in phenolic resin so it doesn't rot...). This isn't going to be a trailer queen, I want to do some simple mechanics and mods and have a usable but funky classic everyday vehicle.

revH+

ps added a couple more shots

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on December 04, 2012, 10:10:33 AM
Spacers for the front A-arms, some blocks between the axle and the leafs, a set of Moon discs, stick a couple of surf boards out the back, a gun rack for those trips through the Midlands . . . trips that will now seem somehow longer . . .

I think I've still got an extra dual SU manifold off of a 1275 if you think you'd like to start leaking fuel from two SU's . . .

Okay, enough jokes - it's all upside.  They're very simple to work on and maintain, they are of an easy size to park and maneuver, they're held together with common fasteners you can get at virtually any hardware store - oh, I can't resist this one - or by simply following another one with a broom and a dust pan -

But darn it all, that's one cool lookin' little wagon, and I'm envious.

Keep the rear fenders when you sell it - I seem to recall you needed two more to run SOS as a streamliner.

 :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Frankie7799 on December 04, 2012, 10:30:14 AM
Very cool ride Rev!
Title: Beaulieu National Motor Museum
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on December 04, 2012, 12:08:07 PM
The other thing I have been doing is taking my University architectural students on a field trip to the Beaulieu Motor Museum as part of their research for designing a Landracing museum at Pendine Sands. As I am sure that many of you would like to visit this museum I am going to give a little bit of my mind about its success or lack thereof as a motor museum.

This is on a site which is an old cistertian monastery whose cathedral was dissolved by Henry the VIIth the remains of which became a manor house that is now medieval cross Scottish gothic, so there is a healthy interest in the site already. It is next to one of the most picturesque villages (which was part of the estate) in the UK with thatched roofs and large river. As most of these old estates suffered from inheritance tax killing their viability, they looked for other ways to generate money. Good old Lord Montague (now in his eighties) was a keen racing driver and decided to turn his estate into the premier location for cars and has some of the most famous cars in the country there including the landspeed favorites.

One car I have been wanting to see since I was a kid was of course Campbell's Bluebird, the one that came to oz. They have it. They also have Golden Arrow, the slug and others as well as a Mercedes worth £16million and other extraordinarily rare cars.

It is probably one of the best collections in the world, but I can tell you it is not one of the best museums in the world. The 1970's building is a shocker with natural light falling like a wet curtain over the internal space, leaving dark and dank underbellies lurking. The cars are crammed in with no real exhibition attempts to explain their histories of give some context about who drove them or any of the successful contemporary ideas of museum exhibition design (that I wont go into here).

To see a car is one thing from one angle. Most cars I have seen before on the web or in books. So it would have been nice as the car is actually there in front of you to see something other than what is already printed in the books etc. Why not show the engines by opening the hoods? why not show the underside by the oft use trick of mirrors on the floor? I am told that most of these cars are operational so why not each car have a recording of the engine running so which we could listen through headphones so that we can really experience what they are like alive? So many opportunities missed. The acoustics were poor and the pathway and curatorial arrangement confusing. It is more a case of putting cars where they fit rather than to any kind of relevant sequence or grouping.

They now have a James Bond exhibit which has brought in 15% more customers which when you look at the stats of 2011 having over 300 000 visitors (adult ticket £20) then that is a sizable interest. Lots of Astons, the underwater Lotus, stunt vehicles, even the one that did the driving on two wheels in the US was there. So again a great collection of cars and definitely people interested to see them but an absolutely lazy ill conceived presentation of them. Such a pity. To top things off this is this crazy monorail which runs through the building every 20 minutes or so opening up the building entirely to the weather. Why anyone in their right minds would want to put several hundred million dollars of museum quality artifacts in a space with uncontrolled humidity is beyond me.

The staff though were fantastic, being very generous with their time and full of stories. We met some mechanics who ended up showing the students the workshop where they were restoring one of Campbell's original Bluebirds and we were able to see it in pieces and the undersides and upsides and outsides and the skilled processes that they were able to bring it back to life. Pity the museum exhibits weren't as good, it would be much better to put the mechanics in charge of that, they clearly had the most respect for the cars and their stories. They are not over restoring the Bluebird it either, they painted it by hand in the dusty shed as that is what Campbell did. Mirror shine? forget it. The UK does very well the "enthusiast" as does the US but maybe there is a bit more eccentricity in the UK version; one mechanic delighted showing the students his scar where his flymo recently exploded taking a sizable hunk of his leg with it. He reminded me of the Colonel.

The building could be made better in a number of ways but the simple fix would be to remove about half of the cars to offsite storage. This would give space for each car to be viewed on various angles as well as incorporate all sorts of historical and contextual information. I would then replan where they all are so their are clear identifiable paths of story and work on telling that story with multimedia and images and artifacts of the day. Then I would rotate cars from storage so that it would encourage repeat visits to the museum, maybe even a seasonal display. I would control lighting better, create better floor surfaces for the cars to sit on and be "read". Finally Some boxing up of the spaces are required to control sound (particularly since so many of the visitors are school groups and they are generally very noisy.). I would move the monorail outside the building again and restore some semblance of preservation to the cars within. I would greatly increase storage as well as space for the mechanics to do their work properly. This is really what it is all about isn't it? The celebration of the mechanics' skill? Why compromise what you are meant to celebrate?

There was also a "Top Gear" display which I wont even give the dignity of commenting upon apart from the franchise has long ago lost its mojo and just recycling its past successes only reveals how dead it is today.

One amusing thing about the British is their love of dogs. Dogs were not allowed in the museum but there was a dedicated dog waiting room downstairs!

I could write for weeks about how better to use this collection as it such a good one but that sermon is for another forum.

Rev H-gash
Trying to use my design skills for niceness instead of evil


Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on December 04, 2012, 12:08:36 PM
More images:
Title: Beaulieu National Motor Museum
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on December 04, 2012, 12:17:12 PM
Overall it was worth visiting though, my childhood dream come true. But I cannot feel somewhat let down by the lake of care or even veneration in these vehicles. This Bluebird is such a significant car in its history globally and in particular of the UK, that it seems somewhat sad that it is not presented as such.

One other thing regarding salt is that one of the mechanics told me while he was changing something a huge gush of salt came out of the car so even this old girl has its secret storage compartments of where it gets in. Given the accident it had and the speed at which it travelled through the stuff I am not surprised that they are still finding it.

d
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: generatorshovel on December 04, 2012, 06:32:23 PM
Rev, back in the '70's, I spent quite a bit of time in Mildura Vic, there were 2 REAL flash Morries getting around that were really tricked out,,Cortina 1800 engines, flared 'guards, fats, dumped etc with brilliant paint jobs, and for a bike guy,,I was bothered by the urge to actually OWN one too.
I resisted the urge  :-D
Tiny
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on December 05, 2012, 09:55:28 AM
Yes Tiny, there are some seriously funky modified Minors out there, I particularly like the lowlight modification and am thinking what would that look like on my traveller, haven't seen that done before... (I don't know the rules yet here but other late model minor sedans and vans have had it done so why not a Traveller?) I reckon I'll need to replace my two front wings (fenders) anyway so could go for the lowlight option with a mouth full of lights.

Anyway, here's some old footage of some travellers with a bit of get up and go. Nuff said.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ANYcjCGzPM

Below is a lowlight example and a surf woodie style that I like too...
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Frankie7799 on December 05, 2012, 11:00:53 AM
I dunno Doc, I like the Traveler with the headlights on the wings but then again its just ones opinion  :-)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on December 05, 2012, 12:48:57 PM
I dunno. The "Low Light" version looks like somebody's mouth out of a Wallace and Gromit movie.  :roll: Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Frankie7799 on December 05, 2012, 01:07:34 PM
I dunno. The "Low Light" version looks like somebody's mouth out of a Wallace and Gromit movie.  :roll: Wayno

Now that right there is funny Wayno  :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on December 05, 2012, 03:32:19 PM
I dunno. The "Low Light" version looks like somebody's mouth out of a Wallace and Gromit movie.  :roll: Wayno

Right there is absolutely everything about this subject in one concise line.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Buickguy3 on December 05, 2012, 04:57:37 PM
   I like the idea. Maybe fenders off a 49 Chevy pickup. Hmmm? Fat fendered. Could work.
  Doug  :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on December 05, 2012, 05:07:01 PM
   I like the idea. Maybe fenders off a 49 Chevy pickup. Hmmm? Fat fendered. Could work.
  Doug  :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

That's a cracking idea Grommit
Although if they are anything like the size of the fenders on my 41 Chev pickup, he will need to lengthen the the thing about two feet
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on December 08, 2012, 03:57:12 AM
Got a coat of color on the frame/cage today after knocking over a few jobs. I hate spraying enamel, it makes everything  tacky. I ended up with the same Golden Yellow that it was last time, yes Colonel it looks like a tractor......

Tomorrow I'll get the rest of it on and start cleaning up the last of the parts I'm reusing, then, then the refit starts proper like. :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on December 08, 2012, 04:18:59 AM
Excellent work Dr G, back on topic too.

Tomorrow morning the two chaps building a uk Canberra tank are dropping in, looking forward to hearing of their progress after recently picking up their tank. I now know one of the guys who is active of the air museum with the runway most used for Landspeed trials (the one Hammond tipped on Top Gear) so maybe can start thinking about a test day!

Dik
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on December 08, 2012, 06:27:32 PM
I'm not towing it to the UK
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on December 09, 2012, 03:52:08 PM
ee-by-gum Grumm,

I got another coat on the frame yesterday after I went to the trouble of buying a disposable suit, It looks reasonable. A clean up of a lot of the bolt in parts , new lines and tubing will also improve the appearance of the interior, after the last five years of changes here and there and brushcoating touch ups it was starting to look a bit like a fishing boat in there...

The Colonel turned up yesterday in his avatar car, i heard the 327 and thought hmmmm, that doesn't live around here... We got a list of money-do's together, it ain't too long. He has reported back that the battery isn't goosed, I thought it was as it wouldn't show charge on my charger, it has only started the car a handful of times, that's $200 didn't want to shell out.

The list isn't too long, but some of the items are going to take a long time so I really have to get my A into G.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Jon on December 09, 2012, 04:22:51 PM
Sounds like some good progress, did you send Sparky the batteries out of your camera?

Do you have a front off a Sunshine Harvester on your wall?
I saw the remains of one when I was out in the field a couple weeks ago, can track down the landowner if you want.
Cheers
jon

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on December 09, 2012, 05:23:35 PM
Hey smarty-pants, you're right though....it's part of this thing where I now have so many devices that can access the net but some won't do everything so it's a kind of lowest common denominator deal...I'll get some up soon. Grumm was seemingly impressed with the new steering column arrangement. We discussed the problem I've been talking about with the steering box, I have a feeling that when I got the car airborne at the end of a run in 2010 that upon landing the steering box may have moved giving us toe out, which would explain the way the car behaved on the last run. Just for those who don't want to go searching  the car needed about a quarter turn to keep it running straight and only needed the slightest cross gust to send it right across the course. I have built a bracket that it just rests againt from 1/4 plate, that will support it in a similar situation and give it a reference point to be checked when the lid is up.

As for the Sunshine Harvester stuff, it's a great story and HV McKay was a great character, that's why we called it that....sounds better than the Braybrook Barnstormer... If you get a chance though I'd love one of them.

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on December 10, 2012, 05:50:31 AM
New column arrangement....a pair of pad bearings and a piece of 3/4 bar, ridiculous overkill
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/PC100088.jpg)

pinned at the knuckle end , not welded so it can be removed.

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/PC100094.jpg)

welded and pinned at the wheel end

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/PC100093.jpg)

added a backing plate for the brake master, it used to mount from a cross piece at the top, it was a bad way to do it....

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/PC100092.jpg)

new tube gusset in the top of the cage, why didn't I go to the junction at the top? you work it out....

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/PC100091.jpg)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on December 10, 2012, 10:53:01 AM
On the subject of yellow -- I just wanted to mention that yesterday I was probably the only person in Michigan's Upper Peninsula that was wearing a yellow "Spirit of Sunshine" t-shirt.  I got no comments from onlookers, though. :cry:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on December 10, 2012, 11:17:51 AM
Forgive them SSS  their brains were numbed by the cold---as must yours for wearing a T shirt in DEC on the UP   :roll:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Jon on December 10, 2012, 02:21:49 PM
New steering looks good, how is Colnel's clutch?

In the bottom pic, are the two yellow bits sticking forward inside the cage your helmet lateral restraints?
I take a guess at the diagonal brace is to let you see over it?

Cheers.
jon
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on December 10, 2012, 03:51:43 PM
I keep expecting to hear that we are sponsored by Cat and we are fitting a diesel
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on December 10, 2012, 03:59:02 PM
Full points to the bright bloke from Queensland, the laterals were there from the word go, but they used to have round padding, now I've made a full flat shield that goes 180 degrees and will have a piece of SFI flat sheet in it. I have a herniated C4/C5 and the rules as they were when we built the car made me think that if I ever rolled the car I'd be a vegetable anyway so that why they were there to restrict side movement, now I might as well be set in concrete.

Now Bright Sparks...it was 100 here on Saturday.

After saying the steering is overkill I will say compared to the sloppy roller bearing and flimsy outside column arrangement we had this thing feels great.....then again it not like I spend 10 or twenty hours a week sitting in it driving, like my crap work car.... :roll:

Yes SSS I do something about the shirts, the bloody shirts, hey....don't do a first wash with white stuff with them yeller ones, the color comes out, and the black ones? the printing comes off.....Chinese precision.

Hey Graham, what ? sponsored by Cohen?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on December 10, 2012, 04:08:32 PM
Unh, too late -- but then -- this way I have very haute coture pale yellow undies.  Things could be worse. . . :oops:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on December 10, 2012, 05:13:25 PM
here in AZ sheriff Joe makes the cons wear pink!!
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on December 11, 2012, 07:27:00 AM
Unh, too late -- but then -- this way I have very haute coture pale yellow undies.  Things could be worse. . . :oops:

B1 has moved

I haven't seen Cohen for a while. found out you can only have 5000 friends on facebook and moved on

G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on December 13, 2012, 08:41:53 PM
OMFG Dik!  :-o  Ya bought a bloody Morrie. Have you learned to get out of the way of other traffic yet? Or has somebody fed it a 1275 to give it a chance?
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on December 13, 2012, 09:11:24 PM
OMFG Dik!  :-o  Ya bought a bloody Morrie. Have you learned to get out of the way of other traffic yet? Or has somebody fed it a 1275 to give it a chance?
  Sid.

Sid, I'm getting worried.  He buys a car made out of trees and now we haven't heard from him in a week.

Can a 948 Morris outrun termites?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: PJQ on December 13, 2012, 10:04:53 PM
Being the son of an Agricultural Engineer researcher type, I can throw-in a bit of trivia about Yellow farm machinery. For journal publications in the 60s & 70s everything was painted yellow, coz it translates perfectly to black and white for printing. See:
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-OP35TZxedeQ/UMqWdlncwgI/AAAAAAAAAJU/SmQkFgLVVJ8/s800/PC100091.jpg)

Not the case anymore, but tradition sticks.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on December 14, 2012, 07:29:22 AM
I still hate it , and I think thtat's why he did it
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Queeziryder on December 14, 2012, 10:49:51 AM
OMFG Dik!  :-o  Ya bought a bloody Morrie. Have you learned to get out of the way of other traffic yet? Or has somebody fed it a 1275 to give it a chance?
  Sid.

Sid, I'm getting worried.  He buys a car made out of trees and now we haven't heard from him in a week.

Can a 948 Morris outrun termites?

Only when you drop the Rover/Buick 3.5l V8 in  :evil:  :evil:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on December 14, 2012, 12:12:37 PM
It looks like he was doing the Museum tours thing, he might have become an exibit... "Ozzy goes walkabout with wooden Morrie".
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on December 14, 2012, 04:37:20 PM
OMFG Dik!  :-o  Ya bought a bloody Morrie. Have you learned to get out of the way of other traffic yet? Or has somebody fed it a 1275 to give it a chance?
  Sid.

Sid, I'm getting worried.  He buys a car made out of trees and now we haven't heard from him in a week.

Can a 948 Morris outrun termites?

Only when you drop the Rover/Buick 3.5l V8 in  :evil:  :evil:

for one fearful moment there I thought the Rover comment was about the bellytank, I went into cardiac arrest, refer to the hsitorical section of this thread for my deep love of Brit iron.......
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on December 15, 2012, 04:53:51 AM
I am still alive, thanks for the concern. Only concern for me though is the amount of fuel this thing leaks at top of the fuel tank and around the engine which I am fixing this weekend... both seem like common problems but need to jump on them quick. Trick is I have moved to another country and my tools have not so I am on the hunt for everything again.... plus whitworth spanners!

Seem to some reasonable job lots of tools on ebay, and I also have my eye on a nice lincoln 170 mig welder... lookout!

That said, the morrie goes, it has no trouble  whatsoever keeping up with the traffic, it is a refurbed silver seal 1098 engine and I have no problem with it. Braking is slow though with the old 8 inch drums but it does have new pads.
 
Dik
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on December 15, 2012, 05:36:51 PM
Metric & SAE tools should cover you ok Dik. I have some customers that bring me their early sports cars & I get by ok. Morgan, TR's, Jag's, MG's & Healey's. One thing about them is they're as simple as a Model A & easy to work on.
We only give you crap cause we like ya.
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on December 15, 2012, 06:33:05 PM
We only give you crap cause we like ya.
  Sid.

Wow, that should be the sign-off line for this whole thread........... an odd-ball bunch have assembled themselves around this car and Sid, I'm pretty sure you explained why with the least number of words possible.

I've done it once, but I often want to share the email conversations that happen in the background, but that would diminish the point of them.....this week there have been some beauties.

As you were............
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Speed Limit 1000 on December 15, 2012, 06:36:51 PM
It is a good thing they are "easy to work on", they are like women, you really have to love them to keep them.
 I  have whitworth spanners and sockets  thank god I don't have to use them too often. :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on December 15, 2012, 07:51:04 PM
 Got the floor on after a struggle, it's 1/4 plate so it acts to stiffen the frame , with 1/2 inch studs welded to it it is hard to understand why it was hard to get on.....in the end I had a jack under the front of it trying to bow it slightly, yep got it, then as I was tightening it there was an almighty BANG! as it settled finally into place.....dunno if it was the beer or the tequila at the rehearsal last night but it was just as well i'd just been to the toilet cause it scared the living shite outa me, heart rate took a couple of minutes to return to acceptable levels.....

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/PC160095.jpg)

I got the axles, drums and rear radius rods on yesterday and fitted up the pedal set...

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/PC160097.jpg)

Yesterdays triumph was fitting a belt to my wamily fagon which is an enigma wrapped in a conundrum phrased as a riddle with a part number not related to it's length....it had siezed an idler pulley bearing, completely melted off the plastic pulley and mangled the belt, looks like it got pretty hot too.....no, I wasn't driving it, somebody who's car has to have some work on it was , go figure. :roll:

 
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on December 15, 2012, 08:01:47 PM


Yesterdays triumph

 

I would like to take that out of context and run with it, however.......     Sid?

I have just been standing and staring at the engine and trying to work out how to fix the valve geometry
It would seem that the slots in the rockers were not really designed for the amount of lift we have
I have thought lash caps, those Manley Loc caps look pretty good,  which would seem to be the easy option but it would seem they all require ".250 of valve tip poking out we have ".125
The other option would be longer valves which may be the easy option because the Chev length seems about just right
But it doesn't look like I can get the same diameter in an inlet

I might go to the hot rod show at custom lane and have a think about , and then get my hair cut short, so I can't pull anymore out
G

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on December 15, 2012, 11:57:39 PM
you can all ways grind them down or slot the rockers---or both --posted by a simple mind with too much vino--that right vino---not ceverza---imagine that!!
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Jon on December 16, 2012, 12:24:02 AM
Guessing shorter pushrods aren't an option?

Have NFI what the rocker mounts/ geometry are like.

jon
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on December 16, 2012, 01:21:47 AM
The more I look at it, the less hair I get
I'm looking at a dent in some of the pistons where the exhaust valve has been getting friendly with it and I'm feeling
that the fix may involve some "underhouse engineering" I don't think that it was these rockers that were part of the problem as the other rockers may have been a larger ratio
The problem with slotting the rockers or using shorter pushrods is that the underneath of the rocker runs into the screw in stud. of which there is not much left to machine off, and I have to leave some of it there to hold the guide plates down
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: wobblywalrus on December 16, 2012, 01:36:14 AM
A lesson I just learned is to make sure everything in the valve train is correct with respect to the high lift cam.  I made some errors there and the guides wore out real fast and the valves would not seat like they should have.  This little mistake is costing me a lot of money to fix and it almost certainly reduced my top seed at B'ville.

What I did was to find a shop that is capable of custom making valves, springs, and everything else I could possibly need.  Then I sent in the cyl head with the cams and valve gear and a description of what I do with the bike.  Then I said, fix what needs to be fixed, modify what needs to be changed to get rid of the problem, and send me the bill.  I also wanted 2mm larger intake valves.

The work estimate came back quick.  It would be a lot of work and parts and it would take some steps to rectify the problems that I did not know that I would need.  All proposed work made sense, so I gave the OK.

This valve train setup was something I should have done right the first time.  My problem was I did not know I was doing it wrong.  It pays to get help from an expert with this complicated stuff.  Kibblewhite Performance Machine in Pacifica, Calif is doing the work.  Their website has all sorts of info.

 
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Jon on December 16, 2012, 01:49:53 AM
Hey..... Underhouse Engineering is my main (only) sponsor.

Can you spot mill the cast in pedestals on the head?
If so that will let you run shorter pushrods without having to thin the heads on the studs.

jon
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on December 16, 2012, 01:56:34 AM
you can all ways grind them down or slot the rockers---or both --posted by a simple mind with too much vino--that right vino---not ceverza---imagine that!!

Bill's gone to the dark side :cheers:

If I was any use to Grumm I'd help but my job is to break the motor, well it has been so far, not to build it.

I sit here and hope divine inspiration strikes him , and that a bale of money falls through the roof of my house, the former is more likely than the latter but we live in hope.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on December 16, 2012, 02:04:08 AM
A lesson I just learned is to make sure everything in the valve train is correct with respect to the high lift cam.   . . . This valve train setup was something I should have done right the first time.  My problem was I did not know I was doing it wrong.  It pays to get help from an expert with this complicated stuff.  Kibblewhite Performance Machine in Pacifica, Calif is doing the work.  Their website has all sorts of info.


If you skip the talk of beer and refer to my last 5 months of posts on the Midget, I can only accentuate what Wobbly's talking about.

If you go with the longer valves, make sure your springs will close 'em up tight enough.

Math is your friend - it's accounting that sucks.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Peter Jack on December 16, 2012, 06:41:04 AM
A photo or two of the problem areas would give us a better idea of the exact areas of interference and the type of valve train parts you're using. Most of us who have tried to use cams with extra large lumps have run into these problems in the past and can probably help with suggestions for solutions. As for valve to piston clearance, a trip to the mill with an appropriate fly cutter should ease the issue with very little problem.

Good luck! We want to see you guys running.  8-) 8-) :-D

Pete
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on December 16, 2012, 07:48:00 AM
When I'm supposed to be working on some guys ducati tomorrow, I will be making the tool to deal with the piston clearance issue.
with the rockers............
They are yella terra (aus made) roller rockers. the plan is to turn most of the taper and the hex off the ARP screw in studs. leaving just enough material to hold down the pushrod guide plates.
Then I can use the shorter pushrods to get the rocker at such an angle that it doesn't come into contact with the posi loc or the stud.

well that's the plan any way.
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Peter Jack on December 16, 2012, 08:14:00 AM
Be careful turning down the stud and be sure you leave a nice radius. I had a sprint car engine once that we had problems breaking the rocker studs for a while. A decent girdle solved that problem.

Pete
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on December 16, 2012, 10:47:50 AM
I was talking to Tim Cox yesterday and he recalled a conversation he had this time last year with Roger his racing partner. 

" You mean you are willing to spend all this time, trouble, money and EFFORT go back and run the SAME speeds we ran last year; lets get serious and put a blower on it!  Well they did, came back ran 30 MPH faster,  hurt some parts, got a hat, got a Peg Leg--( a one trip visit to the Mayor) on a second one---learned a TON on going fast on blown gas!! 

Come guys you have a bunch rooting for you  "Giter Done"  :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on December 16, 2012, 03:07:47 PM
  Come guys you have a bunch rooting for you  "Giter Done"  :cheers:

Sparky, and everyone else, thanks we know, you've been very patient with us....oh Bill, by the way:

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=rooting&defid=3979228
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on December 16, 2012, 03:25:44 PM
  Come guys you have a bunch rooting for you  "Giter Done"  :cheers:

Sparky, and everyone else, thanks we know, you've been very patient with us....oh Bill, by the way:

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=rooting&defid=3979228

Both apply.  :wink:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on December 17, 2012, 06:27:35 AM
Just came in from the shed at 10pm on a work night, plodding along assembling, cleaning, taking things apart again because I put them together in the wrong order...it's kind of like going back to where you grew up, you think you remember how things went but for some reason time has distorted them, it's starting to come together though. It's so much more apparent now that the car was really never "finished", and it probably won't ever really be so either. It's kind of hard to finish something when you don't know what it is. When the Reverend and I started this thing we thought it would be pretty cool to go 150mph and our idea of how long it would take and how much it would cost were probably as far off the mark as what we thought the car would be. In the end it is really just a great big go-kart, the possibilities were endless but in a twist of fate we decided that we make it fit inside the first tank we found, a week after we thought it would be a great idea to build one. That was nine years ago now, but it seems like a lifetime.

I've watched other builds lately and seen the ebb and flow of enthusiasm, money and know-how as the owner/builders go through the same agony of indecision and opportunity that we did. Like the half cut sports fan it's easy to be an expert from the sideline, but it's the guy there under the pump, in the spot-light who is the one who has to make the decision, make the call on how he'll play the shot and strangely it's every extra piece of advice that seems to make the decision harder. I got told that when our car was just a drawing by another tank builder who looked at me in bewilderment, when he told me that it was an important moment. Because when I heard that I knew this was something I was going to love.

As I was finishing up tonight I remembered that the car had been sitting on the truck ready to leave when we heard the meet was cancelled in 2010. We'd built a new motor after I totalled the 2009 motor at around 193mph, a speed it did twice but flatly refused to exceed. As the car sat on the truck we knew it had nearly 50% more power but we also knew it had a valve train issue that stopped the motor abruptly at 6450rpm and the gearing was the same, the car would accellerate more quickly than it had the year before but it wouldn't go any faster than it had in 2009, that's just plain physics.

We'd first run the car in October 2007 at Mangalore airfield, it had been a mad rush to get the car ready when the meet was convened with three weeks notice. The car had been driven ten feet along the driveway at this point. We ran around a hundered miles per hour. A few things were apparent...the gearshift was almost un-useable, the seat was probably dangerous, the brakes were purely decorative, the firewall would need to be sealed pproperly, the cab needed positive pressure and if we were ever going to drive the car again it had to be on track with a very very fine surface tolerance, I particularly was fairly badly beaten by the car getting airborne and landing heavily, no suspension and less than 2 inches of ground clearance make for a sensitive ride.Other than that we were thrilled to bits, then we had to change things.

Ever since then there has never really been a static point where we thought , "yep, that's it". Constant changes to the metalwork, more holes drilled here and there, rushed solutions to some apparent problem, change or perceived shortcoming...the initial frame paint job in 2007 had been brushed over two or three times , it was burned, dirty, greasy, it was a mess.

When the meet was cancelled in 2010 we already had the makings of a good motor and we knew how it could be a whole lot better, we also had the 10 bolt Torsen centred diff with a swathe of ratios that Sparky had marshalled for us, it was time to bite the bullet.I blew the car to bits and cut the peices we needed to make some big changes, there wasn't any going back, then I had it all blasted.

As I walked out of the shed tonight I thought to myself ..." man, I'm glad we didn't go that year". The car was compromised, it looked shitty and there were reasons that we should have stayed at home but we're too mad,and too proud. Now we have the ten bolt, the motor is being sorted and the car underneath the skin looks a whole lot more business like than it ever has before.Neater,better functioning, safer. That's not to say it is easy, financially it hurts as much or more than ever before, just like my life. I've made a lot of friends doing this yet sometimes I've looked at that car and thought, " am I done?"...tonight I left the shed and I was thinking "no dude, this is stronger than ever before". If anyone has been wondering....don't worry ya little heads.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on December 17, 2012, 08:49:49 AM
"If anyone has been wondering....don't worry ya little heads."
The thought never crossed my mind.  :wink:  :cheers: Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on December 17, 2012, 08:57:34 AM
 :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
on the ebb and flow

rooting----Somehow I knew what was coming :?
The Turbo has added a whole new dimiension on the $$$$$  just in plumbing and fittings alone--

but we are trying to double  :-o the HP after all!! Teddy R---one of our early Pres. spoke to the man in the ring!!!  one of the great values of this web site I think is several of us post warts and all just so folks can learn and see the trait that most of us have----- that "GITER DONE"!  We eventually pick up the wrench and hammer and start banging away--- again---I have had a HUGE lesson in just how much different it is to build one from scratch vs dramatiacially modifying something with 3 rebuilds.  I added a hundred from where it had been before and now I am trying to add a 200 to a car I had when I was 21-- a '58 Ford Custom 300 with a 361 FE I built---but it keeps me off the street and out of bars at night---musicians need not comply---lol :roll:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on December 17, 2012, 11:13:41 AM
"Few understand what I'm trying to do but they vastly outnumber those who understand why."

From those of us who understand why -

 :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on December 17, 2012, 12:39:40 PM
 :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on December 17, 2012, 03:35:47 PM
Well, it seems I got the years a bit wrong....it was 2011 that the car was on the truck ready to go when it was all cancelled....and 2010 when I wrecked the last motor.....meh,what's a couple of years ...you three guys were very much the intended audience for that but as you said Bill anyone who jumps into this could get something out of it. The problem was i had a couple while I was writing that, the idea was to point it out to those who think they know what they are going to build.

I have always been fascinated by the body of knowledge that the designers of new cars have to carry with them, the practical knowledge of established rights and wrongs...you know the stuff, basic ergonomics, practical ways of doing things....the thing is cars aren't really, getting all that much better, because while they have to carry that knowledge they also have to challenge it, sometimes they win, sometimes they fail but all the time they have to keep loading the cars up with more and more creature comforts, more weight, so that the extra power they find in the same size motor just goes to towing around the electric seat, windows and air-con compressor.I wish there was a word for it but I don't think my 2012 car handles any better than my 1967 ute...weird, but true, something got lost in just the steering and suspension...45 years of development, a million more parts, no basic improvement....

WTF am I on about? Well, We are trying to go fast and sure you can build a motor that makes thousands of horsepower, or just plain buy one but you have to get it down to the track and you have to make it last, this game really is about aero and that's where "established knowledge" and "challenging the norms" comes in........We were all completely blown away by Keith Copeland's efforts this year.....inside me there is a burning sensation that wants to go really fast...I think the car we built while not being high tech has a sleek and stable shape, as good as has come before in a lakester.....I really hope that somehow we copped the right and ignored the wrong in a happy accident that might see it all come together sometime soon, and I'm starting to feel better about it.

And I ordered a new helmet last week.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Tman on December 17, 2012, 03:39:41 PM
Good luck! PS, we need more pretty pictures.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on December 17, 2012, 06:21:24 PM
I was a bit sore and sorry after a rehearsal on Saturday night and was a little suspect of my ability to assemble things correctly so I pushed the Sprite of Sunshine out and sat on the lawn and just stared at it for a while, made me feel better......

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/472142_359414607488292_464871450_o.jpg)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stan Back on December 17, 2012, 06:25:00 PM
I looked at Copeland's car run and said to myself, "Precious, just look at that!  All that HP and weight over the drive wheels and increasing downforce built-in and it's just dragging the rest along for class compliance.  What an idea!"

(But it doesn't translate to Street Roadster -- as if I've got enuf time to start over.)

Stan
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stan Back on December 17, 2012, 06:26:36 PM
Love the new wheels.  You can't even see the yellow chassis!
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Tman on December 17, 2012, 06:27:03 PM
I looked at Copeland's car run and said to myself, "Precious, just look at that!  All that HP and weight over the drive wheels and increasing downforce built-in and it's just dragging the rest along for class compliance.  What an idea!"

(But it doesn't translate to Street Roadster -- as if I've got enuf time to start over.)

Stan

I said something that doens't translate well here!
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on December 17, 2012, 06:45:11 PM
I looked at Copeland's car run and said to myself, "Precious, just look at that!  All that HP and weight over the drive wheels and increasing downforce built-in and it's just dragging the rest along for class compliance.  What an idea!"
Stan

Perfectly said Stanley, it kind of makes a mockery of a lot of stuff.

three hundred and eighty miles per hour..................

It spoke to my love of Dean Batchelor's designs...the Shaddoff particularly
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on December 17, 2012, 06:57:50 PM
Speaking of front wheel drive, what happened to Charles and co's FWD bellytank?...did it sell?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on December 17, 2012, 11:02:52 PM
John Burke has a FWD liner if he ever gets if finished----come on JB
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: salt27 on December 17, 2012, 11:34:52 PM
I looked at Copeland's car run and said to myself, "Precious, just look at that!  All that HP and weight over the drive wheels and increasing downforce built-in and it's just dragging the rest along for class compliance.  What an idea!"

(But it doesn't translate to Street Roadster -- as if I've got enuf time to start over.)

Stan

I said something that doens't translate well here!


Pay attention. :wink:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Tman on December 18, 2012, 01:49:05 AM
Speaking of front wheel drive, what happened to Charles and co's FWD bellytank?...did it sell?

Chaz still has it, they are hoping to be on the salt next year!
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Peter Jack on December 18, 2012, 03:54:09 AM
Boy, I hope they make it. I was really looking forward to seeing it run.

Pete
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on December 18, 2012, 11:09:34 AM
I really enjoyed his build thread!!!
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on December 24, 2012, 05:47:05 PM
It's christmas day here folks so I'll take this opportunity to wish you all the best and to thank you for all the support and interest you've shown over this year and those before. I hope the day brings happiness to you and your families and if not that the new year looks brighter than the last. There's always a new race meet to look forward to and new plans to make, we can't change the last run, but we can do all the best we can to make the next one a record breaker.........

I'm dreaming , of a whiiiiiiiiiiiiite Christmas..................

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/Supabrain108-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on December 24, 2012, 06:28:40 PM

I'm dreaming , of a whiiiiiiiiiiiiite Christmas..................

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/Supabrain108-1.jpg)

Actually, I could use about 20 lbs of that salt to help clear the ice off of my parent's driveway.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yi_5G_rKKTE

200 in 2013!   :cheers: 
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: racergeo on December 24, 2012, 06:32:44 PM
   Goggles (and I say that with great respect), you just made a post with out using one bit of the slang language "Strailian". Good on ya mate. I counted the number of iiiiiii's in white and I think you are in perfect pitch. Is there an Austrailian Idol?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on December 24, 2012, 11:25:35 PM
Merry Christmas---how many days till you load for the SALT---giter done- less than 60 days!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on December 25, 2012, 02:59:08 AM
  Goggles (and I say that with great respect), you just made a post with out using one bit of the slang language "Strailian". Good on ya mate. I counted the number of iiiiiii's in white and I think you are in perfect pitch. Is there an Austrailian Idol?

there is an Australian Idol George, apparently, but I'd sooner pull my finger nails out thatn watch something like that.....

I think it's a little more than 60 Bill, but we will b e there, I have had a dilemna with the head restraint but just as someone was asking me about the car earlier at christmas dinner I had an idea that will get us through tech. Hook, or by friggin crook we will be there.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on December 25, 2012, 05:51:18 AM
Goggles sed "Hook, or by friggin crook we will be there."
I sez "Yippee".  :cheers: Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on December 25, 2012, 08:45:19 AM
I do not know who the Abby totem of good weather is   :? but I would it and your favorite likeness of "Mother Nature" together--- write a new song that all of us salt flat racers can start singing inside of the 90 day window before our races to ask the to coporeate with each other.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on December 25, 2012, 04:14:38 PM
I've got a long stretch on a plane today , that could just the right task to occupy the time....if i can get my head out of Norman Doidge's " The Brain That Changes Itself"ISBN978-1921372-74-2     an amazing book
In the meantime, a kind of unofficial Aussie Chiristmas staple is a song by our own Paul Kelly called " How to Make the Gravy" , I think you'd like it Bill....and of course everyone else....



it's here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fh79619xxk8
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: robfrey on December 25, 2012, 10:10:54 PM
I liked that. Merry Christmas!
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on December 26, 2012, 05:00:36 AM
Thanks and Merry Christmas to you Rob, I know you are someone it means a lot to.

I didn't write anything on the plane, couldn't get my head out of the book. However, yesterday when I was at my sister and her husband's place in Mareeba in far north Queensland I spent some time with the oldest of my nephews and nieces. We went to a waterhole on a creek under a waterfall, just absolutely incredible, on the edge of the Atherton Tableland  in the dry sclerophyll forest rather than the rainforest which is most of the tableland and particularly on the eastern escarpment that faces Cairns and the coast. ..............."So, how's ya car thing going? is it ready for the next time you go"?.......I made a "ahhhhhhhh" Eureka sound, she looked at me kind of funny, "sorry, I've just solved a problem that has been bugging me for ages"

When we built the car I put in "cheek" bars because I have an old C4( no. not the plastic explosive) injury and didn't like the idea of the lower part of the helmet being able to travel too far sideways, the very thought of it creeped me out.....Now the rules mandate it......I had built a curved piece of aluminium plate that I was going to pad to conform to the rules regarding helmet restraint....but by the time I'd sourced the SFI padding for it I realised it wasn't going to work........

I got off the plane , drove home , went straight to the shed and cut the cheek bars out, did the calculations and now have a much neater, simpler solution.Two pieces of flat sheet, I have gone back to the sfi roll bar padding on the top bars and will just have a flat sheet on the back as a "head-rest".........

Here I have wet a big drop cloth into the cab....saves the metal dust and burning the new paint too much...you can see the cheek bars....

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/PC260103.jpg)

now, they're gone....

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/PC260106.jpg)

back to work tomorrow :x :x :x :x....maybe tomorrow night I'll have a little more to show.....

Happy Christmas for you guys who are a day behind...... :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on December 26, 2012, 09:06:59 AM
we may be behind---but with you guys being out front ---well you know the old sayings go--- :roll:

Intresting---I finally did much the same---whack it out, when you have the semblence of a plan---it will tell you mostly what to do later---the commitment to change is the GIANT step!!
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on December 26, 2012, 09:47:36 AM
They say that genius is 99% perspiration and 1% inspiration, but if after weeks, all you find is that you're standing in a puddle of sweat, it's time to find a source for that 1%.

And it helps to wash that sweat off.

Hmmmm . . . A dip under a Edenesque waterfall in a place that provides 300 days of sun per year . . .

I'd still be standing in the garage staring at it, trying to force it . . . You're a wiser man than I.

Smart move, Doc.  :cheers:

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Moxnix on December 26, 2012, 10:31:40 AM
Genius is a good memory and the ability to figure things out.  Everyone's got a touch of both.  Anyway, nice epiphany.  All in due course . . .
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on December 26, 2012, 10:46:49 AM
Doc, just be sure you can get your head off of all of the padding on the sides and back.  Anywhere the helmet touches padding during the run will cause your eyeballs to uncage from the buzz.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: wobblywalrus on December 26, 2012, 01:48:57 PM
That frame and cage looks safe.  Now it is the scramble to get everything together.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on December 26, 2012, 02:31:26 PM
Hey Bob,that is precisely why I went the hack. In 2009 when we had the rock-hard SFI tube padding on the cheek bars I got greyed out at low speed, didn't bother trying to drive through it to where I may have actually lost light perception altogether.It's one thing getting bounced around, but full on grey out is something you need to experience to appreciate fully. By taking the clearance out to barely two inches either side it will be a lot easier to clear the helmet from the padding, and will take less concentration, less stress.....I'm not being silly here, it's kind of difficult to drive when you have maybe a gap of an inch around your head (with the  threat of not being able to see AT ALL if it moves outside that circle)...kind of like driving with some boiling oil balanced on top of your head...

I also hope to tilt the side padding outwards slightly at the top such that it is flush with the helmet when the drivers head is tilted.The angle I am planning is a straight line drawn from where the drivers coccyx would be up and outwards along the face of the pad Then, if the head travels sideways with the body in the normal upright position the neck will almost follow the normal arc it would if you swayed your head from side to side, or if the whole body tilts to that point the helmet will strike flush. I'm not sure whether it's the Watussi, or what the neck movement that I'm trying to avoid is called, but as I said in last nights post it is the one that,personally, concerns me the most, where your chin travels as far or further sideways than your crown.

Only regret is that I cut that seat mount( screwed there between the cheek bars) because it was part of the old helmet pad, but I do have another idea that should look pretty neat. 
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on December 27, 2012, 12:17:59 PM
Just checkin in onya progress Goggs, are ya done yet? :roll:
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Glen on December 27, 2012, 01:36:59 PM
Sid, are you going to be on the salt this year, if so stop by the Vesco pit. :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on December 27, 2012, 05:22:46 PM
I haven't missed one in 25yrs Glen so I'll visit if I get a chance. I'm aiming to have my liner ready to run so we'll see ya somewhere.
  Sid.
 
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on December 27, 2012, 10:39:27 PM
Just checkin in onya progress Goggs, are ya done yet? :roll: Sid.

Get lost Sid, whadda you reckon?


a ways to go, a ways to go......

Glen if you're anything like me you'll be checkin something out and a well tanned guy with a funny accent will lean over your shoulder as ask if you're having fun yet......thanks Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: rgn on December 28, 2012, 12:00:15 AM
I got greyed out at low speed, didn't bother trying to drive through it to where I may have actually lost light perception altogether.

Doc, probably not greying out as that has to do with blood flow to the brain being denied by g-forces... though I have notice that when I use my electric toothbrush the frequency vibration caused by the brush to my head causes the computer screen image to distort to a significant degree.  Probably to do with cyclic frequencies?  Do eyes have a refresh rate?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on December 28, 2012, 12:11:52 AM
directly inverse to the amout of grog consumed  :-o   :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:= low cylic rate
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on December 28, 2012, 12:17:47 AM
Doc, we know the feeling, the Bockscar has less than an inch total, it is a trick to get the top, back and sides all perfect so the eyeballs can see the track.

rgn, if they stay uncaged they won't refresh, kind of disconnect from the brain and you don't see well at all.  

Keep at it guys  :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: rgn on December 28, 2012, 12:30:42 AM
directly inverse to the amout of grog consumed  :-o

How did you know I cleaned my beer with teeth ???   :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on December 28, 2012, 10:27:25 PM
I found a dummy and stuck it in the car to check the fit of the helmet containment....

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/IMAG0586.jpg)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on December 28, 2012, 10:51:49 PM
Paint it - it's done.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Jon on December 28, 2012, 11:47:20 PM
Looking good Manny Quinn.

Grumm got you rockin?

Cheers
jon
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on December 29, 2012, 04:51:16 PM
Sitting in the back yard eating my breakfast and about to start a pre work warm up by cleaning up in the shed....got some paint on the helmet support stuff yesterday, but also had to re-route the fire system lines because of the change in the cab.Fortunately I had some unions for the 1/4 bundy tube where they needed to be extended because bending new ones is time consuming, and it's a given that I'll flare both ends of the first attempt with only one line nut on......as it was the extension piece I had needed three bends....it looked great, then I had to straighten them again so I could slide one of the line nuts to the end, then bend it back again.........

I have been just "putting things in place" so I can see it all....I know it sounds silly but it's nearly three years since I've run this thing  and my brain is struggling with the sequencing......

I replaced all the o-rings in on the screws in the top of the fuel tank, I welded the body supports at the rear back on, I stared at the fuel tank/pump/filter/line arrangement in the rear body, it has been a constant source of confusion, consternation and acrapolyptic catastrophisation since this project began .......yesterday was a blur really, I was in there til 10pm and ,well, I guess you all know how it goes.....it still seems like there is an impossibly long list of things to do.......

Jon, we make things, he makes them work....I just keep saying that to myself.

Colonel, I found that last nozzle.

more later :|
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: stay`tee on December 29, 2012, 06:02:08 PM
yeah, we've all been there, 101 things to do, this always seems to multiply as along the way we find a better way, then "its done", sit back go huh :? what am i gunna do now, if i put that there and,,,,,, well you all know how it go's,  :roll: :-D :-D,,   seeyasoon Doc,,,,,,
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on December 29, 2012, 06:51:30 PM
Yeah Ronnie, with the words of my late Dad ringing in my ears...."if you've lost something you need to look for it systematically, the best way to do that is to start cleaning up"....he was right because generally when you go looking for something you create chaos, which is good way to lose a heap of stuff...... sooooooooooo,this morning I have spent nearly two hours cleaning up , and I'm not yet done. I know this effort will pay forward in time saving, in less stress, and hopefully in injuries, less clutter? less danger.....

And, like I said before this always takes a lot of "staring time", that method is a whoile lot more effective when things are tidier...... So farewell to a bin full of grit, sh1t and broken bits  :cheers:

BTW. I was laughing at how many of those pissy side handles I had lying around for drills and angle grinders, yeah like I need one of them once in a blue moon......Then I looked at my shelving, with a bunch of 3/8 holes down the side of it ...I grabbed a bunch of M8 nuts and now have handy hanging points for leads and stuff like that.....


yeah , I know, back to the car doofus. :roll: :roll: :roll:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on December 30, 2012, 05:49:17 PM
 Got outa there by about last 9pm night, I'm somewhere between the beginning and the very end, I hope I am closer to the end ......
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/c156.0.403.403/p403x403/16706_365445476885205_776522949_n.jpg)

I mounted all of the body panels, as part of the process of putting everything where it should be in order to do a "roll call" of parts .... I now remember the car dropping onto the tail when I was winching it onto the truck in 2010 and that may explain some of the trouble I had yesterday. We always had a little panel mismatch, but this time round it seems greater than before, ironically it seems that the worst places are on top of the body and each trailing panel seems higher than its partner.... , not by much but enough to notice. I improved the worst of it and also had a bit of a fettle of the parachute doors which are a slightly better fit now.....

I think 2013 will be the year for a repaint and some serious bodywork, Steve.....are you out there?....Some here may remember pictures of Steve Barnett's waterbottle with a full aluminium fairing, Steve has spent the last few years working with an old master who specializes in restoring pre-war race cars and has offered to help, we need to get in before he becomes unaffordable........donations welcome. :wink:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Captthundarr on December 30, 2012, 06:25:13 PM
WOW, there is a car in this build,  :-D, getting there. this has always been an interesting read. :-D soon?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on December 30, 2012, 06:51:12 PM
It amazes me the damage that can occur to a race car that has nothing to do with its operation.  Putting it on the trailer/flatbed, knocking into it in the garage, trying to fix something.

A clean shed helps.  A LOT.

The sooner it gets on the salt, the safer it's going to be.

Press on, Doctor.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on December 30, 2012, 07:34:20 PM
The only time I got annoyed yesterday was when I saw how FDUP some parts of the car were....the nose, that got slammed when I got the car airborne in 2010 had a hasty repair, the tail problem is less easy to fix.When you have between an inch and two of clearance things are going to get scraped.....then there are the scuffs, scrapes and gouges where things have fallen on the car......you don't drive two hundred miles over a rough outback road  without SOMETHING landing on or rubbing up against the car, then the pit shade always has to fall on it, the the cowl has to blow over from where someone helping you stood it on end.......and then some dill has to drop it of the jack at the back of the trailer.....yeah, racing is the safe bit.

Putting in a lazy day at work, ( New Years Eve tonight) and just noticing my right wrist is sore, and a little swollen, that would be yesterdays efforts in panel fitting.............Don't, folks, use your hand as a hammer, even if the panels are thin and soft :roll: :roll:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on December 30, 2012, 07:42:10 PM
Putting in a lazy day at work, ( New Years Eve tonight) and just noticing my right wrist is sore, and a little swollen, that would be yesterdays efforts in panel fitting.............Don't, folks, use your hand as a hammer, even if the panels are thin and soft :roll: :roll:

You should have used your head  :-D  :roll:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Glen on December 30, 2012, 07:44:16 PM
Any sheet metal and structural repairs take a lot of thought. Good planning and trial fits before bringing the hammer in the shop. Good luck and Happy New year. :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on December 30, 2012, 07:54:00 PM
thanks for the tip but the panels generally need gentle encouragement, not the kind of one-way crushing blow that something with the mass of my head can deliver, we're talkin fine work here Bob :roll: :roll:

I can use my forehead for planishing, I need a cretin friend for shrinking and pick hammer duties though. :-D :-D

Any sheet metal and structural repairs take a lot of thought. Good planning and trial fits before bringing the hammer in the shop. Good luck and Happy New year. :cheers:

Thanks Glen, our friend Steve may be just the guy. I don't have any pure argon at the moment and  am not getting any, If I had some I would have whacked a pleat or two in the top of the body and welded it up......but that takes time and so does paint......the signage needs to be redone soon so I figure and strip and straighten with a new scheme and signage will be the job for next year......

I just remembered that yesterday in the midst of it I realised that the casting on the ten bolt housing was fouling the fuel tank, fortunately I could take some off the base of the tank as the floor is angled and also take a bit off the pumpkin........


Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: wobblywalrus on December 30, 2012, 08:19:58 PM
Goggs, sometimes it helps to build it to work OK, be safe, go fast, and pass tech.  Then, in the time remaining before you load it on the trailer, to go back and fix up the cosmetic stuff.  This takes a lot of the pressure off of a person.   
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on December 30, 2012, 09:00:02 PM
Hey Bo ,cosmetic flows to structural on this thing*aero is the only card we hold and crap panel fit kind of ruins that.....with a few small changes and a couple o dings I needed to get the body on as a practise run. This whole procedure goes together like a chinese puzzle.......I am just wading through the housework and then dummy fitting EVERYTHING because those last few days are when the real stuff happens and when the motor is going in I want everything to have been trialled, no claggy threads, no missing bolts, no "how come this doesn't fit" scenarios, in the next week, when everything opens again I will be out buying the needed bits I have found to be missing......lookin OK so far.......




* on it's second year at the salt Simon Davidison the photographer was standing next to it and a guy walked up and asked how old it was

"it's the second year it's been here"
"yeah, but when was it built?...in the sixties"
"no, it was new last year"
"how come it looks so old"

as Simon said he looked over at it and it was bleeding dust from the trip in and like the guy said, it looked fifty years old, not one..........
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on December 30, 2012, 09:23:01 PM
My Good Dr.---I so look forward to following your thrash with hair dryers- :evil: --thats what the 2.14s are for---recall!!  Happy and Safe New Years EVE tonight--over there!!
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 01, 2013, 04:13:44 PM
I spent yesterday in and out of the shed, to the untrained eye it wouldn't seem much was done, to the trained eye it was fairly obvious that small victories had been achieved....I got the gear shift in. I'd had to cut the end off the gearshift arrangement in order to pull the cables through the firewall when I dismantled the car for blasting so in putting them back I wanted to make sure they needn't be cut again... there are still plenty of parts in the car that are the prototype. Weird, mangled, cut three times and welded bits that look like a test piece in a welding booth.....the ends of the shift cables were like that, adjusted ,adjusted and never remade once we got them to work. The bracket that holds them at the other end the clamp of which holds a heat shield was a little rough...I cleaned them up,deburred them ,remade a few parts and got some paint on them.

I spent a bit of time clearing threads especially in aluminium parts, I went over the canopy, cleaned and lubed the catches, cleaned , painted and remounted the catch handle.

I spent time the day before having another look at some of the body mount points and realised that where I had taken the rear superstructure off when the diff centre was set up that I had removed a small tack weld on each side, I drilled and tapped a hole in each side so that the height of the mounting bracket could be tuned... that'll make it a bit easier to match the edge where the tub meets the cowl.

I also changed my mind slightly with the padding around the helmet, the way I worked it I end up with no pieces left over, so more padding around the cage. It involved not bothering with full coverage at the back where the helmet can't reach it due to the tightness of the corner and more in the cap of the cage where it could in extreme circumstances.... I think it's a better solution.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Jon on January 01, 2013, 09:54:57 PM
Detailing before the thrash  :-o

Got more helmet area pics?

Cheers
jon
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 01, 2013, 10:18:39 PM
Na, not "detailing" before the thrash.... Once you've had your bike at the lake once or twice you'll know what I'm doing. Due to the long down times you end up losing the mental map of so much that goes on inside these special construction things..... and I know that when the motor turns up we will be in full thrash, at that time I need to be able to completely strip and re-assemble the car in a couple of hours, then is not the time to need a helicoil, ezy-out or some rare bolt, hose, union or whatever........... Right now I'm "dress rehearsing" every part, re-familiarising nooks and crannys and dusting off that mental map of what goes where, when. In the meantime things are getting "detailed", sharp edges that have cut me a few times, gone, snags that have stopped body fixtures going home properly....gone....... flimsy , dodgy, dubious....gone..... Things get busted, seized by red dust, rotted by bimetallic corrosion( helped by salt), butchered by tools using the wrong tools (????), beaten by 200+miles of poor excuse for a road........I'm performing an obsessive compulsive routine because I'm bad at systematic, I am finding it harder to find( nice) things to do other than chuck the motor in it and fire it up.....
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on January 01, 2013, 11:30:19 PM
Yep, and that's not going to happen this weekend.
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Jon on January 01, 2013, 11:36:03 PM
Sounds like your detailing to me ;)

I haven't even made it to the lake and already forget why I made some bits that way.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 02, 2013, 12:10:23 AM
Sounds like your detailing to me ;)

I haven't even made it to the lake and already forget why I made some bits that way.

the uglier, weirder, lumpier and ost welded parts are the ones to be treated with the most respect. What you don't do at moments like these is think " Bah, I should have done it THIS way, what was I thinking?" because there is nothing surer, that part is like it is FOR A REASON.......copy it accurately.

It is an unnerving feeling when someone points something out on your car and at that moment you can't muster the reason behind it, you just know that there is one........

Those are the moments that are great when you are sitting beside the car in the shed.."re-acquainting" yourself, and you look at some odd part, some little slot, or other oddity and think , "oh yeah, I remember that"...

Hurry up with the motor  :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Jon on January 02, 2013, 12:22:45 AM
he's getting Pizza
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on January 02, 2013, 02:10:57 AM
he's getting Pizza

You know, I wish I was getting pizza.
I'm sitting with a beer, next to the mitta river, watching my girlfriend
riding up and down the track on a club registered 70's trail bike, getting in
some practice for when her 70's Ducati clears Aus customs next week
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Jon on January 02, 2013, 02:13:18 AM
Tough life but someone's got to do it.

What model Duc?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 02, 2013, 02:39:56 AM
Sorry but I laughed when I read that, "the Mitta River".........
Where I grew up there were flies, like few places you'll ever see, but when we went for a camping holiday near Tallangatta on the Mitta we were surprised to find more insects there than anywhere we'd ever been.....I seem to remember they were daylight driven....

A friends father was the project boss on the Mitta dam, the story of the beam that went through the system doing untoild millions of dollars of damage one day is an interesting engineering disaster story on it's own.


Hey Graham bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz,slap,bzzzzzzzz,slap,bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz,slap,slap,bzzzzzzzzz,slap,slap,slap,slap,bbbbZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ, BBBZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

 :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :roll: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: 8-) 8-) :-o :-o :-o
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on January 02, 2013, 05:40:57 AM
Tough life but someone's got to do it.

What model Duc?

350 scrambler
And of course, we just had pizza
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 03, 2013, 04:41:06 PM
Got the new helmet, from Wesco in Cal. Plain white Bell . Yes , I know I should have got the sub-atomic helix-honeycomb-recombinant-new-generation Sportsmeister with USB but I just got this one. It doesn't have the micro-nuclear ventilatarium or the jerk adaptor either,it just has stickers.

I fitted the HANS things, OK anchor points and everyone at the Spirit of Sunshine possum park, Cactarium and landspeed laboratory is so happy that we're breaking into spontaneous song. Praise be to Snell. Now I can give our perfectly good, unmarked SA2000 helmet bought in 07 to my Friday night "street drag" friends ...............

39 celcius yesterday, 41 today, prediciting the worst conditions since the 2009 Black Saturday fires here in Victoria where 173 people died. Fingers crossed for all our friends and family here in rural and remote areas and particularly those in established danger zones such as the Dandenongs.

Special mention to Greg Watters (Maj) who is a member of the volunteer Country Fire Authority, good on ya Greg.

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on January 03, 2013, 04:49:51 PM
41 is quite warm. It was 21 below here last night.  :-o Brrrr. Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 03, 2013, 05:02:45 PM
I'll send over some empty shipping containers Wayno, get 'em dropped out the front of your place. Just open the doors and leave 'em there overnight then get 'em picked up and shipped over here....we could do with some 21 below air right now........BTW, how do you power things when it's that cold, I thought electricity froze at those temperatures....that was why they didn't invent it earlier, or something like that.......
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Tman on January 03, 2013, 05:45:28 PM
I'll send over some empty shipping containers Wayno, get 'em dropped out the front of your place. Just open the doors and leave 'em there overnight then get 'em picked up and shipped over here....we could do with some 21 below air right now........BTW, how do power things when it's that cold, I thought electricity froze at those temperatures....that was why they didn't invent it earlier, or something like that.......

We have insulated wires over here that keeps the smoke WARM and INSIDE the wire! Unlike the Lord of Darkness.....Lucas :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 03, 2013, 06:12:11 PM
Wayno, I neglected to point out that I will fill the containers with air in the low forties. Trent, that is why the British colonised Australia, they saw it as a tremendous natural resource for smoke. What with the vast majority of their smoke being used to color buildings and people's lungs they saw our wide brown land of burning plains as a goldmine, figuretively speaking of course. Hundreds of freighters full of smoke went back to the UK during the war years just to Lucas alone. It is easy to see why the Japanese and their solid state printed circuitry quickly dominated the world market after the war, the smoke trade was devastated. We no longer see old fellas burning leaves by the side of the road, old coots standing next to back yard incinerators or people having a "bonnie" just because it's been a while  as there are no local smoke buyers, people here used to follow fire trucks in the hope they could gather up some valuable smoke, that too is gone.

Ah, the good old days.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on January 03, 2013, 06:22:31 PM
You'd better hurry with those containers. High temp on Saturday is supposed to be a balmy 0 (celsius).  :-) I haven't bothered with the shop the last few days. By the time I get it warm enough to work it's time to quit.  :roll: As I say, this shall soon pass. This has actually worked well for my recovery from the eyeball surgery. I woulda been out there doing dumb stuff and hurting myself. Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stan Back on January 03, 2013, 06:32:10 PM
"It doesn't have the . . . jerk adaptor either."

I'd guess it's of no use to you.  Wanna sell it?  What size?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 03, 2013, 06:56:47 PM
You'd better hurry with those containers. High temp on Saturday is supposed to be a balmy 0 (celsius).  :-) I haven't bothered with the shop the last few days. By the time I get it warm enough to work it's time to quit.  :roll: As I say, this shall soon pass. This has actually worked well for my recovery from the eyeball surgery. I woulda been out there doing dumb stuff and hurting myself. Wayno

My middle sister had ended up with a detached retina and had surgery on Monday. She crashed her daughter's Alfa last week and there is opinion that the injury was precipitated by that...she hit Armour-rail fortunately after what we suspect was a collapsed alloy wheel.It was on a straight section of the Goulburn valley highway that is lined by trees......many many fatal crashes on that stretch, she was really lucky.

Wayno, you are supposed to rest, and just in case you were wondering yesah, that means do nothing, be calm, stop fidgeting, stop rubbing your brow, stop using your eyes...... I woulda been out there doing dumb stuff and hurting myself ..actually I was thinking of giving Gus a call and getting him to head round there and lie a few rakes on the ground, tines up. Then, if you did head out to the shed where you'd risk getting hypothermia or straining your new peepers you'd be given a timely reminder "GO BACK IN THE HOUSE"........

Hey Stan, it's pumpkin sized, no seriously. When I offered the old helmet to the street drag brothers they laughed and Alex, better know as "Do you race"( said in a heavy Serbian accent) said , "nah mate, we've both got heads like f***** pumpkins", I looked at them , gave it a few seconds and said "your lucky day,it's pumpkin size" , XXL 76cm.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on January 03, 2013, 07:19:40 PM
Wayno - If the Sunshine boys are sending you a care package of BTUs, could you drop ship some to me in Beerhaven?  My thermometer hasn't been above freezing since the solstice, and my Lucas was eradicated years ago.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on January 03, 2013, 09:18:43 PM
Chris, you are certainly welcome to whatever thermal units I spill.  :cheers: Kinda like warmy seconds.  :-P Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 04, 2013, 05:46:25 PM
..."a unit approximately equal to the amount of energy required to heat a pound of water one degree farenheit", phew, glad we cleared that one up........ it is always comforting for those who use the metric system to see that there is some basis to the arbitrary system of weights and measure that others use..... even after you have been soundly defeated in every facet of a metric v imperial argument you can still walk away confident in the knowledge that if they could just change time to metric then you could work pretty much everything you need to know out in your head with the assistance of ten fingers.....

It's 20 degrees C here right now, got to 41 yesterday, schtinkin, So Wayno I'm sitting here in the back yard digesting my breakfast and typing away.....the shed beckons...

Today, the fire system.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on January 04, 2013, 06:19:27 PM
And other things I can figure out with ten fingers and two ears and others with ten fingers five toes and me willy.   :-o :roll: I'm witcha on the metric system.  :cheers: Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: rgn on January 04, 2013, 07:35:17 PM
Doc, glad to hear your sister came out of the incident relatively unscathed.  It's a treacherous and unforgiving road for sure.  The number of roadside reefs and memorials lay testament to that.

Certainly hasn't been shed weather the last few days with the heat, today will be no different, get in there anyway... That's the Spirit.   :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on January 05, 2013, 05:58:11 AM
well. at least he has a shed
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Jon on January 05, 2013, 06:08:34 AM
Tough life but someone's got to do it.

What model Duc?

350 scrambler
And of course, we just had pizza
G

Nice on the scrambler, resto job or pretty tidy already?

Goggles been telling stories?

Cheers
jon
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: rgn on January 05, 2013, 06:09:47 AM
well. at least he has a shed
G

I do believe it was you Mr Grumm who pulled down the perfectly good asbestos clad shed that inhabited your back yard?    :-o
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 05, 2013, 06:22:04 AM
And other things I can figure out with ten fingers and two ears and others with ten fingers five toes and me willy.   :-o :roll: I'm witcha on the metric system.  :cheers: Wayno

Oh, so I see yer still relying on the old random error generator then, I'm pretty sure getting my willy involved in anything I was trying to work out never ended with a sensible answer.

Oh yeah, spent the day in the shed. Got the fire system all connected,bottles all secured, needed some new line here and there, moved the nozzle in the cab.It will all come out again of course as the bottles need to be recertified.

 I changed the way the cable for the chute release mounts in the cab, found a neat little bracket that cam off the Sabre tank we used as the cowl, turned out well.

Mounted the cable clamps for the gearshift.

Put the headrest section of padding in the cab.

Finished the clutch line.

Mounted the chute support.

more tomorrow.... 
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on January 06, 2013, 06:29:14 AM
Good going Doctor G,

post some photos, the blog is looking text heavy!

Dik
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on January 06, 2013, 10:44:15 AM
..."a unit approximately equal to the amount of energy required to heat a pound of water one degree farenheit", phew, glad we cleared that one up........ it is always comforting for those who use the metric system to see that there is some basis to the arbitrary system of weights and measure that others use..... even after you have been soundly defeated in every facet of a metric v imperial argument you can still walk away confident in the knowledge that if they could just change time to metric then you could work pretty much everything you need to know out in your head with the assistance of ten fingers.....

There will be pint cans in the cooler at Bonneville, if you should change your mind, but if you insist on drinking metric, well, bring your own.

By the way, the Imperial System of weights and measures is nominally different then that which we use in the US - but I guess the point of all this gibberish is that it's cold in Milwaukee today, and my furnace isn't metric.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on January 06, 2013, 05:56:30 PM
May I have 568 mL of Speckled Hen, please?  :cheers: Wayno
Title: Lake GAirdner weather
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on January 08, 2013, 03:23:03 AM
Lake Gairgner: Should be no problem of the lake drying out with this the kind of weather happening at the moment, so hot the weather bureau has to add new colours to their charts!: (fyi: Tasmania is bigger than West Virginia with an area of 26 000 sq miles)

http://www.theage.com.au/environment/weather/temperatures-off-the-charts-as-australia-turns-deep-purple-20130108-2ce33.html

Of course herein lies a new problem... will it be too hot to race in february?!!!!

"Catastrophic" fire day forecast for New South Wales today which means all the factors are right for a disaster, wind, fuel load, topography, dryness of fuel etc, and this is early in the season. Over 90 fires already burning overnight in this state alone so fingers crossed. This live map of fire incidents is pretty spooky:

http://www.rfs.nsw.gov.au/dsp_content.cfm?CAT_ID=683

The one I keep an eye on is the victorian one as our farm is in a high risk area, not much I can do from the UK but watch.

Good luck to all in OZ. One big victim during the last major bout of fires were of course sheds with cars and bikes in them. I know everyone talks about losing their house as the worst thing, but many pride and joys were not in the house but in the shed. And tools. RIP.

Dik
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: generatorshovel on January 08, 2013, 05:07:05 AM
Nonning (not far from Lake G ) had a max of 45c yesterday ( 113 degree Fahrenheit), if it rains on the lake with these temps, would it "case harden" the salt like quenching steel would ?
The temp had dropped to 31 today, which we are used to up there during Speedweek, but forecasters predict another few 40 + days ahead.
I , for one, hope this hot spell won't last too long, although Feb has history of being the hottest month where I live, I can't imagine Lake Gairdner being much different ?
At least a dry track looks likely this year,,,,
Tiny
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: maj on January 08, 2013, 05:22:21 AM
there talking of another 3-4 weeks of several real hot days then a cooler one, 4 or 5 day cycle
at least its a dry heat, not much good for the fires but at least more comfortable to work in
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 08, 2013, 03:56:32 PM
Nonning (not far from Lake G ) had a max of 45c yesterday ( 113 degree Fahrenheit), if it rains on the lake with these temps, would it "case harden" the salt like quenching steel would ?
The temp had dropped to 31 today, which we are used to up there during Speedweek, but forecasters predict another few 40 + days ahead.
I , for one, hope this hot spell won't last too long, although Feb has history of being the hottest month where I live, I can't imagine Lake Gairdner being much different ?
At least a dry track looks likely this year,,,,
Tiny

I get a feeling it's going to be like 06 when the salt was like concrete and the heat was insane. You need to get a hobby Tiny, call yourself a landspeed racer? ......mate, you are the only person I know who is ready to go, no the only person I've ever HEARD OF who is ready more than a month early, weirdo.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: generatorshovel on January 08, 2013, 04:05:33 PM
Nonning (not far from Lake G ) had a max of 45c yesterday ( 113 degree Fahrenheit), if it rains on the lake with these temps, would it "case harden" the salt like quenching steel would ?
The temp had dropped to 31 today, which we are used to up there during Speedweek, but forecasters predict another few 40 + days ahead.
I , for one, hope this hot spell won't last too long, although Feb has history of being the hottest month where I live, I can't imagine Lake Gairdner being much different ?
At least a dry track looks likely this year,,,,
Tiny

I get a feeling it's going to be like 06 when the salt was like concrete and the heat was insane. You need to get a hobby Tiny, call yourself a landspeed racer? ......mate, you are the only person I know who is ready to go, no the only person I've ever HEARD OF who is ready more than a month early, weirdo.

Well mate, I'm actually late, I nom'd for 2012, but wasn't ready until a couple of months ago,
"I can't stand the rain" te de de de de de, doomp doomp"
Now I'm early,,,
Tiny
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on January 08, 2013, 05:54:23 PM
Hey , can we use a chev v6 next year, this holden motor is doing my head in
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on January 08, 2013, 06:03:57 PM
Hey , can we use a chev v6 next year, this holden motor is doing my head in
G

Christmas is over, and now you're asking for a cookie cutter?  :|
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on January 08, 2013, 08:15:29 PM
I was thinking more of something with 1.6 exhausts and 2.02 inlets
and a choice of roller rockers
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on January 08, 2013, 08:40:00 PM
Just do a class jump & park a turbo on that underhead cam Buick!
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on January 09, 2013, 01:53:39 AM
That's still not going to fix my rocker problems
I've got an Eaton M90 blower that I'm using to hold my office/room full of junk door open
G

(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc28/grumm441/M90_zpsb107179c.jpg)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Jon on January 09, 2013, 02:34:48 AM
Rockers still giving you grief Grumm?
Can't come up with a happy geometry with them?
Because they're an ordinary product or because your cam is pretty adventurous?

Cheers
jon
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on January 09, 2013, 03:08:43 AM
Yes, yes and yes
In other news, I was looking at the interactive weather map
http://www.bom.gov.au/australia/charts/viewer/index.shtml?type=T&level=2m&tz=AEDT&area=Au&model=CG&chartSubmit=Refresh+View
Press the play button
It looks like its hot at Tiny's place
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: generatorshovel on January 09, 2013, 04:12:09 AM
HOT,,,that's yesterdays news, today's news,,,cool as a cucumber this morning, windy as last night, even rested the air con for a while.
Tomorrow the heat is returning,,I've got a cold, a MAN cold too (sook)

Grumm, the person who sold Gogz the cam,knows his stuff ? ,has the grind ever been used by anyone before ?

Surely you have a set of F! servo operated bumpstick replacements behind the blown door ?

Tiny
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on January 09, 2013, 07:08:13 AM
You would be looking forward to getting to the lake 'cos it's cooler there than in your shad

The cam is a Formula Holden grind, so it was fairly common in an insane sort of a way
And yes, the cam guy knows what he was doing.
I'm just trying to get thru it without buying new rockers
I'll get it to work eventually.

I am going to look at a Hurcus lathe at school tomorrow.
Old school lathes, never worked hard and always cleaned
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: wobblywalrus on January 09, 2013, 09:48:00 PM
It is hard to make an informed recommendation without seeing it up close.  One thing to consider is the side loads on the valve stems during the valve movement.  The rocker with the least side to side movement of the tip across the top of the valve stem might be the least costly choice in the long run.  Less valve guide wear. 
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on January 10, 2013, 02:01:51 AM


Grumm441,

Wouldn't it be faster/easier with other rockers?   Just a thought......
 :cheers:
Fordboy

you bet it would. I had a discussion with my old boss about rockers and he made the same suggestion, it's just the current budget doesn't quite stretch that far.

G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: ol38y on January 10, 2013, 10:52:08 AM
What sort of lift are you running? 
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on January 10, 2013, 11:59:20 AM
Unless I missed something - This was posted up a while back -

W A D E   C A M S H A F T S    P  T Y   L T D
     

           Profile          Actuation             Make/Model           R/Ratio
          1644a            Roller Follower Holden V6  3.8              In1.6 Ex 1.6
          --------------------------------------------------------------------------
           Cam Lift   Duration    Duration   Valve   Valve    Lift      Phase
                       Adv           @050     Clr    Lift     tdc        <)
          --------------------------------------------------------------------------
  Intake     361        300        249      0.016    0.5616    113        107
  Exhaust    361        300        249      0.016    0.5616    098
          --------------------------------------------------------------------------

                             Timing                  Timing
                             Adv                    @ 0.05
                          Open      Close        Open      Close
           Exhaust      77 Bbdc     43 Atdc      53 Bbdc   16 Atdc

           Intake       40 Btdc     80 Abdc      19 Btdc    50 Abdc

                                83                  35
                          Deg Over-lap        Deg Over-lap

                 Intake Centreline  105.5        Exhaust Centreline  108.5

If you're running the recommended rocker ratio, you're at ~ .560 valve lift after lash.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: ol38y on January 10, 2013, 06:42:55 PM
Yup, they're right there where it's time to look at roller rockers. On the tractor motors I run they say after .550 lift it's time to go to rollers.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on January 10, 2013, 07:14:35 PM
Okay, but there are new gears in place, and the goal is a hat.  How tight are you going to have to wind it to get red headgear?  Seems the issues were above 6K.  You might be able to put a hat on while babying the engine.   :roll:

I know - what fun is that . . .
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 10, 2013, 08:03:04 PM
No fun at all.

OK. We have a bunch of different roller rockers, the problems are not necessarily simple, and that's me saying it....I have nothing to do with the farnarkling that needs to be done. The Colonel has very good resources he can call on who have been doing special order type stuff their whole lives....right now the issue is room, enough strength, enough slot and enough accuracy. The Colonel at last report said he was having trouble with the current set-up traveling too far across the valve tip. Whether he sorts that issue or not there are a set of Manley extreme duty valves going into the heads, as for springs he says there ain't much on offer over what we have....... On the really bright side he put a BF magnet in the sump and it came out clean as a whistle after the dyno work when the motor was first assembled, he seems to think I'll have trouble breaking this one.

So, assuming full hook up which we have enjoyed up to 195mph we are looking at 211mph for the 2.56 gear set and 224 mph for the 2.41 gear set if we rev it to 6500rpm which is where it went to on the dyno, shame is the curve was pointing upwards in a pretty serious fashion there....

I have to build a push bar that will all be hidden in the tail, I will fashion an exhaust augmenter which will function as the push point, it's currently on the draughting board in my head.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SaltPeter on January 11, 2013, 04:26:30 AM
Average Daily Max Temp at Tarcoola north of Lake G for December was 42.8 degree C = 109.04 degree F. :-o :-o :-o

See you there in Feb Doc  :cheers:

Pete
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on January 11, 2013, 07:50:31 PM
By the right rockers and put the 2.73 in it  and "GITER DONE----I know, I know, I ain't pay'n the bills  :-D


If you have the good heads on this thing  I will bet she would not fall off bad untill north of 8500
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 12, 2013, 05:07:00 AM
Got cracking this morning and came up with this, pictured here with the chute bucket and exhaust in place ..so that's the set up in the tail minus the skin...

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/P1120113.jpg)

now you might notice that I have what looks like an exhaust augmenter in place....well, we can call it that, more importantly I figured it was the neatest way of making a push point, I figure I'll just get some cheap bearings as rollers that I can mount on either side of the tube...

Needs a bit more bracing up the front here, but as it is it rings, so it's feeling pretty stiff.

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/P1120114.jpg)

We'll see about 8500rpm Bill, and I'll see you at the salt Pete.

Haven't quite decided how I'll space the outside tube, won't be hard....

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/P1120115.jpg)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Jon on January 12, 2013, 06:12:02 AM
Looking good Goggles, hope that's a SFI, ocky strap.

Have you been using all 4 gears, for some reason I thought you were starting in 2nd.


Cheers
jon
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: fredvance on January 12, 2013, 09:57:58 AM
Are you going to wrap that loooong tailpipe??
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on January 12, 2013, 05:35:04 PM
Are you going to wrap that loooong tailpipe??

That might be a good idea
I might get some wrap from work
It runs real nice with that loooong tailpipe
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Glen on January 12, 2013, 06:18:25 PM
Am I missing something, where is the chute being located,sure don't want it around any heat source.Just wondering. :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 12, 2013, 06:19:47 PM
We've always started in 2nd,and although I thiunk the new diff ratio will mean we still have a lower final drive in first now that we will go for a little push because this is a pretty highly strung motor.

I have worked out a way to spring load the lock out on first gear( we have a two stick shift), thing is when it releases it makes a sound like an anvil landing on Wile E Coyote's head....that should keep the bystanders at the start line happy......

And yes Colonel you get that wrap.........I da Colonel and I in da hou :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:se!
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 12, 2013, 06:30:19 PM
Am I missing something, where is the chute being located,sure don't want it around any heat source.Just wondering. :cheers:

You can see the chute doors in this shot Glen, just behind the circular hole you can see the gap between the doors and the clasp, the pilot goes straight up, the chute works well and the lines have a kevlar shroud where it reaches the tailpipe.

(http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd35/Jarman-Stewart/P3040946.jpg)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Glen on January 12, 2013, 08:21:50 PM
Cool, thanks, I remember now. :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Rex Schimmer on January 12, 2013, 08:47:26 PM
That is probably the very best way to "throw out the laundry" kick the pilot up into the air stream and then let it pull the main out. This is the "Blue" preferred method, planning to do the same on my little car.

Doc, your car does really have a nice "rear end treatment"!

Rex
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on January 12, 2013, 09:45:32 PM
Rex, it's beyond that.

We joke around a lot, but Doc, the SOS is just about the pinnacle of what a 21st century Bellytank should be.  

I was thumbing through the 2010 Annual, which presents this car so well.

1. The stance is absolutely correct.
2. The lines are gorgeous.
3. The choice of a Canberra tank as a starting point was inspired - a cold war nod to its WWII predecessors.
4. Despite the difficulties, I think the engine choice will eventually prove to be fast and reliable - AND flexible enough to consider fuel and/or supercharging in years down the road.

We can all pick apart our rides - woulda/shoulda/coulda, and I know - it's thrash time, it needs paint, blah, blah, blah, it all seems daunting a month out from Garidner.

But damnitall, this is a world class lakester you guys have put together.  Don't ever lose site of that.
Chris  
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 13, 2013, 12:29:09 AM
Chris, I needed that right now.

Making the push bar
 
1./ rigid enough so it won't flex and damage the rear bodywork when it is loaded.,

2./ strong enough with the few direct sight lines I have to the rear superstructure.

3./ small enough so the tail can be removed..


Is doing my head in.

I'm putting the attachment points on for the piece of 4 inch pipe on (the actual push point) and just realised they won't clear the opening in the tail.......

Hungry, thirsty, weld burnt and I have to say feelin a bit sore and p'd off right now......

Thanks mate.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: salt27 on January 13, 2013, 01:02:43 AM
Dr. G,
I'm probably not visualizing the finished push bar correctly but just in case I am.

Will the exhaust be restricted during the shove off?

 Don
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on January 13, 2013, 03:31:20 AM
Chris, I needed that right now.

Making the push bar
 
1./ rigid enough so it won't flex and damage the rear bodywork when it is loaded.,

2./ strong enough with the few direct sight lines I have to the rear superstructure.

3./ small enough so the tail can be removed..


Don't forget straight!
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 13, 2013, 03:35:00 AM
The outside tube is about two inches proud and it isn't sealed at the front, so it probably doesn't have the full unrestricted flow it does without the push car there, but it shouldn't be too bad, thinking of a piece of mesh in the middle of the push bar.

It would have been easier making this if I hadn't left my acetylene on a few weeks back :roll:......I had to bend a few things and that was by hand, fine until I wanted to make a few little changed near the end .....

Anyway, it's done now.
Don't forget straight!

Wild times here, send money.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: salt27 on January 13, 2013, 03:58:03 AM
I should have known you had it all figured.

That is one sexy looking tank.

Don't forget your Landracing stickers. :-D

 Don
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on January 13, 2013, 04:25:16 PM

 AND, it appears to me, anyway, you guys are 99% done.


Fordboy

????
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 13, 2013, 05:23:37 PM

Hungry, thirsty, weld burnt and I have to say feelin a bit sore and p'd off right now......


Doc,

All the last minute trials & tribulations will be forgotten at 321.8688kph!!!

Keeping all my fingers (and eyes) crossed for you guys.  AND, it appears to me, anyway, you guys are 99% done.

I'll save the  :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: for the new record....
Fordboy

Appearances can be deceptive, but thanks for the fillip.

The push bar was a job I hadn't time budgeted for, and it took two days.......I have a gig next weekend, one two weeks after that that is a one off I have to learn the songs for, right now I don't have a trailer sorted, I'm sure there are other things I've forgotten but that's enough to panic about now, it's Monday morning and I have a full weeks work ahead, yippeeeee. Even if we just click off the 200 it WILL all be worth it.

Finished that motor yet Colonel :? :? :? :?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on January 14, 2013, 01:15:00 AM
Motor...  Haha  :roll:
Sorting out this wiring loom is a bit of fun, what with it all wires being yellow
Bit like a Russian tractor
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Jon on January 14, 2013, 04:11:31 AM
Has he painted the loom too?

He must have been bitten by an Aedes aegypti while he was up north.

jon
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on January 14, 2013, 06:33:57 AM
Has he painted the loom too?

He must have been bitten by an Aedes aegypti while he was up north.

jon

Yes, the loom too
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on January 14, 2013, 11:52:51 AM
So all the wires are yellow, with a color tracer when you scrape a spot with a knife... nice.  :roll:
 :cheers:
oh and good luck
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on January 14, 2013, 12:35:30 PM
must have tried to carry over his artistic bent from music to painting ---so a Picasso he's not  :?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 14, 2013, 05:44:47 PM
Motor...  Haha  :roll:
Sorting out this wiring loom is a bit of fun, what with it all wires being yellow
Bit like a Russian tractor
G
You're just blind you fiddly old goat.

If the loom is painted , it wasn't me, but due to the popularity of the event it is something I will keep in mind. If I HAD painted it I would have shot it with the epoxy 2k primer, then you'd need a grinder to get it off, now we've got that settled.

Full marks Bennett.

Hey Bob, Is that you I can hear playing a violin??

So, have ya finished the motor, oh yeah, I just asked yesterday.

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Jon on January 14, 2013, 06:18:55 PM
Who you calling Bennett Giggles? ;)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on January 14, 2013, 06:46:39 PM
you're the one with the glasses
It's sprayed on so unless you let Dik hold the spray gun?
Motor is currently in bits. waiting for the postie with my valves
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 14, 2013, 07:59:45 PM
Rattle can.

Now, a crisis has just been averted. When we had the ten bolt diff set up I asked for the Borg-Warner yoke to be put on it. I couldn't help but notice when I put it back in the car that it had the Spicer nine inch style yoke, OK I thought, It mustn't fit....... Today I went to the drive-shaft folk seeking an odd size uni-joint only to be told that there was no part on offer to fit the combination I was after. I was just a little annoyed( the Colonel will attest to this after the phone call he received) as I'd paid top dollar to have the ten bolt set up and when it was returned there were a bunch of bits that were no longer with it, it didn't even come with the crush spacer we need to do a ratio change at the lake.....The options were, 1./ put a nine inch style yoke on the end of the tailshaft, a snip at $350 . I went home, pretty sure that the pinion yoke that came off the Borg-Warner would fit. I just rattled gunned the Spicer yoke off, and rattle gunned the BW yoke on. Done, now I don't even need to buy the new uni. And the dear helpful soul who was going to charge me $350 to put himself out to weld another yoke on and balance it can spend his time having a cup of tea instead.

I just spoke to Simon, he has a series of as he termed them "first world problems", can't decide whether to go for a surf, where to go, or should he just go to a cafe for a lounge around... we're doing it tough down here let me tell you. Personally I had to work from home this morning, hard to do work calls when the birds are going crazy in the backyard, like I said we're toughing it out here........

This afternoon I drop the fire system bottles off, not expecting any surprises.

 
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 14, 2013, 08:03:11 PM
you're the one with the glasses
It's sprayed on so unless you let Dik hold the spray gun?
Motor is currently in bits. waiting for the postie with my valves


Valves? ....anyone here read this?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Confederacy_of_Dunces

Ignatius J Reilly had a problem with valves......
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on January 14, 2013, 08:44:17 PM
I was thinking valves like the one you were going to pop on the phone about an hour ago
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 14, 2013, 08:49:02 PM
Yeah, fair call..... I was just running through the job-sheet in my head,
install torsen centre
attach BW yoke
don't lose all the parts
charge Motza.

two out of four ain't bad :roll:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on January 14, 2013, 11:05:28 PM
It may be that he is a crook
In other news, just picked up the little Ducati from Tulla.
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 15, 2013, 02:02:43 AM
...there also the possibility he took me as a lightweight, I can do a seamless impression of someone who's got no-idea what they're talking about, it can be useful sometimes. That and a combination of not being interested in what we are doing with this car could well put someone in a "coin-operated" frame of mind. Having a clientele who drag race sedans paid for by meth labs could also cause one to lose perspective a little too, plus If you're not running a nine inch you're just f***** around aren't ya?

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on January 15, 2013, 09:07:38 AM
...there also the possibility he took me as a lightweight, I can do a seamless impression of someone who's got no-idea what they're talking about, it can be useful sometimes. That and a combination of not being interested in what we are doing with this car could well put someone in a "coin-operated" frame of mind. Having a clientele who drag race sedans paid for by meth labs could also cause one to lose perspective a little too, plus If you're not running a nine inch you're just f***** around aren't ya?

There are guys who bolt together race cars, and then there are those who build race cars.  You fall into the latter category. 

The fellow who wanted to fleece you for a $350.00?  Mail him a tea bag and instructions as to how to heat water with an Oxy - Acetylene torch. 

Maybe throw in a Summit Racing catalog.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on January 15, 2013, 12:33:02 PM
" I can do a seamless impression of someone who's got no-idea what they're talking about, it can be useful sometimes."

My good Dr., we southern boys get to LIVE that everyday we are outside the "South"   we sound so dumb to all but the "educated" --- the "educated" have generally experienced an education  :evil: some where along the line.  :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on January 15, 2013, 03:50:19 PM

Maybe throw in a Summit Racing catalog.


We would have to send out for a Summit catalogue. (Aus Spelling)

Maybe a Rocket Industries catalogue.

This came in the post yesterday, the orange one, not the dirty grey one
and in the background, the current workshop. Even a real estate agents photographer couldn't make that shed look big
G
(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc28/grumm441/350002_zpsb5a0b374.jpg)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 15, 2013, 04:05:48 PM
Sheesh, I thought the grey one was cool, that's like a whole 'nother dimension. :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

It is "yours" isn't it, or was it bought for someone else?........

Now, I can't help but notice what looks to be an engine in that there shed, how's that goin?  :-)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on January 15, 2013, 04:24:34 PM
Waiting for valves
waiting for valves
waiting for valves
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Jon on January 15, 2013, 08:12:30 PM
Very nice, is it as mechanically good as it looks?

Do the new valves have longer stems to help with the rocker geometry?

jon
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 15, 2013, 09:07:43 PM
I had a dog called Ollie who had a special ear for engine sounds. She could identify a friends car or bike minutes before they arrived, she had a special thing for Grumm, and for some reason she had a special thing for that Duke single. Generally if someone we knew was coming over she'd start whining and staring at you like it was tea-time, then she'd bark a few times and finally when they parked out the front she'd bark at the front door......this is long before they knocked, meanwhile cars could be driving past, idling out the front, she wouldn't care. When Graham was arriving on that Duke single she'd get the anxiety shakes and when he pulled up she'd be throwing herself against the door and wailing like something possessed. We could never quite work out whatit was that drove  her so crazy. Although she was a spayed bitch she had something about humping Graham's leg, that's all we can put it down to.

All I can say is that dog had special powers.

She had organ failure in the end, the morning after I had her put to sleep my ex sent me an email from France asking if she was OK as she'd had a dream about her, no she wasn't I said she'd shuffled off right about the time you had that dream.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: wobblywalrus on January 15, 2013, 09:40:27 PM
You don't need no valves.  Leave them out and run it as a two stroke.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on January 15, 2013, 11:11:21 PM
I had a dog called Ollie ... We could never quite work out whatit was that drove  her so crazy. Although she was a spayed bitch she had something about humping Graham's leg, that's all we can put it down to.

All I can say is that dog had special powers.


Hey Doc, a question, his good leg or the other one....  :roll:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on January 15, 2013, 11:45:41 PM
No. I would have had to get custom valves because of the small diameters.
I'm running 10° valve locs with a fancy shape that holds a lash cap so there is more top and I should be able to get the valves out at the end of the meeting because the ends will not be so hammered.
I also received three http://www.msdignition.com/Products/Coils/Stock_Replacement/8224_-_GM_Coil_Pack,_2_Tower_Style.aspx
which should either burn holes in the pistons or keep the flame alive
Anyhow. I have some yellow wiring to get back to
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on January 16, 2013, 12:28:55 AM
Anyhow. I have some yellow wiring to get back to
G

Ahhh - a Lucas Loom - don't let the smoke out.

Monochromatic would make sense.  Odd color, though.  I’ve seen them in orange and bright red, albeit only for short periods of time.
 
Eventually they tend to become mostly black. 
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 16, 2013, 01:17:02 AM
 In an effort to put things right I've done you a diagram Grumm, it's as I remember how it went, you should be able to sort it from here....

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/P1160120.jpg)

trust me , I'm an expert in yellowness, just for the fun of it see if you can find me in this shot..hint, I'm the guy with the pot gut standing next to guy with the big shirt on..... standing with some Limeys......

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/Image1.jpg)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Tman on January 16, 2013, 01:26:55 AM
Looks like my wiring! Make sure add another Yellow to ground!@ :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on January 16, 2013, 01:44:22 AM
Yep, Yellow, with green terminals
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Jon on January 16, 2013, 02:01:32 AM
I'm running 10° valve locs with a fancy shape that holds a lash cap

At the risk of sound like more of a tosser than normal, is turning up some lash caps an opportunity to fix some of the rocker geometry sagas?

Those coils will give you a blue spark, I think James would prefer yellow ones.

jon
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on January 16, 2013, 08:04:05 AM
I would make the lash caps out of yellonium.  :cheers: Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on January 16, 2013, 10:20:00 AM

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/P1160120.jpg)


Grummy, that resistor will be a 440 K.
 
Looking over the schematic, I'm a bit confused.  I'm not seeing provisions for a power supply, so should I assume you're using passive banana technology?  Very old school.  Just be careful of potassium electrolytic discharge.  If you switch out to an active banana, I’d try to find some sort of latex sheath, and wrap it tight before I used it.  A lot less clean-up should it blow.
 
Or you could just shunt it to frame.

It's good that you have the smoke reservoir in the circuit.  Once the banana discharges, it gives the circuit time to recharge.

Again, very old school. 
     
If you want to further tune the engine, I'd suggest an audio taper pot. 
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 16, 2013, 03:53:32 PM
[Looking over the schematic, I'm a bit confused. 

In which case you should leave it to a qualified Yelectrician. :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Tman on January 16, 2013, 04:05:10 PM
^^^^^^^^^^^thats bad!
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on January 16, 2013, 04:35:44 PM
I'm not sure about the red coils, and this year I think we'll use ceramic ducks
G
(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc28/grumm441/Yellow5_zpsc9aa89a9.jpg)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on January 16, 2013, 05:08:17 PM
Stand back, citizens, the man has a banana sheath.

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Tman on January 16, 2013, 05:51:00 PM
Stand back, citizens, the man has a banana sheath.



Looks a tad uncomfortable compared to what I had in mind! :-o
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 16, 2013, 05:55:51 PM
yeah, you can't beat new age ceramics......

Stand back, citizens, the man has a banana sheath.

There is nothing he cannot do, no tool he does not have.....but I have to admit, that one surprised even me.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on January 16, 2013, 06:25:58 PM

In which case you should leave it to a qualified Yelectrician. :cheers:


Grummy, that resistor will be a 440 K.


   :wink:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_color_code
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on January 16, 2013, 06:48:25 PM
You didn't include a proper phase inverter.  See attached schematic diaphram:

(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/509%20Dukes%20Road%20stuff/RearaxialSoftspeakerrear.jpg)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on January 16, 2013, 08:47:49 PM
You didn't include a proper phase inverter.  See attached schematic diaphram:

(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/509%20Dukes%20Road%20stuff/RearaxialSoftspeakerrear.jpg)

I was looking at that,  but was worried I may not be able to use it because of the caution note relating to use within 200 feet of Aardvaarks as I have a Churanga in a case here, somewhere. It was then I remembered that a Churanga is made from an Armadillo and not an Aardvaark.
Also, it's not a Banana Sheath, it an SFI certified Banana scatter shield.
I couldn't find an energy Polariser so I used a mop bucket
And Yes, this is not the final layout and my ducks will be in a row when it's finished

In another note, did you know that Aardvarks used to be called Zardvarks, and it wasn't until Noah started calling up animals two by two, that the Zardvarks, not liking to hang around with the Zebra's, and in an effort to get a better room, pushed to the front of line, which was incidentally being called up in alphabetical order, and told Noah that the big man had changed their name to the Aardvark.

However, I digress, Wayno,  I ordered yellonium lash caps from Summit and the y said they were a backorder item, so I will be going with the Cheesium ones that I already have
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stan Back on January 16, 2013, 09:11:05 PM
It's pretty easy to get yellow caps from Jeg's.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Buickguy3 on January 16, 2013, 10:53:29 PM
  Check the U.S. laws before you come here with that banana sheath. Could be illegal here by then if it's an assault banana.
   Doug  :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on January 16, 2013, 11:44:29 PM
Wasn't that the 23 "e piss el" :cry: issued today  by BHO
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on January 17, 2013, 12:12:57 AM
Now your all being silly
I'm in Australia
Australian federal law sates that it's only legally allowed to hold a single Banana
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Jon on January 17, 2013, 01:16:17 AM
The single banana rule is different in Queensland, we can have a bunch of them pre-bent, it's after we bend them before shipping down south that you can only have one.

I digress though because they aren't yellow then...

jon
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Rex Schimmer on January 17, 2013, 01:31:42 AM
It is obvious that the differential girdle spring is out of phase with the modal interaction of the magneto reluctance coil which is probably due to a failure of the lotus O deltoid wiring  scheme. A quick re-phasing of the dingle arm should completely clear up your problems.

Rex
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 17, 2013, 02:18:42 AM
OK rock-apes back on topic, back to laughing about things that I f*** up.

When I put the Borg-Warner pinion yoke on I failed to check the rotation. When I did so later I found that it was locked, hmmm. Seems I overtightened it and crushed the crush thingo in it. I rang the diff man today and he said "I'll just make you up some shims, you can just dismantle it and put them in instead of the crush-spacer", fair enough I thought , that makes sense.

When I got home I undid it, when I went to drive the yoke off it had other ideas despite me putting anti-seize in it.Yes I know I should use a slide hammer, but I just took a BFH and a heavier rod and it came off, with the front seal.It seems in my haste to check my memory and see if the BW yoke would fit I didn't check the size of the dust cover and whaddayaknow? It was an interference fit around the seal. :roll: , the pinion wouldn't turn because the lip of the dust cover was jammed between the seal and the housing....Diff-man had already told me it was unlikely that I'd hurt anything which was a relief, but this was better news.

I figure in our application where the diff is completely enclosed in the bodywork the dust cover isn't a critical item so it won't matter if I just take the little lip off it. So, just as I was about to draw strength that I wasn't such a klutz I managed to seize defeat from the jaws of victory....however nothings wrecked so maybe I can call it a draw.

Rex, you'd be the kind of guy who'd peel his bananas up-side down.

Grumm, just in case you run short...

http://www.surplustraders.net/specs/me481.php
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 17, 2013, 02:29:45 AM

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/P1160120.jpg)


Grummy, that resistor will be a 440 K.
 
Looking over the schematic, I'm a bit confused.  I'm not seeing provisions for a power supply, so should I assume you're using passive banana technology?  Very old school.  Just be careful of potassium electrolytic discharge.  If you switch out to an active banana, I’d try to find some sort of latex sheath, and wrap it tight before I used it.  A lot less clean-up should it blow.



Mate, you can clearly see at the top in the middle of the schematic a part labelled "big power thing" which is connected between the energy polariser and the "boxish thing" with yellow wires. If you haven't got anything sensible to contribute then please refrain from cluttering our thread, we've got a race car to prepare. :roll:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: wobblywalrus on January 17, 2013, 09:31:55 PM
That solid core wire in the catalog.  I had a roll of that stuff.  We call it doorbell wire here.  There were problems with the wire breaking from handling and vibration.  Now I use the stranded counterpart.  No problems after I made the change.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Jon on January 18, 2013, 12:22:55 AM
Sounds like Broken Hill String.
Lived on a station out there and did School of the air when little.
I guess they used it in the mines, everything was tied up with it, was yellow too.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 18, 2013, 02:07:22 AM
I went  down to Pomborneit to pick up our trailer from the Reverend's farm where his mother in law lives. No she didn't shoot at me Grumm. I hitched the trailer up, yes Dik I put all those rocks on the drystone wall. As I'd been kicking the leaf rubbish out of the tray I noticed that part of the decking seemed loose.... I pulled it out a metre or so and got out of the car to give it another look over. It's totaled. The lower part of the outside rail on the drivers side had fallen off and was surrounded by a pile of rust. I crouched down and looked underneath , the problem with the deck was easy to see. About half the floor members are gone, the trailer wouldn't have made it home, a car would crush it.....this particular trailer has never been to the salt, go figure.

So I drove home, yeah two hours.

Yesterday I was in Morwell and saw an F100 short wheelbase pickup for sale, I pulled over and had a look, it was really straight, clean and rust free, 302, 4 speed, 150l LPG 125l fuel. I spoke to the guy, he'd bought it new in 76 and used it as his work truck. Ten years ago he did a full body off the frame resto, new motor,gearbox, radiator, suspension everything, has all the photos, all the receipts.......I am torn, old guys truck, side of the road, he's already replaced it.....it's a good buy and talking to a friend who has one he reckons if it's rust free it's worth every cent or more.....

We have the trailer belonging to Pete that we have used before on offer but we need something a little bigger than Grumm's van to tow that with, hence the F100 is lookin pretty good.

So much to do, so little time.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: generatorshovel on January 18, 2013, 02:43:35 AM
Sounds like Broken Hill String.
Lived on a station out there and did School of the air when little.
I guess they used it in the mines, everything was tied up with it, was yellow too.
Well done Jon, now the cats outa the bag, everyone will want a roll  :roll:
PLEASE don't tell anyone it also makes GREAT fuse wire, melts # 30 amps

It used to come in cribtin (metal lunch containers that are rat proof) sized rolls, now it comes in 1000 mtr rolls, the cribtin sizes have increased to cater for the change .

I had a roll magically appear in my front yard last year (No2, as No1 only lasted 14 yrs)

Tiny
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on January 18, 2013, 09:19:02 AM
In the back of my mind, I was wondering about transport.  I remember you sold the flatbed a while back.

If the Aussie F-100 is the same as the American, you'll find that to be a pretty strong, servicable truck.  That it's a shorty simply makes me - once again - jealous of your tow vehicle.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on January 18, 2013, 05:26:34 PM
In the back of my mind, I was wondering about transport.  I remember you sold the flatbed a while back.

If the Aussie F-100 is the same as the American, you'll find that to be a pretty strong, servicable truck.  That it's a shorty simply makes me - once again - jealous of your tow vehicle.

Yep
Except they cost more, and the steering wheel is on the right side
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on January 18, 2013, 05:32:09 PM
If the Aussie F-100 is the same as the American, you'll find that to be a pretty strong, servicable truck. 

Yep
Except they cost more, and the steering wheel is on the right side
G

So it has the steering wheel on the left?  or is the wheel on the wrong side?  :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 18, 2013, 10:18:18 PM
Grumm, did you turn on the pedant tractor beam? ....we've got some stuck to the outer skin of the ship :roll:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on January 18, 2013, 11:32:33 PM
Grumm, did you turn on the pedant tractor beam? ....we've got some stuck to the outer skin of the ship :roll:

Can't be Stainless, he's austenitic.

. . . hmmm . . .

Well, then, I think this is my asteroid. 
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on January 19, 2013, 02:02:59 AM
Putting on my foil hat
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on January 19, 2013, 08:38:22 AM
You didn't include a proper phase inverter.  See attached schematic diaphram:

(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/509%20Dukes%20Road%20stuff/RearaxialSoftspeakerrear.jpg)

I was looking at that,  but was worried I may not be able to use it because of the caution note relating to use within 200 feet of Aardvaarks as I have a Churanga in a case here, somewhere. It was then I remembered that a Churanga is made from an Armadillo and not an Aardvaark.
Also, it's not a Banana Sheath, it an SFI certified Banana scatter shield.
I couldn't find an energy Polariser so I used a mop bucket
And Yes, this is not the final layout and my ducks will be in a row when it's finished

In another note, did you know that Aardvarks used to be called Zardvarks, and it wasn't until Noah started calling up animals two by two, that the Zardvarks, not liking to hang around with the Zebra's, and in an effort to get a better room, pushed to the front of line, which was incidentally being called up in alphabetical order, and told Noah that the big man had changed their name to the Aardvark.

However, I digress, Wayno,  I ordered yellonium lash caps from Summit and the y said they were a backorder item, so I will be going with the Cheesium ones that I already have
G

Colonel, that reply was over one sentence long... is everything ok or are procrastinating or something?

Whatever it is, you've changed man. is it the new bike?

Dik
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 19, 2013, 09:35:52 PM
...well spotted, he's been running off at the mouth.

Minor freakout just now, seemed like my calcs may have been wrong and there wasn't enough room for the tailshaft with the existing gearbox cross-member mounts......that would have junked my last few days of toil because it would have meant remaking the tailshaft..... crisis averted , I've got it sitting in place . I've just chased out the threads in the bell-housing, nothing like hi-grade cheesium for good quality threads :roll:

Hey Colonel, tell me one of those bolts in the back of the gearbox was put there as a joke....yes the one that seemed to have a 3/8 UNC thread but a "tween-size" head???????Anyway, they're all new in there now.

Next job set-up the bellhousing, throw out and slave cylinder just to make sure everythings there, serviceable and ready to fit up.... I wish I'd gone to bed earlier last night.........
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on January 19, 2013, 11:30:53 PM

Hey Colonel, tell me one of those bolts in the back of the gearbox was put there as a joke....yes the one that seemed to have a 3/8 UNC thread but a "tween-size" head???????Anyway, they're all new in there now.


Bolt's? Gearbox? I got some screws off some guy named Allen.
The bolts were what came out of it
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 20, 2013, 06:42:37 AM
The Colonel dropped the box and bell-housing off yesterday so I could get started fitting up the shift and the tail-shaft.It also meant I could fit the clutch line...I had a bit of trouble stopping the fitting at the base of the master cylinder from leaking, (lower right in pic)

(http://pbr190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/P1200131.jpg)

it seems I just hadn't done it up tight enough..after that it all pressurized up fine, those welding vice-grips are just right for holding the slave cylinder while I bleed it....
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/P1200127.jpg?t=1358680633)

I sat the scatter-shield on top of the bell-housing so you can see how it goes together there.....

when you have to make one of these special construction things there are place where you have to find something that will work before you make what you will use, the prototype. Sometimes the prototype doesn't get replaced, our shift mechanism on the gearbox is a perfect example...it's a mongrelised, jerry built bastard of an arrangement.(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/P1200126.jpg)

 I have several ideas that would work well, but in the mean time it has to stay, soon, it will be replaced...The main problem we faced was that the shift cables could only approach around the bellhousing, so the shift needed to be extended outwards in order to make it work...note there is no other path for the shift mechanism,it's about building it with finer tolerances.

Here's the new steering column boss that Vaughn our tame fitter and turner made during the week..

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/P1200121.jpg)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on January 20, 2013, 07:19:04 AM

Here's the new steering column boss that Vaugn our tame fitter and turner made during the week..

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/P1200121.jpg)

Nice Work Vaugn

Eric just emailed me to say it was awesome.

G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on January 20, 2013, 08:22:41 AM
The problem withthe gear linkages is that they are not painted yellow. Although I would push for another colour... blue?

That scattershield looks like it needs a freshen up too...

That's an interesting shot seeing the scattershield without the motor, looks like we built it pretty tight!

Keep going chaps, I have put seatbelts in the back of the traveller now, all good, but if it doesn't stop snowing I wont be able to put the front ones in...

Rev.H.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 20, 2013, 04:24:51 PM

here's a shot of the new padding arrangement inside the cab....

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/P1200122-1.jpg?t=1358716505)

I used some stainless cable-ties to secure the bar pads, I cut the ends of them off and folded them over nicely before poking them in behind the clip so they would cut anyone, shame I inserted the end of one of them into my finger in the process.I'm yet to decide how I'll attach the piece above the helmet, it's just jammed there at the moment..

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/P1200133.jpg)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on January 20, 2013, 05:07:15 PM
Looking good James. The nice thing is they'll never come into play.  :wink: Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 20, 2013, 05:29:21 PM
Looking good James. The nice thing is they'll never come into play.  :wink: Wayno

Like you said Wayno, here's to them never being used.........

you may notice something in this shot peeking through the steering wheel......

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/P1200121.jpg)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 21, 2013, 07:37:28 PM

when you have to make one of these special construction things there are place where you have to find something that will work before you make what you will use, the prototype. Sometimes the prototype doesn't get replaced, our shift mechanism on the gearbox is a perfect example...it's a mongrelised, jerry built bastard of an arrangement.(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/P1200126.jpg)

 I have several ideas that would work well, but in the mean time it has to stay, soon, it will be replaced...The main problem we faced was that the shift cables could only approach around the bellhousing, so the shift needed to be extended outwards in order to make it work...note there is no other path for the shift mechanism,it's about building it with finer tolerances.

The idea for the gearbox means making a faceplate to hang off the shift side of the box to give a greater bearing area for the shafts that extend out, then they can be supported at the outside end with a bearing, that should make for a much more snickworthy shift. It was a relief that when I hooked the cables up ( after them being removed from the car by being cut) they seemed to shift AOK on the weekend.

Something else I did on the weekend was re-route the clutch line....... In this shot obviously the collector passes through where the vice-grips are, now the clutch line avoids this area by going to the outside of the scatter shield and heading in from the top.

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/P1200127.jpg?t=1358680633)

I am also considering converting to dot.5 brake fluid because there is no mess free way to deal with fluids in the POS , I mean SOS, plus trying to bleed the brake and clutch by yourself means you inevitably get fluid on the paintwork...in fact the only rust on the frame was where the paint had been attacked by brake fluid, dot 5 is a lot more forgiving, next year it will be re-kitted and I'll fill it .
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Jon on January 21, 2013, 09:17:29 PM
Looking good
An outboard plate and bushes would make for a nice shift.
Are you still running twin levers up front?

Cheers
jon
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 22, 2013, 12:00:23 AM
yup two sticks, I expect after having a drive this year I will hear less from the Colonel about going back to an H pattern , and more about refining the two stick deal..there is precious little room for anything that moves sideways, well there is a spot for it but that is in a spot where your arm has little mobility.....that was what we started with.

That arrangement we have has support on the outside, but it could be ten times more precise and ten times easier to dismantle....
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Kiwi Paul on January 22, 2013, 12:28:17 AM
Doc--I`m not a great fan of Dot5 or silicon based brake fluid. I have found the minimal water absorbtion claims to be dubious at best, and I have had bad experiences with compatability problems in calipers , wheel cylinders and master cylinders from swelling and softening of rubber components. The chinese or offshore `rubber` in replacement parts now has quite a large amount of `filler` added into the compound, and seems to make the problem more acute. I`m sure there will be others on here that will disagree, and my brake tech experience is 20 years on (although I am still putting cars together) I weould hate to see you have a problem like this in the middle of nowhere. I know Dot4 fluid is corrosive, but some help with bleeding, lots of paper towels and rags and some Non Chlorinated Brakleen still works for me....just saying.... :roll:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Jon on January 22, 2013, 02:08:01 PM
yup two sticks, I expect after having a drive this year I will hear less from the Colonel about going back to an H pattern , and more about refining the two stick deal

So he's had his medical or his military one is still current.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on January 22, 2013, 04:19:18 PM
When am I going to have time to drive it
I'm going to busier than a very busy person

and, while I was writing the inlet valves arrived
So, as I have tomorrow off ....
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: saltracer1 on January 22, 2013, 04:51:00 PM
my experience with Dot 5 was not goog either. Killed a Wilwood master cylinder and brake light pressure switch. could be wrong, but I don't use it anymore. Phil
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Jon on January 22, 2013, 04:52:23 PM
If you want something done, give it to a busy person.

Bussier than a cat covering Subaru on a marble slab and 6 Subaru's behind?

Want me to bring my fire suit and compliant helmet for you to use?

jon
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: salt27 on January 22, 2013, 08:34:06 PM
At sea level with silicon brake fluid I had a nice hard pedal, good. :-)

At 4000" pedal goes to the floor, not so good. :-o

Back at sea level nice hard pedal, what the heck. :?

Results may vary.

   Don
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Geo on January 22, 2013, 09:02:10 PM
Silicone fluid is infused with minute air bubbles. At sea level they are as small as they can be. At 4000 ft they expand due to the reduced atmospheric pressure and become small air bubbles. The increase in air (size of bubble) in the fluid causes the pedal to travel further; all the way to the floor. The same thing happens when subjected to high heat, how hot was it last summer?

Geo
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on January 24, 2013, 02:34:00 AM
Heads are assembled
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 24, 2013, 03:23:59 AM
you beaut,just as I was about to ask :cheers:

So I won't be bothering with the dot.5 then......
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on January 24, 2013, 07:45:45 AM
YEAH  Grumm   :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: 38flattie on January 24, 2013, 07:51:14 AM
yup two sticks, I expect after having a drive this year I will hear less from the Colonel about going back to an H pattern , and more about refining the two stick deal..there is precious little room for anything that moves sideways, well there is a spot for it but that is in a spot where your arm has little mobility.....that was what we started with.

That arrangement we have has support on the outside, but it could be ten times more precise and ten times easier to dismantle....

James, instead of 2 sticks, have you thought about trying to adapt an inline shifter, like a Vertigate?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on January 24, 2013, 11:13:24 AM
Probably a little late to re-engineer a shifter - Feb 18 and the fun begins. 

My question is will you have time to run in or dyno the engine before you go?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on January 24, 2013, 11:21:14 AM
JUMP BACK, JACKSON!  :-o

I just went over the pre-entry for Gairdner - you're running fuel this year?  :?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 24, 2013, 03:35:02 PM
yup two sticks, I expect after having a drive this year I will hear less from the Colonel about going back to an H pattern , and more about refining the two stick deal..there is precious little room for anything that moves sideways, well there is a spot for it but that is in a spot where your arm has little mobility.....that was what we started with.

That arrangement we have has support on the outside, but it could be ten times more precise and ten times easier to dismantle....

James, instead of 2 sticks, have you thought about trying to adapt an inline shifter, like a Vertigate?

yeah, we have considered various options. The main issue is the space we have, so yeah a sequential is a possibility, yeah shut up Grumm. It hasn't really been an issue for me. As Chris said, time is an issue and as far as urgency there are a few other things I'd change before the shifter.


JUMP BACK, JACKSON!  :-o

I just went over the pre-entry for Gairdner - you're running fuel this year?  :?

No we just enter fuel class so we get our names on both sides of the book. We also have the little cheater guards for the back wheels so we can run E/GS if we want....that might be you Grumm.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on January 24, 2013, 04:26:37 PM
So is Dik coming or are you running in two classes

Just got to go and buy some 7.850 pushrods then it's back together
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Jon on January 24, 2013, 05:15:35 PM
Just got to go and buy some 7.850 pushrods then it's back together
G
Nice, off to the Dyno or straight in?

jon
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on January 24, 2013, 05:49:25 PM
Dyno???
No
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: racergeo on January 24, 2013, 08:47:34 PM
  About 300 metric HP. Or 200 U.S. If it aint leaking oil and water all over who cares how much power she makes! :evil:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Jon on January 24, 2013, 09:22:31 PM
  About 300 metric HP. Or 200 U.S. If it aint leaking oil and water all over who cares how much power she makes! :evil:

Yep, dynos are usefull for a lot of things other than just getting a hp graph for bragging to your mates.
Some things are better found near home.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on January 24, 2013, 10:47:03 PM
It spent three days on an engine dyno about a year ago, not much has changed but pushrods and gaskets
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on January 25, 2013, 12:03:05 AM
It spent three days on an engine dyno about a year ago, not much has changed but pushrods and gaskets
G

And rear diff and shifter, and hey, when was the last time you knew for certain the fuel pump was keeping up? 

Just sayin' - at this point, I'd test it as a package.  Not for numbers, just to re-prove the concept.

Three hours on a chassis dyno, check the A/F, make sure the valvetrain is staying put, that the car still shifts and stays in gear and that the diff isn't welding itself together - tweak the rest of it on the salt.  Turn around is a lot faster on a chassis dyno than waiting in line on the salt.  Parts availability is also better in town.

Yeah, I know, I know - back to my asteroid . . .
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on January 25, 2013, 01:15:43 AM





G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 25, 2013, 02:24:22 AM
And rear diff and shifter, and hey, when was the last time you knew for certain the fuel pump was keeping up? 

Just sayin' - at this point, I'd test it as a package.  Not for numbers, just to re-prove the concept.

Three hours on a chassis dyno, check the A/F, make sure the valvetrain is staying put, that the car still shifts and stays in gear and that the diff isn't welding itself together - tweak the rest of it on the salt.  Turn around is a lot faster on a chassis dyno than waiting in line on the salt.  Parts availability is also better in town.

Yeah, I know, I know - back to my asteroid . . .


Chassis-dyno? hahaha, hahahahahahahaha........we'd be paying for three hours loading the freakin thing IN THERE....The amount of time it takes to load and unload this thing, even if it didn't have the body on, is ridiculous

Good points Chris but we can really only consider engine dyno's.

The fuel pump is almost capable of outstripping a bowser, it's a Bosch 910.

Now, today I went shopping. Checked her over properly, recabbed ten years ago she's had a little bit of work on the lower doors but is essentially rust free. 302 has 70kmiles, suspension is all fresh as are the brakes, new exhaust, two batteries, two spares, floor and chassis are rust free and super straight. It has 125l Gasoline and 150l LPG.

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/GetAttachment-3.jpg)

These are made for putting a push bar on.....

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/GetAttachment-4.jpg)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on January 25, 2013, 05:09:45 AM
It's going to need some giant mirrors, with lights on the front
and three orange or green lights on the sun visor.
but it looks good otherwise
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on January 25, 2013, 05:21:08 AM
I'm just thinking about how easy it would be to put the whole car on a dyno
1 inch of ground clearance
no radiator
geared to make maximum hp at 200+ mph

G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 25, 2013, 07:29:31 AM
Comes with giant mirrors, and electric brake controller.

Has three moving parts.

Oh, and stickers.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Tman on January 25, 2013, 09:54:18 AM

Goggs, if you look at Tims Unibody thread on the HAMB or other shots of our teams push rig you can see what we run for a pusher. Tims tow rig is the same as you just bought. I will see if i have a shot of it somewhere.



And rear diff and shifter, and hey, when was the last time you knew for certain the fuel pump was keeping up? 

Just sayin' - at this point, I'd test it as a package.  Not for numbers, just to re-prove the concept.

Three hours on a chassis dyno, check the A/F, make sure the valvetrain is staying put, that the car still shifts and stays in gear and that the diff isn't welding itself together - tweak the rest of it on the salt.  Turn around is a lot faster on a chassis dyno than waiting in line on the salt.  Parts availability is also better in town.

Yeah, I know, I know - back to my asteroid . . .


Chassis-dyno? hahaha, hahahahahahahaha........we'd be paying for three hours loading the freakin thing IN THERE....The amount of time it takes to load and unload this thing, even if it didn't have the body on, is ridiculous

Good points Chris but we can really only consider engine dyno's.

The fuel pump is almost capable of outstripping a bowser, it's a Bosch 910.

Now, today I went shopping. Checked her over properly, recabbed ten years ago she's had a little bit of work on the lower doors but is essentially rust free. 302 has 70kmiles, suspension is all fresh as are the brakes, new exhaust, two batteries, two spares, floor and chassis are rust free and super straight. It has 125l Gasoline and 150l LPG.

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/GetAttachment-3.jpg)

These are made for putting a push bar on.....

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/GetAttachment-4.jpg)

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on January 25, 2013, 10:11:48 AM
Find someone with a Dyno like this, one of the manufacturers of these is on your side of the world.  Pull the tires off, mount the adapter hubs, bolt on the dyno.  No tire issues, no tying down, no clearance issues, takes about 30 minutes for one person to have a car ready to go.
Don't fret the no radiator thing, just keep changing water and blow air in the oil pan or cooler between runs.  They do way more than just sweep runs and handle about 250 MPH.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Rex Schimmer on January 25, 2013, 01:19:42 PM
Stainless,
That is an interesting dyno. Does it measure torque/hp by accelerating a flywheel or is there some sort of electric motor/generator in the red boxes that applies load? What is the make?

Rex
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: ol38y on January 25, 2013, 01:43:27 PM
It's going to need some giant mirrors, with lights on the front
and three orange or green lights on the sun visor.
but it looks good otherwise
G

Ya forgot the fuzzy dice and dingle balls to hang around the windshield top...  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SaltPeter on January 25, 2013, 03:23:25 PM
Stainless,
That is an interesting dyno. Does it measure torque/hp by accelerating a flywheel or is there some sort of electric motor/generator in the red boxes that applies load? What is the make?

Rex

That is a Dynapack made in New Zealand,  http://www.dynapack.com/
I used one over here in Brisbane to do my Subaru Drag car, I had problems with wheelspin on a Roller because of the Independent rear end.
On the Dynapack it was great it eliminates wheel slip.

Pete :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: rgn on January 25, 2013, 03:57:38 PM
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/GetAttachment-3.jpg)

That's a sweet looking old 100 series Doc.  Are you going to fit a rear window guitar rack?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 25, 2013, 05:43:21 PM
No geetar rack, I will be fitting a Holden talisman to ward off evil Ford spirits....we don't want this thing to get antsy because it is towing a Holden.

The "swoosh" on the side of it was to match the caravan( trailer-home) that it was used to tow, right there is it's stamp of grandad authenticity.

The push bar will be simple, it has to be pretty low, and we ain't pushing a truck with it.


I love dingle-balls, there's a Spotlight fabric shop up the road, I might have to grab me some...... I'll skip the fluffies, it's enough of a roll of the dice depending on a Ford anyway......it's pretty sparse in here...hmmm that velour seat will be better than vinyl in the heat, but it's not gonna like that dust :roll:

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/GetAttachment-6.jpg)

Yes Grumm, I'll go and buy an ignition module.

I seem to remember that Maj got one of these air-borne with two bikes in the back on the way in in 2004, am i right?

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SaltPeter on January 25, 2013, 07:49:19 PM
Hey Doc

Nice Truck.  :cheers:

Worth checking out the Dynapack option for future upgrades anyway.
It might be a way of getting "Sunshine" on a Dyno when any future changes are made and help get the Tune in the ball park and making sure it all works ok .
I have no idea what these operators are like, but my experience with the actual Dynapack system as a Dyno was great, (Turbo Subaru) no ramp,Wheel it in,
up on 2 jack stands remove wheels and bolt on the Units,no tie downs, simple.

Dynapack Australia Pty Ltd
28 Harvester Avenue
Sunshine North
VIC, 3020
(03) 9311 0588

REVZONE:
8-10 Molan Street,
Ringwood VIC 3134
AUSTRALIA
http://www.revzone.com.au/contact-us/

On Dynos in general they are simply a tuning tool, once you have a baseline curve, then you can actually tell if the changes you have made worked or not.
I could not have got the engine Mods I made on my Bike to come together without using a Dyno.

Pete
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on January 25, 2013, 08:02:02 PM


Yes Grumm, I'll go and buy an ignition module.



I was somewhere this week where they had those ignition modules on special, now where the Fiat was it
I think I may also have one in the toolkit in my Monaro.
Don't ask. It's just there alright.

G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: maj on January 25, 2013, 08:16:52 PM
Airborne was right, only one bike , but i got to see the tailgate and daylight under that and all the gear  :-o

that last steep washout before the water tanks , very lucky to not leave the front end in there

Brilliant tow vehicle though, i keep looking at them thinking i need another and get rid of the BA ute
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 25, 2013, 10:07:03 PM
Hey Doc

Nice Truck.  :cheers:

Worth checking out the Dynapack option for future upgrades anyway.
It might be a way of getting "Sunshine" on a Dyno when any future changes are made and help get the Tune in the ball park and making sure it all works ok .
I have no idea what these operators are like, but my experience with the actual Dynapack system as a Dyno was great, (Turbo Subaru) no ramp,Wheel it in,
up on 2 jack stands remove wheels and bolt on the Units,no tie downs, simple.
Dynapack Australia Pty Ltd
28 Harvester Avenue
Sunshine North
Pete

Aw, I dunno Pete, they're so far away and all....


   1. Head north on Cornwall Rd/State Route 38 towards Cameron St
Go through 1 roundabout
   
   
   
850 m
   2. Turn left onto State Route 8    
   
   
1.2 km
   3. Turn right onto McIntyre Rd/State Route 41    
   
   
1.4 km
   4. Turn right onto Berkshire Rd    
   
   
130 m
   5. Turn left onto Steers St    
   
   
210 m
   6. Steers St turns right and becomes Ayton St    
   
   
210 m
   7. Turn left onto Arvona Ave    
   
   
270 m
   8. Take the 1st right on to Harvester Ave
Destination will be on the right
   
   
   
54 m
   
28 Harvester Ave
Sunshine North VIC 3020


I might just have a little chat to them about a bit of work .......

Airborne was right, only one bike , but i got to see the tailgate and daylight under that and all the gear  :-o

that last steep washout before the water tanks , very lucky to not leave the front end in there

Brilliant tow vehicle though, i keep looking at them thinking i need another and get rid of the BA ute

got a chuckle out of that :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SaltPeter on January 25, 2013, 11:38:52 PM
lol

Pete
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on January 26, 2013, 12:09:28 AM
Stainless,
That is an interesting dyno. Does it measure torque/hp by accelerating a flywheel or is there some sort of electric motor/generator in the red boxes that applies load? What is the make?

Rex

That one is actually a Land and Sea Dyno-Mite Axle Hub Eddy Current Dyno.  Uses 2 computer controlled absorbers, gives torque and hp like any dyno.  Absorbs about 1000 HP
http://www.land-and-sea.com/axle-hub_dyno/axle-hub-dyno.htm
Made in New Hampshire.  
It just takes the place of the tires, can do road programs, even race course programs, steady holds and sweeps at any rate.  Did a couple of 3.5K to 12.5K sweeps, 100 rpm per second... takes about the same time as a run at Bonneville.

James, at first I was thinking the place was on the other side of the country, then I noticed it was m not mi, so the guy is across town  :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on January 26, 2013, 04:10:28 AM
So is Dik coming or are you running in two classes

Just got to go and buy some 7.850 pushrods then it's back together
G

Dik is not coming. Colonel go the cheater guards streamliner option. I still have the full new streamliner body design development on my mind and it will be either BEAUTIFUL or very NASTY, unsure of the attitude to adopt yet but I am designing it in a way so that manufacture should be fast and relatively easy when we get to it...

dik

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 26, 2013, 05:29:07 AM
Brilliant tow vehicle though, i keep looking at them thinking i need another and get rid of the BA ute

Kind of like the difference between an open fire and a reverse cycle climate control system, obviously the latter is way more efficient, and more creature comfortable but on the dirt somewhere between Mt Ive and Iron Knob after a week in the middle of BFN I'm happy to deal with crank/fuel/spark and that ground clearance makes me feel a whole lot better if the road gets chewed up that we won't be using the tranny-pan as a bash plate.

Hey Maj, buy a pre 78 and you can club reg it....nice cheap insurance that way too.

So is Dik coming or are you running in two classes

Just got to go and buy some 7.850 pushrods then it's back together
G
Dik is not coming. Colonel go the cheater guards streamliner option. I still have the full new streamliner body design development on my mind and it will be either BEAUTIFUL or very NASTY, unsure of the attitude to adopt yet but I am designing it in a way so that manufacture should be fast and relatively easy when we get to it...
dik

Funny you should mention that.

For those who are thinking WTF?...We have long held a wish to build a streamliner body for the SOS, yeah, EVERYBODY else builds 'em with a narrow track, not just the smart guys. well we had a bit of a thing for the Shadoff and a couple of the other full width liners that were built in the 50's and early sixties and figured that  a drop on body wouldn't necessarily be that difficult, we have everything else.....it would amount to basically fitting the smallest body that would cover the wheels.....true to form the Rev wanted to build it outa wood.....we'll see about that.......

ps: vote one beautiful :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 27, 2013, 04:36:23 AM
Grumm and I spent the day on the car, we dropped the motor in and got busy hooking everything up. We had another go at the pinion yoke as the way I had done it added about half an inch to it, and that was too much once we got the motor in, the tail-shaft was binding, we used a spacer at the FRONT of the yoke and that allowed the pre-load to be right and gave us the free space we needed.That wasn't the last of the hassles back there though. When we set the pumpkin up it would have been good if we'd tilted it down ever so slightly....we didn't and that has given us real estate problems with the fuel tank and what I'll call the splatter shield. We had a big piece of channel that used to sit between the fuel tank and the tail-shaft, due to the different casting on the 10 bolt housing it took a lot of fettling and farnarkling to get it to all fit up. There is no rule specifying it but we feel a whole lot more comfortable with that piece there......we don't want a uni joint to let go at 7000rpm and send a piece into the bottom of the fuel tank......

Grumm had the pleasure of fighting with the crap gear shift arrangement, it went together in the end. We moved the battery to under the seat from where it used to be on the firewall, this makes it easier to shimmy the motor forward, that is what we'll need to do to effect a ratio change. Grumm looks to be about half way through the wiring, I nearly have the fuel system ready, then it's the cooling system........

we set up the go-pro for some time lapse....it mostly captured brain lapses....here our intrepid adventurers are about to engage in a light-sabre battle, I'm backing the guy with the blue square section, the other guy is all talk.......

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/GOPR4028.jpg?t=1359279106)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on January 27, 2013, 05:43:17 AM
Stupid gear shift
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Jon on January 27, 2013, 05:54:36 AM
You'll get used to it ;).
My suit will fit you, it's packed in my esky, it has new underwear :).

jon
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on January 27, 2013, 10:17:25 AM
ahh this means we may soon hear the snarly little "beastie want a be" new voice  ?????????????
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on January 27, 2013, 11:54:12 AM
For all of the "fettling and farnarkling", you guys have made huge progress in the last two weeks.

So it seems Sparky is hoping for an audio post card from Sunshine Skunkworks and Development.

I'd second that.

 :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on January 27, 2013, 12:08:09 PM
ooh... shiny...

And it's in the garage backwards! Why did n't we do that before?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 27, 2013, 05:17:34 PM
ooh... shiny...

And it's in the garage backwards! Why did n't we do that before?

I don't know other than that's the way we built it. Flipping it round made the last few bits I remembered redundant. I would have thought of all people Dik you'd have some by-line about the different message sent by being nose or tail into the garage.....nose out seems to give off the whiff of a challenge

I think the inherent truth is that that is the way the frame came off the truck when it came back from being blasted......

I'm trying to recreate the look of Marlo's shop with all the greenery....but of course that's where any similarity ends.....

I woke up this morning and thought " wow , I'm still alive"...the Colonel didn't kill me for using a grinder near his box of electrical parts.....

Now, especially for our cultural attache in Beerhaven here we have a shot of the crew working frantically after installing the "yellow boxish thing" which figured on the wiring diagram published a few pages back...( you'll see it there behind the towering V6), we're not sure what it'll do just yet, but we thought we'd put it in anyway.....this shot is taken , obviously, at the Paris end of the Spirit of Sunshine Landspeed Laboratory, Possum park and Sticker-torium before we moved her into the shed, out of the sun........

ahh this means we may soon hear the snarly little "beastie want a be" new voice  ?????????????

You betcha Bill, the moment we have it turning hydrocarbons into noise you guys will hear it... the last motor we had in there was about half as loud again as the previous one. I expect this will have dB's to burn, our neighbours are going to be dancing in the street.. :-D :-D :-D

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/WaitingforsaltGodot.jpg?t=1359323839)

And finally, just in case you're all wondering I have had some private tuition on the proper use and application of the GoPro from Tiny( GeneratorShovel)..... we'll be pitting together at Gairdner, wow, I might come home with some useable video.... :wink:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on January 27, 2013, 06:13:22 PM

Now, especially for our cultural attache in Beerhaven here we have a shot of the crew working frantically after installing the "yellow boxish thing" which figured on the wiring diagram published a few pages back...( you'll see it there behind the towering V6), we're not sure what it'll do just yet, but we thought we'd put it in anyway.....this shot is taken , obviously, at the Paris end of the Spirit of Sunshine Landspeed Laboratory, Possum park and Sticker-torium before we moved her into the shed, out of the sun........


Wow, not only is the yellow boxish thing in place, the power supply has been installed AND you're preventing the fence from flopping over into the neighbor's house while inspecting the tuck pointing on the chimney.

Your talents are manifold, my friend.  :-D

:cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: generatorshovel on January 27, 2013, 07:17:51 PM
[ I have had some private tuition on the proper use and application of the GoPro from Tiny( GeneratorShovel)..... we'll be pitting together at Gairdner, wow, I might come home with some useable video.... :wink:
[/quote]

Does that mean I can clutter the build diary with rubbish mate ?

(http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t24/generatorshovel/shower_zps5f1d73e5.jpg)

At least you wont stink this year  :-o
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 27, 2013, 08:00:15 PM
Sure, I'll trade you for some advice on how to make quotes appear properly in this thread......So, that thing you've built there ...are you going to be offering a colonic wash service lakeside?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: generatorshovel on January 27, 2013, 08:08:58 PM
Sure, I'll trade you for some advice on how to make quotes appear properly in this thread......So, that thing you've built there ...are you going to be offering a colonic wash service lakeside?

Only for those who appear "full of it "
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on January 27, 2013, 08:30:13 PM
Ja,es. if you learn how to make those highlighted quotes -- let me know, too.  I just copy and paste and add quotation marks fore and aft.  Since dang near everyone else knows how to do it "the right way" I guess that I oughta learn, too.  But please - you go first.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 27, 2013, 08:36:30 PM
Ja,es. if you learn how to make those highlighted quotes -- let me know, too.  I just copy and paste and add quotation marks fore and aft.  Since dang near everyone else knows how to do it "the right way" I guess that I oughta learn, too.  But please - you go first.

don't often see "ought"



Only for those who appear "full of it "

is that the way you mean?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on January 27, 2013, 08:53:23 PM
Yup - that's how I mean.

By the other way -- it's now a few minutes before 9 PM.  What time is it where you are?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: maj on January 27, 2013, 09:00:10 PM
1pm
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Captthundarr on January 27, 2013, 09:11:47 PM
1pm

Which day?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on January 27, 2013, 09:33:05 PM
1pm

Which day?
The next one.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on January 27, 2013, 09:33:54 PM
Greg, do you wanna tell him -- or should I?

Thunddarr, it's 1PM every day at this (well, that) time.  I thought you'd be able to figure out that all by yourself.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Rex Schimmer on January 27, 2013, 10:32:23 PM
Slim,
I think they talk in "code". They know but we are just along for the ride.

Rex
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Captthundarr on January 27, 2013, 11:21:11 PM
1pm

Which day?
The next one.

Oh good, I was afraid I missed it. Back to the festivities......
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on January 28, 2013, 01:54:13 AM
Funny, I thought it angle grinder o'clock
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on January 28, 2013, 03:57:46 AM
Funny, I thought it angle grinder o'clock
G

I heard a story where someone was in a supermarket and heard the checkout chick ask for a " price check on a angel grinder..."

It made me think of a about seven ideas for a painting.

And for accuracy sake I think that chimney was weatherstruck, not tuck pointed...

rH+
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: PJQ on January 28, 2013, 09:42:15 PM
Quote
...I will be fitting a Holden talisman to ward off evil Ford spirits...

I'll be sure to wear Ford undies for the trip (was born to a Ford drivin' family) classy ride by the way, thoroughly approved!

The old Troopy has velour seats and they've survived half a dozen SpeedWeek poundings.
Gota chat about trailer logistics... old Troopy is sucking H20 into the sump oil, I don't think it would go cross town with the trailer hooked up. Hoping it's only a head gasket, but the volume has me thinking worse case scenario.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 28, 2013, 10:52:54 PM
Quote
...I will be fitting a Holden talisman to ward off evil Ford spirits...

I'll be sure to wear Ford undies for the trip (was born to a Ford drivin' family) classy ride by the way, thoroughly approved!

The old Troopy has velour seats and they've survived half a dozen SpeedWeek poundings.
Gota chat about trailer logistics... old Troopy is sucking H20 into the sump oil, I don't think it would go cross town with the trailer hooked up. Hoping it's only a head gasket, but the volume has me thinking worse case scenario.


Cracked block? only thing worse than that is a blocked crack......

Is it in Brunnie? if so I'll grab it the night before, with your stuff and you can mosey the next morning.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on January 29, 2013, 03:20:21 AM
a Holden Talisman? Surely that is Brocky's Energy Polariser...
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on February 01, 2013, 05:13:13 AM
How's that F truck Goggles
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 01, 2013, 06:16:36 AM
1pm

Which day?
The next one.

Oh good, I was afraid I missed it. Back to the festivities......

You'd fit right in here.... :roll:

I picked up the F-Truck and dropped in to see Wayne Mumford the owner/builder of the Wazavudu....

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v316/DrewfusDesigns/SaltStuff/vudu002.jpg)

had a great chat with him , he won't make no the salt this year. He's got a little 500cc Kubota with a blower and a turbo that he's planning on working up for the little tank too,for the time being though it has a MR2 motor in it, great guy, great stuff.

The F100 is spot on, really straight, drives well at highway speed, sounds fantastic, two spares, heaps of fuel, just the job.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: wobblywalrus on February 01, 2013, 10:00:15 PM
Do you have a picture of the Ford?  Just wondering if they are the same as the ones here, except for the side the driver is on?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Tman on February 02, 2013, 10:26:22 AM
Do you have a picture of the Ford?  Just wondering if they are the same as the ones here, except for the side the driver is on?

look back a page or two
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 02, 2013, 05:05:47 PM
from a few pages back Bo.

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/65213_380951688667917_1541753509_n.jpg)

The Colonel spent the whole day wiring. I made the push bar, fitted the heat shield for the starter-motor , bled up the clutch and started sorting through the gear and crap we have to take with us.

It don't feel very sorted right now
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on February 02, 2013, 07:07:10 PM
It don't feel very sorted right now

Make "The List", and then before you start checking anything off, check each sub-system, walk around the car, dig through, clean and organize the shed - you'll be surprised what pops up - check out the nooks and crannies, go through the tool box, and write anything down.  Go through your pictures from last time - both of your car and the other racers - and remind yourself of what you're going to need.

Then start checking off the list.

You're going to be fine, AND you're going to go faster than you ever have before.

Please repost this to me during the last week of July.  :wink:

 :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Peter Jack on February 02, 2013, 07:46:52 PM
Nice looking little truck.................... and I'm not even a Ford Guy!  :-o :-D :-D

Pete
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on February 02, 2013, 09:21:23 PM
"Please repost this to me during the last week of July."  :-o 


"DITTO"
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: wobblywalrus on February 03, 2013, 12:26:02 AM
It has its own look.  Different than the ones here.  It looks like it will be easier on the fuel than the last one.  Nice truck.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on February 03, 2013, 01:30:37 AM
What you can't see is the 150 Litre (about 40 US gallons) LPG (Liquified Petroleum Gas) tank in the back and with petrol at about $5.50 a gallon and LPG about half that, it's a pretty good truck.

Back to tank news, It runs, video to follow.

However hear is a picture of Goggles checking out the parachute release, or looking for squirrels

G

(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc28/grumm441/Tanks002_zps307b8876.jpg)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: generatorshovel on February 03, 2013, 03:11:25 AM
(http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t24/generatorshovel/squ_zpsf5554be3.jpg)

There is is !
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on February 03, 2013, 03:37:33 AM
Ah ha!
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on February 03, 2013, 07:52:57 AM
Stew, that is a great looking truck, well done. So good that we should consider painting the tank to match! Is that lesbian purple on the sun visor? One of Bill Burke's Bellytanks had a super purple colour... maybe white and purple as an option?

Just thinking it would make a nice accessory for the truck...

Dik
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: DND on February 03, 2013, 09:34:36 AM
In the early 60's the Quincy Tank was several shades of purple and some neat pinstriping to set it off.

The Tank looked very cool.

Don
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: ol38y on February 03, 2013, 10:56:13 AM
It has its own look.  Different than the ones here.  It looks like it will be easier on the fuel than the last one.  Nice truck.

Looks identical to the trucks sold here in the 70's to me...  cept the aftermarket paint...
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 03, 2013, 03:42:24 PM
Yes Larry/Bo they are the same.

No Reverend, it is more a "grog blossomed" nose color, more the maroon-burgundy...... The Francisco tank's color was referred to as "burple" apparently....who was it we were ragging about painting their car that particular shade of purple?

The "squirrell" I was seeking here was one of the last ribs in the tail that was fouling the push bar set up and stopping the tail going on fully.. Of all the jobs using an angle grinder whilst in a confined metal object has to be up there with the worst.....in this shot you can see that I have had my tonsils out.

(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc28/grumm441/Tanks002_zps307b8876.jpg)

it fired yesterday, annoyingly the microphone was switched off on my camera, it started with a hell of a rush, Vaughn the tame fitter and turner was standing directly behind it...there was a brief moment where I thought " does he want to be standing there "....the exhaust has an aggressive crack to it. and it's as lumpy as all get out.....Vaughn was briefly cloaked in smoke and then looked like he'd been shot a few times....it was loud where he was...

We've got a few "do agains"......the motor has to be hoisted because it seems I tore the pinion seal, the diff oil is leaving early.we seem to have lost the copper washer off the drain hole in the box, likewise the oil there is getting out.....had to "service" the rear wheel cylinders with a BFH.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 03, 2013, 03:47:27 PM
It don't feel very sorted right now

Make "The List", and then before you start checking anything off, check each sub-system, walk around the car, dig through, clean and organize the shed - you'll be surprised what pops up - check out the nooks and crannies, go through the tool box, and write anything down.  Go through your pictures from last time - both of your car and the other racers - and remind yourself of what you're going to need.

Then start checking off the list.

You're going to be fine, AND you're going to go faster than you ever have before.

Please repost this to me during the last week of July.  :wink:

 :cheers:

list started, eleven days to go, stilll soooooooooo much to do :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 03, 2013, 04:36:49 PM
The Francisco tank's color was referred to as "burple" apparently....who was it we were ragging about painting their car that particular shade of purple?

It was Smurph's truck, I think I described the hue as "delicious"  :roll:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on February 04, 2013, 12:17:05 AM
Rock and Roll my good Dr. G, Rock & Roll  Glad to hear that it is going to  be a little snarly---bet it will sound " 'bout right" at full song!!  :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on February 04, 2013, 09:23:19 PM

list started, eleven days to go, stilll soooooooooo much to do :cheers:

Well It's 1 pm again here and you seem to be online, so get on with it
and anyway, if it wasn't for the last minute, when would anything get done?
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 04, 2013, 09:28:25 PM
Back in the shed last night. Hoisted the motor and once again pulled the pinion yoke. There isn't enough room to pull the tailshaft without hoisting the motor since the ten bolt went in, that means we're making a new talshaft, or at least shortening this one before we race again. I did this because the diff was leaking just sitting there, we weren't confident that that would get any better once we got to the lake so it was new seal time.I took out the seal, it was spotless which lead me to think it was leaking around the seal not through it. Still, I wasn't going to be standing next to the car with the oil dripping out of it and the Colonel saying " you put the old seal back in it didn't you?" so I put the new one in, this time I used No 4 instead of silicone and I cleaned and dried the surface too....the base of the ten bolt housing is flat and the way we've set it up it is just like a drummer's mouth when the drum riser is level...it dribbles out both ends....., the easiet way it seems to drain the diff is to pull the seal, opening the rear cover lets it pour straight onto the exhaust junction, fortunately I have wrapped the exhaust there , so we're in for a smoky couple of runs until it burns that off.

Hey Grumm, aren't I allowed to look at my phone..... who are you anyway, the Australian Bellytank thread Police?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: salt27 on February 04, 2013, 09:47:23 PM

list started, eleven days to go, stilll soooooooooo much to do :cheers:

Well It's 1 pm again here and you seem to be online, so get on with it
and anyway, if it wasn't for the last minute, when would anything get done?
G

When I asked him about his online vs shed activities, he claimed to be eating breakfast. Yea right. :roll:

  Don :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 04, 2013, 09:56:22 PM
Oh , it's you again....... "having breakfast" was likely a euphemism for things I'm not allowed to discuss on the forum
Who wants to hear about me fighting for space in a sud filled spa with the local beach volleyball team or breaking most of the commandments after tearing up my doctors advice...... :cheers:

I'm currently waiting for a client in Sale. When I was a kid some friends of our family moved from Sale to Boort( pron Bought), we always thought that was pretty funny..........
Carry on.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 08, 2013, 06:09:37 AM
Went and got some wheels to mount some transport tyres on, the borrowed ones we had were collected by the owner, honestly, some people.. I got sixteens which will have tyres hopefully in the 30-32 inch range that'll give us a little more clearance for trailering..... I got them from Bill my friendly wrecker, never schedule a short visit to a wrecker, there is no such thing........"yeah, come down I've got plenty of them..." means , if you've got an hour to spend following me round and through my post apocalyptic scrap heap then come down for a chat, I might have one......

I picked up the extinguishers from the John Nightingale at Wormald in Mount Waverley....as per the tip from Stainless I had them filled to 5kgs of Coldfire, that way we have the new reg 11lbs for 200+ vehicles....I have to add though that when I was talking to Wayne Mumford last week he something like " if you were knocked out in our car and that thing went off in the cab you might drown.."....we wouldn't be far off either I'd think. If the engine compartment system is fired it'll be squeezing out every crack in the bodywork, like piping on a cake....

I put the tail bodywork on and I have to say it ain't great, I'm going to have a bit more of a tweak on the push bar and in the end I'll be taping the body join because it sits proud. Fuel system is done, water tank is on, extinguishers in, gear shift is done I never did make the second vac-u-pan so the bung is blanked off.....

Tomorrow I'm driving up to Trentham to pick up a canopy for the F100.

 :cheers:

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on February 08, 2013, 08:05:50 AM
 :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on February 08, 2013, 10:07:41 AM
:cheers:

X 2
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 09, 2013, 07:30:49 PM
It's all go here at the Spirit of Sunshine landspeed laboratory, possum park, cactarium, stickertorium and idiot wonderland.

Picked up a canopy for the Effie, quick trip to Trentham, came back through the Lerderderg state forest....confirmed to me that the F truck will be better with a load on it when it does dirtside, I spent a little bit of time looking out the  side window on the loose stuff.Hey, check out the sticker....

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/P2100139_zps3cdd153a.jpg)


today we do the last few top ups, and then sort spares , tools, tent, table, tools, chilly-bins, shade , tarps.....you know the gig...

Speaking of gigs I was part of the Pure Pop Record shop "Summer Classic Album series" where we played Lucinda William's "Car Wheels on a Gravel Road"....it had been occupying a fair bit of thinking space, now it's full steam ahead.....Gairdner he we come.....oh yeah, and there's a BBQ here at the SOS LSLPPSCIW this evening....
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: ol38y on February 09, 2013, 08:13:58 PM
 :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: that's 3
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on February 09, 2013, 08:26:51 PM
22222  :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: ben james on February 09, 2013, 11:05:30 PM
hi Stewie,
that effie is starting to look like you need to put a
WE LIKE BOTH KINDS OF MUSIC sticker on it. :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: wobblywalrus on February 09, 2013, 11:09:15 PM
That is Elmo Rodge looking out of the camper window?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: salt27 on February 10, 2013, 12:28:45 AM
I can't wait to see the F-100 in yellow.

Don't forget to paint under the hood, no masking needed. :-D

Good luck to the Spirit of Sunshine and her faithful servants, may speed be with you. :cheers:

  Don

 
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: ben james on February 10, 2013, 02:13:19 AM
I can't wait to see the F-100 in yellow.

Don't forget to paint under the hood, no masking needed. :

  Don

 
alright, i'll bring me new spray gun over,
crack the lid on that yella paint can :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 10, 2013, 06:27:49 AM
You wait til I catch up with you yellow belly wackers, then you won't be laughin'..................... :roll:

mid-stream BBQ madness here, got a lot of stuff done today, put a taxi bar in the F truck to mount the spares and cover the LPG tank, keeps the rear of the tray clear. We fitted the body and the Colonel finalized most of the wiring........we're getting there..... :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on February 10, 2013, 11:58:54 AM
When I first looked at that truck, I was thinking, yeah, Charles Bronson, Chuck Norris, Steve McQueen - big, tough guy truck, wagon wheels - perfect.

But then the topper went on, and it got me to thinking Carmen Miranda.

(http://i361.photobucket.com/albums/oo58/milwaukeemidget/5227246338_d841105c9a_zps8a126f67.jpg)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on February 10, 2013, 12:05:36 PM
Maybe its " Estathia, Steve McQueen of the desert", or Effie for short. ( I was thinking of calling the Traveller Chuck Morris but it seems someone bet me to it already on their car.)

Truck looks great.

Go you good things.

And speaking of good things, for goodness sake this time don't forget the
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on February 10, 2013, 12:07:08 PM
lol
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on February 10, 2013, 12:11:40 PM
Getting close now Goggs! Luv the F1, pretty close to the one I had in Sydney in the 80's .

Hurt's to not be there doesn't it Dik?
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on February 10, 2013, 04:01:27 PM
Sure does. This is a big one. I reckon they'll not only break 200 they'll smash it!

If it is close to Mr Kelly's record then I'll push hard for us all to come to Bonneville this year with the car and then all will be forgiven.

Dik
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Tman on February 10, 2013, 06:45:57 PM
Sure does. This is a big one. I reckon they'll not only break 200 they'll smash it!

If it is close to Mr Kelly's record then I'll push hard for us all to come to Bonneville this year with the car and then all will be forgiven.

Dik

I will speak for the board and say WE ALL want to see this happen! :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on February 10, 2013, 07:26:25 PM
221.10 is my hope for  :-o
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 10, 2013, 07:47:25 PM
I will speak for the board and say WE ALL want to see this happen! :cheers:

Thanks Trent.

Bit sore and sorry here this morning, the BBQ was a bit of fun.

We also have interest from a doco maker who is fairly serious, sounds interesting and has a bit of backing.

The weather looks encouraging, hot too.......I'm off to get me a new straw hat..
(http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTUm5FUZojXB01foS35S2P74fqZbp7i1wNqFOa40c3WDB-RaEQZjQ)

ps: ...see, Bill I can appreciate your wish for us to do 221.1 but personally I'm hoping for 374km/h....which is about 232........... wishful thinking
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on February 10, 2013, 08:40:09 PM
I picture that straw hat on you.  :cheers:
And Gus sez "Good luck guys! Give a good rip at that little torn edge!" He said you'd know what that means. Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 10, 2013, 09:06:50 PM
I picture that straw hat on you.  :cheers:
And Gus sez "Good luck guys! Give a good rip at that little torn edge!" He said you'd know what that means. Wayno

Very good Wayno :-D

And return the greeting to Gus, I know exactly what he means. ....and tell him every time I think of him I chuckle to myself..." standing up in a hammock"....I wish you could be here Wayno. Me Grumm and Simon will drink a toast to absent friends and you guys will be at the top of the list.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 11, 2013, 12:05:15 AM
Last night in one of my usual wake-up in the wee hours and think of something I haven't done, have to do or some other non-immediately fixable thing I thought of trailering the car........it's backwards. When I brought the frame back from being blasted I put it in the shed nose first, no big deal I thought......well, IT IS A BIG DEAL :oops:....for starters, with no reverse I can't drive it into the trailer( yes, it has a winch, just lazy),  I don't know if it will fit tail first into the trailer, I assume it will fit.........I can't get it out of the driveway to turn it around........so tired, so much to do...................

309 entries, almost exactly half bikes fortunately.......I hope the new marshalling system works well........
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on February 11, 2013, 03:26:23 AM
154.5 bikes to inspect in two days.
great
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: tauruck on February 11, 2013, 05:38:32 AM
Last night in one of my usual wake-up in the wee hours and think of something I haven't done, have to do or some other non-immediately fixable thing I thought of trailering the car........it's backwards. When I brought the frame back from being blasted I put it in the shed nose first, no big deal I thought......well, IT IS A BIG DEAL :oops:....for starters, with no reverse I can't drive it into the trailer( yes, it has a winch, just lazy),  I don't know if it will fit tail first into the trailer, I assume it will fit.........I can't get it out of the driveway to turn it around........so tired, so much to do...................

309 entries, almost exactly half bikes fortunately.......I hope the new marshalling system works well........
Wake up in the wee hours???? Tell it like it is. You needed to go! :evil: :evil:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 11, 2013, 06:22:34 AM
Hey Pisskop, I was wondering whether anyone would pull that up..... :cheers:

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Jon on February 11, 2013, 06:50:59 AM
Hey Pisskop, I was wondering whether anyone would pull that up..... :cheers:



Was better when we thought you were having a slash, that is an overshare.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on February 11, 2013, 06:56:23 AM
154.5 bikes to inspect in two days.
great
G
I hope that the .5 motorcycle is a Turbo Hayabusa Unicycle.  :lol: Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 12, 2013, 04:15:28 PM
154.5 bikes to inspect in two days.
great
G
I hope that the .5 motorcycle is a Turbo Hayabusa Unicycle.  :lol: Wayno

It is! but its a bagger and it's running time only :roll:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: generatorshovel on February 12, 2013, 07:54:08 PM
Hey Doc,,change of plan with Team Silverton,,most of us are leaving spoggyfart friday morning now ('cept Frase,Cec & Wooly) look for the XXXX gold flag on the salt shademahal.
WOOOOHOOOO ! :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on February 12, 2013, 11:03:41 PM
GETTIN close  :-o  :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 13, 2013, 12:24:56 AM
Finally we'll be able to make use of all the help you gave us Billy boy. For those who are wondering wtf that is all about listen in. It was Sparky who came up with the Camaro housing/Cadillac R&P/Torsen centre diff combination that we put together . We are running a 2.56 combo at the moment , a step up from our former 2.77......in the meantime we're pretty sure we;'ve got about 50% more power than we had when we ran 192.xxx in 2010, it made 312hp@64590, we're hoping that will translate to about 350@7000......we also have a 2.41 set we're taking.....and in case fairy-tales come true we have a 2.28 set with us as well
Hey Tiny, like I'd have any trouble finding you guys, I have some Beluga Caviar and the Dom with me, you bring the silverware :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: salt27 on February 13, 2013, 12:40:58 AM
Now you're just getting me all worked up.

We need a live broadcast.

   Don
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: generatorshovel on February 13, 2013, 01:01:21 AM
Hey Tiny, like I'd have any trouble finding you guys, I have some Beluga Caviar and the Dom with me, you bring the silverware :cheers:

Will plastic utensils wrapped in alfoil do sir ?
Belt your fish eggs you know where,,,,,,
I'll have a flagoon of Port a gutta's finest on hand for the celebrations  :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Graham in Aus on February 13, 2013, 02:47:02 AM
Snigger!  :-D

http://www.westenddraught.com.au/thereclaim/

 :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 13, 2013, 05:15:45 AM
Snigger!  :-D

http://www.westenddraught.com.au/thereclaim/

 :cheers:

Australia's worst beer, no contest.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on February 13, 2013, 05:57:33 AM
Australia's worst beer, no contest.

gee.. and I was just composing an in-kind sponsorship letter request... scrap that!

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on February 13, 2013, 11:04:17 AM
Here's to CAUSE for Celebration!!!!  :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on February 13, 2013, 11:25:51 AM
If you folks can really spin your engine that high -- the 69,540 rpm mentioned a few posts back -- then you'll have some other issues, too.  But dang, with those speeds won't you be using something like the step-down gearbox from a turbine?

Best wishes for a safe, fast, and fun week, ladies and gentlemen.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on February 13, 2013, 11:48:53 AM
Most importantly, be safe and have gobs o' fun. Tell me again, when you leaving?  :cheers: Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on February 13, 2013, 12:03:38 PM
Now I'm nervous and I'm not even going...

Send updates out somehow! Gee, now I know how NASA felt when Apollo went on the dark side.

d
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 13, 2013, 03:49:44 PM
If you folks can really spin your engine that high -- the 69,540 rpm mentioned a few posts back -- then you'll have some other issues, too.  But dang, with those speeds won't you be using something like the step-down gearbox from a turbine?

Best wishes for a safe, fast, and fun week, ladies and gentlemen.

oh, I left the one off the front.......no, it was supposed to be 6450, there, sorted....leaving in 48hrs from now :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on February 13, 2013, 04:45:06 PM
Well boys, ya better start working more and posting less, get you crap together in a pile and get your mind right.  This is your first chance this year to go fast.... make us proud.
James, would like to see you go faster than the Bockscar ever has....
Good Luck guys
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on February 13, 2013, 07:09:12 PM
Wishing a fast, dry week to team Sunshine.

You guys are long overdue for some seat time.

I'd give my third nut to be there.

 :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Graham in Aus on February 13, 2013, 11:05:48 PM
Australia's worst beer, no contest.

Couldn't agree more, hence the laughs!  :-P

Best of luck to all in the Spirit of Sunshine team!

May all your timeslips start with a "2"  :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on February 13, 2013, 11:08:09 PM
234.56  :-o  :?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: PJQ on February 15, 2013, 09:01:10 PM
Let the Road Trip begin...
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-HqC94JUzlAE/UR7mjMxZMTI/AAAAAAAAAOY/ScZw9Z5wgM8/s800/photo%2525201.JPG)

it's gunna to be a long drive...
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-ZMD_qmY8_Pc/UR7mjI1hYUI/AAAAAAAAAOc/ulIgYMJl5_M/s800/photo%2525202.JPG)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 15, 2013, 09:04:42 PM
He's right you know.....it's good to be rolling. Just stopped for a feed in Beaufort, empty cafe , in walks my sister in law........ make up your own jokes for that one.....more later, I'm pretty excited..... :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on February 15, 2013, 09:13:44 PM
The fun - the excitement - of leaving on a road trip.  On a road trip with a stupendous destination and event.  The look on those faces -- worth a million bucks.  It's one of the photos you should keep for when you're an old duffer, sitting in the rocking chair, thinking about what used to be.  Look at the picture - you'll be grinning ear-to-ear and the nurses and other geezers will wonder what the heck was in that last "medication" you were just given.

By the also way -- what's the 1x4 board 'tween driver and passenger?  Are you two that much a danger to one another?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on February 15, 2013, 09:30:00 PM
 :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on February 15, 2013, 09:37:13 PM
The ubiquitous Seldom Seen one asks "By the also way -- what's the 1x4 board 'tween driver and passenger?  Are you two that much a danger to one another? "
Jon, you've met Goggles.  :roll: Wayno
 
 
 
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: salt27 on February 15, 2013, 10:27:59 PM
By the also way -- what's the 1x4 board 'tween driver and passenger?  Are you two that much a danger to one another?

Looks to be your run of the mill Australian seat adjuster. :roll:

 
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on February 15, 2013, 10:42:52 PM
Ahhhh the ole broken seat track lock "fix trick"
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Tman on February 16, 2013, 12:06:34 AM
The ubiquitous Seldom Seen one asks "By the also way -- what's the 1x4 board 'tween driver and passenger?  Are you two that much a danger to one another? "
Jon, you've met Goggles.  :roll: Wayno
 
 
 


That is the Anti Aussie Close Talker deterant! We all know Goggs is a close talker :-D :evil:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on February 16, 2013, 01:36:52 AM
By the also way -- what's the 1x4 board 'tween driver and passenger?  Are you two that much a danger to one another?

That could be one of many things -

A - The dash prop, which keeps the dash from falling onto your knees - it IS a Ford . . .

B - The Nebraska Cruise Control, which once on the highway, one wedges against the accelerator in order to catch a few hours of sleep.  Bricks and cinder blocks are a viable substitute.

C - The Whoopass stick, which the quiet one uses to keep the talkative one from disturbing aforementioned sleep.

D - Or the most likely scenario, a makeshift armrest.

Safe travels, gentlemen!
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: tauruck on February 16, 2013, 04:00:47 AM
Let the Road Trip begin...
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-HqC94JUzlAE/UR7mjMxZMTI/AAAAAAAAAOY/ScZw9Z5wgM8/s800/photo%2525201.JPG)

it's gunna to be a long drive...
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-ZMD_qmY8_Pc/UR7mjI1hYUI/AAAAAAAAAOc/ulIgYMJl5_M/s800/photo%2525202.JPG)

I've seen faces like that before and they weren't going racing :-D :-D At least you'll get there with the F150. GO You GOOD thing!!!! Best of luck guys. :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on February 16, 2013, 12:02:45 PM
The excitment is oozing around the world right now. No pun intended but you blokes have the 'spirit' all right.
Treat the F1 kindly & run the Buick like ya stole it. :evil:
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on February 16, 2013, 01:03:55 PM
Whose trailer is that?

Dik
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: ben james on February 16, 2013, 03:40:02 PM
hi Dik,
thats Pete Quick's trailer.
he cut it down as it was too heavy & too much of a wind drag.
Ben.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Glen on February 16, 2013, 03:54:12 PM
Now the trailer will be loaded with two hundred pounds of red dirt when it gets to the salt. :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 16, 2013, 03:56:21 PM
The excitment is oozing around the world right now. No pun intended but you blokes have the 'spirit' all right.
Treat the F1 kindly & run the Buick like ya stole it. :evil:
  Sid.

Thanks Sid,the F truck has gone like a train,if a thirsty one. Dik,that's Pete's trailer after a 3ft ,280kg haircut.
 :evil: :roll:
Well folks we're on the edge of the abyss,Port Augusta. Slept beside the trailer in the BP truckers park,bit of shopping,some various liquids,ice,and we'll point this raggedy rabble at the desert. We spoke to Brett de Stoop last night,he and Nigel were going non-stop to the lake,he was going off like a frog in a sock.

Farewell normality ,we're goin in

PS. yrs Glen,I thought it was.lucky the Effiep was so clean when I got it because we sure have to fit a lot of dirt on it
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on February 16, 2013, 07:05:11 PM
Anybody know if we're getting updates on who's doin what down there or do we just have to wait for someone to surface?? :?
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on February 16, 2013, 07:09:16 PM
Anybody know if we're getting updates on who's doin what down there or do we just have to wait for someone to surface?? :?
  Sid.

Just got a text from Gogs -

"Off the bitumen, Gairdner bound.  No phone 'til Friday."

What I wouldn't give to not have to answer a phone for a week . . .
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: DND on February 16, 2013, 08:36:48 PM
Hi Slim

You asked about the 1 by 4 in the truck cab, did you ever hear about the Arfon's bros wall.

The story was they did not talk to each other, so they split the barn right down the center and built a full length wall in the barn so they both could work and not look or speak to each other.

Maybe the 1 by 4 is the start of a Arfon wall in the cab , ha ha

Don
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Lynchy on February 17, 2013, 10:04:41 PM
Dik

I'm hoping to get a nightly call from the secret phone at the lake. If I do, I'll ask as to how Dr G and his band of merry men are going and will post it here...

Lynchy
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on February 17, 2013, 10:54:18 PM
 here's to the secret phone!!!  :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on February 18, 2013, 01:34:22 AM
Lynchy, whats the deal with the Jag Mate?
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on February 18, 2013, 03:00:20 AM
You are a good man Lynchy. Maybe we need a code name for your connection at the lake so he/she doesn't get caught?

And yeah! What's happening with the jag??!



Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Graham in Aus on February 18, 2013, 03:09:35 AM
I'm sure 'Big Lynchy' will be along shortly, until then, there's a build thread and a bit of video on the Jag, it's a beast! :


http://www.dlra.org.au/forum/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=377&start=405

All a bit last minute, particularly the transporter bus! But they are there!  :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on February 18, 2013, 08:59:29 AM
Hmmm... no word from agent "Big Evelyn"...

Hope her/his cover wasn't blown...
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on February 18, 2013, 09:11:11 AM
About 4:30 yesterday, I was thinking, "Yeah, they're probably just finishing up a driver's meeting".

The game is afoot - and any good info, or even lies, for that matter, would be relished.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Freud on February 18, 2013, 11:12:36 PM
They are not understanding our sympathy pains.

Their struggles may be bringing us down.

What we need is a report with huge numbers for each entry.

Then we would no longer be sympathizing.

We would be rejoicing.

FREUD
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on February 19, 2013, 05:08:05 AM
I'm standing at the top of Mt Ive to get phone reception
Dr Goggles. 206 mph first run.  changing the gearing and we try again
Tomorrow.
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on February 19, 2013, 05:52:00 AM
Woo hoo.  :cheers: Thanx Grumm.  8-) Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Graham in Aus on February 19, 2013, 05:59:08 AM
Grumm, thanks for thinking about us on the outside!  :-D

Way to go Goggles!! 206!!  :cheers: :cheers:

Now nail it with the big gears!!  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: undies302 on February 19, 2013, 08:16:18 AM
Fantastic stuff!!

Congrats all involved

stay safe

-undies
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: tauruck on February 19, 2013, 08:39:54 AM
I second that. :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on February 19, 2013, 09:13:01 AM
FANTASTIC NEWS!

It's been a L O N G  T I M E  C O M I N G !

Well done, boyz!
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on February 19, 2013, 09:37:51 AM
Youliddlebewdy!!!!!!!!!!!!

That must have felt good! I have so many questions, how did she handle? Was the front end light or wanting to go straight? Vision OK? Waas the engine tapering off or wanting to keep going? Numbers are one thing but we need more...

Thanks Colonel, new gearing... hmmm where was that post about the gearing... That should be a leap of... HOLY!

Dik

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Speed Limit 1000 on February 19, 2013, 10:07:12 AM
Good job guys :cheers: it was 4 am and you, sorry I know your world is upside down. Now you need to go faster :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on February 19, 2013, 10:25:02 AM
I bet the gears they need have bigger number --not pinion gear size
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on February 19, 2013, 10:50:38 AM
I bet the gears they need have bigger number --not pinion gear size

I don't know which set they're changing out to - they left with the 2.56s in place, but if they can pull the same revs, we could be looking at 218 with the 2.41s, or maybe 231 with the 2.28s.

Leave it to Grummy to give us just enough information to cause speculation . . . :roll:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Tman on February 19, 2013, 11:22:55 AM
Cool! Will be waiting for the next update!
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Freud on February 19, 2013, 11:29:07 AM
When you get access to this website and read the comments I hope that the

support that is extended to you comes thru as our maximum contribution

to your success.

Just keep working. You will build on your strong beginning.

Bugga Me.


FREUD

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Lynchy on February 19, 2013, 07:59:16 PM
So.... my undercover operative didn't come through....

Congrats on the 200 though guys!!

I was on the phone to Trev last night and he wasn't able to tell me much as he was rehydrating after a long day in the sun. He hasn't seen the Jag run as yet either but then he's only been out on the long course and the car would be doing licencing runs (125 & 150) on the GPS track. He was able to tell me that there was 30 runs monday and 64 on tuesday (long course numbers only). Chris Hanlon and team blew the motor on their new F-Truck and the clean up took about an hour.... no other news other than the AGM being held at the end of racing tuesday..

Lynchy
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on February 19, 2013, 08:30:40 PM
thanks for the update
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on February 20, 2013, 04:02:46 AM
Please note correction:

Norm Hardinge has run 207mph in his 34 ford which he has taken to Bonneville a number of times recently. I think this maybe the first time he has cracked 200 for Gairdner and that is great news for a top bloke and absolute supporter of the sport for many many years.

It was USA driver David Haas ran a 209mph yesterday gaining a red hat and a record as well, in the same 34 Ford, using different fuel to Norms run. So two class records for Big Knob!

Other snippets is the Slaughter streamliner has had its first run and all seemed good (he is the one aiming for 400mph).
Some footage and info here:
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Slaughter-Motorsport/217005054999277

One car lost its engine day one which meant an hour delay for cleanup and only 65 cars running on day one. That would mean quite a queue building up so with 300 vehicles (roughly half motorcycles) although most would be on the short track. So hopefully SoS is back in the queue and waiting for a run last night. No news yet.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Plmkrze on February 20, 2013, 02:07:20 PM
thanks keep us posted!  8-)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Lynchy on February 20, 2013, 04:59:31 PM
Dik

The car that dropped it's motor was Bridgey's F100. They also lost the motor in another car of theirs. They took 3 cars down, the Effy, a 260Z and a Falcon ute (a former brute ute racer).

Apparently there was another accident with a former NASCAR rolling over. The car is a wreck but the driver was OK.

Temps have been hot with one day being 42 degrees C or over 100 F. The track sounds good if the SoS and Norm's 34 have all been over 200. Sounds like the worst year that we could not go to the lake.

I got a phone call last night from Big Gaz. He's been doing his licencing runs for the Jag on the GPS course and aced the 125 & 150 mph passses before moving on to the Long Course for the 175mph and chute pull. He overcooked it and did the first mile at 191mph before slowing it down and doing the chute pull. While he did do the 3rd mile at 175 they have ruled that he do it again. So today is 175 again and then on to 200. From the sounds of it he should get there as he reports that he has too much power and needs to feather the throttle to get traction and the 191 that he did was in either 3rd or 4th gear. The gearbox is a Doug Nash close ratio 5 speed and the 5th is 1:1 so he is still getting there. Based on gearing and engine revs (he's limited it to 6500) it can do 200. We also calculated that it needed 450hp for 200 and he's got 868hp. Next year may see the hunt on for a 9 inch ratio lower than 2.5:1?

People are starting to leave the salt as they wrap up their racing which should shorten queues and allow more runs per team. The GPS track is still good with more runs per team than the Long course. Typically on a Thursday you can treat the GPS course as a circuit with little to no waiting.

Lynchy
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Geo on February 20, 2013, 05:18:41 PM
Thanks for the update, Lynchy.

Glad to hear the Jag is running well!

Go Dr and the Spirit of Sunshine!

Everyone be safe. Looking forward to more reports.

Geo
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Graham in Aus on February 20, 2013, 11:21:41 PM
Great news about the Jag Paul (Lynchy) Sounds like Gary is only just stroking the big cat!  :lol:

The conditions sound fantastic, bit hot of course, but just great that everyone is getting plenty of track time.

I look forward to more big news!

Cheers!  :cheers:

Graham

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Lynchy on February 21, 2013, 12:32:25 AM
I'm looking forward to a call tonight with news of a plus 200 run!!
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on February 21, 2013, 08:48:24 AM
Gee... anyone else here feeling left out? That's pretty much TWO WHOLE DAYS of racing we have heard zip of...

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: 38flattie on February 21, 2013, 09:15:21 AM
Gee... anyone else here feeling left out? That's pretty much TWO WHOLE DAYS of racing we have heard zip of...



Exactly! I've been waiting to hear James set a new record with the higher gears!
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on February 21, 2013, 09:31:45 AM
Well, I guess I know where to go if I really want to get off of the grid. 

The CIA's getting more information out of North Korea . . .
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: ol38y on February 21, 2013, 10:48:21 AM
Well, I guess I know where to go if I really want to get off of the grid. 

The CIA's getting more information out of North Korea . . .

But then you have that awful language barrier to get through. It might be easier to go to North Korea...  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: tauruck on February 21, 2013, 11:31:04 AM
Yeah mate, what a rippah! It may just be a case of private practice. :-P
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on February 21, 2013, 12:31:26 PM
Gee... anyone else here feeling left out? That's pretty much TWO WHOLE DAYS of racing we have heard zip of...


You've got a dog in this fight Dik.
I found myself in this situation back in the Teague days, it sucks phucking big ones to be on the wrong side of the world!
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Jon on February 21, 2013, 03:25:39 PM
Gremlins,,, they are due to run this am.

Cheers
jon
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on February 21, 2013, 04:42:26 PM
Gremlins,,, they are due to run this am.

Cheers
jon

Okay, so Jon, are you calling us all "gremlins", or have the little boogers infested the SOS?  :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on February 21, 2013, 04:50:57 PM
Gremlins????  Noooooooooooo!!!!!
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on February 21, 2013, 05:00:23 PM
Dik, I was thinking of that very episode!
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on February 21, 2013, 05:08:25 PM
He is a legend. Loved him then, loved him in Boston Legal. Canada's best export.
Twilight Zone was sensational but also watched some "Outer Limits" episodes recently and they were fantastic too. A great sense of pacing in them with an hour in length...

Gee I feel like I am commentating at the cricket and its raining, come on Gairdner news!
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on February 21, 2013, 05:08:57 PM
Gremlins,,, they are due to run this am.

Cheers
jon
Typical red head, gives us one word & now we're just more confused. :? :?
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Tman on February 21, 2013, 05:11:07 PM
He is a legend. Loved him then, loved him in Boston Legal. Canada's best export.
Twilight Zone was sensational but also watched some "Outer Limits" episodes recently and they were fantastic too. A great sense of pacing in them with an hour in length...

Gee I feel like I am commentating at the cricket and its raining, come on Gairdner news!


The WWII sunken sub episode is a favorite.  :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Glen on February 21, 2013, 06:45:54 PM
We want down under speeds not old movies. LSR rules first. :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on February 21, 2013, 06:47:58 PM
 :-o  lol  :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on February 21, 2013, 06:59:35 PM
We want down under speeds not old movies. LSR rules first. :cheers:
What he said!!! :evil:
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Tman on February 21, 2013, 07:00:02 PM
We want down under speeds not old movies. LSR rules first. :cheers:

Well, Goggs isn't here to derail his own thread so we thought we better! :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on February 21, 2013, 09:07:40 PM
It's about noon tomorrow right now - I'm thinking they're either given' it hell, licking their wounds, pounding a beer or putting it on the trailer. 

Or maybe getting their hats sized . . .  :roll:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: wobblywalrus on February 21, 2013, 09:54:22 PM
Don't worry.  I am sure we will know how they did when they get cell coverage.

There is an old piano on the salt flats just to the west of where we run.  Emigrants crossed the lake there and someone's wagon got too heavy and they tossed it out, I guess.  I wasn't there.  That reminds us that not very long ago, when folks would leave to go the the west coast, word of their arrival came back by ship.  Maybe over a year after they left any one back home would hear from them.  Gairdner is one of the few places like that now.     
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Tman on February 22, 2013, 01:00:54 AM
Don't worry.  I am sure we will know how they did when they get cell coverage.

There is an old piano on the salt flats just to the west of where we run.  Emigrants crossed the lake there and someone's wagon got too heavy and they tossed it out, I guess.  I wasn't there.  That reminds us that not very long ago, when folks would leave to go the the west coast, word of their arrival came back by ship.  Maybe over a year after they left any one back home would hear from them.  Gairdner is one of the few places like that now.     

Profound and poinant
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on February 22, 2013, 02:59:47 AM
Some local footage of the event but no speeds or details... DLRA living legends Animal and Rod Hadfield

http://au.news.yahoo.com/video/national/watch/0f536740-bb08-3fe4-8dbf-7117073e19c8/speed-demons-take-to-salt-flats/

dik

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on February 22, 2013, 06:58:54 AM
Moving right along.....
The car had a failure on it's final run.....
At about the 6 mile
After doing 215 and change
It blew a 10 amp fuse
So.      All good. Except that I'm posting from a phone That I
Can't see
Goggs should be here soon, he has a bigger phone, and glasses
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: generatorshovel on February 22, 2013, 07:49:50 AM
We just returned from lake G, here are 3 VERY happy Aussies  :cheers:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LIwsjnY2yc&feature=player_detailpage
I tried to capture the run,,but the track was too far away to see SoS at all when the video was replayed
I'll post more pics when I get organized.
Brett Desloop did 241(ish?) in the 1st sector(today), but went down in the 5 mile, he is battered and bruised, but ok
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 22, 2013, 07:53:17 AM
Moving right along.....
The car had a failure on it's final run.....
At about the 6 mile
After doing 215 and change
It blew a 10 amp fuse
So.      All good. Except that I'm posting from a phone That I
Can't see
Goggs should be here soon, he has a bigger phone, and glasses
G
what he said, we're filthy and f******,tomorrow folks, what I will say is the little car did the bizzo.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: 38flattie on February 22, 2013, 08:46:26 AM
So, James, a new record???
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on February 22, 2013, 08:51:34 AM
So, did you set a record? Everyone in the video is kinda acting like it but all I could make of the words was "congratulations". The rest was pure jibberish.  :roll: James (and the rest of you), you have friends on the other side of the Earth whom have been on the edge of their seats waiting for information. Cough it up, Sport.  :cheers: Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 22, 2013, 09:21:02 AM
someone broke the record o set on Tuesday by 9mph today, me .... been a long time but I reckon the SOS is in the game now. today it pulled like a train to the mystery 6400 limit, let me get home and I'll tell you a nice story aaaaaaaaaallllllllllll about it.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on February 22, 2013, 09:28:15 AM
Rock and Roll!!

Well done lads!

Also Brett deStoop, 241 wow, this is on a water bottle motor, he built his own foundry and dyno for in his backyard, and built it from scratch.

Not many people big enough to survive a fall at that speed but his is one of them.

Well done Brett, get well soon mate,

Dik
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on February 22, 2013, 09:34:41 AM
Looking forward to what I'm sure will be the grand details of this long overdue adventure.

Well played, gentlemen!
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Tman on February 22, 2013, 09:43:32 AM
Catch your breath and then tell us all the details! :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: 38flattie on February 22, 2013, 09:46:42 AM
:cheers: CONGRATULATIONS!  :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on February 22, 2013, 10:22:11 AM
Sooo are you going to hold us hostage and demand a "pay to view"  :-o  drive safe sleep well and get a good conection---we want it ALL!!   congrats on adding nearly 25 mph to the last effort!!

NEXT QUEST  find the missing 2000 to 2500 RPM  :cry:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on February 22, 2013, 10:39:30 AM
OK James. Tell me this. Can you take it back if it doesn't fit?  :wink: Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on February 22, 2013, 10:50:52 AM
OK James. Tell me this. Can you take it back if it doesn't fit?  :wink: Wayno

I suspect he'll be forced to go get another one.  :cheers:

Grummy, did you get a turn at the wheel? 
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 22, 2013, 03:38:46 PM
OK James. Tell me this. Can you take it back if it doesn't fit?  :wink: Wayno

No,this one is it.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on February 22, 2013, 03:50:26 PM
OK James. Tell me this. Can you take it back if it doesn't fit?  :wink: Wayno

No,this one is it.
Poifect.  :cheers: Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on February 22, 2013, 03:56:01 PM
Wayno,  I am beginning to suspect that we better get PayPal ready if we are going to get any blow by blow report ---or have to buy some Ozzie car mag :wink:  he is holding us hostage :roll:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Captthundarr on February 22, 2013, 04:29:26 PM
 :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
:-D :-D :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on February 22, 2013, 04:34:33 PM
Wayno,  I am beginning to suspect that we better get PayPal ready if we are going to get any blow by blow report ---or have to buy some Ozzie car mag :wink:  he is holding us hostage :roll:

Relax Sparky
It's six in the morning here and I'm mailing from a phone I cannot see because my arm isn't long enough. I got a drive , however it was very short because someone had forgotten to put enough course markers for a short guy in a Streamliner to see. Goggles had three runs. The 205. Which pushed the seal out the front of the engine. An aborted run caused by the refitted harmonic balancer hitting the rotation sensor ( my oops) and after a lot of work changing the diff ratio and whole day waiting in the queue, the 215 run on Friday.
I decided not to have a second attempt, the car isn't really built for a guy of my particular shape and as the queue was moving so slowly it would've meant Goggs may not have got another run

In good news, Ross. Brown is now the head of motorcycle tech, so that one less job for me this year and about 1000 less phone calls.
 Doo dah doo dah
G
 
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on February 22, 2013, 05:21:42 PM
G ---if we seem impatient---well I gess we are--- but we are SO pulling for you guys  we just can't wait to hear the rest of the story---

well  I guess if it will not turn over 6400  for you guys ---you will just have to just put the 2.14s it and go find a hairdrier or so  :evil:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 22, 2013, 09:01:34 PM
dunno bout a hairdryer but I SO need a shampoo right now,ten hours from home crusty as and kinda tired ... be patient
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on February 22, 2013, 09:23:31 PM
My good Dr ---everything in its time--- but I feel like the vulture sitting in the tree as he leans over to his buddy---"Patience Hell,lets go kill something!"  We R just so pumped that you guys had a "good meet"  we can't wait to hear about it---  drive safe-- enjoy the shower!!!  :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on February 23, 2013, 06:37:20 AM
dunno bout a hairdryer

And what would I use as a doorstop
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on February 23, 2013, 04:24:20 PM
Just looking at the expired number list. mmmm
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Jon on February 23, 2013, 05:12:16 PM
Expired number list?

jon
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on February 23, 2013, 05:27:25 PM
Money not spent on repainting could be applied to transportation . . .  :wink:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Tman on February 23, 2013, 05:41:58 PM
Expired number list?

jon


When you are a BNI or SCTA member you get n expired number list in the newsletter. At 3 years dormant for a car or bike they send a list to see if you want to keep that number.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Buickguy3 on February 23, 2013, 05:46:21 PM
  I think the number list is on the SCTA web site also.
    Doug :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on February 23, 2013, 05:48:47 PM
Now that is more news... four runs over a week is not so bad given the changes/repairs made. We can make a better shaped chair insert for you Grumm and so let's put that on the list, but honestly it is not a great shaped car for anyone's ergonomics. Built for speed not watching a lot of telly in (such as all the Breaking Bad series in one go which Amber and I pretty much had the pleasure to do recently... Tuco my favorite baddy, reminded me a little of a certain other person ending in 'o' on the salt a few years ago...)

Drive safely now, and Dr G, stop tailgating!!

d
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on February 23, 2013, 06:21:17 PM
The Midget picked up on it.  :roll:   :cheers: Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on February 23, 2013, 06:48:23 PM
The Midget picked up on it.  :roll:   :cheers: Wayno
You got to get up pretty early in the morning to pull one over on the ol' Midget.

That's because I stay up all night . . .

Which oddly enough, STILL puts these darned Aussies a step ahead in this game . . .

Frickin' international date line . . .
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 23, 2013, 07:41:44 PM
OK.

This is just the skinny on the car, there are a heap more stories including Brett de Stoop stepping off after clocking a mile at 240mph and living to tell the tale, they'll come later...... but for now here is the Spirit of Sunshine 2013 story....

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As always the preparations for Speedweek were manic. We’d made several major changes to the car in the three years since it had last run and although that is a long time, it never seems like long enough. There was a new rear end courtesy of advice from our friend Bill”Sparky”Smith in Phoenix, and the top of the roll cage and drivers compartment had been redesigned in order to accommodate the new rules regarding head restraints. There was also the new motor. Similar in many ways to the motor that was demolished in 2010 it had spent three days on the dyno but we still had not been able to find whatever it was that prevented it from revving beyond 6400rpm. In a way it had been a godsend that 2011 was cancelled because with the same 2.77 final gearing and an although more powerful motor we weren’t going to go any faster without being able to exceed 2010’s 6400rpm.

The prep also included the new tow car a 1976 F100 bought from Morwell in the Latrobe Valley, a 302 4 speed short wheelbase that had been set up as a tow vehicle with heavy suspension and long range tanks. After discovering our tandem trailer was completely rusted out we decided to use Pete Quick’s , the car had traveled there in 09 and 10 in the trailer behind Pete’s Toyota Troop Carrier, this year though the Troopy was dead, the trailer though had been cut down  into an open car carrier, a quarter ton lighter.

I picked Pete up at the airport on Thursday night after a work trip and we hitched the trailer at his place, I took it home and spent Friday getting the car on and working out the pack. Pete arrived Friday evening and we had a few beers. Saturday we knocked off the last few things and were ready to roll by 9am, the trailer was too low. We flipped the hitch and decided to leave the wobble bars off.

It’s a left turn at the end of my street and then eight hours of 60mph driving to get to Adelaide.The first hour is to Ballarat and that involves the climb over the Pentland Hills that start at Bachus Marsh , I waved at all the spots where previous cars have broken down. The trailer pulled well, the truck sang. We stopped in Beaufort for a coffee, my brother and sister in law saw the car as they drove past and stopped in to wish us well. It was hot, and dry out there as we headed west. We arrived at Port Wakefield where we hoped to stay at 9.45pm to find there was no room at the inn, or the caravan park…we had a terrible steak sandwich at the roadhouse( yeah, the BP) and decided to push on for Port Augusta, 209km’s away. At Port Augusta we found a spot in the big truck stop on the edge of the park and set up beds beside the trailer, it was 1am we were stuffed. We got up just before sunrise, moments before the sixty billion flies that live at “The Gutta”.
We fuelled up, checked everything and went for the last few bits of shopping.

It’s sixty kms( 35mile) to the turn off at Iron Knob, that’s where the dirt starts. The road was in great condition and rather than Saturday afternoons when it tends to be busy we barely saw another vehicle on the way in so it wasn’t too dusty, Pete drove, I had a bit of shut eye. Pete was keen to stop at the station for a refresher, me?...I woke up cranky and couldn’t understand why we weren’t heading for the lake at lightening speed, Pete’s good like that , he gets things done in a way that doesn’t involve my usual flapping around like a trapped wild animal, it was blisteringly hot, that weather calls for gentle movements and lots of fluid.

We hooted when we first saw the salt and within minutes were at the entrance blowing the dust off the rig before we drove on, the salt looked great, not as stark white as some other years but the crunchies were low and it was hard, hard, hard.

The Silverton crew had saved us a spot , we found Tiny ( GeneratorShovel here) in no time and got to unloading. I drank two and a half litres of water in the first half hour that we were there, it was extreme. We got the pit sorted and the car reassembled, race tyres, harness, a wash out, fire bottles  and a general check over done. We fitted the push bar and the new trail bar made from and Anglia wishbone. We gently trialed the bar to find it worked a treat allowing us to tow the car without a driver inside. We pushed the car up to tech to leave it in line overnight and headed to the campground to erect the “Casa del Canvass”. The Casa has always provided some amusement, it’s a biggish tent with an unusual pole arrangement. We’d just met Jon Bennett from Brisbane who is building the single engined bike-liner and we were to camp with he, his son Dave and Ross Brown another bike liner builder from Brisbane, I already knew I was going to like these guys.

First thing Monday back on the salt, we let the guys behind us go through as we tooled around with a few small items. The car cruised through tech except I’d left my new boots and gloves at home and had to borrow some that would pass the 200mph rules. I did the bail-out in no time, we got the sticker.

We decided to put Grumm through his 125mph license on the GPS track, we lined up behind every single person who thought they’d like to try landspeed racing, and some other people I think who saw a line and joined it just in case there was something fun happening, after about an hour and a half I heard that marshalling for the main track was bare. I went and asked Animal the race director if we could run a 125mph license there, of course we could. We arrived at the main track pre-stage as the track closed after an incident.

I have been trying to convince Grumm to drive for years, for various reasons he hasn’t but this was to be the year . When we arrived at the main track we found it was very sparsely marked at the start, in fact for the first half mile there were no cor-flutes, no cones, no bollards…..just one solitary black flag and as the wind was blowing straight down the track it was all but invisible. We suited the Colonel up and shoe-horned him into the car. He wandered a bit as I pushed him off, then began to track right, finally running off the track and shutting down.  He couldn’t see. There was another problem, the car is built for the Reverend and I and Grumm being slightly wider and shorter couldn’t get his arm to the shift when fully suited and harnessed, it was a very low moment. Grumm just said, “nup, that’s it, can’t see, can’t shift that’s it for me” , I  was terribly disappointed that I couldn't share this thing he'd put so much into with him, I’d been dying to see his face at the other end after a run, but it wasn’t going to happen. We dragged it back to the pit where I worked on sorting out a fire system line in the elbow area which had given him grief, I could flip the fitting and get more room there that would help me too.

It was Tuesday before we got the car back to the start again. As we were staging we realized that the new steering wheel boss had a problem when assembled the quick release fitting had been attached backwards leaving the shaft proud and unable to lock into the fitting, Jon Bennett disappeared with it, twenty minutes later we were ready to run, he'd effected a perfect repair not a bodge up. It was lucky Grumm hadn’t left the line the day before with the wheel in that state.

I had been as anxious as it was possible to be, I’d felt lkike vomiting for the previous few hours and was getting sharp powerful cramps from electrolyte depletion, in my legs, back, feet and hands, it was really really hot.

The new engine combo sounded brutal, a manic bark and loopy idle got people’s attention. …My legs felt weak and the clutch in the car is unforgiving. I was in, the canopy down and I was waved away….the F truck pushed and I fumbled with the 1-2 gear lever, it felt like rubber again, again, again nothing. I grabbed the 3-4 it didn’t feel much better, once , twice, three times, I thought about pulling off the track, clunk , I was in third, I looked up the track which had received several hundred cor-flutes since our complaint the day before was ahead of me , my leg buckled and I stepped into it. There was a whiff of clutch and the car shot off. There were a few seconds as I thought “FMD , here I am” I centred the car and collected myself as  I realized I had a bit of space under the throttle, I decked it and the car pulled hard, real hard. I settled in aiming down the middle and listening to the motor, my first glance showed 154mph on the GPS, just past my 150 shift point, I missed the first poke but she dropped into fourth on the second push. The car seemed to accelerate harder again in top. I looked down 185, back up as the car shook violently and skittered on the track, 194 , the track was narrower and the cones were getting closer together, 199, this was taking forever but in reality 8 or ten seconds had passed. The next time I looked it said 206, then 207 , then 206 I passed the four, then it seemed like no time and the sign said six, I buttoned off and rolled. I shifted back to third at 140 so it must have been the eight that I turned off at as I didn’t see the “adequately” marked turn out at the seven. I made a few hundred yards before losing the return road and hitting the crunchies, clunk, clunk, clunk silence.

I popped the canopy and stood up fumbling with my gloves I finally got the helmet and HANS off, it was dead silent……

“I F***** DID IT” !

I screamed with all my lungs, once twice, three times and then a few more times just for good measure, “ I love you little car” …..I patted the top of the cage and laughed , and then yelled a bit more. As I stepped out I noticed oil, lots of it, coming out of the cowl, the tail….

It was three or four minutes before Grumm, Pete and Damon in the F truck arrived,

” you ran 205”we all shook hands and grinned like five year olds, “but that’s as fast as it will go….” I said
….we slid a tarp under the car and grabbed a spade to collect the oiled down salt and hitched her up, we drove back to the pits elated.

Opening her up we found oil from a-hole to breakfast time, but it seemed to coming from the front. A friend of Tiny’s son called Damon had hooked up with us. A diesel fitter from Broken Hill he’d followed the SOS’s fortunes on the net and was keen to help, we needed it. It turned out the front seal had blown out, we pulled the balancer and there it hung. It was glued back in and punched for good measure.

Then there was the othe other issue. We’d run the 2.56:1 rear end and I’d run the same speed for 3 miles, we had the same rev limit, 205.088 was 6375rpm. We decided to change the ratio. That meant hoisting the car and removing the tub and tail. Not long after the run a guy had come up to congratulate me, he seemed every bit as happy as me….     ” Mate, Andre’s my name, I love that car, congratulations, what are you gonna do now?” He followed me back to the pit, when we said we were going to change the ratio he said” I’m an engineer at a factory, I’m kind of mechanically mninded, been around cars my whole life…” he was a diff whiz and took control of the job. We had people come from everywhere, the car was hoisted, the tail and tub came off, the exhaust, the fuel tank, the tailshaft scatter shield….the pinion was loose. We had to hoist the engine to get the tailshaft enough room to come out of the pinion yoke, we got a half inch. By the time the back-plate came off we could see that the pinion had been colliding with the carrier and had taken about a desert-spoon full of metal off it that had collected on the magnet in the housing. Andre looked over everything and decided we were good to go, we didn’t have a bearing for the 2.28 and the 2.41 had been set up in the housing so that was the job. In just over three hours we had the new gears installed and everything buttoned up again, in the process we’d replaced the crank-angle sensor which had been bothered by it’s close contact with the seal housing.

It was 10.30am Thursday as I sat on the line again. Luke Zietara who had come to my place to shoot some footage for a 3D doco he is putting together set up at the line filming. This time I wasn’t anxious, this time I was ready to give it a real kicking, everything went together better, I felt more focused, they pushed me off, the motor sounded great, I’d decided to leave in third again, I slipped the clutch, the motor stalled, I pressed the button, nothing, I dropped the clutch, nothing, I turned out at a hundred yards. We quickly dragged the car back around and requested to be added to back of the group. The cowl came off, it was the crank angle sensor. Both Grumm and I had brough a are, because it looked cleaner Grumm had decided to use the one I brought….it was cleaner because I has taken it out of the holder and cleaned it, when I put it back it wasn;t adkjusted properly…both our faults. We took her back to the pit, pulled the balancer and replaced it. We then joined the back of the enormous line at pre-stage/marshalling, our final run would be Friday.

We were in the second group of ten on Friday, this time I felt at ease, completely focused.
I would leave in third, change at 150mph , and see what happened. We had Nat a journalist from Australian Geographical Magazine and her photographer in the push car, this had better work I thought. I felt great, the track looked wide and welcoming, I felt great in the car, I was itching to go, I did. I didn’t wait for the three toots as I was pushed off, I bounced the clutch and the car shot forward, I dropped it and eased in. I got the car settled in the middle of the track and stepped into the throttle, it was really pulling hard and it felt great, there was no wind and I could choose where I wanted it on the track rather than steering to keep it centred. There was a plume of smoke hanging in the cab, and I’d swallowed about half the clutch compound in the launch, yhr stench was so bad I could almost chew it…., I could tell the smoke was diff oil ( spilt on the exhaust during the ratio change)by the smell and I figured that they way it was sitting there that the canopy was leaking because normally smoke gets pulled straight out, but there it was hovering in front of me I could hear the cam coming on and looked down to the GPS, it took a couple of goes to focus as it was a little low, 148mph, I changed in a clean shot and floored it , The front end started to chatter, each wheel alternately at a pretty high frequency, I was worried I just watched it go , it subsided, then started again, I could tell it was due to the track and it didn’t upset the car so I stayed in it hard.  Now we were boogeying, next time I looked it was 185, then 194, then 208. I forgot about the GPS and concentrated on the track, next thing it was the six mile, I let it off and rolled, at 154 I shifted back to 3rd and had a toe on the brake. I hit the seven mile turn off at a hundred ,m the car had stalled as I turned out, I pressed the starter nothing, I tried a few roll starts, nothing, the car was slowing quickly …… I rolled as far as I could and got out as the Rescue team raced toward me, I stood on the car and gave them a double thumbs up. “Are you OK?”….”yeah, I’m fine I yelled back”….they had huge grins on their faces “YOU RAN 215!” they shouted  as they jumped out of the truck to push me away from the course…. My legs were like jelly but they mustered and we pushed the car another couple of hundred yards clear, they shook my hand and radioed through….

”Northern Rescue to timers, little bellytank 374 clear of the course”


As they drove away I laughed , all the anxiety, all the hard work, all the hiccups? They were gone, the little tank that could was on its way………the offer we’d had for help with a stand alone ECU was going to make this thing a contender, she’d pulled the 2.41 just like the 2.56…….we just needed more revs.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 23, 2013, 08:08:24 PM
more pics of the S.O.S

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(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/P2210144_zpsc4a8a2e6.jpg)

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/P2210187_zps3d6e9c2e.jpg)

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/P2210179_zps5b6f5b32.jpg)

I got home last night and drove the rig straight into the drive......it's hot out there and there is two inches of clearance either side of the gate pylons.....it's gonna be tedious, dusty but I hope scrape free...I just hope no-one is in a real hurry to get past our house today because it's gonna be a traffic jam out there for a while :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: manta22 on February 23, 2013, 08:09:33 PM
Great story-- congratulations!

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on February 23, 2013, 08:11:03 PM
 :-D ear to ear  :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on February 23, 2013, 08:39:21 PM
Now that is more news... four runs over a week is not so bad given the changes/repairs made. We can make a better shaped chair insert for you Grumm and so let's put that on the list,

d

If I could lose twenty or so Kilos and had legs that worked in the same plane as those kooky pedals, and perhaps a longer right arm to reach the gearshift. maybe move the top of the roll cage so I can get out of it by myself. I have two huge bruises under my arms from the one time I tried to get out with all the gear on, and now the record is over 200 the fire suit is different
Nope, it's not designed for me , it's designed for you and a seat isn't going to fix it
Four runs in a week is a bit ordinary if you ask me
I'll have to look at the stats for each course at Bonneville and see how they compare


I would like to post some pictures, but someone borrowed my card reader at the lake and I forgot to get it back
I also forgot who borrowed it, so If you're reading this, can I have my card reader back, please.
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 23, 2013, 09:04:36 PM
...Maybe it was Pete's I saw....

Change your signature line, I did my best to break that bullet, put it down as one of the few failures of the week. :wink:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on February 23, 2013, 09:05:33 PM
Gentlemen (and I use that word cautiouusly, of course) - - Nancy and I send our hearty corngratulations and smiles.  Finally!  A good week on the salt, and some good runs.  Good runs aren't just going really danged fast, they're runs when you learn things and when you get part way from your old best speed to a new higher one, and - when you finally go fast!  Wonderful.  Fun.  Great stuff.

And thanks for the fine publicity shots of the SOS wearing the landracing.com sticker.  Folks - if the truth be told, I had a bit to do with that -- asking Dr. G. if he'd like a sticker for the car.  He explained as to how the car's color scheme was such and such and he didn't know if the artistic designer would approve of the extra hue (black) -- but what the heck?  I went to the local sign shop (that's done all of the sticker for Nancy and me) and told Doug the story of this Australian belly tank car and how it'd wear our sticker if I sent it -- and when I went back an hour later to get it -- he had made four of them -- and said "No Charge".  Thanks to Signs Unlimited of Marquette, and best wishes to everyone for a good SpeedWeek on Lake Gairdner.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on February 23, 2013, 09:19:41 PM
DR. G---my good Dr. G---what a fine read about what had to be a fun fun high gear PULL----like a frt. train I think u said..here's to more R's :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:  hat shot  :? where's the dern hat shot  :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on February 23, 2013, 09:24:29 PM
Dig it. Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 23, 2013, 09:28:56 PM
DR. G---my good Dr. G---what a fine read about what had to be a fun fun high gear PULL----like a frt. train I think u said..heres to more R's :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:  hat shot  :? where's the dern hat shot  :-D

they have to get a special order TO FIT MY HUGE FAT HEAD.........when I asked they said the record has to be certified, then I get the hat.

Thanks Torsen brother :cheers: :cheers:

oh, here we go a red Mr Potato head hat, will that do?

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Gentlemen (and I use that word cautiouusly, of course) - - Nancy and I send our hearty corngratulations and smiles.  Finally!  A good week on the salt, and some good runs.  Good runs aren't just going really danged fast, they're runs when you learn things and when you get part way from your old best speed to a new higher one, and - when you finally go fast!  Wonderful.  Fun.  Great stuff.

And thanks for the fine publicity shots of the SOS wearing the landracing.com sticker.  Folks - if the truth be told, I had a bit to do with that -- asking Dr. G. if he'd like a sticker for the car.  He explained as to how the car's color scheme was such and such and he didn't know if the artistic designer would approve of the extra hue (black) -- but what the heck?  I went to the local sign shop (that's done all of the sticker for Nancy and me) and told Doug the story of this Australian belly tank car and how it'd wear our sticker if I sent it -- and when I went back an hour later to get it -- he had made four of them -- and said "No Charge".  Thanks to Signs Unlimited of Marquette, and best wishes to everyone for a good SpeedWeek on Lake Gairdner.

hey, it was a pleasure there are more Jon, just let me settle back in....

Dig it. Wayno

I thought of you more than once through the week, aaaaaaaaaaaaaand there were people asking me about you, aaaaaaaaaaaaaand the truck wore the Rodge sticker well...... happy to know you bro. :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on February 23, 2013, 09:39:07 PM
Thanks Torsen brother

nice little club we have-- is it not  :roll: here's to the 2.14, 30" and hairdryers
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on February 23, 2013, 10:05:23 PM
Great story James and Graham... congratulations guys, seems every time I open this thread there are 2 more pages to read, this last 2 were the best in a while. 
See you in August  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Kiwi Paul on February 23, 2013, 10:09:34 PM
Well Done, really well done....... :cheers: :cheers:I think the Sunshine Saga has more to be told yet. I`ll buy the Apple Juice this August..... :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on February 23, 2013, 10:26:53 PM
to A "Big Apple Juice" and tres amigos  :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Freud on February 23, 2013, 10:32:56 PM
If you run the long course at B'ville I am inviting you to turn off a bit early

and Kepner will give you a bottle of water if you stop at the Kilo Klub.

We will even make certain that you know your speed exactly when you step out.

Cheri will be the presenter. Bret will be looking at the video.

FREUD
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 23, 2013, 10:37:54 PM
If you run the long course at B'ville I am inviting you to turn off a bit early

and Kepner will give you a bottle of water if you stop at the Kilo Klub.

We will even make certain that you know your speed exactly when you step out.

Cheri will be the presenter. Bret will be looking at the video.

FREUD

Thanks Pa, you know how much I want to do that.

The story of you meeting Simon got told a few times this week...... 8-)

PS. thanks Paul and Bob......


do I get an owl stuffed with peanut butter with that apple juice?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: salt27 on February 24, 2013, 12:04:21 AM
My friend Dr. G, WOW is all I can think of right now.

Salute :cheers:
  Don
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Tman on February 24, 2013, 12:17:59 AM
I have TWO of those IPAs for you to celebrate with this year!@!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on February 24, 2013, 12:22:40 AM
...Maybe it was Pete's I saw....

That's right
Pete borrowed it
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on February 24, 2013, 12:41:01 AM
Onya Goggs & Grumm, phucking ripper guys. :cheers: :cheers:
I really feel for Dik, parked over in Pomgolia!
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Rocket3 on February 24, 2013, 02:13:24 AM
 :cheers: Well done Stewie, Grumm and crew. Dik, you gunna be here in 2014? You'd look good in a red hat too :-) Stewie, you've got a slab comin your way! Choose your poison :-)  :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: tauruck on February 24, 2013, 02:45:24 AM
Congratulations from a hot and sunny South Africa. You guys are an inspiration. The pics, the report and the record are awesome!!!. Good to hear you all got home safely. I would have loved to have been in the F truck on the way home. That must have been something. :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Graham in Aus on February 24, 2013, 05:46:51 AM
Well done guys, I had great faith in you making it!  :cheers:

Gripping write up too James, love it!

Well done to all the SOS team, the rev will have to give the Morrie Traveller some stick on the way to work tomorrow!

Cheers!!  :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: PJQ on February 24, 2013, 06:22:00 AM
Sorry Grum,
 :roll: Got your card reader here in Evil Adelaide, be home tomorrow night.
Grab one from a shop I'll pay you back.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on February 24, 2013, 06:24:34 AM
The Traveller is up on blocks in the back yard as I am replacing the rear axle due to the spring perches having rotted away allowing the axle to rotate (!). But I will definately give her a bit more wellie next drive. I do love driving it actually, old school motoring with no ssynchro in first.

Stewy is saying it may be too early to take it to Bonneville, I think its about right... how about an online vote? If not successful for the first year I am sure we could find someone who would "mind it" while we prepared for another run the following year...?

What's the consensus? Wait and get it right (and risk someone else blowing the record out of the salty water?) Or put our money down and play?

It will be a team decision of course but we consider the forum "family" and so there will be some influence and meaningful discussion I am sure.

Reverend Hedgash
agitprop
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on February 24, 2013, 08:22:41 AM
The Traveller is up on blocks in the back yard as I am replacing the rear axle due to the spring perches having rotted away allowing the axle to rotate (!).

Rusted spring perches?  Rotating axles?  Sounds like somebody grafted a Triumph rear end into it.

Ah, somebody is pressing from, what was it called, Pomgolia?  That's an impressive piece if literary imagery.

Time to weigh options -

The car clearly shows potential - holds a record, perhaps a bit of chassis sorting to assure the shakes don't return, clean aero, enthusiastic crew and world-wide support of the project.

And nothing would delight me more than to see this car in the flesh in August.

On the other hand, I'm reminded of the Bacchus Marsh guys who have brought the Healey Streamliner over twice, and each time, despite what was clearly a really well put together car, had issues that had not been sorted out completely before they put it in the container.

Your very puzzling issue of not being able to turn over 6400 has absolutely got to be handled before you start shopping for shipping quotes.

On top of that, you'll need to tune it for 4200 feet above sea level, rather than 120.

Outside pressure?  In addition to Dik's goading, Gas Lakester has more competitors here in the states, and if somebody makes a breakthrough with a car with similar aero and a lot more horses, it could be a long time putting Sunshine back on track for an American record and a hat.

It's been a long, productive week - heck, three years - for Team Sunshine, and I'm certainly not trying to throw a wet blanket on the enthusiasm, nor diminish your success.  I am pointing out to you and your fans the obvious hurdles and the potential need for urgency and a swift resolution.

So Dik, right now, I'm standing with James - it's not quite there yet.  But James, if there is any way you can get the engine issue sorted out by late May, and unless there are cards you’re not showing, 2013 just might be the year.

Congratulations, my friends.

 :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on February 24, 2013, 08:31:49 AM
find the Rs first!!!! I think you nearly have to know your power band  and how for up it goes.  With a DYNO SHEET -- we can spread sheet formula to find the best gear-tire combo at targeted speed for the best TE. 

Dr G ---I would go back on the dyno with a stand alone ECU FIRST!!   Find out IF the snarly little beast has a powerband 2000-2500 above 6375!!  It is going to be a great year if it does!!!
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on February 24, 2013, 08:33:22 AM
find the Rs first!!!!

X 2 !
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on February 24, 2013, 10:28:41 AM
The Traveller is up on blocks in the back yard as I am replacing the rear axle due to the spring perches having rotted away allowing the axle to rotate (!). But I will definately give her a bit more wellie next drive. I do love driving it actually, old school motoring with no ssynchro in first.

Stewy is saying it may be too early to take it to Bonneville, I think its about right... how about an online vote? If not successful for the first year I am sure we could find someone who would "mind it" while we prepared for another run the following year...?

What's the consensus? Wait and get it right (and risk someone else blowing the record out of the salty water?) Or put our money down and play?

It will be a team decision of course but we consider the forum "family" and so there will be some influence and meaningful discussion I am sure.

Reverend Hedgash
agitprop

Dik, If you guys decide to hit Bvill, you're welcome to work out of my place. I'm just over the hill from the salt, there's an empty house for you & we'll make room in the shop beside the liner.
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on February 24, 2013, 10:56:04 AM
Regarding the Mister Potato Head hat, I didn't exactly picture THAT red hat on you.  :roll:  I did notice the sticker not only on the push truck but in the SoS as well. Someday I'll make it over there.  :wink: I hope you gave my best to those whom asked of me. Once more, good job my friend(s).  :cheers: Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on February 25, 2013, 01:50:03 PM
Well sounds like its unanimous, we are going to Bonneville!

It seems that no-one put forward any arguments forward other than getting the engine revving (suspension was determined as track issues?) and that can be resolved by a new ecu and Dino session?

Huh, huh, can we huh?

RH+
Minister of Agitprop
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Jon on February 25, 2013, 02:34:05 PM
None of mine business but I recon another year of tinkering that didn't involve major works like the diff changeover and motor rebuilt that take up big chunks of time and fun vouchers would see another big leap.

I'm calling a 250mph pass in 12 months with the ideas Goggles and Grumm shared at the lake.

That motor is strong, the aero is good.
jon
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 25, 2013, 02:43:54 PM
Smart man that Jon Bennet.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Tman on February 25, 2013, 02:46:52 PM
We will see you boys Stateside! :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on February 25, 2013, 03:44:09 PM
We will see you boys Stateside! :cheers:

Most likely, but you will have to come here to see the car
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on February 25, 2013, 04:49:57 PM
Most likely, but you will have to come here to see the car
G

 :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Jon on February 25, 2013, 05:35:12 PM
Grumm

Has Goggles been sniffing the yellow paint again???

During Speedweek Goggles misplaced his glasses just before a run.
I was swanning around doing very little so I went for a look in their pits, I didn't find the glasses but I did find a carefully sealed jar of yellow paint, I'm not sure if it was meant to be in with the electrical gear...

Jon
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on February 25, 2013, 05:50:37 PM
I did find a carefully sealed jar of yellow paint, I'm not sure if it was meant to be in with the electrical gear...

LOL  :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on February 25, 2013, 06:11:17 PM
 :-o ROTFLMAO  :-D  :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on February 25, 2013, 08:29:41 PM
That was the backup paint
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: wobblywalrus on February 25, 2013, 09:10:59 PM
Is there a rev limit programmed into something?  Congratulations on your successful week, or last couple of years, really.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: salt27 on February 25, 2013, 11:34:04 PM
That was the backup paint
G


Incase the wiring suffered a scrape? :roll:

  Don
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 26, 2013, 03:25:54 AM
I'm happy to go along with this, but it wasn't me who painted the wiring in the first place.....but keep it coming I have an insatiable appetite for s***-canning. When on the salt I kind of like to get around in the Nomex, it's cool and keeps the sun off. After my first run I managed to wipe my hand on my butt when it had some copper anti-sieze on it, leaving a brown stripe up my crack, I managed to wear that around for a few hours, classy.I'm sure there are photo's.

We haven't even started really, what about our sponsor Pope irrigation products? Jon gave a salient lesson on pressure differentials when it was pointed out that the piece of garden hose I had used on the crankcase evac was probably collapsing....."not if there is any pressure in the crankcase" he said......now, I need to tell you that I had put a piece of that hose there when we went to the dyno and the Colonel wasn't all that impressed......I assumed a few weeks back that if I put a piece of it on the motor again that the Colonel would quickly materialize with a piece of half inch vac hose. I was wrong.

That was small beer.

We made other wholesale changes to the car, for all the anxiety i had been through regarding some of the changes they didn't just not raise any eyebrows, there was nary a "meh"........... we had the 5kgs of AFFF in the cab, I looked through the window of production sedans that will never reach the 200 requirement for extra extinguishant and saw their little bottles and their twenty times( maybe thirty) greater  cabin spaces, their front engines and their tendency to spin and wondered about the rules........

I rang the guy who we paid to set the rear end up and told him we'd run 205mph, he didn't believe me initially, then I told him we'd swapped in the 2.41 and run 215 in the same distance with two clocks to go, I didn't want him thinking he'd taken money off dreamers, and I thanked him for everything he'd done. I should point out that Andre who helped us/took charge of the diff swap made use of the Silverton boys BBQ to heat a bearing in the midst of the job, a true champ. That BBQ also fed us a few nights , that helped too.

Jon Bennet was a great help in that "get stuff done" way......I didn't blab but Jon had made  us a set of foils for the front axle and tie rods and another set for the rear axles, I just ran out of time to fit them and didn't want to wreck them in a rush. Dave, Jon's son ( who, btw ran 202 on the GPS course on his 1000APS bike first year out) helped too....

Nigel, Brett's fellow traveller weighed in and has offered us a bunch of electromotive stuff....from what I have read there is something in the VE table in the Delco computer that is hard to avoid and kicks in at about 64-6600rpm. with what Nigel has offered we just need to buy the brain. Damon from Broken Hill was invaluable , smart and good on the tools , he's been a fan of the car...he just wanted a photo of him in it, hell we gave him a t-shirt too....it's embarrassing the number of people who just threw their all in for the little car.

Well sounds like its unanimous, we are going to Bonneville!

It seems that no-one put forward any arguments forward other than getting the engine revving (suspension was determined as track issues?) and that can be resolved by a new ecu and Dino session?

Huh, huh, can we huh?

RH+
Minister of Agitprop

Being the guy who has been doing the bulk of the work I'm telling you it ain't going to happen this year unless a big cheque with my name on it arrives in the mail with no return address.I've spent more in the last three years than many Bonneville entrants have spent on their vehicle and I'm not punting more on a vanity project, the risks are too great.Cancellation? I've been there and seen teams with a little more coin and logistical expertise take one in the tradesman's entrance and fall short of even modest expectations..........

Years ago when Jack Dolan explained the type of motor we should build and then explained it was because it would do what we needed and wouldn't hurt itself  he backed it up by saying "because if you build a high-revving hi-comp motor and break it, you'll never be able to afford to build another one". We have him to thank for positioning this whole deal where it is now......

I'm calling a 250mph pass in 12 months with the ideas Goggles and Grumm shared at the lake.
That motor is strong, the aero is good.
jon

When that motor will run to 7200-7500rpm and still have all the oil on the inside I might think a little differently but there is never going to be suspension on that car and I am the only person who can make an informed decision about that.....do you want me to lift it up off the ground too? I have some ideas about damping the front axle but people who are telling us we need suspension are farting above their arses.

I unloaded the car yesterday and thought about the beaut 36 degree day I had loading it, when the cross bar of the hoist hit me on the head, twice. I put the front axle on the stands after hosing it and then put a litre of WD40 in my Wurth sprayer and dumped it into the car.....I hadn't done it the day before as I was a little tired and had knocked my gate off with the trailer...that put me in the wrong frame of mind...that's the sort of frame of mind I'm in now....first day of work, absolutely exhausted and broke.

But I've got time to sleep and I get paid next week :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on February 26, 2013, 03:55:53 AM
Dr G, that all makes sense.

Cheer up, you just ran 215mph in a car you built in the backyard out bits found, borrowed annd stolen! That should be your beacon of joy when times seem tough always.

As for the dough let me handle that if and when we decide to go. It should not be a factor in our decision to go, only mechanical issues.

dik

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Momec on February 26, 2013, 04:34:34 AM
Dik

The car that dropped it's motor was Bridgey's F100. They also lost the motor in another car of theirs. They took 3 cars down, the Effy, a 260Z and a Falcon ute (a former brute ute racer).

Apparently there was another accident with a former NASCAR rolling over. The car is a wreck but the driver was OK.

Temps have been hot with one day being 42 degrees C or over 100 F. The track sounds good if the SoS and Norm's 34 have all been over 200. Sounds like the worst year that we could not go to the lake.

I got a phone call last night from Big Gaz. He's been doing his licencing runs for the Jag on the GPS course and aced the 125 & 150 mph passses before moving on to the Long Course for the 175mph and chute pull. He overcooked it and did the first mile at 191mph before slowing it down and doing the chute pull. While he did do the 3rd mile at 175 they have ruled that he do it again. So today is 175 again and then on to 200. From the sounds of it he should get there as he reports that he has too much power and needs to feather the throttle to get traction and the 191 that he did was in either 3rd or 4th gear. The gearbox is a Doug Nash close ratio 5 speed and the 5th is 1:1 so he is still getting there. Based on gearing and engine revs (he's limited it to 6500) it can do 200. We also calculated that it needed 450hp for 200 and he's got 868hp. Next year may see the hunt on for a 9 inch ratio lower than 2.5:1?

People are starting to leave the salt as they wrap up their racing which should shorten queues and allow more runs per team. The GPS track is still good with more runs per team than the Long course. Typically on a Thursday you can treat the GPS course as a circuit with little to no waiting.

Lynchy

Sorry Lynchy,
We only lost the motor in the F Truck, Alvin the AU is still running. It was my shakedown run in the Effie and it had the standard high oil temp versus low oil pressure problem and ran a bearing at the 3/4 mile.
I rolled through the last 1/4 mle for a 184mph on a 117mph Aussie record or C/PP Bonneville record held by Chock Full of Nuts at 185mph.
Never ever will I run wet sump again.
The AU Ford Ute Alvin survived with a 181mph in D/Pro on a 179mph record that Mark Hadfield had set over nearly a decade and we also got D/ProUte at I think 176mph.
They disallowed my first 186mph chute pull run cause the chute cable missed by 1mm.
Chris Hanlon
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Momec on February 26, 2013, 04:47:11 AM
Heh Doc,

Congrats, long time coming with the big 200mph.
Tell me, did we leave you bogged in the bulldust?
I thought you were tooting goodbye but Kathy said "I think they wanted you to stop cause their stuck"?
Now you may need to explain Bulldust to the Septics

Chris
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 26, 2013, 05:28:06 AM
Heh Doc,

Congrats, long time coming with the big 200mph.
Tell me, did we leave you bogged in the bulldust?
I thought you were tooting goodbye but Kathy said "I think they wanted you to stop cause their stuck"?
Now you may need to explain Bulldust to the Septics

Chris

who was that old guy in the truck?......he jumped on the anchors in front of us, got out and said" gee, you surprised me getting through that" and then drove off, whaddayaknow? pulling to a rapid stop to avoid hitting him had bogged us..... thanks , ya old duffer. :roll: :roll: then we had to get towed out, so um, yes were were bogged.

For those who don't know bulldust is talc like dust that settles in big drifts, the 100 mile dirt road to Gairdner is a good place to find it....where we got stuck was a dry creek crossing where the road was soft sand and bulldust about six inches deep for a few hundred yards long....forward momentum is the key to getting across it, to make matters worse most of the fifteen miles of the actual lake rd was severely corrugated....
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Lynchy on February 26, 2013, 06:09:31 AM
Chris

Apologies, was working off dodgy info....

Well done on the record by the way! What was the Effy motor? Cleveland???

And so we don't hijack the thread - Love your work Goggles, Colonel, Hedgash and crew! If you go to Bonneville Gaz and I will have to go over as well!

Lynchy
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on February 26, 2013, 09:31:23 AM
thanks to all for the great read---will help on getting out in the shop and spending more time on the WW on these cold days  :-)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on February 26, 2013, 10:10:41 AM
thanks to all for the great read---will help on getting out in the shop and spending more time on the WW on these cold days  :-)
Come on Sparky! Ya live in Phoenix, "cold days". That sounds like "bull dust" too me Mate.
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on February 26, 2013, 11:16:06 AM
every thing is realitive   :-D ,we have had high hummidity high30s to mid50 days, to desert rats--- well that seems that is cold to me with no heat--lol 

I just knew one of you northern guys were going to bust my chops---lol
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on February 26, 2013, 11:43:04 AM
High temp for Marquette in the past few MONTHS is in the mid-30s.  Outdoor humidity stays fairly high - 60 - 90%, because of the cold air, but indoors we run the humidifier to keep things up to 30%.

I keep the garage/shop at a lowest of 41F.  It's fairly comfortable in there -- can turn it up to anything I want and it gets there within a half-hour.  The return line from the outdoor boiler goes through a water-to-air intercooler/heat exchanger which is coupled to the fan in the (propane) unit heater.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 26, 2013, 04:48:28 PM
oh no, the domestic climate control nerds have crashed the party :roll: :roll: :roll:

email and PMs running hot here after a good week....slow down people I'm still collecting my shattered body and mind.....the F truck ran without a hitch there and back, I washed it and that was the signal for the bugs to break out....here's an email exchange.....Grumm Jon, me....

   Hi Goggles
     Can you post my horse collar up when you get back on this planet please, getting ready for the final fit of my belts.
    
     Don't worry about buying one, unless we are in the same group of ten we could crawl back and get it to each other in time for the next person to run.
    
     Regards
     jon

 I think that is with Graham, he'll respond no doubt....

    I'm still zonked , have to drive to Sale today...beaut.

    F truck burnt some wiring yesterday so there really is a god, it's just when the shift changed and the Holden god came on yesterday he looked down , saw me, and went "WTF are you doing dickhead" and smoked my ignition wiring.... "there , that'll learn ya for driving a Ford, and enjoying it"

cheers ,JS

   A Cleveland smoking an ignition wire, unheard of.....

Regards
jon  
 

 I can do that, but I guess I'll need an address
And 'cos it's worth a bit how would you like it sent

Look at it this way Goggs
If you carry about three feet of wire with a terminal on one end and a alligator clamp on the other, when you take it off the car and roll it up in your pocket
it will be much harder to steal
G



Hey ,page 241...like 2.41:1...huh? huh? huh?



  
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: generatorshovel on February 26, 2013, 08:07:47 PM
Another Doc video in the pits when the blown seal was discovered (plus Simon's "man moment" )

http://youtu.be/e25EEDp8n1o

Tiny
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on February 26, 2013, 10:28:15 PM
Youtube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPR_TPYT8HA
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Jack Gifford on February 27, 2013, 01:25:51 AM
... They disallowed my first 186mph chute pull run cause the chute cable missed by 1mm...
Missed what?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 27, 2013, 02:10:15 AM
... They disallowed my first 186mph chute pull run cause the chute cable missed by 1mm...
Missed what?

I think what we have here is a failure to communicate.

We have confused a metric measurement for distance with an imperial measurement for velocity. I suspect what our friend had wished to say was "1mph", there is another possibility , the pin stayed in the loop by 1mm...... who knows either he was going to fast by 1mph or the chute didn't come out.....

 what is more significant is he had an incident where the bonnet( what you guys call a hood) whipped up and took him off the track, through the new Tag Heuer timing lights......................

I have to say I really liked the Jag, clean work, simple form, neat work. It was great to finally see it on the salt, big up to Gary for his efforts and for all he does for the club.......please, please, please don't put one of those rubbish V12's in it Gary
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Rob on February 27, 2013, 02:20:53 AM
Chris needed to trim another millimeter from his cable inner for the chute to release. he wasn't alone in that during the week.

Gary already has a couple of V12s and one is destined for twin turbos and no hole in the bonnet (hood). The culprit for the Jag spin was the front bumper, it flexed and allowed pressure to build in the engine bay. It will be different next year although the car will still run the blown Cleveland. It ran strong right up until the spin.

Well done on the 215 Doc, I'll keep an eye out for another of those Sunshine plaques for you.

Cheers,
Rob
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: PJQ on February 27, 2013, 04:21:42 AM
Lidded Grumm & The Effie
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-DhVMBIhlcNc/US3L8ctIAdI/AAAAAAAAAQ4/fM9--YoAnRQ/s800/_2192703.jpg)

Fireman entertains
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-hle-zQ5fDHA/US3L8vgXnoI/AAAAAAAAAQ8/mmZLYm0n_1g/s800/_2192725.jpg)

Start line readiness
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-60Zt6CqgFIM/US3L8mFRijI/AAAAAAAAARA/-od-UfLrbPo/s800/_2192739.jpg)

Congratulations 205!
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-Gs1lXf_oiyc/US3L9Mev4ZI/AAAAAAAAARI/M-pXga_fez0/s800/_2192745.jpg)

Serenade for new motorbike scruitineer Ross.. Doo-Dah Doo-Dah
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-iMn_y7aJLy4/US3L9r3PfDI/AAAAAAAAARU/xyPXNYy56uw/s800/_2212922.jpg)

Happy Snappers
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-bVvrT3gTFLg/US3L9oOYfZI/AAAAAAAAARQ/IR8ewxvTFn0/s800/_2212944.jpg)

Sunshine at sunset
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-5uZAqT7Z2z4/US3L91HmNSI/AAAAAAAAARY/6J_9IjGkuZM/s800/_2212951.jpg)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on February 27, 2013, 10:38:55 AM
Good pics Mate, looks like you had some ugly sky there for a bit!
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: tauruck on February 27, 2013, 12:14:30 PM
Awesome. I can smell the barbie and beer from here. Great pics and an inspiration. Thanks so much. :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: PJQ on February 27, 2013, 05:29:29 PM
One more for the fans of sunset pics. Hard to take a bad photo out there.

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-DlEIHkJrmBc/US6IGtPVqJI/AAAAAAAAAR0/iHgCfDVRWME/s800/_2212954.jpg)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on February 27, 2013, 05:42:05 PM
One more for the fans of sunset pics. Hard to take a bad photo out there.

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-DlEIHkJrmBc/US6IGtPVqJI/AAAAAAAAAR0/iHgCfDVRWME/s800/_2212954.jpg)

It's nice that they'll let you hang out on the salt that late in the day.

There should be a calendar under that one.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on February 27, 2013, 06:33:43 PM
Since they're from the underside of the world -- did anyone but me notice that the rays from the sun behind the clouds are coming down in reverse direction? :evil:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Freud on February 27, 2013, 07:11:32 PM
Slim......You didn't really say that did you?

FREUD
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Captthundarr on February 27, 2013, 07:15:57 PM
Is this better???

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: DND on February 27, 2013, 07:46:00 PM
I'am a total ' Tank ' nut and what a great photo, just does not get any better than that as it says it all.

Don
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: wobblywalrus on February 27, 2013, 09:18:05 PM
I know, Don.  These guys have turned me into a tank fan.  I never paid all that much attention to them before.  Now I like them a lot.  Almost as much as roadsters.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: DND on February 28, 2013, 12:11:37 AM
I build 1/16 scale model cars and i have 3 salt cars in the works, one is a tank with the look of the Markley car.

Driver inside and just the Hilborn scoop and 4 port on a 6-71 sticking out of the body.

The body is solid resin and is 11" long with bolt on cast Halibrand type wheels.

The other LSR cars are a 32' fuel roadster and a 25' T modified roadster with the same blower set up.

Need to make a windshield for the Tank and i can build one up and see how it looks.

I was there in 63' and saw Markley go 289 mph in his tank and when he stuck it in high gear he spun the tires, WOW i will never forget seeing that run.

Started seeing Tanks run at El Mirage in 59' so i just had to have a tank in my model car line up

Don
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on February 28, 2013, 12:37:41 AM
picts
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Jack Gifford on February 28, 2013, 12:55:56 AM
... needed to trim another millimeter from his cable inner for the chute to release...
Thanks.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: DND on February 28, 2013, 01:11:33 AM
I'am getting some tips on how to post the pics, soon i hope as i'am not a pc guy at all.
Don
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 28, 2013, 03:41:52 AM
Got a call this arvo form a man missing his hat and Ray Bans, it was the guy who took over our diff swap on the salt.....now I know his full name.

Thanks Andre Van Schie, you're a bloody legend  :cheers:

here's some shots from my phone.....

sunset , Pete and the tank...

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/IMAG0666_zps04738e90.jpg)

photo of photog....Simon sneaking up....

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/IMAG0687_zps38c28349.jpg)

Wayne Pickles showed me these off the HK Monaro, a pair of Mickey's , brand new, one scrubbed on the inside, one one the outside...that's gonna keep someone busy with a felt pen.....

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/IMAG0686_zps2d50a67c.jpg)

Hey Bill we machined a bit off the Torsen.....this was after the pinion undid itself....

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/IMAG0678_zps90dfa09c.jpg)

GPS after the first run....

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/IMAG0677_zps15c48010.jpg)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on February 28, 2013, 09:29:30 AM
I "paint" my tires with NAPA tire bead sealer after every race  NAPA's is already diluted, it spreads nicely, then bag them.  Nate Jones advocates this as a way to slow down the oxidation process.   :?

Also: that tire pattern is why a lot of folks advocate keeping your foot in it when you go 'round---protect the tires from flatspotting and lessen the chance of the lead tire tripping the car!
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: twodear on March 02, 2013, 07:04:04 PM
The Jag sounds interesting but what is the name of his build blog? Not sure how to search on this forum, not sure it is even on this forum. Lost and confused...
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Jon on March 02, 2013, 08:00:41 PM
Look for Shaguar on the DLRA forum while you are downloading the rule book ;)

jon
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Lynchy on March 03, 2013, 12:08:36 AM
I started a build diary on Landracing in parallel to the DLRA website when I had some time on my hands. I also sort of dropped off this forum during the great Rat Lips Spamtacular several years ago. I do come now due to these crazy Victorians and their missile + Marlo's unbelievable streamliner. If I get the chance sometime I'll post some of the photos of the Jag from Speed week 2013 that I recently missed.

Oh Yeah, I was given both before and after shots - the after shots are when Gaz had the bonnet pop open on him at 195mph and upset the aero and cause a spin out. So bonnet locks are on the cards now for a car where the bonnet opens arse about.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Freud on March 03, 2013, 12:56:30 AM
Lynchy......I"m happy that you enjoy Marlo's build Diary.

Thanks for the nod.

FREUD and Ray Therat
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Lynchy on March 04, 2013, 01:52:36 AM
Just posted some photos of the Shaguar - it is under "Australian Jaguar Build"

Thanks Guys
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: twodear on March 05, 2013, 04:31:46 PM
...while you are downloading the rule book ;)

jon

 :| YYYYyyyeeeaaaaahhh.......no.

Thanks Jon. Now that i've seen the update for the Jag build on this site I'll check out the DLRA forum.

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on March 10, 2013, 07:53:59 PM
Geez, it's quiet here
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 10, 2013, 08:24:08 PM
Post coital stupor :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Jon on March 10, 2013, 09:38:24 PM
Overshare
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: salt27 on March 10, 2013, 11:19:34 PM
Post coital stupor :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D


Caught that yellow dog did ya. :roll:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 11, 2013, 01:03:59 AM
That "yellow dog" was the former DLRA E/GL record. :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on March 11, 2013, 03:14:59 AM
Shaguar....

And Ferd.....  We all enjoy Marlo's build dairy
And I think I would enjoy Hawaii as well
I might stop there when I drive over from Australia this year???

http://www.dlra.org.au/forum/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=377



G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 11, 2013, 03:42:03 PM
Shaguar....

And Ferd.....  We all enjoy Marlo's build dairy
And I think I would enjoy Hawaii as well
I might stop there when I drive over from Australia this year???

http://www.dlra.org.au/forum/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=377



G

It's been quiet here because each time we fire it up you say something weird like that and our heads are a little raw from scratching 'em. :|
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Jon on March 11, 2013, 06:57:40 PM
Sooo.
What is the 2014 plan then?

jon
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: maj on March 12, 2013, 02:11:20 AM
2013 is not done yet
there is a 1/2 container spare above the bikes  :wink:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: stay`tee on March 12, 2013, 02:42:21 AM
2013 is not done yet
there is a 1/2 container spare above the bikes  :wink:

what an excellent oppertunity,  :wink:,

 ill even tow it from SanFran to Bonneville and back if ya want, :-),, will have a 10' UHaul with spare towbar,,
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 12, 2013, 09:15:51 AM
2013 is not done yet
there is a 1/2 container spare above the bikes  :wink:

Lotto tickets is the only hope I've got  :roll:

Just to let people know the Spirit of Sunshine story isn't on hold, in fact it is as busy AS IT HAS EVER BEEN. Fordboy is crunching numbers for us. We have gone from licking our finger and sticking it up in the wind( man, that could sound really bad) to sitting on the floor with our legs crossed and LISTENING. Mark is trying to set some reasonable parameters for us to work within. As he said " I don't believe in testing to destruction, it is a waste of time and money", we are now drilling down into the real capabilities of the combination we have and looking for untapped potential as well as making ourselves aware of boundaries that we are already leaning heavily against. It seems that we may well keep a 6400 rpm limit on the motor  and seek to slightly shift the torque peak while gearing down further.


The 181ci de-stroked N/A motor is seriously back on the table too.

we did OK this year, but the truth is it just opened the door to a whole room full of !&^*#$ , stay tuned, so to speak. :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on March 12, 2013, 09:36:12 AM
a whole room full of !&^*#$ :cheers:

I've been cleaning out the Pommy Porta Potty for about a year now.  Once one understands HOW on earth the !&^*#$ got stuck to the ceiling in the first place, it saves you from having to completely swab down the whole outhouse.

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 15, 2013, 07:20:00 PM
All I can say is wow!

Thanks Mark, along with the heart-attack breakfast I just had that is going to take some digestion.......


That is EXACTLY what we have needed........


I need three screens to read it all at once................. :cry: :cry:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on March 15, 2013, 07:45:32 PM
I need three screens to read it all at once................. :cry: :cry:
Get a couple of new ink cartridges - I suspect you'll need 'em . . .
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: generatorshovel on March 15, 2013, 08:05:24 PM
There goes your pocket money for a while Rev & Doc .  :-D
Tiny
Title: Stuttgart Mercedes and Porsche Museums
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on March 16, 2013, 06:34:51 AM
While the Colonel and Dr G crunch those numbers (thanksFB) I'll give a report for my visit to Stuttgart's Mercedes Factory and Museum and Porsche Museum visits that I just completed.

Mercedes factory
Stuttgart was bombed heavily during WW2 with the heavy industries of Mercedes (tanks) and Heinkel (planes) being specific targets. Mercedes were one of the few to survive the war and subsequently bought up huge amounts of land around them.

Visiting the factory to pick up the new family car is still a tradition in Germany and so the factory has a much more public persona than many car makers in the rest of the world. This sense of community continues into the factory staff itself where Mercedes’ policy is to never sack an employee (unless there are disciplinary problems) and apparently never has. This is despite the fact the factory is extremely full of very cool robots primarily assembling and checking parts made from other factories in a very impressive and very long line of assembly (this was an engine plant). Amazingly even though mostly populated by robots the factory is not 24/7 but a normal working week with weekends off. This is a product again of community values (religion is still very important in Germany with Sunday still pretty sacrosanct) but also of some financial judgement that the financial advantages for running the plant 24/7 were not enough to justify the managerial and community expense.

Overall a very interesting tour revealling the importance of branding throughout the line and the complexities of making vehicles for every corner of the planet and the variations that necessarily entails. The Quality Control measures were extraordinarily impressive which is a sentence that I didn't think I would be writing anytime soon socially.

Mercedes Museum
The museum located next to the factory is a tower with an awkward façade as this is very much one building designed from the inside out. It is all about the experience and story or Mercedes and is arranged in a chronological order starting from the first car (a Benz) to future concepts and is a luxurious array of beautiful vehicles shown with plenty of space to appreciate them.

After entering the discrete entry, there is an enormous concrete lined atrium where you take lift shuttles inspired from 1930’s sci fi movies. In fact there are a lot of movie inspired details such as the beam-me-up floor from Star Trek to the glowing floor and ceiling from Kubrick’s 2001 A Space odyssey. These display tricks work by giving a familiarity to some of the spaces and an exciting what-could-be imaginative flavour. As can be expected not everyone who comes to these museums is a car tragic and so cleverly there are many other things to entertain those siblings and spouses who are not petrol inlined. For example running parallel with the exhibition there are zeitgeist images and stories showing the cars’ context of their design period which in turn provide much additional interest to just the cars.

I was able to see the very funky corporate entertainment spaces which are rented out 300 nights a year. They are very much a mix of James Bond cocktail bar and swish euro museum and I can see why they are so well used, who wouldn’t want to entertain clients in a business meeting surrounded by some of the most exotic cars in the world?

As for the cars there is everyone that you would expect there with my favourites being the 300SLR (the racing gullwing) that was never actually raced but used as a personal car by the head of the design team, and the reconstructed racecar transporter that I have been thinking about for the past ten years as an influence for the Spirit of Sunshine transporter. The Landspeed car developed just before WW2 was there and looks a lot rougher than I imagined in the bodywork department but I guess it wasn’t quite complete prior to being shelved due to the war.

Overall an excellent museum that I would say is a must visit when in Stuttgart which I give an 8 out of ten with its let down being its lack of refinedness in its exterior and lack of positive relationship with its immediate landscape.

Porsche Museum
Whereas the Mercedes museum was all about the internal experience and story of the cars the Porsche Museum is all about the exterior. Designed in a severely angular way (very reminiscent of the deconstructivist studies of the early nineties but you already knew that didn’t you…) and suffers from all the problems and gratuitous shape making that poor contemporary architecture is often rightly accused of. This building is designed for magazine covers and not for the positive experience of the visitor. For example the majority of arrivals to the museum will be from the excellent local train service yet the museum’s design (nor the station) has no visual consideration of this major entry portal; that is, to actually see the building’s form that it has spent so much money on you have to walk away from the building and cross the road and look back which is not the way to design a grand arrival for the excited visitor.

The interior lacks the interest and mystery that separate spaces can bring as the entire exhibition floor is revealed in one hit which means that there is no wondering what is around the corner and so boredom with the space quickly sets in (especially in conjunction with the completely white interior (save some black surrounds). The great expense to make the building do its structural gymnastics and get the exhibition floor high off the ground with very few columns is not utilised justifiably as the exhibition area has no windows save a few to dull local factory neighbours so the added height is meaningless save an extra escalator journey through a dust ridden void.

The exhibition itself is pretty cold with no photos of the people involved or places that make the story so interesting and human. 90% of the information is delivered with stereo headsets which alienate you from who you went to the museum with and so making the space is an unusually quite almost pharmaceutical space with wired zombies walking around.

There are some gorgeous Porsche cars there (928 longtail a standout and possibly will influence our streamliner body) but without the warming contextual support of people’s stories and other interesting facts this museum misses its mark completely and the opportunity that its exciting exterior promises. It’s odd in that it has all the spaces that a good automobile museum should have and the right budget but it simply has not arranged them, or detailed them, or given the love, or what makes these items so special to people, enough attention, instead they have spent the budget on a grand and ultimately meaningless formal statement of an already dated building style.

There are many ways that this museum could be improved (and simple ones such as having single ear only headsets enabling you to talk to your mate) and there are some construction works going on now so hopefully an improvement in future, but my recommendation now is it is simply for Porsche zealots only. 2/10

End of Sermon
Reverend Hedgash

Title: Stuttgart more photos
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on March 16, 2013, 06:53:54 AM
More images
Title: Porsche photos
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on March 16, 2013, 06:55:05 AM
Porsche photos
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: PorkPie on March 16, 2013, 09:00:20 AM
Reverend, mate....

there you on my place in Germany and you say nothing.....it would be easy to meet and to have some fun together....by the way...in Neckarsulm is the largest motorcycle collection on earth....it is 50 km (30 mph) north of Stuttgart....and in Sinsheim is the famous Blue Flame....is 80 km (50 mph) north....much more to see....

by the way....about your opinion to the museum Mercedes and Porsche....I can confirm this...the Porsche museum is like a fridge...no emotion...
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on March 16, 2013, 10:32:50 AM
Reverend, mate....

there you on my place in Germany and you say nothing.....it would be easy to meet and to have some fun together....by the way...in Neckarsulm is the largest motorcycle collection on earth....it is 50 km (30 mph) north of Stuttgart....and in Sinsheim is the famous Blue Flame....is 80 km (50 mph) north....much more to see....

by the way....about your opinion to the museum Mercedes and Porsche....I can confirm this...the Porsche museum is like a fridge...no emotion...
It probably couldn't get any better than a Porkpie tour!
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on March 16, 2013, 12:56:36 PM
Apologies porkpie but it was a fly in fly out affair of three days with 16 University students in tow. I know that sounds like a party looking for a venue but they are pretty square with very few shenanagins so better wait until I bring the wife over, much more trouble can occur given her part Irish part Spanish part Maori heratage....

 Back in the UK now but planning to be back in Europe over Summer.

dik
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: DPS on March 24, 2013, 04:06:07 AM
For all those who couldn't join James, Pete and Graham at Speedweek, Australia... here is a small visual diary of what I witnessed. Very light on captions... the pictures should do the talking.

SD.


Monday scrutineering

(http://i350.photobucket.com/albums/q429/sdavo66/SOS%20at%20Gairdner/speedweek2103_spd7259.jpg)


Grahams' run...

(http://i350.photobucket.com/albums/q429/sdavo66/SOS%20at%20Gairdner/speedweek2103_spd7519.jpg)

(http://i350.photobucket.com/albums/q429/sdavo66/SOS%20at%20Gairdner/speedweek2103_spd7541.jpg)


For Wayno...

(http://i350.photobucket.com/albums/q429/sdavo66/SOS%20at%20Gairdner/speedweek2103_spd7718.jpg)


Monday evening pits lock down...

(http://i350.photobucket.com/albums/q429/sdavo66/SOS%20at%20Gairdner/speedweek2103_spd7719.jpg)


Tuesday on the main track...

(http://i350.photobucket.com/albums/q429/sdavo66/SOS%20at%20Gairdner/speedweek2103_spd7910.jpg)


When I look at this image I'm reminded of Mawson in Antarctica

(http://i350.photobucket.com/albums/q429/sdavo66/SOS%20at%20Gairdner/speedweek2103_spd7964.jpg)


Tuesday mornings' racing was delayed after a car rolled on the main track. Dr Goggles buckled up and unbuckled more than a few times during the delay.

(http://i350.photobucket.com/albums/q429/sdavo66/SOS%20at%20Gairdner/speedweek2103_spd7969.jpg)

(http://i350.photobucket.com/albums/q429/sdavo66/SOS%20at%20Gairdner/speedweek2103_spd7974.jpg)

(http://i350.photobucket.com/albums/q429/sdavo66/SOS%20at%20Gairdner/speedweek2103_spd7985.jpg)

(http://i350.photobucket.com/albums/q429/sdavo66/SOS%20at%20Gairdner/speedweek2103_spd7981.jpg)


During the delay Pete retired to the F-Truck seeking shade...

(http://i350.photobucket.com/albums/q429/sdavo66/SOS%20at%20Gairdner/speedweek2103_spd8131.jpg)


Dr Goggles retired to his trailer...

(http://i350.photobucket.com/albums/q429/sdavo66/SOS%20at%20Gairdner/speedweek2103_spd8140.jpg)

(http://i350.photobucket.com/albums/q429/sdavo66/SOS%20at%20Gairdner/speedweek2103_spd8145.jpg)


Finally... time to run. The 205 run.

(http://i350.photobucket.com/albums/q429/sdavo66/SOS%20at%20Gairdner/speedweek2103_spd8156.jpg)

(http://i350.photobucket.com/albums/q429/sdavo66/SOS%20at%20Gairdner/speedweek2103_spd8165.jpg)

(http://i350.photobucket.com/albums/q429/sdavo66/SOS%20at%20Gairdner/speedweek2103_spd8177.jpg)


Back in the pits...

(http://i350.photobucket.com/albums/q429/sdavo66/SOS%20at%20Gairdner/speedweek2103_spd8267.jpg)

(http://i350.photobucket.com/albums/q429/sdavo66/SOS%20at%20Gairdner/speedweek2103_spd8515.jpg)

(http://i350.photobucket.com/albums/q429/sdavo66/SOS%20at%20Gairdner/speedweek2103_spd8520.jpg)

(http://i350.photobucket.com/albums/q429/sdavo66/SOS%20at%20Gairdner/speedweek2103_spd8521.jpg)

(http://i350.photobucket.com/albums/q429/sdavo66/SOS%20at%20Gairdner/speedweek2103_spd8526.jpg)

(http://i350.photobucket.com/albums/q429/sdavo66/SOS%20at%20Gairdner/speedweek2103_spd8531.jpg)

(http://i350.photobucket.com/albums/q429/sdavo66/SOS%20at%20Gairdner/speedweek2103_spd8533.jpg)

(http://i350.photobucket.com/albums/q429/sdavo66/SOS%20at%20Gairdner/speedweek2103_spd8587.jpg)


Wednesday morning before sunrise... this is me hanging with the good Doctor and Pete.

(http://i350.photobucket.com/albums/q429/sdavo66/SOS%20at%20Gairdner/speedweek2103_spd8598.jpg)


Wednesday run... only made a quarter mile before returning to the pits.  :cry:

(http://i350.photobucket.com/albums/q429/sdavo66/SOS%20at%20Gairdner/speedweek2103_spd9513.jpg)

(http://i350.photobucket.com/albums/q429/sdavo66/SOS%20at%20Gairdner/speedweek2103_spd9561.jpg)


Thursday... Dr Goggles didn't run so a sunset shoot with a couple of cold beers was the finish to the day.

(http://i350.photobucket.com/albums/q429/sdavo66/SOS%20at%20Gairdner/speedweek2103_sd35290.jpg)

(http://i350.photobucket.com/albums/q429/sdavo66/SOS%20at%20Gairdner/speedweek2103_sd35302.jpg)

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(http://i350.photobucket.com/albums/q429/sdavo66/SOS%20at%20Gairdner/speedweek2103_sd35320.jpg)

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Friday morning... Grumm and Brett DeStoop share some man love. NB: Brett dismounted from his bike at 240mph only a few hours later... he walked away... dazed and confused but with little more than some bark missing and minor bruising.

(http://i350.photobucket.com/albums/q429/sdavo66/SOS%20at%20Gairdner/speedweek2103_spd9798.jpg)


Pre-staging Friday morning...

(http://i350.photobucket.com/albums/q429/sdavo66/SOS%20at%20Gairdner/speedweek2103_spd9800.jpg)

(http://i350.photobucket.com/albums/q429/sdavo66/SOS%20at%20Gairdner/speedweek2103_spd9802.jpg)


Waiting to talk to Dr Goggles... easier to manage after coffee.

(http://i350.photobucket.com/albums/q429/sdavo66/SOS%20at%20Gairdner/speedweek2103_spd9841.jpg)


Front of the pre-stage queue.

(http://i350.photobucket.com/albums/q429/sdavo66/SOS%20at%20Gairdner/speedweek2103_spd9843.jpg)


Heading off on the 215 run.

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(http://i350.photobucket.com/albums/q429/sdavo66/SOS%20at%20Gairdner/speedweek2103_spd0070.jpg)


Packing up...

(http://i350.photobucket.com/albums/q429/sdavo66/SOS%20at%20Gairdner/speedweek2103_spd0511.jpg)


Esky (cooler) bath.

(http://i350.photobucket.com/albums/q429/sdavo66/SOS%20at%20Gairdner/speedweek2103_spd0514.jpg)

(http://i350.photobucket.com/albums/q429/sdavo66/SOS%20at%20Gairdner/speedweek2103_spd0527.jpg)

(http://i350.photobucket.com/albums/q429/sdavo66/SOS%20at%20Gairdner/speedweek2103_spd0528.jpg)


Breaking down the last of the pits...

(http://i350.photobucket.com/albums/q429/sdavo66/SOS%20at%20Gairdner/speedweek2103_spd0534.jpg)

(http://i350.photobucket.com/albums/q429/sdavo66/SOS%20at%20Gairdner/speedweek2103_spd0536.jpg)



all images copyright Simon Davidson
www.simondavidson.com.au (http://www.simondavidson.com.au)






 :cheers:

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 24, 2013, 05:34:20 AM
Beautiful work Simon  :cheers:


(http://i350.photobucket.com/albums/q429/sdavo66/SOS%20at%20Gairdner/speedweek2103_spd7969.jpg)

Can't help but notice Jon Bennet of "Australian Streamliner Bike Build" and his "I reject your reality and substitute my own" t-shirt , what else would a special construction builder wear?.......... Jon was invaluable during the week, the friendships you make.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 24, 2013, 05:54:09 AM
This shot of Simon's is during the diff swap, after we'd found the pinion to be loose. In the middle is Andre Van Schie, diff whiz and on the right is Damon a friend of Tiny's( Generator Shovel here) from Broken hill, who likewise, was invaluable during the week

(http://i350.photobucket.com/albums/q429/sdavo66/SOS%20at%20Gairdner/speedweek2103_spd8521.jpg)

.....hey Damon, if you're watching, are those your Vans that are still in the back of my Effie?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Geo on March 24, 2013, 10:09:33 AM
Thank you Simon. Great story in photos.  Congrats to the Sunshine crew, both permanant and temps.   :cheers:

Geo
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on March 24, 2013, 11:11:31 AM
 :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Buickguy3 on March 24, 2013, 01:41:20 PM
  Very neat! If any of you make it over here for Speed Week drop by the Salt Cat pits and there may be a beer available to help you through the heat. [Even if it is some nasty American brew].
  Doug  :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 24, 2013, 04:49:23 PM

(http://i350.photobucket.com/albums/q429/sdavo66/SOS%20at%20Gairdner/speedweek2103_spd8140.jpg)

Hey it might look small from the outside, but inside it has all the accoutrements

 
(https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQd0ESjM9uZfTJKg2pXjC0yG19WHiupP0ghl4-4mMjlHW-1vfxT)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on March 24, 2013, 04:53:31 PM
Nice one Simon :cheers:
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on March 24, 2013, 05:04:34 PM
Nice one Simon :cheers:
G
Quite.  8-) Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on March 24, 2013, 10:07:28 PM
Ahhh! The Tardis for the good Dr.
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on March 24, 2013, 10:55:04 PM
Ahhh! The Tardis for the good Dr.
  Sid.

So does time travel require a Hans device, or were you just expecting someone to punk you while you were in the portable?  :|

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on March 24, 2013, 11:01:55 PM
Ahhh! The Tardis for the good Dr.
  Sid.

So does time travel require a Hans device, or were you just expecting someone to punk you while you were in the portable?  :|



Accidents happen...  :? :?
or
you really never know when a big wind will knock one of those over....  :-o
 :cheers: :cheers: nice pics  :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 25, 2013, 12:03:42 AM
OK

There is a possibility of another meet at Lake Gairdner in October or November.

You were expecting me to go on about how i am vexed?......nope, we're going, if it's on, we're going.

We have some unfinished business and the "to-do" list is relatively short. In fact a brief discussion today with the Colonel has me scheming.......

We are going to fit the 2.28:1 diff. We need about 300 more on the red-line. I will do some searching amongst the local Commodore( the model the engine comes from) crew and find the cracks for the Delco computer as we know that they have been used in several race series with engines running to 7500rpm, and , anecdotaly  I have heard the limiter in the VE table discussed........we figured that our top speeds were both at the same rpm(6375) and that there is a ramp there, killing everything by 6400.

I'll finish the second vac-u-pan, have a frig around with the shift and maybe lift the steering wheel a little.

comments?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on March 25, 2013, 07:16:25 AM
As cool as this sounds why do I get the memory of the rebels tour of South Africa drifting into my mind...?

Given the running requirements of the event will there be a critical mass of willing participants who have holiday leave enough to go to make this happen?

Given this years attendance it may have (but there hasn't been a meet in a long time so the numbers would be inflated above average) yet it feels a bit like second banana with a possibility of political issues.

At the end of the day we built the car to race and so more opportunity to do that is great but I am uneasy at the potential fracturing of the sport. The togetherness and incredible diverse range of people coming to celebrate the one thing is part of its charm.

Amen

rH+

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on March 25, 2013, 09:58:28 AM

(http://i350.photobucket.com/albums/q429/sdavo66/SOS%20at%20Gairdner/speedweek2103_spd7974.jpg)


Raise the steering wheel  :? won't that screw up the steering dampener...

I would think lower the knees would be a better idea, it is hard to drive in the fetal position.  Now I see why Graham had issues with the clutch.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on March 25, 2013, 10:13:43 AM
If the engine is going to be out of the car anyway and you can't change out to forged pistons, I'd get 'em Zygloed, then mag the crank and shot peen the rods.

 :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on March 25, 2013, 10:50:16 AM

I would think lower the knees would be a better idea, it is hard to drive in the fetal position.  Now I see why Graham had issues with the clutch.
[/quote]

You should see my knees sticking out, my legs seem to be a few inches longer than the good doctors yet we are about the same height. Its a bit odd as when I sit at a table I look short...

d
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: maj on March 25, 2013, 04:22:56 PM
Have you thought about a plug and play ecu like the haltec e6gm
 probably cheaper than some of the options on the std ecu
see them on ebay often

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 25, 2013, 05:56:47 PM
Chris: I've heard that the last recognizable evidence of human existance on this rock will be some connecting rods out of these motors. Apparently they are made from goats-kneesium alloy, you can buy them for about 5 cents apiece because of their abundance........point taken , on everything else.....as far as the motor goes we haven't pulled it's pants down for a look yet , when we do you's'll know all about it because for all we know there could be sh1t everywhere.
Maj: Yes, point. Jon sent me some links last night which were for Kalmaker who has a good rep amongst the Commodore crew, he has delcos that top out at 9600. We ended up where we are now in a kind of convoluted fashion. First we didn't have that much power, so we thought we could just chip the ecu and over rev it. Then i mangled the motor. When we went to the dyno we ended up with another chip of mixed parentage and in the end of the session a secret Colonel tune
We also have help on offer from Nigel and some Electromotive stuff.......we need to sit down, me and the Colonel and try and come up with some sort of plan that's achievable time and money wise.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on March 25, 2013, 08:22:45 PM
 :cheers:  love the 9600
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 25, 2013, 08:42:29 PM
:cheers:  love the 9600

Yeah, wouldn't we, I reckon we'd have holes in everything, including the cowl a long time before that.......we need 6600, maybe a dash more..... still not seeing any tire slip in our figures

6600rpm X 2.28:1 x 28 = 241mph

The proposed meet in October is at this point going to have a timed 1/4 at the three. We need clocks on the 5 and the 6.....discussion continuing.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on March 25, 2013, 09:03:57 PM
I have a pair of Electromotive Tec 2's with fuel on the KB. All Tec 3's have fuel & ign.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Electromotive-TEC3-Engine-Control-System-/181107918429?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item2a2adf865d&vxp=mtr

These guys are the west coast distributor for Electromotive.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Electromotive-DFU-6Cyl-Direct-Fire-Unit-/160847006770?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item25733a8c32&vxp=mtr

Pretty sure your GM sensors are compatible.
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stan Back on March 25, 2013, 09:22:25 PM
We think tire slip = tire growth.

Don't worry about it -- unless you got a bunch of it, and you'll know it.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on March 25, 2013, 11:44:56 PM
Chris: I've heard that the last recognizable evidence of human existance on this rock will be some connecting rods out of these motors.

I have this weird picture in my head of the mummified remains of Keith Richards dug up by extraterrestrial archeologists wrenching on a Commode door . . .
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 25, 2013, 11:57:30 PM
Chris: I've heard that the last recognizable evidence of human existance on this rock will be some connecting rods out of these motors.

I have this weird picture in my head of the mummified remains of Keith Richards dug up by extraterrestrial archeologists wrenching on a Commode door . . .

When someone, in some distant time from now "discovers" the earth they will find a few con-rods out of a Commodore V6. By looking at the unpolished grain of the metal they no doubt will have some way of reading witness marks in the granular structure that will have recorded the entire history of the con-rod's life.........in the very first chapter they will see a bunch of Maltese guys at GMH's Fisherman's Bend plant , in overalls, smoking and talking about football. That will be the sum-total of the earth's history. Oh yeah, and one of them had a Keith Richards tattoo, that will be there too.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on April 02, 2013, 06:06:22 PM
It's a Haltech
Just plugs into the loom, uses the same senders, that's us, Munga DOS
Jon bought one in Queensland that I had already corresponded with the vendor about.....seems there is a unique language in Queensland....anyway, he did the drive and picked it up for the SOS, he's a champ . He was so pleased with himself he decided to wake me up with a text message this morning....
As Jon pointed out another advantage for us with the P&P ability is at worst we can sub a Delco computer back into it if we are completely at sea
If as we did this year have to pull the balancer, or damage the C.A.S they are easy to get. as the vintage of model that our motor comes from now is just above rubbish value, shame to ignore a cheap source iof parts.........
Just gimmee a couple hundred more revs, that's all I ask....
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Jon on April 02, 2013, 07:42:46 PM
This may help:
http://androiddummies.com/android-phone-dummies/how-to-put-your-android-phone-in-vibrationsilent-mode/ (http://androiddummies.com/android-phone-dummies/how-to-put-your-android-phone-in-vibrationsilent-mode/)

He told me you didn't buy it because it was red.......

That and he thought you talked a bit funny and didn't end sentences with "hey¿"
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on April 03, 2013, 03:18:22 AM
If the engine is going to be out of the car anyway and you can't change out to forged pistons, I'd get 'em Zygloed, then mag the crank and shot peen the rods.

 :cheers:

Good ideas. . .

Re pistons:   If they are of the type that have a slot behind the oil ring to return oil to the sump, sh**can them.    IF, they have drilled oil return holes behind the oil ring, (the stronger version), inspect them with either Zyglo or dye penetrant, prior to reuse.    In fact, inspect every engine part with a critical eye, prior to reuse. . . . .
 :cheers:
F/B

If I have to take those pistons off the rods , they'll be going in the bin and the roaches can look at them.
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: maj on April 03, 2013, 05:36:36 PM
The base maps are available in the haltech website for both NA and supercharged ;)
i have copys if you can't find them , had a little to do with 2 installs on blown v6 motors

if i remember from my blurry youth , don't the pistons become roach holders  :wink:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on April 04, 2013, 05:17:15 PM

if i remember from my blurry youth , don't the pistons become roach holders  :wink:

you have me confused with another member of the team
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on April 08, 2013, 01:16:23 AM
This is getting so cryptic that even I am having trouble keeping all the cards in my head.....


I just received a really neat little piece of writing by Charles Bukowski from Pete J Quick, SOS team member and all round good guy( yeah, the one who posted a bunch of photo's , drove the push truck, saved my mind , travelled to and from and still doesn't want to kill me).....

It came under the heading "good advice for lakester builders", I don't think he needed to be so specific......this is not an exaggeration. Last week I sent a copy of something I posted a few years ago concerning my idea of succinct advice to someone about to embark on a special construction odyssey to Jon ( he of the Australian streamliner bike build)........ first we have idle thoughts from the ring master at the Idiot Wonderland.........


I've got a couple of suggestions and they are by no means aimed at you personally.I'm going to put them down line by line because I'm not(for once ) up for an essay right now.

It has been said many times here , everything has been thought of , lots of it done, some of it worked.....so find as much LSR history as you can...the good the bad and the ugly, the bold and the beautiful,look at 'em and read what they did.Some very clever people have been at this game, there have also been some mad ones and some very rich fools, learn from their experiences.

If you're going to be true to what you wanted when you started you first have to finish.This can be horribly expensive, if you bite off too much you'll have a half finished thing that has sent you broke.

This game is a battle between power and drag, you need to convince traction to be your friend. Power you can get at the shop,most people have more than enough.Drag is something your design will dictate and your design is prey to thousands of different factors.Keep it simple , have a reason for everything you do, not a hunch.

The rules. There are very specific minimum requirements related to safety, learn them off by heart and begin your design there. They dictate the smallest possible area you can sit in.

Learn the basics of aerodynamics, it's not likely you'll ever get to a wind tunnel  so apply the knowns, the unknowns are bad science .

There are a lot of records up for grabs in the DLRA, but you're not the only person building something........have a really good look at the Budfab motorcycle streamliner, something along those lines is conceivable, aiming for 300 is a serious step for a self confessed newbie.

Go for it brother. If it wasn't for a shipload of naivete we would never have finished our car but that said I feel like the blind bloke who just walked across the freeway, I survived but I dunno what I was thinking when I started.



Next, Mr Bukowski:

“If you're going to try, go all the way. Otherwise, don't even start. This could mean losing girlfriends, wives, relatives and maybe even your mind. It could mean not eating for three or four days. It could mean freezing on a park bench. It could mean jail. It could mean derision. It could mean mockery--isolation. Isolation is the gift. All the others are a test of your endurance, of how much you really want to do it. And, you'll do it, despite rejection and the worst odds. And it will be better than anything else you can imagine. If you're going to try, go all the way. There is no other feeling like that. You will be alone with the gods, and the nights will flame with fire. You will ride life straight to perfect laughter. It's the only good fight there is.”
― Charles Bukowski, Factotum


The interesting thing for me has been the discussions with Jon about the motivations in building something in the special construction game......I still agree with what I wrote, aero is it, there is nothing else. But, as for the whole pursuit? Mr Bukowski nailed it......when you're down the far end, and you've "delivered the mail" as it were it all seems well worth it, but man o man there are some dark days in-between........
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on April 08, 2013, 03:07:15 AM
hear ye hear ye---thats prose brother----god I wish I could recall Smokey Yunick's comment about winning!  The feeling of being on the "BIG END" all alone, with a creation you put so much of your heart and soul into, -- after roll out--- knowing you backed it up---is pretty hard to describe.  Well Said my friend   :cheers:

SMOKEY
When asked by a TV reporter "Whats it feel like to win?"  Smokey blurted out, "Maybe equal to or the same as the ultimate feeling of sex" " Yup, that it! he wrote; Your emotions explode, you have only one feeling------happy. "
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Jon on April 08, 2013, 03:23:38 AM
Very true, one of Dave's (my son, MPSF1000) favourite quotes;

"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat."
Theodore Roosevelt

jon
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on April 08, 2013, 03:48:26 AM
There is nothing so easy but that it becomes difficult when you do it reluctantly.
- Publius Terentius Afer from "Heauton Timorumenos" (The Self-Tormentor)

Dik

There are 10 types of people in the world: Those who understand binary, and those who don't... (thinkgeek)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on April 08, 2013, 06:21:05 AM
There is nothing so easy but that it becomes difficult when you do it reluctantly.
- Publius Terentius Afer from "Heauton Timorumenos" (The Self-Tormentor)

Dik

There are 10 types of people in the world: Those who understand binary, and those who don't... (thinkgeek)

And what about BCD?
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on April 08, 2013, 07:13:50 AM
There are 0010 types of people in the world: Those who understand BCD, and those who don't... ?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Jon on April 08, 2013, 07:45:28 AM
There is nothing so easy but that it becomes difficult when you do it reluctantly.
- Publius Terentius Afer from "Heauton Timorumenos" (The Self-Tormentor)

Dik

There are 10 types of people in the world: Those who understand binary, and those who don't... (thinkgeek)

And what about BCD?
G

NFI ;)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on April 08, 2013, 10:47:37 AM
But, as for the whole pursuit? Mr Bukowski nailed it......when you're down the far end, and you've "delivered the mail" as it were it all seems well worth it, but man o man there are some dark days in-between........


A headstone has a name, a date of birth, a dash, and a date of death.

It's the dash that counts.

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on April 08, 2013, 11:04:54 AM
here's to the DASH may it be long, thick and HEAVY  :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on April 30, 2013, 06:06:00 PM
Moving on
not much happening here so here's one of my other builds
G

(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc28/grumm441/Independant_zps034a0146.jpg) (http://s219.photobucket.com/user/grumm441/media/Independant_zps034a0146.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on April 30, 2013, 06:58:36 PM
And it is................?  :| Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stan Back on April 30, 2013, 07:11:35 PM
Rusty?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on April 30, 2013, 07:16:06 PM
these guys must be looking for the lost Rs
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on April 30, 2013, 08:49:17 PM
Moving on
not much happening here so here's one of my other builds
G


That'll make a nice trailer some day.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on April 30, 2013, 10:10:45 PM
Chris, I think you meant to say "That'll make a trailer someday". Actually, the running boards make me think that the front suspenders weren't there originally. There could be hope.  :cheers:  Really Grumm. Whudizit?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on April 30, 2013, 10:57:27 PM
I see what you mean, Wayno.  But if he tried to build something that ran under its own power, that wonderful little cooler shelf that's welded mid ship would have to be repurposed as a battery box, which, of course, is just crazytalk.

He'd be stuck drinking warm beer.

But then again, he is well prepared.  I can think of nobody else I know who owns a banana sheath . . . maybe we're underestimating him.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on May 01, 2013, 11:24:05 PM
I see what you mean, Wayno.  But if he tried to build something that ran under its own power, that wonderful little cooler shelf that's welded mid ship would have to be repurposed as a battery box, which, of course, is just crazytalk.

He'd be stuck drinking warm beer.

But then again, he is well prepared.  I can think of nobody else I know who owns a banana sheath . . . maybe we're underestimating him.

That's a good idea, I will put the battery there
And here I was planning to put a beer cooler there.

It's the '41 Chev pickup that's been rusting away in my yard
and seeing as I no longer have a garage to store stuff in i thought i might make use of the flat bit of concrete that was left after all the asbestos went.
I fitted an independent front end from a Japanese van in place of the solid axle front end.
Tomorrow I will head to the wreckers to try and find a suitable power steering rack.
I have my eye on an independent rear end from a locally produced Ford SUV which should fit.

The big difference in Aus is that when you build something like this, when you go to license it you require a report from an "state authorised" engineer. And there is a book of rules and regulations that it has to comply with.
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Rob on May 02, 2013, 01:46:06 AM
Grumm,

Check out a later model L300 for the power rack, I've seen that one done but not sure what year sorry.

Cheers,
Rob
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on May 02, 2013, 03:10:10 AM
Wayno,Chris,Jim ...you are poking the bear, don't give him an excuse to paw you. Where's the push bar?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on May 02, 2013, 07:06:05 AM
Where's the push bar?


I'm waiting for the drawings
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on May 02, 2013, 09:11:46 AM
I don't have a drawing but I think I have a picture of a bar.  :cheers: Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on May 02, 2013, 09:35:14 AM
Where's the push bar?

I don't have a drawing but I think I have a picture of a bar.  :cheers: Wayno

Wayno, I think that's a tow bar, not a push bar.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on May 02, 2013, 07:05:56 PM
Mmmm

White Goose Bar  :cheers:
It may not fit
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on May 02, 2013, 10:30:24 PM
Mmmm

White Goose Bar  :cheers:
It may not fit
G
We can try.  :lol:  :cheers: Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on May 05, 2013, 06:19:56 PM
 So ends the weekend of ugh. Some time back, before the salt this year I had a rolling series of "problems" with the grocery getter.......a series of cooling system problems  that someone with a longer view and half a brain would have arrested before they caused too much grief. But that's not how it works is it? The coolant seems a little low, I'll just top it up.That weepy stain on the side of the radiator, no point putting in a new one yet is there?....I think it was 12 months ago that I changed the thermostat....just after my car was serviced and they replaced the lpg mixer. What I think happened was the gizzards of the former mixer were rusted out and had migrated through the cooling system where they went about jamming things open or shut and generally restricting the flow. Next I had a couple of curious overheats, then a breakdown when the gas mixer froze.....it seemed the coolant hoses to it were blocked. At this point it would have seemed to  be a good idea for a full system flush and a good hard look at the major components. Nope. I'll just wait til it overheats again and splits the radiator, and cracks a head.

So this weekend I went a re-assemblin'. I'd forgotten how much I dislike leaning over a low engine bay. I'd also forgotten how annoying it is doing a one off job like this that you won't be doing again for  long time( FINGERS CROSSED)....... I spent most of my time realising how I should have done certain things and marvelling at the hideous mix of metric and imperial threads and caps........

One tiny win was finding a new set of injectors I bought for the SOS a few years ago, they didn't flow enough on the dyno so we didn't use them. The injectors in the grocery getter were filthy, so that was a job that I could do in order to get myself covered in petrol. Yes I used those dumb-ass single use bolts with Grumm's voice in my ear "don't whatever you do over-torque them".........

The bulk of it is done, now I just need to hook everything up, there aren't that many random same size vacuum lines, and the crap on the front of the motor ...tensioners, alt-mount, other things have about three million different length bolts, earth tags.......aw I dunno, I feel my life force draining away.......
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on May 05, 2013, 09:30:00 PM
messing with any thing but the race car is MAJOR not fun---some times race cars are not fun---we had the same experience with rosette welds and GM gray iron  next time we tried a hole saw---next we plan on using use the torch and rotate the tubes.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: generatorshovel on May 06, 2013, 02:06:14 AM
Gee Doc, I thought you were smarter than that, a smart man would have thrown it away, and got another !
Start throwing all your rubbish into the rear, then the passenger seats, when its full, throw it away (it worked well for my ex)
Tiny
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Rob on May 06, 2013, 02:31:02 AM
when its full, throw it away (it worked well for my ex)
Tiny
Are we talking about you or the car now Tiny?  :wink:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on May 06, 2013, 03:14:27 AM
Gee Doc, I thought you were smarter than that, a smart man would have thrown it away, and got another !
Start throwing all your rubbish into the rear, then the passenger seats, when its full, throw it away (it worked well for my ex)
Tiny


Aren't you driving a VN Tiny?.......The lure of a couple of thousand bucks to blow on the racing program has me fixing all the hulks here.....it's a great car for commuting and gigs, downside is the insurance....far out,$850 a year....the F Truck is half of that..... thing is I have a work car now, and a fuel card so I don't need it, that's why it pooped itself, it felt unwanted.

Your idea has me thinking about working at the wreckers.....can't afford the oil disposal bill on all those Volvos?, easy, drain it out and tip it over the seats they'll soak it up.......
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: generatorshovel on May 06, 2013, 06:07:21 PM


[/quote]
Aren't you driving a VN Tiny?.......
[/quote]

That'd be the Wifes  :roll:

when its full, throw it away (it worked well for my ex)
Tiny
Are we talking about you or the car now Tiny?  :wink:
Both, the only difference is that I'm not quite full yet
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on May 11, 2013, 04:49:37 AM
Today I had the last fumble around with the top end job on the grocery getter. Reached in through the window, started first pop....ran it to temp, bled the coolant....still idling high, dunno why.No leaks, no huge backfire , or fire.

Went inside, that was about as much excitement as I could handle for one day.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on May 11, 2013, 05:36:59 AM
Stepper motor
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on May 11, 2013, 08:04:19 PM
Stepper motor
G

Well of course, but why is what I was in the process of working out before my motivation took a hit amidships.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on May 11, 2013, 10:04:30 PM
If you touched the IAC pintle while you had it appart, that will fark it up.
If not, the ECU might have to re-learn the idle program from sitting for a period of time. Go drive it faster than 30mph for 3 miles & see if it settles down, assuming you don't have a vacuum leak.
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on May 12, 2013, 05:36:28 AM
Good plan if you could drive anywhere around here for 3 miles at 30 mph with out getting a ticket
The other suggestion was to look for a vacume leak with SYB
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Jon on May 12, 2013, 06:50:46 AM
+1 on the vacuum leak.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Buickguy3 on May 12, 2013, 11:30:10 AM
   My experience with GM stuff in the early 80's was that you could pull the big hose off of the power brake booster and to idle would go up and then settle back down to normal. That is the job of the IAC motor. It is a controlled vacuum leak. A small leak can be compensated for. The ECM does, however, have to relearn things. I would hazzard a guess that if it doesn't relearn and settle back down after a little running/driving, you probably have a bad IAC motor. These are just old ramblings from an old guy.
   Doug  :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on May 12, 2013, 11:30:30 PM
Hosed it with Aero-start, nothin.......it hasn't been driven yet, and it has settled a little, Sid might be on the money, I read a few forum threads on it and what's going on tallies with a stranged out IAC.

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: johnneilson on May 13, 2013, 10:51:43 PM
Older GM cars/trucks had a pretty thick composite gasket on the TB base to manifold.
More than once, I found major air leak there, larger than what the IAC could try to compensate for.

J
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on May 19, 2013, 07:25:33 PM
It's done a couple of hundred miles and everything seems to be well and good.

I've got a week off which will be spent mostly at the Spirit of Sunshine landspeed laboratory, possum park, cactarium, stickertorium and idiot wonderland engaged in general maintenance, by the end of the week if not sooner, I will have a post about the bellytank ....after all that's what you came here for innit?

Today I am taking the slow road up to Tatura to see my dear old mum who's fading fast now, she's a tough old thing but time marches ever on.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on May 19, 2013, 08:32:03 PM
to being with your mum :cheers:   enjoy and cherish
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on May 19, 2013, 09:15:34 PM
Ditto that Goggs!
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on May 23, 2013, 01:21:52 AM
 I did, as I said , head up the "slow" road to see my mum. I took the back back rd and instead of all pave and eighty of a hundred miles on freeway I hit dirt less than twenty miles out of town and about a third of the trip was gravel....I did that because I've been driving about 700 miles a week for work and that is almost all at freeway speed on cruise control in the 1.8 Ecotec. I wasn't going to take the 302/F100 up the freeway lest I went insane, or got a ticket....You guys need to hear this, the first fifty miles of the Hume Highway out of Melbourne is covered by E.T cameras which of course can ping you for momentary speed as well, so if you average above the speed limit over that stretch you get a ticket, oh yeah and they're infra-red. So I thought bugger the stress I'll take a sentimental trip up through the bush. As I came off the dirt onto the old Hume Highway just before Kilmore I pulled up at a stop sign, when I took off I'd failed to notice how rough the verge in front of me was, it was deeply rutted. Now a SWB F100 that it is set up to tow 2&1/2 ton has pretty unforgiving suspension, being wheelbase challenged means it doesn't necessarily, instinctively, go straight.... So I boot it, it bounces and steps savagely to the right, then the left, and then the right again in the violent way that makes it a little difficult to get your foot down on the clutch....I JUST missed the armour-rail, and all this at under 10mph, there was a car coming towards me, god knows what he thought I was doing......

I finally got started in the shed today, went and picked up a bearing for the new ratio we are going to fit , the 2.28:1. I did a bit of  a tidy in the shed, I can feel the inspiration coming back.......

I went to the club meeting on the weekend, there I felt the inspiration ebbing away, but things will change and the meet will get better, but it isn't going to be easy....more tomorrow.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on May 23, 2013, 03:53:27 AM
the club meeting.
couldn't make it. although the food is good
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on May 23, 2013, 09:59:12 AM
I finally got started in the shed today, went and picked up a bearing for the new ratio we are going to fit , the 2.28:1. I did a bit of  a tidy in the shed, I can feel the inspiration coming back.......

I went to the club meeting on the weekend, there I felt the inspiration ebbing away, but things will change and the meet will get better, but it isn't going to be easy....more tomorrow.

This build diary started 7 ½ years ago.
 
Many people –

Don’t hold the same job that long
Don’t live in the same house that long
Don’t own the same car that long
Can’t get through college that quickly


As to volunteer organizations with a “main event” structure, they’re always in “ramp-up” mode.

Mental downtime is a must.

Normal.  :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on May 23, 2013, 11:09:14 PM
Hory clap!! 7 and a half years....  :-o.....I've been living in Sunshine for 8 and a bit...wow. This week off has been good. It was time in lieu, not accrued annual leave so i didn't have that urgent feeling to make the most of it. I've spent the week sorting unsorted stuff. I need to refinance my house, that's underway. I needed to do some tidying up at the Possum Park and Idiot Wonderland and also haul my Holden Ute back into the workshop area so I can get started on the refit and respray.....I managed to scrape the passengers door on the apricot tree, big deal, I'll be doing bodywork anyway.....So it's been a good week, a sort of rev-tune blowing out the cob-webs....
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on May 24, 2013, 04:12:30 AM
7 and a half...is that all? I believe the actual project started 10 years ago this coming October and is before I started dating my wife, before having my daughter who starts primary school this year and yet seems like only yesterday...

Actually in our family the tank has been referred to as "the wife" and Amber as the mistress which she is strangely ok with...

rH+
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on May 24, 2013, 09:55:44 AM
On rare occasions an understanding woman comes along who becomes a partner not a boss.
Sorry Goggs!
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on May 25, 2013, 06:48:57 PM
My woman is starting to understand how many bikes I have here
Can't wait til I bring my trailer home
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on May 25, 2013, 08:13:32 PM
My woman is starting to understand how many bikes I have here
Can't wait til I bring my trailer home
G

Grummy, you old romantic - A place she can call her own!  :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on May 25, 2013, 08:24:05 PM
No.
It's full of (as many as I could fit) Honda CB1100s'
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on May 26, 2013, 04:20:23 AM
New bike build?

http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/weetangera/motorcycles/vespa-le-chevre/1020093084
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on May 27, 2013, 12:30:32 AM
It was time in lieu, not accrued annual leave so i didn't have that urgent feeling to make the most of it.

Drop one vowel phonetic, and the homonymic possibilities for that sentence become quite humorous.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Captthundarr on May 27, 2013, 10:56:25 AM
Say what??? never mind. :?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on May 27, 2013, 11:16:55 PM
Hey Chris, take your tweed off for a bit will ya, I was scratching my head there for a bit , but then suddenly realised that it was just what I thought when I wrote the sentence in the first place.



On the weekend I got offered a ute that was stolen and recovered during its stripping...it was a very neat piece of work a 72 Holden with a 5 litre V8 and a turbo 400...I have spent the day today driving around thinking what I could do with it......sadly those motors are 308ci....so it won't fit into D class....otherwise...... :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

It's priced to sell and just around the corner from me, the young owner has replaced it and lost interest....
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: salt27 on May 28, 2013, 12:22:31 AM
72 Holden with a 5 litre V8 and a turbo 400...I have spent the day today driving around thinking what I could do with it......sadly those motors are 308ci....so it won't fit into D class....otherwise...... :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

It's priced to sell and just around the corner from me, the young owner has replaced it and lost interest....


I assume that this is a GM engine because of the t-400.

Is it a Chevy, what's the bore and stroke?

   Don
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Graham in Aus on May 28, 2013, 01:15:34 AM
Hope I've got this right....

Holden 5L (308) Bore and Stroke 4.00 x 3.06 inches (101.6 x 77.7mm) Firing order 1-2-7-8-4-5-6-3

 :-D
 
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: salt27 on May 30, 2013, 12:08:58 AM
Hope I've got this right....

Holden 5L (308) Bore and Stroke 4.00 x 3.06 inches (101.6 x 77.7mm) Firing order 1-2-7-8-4-5-6-3

 :-D
 

Thanx, Don
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on May 30, 2013, 12:37:23 AM
Hope I've got this right....

Holden 5L (308) Bore and Stroke 4.00 x 3.06 inches (101.6 x 77.7mm) Firing order 1-2-7-8-4-5-6-3

 :-D
 

Yep
That boat anchor
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on May 30, 2013, 01:22:11 AM
New bike build?

http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/weetangera/motorcycles/vespa-le-chevre/1020093084

Production rules are so restrictive.  I know you have to keep the horns, but does the DLRA insist that you run the stock dewlaps too?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on May 30, 2013, 02:04:24 AM
New bike build?

http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/weetangera/motorcycles/vespa-le-chevre/1020093084

Production rules are so restrictive.  I know you have to keep the horns, but does the DLRA insist that you run the stock dewlaps too?


I tell you
Production rules really get my goat
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on May 30, 2013, 07:35:15 AM
ROTFLMAO
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Captthundarr on May 30, 2013, 08:21:40 AM
New bike build?

http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/weetangera/motorcycles/vespa-le-chevre/1020093084

Production rules are so restrictive.  I know you have to keep the horns, but does the DLRA insist that you run the stock dewlaps too?


I tell you
Production rules really get my goat
G

Modified or aftermarket dewlaps could provide an unfair areo advantage.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on May 31, 2013, 01:07:10 AM
New bike build?

http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/weetangera/motorcycles/vespa-le-chevre/1020093084

Production rules are so restrictive.  I know you have to keep the horns, but does the DLRA insist that you run the stock dewlaps too?


I tell you
Production rules really get my goat
G

Modified or aftermarket dewlaps could provide an unfair areo advantage.

And they don't kid around in impound . . .
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Jon on May 31, 2013, 06:15:51 AM
New bike build?

http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/weetangera/motorcycles/vespa-le-chevre/1020093084

Production rules are so restrictive.  I know you have to keep the horns, but does the DLRA insist that you run the stock dewlaps too?


I tell you
Production rules really get my goat
G

Modified or aftermarket dewlaps could provide an unfair areo advantage.

And they don't kid around in impound . . .

No; they wouldn't have a Baa of that.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on June 05, 2013, 07:00:26 PM
New bike build?

http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/weetangera/motorcycles/vespa-le-chevre/1020093084

Production rules are so restrictive.  I know you have to keep the horns, but does the DLRA insist that you run the stock dewlaps too?


I tell you
Production rules really get my goat
G

Modified or aftermarket dewlaps could provide an unfair areo advantage.

And they don't kid around in impound . . .

No; they wouldn't have a Baa of that.

yeah, that's what I herd. It's a good thing it'll sort the A's from the M's
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on June 05, 2013, 10:16:43 PM
New bike build?

http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/weetangera/motorcycles/vespa-le-chevre/1020093084

Production rules are so restrictive.  I know you have to keep the horns, but does the DLRA insist that you run the stock dewlaps too?


I tell you
Production rules really get my goat
G

Modified or aftermarket dewlaps could provide an unfair areo advantage.

And they don't kid around in impound . . .

No; they wouldn't have a Baa of that.

yeah, that's what I herd. It's a good thing it'll sort the A's from the M's

Ewe ought to know.

Oh, wait - that's sheep.

Sorry - I thought I was in Christchurch . . .
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on June 05, 2013, 11:06:06 PM
Quote
Sorry - I thought I was in Christchurch . . .

when in fact you're in the church of the goat :roll:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on June 06, 2013, 12:42:15 AM
Quote
Sorry - I thought I was in Christchurch . . .

when in fact you're in the church of the goat :roll:

When it comes to the Dark Ages and British neo-cultist traditions and symbolism, I tend to prefer Octagons over Pentagrams.

Baphomet has NOTHING on Lucas . . .  :evil:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on June 10, 2013, 11:10:31 PM
To quote Evil Roy Slade
"Enough warmth."

You got club plates on the F truck yet Goggles

G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on June 10, 2013, 11:43:00 PM
To quote Evil Roy Slade
"Enough warmth."

You got club plates on the F truck yet Goggles

G

I should get there today, I don't need an appointment do I?............ Log book here I come !

In other news I might as well forget about selling that Commodore.........here comes an indefinite indentured period of maintenance at my expense, I also have noted that someone has taken Tiny's advice and is steadily filling it with rubbish...................
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Jon on June 11, 2013, 05:09:35 AM
To quote Evil Roy Slade
"Enough warmth."

You got club plates on the F truck yet Goggles

G

I should get there today, I don't need an appointment do I?............ Log book here I come !

In other news I might as well forget about selling that Commodore.........here comes an indefinite indentured period of maintenance at my expense, I also have noted that someone has taken Tiny's advice and is steadily filling it with rubbish...................
The only escape is a terminal hemorrhage , best you can hope for is using a bit if oil which will gradually get too low as it wont be checked and destroy the bottom end.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on June 11, 2013, 05:46:08 AM
Unplug the MAP sensor. that will be enough
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on June 15, 2013, 02:27:32 AM
Not much happening here....
Well this is what I've been doing this week
Just put a wiring loom on this. this is the third one of these I've done
G

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Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on June 16, 2013, 08:42:41 AM
I gave the commodore a look over today, it seems , yes Graham, that I did the job properly... no leaks, cooling system remains bled ....overflow/reservoir is where it was when I last checked...
I got the club plates on the F truck...number plates are one of those deceptive jobs, unless of course it is a new car.... of course the plate spots on the F truck are odd sized, they need the LPG badges, the rear one has to be curved a bit and have the valve stem for the air shocks out through the middle of it. But the real job was the tailshaft.....  Sunshine is good because it has a branch of everything, the Rego branch, all the auto parts stores....that's a mixed blessing. I have had a series iof unsatisfying visits to the chain  stores...during the recent travails with the Commodore I turned it over at one point and a scredriver had fallen into the belt taking a piece out of it. I'd replaced the belt a while back when a tensioner siezed....the belt seemed expensive, when I had to replace it I went to the other chain store, Autobarn instead of Repco to find that the belt they sold me was half the price, hmmmmm, the one I'd got from Repco was 5mm longer , that extra 5mm cost an extra $35....thanks......So a month back I bought a uni joint from Autobarn , why one because that was all they had....yesterday I went to Repco( yeah Repco who'd kept me there for an hour while they worked out they didn't stock the heater bypass fitting I needed).....they sold me a uni joint....$46( mate I'll do it cheap for ya)instead of the $35 for the one I'd got from Autobarn....so, when I got home I quickly realised that the 3000 wasn'tthe uni joint I needed, they were way too big....I went back to Repco, got my money back, they old guy who I hadn't seen there before said "go to Mayday" ( the nearby stand alone parts shop)...went to Autobarn, got my money back...by this time I had the uni joint out of the truck with me...I went to Mayday. The guy pulls out a micrometer...gets out a uni-joint book( yeah, like they had one of those at the chain stores) and says "ah, yeah, I see what's going on here"...gets me two uni joints, 50 bucks the pair. I go home and fit them in about twenty minutes.....I dunno what the last person who had that tailshaft out did, those trunnions are made from pretty hard stuff but I'd say they'd managed to trap a roller before belting it .....I looked at it and thought "wow I'm glad that didn't cark it on the road into Lake Gairdner" .....Let me tell you with two new uni joints it's a much more pleasant driving experience. Herenendethelesson.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on June 16, 2013, 11:30:56 AM
"Cark it" That refreshed my rusting memory. :cheers:
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on June 17, 2013, 01:07:03 AM
Speaking of refreshing I drove the truck up to Trentham yesterday....I spend all week driving a 4 cylinder slushie with cruise and reverse sensors.....driving a 4speed 302 with what might as well be no suspension is a very different gig, very different indeed on winding wet roads.

Sid, I could have said "died in the arse"..."sh1t itself" or "went fut"  :roll:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on June 17, 2013, 10:29:59 AM
I still use all those, "carked it" had just slipped away on me. I need to swing by more often for a refresher. Thanks Mate. :-)
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: gearheadeh on June 17, 2013, 10:56:19 AM
Speaking of refreshing I drove the truck up to Trentham yesterday....I spend all week driving a 4 cylinder slushie with cruise and reverse sensors.....driving a 4speed 302 with what might as well be no suspension is a very different gig, very different indeed on winding wet roads.

Sid, I could have said "died in the arse"..."sh1t itself" or "went fut"  :roll:

As Oliver Twist said: Please can I have more?   :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: aussievetteracer on June 17, 2013, 05:34:52 PM
Had the Royal Order of King Richard! (ie, had the d##k) Very handy when children are around.
                                                                                                               Denis
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on June 17, 2013, 08:19:41 PM
Had the Royal Order of King Richard! (ie, had the d##k) Very handy when children are around.
                                                                                                               Denis

Ah yes  :cheers:

Our friends in the Americas may not be appraised of

"it's rooted mate"  :roll:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on June 17, 2013, 08:53:48 PM
Had the Royal Order of King Richard! (ie, had the d##k) Very handy when children are around.
                                                                                                               Denis


I have some of his spanners ( wrenches) here somewhere

G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on June 17, 2013, 09:43:56 PM
"trended downward sometime back" is a polite one....
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on June 18, 2013, 12:16:19 AM
I get the blank confused look when I use "shes rooted mate". I've hung on to that one just because of it's entertainment value. :-D
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Rob on June 18, 2013, 12:33:49 AM
I used to always get a chuckle when the Yanks told me they were rooting for someone  :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on June 18, 2013, 05:07:05 AM
I still remember my first visit, driving around smog ridden LA on the wrong side of the road & seeing a van with "24hr Rooter" painted on it. WTF :?
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Rob on June 18, 2013, 05:48:59 AM
Sid,

I had a mate here who had the similar sign on his door, he was a plumber. The sign said "General Rooter"  :-D

We used to give him hell but he was Dutch and oblivious to it.

Cheers,
Rob
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on June 19, 2013, 05:03:18 AM
I still remember my first visit, driving around smog ridden LA on the wrong side of the road & seeing a van with "24hr Rooter" painted on it. WTF :?
  Sid.


Well, good for him
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on June 19, 2013, 07:57:03 AM
There's a night club in Waukesha, Wisconsin called Rooters -

http://www.rooters.com/index.html

I've played there a time or two - just guitar, mind you - but from the parking lot, you can look across the street and see the sheep barn at the Waukesha County Fair Grounds.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on June 22, 2013, 01:00:40 AM
And here's number four
It's funny. you do one job and then they come out of the woodwork
Time to go out to the shed and put my own bike together
G

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Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Jon on June 22, 2013, 03:30:53 AM
All different customers Grumm?

Which bike you going to put together?

Cheers
jon
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on June 22, 2013, 05:20:47 AM
All different customers Grumm?

Which bike you going to put together?

Cheers
jon

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRStQaVvkVGLrbkRoHbgiPLAbZsTC36Eflu5uWLKYLjVWgPmfMp)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on June 22, 2013, 01:26:33 PM
All different customers Grumm?

Which bike you going to put together?

Cheers
jon

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRStQaVvkVGLrbkRoHbgiPLAbZsTC36Eflu5uWLKYLjVWgPmfMp)

Pentagon work - sweet . . .  :wink:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on June 22, 2013, 07:20:11 PM
well, I was going to put together my 750GTe Ducati this weekend
However one of our cats got run over and is in cat hospital with a broken leg
its costing a bit more than we expected so I have to do paying work this weekend

and the Vincati's .....   same shop, different owners
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Freud on June 22, 2013, 08:15:18 PM
I'm passing along the best of American culture to try to elevate the standards of the Down Under.

No charge for these gems.

http://clipnation.com/open-beer-ultimate-compilation/?icid=mensmoreonlink

FREUD
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on June 22, 2013, 08:31:41 PM
I expected to see one attached to the front bumper of a car going in reverse down the salt at a high rate of speed, backing over a mile marker.

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Freud on June 22, 2013, 08:36:48 PM
I've NEVER hit a mile marker.......

FREUD
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on June 22, 2013, 09:42:37 PM
Not yet - but there are always more beers to open . . .

:cheers:


Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on June 23, 2013, 07:07:29 AM
Chris, I was about to accuse you of being highly insensitive -- talking about discovering a cat "...attached to the front bumper of a car going in reverse down the salt at a high rate of speed, backing over a mile marker."   Then I realised you were talking about Freud's beer opening video.  Sorry. :-)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on June 23, 2013, 09:23:14 AM
we never did get around to the reversing rental car record, although I did get to drive the rental car flat out on, or maybe I shouldn't mention that one   :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Freud on June 23, 2013, 12:00:20 PM
Built in electronics have made "backing up" fun no more.

FREUD
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on June 23, 2013, 06:21:21 PM
Built in electronics have made "backing up" fun no more.

FREUD

We need to find a way to chip the "anti-Jim Rockford" circuitry.  I'll get started on a work-around.

But it is easier on your neck - you can just watch the TV . . .
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on July 02, 2013, 05:51:09 PM
Working on my own bike at last
G
(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc28/grumm441/GTe004_zps4d5ba323.jpg) (http://s219.photobucket.com/user/grumm441/media/GTe004_zps4d5ba323.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on July 08, 2013, 08:07:29 PM
How ya goin with that photobucket stuff Pops? looks like it might have your measure....or maybe you moved the bike and the image was like a web-cam or somethin'...... :roll: :roll:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on July 09, 2013, 04:59:14 AM
Beats me

well

(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc28/grumm441/Ducati%20750%20GTe/GTe006_zps35751896.jpg) (http://s219.photobucket.com/user/grumm441/media/Ducati%20750%20GTe/GTe006_zps35751896.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Captthundarr on July 09, 2013, 08:33:29 AM
Nice, looks a little rough on the bum though. Do you folks ever cut your grass? :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on July 09, 2013, 09:34:49 AM
Nice, looks a little rough on the bum though. Do you folks ever cut your grass? :-D

Once a year, if it needs it or not
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on July 09, 2013, 09:38:48 AM
CT-- goats did--- until they went on strike in protest from being used as  cycle ---instead a scythe.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Captthundarr on July 09, 2013, 10:09:21 AM

 :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on July 09, 2013, 10:41:50 AM
Graham don't let CaptT give you crap about your grass... when my neighbor gets tired of seeing my grass get too tall he comes by and cuts it...
he knows it is Bonneville prep time  :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on July 09, 2013, 10:42:50 AM
CT-- goats did--- until they went on strike in protest from being used as  cycle ---instead a scythe.

Sparky, it's called an A.R.M.  -  Aussie riding mower.

Yeah, wow brother, that yard is a mess.

Grummy, I hope you can find a new girlfriend real soon . . .

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on July 09, 2013, 10:50:01 AM
lol-- :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on July 09, 2013, 06:28:26 PM
My neighbor mows the front , but I wont give him a key to get into the back yard
Yep, my yard is mess , but at least I don't have an asbestos shed in it anymore
and it's still not as bad as Goggles yard
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on July 10, 2013, 09:52:19 AM
G, nothing wrong with letting the neighbor do part of the "yard"... works for me  :cheers: :cheers:
See ya on the salt  8-)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Jon on July 10, 2013, 04:11:18 PM
Duc is looking nice Grumm, you going to club reg it?

If you start mowing every year we're all going to have to, I'm quite happy with every second thanks.

jon
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on July 10, 2013, 06:01:21 PM
Club permit, you bet I am. Full registration is about $700 for that bike and club permit is $67 for 45 days

I would probably mow more often if I had a ride on like stainless's neighbor
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Buickguy3 on July 10, 2013, 06:09:53 PM
    My neighbor had a beautiful woman mowing his yard with a push mower and wearing hardly anything on for mowing apparel. My neighbor was sitting in the shade of his porch with an ice cooler with cold brews. While he's viewing the young lady mowing and he's sipping along comes a very proper lady down the walk. She sees what's taking place and yells at my neighbor:" You ought to be hung!". The neighbor yells back:"I am, that's why she's mowing!".  :evil:
   Doug  :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: Hope everybody is ready for the Salt.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: maj on July 10, 2013, 06:16:47 PM
I would probably mow more often if I had a ride on like stainless's neighbor
G

want to borrow mine , bit like that but red
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on July 10, 2013, 08:02:20 PM
Doug, it's only Thursday here

Greg. If it was yellow.   

G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on July 15, 2013, 09:13:50 PM
My neighbor mows the front , but I wont give him a key to get into the back yard
Yep, my yard is mess , but at least I don't have an asbestos shed in it anymore
and it's still not as bad as Goggles yard
G

Get lost, it's never been as bad as yours.... at least mine is level, and I mow the lawn every week...I'm almost civilised. I spent Sunday mulching and doing a general tidy up , my garden kicks your garden's arse......trust me, then I had a bonfire and sat out there drinking beer, it was bloody maglorious. :cheers:

Speaking of civilised, the condition you placed on returning to my shed to work on the tank has just been met, ding-dong! :-D,

 you wouldn't believe how happy I am about that!!!

Now, it's been a sad week for landspeed with the loss of Bill Warner,I won't pretend to be able to say anything that could do it better than those who knew him well, he sounded by all accounts like one of the best, a smart bloke and nice with it. I don't race bikes and I am in a hurry to say I have every amount of respect and admiration for those who do, I worry about you dudes.

Floydjer sent me a message and lamented about how it was such a pity that all of the news coverage was negative.... I responded that I had a .pdf of the recent coverage we got here from Australian Geographic magazine, so here is a link to their site, be nice, it's made for the general public. Thanks to Natsumi Penberthy and Nick Cubbin. This shows landspeed as what we all love, the article also deals with our very good friend Brett de Stoop's 240mph get off.

Pictures: http://www.australiangeographic.com.au/journal/view-image.htm?gid=13525 (http://www.australiangeographic.com.au/journal/view-image.htm?gid=13525)

a video:  http://www.australiangeographic.com.au/journal/video-speed-week-australia-2013.htm (http://www.australiangeographic.com.au/journal/video-speed-week-australia-2013.htm)

aaaaaaaaaaand if you want the full article pm me with your email and I'll send it to you it even mentions your favorite possum wrangler and proprietor of the Spirit of Suhine Landspeed Lab and Idiot Wonderland......

cheers

Dr G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: manta22 on July 15, 2013, 09:36:41 PM
Nice video-- good music, too. Your presence enhanced the whole experience 8-)

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on July 15, 2013, 09:44:00 PM
Thanks Neil, been a while since you and I starred in a vid together..... ;)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on July 15, 2013, 11:15:12 PM
, my garden kicks your garden's arse......trust me, then I had a bonfire and sat out there drinking beer, it was bloody maglorious. :cheers:

Speaking of civilised, the condition you placed on returning to my shed to work on the tank has just been met, ding-dong! :-D,

 you wouldn't believe how happy I am about that!!!

Dr G

Trust me??? are you trying to get elected
I'de like to come over , but I have to clean up my yard now....



Now, it's been a sad week for landspeed with the loss of Bill Warner,I won't pretend to be able to say anything that could do it better than those who knew him well, he sounded by all accounts like one of the best, a smart bloke and nice with it. I don't race bikes and I am in a hurry to say I have every amount of respect and admiration for those who do, I worry about you dudes.


Too true

G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on July 16, 2013, 06:18:02 AM
The design I did for the Colonel's shed included landscaping turning it into an awesome level quadrangle outdoor bbq space.

We'll see if that happens...

rH+
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on July 16, 2013, 06:25:53 AM
I'm not seeing that on my plans
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on July 16, 2013, 06:43:57 AM
Ok, looking at it now it is a little more curvy on one side than a quadrangle, its been a few years since I drew that...

d
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on July 16, 2013, 10:58:35 AM
Artist's rendering . . .

(http://i361.photobucket.com/albums/oo58/milwaukeemidget/dali-the-persistence-of-memory_zpsd170d114.jpg) (http://s361.photobucket.com/user/milwaukeemidget/media/dali-the-persistence-of-memory_zpsd170d114.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Jon on July 16, 2013, 10:59:49 AM
Congratulations on the cleanup Goggles, mum her go ok?
Grumm will be able to come across for you now ;)

jon
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on July 16, 2013, 06:14:37 PM
Artist's rendering . . .

(http://i361.photobucket.com/albums/oo58/milwaukeemidget/dali-the-persistence-of-memory_zpsd170d114.jpg) (http://s361.photobucket.com/user/milwaukeemidget/media/dali-the-persistence-of-memory_zpsd170d114.jpg.html)

Put the panels back in the fig tree?
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on July 16, 2013, 06:30:01 PM
Artist's rendering . . .

(http://i361.photobucket.com/albums/oo58/milwaukeemidget/dali-the-persistence-of-memory_zpsd170d114.jpg) (http://s361.photobucket.com/user/milwaukeemidget/media/dali-the-persistence-of-memory_zpsd170d114.jpg.html)

Put the panels back in the fig tree?
G

ahhh, the good old days....
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/GOPR2134.jpg)

Thanks Jon, mum's still got a spark.

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on July 16, 2013, 09:23:00 PM
"Life imitates Art far more than Art imitates Life"

Oscar Wilde
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on July 16, 2013, 11:11:59 PM


Get lost, it's never been as bad as yours.... at least mine is level, and I mow the lawn every week...I'm almost civilised.

Dr G

Uh huh
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on July 17, 2013, 01:27:09 AM
Stand by, I will be adorning the fig tree with every possible piece of automotive part I can find........ :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on July 17, 2013, 06:10:13 AM
and more chickens?
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on July 17, 2013, 09:16:23 AM
maybe peacocks or guineas  :-D they might liven up the neighborhood of course peacocks will stink it up also
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on July 19, 2013, 12:21:07 AM
"have you seen our peacocks"? his neighbor asked my brother law....as he said to me "I replied "they're not on the roof?"....I figured that was a better answer than "seeing how I asked you to collect them three thousand times and they spent their entire time either making a racket on our roof or shitting everywhere I shot them"
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on July 19, 2013, 12:32:00 AM
A very, very effective plan B -- a fitting end to a Peacock story
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Tman on July 19, 2013, 03:29:49 PM
The lady North of us has Guineas. Shat on my 54 one time only
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: salt27 on July 19, 2013, 09:00:59 PM
I don't know about the Guineas but the peacocks are tasty if done right.

Oh, our neighbor has peacocks too. :roll:

 (name withheld)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: maj on July 21, 2013, 12:25:23 AM
Can a Guinea fowl fit in a Peacock ? talking of eating reminded me of a turducken
which i am still amazed at the concept of  :-o
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on July 21, 2013, 01:47:56 AM
what would that be a PeaNea or a GuPea
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on July 21, 2013, 03:15:23 AM
A mate of mine shot a galah when we were camping at about 14, we decided to eat it.

The traditional recipe for galah calls for a pot of water, a stone and a galah...."after boiling the galah in the billy with a quart of water and the stone eat the stone"

We were young, we thought we knew everything, we should have stuck to the recipe...

I think the turducken was inspired by this....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/food/2011/01/rotten-seabirds-for-supper.shtml (http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/food/2011/01/rotten-seabirds-for-supper.shtml)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on July 21, 2013, 12:28:02 PM
Isn't Hoon the current word for Galah?
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SaltPeter on July 22, 2013, 03:51:21 AM
A mate of mine shot a galah when we were camping at about 14, we decided to eat it.

The traditional recipe for galah calls for a pot of water, a stone and a galah...."after boiling the galah in the billy with a quart of water and the stone eat the stone"

We were young, we thought we knew everything, we should have stuck to the recipe...

Hey Doc

That just a myth, I used to live on a Banana and Paw Paw Plantation (in the long distant past) and we did the same with a Scrub Turkey only we used an old Boot instead of the Stone,
but we were really hungry so we ate both and I could not pick the difference.

Pete :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on July 22, 2013, 05:05:17 PM
Ah!...now you mention it it sounds like something mum used to cook, never knew what she put in it but that sounds about right. :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: twodear on July 23, 2013, 07:09:37 PM
Isn't Hoon the current word for Galah?
  Sid.

Galah is another word for Hoon but they are pretty universal - Although Popeye had Goons...
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on July 27, 2013, 09:56:13 PM
So my neighbors 15 year old had an all night party on friday and more visitors this morning at 5 am
 I got up early and mowed the lawn. Ok Captthundarr
funny tho, the mower wouldn't run properly so I had to take the muffler off
G
 
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: RidgeRunner on July 27, 2013, 10:17:53 PM
     It's all about those sound waves bouncing in the right directions at the right times for maximum effect.......   :cheers:

            Ed
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on July 27, 2013, 10:23:59 PM
So my neighbors 15 year old had an all night party on friday and more visitors this morning at 5 am
 I got up early and mowed the lawn. Ok Captthundarr
funny tho, the mower wouldn't run properly so I had to take the muffler off
G
 

Esprit de corps amongst neighbors is what keeps Preston "tidy".

Well done, citizen!   :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on July 27, 2013, 10:25:58 PM
So my neighbors 15 year old had an all night party on friday and more visitors this morning at 5 am
 I got up early and mowed the lawn. Ok Captthundarr
funny tho, the mower wouldn't run properly so I had to take the muffler off
G
 
Farkin "A" Mate! :cheers:
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: salt27 on July 27, 2013, 10:30:25 PM
So my neighbors 15 year old had an all night party on friday and more visitors this morning at 5 am
 I got up early and mowed the lawn. Ok Captthundarr
funny tho, the mower wouldn't run properly so I had to take the muffler off
G
 


Goats got mufflers?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on July 27, 2013, 11:05:18 PM

Goats got mufflers?

Just one . . .

(http://i361.photobucket.com/albums/oo58/milwaukeemidget/goatmuffler_zps3f7cee56.jpg) (http://s361.photobucket.com/user/milwaukeemidget/media/goatmuffler_zps3f7cee56.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on July 28, 2013, 04:41:25 AM
Must have been a two stroke thing
Nice muffler on the goat
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Jon on July 28, 2013, 08:45:02 AM
Two stroke and goat shouldn't be in the same paragraph sorry, your not from Bourke are you?


I'm confused Dr G, I looked up the definition of unit and didn't find anything that described me¿
The closest I got was; "a standard measure used in calculating alcohol intake and its effects"

jon

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on July 29, 2013, 05:20:33 AM
Is this a Masons thing
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Jon on July 29, 2013, 08:11:16 AM
Is this a Masons thing
G
Or Boundary Rider

jon
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on July 29, 2013, 08:55:42 PM
OK, unit, more help here my pumpkin sconed friend...

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=unit

Can't help but notice this thread has been "unflagged"...is it because we are irreverent, wholly unfocused on racing or is it because we are pinching views from folks who are seeking recompense for something , I dunno.

Just in case anyone thinks we aren't focused on racing I wish to reassure you and save you the pain and suffering of labouring under a misconception  that there are things going on, but none of those are worth airing publicly here.

There is good news at the Spirit of Sunshine Landspeed laboratory, Possum Park and Idiot Wonderland and we expect that work may indeed begin soon on the 2014 campaign. There seems little chance that the October Gairdner meet will eventuate due to the lake still  being wet. There was some doubt as to whether it was a suitable event for us as we don't have the data we required to make the decision as to whether we could step further down in our gearing and still attain a higher speed on a short course which is what the meet intended to run.

As it stands we will be running the Haltech and 2.28:1 final gearing with the same motor we ran this year. There are a few little changes I wish to make to the car, the new steering column arrangement needs to be twitched slightly, the gearshift and chute also will need to be seen to , other than that it all looks pretty simple.

aahhaahahahahahahaha :-D :-D :-D

Sadly I won't be making the trip to Bonneville for Speedweek, Simon "Double Page Spread" Davidson" will be there and is taking Boris Viskovic who many of you are familiar with along, The Colonel too will be here in Melbourne, we may well have a little get together , toast the salt, and Carmen's while yer all at it....... 

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on July 29, 2013, 10:00:24 PM
We shall be Grummless?  :cry: Oddly enough, Gus and I were discussing Carmen's about an hour ago.  :cheers: Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on July 29, 2013, 11:20:35 PM
Yep Grummless.
Maybe we'll be reflagged? when we get to 400,000, or stop talking rubbish
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Freud on July 29, 2013, 11:31:02 PM
Send Simon to The Kilo Klub.

FREUD and Kepner
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on July 30, 2013, 12:35:48 AM
Send Simon to The Kilo Klub.

FREUD and Kepner
he was already talking about catching up with you Pa.


Kepner probably wants to punch me in the nose, he did send me some nice photos though, boy I wish I was going to be there, I so wish I was going to be there..........

ah well.

Hey Colonel, when are we having the "fire up party".... by rights it should be this Sunday night?......whaddayareckon?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: salt27 on July 30, 2013, 01:39:50 AM
OK, unit, more help here my pumpkin sconed friend...

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=unit



OK, now I'm confused, Are you calling him a ape or a dick? :roll:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on July 30, 2013, 01:50:57 AM
OK, unit, more help here my pumpkin sconed friend...

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=unit



OK, now I'm confused, Are you calling him a ape or a dick? :roll:

I choose, my preferred usage "defies description".....so yeah , I guess like an apes dick.... nno, in all seriousness it is a term off admiration..."you're not like the rest".....there.

In the meantime , here is a picture. Feel free to use it in whatever format or venue you like, it is of a photographer at our favorite place, he is enjoying himself doing what I won't be able to do and that is shoot the Subaru with like minded folk for an uninterupted week.......

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/IMAG0137_zps4f0d7f3f.jpg) (http://s190.photobucket.com/user/fourdoorshitbox/media/IMAG0137_zps4f0d7f3f.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on July 30, 2013, 05:15:55 AM
Sunday Night???
Don't you work.
I'll be working on this on Monday
Got to keep my wits about me
G

(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc28/grumm441/Pommiecrap007_zpsca9312fb.jpg) (http://s219.photobucket.com/user/grumm441/media/Pommiecrap007_zpsca9312fb.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Jon on July 30, 2013, 06:02:46 AM
Sunday Night???
Don't you work.
I'll be working on this on Monday
Got to keep my wits about me
G

(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc28/grumm441/Pommiecrap007_zpsca9312fb.jpg) (http://s219.photobucket.com/user/grumm441/media/Pommiecrap007_zpsca9312fb.jpg.html)

You probably should have a drink Sunday evening Grumm, you'll surely want one Monday evening.
Nice looking unit WTF is it.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Jon on July 30, 2013, 06:05:59 AM
OK, unit, more help here my pumpkin sconed friend...

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=unit



OK, now I'm confused, Are you calling him a ape or a dick? :roll:

I choose, my preferred usage "defies description".....so yeah , I guess like an apes dick.... nno, in all seriousness it is a term off admiration..."you're not like the rest".....there.

The glass is definitely more than 1/2 full.
Went to a special school (School Of The Air anyway)

I hate pumpkin scones, who thought was a good idea????
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on July 30, 2013, 07:58:19 AM
It would appear to be a Brough.  :wink:  :cheers: Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on July 30, 2013, 08:54:42 AM
Indeed
And that is my assistant, about to be yelled at
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Frankie7799 on July 30, 2013, 11:38:33 AM
Thats a bummer Dr G that you and Grumm wont be at B'ville this year. If all falls into place Ill be making my first trip up there next week, most likely hanging out with Sparky as I havent met anyone else yet from here. Theres always next year to meet youze two famous Aussies  :-)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on July 30, 2013, 01:26:59 PM
I was wondering if youse guys were paying attention to the sticky-osity of the thread.  Now that I know it's still a valid concern - to be in front of everyone so you can continue to rack up scores of extra points -- please note that I've re-stickied the thing.

Happy now?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on July 30, 2013, 05:22:43 PM
no,not happy Jon.......were I going to Bonneville  in a few days I would be happy, so right now I'm just filled with my.usual sense of idiotic glee that I haven't been hit by a meteorite, run down by a herd of wilderbeast or died from a coke machine falling on top of me.Make sure you take a couple of the Spirit of Sunshine t-shirts with you to either auction,give away or just clean up mess with,and assign the funds to the upkeep of this pillar of landspeed society. Signed, non-goat aligned Dr G.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on July 30, 2013, 05:31:30 PM
Thats a bummer Dr G that you and Grumm wont be at B'ville this year. If all falls into place Ill be making my first trip up there next week, most likely hanging out with Sparky as I havent met anyone else yet from here. Theres always next year to meet youze two famous Aussies  :-)

and shame we won't get to meet you too, Big Bill will assuage you of any illusions that we're something special....really we're just like the mouse walking past the campfire and casting a GREAT BIG shadow on the tent.....we'll be back,and so will you. We'll catch up then.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on July 30, 2013, 07:47:28 PM
Dr. Goggles said:  "Make sure you take a couple of the Spirit of Sunshine t-shirts with you to either auction,give away or just clean up mess with..."

Well, unh, Nancy's been wearing them and they might not fit the average racer quite right.  Okay, they'll look pretty goofy unless you're shaped in some similar manner.  But really - we sold a good number of the excess during the winter fund raising times, so maybe the one that I've been wearing regularly will be the only one I can find.  Thanks for the shirts.

We'll miss you folks for sure.  You always lend a bit of serenity and sobriety to the scene at Bonneville. :?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on July 30, 2013, 08:23:51 PM
Dr. Goggles said:  "Make sure you take a couple of the Spirit of Sunshine t-shirts with you to either auction,give away or just clean up mess with..."


We'll miss you folks for sure.  You always lend a bit of serenity and sobriety to the scene at Bonneville. :?
Yeah. That's what I was thinkin'.  :roll:   Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on July 30, 2013, 08:26:05 PM
hey Wayno,take some shirts if you have any there,and remain the pillar of sensible sobriety that you is,are,whatever,get Simon and Boris sorted too........ :roll:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on July 31, 2013, 05:14:45 PM
Can anyone else smell something burning? like plastic???    :?

I'm a little worried , last I spoke to Don he was wiring his bike, or at least talking about it...I know it's 8200miles from here to Rainagain but I can't help smelling electrical problems :evil:

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: generatorshovel on July 31, 2013, 07:00:16 PM
Can anyone else smell something burning? like plastic???    :?

I'm a little worried , last I spoke to Don he was wiring his bike, or at least talking about it...I know it's 8200miles from here to Rainagain but I can't help smelling electrical problems :evil:



Would that be yellow plastic you smell Goggs ?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: salt27 on July 31, 2013, 08:35:36 PM
Can anyone else smell something burning? like plastic???    :?

I'm a little worried , last I spoke to Don he was wiring his bike, or at least talking about it...I know it's 8200miles from here to Rainagain but I can't help smelling electrical problems  :evil:



Wow, that was close.

The yellow wire has been replaced with red and the smoke detector silenced. :-o

Our county (Douglas) has been declared a disaster area do to a forest fire, and no I did not start it.

Thanks to Dr. G being familiar with the smell of hot yellow insulation a near disaster has been adverted. :-D

 Don

Oh by the way it is Rainagainandagain or were you just abbreviating.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: bucketlist on August 01, 2013, 01:43:44 AM
..."after boiling the galah in the billy with a quart of water and the stone eat the stone"...


http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/food/2011/01/rotten-seabirds-for-supper.shtml (http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/food/2011/01/rotten-seabirds-for-supper.shtml)

The traditional Oklahoma recipe for gar has you nail it to a board. Y'all might think about amending your recipe, the board is probably a lot more tender and juicy than a stone.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on August 01, 2013, 04:21:34 AM
..."after boiling the galah in the billy with a quart of water and the stone eat the stone"...


http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/food/2011/01/rotten-seabirds-for-supper.shtml (http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/food/2011/01/rotten-seabirds-for-supper.shtml)

The traditional Oklahoma recipe for gar has you nail it to a board. Y'all might think about amending your recipe, the board is probably a lot more tender and juicy than a stone.

When I was at boarding school they used to feed us mutton, and I'm not talking about 3 year old sheep....this stuff was likely old merino that wasn't worth shearing anymore because the fat on the chops was thin and yellow and they smelt like stinky old scrubbers , jeez it was bloody awful. After that stuff I could eat anything, anything, except mutton.....A stone? no problems, as long as it didn't smell like mutton.........

Once an old neighbour gave my sister a chicken and said " I think it might be a boiler", she roasted it and I kid you not we couldn't eat it, it smelt good, it looked good but it was the toughest thing I'd ever tried to chew and I still had all my teeth, it made the galah we'd had a crack at seem like fattened quail.It definitely should have been nailed to a board, and boiled for a week, or two.

Hey Don, I couldn't help but notice that Sparky edited your post....did you call me something that the cuss-filter didn't get or was it something                      else.....

  (spaces)  if you do not put a space between your last word  your little character doesn't post ----  sparky
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on August 01, 2013, 07:12:12 AM
Here's a shot from Natsumi Penberthy's Australian Geographic article taken by photographer Nick Cubbin, we look happy because we just ran 215.041mph.....

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/p480x480/1011402_460914360671649_1756034302_n.jpghttps://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/p480x480/1011402_460914360671649_1756034302_n.jpg)

Because we managed to run that speed I got a hat.... oh yeah and I dunno if I told you but I got a dog too, well sort of a dog...I figure she's probably in the lower .1 percentile of dogs by weight...she's under 4lbs at 18 weeks...She's called Woogie...

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/1005350_468087029954382_888664787_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Koncretekid on August 01, 2013, 08:19:36 AM
..."after boiling the galah in the billy with a quart of water and the stone eat the stone"...


http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/food/2011/01/rotten-seabirds-for-supper.shtml (http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/food/2011/01/rotten-seabirds-for-supper.shtml)

The traditional Oklahoma recipe for gar has you nail it to a board. Y'all might think about amending your recipe, the board is probably a lot more tender and juicy than a stone.

When I was at boarding school they used to feed us mutton, and I'm not talking about 3 year old sheep....this stuff was likely old merino that wasn't worth shearing anymore because the fat on the chops was thin and yellow and they smelt like stinky old scrubbers , jeez it was bloody awful. After that stuff I could eat anything, anything, except mutton.....A stone? no problems, as long as it didn't smell like mutton.........

Once an old neighbour gave my sister a chicken and said " I think it might be a boiler", she roasted it and I kid you not we couldn't eat it, it smelt good, it looked good but it was the toughest thing I'd ever tried to chew and I still had all my teeth, it made the galah we'd had a crack at seem like fattened quail.It definitely should have been nailed to a board, and boiled for a week, or two.



-----And I see you still have your mortar and pestle in case you need to mush up your stone, or chicken, or mutton - - easier on the remains of the teeth, I suppose!
Tom
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on August 01, 2013, 10:19:42 AM
Here's a shot from Natsumi Penberthy's Australian Geographic article taken by photographer Nick Cubbin, we look happy because we just ran 215.041mph.....

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/p480x480/1011402_460914360671649_1756034302_n.jpghttps://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/p480x480/1011402_460914360671649_1756034302_n.jpg)


Don't know if this link ever got posted, but I'm sure we'd be happy to get together a collection to replace Animal's trousers. 

http://www.australiangeographic.com.au/journal/gallery-speed-racing-in-south-australia.htm

Woogie - that's the second shot I've seen of her.  Still has the curious, head-cocked, floppy-eared "I wonder" look in her eye.

Problem with puppies is that they grow into dogs . . .  :roll:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on August 01, 2013, 10:59:26 AM
At least she won't grow up into a Wife/Boss!! :-D
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on August 01, 2013, 11:01:49 AM
she is wondering why that strange looking dog has learned to walk on all four :-o    :-o
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: manta22 on August 01, 2013, 12:57:22 PM
Goggles:

Great photo!!

"When I was at boarding school they used to feed us mutton, and I'm not talking about 3 year old sheep....this stuff was likely old merino that wasn't worth shearing anymore because the fat on the chops was thin and yellow and they smelt like stinky old scrubbers , jeez it was bloody awful. After that stuff I could eat anything, anything, except mutton.....A stone? no problems, as long as it didn't smell like mutton......... "

Man, does that bring back memories. When I was in the Army, we flew from Germany to Benbecula in the Outer Hebrides and fired our missiles into the Atlantic from a British Royal Artillery Range there. We ate in their mess hall and I swear they had mutton for breakfast, mutton for lunch, and mutton for dinner! We looked forward to getting some C-rations to get a break from all that mutton. Arrggghhh.......   :-P

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on August 01, 2013, 05:31:17 PM
Chris, I know you're a cat man, I love cats, they taste just like.....er, Galah....no, in all seriousness I have had cats in the past but I also love my birds and the problem isn't just that they eat them, but they keep them at bay too, particularly the less urbanised ones. If you have a cat you will still have mynahs, but no honey-eaters. The issue with Woogie is quite the opposite, I'm worried that a seagull or something similar might pick her off......

The Colonel, is a cat man.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on August 01, 2013, 06:33:35 PM
Hey Bill......don't tempt me :roll:


ps: when are they gonna fix the wink icon, I NEED that :|
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on August 01, 2013, 06:46:02 PM
Not a cat man
I like cats, but I can't eat a whole one
When the last cat died, I said no more cats
When Corinne's father passed away, she inherited his cats
so they moved here.
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on August 01, 2013, 08:15:24 PM
Doc, don't be spreading libelous rumors about me.

The cat's belong to Mrs. Midget.

I am not a "cat man", I am the unwitting warden in a felonious feline penal colony.

As to how they taste - dressing out a 12 lb. tabby isn't worth the meat you'd get off of 'em . . .
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on August 02, 2013, 10:44:54 AM
Fine dining at a Chinese resturant!:roll:
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Buickguy3 on August 02, 2013, 10:06:19 PM
Like this place.
  Doug  :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: See everybody that comes around the Salt Cat pit on Friday.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on August 18, 2013, 10:11:47 PM

The Colonel and I didn't get to go to Speedweek this year, much to our disappointment, I followed avidly on the site and got word of various mishaps and haps via the old Fartbook thing but really, you had to be there.......Congratulations to all who had a successful week but most importantly commiserations to our friends Bob and Jonny who stared it in the face and happily are still with us to tell the tale.

There has been huge progress on everything except the Spirit of Sunshine at the landspeed lab, possum park and Idiot Wonderland, a wall is gone from the kitchen, paint has been applied in all sorts of places and there has been no small amount of rearrangement. This progress will soon move to the shed and workspace outback which will no-doubt thaw the maw that is the lack of progress on the car. Me and Grumm have talked about what we're going to do, so that is at least a start. My mortgage has just gone up which will eat into the , er, racing budget but as we see it there may not be a huge amount to spend......

Now, on the subject of Chinese restaurants there was a manufacturer of what we call dim-sims who was also allegedly involved in one of Australia's biggest heists, the "Melbourne Bookie Robbery" where a group raided the Melbourne Bookmaker's club during the Spring Carnival and netted millions of dollars most of which was "yet to be counted", it has never been solved.....He was eventually shot in a bungled robbery at Melbourne Airport by the Police Special Op Group, it was also alleged that several missing people found their way into some of his deep fried treats.......

Colonel?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on August 18, 2013, 10:42:27 PM
Soylent Yellow?  :| Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on August 18, 2013, 11:25:52 PM
What? Who?  Where?

Are you asking me about Dim Sims, you would do better to ask Sharon.

Or are you asking about Mortgages, no I have one again also.
Mortgage being from the Latin:  Mort - Death    Gage - Contract
Yep I missed being at speed week although with the streaming it was almost like being there?
Although who ever that was behind the mike at times didn't seem like he was at the same speedweek I've been to.
Anyhow I'm at work and should get back to it
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on August 18, 2013, 11:36:39 PM
too much time on yer hands Yeats,back out to the shed . :roll:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on August 30, 2013, 05:10:26 AM
Not much point having a sticky if no one's posting
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: twodear on August 30, 2013, 07:45:44 PM
Not much point having a sticky if no one's posting
G

Life keeps getting in the way :-(
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on August 31, 2013, 12:15:02 AM
Yes indeed
I've just been fixing an oil leak on my old Ducati
It turns out they cast this electric start cover out of some sort of cheese.
Not the oil tight type
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on August 31, 2013, 01:12:37 AM

I've just been fixing an oil leak on my old Ducati


Only one?  :? 

Don't overdo it.  If you "fix" it, how will you know when to add oil?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on August 31, 2013, 02:42:40 AM
Well that's easy. It has an engine assembly oil level indicator
Well that's what ford calls it
Ducati call it a dipstick
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on August 31, 2013, 10:42:36 AM
What is going on in the quest to find the "Rs"  :?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on September 01, 2013, 07:37:29 AM
So, I ripped the scab off it today. I was surprised how little tidying up was really required in the shed. I wiped the "to do" board clean, removing most of Graham's smart arse comments like " chop the creeper from in front of the blackboard" or " get more chalk"..... we have some basics. we have to change the diff ratio. we have to add another vac-u-pan. we have to lift the steering column. we have to get started .....

Hey colonel, fortnight today?, or the day before?....I'm in Tassie next weekend but after that? we're at it.

Thank you , and good night. :roll:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on September 01, 2013, 08:15:34 AM
What is going on in the quest to find the "Rs"  :?

Thank goodness Sparky
I thought you might have been stuck in your tank, unable to reach your phone


Hey colonel, fortnight today?, or the day before?....I'm in Tassie next weekend but after that? we're at it.

Thank you , and good night. :roll:

I think I might have some Amish coming over
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on September 01, 2013, 10:16:39 AM
it was a close shave  :-o I just hope the tech'ies don't spot the "Skid
Grease"  on my fire suit during bailout .   :roll:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on September 01, 2013, 06:20:15 PM
Spent Sunday trying to work out how to fix the oil leak from the speedo drive in my powerglide.
I think the simplest solution is to replace it with a T700
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: salt27 on September 01, 2013, 07:14:49 PM
Spent Sunday trying to work out how to fix the oil leak from the speedo drive in my powerglide.
I think the simplest solution is to replace it with a T700
G


Dan Hostetter said "If you don't fix your oil leaks your car won't rust".

His 32 has spent a lot of time on the salt and isn't rusty.

That must be why there are so many old Harleys and British bikes.  :-D

  Don
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on September 01, 2013, 07:48:05 PM
Spent Sunday trying to work out how to fix the oil leak from the speedo drive in my powerglide.
I think the simplest solution is to replace it with a T700
G


Dan Hostetter said "If you don't fix your oil leaks your car won't rust".

His 32 has spent a lot of time on the salt and isn't rusty.

That must be why there are so many old Harleys and British bikes.  :-D

  Don

Factory fitted anti corrosion system. They're more intricate than you think, when road grime sticks to the bottom of yer car it is a source of ongoing "wet-spots" that promulgate rust, if the entire bottom of your car is oily( like many of my 60's Holdens were) it's better than teflon, NOTHING STICKS TO IT......

How ya goin Don, finished the reno's yet? :evil: :evil:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on September 01, 2013, 07:52:02 PM
They all sound like good plans, however, it only leaks when it's in my driveway and the chances of me taking it on a salt lake are zero.
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on September 01, 2013, 09:00:38 PM

Factory fitted anti corrosion system. They're more intricate than you think, when road grime sticks to the bottom of yer car it is a source of ongoing "wet-spots" that promulgate rust, if the entire bottom of your car is oily( like many of my 60's Holdens were) it's better than teflon, NOTHING STICKS TO IT......


Ahem . . .

That was a British invention, Dr. alwaybitchinaboutpommycars . . .
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on September 01, 2013, 10:53:39 PM
They all sound like good plans, however, it only leaks when it's in my driveway and the chances of me taking it on a salt lake are zero.
G

Well, I'm callin BS on that one. Wheel it into the loungeroom , onto the carpet( that is carpet that stuff you've got there isn't it) and watch it go.Actually, take it to the salt, then Penny can lag you for it dripping on the lake :-D :-D :-D


Factory fitted anti corrosion system. They're more intricate than you think, when road grime sticks to the bottom of yer car it is a source of ongoing "wet-spots" that promulgate rust, if the entire bottom of your car is oily( like many of my 60's Holdens were) it's better than teflon, NOTHING STICKS TO IT......


Ahem . . .

That was a British invention, Dr. alwaybitchinaboutpommycars . . .

You didn't talk to the Colonel about them did you. We sat in a bar one day the Col. lookin out the window uttered in surprise,

"did you see that?".....
"huh, what?" said I,
"two Jags, and they weren't towing !"

that needed a wink smiley that one.......
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Jon on September 02, 2013, 12:00:45 AM
Spent Sunday trying to work out how to fix the oil leak from the speedo drive in my powerglide.
I think the simplest solution is to replace it with a T700
G

Pre ECU controlled T700 sounds like an effective repair.

jon
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: salt27 on September 02, 2013, 12:02:52 AM
How ya goin Don, finished the reno's yet? :evil: :evil:


Reno? No we have not been to Reno lately but it sounds like a good idea.

Why don't you met us there around next August and we can go sight seeing out Wendover way.  :-D

Or you could just drop by our old School house and I'll put you to work.  :evil: :evil:

Ha, Don

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on September 02, 2013, 12:15:00 AM
Dr. G  just reread your blog of your 215 hat--- what is going on with the R's
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: salt27 on September 02, 2013, 12:18:13 AM
Dr. Goggles, We had a little on line birthday party for you and you didn't show up.  :?

So what the heck are you so old you can't remember your own birthday?  :-D

Regards, Don
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on September 02, 2013, 12:24:13 AM
How ya goin Don, finished the reno's yet? :evil: :evil:


Reno? No we have not been to Reno lately but it sounds like a good idea.

Why don't you met us there around next August and we can go sight seeing out Wendover way.  :-D

Or you could just drop by our old School house and I'll put you to work.  :evil: :evil:

Ha, Don




Contrary to what you may have been told, you are not "only as old as you feel", but only as old as you act.


Don, seeings how you're six if we're going to a Casino you'll have to wait in the car, it's a traditional thing here in Australia.

Birthday wise , I had a quiet one, FFS , I'm a hundred and sixty three...... :roll:

Bill, we have a Haltech, we're re-gearing to the 2.28 we'll rev it to 6550 and this time we'll use first and second gear as well, we'll go faster, faster and hopefully have enough real estate to get it over 230's......
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: salt27 on September 02, 2013, 12:31:36 AM
Don, seeings how you're six if we're going to a Casino you'll have to wait in the car, it's a traditional thing here in Australia.


When you say car, if you mean "tank", I don't mind.  :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on September 02, 2013, 12:06:38 PM

Don, seeings how you're six if we're going to a Casino you'll have to wait in the car, it's a traditional thing here in Australia.

Oooch . . . you HAVE spent some time in the social services profession . . .

"Here's you Gameboy and some Gatorade - Daddy is going in to win some money.  Don't let Fido pee in the car."
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on September 02, 2013, 12:09:20 PM

Don, seeings how you're six if we're going to a Casino you'll have to wait in the car, it's a traditional thing here in Australia.

Oooch . . . you HAVE spent some time in the social services profession . . .

"Here's you Gameboy and some Gatorade - Daddy is going in to win some money.  Don't let Fido pee in the car."
Oh, and that goes for you, too.  :x Dad
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on September 04, 2013, 11:16:46 PM
Well, a new low, my job took me to the greyhounds yesterday....yeah I can make jokes about leaving kids in the car while you go gambling......

On a lighter note I spoke to Andre Van Schie, the tank is going to the Chopped show at the beginning of October and on the way home I will drop it at Andre's and return the next week to help him do the ratio swap.

In Feb we ran
205.013mph@ 28 inch tyres x 2.56 final drive = 6316rpm
215.041mph@ 28 inch tyres x 2.41 final drive = 6237rpm

on both runs the car levelled off gently at the top speed and ran it pretty much for two miles

My theory is the ecu was pulling the timing and the power was tapering off, the 79rpm difference reflects the increased drag at 215mph............so as the drag curved arced up the power curve met it, as it does. If it was a mechanical( valve train) issue I would have expected a less stable speed, but what happened was the acceleration decreased very evenly and the speed varied only by a mph over the last two.

Thus , we have the Haltech plug and play ECU.......

Do the maths:

28 inch tyres x 6550rpm x 2.28 final drive , who wants a biscuit?

just to back-fill, we ran 215 with the 2.41 starting in third gear and leaving the truck at probably 40mph, less than ideal.

We are revamping the gear shift courtesy of Jon, leaving in 1st gear from the line we will use less real estate than the F100 and it's piss-poor 302, running to 80-90mph in second gear should see that mark a loooong way before we hit it this year in third leaving us I reckon, maybe the last two miles to stack on the extra "xx"mph above the 215....

We are short on data, but no-one was more surprised than us at how the car ran in February and with the Haltech and a full set of gears we think we might have a contender. :roll:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on September 04, 2013, 11:22:34 PM
 :-o I would leave the gears and try to do it with RRRRRRS  that little puppy should pull 7-7200
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on September 04, 2013, 11:48:04 PM
Using my seat of pants calculator Bill it hit the two speeds at the same point of the track starting in third, using a lower gear off the line we will go faster sooner, if we don't go any faster with the 2.28 we'll chuck the 2.41 back in it and have a stab from there but a little bird told us we'll live a longer happier life under 7k.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Kiwi Paul on September 04, 2013, 11:50:29 PM
Biscuit???!!!! Actually, I`d even settle for a Violet Crumble....oh I know, Sid, it`s sacriledge to one up a Crunchie.....Gingernut and a Cuppa Choysa it will have to be... :-D :evil:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on September 05, 2013, 10:23:11 AM
Doc, it's already a contender. 

+- 1mph/79 rpm between runs is an insignificant comparative stat at 215.  And if you can outaccelerate the push truck, it becomes more of a nod to formality than a necessity.

I need to catch up with Bob Bleed before he takes off to OZ for Chopped - make sure he sees the tank.  Anything I might be able to throw into his guitar case for you?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on September 05, 2013, 11:35:02 AM
DR. G  I get it that is the chicken or the egg thing but we have to get that eng turning 7-7.2 sometime ---.I know you know the trade offs!!!!

UPDATE:

I just went to one of my dream charts and plugged in:
2.28 and 28" ---230 at 6300
2.41 and 28" ---235 at 6800

NOW I get it--- see if it can get there with the hp you know you have NOW  or you will know how short you are
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on September 05, 2013, 12:00:35 PM


". . . because if you build a high-revving hi-comp motor and break it, you'll never be able to afford to build another one". Jack Dolan

Bill, let's have an argument.  :cheers:

This is not a hi-revving, hi-comp engine.  The bottom end is remarkably stock, and while it has proven itself reliable, I don't think it will take 7k.

If we were splitting logs, I'd take the sharp wedge and the lighter hammer.  You'll split more logs, and you won't wear yourself out.

SOS is a sharp wedge - I think it can be done with the gears.

Now SOMEDAY, I'm going to convince them to buy that Menard Indy engine and stuff it into this.  At that point, all bets are off.

 :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on September 05, 2013, 01:23:17 PM
MM I am sorta with you and Doc-- if we keep gearing up until we can't pull it the we will know where we are HP wise the the option is the other way
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on September 05, 2013, 07:13:34 PM


Now SOMEDAY, I'm going to convince them to buy that Menard Indy engine and stuff it into this.  At that point, all bets are off.

 :-D

Or maybe finance it
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on September 05, 2013, 08:58:18 PM
Grumm   :evil: shoot for the big marble---sponsorship or at the very least---eng. partner  :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: wobblywalrus on September 05, 2013, 09:05:57 PM
The issues you are dealing with are what I am wrestling, too.  There is a tipping point where naturally aspirated power becomes very expensive for limited increases and enhancment becomes the most cost effective alternative. 
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on September 05, 2013, 09:47:52 PM
UPDATE:

I just went to one of my dream charts and plugged in:
2.28 and 28" ---230 at 6300
2.41 and 28" ---235 at 6800

NOW I get it--- see if it can get there with the hp you know you have NOW  or you will know how short you are

Yup, that is the point I was trying to make. It still seems we have no wheel slip. It seems that the car ran the two speeds at the same point on the track. Had we been able to accelerate using 1st and 2nd gears I feel we would have shifted into top maybe a full half mile before I did. In 2010 we were still accelerating in the last mile before the motor would nose over. We had none of those issues, we were running over twenty miles faster two miles sooner!, I strongly believe the Haltech will let us put another 250-300rpm on what seems to be the current ecu imposed recline of 6350 by way of the fact the the power curve drops dramatically, the design of our motor would tend to indicate that would be the point that the curve was heading north ,not south. Another important point is rather than slogging down the track at 3-5000rpm in 3rd we will be able to use the 5000-6500 range in 1st and 2nd before hitting 4th in the high 4000s... Am I making sense?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Speed Limit 1000 on September 06, 2013, 01:00:29 AM
[quote author=Milwaukee Midget link=topic=862.msg232184#msg232184 date=1378396835

Now SOMEDAY, I'm going to convince them to buy that Menard Indy engine and stuff it into this.  At that point, all bets are off.

 :-D
[/quote]

Check with Stainless, he has a Menard Indy motor.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Jon on September 06, 2013, 02:32:41 AM
Am I making sense?

Ummmmmmmmm................... Yes

Seal the scoop.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on September 06, 2013, 07:32:15 AM
[quote author=Milwaukee Midget link=topic=862.msg232184#msg232184 date=1378396835

Now SOMEDAY, I'm going to convince them to buy that Menard Indy engine and stuff it into this.  At that point, all bets are off.

 :-D

Check with Stainless, he has a Menard Indy motor.
[/quote]

Bit soon Johnboy,bit soon.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on September 06, 2013, 08:01:56 AM
I see this one is still available -

http://www.race-cars.com/engsales/other/1348602323/1348602323ss.htm

It's only got 4 hours on it.

Given the history, you could easily squeeze another 20 minutes out of it . . .  :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on September 06, 2013, 07:24:58 PM
I see this one is still available -

http://www.race-cars.com/engsales/other/1348602323/1348602323ss.htm

It's only got 4 hours on it.

Given the history, you could easily squeeze another 20 minutes out of it . . .  :-D

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Indycar-Irl-Buick-Menard-Racing-V6-950-HP-Indy-500-Motor-Race-Ready-Lola-Reynard-/221278098222?pt=Race_Car_Parts&hash=item338533d32e

and its getting cheaper
g
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on September 06, 2013, 11:41:18 PM
From a previous post -

Quote

I could try to hunt down a Menard Indy engine for you - probably bolt right up.


errr... really? I just looked it up and as a rev limited 10 000rpm  buick 6 it could indeed just bolt up and blast us into history.
I can't imagine there is much use for them these days... how much do you reckon?

rH+

http://www.race-cars.com/engsales/other/1348602323/1348602323ss.htm

I think that price is quite high given the limited possibilities for it.  I'd offer them 6.  Probably be the only bona fide offer they would have received for it.

Ship the car over with the old donk, swap it out in the parking lot of the Nugget, and away you go.



That would do it
Now I just need to find some spare cash
I'm currently getting quotes to have my asbestos sheds removed
What some of these guys want to remove this stuff would be a significant down payment on that engine
G

It's only a 5 hour drive. 

Want me to grab a camera and tape measure?

I'd be willing to clean out a corner of the garage until you picked it up/made arrangements.

That offer still stands. 

They ARE temperamental, but dial back the boost a bit, and I suspect it would be quite tractable and long lived.

Realistically, including dyno time and machine work, it's cheaper than my Formula 2 spec BMC.

The big downside is that it's set up for fuel - I don't think you have a big enough fuel cell to get to the 7.  But on gasoline with the boost turned down, I think 500 hp would be easy and reliable.

We can swap it in at Wayno's.   :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on September 07, 2013, 12:59:14 AM
I'm thinking it's probably in the nines comp wise,we could reconfigure it to run NA.....even if it made exactly the same power as the motor we have it would be bulletproof and we could rev the ring out of it, it's about doing work...........10k is a lot of work....
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on September 07, 2013, 01:04:44 AM
It's less than we have in the current motor.......
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Jon on September 07, 2013, 06:12:57 AM
Which components are the rev limiting ones in the current build?

jon
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on September 07, 2013, 11:04:14 AM
I would think the cheapest sure fix would be a set of pistons to up the compression ratio, dont up the rpm, just up the gear.
9 to 1 is a blower engine.
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on September 07, 2013, 05:59:04 PM
We're only at 9.6 static Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: bones on September 07, 2013, 07:58:08 PM
Hey Doc
 
   Turbo bussa  -- 400 easy hp
  12000 rpm    maybe better gearing options
   and Grum is a bike mechanic :-D
   Bones
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on September 07, 2013, 08:38:51 PM
Save your money, Doc.

I'm beginning to think what you have is a surer bet -

Correspondence with the owner of the engine, via E-bay -

Dear indy88,

What is the static compression ratio?
Do you have a dyno sheet from after the re-build?
Do you have clearances documented post rebuild?
Where were the last 4 hours run at, and in what?

Thank you.

- 4dflthed


Response -

Dear 4dflthed,

It was last run in 1996 at Disney Land Speedway IRL Indycar race in a Lola Indycar. We have no paper work or specs.
Thanks


- indy88


4 hours in an Indy car is about the life expectancy of one of these engines.

Given the temperamental history of these things, I'm thinking it's likely pretty well used up.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Jon on September 07, 2013, 08:58:31 PM
Hey Doc
 
   Turbo bussa  -- 400 easy hp
  12000 rpm    maybe better gearing options
   and Grum is a bike mechanic :-D
   Bones

2 would fit pretty easy ;)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on September 07, 2013, 10:34:19 PM
Jon, he would have to cover the wheels to put in 2
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on September 07, 2013, 10:41:06 PM
"We can swap it in at Wayno's.    :cheers:"      I'll bring squash. Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on September 07, 2013, 11:18:08 PM
"We can swap it in at Wayno's.    :cheers:"      I'll bring squash. Wayno

Bring Squash? it seams the only thing that grows in Wayno's yard is Squash!
G



Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on September 08, 2013, 05:26:00 PM
"We can swap it in at Wayno's.    :cheers:"      I'll bring squash. Wayno

Bring Squash? it seams the only thing that grows in Wayno's yard is Squash!
G

Would you rather mow 10 times a year, or harvest once?

I have no recipes for lawn clippings.

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: salt27 on September 08, 2013, 05:37:03 PM
I have no recipes for lawn clippings.




I hear they are good in brownies, oh wait that was grass clippings and it would only be for those in Colorado and Washington State.  :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on September 13, 2013, 09:53:40 PM
I just got home from taking my Mum to the supermarket
She's crashed her car and Father is too cheap to buy her a new one
When I got beck to Mum's place , she told me she had a family heirloom to give me
Something that had been in her house since she was young and the family thought I should have it
G

(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc28/grumm441/Bluebird_zpsee0dd1f3.jpg) (http://s219.photobucket.com/user/grumm441/media/Bluebird_zpsee0dd1f3.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: salt27 on September 13, 2013, 10:15:45 PM
Grumm, what are the details, size, is it a model, a tether car, powered.

What's the underside look like?

Oh, I wouldn't let Goggles play with it if I were you.

  Don
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on September 13, 2013, 10:24:41 PM
It has a "Bluebird" vibe, for certain.

The problem with the toys like that was that they were usually used as "toys". 

For what is likely a late 1930's era piece, it's in stunning shape.

I would like more details on that, too.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: WhizzbangK.C. on September 13, 2013, 10:48:04 PM
Very cool, Seagrave's Golden Arrow from 1929.

This looks like it may be the same model?

http://theoldmotor.com/?p=136

Looking closer, not the same, different front wheel mounting and more detail in the cockpit on the one that you have.

Very cool indeed!
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on September 14, 2013, 04:53:15 AM
it's a Kingsbury toys clockwork model
it is about 20" long and apart from the paint it's in pretty good condition
and it's deluxe
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Graham in Aus on September 14, 2013, 08:51:25 AM
Very nice!

Could it be a model of wizard Smiths Don Harkness built Enterprise?

http://www.gregwapling.com/hotrod/land-speed-racing-australia/land-speed-racing-australia-enterprise.html

With thanks to Greg for the history site.......

More on Harkness here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/powerhouse_museum/sets/72157623444749654/

Great pics!  :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Graham in Aus on September 14, 2013, 09:03:35 AM
Nah;....... looked again and I think it is the Golden Arrow as stated, great thing to own, nice!  :-P
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on September 14, 2013, 10:46:31 AM
Congratulations and a great big thank you to you family for saving it---I know you will cherish it!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on September 14, 2013, 11:32:47 AM
Very cool, Seagrave's Golden Arrow from 1929.

This looks like it may be the same model?

http://theoldmotor.com/?p=136

Looking closer, not the same, different front wheel mounting and more detail in the cockpit on the one that you have.

Very cool indeed!

We have a whizzbang winner -

http://42ndblackwatch1881.wordpress.com/2009/12/

You and Doc still have a ways to go to catch up with that 84 year old record, but you're a lot closer than I am.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on September 17, 2013, 02:11:52 AM
Yes, one of my sisters gave me some ribbing about not being as fast as a car from the twenties....I took pains to point out to her that our engine was less than a sixth of the size..............that thing would have cost a few houses back then too, still hurt but... :roll: :roll:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on September 23, 2013, 05:54:08 PM
http://www.wimp.com/metricsystem/

G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on September 23, 2013, 06:15:55 PM
That show is impossible to watch. Now I remember why.  :roll: Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on September 23, 2013, 06:59:14 PM
Does anyone think for one minute that they'd have been able to get an accurate read had they been using decimals?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on September 23, 2013, 07:16:10 PM
I spotted their problem immediately. If he had said, its about three fifths of five eights of a fatfingerteenth, they would have had it down to the micron. The only thing that looks dumber than him are those bikes......
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on September 29, 2013, 04:59:04 AM
So where are the pics from the weekend Goggs, or is the cider a problem
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on September 29, 2013, 05:44:00 AM
As I have stated recently there's been a few changes at the Spirit of Sunshine Landspeed Laboratory, Possum Park and Idiot Wonderland.  Cutting to the chase it means that I have made some improvements to the nerve centre, the hearth of landspeed happenings in Sunshine, the shed. I had bought a pair of roller doors some time back, due to the crapstorm that my life was they served as spidertoriums and yard art, last weekend I finally got one of them sorted as the new door of the shed, the old baltic pine doors were on their last legs as the hinges had disintegrated, they were unlockable. The week before I had built some shelving to take square buckets. That was a big developement, anyone who does grinding and painting in the one space and tries to do anything else in there will know the problems that that arrangement engenders. Now I can store stuff in dust proof containers , up high too, giving me more floor space.

So.

Next weekend is the Chopped Hot Rod and Custom Show ( http://www.chopped.com.au/ ) we have decided to take the S.O.S for show and tell, no we wont be putting it on the dirt track, we may not even be able to get it off the trailer, those of you with a flat bottomed car with an inch and a half of ground clearance will see that as a problem on grassy areas.

So.

Yesterday we started the program proper for 2014. The car is the most intact that it has been after a meet. After the last run at Gairdner this year we pulled the electrical system out of it. When we got home I hosed it out before I took it off the trailer , then I dried it with compressed air. When I got it into the shed I put it on the front stands and bought a gallon of WD40. I put the WD40 in my pressure sprayer and hosed the whole thing time and again, each time I went to the shed for the last six months I would give it a bit of a spray. When we started the clean up it was good to see that the car is in better nick than ever. Sure there was dust and crap stuck all over it but almost no corrosion. I had also given the car a bit of a dose of aerosol silicone before and at the lake, cheap and effective.

The Colonel rewired the system, I spent most of my time annoying him, there are some things I'm a natural at. Pete Quick turned up , he brought stout and a fuel pump/carb or something off his Armstrong Siddely Whitworth Mobile, we added some of the Colonel's home brew to the stout for black and tans  and ate pasties....... We drained the fuel tank( yeah I know I should have done that ) put in some fresh juice and grabbed the extra battery from the F truck and cranked it over...we had a few little issues at first then it started. Ran as rich as , and blew smoke, but it ran. The oil looks fine, there was a half a piston in it, no, seriously it was good, we'd had no issues apart from the fuel pump dieing on the end of the last run, that was a wire that got too close to the headers and got cooked.

As I was doing a few things here and there I thought to myself, "I love this car, everything we've been through to build it , run it and what it has done, it's a story and it's a part of us, but most of all, we ain't done yet"

I took some shots:

Racing ain't never hurt this car, it's main enemy is trailering closely followed by the hi-rise jack which it fell of while we were lifting to do the diff swap at the lake. The tail piece of the car has suffered over the years and I'm gonna have to buy some argon and weld up the skin there, repair the fastener holes and straighten it all out a little bit.. looks worse than it is, but it ain't great....

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/P9280253_zps6e80ad72.jpg) (http://s190.photobucket.com/user/fourdoorshitbox/media/P9280253_zps6e80ad72.jpg.html)

Heres the Colonel working his magic.....

I think this one is called "pulling a rabbit out of a hat"

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/P9280254_zpsb1d130d0.jpg) (http://s190.photobucket.com/user/fourdoorshitbox/media/P9280254_zpsb1d130d0.jpg.html)

Here is the Haltech that will be aprt of the solution to the problem of not going fast enough....

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/P9280256_zpsa1779d94.jpg) (http://s190.photobucket.com/user/fourdoorshitbox/media/P9280256_zpsa1779d94.jpg.html)

I think this part is the motor, the water tank is off and that yellow thing would be the scatter shield if my memory serves me correctly.....

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/P9280255_zps23d05cc8.jpg) (http://s190.photobucket.com/user/fourdoorshitbox/media/P9280255_zps23d05cc8.jpg.html)



Haven't tried the cider yet Colonel, about to crack one of the lagers though......

 :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Freud on September 29, 2013, 12:01:12 PM
I was planning on banning you until you did something with S.O.S.

You are now just on probation and have to continue to work or the ban will be applied.

You escaped by the width of the scar on the body panel.

FREUD
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: wobblywalrus on September 29, 2013, 01:40:14 PM
Vizard in his books shows ceramic coating of the combustion chambers, the valves, the piston tops, and the inlet and exhaust tracts.  He claims there are benefits.  Talk with some of the locals here say this is true.  This might be something you can do for next year that will not be a radical expense or change.  You might have done it.  This build diary is bigger than a Shanghai phone book and it is hard to remember everything in it.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on September 29, 2013, 01:49:28 PM
Dr. G so glad to have you back and ON IT!!!
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on September 29, 2013, 04:31:22 PM
It's got ceramic coating from ahole to breakfast time Bo,,manifold,pistons,exhaust.It's in the willows and swallows pattern.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on September 29, 2013, 05:12:48 PM
Bo,
next time I pull it down it will get some more ceramic coating
Which reminds me , Sandrew,(Andrew, the Sandblaster and Ceramic guy)  had suggested some sort of coating on the diff gears which
makes them run cooler. something I should have thought about two weeks ago.
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on September 29, 2013, 05:49:29 PM
That little 7.5 Gms will LOVE 0-30 syn, Mobile I save your money for go fast parts :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on September 29, 2013, 06:07:19 PM
I was planning on banning you until you did something with S.O.S.

You are now just on probation and have to continue to work or the ban will be applied.

You escaped by the width of the scar on the body panel.

FREUD

Amicus curiae

To: Judge FREUD -

The defendants have clearly demonstrated the "good faith effort" that the court requires. 

Five months out to Gairdner?

Given the defendants previous records, both on and off of the track, they're clearly ahead of schedule.

A plea for leniency is what justice prescribes.

Respectfully submitted.

Milwaukee Midget


Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: manta22 on September 29, 2013, 06:12:40 PM
OBJECTION!! Council is badgering the witness!


... at least that was what attorneys on The Perry Mason Show used to say  :-D

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Freud on September 29, 2013, 07:28:41 PM
To whom it may be of value:

This court has no friends.

In light of the defendant having changed from his birth

name and no court record of that deceptive move we

are treating this as an obvious attempt to deceive the

court.

We will hear a plea from his Mother because she probably knows who he is.

If she doesn't defend him he is SOL.

Watch my lips. Don't interupt me when I am talking.

Judge Judy

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on September 29, 2013, 07:39:20 PM
Hi There Punch,

I saw my mother last week, she recognized me initially then shortly after asked me if James was coming too, her evidence would be deemed inadmissable. I plead to the court that although my BFs are, on paper inconsistant, that there is a consistant behavioural thread that is undeniable and I will be able to call upon sufficient number of witnesses happy to identify me as "that a**hole."

This will be the sixth meet we will have prepared for....tried for 2007, tried for and were ready for 2008, went 2009, went 2010, prepared for( car on truck ready to drive off) 2011, cancelled, didn't intend to race 2012(cancelled anyway) went 2013.

I can categorically say I feel the best informed and least stressed about the coming meet, the least unknowns, the least amount of planned alterations to the car(*). So it should be a complete schemozzle.

Hey Pa, I'm just fishing out my banned book( I need it to remind me of the places that I'm not welcome/allowed, it gets hard to remember them), I had penciled us in there too......

The Reverend seems to have some big plans in the wings that may involve the international stage, not just the US but possibly the UK as well. It seems if we hit the intended mark at Gairdner this year that he may have found some coin to get us to Speedweek, and then to ship the car over to him in the UK to work on another body.

Hey Jon, isn't it about time you said something about wetted area? :evil:

(*)raise steering wheel( gut creep), revise gearbox selectors, add axle fairings, repair body damage, clean to-do list blackboard, other things.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Tman on September 29, 2013, 07:41:52 PM
If Goggs is back on it I better work on our Spirit!
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: gkabbt on September 29, 2013, 08:09:34 PM

(*)raise steering wheel( gut creep)

Dr.G.....That seems to have been happening to me as well as my Rampage seems to be shrinking!   Must be something weird going on in the universe!
On second thought.....Maybe to many of these :cheers:!!!!!       :-D  :-D  :-D

Cheers,  :cheers:
Gregg
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on September 29, 2013, 09:08:47 PM
I also took some video on the weekend, good to get things happening again...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Twmse3NFCL0
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on September 29, 2013, 09:40:22 PM
I also took some video on the weekend, good to get things happening again...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Twmse3NFCL0
I keep forgetting. Which one's you?  :| Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Jon on September 29, 2013, 09:59:51 PM
I will be able to call upon sufficient number of witnesses happy to identify me as "that a**hole."

Hey Jon, isn't it about time you said something about wetted area? :evil:

Yep everybody, I am willing to vouch that he is that a$$hole.

Recon Robfrey should put a box over his liner? :evil:

jon
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on September 29, 2013, 10:20:34 PM
nice forehand there knackers, your play Reverend...........

Wayno, more Drooper than Fleagle, Graham is definitely Bingo......

Guess that means you're Snorky Rev......

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on October 02, 2013, 12:48:57 AM

It seems if we hit the intended mark at Gairdner this year that he may have found some coin to get us to Speedweek, and then to ship the car over to him in the UK to work on another body.


A trip down Pendine Sands, perchance?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on October 02, 2013, 06:24:07 AM
Bloodhound
I am just listening to Richard Noble on BBC Radio 4 talking about Bloodhound. Jeez... it is going to be quick. He is talking about how his mental processes have sped up over the years yet that effects like changes in pressure still re-orientate your sense of perception on these runs and so that you think the car is pointing straight down, "but that only lasts for a few moments so you just ignore that..." Cool as a cucumber that one.

At 400mph he then needs to turn on the hydrogen which pumps a tonne of hydrogen into the rocket in 17 seconds, he is not just a passenger.

I keep getting updates from Roscoe MacGlashan whose own 1000mph car is still on track. He is doing it on a shoestring compared to Bloodhound and I am very concerned that either he will not be finished before Bloodhound or he will be and will kill himself doing it.

Banana Splits
I love those guys but Snorky? Stew is definitely Drooper and the Colonel is Bingo but Snorky??? I want to be be Fleegle. I can't play guitar, I can't sing (and yeah I have a keyboard in my office), but I want to be Fleegle. Fleegle was voice by Paul Winchell who was an inventor and was the first to build and patent the mechanical heart with Dr. Heimlich!
Better show than H.R.Puffenstuff but I think the writers wrote that on the dark side of the drugs that they wrote the BS's.

Streamliner body
Yes movement here. I am seeing the Dean later this month to discuss the streamliner body of the tank. He is a composites guy so hopefully he'll get excited. I have spoken to additive manufacturing staff and looking at getting it made here. I have a PhD student and an Iranian scientist who did his PhD on an extreme low drag vehicle assisting on testing some ideas I have on a new shape for the car.

We are following the road that SoCal took with building a streamliner over the chassis of the tank. This is because the tank is sorted and we have it already and cannot afford the time or the money to build another car. I know that it is wider than is ideal but then there are some improved stability issues which is good on the S part of FSB, our design mantra (every part has to be Fast Safe Beautiful).

As for the body's wetted area yes it maybe larger than the tank body but when you add into that the drag and turbulence created by the axles, tie rods, and wheels that is a small price to pay for what will be a net overall improvement in slipperiness so it should actually go faster than the tank. This historically was an argument against the original So-Cal tank and it proved the nay-sayers wrong so I don't think the physics have changed too much since then. Still the proof is in the pudding and a bad design will be slower than a good design so no guarantees until we put it on the big white dyno.

We could narrow the axles and improve the frontal area but I would hate to destroy what we have in the tank as we are so proud of the shape as it stands.  The idea of the streamliner design is that we can continue to use both bodies on the car, even at the same meet if we desire getting maximum bang and fun for our buck. It is going to be tricky to get a good shape over the car but my feeling as a creative is that limitations help you to be creative in many ways as it rules out so many options and forces you into new pathways. As Clint says, "a man's got to know his limitations" and we know the car pretty well.

Bonneville and UK plans
The plan I'd like to see happen for the car is if it runs to hopes at Lake Gairdner next year with the new Haltech fixing the problem them we should green light taking it to Bonneville for Speedweek 2014. I do have a possible sponsor for some of this but I would also look at some crowd sourcing funding to make it happen and the whole team can go. Then after whatever happens in Bonneville instead of taking it back to Australia we ship it to campus here for its new body to be attached and fettled. Whilst here the bellytank can do a run on Pendine Sands in Octobe with the Hot Rodders making it a car that has run on three different famous landspeed tracks in three different countries. I(I don't know why this matters so much but to actually drive where Perry, Seagraves and Campbell all broke records excites me enormously). I have been talking to one the heads of Yorkshire Air Museum which has the longest runway in Britain and is the home of many landspeed record attempts (including Richard Hammonds ill fated rocket car excursion) and it would be possible (and ideal) to test the new body on the car there until sorted as it is only an hour north of here.

Rogers and Hammerstein taught me that you need a plan to have a plan to come true but cadets also taught me that a plan also needs to work in the first place and be flexible to allow for unforeseen elements and I reckon it passes muster on those points too.


Reverend Fleegle





Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Jon on October 02, 2013, 03:24:06 PM
Wasn't actually thinking wetted area, was thinking frontal area.
My mind sees all the air that is currently going under the axles will have to be displaced a long way to go a conventional Streamliner route.
The Carbonite liner has made the air around the axle area much happier than a standard axle tube without moving it very far. Believe that would be a good concept to pursue, maybe even a Trihull arrangement if you wanted to get funky.

PS, not my car, love your work.
jon
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on October 03, 2013, 12:48:33 AM
 :cheers: :cheers: to all you guys
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on October 03, 2013, 04:59:59 AM
Hey Jon, you are right in that the frontal cross section area will be bigger. My understanding of aero for that is that if we can keep the boundary layer attached for as long as we can and have a much higher percentage of it smoothly going around the car and joining neatly up behind then the drag will be less than the total of a bunch of separate entities.

The good thing about getting this student on board is that he can test some different shapes and combinations and permutations using fluid analysis software which will give us some answers to these questions, (with the caveat the only real way to know is still real world testing but the software is getting much better these days given formula one input etc.)

You are also right about slipstreaming the axles, a simple aero teardrop shape over the currently circular axles will reduce the drag by a factor of 10. That is if we had ten times less axle out in the wind which is significant and so we will be doing that on the axles for the bellytank.

Having outrigger pods would be fun and I do like the Italian catamaran style bellytank that was at the Freo motor museum but by my reckoning there would be a greater wetted area doing it this way than a more bulbous shape (remembering a sphere is the most volume you can make with the least skin).

Finally it kind of is your car Jon, it's everybody's car who contributes to it and we thank everyone for their thoughts and contributions as we cannot do this alone and we only know any of this stuff through discussion with everyone else and looking and thinking about what they have done. So keep those questions and observations coming, they are greatly appreciated and make for a better car. I will publish results of our analyses here when we get them done.

Dik

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on October 03, 2013, 08:25:17 AM
You are also right about slipstreaming the axles, a simple aero teardrop shape over the currently circular axles will reduce the drag by a factor of 10. That is if we had ten times less axle out in the wind which is significant and so we will be doing that on the axles for the bellytank.
Dik

yep, we'll definitely do that, because a guy called Jon has made some 'glass fairings for the axles.....just sayin....
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on October 03, 2013, 09:11:49 AM
I can see a cover up coming soon--- :roll:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: tauruck on October 03, 2013, 12:31:16 PM
I can see a cover up coming soon--- :roll:
The "Glass Slipper".
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Tman on October 03, 2013, 05:03:21 PM
Wow, lofty plans guys! Go for it!
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on October 04, 2013, 11:35:04 PM
Whilst here the bellytank can do a run on Pendine Sands in October with the Hot Rodders making it a car that has run on three different famous landspeed tracks in three different countries. I don't know why this matters so much but to actually drive where Perry, Seagraves and Campbell all broke records excites me enormously.

Rev, there's a degree of romanticism in this sport that few outside it will ever understand.  It's based in history, mystery, mastery and legend.

I've got to believe that this would be the first car to have run on all three courses.

I charge you to conquer the world.

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on October 05, 2013, 06:28:01 AM
A day in the grass at http://www.chopped.com.au/
One for the sponsors, both of them
G

(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc28/grumm441/374/374atChopped_zps5fbe4c68.jpg) (http://s219.photobucket.com/user/grumm441/media/374/374atChopped_zps5fbe4c68.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on October 06, 2013, 04:51:14 PM
Yes, Chopped.

Simon Davidson talked me into taking the tank, initially I was hoping to take both of them but in reality the Sprite, the little 165 gal. job with no motor, and being too low to drive there, and um not being a race car as the fall back option as an excuse for being a static display I wasn't taking it.

Simon arrived on Wednesday and we did some body assembly before we collected the trailer from Pete's, had dinner and checked out his Whitworth mobile , we got back to the SOS lab and Idiot Wonderland where my drunk neighbour tried to give me direction in backing the trailer, that was a portent.... Thursday morning we trailered the car and Simon left to photograph a wedding that was happening that day at Chopped...... I took Friday off and doid the last few things before I set off for the 80 mile drive. I got there and it was log jam, single lane dirt track, solid cars and people darting in and out ..me with a trailer that doesn't fit anyehere and a car that you can't unload anywhere that isn't flat. I stopped at the service station around the corner for a final check...

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/p480x480/534016_502673396495745_2127989175_n.jpg)

We found Kyle one of the Ford brothers who told me where to set up. I could camp in the staff area, nice. We got some help from two guys camped next to us, they hadn't let the day pass unrefreshed... once the tank started rolling down the ramps they let it go ...it now has a ding in the nose...... I hitched it up and dragged it around to the main area, I was in a bad mood. The very first guy who started talking at me said..." you should put a small block in it" it wouldn't have mattered what I said, he was just a three hundred pound Furby that said the same thing over and over.....from then on I stood back and just listened to what people said...most of it was good. Saturday was entirely different, I just talked and talked, loads of enthusiastic, smart, interested people......i do get a laugh out of the guys who walk up, look into the cab, shake their head and walk away....About ten times people asked me what sort of motor, when I said V6 it was apparent that they'd thought it was a jet or rocket...."Oh, its a car engine"........kids love it, always have, women love it, the more affected the dress of the men...bandanna, etc, the less they seem impressed..."put a small block in it"...blah blah blah...."why don't ya put a blower on it?"......."you should put suspension on it"......."I'm gonna make one of these"............However the serious ones are a different thing, came across a young architect who is planning a build, a couple who are keen on buying in the States, and some others with a growing pile of parts, it was great fun talking to everyone.

I loaded it, drove home, unloaded it....got it jammed on the driveway...used the hi-rise jack to skid it sideways, bruised my hand.... At one point there were some guys watching me load at the show, I was using the hi-rise to change the race tyres off, "hey, if any of you guys have too many fingers you can come over here and have a play with this jack....", they laughed, they've been there too.

On the way home I stopped at the Chewton cemetary just near Rod and Carol Hadfield's place, it was where The Reverend and I finally decided we were doing this, almost exactly ten years ago....

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/1385920_503759456387139_1432910806_n.jpg)

Now the real stuff starts for preparations for next year, unfortunately the guy who was going to do our diff set up can't now, so I'll be finding someone else to do it...we need new front tyres.... we need some paint.....

On it goes.....
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on October 06, 2013, 05:31:48 PM
...used the hi-rise jack to skid it sideways, bruised my hand....

And there it is!
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on October 06, 2013, 05:33:46 PM
Do you ever feel like John the Baptist?

Your take on the audience mirrors my experiences.

Even when you're in what at first blush appears to be "friendly" territory - an old skool rod show - where one might expect to encounter a higher degree of understanding of what you're trying to do, you wind up fielding questions and comments that have no basis in your reality.

However the serious ones are a different thing, came across a young architect who is planning a build, a couple who are keen on buying in the States, and some others with a growing pile of parts, it was great fun talking to everyone.


Few understand . . .  but those who do - or at least want to - are the ones who make such forays past the borders of Mundanium worth the trip. 
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on October 06, 2013, 06:33:49 PM
I knew you'd like that I'd managed to hurt my hand Dik.

Yes Chris. I spent twenty minutes talking to an older guy who said he had built sprint cars for years who kept on about suspension. After a bit I made a point of interupting him and said....

 " I'm not sure if you heard me right?.....I've run 215 MILES per hour and it ran like a train, on the long list of things to do to this car suspension is at the very bottom, most of the things on that list won't get done. It doesn't need suspension, I'm not putting suspension on it. Not having it means it has better aero, that's why it has run so fast. That's what we're trying to do"

Fortunately there were a lot of people hanging around at that point because i could see that what I had just said had bounced off his impenetrable head and he was was busy constructing his next question about when, I was going to put the suspension on it and how I was going to put what type of suspension I was going to use.

Another guy was entertaining his mates pointing out the VW bus steering box..." I used to be a VW mechanic "I know EVERYTHING about those pieces of rubbish" ......"now you know everything about everything" I muttered to Norm Hardinge who had just told me he has the same steering box on his 200mph roadster.....it was all good natured, it wasn't the toughest or maybe the coolest car there, but it was the fastest.......I didn't bother pointing that out to anyone who didn't already know.

And?.......that's what it's all about.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Kiwi Paul on October 06, 2013, 07:09:24 PM
Chewton Cemetary? Wow......My old mate Harry Wright lives not far from there. Actually--anyone that lives in Chewton lives not far frm there... :wink:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on October 06, 2013, 07:42:21 PM
Dr. G  you are spot on---" Oh is that one of them rocket cars???"n  :cheers: --- yeah bro  be sure and watch out for the jest blast!!!   :wink:  lol
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: twodear on October 06, 2013, 09:33:32 PM
...it wasn't the toughest or maybe the coolest car there, but it was the fastest.......I didn't bother pointing that out to anyone who didn't already know.

And?.......that's what it's all about.

Priceless! Cool... :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on October 07, 2013, 03:39:08 AM
My favorite question was "so is it a replica of..........."
Oh and that guy you left me with on Saturday
He was still talking to the car when I drove out the gate
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: tauruck on October 07, 2013, 07:25:43 AM
Doc, You should write a book. Seriously!. Reading your post was like watching the movie if you know what I mean. I could actually see the guys you spoke about and imagined what they looked like. Excellent read. I'm waiting for more. Most average Joes only ever heard the term small block from other average Joes. Maybe a small block suspension would really make you go fast. 8-) :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on October 07, 2013, 10:09:21 AM
Maybe a small block suspension would really make you go fast. cool

love it--lol
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on October 07, 2013, 11:28:09 AM
My favorite question was "so is it a replica of..........."

You know, I think I'd take that as a compliment.  The "classic" bellytank cues are all there - people recognize it as something that they should know something about.

But I'd still dick 'em around a bit . . . create a backstory with just enough historical cues to make it seem viable . . . test their depths . . .

Indeed - good eyes, mate!  It's an exact replica of the '63 Kelvinator Special.  Bob Wills built the original in an abandoned ice house outside of Bakersfield, almost completely from cast-off oil derrick pieces and a surplus CIA surveillance submarine.  

The original car only made two passes at Bonneville before the clutch gave out.  Bob moved to Alaska that fall - he was an oil man, you know - but the car was lost in the Good Friday earthquake in '64.  

We were actually able to source our shell out of Cape Canaveral.  The sergeant at the auction thought it might have been used by the Brigada Asalto 2506, but we weren't able to document that.  

Still, a nice piece of history, eh?

The engine?  Yeah, it's a small block.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: manta22 on October 07, 2013, 12:53:22 PM
"Brigada Asalto 2506", eh?

 Damaged in a training accident at Base Trax?  :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: smitty2 on October 07, 2013, 01:55:44 PM
Rev... be careful of your Iranian Scientist. The Iranians are working on a "Lifting Body" project to deliver a warhead. He might be fishing for ideas.
 Be careful you don't get put on the No Fly List...

Smitty     :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on October 07, 2013, 02:02:29 PM
"Brigada Asalto 2506", eh?

 Damaged in a training accident at Base Trax?  :-D

We've been in communication with a military hardware surplus specialist who lives in Arizona - seems he has a theory on it.

See, Neil - it's practically writing itself!  :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: manta22 on October 07, 2013, 02:20:38 PM
Goggles, your description of the car show spectators certainly rang true with me. I used to take my car to local car shows and the spectators were certainly similar to the ones you described.

Occasionally there is someone who does know something and who is interesting to talk to. But--

There is always the "expert" who feels compelled to explain the car to the rest of the crowd-- even if he hasn't a clue as to what he is talking about.

There is also the guy who is impressing his girlfriend with his knowledge of all things automotive... "It's a Lamborghini."
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on October 07, 2013, 03:42:37 PM
Wow Neil, who's the kid in the picture....  :-D

I had the Bockscar at Mid America Powersports, the local sponsoring bike shop, for their open house.  I didn't have a single person think a small block would fit in it, let alone suggest I should have one.  They were all a little amazed that I fit in it and had gone 245MPH with an 84ci engine.  I let kids of all ages sit in it, closed the canopy for about 15 seconds on the older kids (20-70) and told them that was how long it took to travel a mile.... folks in Kansas don't see a lot of landspeed cars.

I would go with the MM story, except you have to tell a different story every hour... Then hope folks talk about it over a beer  :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on October 07, 2013, 04:23:38 PM
Thanks for the encouragement folks but really it's all I can do to help me bite my tongue,and not laugh at the great unwashed. The aforementioned "VW mechanic"looked like a long lost Marx Brother and had I think what was the biggest bunch of keys I've ever seen hanging off a dog clip on his belt,that is usually a diagnosis in itself.


Chris, I'm pretty sure your script outline will quickly be adopted by Dik as a basis for a funding pitch for an art film.

But,as always ,the truth, is stranger yet again. The show,or the story, wouldn't be complete without me admitting that I managed to assault at least one member of the crowd with information that they couldn't digest, one particular guy I remember was very keen to move on after I trained my talkzooka on him and loosed off a couple of stories that left him saying,"yeah,ok,what a fascinating story,thanks for that,very very interesting,yes,anyway,thanks" and made those eye movements that a cornered sheep makes........ I'd told him the story of WH700 the Canberra bomber that our tank originally came from,that it flew spy flights over Kasputin Yar,that it was suspected of being the plane that the Migs hit,but didn't bring down, that it was in a film,that it was now in South Australia and we'd had our photo taken with it. I suspect that guy walked over to his friends and said "keep walking, that bloke is nuts"....then he would have gone home and busied himself on his 350/350/9 inch fibreglass 32 while his wife made him a cheese sandwich and tried to digest what he'd seen and heard.

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/IMAG0938_zps735f0de4.jpg)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on October 07, 2013, 04:38:04 PM
See, buried in Stainless's post was some sobering info, told.

Seeing that, and reminiscing , I looked at some shots. Stainless and his friend Alan took the Colonel and I on a flight from Wendover airport, I post them without comment, we had a tremendous time....yes they are my fingers in the shot...not entirely sure why I chose that one out of the row...it just gave some perspective.....
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/StainlessandAlanupfrontintheCessna2_zpsce1684ba.jpg)

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/GOPR0277_zps0f3ff1b5.jpg)

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/th_GOPR0164_zps86e9e50e.jpg)

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/th_GOPR0134_zpsb4e4205a.jpg)

It was an older model and didn't have a very high operational ceiling...........
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: salt27 on October 07, 2013, 04:41:01 PM
Thanks for the encouragement folks but really it's all I can do to help me bite my tongue,and not laugh at the great unwashed. The aforementioned "VW mechanic"looked like a long lost Marx Brother and had I think what was the biggest bunch of keys I've ever seen hanging off a dog clip on his belt,that is usually a diagnosis in itself.


Chris, I'm pretty sure your script outline will quickly be adopted by Dik as a basis for a funding pitch for an art film.

But,as always ,the truth, is stranger yet again. The show,or the story, wouldn't be complete without me admitting that I managed to assault at least one member of the crowd with information that they couldn't digest, one particular guy I remember was very keen to move on after I trained my talkzooka on him and loosed off a couple of stories that left him saying,"yeah,ok,what a fascinating story,thanks for that,very very interesting,yes,anyway,thanks" and made those eye movements that a cornered sheep makes........  I'd told him the story of WH700 the Canberra bomber that our tank originally came from,that it flew spy flights over Kasputin Yar,that it was suspected of being the plane that the Migs hit,but didn't bring down, that it was in a film,that it was now in South Australia and we'd had our photo taken with it. I suspect that guy walked over to his friends and said "keep walking, that bloke,is nuts"....then he would have gone home and busied himself on his 350/350/9 inch fibreglass 32 while his wife made him a cheese sandwich and tried to digest what he'd seen and heard.

It is somewhat disturbing to know that you ewe (Dr. G) would know the eye movements of a cornered sheep.   :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on October 07, 2013, 04:58:41 PM
He's seen it before
It's usually when I start talking about cavitation in fuel pumps
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: salt27 on October 07, 2013, 05:00:40 PM
Or perhaps on a trip to the farm.  :roll:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stan Back on October 07, 2013, 05:41:21 PM
I was at a car show perhaps 20 years ago with my sedan.  I'd labeled it on the windshield tag as a "28 Mercury Torpedo Sedan" which had been authenticated by the spread in the Wheels magazine from Sweden (I told them so).  An elderly gentleman (my age) came up and inquired . . .

A 28 Mercury Torpedo Salon, huh?

Yes, that's right.

I had one.

The Torpedo Salon model?

Well, mine was a Torpedo.

Probably not the Salon, they're very rare.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Speed Limit 1000 on October 07, 2013, 05:43:18 PM
Looks like about 4205 feet MSL to me :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: charlie101 on October 07, 2013, 06:52:12 PM
Well it sounds like you're on top of it all, doesnt'it?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on October 07, 2013, 07:13:50 PM
I was at a car show perhaps 20 years ago with my sedan.  I'd labeled it on the windshield tag as a "28 Mercury Torpedo Sedan" which had been authenticated by the spread in the Wheels magazine from Sweden (I told them so).  An elderly gentleman (my age) came up and inquired . . .

A 28 Mercury Torpedo Salon, huh?

Yes, that's right.

I had one.

The Torpedo Salon model?

Well, mine was a Torpedo.

Probably not the Salon, they're very rare.

That was just burley for a dumb Fiat like me wasn't it Jim :roll:..... It's because you LOOK so friendly and welcoming..... I'm with reply #14  :-D

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=130564

Looks like about 4205 feet MSL to me :cheers:

My what good eyes you have J'et Ski.  :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Freud on October 07, 2013, 08:10:54 PM


Now I know. I had a friend that ran 'shine with one of these.

This establishes that his was a '28 Torpedo, not a Salon.

But the Torpedo was still better than the earlier model called a Grenade.

Stan Back's car rides so smoothly. They were the top of the line.

FREUD
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on October 07, 2013, 08:16:18 PM
Oh no, now the big guys are getting involved .............Stan, I also noticed reply#46....."I believe it has a V6 for power"...........now they're just getting you confused with us...and, oh gawd, reply#57.......

"I met the owner of this car in a bar one night. Quite an interesting fellow. He has been invited to join us on the HAMB, and hopefully he will. He had just coasted his 1928 Mercury down out of the mountains when the engine quit at 4000 feet elevation and was able to coast 25 miles to the parking lot of the bar, which was his destination, anyway."    hahahahahahaha :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

You're like a cross between Batman, the Scarlet Pimpernell and some guy called Stan.... Tman was swept up in it too, most entertaining. :cheers:

Now returning to the job at hand, no Stan, the tank.

We need some tires for the front as we have crossed the two threshold and our frontrunners are deemed passe.
I posted on our club site yesterday and Greg Watters( maj here) offered up a pair of 25 inch landspeeds, one has been profiled a bit so the other will need to be matched to it but otherwise we are very happy to have come across them.I will have to drop the front axle half an inch because the tires we have are M/T 26's.

Our plans to get Andre who helped us at the lake to regear the 10bolt have been stumped so it looks like a crash course in differentials 101 for the Colonel and I, I found the kit we need online so that is the route we'll take.Just for the record we are going down from a 2.41:1 to the 2.28. On the weekend we had a little chat to Animal who'd made the trip up to look at the show, he assured us he can get the mile by mile breakdown of the speeds that we were looking for in order to confirm that the car pulled the 2.56 and the 2.41 to the redline at about the same point of the track giving us better confidance it will be able to haul the 2.28.

I bought some Argon last week, this weekend i'll get the sandblaster fired up and clean up the parts of the body that need welding and make a start there...yeah, and I'll tap the nose out....

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ps: don't worry Colonel I'll make sure I do it in the shed, with the cowl off... :roll: :roll:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Tman on October 08, 2013, 06:05:18 PM
I wasn't swept up. Just lusted after that car for ages!
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on October 08, 2013, 07:39:10 PM
Stan, when are you going to break out your 1938 chopped top Edsel  :?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: generatorshovel on October 09, 2013, 02:07:23 AM
Hey Doc & Co, I have a solution to your missing small block, and blower, not, unfortunately, your suspension,,,,

(http://i1195.photobucket.com/albums/aa399/Blowncbr/donk1.jpg) (http://s1195.photobucket.com/user/Blowncbr/media/donk1.jpg.html)

Did the know-alls specify how small ?
Tiny
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: tauruck on October 09, 2013, 02:40:48 AM
As always this is a great thread. You just know it's going to be good with lots of awesome info and that lighter side. Thanks all. :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on October 10, 2013, 07:51:52 PM
Hey T'fer,there will be bike engines in our future,plenty of records out there in lakester,plenty of room for them in our tank....dunno how the gearbox in a 250 would like getting 1200+kg's going....

lets not forget if we ran a pressurized cooling system and a unitmotor/box we got some space in there for ALL sorts of things...............
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: generatorshovel on October 10, 2013, 08:24:59 PM
dunno how the gearbox in a 250 would like getting 1200+kg's going....

It pulls me ok   :oops:
Tiny
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on October 13, 2013, 04:59:43 AM
Today was a cultural holiday at the Spirit of Sunshine Landspeed Lab, Possum Park and idiot Wonderland, the much celebrated annual  "Cleaning of the Guns", not not weapons, the spray guns........ My gravity feed gun had been used to spray some chrome look enamel, trust me that stuff goes a long way and with the help of some gun wash can really make a mess of your hands. My suction feed gun had some long cured alkyd resin gloss in it.Nice. These guns were last used about eight months ago....Yeah terrible I know, unprofessional, irresponsible, just really bad workshop practice all-round.Forgive me for i have slobbed.

All I can assume is that when I last used them I was short on thinners or gun-wash even shorter on time and probably had tortured hands from prepping and painting and the very thought of getting them wet with solvents wasn't what I wanted to do before a week in the desert. Every time I have looked at the gravity gun with some evil amber colored goo leaking out of it I thought to myself, "nup, not cleaning that right now"......this weekend I'd offered to paint some furniture for a friend, so I had to clean them.......

But before I painted the chairs they needed some cleaning up, "I'll get the little speedblaster out" I thought....so, that was yesterday, my shed has been turned upside down, everything else I planned to do this weekend fell by the wayside, could I find the blaster? Nope.

The shed is a mess,no progress on the car,the chairs didn't get painted......and, I didn't find the blaster. However I did work out that there is a crack in the wire drive mechanism on my Mig, the last bottle of gas I ordered, which was supposed to be pure argon so I can weld aluminium is in fact my usual order of SupaArgon 07 which I use for steel,great.

And now the dog's pissed under my desk.......I'm actually looking forward to going to work tomorrow......



Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on October 13, 2013, 05:07:56 AM
So, I don't have it ,I didn't hide it.
try looking in your loaners list and see who you loaned it too
or ask Woogie what he did with it
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on October 13, 2013, 05:12:49 AM
So, I don't have it ,I didn't hide it.
try looking in your loaners list and see who you loaned it too
or ask Woogie what he did with it
G


I don't believe you.

Loaners list?...I'm preoccupied trying to remember who has borrowed musical gear, tools is anyone's guess.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on October 13, 2013, 05:30:47 AM
get back on the car guys---what I will be doing in 6 hours
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on October 13, 2013, 05:37:40 AM
I need the blaster to clean up the skin so I can weld it...oh that's right , they gave me the wrong gas....and my wire drive is about to cark it..... must be my lucky day.....

Graham, where is my speedblaster?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on October 13, 2013, 06:04:49 AM
So, I don't have it ,I didn't hide it.
try looking in your loaners list and see who you loaned it too
or ask Woogie what he did with it
G


I don't believe you.

Loaners list?...I'm preoccupied trying to remember who has borrowed musical gear, tools is anyone's guess.

I don't have it, look harder

That's why I have a list. learned that one from City Auto Electrical Service.
Klause Wolf is at the top  and you get a mention too.
You could borrow mine
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: tauruck on October 13, 2013, 06:14:25 AM
He he he. It's a disease, this is. I decided today that I'll neither borrow nor lend. My torque wrench, battery charger and some good books are all gone and no I didn't make a list :oops: We have "Woogsta" here and the name started out something like Oogie Woogie four years ago but morphed as they say. She only steals other dogs toys. I feel for you man and hope you come right. Mikey.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on October 13, 2013, 07:13:12 AM
Here is Woogie , all 5lbs of her, Woogie, as in Boogie Woogie, she doesn't steal tools, they're too heavy, and they're not edible..

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/1238302_507218172707934_953948898_n.jpg)

yes the photo is a joke about Apple Vs PC :roll:

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on October 13, 2013, 07:24:46 AM
its not in the HR
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: tauruck on October 13, 2013, 08:59:36 AM
No "Jack" intended but meet Woogsta. She watches TV and has a thing for my monitor. Other dogs in particular. :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on October 13, 2013, 11:13:43 AM
Missing items - Retrace your steps -

Last time I think the sandblaster was mentioned was in 2011, working on the Sprite of Sunshine.

So all you have to do is retrace everything you've done for the last 2 years, and there it shall be.

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on October 13, 2013, 11:51:51 AM

Last time I think the sandblaster was mentioned was in 2011, working on the Sprite of Sunshine.

Chris... Freudian slip?  thinking of switching brands?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: manta22 on October 13, 2013, 12:29:34 PM
No "Jack" intended but meet Woogsta. She watches TV and has a thing for my monitor. Other dogs in particular. :-D

My dog "Doc" (named for Doc Holiday) barks at horses on TV-- what's up with that?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on October 13, 2013, 03:05:43 PM

Last time I think the sandblaster was mentioned was in 2011, working on the Sprite of Sunshine.

Chris... Freudian slip?  thinking of switching brands?
Bob the "Sprite of Sunshine" is my 7ft Prefect framed POS ......see it's much clearer now there is the SOS or the POS,the Spirit,or the Sprite....... :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on October 13, 2013, 03:38:16 PM
Stainless - I ain't switchin' brands -

I still prefer moonshine . . .  :wink:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on October 13, 2013, 04:49:49 PM
Mine is easy to find?
G

(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc28/grumm441/Tools/Slowblaster_zps26f46766.jpg) (http://s219.photobucket.com/user/grumm441/media/Tools/Slowblaster_zps26f46766.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on October 14, 2013, 05:13:36 AM
My dog "Doc" (named for Doc Holiday) barks at horses on TV-- what's up with that?

I had one that only barked at cows on the toob, she'd run behind the TV and growl, coming back with her hackles up. didn't pay attention at the TV at all other than that.

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: tauruck on October 14, 2013, 09:18:39 AM
Grumm, that's a nice cabinet. Luckily it won't be going out on loan.  :-D I like the viewer.  Mine's a toy compared and because of it's size the blow back blasts the screen too. I don't do much blasting but if I have to I can use my mate's one.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on October 14, 2013, 04:56:12 PM
I was going to buy a pressure blast cabinet from a friend of mine who buys every piece of abrasive blasting equipment that comes up on the market.
Then he found this one very cheap, and sold it on to me. It needs some work, however it's well made and it came with about 20 spare ceramic nozzles and full of garnet
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Glen on October 14, 2013, 09:51:43 PM
Takes a big air compressor, but they do a good job with the proper grit, :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on October 15, 2013, 03:35:34 AM
Takes a big air compressor, but they do a good job with the proper grit, :cheers:

Yep
I was thinking that I would just add a second compressor to what I have on a different circuit
I've got 240 volts at 80 amps coming in from the street and 480 volts at 10 amps form the roof if it's sunny enough.
And it came with a selection of ceramic nozzles down to about 1/8th

On another note, all sorts of stuff turns up at mt work
G
(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc28/grumm441/Bikes/Nimbus_zps216ba50e.jpg) (http://s219.photobucket.com/user/grumm441/media/Bikes/Nimbus_zps216ba50e.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: tauruck on October 15, 2013, 04:08:57 AM
That will always make your day. Old bikes are special.  :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on October 15, 2013, 08:03:57 AM
Nimbus
well it will make someones day
I've been too busy with Guzzi and Laverda this week
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on October 15, 2013, 04:29:03 PM
Still haven't found it :-(
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Jon on October 15, 2013, 05:21:17 PM
It'll be yellow, probably hiding after seeing the treatment the spray guns got..
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on October 17, 2013, 02:24:10 AM
.............

...................

........................

...........................

found it :oops:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: generatorshovel on October 17, 2013, 02:29:50 AM


found it :oops:

Where?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on October 17, 2013, 04:06:26 AM
It'll be yellow, probably hiding after seeing the treatment the spray guns got..

He couldn't find it because as it turns out it is red
And he was looking for something yellow
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: tauruck on October 17, 2013, 04:59:13 AM
I'm confused now!!!! :-D   Red Dog maybe?. Went on a mission.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on October 17, 2013, 06:21:59 AM

.............my hand held sand blaster :roll: :roll:

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/utf-8BSU1BRzEwMDkuanBn_zps0ebcc7bf.jpg)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on October 17, 2013, 10:23:53 AM

.............my hand held sand blaster :roll: :roll:

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/utf-8BSU1BRzEwMDkuanBn_zps0ebcc7bf.jpg)

My grandfather used to letter headstones.

I've seen a sandblaster.

Zendex makes a nice pneumatic ear wax remover.

As you seem to be confusing the two, perhaps your sandblaster is in the medicine chest? 

 



Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Freud on October 17, 2013, 06:21:28 PM
Can't see Ya.

Click on the foto.

FerD
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: wobblywalrus on October 17, 2013, 09:30:36 PM
It is important to read about the duty cycle and to not over work the compressor and wear it out prematurely.  This is something I learned the hard way.   
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: manta22 on October 19, 2013, 10:19:21 PM
It is important to read about the duty cycle and to not over work the compressor and wear it out prematurely.  This is something I learned the hard way.   

Me too, but in my case the compressor's electric motor died. I replaced it with a far better one but it was $$$$$$$$.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on October 19, 2013, 10:49:11 PM
It is important to read about the duty cycle and to not over work the compressor and wear it out prematurely.  This is something I learned the hard way.   

Me too, but in my case the compressor's electric motor died. I replaced it with a far better one but it was $$$$$$$$.

Neil, don't tell me that after years of stockpiling ultraraium alloy widgets and surgical steel pop rivets, you forgot to pick up a surplus electric motor along the way?  :-D

When Kate and I got married, we registered at Sears.  As a gag - and unknown to Kate at the time - amongst the linens, place settings and a toaster, I signed us up for a 33 gallon Craftsman air compressor.

12 years, and the Craftsman's never given me any grief . . .

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: manta22 on October 20, 2013, 01:24:48 AM
MM;

I looked through my surplus stash and found a couple of motors--

1. A DC motor that runs on 90VDC.

2. An AC motor that runs on 220VAC 3-phase 400Hz.

3. A motor that runs on red fuming nitric acid and hydrazine.

Yes, I should have bought a Sears Craftsman compressor back when they were made in the USA!  :-D

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: tauruck on October 20, 2013, 02:17:14 AM
This has gone from lost equipment to a compressor comp. :-D I'll weigh in with my Ingersoll Rand 220l/220v. I had a problem with the motor in the beginning  and I made such a nuisance of myself they supplied a new one. The rep couldn't find my place so I met him at the filling station. For some reason he didn't want to follow me home to collect the "faulty" motor. From the time I got home the original has worked flawlessly. I still don't understand what actually went on but I do have a new spare.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on October 20, 2013, 05:41:41 AM
Aye,I have a no name made by Ingersoll,the original motor was crap, I, just in case anyone hadn't noticed am a floor it until it breaks kinda guy...when the motor died I took it to an air compressor specialist, the new motor starts on a long lead if needed and has a high duty cycle,I haven't been able to break it yet.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on October 20, 2013, 07:56:04 AM
I haven't been able to break it yet.

G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on October 20, 2013, 10:47:44 AM

 I signed us up for a 33 gallon Craftsman air compressor.

12 years, and the Craftsman's never given me any grief . . .


Chris, got mine in 1974, only a 15 gallon 110v one, I've turned it up to 125 psi, but it really is convenient to have it when I need one on wheels.  Bought a stand up unit for the shop 6 years ago, hope it lasts as long.

James... keep trying... oh, nice blaster... I was trying to figure out how you would lose one. 
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on October 20, 2013, 03:10:49 PM
Aye,I have a no name made by Ingersoll,the original motor was crap, I, just in case anyone hadn't noticed am a floor it until it breaks kinda guy...when the motor died I took it to an air compressor specialist, the new motor starts on a long lead if needed and has a high duty cycle,I haven't been able to break it yet.

It's fifteen years old,has painted thirty cars and a few houses and many times I have used it to blow all the dust and grit in the shed up the Revetends nose,he likes that :evil:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on October 20, 2013, 11:29:21 PM
Just got some useful info.

When we ran at Gairdner this year we didn't get a full timeslip, just top speed. Due to the peculiarities of the new timing system, that's all it gave us. At the hot rod show the car was at a few weeks back Animal told me he had those numbers written down.......

On our fastest run

Mile one:    186.587
mile two:    215.041
mile three:  192.190

So, going on the fact that the revs for 215.041 with the 2.41 are the same as the 205 we ran with the 2.56:1 rear end we can assume that the car had started to rev limit by THE BEGINNING of the second mile,this is about the only data we have but it is very encouraging, it gives me confidence that the motor will pull the 2.28 as from what I see we were topping out somewhere before the three mile mark and that was starting in third gear at about 45mph.Next time we'll have a functioning first and second.

........ :evil:

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on October 21, 2013, 04:00:41 AM
Excellent news Dr G (thanks Animal), and proof that the shape hasn't let us down yet. But I reckon we must be getting to the pointy end of "trying to shove a chest of drawers up a frog's bum" and so am keen to get a bit of a tidyup on the final bodywork items that will be contributing to minor but now significant drag.


I am seeing the Dean next week so will argue that I need to be back in Oz to assist with these items at some stage so fingers crossed. It is rare that when you build something from scratch that you ever feel like it is remotely "finished" but if we get these items on track then it must be as close as dammit.

Rev H+
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on October 21, 2013, 05:28:36 AM
Just in case anyone was wondering about this statement...

So, going on the fact that the revs for 215.041 with the 2.41 are the same as the 205 we ran with the 2.56:1 rear end we can assume that the car had started to rev limit by THE BEGINNING of the second mile
 
We had already seen the car run 205.xxxmph which is in the region of 6316rpm, at full hook up 215 with the 2.41:1 is 6236....so, the car was rev limiting in the region of 6300rpm.Sooooooo it must have been going that quick at the start of mile two to have averaged that speed over the mile..................

yeah, anyway.... :roll:

Yes to all that Rev, sometime.....
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Jon on October 21, 2013, 07:26:58 AM
Good news on the rpm, more gears and more rpm for 2014, vellly intelesting.

I'll have a look on my work computer for dimensions on the foils and email them Dik.

The next step from the foils (or before if Goggs extracts his digit :0) would be to pull the steering tierods up so they're straight behind the front axle to put one fairing over the both rather than an axle to tube and a small one over the tie-rod.

And then: root fairings to blend the axle tube fairings into the body to cut down on interference drag from the joins.

And then: root fairings to blend the axle tube fairings into the rear wheel inner plates for same reason.

And then: redo the front axle stays so that they don't stick up and down from the axle tube.

And then: fairings over the front kingpins.


And then:.......... Will be slipperier than any body lifting air over the axle lines ;) You have a pretty slippery and small chest if draws, will need to be a damn slippery cupboard to have lower total drag...

I might go now.
jon
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on October 21, 2013, 08:29:45 AM
Just be careful to keep the axle to wheel fairings inboard of the narrowest inside wheel dimension.  :wink: I'm assuming you have the same streamlining rules as us. By the way, a lot of this stuff is on my list as well.  :cheers: Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on October 21, 2013, 11:26:13 AM
Jon and Wayno (forever),

Yep, Yep and Yep.

As a point of interest, how come moon disks aren't scuppered under aerodynamic body work?  Is it because moon disks are part of the wheel and hence not bodywork?

How do we define the "narrowest wheel dimension" exactly? I don't want to trip up here.

Is the spirit of the law nothing covering the external rotating wheel? What is the established build practice?

dik

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on October 21, 2013, 11:41:10 AM
Dik, for example if the front wheel inside dimension is narrower than the rear, the streamlining on the rear axle must be narrower than that front dimension. Regarding the Moon disks, I would think if they're attached to the wheel and spinning with it they are considered part of the wheel and not streamlining.  :cheers: Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: tauruck on October 21, 2013, 01:13:02 PM
What streamlining do you have on the inside of the wheel?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on October 22, 2013, 04:17:55 AM
What streamlining do you have on the inside of the wheel?

Just run a flat plate attached to the axle (axel for our US readers)

We don't have to move the tie rods up as Goggs will be moving the front axle down to deal with the new front tyres
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on October 22, 2013, 04:23:47 AM
What streamlining do you have on the inside of the wheel?

Just run a flat plate attached to the axle (axel for our US readers)

We don't have to move the tie rods up as Goggs will be moving the front axle down to deal with the new front tyres
G

Huh?....people read this in America?.... :roll:

Don't they have TV?

Answer is yes, and likely changing the ball joints to heims...and changing those little king-pin bearings too.......
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on October 22, 2013, 06:27:26 AM
What streamlining do you have on the inside of the wheel?

Just run a flat plate attached to the axle (axel for our US readers)

We don't have to move the tie rods up as Goggs will be moving the front axle down to deal with the new front tyres
G

Huh?....people read this in America?.... :roll:

Don't they have TV?

Answer is yes, and likely changing the ball joints to heims...and changing those little king-pin bearings too.......


oh and tyres, they are tires for our American readers
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on October 22, 2013, 07:59:31 AM
Grumm, they're axles here, too.  :cheers: Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Tman on October 22, 2013, 09:20:13 AM
Yup, axles. Axel was a Beverly Hills Cop.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: tauruck on October 22, 2013, 09:24:39 AM
Trent, they left out Aluminum and erbs.  :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on October 22, 2013, 10:15:19 AM
Axel Franzen was the old Norwegian gas station owner next to the restaurant my aunt and uncle used to run.  Axel worked on axles.
Title: Streamline issues
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on October 22, 2013, 12:16:53 PM
Hmmm... I believe we designed the front wheels to sit in line with the rear wheels so they were in the hole (read chaotic turbulent mess) that the first wheels made.

We did consider issues of salt being kicked up and hitting the rear wheels, stability issues such as wider track at front is more stable, and the like but ended up with a pretty straight front to back configuration.

Thanks Wayno for describing the rule as I was not aware of this little nugget and it would have been the convincer to make it happen the way we did... I think. Dr G can you check that the inner dimension of the front wheels are the same as the back? It may be slightly out due to wheel thickness and offset of rim.... Whatever it is it must be damn close and we don't want to break any rules now with these aero parts.

Dik
Title: Re: Streamline issues
Post by: Dr Goggles on October 22, 2013, 04:26:22 PM
Hmmm... I believe we designed the front wheels to sit in line with the rear wheels so they were in the hole (read chaotic turbulent mess) that the first wheels made.

We did consider issues of salt being kicked up and hitting the rear wheels, stability issues such as wider track at front is more stable, and the like but ended up with a pretty straight front to back configuration.

Thanks Wayno for describing the rule as I was not aware of this little nugget and it would have been the convincer to make it happen the way we did... I think. Dr G can you check that the inner dimension of the front wheels are the same as the back? It may be slightly out due to wheel thickness and offset of rim.... Whatever it is it must be Dodge close and we don't want to break any rules now with these aero parts.

Dik

don't you have a model in your computer you can measure...it's awful out there..

speaking of your CAD, how are those Limeys going with their Canberra?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on October 22, 2013, 04:34:46 PM
smoke?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on October 22, 2013, 04:55:18 PM
smoke?

No thanks, I've given up
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on October 22, 2013, 05:06:40 PM
First rule of architecture is to always site measure and don't rely on drawings so get that tape measure and brave the heat.

Those limeys wish to remain anonymous however one took a job in another part of the UK so it may have broken up the band. I'll send them an email and see.

d
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on October 22, 2013, 06:20:33 PM
Heat?

Not here...constant rain and that sort of wind that will blow it right up yer.......

cold too, and I have to go to work.

If they've broken up the band  :| get to work and buy that tank...........
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on October 22, 2013, 08:40:10 PM
Dik, please remember that this is my view only. You might want to ask a "grownup"  :-P Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on October 22, 2013, 09:00:04 PM
Dik, please remember that this is my view only. You might want to ask a "grownup"  :-P Wayno

I deal with "grownups" every day - I go to Bonneville to get away from them.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: salt27 on October 22, 2013, 09:49:02 PM
Dik, please remember that this is my view only. You might want to ask a "grownup"  :-P Wayno

I deal with "grownups" every day - I go to Bonneville to get away from them.

With that said will I see you at Speedweek next year?   :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: tauruck on October 23, 2013, 01:05:26 AM
We have a few Canberras here the Limeys haven't found but the scrap dealing thieves have!.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on October 23, 2013, 01:12:33 AM
what I'd do for another one.........
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on November 17, 2013, 11:46:41 AM
Way too quiet down there . . .

Whassup?  :?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on November 17, 2013, 12:36:40 PM
Well, after discussions with the Dean there is progress here in the UK. Definite keenness to assist with some tools here and the like so step one complete.

Step two is working out which software is best to design it in so it can be easily translated to the dynamic fluid analysis software that we wish to use (think virtual wind tunnel) and  we have done that. It will be Rhino (version 5) using a plug in called T-splines which will allow excellent 3D flowing design capabilities with very elegant editing capabilities. It makes digital models that can be easily exported into the software we wish to use for wind tunnelling the shape.

Step Three is learning this software which I started two weeks ago and am now understanding it well enough to start pushing out some shapes that I wish to pursue so that is happening too. See first test sketches based on our existing structure with a new simple skin below.

I am re-emersing myself now in aerodynamic literature as I have lost the edge I had a few years back when we were first designing the tank. Also there are a lot more opportunities on a new body to think about as we were working with an existing entity last time which already worked well in an aero sense and the main thing was to not stuff it up.

Below is a sketch I have done in the new software as if we were heading in the long tai, Le Mans Porsche direction (which I see a lot of potential with as per the Oldsmobile aero car) but am looking for something more radical and fun as I don't want to build what everyone has built before. I want to experiment and come up with a new car that uses the lessons of the past but also risks some on new ideas. To us that is what hot rodding is about. Not kit cars from speed shops. Playful smart ideas with existing technology. I am sure there will be bizarre errors (our first steering rack on the tank turned left when we turned the steering wheel right!), but we learn more from our mistakes than our successes so I am not worried about that. What I am worried about is something like  Mark Webber's flip on his Le Mans Mercedes and so need to get the safe bit right. We will still be designing with our design mantra, FSB: Fast Safe Beautiful.

I know the trend lately is to be ever more narrow and longer darts but we will not be doing that as we are using the belly tank as a base (like So-Cal did) and I don't want to spoil our current car; I want to keep and race both. With that in mind there are certain disadvantages in having a shorter wider car, but I believe there are certain advantages too which revolve around ground effects. I'll test my ideas under for a while and will start publishing results when we get some good ones for discussion.

I hope that we will get the same level of advice from the streamliner crew as we have had from others in the past as it is a new game we are joining with new rules.

End of update, about to make dinner and watch the US Grand Prix. Last two races for Webber, unluckiest guy in racing.

Reverend H+
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Tman on November 17, 2013, 01:19:46 PM
Pretty sexy.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on November 17, 2013, 01:42:29 PM
Thanks T-man.

Early days yet, I think when the maths kicks in it will look even sexier, like a yacht sailing close to the wind.

d
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on November 17, 2013, 02:13:21 PM
make sure you point the winged keel up instead of down :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on November 17, 2013, 02:20:30 PM
make sure you point the winged keel up instead of down :-D

Heh heh heh... Australian technology at its best.

Actually looking at keels or tails in this case, I am considering putting one on given that was the addition that Donald Campbell gave to Bluebird after fracturing his skull in the US prior to coming down under. Also Bloodhound has expanded its one. If the big boys are with their big dollar tests it would make some kind of sense to expect we will need to too.

d
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: wobblywalrus on November 17, 2013, 02:21:02 PM
That shape looks a bit like the famous SoCal streamliner.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on November 17, 2013, 02:55:44 PM
That shape looks a bit like the famous SoCal streamliner.

(http://i361.photobucket.com/albums/oo58/milwaukeemidget/knudsen%20pics/socal_zps816fa10f.jpg) (http://s361.photobucket.com/user/milwaukeemidget/media/knudsen%20pics/socal_zps816fa10f.jpg.html)

Which bears a resemblance to . . .

(http://i361.photobucket.com/albums/oo58/milwaukeemidget/knudsen%20pics/1952_bonneville_-_goldie_gardn_zps1fac5463.jpg) (http://s361.photobucket.com/user/milwaukeemidget/media/knudsen%20pics/1952_bonneville_-_goldie_gardn_zps1fac5463.jpg.html)

You're not in uncharted territory - turning existing open wheel LSR cars into streamliners - but you do have an incredible advantage being able to model the drawings before you start stuffing panels into the autoclave.

Rev - are you crossing the ocean this summer?

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SaltPeter on November 17, 2013, 04:56:37 PM
Hi Rev

That is looking like another stylish bit of Body Work to complement the Belly Tanker.  8-)

It will be very interesting to see what the CFD data looks like with the wide sloping front.

Great methodical work as ever  :cheers:

Pete
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Tman on November 17, 2013, 05:17:08 PM
There is a lot to be learned from the Olds Aero car. didn't the Arivett brothers work on that one?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on November 17, 2013, 05:28:54 PM
There is a lot to be learned from the Olds Aero car. didn't the Arivett brothers work on that one?
My understanding it was Ed Wellburn from GM who styled it. Awesome looking thing and I agree there is a lot to be learnt from it although we'll be going for enclosed wheels. GM originally wanted to do that but were apparently worried about tyre degradation due to temperature so they left the sides open but they were running for a lot longer times than we are.

As for crossing the ocean, Speedweek Australia is smack in the middle of term and it will be a big ask to leave my uni students in the lurch for a couple of weeks mid semester. I am not sure why it doesn't sit on Easter as it usually does as Easter is very late this year in the UK.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Jon on November 22, 2013, 04:35:37 AM
Great render Dik

What is % increase in wetted area compared to your current configuration?

What is the floor pan area and how far off the salt is it?
Is the floor flat or ground effects tunnels under the axles?

Just curious
Jon
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: wobblywalrus on November 22, 2013, 08:16:54 PM
Pictures of the belly tank in that little garage show that one has to step over the axles to get around.  You guys can't do this with a full bodied car.  Will a garage side extension be part of the project?   
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on November 27, 2013, 04:03:39 AM
Well it's not Bellytank  but my trailer (41 Chevy) is coming along
(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc28/grumm441/DSC_0118_zps6079b839.jpg)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: tauruck on November 27, 2013, 11:55:28 AM
I wish I hadn't seen that. :evil:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Geo on November 27, 2013, 12:40:48 PM
Nice job changing the trailer into a 41 Chevy!  Coming along nicely.  :evil:

Geo
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: gkabbt on November 27, 2013, 12:47:43 PM
Rev,

As Jon stated above, REALLY good looking rendering.
It kind of reminded me of an AMT Model I put together back in the early 60's.....DAMN where has the time gone?   :?  :-D
I don't know why but I still have that model 50 years later! It took some digging but I finally found it.
To me, even though it's a 50 year old design, I still think it's pretty COOL!

(http://i947.photobucket.com/albums/ad318/GKABBT/AMT%20Streamliner%20Go%20Kart/GK2_zps10cc3fa1.jpg)

Here is the link to my Photobucket album that has a bunch more pics of mine and others I found on the net:

http://s947.photobucket.com/user/GKABBT/library/AMT%20Streamliner%20Go%20Kart

Hope you enjoy,
Gregg 
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on November 27, 2013, 02:29:54 PM
That eliminator looks pretty spot on except for the exhaust
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on December 03, 2013, 05:07:10 AM
Pictures of the belly tank in that little garage show that one has to step over the axles to get around.  You guys can't do this with a full bodied car.  Will a garage side extension be part of the project?   

It ain't quite that small Wobbler.

I went for a walk tonight ,past the "Anglican" church in Sydney rd,there was a Thruxton parked on the forecourt, it made me think, do Lutherans ride Beemers?....
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on December 03, 2013, 06:13:03 AM
Nope
Germans ride bimmers
Boom pang footsie
and it is that small, I'm on a diet so I can get in the garage with it
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on December 03, 2013, 08:14:23 AM
I was wondering what was going on---I figured you guys were in a serious thrash to find the lost revs.  :roll:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: tauruck on December 03, 2013, 08:59:09 AM
I think they're watching Cricket. :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on December 03, 2013, 10:13:16 AM
I went for a walk tonight ,past the "Anglican" church in Sydney rd,there was a Thruxton parked on the forecourt, it made me think, do Lutherans ride Beemers?....

It's hardly an issue - by 4:00 in the afternoon on a Sunday, they're all parked in front of the same tavern.

Lutherans are hard to draw overarching conclusions about.  There are Synod specific and regional anomalies, many of which stand in sharp relief to the whisper quiet conformity of Goldwing riding Methodists. 

 :wink:

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Tman on December 03, 2013, 12:36:18 PM
Pictures of the belly tank in that little garage show that one has to step over the axles to get around.  You guys can't do this with a full bodied car.  Will a garage side extension be part of the project?   

It ain't quite that small Wobbler.

I went for a walk tonight ,past the "Anglican" church in Sydney rd,there was a Thruxton parked on the forecourt, it made me think, do Lutherans ride Beemers?....

John Deere's mostly, some Case's
Title: Re: Australian Trailer
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on December 04, 2013, 09:39:13 AM
Don't want to come across as an alarmist, but we're 87 days out from Speedweek at Gairdner, and it appears as though Grummy's trailer isn't going to be ready.
(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc28/grumm441/DSC_0118_zps6079b839.jpg)

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on December 04, 2013, 09:00:42 PM
I wish I hadn't seen that. :evil:

You been speaking to Corinne?

I would probably be making more progress if it wasn't summer here. Summer in Melbourne?
The open air shed means I have to put everything away when the weather changes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9sem05RHnM
Could be about Melbourne
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: tauruck on December 06, 2013, 03:09:10 AM
Same here, iffy weather.

She said you have too many projects for her liking. :-D :-D :-D

I had a 68 Mustang sans a motor and it was in the gardener's way when he wanted to mow the lawn so I got hassled and hassled until I sold it.
It wasn't a request if you get my meaning. :evil:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on December 07, 2013, 02:33:42 AM
Got started properly today. Attacked the cracked bodywork and got the worstbit on the tub and tail straightened and welded, every time I look at it I  see a new injury... Then the Colonel turned up and we got started on the front of the car, the nose is off,the canopy and the front axle,tierods and steering box. We need to drop the front axle somewhere between a half and an inch for the new tires. I found a dollar fifty in the front tub,that will be a significant contribution to the race budget :-D

More tomorrow,it's good to be back on it.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: tauruck on December 07, 2013, 04:24:14 AM
That's really funny.

We're always putting money into race cars. More than a buck fifty. :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on December 07, 2013, 06:54:25 AM
Dr. G  good to know you are back at it---hmmm  baby must have so new smaller frt shoes  :-)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on December 08, 2013, 01:08:27 AM
I found a dollar fifty in the front tub,that will be a significant contribution to the race budget :-D


We also found the missing big red key
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on December 09, 2013, 07:48:04 PM
I got the 25 inch landspeeds fitted to our front wheels. They were lent to us by Greg Watters( Maj) which is much appreciated as we were running out of money for gambling and booze and having someone provide expensive items such as these will allow us to continue to live a lifestyle to which we had become accustomed.

As usual with landspeed tyres the guys at the tyre place were all freaking out...."they've got CRACKS IN THEM"

"SEVENTY POUNDS???????? I'M NOT SURE I WANNA PUT SEVENTY POUNDS IN THEM"

"WHERE DID YOU FIND TYRES THIS OLD???????"


It turns out the date stamp on one of the tyres was 2284....Yeah, June 1984!

So I get them home and measure them, 638mm as opposed to the front runners we had at 664mm, so I need to drop the front end 13mm.

End of transmission.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Sumner on December 09, 2013, 07:57:54 PM
...It turns out the date stamp on one of the tyres was 2284...So I get them home and measure them, 638mm ...

Interesting, according to Goodyear's site....

http://www.racegoodyear.com/tires/pdf/Dirt_web_2013R3.pdf (http://www.racegoodyear.com/tires/pdf/Dirt_web_2013R3.pdf)

.... they should be 24.8 inches or 630 mm if you speak metric  8-).   Maybe the 630 came out 638 for your tires since the booze fund wasn't empty  :evil:.

My old 2030's, no longer available, have 26 inches on the sidewall but measure about 24.75.  I'm wondering if the old 2030's are now just called the 2284's?

Ok go back to the booze and gambling and I enjoyed the B'ville youtube video I found the other day with you in it,

Sum
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: tauruck on December 09, 2013, 08:55:46 PM
Burt's tyres had cracks and he went close to 200.

Use them. 84 was a good year. :-D :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Kiwi Paul on December 09, 2013, 11:20:56 PM
Yes, it certainly was. My first trip to Bonneville that year. Changed the direction of my life Instantly...
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on December 09, 2013, 11:54:52 PM
Makes sense Sum. 70psi minimum I see. Paul, it's changed us all.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on December 10, 2013, 09:38:09 AM
I got the 25 inch landspeeds fitted to our front wheels. .....
"WHERE DID YOU FIND TYRES THIS OLD???????"


It turns out the date stamp on one of the tyres was 2284....Yeah, June 1984!

So I get them home and measure them, 638mm as opposed to the front runners we had at 664mm, so I need to drop the front end 13mm.

End of transmission.

http://www.nwr4racing.com/goodyear-drag-racing-tires/landspeed/hard-2284-250-x-45-15

don't think that's the date stamp.... I doubt LSR tires require a date stamp but I will look at mine sometime to check... 2284, tire type
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on December 10, 2013, 09:35:12 PM
Hey....
Where did my stars go?
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on December 10, 2013, 09:47:03 PM
Have Googs smack you with a 2x4.... your stars will appear




or read some of the other threads  :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: tauruck on December 10, 2013, 10:01:16 PM
 :-D :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on December 11, 2013, 04:14:11 PM
That explains why you still have stars
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: maj on December 11, 2013, 07:44:58 PM
Dr G
when you said they were 1984 vintage i thought wow, long time between production runs , and they were brought from very different sources
one from Jegs and one (that i would believe was old ) from North terrace tires
penny drops now ...2284 is the size code

Did they get the direction right ?

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stan Back on December 11, 2013, 07:48:22 PM
Remember to switch the directions south of the equator.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on December 11, 2013, 08:56:09 PM
oh %^@#$@#%$&%@ :x

I forgot, I guess there are 4 possible outcomes.

both correct, either of two incorrect, both incorrect.

I'll pay three to one that they are both wrong, anyone wanna bet?

How much does it matter when they are non-powered?
I got the 25 inch landspeeds fitted to our front wheels. .....
"WHERE DID YOU FIND TYRES THIS OLD???????"


It turns out the date stamp on one of the tyres was 2284....Yeah, June 1984!

So I get them home and measure them, 638mm as opposed to the front runners we had at 664mm, so I need to drop the front end 13mm.

End of transmission.

http://www.nwr4racing.com/goodyear-drag-racing-tires/landspeed/hard-2284-250-x-45-15

don't think that's the date stamp.... I doubt LSR tires require a date stamp but I will look at mine sometime to check... 2284, tire type

Yeah , implied in my answer Bob, now at least if I have to go back I can show them the spec sheet....and the bit where it says "70psi minimum"


In other news they may not even be necessary, If the in-fighting at the DLRA keeps up we may not even have a meet.

I am known for spouting one of my favorite idioms from my time playing in bands. In a band there is plenty of time to cook up conflict unrelated to the music, my favorite answer to everything was "shut up and play yer guitar" it pertains to people sticking to what they're good at, and minding their own business. It seems that with one salt meet a year too many people have too much time to let their little brains rattle around inside their heads and get all confused about what is important.

There is another adage.

The box full of stuff on the top shelf.

Sometimes it is better to just leave that box up there, it is usually heavy, overfull and if you haven't needed anything out of it for a while then best to leave it unperturbed. The alternative is to try and move it, spill it everywhere as it falls all around you and breaks everything in it, and lots of stuff under it.........The only thing that confirms is?.....Is what you don't have anymore. :roll:

As you were .
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on December 11, 2013, 08:57:13 PM
That explains why you still have stars
G

ah gold!
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on December 11, 2013, 09:24:19 PM
That explains why you still have stars
G

ah gold!

Yep, that one

It's not a date code, there is normally no date code on those things, it's a production code so you know what tyre it is.

Have Googs smack you with a 2x4.... your stars will appear




or read some of the other threads  :cheers:

In Australia it's a 90 x 45

G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: salt27 on December 11, 2013, 10:47:31 PM
That explains why you still have stars
G

ah gold!

Looks yellowish to me.   :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Jon on December 12, 2013, 01:58:49 AM
I'll pay three to one that they are both wrong, anyone wanna bet?

As you were .

I'll put $100 on that thanks, impossible for them both to be wrong, they need to be mounted opposite to each other, if they both look wrong you got them on the wrong side of the car :p

Bit like the Irish builders.

As you were.......
jon
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on December 12, 2013, 06:32:32 AM
To be sure Seamus,did you not consider we have a right and left front wheel?........we owe ya three hundred bucks anyways.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Ron Gibson on December 12, 2013, 09:50:01 AM
Just curious, how or why, do you have a RIGHT and LEFT wheel?????? Inquiring minds want to know. :-D Color me stupid.

Ron
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Geo on December 12, 2013, 11:13:05 AM
It's part of the British influence placed in the culture years ago.

Near Side and Off Side so you can tell which side of the car you are working on.   :evil:

Geo
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Jon on December 12, 2013, 01:18:28 PM
To be sure Seamus,did you not consider we have a right and left front wheel

I did consider that; else your car would fall over.....or at least be a trike.

They recon us Queenslanders are steady.

don'chuworryboutdat.....
jon
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on December 12, 2013, 03:14:05 PM
Just curious, how or why, do you have a RIGHT and LEFT wheel?????? Inquiring minds want to know. :-D Color me stupid.

Ron

It's to do with chirality, we have left and right handed air.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Sumner on December 12, 2013, 06:33:50 PM
Just curious, how or why, do you have a RIGHT and LEFT wheel?????? Inquiring minds want to know. :-D Color me stupid.

Ron

Ron, Goodyear wants you to mount the tires on the wheels in a particular direction based on the which side they are on.  

It is explained down the page past the pictures of the tires here ..

http://purplesagetradingpost.com/sumner/bvillecar/construction%20page-11.html

...and I'm sure you can find other references also,

Sum
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on December 13, 2013, 02:40:09 PM
Ah,that was great, seems I collect. They're both right,well one's right and the other is left,if you follow. Shame is now I don't have an excuse to go back to the tyre place.....
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on December 15, 2013, 07:25:17 PM
Got the front axle on again. New height is 12mm lower than the old, estimated difference in ride height is 1mm lower.

Now I have to notch the radius rods so I can hide the tie rods behind the axle.
Title: Tailfin and streamliner update
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on December 18, 2013, 07:40:35 AM
Good work Sunshine team, any photos of the new work?

I have finally finished a very hectic semester and can start to think about the car design again even for a moment.

Today I want to talk Tailfins and please everybody throw in their three pence worth or correct any glaring or minor errors.

The purpose of a tailfin is to keep the centre of pressure behind the centre of gravity so that it keeps the car in a straight line, just like a dart. Throw a dart backwards and it will turn around and end up forwards. Probably the best example of a late addition of a tailfin was on Donald Campbell's Bluebird after it crashed at Bonneville and ready for its run in Australia. (I am currently reading Gina Campbell's biography which highlights just how strange a family they were, and she suggests she thinks he crashed due to driver error and not undue instability.)

As readers will be aware we design under the mantra of Fast Safe Beautiful and so I am looking for a design of the tailfin that will be all three and for various reasons I have been attracted to angled tailfins such as in the Alfa Bat and the Joint Strike Force Fighter (see images below) as cool looking twin tailfins.

They fit the bill of interesting to look at (beautiful though?) but more importantly I wonder if they are appropriate for LSR. My reckoning is this: If they are on an angle of anything other than vertical they run the risk of causing lift which is an absolute no-no. If the car's nose were to lift and the tailfin were angled like the fighter then it would be an angled plane wanting to lift up it would seem. It sort of depends what angle the air is travelling at as there is a car body in the way and it gets more complicated in that if it is trying to lift the rear end up maybe it is doing so by trying to turn the nose back down and so maybe a help in this situation...?

Does anyone have any thoughts/experience on this? I am thinking of modelling this to see what the computer says as its answer so will be interesting to see.

I am also wondering if it is advantageous to have two tailfins or better to have a single central one. One seems economic but there will possibly be helpful properties on the rear diffuser with two in helping to draw out hte air in a controlled manner and then connecting it with the air on the side.

Dik


Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: tauruck on December 18, 2013, 08:16:04 AM
Naca0006 profile is the best for the application.

It's symmetrical which is what you need. :wink:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Ron Gibson on December 18, 2013, 10:22:35 AM
Sum
I know about the tire directional mounting, my Dunlops are that way. I was asking about right and left "wheels". :-)

Ron
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on December 18, 2013, 11:52:09 AM
Well, hmmm . . .  MG Anecdotes?

The MG EX 181 ran a tail fin in 1957, but Sterling Moss complained of cross winds.

When they came back in 1959, the fin was gone, and Phil Hill ran faster, but there were other improvements to the car.

Unofficially, Hill was on the team in 1957, and drove the car faster than Moss, but they wanted Moss for the press value.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on December 19, 2013, 01:01:29 AM
That airplane has 2 tails so the computer can steer their rudders independently to make it turn faster.  You do not want to turn faster...

single symmetrical and straight
Title: Tail Fin
Post by: gidge348 on December 19, 2013, 07:14:45 PM
I think a single tail fin the same height as the canopy and angling off at the rear kind of like the ones on F1 air boxes but extended would suit the car.

One thing to bear in mind is that if it is "too tall" and you have a cross wind, this will have a "toppling over" effect by shifting weight from one side of the car to the other.

I feel 2 fins would just add drag and look "tacked on" any way that's my threepence worth...

You may want to make it a bolt/dzus on item in case you want to take it off?

Ian...
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on December 20, 2013, 06:12:59 AM
I should clarify that I am talking about the streamliner body for those that missed it...

Good thoughts about the tail, keep them coming and I'll have some images for discussion shortly.

Dik
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Jon on December 20, 2013, 12:43:57 PM
Bit of a conundrum the tail.
One will let you attach it to main frame so that any energy it develops goes to the frame rather than the body.
One will also force you to redo your chute system.

If you add tail/s I'd be tempted to add two running back from the rear wheel bulges for a few reasons.
Main one is to help stop the rear of the car wanting to create lift if it gets crossed up.
Second is so you don't have to redo the chutes.
Third is I think you'll get more correction by adding surface area to the relatively slab sides than a single tail sitting on a sheltered section of the car.

Just my opinion
jon
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on December 21, 2013, 04:29:50 PM
Sum
I know about the tire directional mounting, my Dunlops are that way. I was asking about right and left "wheels". :-)

Ron

Ron,it was about offering an enticing bet.....heads I win,tails you lose......
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SaltPeter on December 21, 2013, 05:17:20 PM
Doc and Rev

Thinking out loud here... :?

Given Sunshine is Aero rather than Power dependent to get the speeds it does, and therefore Drag will have a proportionally greater effect.

Does the new body style actually need a Tail for Stability, at the speed you're working towards? or will it add more Drag?

Does adding weight assist stability or just Traction or is more power needed to get gains here?

I don't know the answers but they are the questions that come to mind, as my Bike is also Aero rather than power dependent for max speed.

Pete  :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on December 22, 2013, 04:46:53 AM
Doc and Rev

Thinking out loud here... :?

Given Sunshine is Aero rather than Power dependent to get the speeds it does, and therefore Drag will have a proportionally greater effect.

Does the new body style actually need a Tail for Stability, at the speed you're working towards? or will it add more Drag?

Does adding weight assist stability or just Traction or is more power needed to get gains here?

I don't know the answers but they are the questions that come to mind, as my Bike is also Aero rather than power dependent for max speed.

Pete  :cheers:

Some good questions here, thanks Pete.

The tail is primarily for safety and not for speed although remaining stable for longer will mean being able to go faster. If there is some penalty for it and I presume there is then the payoff of safety should be worth it. Is it worthwhile for the speed that we wish to go? Well the streamliner records are typically faster than the bellytank ones so we will be targeting faster speeds (I don't want to intentionally design something that cannot achieve the record speed safely).

Adding more weight does affect traction positively but it also affects the centre of gravity. Again like a dart having the weiht up the front is best for stability but given we are rear whell drive the weight would be better at the back for improving traction so it is not a simple solution. Putting more weight over the rear wheels will increases the requirement for a tail behind the rear wheels.

Dik
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on December 22, 2013, 04:55:57 AM
Bit of a conundrum the tail.
One will let you attach it to main frame so that any energy it develops goes to the frame rather than the body.
One will also force you to redo your chute system.

If you add tail/s I'd be tempted to add two running back from the rear wheel bulges for a few reasons.
Main one is to help stop the rear of the car wanting to create lift if it gets crossed up.
Second is so you don't have to redo the chutes.
Third is I think you'll get more correction by adding surface area to the relatively slab sides than a single tail sitting on a sheltered section of the car.

Just my opinion
jon

Thanks Jon, I hadn't though about the chute... I shall consider accordingly.
Your thoughts about structure make sense too as there would be a lot of force on it when sideways and it needs to remain on to work and turn the car not just the body if it is to do its job.

I am still intrigued by the double fin behind the wheels as you say. If it is built out of carbon fibre we should be able to cater for the load. Having played with the carbon fibre A piller of the Aston Martin Vantage I am left in no doubt about the strength of the stuff, it will be about transmitting the force appropriately to the chassis which will be a line of force exercise.

Dik
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Sumner on December 22, 2013, 09:33:48 AM
....I am still intrigued by the double fin behind the wheels as you say....

The only advantage I'd see with two vertical stabilizers would be if there was a wing between them for your added downforce.  Otherwise there is more aero penalty to be accrued with no real gain in center of pressure with two over one.  A vertical stabilizer is going to have more effect on CP than a canted one.  Then again you would need two along with their added drag.  Saying that properly designed verticals and a wing for downforce don't necessarily need to add a lot of drag.  They both can have Cd's down under .1 and very little frontal area.

On Hooley's Stude we have added no weight behind the axle and considerable weight ahead of it but then also more weight further ahead to keep the CG forward.  So you end up with a lot of weight that is doing nothing for traction but still needed for safety.

I guess I missed it but are you converting the tank to a streamliner or is this a whole new car?  Also you coming this way at all?  We'd love to see you.  Ruth said to say hi to you guys, me to  :-),

Sum

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Rex Schimmer on December 22, 2013, 02:26:18 PM
Looking at your concept drawings of the conversion to a streamliner reminded me of Bob Herda's liner from the 60-70's, and it has a tail fin! Bob ran as high as the 340 mph range before his tragic death. Another thought would be doing something like the Frank Lockhart car which is really just a lakester with wheel covers. This car was calculated to be able to go over 300 with the supercharged V16 Miller engine it had. Tires were the problem and what eventually caused the accident that killed Lockhart. One of the things that probably would need to not be copied from the Lockhart car would be the front wheel covers turned with the wheels, I would think this could be a problem over 200. Probably best to make them wide enough to be able to turn the front wheels inside them. Just some thoughts. Pics attached.

BTW if you want to see lots of pics of streamliners go to: https://www.google.com/search?q=bonneville+streamliner&rlz=1C1GGGE_enUS387US391&espv=210&es_sm=122&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=HDa3UqXmCdLzoATy14CwCg&ved

Lots of neat pics of many liners new and old and lots of insperation.

Rex
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on December 23, 2013, 06:52:37 AM
....I am still intrigued by the double fin behind the wheels as you say....

The only advantage I'd see with two vertical stabilizers would be if there was a wing between them for your added downforce.  Otherwise there is more aero penalty to be accrued with no real gain in center of pressure with two over one.  A vertical stabilizer is going to have more effect on CP than a canted one.  Then again you would need two along with their added drag.  Saying that properly designed verticals and a wing for downforce don't necessarily need to add a lot of drag.  They both can have Cd's down under .1 and very little frontal area.

On Hooley's Stude we have added no weight behind the axle and considerable weight ahead of it but then also more weight further ahead to keep the CG forward.  So you end up with a lot of weight that is doing nothing for traction but still needed for safety.

I guess I missed it but are you converting the tank to a streamliner or is this a whole new car?  Also you coming this way at all?  We'd love to see you.  Ruth said to say hi to you guys, me to  :-),

Sum



Hey Sum great to hear from you, its been a while.

The idea is simply a different body to the car so we can be in streamline class. We will still run both bodies and improve both as we go.
the issue for me is I am out of the game a bit, firstly living in the UK means I cannot do the weekend assists on the build and as it is mostly mechanical that is Dr G and the Colonel's forte not mine. So I want something new to design and play with!  I expect it to take awhile to get right but if you keep chipping away and surround yourself with smart people and ask a lot of questions (hence here) we should see progress and one day hopefully have something on the car.

Your comments as always are spot on. You might be back on the scene but certainly not slow! I am very keen to use an under body ground effects system with a diffuser at the back to assist it in downforce for minimum drag. This is where two tailfins can help create the endplates to help pull air out of the tunnels under the car increasing the air speed and hence lowering its pressure (benouli effect). This is my favourite sort of design where everything is working holistically to create one great solution but I need to know the pros and cons of each element to see how best they go together to cancel each others cons and promote the pros.

Why use ground effects? Well the trend for streamliners has been to be narrower and more dart like. We don't have this option as we will be using the existing setup but that means we have both pros and cons. The cons are wider frontal area but one pro is that that gives us space to use ground effects tunnels either side of the car which can give us more downforce for cheap if designed correctly (and admittedly this is a big if). I have a design hunch that the simple solution of a dart is not necessarily the fastest solution for a wheel driven car. It's fine for a rocket, Bloodhound SSC, Aussie invader etc, but they want to be as neutral as possible. Wheel driven cars need to get that power to the ground and the options are weight or aero downforce. Weight is part of the solution but there is a limit, for example, you still need to be able to get up to speed in the 7 miles and if you are two heavy for your power that is simply not going to happen in that distance. Being lighter means you can accelerate quicker (if you can get the power to the ground) which means you should be able to go faster over a given distance given the right circumstances. What I am trying to figure out is what those circumstances are and design our car for that gap in the market!

Hopefully will be visiting this September Sum! Would you believe that Alice, our daughter who Amber was pregnant with when we visited you, is now in primary school???!!! It's been way too long. Please say hi to Ruth too, I still can taste in my mind her delicious dish she cooked for us.

Dik




Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on December 23, 2013, 07:46:13 AM
Looking at your concept drawings of the conversion to a streamliner reminded me of Bob Herda's liner from the 60-70's, and it has a tail fin! Bob ran as high as the 340 mph range before his tragic death. Another thought would be doing something like the Frank Lockhart car which is really just a lakester with wheel covers. This car was calculated to be able to go over 300 with the supercharged V16 Miller engine it had. Tires were the problem and what eventually caused the accident that killed Lockhart. One of the things that probably would need to not be copied from the Lockhart car would be the front wheel covers turned with the wheels, I would think this could be a problem over 200. Probably best to make them wide enough to be able to turn the front wheels inside them. Just some thoughts.

Rex

Thanks Rex, yes it looks a lot like it but I hope it doesn't end up looking like it as I want to design something new! Some excellent looking form making going on in that selection though but it is hard to see some of the science and whether it works.

What our design has slowly evolved into now though is closer to the Beast III. This was designed by a very clever aero guy Rod Schapel for Chet Herbert. What a great looking car and apparently very stable too so very happy to have found this even though I actually arrived at this look from a different angle. They extensively wind tunnel tested models so some good science in there too so that gives confidence.

The reason for the change in ours at the moment is I have been thinking about the salt leaving the tyres of the car and its impact on the car itself. Depending how wet the surface there is there can be quite a rate of projectile of salt giving the rooster tail behind that we know and love. But this salt is exiting the tyre at quite a speed backwards relative to the car and so if it is hitting the inside of the car's body then it is transmitting its energy to the car and slowing it down. This might not seem like much but if you have seen how much damage a sand gun can do then that is only the start. At travelling over 300kph the sand has a kinetic energy of 1/2mv2 (m in kg, v in ms-1). If a grain of sand weighs about 0.0026g then the grain has a kinetic energy of 117kj hitting the body of the car in the wrong direction and given how many grains will be hitting the body from four wheels that quickly adds up! Given its a square law the faster you go the more significant it is like aero.

So I have been looking at sculpting the rear section behind the wheels out in a smooth way has led back towards the twin teardrop shape of the Beast III!

Every little bit counts and close enough is simply not good enough in LSR so trying to cover the small and the bi ticket items, also I am looking for those rational design devices that lead to a new concept and who knows where it might come from?

Dik
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: superleggera on December 23, 2013, 01:43:30 PM
Question: does your proposed new design taper in width from front to rear -- or fixed width?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SaltPeter on December 23, 2013, 06:42:22 PM
I know Land Speed designs usually require very different to other forms of motorsport,

however in this case would Le Mans Prototype designs be worth a look, especially LMP2 Class Cars Underbody and Rear Diffusers?

Some basic info http://www.symscape.com/blog/secrets_of_diffusers

Pete 

And Merry Christmas to all :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: tauruck on December 24, 2013, 01:45:29 AM
Here's what I came up with/found by accident. :-D

Maybe a similar version and using the bits that work for you?.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on December 24, 2013, 04:47:59 AM
Question: does your proposed new design taper in width from front to rear -- or fixed width?


Our existing wheels run behind each other at a normal axle width. The front wheels will need to be able to turn which is something to behold when they have 30 degrees angle and castor, they sort of flop over left and right rather than turn like a normal car. Although we need minimum turn for racing we still need useful turn for getting around the pits etc so it will be designed for maximum lock.

With this in mind the width of the car is heading toward being wider at the front than the rear to allow for this movement of the front wheels which ties in with the most aero shape being a teardrop with the widest point about a third down the chord. So to answer your question I am trying to grow and then taper the plan of the car in a way that best opens and closes the air which will be some soft curves.  This will be tested in our software.

Reverend H+
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on December 24, 2013, 04:56:03 AM
I know Land Speed designs usually require very different to other forms of motorsport,

however in this case would Le Mans Prototype designs be worth a look, especially LMP2 Class Cars Underbody and Rear Diffusers?

Some basic info http://www.symscape.com/blog/secrets_of_diffusers

Pete 

And Merry Christmas to all :cheers:

Exactly! Not only different requirements but LSR has different rules which allow what is not allowed on track cars. Skirts were banned on formula 1 because they cornering became dangerous when they failed but that is not an issue for LSR. Also the rules of track racing dictate how high, wide, long etc each element can be yet in Special Construction we don't have such limitations so go for it is what I say. (remembering safety though).

The prototype designs of Le Mans are good fodder to investigate I agree and as mentioned before I do love the long tails.
Thanks for the link.

Dik
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on December 24, 2013, 05:01:46 AM
Here's what I came up with/found by accident. :-D

Maybe a similar version and using the bits that work for you?.

Yeah this is one of the big aero newbies and seems to be doing the job. Good thinking outside the square in this one. I guess we could make an alternated front axle pretty easily and change the track width so it is not out of the question this approach. One alarm bell in my head is narrowing the width reduces the straight line stability as the driving wheels are outside the steering wheels whereas ideally you'd have the steering wheels outside the driving wheels.

Must be hard racing with those rear wheels, like trying to pass a car towing a wide trailer! At least other open wheelers have the front wheels to line up the gap.

D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on December 25, 2013, 06:20:36 AM
Happy Christmas everyone from the Spirit of Sunshine Landspeed Laboratory,Possum Park and Idiot Wonderland, and I mean everyone.

I dont care who you vote for, worship or play for, what you ride, run or wreck, take a day off and have yourself a great day, make some people happy and enjoy yourself.

Cheers, :cheers:

James "Dr Goggles" Stewart
DLRA #374
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on December 25, 2013, 07:12:51 AM
Happy Christmas everyone from the Spirit of Sunshine Landspeed Laboratory,Possum Park and Idiot Wonderland, and I mean everyone.

I dont care who you vote for, worship or play for, what you ride, run or wreck, take a day off and have yourself a great day, make some people happy and enjoy yourself.

Cheers, :cheers:

James "Dr Goggles" Stewart
DLRA #374


yep
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on December 25, 2013, 08:40:34 AM
Well said SIRS    :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on December 25, 2013, 08:46:16 AM
Why would you have 30 degs of castor in a liner?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on December 25, 2013, 11:51:25 AM
They don't, they have 30 degrees in a lakester... they are looking to re-body to a liner.... maybe....
Depends on which wild hair is controlling the brains of the participants at the time....  :roll:
 :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Ron Gibson on December 25, 2013, 12:19:35 PM
Why would you have 30 degrees caster in a lakester?????

Ron
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stan Back on December 25, 2013, 12:56:27 PM
Maybe those are metric degrees.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on December 25, 2013, 12:58:04 PM
it does seem a little short.... the Bockscar had 36 before last year when we built a new one and went to 12 or so...
seemed to run straight most of the time... was a little hard to back up, the fronts wanted to flop
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on December 25, 2013, 05:03:59 PM
So you don't have to steer it?
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on December 26, 2013, 06:00:22 PM
When we were getting the axle made the builder suggested it, not having built one before we went with it,it hasn't given us any grief. Why would you have 36 degrees castor in a lakester?..
.....yeah, metric,crazy

http://www.zmescience.com/other/map-of-countries-officially-not-using-the-metric-system/
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on December 26, 2013, 11:09:49 PM
When we were getting the axle made the builder suggested it, not having built one before we went with it,it hasn't given us any grief. Why would you have 36 degrees castor in a lakester?..


Hey, our excuse as well.... 'cept we figured it worked for the old rails to help 'em go straight so that's the way we made it, I can say the car steers too easy with the reduced castor... been used to steering by just leaning on the hard spot... can't really do that now, there is not hard spot to take the wheels off of straight.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on December 27, 2013, 07:23:24 AM
When we were getting the axle made the builder suggested it, not having built one before we went with it,it hasn't given us any grief. Why would you have 36 degrees castor in a lakester?..
.....yeah, metric,crazy

http://www.zmescience.com/other/map-of-countries-officially-not-using-the-metric-system/


We also heard that others has cars with similar set ups but were getting a bit light at speed (I think this was a Hadfield crew member...) so this confirmed our resolve to go this way.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on December 27, 2013, 08:25:41 PM
When we were getting the axle made the builder suggested it, not having built one before we went with it,it hasn't given us any grief. Why would you have 36 degrees castor in a lakester?..
.....yeah, metric,crazy

http://www.zmescience.com/other/map-of-countries-officially-not-using-the-metric-system/


We also heard that others has cars with similar set ups but were getting a bit light at speed (I think this was a Hadfield crew member...) so this confirmed our resolve to go this way.

to reiterate.

Graham Robinson built our front axle , it is seamless 1/4 wall 1& 3/4inch , he has been a long time crew member on the John Lynch A/BFL hemi tank and has a long involvement in fuel dragsters. The Lynch tank has 23 degrees and as Robbo said is apparently a little light at 300mph.

Doubtless there are arguments that it is too much but to this point it has been great and i think that when I managed to get the car airborne and twist our steering box giving the car toe out in 2010 it may have kept the car manageable. Either way it's 30 degrees and as Stainless says it sort of gives the steering a "notch " on centre. To some that may sound like a recipe for disaster, however this car handles like no car I have driven, it feels like the biggest go-kart in the world, I have managed to get it tail out twice, both times when turning it at the end of our test track and that requires some effort, a very rapid jerk of the steering and a clutch sidestep, when I say "tail-out" I don't mean fish tail because neither time would it go past centre again, it just snaps back on course like it has fallen into a trench.....

Anyhow, speaking of the car I have to get out to the shed and work on it............
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Sumner on December 27, 2013, 10:08:59 PM
...The Lynch tank has 23 degrees and as Robbo said is apparently a little light at 300mph....

I'm wondering it that has anything at all due to castor?  I have a feeling that it is getting aero light.  I would think that with the steering centered and the car going straight the downforce on each front wheel would be the same regardless of castor.  

Now with a lot of castor when you start to turn the car tries to raise up on one wheel giving it more downforce but the other is getting lighter so there again I can't see the overall downforce on the front of the car being different.  The high castor does help to 'self-steer' since as you say there is a notch where the car hasn't started to raise on one wheel or the other and as soon as it does the weight wants to push the steering back neutral. 

I'd considered 30 deg and see nothing really wrong with it as long as you also follow the rule book if you go that route and it has for sure worked on fast cars, but so has way less.  I think I have mine set about 18 degrees about 2 degrees under where steering stops are required.

Dik hope you guys can get by and see us.  You say Sept., are you planing on going to WOS or WF at the end of the month?

Sum
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on December 28, 2013, 01:08:04 PM
I would bet BIG $ it has nothing to do with steering and all about LIFT

ask Joe Law  (recognized the problem & did something about it---before) and Seth Hammond---"The faster it goes the smoother it gets"  Tannis said after a 30? pass in the old car.

Check the history to see what happened to the old car..
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 04, 2014, 10:02:14 PM
 Busy day today, I'm going through the front end . Just popped the king-pins for a look see, no issues that I can detect, the bearings underneath them are clean and good, there was some concern they'd got wet and salty, nope, fine.Put the grease gun on them, oozed evenly...... Wheel bearings repacked. This year we will have the tie rod squarely behind the front axle, there is still some correspondance ongoing between me and the authorities about this, that being the case , no pics.

Yesterday I altered the steering column angle, rather than sweat over it I moved it to the point where the upper edge just reaches the sight line to the front of the car, last year I had miscalculated and it was a bit too low.

Next I am going to adjusty the canopy rearward by about 3/16ths, for some reason, at some time it went forward a tiny bit and I suspect is the reason for its reluctance to snap down now....

Last week I started on the nose repair,it was damaged in a trailering incident at the Chopped show, I welded in a patch in the centre where i had hurredly riveted a piece when we first finished the car too, looks better from the inside now.....

Not long to go.....


Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on January 04, 2014, 10:23:18 PM
If they have problems---show them mine we have nothing to obstruct the tie rod  :-o  lol
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on January 13, 2014, 09:30:09 PM

Not long to go.....


A little more than 6 weeks, according to my sundial.

Any word on the lakebed?

I think this year's DLRA Poster is brilliant . . . the perfect balance between levity and bravado.

http://www.dlra.org.au/




Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: maj on January 13, 2014, 09:55:08 PM
lots of sun for the dial
44c here at the moment , good drying weather
last thing i heard about conditions back near Xmas was dry surface in the morning but rising damp in the pm
as usual it will come down to summer storms just before or during the event that would cause the most problems
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 14, 2014, 12:38:11 AM
Have completed some changes to the front end, won't be publicising them due to some contentious issues. Have to enter tonight to avoid a late fee... I'm on it,I'm on it.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: wobblywalrus on January 15, 2014, 09:24:09 PM
Greg, those are Bakersfield temps.  Lay low and sleep for a few hours in midday.  Do your physical work in the very early AM of the evening.  Life needs to be rearranged when it gets hot like that.  Also, avoid any air conditioned places and drink hot coffee or tea if you are working out in the sun.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: maj on January 15, 2014, 11:21:55 PM
Not much happening in the middle of the day Bo, if Dr G's shed is as hot as mine its difficult just been there for long
trying to do some fibreglass work, but now its not curing, went just a little light on the catalyst as the previous batch just about beat me
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 16, 2014, 04:16:49 PM
Gee Bo, that's uncommon advice there.

This heat wave will kill a lot of people here in Melbourne and they wont be on the back of a donkey or in the shade of a boulder in the desert,they'll be hunkered in a hot flat,dehydrated and mad with the heat. The last one like this added 370 people to the usual number of deaths attended to by the ambulance service,it included people running,running?

I saw a hipster ,with beard, riding up a hill in Maribyrnong on Wednesday, it was 107 in the old money and he was pedalling like the hounds of hell were after him.

Take it easy when it's hot, avoid direct Sun,avoid diuretics, drink plenty of plain water maybe with electrolytes if you have been exerting yourself. Failing that stay inside and drink gin..........

Tank day tomorrow.....

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: tauruck on January 16, 2014, 04:26:34 PM
We got what you got!

I never took a pic but I will do so tomorrow.

I have a table with a glass top I use for making Carbon sheets.
I do the work and then put another glass plate over it.
I had it out in the sun to "Post Cure".
I put the pyrometer on it and it went to 80*C so I fried two eggs on it for the Jack Russels. :lol:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: maj on January 16, 2014, 05:35:01 PM
Bloody electrolites will kill you if thats all you drink, all previous generations survived fine with just water , why all of a sudden do we HAVE to drink electrolite
Country fire authority supply us with both water and electrolite on the fire scene , and quite definite in there recommendation of 2:1, 2 bottles of water to every 1 of electrolite , probably should start a post on the DLRA site to be sure we dont get a repeat of last yr

Be nice and cool tomorrow, you should get lots done , hows the countdown going, be ready in good time ?

my glass took 24 hrs to mostly set, its in the sun today so i hope to be busy tomorrow too 
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on January 16, 2014, 07:15:24 PM
A tad warm in Melbourne, I understand -

http://www.weather.com/sports-rec/tennis-player-hallucinates-faints-australian-open-20140115

If Woogie starts looking like a Charles M. Schulz character, you might want to head back into the house . . .
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on January 16, 2014, 09:15:42 PM
Yep , Hot.
G

http://www.themercury.com.au/news/tasmania/fire-warning-asbig-heat-melts-roads/story-fnj4f7k1-1226801908364
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 18, 2014, 06:24:46 AM
We got what you got!

I never took a pic but I will do so tomorrow.

I have a table with a glass top I use for making Carbon sheets.
I do the work and then put another glass plate over it.
I had it out in the sun to "Post Cure".
I put the pyrometer on it and it went to 80*C so I fried two eggs on it for the Jack Russels. :lol:

The Microscopic Mexican Monkey Rat lost her appetite for the duration of the heatwave, the moment it cooled down she became a ravenous monster.....She's fully back to normal now.

Today we had tank day. On The Colonel's urging we tackled "the big job" and set about the re-gear. We last ran a 2.41. We have a 2.28 and a 2.14, we tossed a metaphorical coin and decided we would use the 2.14 and run it hard in the early gears. With the 2.14 we are at 5350@208mph , 5350rpm is our torque peak.

We've got heaps to do.............
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Koncretekid on January 18, 2014, 06:47:16 AM
Is 208 your target speed?  If so, I'd grab the 2.28 or the 2.41.  Your max hp is going to follow your max torque by 1000-1500 rpm, and hp is what gets the job done.  I think you'll lose too much hp when you shift into high gear, and never recover.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: tauruck on January 18, 2014, 06:59:40 AM
I wish you all the best and I hope you get a break with the weather.
I had intentions of doing bunches of work today but it won't happen.

Nice to have a choice on the ratios. It's all related to those gears and I'm pulling for you guys.
 :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 18, 2014, 07:06:29 AM
Is 208 your target speed?  If so, I'd grab the 2.28 or the 2.41.  Your max hp is going to follow your max torque by 1000-1500 rpm, and hp is what gets the job done.  I think you'll lose too much hp when you shift into high gear, and never recover.

No KK we ran 215 last year , we're hoping for a bit more than that, the motor continues to make power beyond 5350, we'll be running it to 6350. We wont have a chance to set up the new ECM we have so we are just sticking a finger in the wind. If it falls on it's face we'll fit the 2.28 at the lake. We aren't confident of pushing it beyond 6350 and so there's no point running the gears we ran last year.

We'll be shifting into top at about 170mph, the rev/power drop will still be pretty good there.

 :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on January 18, 2014, 11:00:30 AM
Is 208 your target speed?  If so, I'd grab the 2.28 or the 2.41.  Your max hp is going to follow your max torque by 1000-1500 rpm, and hp is what gets the job done.  I think you'll lose too much hp when you shift into high gear, and never recover.

No KK we ran 215 last year , we're hoping for a bit more than that, the motor continues to make power beyond 5350, we'll be running it to 6350. We wont have a chance to set up the new ECM we have so we are just sticking a finger in the wind. If it falls on it's face we'll fit the 2.28 at the lake. We aren't confident of pushing it beyond 6350 and so there's no point running the gears we ran last year.

We'll be shifting into top at about 170mph, the rev/power drop will still be pretty good there.

 :cheers:

Doc, do you have timing slips that indicate speeds at different points on the track?  I guess I've only seen your record speeds, and I don't know if the DLRA records these like BNI with speeds at the 2,3,4, etc.

You did do some dyno work a while back - I recall it being a mixed bag, but if you can do some sipherin' and some gozintas, you might be able to determine if you can skip the 2.41s and just roll with the 2.28s.  I know that's against your usual progressive approach, but if you start with the 2.28s and it works, then you've saved yourself the headache of swapping out a pumpkin on the salt.  If it doesn't work, well, you've already allotted the time for a pumpkin swap, so you swap in the 2.41s and give her hell.

Time on the salt is tough to come by, expensive and precious - swapping out a pumpkin takes you out of the seat during prime time.  If you go with the 2.41s, you most certainly will have to allow time for a diff change - if you go with the 2.28s, you might not.  A little bit of calculation with the info you have might make that decision a little easier.

 
My hunch - if everything is up to snuff, with the additional aero you're gathering with the axle fairings, the tire change and past reports from yourself is that the donk will likely push the package past 215 without any problems regardless of the gearset.  

And while I don't know the timeline on the streamliner body, what is clear is that the plan is to pension off the tank body at some point.  Given that events at Gairdner are a weather influenced crap shoot - where the house seems to win an inordinate number of hands - I think you might want to maximize this opportunity.

Because after you've moved on to the streamliner, it will simply gnaw at you if, in the back of your mind you think, "You know, I suspect there might have been a few more in her."  

Waxing philosophical in Beerhaven . . .

Chris
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on January 18, 2014, 12:40:50 PM
mmm... beerhaven....  I am just having a brew after watching Gravity at the local Imax. Now that is one hell of a ride and I needed beer to recover and think about how glad I didn't get to be an astronaut as I had hoped as a kid.

No heatwave here but I wish I were there.

d
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on January 18, 2014, 12:54:14 PM
I am just having a brew after watching Gravity at the local Imax.

"It's the story of how George Clooney would rather float away into space and die than spend one more minute with a woman his own age."

Tina Fey
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Sumner on January 18, 2014, 01:23:34 PM
Is 208 your target speed?  If so, I'd grab the 2.28 or the 2.41.  Your max hp is going to follow your max torque by 1000-1500 rpm, and hp is what gets the job done.  I think you'll lose too much hp when you shift into high gear, and never recover.

No KK we ran 215 last year , we're hoping for a bit more than that, the motor continues to make power beyond 5350, we'll be running it to 6350. We wont have a chance to set up the new ECM we have so we are just sticking a finger in the wind. If it falls on it's face we'll fit the 2.28 at the lake. We aren't confident of pushing it beyond 6350 and so there's no point running the gears we ran last year.

We'll be shifting into top at about 170mph, the rev/power drop will still be pretty good there.

 :cheers:

I think I'd vote for the 2.28's also.  Not sure what combo you are running and if you are running a 1:1 final gear or not but with a 2.41 and 28 inch tires and 1:1 4th I get the following using my spreadsheet:

Rear End   Ratio===>   2.41
Tire Diameter    ======>   27.80
Fourth Gear   Ratio ==>   1.00
      
MPH............RPM..In..Fourth

200.....................5831
205.....................5977
210.....................6122
215.....................6268            
220.....................6414

Were you running about 6300 at 215 like above?  If so then with the 2.28 you would have the following:

Rear End   Ratio===>   2.28
Tire Diameter    ======>   27.80
Fourth Gear   Ratio ==>    1.00
      
MPH............RPM..In..Fourth

210....................5792
215....................5930
220....................6068
225....................6206
230....................6344
235....................6482

215 mph to 230 mph at 6300 is a pretty big jump in HP required to do it.  Now let's look at the 2.14 gears:

Rear End   Ratio===>   2.14
Tire Diameter    ======>   27.80
Fourth Gear   Ratio ==>    1.00
      
MPH............RPM..In..Fourth

220......................5695
225......................5825
230......................5954
235......................6084
240......................6213
245......................6343
250......................6472

Now 6300 is over 240 and 215 that you ran is 5566 rpm.  I'd go with the 2.28's to start like Chris suggested.  I think he had a good plan.

The above info can be figured on the spreadsheet here in just a couple seconds....

http://purplesagetradingpost.com/sumner/bvillecar/bville-spreadsheet-index.html#Four%20Speed%20Car (http://purplesagetradingpost.com/sumner/bvillecar/bville-spreadsheet-index.html#Four%20Speed%20Car)

I've also added another feature to that spreadsheet.  If you know from your dyno runs how much HP you had at say 6300 and you ran 215 you can use the spreadsheet that figures HP requirements at a different speed based on a know one.....

http://purplesagetradingpost.com/sumner/bvillecar/bville-spreadsheet-index.html#Horse%20Power%20Needed (http://purplesagetradingpost.com/sumner/bvillecar/bville-spreadsheet-index.html#Horse%20Power%20Needed)

...to figure the HP requirements to run 100 mph.  Then put that HP figure into the first spreadsheet for speeds at different rpm's and it will tell you the required HP needed for all speeds from 30 mph up.  It would tell you the HP you would need to go from your 215 to say 230.  The nice thing is that if you have done a dyno pull and you know your HP curve at different rpms you can use the spreadsheet and see how much hp you need at a speed after a shift.  The spreadsheet will show you the rpm in the next gear.  You can compare it to the dyno numbers and see if you have the HP at the new rpm to accelerate and probably have an idea if the acceleration will be slow or faster.  I'm going to post more about this addition in the "Formula Forum" soon,

Sum

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stan Back on January 18, 2014, 01:38:51 PM
A few years ago we set the record at SpeedWeek at 206.  That was at about 7500 RPM, supposedly our peak HP.  For World Finals, we made a 3% gear change -- from 3.10 to 3.00 -- and I had it all decided that we could run 210, especially in the better air at WF.  I think we made three runs, "leaning" on it until our Stone Age EGTs suggested we stop.  The last run, we finally topped 200 in the five.  We made a good decision on not blowing it up just to qualify on our own record.

The next year we made a bunch of car changes and finally went 210.  That 3% change was a bear.  Not as easy as it looked.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 18, 2014, 03:46:45 PM
Thanks all for the input, it is always much appreciated.

I have done some spreadsheet runs on your site Sum, and had neglected to thank you, they threw up some interesting stuff.

We haven't been on the dyno this year, time and coin poor we are just running with what we have. Sadly we dont have the time or resources to get the Haltech ECU sorted which would allow us to rev the combo a little harder.

The spreadsheet , with conservative estimates on frontal area suggested we needed 312hp to reach 215mph. The Colonel is confident that with a few changes that have been made since and the full exhaust that we are possibly 40 or 50 hp above that.

No we don't have mile by mile times but we were almost top speeding by the end of the three, and this was leaving the push car in third gear at 35mph and shifting at 150. If we used first and second gear we will accelerate faster even if we step down two gears.

The bottom line is the car has until this point had full traction, we haven't hit the "aero wall" yet. Fairings on the axles and a clean up of bodywork will offer up free horsepower.

So many unknowns, we figured we'll just put the 2.14 in, it will probably go slower, then we have our answer, we can fit the 2.28 at the lake .....if that goes slower then the only option for us is to rev the ring out of the 232, we've had advice that there are diminishing gains there.

So far we've been lucky.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Sumner on January 18, 2014, 07:16:36 PM
.....The spreadsheet , with conservative estimates on frontal area suggested we needed 312hp to reach 215mph. The Colonel is confident that with a few changes that have been made since and the full exhaust that we are possibly 40 or 50 hp above that......

Using the 312 HP for 215 mph you can see what the HP increase theoretically needs to be from the new spreadsheet:

HP Needed.....MPH

234..................195
252..................200
271..................205
292..................210
313..................215
335..................220
359..................225
383..................230
409..................235
435..................240

With 313 HP at 215 mph you would need 359 HP to run 225, about what you think you have for a HP increase and your anticipated increase probably is before drive-train losses.  The 225 is also about 6200 with the 2.28 gears.  Above 225 mph the HP needed really starts to increase.  Just something to think about.

Are you going to setup both gear sets in the rear at home before going and keep separate shim packs for both with you to cut down on the time to change gear sets on the salt?  Going to use a solid shim pack to avoid dealing with the crush sleeve?  That would help vs. trying to setup the rear on the salt from scratch and having to get the pinion depth, back-lash and bearing pre-load all right out there.

I'm trying to work through the same deal myself.  I got 2.14 gears for the lakester's 7 1/2 rearend, but feel I need to go with 2.28's at first with the 'weak motor'.  I just bought some used 2.28 gears last night on ebay.  I'd found a NOS set of 2.14's a couple months ago and bought them along with getting a Torsen center section from Sparky.  I also found some 1350 pinion yokes for the 7 1/5 and got one.

Good luck, wish I was there,

Sum


Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: salt27 on January 18, 2014, 07:35:06 PM
280 pages and I can't find if you mentioned the weight of "The Spirit of Sunshine" or not.

If you would have to kill me if you told me, I'm not interested but if it was just a slight maiming I'd like to know.   :-D


  Don
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 18, 2014, 08:57:04 PM
 Sparky , the 10 bolt dealer......he's got more than a few people hooked. :-D :-D

Sum, the 312hp/215mph is an estimation from your spreadsheet, it could be way out either way as it is based on several guesses. It may be that the 340+hp we hope we have was all at play at that point, it may however be an overestimation , we were using less but the valve train limited us?????

Yeah, we should be on the dyno.

We also need taller rocker covers, the dings in the ones we have indicate that.

Don, I'd dearly love to maim you, sadly I don't know what it weighs, that being the case we'll have to settle for the usual verbal abuse......
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: tauruck on January 21, 2014, 09:33:00 AM
Taller rocker box covers?.

What motor do you run?.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on January 22, 2014, 09:31:26 AM
Limo... moved your post out of this topic to the for sale section, feel free to post pictures of it.  We usually try not to put a for sale ad in the middle of someone's build.  Yes we stray, but usually not that far  :wink:

Buick V6... or Holden... I have a left one that isn't crunched... for a stage 2 head....
How many head bolts in that motor Doc?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on January 22, 2014, 07:48:07 PM
I believe these are the beasts . . .

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/stage3wollerwockergirdle.jpg)

Couldn't find the pic of the port job, but I recall the intake ports as being slightly larger than the passenger compartment of the Midget . . .
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 23, 2014, 05:07:34 AM
Correct Mogwaiin.

Yes folks we are using the stock steel eight bolt jobs, and yes we are using those rockers which aren't highly regarded and they now have dings in them from the locks...there will be a little artful use of a porting tool on them before we go back.

The covers. The Colonel tanked( see what I did there) a couple of sets of the plastic covered Al ones....they've come back squeaky clean and plastic free. I'll cut the top off two of them and the bottoms off another two and you guessed it , weld them together...Yes, while they are bolted to a head, no not our heads, no not my head, a little over 3/4 of an inch is all we need, I'll stretch them as far as I can while they still fit inside the body....

Thanks for the offer Bob.

Yes we melted, then we set again, in strange positions, next week we melt again.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: wobblywalrus on January 24, 2014, 08:43:06 PM
It is weird here too.  This is the land of eternal rain, mist, and fog during this time of the year.  They are declaring a mid-winter fire danger period and two small fires are burning now.  We have had only a small fraction of our annual deluge and it is cold, windy and dry.   
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 24, 2014, 09:01:41 PM
There are always fires here Bo, but when it gets really hot, the place is alight in a frightening fashion.

Had another look at the available room for the rocker covers, seems a smarter idea will be to just add to the centre section where the posi-locks are, we are going to taller, thinner ones, they will allow greater lift but require taller covers.So, to that end I cut the centre section out of the top and am lifting them about 22mm....here they are prior to bird-shitting, I mean welding......

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/Mobile%20Uploads/utf-8BSU1BRzEzNTQuanBn_zps8075baf7.jpg) (http://s190.photobucket.com/user/fourdoorshitbox/media/Mobile%20Uploads/utf-8BSU1BRzEzNTQuanBn_zps8075baf7.jpg.html)

they fit like this.... we'll have a filler on both sides, at the front, then I'll have to chamfer them at the back where the cowl tucks in.....

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/Mobile%20Uploads/th_utf-8BSU1BRzEzNTUuanBn_zpsa89b57b0.jpg) (http://s190.photobucket.com/user/fourdoorshitbox/media/Mobile%20Uploads/utf-8BSU1BRzEzNTUuanBn_zpsa89b57b0.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on January 24, 2014, 10:34:37 PM
Hey Stainless.
I wouldn't mind that rocker cover.
Just leave it attached to the engine an send over
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on January 25, 2014, 02:00:36 AM
 :-D  :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on January 25, 2014, 05:29:25 AM
:-D  :cheers:


 :cheers: :cheers:
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: PJQ on January 28, 2014, 03:12:59 AM
Tank weight guess.
From hauling the SOS and from hauling other cars with the same trailer and Troopy, I’d bet the SOS is smidge heavier than a Ford Falcon.  Mind you, we had extra crap in the trailer that wasn’t lightweight, and beer, and the water tank is always filled. That would be 1360 kilos, 3000 pounds. Purely subjective guessing from hauling.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Freud on January 28, 2014, 10:03:01 AM
Goggles, I wish you could have made the Grand National Roadster Show.

It would have really impressed you in the Bonneville arena.

FREUD
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: salt27 on January 28, 2014, 10:43:23 AM
Thank you PJQ, it gives me an idea anyway.  

Gogs, I'm with Freud on the GNRS.

  Don
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 28, 2014, 05:48:23 PM
Oh No, Don has an idea.  :roll:

Pa, I dunno about the GNRS, my eyes are sensitive to glare, there looked to be a whole lot of shiny things in there. :wink:

Gotta go, have to clock up some annual leave :cheers:
Title: Museum reports
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on February 03, 2014, 09:51:01 AM
Hey all.

As part of my work here I get to explore in depth a lot of great museums and last week I saw two that may spark some interest and relevance here.

Firstly I was taken around the Yorkshire Air Museum at Elvington where many a landspeed record has been set and the infamous runway where Richard Hammond knocked his noodle about when he crashed the jet dragster filming for Top Gear. I was taken around by one of the main trustees as we are doing a project design for the Airspeed site  in York and needed to see how they operated.

This place was built during WW2 to cater for long range bombers and in this case it launched the Halifaxes of which they have a beauty. The buildings are nearly all period buildings of control towers, mess halls and Nissen Huts which house a range of exhibitions and planes. The planes are a great collection from a Cayley Glider (1849) to today with a Harrier (not yet all gone for spare parts to the US) a Victor and a Nimrod to mention a few of the more interesting ones. The most interesting one for me though and what makes it relevant to this thread is that they have one and a half Canberra Bombers and I was given the opportunity to climb into the cockpit of one. The plane is much smaller on the inside than it looks from the outside and with that strange bubble canopy it must have felt very strange flying at such a speed so high.

The weirder position though was the navigator/targetor position where you lie down and stick your head into the bubble in the front nose looking down. This must have been a blast peaking out at the world below but not so much fun when the Mig 17's appeared and shot these guys up.

Further info on this plane and the site itself can be found here:
http://www.yorkshireairmuseum.org/exhibits/aircraft-exhibits/post-world-war-ii-aircraft/english-electric-canberra-t4?phpMyAdmin=3a0c50473ae0t41cd598f

I then toodled over to the National Railway Museum in York where they hold a couple of other speed record vehicles, with the highlight for me being seeing the Mallard which set the steam record of 126mph. It is a big lump of metal and very similar in colour to Bluebird. It has a strength about it that gives a sense of stability. What I wanted to see was the details and it was simple things like the treaded walkway over the front fenders to stop the operators from slipping when walking down the side that caught my eye; they added a texture that contrasted the smoothness of the overall bulk and were a necessary consideration for operational purposes. It is this balance of need for speed and operability that works so well on this machine. Other exhibits include classics like the Flying Scotsman and some really early locomotives pre-Stephenson's rocket.

Lots of other good things on display but this is a very old school museum with minimal display information and prehistoric packaging of items. You really need to know your stuff to appreciate the exhibits which I guess is a main part of their audience. But given that a lot of trainspotters will be dragging along the uninitiated it would be wiser to instil a context to the story in the form of other exhibits and information so those other halves and not so interested would have a positive experience as well. I personally loved it but I was a model railway modeller from wayback and so well initiated.

The Airspeed project we are looking at incidentally involves the Aviatrix Amy Johnson who set the record of solo flying to Australia (and others). She was a director of the Airspeed factory in York in the 1930's with Neville Shute (author of "On the Beach" made into a movie with Gregory Peck and Ferrari racing Fred Astaire, and "A Town like Alice"). This factory made aircraft and was the place where the retractable landing gear was invented and we are looking at redeveloping the building as a museum and exhibition site celebrating this history and 1930's addiction to speed in general! It is brilliantly located in the heart of York within the Roman fortress walls and on the river Foss.

Photos to come.

Reverend H+

ps on another note the early Bluebird that I saw being rebuilt at the Beaulieu estate workshops last year has been finished and the engine restarted this week without the devastating consequences of its previous start:

http://fortyonesix.com/news/1833/bluebird-heard-singing-again-at?utm_medium=email&utm_source=The+Goodwood+Estate+Company+Ltd&utm_campaign=3613338_FortyOneSix+31%2f01%2f2014&utm_content=bluebird&dm_i=1QLU,25G2I,B0NJQ5,7RRG3,1

Great to see this repainted with a brush from a tin in a non sealed garage as the original was and not over restored like so many classic rods.
Title: Is this a good place to post about another Bluebird? 1963 - Lake Eyre
Post by: twodear on February 05, 2014, 04:46:18 PM
I watched the video on the Reverends link and then tried to find a video from the 1993 explosive first attempt to start that early Bluebird. I found this video instead. Perhaps it is old news, and it certainly doesn't have anything to do with Lake Gairdner or the Spirit of Sunshine. But it gave me a feeling of the trouble and expense Campell and his team went through, as well as the trouble all you guys go through to put your cars on the salt and go fast.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cruT46lzPr8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cruT46lzPr8)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Riot patrol 1 on February 06, 2014, 04:59:24 AM
Hi Reverend
On my way home from the Big Smoke I took the short cut to Warrnambool when I turned off at the Pombeniet Tractor Wreckers, not sure if you still have the farm out there or not, but certain you will have lots of friends in the area so a quick up date on the latest fire to hit the area south of the Cobden / Stonyford road about 8 km west of the rail line,
Light Easterly Winds, 34 deg C, no visible flames from the road as the front has pushed into the bush about 4 kms.
20 tankers, 10 slide on teams and a couple of water bombers mopping up, officially under control.
It started by the roadside where it passes through the rocky area beside the small volcano and ran about 4 kms SW then south, the houses visible from the road were saved and other than fences and small stuctures there have been no reports of injury or loss.


Insert: big sigh of relief
All the Best, Adam
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: tauruck on February 06, 2014, 07:38:08 AM
Thanks Reverend.

Very interesting post. :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on February 06, 2014, 11:13:43 AM
Hi Reverend
On my way home from the Big Smoke I took the short cut to Warrnambool when I turned off at the Pombeniet Tractor Wreckers, not sure if you still have the farm out there or not, but certain you will have lots of friends in the area so a quick up date on the latest fire to hit the area south of the Cobden / Stonyford road about 8 km west of the rail line,
Light Easterly Winds, 34 deg C, no visible flames from the road as the front has pushed into the bush about 4 kms.
20 tankers, 10 slide on teams and a couple of water bombers mopping up, officially under control.
It started by the roadside where it passes through the rocky area beside the small volcano and ran about 4 kms SW then south, the houses visible from the road were saved and other than fences and small stuctures there have been no reports of injury or loss.


Insert: big sigh of relief
All the Best, Adam

!!! I do indeed still have the farm up there, we are on the Princes Highway west from the tractor wreckers near the old gun club and basically on the rail line. The fences are all stone so no risk but the house is a 1910 weatherboard so very susceptible to the odd spark and have just paid for some guys to clear the gutters, slash and generally clear up, the cows clear up the rest. I miss it a lot. Planted a bunch of trees a couple of years back which hopefully have survived the heat.

Thanks for the update.

Dik
Title: Re: Is this a good place to post about another Bluebird? 1963 - Lake Eyre
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on February 06, 2014, 11:22:42 AM
I watched the video on the Reverends link and then tried to find a video from the 1993 explosive first attempt to start that early Bluebird. I found this video instead. Perhaps it is old news, and it certainly doesn't have anything to do with Lake Gairdner or the Spirit of Sunshine. But it gave me a feeling of the trouble and expense Campell and his team went through, as well as the trouble all you guys go through to put your cars on the salt and go fast.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cruT46lzPr8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cruT46lzPr8)


Wow, that is a fantastic film. Gina Campbell mentions it in her autobiography and so I knew of it but didn't expect to see it so soon. And yes, a John Barry soundtrack to boot.

While we are on it, I found this short one about John Cobb, very moving and what a great looking design. I am heading up that way in Spring and will pay respects at his memorial.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYrafKbTqV4

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 06, 2014, 06:54:16 PM
Hey Twodear, I loved the film too, apart from the overt "ockerness". Even as a musician though the score kind of left me cold, it has an overbearing wartime propo feel to it that I can't stand. The song "Waltzing Matilda" is mawkish on a good day and everytime they cranked it up there I cringed.  I have always encouraged people to read "The Dead Lake" as a great account of the record attempt, that film was a strange and beautiful portrayal of the brutal nature of the environment out there. Campbell really was a smooth piece of work wasn't he?......he had persuasive powers for sure, 2 million quid in 1963-4 was an astonishing amount of money. I do know though after talking to people who were peripheral to the effort back then that there was a current of ill feeling, that Campbell persisted, and succeeded is a credit to him. The winner as they say, takes the spoils, those who are still grinding axes can at will, Campbell of course paid the ultimate price for his ongoing pursuit.


Good to hear that  the fire at Pomborneit wasn't too severe.

On the topic again.

We bought a flat tandem trailer last week. It is black, that will change, you couldn't stand near it in 40 degree heat, let alone touch it, I'll paint it whit. I have a 4&1/2 tonne winch which I'll mount and then set about making the ramps flush with the deck, and working out how to attach all the storage we need. Last year was the first time we've used an open trailer and frankly the car was the cleanest it has been so that is how this trailer will stay for the time being.

Last weekend I went about repairing some of the damage that the tail of the car suffered when I dropped it from the tow truck in 2011. It wasn't immediately obvious but it left a small gap in the top of the bodywork where the tail joined the top of the cowl. You can see it here, just ahead of the rear wheels....

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/P2210140_zpsbc8eed3d.jpg)

I measured the height of the gap as 11mm, did a little head maths and decided two 4mm pleats should do it, I scribed lines and then pleats that went from 4mm to 0 over 350mm, we cut them out with a 1mm wheel and the pulled it all together with a ratchet tie down around the body, here is one side.....I used a mig, argon and 1mm wire

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/Mobile%20Uploads/utf-8BSU1BRzEzOTAuanBn_zps8875880e.jpg?t=1391729551)

It all came together nicely.

The week before we built the raised height rocker covers we need for the taller posi-locks, with the tight space under the cowl the original plan of just lifting the whole cover wasn't going to work so I just cut the centre out and used 2mm plate to raise it about 20mm.

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/Mobile%20Uploads/utf-8BSU1BRzEzNTUuanBn_zpsa89b57b0.jpg)

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/Mobile%20Uploads/utf-8BSU1BRzEzNTQuanBn_zps8075baf7.jpg)

A few weeks before that I got involved in some earthworks with the radius rods, this cooked up a little bit of agro from a few fronts. Structural integrity and aesthetics were the main complaints. These items are really only subjected to compression forces. I cut them and added a piece of 25mm OD 3mm wall seamless pipe inside them and then a piece of 10mm plate as a spine. It was necessary for two reasons. In order to comply with the scrutineers demands for 300mph tyres since we crossed the 200mph barrier we had to change  from 26 to 25 inch tyres, that meant lowering the front axle by half an inch, that brought the tie rods into conflict with the radius rods, then I decided I finally wanted the tie rods to hide behind the axle for aero reasons. The only way to achieve that and keep the radius rod attachments on the midline was to scallop them.

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/Mobile%20Uploads/utf-8BSU1BRzEzMjEuanBn_zps7835c568.jpg)

I still have to paint the car, I also have to get new decals I think....Rev, you got the file for them?

Cheers

Dr G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on February 06, 2014, 07:22:04 PM
Hey Doc, do we need to have a fund raiser to get paint or do you still have some left from that school bus project  :evil:

Car is looking good, it is a never ending battle...  :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on February 06, 2014, 07:30:01 PM
Maybe a fundraiser for some spare time as well
I just found out the boys from Lowbrow customs are going to Sweden for Speedweek on ice
They seem to have time
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 06, 2014, 08:08:36 PM
Hey Doc, do we need to have a fund raiser to get paint or do you still have some left from that school bus project  :evil:

Car is looking good, it is a never ending battle...  :cheers:

Hey Bob there was a friend of mine at Bonneville last year ,he swept up a huge smear of yellow paint that I 're-dissolved with solvent so I'm right for that stuff, I got a heap of red from my bank statement and I got the off white color from the Reverends face when he saw the radius rods. :evil:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on February 06, 2014, 09:03:24 PM


Hey Bob there was a friend of mine at Bonneville last year ,he swept up a huge smear of yellow paint that I 're-dissolved with solvent so I'm right for that stuff, I got a heap of red from my bank statement and I got the off white color from the Reverends face when he saw the radius rods. :evil:
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Okay - so you can repaint the wiring harness . . .  :wink:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Speed Limit 1000 on February 06, 2014, 09:41:43 PM
Dr. that was a good one. Stainless sure left some paint on the salt. Glad he is OK.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 06, 2014, 09:42:10 PM
Stay out of this Mogwarts it isn't appropriate for someone who can paint their car with a can of Humbrol to enter this discussion......
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on February 06, 2014, 09:47:13 PM
Stay out of this Mogwarts it isn't appropriate for someone who can paint their car with a can of Humbrol to enter this discussion......

. . . with enough left over to doll up the trailer, I might add.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 06, 2014, 09:51:09 PM
Dr. that was a good one. Stainless sure left some paint on the salt. Glad he is OK.

Absolutely Johnboy, that joke wouldn't have had the same ring to it otherwise.

I'm going to put instructions in my will that I want to be buried in a yellow coffin...........
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: generatorshovel on February 06, 2014, 10:39:08 PM
Your a nutter Goggs, and entertaining one though, if you have a spare time surplus, I could use a bit   :roll:
Did you hear about the bloke who ordered "special" shorter HTD  belts from the UK , but dyslexia helped him order them 400 mm too short ?
NP, one of your neighbors had 'em in stock, be here tuesday..now about that red paint ????
Tiny
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: tauruck on February 06, 2014, 10:53:35 PM
Humbrol?.

Just one can?. :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on February 06, 2014, 10:55:48 PM
Dr. that was a good one. Stainless sure left some paint on the salt. Glad he is OK.

Absolutely Johnboy, that joke wouldn't have had the same ring to it otherwise.


If you think you are happy, it's nothing compared to Linda.... she'd rather put up with my shit than have to dispose of it  :evil:  :roll:

If you need some yellow body parts I can send you a bucket full or two...
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 06, 2014, 11:29:59 PM
I'll be right Bob, thanks, i'm a daredevil for sure but this shirt is about as far out as I'll go, yellow with purple flames? even the Rev would struggle to pull that off( shot by Simon Davidson)

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/StainlessAtWendover.jpg)

hawk eyed observers will notice the ghostly image of a grinning Beerhaven Brit-bomber in the glass...............

Well Mike, not a whole can.

Your a nutter Goggs, an entertaining one though, if you have a spare time surplus, I could use a bit   :roll:
Tiny


bahahahahahahaha, good one.....I'm hoping I can find someone to drive my truck so I can work on the tank on the trip over to the salt.......
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on February 07, 2014, 12:19:08 AM
Baby you can drive my truck
I don't really .....................

Sorry.  :roll: Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: salt27 on February 07, 2014, 01:33:41 AM
Gogs,
Hows about a picture of the newly acquired tank hauler.

Is the F150 still the puller of choice?

 Don
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: maj on February 07, 2014, 03:23:04 PM
Doc a tarp between the bottom of the tailgate  and trailer realy minimises the dust and saves a lot of yonnie shoveling later

 
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 07, 2014, 03:31:47 PM
F100 Don, does the job and is still semi practical around town.

No-one wants to see pictures of a dumb old trailer, BUT, i have some news that will warm hearts. She's been married a few times , but we love her, well when I say married I mean it looks like she's had a few relationships, she's been blue, she's been red, she's now black......but the great news is SHE'S BEEN YELLOW!!!!!!!!!

OK settle down.


40 degrees here today........ :x

Doc a tarp between the bottom of the tailgate  and trailer really minimises the dust and saves a lot of yonnie shoveling later

Nice idea Greg, we were thinking of putting a shroud over the front of the trailer , probably a frame with a tarp, rather than a full one with sheet metal.... I'll consider your suggestion.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: stay`tee on February 07, 2014, 04:04:25 PM
a shroud will "suck" the dust in mate, :evil:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 07, 2014, 04:36:00 PM
I'm figurin that Ronnie. Last year we took an open trailer with a front on it, wasn't too bad....just working out the lazy/effectiveness balance.

Last year was the cleanest the car has come back, main objective is to stop the destructive yonnification (google that seps).
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on February 07, 2014, 04:52:25 PM
It's 40 degrees here too.  :lol: Oh. You meant celcius.  :-P Never mind. Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on February 07, 2014, 08:32:17 PM
I did search for "yonnification" and I came up with - not much except for one use of the word in a language I don't speak -- looked like Spanish or something.  Are you gonna tell me or must I simply add the word to the long list of Aussie words that aren't meant to be known by those of us on the top half of the world?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 07, 2014, 09:51:00 PM
I did search for "yonnification" and I came up with - not much except for one use of the word in a language I don't speak -- looked like Spanish or something.  Are you gonna tell me or must I simply add the word to the long list of Aussie words that aren't meant to be known by those of us on the top half of the world?

You chuck, piff or hoik a yonnie...

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=yonnie

 :roll:

Thus yonnification, stone damage.

I grew up in the country, my years between about 6 and 15 were largely taken up by throwing things, yonnies mostly, yes, the Stone Age.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: DLRA#363 on February 08, 2014, 02:04:21 AM
I thought that I might be able to quietly slip up to the Lake incognito for a day or 2 but have now locked myself in to run part of a plant shutdown for one of my business clients on the Tuesday & Wednesday of Speed-Week. :-( :-( :-(
Have a good time guys. Run fast & safe & bump your record. :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D

Cheers,
Cookey
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: tauruck on February 08, 2014, 03:50:34 AM
I don't know much about the other stuff but the shirt is cool. You could go way further than that!.

You guys look like you spend all day indoors. Get some sun willya?. :-D :-D

As always, great thread. Thanks. :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on February 08, 2014, 10:31:05 AM
Mikey, I think Goggs is referring to the car in this Pic by Hotrod Larry, the blueish is actually purpleish...

same car in the pic by my racing teammate Porkpie... Larry's picture is Aug 12.... Pork Pie's the 13th.... there are no pics on the 14th   :-(
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: PorkPie on February 08, 2014, 12:56:17 PM
Mikey, I think Goggs is referring to the car in this Pic by Hotrod Larry, the blueish is actually purpleish...

same car in the pic by my racing teammate Porkpie... Larry's picture is Aug 12.... Pork Pie's the 13th.... there are no pics on the 14th   :-(

Stainless knows how to celebrate a birthday party.....his birthday is on the Aug 13th..... :roll:




Stainless....you shocked me to life with this action.....yeap.....I know, too, it was not by purpose.....was great to see you the next day late evening with us at the table of the 200 MPH Club banquet....Tough
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Rex Schimmer on February 08, 2014, 01:20:29 PM
Stainless, just to pirate the thread for a second, I don't think I have ever seen any comment by you or your partner regarding the possible cause of your crash. Any comment? If I missed it send me a link.

Rex
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on February 08, 2014, 02:58:01 PM
Stopped going straight  :roll:  :-o

Come to Freud's NW reunion and I'll tell the story over a beer.  You're buyin...

Sorry to sidetrack your thread guys, had to explain your comments to Mikey.

Back to topic... How's that tank coming along... gotta go racing soon, lets see some pictures so we can give you crap about what you've done.  :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 08, 2014, 05:38:51 PM
I thought that I might be able to quietly slip up to the Lake incognito for a day or 2 but have now locked myself in to run part of a plant shutdown for one of my business clients on the Tuesday & Wednesday of Speed-Week. :-( :-( :-(
Have a good time guys. Run fast & safe & bump your record. :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D

Cheers,
Cookey

Thats a pity Cookey. We've had a good run so far, I'm fully prepared to go slower this year, I think we may have arrived at the crossroads of power and drag.

I'm also hoping to prove myself wrong.

Rex and Bob, if there is a hijack-worthy thread on this board this is it.

Still hot today, cool change heading in later . It dropped briefly to 25 at midnight last night but was back to 32 at 3am........
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on February 08, 2014, 09:04:20 PM

Still hot today, cool change heading in later . It dropped briefly to 25 at midnight last night but was back to 32 at 3am........

Close to the same here.... 'cept it came up to 25 at midnight.... didn't hit 32 till 3PM   :roll:
Easier to drink beer in C than in F.... in those F numbers I prefer exceptional Rye or Tequila  :-D

James, you visiting the yanks this year? 
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: tauruck on February 09, 2014, 06:11:24 AM
Bob, I get it. :-)

Funny thing, those are my favourite colours and my car will be painted Yellow with some Purple in there somewhere.
Royal Purple can't make up it's mind. :-P Whatever, It will be Yellow!!!

On the Tequila, there's a few of those in our future when we eventually meet and I'm buying. :-D

Sorry fot the Jack. :oops:
Title: Kim Krebs and Greg's bikes burnt
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on February 09, 2014, 06:23:56 AM
NEWSFLASH

Dreadful news from the bushfires down here. Everyone is alright but some serious machinery lost. Here is Kim Kreb's post:


Fires and Summer.

The good news is that Greg is OK. This afternoon a fire raced across the region around Gregs place at such an incredible pace. As a member of the CFA, he was fighting the fire elsewhere, when the wind changed direction and he decided home was where he should be. He was able to save his home, but the machinery shed, woolshed (where the bikes are stored) and some of the cropping machinery are lost
Our race bikes are toast, so this season's DLRA meeting wont include us. Unfortunately the old DLRA timing gear that Greg was repairing to use on the short track is now a molten mess.

So ... the good news is that no one is hurt ... and besides, the 750 was due for a new frame anyway.


I am sure all her have met Greg and Kim and know what great people they are will be sorry to hear this. I am not surprised Greg was off his property helping fight fires elsewhere. No word on insurance yet...

Dik
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: tauruck on February 09, 2014, 10:10:25 AM
Sorry to hear that.

As long as they are OK is what counts.
Title: Winch cable prep: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 13, 2014, 11:56:36 PM
Hi All,

someone suggested treating new winch cables with something before hitting the salt the first time.

We have a brand new winch and I remember someone said they soak their winch cables in something, was it Inox ? was it silicone...

Come on, give over. :wink:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on February 14, 2014, 12:35:08 AM
No it was XXXX Mate. :-D
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 14, 2014, 05:10:35 AM
It was Speights :roll:.....Sid,we do all sorts of things wrong,but we don't drink XXXX
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on February 14, 2014, 07:45:39 AM
Speights... that reminds me... whatever happened to George Speight who took over Fiji in a coup....?

Ok Ok a little off topic, I'll get back in my box. Waiting for a plane to go to Spain and feeling a bit antsy.

d
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Ron Gibson on February 14, 2014, 08:51:24 AM
The product  is LPS 3, a solvent based wax. Very pricey in my opinion. I used it on my winch cable, PITA to get cable coated, wasted a bunch. Spraying cable is like herding cats and I have cats so I know what it's like :-D.
If I had to do it over I think I would use until the cable got bad then replace it with stainless steel cable.

Ron
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on February 14, 2014, 10:37:24 AM
It was Speights :roll:.....Sid,we do all sorts of things wrong,but we don't drink XXXX
Yeah I knew you wouldn't be seen dead with a can of that in your hand, that was the point! :evil:
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 14, 2014, 02:34:42 PM
Jail or exile,George Speight I mean I think he was tried In Unzud.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on February 15, 2014, 01:22:50 AM
Well - we're getting close.  James, I'm sure it's assoverteakettle at this point, but your fans stateside would certainly like to know where you're at at this point of the game.

Post if you can.

Chris  :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 15, 2014, 04:07:12 AM
Well.

First of all, I get called all sorts of things, but when someone calls me James, my first instinct is I'm in trouble..... However, right now , I'm feeling pretty confidant that I'm doing everything right, at least by my standards.

When I woke up this morning I felt motivated to get stuck into it. For the last few months I have felt a type of motivation, lets call it fear, but my short attention span has had me doing ten things at once and none of them well. It was two weeks yesterday that we leave, I have a full week off work before we do so that should help me nail everything. Speaking of work, that's the main reason I'm here less frequently than I used to be. I spend a lot of time on the road in the job I've now had for eighteen months and I just don't get the same amount of time sitting at a keyboard as I used to , anyway, back to the job at hand.

The new trailer needs some work to get it up to speed. We needed a license plate holder with lights, preferably one that hinged to avoid being knocked off by rocks or getting bent when we tilted the trailer.The pull out ramps needed to be set up so they met the deck at the same height as the car wont go on if there is a two inch difference.Done.

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/Mobile%20Uploads/utf-8BSU1BRzE0NTMuanBn_zps6814f1f2.jpg)

We needed a jockey wheel and I also worked out that as we always have the three foot high axle stands with us that we could use them as the stands at the front of the trailer when it was tilted, so the pipe clamp you see on the draw bar is set at the right angle to take the stand when the trailer is tiled for loading. I had to change the winch mount as it was too high and mount the roller guide for the cable. Done.

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/Mobile%20Uploads/utf-8BSU1BRzE0NTQuanBn_zpscae58069.jpg)

The underside of the deck was a bit rusty, I figured schutz was the best idea there as it wont chip off and needs minimal prep, I used white for thermodynamic reasons, where we go the ground temp is about 140F. The top of the trailer will be in white enamel for the same reason, the added bonus is it will match the tow vehicle....Done.

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/Mobile%20Uploads/utf-8BSU1BRzE0NTUuanBn_zps897c5c09.jpg)

I need a box to cover the winch, i welded one up out of .040 plate. Done

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/Mobile%20Uploads/utf-8BSU1BRzE0NTIuanBn_zps0398a30c.jpg)

Tomorrow I start on a repaint . Now I have bragged in the past about my painting skills, well not specifically about my skill in painting but more my ability to do things quickly. It avoids the basic criticism that my brother ( who taught me all sorts of things including how to back a trailer) would make ..." well, you might be slow, but you're bloody rough"

I'm not a show quality painter but I have a sense of perspective that means the job gets done. Bondo is not a dirty word here, and I have a bucket of clear so I'll be able to go buff crazy. The good news is that a friend who works for Canon has found me someone there who'll duplicate our decals, so the car should look pretty fresh...mmmmm gooo.

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/Mobile%20Uploads/utf-8BSU1BRzE0NTYuanBn_zps95e5e81f.jpg)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: tauruck on February 15, 2014, 05:07:58 AM
Would you prefer Jimmy?. :-D

It looks good and there is a lot of graft in what you did.

After all there is no racing if your trailer lets you down.

Great stuff and I wish you the best. :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 15, 2014, 02:53:32 PM
The product  is LPS 3, a solvent based wax. Very pricey in my opinion. I used it on my winch cable, PITA to get cable coated, wasted a bunch. Spraying cable is like herding cats and I have cats so I know what it's like :-D.
If I had to do it over I think I would use until the cable got bad then replace it with stainless steel cable.

Ron

Thanks Ron,after hearing that I might just spray it with silicone.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 15, 2014, 02:56:46 PM
Would you prefer Jimmy?. :-D

It looks good and there is a lot of graft in what you did.

After all there is no racing if your trailer lets you down.

Great stuff and I wish you the best. :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

Thanks Michael, that was all yesterday, I went like a man posessed. Now, how about the cricket?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: tauruck on February 15, 2014, 03:34:48 PM
I don't watch cricket but I'm glad.

Geraldine Smith is an idiot and it's good they lost.

I think the SA players are too scared to give it a go in case they get dropped.

Good on you boys. Brett Lee and Shane Warne are what the game is about IMO. :-)

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: salt27 on February 15, 2014, 10:52:34 PM
Gogs,
  Will this trailer accompany the SoS to the states?

 Don
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: aussievetteracer on February 16, 2014, 04:51:07 AM
Hi Dr. This is a bit late to be of use to you, but may help someone else having a boo peep. I have used an Aussie made 3 speed manual boat winch, with a fabric belt on the vette trailer for tarmac rallies/road racing for a few years. I have quick attach/release bolts to mount the winch, which lives in the tow vehicle. An added bonus is that the same winch operates the roll-off roof on my home built observatory. I will be in scruitneering for most of Speed Week, so hopefully will catch up with you then. (I drink Jonnie Walker- hint, hint!)
                                                                     Denis
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Bob Ellis on February 16, 2014, 05:04:30 AM
Ahhhh , Hard to pronounce , ah ,easy to drink!
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: tauruck on February 16, 2014, 05:15:30 AM
A home built observatory?. That's cool. Always wanted a telescope and still on the bucket list.

Easier than Jushtrenruini & Brooksh hey Bob?. :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: aussievetteracer on February 16, 2014, 05:35:36 AM
Yeah Mikey- I never get tired of looking at Saturn's rings, or Jupiter's moons. (No Uranus jokes please!) And I must "fess up" (bless me Father for I have sinned etc) to an ongoing obession with Mars. I know that there are fantasic photos from the Rovers available, but I get a real hoot out of seeing details, with my own eyes thro' my own telescope.
                                                                                                                                                    Denis
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: aussievetteracer on February 16, 2014, 08:02:55 AM
Re Post #4270- Just joshing. I am not a real scruit. Had a few days there last year and enjoyed it. I see it as a beaut chance to see how to build/not build a salt car. I am interested in doing whatever it takes to become a scruit., however in the meantime, any premiums to be paid ( I think there is a rule about racecars with too much yellow paint) should be addressed to chief car scruit., Bob Ellis. I think his currency is Jack Daniels.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on February 16, 2014, 12:34:02 PM
Re Post #4270- Just joshing. I am not a real scruit.


The shenanigans one tries to get a free drink.  Walk around with an empty glass wearing a pith helmet and carrying a clip board, and feign disgust with airfoil attachment points.

I kinda like it, Denis . . . I don't know that I would have tipped my hand until I'd tipped my glass - maybe on the second day.   :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 16, 2014, 04:09:16 PM
Well, you had me there. I pressed "reply" and then changed my mind a dozen times I swear, I slept fitfully until 4.30am, I'd done the sums, still I was suspicious.

It was too cheap.

I thought the buy price on the scrutineers we have dealt with up to this point was more than reasonable, a bargain no less. But a bottle of Johnny Walker?

I can get three of them for the price of a sticker on the fire extinguishers. :wink:

However I do like your description of the winch, I only need to walk past a cable winch and my hands start to bleed, after years of sticking the cut ends of guitar strings into my fingertips you'd think i'd be immune, but no, I can find the one frayed piece of wire in any cable and use it with the precision of a scalpel to open my hand up. :cry: Is the observatory at your house? Do you take a scope to lake is is it too rough on the way in. And, finally, I like arsetronomy, I love looking at heavenly bodies :-D

Don, I dunno if this trailer would fit in a container, or whether it would be practical. I kind of like the idea of visiting a car yard in LA, harassing the Mexican owner and then using his workshop through the night to make a trailer out of scrap metal and some Kelsey Hayes.
Yesterday said trailer was painted, if anyone who sees it at the lake says "it looks like it was painted by a drunk" I will be able to reply..." you have impeccable judgement, it was indeed painted by a drunk", our mate Vaughn dropped over, he'd had a few but no so much that I didn't feel obliged to press him into service with a paint brush.

Graham fitted up the rockers, the motor is ready to start. I spent most of the day on the trailer issues, started on a bearing check, painted the wheels and replaced the safety chain.

We extended the wishbone that we use to tow the car on the lake, now it sits firmly against the radius rod mounts on the axle and is longer so the tyres wont touch the rear bumper of the truck on tight turns.

On the downside the motor on my compressor carked it, that's $200 i wasn't planning on spending right now.

Over and out.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on February 16, 2014, 04:37:58 PM
We have a history of going through trailer wheels too, the colonel and I breaking two and Pete on so maybe pack a couple of hubs and spares...

I have just spent the last three days being totally blown away by the Sagrada Familia and other architectural wonders in Barcelona. All going smoothly until one of my students lost their bag today with all their documents and so he and I are staying in Barcelona until we sort it. Out as he needs a special visa to get back to the uk. Great. Just great.

I guess there are worse places to be stuck.

D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 16, 2014, 05:19:25 PM
I remember walking out of the subway at the Sagrada, and uttering a loud expletive, it is my favorite building in the world.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on February 16, 2014, 05:25:16 PM
It is my favorite too by a sizable margin. And it still has twenty years of construction to go.

Don't get me started...

But how was the colours of the light from the windows in there...?!?!
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: aussievetteracer on February 16, 2014, 06:23:21 PM
Have just re-read post #4274 in the clear light of day. What I was trying to convey is that I am just an apprentice scruit.,not a "real" one. I did sign off as the 2nd inspector, when S. of S. went through last year. Doc- the observatory is about 500 metres from the house, on the highest part of the block, with 180' clear view overhead, and about 270' clear horizon. In theory, I could bring the 8" and 16" scopes, but would probably have to realign mirrors, so not worth the aggro. Have got a smallish refractor which I will pack, if there is room. Will also bring the said winch, in case anyone is interested.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Tman on February 16, 2014, 06:24:57 PM
Have just re-read post #4274 in the clear light of day. What I was trying to convey is that I am just an apprentice scruit.,not a "real" one. I did sign off as the 2nd inspector, when S. of S. went through last year. Doc- the observatory is about 500 metres from the house, on the highest part of the block, with 180' clear view overhead, and about 270' clear horizon. In theory, I could bring the 8" and 16" scopes, but would probably have to realign mirrors, so not worth the aggro. Have got a smallish refractor which I will pack, if there is room. Will also bring the said winch, in case anyone is interested.

We have an observatory nearby, we are in one of the darkest places in the US so the views are good.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Bob Ellis on February 16, 2014, 07:36:36 PM
If you feel the need to "bribe" me , these are the preferred, currencies,,

At Lake Gairdner
(http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr146/Bobfalcon/007_zps08853107.jpg) (http://s478.photobucket.com/user/Bobfalcon/media/007_zps08853107.jpg.html)

And at Bonneville
(http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr146/Bobfalcon/008_zpsac9b91ec.jpg) (http://s478.photobucket.com/user/Bobfalcon/media/008_zpsac9b91ec.jpg.html)

Bob Ellis
DLRA Chief Car Inspector

(Kiwi Bob from Aussie-when working at B'ville Tech)

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 16, 2014, 07:38:51 PM
Have just re-read post #4274 in the clear light of day. What I was trying to convey is that I am just an apprentice scruit.,not a "real" one. I did sign off as the 2nd inspector, when S. of S. went through last year. Doc- the observatory is about 500 metres from the house, on the highest part of the block, with 180' clear view overhead, and about 270' clear horizon. In theory, I could bring the 8" and 16" scopes, but would probably have to realign mirrors, so not worth the aggro. Have got a smallish refractor which I will pack, if there is room. Will also bring the said winch, in case anyone is interested.

In life we are all apprentices.


Like the Sagrada, it's never finished.


I too need to explain my previous post. I have never given offered or even spoken about inducements with the scrutineers.

Just for the record Fat Yak, Jameson, Martini, and yes.

PS. That's what I figured Bob, and I bet you'd deny ever receiving them " ...bbbbut I gave you a "...." a what ? I don't remember ever receiving that?"
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: wobblywalrus on February 17, 2014, 12:57:54 PM
A wench is always handy on long trips.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 17, 2014, 02:07:45 PM
I'll be taking my metric wench set with me :wink:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: salt27 on February 17, 2014, 03:53:27 PM
A wench is always handy on long trips.

Especially one that will cook, clean and pack wheel bearings.   :roll:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 17, 2014, 06:01:54 PM
Packing wheel bearings.

When I am rich my life will change entirely.

Anytime I feel the need to go near wheel bearings I will buy a new set of clothes, a new set of wheel bearings, a brand new tub of grease, some gloves, and get someone else to do it.

It is the worst job to do with cracked skin. Why have I got cracked skin?, awe I dunno but thinners,guitar playing, hand cleaner and metal grit probably don't help. It wouldn't be the right preparation to go out to a dry dusty place with intense heat and lots of salt if I didn't have bleeding cracked skin on my finger tips......
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on February 17, 2014, 09:27:44 PM
If you feel the need to "bribe" me , these are the preferred, currencies,,

At Lake Gairdner
(http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr146/Bobfalcon/007_zps08853107.jpg) (http://s478.photobucket.com/user/Bobfalcon/media/007_zps08853107.jpg.html)


Bob Ellis
DLRA Chief Car Inspector

(Kiwi Bob from Aussie-when working at B'ville Tech)



So that XXXX (that's how they spell beer in Queensland)
Where do you buy that?
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Tman on February 17, 2014, 10:35:59 PM
If you feel the need to "bribe" me , these are the preferred, currencies,,

At Lake Gairdner
(http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr146/Bobfalcon/007_zps08853107.jpg) (http://s478.photobucket.com/user/Bobfalcon/media/007_zps08853107.jpg.html)

And at Bonneville
(http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr146/Bobfalcon/008_zpsac9b91ec.jpg) (http://s478.photobucket.com/user/Bobfalcon/media/008_zpsac9b91ec.jpg.html)

Bob Ellis
DLRA Chief Car Inspector

(Kiwi Bob from Aussie-when working at B'ville Tech)



Bob, I am embarrassed my fellow countrymen have bribed you with such sub-par beverages.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: salt27 on February 17, 2014, 11:43:07 PM

Bob, I am embarrassed my fellow countrymen have bribed you with such sub-par beverages.

I don't think they are too particular, they were drinking warm Miller out of the back of my truck.  :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 18, 2014, 12:11:15 AM
If you feel the need to "bribe" me , these are the preferred, currencies,,

At Lake Gairdner
(http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr146/Bobfalcon/007_zps08853107.jpg) (http://s478.photobucket.com/user/Bobfalcon/media/007_zps08853107.jpg.html)


Bob Ellis
DLRA Chief Car Inspector

(Kiwi Bob from Aussie-when working at B'ville Tech)



So that XXXX (that's how they spell beer in Queensland)
Where do you buy that?
G

No wonder the price of gold is falling....

Bob, I am embarrassed my fellow countrymen have bribed you with such sub-par beverages.

Quiet Tman, if they wanna drink that let'em.......

The amazing thing about XXXX is that they can fit something with corners on it in a cylinder :-D :-D :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: tauruck on February 18, 2014, 12:21:06 AM
Goggs, you need aqueous cream for your poor little cracked hands but they tell me XXXX works just as well. :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: aussievetteracer on February 18, 2014, 04:33:59 AM
Tman- I am not religious, but consider I am spiritual and reasonably in tune with nature. As some have said before, to experience Lake Gairdner, particularly at dawn or sunset, is a "spiritual" experience, even without the attraction of Land Racing. For anyone even remotely interested in astronomy, to view the Milky Way with zero light pollution, zero "smog" and zero cloud is mind blowing- and that's with only a couple of Johnny W's on board! If you ever care to travel to Oz., with a common interest in Land Racing and astronomy, I would be happy to accomodate you.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Tman on February 18, 2014, 08:59:31 AM
Tman- I am not religious, but consider I am spiritual and reasonably in tune with nature. As some have said before, to experience Lake Gairdner, particularly at dawn or sunset, is a "spiritual" experience, even without the attraction of Land Racing. For anyone even remotely interested in astronomy, to view the Milky Way with zero light pollution, zero "smog" and zero cloud is mind blowing- and that's with only a couple of Johnny W's on board! If you ever care to travel to Oz., with a common interest in Land Racing and astronomy, I would be happy to accomodate you.

I will get there at some point. Tim was invited to bring the truck down and run it.
Title: DLRA Speedweek 2014
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on February 20, 2014, 04:10:14 AM
Well here we go again.

Again I am unable to make it. Actually I am unable to go anywhere, I am stuck in Barcelona looking after a student who has lost his visa and Health and Safety insist I stay with him as the responsible party!

Sooooo... Sun, beaches, Sangria, a couple of cool museums and galleries for the next week or so until the Embassy can fit him in for an interview. Not a bad stuff up as far as stuff ups go, would prefer to hang out here in 19degrees C than Moscow at 5.

That said, where I really want to be is in Sunshine right now helping prep for the next run. Ahhhh... The hours of driving the dickhead filter to Gairdner letting the business of city life fall away on the roadside. No phones, no Internet, no-one who doesn't understand. In short Heaven. As Talking Heads sang, heaven is a place on earth and I reckon Lake Gairdner must be pretty close to it.

Emus, dragons and red sand, and the odd desert pea. I love her, she is in my blood.

Good luck team SOS as you go to that place, may the Gods of Speed greet you kindly.

Amen

Reverend Hedgash

Ps and keep us posted!!!
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 20, 2014, 04:28:10 AM
Beautifully put,and yes I wish you were in Sunshine too,I only have two hands and much of this week is grunt work.

I think there is a string( rather than a chain) of these places
http://www.laparadeta.com (http://www.laparadeta.com)

Go and eat there and quit yer whingin'  :wink:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: tauruck on February 20, 2014, 04:46:15 AM
Methinks the Reverend doth protest too much!!! :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on February 20, 2014, 08:19:17 AM
After a few more days---when they run out of money--  :wink:   

they will "find" the missing papers in the Rev's back pocket most likely
Title: Re: DLRA Speedweek 2014
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on February 20, 2014, 10:33:10 AM
As Talking Heads sang, heaven is a place on earth and I reckon Lake Gairdner must be pretty close to it.


Punk Pop Primer

"Heaven, heaven is a place, a place where nothing, nothing ever happens"  - David Byrne

I think you're thinking Belinda Carlisle . . .

Who DID play for the Germs - but that was an LA thing, and will be covered in the Biafra readings.

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: tauruck on February 20, 2014, 11:28:32 AM
One thing I love about Sparky is that he tells it like it is. :cheers: :-D :evil:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 20, 2014, 01:11:20 PM
After a few more days---when they run out of money-- :wink:  they will "find" the missing papers in the Rev's back pocket most likely
Yeah,tough but fair assessment Bill.
First day of holidays here ,woke up at 4am ,here we go, here we go her we go. This time next week we'll be hitting the road.
Title: Re: DLRA Speedweek 2014
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 20, 2014, 01:14:55 PM

I think you're thinking Belinda Carlisle . . .

He's right you know....... :wink:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 20, 2014, 10:31:22 PM
We thought of you today Dik, we had chorizos in your honour,on the BBQ....
Title: Re: DLRA Speedweek 2014
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on February 21, 2014, 04:08:54 PM
As Talking Heads sang, heaven is a place on earth and I reckon Lake Gairdner must be pretty close to it.


Punk Pop Primer

"Heaven, heaven is a place, a place where nothing, nothing ever happens"  - David Byrne

I think you're thinking Belinda Carlisle . . .

Who DID play for the Germs - but that was an LA thing, and will be covered in the Biafra readings.



Gee how embarrassing. You are right. I blame the Sangria...
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 21, 2014, 05:23:54 PM


Gee how embarrassing. You are right. I blame the Sangria...

Yeah, don't blame it on the Sunshine.. :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 26, 2014, 04:28:18 AM
just knocked off for the day. Five days straight and one more to go before we leave. The car is on the trailer, so is most of the heavy stuff. hoist, stands, pit shade metal, push bar.

I've set up for four jerry cans on the trailer.

The Colonel has already taken the suit and safety gear as well as the race tyres. I've fueled up and checked the tyre pressures. Tomorrow it's food clothes, tools and tent, then Friday morning we're off.....

Got these today, got some in white on navy too...

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/Mobile%20Uploads/utf-8BSU1BRzE0NzcuanBn_zps635c560f.jpg)[/URL]
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: generatorshovel on February 26, 2014, 04:59:46 AM
Got these today, got some in white on navy too...

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/Mobile%20Uploads/utf-8BSU1BRzE0NzcuanBn_zps635c560f.jpg)[/URL]

I'll have a white whoppa James, without the red runners plz
Tiny
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: aussievetteracer on February 26, 2014, 06:06:19 AM
(From a caravan park in Broken Hill- with my Landcruiser, camper trailer, and a bottle of JOHNNIES) I didn't manage to fit the telescope in, but do have "the said winch"  See you in scrutineering Dr. G
                                                                                                               Denis
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on February 26, 2014, 09:58:35 AM
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/Mobile%20Uploads/utf-8BSU1BRzE0NzcuanBn_zps635c560f.jpg)[/URL]

It just dawned on me . . .

Sun Records!

AWESOME INSPIRATION!

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 26, 2014, 02:29:25 PM

It just dawned on me . . .

Sun Records!

AWESOME INSPIRATION!


Hmm ,so am I today's rooster?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on February 27, 2014, 11:46:28 PM
do not know if I can find them-- but at one time had several,

45 SUN RECORDS   :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: twodear on February 28, 2014, 04:55:26 PM
Best of luck guys! And I'll have one of those T's - white on navy in XXL.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on March 05, 2014, 08:27:49 AM
I was hoping to write an update on the event in Australia but there has been very little info coming out.

Essentially they are running but the track is slightly soft in places with a few spins due to tyre track marks.

That's about it! Nothing on SOS as yet...

Dik
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on March 05, 2014, 09:53:21 AM
So we've changed our location to Spain, have we?
 :roll:
Okay, Rev - it's been 2 weeks.  Either the consulate in Barcelona is completely inept - and seeing as my sister used to own an American barbecue restaurant in Torremolinos, I won't discount that possibility - or you're really not looking too hard to recover those papers.  :cheers: 
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on March 05, 2014, 11:55:11 AM
Ha! You have caught me out... but alas it is true I am back in the sunny midlands having spent only an extra week in Spain. My student however is not and having met the embassy yesterday after waiting two weeks they have told him to wait another 48 hours before their decision. This is all to simply replace a visa that was lost not to apply to get one! Bureaucracy... beautiful.

d
Title: Speedweek 2014 reports
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on March 06, 2014, 05:00:36 AM
Ok, I have found a report:

From Offroading Online:

We were at the lake on Sunday, Monday and Tuesday and returned home on Wednesday.
Monday warmish, Tuesday very, very *&^% warmish and Wednesday a 30 knot plus side wind on the way home, probably stronger at the lake. Intended to get a few more details but overheated on Tuesday afternoon and took it easy. (read rehydrated in the shade). Both myself and offsider are old farts and after last year we were making sure to look after ourselves.
The track layout is fantastic, with the Long Track very close to the pits. You can park in the pits and watch both the Long and GPS Track. At the canteen you got a good view of the Long Track. Great commentating over Channel 8, very informative. Management were using a closed channel so we didn't get an insight into what was going on behind the scenes, however the event appeared organised with a few hitches, but everyone seemed to have had a run on their chosen track. One thing was obvious and that was that the support vehicles were organised, ready and properly equipped compared to last year.
Team Slaughter was having issues staying on the track. Had a few runs but off the track a couple of times.
FlatAttack Racing spent Monday in scrutineering, issues on Tuesday morning and on the trailer on Tuesday afternoon. Did not appear happy.
A number of records have been broken, but will wait for the DLRA to officially announce.
No crashes or known injuries to competitors, a few heat related issues on Tuesday.
Tuesday at approx. 4.00pm the Long Track was closed as it was deemed to be becoming unsafe and organisers started moving the track. Had a quick look on Wednesday morning at 9.30 and it appeared to be closed.
GPS track was up and going both days. A quick line up with many doing laps and having a ball. Great organisation at the start of both tracks and a big thank you to the DLRA crew for their assistance. Great co-operation from the DLRA with myself and offsider.
The salt was wetter than last year with wet salt on the bottom of the tarp when we pulled it up.
DirtComp Magazine will have coverage in the next issue; Offroading Online Magazine will have a ten page spread in the next issue, will post more photos here and on the Offroading Online Magazine page.
Cheers Danny
Title: News report
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on March 06, 2014, 05:20:53 AM
Here is a seven news report on Trevor Slaughter's run:

http://au.news.yahoo.com/sa/video/watch/21855113/spirits-high-in-speed-record-chase/

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on March 06, 2014, 05:50:10 AM
Report from Kim Krebs from Greg:

DLRA Speedweek update.
I just spoke with Greg Watters, who's back in phone reception and 160km into his 1300km trip home. He says the salt this year was very soft and became easily rutted which was a nightmare for the bikes (as Shane Gaghan had already told). This was also seen by the cars that were spinning too easily. The winds were frequently strong and were not always an agreeable tailwind.
He's not sure why, but entries were down on previous years, so it was possible to get 2-3 runs a day, but given the deteriorating salt conditions, Greg didn't think many people would be lining up for the last day of racing tomorrow.
And the super news from all of that is that the trip to Lake Gairdner was just what Greg needed.. With the fire destruction of earlier in February now behind him, he's ready to start rebuilding bikes for Bonneville.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: PJQ on March 06, 2014, 06:44:31 PM
Another smidgen of NEWS. There was a late night truck repair on the way to the lake. Dirty Dave put the call out for 302 Ford parts after they snapped a rocker bolt doing a head gasket replacement.

No info on the SOS yet.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on March 06, 2014, 10:46:56 PM
I guess I'm getting rather jaded. Are there no satellites in the Southern Hemisphere?  :? Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Sumner on March 07, 2014, 12:21:50 AM
I guess I'm getting rather jaded. Are there no satellites in the Southern Hemisphere?  :? Wayno

The other thing of note is that during Speed Week more than 1/2 the participants and probably 3/4's or more of the spectators would of already been back home after the first 3-4 days of running.  Those guys all seem to stay to the very end.  Good on them  :cheers:,

Sum
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 07, 2014, 01:08:02 AM
Best run 204.xxx,swapped the diff ran slower as it began to miss, I tell you the test when we get home,yes there are sattelites in the s hemisphere.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on March 07, 2014, 04:38:50 AM
Ouch. Look forward to the report. Glad to presume you are safe and well even though the car sounds sick.

This will mean no Bonneville this year for the Spirit of Sunshine but there is always next year!!!

dik
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Koncretekid on March 07, 2014, 06:34:00 AM
..................,yes there are sattelites in the s hemisphere.
Yes, but like your Southern Cross, we can't see them from the northern hemisphere!
Tom
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 07, 2014, 06:40:43 AM
Bunked at the Colonial Motel in Morgan SA. Truck has lost low beam and I got tired of using the indicator to see the white line whenever there was an approaching vehicle. I washed the outside of the truck and trailer but even though we had a shower at the 'Gutta we're filthy again because the inside was so dusty.

The track was poor,we learnt stuff and now have some more dots we can put on a graph.

Numbers were down so for those who could there was up to four runs a day on the main track.

We ran three times.

On my first run I.............
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on March 07, 2014, 08:09:37 AM
...fluffed the gear change!!???
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Sumner on March 07, 2014, 10:25:45 AM
Ouch. Look forward to the report. Glad to presume you are safe and well even though the car sounds sick.

This will mean no Bonneville this year for the Spirit of Sunshine but there is always next year!!!

dik

Hey B'ville is still 5 months away  8-),

Sum
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: tauruck on March 07, 2014, 11:29:54 AM
Go to Bonneville.

You need to no matter what. :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on March 07, 2014, 12:03:43 PM
3 months of that is on a boat though...

d
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Freud on March 07, 2014, 12:06:26 PM
You will get a massive amount of help if you can get here.

Take the chance.

FREUD
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on March 07, 2014, 02:13:52 PM
You need to know you're making the numbers before making the leap of faith & spending that kinda coin.... unless it's somebody else's coin! :roll:
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on March 07, 2014, 03:15:10 PM
 :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Freud on March 07, 2014, 11:29:02 PM
Have you tested the valve springs?

FREUD
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on March 08, 2014, 01:51:51 AM
Well
the car was having some issues,
It was running rich for the first run until the end where it ran a bit lean,the Doc will explain
Turns out it wouldn't pull the 2:14s. who would've thought
so we changed the gear set.
final run , still running rich, ran well in the first mile, broke down in the second mile, picked up in the third
looks like the battery isolator switch was causing some problems and the rotation sensor has failed as
it wouldn't start when we got it back to the pits.
probably will not be taking it to Bonneville this year unless the post office delivers a bucket of money
Home now, sunburned and tired, emptying the van and washing the salt off
Our main sponsor (only sponsor) supplied us with a reflective cover to put over the tank that kept it cool in the sun
Oh and it looks like I'm chief motorcycle steward again  for another year.
And your President, well the SCTA president, Scott Andrews dropped by for a look and a couple of Tim Tam Slams
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Sumner on March 08, 2014, 11:56:25 AM
....probably will not be taking it to Bonneville this year unless the post office delivers a bucket of money....

Don't know about the post office, but PayPal might if you setup a donation account.  I'd put some into it to see you guys and the car over here next summer,

Sum

P.S. Thanks for the race report also....
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on March 08, 2014, 01:17:17 PM
Speaking of seeing some of the Aussie folks -- when I turned the (Huntimer) calendar to March the other day I was greeted with a photo of Wayno's tank being pushed by a couple of people, one of whom, on closer inspection, turned out to be Goggles hisself.  You're even more famouser than ever, JS, so you need to be here this August to have additional photos taken.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 08, 2014, 03:13:05 PM
Speaking of seeing some of the Aussie folks -- when I turned the (Huntimer) calendar to March the other day I was greeted with a photo of Wayno's tank being pushed by a couple of people, one of whom, on closer inspection, turned out to be Goggles hisself.  You're even more famouser than ever, JS, so you need to be here this August to have additional photos taken.

I was only there because Lindsay Lohan was otherwise engaged despite promising to push, I'm one of the third tier pseudo celebs that he keeps on standby.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: maj on March 08, 2014, 04:39:25 PM
Sometimes you need to make the leap of faith to get the numbers
From what we found with my mates bike this year and seeing others speeds i think speeds in general were down due to the soft salt
there was nearly 2" of soft ,so soft  that if you rubbed your foot in some places  you could displace the salt , a shovel could have dug a hole
moisture has nowhere to go , out at the sandbar near the entry point the thin salt felt better , but was mud underneath
Dirt under the Bonneville salt does not let this happen , makes for a much better chance of running with the exception of last years continual showers and storms

Your gearing may not have been as bad as you think

Doc think seriously about planning the trip,
Organise a dyno in SLC and tune at the altitude before the meet with the fuel you want to run
you will gain several Aussie years of experiance in one meeting , and no doubt get a lot of help
Its the sort of thing where you make the decision and do it, waiting till you achieve certain goals could take another 10 yrs
The spirit could stay more than one year and save transport costs   
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Koncretekid on March 08, 2014, 04:58:38 PM
Well,the car was having some issues,
Turns out it wouldn't pull the 2:14s. Who would've thought, so we changed the gear set.
G

Yes, who would've thunk it!

"Re: Australian Belly Tank
« Reply #4190 on: January 18, 2014, 06:47:16 AM »
   
Is 208 your target speed?  If so, I'd grab the 2.28 or the 2.41.   I think you'll lose too much hp when you shift into high gear, and never recover."

Hind sight is always 20-20.  I sure admire your belly tanker; wish that it were mine!

Tom
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 08, 2014, 05:08:28 PM
What we got was points on a graph ,that we didn't have before, we hit an aero wall albeit at a much lower power than we would like but when I find the dyno graph I will know what it makes at 5280 and know that that is how much drag the car has at 204mph...stop distracting me I should be doing the weeks story. :wink:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Koncretekid on March 08, 2014, 05:15:02 PM
I apologize for distracting you!. Bring it to Bonneville and git 'er done!  Probably even pull the 2.14!
T
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 08, 2014, 05:23:11 PM
Trying not to give away the plot line before I write it,that's all.

Looks like the engine dump figure at 5300rpm was about 272hp
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on March 08, 2014, 06:35:30 PM
Scott Horner races at Bville and other venues and runs his shop - HeadsUp Performance - in SLC.  URL to his new(to me) website is  http://headsupturbos.com/  His dyno is a bike-only dyno -- but I wouldn't be surprised if he knows of a car dyno that you could use.  He builds sand rails -- don't know if he can dyno them on some kind of chassis machine that I haven't seen.  Shall I ask him for you?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on March 08, 2014, 07:02:00 PM
On friday morning, I went out to rescue two bikes, one of them was Jeff Lemon who broke a gearbox (fastest speed throwing up in a helmet at Bonneville) the other was Chris Bryson who got bogged at the 9 mile on the course.
the salt was soft

G

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: wobblywalrus on March 08, 2014, 08:37:39 PM
A year when you learn things is not wasted. 
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on March 08, 2014, 09:58:27 PM
Yeah. Stop distracting him. I'll do it. You can leave the SOS at my house or Gus's house.  :cheers: Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on March 09, 2014, 05:55:50 AM
"... Ran rich and then ran lean...." and Dr googles will explain...

I have been enjoying watching reruns of Columbo on British tv (better than the endless reruns of Murder She Wrote) and the inner detective is sensing the crime committed.

Did someone not fill the tank with petrol??? Did you run out of fuel on a run?!?

....?

Senior Detective Hedgash
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on March 09, 2014, 10:08:48 AM
You can always test an engine on a dyno.

For this year, the re-work on the front end is probably more important.  Is it tracking straight?  On bad salt, did the car feel confident?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on March 09, 2014, 12:01:47 PM
Yeah. Stop distracting him. I'll do it. You can leave the SOS at my house or Gus's house.  :cheers: Wayno

Sounds like a plan
Oh, and happy birthday Wayno
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on March 09, 2014, 12:43:59 PM
Thanx Grumm. It is however not 'til next Friday.  :cheers: Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on March 10, 2014, 11:26:34 AM
It sure is sounding sweet from the cheap seats -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMWPu5BjWZM

I'm trying to listen past the Doppler effect.  That seems like a steep shift into high - pitch dropped almost a major 5th.

1.23 3rd gear?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 10, 2014, 03:47:04 PM
1.23? I wish, 1.32 from memory,sold to me as a 1.25 :cry:.... A close ratio box is so obviously needed when you're in the basement ratios that we were running last week.

The empty pit with the shade cloth in the foreground of the shot after I go past is the salubrious SOS pit,not quite the WGB.........
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on March 10, 2014, 04:53:21 PM
OUCH - That's a steep hole to pull out of.

You may well have had enough power, but simply fell off of the table on the gear change.

Engine sounded good from a distance - wasn't shooting ducks, anyway.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: salt27 on March 10, 2014, 04:54:56 PM
Goggs,
          Where's the report we've been so patiently waiting for?

You will be at B-ville SOS or not, right.

Back to work for you.   :-D

 Don
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 10, 2014, 05:46:31 PM
Patience? You young bucks obviously have a different understanding of the word. I have fifteen hundred words and I'm only up to the first run :wink:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 10, 2014, 05:49:51 PM
OUCH - That's a steep hole to pull out of.

You may well have had enough power, but simply fell off of the table on the gear change.

Engine sounded good from a distance - wasn't shooting ducks, anyway.

Yeah,it never seemed that big before, I changed at 176mph....then ,meh........
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stan Back on March 10, 2014, 08:41:14 PM
Give us chapters on the story, we don't need it all at once.  Will build up the drama!
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Sumner on March 10, 2014, 08:42:24 PM
OUCH - That's a steep hole to pull out of.

You may well have had enough power, but simply fell off of the table on the gear change.

Engine sounded good from a distance - wasn't shooting ducks, anyway.

Yeah,it never seemed that big before, I changed at 176mph....then ,meh........

So then did you get to try one of the lower gear ratios?

Sum
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: stay`tee on March 10, 2014, 09:26:48 PM
for what its worth Goggs, on that 204 pass i watched you go by the pits and thought to self, "he's up against it",,
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on March 10, 2014, 10:39:33 PM
It did 186.955 with the 2:14's on Tuesday
It did 204.07 with the 2:14's on Wednsday
then 179:272 with the 2.28's on Thursday

Was running rich off it's tree all week (Aussie expression)
and I am fairly confidant that the Battery Isolator died during thursday's run
We also had some other odd failures that we fixed during the week
and there aren't many photo's because our sponsor, Competition Coatings in Coburg, gave us a really nice
silver foil cover to put over the car to keep it cool. Last year, by thursday morning, the car was too hot to touch.
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: salt27 on March 10, 2014, 10:49:59 PM
Grumm, Were you able to smear Copper Cote on Goggles arse again?   :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 11, 2014, 01:43:40 AM
Grumm, Were you able to smear Copper Coat on Goggles arse again?   :cheers:

Good spelling Don,and no........

Sum, we have run, 205@2.56:1@6350rpm  215@2.41:1@6350rpm
179@2.28:1 * failed run
204@2.14:1 @5285rpm
             
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: salt27 on March 11, 2014, 01:56:46 AM
Good spelling Don,and no........         


oops   :roll:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on March 11, 2014, 03:43:34 AM
Grumm, Were you able to smear Copper Cote on Goggles arse again?   :cheers:

What smear, I have it in a spray can
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on March 11, 2014, 10:37:23 AM
Doc G, lets talk about shift points and the runs in a little more detail...
Did the car rev and pull to 6300 in all the gears except hi?  Sounds like you were fighting the engine a little?  Do you think it would pull the gear is it was running right? 
Wait, let me get a beer.... ok we are ready for the long explanation...  :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Sumner on March 11, 2014, 11:06:20 AM
Since you only have 2.41, 2.28 and 2.14's to choose from and can't change transmission ratios I'd for sure go with the 2.28's until you run out of gear with those or the 2.41's if a different cam and higher rpms are a possibility (probably better rods and valve-train are required for that though). 

I think we already had this discussion a ways back...

http://www.landracing.com/forum/index.php/topic,862.4185.html (http://www.landracing.com/forum/index.php/topic,862.4185.html)

Above 200 the HP needed is going to really start jumping and I feel the 2.14's are just not going to work until you put a turbo on that motor  :-D  :cheers:,

Sum
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on March 11, 2014, 05:33:13 PM
Here's a quick analysis from what I was able to glean from Mark's spread sheet and Doc's info, and incorporating Sumner's spread sheet.

w/2.14s @5285 we’re at 204
Spread sheet says 5307=205

5285/5307=.9959
204/205=.9951

We’re talking .08% difference, so we can eliminate any slip in the drivetrain, and reasonably assume any other numbers we generate should be accurate.

The Purple line was the power band used in 4th with 2.14s.

The Australian Non-Lucas Electronic Yellow line was the power band used in 4th with 2.41s.

(http://i361.photobucket.com/albums/oo58/milwaukeemidget/graph_zpse637b5df.jpg) (http://s361.photobucket.com/user/milwaukeemidget/media/graph_zpse637b5df.jpg.html)

In short, you spent less time in the area where the power was hanging out.

What IS good news is that by hitting the wall with NO WHEEL SLIP, we can take the HP figure at that RPM and calculate your drag coefficient.

 :cheers:


Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 11, 2014, 07:33:19 PM
You're all saying what I am thinking, yes,yes,yes and yes. No new info here.

What I am struggling with is making posts stick ,I have lost four and it is annoying me.

Edit: hooray! This one stuck.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Sumner on March 11, 2014, 09:23:27 PM
If the engine was running the same I just think you threw too tall a gear at it and it wouldn't pull it as your HP was too low at the lower rpms.

I have the same problem with my truck.  Runs right up to 122 in 3rd.  Go into overdrive and it will take it a mile to get to 130+ since the rpms dropped below 4000 and I"m out of the power band,

Sum
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 11, 2014, 09:51:49 PM
Had it not broken down with the 2.28 in it we would have had a much better idea of where we were at,Que sera....or should it be OK Sara?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 11, 2014, 10:12:45 PM

That's 21% less than a linear relationship.

speed/drag ain't a linear relationship is it.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: wobblywalrus on March 11, 2014, 11:29:31 PM
It seems like the 2.28 ratio is best at this time based on what is posted.  It is time to move to taller gearing when the engine can pull around 6,300 to 6,500 with 2.28. 
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on March 12, 2014, 03:13:35 AM
Thanks for all the info everyone. Something no-one has mentioned is rolling resistance. With the softer salt I would imagine this would have a big affect on potential top speed. As a bicycle rider, I have noticed how if my tyres are even slightly flat I need a different gear to get up the local hill due to the extra rolling resistance.

It seems everyone was having lower speeds because of this and so we should not forget to factor this in.

Rev H+
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: maj on March 12, 2014, 03:57:19 AM
Yep i was hearing a few comments from the bike guys that the first measured mile was like you put the brakes on ,
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on March 12, 2014, 04:18:23 AM
You know it was fine when I ran in the van
First mile     100.053
Second mile 100.053
Third Mile    100.054

Oh and that's kilometers  per
Ok, it's not that fast but at least I know my speedo is accurate   8-)
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 12, 2014, 06:41:18 PM
Squirmy is how I would describe the track, it felt like driving into a few inches of water at times. The tank is about as easy a drive as you'd get I reckon,you can feel any movement and because it's so stiff there is no strain and release sensation. This year was the first time I've used first off the line and it stepped out a bit but it just snaps back . Yes, I think the track was slow both because of the poor traction and higher rolling resistance.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on March 13, 2014, 10:54:59 PM
Thanx Grumm. It is however not 'til next Friday.  :cheers: Wayno

Hey Wayno
Happy birthday
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on March 14, 2014, 01:15:44 AM
Thanx Grumm. It is however not 'til next Friday.  :cheers: Wayno

Hey Wayno
Happy birthday
G

I went out and bought myself something for your birthday . . .

(http://i361.photobucket.com/albums/oo58/milwaukeemidget/DSCN5346_zps18e09bfe.jpg) (http://s361.photobucket.com/user/milwaukeemidget/media/DSCN5346_zps18e09bfe.jpg.html)

Thanks for providing the excuse.

Bring harps in August.

Happy Birthday, Wayno! :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 14, 2014, 02:10:42 AM
Excuse my ignorance,but,what is it?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on March 14, 2014, 03:37:28 AM
Excuse my ignorance,but,what is it?

Looks a lot like a guitar
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on March 14, 2014, 08:37:43 AM
That's what I would have guessed, too. :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on March 14, 2014, 10:07:37 AM
Excuse my ignorance,but,what is it?

Don't feel bad - they only produced 300 of them.

It's a Gibson Les Paul Music City Jr. with a factory Joe Glaser B-Bender.

Rocks like a Paul, twangs like a Tele.

I figured if it was Wayno's Birthday, I should get myself something nice . . .
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on March 14, 2014, 11:07:18 AM
Well in honor of Wayno's birthday I have a present for Dr. G...
Back story... was searching through my tshirts for something to wear to a Mardi Gras (a religious holiday) party and ran across this one... didn't wear it to the party, chose a purple Mardi Gras '95 shirt instead...

But it seems like a shirt the good Dr. should have.... and besides, I won't miss 1 shirt in thousands since I forgot it was even there.
  
And Chris, a good old boy would send him that old guitar... he is sort of a musician  :-D (note musical part of shirt)

So should I send it to you or do you want to pick it up at the salt?

edit: well shit... they were displayed correctly on the computer... OK guys turn your monitor on its side.... no Wayno, not that side, that makes them upside down, the other side  :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on March 14, 2014, 12:18:36 PM
What were the chances?  :? 1 in two I guess.  :lol:  :cheers: Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Freud on March 14, 2014, 12:39:13 PM
Just turning them on their side didn't make them any bigger.

Wayno, turn your monitor back now.

FREUD
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 14, 2014, 08:09:40 PM
Excuse my ignorance,but,what is it?

It's a Gibson Les Paul Music City Jr. with a factory Joe Glaser B-Bender.

Ah, three knobs, those pickups :cheers:

Well in honor of Wayno's birthday I have a present for Dr. G...
Back story... was searching through my tshirts for something to wear to a Mardi Gras (a religious holiday) party and ran across this one... didn't wear it to the party, chose a purple Mardi Gras '95 shirt instead...

But it seems like a shirt the good Dr. should have.... and besides, I won't miss 1 shirt in thousands since I forgot it was even there.

What are you implying Bob?......I sense a certain besmirchment of my character here :roll:
 

So should I send it to you or do you want to pick it up at the salt?

I'll wear it, and spend a whole day, mute, following you around and just tapping you on the shoulder everytime someone starts talking to you....
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: jl222 on March 14, 2014, 10:34:10 PM
Thanx Grumm. It is however not 'til next Friday.  :cheers: Wayno

Hey Wayno
Happy birthday
G

I went out and bought myself something for your birthday . . .

(http://i361.photobucket.com/albums/oo58/milwaukeemidget/DSCN5346_zps18e09bfe.jpg) (http://s361.photobucket.com/user/milwaukeemidget/media/DSCN5346_zps18e09bfe.jpg.html)

Thanks for providing the excuse.

Bring harps in August.

Happy Birthday, Wayno! :cheers:

  Well...lets here something :-D

                JL222
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on March 14, 2014, 11:23:08 PM

What are you implying Bob?......I sense a certain besmirchment of my character here :roll:
 

Dr. G, besmirchment.... never.... I would consider it an honor for a man of your character to wear on of my old FBI party shirts....  :roll: there was nary a sober moment on the Magic Bus, the music blasting, the liquor flowing... ah to be young like you again....  :roll:
While I can't remember what the Krewe of SOS was.... hey, I was drinking... I am sure a Krewe is part of a religious organization since it is a group that is organized for Marti Gras celebration.  :-D

   
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Riot patrol 1 on March 14, 2014, 11:27:27 PM
F1 practice today for the Melbourne GP, major aero changes for this season, including SOS style rear engine/ gearbox cover and single exhaust outlet, probably just a coincidence give F1 teams have $10 million aero budgets and Sunshine Racing invested 4 hours and a broken hacksaw blade on a design that just looked right. Oh and F1 has switched to fuel injected V6, another coincidence ?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Speed Limit 1000 on March 15, 2014, 12:44:40 AM
www.swlamardigras.com

SOS= Save our Strays :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on March 15, 2014, 04:05:08 AM
F1 practice today for the Melbourne GP, major aero changes for this season, including SOS style rear engine/ gearbox cover and single exhaust outlet, probably just a coincidence give F1 teams have $10 million aero budgets and Sunshine Racing invested 4 hours and a broken hacksaw blade on a design that just looked right. Oh and F1 has switched to fuel injected V6, another coincidence ?

Ha! There are some correlations... could be another spygate! I must admit I am a F1 tragic and have been guilty myself of endlessly pouring over their designs in efforts to achieve performance success. The trick though is they are not designed to go fast outright, but have compromising rules they need to overcome so it is tricky. Their single exhaust this year is to slow them down not speed them up!

I am waiting now for the qualifying, very excited for this new season. Go Daniel Ricciardo.

Goggles, where is that race report? It's passing its window of interest...

rH+
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: tauruck on March 15, 2014, 03:35:06 PM
With all the new noses the only one that worked is attached to Ricciardo's face. :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on March 15, 2014, 04:18:17 PM
With all the new noses the only one that worked is attached to Ricciardo's face. :-D

Yeah I wondered if he needed a special helmet for that, it's fantastic.

D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 15, 2014, 05:33:52 PM
We had Highway to Hell blasting, we were on the western side of Renmark and had been making good time. There'd been a momentary hitch and a moment of levity when we stopped at the quarantine roadblock for fruit at the beginning of the Riverland. I still had some of my home grown peaches in a bucket...."can I eat one now?"...."No you can't , too late, do you have any other fruit and vegetables?"...."No , we don't " I said. " I need to look in the back"....There are a couple of issues with the top tailgate on the F100, firstly, it doesn't lock, secondly, the struts don't hold it up, but third, and most importantly, if you lift it too high it falls out. The fruit inspector was very keen to look in the back, which was jam packed with tools and camping gear, but first he'd have to deal with the tailgate.. By my estimation he grabbed it with both hands and lifted it quickly. We hadn't yet got our feet on the ground when we heard a loud "CONK" which was the sound of the tailgate pivoting in his hands and striking him squarely on the forehead. My nephew Tom and i arrived at the back of the truck from opposite sides to see the inspector resting the tailgate on the ground and rubbing his head, he looked a little ticked off.

"So, are you fellas going to fix that?" I asked. He shoved it at me, so i repeated the question. He handed it to me and walked off. It appeared the inspection was over. We put the tailgate back on with funereal expressions. We laughed for a good three minutes solid as we drove away.

AC/DC at dangerous volume, but through it, at the top of a long third gear hill I heard a noise, a sharp clattering , we turned onto the Goyder Highway and I began looking for somewhere to pull over, power was down, the beast was wounded. As I stood with my head under the bonnet a car pulled up, "are you OK?" "Yeah, we should be right "I said hopefully, "you've got a long way to go"....he'd recognized the bellytank, he was going where we were going.

We weren't right. We'd blown a head gasket, punched out the fire rings between 2 and 3 on the right bank, We sat at a roadside stop and I thought to myself that this year I'd really blown it, that I wasn't going to make it, that the manic period of preparation, which was barely enough , was wasted and now I had an expensive problem in the middle of nowhere.

I didn't know exactly what was wrong but I knew I could do about 50k's an hour and that giving up was not the answer, whatever the question was. We set off at about 7pm heading west without a real plan. After an hour I rang Dirty Dave who was coming to the salt and lives in the Barossa, we changed course and went south, 170km's to our oasis. We saw 100km/h down a hill at one point but mostly it was 40-50k's, it took three and a half hours. We got to Dave's just before midnight.

Dave had planned to leave at sun-up the next day with his friend Miles in Dave's beat up old Hi-Ace. With a bunch of phone calls, some expert opinion and some hard yakka we had it back together by about 7pm Saturday. Then, after starting it and doing a pretension of the head bolts I broke a rocker stud. We sourced another one ten minutes away , but while fitting it I bent a push rod, we got another, and a spare from Johnno again, this time we had it together and we could leave. We'd originally taken the route up the Calder after getting a text from Graham "the Colonel", it read "roadworks, roadworks, roadworks" and referred to the western highway, it's a shorter way but also includes the Pentland Hills, a few of my cars had died there, so the Calder via Mildura had been confirmed by Damian Moylan, a truck driver as the better way to go to Port Augusta, especially when towing. So much for that plan, we were now in the Barossa and the road to "the Gutta" was up hill and down dale for the first hundred and fifty k's.

When we pulled over for the first look at the motor I had jammed something up under my right thumb nail, the next day it was sore but today it was swollen and angry, anytime it touched something I jumped, so, a suspect motor and a septic thumb, just the right combo to be heading out to the desert for a week.

We got to Port Augusta by midday and spent an hour shopping and refueling. Dave had stopped at the first place that had gas.." yeah, we're the only place that has gas on a Sunday here"....it smelt like rotten chicken and she looked like she hated everyone. Dave paid 65 bucks for a small cylinder, the next place, and the two after that had gas, Dave, needless to say made light of it. We split up for shopping and agreed to meet "at the dirt", the point where you turn off the bitumen at Iron Knob and head west 165km's to Lake Gairdner.

It's always a great feeling leaving Port Augusta, it's where the desert really begins and you can't help but be awed by the size and age of this tired old landscape.

We arrived at the dirt and start the last checks securing everything and tying a tarp over the car to protect it from stone damage. Mike Davidson, club Dry Lake Racers of Australia club member number one arrived with his brand new streamliner "Flatattack", he's a seasoned campaigner but he didn't look well. He was talking to me as I checked the tie-downs, one of them snapped back and hit me squarely on the end of my rotten thumb, a ball of pus oozed out. I broke off the conversation as my body pushed out an allover sweat, I felt ill, it hurt like it had been smashed with a hammer. I'd been soaking it in peroxide on the drive from the Gutta, so now at least some of the pressure was relieved.

The drive in was much as always, nearly three hours of corrugated, dusty unmade road, we hit a washout about half an hour in that bounced the trailer off. It stayed on the chains and didn't damage anything. We arrived lakeside at 6pm to be told we couldn't drive on til the next day, we set up camp and shuffled down a few beers, hot and tired. We started early and got the rig out onto the lake by 7, pitting next to Tiny and Wilso who'd saved a spot for us and Chris Bryson, or as we call him, "Maxwell Smart". We spent the rest of the day preparing the pit and the car, much of it cleaning the dust from the drive in, removing the transport tires and fitting the safety gear. We had a new trailer this year and it vastly improved the loading/unloading procedure. We got through tech with just a few issues, no brakes.....We had to bleed the brake system which consists of drum brakes on the rear, apart from that we were ready to roll.

We had changed the final gearing of the car from 2013's 2.41:1 to 2.14:1 skipping the 2.28 gear set we had. Last year we ran 215.041mph(348km/h). We figured that 2.14 would be too tall, but if the car wouldn't pull it that it would give us an accurate idea of the cars total drag which we as yet hadn't been able to calculate..

This is the fourth year we had had the car there, and I now know that I need at least one run to get over the willies, it's always the second run when I seem to be able to commit to just mashing it. This year was the first year we have used first gear off the start line, the car stepped out to the right as I booted it, then again when I shifted into second, I wasn't thinking straight and changed too early, at 155mph instead of the planned 175, it bogged and accelerated slowly, tick tick tick on the mph, it got into the 180's and started to take off but at 190 it died. I still had a little power but nothing useable, I turned off at the five mile. When I pulled up I was too close to the second track and had smoke billowing from the cowl. The fire crew wanted to hit it with extinguishers, I said no and they waited. For my trouble I got a yellow sticker" CONCERN: BURNING OIL". We had to tear the car down in order to satisfy the scrutineers,the smoke was from oil that had soaked into the fiberglass exhaust wrapping during last year's diff change, while we had it apart we found that I'd also broken the 1st/2nd gear selector, the manager of the Mt I've station offered to lend is the part we needed from his eleven year old daughters Holden Ute, in the end we drilled a hole in the selector, tapped a thread and screwed the selector back together. The offer of the part was above and beyond but we were pretty sure we didn't want to be back under a Ute putting it's gearbox back together on Friday afternoon when we wanted to be driving home. In all it took about three hours and we had the car reassembled. Chief scrutineer Bob Ellis signed off on the sticker and we were free to line up again. We'd kept the same 2.14 gearing in the diff after realizing I had simply run out of fuel on the first run, yes, at 190mph I simply ran out of fuel.

We were nearly out of the pits when we turned back, and filled the tank with premium unleaded.

It was Wednesday, we had to get some track time. Like last year when it came to the second run I was more than ready to go, the trepidation of the first run was gone. Tom had been elected as the man to close the canopy as he seemed to be the only one other than me who had the knack of making it latch. With Dave and Miles pushing I left the line, last year we'd pushed the car with the truck as I was driving off in 3rd, I was using first gear this year. I was kind of shocked how hard the car accelerated off the line, I looked down and despite our best efforts we had managed to swipe the GPS to the menu screen and I already knew it wouldn't respond to my gloved hand. I ran up to the pitch I know is close to the red line, the car was pulling hard, in second it went sideways briefly as I dropped the clutch but I stayed in it. Once again I ran it into what I hope was the 6000rpm range and shifted into third, same again, it pulled hard but held traction with my foot on the floor. I could feel the acceleration in top which was encouraging rather than the sensation of bogging I'd had the day before. I held my foot on the floor and listened to the pitch climb until the last mile where it remained constant. I pulled off the track at the seven and a half mile and this time I could see the "Bali flags" and knew where to stop. Northern rescue arrived and gave me the thumbs up, one of them jumped out..."are you OK? yeah?....you did two hundred and four, congratulations!", he jumped back in and they drove away.

"So" I thought, that is the first time we'd hit an aero wall. With the gearing (2.14:1) we had that speed translated to 5280rpm, at those revs we have about 270 horsepower, it seems now that at 204mph our car has the equivalent of about 270 horsepower of drag, until now we'd gone faster and faster, now we knew what the limits were.

We took the car back to the pits and began to dismantle it to change the final gearing to the as yet untried 2.28:1. Everyone got dirty, Dave, Miles, Tom, Graham and I. We hoisted the car onto the metre high stands, off with the body, drained the water tank of its 60 litres, hoisted it off, hoisted the motor off it's mounts, removed the exhaust, the gear shift gantry, the furl tank and fuel system, just to get to the diff. It sounds ridiculous but the car is fast because it is small and has a good aero shape, to make that possible things need to be packaged very tightly. What does make things difficult is that the car has been hammered by it's time being transported on it's four trips to the lake, things don't fit as well as they used to.

We started at 4.30, working with the headlights of two cars we finished, exhausted at 10pm. We went back to our camp, had a few beers and crashed by 11.30. We were back on the lake by 6.45, Dave cooked breakfast while we fitted up the last of the body, refuelled and made some last checks, we were three groups from the start. There were delays as the track had been move across due to it's soft condition between the two and three mile where lots of cars had spun. We wouldn't run until 1pm.

I fumbled with the shift as despite our prep the car wasn't in first, once, twice, three times, I cursed, I shifted it into second, the clutch slipped and the stench filled the cab, I bounced it a few times before I let it out, now the car pulled hard. I ran to 95 mph just short of 6 grand. In the third the car pulled like a train, the numbers on the screen reeling, 120, 130 150 160, I shifted into top at 176mph, it took briefly, and then died, I pulled the clutch, revved the motor and dropped it again, nothing. I freewheeled for a bit, I was halfway through the three mile. I shifted back to slow it down. I was off the track by the four and a half. The crew arrived and it was all in the glance between Graham and I, it was Thursday, something was broken, the week was over.

Although the best run of 204mph wasn't as fast as we had run in 2013 we had still made some progress. 2013's 215.041mph was run with a 2.41:1 diff gear and we believed it was a rev limit in the motor ( valve bounce, lifters we don't really know)that had stopped us going any faster. Up until this point we had no reliable figure for the drag coefficient of the car which meant we could not calculate how much power we need to achieve the speed(240mph) that ultimately we hope the car will run. When the car ran 204mph with the 2.14 gearing and could not accelerate any further it told us the power it made at 5280rpm which is about 270hp equaled the drag at that speed, we will be back, we know more than we did before.


The best run, 2.14:1 gear set 5285 rpm
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The rig. We went through about $1000USD in fuel....
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/Mobile%20Uploads/utf-8BSU1BRzE1NjEuanBn_zps9c2c4be1.jpg)

The Malley country....
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/Mobile%20Uploads/utf-8BSU1BRzE1NTcuanBn_zps26cfca60.jpg)

Your correspondent, red hat and all......
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The road to Gairdner, wasn't the worst I'd seen it by a long shot, but that doesn't mean it was good.
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/Mobile%20Uploads/utf-8BWk9FXzAwMjcuanBn_zps07acd6eb.jpg)

What a place.....
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/Mobile%20Uploads/utf-8BSU1BRzE1NTQuanBn_zps71503284.jpg)

Bali Girl danced all week
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/Mobile%20Uploads/utf-8BSU1BRzE1NTIuanBn_zps2e8d8b3d.jpg)

it's big
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/Mobile%20Uploads/utf-8BSU1BRzE1NTEuanBn_zps5d03ef93.jpg)

Me, a BNI/SCTA Inspctor who followed me out there  and Dirty Dave our resident plumber, gourmet chef and wine buff

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/Mobile%20Uploads/utf-8BSU1BRzE1MzkuanBn_zps629558e8.jpg)

I got a sticker!

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/Mobile%20Uploads/utf-8BSU1BRzE1MzQuanBn_zps17b0c775.jpg?t=1394916014)

Lining up at marshalling

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/Mobile%20Uploads/utf-8BSU1BRzE1MzMuanBn_zpsa265b1a4.jpg?t=1394916042)

Motor hoisted, water tank, fuel tank, exhaust and diff contents removed....

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/Mobile%20Uploads/utf-8BSU1BRzE1MjMuanBn_zps0a537772.jpg?t=1394916059)

Graham pulls the pinion bearing during the diff swap

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/Mobile%20Uploads/utf-8BSU1BRzE1MTkuanBn_zps22c51bbe.jpg)

My nephew Tom, Dirty Dave and Miles pose in front of Simon's luxury mobile digs...
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/Mobile%20Uploads/utf-8BSU1BRzE1MDUuanBn_zps3fd66d06.jpg?t=1394916162)

Blown head gasket
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/e908932d-6b6f-47e0-8456-1cf8e719e680_zps19b612a2.jpg)


Getting home is always a dose of reality, it's a week later. the car is still on the trailer but at least I've washed this stuff off......
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/Mobile%20Uploads/utf-8BSU1BRzE1NjQuanBn_zps3bb23223.jpg)

Graham and Tiny(GeneratorShovel) in the pits...
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/P3040280_zps1d7e4a14.jpg)

The Spirit of Sunshine in her "flipped" 2014 livery...
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/P3040271_zpse87f8011.jpg)

FDSB t shirt
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/P3040268_zps13b2c723.jpg)

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on March 15, 2014, 06:04:51 PM
Wow, nice write up, worth the wait.

Broken down tow vehicles, hand injuries, frustration, fatigue and good mates helping. Sounds right.

D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Sumner on March 15, 2014, 06:18:37 PM
Great trip/race report and you now do have a better idea in the direction you need to head in for next year there or this year here,

Sumner
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 15, 2014, 06:26:21 PM
I'll be at Bonneville for Speedweek, the SOS won't be.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on March 15, 2014, 07:26:40 PM
Looking forward to seeing you, my friend.  :cheers: Whom else is coming? Good job on the writin'. Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Sumner on March 15, 2014, 07:32:07 PM
I'll be at Bonneville for Speedweek, the SOS won't be.
 

Well I certainly like the part about you being there (here) and hope you can get by the house and see us there also,

Sumner and Ruth
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Speed Limit 1000 on March 15, 2014, 08:02:33 PM
Outstanding trip report. We all can tell good stories about what broke on our way to race.
Looking forward to having a beer with you to learn more :cheers:

John
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 15, 2014, 08:21:24 PM
Outstanding trip report. We all can tell good stories about what broke on our way to race.
Looking forward to having a beer with you to learn more :cheers:

John

I don't think the inspectors head was broken, just bruised... :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Freud on March 15, 2014, 10:27:37 PM
The Kilo Klub is open to you.

You can tell us the real story.

I'm enjoying that swollen thumb.

It hurts  G O O D.

FREUD
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 15, 2014, 10:38:06 PM
The Kilo Klub is open to you.

You can tell us the real story.

I'm enjoying that swollen thumb.

It hurts  G O O D.

FREUD

Yeah, that kind of pain that is like a whistling in yer ears,seeing white, all-over sweat..... I don't remember my broken leg hurting that much. It was itchy for a week after that and the knuckle was creaky...getting back to normal now.

Kilo club better look out.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: salt27 on March 16, 2014, 12:48:57 AM
Goggs,
  Thanks for the recount, I enjoyed it and agree with Freud, the puss flying from the thumb was a highlight.

Would of been nice to have a photo of the thumb. 

Looking forward to seeing you at Speedweek.

  Don
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Tman on March 16, 2014, 11:00:10 AM
Another epic tale! :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on March 16, 2014, 12:17:39 PM
Actually I have noticed the salt is good for helping cuts heal... once you get past the stinging  :roll:

Good story for a rush job  :cheers:

Great shirt on your partner... I'm thinking you rev your gears to the max you have a chance to pull the gear, short shifts leave you in that "not enough power to overcome the aero drag" part of the band.  Smaller motors carry their power in the revs, but you already know that.  I guess if you max out on the 28s past 215 you can try the 14s again. 
The year Marty got in the club, we made a dozen runs within .1 MPH, changed gears, shift points, tune (jets in those days), no 2 runs were the identical setup, but the result at the end of 5 miles was always the same... almost bracket racing Bonneville.
PM me an address for the shirt unless you plan extra Bonneville bag space.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Sumner on March 16, 2014, 02:07:05 PM
Here is some stuff for you to ponder.  I've added a feature to a couple of my spreadsheets that give you speed in gears at different rpm.  That is if you know how much HP it takes to run a certain mph the spreadsheet will tell you the HP needed for all the mph intervals on it.  Since it also shows you the rpm in each gear for those mph intervals you will know from your dyno pulls if you have enough hp to run the mph at that rpm in that gear.

To use it in your case I took your 270 HP figure to run 204 MPh and plugged it into this spreadsheet...

(http://1fatgmc.com/car/Temp-1/14-SOS%20lakester-1.jpg)

found here...  http://purplesagetradingpost.com/sumner/bvillecar/HP%20Required%20for%20new%20speed%20-%2012-20-13%20-xls.xls (http://purplesagetradingpost.com/sumner/bvillecar/HP%20Required%20for%20new%20speed%20-%2012-20-13%20-xls.xls)

You can take the 32 HP to run 100 mph from that spreadsheet and ...

(http://1fatgmc.com/car/Temp-1/14-SOS%20lakester-2.jpg)

...plug it into the spreadsheet above where the blue arrows are.  I took a guess at you 1st, 2nd and 3rd gear ratios and tire size but the final 205 mph is close to the rpm's you posted.  If the 3rd gear is close and you shifted at say 180 at 6246 rpm ( I think you shifted at 175 at 6000) you can see that you dropped 1619 rpm on the shift to 4627 and at 180 mph you needed 187 HP (left red arrows).

So if from your dyno pulls you made at least 187 HP at 4627 rpm you should accelerate which you did.  Of course the more you are over 187 HP at 4627 the harder you will accelerate.  So seeing the new rpm in the next gear and being able to look over and see the HP needed there you can make some gearing decisions.
 
Now looking further down the chart...

(http://1fatgmc.com/car/Temp-1/14-SOS%20lakester-3.jpg)

...we can see that with the 2.14 gears 6300 would be 240 mph and would require 442 HP at that rpm to run that speed.  If you aren't making that HP then a lower gear is going to do better.

The spreadsheet with the HP needed at the speed intervals can be found here...

http://purplesagetradingpost.com/sumner/bvillecar/SS%204%20Speed%20Excel-1.xls (http://purplesagetradingpost.com/sumner/bvillecar/SS%204%20Speed%20Excel-1.xls)

... and if there was interested it could be added to the other car and/or motorcycle spreadsheets also,

Sum
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: PorkPie on March 16, 2014, 03:30:33 PM
Reading the spreadsheets from Sum...

I ask me now how I got my 205 mph on my qualifier run with the 1000 cc N/A engine on gas....

Stainless & John Boy...you be my witness....I had no bicycle pedals..... :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Speed Limit 1000 on March 16, 2014, 03:45:58 PM
It was just the will to go faster by the driver :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: maj on March 16, 2014, 04:40:03 PM
Dont forget the different DA at Gairdiner
I can feel the difference quite clearly
not counting the hp difference you would get, i figure 10-15 mph speed difference on a turbo bike (compensated for hp difference)
How the total drag/hp could apply to the SOS  is something for the more mathematically inclined than i
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on March 16, 2014, 04:44:43 PM
So many numbers, speaking of which
Happy Birthday Slim
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on March 16, 2014, 06:51:14 PM
Is it St Patrick Day down there already.....  :cheers: 
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on March 16, 2014, 07:07:03 PM
Yep, I guess.  Happy Birthday to you, Stainless.  Many happy returns of the day, okay?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on March 16, 2014, 07:23:42 PM
Wow - a star-crossed journey in some ways, yet as you mentioned, a point on a graph - a star to steer by, if you will.

Doc, you've often said you and the SOS team have been "lucky".  But every journey is a fishing trip.  It's not necessarily the size of the fish, or the number you brought home on your stringer, but what you've learned.

Tres over deuces is still a pretty good hand.  Let it ride.

That number on the graph will be critical to further development of this combination. 

And as to the fruit inspector - I've owned a couple of F-100s over the years, and I have an excellent visual as to how what you described happened. 

And I think it's hilarious. 

Well played.

 :cheers:



 
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 16, 2014, 09:46:45 PM

And as to the fruit inspector - I've owned a couple of F-100s over the years, and I have an excellent visual as to how what you described happened. 

And I think it's hilarious. 

Well played.
 :cheers:

Ok, here is the kicker.

You probably all thought I dramatised it a little

On our way home we took the same route and it was Saturday at about 11am when we passed the fruit inspection point near Renmark, where they only inspect you heading west.

We were in high spirits and as we cast our glance over to the inspection station who should we see , momentarily distracted from the task at hand, looking somewhat angrily our way?

Yes, our man with the bump on his head.We laughed even harder than we had a week before.

 I am just about to look it up on Google maps so I can get the address , so I can send one of our postcards to "the guy with the bump on his head".

 :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: tauruck on March 16, 2014, 11:08:17 PM
James, I wish you guys went out to the salt more often.

That was good reading. Thanks man. :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 18, 2014, 01:07:23 AM
Here is an interesting video, you can have a close look, a very close look at the DLRA's new timing system at about 1.39.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kno02BFLxd0&feature=share
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on March 19, 2014, 07:00:21 PM
A very close look

It looks like we got the name wrong on the t shirts
or did you enter the wrong car?
G
(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc28/grumm441/DLRA14_zpsbd475299.jpg) (http://s219.photobucket.com/user/grumm441/media/DLRA14_zpsbd475299.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stan Back on March 19, 2014, 08:52:05 PM
You got hosed.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 20, 2014, 01:55:12 AM
A very close look

It looks like we got the name wrong on the t shirts
or did you enter the wrong car?
G
(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc28/grumm441/DLRA14_zpsbd475299.jpg) (http://s219.photobucket.com/user/grumm441/media/DLRA14_zpsbd475299.jpg.html)

It'd be funny if it was funny,it'd be really funny.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on March 20, 2014, 04:17:06 AM
I think it's funnier than a very fun thing
I was also reading the minutes of the AGM
Disappointingly, my name was only spelled incorrectly once?
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 20, 2014, 05:37:31 AM
I was also reading the minutes of the AGM

Are you ok?

I knew you were bored but...       
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on March 20, 2014, 06:36:40 AM
I was also reading the minutes of the AGM

Are you ok?

I knew you were bored but...       

Although, i think they shouldn't be called minutes...
perhaps hours
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: tauruck on March 20, 2014, 12:26:11 PM
Mark, we built a whole new plant just for you.

We're waiting. No Spigot required.

Forget about those Australians man.

We're Blue Oval guys. :-D :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on March 20, 2014, 05:27:15 PM
Complete with barley silos!

Time to upscale the homebrewing, Grummy!  :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: tauruck on March 21, 2014, 01:17:15 AM
Cheap as chips too. :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on April 10, 2014, 06:06:42 AM
Cheap as chips too. :-D

What , where, who , when
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: tauruck on April 10, 2014, 06:59:35 AM
Grumm, you only woke up now?.

Prices just went up. :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on April 10, 2014, 08:30:07 AM
I was just thinking of you
I just got three bikes in from South Africa
Biggest license plates I have ever seen
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: tauruck on April 10, 2014, 09:53:59 AM
What colour plates?.

If still yellow those are pre 2000.
The new ones aren't much smaller.  :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on April 11, 2014, 08:45:25 PM
One yellow and two white
One Velocette and two Bevel Drive Ducati's
They all have a lot of Bling on them.

Now getting back on track?
Goggles.....
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: salt27 on April 12, 2014, 10:06:12 PM
One yellow and two white
G

Patch panels, one inside, two outside.   :-D

Where is Goggs anyway?

 Don
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on April 12, 2014, 10:11:28 PM
Good question
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on April 12, 2014, 11:04:01 PM


 What?  :roll:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on April 12, 2014, 11:55:46 PM


 What?  :roll:

Behind you!
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on April 13, 2014, 08:27:33 PM
Here's one to keep you entertained. It's from the Saturday on the way to the salt, out the front of Dirty Dave's place in the Barossa Valley effecting the repairs to the F truck....there's plenty of room under the hood on those things, enough room for three decent sized blokes and a Clevo.... I think we were lifting the head on at this point.......you'll notice that Dave, uncharacteristically for a plumber, has his shirt tucked into his pants......

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-qFwa91oPM3I/U0o7R_xam6I/AAAAAAAADjg/IYC-seOF5lM/w737-h553-no/IMG_0273.jpg)

It was an interesting day that, after the mad thrash of the previous few weeks it was just what I needed to flog the last few drops of energy out of me before
we headed off into the desert for a week.

Yes, I have been absent. But I have been busy. Planning has started for the US trip in August, LA 2nd August, Vegas, Wendover, Salina, SLC, Boise, Portland, Seattle, San Fran, LA, home on the 5th Sept.

Woohoo.

Thanks to Chris, my BNI membership turned up last week. :cheers:

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: salt27 on April 13, 2014, 10:14:46 PM
Planning has started for the US trip in August, LA 2nd August, Vegas, Wendover, Salina, SLC, Boise, Portland, Seattle, San Fran, LA, home on the 5th Sept.

So are ya doing a lot of driving or flying?

 Don
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on April 13, 2014, 10:34:08 PM

Thanks to Chris, my BNI membership turned up last week. :cheers:


1.M
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on April 13, 2014, 11:20:15 PM
Don't you want to stay for the WoS?  Just a few more days  :-D  Which Salina?  I live 70 miles south of the one in Kansas
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Bob Ellis on April 13, 2014, 11:29:46 PM
Hey Gogg's , we'll be landing in L.A at 6.30 (from Brizvegas) , do Disney or Universal , Vegas on the 5th , Wendover on 6th (then working in tech for the week),back towards Vegas/L.A on the 13th and head for home on the 18th. Can't afford to be away as much as you rich Mexicans can!!
Bob.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Freud on April 13, 2014, 11:44:04 PM
Planning has started for the US trip in August, LA 2nd August, Vegas, Wendover, Salina, SLC, Boise, Portland, Seattle, San Fran, LA, home on the 5th Sept.

Marlo Treit, Target550 'liner, is in Portland, OR and FREUD is in Everett, Wa.....25 miles North of Seattle.

I extend the invitation to you for both places.

FREUD
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: salt27 on April 13, 2014, 11:51:32 PM
Planning has started for the US trip in August, LA 2nd August, Vegas, Wendover, Salina, SLC, Boise, Portland, Seattle, San Fran, LA, home on the 5th Sept.

Marlo Treit, Target550 'liner, is in Portland, OR and FREUD is in Everett, Wa.....25 miles North of Seattle.

I extend the invitation to you for both places.

FREUD

If you survive those two you will need a drink and I'm just down the road a bit.   :cheers:

  Don
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on April 14, 2014, 02:25:39 AM
Planning has started for the US trip in August, LA 2nd August, Vegas, Wendover, Salina, SLC, Boise, Portland, Seattle, San Fran, LA, home on the 5th Sept.

So are ya doing a lot of driving or flying?

 Don

Drivin Don, maybe right past your place if ya tell me where it is....


Marlo Treit, Target550 'liner, is in Portland, OR and FREUD is in Everett, Wa.....25 miles North of Seattle.

I extend the invitation to you for both places.

FREUD

Pa, lemmee buy you lunch. :wink:

Don't you want to stay for the WoS?  Just a few more days  :-D  Which Salina?  I live 70 miles south of the one in Kansas

Kansas?....that's only a mile or two off the route we were planning yeah?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on April 14, 2014, 09:16:46 AM

I live 70 miles south of the one in Kansas

Just south of Milwaukee.

Well, and a little bit west.

A day trip.

Well, actually a really long day trip.

Ahh, forget it - we'll see you on the salt . . . .

But the invite is always open.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on April 14, 2014, 01:37:55 PM
Don't get confused.  :cheers: Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Frankie7799 on April 14, 2014, 02:04:14 PM
Looks like I had better get to the salt for at least a few days. Gotta take advantage of meeting ya Dr G.  :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: tauruck on April 14, 2014, 11:09:38 PM
I knew James would make the trip one way or another.

Go you good thing. :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on April 15, 2014, 04:24:45 AM
Here's one to keep you entertained. It's from the Saturday on the way to the salt, out the front of Dirty Dave's place in the Barossa Valley effecting the repairs to the F truck....there's plenty of room under the hood on those things, enough room for three decent sized blokes and a Clevo.... I think we were lifting the head on at this point.......you'll notice that Dave, uncharacteristically for a plumber, has his shirt tucked into his pants......

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-qFwa91oPM3I/U0o7R_xam6I/AAAAAAAADjg/IYC-seOF5lM/w737-h553-no/IMG_0273.jpg)

It was an interesting day that, after the mad thrash of the previous few weeks it was just what I needed to flog the last few drops of energy out of me before
we headed off into the desert for a week.

Yes, I have been absent. But I have been busy. Planning has started for the US trip in August, LA 2nd August, Vegas, Wendover, Salina, SLC, Boise, Portland, Seattle, San Fran, LA, home on the 5th Sept.

Woohoo.

Thanks to Chris, my BNI membership turned up last week. :cheers:



Yep...
BNI Membership.
I guess you will be wanting my Bonneville entry pin Goggles

Hey I can't help but notice no one is wearing sandals?

G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on April 15, 2014, 08:47:51 AM
Well,Dave is s saint, Miles is a sage..I thought they'd be wearing em... :roll:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on April 23, 2014, 09:38:01 PM
Doc -

Tell Sparky you're pulling "I've Fallen, and I Can't Get Up" from rotation.

A 1 on the juke box . . .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFYCtU8VCBo

 :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stan Back on April 23, 2014, 09:47:37 PM
Hey!

Where can we find "Fallin' ".  I've lost it.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on April 24, 2014, 09:24:20 PM
Here ya go Jim,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76LbvnoIDkE

for those wondering, no it doesn't have anything directly to do with me, their all known players here in Melbourne, Mark himself plays in a very popular TV show band "Rockwhiz"....
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on May 10, 2014, 10:06:14 PM
So not much happening here at the moment

We just looking at what we have to find for 2015
In 2013 we went over 200mph, which gained Goggles his Red Hat
what this also meant was that we had to change our front tyres. Prior to that we had been running frontrunners.
Greg Watters had loaned us a pair of Goodyear LSR tyres for 2014 but he has plans for them and we have to give them back
Also, we had been running some FIM seatbelts which no longer qualify.
we have also been using a borrowed HANS device.
And of course there is the engine and gearbox that both need attention.
that's the short list

Hey but at least we now have our own trailer.

G

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: tauruck on May 10, 2014, 10:40:07 PM
G, that sounds a lot like my racing programme from way back. :-D

I still don't own a trailer.

You guys did great with what you had. :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on June 03, 2014, 07:04:49 AM
Alright. so not much happening here. Time to play guess the bike
G

(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc28/grumm441/Img_1391_zps5ba40841.jpg) (http://s219.photobucket.com/user/grumm441/media/Img_1391_zps5ba40841.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on June 03, 2014, 09:58:51 AM
Alright. so not much happening here. Time to play guess the bike
G


Come on, Grummy - give us a clue. 

Assign each bike a number and then show us the size of the oil puddle under it. 

That would help.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Finallygotit on June 03, 2014, 10:14:07 AM
The bike front and center has its own bed pan.  :roll:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on June 03, 2014, 10:15:34 AM
That's because it is the only one with oil in it  :-o
 :roll:
 :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on June 03, 2014, 10:49:31 AM
That's because it is the only one with oil in it  :-o
 :roll:
 :cheers:

But not for long.  :wink:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: salt27 on June 03, 2014, 11:08:37 AM
That Vincent would be welcome to oil down my garage anytime it wants, heck everything else in there does.   
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on June 03, 2014, 05:57:31 PM
How about from a different angle.
Oh and sorry about the photo quality Ferd, I was using a phone
G

(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc28/grumm441/Img_1393_zps2045eaee.jpg) (http://s219.photobucket.com/user/grumm441/media/Img_1393_zps2045eaee.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on June 04, 2014, 06:08:59 PM
Merci!..exotique!

Meanwhile my day yesterday involved music group with creeps, playing, wait for it, Knights in White Satin :roll:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on June 04, 2014, 06:33:07 PM
I've found our next car
G

http://www.ebay.com/itm/310976402948?item=310976402948&viewitem=&vxp=mtr

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on June 04, 2014, 06:40:24 PM
everybody needs a grocery getter  :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on June 04, 2014, 07:52:04 PM
Thats not a car, that's a bus.......oh, the other thing :roll:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: salt27 on June 04, 2014, 08:12:57 PM
Looks like there could be a safety issue, someone removed the seatbelt.   :roll:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: gidge348 on June 04, 2014, 10:00:26 PM
Looks like there could be a safety issue, someone removed the seatbelt.   :roll:

Doesn't matter, looks like it comes with air bags....  :-D :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on June 04, 2014, 10:11:22 PM
Looks like there could be a safety issue, someone removed the seatbelt.   :roll:

Doesn't matter, looks like it comes with air bags....  :-D :-D

No firesuit.
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Rob on June 05, 2014, 01:51:36 AM
Birthday suit has stretched some too...  :|
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: tauruck on June 05, 2014, 02:30:59 AM
Is that a BMW or a BBW?.

That's sick. :roll:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on June 05, 2014, 02:46:13 AM
Quote






Words fail me
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Graham in Aus on June 05, 2014, 05:36:11 AM
Enjoyed your write up on Mike Davidsons (DLRA #1) Flat Attack Liner Goggs  :cheers:

Prefer the Eye Candy in this mag!!

(https://scontent-a-lax.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/t1.0-9/q71/s720x720/10443607_10154189371615693_3886555206088444176_n.jpg)

 :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: stay`tee on June 05, 2014, 06:01:42 AM
where can i find the write-up, :?,,
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Graham in Aus on June 05, 2014, 06:06:25 AM
Fresh out in the Newsagents here yesterday Ron!  Awesome pictures from Simon Davidson...... :cheers:

Hope I'm not stealin' your thunder here Doc  :oops:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on June 05, 2014, 06:29:18 AM
300.

G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on June 05, 2014, 07:54:47 AM
Merci!..exotique!

Meanwhile my day yesterday involved music group with creeps, playing, wait for it, Knights in White Satin :roll:

When something never reaches the end . . . well . . . suffice to say, I know just what you're going through.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on June 05, 2014, 08:13:59 AM
I prefer the War of the Worlds album myself...

OOOhhh LAhhhh!
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Speed Limit 1000 on June 05, 2014, 08:21:47 AM
Graham,

Check out the Hotnuts post :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on June 05, 2014, 08:57:22 AM
Graham,

Check out the Hotnuts post :cheers:

Yep. Redit. Redit.
Had to read twice in fact.
And I may read it again tommorow.
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Speed Limit 1000 on June 05, 2014, 10:09:50 AM
Graham,

Check out the Hotnuts post :cheers:

Yep. Redit. Redit.
Had to read twice in fact.
And I may read it again tommorow.
G

Thanks back to the fire :-(
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on June 05, 2014, 07:26:11 PM
I'm not sure I understand the use of aggressive questioning by a club official

Hotnuts,

Although we are all, theoretically, capable of self-actualizing, most of us will not do so, or only to a limited degree. Maslow (1970) estimated that only two percent of people will reach the state of self actualization. He was particularly interested in the characteristics of people whom he considered to have achieved their potential as persons.

By studying 18 people he considered to be self-actualized (including Abraham Lincoln and Albert Einstein) Maslow (1970) identified 15 characteristics of a self-actualized person.

And I certainly don't understand this
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Speed Limit 1000 on June 05, 2014, 11:29:26 PM
 :cheers: That is because uall from S> TEXASS :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on June 06, 2014, 01:13:14 AM
:cheers: That is because uall from S> TEXASS :cheers:

Further south than that
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on June 06, 2014, 01:33:06 AM
Oh good. Grumm got it.  :roll: You coming over this year? If it helps, I have a toaster that automatically burns toast now.  :lol: Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on June 06, 2014, 07:43:31 PM
Enjoyed your write up on Mike Davidsons (DLRA #1) Flat Attack Liner Goggs  :cheers:

Prefer the Eye Candy in this mag!!

(https://scontent-a-lax.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/t1.0-9/q71/s720x720/10443607_10154189371615693_3886555206088444176_n.jpg)

 :-D

 Thanks Graham, I did the story on Ken Izzard the midget racer too. His son Geoff is a lurker here. If you wanna know what tough is Ken is 90, he broke his neck last year when he fell over carrying his shopping ( only broke one egg), still works on the TQ midgets, lives at home by himself. His driveway is steeper than any surface I feel comfortable standing on, he really is a unit.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on June 06, 2014, 09:26:39 PM
Dr G  glad to hear you coming out of hibernation!
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Speed Limit 1000 on June 07, 2014, 12:08:55 AM
Dr G  glad to hear you coming out of hibernation!

 :cheers:I will second that :cheers: so how was prison :?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Graham in Aus on June 07, 2014, 05:21:33 AM
Very pleased to have started page 300! This must be the biggest thread on here?  :cheers:

Ken Izzard piece was the second thing I read, amazing man, I envy your time in the shed with this unquestionably remarkable gent.

Respect to Ken!  8-)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on June 07, 2014, 07:29:52 AM
300 pages, nearly half a million views.
All for a little red and white car
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: tauruck on June 07, 2014, 07:41:44 AM
Great going guys.

We still check this thread first every time. :cheers:

What a team!!!!!!
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on June 07, 2014, 05:52:55 PM
Oh good. Grumm got it.  :roll: You coming over this year? If it helps, I have a toaster that automatically burns toast now.  :lol: Wayno

hahahaha Hey Wayno, can you start ageing some steak, we expect to be Salina bound after the salt...... and breakfast at Mom's, you can have your own toast :|
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Freud on June 07, 2014, 07:42:13 PM
Take a little northerly swing and see Treit and myself.  We'll buy wine to go with your steaks.

Turn your GPS upside down and left for right and you will arrive at our place.

FREUD
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on June 07, 2014, 08:22:55 PM
We'll do something good. The toast is for Grumm.  :roll: Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on June 07, 2014, 10:23:23 PM
Take a little northerly swing and see Treit and myself.  We'll buy wine to go with your steaks.

Turn your GPS upside down and left for right and you will arrive at our place.

FREUD

Goggle's rented a car that he's going to drive himself. He may not make it
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: salt27 on June 07, 2014, 10:29:11 PM
Goggle's rented a car that he's going to drive himself. He may not make it
G

From Australia?   :roll:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on June 07, 2014, 11:27:20 PM
Goggle's rented a car that he's going to drive himself. He may not make it
G

From Australia?   :roll:

He's an old farm boy - high flotation tires are common on big implements, tractors, manure spreaders . . .

Just keep to the right, if you will, please.  :wink:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: maj on June 07, 2014, 11:31:14 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTVPPTV-bQM
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on June 08, 2014, 12:01:09 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTVPPTV-bQM

It's not the destination - it's the journey.  :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on June 08, 2014, 12:04:26 AM
I clicked on that and it said it was like 10 minutes long. I said "I'll never watch all that". But I did. Didn't I?  :roll: Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on June 08, 2014, 07:26:26 PM
You know, I got asked more than once if I drove over from Australia.
My answer was always the same.
"I was going to drive, however I couldn't see where I could get diesel in between Hawaii and California"
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Rob on June 08, 2014, 08:18:22 PM
I was asked if I had any trouble on the drive over. I told them that fish in the wipers was the big issue.  :|
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on June 09, 2014, 05:44:22 AM
Take a little northerly swing and see Treit and myself.  We'll buy wine to go with your steaks.

Turn your GPS upside down and left for right and you will arrive at our place.

FREUD

That is an offer you may regret but that we are only to happy to take up....we's gonna be drivin' right past your door I reckon fERD :wink:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Speed Limit 1000 on June 09, 2014, 07:33:35 AM
I was asked if I had any trouble on the drive over. I told them that fish in the wipers was the big issue.  :|

Maybe you need better wipers :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Rob on June 09, 2014, 07:37:32 AM
Maybe you need better Americans  :-D :wink:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on June 09, 2014, 08:05:10 AM
I would like to take this opportunity as we stand here staring into the precipice.

We've nearly reached a half a million views on this build diary. They said Seinfield was " a show about nothing", nothing schmothing......this, this is a build diary about next to nothing.

Thanks to all of you people, the pedants, the part timers, the boosters, the boasters, yep all of you.

Thanks to Popes Jon the first and the second, I hope us being here both brought you up and down in unequal measures, I hope it was mostly up.

Thanks to all the friends we've made, nearly all of you were worth it and that's really saying something. Bill, Bob, Wayno, Chris, fERD, Trent, Don, Jim. We saw off Jack Dolan who was a great inspiration to us.There have been many more , we hope we've made you happy as you have us.

There are also a vast number of people who never stick their heads up, some have approached us on the salt both here and there, some have indirectly and I hope inadvertently( but probably not) given us grief, we forgive you your failings.

Mostly though, personally, I want to thank The Reverend and The Colonel without whom none of this would have been possible.

Dr G

 
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Speed Limit 1000 on June 09, 2014, 08:09:21 AM
 :cheers: Today is your day, I tip my red hat to you :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: tauruck on June 09, 2014, 08:10:20 AM
That's your opinion!!!. :-D

Best "auto" biography I ever read.

 :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on June 09, 2014, 09:47:08 AM
Mine was 499999
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on June 09, 2014, 10:01:14 AM

They said Seinfield was " a show about nothing", nothing schmothing......this, this is a build diary about next to nothing.
 

No.  I appreciate your self deprecating style . . . but no.

This is the journal of an improbable success and incredible difficulties, building confidence and having it destroyed, patience and impatience, strengths and weaknesses – defeat and victory.

Doc, Rev, Colonel – from half way around the world with direction from 3 continents and contributions from 5, you’ve managed to coordinate the Great American Novel.
 
And if it’s not that, it’s at least the greatest baseball book ever written about land speed racing.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Speed Limit 1000 on June 09, 2014, 10:13:16 AM


This is the journal of an improbable success and incredible difficulties, building confidence and having it destroyed, patience and impatience, strengths and weaknesses – defeat and victory.

Doc, Rev, Colonel – from half way around the world with direction from 3 continents and contributions from 5, you’ve managed to coordinate the Great American Novel.
 
And if it’s not that, it’s at least the greatest baseball book ever written about land speed racing.


 :cheers: To all LR.com Brothers :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Tman on June 14, 2014, 05:28:59 PM
I appreciate seeing my name in that semi-illustrious list! :-D BTW, I am drinking one of those killer IPAs right now thinking of the salt.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: salt27 on June 14, 2014, 11:04:39 PM
I appreciate seeing my name in that semi-illustrious list! :-D BTW, I am drinking one of those killer IPAs right now thinking of the salt.

Heck, I'm drinking a margarita and can actually taste the salt.   :-D

I'm preparing for Goggles visit. I ordered hardwood flooring today.    :evil:

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on June 15, 2014, 01:56:57 AM
It's going to need to be harder than that
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on June 15, 2014, 02:44:15 AM
I appreciate seeing my name in that semi-illustrious list! :-D BTW, I am drinking one of those killer IPAs right now thinking of the salt.

 :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

I appreciate seeing my name in that semi-illustrious list! :-D BTW, I am drinking one of those killer IPAs right now thinking of the salt.

Heck, I'm drinking a margarita and can actually taste the salt.   :-D

I'm preparing for Goggles visit. I ordered hardwood flooring today.    :evil:



you guys don't know what real hardwood is.... :roll: :roll:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on June 15, 2014, 04:10:52 AM

you guys don't know what real hardwood is.... :roll: :roll:

We got hardwood so hard it doesn't even burn.  :-D
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: maj on June 15, 2014, 04:32:49 AM

you guys don't know what real hardwood is.... :roll: :roll:

We got hardwood so hard it doesn't even burn.  :-D
G

Yep dont i know it , melted aluminium all around and the block of red gum under the anvil is still intact ,
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on June 15, 2014, 05:37:46 PM

you guys don't know what real hardwood is.... :roll: :roll:

We got hardwood so hard it doesn't even burn.  :-D
G

Yep dont i know it , melted aluminium all around and the block of red gum under the anvil is still intact ,

Redgum?

that's softwood!

We framed our mudbrick house at Rushworth with ironbark. If you tried to drive a nail into it without drilling a hole the nail would curl up about half way in, not just bend, but collapse, sometimes in a perfect circle and be hissing hot. It sinks, we had stakes for trees and you could keep the dogs busy by throwing a piece of one into a dam, they'd swim round and round looking for it..... Termites can't touch the heartwood but there was one variety of borer that could eat it and they were about 3/4 inch across, they'd leave a perfectly smooth hole, I think their teeth were made from a goatskneesium/tungsten/stellite compound.

did I tell you about the time when..........
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: salt27 on June 16, 2014, 02:09:04 AM
OK, OK, the hardwood floor order is cancelled.

Goggles, how much ironbark can you fit in your carry on?

We need 1600 square feet, 3/4" thick.

Don't forget your drill bits.   :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on June 16, 2014, 02:51:28 AM
At 1.1+ g/cm3 that's over three tonnes, so I'll need about 155 extra bags at $75.

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: salt27 on June 16, 2014, 03:10:17 AM
Thanks Gogs, I knew I could count on you.   :cheers:

When should I tell the wife that you'll be done with the floor?

By the way, shouldn't you sheetrock the ceiling and walls before you put the floor down.

Can't wait to see you,  Don 
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: tauruck on June 16, 2014, 08:18:51 AM
You could build an Ark that floats and then........... :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on June 16, 2014, 08:45:50 AM
Mike I've got pretty much one of  EVERY type of friend, but not two, that knocks the ark idea on the head. :wink:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on June 16, 2014, 09:01:41 AM
You could build an Ark that floats and then........... :-D

I've got a story about the ark, and Zebra's and Aardvarks
Next time I've had a drink.....
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on June 19, 2014, 03:30:51 AM
I would like to alert any DLRA members that I have found an insurer who will cover entrants at US events as part of a general travel insurance policy. They can also make all general travel bookings. There are discounts for DLRA members. This is gooooooood news. :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: tauruck on June 19, 2014, 08:06:30 PM
You put in the hard work and you get rewarded.
How many calls did that take?.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on June 21, 2014, 05:11:40 PM
I got sent in the right direction by Dave Hinds ,drag racer, pit cook, photographer , wine buff, head gasket repaired and all round good guy....
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on June 25, 2014, 10:30:48 AM
Ok... whilst Dr G heads east to the west, news here from the westerest is that we cannot really afford the time or money to head back home to Oz this year, so we decided to blow what we had on this!

Any guesses to its pedigree?

Won't be a salt goer but wont be a trailer queen either. Planning to do a modest resto and hop up (hint it has a 1172 cc sidevalve with aftermarket twin carbs...) and then use it to travel to some shows and some classic rallies which seem to happen every weekend here when the sun is shining (yes both of them).

rH+
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on June 25, 2014, 10:41:36 AM
No, don't tell me.  It's a 1972 Cadillac Coupe DeVille, right?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on June 25, 2014, 11:20:01 AM
Close.

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on June 25, 2014, 11:21:51 AM
Any guesses to its pedigree?

Won't be a salt goer but wont be a trailer queen either. Planning to do a modest resto and hop up (hint it has a 1172 cc sidevalve with aftermarket twin carbs...) and then use it to travel to some shows and some classic rallies which seem to happen every weekend here when the sun is shining (yes both of them).

rH+

Well, they look like Holsteins, but aren't there restrictions on importing cattle into Australia?

1172 isn't a lot of milk, but I'm curious as to the Darwinian udder configuration that would present itself in the form of "side valves".  Would be convenient.

In the US, we refer to such rallies as "Cattle Drives".

Kind of a cool car in the foreground . . .
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on June 25, 2014, 11:35:05 AM
hmmmmm  I would bet it started off---- topless    :-o :-o
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: 4-barrel Mike on June 25, 2014, 11:43:45 AM
Moretti with an engine swap  :?

Mike
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Andy Cooke on June 25, 2014, 02:06:15 PM
Looks like what gets called an Anglia in the 'States.  Didn't one get broken earlier in this thread, or was that a Prefect?

Andy
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on June 25, 2014, 05:02:33 PM
Looks like what gets called an Anglia in the 'States.  Didn't one get broken earlier in this thread, or was that a Prefect?

Andy

Very good, it is indeed a Prefect chassis of which we have used a split A frame for the front of the tank and much more for the mini-tank.

The body is an Ashley Sportiva 1960's kit car. Very simple. No dashboard but the rest seems pretty good. Basically some elbow grease and the odd stock part and we should be away. Missing the tank weekends and needed something in the garage to stare at at the end of a long day. Restored a BBQ last month. This is about the same complexity.

I like the oddball lines. It is quite convoluted but I think it works. Might have to practice some pinstriping.
Dik
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: 4-barrel Mike on June 25, 2014, 05:06:40 PM
 :cheers:  Learn something new every day: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashley_(automobile)
 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashley_(automobile))

Mike
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on June 25, 2014, 06:22:53 PM
Is it an Masarati, and does it come with the trailer
It looks like the trailer would be handy
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on June 25, 2014, 07:56:07 PM
I have the mechanism from a singer sewing machine at home, maybe we can get together and build a functional item......

Looks cool.......

Baby seat?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on June 25, 2014, 09:41:59 PM
English kit cat, Oh dear
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: tauruck on June 25, 2014, 09:47:16 PM
English kit cat, Oh dear
G

I'm with you on that G. :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on June 26, 2014, 03:13:43 AM
English kit cat, Oh dear
G

I'm assuming you meant "English kit car.


Contact Darryl Davis at Ashley - he still has a lot of the molds, sources, etc. - mostly Spridget based - motobuildracing75@yahoo.co.uk
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: PJQ on June 26, 2014, 04:26:59 AM
Congratulations Rev, logical next-step from BBQ restoration.

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on June 26, 2014, 05:25:02 AM
Congratulations Rev, logical next-step from BBQ restoration.

Yep, that's what I think. It is probably the simplest sportscar (I use the world loosely) on the planet. The Chassis is simple, plentiful cheap parts and knowledge and is a pretty good condition. The glass fibre body is of course rust free and also in pretty good condition. Being an individual build there is little problem worrying about originality so I can add my own design touches. (For example why do so many self builds have appalling dashboards? This one doesn't even have a dashboard at the moment so that is one less thing I paid for and will throw away!)

I know it has very few safety features but at around 10HP I am not going to be throwing into many corners that fast; it is for toodling around on occasional weekends and meets. Being a pre 1960 chassis means it is both MOT free and Tax free with insurance being around £114 a year so super cheap to own and have on the road. We were looking at GTs but none of them here have any rear seats of note and having children meant we wanted somewhere to store them and this has decent room for rear seats with its weirdo bum.

Finally, it looks like this with wire wheels which I think is pretty cool (for an English kit cat). Not many were made due to the tax laws changing at the time which made them too expensive to buy (as well as the introduction of mass produced UK sportscars) so there is an exclusivity to it too. Its not another spitfire or MG, it is something different.

Years ago I looked at a Peerless, but I thought the lines weren't quite right, where these are on the money in a bizzaro way and I am into lines.

Thanks MM for the contact. I shall do a proper audit and then contact him.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on June 26, 2014, 10:19:23 AM
Ah, I finally remembered - the shape of the top reminds me of - - the XKE in the later 60's. :lol:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on June 26, 2014, 07:20:27 PM
Congratulations Rev, logical next-step from BBQ restoration.



Yep
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Graham in Aus on June 29, 2014, 11:10:58 PM
Nice car Rev, interesting project.

The car world is a small one:

Peter Pellandine (one of the founders of Ashley) has an Aussie connection, he lived here for a while (late 60's - 70's) and ended up in Tassie.

Whilst here (in South Aus) he built the Pellandini a Mini based sports car:

 (http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-clBsDWJ7Dfk/UgDnqwRe7GI/AAAAAAAADmg/SIUzNm4jDrk/s1600/Pellandini+side+Jeroen+Booij+archive+1.jpg)

Something I would love to find!  :-D

He even has a tenuous land speed link, he hoped to attempt the Steam Land Speed Record!  :-P

Around and around an inter-twined story!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Pellandine

http://archive.motorsportmagazine.com/article/june-1986/34/8e495f16-4f36-43f1-abdf-7751cb4acb97/steaming-to-a-record
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on July 21, 2014, 12:36:59 PM
Not much going on here so I'll mention a book I have just finished reading called Out in Front. It is the Leslie Bellamy story who did some cool mods for early UK Fords such as the Split front beam independent suspension, IRS (see illustration below). I am on the lookout for one of these units for the Ashley to give her some front end manners...

Its an interesting story, he made ordinary production cars go fast because of his understanding of the topography of the front members and made relatively simply modifications to the Prefect front end for maximum result.

rH+
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Freud on August 05, 2014, 07:24:32 PM
See if you can find an Allard and get the front end out of it.

As I recall it had a split front axle from  a Ford.

Just the heritage would make your car famous even if it didn't handle like an Allard.

FREUD
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stan Back on August 05, 2014, 08:00:55 PM
Ford later stole it and called it Twin I-Beam.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Buickguy3 on August 05, 2014, 10:23:47 PM
  Are those the Ford trucks that had about 30 deg. front camber?
    Doug  :evil:  :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on August 05, 2014, 10:51:25 PM
  Are those the Ford trucks that had about 30 deg. front camber?
    Doug  :evil:  :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

Depends on how much weight you have in the bed.

I had a 66 F-100 with the solid I-beams.   Had 'em stretched, ala Gene Winfield - dropped it 2-3" and we adjusted the camber while we had 'em hot.   :wink:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on August 06, 2014, 10:29:17 AM
Ford later stole it and called it Twin I-Beam.

I have one.

I have included the finer points of their handling and details about their roadholding below.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on August 09, 2014, 03:00:21 PM
Gee,

bad luck all on the weather at Bonneville.

Some bad news here too as I was meant to pick up the Ashley tomorrow and the owner has rung up to say that he went to get it tidied up for collection and found that a brick wall has collapsed onto it!!!!!!!!!!!

Broken windscreen, broken side glass, damaged A piller...

What I liked about it was that it had all these bits in good order.

He offered another as a replacement (this one with a dashboard) but gee... I don't know. The light is flickering on this one now. Just invested and read three books on Fords too! At least I have gained some knowledge.

Dik
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on August 10, 2014, 05:32:24 PM
A Shit Brick fence fell on it?

Heaven and earth fell on Bonneville, still , right now I'm at the motel6 having a beer with Wayno, could be worse.......
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on August 10, 2014, 05:40:17 PM
The light is flickering on this one now. Just invested and read three books on Fords too! At least I have gained some knowledge.


Sometimes the best deal is the one not made.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Tman on August 10, 2014, 06:48:45 PM
A Subaru Brick fence fell on it?

Heaven and earth fell on Bonneville, still , right now I'm at the motel6 having a beer with Wayno, could be worse.......


I am ready to open an 11th hour IPA in your honor right now! Or maybe a Surly Furious??????????? Another one you will love!
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on August 11, 2014, 07:25:34 AM
Meanwhile, in Kansas  :cheers:
G

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qs_-emj1qR4
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: tauruck on August 11, 2014, 05:50:12 PM
If you play it they will come!. :-D :-D :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on August 11, 2014, 06:05:30 PM


Quote from: The guy's wife
  " as far as I'm concerned , you can go out in the field and play that thing til the cows come home

and who knew

G

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: tauruck on August 11, 2014, 06:17:32 PM
Thanks Grumm, that was really amusing.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on August 16, 2014, 01:12:12 PM
Trent, we've spent the last few days in Boise, good beer here and only going to get better as we head for Washington and Oregon. I saw a can of Fosters in Wholefoods here........bahahahahaha
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on August 16, 2014, 03:38:14 PM
I saw a can of Fosters in Wholefoods here........bahahahahaha

Oh, dear . . . no, no, no, no, no . . .

Whole Paycheck.

You are at the beginning of a trip that, during this season, will certainly be a road lined with incredible fresh fruits and vegetables, provided you get off of the interstates.

Buy yourself a cheap cooler, a carving knife and a cutting board, and your picnic potential will be endless.

I like me my chicken fried steak, but the farm stands are always the first choice on a road trip, and you'll feel better for it.  :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on August 16, 2014, 04:17:45 PM
You are at the beginning of a trip that, during this season, will certainly be a road lined with incredible fresh fruits and vegetables, provided you get off of the interstates.
Buy yourself a cheap cooler, a carving knife and a cutting board, and your picnic potential will be endless.

Grapefruit... hunting knife... road trip... proximity to Vegas... Red shark...

I think you've found the main nerve. Picking up hitchhikers?

d
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on August 16, 2014, 04:21:25 PM

Grapefruit... hunting knife... road trip... proximity to Vegas... Red shark...

I think you've found the main nerve. Picking up hitchhikers?

d

Me and Mrs. Midget were grateful for the ride to the airport.  :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on August 16, 2014, 05:09:33 PM
I remember my first trip through Idaho - a bunch of years ago.  I was on the Gold Wing (solo - hadn't yet met Nancy) and when I got to Idaho, approaching from Washington, I stopped at a tourist information center and saw the sign proclaiming "Idaho 'taters for Out Of Staters".  Ask for a bag of 'em and you'd get a 5 (or was it 10?) pound bag of potatoes.  I didn't have room on the bike -- but in your car, Dr. G, you probably do have some spare space.  Give it a though when you cross an Idaho border.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on August 16, 2014, 05:21:17 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7t7cGwN7_0

This one was way too easy . . .  :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: generatorshovel on August 16, 2014, 06:17:38 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7t7cGwN7_0

This one was way too easy . . .  :cheers:
That bought back memories Chris,,,,, :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on August 16, 2014, 07:31:07 PM
You are at the beginning of a trip that, during this season, will certainly be a road lined with incredible fresh fruits and vegetables, provided you get off of the interstates.
Buy yourself a cheap cooler, a carving knife and a cutting board, and your picnic potential will be endless.

Grapefruit... hunting knife... road trip... proximity to Vegas... Red shark...

I think you've found the main nerve. Picking up hitchhikers?

d

Er,no. Especially not the scraggly guy we saw out in the backblocks of Nevada with nothing but a huge soft toy under his arm, yeah, I'm serious
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stan Back on August 16, 2014, 07:35:40 PM
Was the "soft toy" blown up?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on August 16, 2014, 07:38:01 PM
Doc, you and G staying for WoS and WF?  Its only a month and a half more and you see the really fast stuff at Cooks.  
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on August 16, 2014, 08:07:14 PM
I'll second what Stainless has said.  I get to "work" as the pit steward there.  That means I don't have much chance to see the vehicles under full steam (although I can ask for permission to go to the tower and be replaced in the pits at any ol' time), but I do get to see the turnaround procedures if and when the vehicle has qualified for a return run.  That stuff is cool - and incredibly high pressure.  It alone is worth most of the hassle of watching the entire event.  Come on out, Dr. G, if you're in this country. :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on August 16, 2014, 10:56:09 PM
Was the "soft toy" blown up?

You think I'm joking don't you.....

No, we looked him and thought we'd sooner pick up a guy HOLDING a gun.........
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on August 16, 2014, 10:58:26 PM
Doc, you and G staying for WoS and WF?  Its only a month and a half more and you see the really fast stuff at Cooks.  

G's not here, he had some knitting or something to do...... :evil:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on August 17, 2014, 02:31:44 AM
Doc, you and G staying for WoS and WF?  Its only a month and a half more and you see the really fast stuff at Cooks.  

G's not here, he had some knitting or something to do...... :evil:

Sock Drawer
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on August 17, 2014, 09:03:57 AM
I'll second what Stainless has said.  I get to "work" as the pit steward there.  That means I don't have much chance to see the vehicles under full steam (although I can ask for permission to go to the tower and be replaced in the pits at any ol' time), but I do get to see the turnaround procedures if and when the vehicle has qualified for a return run.  That stuff is cool - and incredibly high pressure.  It alone is worth most of the hassle of watching the entire event.  Come on out, Dr. G, if you're in this country. :cheers:

Slim, I'd love to but I can't. 

Graham, checked another harbour freight......nope.

Last night we saw bull-riding at a rodeo in Caldwell. I think that's what Brett should do.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on August 17, 2014, 09:31:01 AM
OK boys, whatcha trying to find at Harbor Freight?  We could start a nationwide search  :roll:

When do you have to return to the land down under?
 :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on August 17, 2014, 09:45:11 AM
Its almost a $1 curiosity item Bob. The tool for releasing the barbs that hold spade terminals in plastic block plugs..... No big deal but Graham got some here a few years back, as he said, he'll just have to go back to grinding down hack saw blades.....

Here til the 4/9 , heading down the west coast.

Two weeks in we've had a years worth of fun already :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on August 17, 2014, 11:19:45 AM
HF tool for cutting out spot welds works better than the HI $ ones
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Peter Jack on August 17, 2014, 11:25:15 AM
Down there everyone meets the friends they haven't seen in quite a while at HF. Up here Princess Auto carries a lot of the same product lines and the result is the same. The tools are cheap but usually do as intended with only a little fooling around and for someone who isn't using the item every day they are more than satisfactory.

All in all it's a fine meeting place for the toolaholic!  :-D :-D :-D

Pete
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stan Back on August 17, 2014, 01:10:22 PM
"4/9" -- April???

Been standing on your head too long.  Probably 9/4.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on August 17, 2014, 01:20:08 PM

Is this what you're looking for?  They're right up the street . . .


https://www.pegasusautoracing.com/productdetails.asp?RecID=5737

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on August 17, 2014, 06:11:34 PM

Is this what you're looking for?  They're right up the street . . .


https://www.pegasusautoracing.com/productdetails.asp?RecID=5737



Nope . I've got that one in about five different configurations
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on August 17, 2014, 06:20:24 PM
I found it
It looks like I bought it from Summit Racing
G

http://www.summitracing.com/int/parts/pco-0660pt/overview/
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on August 18, 2014, 12:56:34 AM
I found it
It looks like I bought it from Summit Racing
G

http://www.summitracing.com/int/parts/pco-0660pt/overview/


Nice one ya dodderey ol nuffer.....

So you still want me to get it?

I need help here, can't seem to spend all the money I'd reserved for beer, it's too cheap.................

Hey Don, ya need any supplies?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: PJQ on August 18, 2014, 02:32:05 AM
Quote
...can't seem to spend all the money I'd reserved for beer...

You maybe shouldn’t a let that cat out of the bag… parts shopping list for US Moto Guzzi California on the way…
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on August 18, 2014, 05:51:42 AM
So there is that old Sunshine V Preston home of car theft thing. 

G
http://www.vicpolicenews.com.au/news/4286-thieves-smash-vehicles-in-sunshine.html
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on August 18, 2014, 08:18:42 AM
I think that was down the flash end of the street........
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on August 18, 2014, 05:54:18 PM
So, the Paris end then?
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: generatorshovel on August 18, 2014, 06:15:38 PM
I was thinking somewhere near Canberra ?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: salt27 on August 19, 2014, 10:23:17 PM
I found it
It looks like I bought it from Summit Racing
G

http://www.summitracing.com/int/parts/pco-0660pt/overview/


Nice one ya dodderey ol nuffer.....

So you still want me to get it?

I need help here, can't seem to spend all the money I'd reserved for beer, it's too cheap.................

Hey Don, ya need any supplies?

Beer and vittles on me, see you in a week.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on August 19, 2014, 10:41:36 PM
Doc - Ask Don if he and the Lil' Puke are coming out for WOS - I could use a hand.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on August 19, 2014, 11:23:28 PM

Nice one ya dodderey ol nuffer.....


dodderey ol nuffer.....

That's harsh
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on August 20, 2014, 06:11:37 PM
Harsh? You know what it's like talking to them in shops here, they think you're from outer space anyway, and then you start asking for something thayve neither cot not heard of. At HF this guy led me all over the freakin shop because he couldn't understand anything I was saying, I even waved.my hands a lot......

Vittles ain't he a for moolah one guy?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Finallygotit on August 20, 2014, 07:23:19 PM
Somehow, I think a video of that encounter would be priceless.

 :-D  :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: salt27 on August 20, 2014, 09:48:22 PM
Doc - Ask Don if he and the Lil' Puke are coming out for WOS - I could use a hand.

Chris, I can't make any promises (new job) but if one or both of us are there we will definitely help you.

Gus will do any doing that needs done and I will help you drink your beer.   :-D

 Don
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on August 21, 2014, 01:44:42 PM
How about Salina where when checking in the guy at the Econo-slum said "Australia, is that in the United States?"...

I said " no, not yet".
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on August 21, 2014, 02:11:34 PM
How about Salina where when checking in the guy at the Econo-slum said "Australia, is that in the United States?"...

I said " no, not yet".

The staff at the Rodge Mahal was more knowledgeable.

The potato salad was in season in Wendover, but when we stopped at the KFC in Salt Lake, the girl couldn't answer when I asked, "Why is it fried in Kentucky?"
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Finallygotit on August 21, 2014, 03:27:22 PM
How about Salina where when checking in the guy at the Econo-slum said "Australia, is that in the United States?"...

I said " no, not yet".

Scary, ain't it...... :-o
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on August 21, 2014, 05:37:20 PM
I just left Freudenbergenstein. The rain stopped for long enough for me to light the fuse on the rocket that's s ending us to Portland :wink:

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on August 21, 2014, 07:56:07 PM
Language warning
G

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHQRZXM-4xI
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: tauruck on August 21, 2014, 08:23:39 PM
Our version.  :-D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jaEEVjuL6QM
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on August 21, 2014, 08:44:22 PM
How about Salina where when checking in the guy at the Econo-slum said "Australia, is that in the United States?"...

I said " no, not yet".

The staff at the Rodge Mahal was more knowledgeable.

The potato salad was in season in Wendover, but when we stopped at the KFC in Salt Lake, the girl couldn't answer when I asked, "Why is it fried in Kentucky?"
We at the RODGE MAHAL pride ourselves on knowing where we are sometimes.  8-)  :cheers: Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: twodear on August 22, 2014, 02:03:54 AM
"4/9" -- April???

Been standing on your head too long.  Probably 9/4.

4/9 equals 4 September - day month year...can't mess that up unless you're in China where they use year month day or the USA where they can't get the order right in either case. :roll:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on August 22, 2014, 02:07:42 PM
Here are some preliminary findings for the Spirit of Sunshine streamliner design.

We built a series of 3d models based on hunches, desires and experience to test out some ideas in Computational Fluid Dynamic (CFD) software (which is basically a virtual wind tunnel.)

For this first run of computations we basically looked at two design options:

Design option 1
As mentioned previously I wanted to develop the idea of ground effect as per the Lotus F1 cars in a streamliner body to take advantage of the extra width our car will have over the current pencil shape designs due to the desire to not reduce the axle widths.

We tested whether it was better to have one large inverted wing covering both axles or one large wing at the rear (where we want the downforce) and a neutral one covering the front axle.

Design option 2
To maximise straight line continuance we want to have a rear fin to keep the centre of pressure behind the centre of gravity. Typically these are located in the centre of the car but in drawing up the car I kind of liked the idea that the rear fenders of the car could be extended up to make two fins. So we ran a test to see what the ramifications were for external fins compared to a central fin.

These were compared to a base line car without fins.
Title: Streamliner results
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on August 22, 2014, 02:18:26 PM
Preliminary feedback says that the double wing version of the ground effect is superior to the single version in that there is less lift so we will go down that path for now.

As for the twin fins versus the single fins I'll quote Steve Ambrose who is our man helping interpreting our data,
 
"The model  with the central fin (compared to the model with no fin) creates a smaller increase in drag  (approx. 2%) as opposed to 10% with the fins at the wheels. These increases are in the pressure drag (the drag caused by the shape of the object, not the drag incurred in the wake behind the car). Having the fins at the wheels also appears to generate lift, which is obviously not desirable, and so a clear conclusion is that the fin in the centre is better."

That is a significant difference in drag and much more than double so it is more than there just being two of them. I may try some different shapes to see if we can get it back in line but the tests are currently putting pay to this design idea.

Title: Streamliner results
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on August 22, 2014, 02:23:23 PM
Streamline test of the model with the rear fenders being used as fins. I like the potential look of this and so shall explore it a bit further before putting it to rest.
Title: Streamliner results
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on August 22, 2014, 02:25:01 PM
This is the version without a gap between the front axle and rear axle, in other words one wing acting as a ground effects device.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: manta22 on August 22, 2014, 02:29:25 PM

"4/9 equals 4 September - day month year...can't mess that up unless you're in China where they use year month day or the USA where they can't get the order right in either case. :roll:"


...unless you're in the US military. They always use day/month/year so there is no confusion., even when referring to spelled- out dates such as  22/08/2014 or 22 August 2014.

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ
Title: Streamliner results
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on August 22, 2014, 02:30:06 PM
The following are some renders of the two finned vehicle to see what it could look like. These are very early day renders and are straight off the raw CFD model and it will be a process of tooing and froing between the science of CFD and the art of the eye to get something we are all happy with.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on August 22, 2014, 02:44:57 PM
The gold parts on the side are a natural separation line for the body so we can have access to the wheels. One of the considerations of course are where cut lines go on the body as they can act as triplines detaching an attached boundary layer which is not something we want to happen. Therefore a seamline running parallel to the flow of the air helps avoid this. Other cutlines will be for access to the engine bay and the canopy which I have shown here as a single vac formed piece. This takes up the angle of the rollbar as does the current bellytank. I'll add a side window in future too as per the bellytank as it is extremely useful for seeing where to turn (eg when turning into the pits) as well as will keep a family resemblance to the bellytank.

These renders look OK but there is nothing like a solid model, so I took the STL file of this and printed a solid model of the car about 220mm long.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on August 22, 2014, 02:52:30 PM
I have found that when designing for savvy clients that exotic renders don't convince them of the look of their building. They look real enough on paper but everything from lighting to the treatment of material is fake and never looks the same, and there are too many tricks that can be done with virtual wide angle lenses and the like to allow the client to trust the image. But a model doesn't lie, it has spatial integrity. even though it is not full scale, nor accurately represents material, the freedom of the client to move their head and choose their own angle is the best explanatory and selling device out there.

Holding this model also makes me feel that the project is real... it has become physical. It looks surprisingly good at this early stage but then so did the early tank renders and I laugh when I look at them now.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: manta22 on August 22, 2014, 02:56:15 PM
Rev;

Nice model!  This body shape sort of reminds me of a pre-war LSR vehicle built by Auto-Union, NSU, or some other German company. Pork Pie probably knows who I'm talking about.

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ
Title: Streamliner results
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on August 22, 2014, 03:06:27 PM
So that is the first circle of testing. It is not at all the direction that I thought the car was going to take when I first started scribbling and thinking about it but I let some thinking about the concepts of aero drive the design, applied to the chassis that we already have. Obviously this is not ideal but it saves us making a whole new car. Also as mentioned previously it allows us to continue to run the Bellytank body as well as the streamliner body and ties us a little into the history of bellytank racing as soCal did the same thing.

I should note here that I have made one change to the chassis to make this work, that is I have reversed the radius rods for the front axle so instead of trailing that project forward like the ones for the rear axle and would probably be made exactly the same way as the rear ones. A simple modification but has a number of benefits geometrically.

So that's it. happy to receive any input or questions on it. It will change as we continue to try out new ideas. Would you believe someone actually offered me a spare tailfin from Concord to use on it yesterday? A little large would be my hunch but what an offer!

Reverend Hedgash
The go-faster pastor
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on August 22, 2014, 03:11:59 PM
Rev;

Nice model!  This body shape sort of reminds me of a pre-war LSR vehicle built by Auto-Union, NSU, or some other German company. Pork Pie probably knows who I'm talking about.

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ

Thanks Neil, I know the one you mean.

In fact there are a few from that age which it reminds me of, as well as the batmobile! One I went to see was the Mercedes streamliner currently on display in Stuttgart Mercedes Museum.

I hope to create something that acknowledges the historical aspects of streamliners and yet has a contemporary relevance too. I don't mean an average, or a compromised in between style, but one that is the natural next step in a long process of experimentation.

Dik

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on August 22, 2014, 11:26:13 PM
Absolutely amazing, astonishing.

New frame is my suggestion, fat people, like we'll all be soon won' fit in our tank.

Once again, amazing work!
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on August 22, 2014, 11:36:20 PM
Ewes aint gettin fat... Ewes gettin fluffy  :-D

If you start with another frame, it will be like starting over...  :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on August 22, 2014, 11:58:55 PM
That my vote ---PLS  do not ruin a DaNN Good Lakester

Build another car and jus swap the systems back and forth
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on August 23, 2014, 01:26:02 AM
Bill, that's DGL, we run EGL :cheers:

Yes Bob, but we have the cad for the frame and there's more room that we didn't have In the tank below the midline :wink:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: stay`tee on August 23, 2014, 02:22:29 AM
lookin sweet fellas, :cheers:,, now, who dosent believe in Evilution, :-D, (pun intented)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on August 23, 2014, 02:52:09 AM
I agree with Sparky

I know there's a long tradition of turning Lakesters into Streamliners - usually based on economics -  but realistically, the reengineering that would likely need to occur in order to see this BEAUTIFUL streamliner happen deserves a clean sheet of paper.

If you're looking to keep costs down, I'm certain there are components that the two cars can share, but the advantages of a new frame would negate a number of the compromises you had to make for packaging into a bellytank.

And having done this before - creating a car out of whole cloth - you know now where the mistakes were made, and likely how to avoid the really costly ones.

Other than as a mental exercise, why compromise the design to an old set of parameters?

Dik, it's beautiful, and I'm sure you relished the challenge of creating a form that would work with the existing chassis.  But think of what could be done if you weren't constrained by packaging issues irrelevant to a streamliner!

If it's the cost of the tubing that's the issue, consider the cost in frustration you'll encounter modifying the Lakester.  You could well have to take it to the point of no return - and that would be a shame, because this is really one of the most elegant bellytanks on the planet.

I know this had been a plan in the back of everyone's mind for a while, but  seeing what Dik came up with, I think the extra effort of creating a new chassis would be the best bet in the long run.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: tauruck on August 23, 2014, 04:28:02 AM
I don't care how it comes about but that car needs to be built. :cheers:

Awesome.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Tman on August 23, 2014, 09:54:35 AM
That car is as sexy and the Redhead! :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on August 23, 2014, 10:35:51 AM
It is amazing how much easier the 2n car is.  You now have some pretty good ideas about packaging  and what works for  you and what doesn't. Having tried to make a new body fit an old very small car---you two have a great start.

Make the changes you want to the parts you might like to change---and go for it   oh by the way if turbos are in the plan  make it lots bigger.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on August 23, 2014, 10:46:34 AM
One last thought - yeah, as if I'm going to stop . . .

The renderings show the inspiration of the tank - I think that's the magic of the design.

But they don't necessitate the use of the tank.

Always quick to spend other people's money, I am . . .
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on August 23, 2014, 12:11:02 PM
Been spending other people's money for a long time , I just wish the interest rate wasn't so punishing....

 :oops:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on August 24, 2014, 04:32:07 AM
I was about to write a long diatribe about thew advantages of a new chassis design when I had a look at the DLRA members list
to see what Dik's member number was. I think the DLRA admin is having a little joke
G

http://www.dlra.org.au/memlist.htm

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on August 24, 2014, 09:08:40 AM
356... that sounds about right
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: PorkPie on August 24, 2014, 10:50:04 AM
there are several cars, they run or was concept

here the NSU streamliner concept from Wilhelm Herz, for four rotary engines...but the aerodynamic was very bad...the drag number 0,27....some lakester are better
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: PorkPie on August 24, 2014, 10:59:40 AM
here the 1963 version from the Orpheus...a concept by Schmid, he was the chef designer for Porsche to this time....this a one of a kind 1/43 scale model I done some years ago
The project was stopped when the Brit's didn't allowed to sale the engine to Schmid

Also the Mercedes record car from the 1939 Dessau Speed days... this is a 1/43 scale model is from Omicron
Title: Streamliner
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on August 24, 2014, 11:48:21 AM
Ha!

"...so Mr Spigot, you are here for the role of Tarzan... It's not that I have anything against your one leg, but neither have you." Peter Cook and Dudley Moore, one of my favorite sketches with Dud corpsing all the way through.

Thanks for all the suggestions so far. I would love to build another spec built car but regardless of our experience it will be still a long drawn out affair. Especially if we then try to make it as good as it possibly can be which is why we would do it. So it would end up being probably another ten year project.

The idea here is simply to do an experiment by making a new body that attaches to the chassis with absolutly minimal additions to the chassis which essentially would be the addition of mounting points, an extension to the exhaust, and the addition of a bolt on nose frame to pickup the reversed radius rods.

I certainly do not want to damage the physical car in any way so don't wish to make major changes. Upon removal of the body the car can be returned quickly to bellytank state, potentially at the same meet.

I believe I can build the body here in the uk and fly over Dr G and the colonel to assist in the attaching of it to the chassis (or vice versa) and test it at Elvington prior to shipping back to Bonneville and Oz.

I'm sure that this body will have plenty of issues and things to learn, (especially not having built in composites before) and so i would consider it an experiment of short duration. Also there will be heaps of aero issues to conquer which will mean there is already more than enough to think about. What we can learn from it we can then take into a fully fledged new car which we can develop into our retirement with me being back in oz.

I also doubt that the car would look like this if I were to start from scratch too so I don't buy the argument that a car that looks like this deserves it's own chassis as it would then not look like this anymore! It only looks like this in response to having the bellytank chassis.

In regards to getting too large to fit in, I am the skinniest I have been in years. The 5:2 diet is a cracker and I'd recommend it to anyone, including you Stew. If you want to continue driving the bellytank you need to continue fitting in regardless of the streamliner.

The arguments that I'd consider are that if the bellytank chassis is unsafe for purpose, or news rules required compromise it's use so that it becomes untenable (eg. The colonel has mentioned the addition of the Hans device has compromised its ease of use already) and perhaps the main one is the fact that at present the colonel himself cannot drive the car due to its configuration and I very much would like him to have the option to drive given all his work on the project thus far.

But as I say, I see this as an experiment and a short term one, can be up and running quickly and what we learn from it would be fantastic for the design and build of a completely new car.

When finished I guess we could pass the body on to someone who wants to build a chassis for it so it can continue racing.

Dik












Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: manta22 on August 24, 2014, 01:35:27 PM
Thanks, Pork Pie. I knew you would know which cars I was thinking of. How fast did the Mercedes go and with what horsepower?

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: PorkPie on August 24, 2014, 05:20:39 PM
Thanks, Pork Pie. I knew you would know which cars I was thinking of. How fast did the Mercedes go and with what horsepower?

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ

Neil,

the engine was for the displacement 122 to 183 ci.....the real number and the hp is in one of my files....the speed was 248,1.... mph...top speed app. 252 mph....
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: manta22 on August 24, 2014, 06:08:23 PM
Thanks, that was a pretty good speed for 1939, especially for that engine displacement! I wonder if that speed was on the autobahn or at AVUS?

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: superleggera on August 24, 2014, 06:15:38 PM
Instead of a full streamliner concept that fits over everything, the images above of adding wheel pants (ala Carbinite) or Orpheus-style housing would be interesting. (and fairly easy to integrate without damage and could be done remotely and shipped easier due to smaller sizes)  The addition of these panels would increase surface area itself -- but the frontal aspect would remain about the same and the airflow would be cleaner than the existing exposed wheels.

Given the baseline testing of the belly tank and known data about everything ala speed/gearing/displacement, it would make an interesting scientific project without breaking the budget.  Possibly three iterations or more of testing:  (and feedback in regard to directional stability)

1) Simple Carbinite NACA 6600 profile derived wheel covers over all four wheels (or rear two only). Or other shapes?
2) Orpheus configuration of integrated front/rear cover.
3/4) Variants of 1/2 with additional appendages to cleanup airflow over suspension / axles / etc.

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Freud on August 24, 2014, 07:51:07 PM
Superleggera.............Ya reached 100 posts. Yeah !!

FerD
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: PorkPie on August 25, 2014, 05:55:46 AM
Thanks, that was a pretty good speed for 1939, especially for that engine displacement! I wonder if that speed was on the autobahn or at AVUS?

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ

Neil,

Autobahn streak close to Dessau (East Germany), which was special built to go over 400 mph with Mercedes T80
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: manta22 on August 25, 2014, 12:20:23 PM
Thanks, Pork Pie. I'll have to look at a map to see where Dessau is.

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ
Title: Doctor Goggles Birthday
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on August 25, 2014, 02:11:16 PM
Doesn't look a day over 138.

Avoid the cracks in the west coast while you finish up your vacation.

And I will remind you - AGAIN - there ARE states east of Utah.

Biggest regret of a rained out Speedweek was not being able to put you behind the wheel of the Midget - if for no other reason than to have photographic evidence of you driving a Pommy car.

Your friend -

Chris Conrad
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: PorkPie on August 25, 2014, 02:49:19 PM
Thanks, Pork Pie. I knew you would know which cars I was thinking of. How fast did the Mercedes go and with what horsepower?

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ

Neil,

here the missing data....179 ci, app. 483 hp

The car they use was originally for the standing start record...but the second car for the flying kilo had trouble with the engine...they was lucky enough that the tank was just big enough to run also the flying mile....so this version set both, standing and flying records.....the second car was a little bit different in the air intake (nose) and the windshield...left and right close....
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: manta22 on August 25, 2014, 03:49:52 PM
Thanks, Pork Pie. You are an encyclopedia of information.

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on August 25, 2014, 05:40:18 PM
He must be like 170 or something by now
Happy birthday Goggles
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: tauruck on August 25, 2014, 07:24:51 PM
Happy Birthday James. :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: 4-barrel Mike on August 25, 2014, 07:38:06 PM
Yes, Happy Birthday, where ever you are!

Mike
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on August 26, 2014, 02:15:12 AM
I just had blueberry tart in Yoncalla, watched over by the little Puke, Jim L and some guy who's name I can't remember, thanks for the directions Pa you cunning old sod.......

Next time I come to Oregon I'm bringing a lifejacket and some flares..........
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on August 26, 2014, 08:49:36 AM
James,  to a great birthday---so sad didn't get to see you this season
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on August 26, 2014, 09:16:16 AM
Happy Birthday whenever and wherever it was James....  :cheers:

I guess I will have to mail you your tshirt since you have decided not to stay for the WoS  :evil:

G, are you coming over this year?

See you next year I hope
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on August 26, 2014, 09:57:34 AM
280 pages and I can't find if you mentioned the weight of "The Spirit of Sunshine" or not.

If you would have to kill me if you told me, I'm not interested but if it was just a slight maiming I'd like to know.   :-D


  Don

 hey Don, I felt guilty last night when in the middle of all that hospitality you asked me again how much it weighed. When I get home I'll make a point of making E By Grumm take it down to a weigh station.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on August 26, 2014, 10:21:51 AM
Birthday?  :? Another one?  :-P Make it Happy, my friend.  :cheers: Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on August 26, 2014, 10:36:01 AM
Yeah, Wayno pretty much every year I have one.

Where's Sid, the least he could do is wish me well for remaining one year older than him, whippersnapper
Title: Streamliner 412
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on August 26, 2014, 12:40:12 PM
Instead of a full streamliner concept that fits over everything, the images above of adding wheel pants (ala Carbinite) or Orpheus-style housing would be interesting. (and fairly easy to integrate without damage and could be done remotely and shipped easier due to smaller sizes)  The addition of these panels would increase surface area itself -- but the frontal aspect would remain about the same and the airflow would be cleaner than the existing exposed wheels.

Given the baseline testing of the belly tank and known data about everything ala speed/gearing/displacement, it would make an interesting scientific project without breaking the budget.  Possibly three iterations or more of testing:  (and feedback in regard to directional stability)

1) Simple Carbinite NACA 6600 profile derived wheel covers over all four wheels (or rear two only). Or other shapes?
2) Orpheus configuration of integrated front/rear cover.
3/4) Variants of 1/2 with additional appendages to cleanup airflow over suspension / axles / etc.

We had considered this in a super cheap way a few years ago with using some Morris minor fenders as "cheater guards" to simply change the class, and we even built some bolt on ones that didn't do anything for aero but did the class change only to cheekily mop up two open class records. We have yet to run them though.

This is something to consider as an exercise indeed even if it is for interest sake for all concerned and I am sure there would be much interest and discussion derived from it. I could pretty easily draw the NACA shape in 3D and cut it a mold using our 5 axis router at uni...

The thing is though your version 3/4 above is sort of what I am proposing anyway but hopefully in a more stylish manner than the accretion method described would produce (IMO).

The main issue in my mind is the use of ground effects or not. If that was the piece cleaning up airflow as you describe in 3/4 then I could make a couple of different types that gave proof of concept. If it doesn't work then there is no point building a whole new car based on this idea and better to go a different route.

There are a number of factors governing whether it will work or not in the manner we want it to work which will include which record we are going for (ie what top speed), the type and power of the engine, the final cD of the car including the ground effect device compared to not having it, all of which is not yet decided but each are important variables. What I want to do is see if there is a best set of variables given established records and run that package.

Superleggera you have me thinking... if we are to build a new chassis then a modular designed body might be the solution where it is designed with the ability to test all aspects of bodywork... it is a matter of defining joint lines and hard points (a contemporary auto manufacture methodology).

I still want to do some proof of concept stuff on the SOS chassis though...

rH+
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Freud on August 26, 2014, 12:47:58 PM
After all of the birthday wishes I have received I missed Goggs day?

Sorry about that. I suppose the airplane pulling the banner was over OZ.

Best wishes Kid.

FREUD
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on August 26, 2014, 05:06:40 PM
Thanks Pa, I caught the girl that jumped outa the cake :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: salt27 on August 26, 2014, 06:42:09 PM
Thanks Pa, I caught the girl that jumped outa the cake :cheers:

Smart girl for jumping, that cake was on fire.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: salt27 on August 26, 2014, 06:45:18 PM
I don't know if he actually caught her but he certainly has a hold of her. 
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Freud on August 26, 2014, 06:52:24 PM
I don't know if he actually caught her but he certainly has a hold of her.  

In actuality, She has the hold on Him.

It is a shame that her life will be altered to a great extent.

So Solly.

FREUD
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on August 26, 2014, 06:54:06 PM
WHOA!  It looks like you actually got all 164 candles on that damned thing!

Next birthday, Doc, I'll loan you my SF 15 suit.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Freud on August 26, 2014, 06:55:12 PM
As I read the posts there in no mention of a meeting with One Run Bob.

That may have saved both nations.

FREUD
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: 4-barrel Mike on August 26, 2014, 07:01:02 PM
Apparently his only stop in Portland was the Tiki Room in The Alibi.

Mike
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on August 26, 2014, 07:05:56 PM
Thanks Pa, I caught the girl that jumped outa the cake :cheers:

That's why Glenn couldn't find her . . .

(http://i361.photobucket.com/albums/oo58/milwaukeemidget/Glenn_zps36b92aca.jpg) (http://s361.photobucket.com/user/milwaukeemidget/media/Glenn_zps36b92aca.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: PJQ on August 28, 2014, 07:10:31 AM
Hi Rev,
Check out Mercedes pre-war landspeed efforts, some lovely aero shapes going on...
http://wiki.mercedes-benz-classic.com/index.php/Kategorie:MB_Rekordwagen/en#General_informations

Happy birthday Doc, and Cheers to Cassie

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: twodear on September 18, 2014, 04:23:31 PM
Where did everyone go? I miss my morning read before the toolbox meeting. :?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on September 18, 2014, 05:41:41 PM
OK.

I have been slack, I'll get onto it and tell at least some of the story on the recent US trip, some of it can't be shown, some of it can't be told........


 :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on September 18, 2014, 06:12:19 PM
some of it once seen, can't be unseen
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Freud on September 18, 2014, 06:51:54 PM
I'm confused.

Does that means that if he tells the story from the US

while he is down under it will be upside down?

What program is needed to have it make sense?

Maybe just the part from San Fran would be upside down ?????

If the answers are too difficult to write and for me to read, forget it.

FREUD
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on September 19, 2014, 02:20:25 AM


 I went to America.

There.

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on September 19, 2014, 06:51:36 AM
Which one?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on September 19, 2014, 10:17:42 AM
James... at least you remembered where you headed before you started drinking  :roll:
 :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on September 20, 2014, 06:41:46 AM
I went to fat town, I'm finding my own way back. 200lbs of bacon, burger, bbq and boutique beer fuelled bachanalia.

Ok, landed in LA after flying from Melbourne via Aukland. Got our rental car Vlad the blood red Impala, stayed on the canals in Venice, ate at the trashcan (El Tarasco), got phone sims, went to Canters pigged out, ate sushi in Venice beach, went to the walk of fame, bought some basics for Wendover....  hit the road for the Joshua Tree National Park.

Stayed at 29 Palms. If you go there take your own food, seriously.

We watched the sun go down out in the park, saw a coyote slinking past.

Headed for Vegas via Ambon blasting along the old back roads. Visited Hoover Dam. Got the the zoo late afternoon. If you want Wi-Fi or phone reception stay away from Vegas, or for that matter anything you can eat at a reasonable cost. Still Cassie hadn't seen Vegas, and , well, it needs to be seen. We had a good feed of crawfish and mussells and then hit Frankies Tiki bar, that place is something else. Needless to say it ain't on the strip.

We already knew that the meet was off by this point but we were still going to meet salt family, we planned to get to Wendover by 3pm Saturday.

TBC........

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: gkabbt on September 20, 2014, 07:30:17 AM
.....went to Canters pigged out,


I worked for a wonderful Jewish family when I lived in Los Angeles and they first took me there in 1970!
GREAT place to eat and my wife and I go there when we visit Los Angeles.

Gregg
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on September 22, 2014, 06:03:41 PM
I love the drive north through Nevada up to Wendover, the huge valleys that go on until the horizon. Australia is a big place but time has worn it down and the stability of the plate on which it sits means they aren't making mountains like they used to. What was big here has been eroded over billions of years, the highest peak here is under 8000ft, yeah, I know, you've got a hundred mountains higher than that. That drive through Nevada is one that makes you realise how small we are.

Somewhere along the road there we saw a guy thumbing a lift , in the absolute middle of nowhere. He had nothing except a huge stuffed toy under his arm. Wherever he was going it wasn't to be with us.

We spent three days in Wendover, she's a lonely place when the racing is off. Freud, Brett Kepner and Wayno were about the only familiar faces at the 6, everyone was thinking about the trip home. There was an aimless feel about the place, different to the manic intensity that is Wendover during Speedweek.

We met up with Chris and Kate and Chris's dad at the Rainbow and looked over the Midget, he's a better man than to be clenching his fist at the heavens despite the shattering weight of five years of work culminating in a month long thrash and a punishing drive. Time and again people tried to sort of apologise to us for the cancellation, but we were on holidays, we'd lost nothing. I've done the cancellation bit, the race that doesn't go ahead, blown the money to get stuff done, and not gone, it's tough but it makes the good times all that much sweeter.

TBC
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stan Back on September 22, 2014, 06:41:39 PM
I doubt if we'll live long enuf, but the SoCal to Wendover trip I conduct is maybe a total of 100 miles longer.  I can tell you'd love to join me.

To Vegas and up the 93 thru Caliente and on to Pioche, a mining town perched on the side of a mountain with cabled ore buckets hung all the way to the valley to the smelter.  And a drink in the Overland Hotel, circa whatever.  On to Ely for the $40 night room in the tallest building in Nevada (1926 -- five stories).  I've always tried to have a beverage in every bar in Ely in one night.  Never made it.  There's one building with 3 bars in it -- all different.  And Big Valleys after Big Valleys.

And on the way back -- outta Ely to Tonopah to the Mizpah Hotel, the tallest building in Nevada (1905 -- four stories).  And then down thru Goldfield, a big, run-down mining town, and a bit farther to turn west at the closed whorehouse to cross the mountains thru the Brisstlecone Forest, the oldest living trees on earth.  Tight, curvy road down to Hwy. 395 at Big Pine (Lone Pine, can't remember) and the view of the eastern Sierra including Mt. Whitney, the tallest mountain in the contiguous 48.

Go one way, come back another.  (For those that never tried it, I clocked the Tonopah route this year and it appears only 30 miles longer than the 318-93-15 route and you don't have to go thru Vegas.)

Any way, I'm fortunate to look forward to my trips to SpeedWeek.

Stan
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: jdincau on September 22, 2014, 07:03:41 PM
We usually go the Bishop, Tonopah, Ely route, I hate the drive to Vegas on the 15. My favorite part of the drive is highway 6 from Currant ranch junction to Ely, it goes through a neat winding valley with little cattle and alfalfa farms and we always see an elk or two.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on September 22, 2014, 07:51:00 PM

We met up with Chris and Kate and Chris's dad at the Rainbow and looked over the Midget, he's a better man than to be clenching his fist at the heavens despite the shattering weight of five years of work culminating in a month long thrash and a punishing drive. Time and again people tried to sort of apologise to us for the cancellation, but we were on holidays, we'd lost nothing. I've done the cancellation bit, the race that doesn't go ahead, blown the money to get stuff done, and not gone, it's tough but it makes the good times all that much sweeter.


"Shattering weight?"  If I ponder that, I'm compelled to argue.

Reality - you have no idea what an inspiration you and the SOS project is to keeping the Midget to task.

How many times have you been rained out in the last half dozen years?  2208, 2011, 2012?  I've got more T-shirts from DLRA Speedweeks that DIDN'T occur than ones that have!

Punishing drive?  Long, yes, but we drop down to Interstate 80 and get off at exit 4.  I often revisit your trips to Gairdner in your build diary.  I doubt many of us would be doing this if we had to conduct business in as remote a location as you do.  Many of us here complain about being gouged by the casinos for rooms - I remain mindful of the fact that we've got hot showers, clean beds and phone service.

In 2009, it was your fellow countrymen at Marsh Restorations, bringing over their Healey recreations that clarified for me what my mission was.

2010 saw me making a 22.5 mph pass that had me questioning the whole project, but never withdrawing from it.  No regrets.

2012 saw a stuck valve almost destroy the project.  Went to World Finals anyway, and turned the rest of the week into a vacation with Kate not to dissimilar to your holiday here with Cassie.  No regrets.

2013 saw Mark's influence on the project, and a speed that raised a few eyebrows.  Certainly no regrets there.

2014 at World of Speed saw the work come to fruition with a record.  And the one regret I have - and one I hope to someday remedy - is that my plan of you piloting this car to a record will one day happen.  I see a record on two continents in your future - I only wish it could have happened this year in the Midget. 

No, there was no shattering weight.  It's all a grand experiment, and one in which I feel particularly pleased with the company I've been fortunate enough to keep.

Now here's the REAL deal.

There is a WHOLE BUNCH OF THE UNITED STATES OUTSIDE OF CALIFORNIA, NEVADA, UTAH, IDAHO, ETC., that you seem compelled to ignore.

I will not stand for it, and neither will Kate, and I suspect Stainless might be a bit put-off by your inability to cross the continental divide as well.

Doc, the door is open, and it goes beyond an invitation.  We expect a visit - and you'd better bring Cassie.  :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on September 22, 2014, 11:13:34 PM
There is a WHOLE BUNCH OF THE UNITED STATES OUTSIDE OF CALIFORNIA, NEVADA, UTAH, IDAHO, ETC., that you seem compelled to ignore.

I will not stand for it, and neither will Kate, and I suspect Stainless might be a bit put-off by your inability to cross the continental divide as well.

Doc, the door is open, and it goes beyond an invitation.  We expect a visit - and you'd better bring Cassie.  :cheers:

You're too kind Chris.

As soon as I can work out how to fund an endless drive I will visit every f***** town on the continent. The less we'd heard about a place the more we liked it, there must be 5000 little towns where you could get some kicks. Public sculpture, flashing lights, museums? got 'em here. I(we) are a bit more about the National Geographic type interface, it's people in the environment and what they do that interests me so much more than Disneyland or the big city sights.

People asked what music we saw. The only proper gig we saw was just around the corner from where we were staying in Seattle. A pizza place, it was the barmaids birthday and some friends had put on an impromptu gig, there were maybe 20 people there, three of them slam dancing to the goofy post punk stuff they were playing, honest and raw.

That, the Idaho State Fair and the minor league ball game we saw in Portland were up there as the highlights of the trip.

More to come.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on September 22, 2014, 11:30:38 PM
Quote from: Milwaukee Midget link=topic=862.msg262547#msg262547

 Now here's the REAL deal.

There is a WHOLE BUNCH OF THE UNITED STATES OUTSIDE OF CALIFORNIA, NEVADA, UTAH, IDAHO, ETC., that you seem compelled to ignore.

I will not stand for it, and neither will Kate, and I suspect Stainless might be a bit put-off by your inability to cross the continental divide as well.

Doc, the door is open, and it goes beyond an invitation.  We expect a visit - and you'd better bring Cassie.  :cheers:

Plenty of room for visitors here in the flat lands... now that you have thoroughly visited the land of fruit and nuts, as well as the northern hitherlands of the west coast you can venture into places like Colorado, Kansas and Wisconsin... and besides, we have something to discuss... best done face to face :-D  :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on September 23, 2014, 12:17:49 AM
Plenty of room for visitors here in the flat lands... now that you have thoroughly visited the land of fruit and nuts, as well as the northern hitherlands of the west coast you can venture into places like Colorado, Kansas and Wisconsin... and besides, we have something to discuss... best done face to face :-D  :cheers:

...and accompanied by that game where you stab the table between your fingers?

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on September 23, 2014, 01:06:57 AM
I doubt if we'll live long enuf, but the SoCal to Wendover trip I conduct is maybe a total of 100 miles longer.  I can tell you'd love to join me.

To Vegas and up the 93 thru Caliente and on to Pioche, a mining town perched on the side of a mountain with cabled ore buckets hung all the way to the valley to the smelter.  And a drink in the Overland Hotel, circa whatever.  On to Ely for the $40 night room in the tallest building in Nevada (1926 -- five stories).  I've always tried to have a beverage in every bar in Ely in one night.  Never made it.  There's one building with 3 bars in it -- all different.  And Big Valleys after Big Valleys.

And on the way back -- outta Ely to Tonopah to the Mizpah Hotel, the tallest building in Nevada (1905 -- four stories).  And then down thru Goldfield, a big, run-down mining town, and a bit farther to turn west at the closed whorehouse to cross the mountains thru the Brisstlecone Forest, the oldest living trees on earth.  Tight, curvy road down to Hwy. 395 at Big Pine (Lone Pine, can't remember) and the view of the eastern Sierra including Mt. Whitney, the tallest mountain in the contiguous 48.

Go one way, come back another.  (For those that never tried it, I clocked the Tonopah route this year and it appears only 30 miles longer than the 318-93-15 route and you don't have to go thru Vegas.)

Any way, I'm fortunate to look forward to my trips to SpeedWeek.

Stan
Ive always wanted to do a "Willin" tour...... Tucson to Tucumcari, Tehachapi to Tonopah, one day Jim I'm going to hitch a lift with you there and back and you can show me the sights, four legs should make that Ely challenge do-able. :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: manta22 on September 23, 2014, 01:57:42 PM
Goggles;

If you're going to be in Tucson, give me a call.


Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Freud on September 24, 2014, 12:40:02 PM
In our racing world You could likely be Australia's representative.

Of course NZ is standing at Lands End, arms crossed defiantly, saying

"What about us?'

Who nose...........maybe they just haven't told their story yet.

We are blessed by all of you.

FREUD
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on September 25, 2014, 07:33:52 AM
Hey Pa, blessed to be part of it :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on September 27, 2014, 08:03:05 PM
Hey. My stars are back
Thanks Bob
I am again a Five star ocean going
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Tman on September 29, 2014, 12:03:02 AM
Open invitation to Western South Dakota, good beer, mountains, Badlands, Mt Rushmore and you can see em all from the top of our property! In fact, Chick and Tony Huntimer are here as we speak.  :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: gkabbt on September 30, 2014, 08:14:50 AM
And I can vouch for what Trent says about his place.....GREAT scenery in all directions.
Trent, we might be doing another out West trip again next year! I need another bottle or two of Red A-s-s Rhubarb Wine......GOOD STUFF!!!!!

Gregg
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Tman on October 04, 2014, 12:43:14 PM
And I can vouch for what Trent says about his place.....GREAT scenery in all directions.
Trent, we might be doing another out West trip again next year! I need another bottle or two of Red A-s-s Rhubarb Wine......GOOD STUFF!!!!!

Gregg

The winery has expanded and added a brewery.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on October 04, 2014, 09:10:46 PM
 Trent,I was out having a feed with a bunch of people and one of them is doing a PhD in DNA forensics related to fauna smuggling, I was talking about you because she'd met someone who it sounds like might have been one of your neighbours...

" he lives in the Black Hills area, you know right at Rushmore there, he's a climber and stuff and he has a brewery.."

sound familiar?.... my friend's name is Sherryn :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Tman on October 10, 2014, 09:48:33 PM
Trent,I was out having a feed with a bunch of people and one of them is doing a PhD in DNA forensics related to fauna smuggling, I was talking about you because she'd met someone who it sounds like might have been one of your neighbours...

" he lives in the Black Hills area, you know right at Rushmore there, he's a climber and stuff and he has a brewery.."

sound familiar?.... my friend's name is Sherryn :cheers:

Pretty sure it is one of 2 folks either in Custer or Hill City.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on October 19, 2014, 05:13:00 AM
Just back from Queensland
Dropped in at Ross Brown's place
http://www.dlra.org.au/forum/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=1314
Corinne had a test fitting
G
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Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on October 19, 2014, 05:47:33 AM
Any idea when he'll be running it?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: wobblywalrus on October 19, 2014, 11:54:18 AM
Will duplex chains be needed to handle all of the at horsepower?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on November 29, 2014, 06:21:07 PM
Will duplex chains be needed to handle all of the at horsepower?

I'm not sure, I thing he is only going to run single 630's
with water cooling

In other news

I'm looking for a three inch stroke crank for an even fire chev V6
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on November 29, 2014, 06:31:14 PM
In other news

I'm looking for a three inch stroke crank for an even fire chev V6
G

 ?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on November 30, 2014, 05:17:15 AM
In other news

I'm looking for a three inch stroke crank for an even fire chev V6
G

 ?

think 3/4's of a 302 SBC........path of least resistance to 440hp :wink:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on November 30, 2014, 12:11:06 PM
So the Holden is binned?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on November 30, 2014, 04:11:25 PM
I just can't get past the little valves and the availability of decent performance parts
They run them in wingless sprint cars and and there used to be a Formula Holden series here
But we  made the same sort horsepower as the formula holden cars on the dyno
I feel that I'm at the naturally aspirated limit for this engine
3" stroke in a 4" bore Chevy V6. you know it makes sense
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on November 30, 2014, 05:00:03 PM
I just can't get past the little valves and the availability of decent performance parts
They run them in wingless sprint cars and and there used to be a Formula Holden series here
But we  made the same sort horsepower as the formula holden cars on the dyno
I feel that I'm at the naturally aspirated limit for this engine
3" stroke in a 4" bore Chevy V6. you know it makes sense
G

Makes sense for cheap parts availability, but if you're building from scratch around a 4" bore, a 3" stroke in a 6 cylinder E engine doesn't.

Have you considered taking off .020 in an offset grind on a 4.3 crank?  Puts you right at the class limit.  :roll:

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on November 30, 2014, 06:43:30 PM
 I had thought about an offset grind 262, hadn't discussed it with G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: wobblywalrus on December 01, 2014, 01:26:25 AM
Graham, there is always the option of figuring out what you need and having it made.  That used to be a very expensive way to go.  It is a lot more economical now due to advances in machine tool control.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on December 01, 2014, 03:14:46 PM
Colonel, time to change your byline back to "Victoria's car theft capital".....Sunshine doesn't even get a mention.......

http://www.theage.com.au/national/car-thefts-surge-with-a-19-per-cent-increase-in-victoria-20141201-11xsbm.html
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on December 02, 2014, 03:39:19 PM

Makes sense for cheap parts availability, but if you're building from scratch around a 4" bore, a 3" stroke in a 6 cylinder E engine doesn't.

Have you considered taking off .020 in an offset grind on a 4.3 crank?  Puts you right at the class limit.  :roll:


I don't really want to be right on the class limit with the 4" bore. if we (Goggles) break it and I have to rebore , it could be a problem

Graham, there is always the option of figuring out what you need and having it made.  That used to be a very expensive way to go.  It is a lot more economical now due to advances in machine tool control.

It may be more economical in the USA, but it's still not here
With a Chev . I can use off the shelf V8 parts form the bellhousing to the water pump. Only big $$ thing is the crank.
If we had 4" more room we could look at a really short stroke V8.

G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: wobblywalrus on December 02, 2014, 08:58:08 PM
You are right, Graham.  Custom stuff does take time to make and that can be a big issue if it needs to go halfway across the world to get to you.  Not always.  The specially made suspension items made by Ikon in Albury, NSW, get to me quicker and with less trouble than any suspension builder I have found over here.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: salt27 on December 02, 2014, 11:12:32 PM
Colonel, time to change your byline back to "Victoria's car theft capital".....Sunshine doesn't even get a mention.......


"Sunshine doesn't even get a mention"  :? Explanation?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on December 03, 2014, 03:11:05 AM
You are right, Graham.  Custom stuff does take time to make and that can be a big issue if it needs to go halfway across the world to get to you.  Not always.  The specially made suspension items made by Ikon in Albury, NSW, get to me quicker and with less trouble than any suspension builder I have found over here.

Yep
I've got them or Koni's on most of my bikes
We were getting them to do custom stuff for scooters
Good product, although they always seem too heavy in the springs.
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on December 03, 2014, 05:24:22 PM
Colonel, time to change your byline back to "Victoria's car theft capital".....Sunshine doesn't even get a mention.......


"Sunshine doesn't even get a mention"  :? Explanation?

figures on car thefts in suburbs of Melbourne, Preston was as Graham formerly called it "Victoria's car theft capital"...he took it down when it appeatred more cars were being stolen in Sunshine than anywhere else.......well, these figured prove Preston is back............
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: salt27 on December 03, 2014, 08:13:06 PM
Colonel, time to change your byline back to "Victoria's car theft capital".....Sunshine doesn't even get a mention.......


"Sunshine doesn't even get a mention"  :? Explanation?

figures on car thefts in suburbs of Melbourne, Preston was as Graham formerly called it "Victoria's car theft capital"...he took it down when it appeatred more cars were being stolen in Sunshine than anywhere else.......well, these figured prove Preston is back............

Thank you for clearing that up. Totally makes sense, just a bragging right issue.   :roll:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on December 03, 2014, 08:24:23 PM
Colonel, time to change your byline back to "Victoria's car theft capital".....Sunshine doesn't even get a mention.......


"Sunshine doesn't even get a mention"  :? Explanation?

figures on car thefts in suburbs of Melbourne, Preston was as Graham formerly called it "Victoria's car theft capital"...he took it down when it appeatred more cars were being stolen in Sunshine than anywhere else.......well, these figured prove Preston is back............

Thank you for clearing that up. Totally makes sense, just a bragging right issue.   :roll:

I was talking to guy who lives in Castlemaine. (country Victoria)  He used to be able to leave his keys in the car and his house unlocked. Someone stole his car and set it on fire the other day. He was in the shop because his bike wouldn't run. Some one had put sugar in the tank.

G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on December 03, 2014, 09:31:39 PM
I don't get it - I'm driving the right car, but every morning, I go out to the garage, and it's still there . . .

http://www.jsonline.com/news/crime/after-years-of-decline-auto-thefts-soar-in-milwaukee-b99326624z1-270497021.html
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on December 04, 2014, 03:31:35 AM
Colonel, time to change your byline back to "Victoria's car theft capital".....Sunshine doesn't even get a mention.......


"Sunshine doesn't even get a mention"  :? Explanation?

figures on car thefts in suburbs of Melbourne, Preston was as Graham formerly called it "Victoria's car theft capital"...he took it down when it appeatred more cars were being stolen in Sunshine than anywhere else.......well, these figured prove Preston is back............

Thank you for clearing that up. Totally makes sense, just a bragging right issue.   :roll:

I was talking to guy who lives in Castlemaine. (country Victoria)  He used to be able to leave his keys in the car and his house unlocked. Someone stole his car and set it on fire the other day. He was in the shop because his bike wouldn't run. Some one had put sugar in the tank.

G


Three years I paid insurance on that Commodore, I would have been happy if they just set it on fire, however stealing it first so it didn't kill the lawn woulda been a nice touch.

Castlemaine hey, who'da thought there'd be anything worth stealing up there..... :evil:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on December 04, 2014, 04:07:13 PM

Castlemaine hey, who'da thought there'd be anything worth stealing up there..... :evil:

Apparently there is not much to do there when your young or unemployed apart from using ice and stealing stuff
and putting sugar in Ducati fuel tanks when you can't steal them
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: salt27 on December 07, 2014, 03:07:27 PM
Colonel, time to change your byline back to "Victoria's car theft capital".....Sunshine doesn't even get a mention.......


"Sunshine doesn't even get a mention"  :? Explanation?

figures on car thefts in suburbs of Melbourne, Preston was as Graham formerly called it "Victoria's car theft capital"...he took it down when it appeatred more cars were being stolen in Sunshine than anywhere else.......well, these figured prove Preston is back............

I read theft and Sunshine, Thought Spirit of Sunshine, much relieved.  :-P
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on December 07, 2014, 03:54:45 PM

I read theft and Sunshine, Thought Spirit of Sunshine, much relieved.  :-P

It's fine
Parked under a tree at a mysterious location.
Not Sunshine or Preston
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on December 08, 2014, 04:06:11 PM

I read theft and Sunshine, Thought Spirit of Sunshine, much relieved.  :-P

It's fine
Parked under a tree at a mysterious location.
Not Sunshine or Preston
G

I'm really gonna have to make some extra big storage wheels for it...the new shed has no proper driveway yet.... :wink: :wink:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: salt27 on December 09, 2014, 01:22:09 PM

I read theft and Sunshine, Thought Spirit of Sunshine, much relieved.  :-P

It's fine
Parked under a tree at a mysterious location.
Not Sunshine or Preston
G

I'm really gonna have to make some extra big storage wheels for it...the new shed has no proper driveway yet.... :wink: :wink:

Horse trailer sold, room in barn, easy access, just saying.    :roll:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on December 10, 2014, 06:53:33 AM
you always say.

 :wink:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Geo on December 10, 2014, 07:56:00 AM
Quote
one of the most common jobs I get in at work is replacing Triumph alternator stators
unplug it from the regulator and check to see if any of the three yellow wires have continuity to earth

The mystery of the yellow wire is solved at last!

Geo
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on December 10, 2014, 09:07:09 PM
Now we just need to clear up the mystery of why Goggles paints everything yellow
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Rob on December 10, 2014, 10:06:41 PM
One of the mates is colour blind and can only distinguish yellow...,,, Goggles?  :wink:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: salt27 on December 10, 2014, 10:39:58 PM
Perhaps a Coldplay song stuck in his noggin.   :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on December 11, 2014, 02:16:41 AM
Now we just need to clear up the mystery of why Goggles paints everything yellow
G

quick, better go outside and check the Monaro .........
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on December 11, 2014, 04:04:27 AM
Now we just need to clear up the mystery of why Goggles paints everything yellow
G

quick, better go outside and check the Monaro .........

Piccardy red and rust brown

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Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: tauruck on December 17, 2014, 01:10:38 AM
We had lots of those here. There was this big fight over the the Monaro and the Chev SS. Same car different motor. One had a Holden and the other a Chevy.
I hope Goggles gets his hands on yours!!!!. Yellow is cool. :-D :wink:

Unless you really like "Baggy Green"?.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on December 17, 2014, 02:03:06 AM
Meh, some old car.........

That my friend is the "Bathurst" homologated 327, he's been offered a house for that, like an idiot he turned it down.....I tried to explain that sure he can sleep in his car but the house comes with sewerage, AND a shower, he's English, he just looked at me funny when I said shower........ :roll:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on December 17, 2014, 02:11:44 AM
Meh, some old car.........

That my friend is the "Bathurst" homologated 327, he's been offered a house for that, like an idiot he turned it down.....I tried to explain that sure he can sleep in his car but the house comes with sewerage, AND a shower, he's English, he just looked at me funny when I said shower........ :roll:

That's silly.
I've got a certificate says I'm Australian
The government came and took away my safe with the soap in it on the same day I was nuetralised
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on December 23, 2014, 03:47:03 PM
Yo hoh ho!

Hi Everyone, thanks for another great year here, this is the Christmas message primer.....

Yes, I know I particularly have been a little thin on the ground here, there are good and not so good reasons for that. We have decided that we will be leaving the Spirit of Sunshine at home for the 25th annual DLRA Speedweek in 2015. The reasons are many. Although we have got some ideas in the works, we need to distill them down , to a useable set , of ideas..... There will be a new home for the SOS early in the new year, a better workshop, maybe a little more time on my hands....

There was the trip to the US this year that despite the cancellation of Speedweek was a holiday of a lifetime and I need to thank Chris and Kate, Wayno, Don and Sandra, Chris and Lori and of course Freud for their hospitality. The plan to spend a year in Canada has been shelved in favour of another venture here in Oz. So, we'll be back, maybe not next year but we'll be back and maybe next time with a race car...

Let the festivities begin.........

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on December 23, 2014, 05:09:39 PM
say it ain't so  :-o
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on December 23, 2014, 06:49:20 PM

Let the festivities begin.........


Full steam ahead.

The big upside to Speedweek getting cancelled was spending time with you, brother.
 
Put SOS in a new dry dock, recompose the rigging and focus on the flank speed.

Call if you need anything.

And Merry Christmas!

 :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on December 23, 2014, 09:05:59 PM
Bill, it is so.

Chris, oath!
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: wobblywalrus on December 24, 2014, 11:11:20 PM
That Penrite oil I am using was ordered from Summit Racing.  They sent me their catalog a week ago and went through it page by page.  I can see why you are going to a small block Chevy.  There is so much available and it is ready made at very affordable prices - compared to bike stuff.

Have a Merry Christmas   
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on December 25, 2014, 01:31:12 AM

I don't really want to be right on the class limit with the 4" bore. if we (Goggles) break it and I have to rebore , it could be a problem

G

Grummy, I think you're being overly cautious.  Let's follow that scenario to its logical conclusion.

We're talking about a Chevy V6 block.  They're as common as dirt, and you can likely pick one up for scrap value.  

If it breaks in a way that's going to require a rebore, something else probably went wrong.  Cheating yourself on cubic inches to keep the option of reboring a disposable block - likely the cheapest component in the entire build?

Reverse the thought process.  Take the horsepower increase the additional capacity gives you and divide it by the cost of a spare block.

Where are you going to find cheaper horsepower than in that equation?  :roll:

And that cash outlay would only be required if, indeed, it did break.


Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on December 25, 2014, 02:53:34 AM
Yep. Scrap value on your side of the planet.
I'm in the country where buying a small can of coke
in a gas station will set you back $3.00
A Chev v6 will set me back about $2500.00
If I go for a crank that uses a stroke that's used in a V8, the rest "should" be
easy, especially on the wallet. And I'm not talking 3.48".
I'm trying to keep it well inside E/Gas
Of course , if I could find something like Stainless ran in that big car
That would be easier
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Speed Limit 1000 on December 25, 2014, 11:07:32 PM
Have Stainless crate it up and we could come and help tune it :cheers:
Afterall it is Christmas
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 12, 2015, 03:47:55 PM
Colonel?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on January 12, 2015, 06:24:13 PM
Sorry , what...

I'm liking the Chevy because of the availability of hi performance parts.
and with the four inch bore we can move on from the 1.7/1.5 valves
3.25 inch stroke would also work and I would be fine with that

G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Rex Schimmer on January 14, 2015, 03:07:28 PM
Why not just build a V8 and run just 6 of the cylinders. Keith Dorton has built several of these and they make great hp and there are a lot more parts for the V8 than there are for a V6. There is a Monza that runs at the salt by one of the Burkdal family that does this and it is running close to the record in the E class and pretty much with "Ebay" parts.

6 cylinders of a 4.125 bore with a 3.25 stroke would get you right at the 260 number.
Just another thought.

Rex
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 14, 2015, 03:17:01 PM
Why not just build a V8 and run just 6 of the cylinders. Keith Dorton has built several of these and they make great hp and there are a lot more parts for the V8 than there are for a V6. There is a Monza that runs at the salt by one of the Burkdal family that does this and it is running close to the record in the E class and pretty much with "Ebay" parts.

6 cylinders of a 4.125 bore with a 3.25 stroke would get you right at the 260 number.
Just another thought.

Rex

Rex, you've mistaken a teacup for your spirit measure again. If we could just pop a V8 in it, we would, and we'd destroke it.

Our car is a little bit shorter than my attention span, if we had a small block in it it'd be fuller than the confessional on New Years day.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on January 14, 2015, 04:01:53 PM
If a V8 would fit. I would use one, although a chev, without the water pump may go in
If we moved the gearbox back an inch or two, shortened the tailshaft to just a yoke with a uni joint on it
cut the water tank and moved the battery

And my Dad keeps reminding me that I have a 253 ci holden V8 sitting at his farm

However, there just isn't the room

G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Rex Schimmer on January 14, 2015, 05:17:18 PM
I see now! It is the 10 lbs of $hit in a 5 lb box problem! Going with the V6 thinking have you ever considered the Ford/Yamaha V6. I think DOHC with 5 valves per cyl. Tracer Racing used one of these to set the E lakester record a few years ago.

The Chevrolet "small block" , 90 degree,based V6 is probably the best way to go, we ran a similar sized one with a set of hair dryers in our Lola T600 when I was at Interscope Racing. Ryan Falconer built them, used Porsche Kuglefisher injection from a 935 turbo and made about 900 hp, so the potential is there. We had some Chevrolet aluminum heads that were small block based and when we tried the V6 at Indy we had the splayed valve, big block style head. Those engines were making about 800 -850 at 9500 with 56 inches of boost on alky. I think that they were about 200 inches. ( May have been 160 inches, don't really remember)

Rex
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 14, 2015, 06:49:18 PM
I see now! It is the 10 lbs of $hit in a 5 lb box problem! Going with the V6 thinking have you ever considered the Ford/Yamaha V6. I think DOHC with 5 valves per cyl. Tracer Racing used one of these to set the E lakester record a few years ago.

The Chevrolet "small block" , 90 degree,based V6 is probably the best way to go, we ran a similar sized one with a set of hair dryers in our Lola T600 when I was at Interscope Racing. Ryan Falconer built them, used Porsche Kuglefisher injection from a 935 turbo and made about 900 hp, so the potential is there. We had some Chevrolet aluminum heads that were small block based and when we tried the V6 at Indy we had the splayed valve, big block style head. Those engines were making about 800 -850 at 9500 with 56 inches of boost on alky. I think that they were about 200 inches. ( May have been 160 inches, don't really remember)

Rex

Wow, when pushed you offer up absolute gold Rex :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: tauruck on January 14, 2015, 08:15:59 PM
You could get a smaller driver. :-D :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Geo on January 14, 2015, 08:29:47 PM
How tall are you Mikey?

Do you speak Australian?

Geo
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: tauruck on January 14, 2015, 10:22:48 PM
5'7". :-D

Just a little Bruce. :wink:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on January 15, 2015, 03:34:49 AM
the smaller driver doesn't work, I've tried
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: wobblywalrus on January 16, 2015, 01:05:36 AM
What about splicing in some tube and sheet metal to lengthen the car?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: PorkPie on January 16, 2015, 06:01:53 AM
What about splicing in some tube and sheet metal to lengthen the car?

Trailer :roll: :roll: :roll: :evil: :evil: :evil:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 16, 2015, 06:43:44 AM
What about splicing in some tube and sheet metal to lengthen the car?

Heathen.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on January 16, 2015, 06:09:00 PM
Don't let 'em rib you on tight confines.  There are advantages -

1st off, you're only driving 5 miles.
2ndly, if it's a little uncomfortable, it provides an impetus to DRIVE FASTER.
3rdly, the fewer people who can - or are willing to try to fit into it - the fewer volunteers you'll have to turn down to drive it.



Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stan Back on January 16, 2015, 06:33:41 PM
So, Chris, you don't take any volunteers over 5'17"?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on January 16, 2015, 07:15:50 PM
Key to the Midget isn't height - it's a function of flexibility and determination . . .

and ignoring the obvious . . .
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on January 16, 2015, 07:29:56 PM
What about splicing in some tube and sheet metal to lengthen the car?

Trailer :roll: :roll: :roll: :evil: :evil: :evil:

I'm checking the rules as i write this
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Tman on January 17, 2015, 12:33:56 PM
Slide the driver back and put the engine betwixt his legs!
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 19, 2015, 02:50:16 PM
Slide the driver back and put the engine betwixt his legs!

Betwixt!, indeed......

there is an eight inch section over the cage, fore or aft of that and she ain't tall, or wide enough to sit in, even IN that section it's not wide enough for some........
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on January 22, 2015, 04:58:18 PM
No
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 22, 2015, 10:58:04 PM
No
G

....The excitement never stops.

The Spirit of Sunshine Landspeed Laboratory, Possum Park and Idiot Wonderland has received a minor face-lift in the form of a paint job. Both it and the luxurious quarters where luminaries from around the world stay whilst engaged in the top secret and cutting edge research development and testing have been given the once over.

Gone is the "private parts pink" , we now have "Stonnington Beige" with white trim and chocolate barge and facsia.

I have been going harder than the usual Speedweek prep with added climbing up and down ladders, I am more than a little tired after six days straight........

Last night my neighbours were serenaded with ES125 and Vibrolux, the cops must have been busy elswhere........
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on January 23, 2015, 07:22:30 PM

I'm going to figure that the Colonel's day job is for the Aussie CIA . . . . . .
 :cheers:
Fordboy

Not quite, It's not called that, but I can't mention it here as it will move me up one notch on the watch list
And I already have enough trouble leaving the country. there is a special line for me at the airport
And it did live with a woman, who at the time worked for that branch of government, however, I can't talk about it
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on January 23, 2015, 07:34:24 PM


Not quite, It's not called that, but I can't mention it here as it will move me up one notch on the watch list
And I already have enough trouble leaving the country. there is a special line for me at the airport
And it did live with a woman, who at the time worked for that branch of government, however, I can't talk about it
G

So by not talking about it, we've learned more about you than in the previous 317 pages . . .
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 23, 2015, 08:03:56 PM
 Having the Colonel talk about something like that is like setting a table next to a stream, tucking in your napkin and waiting for a fish to leap directly onto your plate. Eventually it will happen,other improbable things will likely happen first and other likely things (like dying of old age) will probably happen too, but it will happen.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: tauruck on January 23, 2015, 08:05:16 PM
And you cant take photos of him..............









because you've got your lens cap on. :roll:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on January 23, 2015, 10:53:14 PM
Cavitation in oil and fuel pumps
I could talk about that all day

Have you ever spoken to my Brother?
So have I
Remember every word. Both of them
In fact
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_veIGGP1Uh4

G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: 4-barrel Mike on January 24, 2015, 12:18:53 AM
Hmmph!  Back to Mississippi Fred McDowell.   :cheers:

Mike
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Speed Limit 1000 on January 24, 2015, 12:55:02 PM
G, that was funny :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on January 24, 2015, 04:53:50 PM

Ok
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on February 10, 2015, 05:10:33 AM
?

Anything happening?

Did the southern hemisphere go dark?

Land of Oz hit by a comet?

Oz gone Atlantis?

?   ?    ?
 :cheers:



Still no
G
F/B
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 10, 2015, 06:14:25 AM
We are talking excitedly amongst ourselves. it's nobody's business but ours until we make a decision on which way we are going :evil:....

in the meantime.....    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5u3XHADmk8
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on February 10, 2015, 07:11:13 AM
Yep. Big discussions involving how to get to the next level, how to get to Bonneville, etc.

Part of trying to finance this will be a crowd source fund request to hopefully get us what we need and where we need to go.

I am off to oz in March and so hopefully there will be news to announce after speed week.

Dik
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: tauruck on February 10, 2015, 08:10:44 AM
We are talking excitedly amongst ourselves. it's nobody's business but ours until we make a decision on which way we are going :evil:....

in the meantime.....    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5u3XHADmk8

WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU ANYWAYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!. :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on February 10, 2015, 12:28:33 PM
"You talk like a DJ"

I did a few years of radio announcing in my former life -- and developed a fine way of talking.  I wasn't a "Ron Radio" - the announcer that loves his voice and makes sure that the listeners know it, but a plain-talking public radio announcer.  It left me with a life-long sound, though -- to the point that very often when I answer the phone I'll say my hello -- and the caller will stay silent, thinking what he's heard is the message on an answering machine.  It's a minor pain -- but has advantages.  When I see via caller ID that it's someone with whom I don't want to talk I'll go into the answering machine talk -- "Hi.  This is Jon/Slim, and I can't take your call now.  (etc).  Then I go
"beeeeep" and they leave a message.

That's talking like a DJ. :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: tauruck on February 10, 2015, 11:06:53 PM
No Hijack intended but we have a DJ on our local station and she's terrible.
It's a community station so I don't think she'll be fired.
It's all "Um, giggle, Um, giggle. It goes on for three hours daily.
I've complained to no avail.
Funny thing is that her name is "Roxy Blows".
I'd love one of you guys to prank her and offer her a job in Barrow, Alaska. :-D
She's driving me nuts. This is a really dumb woman.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: salt27 on February 10, 2015, 11:38:33 PM
No Hijack intended but we have a DJ on our local station and she's terrible.
It's a community station so I don't think she'll be fired.
It's all "Um, giggle, Um, giggle. It goes on for three hours daily.
I've complained to no avail.
Funny thing is that her name is "Roxy Blows".
I'd love one of you guys to prank her and offer her a job in Barrow, Alaska. :-D
She's driving me nuts. This is a really dumb woman.

Barrow Alaska? I'm thinking Melbourne Australia.   :evil:

Just trying to steer the thread back on course.   :roll:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: tauruck on February 11, 2015, 12:01:21 AM
No Hijack intended but we have a DJ on our local station and she's terrible.
It's a community station so I don't think she'll be fired.
It's all "Um, giggle, Um, giggle. It goes on for three hours daily.
I've complained to no avail.
Funny thing is that her name is "Roxy Blows".
I'd love one of you guys to prank her and offer her a job in Barrow, Alaska. :-D
She's driving me nuts. This is a really dumb woman.

Barrow Alaska? I'm thinking Melbourne Australia.   :evil:

Just trying to steer the thread back on course.   :roll:

Sorry man :oops:.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: salt27 on February 11, 2015, 12:12:59 AM
No worry's mate.   :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on February 12, 2015, 05:04:57 PM
No worry's mate.   :-D

Sounding more Australian every day
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 12, 2015, 05:14:09 PM
All you guys are wondering whats going on and making jokes about how little the colonel says......
 

here's a transcript of our email with me trying to work out when we are leaving for the salt....blood from a stone  I tells ya.

On 2/11/2015 7:53 PM, I wrote:
what day do you want to leave for the salt?

Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 20:03:12 +1100
From: grumm441@interwebby.com
To: fourdoorshitbox@worldwidewobbly.com
Subject: Re: Skype call summary

Good question
Are you going by your self?
G

On 2/11/2015 8:34 PM, James Stewart wrote:
No, I thought I was coming with you?


OK






Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: tauruck on February 12, 2015, 08:39:56 PM
We know one thing.

You guys are really close. :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on February 12, 2015, 10:53:32 PM
Speculating.  Qantas has my e-mail address, and they keep sending me these beautiful pictures of the Sydney Opera House, with welcoming invitations to get away.

Of course, Sydney holds little interest for me.

So, if someone were sick of the cold in the northern tier of the United States, and wanted to hire a car and go to Gairdner, would it make more sense to fly into Melbourne, or Adelaide?

Or would rental restrictions be so severe that if one's final destination were known, one would be laughed out of the kiosk?

Again, speculating, but for little more than the cost of a room at Speedweek for 7 days equaling round trip air fare, I think this weather might be turning me into a flight risk.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: salt27 on February 12, 2015, 11:12:36 PM
No worry's mate.   :-D

Sounding more Australian every day
G

I've been hanging with your associate too much. 

I'm getting the urge to construct a shlt brick fence.   :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 12, 2015, 11:27:42 PM
Speculating.  Qantas has my e-mail address, and they keep sending me these beautiful pictures of the Sydney Opera House, with welcoming invitations to get away.

Of course, Sydney holds little interest for me.

So, if someone were sick of the cold in the northern tier of the United States, and wanted to hire a car and go to Gairdner, would it make more sense to fly into Melbourne, or Adelaide?

Or would rental restrictions be so severe that if one's final destination were known, one would be laughed out of the kiosk?

Again, speculating, but for little more than the cost of a room at Speedweek for 7 days equaling round trip air fare, I think this weather might be turning me into a flight risk.

Probably cheapest to fly into Melbourne. However car hire is much of a much and Adelaide eliminates 900miles of round trip...

You know you'd be welcome everywhere you went, we can fit you in the Casa del Canvas, vertically, or horizontally.

You could claim it as research on your tax return, you can investigate sound hire opportunities.

Actually on second thoughts you don't need to hire a car. Simon will be driving in in a campervan which he'll be picking up from the airport., then you can camp with us.....so,

GET A TICKET
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: generatorshovel on February 13, 2015, 02:13:37 AM
Does the Midget invitation have anything to do with you needing a bodyguard Goggs?

Like Jim said,,BUY A TICKET ! the Casa del Canvas has access to the lakeside camp's only HOT SHOWER , just save your esky water after the beer melts the ice (pre chill the next day's hot beers with it 1st)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 13, 2015, 02:22:13 AM
Does the Midget invitation have anything to do with you needing a bodyguard Goggs?

Like Jim said,,BUY A TICKET ! the Casa del Canvas has access to the lakeside camp's only HOT SHOWER , just save your esky water after the beer melts the ice (pre chill the next day's hot beers with it 1st)

What he said.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Koncretekid on February 13, 2015, 07:21:23 AM


So, if someone were sick of the cold in the northern tier of the United States, and wanted to hire a car and go to Gairdner, would it make more sense to fly into Melbourne, or Adelaide?

Or would rental restrictions be so severe that if one's final destination were known, one would be laughed out of the kiosk?



I'd rent a Chevrolet Malibu - - I've heard their rental cars are pretty fast-- 140 mph on slippery roads! You might even be able to set a Production Class record.
Read this article that was posted in a local newspaper a few days ago.
http://www.novanewsnow.com/News/Regional/2015-02-10/article-4038370/Man-charged-after-226-km-h-drive-in-rented-car-on-icy-Nova-Scotia-road/1
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 13, 2015, 03:46:37 PM


So, if someone were sick of the cold in the northern tier of the United States, and wanted to hire a car and go to Gairdner, would it make more sense to fly into Melbourne, or Adelaide?

Or would rental restrictions be so severe that if one's final destination were known, one would be laughed out of the kiosk?



I'd rent a Chevrolet Malibu - - I've heard their rental cars are pretty fast-- 140 mph on slippery roads! You might even be able to set a Production Class record.
Read this article that was posted in a local newspaper a few days ago.
http://www.novanewsnow.com/News/Regional/2015-02-10/article-4038370/Man-charged-after-226-km-h-drive-in-rented-car-on-icy-Nova-Scotia-road/1


Couple of things here. We're in South South Canada, actually no, we're in Australia which is a bit south of there. Anyhow, I read with interest the mounties claim that the man was travelling at 226km/h as I have a Malibu as my work car. There are only two possible ways this could go. Either, there is a decimal point missing somewhere or the Malibu they are talking about is a whole different animal. The 2.4l fwd 4 cylinder automatic that I drive feels "sprightly" up to 125km/h but 226km/h I think not.

Carry on.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on February 13, 2015, 07:26:22 PM
As a bit more of an off-track comment, last September at the Shootout there was an FIA guy driving a rental Camaro.  I don't know Camaro models well enough to tell you the style of car he was driving - other than he had got it from a rental agency when he landed somewhere out west.  Just for the heck of it -- 'cause there was some time available before the next run -- he ran it through the traps.  Twice.  As I remember he got a pair of timing slips at about 155 mph.  Stock, hey?  And without a tweak to a speed limiter or whatever might be in the car.

Or at least, so he stated. :roll:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 13, 2015, 10:04:42 PM
As a bit more of an off-track comment, last September at the Shootout there was an FIA guy driving a rental Camaro.  I don't know Camaro models well enough to tell you the style of car he was driving - other than he had got it from a rental agency when he landed somewhere out west.  Just for the heck of it -- 'cause there was some time available before the next run -- he ran it through the traps.  Twice.  As I remember he got a pair of timing slips at about 155 mph.  Stock, hey?  And without a tweak to a speed limiter or whatever might be in the car.

Or at least, so he stated. :roll:

This is from the Car Connection website.

At the top of the performance ladder is the ZL1 coupe and convertible. With their supercharged, 580-hp version of the 6.2-liter (with either transmission) and the magnetic shocks found in the Corvette and some Cadillacs, it not only provides near-supercar numbers (0-60 mph in 3.9 seconds, a top speed of 184 mph); it's also affordable, considering that, at about $60k.

Even more affordable is the new-for-2014 Camaro Z/28. With a focus on track capability, the Z/28 takes after the original 1960s models, and not the later '70s and '80s ones carrying that nomenclature. In it, a 7.0-liter V-8 makes 500 horsepower and 470 lb-ft. There's no standard A/C, and all Z/28s have a six-speed manual gearbox, but the design saves 100 pounds overall in weight. Spool-valve dampers, stiffer spring rates, and special Pirelli P Zero Trofeo R tires all add to the track chops.

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: tauruck on February 14, 2015, 08:37:57 PM


So, if someone were sick of the cold in the northern tier of the United States, and wanted to hire a car and go to Gairdner, would it make more sense to fly into Melbourne, or Adelaide?

Or would rental restrictions be so severe that if one's final destination were known, one would be laughed out of the kiosk?



There's a 38 Chev Coupe on here somewhere that runs faster than that!. :evil:

Maybe the Malibu was a "sleeper"?. Canadian's have a sense of humour too. :-D
Peter Jack can testify.

I'd rent a Chevrolet Malibu - - I've heard their rental cars are pretty fast-- 140 mph on slippery roads! You might even be able to set a Production Class record.
Read this article that was posted in a local newspaper a few days ago.
http://www.novanewsnow.com/News/Regional/2015-02-10/article-4038370/Man-charged-after-226-km-h-drive-in-rented-car-on-icy-Nova-Scotia-road/1


Couple of things here. We're in South South Canada, actually no, we're in Australia which is a bit south of there. Anyhow, I read with interest the mounties claim that the man was travelling at 226km/h as I have a Malibu as my work car. There are only two possible ways this could go. Either, there is a decimal point missing somewhere or the Malibu they are talking about is a whole different animal. The 2.4l fwd 4 cylinder automatic that I drive feels "sprightly" up to 125km/h but 226km/h I think not.

Carry on.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on February 15, 2015, 04:17:45 PM
We have to speed when we're overseas

Quote
A 28-year-old man from Sydney driving a Chevrolet Malibu – a rental vehicle – was stopped and charged with stunting. His rental vehicle was then towed and impounded for seven days.The man’s licence was automatically suspended for seven days and, if convicted, he faces a fine of $2,418.95.

If we did that here, he would have been arrested and held until a court date could be found. His car would have been impounded for a minimum of 30 days and he would have had his license cancelled on the spot for minimum 12 months, which is what you get for 30 over the speed limit here.
They start enforcement at 3 kmph over the speed limit.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/law-order/veteran-police-officer-phil-wild-will-not-face-inquiry-despite-publicly-raising-concerns-over-victoria-police-speed-crackdown/story-fni0fee2-1226849669421?nk=7783c10b4e836e87f48cd52a0343bb38

G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 15, 2015, 05:10:20 PM
We have to speed when we're overseas

Quote
A 28-year-old man from Sydney driving a Chevrolet Malibu – a rental vehicle – was stopped and charged with stunting. His rental vehicle was then towed and impounded for seven days.The man’s licence was automatically suspended for seven days and, if convicted, he faces a fine of $2,418.95.

If we did that here, he would have been arrested and held until a court date could be found. His car would have been impounded for a minimum of 30 days and he would have had his license cancelled on the spot for minimum 12 months, which is what you get for 30 over the speed limit here.
They start enforcement at 3 kmph over the speed limit.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/law-order/veteran-police-officer-phil-wild-will-not-face-inquiry-despite-publicly-raising-concerns-over-victoria-police-speed-crackdown/story-fni0fee2-1226849669421?nk=7783c10b4e836e87f48cd52a0343bb38

G

Soon they're going to start investigating people for jeopardising state revenue by travelling under the speed limit.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on February 16, 2015, 04:59:19 AM
Apparently, in this state of regulation, we have to travel in a uniform manner at precisely the speed limit
Or else
G
 :dhorse: :dhorse: :dhorse: :dhorse: :dhorse:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: tauruck on February 16, 2015, 08:33:01 PM
 :-D
You have rules?.

 :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on February 23, 2015, 11:11:18 AM

GET A TICKET

I'm looking at the itinerary - just can't swing it this year.

I'd have to fly back on Wednesday, and I just can't justify 48 hours of flight with 72 hours on the ground in a rental car with jetlag.

I think Oz deserves more than a cursory inspection.

And given the current cold snap, trust me when I say it isn't for lack of wanting to.

Raincheck?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 23, 2015, 03:19:08 PM

GET A TICKET

I'm looking at the itinerary - just can't swing it this year.

I'd have to fly back on Wednesday, and I just can't justify 48 hours of flight with 72 hours on the ground in a rental car with jetlag.

I think Oz deserves more than a cursory inspection.

And given the current cold snap, trust me when I say it isn't for lack of wanting to.

Raincheck?

Absolutely and better still with Ms Midget as well. Anyway, you've got some running-in work to do I believe :wink:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Freud on March 04, 2015, 04:13:38 PM
Never mention Ms. Midget in the same sentence with the word cold.

FREUD
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: generatorshovel on March 14, 2015, 09:23:55 PM
I just had a thought Doc G , are you & Grumm calling in to see your "mate" at the fruit fly checkpoint this year ? He won't know the van.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on March 15, 2015, 03:51:54 AM
Mmmm
Fruit
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on March 15, 2015, 12:58:29 PM
Any report on the salt this year?  They must be doing course prep this week at Gairdner, if it hasn't already started.

Safe travels!
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 15, 2015, 03:53:10 PM
I just had a thought Doc G , are you & Grumm calling in to see your "mate" at the fruit fly checkpoint this year ? He won't know the van.

I was thinking about him just the other day, fine fellow.......
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: generatorshovel on March 15, 2015, 04:35:00 PM
Any report on the salt this year?  They must be doing course prep this week at Gairdner, if it hasn't already started.

Safe travels!
An advance party went out today (last thursday) to do a lake inspection.
Quote from Cookey "Best I've seen it since I started coming out here."

The lake is dry and in their estimation will only require one pass of the drag to be ready.
To the south they went down past the start line and the salt was still good and travelled the full length of the track to the north for 15 km all good, even the creek between the 2 and 3 mile was very good.

The only bit of bad news was that the west side of the lake was damp and we may not be able to use the new track layout. This will be determined by the advance party with the surveyor on the Wednesday before Speed Week so we will just have to wait and see. The problem is more at the end of the new track 2 where entrants would be turning out, it's a bit damp just there.

The ramp onto the lake is very good, and has healed well but you can see some marks from last year, so they reckon we will be heading out just south of that.

The other good news is that the Road from Iron Knob to the Mt. Ive road has been recently graded and is in good condition and the Mt. Ive Road has been recently graded as well. Now the really good news, the road to the drivers camp has been graded and is better than it has ever been and the road from the camp to the lake has been graded as well!!
More info here
http://www.dlra.org.au/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=2612&p=25494#p25494
 :-D :-D :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on March 15, 2015, 05:06:10 PM
Pics are gorgeous.  The tire picture says it all - the surface must be hard as a rock.

Be safe, have fun, and bring back stories!   :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Frankie7799 on March 15, 2015, 06:24:54 PM
Wow, talk about some sweet conditions down there.  8-)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on March 22, 2015, 03:38:49 AM
Have had news they have arrived and all good. There is even wifi on the salt so we should be getting info out quickly.

rH+
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: fredvance on March 22, 2015, 10:35:11 AM
When did they start racing, yesterday?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: maj on March 22, 2015, 02:12:54 PM
about 5 hrs till racing starts Fred , potential of a windy day , but improving Tuesday
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: fredvance on March 22, 2015, 02:36:11 PM
Good Lusk, Greg. I am anxious to hear how the modified Catalyst Fairing works. :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on March 23, 2015, 04:17:09 AM
Hi from Lake G
Have to thank Yes Optus for the free Wifi
Racing got off to a slow start to today
There has been some fast runs today which were aided by a bit of a tail wind
No serious incidents and the salt is the best it's been for some time.
Anyhow its drinking time
Cheers
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: tauruck on March 23, 2015, 04:41:46 AM
Have a good one Grumm. :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on March 23, 2015, 06:59:13 AM
Hi from Lake G
Have to thank Yes Optus for the free Wifi
Racing got off to a slow start to today
There has been some fast runs today which were aided by a bit of a tail wind
No serious incidents and the salt is the best it's been for some time.
Anyhow its drinking time
Cheers
G

 :-o

The first digital dispatch from Gairdner, from Oz's most economical wordsmith.

 :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on March 23, 2015, 09:22:02 AM
but he cares about US!!!!!!!   :lol:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on March 23, 2015, 10:35:45 PM
but he cares about US!!!!!!!   :lol:

Yup
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on March 23, 2015, 11:34:52 PM
 :cheers: G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on March 23, 2015, 11:44:28 PM
:cheers: G

 :cheers:

Wish I was there . . .
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on April 13, 2015, 01:07:26 PM
http://photos.timchuma.com/gallery3/index.php/Grand-Ole-Twang-9/GrandeOleTwang9_026

Guitar slingin' tank driver in the wings . . . T-Bones rocked well . . . good show!
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: manta22 on April 13, 2015, 05:09:39 PM
Wait a minute-- doesn't Duane Eddy have the copyright on "twang"?   :-D

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on April 13, 2015, 05:24:09 PM
Wait a minute-- doesn't Duane Eddy have the copyright on "twang"?   :-D

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ

. . . ne'er the twang shall meet . . .
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: manta22 on April 13, 2015, 05:36:57 PM
Touche!

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on April 13, 2015, 06:41:26 PM
It was a really good live show, featuring Justin Townes Earle - Steve Earle's kid.  Doc's band, the T-Bones, finished it out, after Jimmy got caught a bit flatfooted on his Australian LSR record, and a grandly coincidental shout-out across the pond.  :wink:

Triple R out of Melbourne is a station James turned me on to a few years back, and I stream it from time to time.

Don't know if they'll offer up a podcast in the archives, but the show was "Twang", and it aired on April 11th.

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on May 01, 2015, 07:21:41 PM
Flatfooted?, sheesh, unscripted I thought I pulled that together pretty well.

Speaking of unscripted, we're starting a new chapter....
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: tauruck on May 01, 2015, 08:04:38 PM
Go you good thing.

All the best. :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on May 02, 2015, 06:26:01 PM
Hey, where's the koala?

The Koala is at Dadswells Bridge on the Western Highway just under three hours from Melbourne on one of the routes we have taken to the salt. The Colonel started sending me pictures of it each time he went past , on unrelated business, there aren't many things the Colonel regrets in life but that is definitely one of them.

I have had to go to Horsham (a little further again along the Western Highway) for the last six weeks in a row, and I haven't finished there yet. The Colonel's responses have withered from "Stupid bear"...."shit bear".....to nothing, I'm wearing him down....

For the record they re-worked the koala at some point, as wikipaedia says " this page has some issues" meaning we are waiting for a nerd to pipe up and tell us when and what they did but suffice to say it looks more like a koala now and less "freaked out" than it used to........
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on May 04, 2015, 06:00:55 PM
Flatfooted?, sheesh, unscripted I thought I pulled that together pretty well.

Speaking of unscripted, we're starting a new chapter....


Ahh . . . you cut down the fig tree, cleaned up the yard and covered the bricks on the house with barn boards.  I'll assume you're working on a still.

We're going to make a redneck out of you, yet.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on May 05, 2015, 12:14:44 AM
Hey, where's the koala?



found him...

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-05-05/koala-walks-into-hospital-in-western-victoria/6446050


Make a redneck outa me?......

pfffft
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on May 05, 2015, 07:07:53 AM
wearing me down....
Pfffff
not with the big Koala (turd)
well, in other news..
I planned to put a rear seat in my VW van last weekend and then discovered that the water pump had shit itself
and it needs new rear disc brakes, and other stuff.
so I had to go to a DLRA committee meeting which is in country Victoria.
the only other running vehicle I own with working heater has 3.55:1 diff gears an a 327 with a four barrel rochester carb
so I put on some noise cancelling headphones and filled the tank. about $150 AUD and I was on my way
we had a good meeting and I scored a motor and trans for my old shitbox ute (pickup)
So I posted on facebook that I drove to Castlemaine using noise canceling headphones and $50 of petrol
Carol noted that some of Rods cars cost more than $50 to start ....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AMJJjeqX1o
G

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on May 06, 2015, 12:48:03 AM

So is the koala an RN, a PA, an intern or just a resident?    Seems like I shoulda gone to medical school in OZ . . . . . . .   :roll:

 :cheers:
F/B

Like the good Dr... I'm sure he was there self medicating
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on May 06, 2015, 12:53:10 AM
Like the good Dr... I'm sure he was there self medicating

I was thinking the same thing - looking for some Eucalyptus or Oxycodone . . .
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Freud on July 02, 2015, 12:55:40 AM
He can purchase Medical Mary Ann in Washington State.

He can self medicate all he wants at home or in public.

No harm. No arrest. No fines.

No challenge?

FREUD
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on July 02, 2015, 02:54:46 AM
He can purchase Medical Mary Ann in Washington State.

He can self medicate all he wants at home or in public.

No harm. No arrest. No fines.

No challenge?

FREUD


Mary's changed her second name?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on July 02, 2015, 08:17:08 AM
No, Goggs -- Freud's so old that he knew her way back when -- before she changed her name. :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: wobblywalrus on July 02, 2015, 12:01:14 PM
Heck, pretty soon it will be legal in Oregon, too.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: 4-barrel Mike on July 02, 2015, 01:08:02 PM
Ah, Bo, it became legal yesterday.   :mrgreen: 

And the voters' initiative was heavily updated, pushed forward, criminal penalties downgraded by very liberal house & senate and signed by the un-elected  governor who accepted marijuana industry money for her successful campaign for attorney general.   :-(

Mike
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on July 02, 2015, 04:57:57 PM
Ah, Bo, it became legal yesterday.   :mrgreen: 

And the voters' initiative was heavily updated, pushed forward, criminal penalties downgraded by very liberal house & senate and signed by the un-elected  governor who accepted marijuana industry money for her successful campaign for attorney general.   :-(

Mike

That's a good sign Mike, that means the heads are smoking less and paying more attention to what people do in conventional business.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on July 02, 2015, 06:07:56 PM
Don't be silly. Just because they stop doing one thing doesn't mean they'll start doing something else.  :roll: Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on July 03, 2015, 10:54:41 PM
Heck, pretty soon it will be legal in Oregon, too.

But curse words are still illegal, or is that just in Utah
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: wobblywalrus on July 04, 2015, 12:55:45 AM
Its odd.  The last pot I smelled was about seven or eight years ago.  It was my kids in the upstairs of the house.  I thought it was the neighbor and never figured it was them until they told me.  Its legal but folks are not lighting up all over the place.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on July 06, 2015, 05:05:19 AM
Its odd.  The last pot I smelled was about seven or eight years ago.  It was my kids in the upstairs of the house.  I thought it was the neighbor and never figured it was them until they told me.  Its legal but folks are not lighting up all over the place.

WHAT?

haven't they seen this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Azf320JDdqU
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on July 06, 2015, 10:10:37 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoUr9ET52zg  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on July 06, 2015, 01:04:57 PM

WHAT?

haven't they seen this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Azf320JDdqU

A classic.

Gangsters in suits, sultry temptresses putting on nylon stockings (and let me tell you, boys, Thelma White had great gams!), the use of the words "kid", "gee" and "swell", a pedestrian getting creamed in a crosswalk accident, self defenestration, the age-old argument of freedom and enterprise vs. societal outcomes and norms.

Why this movie never received a single Academy Award nomination is simply beyond me. 

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on August 09, 2015, 08:25:17 PM
Yesterday we lost my mum, it was in the end a relief, her body fought on after her mind had gone.

These are two things I wrote, a small obit and something I wrote not long ago about dementia.

It was likely a brief moment of lucidity we figured, she tried not to breathe. The hospital had called and said she'd taken a turn for the worse, she'd stopped breathing for two minutes. It wasn't the first time they'd called.
Dementia is a slow ebb, it leaches out the soul and the spirit and leaves the carriage, aimless, rudderless. It turns the grieving process into a chromatograph, stretched over years. When my father died and I was asked if I wanted to view his body I declined, the part I knew, the part I'd had a relationship with was gone. And so it is with my mum, it's her sinewy body that swam until not long ago, her bandy legs, her crooked but steady hands, but not her wise unshakable untiring good, not her clever understated humor, not her patient and loving motherness.
After what could be hundreds of little bleeds, strokes, TIA's they call them my mothers brain is riddled with holes, shot away. But unlike Bonnie and Clyde's car unbelievably, inexplicably, impossibly, it still contains life.
We can only guess, but we're pretty sure that if she had her wits, she'd be gone, but the incredible strength that we always suspected she had won't let go, it won't let her go. In our own ways we each assure her that "everything is taken care of, we've got it all sorted out" in the hope that her urge to watch over and protect us will be satisfied and she will die.
It's the hardest thing to say, we want her to die.



At about 4am this morning Fairlie Marie Stewart nèe Stubbs died in Tatura. Born in Shepparton in 1927 she married James Burt Stewart who she met at Shepparton High School, in 1950. Mother to Catherine Fairlie, John Galloway, Mary Primrose, Ruth Alison and James Lachlan she was the youngest of three after John and Myrrdin. She was Gran to Nirri Tomas William Hamish Duncan Alice José Grace Bede Ignatius Lachie and Cecilia.
She could run and swim or beat you at tennis and scrabble, she was selfless, funny and clever, conservative but fearless. A country girl, a nurse, a mother and friend to many more.
We all loved her very dearly.

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on August 09, 2015, 08:35:17 PM
Oh, James.  May she rest in peace.  And may you and he rest of your family remember her with love forever.  Nancy and I send our best wishes and happy thoughts to you to help you move to a life without your mum.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Speed Limit 1000 on August 10, 2015, 12:08:21 AM
James, You will always remember her for the person she was. It can be hard at the end. Stay strong, and take care.

John
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Kiwi Paul on August 10, 2015, 12:22:18 AM
James....seems it is the year to say farewell to those who gave us life.....

I have prayers for you and your family, and as I look back at the passages you wrote, I know that Love and respect made joy for you all that she was in your lives for so long....

Now it`s your job to pass all those good things down the family tree......
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on August 10, 2015, 01:06:55 AM
GodSpeed Fairlie Marie... sounds like she had a good run James... It is always tough to lose the ones your love
I can assure you that you will remember the middle more than the end...
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: twodear on August 10, 2015, 03:50:29 AM
Those were wonderful words, thank you for sharing. Sincere condolences for your loss.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: fordboy628 on August 10, 2015, 04:29:39 AM
Sincere condolences for your loss James.    May your mum rest in peace.

Ageing is harsh, harsher still when dementia is part of the process.    Your words capture the emotions that many others are forced to share, the same experience at the ending of the life of a vital, caring human being.

May you find the strength to celebrate her life, and to heal yourself . . . . . . .
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: tauruck on August 10, 2015, 09:07:56 AM
My condolences James.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on August 10, 2015, 09:54:02 AM
Dr. G

How proud your mom must be of your way with words-- to be able to convey, thoughts that make us reflect on our moms and our journey to the end with them ---that misted our eyes ---as I am sure yours must have in writing about yours.

Well done son James,

continue to recall and cherish those memories
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Finallygotit on August 10, 2015, 10:30:28 AM
Well crafted words......

My condolences.

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on August 10, 2015, 10:38:59 AM
Now , be nice everyone because although she's 80 she's an SMSaholic and she watches this site as well ( Hi Mum)...there was one revealing moment when we were watching some footage that my cousin shot on the Rev's big vid cam...he was in my mum's car and after I'd pulled over because of the fume-out I could hear her on the tape saying " ...and he doesn't need that with his lungs..." god love her  :wink: She's always expressed disappointment that I dropped out of university to play rock and roll but this bellytank thing has been a Phd in life and I think she "gets it".

Doc Goggle's Mum.
(http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e216/PJQ/ProudMum.jpg)
She's real proud of the tank and was rambling about what it'll do at the salt, eyeing-off the large bag of Mexican Chilly corn chips I was holding.

Devouring them like a school kid who's not allowed to have sweets - the coughing started - face red as a new Chev block, the orange foam ear plugs popped out like Champers corks, and she was leaning forward - arms waving in the air - fists clenching handfuls of CC's. Thank Christ Goggle's sister and the other girls were there to administer resuscitation. I was glared at - tried and found guilty - slinking away, leaving the evidence on the picnic table.

Later, sitting with Club Animal in his jocks (whisky-cola mixer in hand), we watched the tank bounce along the runway. Animal let fly a commentary on each run that would make a Digger blush. She'd nod or frown in response, taking it in her stride.

"That sheila's tough as a girder-bender" my old Pops would've said in compliment.
Sorry about feeding Chilly Chips to your Mum.

To Fairlie -  :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: manta22 on August 10, 2015, 10:57:28 AM
I'm sorry to hear that, James. My condolences.

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ  (Nashville right now)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Sumner on August 10, 2015, 11:29:16 AM
Thinking of you James and oh what a great mom you had,

Sumner
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Harold Bettes on August 10, 2015, 02:33:00 PM
James,

Although we have never met, please accept my sincere condolences.

The loss of your Mom must not offset the wonderful memories you can recall at will. Those memories will comfort you through the years just as she did as you were growing up and showed you love an kindness so you could become what you are today.

I truly know that Demetia and Alzheimer's are banes to our fond recollections of our loved ones. They become something that they have never been. Don't let that overcome your honor of your Mom as time passes. Eventually you will even be able to help others going through the same struggles with their loved ones by sharing your experiences and thus easing their painful journey.

The best to you and yours in your time of mourning and beyond. Just carry on mate, carry on.

Regards,
HB2 :-)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: desotoman on August 10, 2015, 05:24:24 PM
James (Dr.G.),

Sorry to hear of your loss. Thank God our memories last forever.

Tom G.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: bones on August 11, 2015, 01:33:58 AM


    Doc,   
          so sorry to hear about your mum.

          Bones
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: stay`tee on August 11, 2015, 07:20:32 AM
My condolences to you and your family James,,,
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Rex Schimmer on August 19, 2015, 06:54:18 PM
James,
You and your family are in our thoughts. We never forget our mothers, especially the good ones which your's so obviously was.

Rex
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: salt27 on August 30, 2015, 11:13:17 PM
James, Sandra made a seafood boil for your birthday.   :cheers:
We waited for you (less than 2 seconds) gave up and ate.   :evil:
Notice the empty chair.   :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Buickguy3 on November 12, 2015, 10:38:54 AM
     I have a question for my friends down under. I was just browzing an old issue of Hot Rod Magazine [Aug. 1962] and there is a small article about Salt racing in South Australia. They are running on Lake Eyre so I had to look it up on a map and it appears to be a separate lake bed from Lake Gairdner. Are there two different flat areas and is one more accesable than the other? Are both available or is one a "Holy" land or something. Just curious.
     Doug  :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: tauruck on November 12, 2015, 11:03:38 AM
Give them a break Doug!!!!.
They lost the Rugby World cup to the Kiwis. :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Malcolm UK on November 12, 2015, 11:46:57 AM
Doug

Before the Aussies wake up to the question #4872. 

It was the British who went to break records on Lake Eyre (Donald Campbell with CN7) and we set in motion the flooding of this arid area from '62 onwards.

Not sure how often this salt flat dries out in the modern era, but the Aussies have decided upon Lake Gairdner - a totally separate salt flat - to run fast.

Both sites are on indigenous lands and it is recorded that Donald met tribal representatives to try to get good salt in '63/'64 - see his film 'How Long a Mile'. The first 400+ mph record for weheeldriven cars was of course achieved on Lake Eyre.

[Perhaps the StS or Utah Alliance should be seeking help for Bonneville from any indigenous people in the State of Nevada?  Ooops - wrong thread!]
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Buickguy3 on November 12, 2015, 12:38:22 PM
  Let's see, Rugby, is that like touch football?  :roll:
     Doug  :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on November 12, 2015, 01:03:54 PM
Naw, Rugby is a little town in North Dakota, famous for being the geographical center of North America.  You oughta have knowed that. :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Buickguy3 on November 12, 2015, 01:51:54 PM
   I did remember that, I used to travel there as a rep for Buick.
     Doug  :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on November 12, 2015, 04:27:20 PM
Thugby???

Yep ' they used to run on Lake Eyre
It is much harder to get to than Gairdiner
you go to the middle of no where, then drive for another day
my Dad attempted to take us there twice when we were kids but I am yet to get there
the road isn't a road, you might call it a track. It wouldn't support 100 vehicles.
And it can be closed from November to March due to summer Temperatures
And the crust is not real thick 
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-04-10/lake-eyre-plane-crash-rescue-fails/6380664

At least Lake Gairdiner has 3 toilets and two showers

G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 04, 2016, 05:39:45 PM
Well, its a new year and with a new revolution comes a few resolutions.

It's been a pretty hectic last few years for me and that has been without any racing. Not having an auto related business means occasionally between earning a living, playing music, writing and living a semblance of a normal life something has to give. We bought a 100 year old house about an hour out of Melbourne and we're frantically trying to belt it into shape, reblocked, reroofed, refloored, rewired, replumbed...its been madness.

However last week I tore the bandage off and without first consulting Grumm started a conversation with a few people about building our new motor. My part of this gig will be stretching the car about six years inches right behind the firewall. We're going to build a SBC just under the 260ci limit and according to our results and spreadsheet input we need somewhere north of 450hp@ 7500rpm .

There.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on January 04, 2016, 06:44:52 PM
Why not a V-6 with a decent bore?   

 "Speaking of Boredom"

 Dr. G, are you expecting this quasi excuse--- about all of these life experiences to cover for your unexcused absences?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 04, 2016, 11:28:08 PM
Hey Bill, I love you too.

The short answer is that we might be able to make 450+hp with a V6 NA pump fuel. We would need pretty much a motor full of bespoke parts. The critical issue are the closed chamber heads and the valve size.... If we broke it we'd be back to square one.

There are SBC heads that flow that much off the shelf. There are pistons we can use, already made....we need a crank. Bottom line is 450+hp 250-258ci Small block chevys are not unheard of. Whereas a series 1 V6 of that kind of calibre aren't on every corner. 

Fordboy did some sums on what we have currently and it won't turn fast enough for long enough......ultimately our money is better spent on an 8.





Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: tauruck on January 05, 2016, 12:10:33 AM
Whatever you do I wish you guys all the best both residentially and race wise. :cheers:

I've missed you posting etc but now we know why.
Good to hear from you James and have a great 2016.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: wobblywalrus on January 05, 2016, 12:26:33 AM
Hot Rod magazine evaluates things occasionally at the Duttweiler facilities.  They build up V-8 test mule motors for these evaluations and the engine specs are in the articles.  These mule motor combinations of blocks, heads, cranks, etc look pretty good.  Building a motor based on their test mule engine might be a good starting point.  I saved an article just for this purpose.  I will try to find it in my rat nest office.  It is around here somewhere.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on January 05, 2016, 12:56:06 AM
I was thinking of the SBC based V-6 that there are lots of off the shelf stuff that is pretty Kick Acura
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 05, 2016, 02:47:35 AM
Thanks Mike, Bo.

You're right Bill, but they still ain't as dirt common as the eights, and none of that stuff is here whereas we can get the block and heads fror all the late model V8's here easily....a V6 would be my pick if there was no difference because then I could focus all my energy on harassing Grumm to build it and barely have to lift a finger myself...... :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on January 05, 2016, 04:09:20 AM
...a V6 would be my pick if there was no difference because then I could focus all my energy on harassing Grumm to build it and barely have to lift a finger myself...... :cheers:

Sure

Been a bit busy myself
Somehow got involved with the committee DLRA speedweek.
I tell you! what I don't know about toilets.....

G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 05, 2016, 05:42:06 AM
As far as exactly how much power we need I can't put my grubbys on it right now but (now the Colonel will point out that the car was breaking down on the second run) our top speed was 215.041mph at 6400rpm with a 2.41 where the dyno told us we had 320+hp at the crank.

We also ran 1./205 with a 2.56:1@ 6400
                 2./205 with a 2.14:1@ 5300 where we know we had 270+hp at the crank.

Off the top of my head Sumner's spreadsheet told us we needed over 420hp to run 240mph.

The car can be cleaned up a little aero wise and we were rev limited by some mystery problem so the figure of 420 may be higher than reality, but enough power is never enough and I'm fairly certain it'll be able to put 450+hp down without too much trouble even without suspension.

Fire away Fordboy. :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: awelker on January 05, 2016, 09:24:31 AM
My part of this gig will be stretching the car about six years inches right behind the firewall.

I enjoy the enthusiastic simplification of adding 6" to your bellytank.  The thought of doing that to mine makes me a little sick.

Hope it all goes well.

Andy
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on January 05, 2016, 11:31:55 AM
 8-)   a  347 V-8
     is a  304 V-7
     is a  260 V-6   
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 05, 2016, 02:25:23 PM
My part of this gig will be stretching the car about six years inches right behind the firewall.

I enjoy the enthusiastic simplification of adding 6" to your bellytank.  The thought of doing that to mine makes me a little sick.

Hope it all goes well.

Andy

Hey Andy, doing it to your tank would be a little more , er challenging  I think,

On our car the firewall is round about the transition point and thus we figure adding an extension.piece there will have the least effect on the aero efficiency of our shape. The other point is our car like every other Lakester is crammed full , the one part of the car that has a little daylight is between the front of he motor and the firewall, brake line, clutch line, throttle cable, wiring loom...they can all be easily extended AND have quick connect fittings so the car can be separated there. That will make working on it a lot easier...to change the diff ratio we have to hoist the motor at the moment.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Speed Limit 1000 on January 05, 2016, 02:47:10 PM
Maybe 10 inches, a little room is not a bad thing. We had to make the Bockscar 12 inches longer so Stainless could drive.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on January 05, 2016, 03:22:25 PM
Grumm said:
I tell you! what I don't know about toilets.....

G
[/quote]

Hmmm.  Maybe I :-D can guess what volunteer job you've been allowed to choose?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Rex Schimmer on January 05, 2016, 03:31:33 PM
Sparky's logic is pretty good, as you are planning to lengthen the car and install a V8 why not make the V8 into a V6 with two "dead" holes. Keith Dorton at Automotive Specialties has done this to make a smaller displacement and has had good success. The big plus is that by adding a cylinder (V-7?) you would be in D class and going to a full V-8 would put you in C class. Plus you would not have to buy a $1000 2 -9/16 stroke billet crank.

Rex
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on January 05, 2016, 04:00:02 PM


Bazinga!!
Fordboy

People actually say that?

Grumm said:
I tell you! what I don't know about toilets.....


Hmmm.  Maybe I :-D can guess what volunteer job you've been allowed to choose?

Slim, every meeting it's toilets this, and toilets that.
I think we now have ten toilets on the lake and about six of them look like the've been there fro 25 years plus
yep, it's a volunteer job, but not my job

Plus you would not have to buy a $1000 2 -9/16 stroke billet crank.

Rex

I would like to know where I would get one that cheap

Maybe 10 inches, a little room is not a bad thing. We had to make the Bockscar 12 inches longer so Stainless could drive.

I would love to, but we just bought a trailer, and it would no longer fit on it

G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on January 05, 2016, 04:51:38 PM
You couldn't build a porch on the trailer?  :? Not even a 4" one?  :roll:  :cheers: Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on January 05, 2016, 05:33:04 PM
stretch the tongue   it is much easier to do  :-D

on the v-7 and v-6  just pull the push rods and make air springs out of the dead holes  should have way less than 1% parasitic loss 

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: wobblywalrus on January 05, 2016, 09:27:20 PM
A test mule motor is a real hard engine to build.  It needs to provide consistent performance throughout the test session.  Otherwise, the motor degradation fouls up the test results.  It is hard to differentiate between motor problems and tested component issues.  The Duttweiler shop knows the Chevy engines well.  Logic says their mule motor might be a good build.  This one survived just under 200 dyne pulls without performance degradation.  A link to the article www.hotrod.com/how-to/engine/hrdp-0162-engine-coatings/ (http://www.hotrod.com/how-to/engine/hrdp-0162-engine-coatings/)  It is bigger than 300 ci.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: wobblywalrus on January 05, 2016, 09:30:51 PM
Oh carp.  I got a number backwards.www.hotrod.com/how-to/engine/hrdp-0612-engine-coatings/ (http://www.hotrod.com/how-to/engine/hrdp-0612-engine-coatings/)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 06, 2016, 12:28:33 AM
Hmmmm, Duttweiler........

Stand by men, there may be an announcement shortly  :wink:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 06, 2016, 12:43:32 AM
Plus you would not have to buy a $1000 2 -9/16 stroke billet crank.

Rex

I knew it!

Rex, you're living in the sixties. :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on January 06, 2016, 02:17:17 AM
Hmmmm, Duttweiler........

Stand by men, there may be an announcement shortly  :wink:

 :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 06, 2016, 02:20:47 AM
To be honest you, the Reverend and I need to find breweries with handles on the side of them, not just steins....

Be patient grasshoppers.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on January 06, 2016, 03:14:09 AM
Tap in the mouth
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 06, 2016, 04:08:21 AM
mmmmmmm
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on January 06, 2016, 04:50:15 AM
 :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 06, 2016, 04:28:21 PM
With a curve like that theoretically  at 8nfinite rpm it could make infinite hp..... :roll:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Rex Schimmer on January 06, 2016, 05:55:56 PM
Plus you would not have to buy a $1000 2 -9/16 stroke billet crank.

Rex

I knew it!

Rex, you're living in the sixties. :cheers:

And there is a problem with that??? Hell I was in my 20s then and everything worked!

Rex
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: tauruck on January 06, 2016, 06:07:25 PM
Most of it still does. :-D :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on January 07, 2016, 04:51:52 AM


Yes.    In theory only.    Even pneumatic valve springs have their limitations . . . . . .

 :cheers:
Fordboy

Desmo
It's what I do

G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: wobblywalrus on January 07, 2016, 09:00:46 PM
Use a blimp for a body instead of a tank.  There will not be all of these pesky issues with packaging. 
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 07, 2016, 10:34:35 PM
Use a blimp for a body instead of a tank.  There will not be all of these pesky issues with packaging. 

Way safer too, no chance of anything like that getting to any sort of dangerous speed.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: salt27 on January 07, 2016, 10:39:56 PM
Use a blimp for a body instead of a tank.  There will not be all of these pesky issues with packaging. 

And all the fun to be had with the helium.    :lol:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on January 07, 2016, 11:13:10 PM
Not to mention the distressing side effects of heliosis.  :-P    :cheers: Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on January 08, 2016, 08:02:39 AM
Don, get with the program.  Helium would be so "last century" for a belly tank.  Use hydrogen - and fuel cells using said H2 to propel it.  It's fun -- and it's fun to watch Lee Kennedy chasing the vehicle down the salt. :roll:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: salt27 on January 08, 2016, 08:32:59 PM
Jon,
    They could call it the Heildelberg because the Hindenburg has already been used and it's also the name of a beer (although not a good one but I don't think James would care just as long as it's beer)   :evil:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: manta22 on January 08, 2016, 09:32:22 PM
Heidelberg?  Hey- I spent my sophomore year of high school there!  :cheers:

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on January 09, 2016, 10:15:44 PM
Jon,
    They could call it the Heildelberg because the Hindenburg has already been used and it's also the name of a beer (although not a good one but I don't think James would care just as long as it's beer)   :evil:

And it's the suburb next to Preston. Running a close second on car theft stats in Australia

G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 11, 2016, 07:18:43 PM
Don, get with the program.  Helium would be so "last century" for a belly tank.  Use hydrogen - and fuel cells using said H2 to propel it.  It's fun -- and it's fun to watch Lee Kennedy chasing the vehicle down the salt. :roll:

Didn't they make the last hydrogen powered vehicle at Bonneville pit some way away from the main action? That may not necessarily be a good idea for the SOS team as we generally do better with adult supervision :wink:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 11, 2016, 07:24:29 PM
Heidelberg?  Hey- I spent my sophomore year of high school there!  :cheers:

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ

Being an inveterate Spooner-iser, deliberate mis-pronouncer and general fool with language my dad couldn't let Heidelberg go past without saying "Hei-bel-derg"....... I drove down Aberdeen street in Geelong the other day chuckling, he once said
" just as well they called it Aberdeen"
I cocked an eyebrow at him
"'Cause if it ad-er-been anything else it wouldnabeen Aberdeen"
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on January 11, 2016, 08:12:49 PM
Oh, no. It's genetic.  :roll: Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 11, 2016, 08:34:23 PM
Oh, no. It's genetic.  :roll: Wayno

Hey you, all that idle chit-chat about going to Lake Gairdner? Start saving, and bring Gustav, we have salt and vinegar chips and hammocks.....
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Speed Limit 1000 on January 11, 2016, 08:40:35 PM
Oh, no. It's genetic.  :roll: Wayno

Hey you, all that idle chit-chat about going to Lake Gairdner? Start saving, and bring Gustav, we have salt and vinegar chips and hammocks.....

What no beer :?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 11, 2016, 08:46:05 PM
Hey Johnboy,

I was listing extraordinary items pertinent to my backwoods Utah friends.

You're welcome to come, you can leave that bus thing behind though the Gairdner road would kill that.
Title: This, this is big.
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 12, 2016, 04:39:09 AM
OK. This will take some tellin'

When we started building the Spirit of Sunshine we really had no idea what we were in for,  there's 350 or so pages before this one though that amply tell the story of the ups and downs, the naivete and the triumphs. We might have glossed over some of the less than spectacular moments and we may have neglected to mention some of the complete Fiat-ups, not many of them were to do with the car specifically but when something becomes so intertwined with your life it is hard to complete isolate cause and effect. Two guys, that quickly became three started to build a car for a sport that they knew little about, they learned fast, and threw absolutely everything into it.

It took six years from conception to make the salt for the first time after a few years were rained out. The first years results were better than expected. We'd already made a lot of friends, principally by telling our story. To me personally it was an integral part, we weren't doing this to beat other people we were doing it to meet other people, like minded people, to have fun, so there was no point being secretive about it, I told everyone I knew and it quickly became apparent I was telling a whole bunch of people I didn't know too.

Landracing.com and it's forum fell in our laps after we'd been researching and designing for a couple of years, the build of the car was only six or so months old.

We made some very valuable friends on Landracing.com, Jack Dolan rest his soul was very helpful, Sumner, Bill Smith, Stainless and Wayno, Rex were all great counsel.

We raced the car 2009, 2010 and 2013 going 160, 193 and 215mph, in 2014 we ran 205mph and reality sunk in, we'd broken a fair bit of stuff, spent( for us) a lot of money but if we were going to get close to Kelly and Hall's 2003 Bonneville class record in E gas lakester of 236.xxxmph we needed a bigger bullet, although we, I, hadn't broken this motor it wasn't going to magically make another 20 odd mph. We decided to regroup. The car was simple and good and it went faster than lots of other things with more power, it was worth pushing on with.

Dik, the Reverend had moved overseas, I'd managed to mess up the personal side of my life and we were broke. Graham and I went to Gairdner in 2015 as spectators and officials.......and started to think. The V6 could make the 450 or so hp we needed if we put a stratospheric amount of money into it, but it would be bespoke parts and what if we broke something? There were more than a few E class V8's making near 500hp and the parts could be bought but we'd have to stretch the car to fit two more cylinders in. We'd need a few years to build it....and pay for it.

I moved to the country with Cassie my partner, an old house and a big shed and spent the first ten months working to knock the house into shape.....

A few weeks ago I sent a group email, just turning things over, it included Chris Conrad in Milwaukee, Mark Balinski in Cheeseland and Jon Benett in Queensland..... Then I posted our ideas here, we were finally going to get started on a rebuild, stretch and re-motor chasing that record of 236mph.

A few days later I got a message from someone on Landracing I didn't know, Robin Dripps.

Dr. Goggles,
I have followed your build since the beginning and always enjoy the attitude you bring. I noticed this morning that you are considering a new engine. I am familiar with the E engine having set records at Bonneville with a V6 and qualified for records with a v8. I no longer am using my V6 and would be willing to donate this to a great cause.Some explanation: The engine is a GM Bowtie iron racing block.  Better casting, set up for dry sump, etc. The heads are the Bowtie aluminum splayed valve heads set up by HRD to give amazing flow with custom Jesel valve train actually machined in Jesel's shop.  Other specs include Moldex crank, oliver rods, bullet cam.  Stu Hilborn made a special electronic fuel injection system for the engine, probably a one off affair. I can give complete specs if there is any interest.  The engine has one week of Bonneville on a complete rebuild. On a chassis dyno it put out around 480 hp on the rear wheels. I can get dyno sheets. This was a competitive engine in the ESTR class until the near million dollar Mariani roadster arrived. A long set of conversations with Kenny Duttweiler suggested that the best approach was to switch to a v8.  I worked with Kenny for three years to finally get a 256 CID engine to make 650 HP.  This was not inexpensive.
Kenny evaluated my v6 before we made the decision to go with a v8 and the engine is currently in his shop.
Kenny first thought he could sell it to some racers in Dubai but that fell through and I have no time to deal with all the things needed to put the engine on the market. Having followed your thread for years and feeling a certain set of shared interests in the various members (I am an architect, play electric guitar, among other things) I thought this might be a way to have a very interesting engine find a good home.
You would have to pay for crating and shipping and that would be all.
So, if you have any interest let me know and I can give complete specs.  You also can talk with Kenny and get his opinion on the engine, but l probably would need to let him know this is okay.
I know there is much discussion on the forum and you are certainly welcome to bring this up for discussion.
At any rate give this a thought and make of it what you think best,
Robin Dripps ESTR 1986


I was stunned, I pasted it into an email to Gray and sent him an SMS

"READ YOUR EMAIL!, READ YOUR EMAIL!"

I got a reply in his usual understated way,

"That should do it"

I was completely gobsmacked, it made 480hp, it was built for 9000+rpm, it was in the Duttweiler workshop.

For those unfamiliar with Robin's roadster the story is here....

http://www.automobilemag.com/features/columns/0711_vile_gossip_salt_speed_dreams/

In short, we won't regard this as our property, we would hope to send it back in time. The Dripps Gibby team have raised money for various charities and I feel that we may also be obliged by the great scheme of things to turn our hand, whether it be for the homeless sector I have worked in or something else, we'll see.

Right now I am still in a state of shock, we've got some work ahead of us, but it's going to be fun and trust me, you'll hear all about it.

Cheers, and thanks for listening.

(https://scontent.fadl1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/283189_326788067417613_489074034_n.jpg?oh=ff25e10f6cc6fd31360608ba97059e44&oe=5705A630)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: tauruck on January 12, 2016, 06:27:52 AM
Awesome news guys. This made my day and restored my faith in humanity which has been flagging of late. :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

Way to go Robin. That is the gesture of the century. God Bless you. :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on January 12, 2016, 07:50:44 AM
We met Robin and Rob (Dripps and Gibby) years ago at Maxton and have had a blast hanging out with them over many years.  With all due respect:  I am not one bit surprised to hear of Robin's offer.  She's just another Bville racer that wants to help out. :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

Thanks, R & R.  Best wishes, SoS crew.  I still wear my t-shirt regularly -- although I 'spect I'm the only one in Michigan's Upper Peninsula that displays such Aussie garb.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on January 12, 2016, 07:54:05 AM
Whoop-de-dammm-DO   :lol:   :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Speed Limit 1000 on January 12, 2016, 08:35:06 AM
The landspeed racers are a different kind of people. Outstanding news guys, get to work, I know you will do her proud. :cheers:

John
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on January 12, 2016, 09:32:46 AM
wow this is such and interesting turn of events---thank you Robin 

looks like "we" now are going to get to learn some more

guys get some good directional mikes---I can wait to hear this sweet lit'l screamer at full song on the big end
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on January 12, 2016, 12:14:11 PM
That you won't have to lengthen or muck around with the chassis - one that has clearly worked well - is huge.  This takes a big variable out of the equation. 

I'm certain the stretch would have been done well, but then not only would you be dialing in a new engine, you'd have also been backpedaling on chassis set up, and possibly aero.

This let's you capitalize on the proven gains.

It puts you miles ahead. 

Robin, You've genuinely fast-tracked a world class contender.   :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stan Back on January 12, 2016, 12:58:27 PM
I liked Robin from the first time I met her.  I like her even more now.

Stan
(Former Bonneville D/StR record-holder -- 29 MPH ago.)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on January 12, 2016, 03:12:16 PM
they still may have to lengthen ---that may well be the SBC based V-6 not the Buford
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 12, 2016, 03:22:28 PM
Well, we ain't met Robin as of yet but lets be honest, in our book she's starting from a pretty high mark.

Just bought the tyres we needed for the front from Superfast Matt McCoy as the last pair on the front were borrowed from Greg Watters.

The photo below was after the car had run 215.041 in 2013, that look on Gray's face is absolute un-diluted out of control joy, he nearly smiled, meanwhile I was making more noise inside my helmet than the motor made in the car......we hope to be doing this again, next year after going a little faster than that.....
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/Mobile%20Uploads/utf-8BSU1BRzE1MzkuanBn_zps13a9a8dd.jpg) (http://s190.photobucket.com/user/fourdoorshitbox/media/Mobile%20Uploads/utf-8BSU1BRzE1MzkuanBn_zps13a9a8dd.jpg.html)

they still may have to lengthen ---that may well be the SBC based V-6 not the Buford

it's gonna be 15lb in the 5lb bag Bill :wink:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: gkabbt on January 12, 2016, 04:08:53 PM

Here are some pics I got of Robin's car last June in Wilmington:

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/ivR6BCU8RFJWVCc3VTdhK67e5D_tgNyptV41dfDwNVAao_QjHplIlnPidcCZzMUv7ZX_=w440-h330)

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/S4f7dLlBR1FCfhngR03XaO8mCbc9ile8-wh-nb-JFzRybUMJLyKcy1WdDQK9J5exTKpR=w440-h330)

REALLY beautiful car!

Gregg
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 12, 2016, 05:00:20 PM
I'm sure I have some from Bonneville, can't find em but. Good lookin rig, ran hard too.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: stay`tee on January 13, 2016, 04:58:27 AM
"thats good stuff boys"  8-)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on January 13, 2016, 09:15:46 AM
Oh, no. It's genetic.  :roll: Wayno

Hey you, all that idle chit-chat about going to Lake Gairdner? Start saving, and bring Gustav, we have salt and vinegar chips and hammocks.....
I'm working on it. So's Gus. Will you be running next year?  :cheers: Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on January 13, 2016, 10:27:55 AM
Yes, what a community!

This gesture has brought more than just an engine to a car but revitalised the whole project and those involved in it with gusto.

It is so hard to hold onto dreams when the ritual of day to day life so often gets in the way. As Dr G says so much has happened over the duration of this project but something I am proud of our team in particular is never having given up and always looked for a way forward. If there is a lesson for others in our project I think it it could be that "fate rewards those that commit" and commit we have.

So if you have a project there in the back of your mindshed, then get it out of there into the sunlight and ask friends for help. Surround yourself with clever people and ask a lot of questions, and start making it happen. Who knows but one day if you keep at it for long enough an angel might emerge from the ether and give you the one thing you were missing to make it all happen.

Don't laugh. It happened to us.

Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, Robin Dripps.

Reverend Hedgash
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: bones on January 14, 2016, 02:58:04 AM
 

   FAN F---N TASTIC
    This is going to sound AWSOME

    Bones
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 14, 2016, 05:19:03 AM
Yes, what a community!

This gesture has brought more than just an engine to a car but revitalised the whole project and those involved in it with gusto.

It is so hard to hold onto dreams when the ritual of day to day life so often gets in the way. As Dr G says so much has happened over the duration of this project but something I am proud of our team in particular is never having given up and always looked for a way forward. If there is a lesson for others in our project I think it it could be that "fate rewards those that commit" and commit we have.

So if you have a project there in the back of your mindshed, then get it out of there into the sunlight and ask friends for help. Surround yourself with clever people and ask a lot of questions, and start making it happen. Who knows but one day if you keep at it for long enough an angel might emerge from the ether and give you the one thing you were missing to make it all happen.

Don't laugh. It happened to us.

Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, Robin Dripps.

Reverend Hedgash

Well said Dik.

We were about to embark on a long and difficult process that doing slowly only makes harder and less likely due to the interruptions that chance always throws in.

I've been tossing around ratio maps and scheming the various things we will have to do. Despite being a V6 we have our work cut out, as Sparky pointed out fitting this piece of work in as our car was built around one of the most compact motors there is. We will need to go to a fully pressurized cooling system and whether it be a wet/wet system with a radiator in a box or a traditional fan cooled radiator remains to be seen.

There's some housework on the car that needs doing on things that open and shut, we might even farm out some hinge and catch work.

I walked into the shed this afternoon and patted the tank and said,

" you'll be alright, we're going to do this".

It's been a pretty emotional week,

 I Still.Can't.Really.Believe it.

Thanks Robin. Thanks everyone.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on January 14, 2016, 09:28:26 AM
Ahhhhh the delightful twilight zone of packaging  Enjoy the trip  we look forward to you sharing it with us!!
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: tauruck on January 14, 2016, 10:34:31 AM
The forum is coming back to life. This is way cool. :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on January 14, 2016, 02:30:27 PM
Does anyone have accurate drawings of this motor or better yet a 3d model so I can drop into our 3d model of the car and start planning what we need to do space wise?

rH+
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on January 14, 2016, 02:51:59 PM
There used to be dimensions at GM  Body Builder drawings but would not be accurate for the heads and intakes system
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Interested Observer on January 15, 2016, 05:40:27 PM
SOS Consortium:
Pursuant to  your quest for dimensions on the engine offered by Robin, and since Kenny’s shop is nearby,  I went on down thinking to get some pictures and dimensions from an engine stashed under a stairwell.  Upon arrival I found that they had already crated it and its ancilliary parts and it was sitting on a pallet next to the door.  Kenny was quite accommodating and we popped the lid off the box and was able to take a few photos and make some basic envelope measurements.  They are as follows.

25” wide over the rocker covers
25” long from flywheel housing to front water pump pulley
Kenny estimated 18” long if using an electric water pump
31” tall from sump to top of inlet trumpets
Appx. 7.75-8” from sump to crank centerline (a tough one to measure inside the box)

Further discussion with Kenny--
He pulled up a dyno run which showed 420 hp at 6400 rpm, at which point he recalled that they quit the dyno pull because the engine was not really running very well.  The engine is equipped with an Electromotive system which was sort of mysterious and tough for them to deal with and so they just suspended further work on the engine and went on to the V-8 project.
He feels the mechanics and parts used in the engine are quite good and that it should easily be in the 550 hp range if the tuning were straightened out.  He suspects that it is an unsatisfactory fuel map.  So, if you have an Electromotive guru thereabouts you might start cultivating a relationship.  If it were up to Kenny, I think he would pitch the existing setup and go with Motec (which he is more familiar with), or more economically, the newer Holley systems, which he said have even more capability than Motec.  In any case, it appears that your project plan should include a reasonably healthy dose of dyno time and possibly a control system change.

As Robin mentioned, conversation(s) with Kenny or email dialog would likely provide further useful guidance.

For some unknown reason I am having difficulty transferring photos from the camera to the computer.  If and when that gets resolved I will attempt to post them as well.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: JoshH on January 15, 2016, 05:52:34 PM
Haltech?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 15, 2016, 11:08:49 PM
SOS Consortium:
Pursuant to  your quest for dimensions on the engine offered by Robin, and since Kenny’s shop is nearby,  I went on down thinking to get some pictures and dimensions from an engine stashed under a stairwell.  Upon arrival I found that they had already crated it and its ancilliary parts and it was sitting on a pallet next to the door.  Kenny was quite accommodating and we popped the lid off the box and was able to take a few photos and make some basic envelope measurements.  They are as follows.

25” wide over the rocker covers
25” long from flywheel housing to front water pump pulley
Kenny estimated 18” long if using an electric water pump
31” tall from sump to top of inlet trumpets
Appx. 7.75-8” from sump to crank centerline (a tough one to measure inside the box)

Further discussion with Kenny--
He pulled up a dyno run which showed 420 hp at 6400 rpm, at which point he recalled that they quit the dyno pull because the engine was not really running very well.  The engine is equipped with an Electromotive system which was sort of mysterious and tough for them to deal with and so they just suspended further work on the engine and went on to the V-8 project.
He feels the mechanics and parts used in the engine are quite good and that it should easily be in the 550 hp range if the tuning were straightened out.  He suspects that it is an unsatisfactory fuel map.  So, if you have an Electromotive guru thereabouts you might start cultivating a relationship.  If it were up to Kenny, I think he would pitch the existing setup and go with Motec (which he is more familiar with), or more economically, the newer Holley systems, which he said have even more capability than Motec.  In any case, it appears that your project plan should include a reasonably healthy dose of dyno time and possibly a control system change.

As Robin mentioned, conversation(s) with Kenny or email dialog would likely provide further useful guidance.

For some unknown reason I am having difficulty transferring photos from the camera to the computer.  If and when that gets resolved I will attempt to post them as well.


That was a nice gesture, thanks!

So,even running badly it makes a shipload more power than ours....

It will all fit even with that pump on the front.

We have a Haltech here and have also been offered some other stuff of which the name escapes me now by Greg Watters (maj here on landracing.com).

It also just happens that Brett de Stoop has a mate who came to Gairdner the year he had his bad spill called Nathan who is an Electromotive wizz and offered to do all our stuff if we forked for a unit, so one way or another we have probably got a solution.

Thanks Interested Observer, that was a lot of help.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: rgdavid on January 16, 2016, 06:42:48 AM
This is amazing,
I am really happy for you goggles,
You deserve it, for example when you said you carresed the tank......iknew you were "there"..totally.
I dont know you ,you dont know me but this very kind act has even made a total stranger smile,
You see the knock on effect,
Thanks robin, and thanks team sunshine for giving a dream to others,
Really excited for ya,
Dave lowen.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on January 16, 2016, 07:36:29 AM
Thanks IO, that is good info and helps make it feel real!

RG has sent us some dimensions of the block but as she says, "Note that the drawing of the engine with heads attached is showing the 18 degree racing heads and not the splayed valve head that is on my engine."

I am attaching them here for completeness.

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 16, 2016, 04:01:52 PM
This is amazing,
I am really happy for you goggles,
You deserve it, for example when you said you carresed the tank......iknew you were "there"..totally.
I dont know you ,you dont know me but this very kind act has even made a total stranger smile,
You see the knock on effect,
Thanks robin, and thanks team sunshine for giving a dream to others,
Really excited for ya,
Dave lowen.

We had enough power to go 215mph, maybe a little more if we'd found whatever was stopping our engine revving any further, we never got the chance to work out though whether it was the same thing stopping me breaking it.

Now we have in excess of 450hp........

However,

With Great Power Comes Great Responsibility

We have been handled a great opportunity and with it we have some serious work ahead of us.

Thanks everyone
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on January 16, 2016, 04:35:53 PM


With Great Power Comes Great Responsibility



That's why I stick to the small-bore stuff.   :wink:

But you guys are up to it.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: rgdavid on January 16, 2016, 05:45:38 PM
"With great power comes great  responsibility"

Not true,

"With great power comes great chance"

This chance given is a smile,a smile of you can now do it, its gonna be allright,
 use this smile and keep it going to comfort and realise this dream,
Without the smile then its a resposibility and that wont work well cos of the pressure,
Hell, if you hit 230 or 240 even you got a smile,
You gotta smile just putting that moter in the chassis,

The Sunshine is as good as a smile,
Keep it going and its going to be allrighty.
Have fun,


Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 16, 2016, 09:08:28 PM
25” wide over the rocker covers
25” long from flywheel housing to front water pump pulley
Kenny estimated 18” long if using an electric water pump
31” tall from sump to top of inlet trumpets
Appx. 7.75-8” from sump to crank centerline (a tough one to measure inside the box)

I just took some measurements.

Why hadn't I rushed out there in the middle of the night or whatever the first opportunity was? There's a simple answer to that, The Dripps/Gibby motor is going in the Spirit of Sunshine whatever the hurdles so measurement wise there was to be no bad news and I'd had around about as much good news as I could handle in one week......

I measured from the top of the lower frame tubes to the top of the firewall, that is slightly above the top of the cowl at the motor but lower that the top of the scoop.
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/P9280255_zpscdb933f2.jpg)

This shot shows the lower frame tubes, floor and engine mounts

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/P1200128.jpg)

Looking at this pic you can see where we chopped out what was probably an un-necessary cross member so we could extend our wet sump.
 BTW those engine mounts are surplus to requirements as the Dripps/Gibby motor has an engine plate, the good news on that is that it may allow us to combine the headers on the D/G motor with the collectors we currently have and avoid having to fabricate an entire set of headers (just in case you think you are seeing things there is a piece of polished stainless in the middle of this shot....)

It measured 31.2 inches, so taking the extra 1&3/4 inch of the frame tube it looks kike the motor will sit below the scoop, that was my main concern. It also appears that the 25inch width will fit inside the cowl.

Thumbs up there......
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on January 17, 2016, 12:03:48 AM
Bottoms up here  :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on January 17, 2016, 10:46:39 AM
Bottoms up here  :cheers:

LOL, but I'll join you, Sparky!  :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 17, 2016, 05:15:13 PM
If we keep our total loss cooling system, of  60 litres (+engine cooling system cap.) is this the right formula to calculate whether we have enough volume?

Specific Heat Capacity (C_p) for water @ room temp is 4.1813 J/(g*K)
K is Kelvin

The equation is Q = m*C_p*delta_T, where Q=heat energy, m=mass of water in grams, C_p = 4.1813, and delta_T = change in temp in either K or degC.


for a safe margin of error lets say we are making 350Kw ( 470 hp) for 8mins. 60 litres, raising the temp by 65 degrees C.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Interested Observer on January 17, 2016, 06:23:31 PM
Dr. G,
As a check I converted to English units and did the calculation and got delta T = 1207 F = 652C.  Which suggests there may be a factor of 10 missing somewhere.
Also, the full horsepower is  not dumped into the cooling system, and 8 minutes seems like quite a long time for a run.  If one assumes 30% of the power and 2 minutes duration, I get 90.5 F = 32.5 C which seems a reasonable result and pretty consistent with prior experience.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Interested Observer on January 17, 2016, 08:15:33 PM
Attempt at engine photos:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Interested Observer on January 17, 2016, 08:18:04 PM
More engine photos:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Interested Observer on January 17, 2016, 08:19:05 PM
And the last---
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 17, 2016, 08:24:17 PM
Dr. G,
As a check I converted to English units and did the calculation and got delta T = 1207 F = 652C.  Which suggests there may be a factor of 10 missing somewhere.
Also, the full horsepower is  not dumped into the cooling system, and 8 minutes seems like quite a long time for a run.  If one assumes 30% of the power and 2 minutes duration, I get 90.5 F = 32.5 C which seems a reasonable result and pretty consistent with prior experience.

Of course, likely a run is in the 3-4 min range, just looking for outside parameters... I asked because when I took the capo off it yesterday it was STILL pressurized two years after it last ran so if it has enough capacity it may well be convenient to use it as it is.....the least attractive option is a fan blasting air out of the top of the car......

My calculations gave me about 50% too, though by slightly different means. :roll:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Polyhead on January 17, 2016, 09:07:16 PM
Why do fabricated valve covers always end up looking like the coolest thing in the world?  Just, nothing makes an engine look serious like fabricated valve covers.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 18, 2016, 12:30:40 AM
Why do fabricated valve covers always end up looking like the coolest thing in the world?  Just, nothing makes an engine look serious like fabricated valve covers.

yep, unlike billet they hint at mongrel :cheers:

............ and 8 minutes seems like quite a long time for a run. 

You're right,it's somewhere between no-time at all and a lifetime.........at least that's what it seems like :wink:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: maj on January 18, 2016, 03:07:10 PM
Our runs include driving back on the return road , which can be the cooling down period or the last straw
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Lynchy on January 21, 2016, 07:05:35 AM
Dr G

What model is the Electromotive ignition? Big Gaz and I have both had Electromotive ignitions back in the 80s. If it is one of these I'd ditch it. They were great back then but basic these days. It's probably something a lot more recent than that... Motec is awesome but ridiculously expensive. Just the camera system in the Jag was $5k. The best system is one that you understand and can work with and have ready access to an expert.

Regards
Lynchy
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on January 21, 2016, 07:49:54 AM
Why do fabricated valve covers always end up looking like the coolest thing in the world?  Just, nothing makes an engine look serious like fabricated valve covers.

yep, unlike billet they hint at mongrel :cheers:

That's exactly what I thought. As soon as I saw them I thought that will look perfect in our tank. None of this branded mass produced bolt-on brightly coloured Speed Shop stuff! Made by hand, the weld line being the gesture of the artist that made it.

There is history in this car. From the first piece acquired being the bellytank, to the engine it is receiving today. Every piece of this car has pretty well been repurposed from other projects and lord knows how many thousands of hours went into those projects, how many sleepless nights, how many minds, how many fingers scarred (Dr. G holds the record) and it is great to see the memory of that effort and the people written into the material of its manufacture.

This car was made by many, all who share the Spirit of Sunshine.

Reverend Hedgash.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on January 21, 2016, 12:52:44 PM
Electromotive were the pioneers in crank trigger ignition back in the 80's but didn't really pursue the V8 world but rather the Porsche stuff.
They still support all there systems right back to day one. NRE uses Electromotive on all there engines, I have two older Tech 3 units on my turbo'd Keith Black with Moran 500 injectors so I wouldn't be too keen to throw money away by going to something else for no good reason.
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on January 21, 2016, 01:58:53 PM
In for a penny, in for a pound on the Electromotive - Just the ignition on the BMC, as we ran a carby, but will be upgrading on the Rover with EFI.

I really like the programmability and the dash board of the WINTEC software.

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 21, 2016, 07:15:33 PM
Electromotive were the pioneers in crank trigger ignition back in the 80's but didn't really pursue the V8 world but rather the Porsche stuff.
They still support all there systems right back to day one. NRE uses Electromotive on all there engines, I have two older Tech 3 units on my turbo'd Keith Black with Moran 500 injectors so I wouldn't be too keen to throw money away by going to something else for no good reason.
  Sid.

turboed Keith Black with Moran injectors...... the earth just shifted on it's axis.....
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Lynchy on January 21, 2016, 07:26:11 PM
Sid

The Electromotive units we had back in the 80's were the HPV-1 and I had a HPV-3. By todays standards they are like using an abacus as a computer. A fitbit has more computing power these days. But they were great products. I seriously doubt that the one supplied with the engine is that old. I still think it would be more productive for the guys to use a computer that they already have backed up by help from one of their many friends who has that specific experience. The alternative is to use the Electromotive if it is mapped as per how the guys want to run the engine and they learn how to use it. If it has to be remapped, they can change it for one that they have better access to experience for.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: wobblywalrus on January 21, 2016, 10:35:17 PM
The older simpler system might be a whole lot easier to use as a learning tool, and especially if it is set up and working now.   
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 31, 2016, 08:19:49 PM
Hi All,

freight is paid, we're hoping the motor will ship on Wednesday, air freight.... I'm hoping that it comes to Melbourne Australia, where we are, not Austria. Don't be silly I hear you say, well I'm not being silly. The tall bloke in Milwaukee, yes Chris of the Conrads sent me a few packages of guitar parts and a case in August last year, the parcels were posted about five days apart. About four days after the second parcel was posted it arrived here in chilly Lancefield with the fresh summer air of Wisconsin still seeping from it, problem was the first parcel hadn't arrived, and three days later there was still no sign.

"It's in Vienna"

"huh?"

"here's the tracking number, see for yourself"

Sure enough, it was in Vienna Austria........ It seems the dispatch centre in Chicago has a reputation for some almighty mix-ups....

So anyway, back to the motor....we're just the tiniest bit excited about all this....Some 25's arrived for the front of the car last week, next I'll be looking for a harness .........I'll keep you posted.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on January 31, 2016, 10:59:27 PM
 :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: tauruck on January 31, 2016, 11:05:35 PM
That's funny :-D :-D

I sold some Harley offset sprockets to a guy from a city called Nokia
in Finland. It only cost me about $10 through the post office which I thought was
really cheap considering the weight of the package. The guy at the post office forgot
to put the airmail label on the box so it went on a boat. :evil:

Short story. It took about 6 months to reach the customer.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Polyhead on January 31, 2016, 11:19:16 PM
That's funny :-D :-D

I sold some Harley offset sprockets to a guy from a city called Nokia
in Finland. It only cost me about $10 through the post office which I thought was
really cheap considering the weight of the package. The guy at the post office forgot
to put the airmail label on the box so it went on a boat. :evil:

Short story. It took about 6 months to reach the customer.

The royal post lost a package sent to me from England once.  They paid off my boy friend for the lost shipment after 6 months.  4 months later it shows up anyway... about 3 months after he mailed out the replacement package.... british royal post everyone!  But having two boxes of pg tips wasn't a bad thing.  Tips were hard to get in this nation at the time but now most grocery stores here in the PNW have pg tips.  Which figures since now I drink more rooibos than I do tips.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on February 01, 2016, 12:10:03 AM
Ben said:  "...But having two boxes of pg tips wasn't a bad thing.  Tips were hard to get in this nation at the time but now most grocery stores here in the PNW have pg tips.  Which figures since now I drink more rooibos than I do tips."

Well, I figured out what PNW is, but the rest of those code words?  Well, maybe we've witnessed someone calling to the aliens and speaking in tongues? :evil:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: tauruck on February 01, 2016, 04:51:21 AM
Rooibos is a tea from South Africa and in English means red bush.
Not related to Mary Jane in any way.
The other codes only Ben knows.

This forum is the best. I have so many good laughs along with the education.
I'm just waiting for Floydjr to weigh in. :-D :-D :-D :-D :evil: :roll: 8-) :lol: :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Polyhead on February 01, 2016, 07:19:38 AM
Rooibos is a tea from South Africa and in English means red bush.
Not related to Mary Jane in any way.
The other codes only Ben knows.

This forum is the best. I have so many good laughs along with the education.
I'm just waiting for Floydjr to weigh in. :-D :-D :-D :-D :evil: :roll: 8-) :lol: :cheers:

PG-tips is a british tea. 
http://www.amazon.com/PG-Tips-Black-Pyramid-240-Count/dp/B001EQ5JLE

Mary Jane has never been an issue to get in Portland from what I can tell.  You can't walk 2 blocks without passing someone smoking it. :/  I'm pretty sure 1/3 of the city is high at any given time.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 01, 2016, 03:18:59 PM
Tea drinkin' and smokin' in one post.

You'll have a friend in the Reverend, he, as we politely say, is a tea drinker...and, for that matter, the Colonel was born in Kent or at least he's a bit of a Kent.... :roll:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on February 01, 2016, 09:18:23 PM
Tea drinkin' and smokin' in one post.

You'll have a friend in the Reverend, he, as we politely say, is a tea drinker...and, for that matter, the Colonel was born in Kent or at least he's a bit of a Kent.... :roll:

Cotswolds actually

G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on February 02, 2016, 05:17:20 AM


You'll have a friend in the Reverend, he, as we politely say, is a tea drinker...

?!?!!?!?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 02, 2016, 05:02:50 PM
You drink tea.

I said drink.

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: tauruck on February 06, 2016, 07:45:57 PM
What's the latest James????.

Or are you guys drinking tea?. :-)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 07, 2016, 05:52:10 PM
Today is the day.

We've paid the freight. The duty has been calculated and paid, where would we be without customs?...

It is to be delivered to the Colonel's work, to say I'm a little excited would be an understatement.

In other news the Colonel has worked out that if we use a Datsun 260 tailshaft we get flanges that may save us a shipload of work when we want to make a ratio change at the lake.

And finally in other news that isn't the other news our house has a new front on it. I had a week off and took off all the weatherboards , insulated, sarked and then fitted new weatherboards. The lady at the hardware store in town complained how windy and dusty it had been , I said, "that dust came out of my house"

Have you booked your tickets yet Wayno? How is Gus's savings plan going? Don, Sandy needs a holiday... Stainless, ever been to Australia outside airports?........................
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on February 07, 2016, 06:10:46 PM
They're probably all Super Bowl ing Goggs.
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on February 07, 2016, 06:49:19 PM
I can multi-task, Sid.  :lol: Nope. Ain't bought them yet. Still working on it.  :cheers: Wayno


Multi-task my a$$. I can barely tie my own shoes.  :roll:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on February 07, 2016, 06:50:14 PM
I just dealt with that arrangement today pulling the driveshaft and the Grenade out of the Midget.  Very BMC - just keep adding bolts.

But yes, a whole hellofalot easier than the histrionics necessary to change out gears that you currently go through.

Now to come up with a flange for the pinion.

May the axle housing never suffer the indignities of complete disassembly again.  :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: salt27 on February 07, 2016, 07:19:53 PM
Have you booked your tickets yet Wayno? How is Gus's savings plan going? Don, Sandy needs a holiday... Stainless, ever been to Australia outside airports?........................

Goggs, I wasn't born yesterday.

Hmmm, friend doing major house reconstruction invites you over.....   :-D

Seriously, we would love to but right now it's work when the works available. 

This new bullet for the SOS makes me about pee myself, I imagine you must have at least soiled your self a little bit.   :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 07, 2016, 07:26:31 PM
They're probably all Super Bowl ing Goggs.
  Sid.

A prize insult when I was at school was "Champion!"... It meant " champion bowl swimmer" if you get my drift....
No comment from you on the new motor young fella?


Goggs, I wasn't born yesterday.

Hmmm, friend doing major house reconstruction invites you over.....   :-D

Seriously, we would love to but right now it's work when the works available.  

This new bullet for the SOS makes me about pee myself, I imagine you must have at least soiled your self a little bit.   :cheers:

Oh yeah and bring yer nail bag and trowel.

I'll be honest, I am still stunned, stunned about the whole thing. Got people to talk to about a new exhaust and few other things....... Gotta wrap some house stuff up and then start pulling the Buick out of the SOS :cheers:

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on February 07, 2016, 08:20:35 PM
For the record, you know we're talking about next year, right? Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 07, 2016, 10:31:42 PM
I do, you've got twelve months, no excuses. :wink:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 08, 2016, 04:01:50 PM
It didn't arrive yesterday, it is on its way from Sydney apparently, by mule train. :dhorse: :dhorse:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on February 08, 2016, 04:27:18 PM
Shazaam - it's already in Oz?

Tangential to Don's point -

When I owned a van and more of my friends were transient, I always made sure to drop it off for service on weekends when my buddies were moving.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on February 08, 2016, 05:46:58 PM
when I single and sold trucks in Dallas my friend George's sister was very free with offering my access to vans to her school teacher friends who were in need---I finally told her hippee rules applied 
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 09, 2016, 12:25:14 AM
It's here. I done seen it wit me own eyes. :-o

Thanks Robin, the adventure resumes, right here, right now.

 :-D

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: tauruck on February 09, 2016, 01:43:04 AM
Great stuff. :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on February 09, 2016, 02:40:50 AM
My boss said 'Make sure you give him a clean rag. don't want a clean up in aisle three.'
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on February 09, 2016, 05:14:11 AM
Oh no, it's left hand drive!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on February 09, 2016, 08:05:54 AM
Dik said:  "Oh no, it's left hand drive!!!!!!!!!"

No bother, you guys.  You're in Oz -- just turn it upside down and it'll all be fine. :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on February 09, 2016, 09:17:59 AM
It's here. I done seen it wit me own eyes. :-o

Thanks Robin, the adventure resumes, right here, right now.

 :-D


 :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on February 12, 2016, 04:38:35 AM
Dik said:  "Oh no, it's left hand drive!!!!!!!!!"

No bother, you guys.  You're in Oz -- just turn it upside down and it'll all be fine. :-D

Good thing it has a dry sump
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: tauruck on February 12, 2016, 05:11:26 AM
My question is do these NH motors turn in the opposite direction?. :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on February 12, 2016, 08:38:22 PM
We can probably get a kit to fix that. like the one for the Corvair conversion for a VW

now we really are  :dhorse:
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Rob on February 14, 2016, 05:25:07 AM
Just flip the diff!
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: rgdavid on February 14, 2016, 07:02:20 AM
Its in australia so its allready upside down  :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: twodear on February 15, 2016, 02:56:38 AM
I think that this is a good opportunity to set a record while driving in reverse.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on February 15, 2016, 04:55:10 AM
I think someone already has that one
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: fredvance on February 16, 2016, 12:08:47 PM
I think Freud has the "backup" record. :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: tauruck on February 16, 2016, 02:48:22 PM
I need to apologize for turning this thread upside down. :oops:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 16, 2016, 03:40:35 PM
Ok, OK, oK......

I measured the width of aforesaid motor while I was ogling it last week and it appears to be a little wider than the Buick based V6 we have in the car so we're going to send it back....... :roll:

When we first started building the SOS the Reverend had some blow moulds made of the 1:5 scale model he had turned, there are still some of these floating around , I think possibly in the roof of the SOS landpseed laboratory, possum park and idiot wonderland which is currently occupied by Professor Quick, the push car driver and agony aunt of the SOS team. I'm figuring that following on the design cues of using every single tiny bit of the Canberra and F86 tanks that we could (reversing the piece that forms the roll cage cap, using the very tip as the scoop) that a 1:5 scale piece of the Canberra would make perfect blisters for the heads of the new motor to fit within the cowl.

This is where it gets complicated. The car was built around the Y-Block config of the Buick motor, the Chev with it's skirt finishing at the crank centreline and it's vastly smaller sump could likely fit lower in the car, the heads would then fit sitting lower, in a wider section of the body. Sounds simple? Thing is that would involve tilting the diff housing and changing the gearbox mounts and probably the scattershield mounts. In my estimation that job would make the two days of work to drop the front axle 1/2 an inch look like a pork in the wark. The scattershield and gearbox wouldn't be so bad but rotating the diff housing would probably require a thermo-lance, after doing the 10 bolt conversion the whole rear assembly is pretty much solid steel with a few tiny holes the axles fit through..........

So anyway, in answer to your question that you arksed elsewhere I haven't hoisted the motor from the tank yet, I need enough room in the more than expansive shed to stand and right now house renovations are still making that difficult. The Chev is staying in it's box until we get back from the salt in three weeks. When that happens I'll be at it....
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on February 16, 2016, 05:31:07 PM
A Wiseman liveth down under !!!

 the lowest thing in my car is the trans'pan with the dry sump oil pan on it.

 I urge you measure the lot of it before you go to the salt---it might surprise you what your long drives might reveal over the next three weeks.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on February 16, 2016, 08:00:07 PM
I urge you measure the lot of it before you go to the salt---it might surprise you what your long drives might reveal over the next three weeks.

X2

Sometimes, a person's best thinking happens when they're not thinking about it.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on February 16, 2016, 08:57:20 PM
That's what I think.  :-) But, I'm not really thinking about it.  :roll:      :-D  :cheers: Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 16, 2016, 11:40:04 PM
I urge you measure the lot of it before you go to the salt---it might surprise you what your long drives might reveal over the next three weeks.

X2

Sometimes, a person's best thinking happens when they're not thinking about it.

As a lead guitarist I can attest it is possible to play, sing and think about something entirely unrelated at a gig...... So much so that if you suddenly think " hang on where am I? " that it is safer to immediately return to what you were previously thinking about before the anxious conscious mind overwhelmes muscle memory and it all goes to shit....
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on February 16, 2016, 11:53:47 PM
I played a set one night with a series of Bettie Page videos playing on the flat screen behind the bar.
Muscle memory . . .
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on February 17, 2016, 03:42:02 AM

As a lead guitarist I can attest it is possible to play, sing and think about something entirely unrelated at a gig...... So much so that if you suddenly think " hang on where am I? " that it is safer to immediately return to what you were previously thinking about before the anxious conscious mind overwhelmes muscle memory and it all goes to Subaru....


Yep. I've seen some funny shit happen at some of your gigs.
It's all olive oil under the bridge
G

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 17, 2016, 04:22:44 AM
I played a set one night with a series of Bettie Page videos playing on the flat screen behind the bar.
Muscle memory . . .

hey guys, can you turn the football off?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on February 17, 2016, 05:42:07 AM

 I'm figuring that following on the design cues of using every single tiny bit of the Canberra and F86 tanks that we could (reversing the piece that forms the roll cage cap, using the very tip as the scoop) that a 1:5 scale piece of the Canberra would make perfect blisters for the heads of the new motor to fit within the cowl.


OK, I like the idea but being a thermoplastic I would suggest we don't do that as by the end of the run it will be shaped more like a used condom than a blister...
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 17, 2016, 05:47:33 AM

 I'm figuring that following on the design cues of using every single tiny bit of the Canberra and F86 tanks that we could (reversing the piece that forms the roll cage cap, using the very tip as the scoop) that a 1:5 scale piece of the Canberra would make perfect blisters for the heads of the new motor to fit within the cowl.


OK, I like the idea but being a thermoplastic I would suggest we don't do that as by the end of the run it will be shaped more like a used condom than a blister...


I'd be flopping a fibreglass off them I reckon.......
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on February 17, 2016, 06:34:16 AM
Hmmm...

You did a pretty good job bashing out the blisters at the axle junction, could you do the same out of a piece of aluminium? Haven't used plastic yet on the car and I am loathe to do so at this late stage.

The blister is all very well and good as a shape on its own but remember the junction to the bodywork needs to be smooth too (radius of 500mm?) to minimise drag. This can be bog.

I'll be there in April so let me have a look then!!!

Dik
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: tauruck on February 17, 2016, 08:34:01 AM
What dimensions are those blisters?.
One never knows what lurks here in SA. :wink:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on February 17, 2016, 09:22:45 AM
I played a set one night with a series of Bettie Page videos playing on the flat screen behind the bar.
Muscle memory . . .

hey guys, can you turn the football off?

That never happens.

When I lived in Iowa, and we routinely played a biker bar outside of Cedar Rapids, on Saturday nights, during "Saturday Night Live", when Mr. Bill came on, they'd make us stop.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 25, 2016, 05:27:33 AM
we set off this morning



we just did 13 hours and we're in Port Augusta.....
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on February 25, 2016, 05:31:14 AM
What dimensions are those blisters?.
One never knows what lurks here in SA. :wink:

Not sure yet, I'll be in Oz in April and will help assess an appropriate design response to the engine size.

Also need to check the scoop situation.

Some other things I'd like to tidy up too.

rH+
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Kiwi Paul on February 25, 2016, 12:28:05 PM
Good Grief!! I think Grumm MIGHT ACTUALLY BE SMILING in that shot, James...... :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on February 25, 2016, 02:33:12 PM
Nah, I'd say he's trying to sneak a fart while Goggs isn't looking.  Too bad -- the camera sees all, knows all. :evil:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on February 25, 2016, 05:13:19 PM
Looks like Goggs just took a hit up the side of the head right then & liked it!  :mrgreen:
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 03, 2016, 10:05:39 PM
I've just been to the end of the earth and now I'm coming back, I may never be the same again.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on March 03, 2016, 10:12:33 PM
Wudda ya mean? You never were the same.  :roll:  :cheers: Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on March 03, 2016, 11:23:55 PM
LOL............. the same as WHAT!! :-D :evil: 8-) :dhorse:
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 03, 2016, 11:43:31 PM
Was low on responsibilities, may have actually drunk enough beer to fix the Australian economy.

Peter Warren has a new glass P38 with a clevo headed Windsor. It ran 204.xxx.

I told the story about Robin's gift of the V6 about a thousand times. It is now officially an urban myth in the DLRA community.I had people I never met in my life rubbing their chins and shaking their heads in astonishment. When I'd say, "no, it's not a joke, we already have it n Melbourne"  people would just gape.

I was talking to a cam guy yesterday and I showed him the flow data and the cam sheet, he was politely nodding along before that......after he was stunned, just like we are.

Stuart Hooper's blown Velo ran mid 190's, Mal Hewatt's Vincent ran mid 180's.

John Dents tank ran high 250's and a new guy Craig Rogers turned up with a rail style Lakester with  turbo 250 cube Ford straight six. He was speed limited due to some new car tech issues under 200 but it ran laps faultlessly, gotta eat.

 

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on March 03, 2016, 11:56:36 PM
Welcome home, and bon appetite!

Didn't Grummy post up some pics of that inline lakester a few moons back?

Make us (U.S.) sick - how was the salt?

You still have the weekend in front of you - the shed beckons, ya lucky sod.  :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 04, 2016, 01:00:29 AM

Make us (U.S.) sick - how was the salt?


Get a tissue. Not racing means I can't say exactly but I did see a lot of the track, between the 3 and 4 it was so hard that they couldn't groom it completely. It was a little wet beyond the second track but it was as smooth as I have ever seen it. I walked the 3 or 4 miles out to the pits the first three mornings, there were almost no pressure ridges and the surface was really sparkly with quite large crystals( 3/16ths ) in patches.Intensely white and not much salt stuck to the cars or shoes.

Les Davenport was trying to remain calm, I told him they cut a 14 mile course one year, this year it was pretty soupy that far out, but someone went down to the eight and didn't get bogged.....and of course there's a few miles of good salt behind the start.......

The only spin was a car that blew a front tire.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: PJQ on March 05, 2016, 05:24:18 AM
Salt was in fantastic condition, road in was smooth and not overly corrugated on the way out. Desert was green, flies plentiful, Emus and Kangas fat and happy.

Pic attached of end of day yarn time. A salt new comer (at back, standing, tugging chin) absorbs the stream of wisdom, and other things, from the usual suspects and subjects on this thread. (left to right: Simon Davidson, Ross Brown (sitting on his latest creation), Goggles, Grumm & Corrine, chin-tugging new guy.

The guys should be home tonight (Oz time), stay tuned for more.

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: wobblywalrus on March 10, 2016, 10:29:24 PM
Something about your tank's mother.  www.bbc.com/future/story/20160309-why-nasa-still-flies-an-old-british-bomber-design (http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20160309-why-nasa-still-flies-an-old-british-bomber-design)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on March 11, 2016, 12:39:27 AM
great read
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 11, 2016, 04:31:37 PM
Hi All,
there's a few creaks and groans starting at the SOS homebase.

Sometime this weekend I'll hoist the drivetrain, then we'll be getting a mock up of the engine plate so we can start to imagine the chev in place.

On the Colonel's insistence we are going to an R&P, as it turns out we are in Oz and a wizard in Kansas has one we can use :-D

I got the new tyres mounted this week.

I'm in contact with some boffins in Californiay in an effort to replace our harness( seems easy enough) because we want EXACTLY what we have now, because it works.

We will be altering the operation of our canopy which after four trips in and out of the lake doesn't work as well as it used to.

We might, shock horror, be changing the exhaust and the chute situation too.

They're some of the items on the agenda. The last two times we ran we were either working on the car or waiting in line and ran only four times at each meet. Altering some aspects of the car will lessen the effort to change the gearing or pull the drivetrain if and when necessary.

As you were.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on March 12, 2016, 02:39:17 AM
Thanks, I were. 8-)
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 13, 2016, 06:23:05 PM
Happy birthday Wayno :cheers:

11&1/2 months to go til DLRA speed week.........
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on March 13, 2016, 06:52:38 PM
Happy birthday Wayno :cheers:

11&1/2 months to go til DLRA speed week.........

What he said
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on March 13, 2016, 08:26:45 PM
And only 5 1/2 hours to my birthday over here. You lucky guys get to start early.  :-)  :cheers: Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on March 13, 2016, 09:18:44 PM
And only 5 1/2 hours to my birthday over here. You lucky guys get to start early.  :-)  :cheers: Wayno

I think I'll drink with the Aussies.

Happy Birthday, Wayno!  :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on March 13, 2016, 09:23:55 PM
Yea, me too.... but I ain't gonna try to keep up with them  :-D
Learned that lesson years ago  :cheers:

Forgot Happy Birthday Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 20, 2016, 07:17:26 PM
Yesterday I started turning some spanners, and well, an angle grinder, a burr and eventually a cold chisel.

It's a bit over two years since the last time the car ran and it wasn't torn down after it's last meet.

I put the hoist together, I managed to drop a piece of it on the tail, that's no big deal I'll be painting it again anyway. Some of the Allen heads were frozen solid, they're a neat thing that are fast to remove, when they are in good condition. When they aren't the mechanical advantage that the thread has over the shallow hex drive means they shit themselves in a hurry, yep stainless ones, they'd be nice...but they're softer and even less reliable.

So I got the tail off, there was a homeless guy living in there, we sat around and talked for a bit, actually it was a bunch of leaf litter and some dust admittedly I was pretty tired.

I hoisted the water tank and unbolted the scatter-shield, the job at hand was to measure the motor and see how it compares to the Dripps motor. From the top the motor is pretty much a 560mm square and it fits within 800mm in height.

I get an email from our man in Preston...

So , rough dimensions

from the back face of the block to the front of the block, 440 mm
front face of the block to the end of the water pump pulley, 180mm ( the
water pump has a 30 mm spacer on it that we might be able to lose)
the other thing about the water pump on a chev is that it is almost an
after thought bolted on the front of the block. we could run an electric
pump
front face of the block to the front of the bottom pulley, 210mm
total length   650mm

the center line of the crank shaft is level with the bottom face of the
block unlike the commodore motor

bottom face of the block to the bottom of the sump 180mm
bottom face of the block the the top of the injectors  590mm ( this
doesn't allow for an air gap above the injector hats)
Total height 770mm


rocker cover to rocker cover is 670mm
should've measured rocker crank center line to rocker cover. tomorrow if
i get a chance

engine mounts
they are a plate on the front face of the block
the mounting holes are about 265mm each side of the center line of the
crank and about 130 mm above the center line of the crank

We may still have to make the car longer

G


On the face of it we will have to add some blisters to the cowl to fit the heads in.

An electric water pump will ease the space at the front but we have the dry sump pump there too and it won't be moving.  We have a good 150mm at the front of the motor and I'm confident that we can get the Chev in without adding any length to the car but we won't be able to do a belt change. Having said that it would not be difficult, and it will likely be necessary to make the firewall (or part of it) removable in order to access the front of the motor..

more later.......
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 28, 2016, 05:44:18 AM
 Hi All,

Pete dropped over yesterday, ostensibly to show off the V8 audi wagon he'd just bought so I fed him and roped him into helping me pull the motor from the tank. He'd been at the historic bike meet at Broadford which was a Guzzi get together and had a whole bunch of big end stuff over from Italy, along with some italians, who thought...... There was a late 50's( the late 50's) V8 GP bike and 500 or so other bit's and bobs.

Our mate Bones ( Dave MacLachlan) and his pal Rod had taken Bones's 2 stroke there to blow it up so they dropped in  on their way to Greg Watter's place to sit and watch us skin a few knuckles.

Now, because my place has been renovation central for the last 12 months or more there has been zero time setting up the shed as auto heaven, we fumbled and bumped but we got happening pretty quick and after about an hour and a half we had the motor swinging.

It'll go on a dolly and it will go to the Colonel's place out of harm's way, or as I said yesterday "far from the reach of grinder grit, blasting sand, sawdust or chook shit"

It was good to make that step, but then today it was back on the saw bench and what with not having packed up all the tools from yesterday, and spreading a whole bunch more around today it looks like a tornado has been through.............
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 29, 2016, 07:34:17 AM
A steering rack arrived in the mail today from a good friend in Kansas.....


In other news I spoke to Ian powell who did the dyno work on our most recent motor.....he'd already heard about the new motor through the grapevine, over the next couple of weeks we'll get it up to him in shepparton so he can build the various bits he needs to get it on his tailshaft dyno, from there we'll make a start.

Today I tidied up the shed, sheesh, I sure know how to make a mess.....
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: tauruck on March 29, 2016, 07:43:27 AM
All good news IMO James.

Great to hear you're making headway. :cheers:
About the mess????. Is that a challenge?. :-D.
That record is mine and it's going to take some doing. :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
You don't see it coming and suddenly it's there.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 29, 2016, 08:11:03 AM
Nah, you do resin, your idea of a mess would be clinically clean in my book......your mess would be a dribble on my boots.......
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: tauruck on March 29, 2016, 08:27:25 AM
I weld, cut pipes, grind and there's a pile of steel off cuts that weighs a few tons here you haven't seen. :-D :-D :-D :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: bones on March 31, 2016, 04:06:46 AM
Hey tauruck
         
        Dr Goggles' place is a mess--- he has WOOD in the garage. A nice size table saw right in the doorway
       and everything is covered in saw dust!!!! :-D

           cheers     Bones
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 31, 2016, 05:08:48 AM
Listen to the man.

Wood I tells ya. :cry:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Speed Limit 1000 on March 31, 2016, 08:31:47 AM



Ohhh wait, I know what the prize is:    A pissed off wife when I'm working on race stuff instead of "home improvements" . . . . . . . .

Maybe I need a better life plan . . . . . . .    :dhorse:

 :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Rethinkin'itboy

[/quote]

Someone once asked what my wife thought about spending money on the race stuff. I told them that she said if I spent one more nickle on it she was leaving...
I still have a nice set of Mikuni flat slides :cheers:

Johnboy
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on March 31, 2016, 09:47:52 AM

Someone once asked what my wife thought about spending money on the race stuff. I told them that she said if I spent one more nickle on it she was leaving...
I still have a nice set of Mikuni flat slides :cheers:

Johnboy

And at a bargain price!  :cheers:

Doc, we're in the same boat.  The winter has seen the Pommy Pigmy Playhouse fall into a state of disrepair with scattered tools, metal shavings, newly acquired B-block with sundries and road salt slurry that's dripped from the truck from another Wisconsin winter of halite hell.  I elected to burn a vacation day today and get it to the point I can traverse the threshold of the service door to the snow blower without tactical rappelling equipment.

I recall you quoting your mum a while back - something to the effect of "If you don't know what to do next, clean something" . . .
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Buickguy3 on March 31, 2016, 10:12:58 AM
    I had a wood cutting band saw once. I put a frequency drive and a three phase motor on it and now it cuts metal. [No saw dust here since I finished the house].
        Doug  :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: bones on April 01, 2016, 02:53:44 AM
Fordboy
     There is a prize---   at a salt lake far far away :-D
       
         Bones
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: tauruck on April 01, 2016, 02:57:56 AM
Bones, there's only wood here in the AM!.
Sorry man, I couldn't resist. :-D :-D :-D :-D


Wood has no place in LSR. When was the last time wood broke a record?.
James, get rid of that carpentry stuff!!!!. :evil: :wink:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: WhizzbangK.C. on April 01, 2016, 08:44:01 AM
Bones, there's only wood here in the AM!.
Sorry man, I couldn't resist. :-D :-D :-D :-D


Wood has no place in LSR. When was the last time wood broke a record?.
James, get rid of that carpentry stuff!!!!. :evil: :wink:

Last time wood broke a record? That was probably me. (see avatar, the body is made of wood covered with fiberglass)  :-D Bones saw it and can testify.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: tauruck on April 02, 2016, 03:20:25 PM
Not having much luck lately am I ?. :-D :-D :-D
Sorry man. :oops:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: WhizzbangK.C. on April 02, 2016, 04:33:02 PM
Heck, I thought the wood was funny at the time, and so did everyone else.  :cheers: but it did the job.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on April 02, 2016, 05:54:15 PM
Heck, I thought the wood was funny at the time, and so did everyone else.  :cheers: but it did the job.

but it's not setting any records, now the Colonel on the other hand.....
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on April 03, 2016, 01:40:13 AM
Meh
I just pulled one of my sheds down. now I can see the sky in my backyard.
My darling Corinne reckons (Aussie slang for "says") i have a mess, and the shed she let me have isn't big enough
When was a shed ever big enough, and it's not mess, it's just stuff I haven't used yet.
As for dust and metal filings.....
there's more of that in my house than in the new shed

G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: bones on April 04, 2016, 03:48:30 AM
 
    Graham
                When will you release the new engine?   Doc says you have it.
                There is an engine bay that needs to be filled.
 
                 Bones
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on April 04, 2016, 05:09:26 AM
 
    Graham
                When will you release the new engine?   Doc says you have it.
                There is an engine bay that needs to be filled.
 
                 Bones

He's not ready
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on April 04, 2016, 07:22:46 AM
 
    Graham
                When will you release the new engine?   Doc says you have it.
                There is an engine bay that needs to be filled.
 
                 Bones

....are you insane?

you saw my shed.........

What I need is the engine plate. two more weeks and the Reverend will be here, btw, Colonel you and 'er have to come up for the night, we can have canapes around the tank it's the 23rd...........
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on April 09, 2016, 03:56:20 AM

I get an email from our man in Preston...

So , rough dimensions

from the back face of the block to the front of the block, 440 mm
front face of the block to the end of the water pump pulley, 180mm ( the
water pump has a 30 mm spacer on it that we might be able to lose)
the other thing about the water pump on a chev is that it is almost an
after thought bolted on the front of the block. we could run an electric
pump
front face of the block to the front of the bottom pulley, 210mm
total length   650mm

the center line of the crank shaft is level with the bottom face of the
block unlike the commodore motor

bottom face of the block to the bottom of the sump 180mm
bottom face of the block the the top of the injectors  590mm ( this
doesn't allow for an air gap above the injector hats)
Total height 770mm


rocker cover to rocker cover is 670mm
should've measured rocker crank center line to rocker cover. tomorrow if
i get a chance

engine mounts
they are a plate on the front face of the block
the mounting holes are about 265mm each side of the center line of the
crank and about 130 mm above the center line of the crank

We may still have to make the car longer

G




Enu Stew!!!
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: tauruck on April 09, 2016, 07:38:03 AM
Wish I had mates to have "canapes' around my liner even though I don't have a clue what they are.
You choose, mates or canapes?. :-D :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on April 09, 2016, 09:06:56 AM
Mike, in Australia when they say "canapes" they mean any food item served in bits too small to mean much of anything so the ingestors (like that new word?) can keep talking while simultaneously eating.

Like whiskey-flavored lozenges, for instance. :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on April 09, 2016, 04:23:44 PM
I know most of you monkeys have trouble with the jargon so give this a trot & see how it feels. :-D
  Sid.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxHpl-1VJHo
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on April 09, 2016, 04:43:30 PM
I'm confused.  Nothing new there, but it seems like they dubbed the Parliament House audio archive feed over a football game.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on April 09, 2016, 09:07:10 PM
I know most of you monkeys have trouble with the jargon so give this a trot & see how it feels. :-D
  Sid.


I was wondering why Slim's language filter didn't work on the vid
but moving on, as with most things in Australia, our language has been out sourced
pay careful attention to the made in China, Aussie barbecue tools

G

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHQRZXM-4xI
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: wobblywalrus on April 10, 2016, 01:09:52 AM
Canapes might have come from California.  My mother served them to us hungry kids as a snack about 50 or more years ago.  Crackers with a little piece of cheese and sausage on top or mayo with capers, pickle, and sardines or tuna.  A lot of the time there were toothpicks in the canapés.  Proper etiquette was to lift the canapé off of the plate and eat the morsel but not the toothpick.       
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on April 10, 2016, 02:05:13 AM
I know most of you monkeys have trouble with the jargon so give this a trot & see how it feels. :-D
  Sid.


I was wondering why Slim's language filter didn't work on the vid
but moving on, as with most things in Australia, our language has been out sourced
pay careful attention to the made in China, Aussie barbecue tools

G

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHQRZXM-4xI

I hear you're having another boat problem.
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on April 10, 2016, 03:35:35 AM
No
I don't even own a boat
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: PJQ on April 10, 2016, 07:08:51 AM
And we're a tolerant lot, till someone bigger tries to knock us over. Here's an episode of Gary The Goat, an Outback wanderer. Jimbo & Gary's Youtube channel was banned for not following guidelines. The uproar was loud enough that Youtube backed down, now we can spread the culture...

https://youtu.be/DRFVPrbIkVs (https://youtu.be/DRFVPrbIkVs)

Might be relevant to the thread, Jimbo & Gary zigzag across the Outback, they're bound to show up at Speedweek one year.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on April 10, 2016, 05:08:44 PM
Yeah, canned-apes are a delicious snack.....



So , rough dimensions

from the back face of the block to the front of the block, 440 mm
front face of the block to the end of the water pump pulley, 180mm ( the
water pump has a 30 mm spacer on it that we might be able to lose)
the other thing about the water pump on a chev is that it is almost an
after thought bolted on the front of the block. we could run an electric
pump
front face of the block to the front of the bottom pulley, 210mm
total length   650mm

the center line of the crank shaft is level with the bottom face of the
block unlike the commodore motor

bottom face of the block to the bottom of the sump 180mm
bottom face of the block the the top of the injectors  590mm ( this
doesn't allow for an air gap above the injector hats)
Total height 770mm


rocker cover to rocker cover is 670mm
should've measured rocker crank center line to rocker cover. tomorrow if
i get a chance

engine mounts
they are a plate on the front face of the block
the mounting holes are about 265mm each side of the center line of the
crank and about 130 mm above the center line of the crank

We may still have to make the car longer

G




That looks good, if there is anyway we can use a slightly shorter front set/ or narrower belt arrangement that would be useful...what about a double or triple v-belt?

The engine plate is a neat fit, that should be no trouble at all but what goes ahead of that may be problematic.

The car is on stands, it got a bit of a clean as it was the backdrop to Simon's little video shoot on the weekend, he made me do stuff over, and over, and over......... we had words....."mate, the butterfly will be dead by the time you catch it"........... :dhorse:

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on April 10, 2016, 06:17:19 PM
I'm trying to work out what you are doing to my rims in the picture Simon sent me
Were they a bit of a tight fit?
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on April 10, 2016, 07:26:31 PM
I'm trying to work out what you are doing to my rims in the picture Simon sent me
Were they a bit of a tight fit?
G

yeah you could say that...........

They're always a little tight those hubs, we've cleaned up the inner edge of the race wheels, those trailer ones need to have the same treatment and we need to keep those hubs with a little coating of something to stop them getting that little rusting on them ..........what I was doing was putting a little pressure on them while some WD40 seeped in..then some judicious tapping on the baseplate of the jack and it let go..

SPANG!!!!!!


As you were.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on April 11, 2016, 11:43:02 AM
How are you hooking trans to pinion, can you go to a Greek coupler or a flat flange setup & cheat the engine/trans back a skosh?
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on April 11, 2016, 05:41:36 PM
How are you hooking trans to pinion, can you go to a Greek coupler or a flat flange setup & cheat the engine/trans back a skosh?
  Sid.

Good question Sid-en-eeee,

Herr Grumm has mentioned the possibility of using something like the Datto tailshaft with flanges, going Greek could be good but I'm not sure sure we could muster the Drachmas for that.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on April 11, 2016, 06:00:38 PM
However.......

there is this:

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/GM-Powerglide-Male-Coupler-Long-Suit-27-Spline-/321930361862?hash=item4af48b7c06:g:BMcAAOSwaNBUjogS

that would get us there.... and being click and collect from Woolies we could get some "milk" while we're there :cheers:


But, I can't seem to find what we'd need at the other end......
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on April 11, 2016, 07:31:27 PM
I had B&J custom build me some Greek couplers for my 7.5 10 bolts in the liner so they are set up to do them now.
Ok, I just called Mike to check & the longest 32 spline TH400 coupler he makes is 7" total length & they are $120 each, part # B&J-80. The custom 7.5 10 bolt female are $150 each & they are a no mod bolt up. Part number B&J-SID.
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: awelker on April 11, 2016, 10:59:57 PM
I used Mark Williams couplers when I switched to a new transmission. Good selection of applications plus you get blanks you can modify as you need. They also have the components to make up short driveshafts with the same gear couplers.

http://www.markwilliams.com/driveshaftSolid.aspx?CategoryID=207 (http://www.markwilliams.com/driveshaftSolid.aspx?CategoryID=207)

- Andy
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on April 12, 2016, 02:28:41 AM
Boom!

I'm comin' back here, you blokes are real helpful.....


No, seriously that was great, that will make all the difference if we can use a coupler, it may give us as much as four inches. :-D :-D :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on April 12, 2016, 02:30:21 AM
......and the part# is priceless. :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on April 12, 2016, 10:40:36 AM
Yeah I'm a priceless kinda guy.......oh hang on......I mean without much money. :-P
I have both of those parts here, although I'm not using them in the same configuration but if you decide to go that way I can get you the total distance out from the diff housing so you can keep building without parts in hand.
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on April 20, 2016, 04:26:31 AM
It's 260mm from the rear plate of our box(which is the end point of the female spline) to the face on the pinion. Can you measure the pairs you have Sid? Even if we can save 75mm it'd be good.

In other news I did a clean up jobon the engine bay which makes it approachable now, it looked like the engine bay of something that had done 300,000miles without a wash...............
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on April 20, 2016, 05:38:56 PM
Ok Mate, here's what I came up with.
Due to the fact I don't have your pinion yoke I'm using the distance from the front of the diff housing to the rear of the trans tail housing. This will always be constant no matter what the pinion depth is plus I had the 10 bolt couplers done 3/8" long so they could be cut back if needed.
With B&J-SID & B&J-80E it will be 2 1/2".
With B&J-SID & B&J-80 it will be 5 3/4" or anywhere down to 2 1/2" if you want to cut down the 80 coupler, they are splined full length.
This is giving you the standard 2" of spline contact on the trans output shaft & you will use a split collar (about $8) on the trans shaft to set the end float of the 80 coupler that is a floater. You can cheat 5 3/4 out to 6 1/4 ish at both ends if you need to.
All these couplers are machinable with a tungsten bit if you need to shorten them or cut a seal surface.
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on April 21, 2016, 01:55:34 PM
Fantastic! That means even with  longest length we can lose about 3 inches, meaning we can get all the room we need it seems. Colonel, what say you?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on April 21, 2016, 07:23:06 PM
That is good news. 

I don't question you're ability to lengthen the chassis, but you've got a proven combination, and if you can get this done without having to cut and paste, you're saving time and minimizing variables.

Is the Rev in town?

Damn, dude, this is getting exiting!  :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on April 21, 2016, 11:32:01 PM
Stretching it is too much like hard work.
Hey Gogg's, I have an extra one of the long -80's that I was gunna cut down to a short. I'll sell ya that one for the price of a short & just buy a short to replace it if ya wanna go that way. Actually I could send you both ends & have another B&J-SID built to replace one of the two spares I'm having built right now so you wouldn't have to wait. He doesn't keep the B&J-SID in stock, it's a custom part.
  Sid.
 
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on April 22, 2016, 08:14:20 AM
Now is the time I send you a PM :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Speed Limit 1000 on April 22, 2016, 12:13:30 PM
Dr.

Try to strike while the iron is hot :cheers:

Johnboy
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on April 22, 2016, 12:45:37 PM
Johnboy, sounds like I'm shipping to you, give me your address on Walton's Mountain.
  Sid on Walton's Mountain Idaho. :-)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on April 22, 2016, 03:53:47 PM
A lot happening here. PMs back and forward, people doing stuff for us Stateside, the generosity is a little humbling.

I also have Hotnuts looking at a guitar for me in Portland.....

Today Hedgash arrives, The Colonel is going to cme over and Pete Quick...Lancefield is turning on a freezer.to great the its 5.45am and I can hear the wind and its bloody cold inside....the shed will be frigid..

Should be able to thrash a bit of stuff.out today about how were going to wrangle this beast...photos of the jolly get together later, :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on April 23, 2016, 09:58:21 AM
Johnboy's not planning his shipping until late June. Send me an address, maybe Graham's work so somebody will be there during the day.
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on April 26, 2016, 04:54:34 AM
You heard him Colonel.

We had our first SOS get together in several years. It wasn't all bad, actually none of it was bad.

we're pretty sure we need to change the lower frame rails in the tank in order to accommodate the sump. We have agreement about the fate of the exhaust or at least where it exits the body.....we can do this.


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Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on April 26, 2016, 11:25:52 PM
Actually the state of the exhaust is not quite resolved! Ideally if possible it would still be good to have it out the end if shapes permit. But if not possible we can pop out the side and utilise the old exhaust point as the extra parachute location for complying with rules for travelling over 250mph.

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on April 27, 2016, 03:18:24 AM
Actually the state of the exhaust is not quite resolved! Ideally if possible it would still be good to have it out the end if shapes permit. But if not possible we can pop out the side and utilise the old exhaust point as the extra parachute location for complying with rules for travelling over 250mph.



precisely, but that's how we all feel, and as such the issue is resolved, far more so than when we were building the car.

You left your toiletries bag at my place. :roll:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on May 02, 2016, 06:11:50 PM
so , amongst other things we are looking for a chev pattern scattersheild if anyone has one that they might be using as a doorstop
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: salt27 on May 02, 2016, 07:13:24 PM
so , amongst other things we are looking for a chev pattern scattersheild if anyone has one that they might be using as a doorstop
G

Got one but the shipping would probably be staggering.

  Don
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on May 02, 2016, 07:17:46 PM
I did the rounds of everybody I know around here & came up empty, those things are becoming dynosaur fossils!
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: salt27 on May 02, 2016, 07:48:21 PM
Sid, do you have a shipment heading down there?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: salt27 on May 02, 2016, 08:39:00 PM
Grumm, what flywheel and clutch are you planning on using?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on May 03, 2016, 01:48:23 AM
Sid, do you have a shipment heading down there?
No haven't arranged anything, was waiting to see what was going to happen with the scattershield thing.
I'm donating the Greek couplers so they can hook up their junk to the 10 bolt. There was talk of "Johnboy" having a shipment going from Colorado to Sydney & piggy backing with that but nothing organised yet.
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on May 03, 2016, 05:00:20 AM
Grumm, what flywheel and clutch are you planning on using?

depends who you talk to
I would like to use a multi plate clutch but I'll see how our budget looks
the only consideration for the flywheel at this stage is that it's steel
I will have to have a further look thru the reciepts and see if it indicates anything
so I don't know if its 153 or 168 yet or if it's internal or external balance
Also I need to check the pattern on the crank and see if it's got one offset bolt
In the middle of which, I am renovating my house. I'm not much of a house renovating type guy
What I need is Goggles and Hotnuts here. I'll supply the beer
Those guys are always doing stuff with timber
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on May 11, 2016, 07:25:45 PM
Grumm, what flywheel and clutch are you planning on using?

depends who you talk to
I would like to use a multi plate clutch but I'll see how our budget looks
the only consideration for the flywheel at this stage is that it's steel
I will have to have a further look thru the reciepts and see if it indicates anything
so I don't know if its 153 or 168 yet or if it's internal or external balance
Also I need to check the pattern on the crank and see if it's got one offset bolt
In the middle of which, I am renovating my house. I'm not much of a house renovating type guy
What I need is Goggles and Hotnuts here. I'll supply the beer
Those guys are always doing stuff with timber
G


Happy to help although some of my solutions can be a little "agricultural"............

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Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on May 11, 2016, 10:35:32 PM
Holy $hit Goggs, what year is it down there? :-D
Grumm, can you go back to the sauce of the engine to get the info you need?
Considering the load or lack of it, you might not want to complicate things with a multi disc. 
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on May 12, 2016, 05:56:10 PM
You may see I have a set of ancient floor dogs behind that arrangement there, up against the wall there aren't many ways of cramping the boards, that method there works pretty well......... back to our usual programming......
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Geo on May 12, 2016, 10:13:25 PM
Love you are all back and working with that extraordinary engine.  Looking forward to the build and run.

Now about the carpentry... Using snow as insulation is not a good idea no matter how hot it gets. And using the floor to move the wall is inefficient no matter how many levers you daisy chain together. Let me know if you need help, I have a BFH here somewhere.

Geo
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on May 13, 2016, 12:16:54 AM

Happy to help although some of my solutions can be a little "agricultural"............

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/Mattock%20floorboards_zpsiohitclf.jpg)

Okay, I've built a Soapbox Derby car, managed and maintained an apartment building, bought, remodeled and flipped a house during the worst downward spiral of the US housing market since the Great Depression, have been involved in countless home repair schemes - for pity's sake, I work on MGs - but I am absolutely flummoxed as to what on earth you are trying to accomplish with this Rube Goldgerg arrangement of implements. 
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on May 13, 2016, 12:22:23 AM
Wait - I just figured it out.

You're doing it wrong.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on May 13, 2016, 04:54:23 AM
you people have no idea. :roll:

I am laying reclaimed floorboards

A short end, close to the wall can't be cramped up, thus it'll leave an uneven gap ......what you're looking at there is a small piece of board used as a spacer, another piece behind the mattock (against the wall) the bottle jack is pumped up just enough to cramp those last two boards up, getting an even result.....


doesn't matter...............
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Geo on May 13, 2016, 08:00:10 AM
doesn't matter...............

Apparently not as you do not have the chain hooked up.  Oh well, you have almost made it out the door. Wait, have you only begun  :-o  :?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: salt27 on May 13, 2016, 08:00:41 AM
Goggs, I knew what you were doing.   :wink:

I should be home in a couple of weeks and will send a picture of a scatter shield if you are still in the hunt.

  Don
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on May 13, 2016, 06:18:12 PM
Don, the voice of reason.

Put it in that Corvette and ship the whole thing over here, that's your retirement taken care of.

Now, the rest of you...

Next you people will people will be telling me to secret nail. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: salt27 on May 13, 2016, 07:56:45 PM
Don, the voice of reason.

Put it in that Corvette and ship the whole thing over here, that's your retirement taken care of.

Yeah, but then what will you use to fill in the void between the block and tranny in the SOS?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on May 13, 2016, 09:46:38 PM
Don, the voice of reason.

Put it in that Corvette and ship the whole thing over here, that's your retirement taken care of.

Yeah, but then what will you use to fill in the void between the block and tranny in the SOS?

I meant in the trunk.

Holy $hit Goggs, what year is it down there? :-D
Grumm, can you go back to the sauce of the engine to get the info you need?
Considering the load or lack of it, you might not want to complicate things with a multi disc. 
  Sid.

Speaking of agricultural. I tired of borrowing the FIL's mulcher ( almost as fast as he did) and I'd seen one at a rust shop beside the highway, not any old one but the exact same model he had which is actually a good design, as opposed to most of them that make noise, smoke, propel items at dangerous speed and then jam, in that order. It was cheap, upon closer examination it had no compression, a suspected stuck valve,

"OK, $130"

So I bought it..... how hard could it be.

Milwaukee's finest, cutting edge flat head incorporating a plastic toothed governor..........I took the head off, turned it over, the valves seemed to work fine but I could help but notice the significant dwell-time of the piston.

I can't impress upon you any more forcefully my lack of interest in dismantling small engines, my favorite way of changing the plug in the mower is going to the shop and buying a new mower. I have about a million things I have to do, why I started doing this? I don't know....... :|

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Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: tauruck on May 14, 2016, 11:22:35 AM
The last time I saw something like that was when my brother and his friend filled the mower with methanol and a race plug to get a laugh.
The gardener bolted and we never saw him again. :-D :-D :-D :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on May 14, 2016, 12:33:20 PM
Goggs said:   "...the significant dwell-time of the piston."

How elegantly stated.  Did you, in a previous incarnation, perhaps write ad copy? :roll:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on May 14, 2016, 03:34:04 PM

Milwaukee's finest, cutting edge flat head incorporating a plastic toothed governor..........I took the head off, turned it over, the valves seemed to work fine but I could help but notice the significant dwell-time of the piston.

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/Briggs%20and%20Stratton_zpshyakaifm.jpg)

Rod to stroke ratio of 1:∞.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on May 14, 2016, 06:46:44 PM
Goggs said:   "...the significant dwell-time of the piston."

How elegantly stated.  Did you, in a previous incarnation, perhaps write ad copy? :roll:

Indeed my friend I did not. :roll:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on May 16, 2016, 08:59:06 AM
prolly not much different than ----writing songs
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on May 17, 2016, 06:02:06 PM
Looks like the inside of a bike at work
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on May 17, 2016, 06:43:55 PM
Why, do you commonly find an undamaged rod bolt hiding in the corner of the crankcase?

My diagnosis was that someone put a piston in it and didn't do one of the rod bolts up properly, it came out and it all went downhill from there. Thing is, with a mulcher they regularly stop in a hurry after some sort of clattering crunching racket.....
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Freud on May 20, 2016, 10:53:48 PM
This is my first time, between posting cats and hikers on Facebook,

to have read 4 or 5 pages in one sitting. My reading retention has

slipped drastically. I understood the works related to Greek couplers

because they were used in several different applications in Treit's

streamliner. Other than varied separations of the floor boards

none of it made sense. So I'll check out  and go back to converting

Kepner's drag race info from MPH to Metrics Per Hour. I'm secure

doing that because few of the readers, on the Green side, take the

time to check the math. If I error it is always to make the metric

number slightly larger than the conversion factor generates. The

only problem is that the car can never achieve the same number

that I present when it goes to their racing venue. 

This is my contribution to a already confused situation.

FREUD
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on May 22, 2016, 09:59:54 PM
That was the most sensible thing anyone has posted here for some time.

So, the Chev, it turns out is a little longer than the Buick because of the front set arrangement and dry sump pump. So we'd like to find some room, the Greek coupler will give us that. We need a new bellhousing, and flywheel. A lakewood will take care of the bellhousing and scattershield requirements.

We need to get the motor up to our dyno guy where we'll get going on the program to get it and the engine management happening...

I have to do some slight changes to the frame.

I have to mount the engine plate....

there you have it. Now, back to the cats and flowers Freud.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on May 23, 2016, 02:30:33 AM
So whats the plan here M8? Are we doing a piggy back with Johnboy's stuff to Sydney....somebody had a scattershield a few posts back...??
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: salt27 on May 23, 2016, 03:34:59 AM
So whats the plan here M8? Are we doing a piggy back with Johnboy's stuff to Sydney....somebody had a scattershield a few posts back...??
  Sid.

I got the scatter shield.
we are spread from Colorado, Idaho and Oregon.
Lets get a plan together.

  Don
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on May 23, 2016, 05:59:07 PM
So whats the plan here M8? Are we doing a piggy back with Johnboy's stuff to Sydney....somebody had a scattershield a few posts back...??
  Sid.

Grumm? got an address?

If you guys can tell us what the freight is to get it to Kentucky we'll front the spondoolies.

Guys who live in wooden houses. :roll:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on May 23, 2016, 06:18:02 PM
If it's going to Kentucky or Colorado or anywhere else here in Usa, I'll spring for the couplers & the freight to there.
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: salt27 on May 24, 2016, 12:42:52 AM
If it's going to Kentucky or Colorado or anywhere else here in Usa, I'll spring for the couplers & the freight to there.
  Sid.

Like wise with the scatter shield.  

The scatter shield with the block plate bolted to it might make a good shipping container.

Would the couplers fit inside?

What's Johnboy shipping?

 Don
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on May 24, 2016, 10:43:38 AM
Yeah, they'll fit.
I have an address for Johnboy, I just need a destination decision. :?
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on May 24, 2016, 06:19:33 PM
I reckon best if it all goes to Johnboy's, they were sending the beer machine to Sydney in June or July, we can get it put on a truck from there. Even a rough estimate on 60lbs 15x15x10 inch us to Aus was over $350USD from USPS...

Grumm, are you still  breathing?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on May 24, 2016, 06:57:35 PM
Yeah I know shipping to there is killer. How the hell are we supposed to build cheap $hit!  :-P 
I'll send the Greek's to Johnboy over yonder on Walton's Mountain tomorrow, let him know they're cummin.
I'll pm Don with the address.
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on May 24, 2016, 07:01:10 PM
Thanks Sid... :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on May 24, 2016, 07:06:57 PM
What was the story on the flywheel, did you get to the bottom of that?
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: salt27 on May 24, 2016, 07:20:13 PM
Grumm, Goggs, do you use a manual or hydraulic clutch release?

What kind of throw out bearing arm?

 Don
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: stay`tee on May 24, 2016, 07:34:53 PM
James, I have used a shipping company from the Sunshine coast called "Californian Image" (calimage.com.au), thay have a base in LA and offer reasonable rates, maybe give 'em a call for a quote,  :-)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on May 25, 2016, 04:51:48 PM
Greek Couplers shipped to Johnboy today.
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on May 26, 2016, 04:43:24 PM
James, I have used a shipping company from the Sunshine coast called "Californian Image" (calimage.com.au), thay have a base in LA and offer reasonable rates, maybe give 'em a call for a quote,  :-)

Thanks Ronnie
Greek Couplers shipped to Johnboy today.
  Sid.


Cheers Sidney.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on May 26, 2016, 11:48:20 PM
Hey smartarse......I mean Gogg's, I meant to ask, do you have a collapsible or solid spacer in your pinion bearings?
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on May 27, 2016, 01:38:00 AM
Hey smartarse......I mean Gogg's, I meant to ask, do you have a collapsible or solid spacer in your pinion bearings?
  Sid.

Yes

Grumm, Goggs, do you use a manual or hydraulic clutch release?

What kind of throw out bearing arm?

 Don

Hydraulic


Grumm, are you still  breathing?

Breathing pure plaster dust

G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on May 27, 2016, 06:40:31 AM
Hey smartarse......I mean Gogg's, I meant to ask, do you have a collapsible or solid spacer in your pinion bearings?
  Sid.

Yes

He right you know.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on May 27, 2016, 09:21:28 AM
He the brains you the looks right? :-o
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on May 29, 2016, 04:16:26 AM
I guess you got that, not everyone can be both like you Sid.


G has a little bit on just the last few days, once he has a chat to our dyno guy we may be able to shed a little light on the flywheel situation.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: salt27 on May 29, 2016, 08:51:31 AM
Goggs, Grumm, The scatter shield is boxed up, I just need to drive to Roseburg to get it shipped.

I'll try for Wednesday.

 Don

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on May 29, 2016, 08:59:17 PM
Thanks Don
 :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on May 29, 2016, 11:28:36 PM
I guess you got that, not everyone can be both like you Sid.


G has a little bit on just the last few days, once he has a chat to our dyno guy we may be able to shed a little light on the flywheel situation.
I try not to look in the mirror, there's always some old fart in there! :-o
There's some odd combos in the 4.3 cranks but you should be able to get info from Duttweiler on what you have.
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on May 30, 2016, 06:38:51 AM

There's some odd combos in the 4.3 cranks but you should be able to get info from Duttweiler on what you have.
  Sid.

If the flywheel was an odd thing it wouldn't have made sense to take it off as I wouldn't have thought it would be much use for anything else
It's a one piece seal on the crank and has a six bolt pattern with one bolt offset.

So I 'm going to grab a Monaro bell housing and flywheel  down from the roof
and see how the gearbox looks bolted on and see how much bigger the other box I have is
Now if some one had a Bert box lying around....
Ian Powell the dyno guy may be coming by on tuesday night for a look. to work out what how he's going to hook it up

Busy, me, yes. Between Moto Guzzi clutches and Vincent wiring looms. you could say I'm busy
I've got more work at home than at work, and then there's the home renovations.
G




Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on May 30, 2016, 03:04:44 PM
I believe the one piece seal "stock crank" uses a counter weighted flywheel but a "stock crank" in not normally what you'll find coming out of Duttweiler. I bet its got splayed bolt steel main caps & an after market crank under it. I would contact Duttweiler, they'll have records of it.
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on May 30, 2016, 05:43:33 PM
I've got an invoice for it here somewhere. No it's not stock
there is all sorts of magic in side this engine
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Interested Observer on May 30, 2016, 07:40:21 PM
Re: Crankshaft discussion
On page 326 reply 4889 of this topic, Robin cites a Moldex crank and an offer to send all the specs, in case that hasn’t already been done. 
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Speed Limit 1000 on May 31, 2016, 08:46:42 AM
Sid, Greek Couplers arrived in Denver on Sat. :cheers:

John
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stan Back on May 31, 2016, 10:59:10 AM
I was intrigued about the Greek Couplers.  So I went to greekcouplers.com.  I don't think there's room for that kind of activity in that little tank.

Stan
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on May 31, 2016, 11:11:28 AM
LOL Stan your mind is still in the gutter, just in case you haven't noticed lately. :evil:
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on May 31, 2016, 11:22:45 AM
Sid, Greek Couplers arrived in Denver on Sat. :cheers:

John
Thanks John, thanks for being part of this joint effort up here, I'm keen to see them move up into the 250 range with that sexy little bitch.
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on May 31, 2016, 04:42:55 PM
OK, so we look like a mad woman's Subaru, all over the place.... That's OK, we just aren't telegraphing punches.

Two years since we were in racing mode and it becomes kind of apparent that like a goat in rut we kind of got preoccupied with the racing bit, and ignored a lot of the other stuff.

I've steadily been repairing stuff I need to work on the car, my welder was down, compressor too, grinders and stuff.on their last legs. Both of our workshops are getting properly fitted out, and then there's our old decrepit houses....

But the momentum is building and I hear the creaks and groans of the rigging as the sails fill...now, what was that about souvlakis Jim?

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on May 31, 2016, 07:50:44 PM

 and then there's our old decrepit houses....


Yep, my place was built in 1901. I've been in since 1989. The lovely Corinne has decided that it's time to do some maintenance. More specifically, plaster that doesn't
fall off the walls one small part at a time. So plastering it is.

Ian the Dyno guy was around last night and we had a look at what we need to get it running and on his dyno
Also , after looking at the engine, with the new shad lights on while wearing my glasses, I would like to take this opportunity to withdraw any statements I may have previously  made about this engine having a one piece seal type crank. It has a flange on the end of the crank and the block has been converted to a two piece seal. Picture to follow
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: salt27 on June 01, 2016, 12:45:21 AM
JohnBoy, Scatter shield headed your way.

While at UPS I inquired about shipping to Sydney.   :-o

Lets just say I'm glad that my portion is just to Denver.

  Don
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on June 01, 2016, 01:03:18 AM
The lovely Corinne has decided that it's time to do some maintenance. More specifically, plaster that doesn't
fall off the walls one small part at a time. So plastering it is.

Ambitious girl.

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on June 01, 2016, 05:01:23 AM
JohnBoy, Scatter shield headed your way.

While at UPS I inquired about shipping to Sydney.   :-o

Lets just say I'm glad that my portion is just to Denver.

  Don

Good thing I'm not in Sydney
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on June 01, 2016, 06:35:41 AM
JohnBoy, Scatter shield headed your way.

While at UPS I inquired about shipping to Sydney.   :-o

Lets just say I'm glad that my portion is just to Denver.

  Don

Yep Don, I have been doing the little "enquiries" and if it weren't for a piggy back freight offer, this wouldn't be worth it.

$300 US plus for coast to coast.........

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Buickguy3 on June 01, 2016, 09:11:59 AM
   A friend of mine shipped two turbos, and two waste gates to Sidney. Fed Ex wanted $395 for each box. USPS shipped them for the bargain price of $190 each. Before shipping he contacted the buyer and he said that the cost was as expected. Ouch!
    Doug  :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on June 01, 2016, 10:10:29 AM
Yep, then ya add in the exchange rate & some import duty & now it just cost you an arm & a leg to get the $hit. I remember what it was like on the receiving end of all that & that's what prompted me to help the Ozzy Battlers here.
  Sid.   
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Buickguy3 on June 01, 2016, 11:02:52 AM
  I think Tauruck [Mike] said he needs 8 Mickey Thompson tires to have spares for the car he's building and said with shipping and dutys to SA it will run him $40,000. That'll bring a tear to your eye, and make your wallet weap, too.
    Doug  :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Finallygotit on June 01, 2016, 03:30:13 PM
  I think Tauruck [Mike] said he needs 8 Mickey Thompson tires to have spares for the car he's building and said with shipping and dutys to SA it will run him $40,000. That'll bring a tear to your eye, and make your wallet weap, too.
    Doug  :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

Holy shit!!!
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on June 01, 2016, 09:41:12 PM
Yep, then ya add in the exchange rate & some import duty & now it just cost you an arm & a leg to get the $hit. I remember what it was like on the receiving end of all that & that's what prompted me to help the Ozzy Battlers here.
  Sid.  

That'd be why buying Fenders which can be dismantled into below dutiable limit sized pieces are better buying than Gibsons.............

Then, there's the exchange rate. It seems many Americans can't actually grasp the concept of a floating exchange rate. When I visited the States in 2011 the exchange rate was at an all-time high and reached US$1.10 one Aussie dollar would get me $1.10, EVERYTHING seemed cheap. Right now it is .73....that means the apparent cost of everything Stateside has risen by a third.....following me here.......????

Then there is 15% duty on anything for which the total cost , all freight costs (ie: insurance)inclusive, exceeds $900AUS and they then add 10%Goods and Service Tax onto that duty.

2 2nd hand tyres+freight etc= USD 800

In 2011 $727AUS

In 2016 $1040

PLUS $156 duty+15.60GST=$171.60

$1211.60

Racing on US sourced parts got expensive these last few years :cry:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on June 01, 2016, 11:03:20 PM
Now if someone was coming this way in say, Febuary, with a really long container....
maybe we could them to put Ferd and Wayno in it to save on freight.
Incidentally, Wayno, do you still have any fiberglass P38 tank bodies left. I had an enquiry (English Spelling)
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on June 02, 2016, 07:51:01 AM
Grumm, yes I do. By the way, I have "unretired" for a while. I have accepted the position of Aviation Composites Instructor at the Lockheed Skunk Works in California. Besides being 30 miles from El Mirage (Making it possible to run all 6 events this year) and giving me a racing budget, now I can add "Skunk Trainer" to my resume'.  :cheers: Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on June 02, 2016, 08:27:23 AM
 :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: manta22 on June 02, 2016, 12:21:08 PM
A dream job in a perfect location, Wayno!  :cheers:

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on June 02, 2016, 04:58:15 PM
Grumm, yes I do. By the way, I have "unretired" for a while. I have accepted the position of Aviation Composites Instructor at the Lockheed Skunk Works in California. Besides being 30 miles from El Mirage (Making it possible to run all 6 events this year) and giving me a racing budget, now I can add "Skunk Trainer" to my resume'.  :cheers: Wayno

How's it going there? Must be a shock to the system joing a big company after a bit of pasture time, have you got your own mug?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on June 02, 2016, 06:35:39 PM
Grumm, yes I do. By the way, I have "unretired" for a while. I have accepted the position of Aviation Composites Instructor at the Lockheed Skunk Works in California. Besides being 30 miles from El Mirage (Making it possible to run all 6 events this year) and giving me a racing budget, now I can add "Skunk Trainer" to my resume'.  :cheers: Wayno

How's it going there? Must be a shock to the system joing a big company after a bit of pasture time, have you got your own mug?

And your own carpark?
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: salt27 on June 03, 2016, 09:16:39 PM
Just got a call from a guy in Denver who had a scatter shield delivered to him and it wasn't Johnboy.  :-P

I need Johnboy's contact info.  Dang it.

Thanks Don
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on June 03, 2016, 10:12:53 PM
Sent you a pm. :|
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: salt27 on June 04, 2016, 12:51:53 AM
Thanks Sid,
  I talked to Johnboy and he said he would take care of it.   :cheers:

 Don
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on June 04, 2016, 10:15:58 AM
Sorry guys, looks like I had the right street, that was my bad. Close but no cigar. :oops:
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: salt27 on June 04, 2016, 10:29:01 AM
Sorry guys, looks like I had the right street, that was my bad. Close but no cigar. :oops:
  Sid.

Let no good deed go unpunished.   :-D

 Don
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: salt27 on June 04, 2016, 11:26:16 AM
Just got a call from Johnboy, he's got the package, it was just a block away.   :cheers:

I sure appreciate the integrity of the gentleman who received it by mistake, he went the extra mile to find the owner.

Thanks to all involved, Don
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on June 06, 2016, 06:00:27 AM
Just got a call from Johnboy, he's got the package, it was just a block away.   :cheers:

I sure appreciate the integrity of the gentleman who received it by mistake, he went the extra mile to find the owner.

Thanks to all involved, Don

Hey Johnboy
Can you thank that guy from the bottom of our planet
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Speed Limit 1000 on June 06, 2016, 08:18:45 AM
 :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on June 07, 2016, 06:18:00 AM
Just got a call from Johnboy, he's got the package, it was just a block away.   :cheers:

I sure appreciate the integrity of the gentleman who received it by mistake, he went the extra mile to find the owner.

Thanks to all involved, Don

the extra 1.6 kilometres.... :roll:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: gkabbt on June 18, 2016, 08:39:22 PM

SoS crew.....Wanted to let you know that, your benefactor, Robin is at Wilmington this weekend.
I have seen her at Maxton, here in Wilmington and taken many pictures but never introduced myself to her.
I saw her at the drivers meeting this morning and did do the intro thing. After that was out of the way, I told her how COOL what she did for you guys. She was extremely modest about it and said that she had followed you guys from the beginning and admired what you have done and just wanted to be a small part of it.
The modesty really blew me away. GOOD on her and GOOD for you guys.

You can see her 1986 E/STR in my ECTA link:

https://goo.gl/photos/TABEJyz2GCF4JsoF7

Gregg
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on June 19, 2016, 05:37:16 PM
We have a decal that the Reverend designed on our car as a tribute to WH700 the Canberra bomber that our tank came from. We are just discussing at the Colonel's suggestion a similar thing of Robin's 1986.

Don't worry, we are still pinching ourselves. :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: WOODY@DDLLC on June 19, 2016, 05:40:24 PM
Let this now be known as the Robin Dripp global initiative!  :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on June 21, 2016, 07:33:52 AM
Let me say it.

With great power comes great responsibility......

We are going to get that record, it is our responsibility now.........
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on June 21, 2016, 09:12:41 AM
Let me say it.

With great power comes great responsibility......

We are going to get that record, it is our responsibility now.........

At this point, there is no doubt.

 :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on June 21, 2016, 10:40:05 AM
Is it a D or an E engine & what's the Ozzy record?
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on June 21, 2016, 05:42:05 PM


Pay attention Gyde! or I'll box yer ears!!!

E motor.

Aus record is us at 215.041

Bonneville Kelly and Hall 236.xxx ( I tried to look it up just then, the SCTA site is ^@%$^%$!)

So that's 21mph, that's a lot.....but the spreadsheets say we need 420 to 440hp to get there and we've got a little more than that. I just need to change my driving style from "trying to break the car" to something a little more along the lines of "lets get this thing over the line".........
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on June 21, 2016, 05:43:10 PM
Let me say it.

With great power comes great responsibility......

We are going to get that record, it is our responsibility now.........

At this point, there is no doubt.

 :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:

....as a point of comprehension I couldn't agree more. :dhorse:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on June 21, 2016, 09:13:53 PM


Pay attention Gyde! or I'll box yer ears!!!

E motor.

Aus record is us at 215.041

Bonneville Kelly and Hall 236.xxx ( I tried to look it up just then, the SCTA site is ^@%$^%$!)

So that's 21mph, that's a lot.....but the spreadsheets say we need 420 to 440hp to get there and we've got a little more than that. I just need to change my driving style from "trying to break the car" to something a little more along the lines of "lets get this thing over the line".........
LMAO!  :dhorse: I don't commit too much to memory, wots yer name again!! :?
  Squid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on June 22, 2016, 06:53:51 PM
I.m not surprised, at your age
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on June 23, 2016, 01:00:37 AM
Goggs got me by one. :-P
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on July 14, 2016, 07:24:38 AM

Bonneville Kelly and Hall 236.xxx ( I tried to look it up just then, the SCTA site is ^@%$^%$!)


Kelly and Hall record is 236.431 mph (380.5 kph).

I think we should be targeting a nice round number like 248.548mph (400kph)

RevH+
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on July 14, 2016, 11:03:22 AM
Bonneville record is 276.
You might want to look at cleaning up some drag. You could go to a skinny wheel n tire (tyre 4 U) combo on the front, there's MPH to be had there plus cleaning up the air on the back side of the axles.
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on July 14, 2016, 11:57:41 AM
Bonneville record is 276.
You might want to look at cleaning up some drag. You could go to a skinny wheel n tire (tyre 4 U) combo on the front, there's MPH to be had there plus cleaning up the air on the back side of the axles.
  Sid.
Sid, are you trying to scare them... its 236... what book are you reading....
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on July 14, 2016, 04:27:17 PM
Bonneville C/GL record.
Original Fast Guys II
Aug 2011 E Shadle 276.786

How old is your book? :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: BHR301 on July 14, 2016, 05:39:45 PM
I thought the they were running in class E not C and class E/GL would be 236....

Bill
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Finallygotit on July 14, 2016, 07:37:49 PM


Pay attention Gyde! or I'll box yer ears!!!

E motor.

Aus record is us at 215.041

Bonneville Kelly and Hall 236.xxx ( I tried to look it up just then, the SCTA site is ^@%$^%$!)

So that's 21mph, that's a lot.....but the spreadsheets say we need 420 to 440hp to get there and we've got a little more than that. I just need to change my driving style from "trying to break the car" to something a little more along the lines of "lets get this thing over the line".........

As you can see "E".  :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on July 14, 2016, 10:50:52 PM
Guess I really wasn't paying attention, just carry on without me. :|
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on July 15, 2016, 12:49:31 AM
Guess I really wasn't paying attention, just carry on without me. :|
  Sid.

Sure
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on July 23, 2016, 03:25:31 AM
Hi All,

A local photographer from Melbourne Marcus Thomson is looking for a room, a bunk, something closer than SLC for Speedweek, he's just registered here as Sparkythomson.

Check out his work and let us know if you know, anyone who knows where he might lay his head.

Pics here....

www.marcusthomson.com.au (http://www.marcusthomson.com.au)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on July 23, 2016, 03:31:21 AM
Wayno, he's a harp player :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on July 23, 2016, 11:02:12 AM
We sleep out until Sun. or Mon.--untill the room rates drop
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on July 23, 2016, 04:18:34 PM
I've given him a few of those tips..... Wouldn't mind being there myself..,.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on July 23, 2016, 06:06:56 PM
You have salt, I'd trade ya! 8-)
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on July 23, 2016, 06:48:51 PM
Got a spare bunk in the 'bago Sid?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: bones on July 23, 2016, 07:30:30 PM
I've given him a few of those tips..... Wouldn't mind being there myself..,.
Its easy Doc---  hop on a plane  :-)

Any pics of the new engine in the car??

    Bones
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on July 23, 2016, 10:45:14 PM
Got a spare bunk in the 'bago Sid?
Still have the same sun-burnt conversion van, it'll pack a few around but it only has one bed. He can chuck a tent up on the mountain where we set up camp. Steve sets up a shower stall so you can shower with a hang bag. That's hang bag not hand bag! :-D
  Sid. 
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: wobblywalrus on July 24, 2016, 01:56:09 AM
You can also take a shower in the trucker's facilities behind the Salt Flats cafe.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: salt27 on July 24, 2016, 03:13:03 AM
Or he can use our 3 gallon solar heated, J-handled garden sprayer shower.   :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on July 24, 2016, 08:17:38 AM
Gee Don, if you'd had a shower set up the last time I saw you at Speed week then you must have had a dead cat up your shirt, I thought you just smelled as if you did. :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on July 24, 2016, 09:21:50 AM
James, I've gotta ask -- are we now privy to an Aussie phrase hitherto unknown in the civilised northern portion of the world?

"Dead cat up your shirt" -- what a fine turn of the phrase, and the visual I've got running through my head -- on the way out of it, by the way, is very nasty.

GREAT STUFF, gentlemen! :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: salt27 on July 24, 2016, 11:15:30 AM
Gee Don, if you'd had a shower set up the last time I saw you at Speed week then you must have had a dead cat up your shirt, I thought you just smelled as if you did. :-D

James, no dead cat (they are too scratchy), it was a possum.   :wink:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on July 25, 2016, 05:22:37 AM

Any pics of the new engine in the car??

    Bones

You're funny



James, no dead cat (they are too scratchy), it was a possum.   :wink:

He wouldn't have thought of a possum, as they are a protected species in Australia

G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: salt27 on July 25, 2016, 08:48:30 AM



James, no dead cat (they are too scratchy), it was a possum.   :wink:

He wouldn't have thought of a possum, as they are a protected species in Australia

G

And that is why I was hiding it under my shirt.

It's totally logical if you think it thru.    :roll:

 Don
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on July 25, 2016, 11:04:25 AM
But wait a minnit, Don,  If you were ostensibly trying to protect it -- wouldn't having it underneath your shirt and right next to your nekkid bare skin be a health hazard to it?  How the heck is that gonna protect any danged thing?

Please - tell, don't show, us.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on July 25, 2016, 11:12:21 AM
Come on, everybody knows possums don't care for sunlight... they are nocturnal.  Keep up the good work Don, the Possum In Shirt Society will OFFer their support.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on July 25, 2016, 11:15:09 AM
Yo, Stainless.  You musta majored in criptology in 4th grade.  Pretty good!
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on July 25, 2016, 11:19:12 AM
Acronyms were part of my military Super High Intensity Training
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: tauruck on August 04, 2016, 10:04:25 AM
That poor Possum and the English language!. :-D

Here we use honey badgers. :wink:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: salt27 on August 04, 2016, 10:57:34 AM
Here we use honey badgers. :wink:

If I found a cobra in my shop, I would use a honey badger too!   :-o
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on September 02, 2016, 05:04:11 PM
OK we got the Lakewood and the Greek coupler from Don and Sid.

Good news is they'll save us nearly six inches. That is what we needed although it will also means the heads will definitely intercept the body line. The less good news is that there's a little more slop in in the output shaft fit up than we're comfortable with, our box has the same 27 spline shaft as the 10 bolt pinion, the Greek is Turbo 400 size...they weren't meant to be lovers......

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on September 03, 2016, 12:05:38 AM
I just checked out my stuff here for size & you're saying your trans is the same spline as the 10 bolt pinion so this is what I'd do if you're set on keeping your Holden trans. Assuming your yoke is steel & not cast iron, wack the end off it, take it to a machinist & get it splined on the outside to a tight fit in the Greek coupler & press it in.
The outside I can't advise on until I see what you have so show me some pics of your rear housing & shaft Mate.
  Sid. 
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on September 03, 2016, 01:14:38 AM
 :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on September 03, 2016, 06:12:52 PM
That was the first thing I thought, just not sure that there is enough material....working on it.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: salt27 on September 03, 2016, 08:32:55 PM
OK we got the Lakewood and the Greek coupler from Don and Sid.

Was the little red twin engine tank still in the scatter shield?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on September 03, 2016, 09:10:48 PM
Yes, Grumm is just measuring up, we should be getting started on that soon :roll:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: salt27 on September 03, 2016, 10:30:58 PM
Yes, Grumm is just measuring up, we should be getting started on that soon :roll:

Hey, it was for inspiration.

If two V-8 engines can fit into a tank that small, one V-6 should be a piece of cake.   :evil:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on September 03, 2016, 11:18:53 PM
That was the first thing I thought, just not sure that there is enough material....working on it.

IMHO there's enough meat but I would get it heat treated before shoving it up the Greek, it's probably pretty soft right now.
What's the rear housing & what's your trans so I can Google it to see? I originally thought you had a Muncie.
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: salt27 on September 04, 2016, 11:39:56 AM
Sid,
     Pages 196-198 have a bit of info on their tranny build.
Maybe somewhere else too but I got tired of lookin.  
  
 Don
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on September 04, 2016, 02:02:45 PM
Yeah, I don't have the time to hunt it down either, there's a lot of gum flapping to dig through back there.
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on September 04, 2016, 09:46:14 PM
Gum flapping...... :cheers:

not me I might add. :wink:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on September 12, 2016, 04:57:27 AM
Yeah, I don't have the time to hunt it down either, there's a lot of gum flapping to dig through back there.
  Sid.

I've been told I talk too much

G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: fordboy628 on September 13, 2016, 08:00:44 AM
Yeah, I don't have the time to hunt it down either, there's a lot of gum flapping to dig through back there.
  Sid.

I've been told I talk too much

G

By whom?

 :cheers:
F/B
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on September 13, 2016, 08:08:49 PM
Yeah, I don't have the time to hunt it down either, there's a lot of gum flapping to dig through back there.
  Sid.

I've been told I talk too much

G

By whom?

 :cheers:
F/B


Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: wobblywalrus on September 28, 2016, 03:06:01 AM
Just read a e-mail from Adelaide where Gretchen is staying.  It is pretty rough there with a category 2 cyclone.  Hopefully all of you and the belly tank are safe.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: maj on September 28, 2016, 05:38:27 AM
Expecting it here in the early hours  ,
sounds like they got hit good with no power back on for quite a few hours yet ,
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: tauruck on September 28, 2016, 06:25:05 AM
Best wishes and safety for you all. :cheers:

Mike.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on September 28, 2016, 08:09:34 AM
The less good news is that there's a little more slop in in the output shaft fit up than we're comfortable with, our box has the same 27 spline shaft as the 10 bolt pinion, the Greek is Turbo 400 size...they weren't meant to be lovers......



Did you ever notice that mating up this tuff is akin to putting on a puppet show with marionettes actuated by rubber bands?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on September 28, 2016, 10:24:40 AM
Comments on Greek Couplers as lovers----I bought a non-broached one from Mark Williams broached it sent it back to them for heat treatment--no extra cost other than the shipping all 3 ways.  I don't know about the kissing part but they mate up just fine!  :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on September 28, 2016, 12:34:22 PM
It's unusual to have a big Cyclone build in the southern ocean like that, looks like the eye is headed right at Adelaide, hang on to your hats guys!! It's likely to pull a lot of rain up to Lake Gairdner too.
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: salt27 on October 15, 2016, 01:26:38 PM
It's been awfully quiet on this thread.

I suspect the work on the Spirit of Sunshine is so intense that there is no time for posting.    :roll:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stan Back on October 15, 2016, 06:02:52 PM
I hear they've been partying again . . .

www.youtube.com/watch?v=76LbvnoIDkE
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: wheelrdealer on October 15, 2016, 07:26:58 PM
Stan:

That's a master piece!
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stan Back on October 15, 2016, 08:04:07 PM
Don't blame me -- I got it from them.

(Only thing on my desktop.  If I get down, I give it a play.)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on October 17, 2016, 07:10:33 AM
Don't blame me -- I got it from them.

(Only thing on my desktop.  If I get down, I give it a play.)

Ha! I was having a beer with Nicky the guitar player just a week ago, lovely fella, all good people there. Graham Thomas the bass player ain't well though. It's a great song, Mark Ferrie has been in the house band of a very successful live TV show Rock Whiz for years now. He plays a bass made by my pal and neighbour Anthony at Harvester Guitars (Harvester as in Sunshine Harvester, like Spirit of Sunshine)....the world ain't that big....
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on October 17, 2016, 07:11:38 AM
It's been awfully quiet on this thread.

I suspect the work on the Spirit of Sunshine is so intense that there is no time for posting.    :roll:

We are getting somewhere....

I need to stay away from here until you guys decide who you're having as your next President, OK, I'm gone........
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on October 17, 2016, 07:14:20 AM
It's unusual to have a big Cyclone build in the southern ocean like that, looks like the eye is headed right at Adelaide, hang on to your hats guys!! It's likely to pull a lot of rain up to Lake Gairdner too.
  Sid.


It has rained, and rained, and rained. I've seen more rain but I don't remember it ever raining so persistently.

If Gairdner.has had a "wash-on" like 06 it'll be buggered for a few years.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on October 17, 2016, 04:14:05 PM
It's been awfully quiet on this thread.

I suspect the work on the Spirit of Sunshine is so intense that there is no time for posting.    :roll:

We are getting somewhere....

I need to stay away from here until you guys decide who you're having as your next President, OK, I'm gone........

Like it really matters who's running this thing, it's like shoving a new set of points in a bad engine, it might sound a little different but it still needs an engine.
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: twodear on October 18, 2016, 03:23:07 AM
I saw this somewhere and kept a copy of it because it is so relevant to politicians and politics in general.

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on October 18, 2016, 03:44:55 AM
I saw this somewhere and kept a copy of it because it is so relevant to politicians and politics in general.




A couple of years ago when I was in the USA, Australia had just held elections. and they were close. for the whole three weeks I was in the USA they hadn't finished counting
In the end Juilia Gillard's Labour Party (left side of politics)( and yes, that's how we spell Labor here)  formed a minority government and ousted Tony Abbott's Liberal party (right wing guys)
the disappointing thing for me was that Peter Costello had just retired and wouldn't be running in Tony Abbott's Liberal party.
I hope you can all see where this is going

Now ask me about my God parents


Anyway, I was hoping to sell a whole lot of junk I had on ebay to help with finance going forward
So I Guess I'll be heading to the tip (dump) with a whole lot of stuff, although the Offenhouser manifold may go on the garage wall

G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: wobblywalrus on October 18, 2016, 09:42:11 AM
Grumm, some car clubs have swap meets.  Set up your parts pile there and put a sign up saying "everything free after 3:00"  It helps boost sales.  Also, it is a guarantee you will go home without the junk, most of the time.   
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: salt27 on October 18, 2016, 10:38:19 AM
Now ask me about my God parents


Anyway, I was hoping to sell a whole lot of junk I had on ebay to help with finance going forward
So I Guess I'll be heading to the tip (dump) with a whole lot of stuff, although the Offenhouser manifold may go on the garage wall

G


Grumm, About your God Parents?

Don't haul that stuff away, I hear Goggs has a new shop that needs decorated.    :evil:

  Don
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on October 18, 2016, 11:20:33 AM
I think you should just hitchhike across the galaxy... what you south Texans call walkabout  :-D  :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on October 18, 2016, 11:37:17 AM
In a sense of serving a potentially cornfused viewing public, I'll ask right now:

Is there anyone here that isn't familiar with Douglas Adam's "HitchHiker's Guide to the Galaxy"?


If so you're best advised to either ignore all references to Improbability Drive, a drink called a Pan Galactic Gargle Blaster, and simpering robots. . . or read the five volume trilogy.

Back to the Australians...
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: twodear on October 18, 2016, 04:44:44 PM
Great, now that you've said there is a fifth volume, I'll have to read that too.

Edit: there are actually six novels in this trilogy...
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on October 18, 2016, 05:13:52 PM
So tell me -- if there's a sixth - what is it?  I presume it comes after Young Zaphod Play it Safe?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: twodear on October 21, 2016, 01:30:07 AM
Never mind, there is only five. What I thought was the sixth was something else altogether.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: WhizzbangK.C. on October 21, 2016, 09:32:13 AM
Never mind, there is only five. What I thought was the sixth was something else altogether.


There is a sixth, though not written by Douglas Adams, it is an official part of the series authorized by Adams' estate. Called "And Another Thing".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_Another_Thing..._(novel)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on October 21, 2016, 11:43:10 AM
This build diary has more gum-flapping than the chat-line.
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on October 21, 2016, 03:22:34 PM
ROTFLMAO
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: salt27 on November 03, 2016, 01:33:03 PM
Hey Goggs, we were able to stream you in live on the radio the other night, well done.   :cheers:

  Don
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on December 08, 2016, 05:27:41 PM
Quiet here
things are moving in Lancfield
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on December 11, 2016, 10:50:52 PM
Indeed. The tank has been moved to the Colonel's. Hope everyone is well. :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on December 14, 2016, 04:27:03 AM
Took the Monaro out of the garage and put the tank in
So much space
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on December 14, 2016, 04:34:16 AM
So, is it finished yet?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: rgdavid on December 14, 2016, 06:14:31 AM
Why the move ?
Has the goggles labratory of speed shed been converted into a music studio ?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on December 14, 2016, 08:11:50 AM
So, is it finished yet?
I didn't know he was rebuilding the Monaro . . .
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on December 15, 2016, 12:50:30 AM
Na, the fitting in bit we have decided will be achieved better in Preston, that out of town at my joint...and no, I just bought a big dust-extractor so that timber working/steel working and auto-body work can happily coexist
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on December 15, 2016, 08:24:35 PM
I didn't know he was rebuilding the Monaro . . .

There's a plan
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on December 16, 2016, 03:30:28 AM
Moving on
the tank is at my place to work out how we are going to setup the new engine.
however the first thing I have to do is setup a new work stand with wheels
I have to make a ring for the gearbox/scattershield so I can re drill the scattershield for the gearbox
I have an oil tank for the dry sump but at 5 liters it may be a bit small
and I think we need a twin plate clutch
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on December 16, 2016, 08:29:01 AM
Maybe I can get Jon Amo to smuggle one into "the big island" when he goes back in January. 
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: salt27 on December 16, 2016, 11:23:52 AM
I have to make a ring for the gearbox/scattershield so I can re drill the scattershield for the gearbox
G


What bolt pattern does your tranny have?

D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on December 16, 2016, 05:11:15 PM
I have to make a ring for the gearbox/scattershield so I can re drill the scattershield for the gearbox
G


What bolt pattern does your tranny have?

D

The wrong one
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: salt27 on December 16, 2016, 05:19:01 PM
I have to make a ring for the gearbox/scattershield so I can re drill the scattershield for the gearbox
G


What bolt pattern does your tranny have?

D

The wrong one


G


I would have thought that shield had all bases covered since it has both Ford and Chevy patterns.

Dang!
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on December 16, 2016, 06:40:10 PM


I would have thought that shield had all bases covered since it has both Ford and Chevy patterns.

Dang!

Yep. I would've thought so too. However the box we are using is out of a Holden.
A short powerglide would be so much simpler.

G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on December 16, 2016, 09:25:21 PM
A powerglide might be a little short on gears for an engine that you'll likely need to keep on the boil, that coupler I sent you will fit a 400.
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: dw230 on December 16, 2016, 10:30:07 PM
Jumping off topic here -

I will be with our small wine group to OZ in 04/18. Our cruise chic is an employee of Qantas, hoping for better than steerage. I have talked with the lovely Kim Kregs about her area. Looking forward to making contacts at Speed Week 2017 for this trip.

DW
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on December 17, 2016, 01:44:16 AM
A powerglide might be a little short on gears for an engine that you'll likely need to keep on the boil, that coupler I sent you will fit a 400.
  Sid.

Yep, but a 400 wont fit in the car

Jumping off topic here -

I will be with our small wine group to OZ in 04/18. Our cruise chic is an employee of Qantas, hoping for better than steerage. I have talked with the lovely Kim Kregs about her area. Looking forward to making contacts at Speed Week 2017 for this trip.

DW

Dan, I didn't know you were coming over. You might find you already know a lot of us.
there's no White Goose Bar but there is a bar and canteen just off the lake.
and they don't take eftpos(no mobile coverage) And if anyone offers you a Tim Tam Slam....

G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on December 17, 2016, 06:14:12 AM
Dan, what wine growing areas are you going to?... you may well end up near our place, we're close to Heathcote, big red country.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on December 17, 2016, 10:06:15 AM


Grumm said "Dan, I didn't know you were coming over. You might find you already know a lot of us.
there's no White Goose Bar but there is a bar and canteen just off the lake.
and they don't take eftpos(no mobile coverage) And if anyone offers you a Tim Tam Slam...."

Or an Orange Whip.  :-o Is that right?  :cheers: Wayno
 

 
 
 
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on December 17, 2016, 10:23:39 AM
G, short glide is 24-1/4" short 400 is 27.
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on December 17, 2016, 03:57:19 PM
the Holden box on the scattershield is 18 3/4" and the tails shaft is another 4"
because reverse was in the extension housing, we just cut that off and used the spline it ran on for
the tails shaft
I have a 400 which I would be happy to use, however it's jut a bit big
I also have what appears to be a saginaw, but that's way long and reverse is in the box, not the extension housing
so that wont work easily
I'm thinking either a Bert speedway bow or a Super T10 might work
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on December 17, 2016, 05:38:29 PM
Yeah, that was my thought too, a Bert, but I wondered if they were around there for the scroungers price we tend to build with. What about using a 4X transfer case with a coupler on the crank, high & low range gives you two gears. You could push off with the engine running then slide it into low range when it lines up then float shift it into high range for the big one.
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on December 17, 2016, 05:39:47 PM
How long are they Sid?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on December 17, 2016, 05:49:52 PM
Yeah, that was my thought too, a Bert, but I wondered if they were around there for the scroungers price we tend to build with. What about using a 4X transfer case with a coupler on the crank, high & low range gives you two gears. You could push off with the engine running then slide it into low range when it lines up then float shift it into high range for the big one.
  Sid.

the 4x transfer case wouldn't really work due the concept of float shifting
Trying to keep it simple
My anti virus won't let me look at the Bert catalog. but apart from the clutch setup I think one would be
pretty good. Although I haven't been able to find a second hand one anywhere here
A new one seems pretty cheap compared to what else is available

G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on December 17, 2016, 06:36:54 PM
How long are they Sid?
My thought was what ever you have locally, Jap probably, about everything should be shorter than a Glide! You can range shift an electrical control type on the fly in a road vehicle, why not in your application. A Bert coupler on the crank & a short custom shaft to the T-case hooks you up. Some sort of adaptor ring to center it on the bellhousing & drill some holes & shift it with a switch.
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: maj on December 18, 2016, 03:20:26 PM
This sort of Bert ?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/BERT-DIRT-MODIFIED-TRANSMISSION-ALUMINUM-TRANNY-UPM-LATE-MODLE-DRAG-/221809478304
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on December 18, 2016, 04:01:19 PM
This sort of Bert ?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/BERT-DIRT-MODIFIED-TRANSMISSION-ALUMINUM-TRANNY-UPM-LATE-MODLE-DRAG-/221809478304

Yes, one a lot like that, however I think we want to run a clutch
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: awelker on December 19, 2016, 04:14:38 PM
If you are considering T-10 trans, I used a G-Force G101A which is loosely based on the T-10 style construction.  With no tail housing or reverse gears mine is right around 13.25" from front of trans face to rear of Mark Williams coupler.  Could have been a hair shorter but not much.  T-10 dimensions would be pretty much identical.

Andy

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/2/1581/26255247960_a142f70b5d_h.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/G161uY)Untitled (https://flic.kr/p/G161uY) by Andrew Welker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/vonwelker/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Peter Jack on December 19, 2016, 06:44:49 PM
This sort of Bert ?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/BERT-DIRT-MODIFIED-TRANSMISSION-ALUMINUM-TRANNY-UPM-LATE-MODLE-DRAG-/221809478304

Yes, one a lot like that, however I think we want to run a clutch
G

If you check the Bert website it appears a lot of his transmissions have an internal clutch. I don't really know what this consists of or how it operates.

Pete
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on December 20, 2016, 03:04:11 AM
If you are considering T-10 trans, I used a G-Force G101A which is loosely based on the T-10 style construction.  With no tail housing or reverse gears mine is right around 13.25" from front of trans face to rear of Mark Williams coupler.  Could have been a hair shorter but not much.  T-10 dimensions would be pretty much identical.

Andy

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/2/1581/26255247960_a142f70b5d_h.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/G161uY)Untitled (https://flic.kr/p/G161uY) by Andrew Welker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/vonwelker/), on Flickr

Andy, I like that a lot



If you check the Bert website it appears a lot of his transmissions have an internal clutch. I don't really know what this consists of or how it operates.

Pete

I'll do that if my virus scanner will let me

G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on December 20, 2016, 04:52:00 AM
If you are considering T-10 trans, I used a G-Force G101A which is loosely based on the T-10 style construction.  With no tail housing or reverse gears mine is right around 13.25" from front of trans face to rear of Mark Williams coupler.  Could have been a hair shorter but not much.  T-10 dimensions would be pretty much identical.

Andy

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/2/1581/26255247960_a142f70b5d_h.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/G161uY)Untitled (https://flic.kr/p/G161uY) by Andrew Welker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/vonwelker/), on Flickr


Andy, everytime I see your stuff my faith in my own abilities shrinks a little, it's all gorgeous.

This change of direction gearbox wise will save us $$ compared to trying to mate the Chev to what we have, it will also afford us some strength insurance.

As you were men.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on December 23, 2016, 09:55:22 PM
Anybody down there notice you guys were over a Million views on this thread....
So get to work, you have a lot of folks to impress  :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on December 23, 2016, 10:10:08 PM
Anybody down there notice you guys were over a Million views on this thread....
So get to work, you have a lot of folks to impress  :cheers:

At about 91,000 views a year it's almost as much as the Midget at 102,000 a year however we've done it mostly with smoke and mirrors......... :wink: but for three blokes with four good legs, enough hair for two and teeth for one and a half we go OK.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on December 23, 2016, 11:43:26 PM
Must be time for some product placement
G :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on December 24, 2016, 10:14:01 AM

At about 91,000 views a year it's almost as much as the Midget at 102,000 a year however we've done it mostly with smoke and mirrors......... :wink: but for three blokes with four good legs, enough hair for two and teeth for one and a half we go OK.

No no no no no - There is little in the way of "smoke and mirrors" in what you've accomplished.

The Spirit of Sunshine is a world class lakester and one of the most beautiful examples of the drop tank variety ever created.  It's remarkably well engineered.  The team members all have compelling stories to tell, and your support from members of this community is absolutely second to none.

The only reason the Midget has outpaced you on this forum in the number of views is that I've started out with a vehicle that had a production run of nearly a quarter of a million cars, half of them are still running - to varying degrees of efficiency - and the owners tend to be rabid freaks like myself.  Most of those clicks are from non-lsr types. 

I hear from them from time to time, and it's fun, but a lot of them simply don't get it.  I find myself coming back to Goggles' tag line almost every time - "Few understand what I'm trying to do but they vastly outnumber those who understand why"
   

There's only one Spirit of Sunshine. 

Factor in the denominator, boys . . . 

Merry Christmas from Beerhaven.  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:

PS - And by the way, the SOS goes a hell of a lot faster than the Midget. 
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on December 25, 2016, 04:05:47 AM
So getting back to that product placement
G

(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc28/grumm441/IMG_3542_zpsd3de3fza.jpg) (http://s219.photobucket.com/user/grumm441/media/IMG_3542_zpsd3de3fza.jpg.html)

So the tank is placed in my shed

(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc28/grumm441/IMG_3541_zpskgurhsm5.jpg) (http://s219.photobucket.com/user/grumm441/media/IMG_3541_zpskgurhsm5.jpg.html)

which gets it closer to the engine (thanks Robin)

(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc28/grumm441/IMG_3535_zpsuvxiyill.jpg) (http://s219.photobucket.com/user/grumm441/media/IMG_3535_zpsuvxiyill.jpg.html)

And something from my real job, (thanks Barry)
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on December 25, 2016, 11:32:40 AM
Wow, Grummy - those floors are really clean.

When did you stop working on Brit bikes?  :roll:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on December 25, 2016, 11:52:12 AM
Finally... Someone added a little humor back into this thread.   :cheers:
Looks like the task of getting that motor in that tank is going to cause you a few hard nights.  Some folks think this stuff is easy... mostly guys with doors I think....
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on December 25, 2016, 04:33:33 PM
Easy
Sure
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Speed Limit 1000 on December 25, 2016, 09:38:49 PM
Easy? What fun would that be :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on December 25, 2016, 10:57:32 PM
(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc28/grumm441/IMG_3547_zpslqzdbfi3.jpg) (http://s219.photobucket.com/user/grumm441/media/IMG_3547_zpslqzdbfi3.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Speed Limit 1000 on December 26, 2016, 12:28:07 AM
Just a few weeks work and you will be ready to run :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on December 26, 2016, 05:52:57 PM

OK holiday makers.

If you had to choose two gears, or hang on, you could have two gears and you could choose one of them (the other one would be 1:1) and you had a motor ( ok, an engine) that could make 500hp at full whack but about 3hp under 2000rpm what would they be?

here's some sums ( for a driveline that ends with 28 inch tyres)....

I have made a few assumptions here.
1./ That my 302 F100 can push the tank to 50mph
2./ That the 2nd/3rd gear change with a 2ft long gear shift in the truck won't induce a fatal whiplash injury in the driver of the tank.
3./ That the push period 1st/2nd gear change happens before the first set of clocks thus allowing the tank to remain eligible for the long track.


RPM                      Transmission ratio.                   Final Drive                Speed (mph)

2000                              1.38                                    2.41                          50

2200                              1.52                                    2.41                          50

8000                              2                                         2.41                         138

4002                              1                                         2.41                         138


2125                             1.38                                     2.56                          50

8000                             1.38                                     2.56                          188

5792                             1                                          2.56                          188             

2341                             1.52                                      2.56                         50

8000                             1.52                                      2.56                         171

5268                             1                                           2.56                         171



Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on December 26, 2016, 07:46:49 PM
My take:                        TR                                       RA                       FDR                           MPH

RPM                      Transmission ratio.     Rear axle ratio                    Final Drive                Speed (mph)

2000                              1.38                                    2.41                     3.33                            50

2200                              1.52                                    2.41                     3.67                            50

8000                              2                                         2.41                                                      138

4002                              1                                         2.41                     2.41                          138


2125                             1.38                                     2.56                      3.54                            50

8000                             1.38                                     2.56                      3.54                           188

5792                             1                                          2.56                      2.56                           188             

2341                             1.52                                      2.56                      3.54                            50

8000                             1.52                                      2.56                     ?????                           171

5268                             1                                           2.56                      2.56                           171



Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on December 26, 2016, 11:10:23 PM
OK.

So you got me on a point of order. "Rear axle ratio"

What I was trying to highlight was how low the motor would be turning on a 50mph push off, and what the split would be at the gear change.

I'm not sure what ratios are available in the Bert because I've been too lazy to look.

For the record I like the look of 2.56/1.52

I thought we had a 2.73:1 somewhere, but alas.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: tauruck on December 27, 2016, 03:52:11 AM
Awesome, guys.
I only wish you all the best. :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: fordboy628 on December 27, 2016, 07:30:26 AM

OK holiday makers.

If you had to choose two gears, or hang on, you could have two gears and you could choose one of them (the other one would be 1:1) and you had a motor ( ok, an engine) that could make 500hp at full whack but about 3hp under 2000rpm what would they be?

here's some sums ( for a driveline that ends with 28 inch tyres)....

I have made a few assumptions here.
1./ That my 302 F100 can push the tank to 50mph
2./ That the 2nd/3rd gear change with a 2ft long gear shift in the truck won't induce a fatal whiplash injury in the driver of the tank.
3./ That the push period 1st/2nd gear change happens before the first set of clocks thus allowing the tank to remain eligible for the long track.


RPM                      Transmission ratio.                   Final Drive                Speed (mph)

2000                              1.38                                    2.41                          50

2200                              1.52                                    2.41                          50

8000                              2                                         2.41                         138

4002                              1                                         2.41                         138


2125                             1.38                                     2.56                          50

8000                             1.38                                     2.56                          188

5792                             1                                          2.56                          188              

2341                             1.52                                      2.56                         50

8000                             1.52                                      2.56                         171

5268                             1                                           2.56                         171



Right about NOW would be a good time to know the rpm where peak bhp and peak torque are at.    Figure that the engine will pull clean to about 500 rpm over the power peak.   Assuming it is reliable to that unknown rpm.    Most N/A engines start to pull well at about 500 to 1000 rpm under peak torque.    But this is all very generalized.

It appears that you need somewhere around 3200 to 3800 rpm in the "power band" to use these example gears.    For N/A full race engines, the spread between peak tq and peak bhp varies from about 1500 rpm to 1800 rpm or so.   In my world, a wider power band would indicate a less than "full race" spec.   If you add 500 rpm to the top and 800 rpm to the bottom, that gives a 3100 rpm range, a bit on the tight side of what appears to be required.    My SWAG is purposefully conservative.

If your shift to a 1-1 top drops you to a bhp level below what is required to accelerate the tank, game over, as you well know.    I'm thinking you blokes need more gears, say 4, with progressive spacing (rpm drops) as you go up the gears.

I'd model something like:
1st    1.85
2nd   1.45   28%
3rd    1.18   23%
Top   1.00   18%

To start I'd use a diff ratio that gives a reasonable target speed right at peak bhp rpm.    With the ability to pull 500 rpm over (presumably) you would get a speed bonus up to the point you hit the "aero wall".

The worst case scenario requires ~ a 4000 rpm power band, which is really wide.

To use a "Sconnie Nation" phrase, a favorite of your buddy the "MM", you are on the road to slicing the cheese "really thin".   Some real numbers to eliminate the "SWAGS" is what is in order here.    Write an Excel spreadsheet to analyze this, or, spend the 50 bucks on Performance Trend's Transmission Gear Calculator V2.0

http://performancetrends.com/tg.htm

And no whingeing about the 50.   You guys drink that on a weekend . . . . .  :-D

 :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Interested Observer on December 27, 2016, 01:12:24 PM
The attached worksheet has a graph of estimated gearing and drag predictions for the SoS.  Of course, gearing should be chosen as the result of examination of actual power curves and realistic drag results. 

In this case, the power curve starts with the stated 500 hp at 8000 rpm, has an intermediate point from Kenny’s dyno run of 420 hp at 6400 rpm, and a completely WAG of 80 hp at 2000 rpm.  Other input data are stated in the graph title.  All of this can be easily revised if realistic information were to become available.

I would say, based on what is here, that the 1.52 ratio is a non-starter.  The 2.56 final drive ratio simply shifts the power curves slightly to the left.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on December 27, 2016, 03:41:40 PM
Gogg's & Grumm, why are you trying to limit yourself to two speeds??  :? :?
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on December 27, 2016, 04:12:05 PM
Gogg's & Grumm, why are you trying to limit yourself to two speeds??  :? :?
  Sid.

Just tossing the salad on using a Bert box.

The trans ratios I offered up were hypothetical. My suspicions are the same as those voiced here. I watched The Reverend miss a gear and I had to use 3rd myself from about 60mph at one stage with our last motor and short of going to a 3.08 I can't see any gear combinations that will keep the motor anywhere near peak power WHEREVER that is. (see how I've adopted the popular new technique of capitalizing the important word in the new post stupid environment).

Yes FordBoy, thats what I'm talkin about, our current box has a 1.32 and that is in my less than than humble but freely available opinion TOO LOW.....

This all may not be so urgent because a gully-washer just hit Gairdner.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on December 27, 2016, 04:49:09 PM
The attached worksheet has a graph of estimated gearing and drag predictions for the SoS.  Of course, gearing should be chosen as the result of examination of actual power curves and realistic drag results. 

In this case, the power curve starts with the stated 500 hp at 8000 rpm, has an intermediate point from Kenny’s dyno run of 420 hp at 6400 rpm, and a completely WAG of 80 hp at 2000 rpm.  Other input data are stated in the graph title.  All of this can be easily revised if realistic information were to become available.

I would say, based on what is here, that the 1.52 ratio is a non-starter.  The 2.56 final drive ratio simply shifts the power curves slightly to the left.


Is this based on us running 215 (6450rpm) with 330hp (using 2.41:1) and hitting the wall with the 2.14:1 at 5300rpm (estimated 270hp)?.... I don't have it at hand but the spreadsheet result I seem to remember had a slightly steeper curve  indicating we needed around 420-440hp at 240mph.......

I don't want to be biding my time with 80hp, we only have seven miles........ :roll:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Interested Observer on December 27, 2016, 05:12:59 PM
Sorry, I thought this was about at least a three-speed with alternate 2nd ratios.  If only two-speed, the 1.52 looks more suitable as a possibility.

And, again, this is all academic (and possibly pointless) until there is a valid power curve available.  Get that lump and the Electromotive guy down to the dyno!

The only firm data I had was Kenny’s dyno number.  Everything else was just guessing.  Given the above actual performance figures, I’ll try working them into the mix.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on December 27, 2016, 06:04:44 PM
.....I'm provoking discussion to tool up for the board meeting... :wink:

Cheers.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: awelker on December 27, 2016, 06:13:23 PM
Everything I could ever find in the Bert trans listed 2:1 for low gear. Brinn makes a similar model with a 1.88:1 low gear.

My old transmission was an early ford that I only used 2nd and 3rd. 2nd gear was around 1.6:1 and my limited power did not handle the rpm drop very well.

That's why I went with the G101A, 1,2,3 ratios are selectable from a big chart. I ended up with:

1st - 1.985
2nd - 1.533
3rd - 1.195
4th - 1.00

You even have the option to make 3rd gear overdriven if you are running out of rear end gear.

Andy
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on December 27, 2016, 07:30:53 PM
If you Dubbo's can't find the right hole to stick it in while driving in the fetal position with your winter jamies on :-D, can you loose the tail housing off a TH350 & make that fit? Any converter joint can lock a converter for you.
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Interested Observer on December 27, 2016, 08:06:05 PM
OK.  Reworking the horsepower required curve to approximate the 330hp/215mph data point, which was done by upping the frontal area to 9 sq. ft. and the Cd to 0.45 (which seems a lot more draggy that one would expect) results in the second graph on the accompanying worksheet.  (Fairing the axles and using wheel discs might go a fair way to helping out here, if not already done).
Other changes involve starting at 90 hp at 2000 rpm which seems possible given the air consumption rate of an E engine at that speed.  Also, changing the final drive ratio to bring the peak 8000 rpm power back to the power required curve.  Note that the power levels have not been decreased to match Bonneville elevation and air density nor any tire slip included. 
Observations:
This setup will just barely get there (238mph) at 8000 rpm, so adding some rpm would help, along with probably even shorter final drive.  This should be possible.
Kenny had opined that 550 hp should be within reach given good tuning.
Assuming the 1.52:1 gear ratio, at 50 mph there should be about 123 hp available which, assuming a vehicle weight of 3000 lb could result in about 0.3 “g” acceleration.  The top end of that gear would probably pull 0.37 “g”.   What does the car weigh--for calculating performance results?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on December 27, 2016, 08:44:58 PM
Has it been pointed out that this topic has surpassed the mega-view stage?

Corngratulations to all of us who provide to us/put up with what we get in this most lengthy of all, so far. :cheers:

(Sure wish I knew how to make the dead horse thingie upside down for them Aussies and maybe also change it from a dead horse to a living SoS, and from that nasty-lookin' stick to maybe a nice shiny torque wrench -- but I don't, so you'll have to imagine it).
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: salt27 on December 27, 2016, 09:31:20 PM
OK. What does the car weigh?


Good luck getting that out of them.   :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on December 27, 2016, 09:32:54 PM
Jon - the best I could come up with . . .

More Prague than Preston, no emojimotion, but a belated happy St. Stephens day to all . . .


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Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Speed Limit 1000 on December 27, 2016, 11:10:56 PM
 :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on December 28, 2016, 05:29:41 PM
Gogg's & Grumm, why are you trying to limit yourself to two speeds??  :? :?
  Sid.

If someone made a three speed racebox with a built in multi plate clutch and hydraulic slave I would be looking at that. And they are way short
Ross Brown said he might lend us a 2 stage Lenco and Greg Watters also has a box we could borrow, however to get three speeds we have a length problem
I'de love to fit an auto with a lock up converter, enough of them lying around here, again, a length problem
I do really like Andy's G101A





I don't want to be biding my time with 80hp, we only have seven miles........ :roll:

Last timing light should be at the six this year, it was at the five last year.
I told everyone that at the drivers meeting. Weren't you listening?

Has it been pointed out that this topic has surpassed the mega-view stage?

Corngratulations to all of us who provide to us/put up with what we get in this most lengthy of all, so far. :cheers:

(Sure wish I knew how to make the dead horse thingie upside down for them Aussies and maybe also change it from a dead horse to a living SoS, and from that nasty-lookin' stick to maybe a nice shiny torque wrench -- but I don't, so you'll have to imagine it).

Yep. Stainless pointed it out about three pages ago.  I was so impressed I showed my Mum
Thanks everyone for looking and thanks for all your advice, even if we don't take it

I might just go out the shed, with the very clean floor,  and make the car longer

G

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on December 28, 2016, 05:38:19 PM
"...Yep. Stainless pointed it out about three pages ago."

Oh.  Like - I'm supposed to pay attention?

Sorry. :-P
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on December 28, 2016, 07:24:09 PM
A two stage Lenco is a 3 speed just in case anybody missed it here but without a reverser is that actually longer than a Burt/Brinn?
I believe both of those have a 32 spline out-put shaft the same as the long Greek coupler I sent you but I think limiting yourself to a two speed would be a mistake when it comes to keeping the engine on the boil.
How about moving the axle back, is that an option?
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on December 28, 2016, 07:49:22 PM
A 4 speed with some where very close to the afore mentioned ratios----even if you had to leave out the clutch and use a Greek Coupler  should be able to get to the minimum
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on December 28, 2016, 09:02:25 PM
A two stage Lenco is a 3 speed just in case anybody missed it here but without a reverser is that actually longer than a Burt/Brinn?
I believe both of those have a 32 spline out-put shaft the same as the long Greek coupler I sent you but I think limiting yourself to a two speed would be a mistake when it comes to keeping the engine on the boil.
How about moving the axle back, is that an option?
  Sid.



the more I look at it, the trickier it gets. I'm just thinking about adding 6" in the middle
I have to remake the bottom tubes to get the engine in anyway and the middle is the easiest place to re sheet
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on December 28, 2016, 11:02:44 PM
Yeah, sounds like that might be the right decision Mate.
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on December 28, 2016, 11:57:40 PM
 yepers--- if 6 is good 12 is better :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on December 29, 2016, 12:04:28 AM
Beat me to it Sparky  :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on December 29, 2016, 08:18:08 AM
You hate to lose the lines of this car, and you hate to monkey with a chassis combination that has worked so well, but packaging was designed around an unusual combination.  A few more inches today would open it up to a lot more options in the future, and I hate to say it, but if you're going to lengthen it, perhaps setting it up for a V8 would be appropriate at this time.

SOS 1.1?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on December 29, 2016, 03:50:42 PM

Last timing light should be at the six this year, it was at the five last year.
I told everyone that at the drivers meeting. Weren't you listening?

I was listing to port a bit last year, listening not so much.

I like the G101A solution, might involve selling some guitars though.


You hate to lose the lines of this car, and you hate to monkey with a chassis combination that has worked so well, but packaging was designed around an unusual combination.  A few more inches today would open it up to a lot more options in the future, and I hate to say it, but if you're going to lengthen it, perhaps setting it up for a V8 would be appropriate at this time.

SOS 1.1?

Holidays and lakesters, they're never long enough.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on December 29, 2016, 05:09:49 PM
Yeah, sounds like that might be the right decision Mate.
  Sid.

If you're passing by, drop in and lend a hand

yepers--- if 6 is good 12 is better :-D

You hate to lose the lines of this car, and you hate to monkey with a chassis combination that has worked so well, but packaging was designed around an unusual combination.  A few more inches today would open it up to a lot more options in the future, and I hate to say it, but if you're going to lengthen it, perhaps setting it up for a V8 would be appropriate at this time.

SOS 1.1?

I think six will work just fine
I've got a 350 here that would almost fit if we ran an electric water pump
And with a short gearbox, G101A, it would work almost as it is
However, I still have to rework the bottom frame tubes to fit the current motor in.
So that involves cutting them  and the front cross braces out and remaking them.
Not significantly more work to lengthen to top two at the same time
My Dad is bringing round a proper engine guy tommorow morning to talk to me and see if he's interested in helping out
But we still need a flywheel, starter, twin plate clutch and gearbox
And the renevations don't stop for land speed racing

Other than that. the sky opened last night and there was a queue of animals heading up the street to Noah's house
As part of my new garage mahal, although not quite as big as Wayno's, I put 2 x 2000 litre water tanks behind it.
The lovely Corinne left the tap on during the week, not her fault as I was pouring the homebrew, and we now know how long they take to empty
They were still empty yesterday morning. They're full today
And the 8 cubic meters of soil is thankfully still where I put it

G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on December 29, 2016, 06:18:28 PM
Is your more HP going to need more cooling.... more fuel...6 inches is not really that much... 12 inches might give you room for turbos in the future, a little more flexibility on transmission....
 hate to see you need to stretch it again in 5 years  :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on December 29, 2016, 07:28:34 PM
Turbo's!
it's almost fast enough already

G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on December 29, 2016, 07:58:57 PM
They're never fast enough Mate. What Stainless said.....
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: awelker on December 29, 2016, 08:37:34 PM
If you are considering the G101A I'll help however I can. I did the drawings for the shorty conversion and had them CNC'd where I work.

It is a bit pricey but is rated way above what I ever need and most importantly fit the size constraint.  An added bonus is how quickly it shifts since it is dog plate as opposed to conventional syncros. I had all the internals REM micro polished which G-Force does in house. It also helped their are located about 1.5 hours from me and let me look at anything I wanted and I even got a bare case to modify and test fit prior to assembly.

They offer a bunch of different input shaft splines which they will machine to any length and pilot diameter you want. Same for the bearing retainer locating diameter and length. I was able to get bolt up scenario behind a 59A flathead using a 1948-52 big truck adapter and use the stock Ford throw out bearing. Anything is possible!

If interested PM me your email address and I can send you the info I have so you can ponder your choices.

Andy
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on December 29, 2016, 11:27:07 PM
All right we are on the way now   a G Force with   something like

1.9
        23%
1.45
        20%
1.15
        15%
1.00
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on December 30, 2016, 12:42:54 AM
hate to see you need to stretch it again in 5 years  :cheers:

That's a lie. You will happily sit back with a drink and some chips and watch with glee  :cheers:
If you are considering the G101A I'll help however I can. I did the drawings for the shorty conversion and had them CNC'd where I work.

It is a bit pricey but is rated way above what I ever need and most importantly fit the size constraint.  An added bonus is how quickly it shifts since it is dog plate as opposed to conventional syncros. I had all the internals REM micro polished which G-Force does in house. It also helped their are located about 1.5 hours from me and let me look at anything I wanted and I even got a bare case to modify and test fit prior to assembly.

They offer a bunch of different input shaft splines which they will machine to any length and pilot diameter you want. Same for the bearing retainer locating diameter and length. I was able to get bolt up scenario behind a 59A flathead using a 1948-52 big truck adapter and use the stock Ford throw out bearing. Anything is possible!

If interested PM me your email address and I can send you the info I have so you can ponder your choices.

Andy

There's a few guitars looking nervous at my place.....
Turbo's!
it's almost fast enough already

G

Almost, we could turbo our F class motor idea....there's a certain F/BL record that would look nice with our name on it.... :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: rgdavid on December 30, 2016, 05:00:39 AM
Is your water tank going to be big enough for the new bhp?
(yet more length needed ?)

As for selling guitars. :-o....thats a crime against music.
Sell the dog, the computer, the car but not guitars.

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: tauruck on December 30, 2016, 07:51:33 AM
Keep the dog, definitely don't sell the dog!. :lol:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on January 01, 2017, 01:50:40 AM
I've got the odd motorcycle taking up space
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on January 01, 2017, 03:04:14 PM
Yeah I know the feeling Mate, I have a cuppla muscle cars that will probably help me get my long pile of parts to Gairdner. There comes a time when one toy kicks another one out of the toy box.
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on January 01, 2017, 06:02:10 PM
Selling the Monaro has come up at my place once or twice
Although I'm fairly confidant there would not be much left for lakesters
Speaking of which, Cookie has been busy
http://www.landracing.com/forum/index.php/topic,12671.150.html

G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on January 01, 2017, 08:29:34 PM
I've got two guitars on the block and the B will likely be in somebody else's garage by the time the Midget sees salt again.

There comes a time when one toy kicks another one out of the toy box.
  Sid.

And the toys not getting used are - and should be - the first to go.

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on January 01, 2017, 10:05:07 PM
Selling the Monaro has come up at my place once or twice
Although I'm fairly confidant there would not be much left for lakesters
Speaking of which, Cookie has been busy
http://www.landracing.com/forum/index.php/topic,12671.150.html

G

NOT the Monaro Mate, they didn't make enough of them. I had an HG-350 when I was in Sydney & should never have sold it. Now my 70 Challengers don't blow my skirt up any more, they're just money.
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: maj on January 02, 2017, 04:04:59 AM
Sid when you bring your belly tank over bring a Challenger too, i am sure i could find a good home for it
Last nice Mopar i had sold to get serious with the salt bike , 70 RT SE Charger , still kick myself occasionally , should have sold the Javelin
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: tauruck on January 02, 2017, 04:11:27 AM
Isn't that the truth!!!!.
I think we all have reason to kick ourselves but you need a BIG one. :-D :-D :-D :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: fordboy628 on January 02, 2017, 05:35:32 AM
I've got two guitars on the block and the B will likely be in somebody else's garage by the time the Midget sees salt again.

There comes a time when one toy kicks another one out of the toy box.
  Sid.

And the toys not getting used are - and should be - the first to go.



Keep the B, finish and sell the Widow Maker, er, FrankenSprite . . . . . .

Getting rid of some of my toys too.    Need to get the Honda into the garage and make room for home upgrade projects.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on January 02, 2017, 12:58:27 PM
Sid when you bring your belly tank over bring a Challenger too, i am sure i could find a good home for it
Last nice Mopar i had sold to get serious with the salt bike , 70 RT SE Charger , still kick myself occasionally , should have sold the Javelin
It'll be the streamliner that will likely make the trip to Gairdner not the tank. Amongst others down there I also had a copper-bronze 68 Javelin 343-sst, I think it was production number 11 & it went to Adelaide or Perth when I sold it.
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on January 10, 2017, 11:27:18 PM
So, I've spoken to Mark Shifflert  GForce gearbox guy and he can help us out.
I'm looking at
1st   1.985
2nd  1.533
3rd   1.195
4th   1.000
 which is prety much what Andy is running in his tank
Now we just need some word from Andy on the shorty conversion
and some word from Fordboy to make sure I have picked the right ratios before I've Dyno'ed the motor
I need to sort out a gearshift and we have had a very generous donation or loan of a clutch and flywheel
We might have to find some money to bring it to Bonneville, providing I'm still allowed entry to the USA

G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 11, 2017, 12:06:34 AM
Word on the street was that the motor made ~440hp @ 6400rpm running like a pig (Kenny's words) at Duttweiler's.That is all the power we ever hoped for......running well and with another few thousand revs KD thinks it would be good for another 80.....howevs, my hunch is we want to gear it to be at or near the top of out elected rev range at the target speed, for now that is 240mph

Our real decision is diff ratio There is a reluctance to run the motor out to the redline amongst some in the camp here so the 3.08 isn't being considered, next we have the 2.73 which would be my choice, next to that is the 2.56. As we go down the rev drop widens and the available power lessens. In the interests of peace in the camp it is most likely we will start with the 2.56 and have the 2.73 sitting ready just in case.

There is of course the option of running it in 3rd gear......that'd save taking the 2.14 out of it..... :roll:

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: salt27 on January 11, 2017, 12:14:00 AM
So, I've spoken to Mark Shifflert  GForce gearbox guy and he can help us out.
I'm looking at
1st   1.985
2nd  1.533
3rd   1.195
4th   1.000
 which is prety much what Andy is running in his tank
Now we just need some word from Andy on the shorty conversion
and some word from Fordboy to make sure I have picked the right ratios before I've Dyno'ed the motor
I need to sort out a gearshift and we have had a very generous donation or loan of a clutch and flywheel
We might have to find some money to bring it to Bonneville, providing I'm still allowed entry to the USA

G


Sounds like you're heading in the right direction to me.   :cheers:

Details on the clutch and flywheel?

You're thinking on bringing it to Bonneville when people are headed your way looking for good salt.   :?

  Don
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 11, 2017, 12:30:07 AM
We'll be running it here first Don.

Tilton twin plate.

I need to buy some hot pants and heels in order to raise the dough for this next saga....... :roll:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on January 11, 2017, 12:37:59 AM
Take pictures! :-o
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on January 11, 2017, 12:48:45 AM

I need to buy some hot pants and heels in order to raise the dough for this next saga....... :roll:

Take pictures! :-o
  Sid.

How about pictures of Dan Warner after a few Tim Tam Slams at the DLRA Club Auction on whatever night it is after he meets Mr Animal in his auction gear

 
(My advice for DW, don't go to the auction)

G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on January 11, 2017, 12:50:15 AM
Did anyone look at Cookies build????
http://www.landracing.com/forum/index.php/topic,12671.150.html
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on January 11, 2017, 07:33:56 AM
Yes.  :-) Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on January 11, 2017, 03:39:36 PM

I need to buy some hot pants and heels in order to raise the dough for this next saga....... :roll:

I was wondering when the troupe was going to start work on a "Priscella" revival . . .

Break a leg!
  :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: salt27 on January 11, 2017, 05:14:57 PM
I need to buy some hot pants and heels in order to raise the dough for this next saga....... :roll:
Take pictures! :-o
  Sid.

If you do take pictures, PLEASE do not post them.   :-o
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 12, 2017, 05:15:23 PM
I need to buy some hot pants and heels in order to raise the dough for this next saga....... :roll:
Take pictures! :-o
  Sid.

If you do take pictures, PLEASE do not post them.   :-o

Rack off Don, I was just watching the post views ticking over, that's you checking in to see if there's any pictures of me in my undies......
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on January 19, 2017, 03:46:53 AM
Thanks for the goodies Slim
Chief fixer of stuff
G

(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc28/grumm441/IMG_3586_zpsgo9rfta0.jpg) (http://s219.photobucket.com/user/grumm441/media/IMG_3586_zpsgo9rfta0.jpg.html)

and the new driver profile pic for Goggles
(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc28/grumm441/Ha_zpscbrk47hl.png) (http://s219.photobucket.com/user/grumm441/media/Ha_zpscbrk47hl.png.html)

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on January 19, 2017, 12:11:59 PM
Holy $hit! There's some things you just want to un-see. :-o
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on January 19, 2017, 10:46:14 PM
Just makes you want to poke out your mind's eye....  :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: salt27 on January 20, 2017, 01:05:35 AM
Smacks of Monty Python.    :roll:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 20, 2017, 11:00:58 PM
WTF?

Where's my plaque?

Chief Executive Breaker.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 21, 2017, 04:35:03 PM
I think we need a little bit of context here. Graham once sent me a picture of the Dadswells Bridge koala as an indication that he was heading west eventually ending up in Western Australia. What he didn't know was that soon after that I'd be traveling past the Dadswells bridge koala at least twice a fortnight. So for the ensuing 2 years almost every Thursday Graham received a picture of the Dadswells Bridge Koala...... This was the most recent one I sent him, after a brief hiatus..... For once, he seemed lost for words, until it appeared here for your enjoyment.... I still want a plaque
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: salt27 on January 21, 2017, 04:52:28 PM
I still want a plaque


You'ed probably break it.   
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on January 21, 2017, 06:20:43 PM
I still want a plaque


You'ed probably break it.   

Yep
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 21, 2017, 09:38:43 PM


At least I can spell plark.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on January 22, 2017, 12:59:37 AM
If somebody helped you.  :roll: Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stan Back on January 27, 2017, 11:51:52 AM
Don't go picking on Priscella -- remember, it was an Oscar winner.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on January 27, 2017, 12:06:32 PM
Oh, Brother.  :roll:   :wink:  :cheers: Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Buickguy3 on January 27, 2017, 12:47:23 PM
    Wayno, I found this translator to help with the language barriers.
  Doug  :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 27, 2017, 05:32:58 PM
There are plenty more, not the least unprintable ones.

The Colonel and I are going on what could be described as an ill advised foray today. You may hear all about it, you may not that depends on how accurate my assessment as "ill advised" turns out to be.....

In the background things are happening, in the foreground it's all color and movement....shouting and confetti, there might be a few items for sale in the music room soon. 20 guitars and nearly as many amps are too many when you need a new gearbox and word is that Von Welker has been beavering away on a shorty conversion for us... The reality is that without Robin Dripps, Stainless, Don Jackson, Sid Gyde Andy Welker and Jon Amo we'd still be largely talking out of our backsides... As it is we have turned a serious corner.....Hey Wayno......( Pic. Simon Davidson)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on January 27, 2017, 06:02:02 PM
A wonderful end-of-the-day at Bville photo.  Thanks for showing it to us - gave me a fine feeling of "dang, I miss that scene" when I saw it.  Then, of course, there were the mood breakers themselves.  Ah, such is the life, hey?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on January 27, 2017, 06:24:03 PM
An ill advised foray is an understatement
Hey Slim, thanks for the Stickers, could I possibly get the artwork for the LR Sticker as well
And Stainless, Thaks a lot, although I may  still be looking for more bits
Andy, Thanks
Robin Thanks heaps (Australian for thankyou very much)
And Jon Amo, do you think you would have room in your hand luggage for a gearbox?
Now , back to the mini Garagemahal to do some cleaning up. It would be nice to see a benchtop
And to decide which bikes are going on ebay
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on February 21, 2017, 05:34:37 AM
So.... exactly how ill advised was it?

rH+
Stuck in Nottingham town...
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on February 21, 2017, 10:26:14 AM
You guys have been quiet, you making SW?
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 21, 2017, 03:47:41 PM
So.... exactly how ill advised was it?
rH+
Stuck in Nottingham town...

We provided our own advice. We acted on it in the way that we thought best, we were happy with the outcome.
You guys have been quiet, you making SW?
  Sid.

We are currently loining our girds for the trip, Graham has a busy week scrutineering bikes, I will be, well, left to my own devices.......

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on February 21, 2017, 04:00:25 PM
So.... exactly how ill advised was it?
rH+
Stuck in Nottingham town...

We provided our own advice. We acted on it in the way that we thought best, we were happy with the outcome.
You guys have been quiet, you making SW?
  Sid.

We are currently loining our girds for the trip, Graham has a busy week scrutineering bikes, I will be, well, left to my own devices.......



The only question asked by Corinne was to the location at which it will be stored
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 03, 2017, 07:12:49 AM
We're back on the blacktop.
Jack Rogers turned up with three Camaros and he, KEITH TURK, Greg May, Frieburger all ran 200+.
Dave Rosewarne and Mark Love's  Firebird got out of shape and then on its side after a chute pull.
Lionel West's AA/Falt did 261.
Dunn's tank 240's
Mike Davidson's FlattAttack ran 230's
Peter Warrens P38 ran over 200
Cookie's Brunskilltown Mopar did its 175 license.
Kim and Jim and Greg suffered tribulation.
Richard Assen turned up with a new lay down head first Busa motored special in A Blown, ran 209. Centre hub steering and all round beautiful engineering.
Brooke Jennings built a similar deal with leading link and a VW flat four that ran for TO.
More later.

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on March 03, 2017, 07:30:07 AM
Sounds like a successful and safe meet.

What were the numbers of people like?

Any crazy new vehicles of note?

Photos. We. Want. Photos.

rH+
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on March 04, 2017, 11:18:49 PM
I think I took three photo's during the week
I got a bit busy
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 05, 2017, 12:32:08 AM
That's one more photo than I took.


There was something that interested me.

I saw that slightly stunned look, the quietening, the hush that falls when someone comes back from a gloves off bout with the great white dyno. It's not that hard to build a car, well, it's a lot of work but the degree of difficulty isn't that large. Building a motor may be beyond me but it clearly isn't beyond nearly everybody here. Sorting through all the claptrap about aerodynamics can take a lot of time and is clearly beyond a lot of people but with a little concentration and a logical approach it can be done. But defeating drag with horsepower is a numerical game and you can dance around all you like but if you ain't got enough you're gonna get knocked out.

I saw cars with lots more power than ours go a little bit faster than ours. It was clear to me time and time again that people just fail to understand the exponential nature of the relationship between speed and drag. That their car that happily buzzed up to 200mph seems to be running out of puff in the 2teens, "there was a head wind but it was only 16mph?"..........

DUDE, THAT IS AS FAST AS IT IS GOING TO GO.

I've had an existential crisis about the Spirit of Sunshine, but I've kept going. We've had an enormous amount of help from friends and strangers and we've kept at it, the gearbox is finished and we are just calculating freight and duty and it will be shipped. I pushed on because deep down I knew we had a good car, a beautiful car and if we get it right a fast car. Nothing I saw last week suggested to me I'm wrong.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on March 05, 2017, 11:16:28 AM
 :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: salt27 on March 05, 2017, 07:34:46 PM
James, I'm liking your summary.
Keep at it.   :cheers:

 Don
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on March 05, 2017, 09:40:42 PM
That's one more photo than I took.


There was something that interested me.

I saw that slightly stunned look, the quietening, the hush that falls when someone comes back from a gloves off bout with the great white dyno. It's not that hard to build a car, well, it's a lot of work but the degree of difficulty isn't that large. Building a motor may be beyond me but it clearly isn't beyond nearly everybody here. Sorting through all the claptrap about aerodynamics can take a lot of time and is clearly beyond a lot of people but with a little concentration and a logical approach it can be done. But defeating drag with horsepower is a numerical game and you can dance around all you like but if you ain't got enough you're gonna get knocked out.

I saw cars with lots more power than ours go a little bit faster than ours. It was clear to me time and time again that people just fail to understand the exponential nature of the relationship between speed and drag. That their car that happily buzzed up to 200mph seems to be running out of puff in the 2teens, "there was a head wind but it was only 16mph?"..........

DUDE, THAT IS AS FAST AS IT IS GOING TO GO.

I've had an existential crisis about the Spirit of Sunshine, but I've kept going. We've had an enormous amount of help from friends and strangers and we've kept at it, the gearbox is finished and we are just calculating freight and duty and it will be shipped. I pushed on because deep down I knew we had a good car, a beautiful car and if we get it right a fast car. Nothing I saw last week suggested to me I'm wrong.


What he said.
It was a good meeting.
I was busy chasing around after errant motorcyclists. and giving away free yellow tickets
The interesting thing for me was that there were a lot of faired and turbo bikes making a lot more ponies than we do on Tank 1
and of the ones that were faster than our previous efforts, they weren't faster by much
G

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 09, 2017, 04:04:05 PM
Just paid the shipping on the G-Force trans, thanks to Andy Welker, we're back on track, well, back in the shed.

Some guy said to me last week..." I really admire what you guys do, you know back-yarders and everything"

I laughed and he said " No, I'm serious, lots of these guys have businesses, labor on hand to get stuff done, you blokes must have jobs and everything, I dunno how you do it"

Slowly, that's how we do it.  :wink:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: manta22 on March 09, 2017, 05:33:24 PM
Goggles, even those of us who don't have jobs do it slowly!  :-P

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: tauruck on March 09, 2017, 06:03:11 PM
And with great difficulty!. :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 09, 2017, 07:24:38 PM
With all due respect Mike you're just building a space shuttle out of exotic composites whereas we, we are operating at the cutting edge breaking new ground with a billy cart that amongst other things has yellow paint........


Neil, If I could do some things a little more slowly I'd only have to do them once :roll: :roll:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: twodear on March 12, 2017, 05:41:51 AM
To me, anything worth doing is worth doing over; a problem for sure since I apparently didn't have time to do it right in the first place. I think you fellas are fairly successful in doing it right the first time around.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 12, 2017, 05:16:39 PM


 
Now, some good news. We'd done a bit of measuring over the last twelve months and we'd done a lot of talking but what we hadn't done any of was actually trying the motor ..."in the hole"..so.

Yesterday we made a start. First of all we had to make some alterations to the jig so the crane could fit under it and then we were away. When the car was at Lancefield and the Reverend was over from Brexitville we'd made some vague plans as to how we would reconfigure the lower frame rails to accommodate the Chev but after a little bit of fooling, and some groaning as we got up and down off the floor we got a piece of electrical conduit and cut it to length.....it seems we can just move the lower tubes out and up, no need for any bends...this gives us more sump room and also clears the problematic area where the exhaust has to go around the starter motor. The best bit though is that these new members can be welded in before the old ones are cut out..that is an enormous relief as we were worried that if we cut out significant frame members in a non secure environment that some of the hoo-doo* might escape.

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/received_10210406308928899_zpsxiwrjyxw.jpeg)

*Contrary to popular belief things only go fast when during construction some "hoo-doo" is captured from the atmosphere and incorporated into the structure, careless rebuilds or modifications can allow this to escape.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on March 12, 2017, 07:08:33 PM
*Contrary to popular belief things only go fast when during construction some "hoo-doo" is captured from the atmosphere and incorporated into the structure, careless rebuilds or modifications can allow this to escape.

You must understand that this Hoodoo can be contained by copious amounts of yellow paint.  :cheers: Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on March 12, 2017, 07:20:22 PM
*Contrary to popular belief things only go fast when during construction some "hoo-doo" is captured from the atmosphere and incorporated into the structure, careless rebuilds or modifications can allow this to escape.

In California, releasing such agents into the atmosphere will bring a hefty fine.

So, will you not have to lengthen it, after all?

The less you can get by with and maintain the integrity of the chassis, the better off you're going to be.

Good hearing good news!   :cheers:

hmmm . . . Don't get me started in alliteration . . . I'll skip the obvious band reference . . . trying to work "hoon" into this . . . give me a couple of days.


Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: manta22 on March 12, 2017, 07:34:17 PM
*Contrary to popular belief things only go fast when during construction some "hoo-doo" is captured from the atmosphere and incorporated into the structure, careless rebuilds or modifications can allow this to escape.

You must understand that this Hoodoo can be contained by copious amounts of yellow paint.  :cheers: Wayno

Polyurethane isocyanate yellow paint!  :-D

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 12, 2017, 09:11:07 PM
Nothing so complicated, two parts? No, that my yellow friendly friend is alkyd resin enamel.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: rgdavid on March 13, 2017, 09:56:40 AM
This "hoo doo" in the atmosphere....
Is it induced bythe presence of beer,good music and sexy women ?

Heres hoping that all goes well using original hoo doo and the new hoodoo .
Good building the sunshiners
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on March 13, 2017, 11:17:19 AM
Hey Goggs, don't worry about sending the Greek Couplers back since you can't use them just sell them off & put the money in the tank.
That picture gives a scale of just how small your tank is!
Keep in mind the dia & length of the headers that came with it when you build your new ones. They're probably not good for anything else so just cut them up & use what you can to reconfigure.
Is your oiling dry or wet sump & do you have everything you need?
Is your cooling system going to be enough for this engine?
The easy way to cut & stretch a chassis like that is to weld some temporary slider tubes to the outside then wack it off & drag it back, if that's what you decide to do. Personally that seems like the best way to go to me, it'll save you heaps of work & time in the re-packaging situation & you could just add a straight body section in the middle. Opinion's are like arse holes though Mate & I have one of each! :-)
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on March 13, 2017, 01:18:45 PM
Onward  According to FFD   "metal is dumb it just lies there until someone is smart enough to pick it up and make it do something."
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 13, 2017, 06:43:51 PM
Hey Goggs, don't worry about sending the Greek Couplers back since you can't use them just sell them off & put the money in the tank.
we'll get 'em back to Idaho if we have to carry them ourselves......
That picture gives a scale of just how small your tank is!
Darling, I never said it was big, just that you'd never forget it.
Keep in mind the dia & length of the headers that came with it when you build your new ones. They're probably not good for anything else so just cut them up & use what you can to reconfigure.
Thing is, they are a real work of art and there's only a few little bits that we could use.....the collectors are absolutely hot-diggety, we might use them.
Is your oiling dry or wet sump & do you have everything you need?
Just had a chat to Robin about why there are two sumps, looks like we'll end up using an ARE low profile Indy sump.We need to make a tank for it, that can go up against the firewall where we have always had a little room.
Is your cooling system going to be enough for this engine?
We had a saddle tank that held 60 litres(14 gal.) and sat on top of the gearbox. It won't fit and we'd like a bit more pressure in the system anyway....if anyone here would like to do the heat exchange calcs on 450hp to raise 50 litres from 35c to 100c that would be much appreciated......
The easy way to cut & stretch a chassis like that is to weld some temporary slider tubes to the outside then wack it off & drag it back, if that's what you decide to do. Personally that seems like the best way to go to me, it'll save you heaps of work & time in the re-packaging situation & you could just add a straight body section in the middle. Opinion's are like arse holes though Mate & I have one of each! :-)
  Sid.

We are doing everything we possibly can to keep it all within the original package, seems crazy but it worked before and even when it wasn't it looked good doing it........
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on March 13, 2017, 08:55:56 PM
I've already replaced the couplers I sent you so find em a new home & turn em into colored money you can use.
I'm loosing crew at an alarming rate here to other commitments, you might have to come over & help me run the liner.
  Sid. 
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 13, 2017, 11:10:06 PM
I've already replaced the couplers I sent you so find em a new home & turn em into colored money you can use.
I'm loosing crew at an alarming rate here to other commitments, you might have to come over & help me run the liner.
  Sid. 

You may live to regret that. Colonel?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: awelker on March 14, 2017, 08:16:05 AM
Well I hope the transmission gets to you and works out ok. Never thought I would find anyone who needed the same thing I came up with.

As for heat exchanger, how many miles do you have to go?  I can dig out my calcs and compare, I make a lot less horsepower but dump a lot into the cooling system. I ran 5 gallons in the motor and heat exchanger and 9 gallons in the ice tank. Easily handled 3 miles with enough to take me to 5. If I can go fast enough to get the honor of running 5.

Andy
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Interested Observer on March 14, 2017, 09:43:37 AM
See reply #33 in “Engine cooling water tank sizing”   ...and other surrounding discussion.

Converting units to plug in, “450hp to raise 50 litres from 35c to 100c”  would be raising 13.2 gallons from 95F to 212F.  Assuming about 1/3 of the 450 Hp goes into the cooling system, results in 150 Hp loading to the cooling water.

GPM = 6.52   or, 24.7 liter/min.
and, assuming a 2 minute duration of application,
V = 2*6.52 = 13.05 gallons  or  49.4 liters.

Other considerations may also apply as discussed in that thread.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 14, 2017, 03:38:48 PM
See reply #33 in “Engine cooling water tank sizing”   ...and other surrounding discussion.

Converting units to plug in, “450hp to raise 50 litres from 35c to 100c”  would be raising 13.2 gallons from 95F to 212F.  Assuming about 1/3 of the 450 Hp goes into the cooling system, results in 150 Hp loading to the cooling water.

GPM = 6.52   or, 24.7 liter/min.
and, assuming a 2 minute duration of application,
V = 2*6.52 = 13.05 gallons  or  49.4 liters.

Other considerations may also apply as discussed in that thread.

You're a gem.

I did some napkin calcs and got 114kw to heat 50litres by 65 degrees in 2mins.
The result suggests that 50litres is the minimum we need, the safety margin is in the pressurization, good management would indicate more water and been well aware of the starting temp.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 14, 2017, 03:47:30 PM
Well I hope the transmission gets to you and works out ok. Never thought I would find anyone who needed the same thing I came up with.

As for heat exchanger, how many miles do you have to go?  I can dig out my calcs and compare, I make a lot less horsepower but dump a lot into the cooling system. I ran 5 gallons in the motor and heat exchanger and 9 gallons in the ice tank. Easily handled 3 miles with enough to take me to 5. If I can go fast enough to get the honor of running 5.

Andy

Shit! So do I, going to uncomfortable at my place if it doesn't arrive!!!


Your specs aren't that unique, people seem to overlook how tiny our car is, we needed a tall third gear and a really really short box that some whizz had already cooked up the shorty conversion was too good to be true. I've seen your attention to detail, that was enough for me..The Colonel wasn't quite so familiar with it all ...when he asked me what I thought about the idea I said "-@_#&@$! Have you seen his tank? It's off the chart"....it was an easy decision..... The CAD plans for our frame have been offered to a few people who have had access to Canberra  bomber tanks but as yet no-one has followed through so congrats to you for getting your stuff out there......gotta go ,just heard the Postie's whistle.....
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on March 16, 2017, 04:00:04 AM
I've already replaced the couplers I sent you so find em a new home & turn em into colored money you can use.
I'm loosing crew at an alarming rate here to other commitments, you might have to come over & help me run the liner.
  Sid. 

You may live to regret that. Colonel?

I'm on my way

Well I hope the transmission gets to you and works out ok. Never thought I would find anyone who needed the same thing I came up with.

As for heat exchanger, how many miles do you have to go?  I can dig out my calcs and compare, I make a lot less horsepower but dump a lot into the cooling system. I ran 5 gallons in the motor and heat exchanger and 9 gallons in the ice tank. Easily handled 3 miles with enough to take me to 5. If I can go fast enough to get the honor of running 5.

Andy

Yep. it's just what we needed
thanks Andy
I haven't seen your tank in the flesh as it seems that when I'm on a salt lake anywhere in the world I'm working in tech
however I have had a good look at your website, and every time I look I learn a little bit more
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on March 26, 2017, 01:04:29 AM
Moving on
G

(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc28/grumm441/IMG_3776_zpsnz6jycp6.jpg) (http://s219.photobucket.com/user/grumm441/media/IMG_3776_zpsnz6jycp6.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: rgdavid on March 26, 2017, 08:21:57 AM
New front end/axle ?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 26, 2017, 04:21:19 PM
New car, refer to page one of this diary, it's the WazaVudu!....... and then there were two. :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 31, 2017, 06:26:37 PM
...and then there was this.

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/IMG_3786_zpssmtg0z1m.jpg)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on March 31, 2017, 11:09:36 PM
yippe kIaaa Yay!!!! 
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 31, 2017, 11:39:39 PM
Got a sizeable fright when it landed and UPS sent us the bill ( for which we'd paid "door to door")....there were more charges, lots more charges... we couldn't make head or tail of it except that in total it was half what we paid for the gearbox( a not insignificant amount) on top of what we'd already paid..... Graham knows a bit about tail so he looked into it....turns out some genius had entered the dimensions (given in centimetres) in inches, the assessed weight was 824kgs (about 2000lbs).....it actually weighed 50kgs all up (104lbs)....

Now, I can understand the confusion because of course Australia is the only country except the following
Afghanistan
Albania
Algeria
Andorra
Angola
Antigua and Barbuda
Argentina
Armenia
Aruba
Australia
Austria
Azerbaijan
Bahamas, The
Bahrain
Bangladesh
Barbados
Belarus
Belgium
Belize
Benin
Bhutan
Bolivia
Bosnia and Herzegovina
Botswana
Brazil
Brunei
Bulgaria
Burkina Faso
Burundi
Cambodia
Cameroon
Canada
Cabo Verde
Central African Republic
Chad
Chile
China
Colombia
Comoros
Congo, Democratic Republic of the
Congo, Republic of the
Costa Rica
Cote d'Ivoire
Croatia
Cuba
Curacao
Cyprus
Czechia
Denmark
Djibouti
Dominica
Dominican Republic
East Timor (see Timor-Leste)
Ecuador
Egypt
El Salvador
Equatorial Guinea
Eritrea
Estonia
Ethiopia
Fiji
Finland
France
Gabon
Gambia, The
Georgia
Germany
Ghana
Greece
Grenada
Guatemala
Guinea
Guinea-Bissau
Guyana
Haiti
Holy See
Honduras
Hong Kong
Hungary
Iceland
India
Indonesia
Iran
Iraq
Ireland
Israel
Italy
Jamaica
Japan
Jordan
Kazakhstan
Kenya
Kiribati
Korea, North
Korea, South
Kosovo
Kuwait
Kyrgyzstan
Laos
Latvia
Lebanon
Lesotho
Libya
Liechtenstein
Lithuania
Luxembourg
Macau
Macedonia
Madagascar
Malawi
Malaysia
Maldives
Mali
Malta
Marshall Islands
Mauritania
Mauritius
Mexico
Micronesia
Moldova
Monaco
Mongolia
Montenegro
Morocco
Mozambique
Namibia
Nauru
Nepal
Netherlands
New Zealand
Nicaragua
Niger
Nigeria
North Korea
Norway
Oman
Pakistan
Palau
Palestinian Territories
Panama
Papua New Guinea
Paraguay
Peru
Philippines
Poland
Portugal
Qatar
Romania
Russia
Rwanda
Saint Kitts and Nevis
Saint Lucia
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines
Samoa
San Marino
Sao Tome and Principe
Saudi Arabia
Senegal
Serbia
Seychelles
Sierra Leone
Singapore
Sint Maarten
Slovakia
Slovenia
Solomon Islands
Somalia
South Africa
South Korea
South Sudan
Spain
Sri Lanka
Sudan
Suriname
Swaziland
Sweden
Switzerland
Syria
Taiwan
Tajikistan
Tanzania
Thailand
Timor-Leste
Togo
Tonga
Trinidad and Tobago
Tunisia
Turkey
Turkmenistan
Tuvalu
Uganda
Ukraine
United Arab Emirates
United Kingdom
Uruguay
Uzbekistan
Vanuatu
Venezuela
Vietnam
Yemen
Zambia
Zimbabwe

Who use the metric system...... easy mistake to make. At least we got the package.. Unlike the time I had a package freighted to me from a certain person in Milwaukee. When I enquired as to where it might be he sent me a screen shot of the tracking advice, it was in Vienna, Austria..... small matter of the missing "Al"...we're just lucky it didn't go to Alabama because there's no getting out of there.....

moving on.....
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: tauruck on April 01, 2017, 12:09:37 AM
$h*t happens to some of the nicest people. :evil:

I'm not that nice but been a victim too.
I'm sure you'll get it sorted?.

Nice box and I hope it's everything you need.
 :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: WOODY@DDLLC on April 01, 2017, 08:45:11 AM
Inch/metric cost these guys $125,000,000!  :-o :-o :-o
https://mars.nasa.gov/msp98/news/mco990930.html
Now we know the guy who made this error works for UPS!  :-D :-D :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on April 01, 2017, 06:21:14 PM
I'm about 20 emails deep with UPS so far  :dhorse:
once I paid the ransom they demanded for fright, they deliverd it, within two hours
I got the tape measure out and compared it to the measurments given.
I then re commenced the emails and recieved and admission.
Now I just have to chase the refund.
I'm not finished with them yet
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on April 01, 2017, 06:49:27 PM
I'm about 20 emails deep with UPS so far  :dhorse:
once I paid the ransom they demanded for fright, they deliverd it, within two hours
I got the tape measure out and compared it to the measurments given.
I then re commenced the emails and recieved and admission.
Now I just have to chase the refund.
I'm not finished with them yet
G
There's something wrong with your E.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stan Back on April 01, 2017, 06:57:30 PM
Notice what finger you raise up and use to type an E.

Maybe it's worn out for signaling UPS.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on April 05, 2017, 05:52:34 PM
Nothing wrong with it.

I used fright with UPS and they didn't get it either
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on April 10, 2017, 06:54:27 AM
The world is wobbling further and further off it's stable rotational axis purely because of the sheer mass of tools the Colonel has. However, he didn't have a suitable combination to remove the sump on the new Chev. Despite being a dry-sump motor it had a sump that held an F-Load of oil ( that's a metric measurement) and also required fixtures that were plugged with threaded bungs because of the large extension on one side of the sump that extended out past the skirt.. On top of that they are 12 point, 5/16. Uncle Goggles bought a set of deep 12 point 1/4 drive sockets and over the weekend the Colonel got the sump off....our plan is to go with the cast Indy style low profile job that came with it, it is 3 inches lower and substantially narrower......here is what he found....nothing unexpected, just nice tuff bits....
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/FB_IMG_1491819351812_zpsxa26zf6l.jpg)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on April 10, 2017, 09:53:42 AM
That's a serious looking assembly.  :cheers:

So are F-loads used to measure both oil quantities and tool weight - "load" being an undefined quantity, yet metric?

Why I ask is that Kate has occasionally described my auto parts pile in terms of "metric F-tons", which I believe are heavier than American short tons.  I haven't worked out the conversions yet, but it's undoubtedly plural.

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on April 10, 2017, 10:22:48 AM
Geez, you guys talk funny.  Up here in the UP the term would be "shit tons".  What's this F stuff?  Must mean "foreign". :? :? :? :? :? :?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on April 10, 2017, 05:37:18 PM
Geez, you guys talk funny.  Up here in the UP the term would be "Subaru tons".  What's this F stuff?  Must mean "foreign". :? :? :? :? :? :?
We use the "F" scale in Idaho too, it's an international measurement.
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on April 11, 2017, 05:48:55 AM
I would also mention that there was f loads of silicone holding the sump (oil pan) on
and it took some serious standing on one foot facing north and holding my mouth right to get it off
I can see that there were never any plans to see it leak any oil
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on April 11, 2017, 11:02:11 AM
Oil has been know to enlist the help of dry sump pumps to suck it inside so that the oil then can get out   :-o
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on April 12, 2017, 12:11:08 AM
One thing I will say, those hell-stout main caps are going to make it difficult to get a standing wave going in the crank like the last motor I wrecked. It put paid to the comments about us never going to go fast with one of those motors, and it sure turned a few things a lovely shade of blue. The oil that got out that time wasn't anything to do with pressure differentials, it just went to see where the crank snout seal had gone.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: tauruck on April 20, 2017, 11:06:54 PM
That's an F load of good stuff in that motor.
I wish you guys many miles of Fun. :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on April 23, 2017, 08:11:38 PM
Hey Colonel,

I just checked the tracking on the starter motor that's coming from Ohio, they've sent it UPS....... I'm just worried that they've entered the dimensions which were stated in mm in chains, I suspect that is why the USS Vinson is headed this way, the estimated weight is 3500 short tons.

Which reminds me, have UPS returned the ransom on the gearbox yet?......Australia is at the top of the shit list for US multinationals after this judgement (http://www.smh.com.au/business/the-economy/chevron-appeal-in-federal-court-against-multimillion-dollar-tax-bill-kicks-off-20170228-gumy53.html) so maybe they're keeping it .......


I reckon it will arrive this week, we can fit up the motor box and starter and make a start cutting and shutting the exhaust for the closer confines of the belly of the beast.......
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on April 23, 2017, 10:53:14 PM
Keep the primary pipe length close to what they are if you can Gogg's, it's bound to be right for that eng.
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on April 24, 2017, 01:36:15 AM
Keep the primary pipe length close to what they are if you can Gogg's, it's bound to be right for that eng.
  Sid.

Here's my plan, they have to tuck tighter to the block than they currently are, that means taking something out of them before they turn downward. I figure the smartest thing to do would be to work out which has the least we can take and chop that length out of all of them then add a piece in the vertical section of the same length.

Obviously there'll be some license there because the main job is to make 'em fit. We will then lop the end off the collector back to the taper and take them to our tail pipe. Had to get the starter motor first because that's a pinch point... I got a reduction starter with a nice small motor but still rated for up to 18:1 a standard one wouldn't turn that motor.

Hey Colonel, I bought you some mig wire too, well I bought it for me, forgetting my machine only takes 5kg rolls. :roll:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on April 24, 2017, 11:48:09 AM
Hey Colonel,

I just checked the tracking on the starter motor that's coming from Ohio, they've sent it UPS....... I'm just worried that they've entered the dimensions which were stated in mm in chains, I suspect that is why the USS Vinson is headed this way, the estimated weight is 3500 short tons.

Which reminds me, have UPS returned the ransom on the gearbox yet?......


I'm 55 emails in
I've got it down from $2174.40 to $1285.99
I haven't sworn (cursed) at anyone yet
I think only a few of them have blocked me

Did you buy it from Summit?
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on April 24, 2017, 04:06:23 PM
Keep the primary pipe length close to what they are if you can Gogg's, it's bound to be right for that eng.
  Sid.

Here's my plan, they have to tuck tighter to the block than they currently are, that means taking something out of them before they turn downward. I figure the smartest thing to do would be to work out which has the least we can take and chop that length out of all of them then add a piece in the vertical section of the same length.

Obviously there'll be some license there because the main job is to make 'em fit. We will then lop the end off the collector back to the taper and take them to our tail pipe. Had to get the starter motor first because that's a pinch point... I got a reduction starter with a nice small motor but still rated for up to 18:1 a standard one wouldn't turn that motor.

Hey Colonel, I bought you some mig wire too, well I bought it for me, forgetting my machine only takes 5kg rolls. :roll:
If you don't have some collector length it will kill the scavenge effect in the primaries & a too smaller tail pipe will choke it down even more. Collector length can be the non straight transition section to the tail pipe & the tail pipe will need to be bigger than the 3.8 required. This new bullet you have is likely to move twice as much air as the old one. Don't choke the bitch down Mate.
  Sid.
   
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on April 24, 2017, 05:29:24 PM
Hey Colonel,

I just checked the tracking on the starter motor that's coming from Ohio, they've sent it UPS....... I'm just worried that they've entered the dimensions which were stated in mm in chains, I suspect that is why the USS Vinson is headed this way, the estimated weight is 3500 short tons.

Which reminds me, have UPS returned the ransom on the gearbox yet?......


I'm 55 emails in
I've got it down from $2174.40 to $1285.99
I haven't sworn (cursed) at anyone yet
I think only a few of them have blocked me

Did you buy it from Summit?
G

Summit like that.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on April 24, 2017, 05:37:02 PM
Keep the primary pipe length close to what they are if you can Gogg's, it's bound to be right for that eng.
  Sid.

Here's my plan, they have to tuck tighter to the block than they currently are, that means taking something out of them before they turn downward. I figure the smartest thing to do would be to work out which has the least we can take and chop that length out of all of them then add a piece in the vertical section of the same length.

Obviously there'll be some license there because the main job is to make 'em fit. We will then lop the end off the collector back to the taper and take them to our tail pipe. Had to get the starter motor first because that's a pinch point... I got a reduction starter with a nice small motor but still rated for up to 18:1 a standard one wouldn't turn that motor.

Hey Colonel, I bought you some mig wire too, well I bought it for me, forgetting my machine only takes 5kg rolls. :roll:
If you don't have some collector length it will kill the scavenge effect in the primaries & a too smaller tail pipe will choke it down even more. Collector length can be the non straight transition section to the tail pipe & the tail pipe will need to be bigger than the 3.8 required. This new bullet you have is likely to move twice as much air as the old one. Don't choke the bitch down Mate.
  Sid.
   


Not shortening the collector, just getting rid of the stubs that took it over the frame rail to exit in front of the roadsters cowl. The collector then has a taper which is probably to keep speed up and turbulence down, that'll stay, we had a 3 inch tailpipe before.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on April 25, 2017, 11:38:04 AM
One 3" pipe seems a bit small to me for all that engine. You might want to put a fitting in the front of that to hook up a locking tire (Tyre  :wink:) gauge so you can see that it's not a restriction after a WOT pass. If you start out with a copper line to bleed the heat off then a hose to the gauge it'll survive. Once you know it's ok toss it.
Did you get HP numbers with this engine?
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on April 25, 2017, 04:37:52 PM
Are you tekkin the puss knackers?

We were thinking of an energy polariser but your idea definitely has some merit.

480+ hp Sid,

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on April 25, 2017, 08:07:21 PM
That should put some spirit in your Spirit Mate. 8-)
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on April 30, 2017, 04:33:41 AM
Despite communication barriers and 40 miles the Colonel and I have managed to make some progress.

I ordered a gear reduction starter, even though UPS were involved in the transaction it arrived promptly and without extra exorbitant fees, it's about half the size of the original which is going to be useful when we have to route the exhaust.

Speaking of exhaust I went to Hi Tech exhausts in Sunshine yesterday and spoke to Duane about modifying the headers( which have two steps in them1$3/4- 1&7/8- 2. As I stood there with a header pipe and one of the collectors he said "we're both thinking the same thing aren't we, it comes down to the old adage about pigshit and strawberry jam, it doesn't matter how much sugar you put in it, it ain't strawberry jam"......and I had to agree. We will make new headers and use the collectors from the current exhaust, the current headers go too far out from the block, to fit in our car they need to turn quite sharply down and back. So we'll try and keep the same primary length and get them down to the collectors. Yesterday as we stared at the car the Col. and I discussed whether we would use the same long tailpipe which is as good as it gets for sending the exhaust into the wake but we've got 50% more power, likely 50% more heat.....we might take two pipes out low down pointing straight back either side of centre behind the axle, that would allow us to put the chute in a tube.

When I get there yesterday the box was bolted up to the scatter shield. Today the Colonel bolted it up to the motor and dropped it in.

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/motor%20and%20box%20in%20April%2017_zpst4qgvrk7.jpg)

It is sitting a little higher than it will when properly installed as the lower frame rails have not been moved yet.Hence the bottom of the scatter shield is sitting on the tubes, we also may be able to square off the bottom of the shield as well. Currently the issue is drive-line alignment in the vertical plane, can anyone tell us what the tolerance of the Greek coupler is, Sid?

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/pre-cut%20bottom%20rails%20new%20motor_zpsanwdkv8v.jpg)

There are spacers which move the water pump forward, this not a bellytank friendly situation. If they come out we'll be OK at the front, if we aren't we could go to a Davies Craig electric pump, at least they make them here....

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/Chev%20V6%20Waterpump_zpsxi0dfr34.jpg)

At the other end we're OK, there is enough room to manipulate the coupler but we will need to build a new gearbox crossmember....while we're here dig that neat Andy Welker designed and built shorty conversion for the G101 gearbox

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z187/fourdoorshitbox/rear%20of%20Gforce%20in%20car_zpsdk6rxozl.jpg)

There is also the small issue that the shift tags on the new gearbox are on the other side..now for most of the viewers here that might seem like a nightmare possibility but we grow up shifting with our left hand so changing the gear-shift to the left of the car would be no big deal. Why do we have to change it? well we might not but there are precious few opportunities to get a morse cable across the car, unless we run forward and around the car to the left hand side....
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on April 30, 2017, 11:49:38 AM
You guys ALWAYS do a great job on dishing the details.  :cheers:

Personally, I'd move the shifter - the shorter and more directly you can make the linkage, the less monkey motion you'll have.

Simplicity=reliability.

Conversely, is dinkin' around with an unnecessarily long shift cable something you're willing to mess with under a tent on the salt?




Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on April 30, 2017, 08:23:23 PM
are you thinking about "forgetting" the radius rods?  :-o
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on May 01, 2017, 12:53:37 AM
Greek couplers don't like to run out of line for long, build a temporary lineup sleeve to get the installation done. If you can't get down that far with the new package you might have to change the pinion angle to make it work.
  Sid. 
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on May 01, 2017, 03:35:55 AM
Greek couplers don't like to run out of line for long, build a temporary lineup sleeve to get the installation done. If you can't get down that far with the new package you might have to change the pinion angle to make it work.
  Sid. 

Changing the pinion angle is something that seems a lot easier than it is......
are you thinking about "forgetting" the radius rods?  :-o

Ours are just watts links out of a sedan
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: tauruck on May 01, 2017, 05:49:02 AM
Looks good James in spite off the niggles.
I know you guys will get around any problems as you always do.
 :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on May 01, 2017, 11:28:42 AM
do the techies require you to run the axle braces?  look like more drag to me
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on May 01, 2017, 11:40:26 AM
Looks like loosing the Cheby water pump might be a good decision to get your package further forward & those Davies Craig pumps do a great job.
I see what you mean about your diff being nailed in there Mate! If you end up having to rotate it, do you have enough room to wack the axle housings off beside the head & weld it up at the appropriate angle?
Having the shifter in my left hand is still more natural to me after all these years of driving on the wrong side of the road, both the tank & the liner are on the left side.
  Sid.  
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Rex Schimmer on May 01, 2017, 01:40:41 PM
I agree with Sparky, the rear radius rods are redundant, the stiffness and strength of just the rearend axle tubes are far more than you will ever need for keeping the wheels pointed forward. If you are not sure just send me the OD, wall thickness and length and I can do deflection and stress calculations to make you feel better.

Rex
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on May 01, 2017, 04:50:37 PM
My opinion, the rear radius rods are at an extreme angle which presents an elliptical shape to the air flow plus they break the air before the 3" dia axle tube that is 90deg to flow. If you remove them without adding an axle fairing drag would likely increase.
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on May 01, 2017, 05:06:56 PM
Yeah, when it was built they wanted the radius rods.I'd lean toward Sid's opinion myself... Some may remember that this is a GM housing with Ford axles and tubes. We had some hollow bar turned down and pulled it into the axle tubes from the housing, at a minimum it's 5/8 wall, it is very much Over-engineered.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stan Back on May 01, 2017, 07:13:14 PM
L'tle ballast never hurt anybody.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: salt27 on May 01, 2017, 08:48:27 PM
Instead of building a new crossmember for the gearbox would it be better to utilize the mounts on the scattershield?

  Don
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on May 01, 2017, 09:10:51 PM
L'tle ballast never hurt anybody.
We talkin women or Bonneville cars young Stan? :-D
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on May 02, 2017, 04:46:24 AM
L'tle ballast never hurt anybody.
We talkin women or Bonneville cars young Stan? :-D
  Sid.

As long as it's respectful were open for both kinds of blabber, I've raced flyweights, middleweights and the upper classes, there is no discernible correlation between their ballast and their propensity to stay the right way up. Some of those crashes I'll happily admit were down to my driving, others had built handling problems, some the direct fault of others and the rest were just down to acts of god.

The Colonel's correspondence on this matter should be ignored, likewise the Reverend's.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Peter Jack on May 02, 2017, 05:18:26 AM
I'm not trying to be a smart a$$ but would this not be a good time to rebuild the back of the car such that the rear axle bolts in? This would not only allow you an easier way to change the pinion angle but you could carry a spare axle assembly so you didn't have to go through the major work you have to do now to change a ratio.

Pete
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on May 02, 2017, 07:05:07 AM
What is a likely change Pete is that we will sandwich the main supports for the rear end so we can tilt it away for a ratio change. We're not taking an extra rear assembly with us.

We aren't sure that the pinion angle is wrong , yet.

That arrangement that we have may seem to some brutal and dumb. However there is some reasoning. As the car has no suspension it would be problematic if the rear end wasn't as stiff as it is because it would steer the car when it was loaded up, brutal and dumb, but the car drives straight.

Some would wonder why we didn't bolt it in in the first place?...... I dunno.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: awelker on May 02, 2017, 03:15:27 PM
I would stick with the radius rods and use them to your aero advantage.  These wonderfully fashioned foam board and duct tape rear axle fairings were good for a 4 mph increase.  The only downside was explaining to my wife why $10 of duct tape did more than any other changes I had made which cost just a bit more.


(https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8094/29296173020_9485338016_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/LCNxzo)Speedweek 2016 (https://flic.kr/p/LCNxzo) by Andrew Welker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/vonwelker/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on May 02, 2017, 04:39:44 PM
That my friend got a lot of laughs at our place. :-D :-D :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on May 02, 2017, 06:19:28 PM
Now there's a solution to a problem neither of us had thought about
and it looks good
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on May 02, 2017, 08:04:33 PM
Now there's a solution to a problem neither of us had thought about
and it looks good
G

You just haven't looked closely enough in my sketch book, I was thinking about it again the other day :wink:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on May 02, 2017, 08:55:50 PM
 :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: wheelrdealer on May 02, 2017, 09:07:47 PM
I love the duct tape foam board axle streamlining but I am looking at the polish job on that tank must have taken a lot of time and a ton of compound.

BR
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on May 03, 2017, 12:22:49 AM
It's a stunning ride, no two ways about it :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: tauruck on May 03, 2017, 03:25:12 AM
Damn straight. Fairings in Yellow for Sunshine. :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: stay`tee on May 03, 2017, 05:16:13 AM
lookin at that photo, I would say "cool"  :-)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: awelker on May 03, 2017, 10:33:59 AM
Full credit on the polish job goes to my father in-law, he's very meticulous and kept requesting finer compounds and a better polisher until it got to its end result.

I also did a front axle fairing, just a bit better construction than the foam board, based on an NACA profile.  I rebuilt the entire front axle and suspension to get to a straight round tube axle to make it easier to streamline. Looks like an aero improvement but not enough results to determine how much of a difference it made.

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4184/34385882626_d47a77ed45_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/UoyCVh)Untitled (https://flic.kr/p/UoyCVh) by Andrew Welker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/vonwelker/), on Flickr
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4176/33585401114_5235677b42_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/TaPXDU)Untitled (https://flic.kr/p/TaPXDU) by Andrew Welker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/vonwelker/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: tauruck on May 03, 2017, 01:44:02 PM
That's some serious engineering.
Looks great. You raised the bar. :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on May 03, 2017, 06:27:26 PM
I was woondering if we took the axle fairings to the inside of the wheel, could someone protest it and make it run as a streamliner
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on May 03, 2017, 07:55:24 PM
Full credit on the polish job goes to my father in-law, he's very meticulous and kept requesting finer compounds and a better polisher until it got to its end result.

I also did a front axle fairing, just a bit better construction than the foam board, based on an NACA profile.  I rebuilt the entire front axle and suspension to get to a straight round tube axle to make it easier to streamline. Looks like an aero improvement but not enough results to determine how much of a difference it made.

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4184/34385882626_d47a77ed45_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/UoyCVh)Untitled (https://flic.kr/p/UoyCVh) by Andrew Welker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/vonwelker/), on Flickr
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4176/33585401114_5235677b42_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/TaPXDU)Untitled (https://flic.kr/p/TaPXDU) by Andrew Welker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/vonwelker/), on Flickr

of course you did!
 :roll: :roll:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on May 03, 2017, 08:23:13 PM
I was woondering if we took the axle fairings to the inside of the wheel, could someone protest it and make it run as a streamliner
G
Yes that would be illegal but if you do a stationary moon disc on the back side of the wheel & run the fairing into that you would be legal because everything would be inboard of the wheel.
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: ggl205 on May 03, 2017, 08:51:22 PM
Sid, doesn't the rulebook say no fairing can go beyond the narrowest inner vertical plane of the ties? If the end of this fairing does not penetrate the inner vertical plane of the tire (not wheel), it is legal. If it does, the fairing needs to be trimmed back.

John
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on May 04, 2017, 12:57:16 AM
Remember also: Just because it's not a legal Lakester doesn't automatically make it a legal Streamliner. Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on May 04, 2017, 05:27:02 AM
Remember also: Just because it's not a legal Lakester doesn't automatically make it a legal Streamliner. Wayno

Hey you,

you still in Crazyfornia?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on May 04, 2017, 08:36:11 AM
Yes I am. I brought the Tank back down last weekend. Finishing re-assembly for the May El Mirage meet. Made some changes to the motor which should prove interesting. Bigger cam, better (not bigger) valves and I removed a pound and a half of reciprocating mass from the valve train. Stay tooned.  :cheers:
Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on May 04, 2017, 11:27:24 AM
Sid, doesn't the rulebook say no fairing can go beyond the narrowest inner vertical plane of the ties? If the end of this fairing does not penetrate the inner vertical plane of the tire (not wheel), it is legal. If it does, the fairing needs to be trimmed back.

John
Yep, we're all reading the same rule John. Use the convex shape of a Moon disc to transition the wheel/tire to the wing. If the disc is mounted to the wheel, mount the center of it to the end of the wing then it's clear of the inner plane.

  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on July 13, 2017, 03:41:16 AM
Yep, we were all thinking of a flat disc that sat inside the line of the wheel

In other news, after a disagreement with photobucket over the value of my 86 photos, it would seem that I no longer have a phptobucket account
so if you are reading back thru the blog and find all my photo's are  missing, you now know why
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on July 17, 2017, 04:51:24 AM
So , I did some work on the tank on the weekend. Just working out where the new frame rails will go
Goggs has pictures.
In the middle of it I get a message about these http://www.landracing.com/forum/index.php/topic,16759.0/topicseen.html
Well, I'll take them, only problem is getting hold of the guy from this side of the world is proving difficult.
Can anyone help
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on July 17, 2017, 09:13:55 AM
G, I sent Mike a message, told him you wanted the tires and I would pick them at SpeedWeek if they were still available.  Anybody from the BIG island shipping a container back and forth this year?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stan Back on July 17, 2017, 11:41:40 AM
I can't find a one in the pre-enters.  That other smaller island has lots -- would that help?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on July 17, 2017, 08:00:48 PM
Stan, the island in South Texas is a long way from the one in East Texas...  :roll:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on July 18, 2017, 05:06:40 AM
So , I did some work on the tank on the weekend. Just working out where the new frame rails will go
Goggs has pictures.
In the middle of it I get a message about these http://www.landracing.com/forum/index.php/topic,16759.0/topicseen.html
Well, I'll take them, only problem is getting hold of the guy from this side of the world is proving difficult.
Can anyone help
G

He only went out to the shed because there was an IKEA clusterf*** happening inside.

Meanwhile at the Lancespeed Skunkworks I'm still halfway through the kitchen renovation....on Sunday while we had a neighbour helping us lift the 200lb casement window into place I managed to tip a stepladder over which I then fell on top of, I survived that relatively unscathed. It was as when I picked it up to reinstate it that it closed and pinched a piece of meat out of my middle finger tip that I was forced to make some incantations.

So , I did some work on the tank on the weekend. Just working out where the new frame rails will go
Goggs has pictures.
You don't need the tub to set those frame members as long as they are straight they'll fit within the skin.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on July 18, 2017, 05:13:27 AM
G, I sent Mike a message, told him you wanted the tires and I would pick them at SpeedWeek if they were still available.  Anybody from the BIG island shipping a container back and forth this year?

Thanks Stainless
I think I need to buy them first and then work out the shipping second
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on July 18, 2017, 05:15:31 AM

You don't need the tub to set those frame members as long as they are straight they'll fit within the skin.

Yes, but I want as much space as i can get
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on July 18, 2017, 05:26:44 AM
You're talking about the IKEA wardrobe now yeah?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on July 19, 2017, 06:23:30 PM
You're talking about the IKEA wardrobe now yeah?

You have no Ikea how full it is

Stainless, I bought the tyres and there going to be delivered to Bonneville
I'll PM you the details
This means I'll have to make the little machine fast now
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on July 19, 2017, 10:39:12 PM
Cool  :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on September 10, 2017, 06:08:02 PM
We haven't been posting for a while.
It's not that we havn't been doing any thing
Goggles has put wheels on his stove
And I have put up some plaster and cornice

However, I'm on the hunt for a concentric clutch slave with a 1.75" ID , to work a 7" clutch
Anybody have any ideas?
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on September 10, 2017, 06:58:09 PM
I'd suggest a SAAB 900, but I think it's to small in diameter. 

Tilton makes 3 or 4 different 44mm units.  I have a stocking dealer up the street.  They're never cheap, but they're pretty failsafe.  I used their master cylinder on the clutch for the Frankensprite.

https://www.pegasusautoracing.com/advcat.asp?CategoryID=TILTONHRB

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Freud on September 10, 2017, 07:25:35 PM
Midget, they have a lot of time.

No need to bust it.

FREUD
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on September 11, 2017, 06:28:54 AM
I'd suggest a SAAB 900, but I think it's to small in diameter. 

Tilton makes 3 or 4 different 44mm units.  I have a stocking dealer up the street.  They're never cheap, but they're pretty failsafe.  I used their master cylinder on the clutch for the Frankensprite.

https://www.pegasusautoracing.com/advcat.asp?CategoryID=TILTONHRB



A stocking dealer hey?..........

Yes, wheels on my stove...don't ask.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on September 12, 2017, 06:05:52 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0qagA4_eVQ

G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on October 31, 2017, 05:20:59 AM
We had Don Jackson, Sandra and daughter Amelia stay with us over the weekend. We took them for a food and wine safari around the Macedon Ranges where we live, the day need with us following a kangaroo for a few hundred metres as it hopped along a road near our place. On Sunday Don and I snuck off visiting a few hot-rodder mates and finally arriving at the Colonel's to S3 the Spirit of Sunshine.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/xCCHltRKzTOGacQq1
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: salt27 on November 06, 2017, 12:32:12 AM
And a good time it was.   :cheers:
Thank you much, Don

P.S. I think Sandra made off with your Maurice Frawley cd
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on November 06, 2017, 03:57:26 PM
Can't recommend it more highly, I reckon if you like Chuck Prophet you'll like Maurice.

In other news relevant to this thread I ordered a flex-plate and some clutch consumables last night....today I'm going to make my fortune on the Melbourne Cup.....
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on November 08, 2017, 04:37:36 AM
and the motor and gearbox is resting in place , without cutting up the car. and using the Greeck Coupler that Sid sent
Now if I still had a photobucket account I could send pictures
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on November 08, 2017, 05:14:08 AM
Sorry but you have to click the link. Google doesn't let me embed pictures yet
G

https://photos.app.goo.gl/wmAf6DEvoU5qfr6h1

https://photos.app.goo.gl/o8j5iXmYNXAORah82
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on November 08, 2017, 11:42:47 AM
Hell yeah, that fits good Mate!
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on November 08, 2017, 04:00:08 PM
I'm going to shorten the coupling a bit and move the engine back some more
G

https://photos.app.goo.gl/PYd6KJZO7JTpqHZ72
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stan Back on November 08, 2017, 06:44:06 PM
These photos don't work for me -- shall I throw in another bucket of coal?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: salt27 on November 08, 2017, 09:16:40 PM
Grumm, looks like great progress.   :cheers:
Is there a chance for 2018?
It seemed like there was quite a bit to take care of.

Thanks for the tour, Don

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on November 08, 2017, 10:22:11 PM
Don, if he could get any decent help it'd be easy :dhorse:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Freud on November 08, 2017, 11:33:24 PM
Decent help is boring.

Raunchy help gets results.

FREUD
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on November 09, 2017, 12:09:49 AM
See that's what I reckon but the last time I turned up nude at the Colonel's he got all funny.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on November 09, 2017, 04:03:31 PM
See that's what I reckon but the last time I turned up nude at the Colonel's he got all funny.

I had run out of gloves

Stan, are you clicking on the link. Although they're not that interesting
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on November 10, 2017, 11:38:51 AM
I'm going to shorten the coupling a bit and move the engine back some more
G

https://photos.app.goo.gl/PYd6KJZO7JTpqHZ72
That chassis plate sure is a thick mutha! Are you going to be able to pull the trans without pulling engine or diff?
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on November 10, 2017, 09:13:07 PM

That chassis plate sure is a thick mutha! Are you going to be able to pull the trans without pulling engine or diff?
  Sid.

No Is the answer
the gearbox isn,t or shouldn't be a problem
the issue is always the diff. If we wand to change the final drive ratio, we have to pull the motor
I'm working on this. 

And Stan, I'm might have an issue with the shared drive that the pics are in. I'm looking into it

G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on November 11, 2017, 12:15:38 PM
I agree the trans is probably bullet proof, I was thinking more if you had a clutch issue. You could cut that plate down both sides & make it a bolt in.
What have you had fail in the 10 bolt?
Crack test used gears before you run them & there's a curdle available for the 7.5 10 bolt that prevents housing flex & supports the carrier caps, worth the money on these little diff's.
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on November 11, 2017, 04:53:57 PM
Nothing has failed on the 7.5's we had a pinion nut come loose on it once but nothing has let go. The only reason to go in there is ratio changes.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on November 12, 2017, 11:58:51 AM
We now put a spot weld our pinion nuts.

I have made my 7.5 rear axle so that I can pull it out the back of the car. I change complete axle housings, to change gear ratios using the same axles backing plates and brake drums--using a quick disconnect fitting in the brake line makes the brake bleeding much faster with a lot less fluid lost.

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on November 12, 2017, 01:33:20 PM
Using a solid pinion spacer & Loctite rather than a crush spacer should stop the nut backing off. With all this engine you have now I'm thinking you might want to come off the trailer with the 2.14's. How tall are your tyres? (spelling for Goggs) :-D
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on November 12, 2017, 09:14:18 PM
2.41:1 is 7000rpm@240mph.

2.14 is an ask for the 3/4 gear change with 28's on the back. Grumm has resisted my push for a 2.73 he wants to stay under 7500rpm.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on November 12, 2017, 09:59:05 PM
2.41:1 is 7000rpm@240mph.

2.14 is an ask for the 3/4 gear change with 28's on the back. Grumm has resisted my push for a 2.73 he wants to stay under 7500rpm.

What RPM do you need to make max power? 
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on November 13, 2017, 01:17:04 PM
28's, 7000, 1-1 trans & 2.41 =242mph. That's not enough gear for you or you'll have to rpm it. 7500 will get you to 259 & you still might run out of gear.
2.14 & 6500 gets you 253mph with spare rpm up your sleeve & I'll bet that engine has heaps of attitude down at 65k!
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: maj on November 15, 2017, 03:03:26 AM
And slip factor , 4-5%  ??
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on November 15, 2017, 04:19:28 AM
Goggles just want'ss to get in it and rev it to 9500
With the close ratio box, I don't see it being as much of a problem with the 3 to 4 gear change
Unless he stuffs it up, or I forget to tighten the pinion.

In previuos years I've had more time to mess around with final drive ratio's on the lake
But they keep finding jobs for me. And my normal motorcycle tech offsider has had some issues and couldn't make it this year
Although he let me know he will be ready to go for next March
So if i get my act together, I will have two cars on the lake and all the motorcycle competitors to deal with.
This may make my final drive ratio swap window very small.

There is some good news being that the Reverend is back in the country.
He is however not on the mainland, which makes it a long swim to my place.
but he has assured us he will be on the lake and ready to go.
So not only will he get to put his E/FL record up where no one can get it for a few years
but he will be able to help with any final drive ratio changes that may be required
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on November 15, 2017, 05:44:35 AM
And slip factor , 4-5%  ??

Thus far the car has been pretty much.hooked up,part of the legacy of good aero and not much power.

That might change so yeah 5% is probably fair.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: wobblywalrus on November 15, 2017, 08:51:48 AM
A rough track with a lot more power was my situation this year.  Usually there is minimal wheel slip and the gearing was set without considering it.  The wheel did slip, the engine hit the rev limiter, and this put a limit on the top speed.

The flip side of the coin is the tractive force is reduced with tall gearing.  if the reduction ratio is too small to start with and you do not get the anticipated wheel spin, you could'a gone faster.

Being prepared for a gear swap, like you are doing, is a good idea.  It is hard to get the ratio right until a run is made and there is a chance to get some data and do some figuring. 
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on November 15, 2017, 04:04:07 PM
 heay]r yea!   tractive force is reduced with tall gearing.   
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stan Back on November 15, 2017, 05:41:05 PM
Well, for years, at Bonneville, I always figured tire growth covered clutch slippage and tire slippage (that's on a good course).  Nothing to look at for the last 4 miles, so I had the tach reading pretty much nailed down.  My old Isky Dream Wheel was always within a mile or two.  I hear there are computer programs that can do that with about the same accuracy.

Stan
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on November 15, 2017, 10:04:11 PM
When you see the young folk staring at those smart phones they have Jim it's because they're using the gearing/tire size/revs app to work out how fast they can go....
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on November 20, 2017, 10:08:20 AM
When you see the young folk staring at those smart phones they have Jim it's because they're using the gearing/tire size/revs app to work out how fast they can go....

Are you sure they're not playing "Pokémon Go", or maybe "Hearthstone: Heroes of Warcraft"?

I think they're playing Pokémon Go.

Pretty darned certain of it, actually . . .
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: WhiskersMagee on December 27, 2017, 12:31:08 PM
Entertaining thread, when do you plan on running next?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on December 27, 2017, 05:39:21 PM
Entertaining thread, when do you plan on running next?

The plan is for March 2018
But as per usual, there are holdups
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 02, 2018, 02:54:47 PM
Happy New Year campers.

Pow wow at the Colonel's yesterday.
My current job's activity line will cross the zero point on the y axis in about three months and so we are going to go hard and try and get this thing sorted before Speedweek 2018.

I'll drop the exhaust in today G.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on January 03, 2018, 12:15:19 AM
Entertaining thread, when do you plan on running next?

The plan is for March 2018
But as per usual, there are holdups
G

So how many holdups does Doc G have to commit to get the finances together  :roll:  :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 03, 2018, 03:08:42 AM
Just one good one
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Speed Limit 1000 on January 03, 2018, 05:57:22 PM
Just one good one

 :cheers: An armored car or two might do :cheers:

Johnboy
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 03, 2018, 06:06:53 PM
You guys know the rub. Imagine a ridiculous amount of money and a reasonable amount of time and multiply them by a random number greater than two.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on January 03, 2018, 08:30:32 PM
Doc G, I always say you will spend $0 more than you think.... it never seems to be 2, 4, or 6 times more....
So just add the 0 to the end and get it over with....  :roll:  :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 04, 2018, 05:25:31 PM
Yesterday we pressed on.
 
There is a primordial gearbox mount, the engine mounts are in.

I pulled out the morse cables that worked the old shift. They didn't do all the work, they weren't long enough. From the gear-stick were foot long rods, then morse going through the firewall and along the mid bar, then some more rod. The whole lot was made from a Holden Gemini shift that I bought at a junk sale for $15. These then acted on an extension axle from the shift tabs themselves, this helped by making the action 90 degrees, that said, I was the only person who could find the gears.....Sorry Rev. :evil:

So, as the shift for the new G Force is on the other side we figured mongrelizing a mongrel system was probably going further than a pair of guys used to pushing it a bit far would be prepared to go. I went looking for a suitable pair of morse cables...... I have ordered a pair of 12ft B&M shift cables that will go ALL THE WAY......
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on January 12, 2018, 11:13:57 AM
Soooo Dr. G, did you take a little holiday and go riding on the Blue Suede Shoes Express?  8-)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 12, 2018, 03:42:35 PM
Hey Bill, you can do anything but don't step on my blue suede shoes....

I'm going to The Colonelseum today, points of order.

1./ Make as much noise as possible so Mrs Colonel has to get out of bed.
2./ plan and execute new gear shift.
3./ Make decision of canopy  fastening, redevelop or redesign.
4./ test fit water-tank.


Just watch me now.........

In other news I've heard some idle talk that Johnboy and Stainless are planning on coming to Gairdner.......Wayno?

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on January 12, 2018, 05:17:17 PM


1./ Make as much noise as possible so Mrs Colonel has to get out of bed.



And the Wes the cat, he's gone back to bed as well
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 13, 2018, 05:02:10 AM
We got a lot done today.
Gearshift is well under way.
The canopy shuts properly again.
Big decision made. The water tank is going to be replaced by a radiator and fan. It was too long and replacement or modification is more work than we have time for.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: bones on January 13, 2018, 10:00:14 AM
Hey  Doc
You should be able to get any length Morse cable made with any ends you need in Melbourne.
My mate in Tassie have a business , cable mate,   The business is still there but he bought most of his stock and parts from Melbourne.
They have everything for cables.
I will. Contact him for details.

See you at the lake.      Bones
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on January 13, 2018, 12:06:38 PM
We're (K.C. and me) working on it. I'll talk to Gus, too.  :wink:
Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 13, 2018, 03:01:10 PM
Excell ent news Wayno! Bones we've got some, all sorted.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on January 15, 2018, 07:52:46 AM
Things are falling into place nicely. As it turns out K.C. doesn't have to be back to work until the 2nd of April giving us time to visit a bunch of friends whom have been to my house over here.  :cheers: Unfortunately, Gus can't make it.  :-( Maybe next time.
Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: bones on January 15, 2018, 09:21:19 AM
Wayno

     Does this mean you are coming to Aus?
   
      Bones
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on January 15, 2018, 10:37:27 AM
Yes. I tried to call you yesterday and got "The Message". I've got some questions. I'll email you.  :cheers:
Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on January 15, 2018, 07:56:19 PM
Bones doesn't seem to be saying what country he's in at the moment!  8-) Madagascar was it Mate? :|
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on January 15, 2018, 09:04:16 PM
I hope them Madagascadonians know what they're in for.  :roll:
Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 15, 2018, 09:44:18 PM
Wayno, we're just a little bit excited over here...... :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 15, 2018, 09:54:45 PM
Shame Gustav can't make it, what's he up to?....eating salt and vinegar chips and ahem, standing up in a hammock?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on January 15, 2018, 10:22:03 PM
He's doing all that stuff simultaneously.  :cheers: K.C. will negotiate tomorrow when she can get off work so as to plan our escape. Our rough plan is to hire a minivan so as to have accommodation while there. We will also have a couple weeks after Speed Week to travel about and visit other friends. There will of course be music. We'll talk after we find out her schedule. This is gonna be fun.  :-D
Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: bones on January 16, 2018, 08:29:09 AM
Wayno
 I am in Marrakech
 Taking it very easy 😁
I'll be back in the US on January 23.
I have WhatsApp if you want to try.

Cheers. Bones
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on January 16, 2018, 09:37:29 AM
Bones, I have no idea what that is.  :roll: Does your email work?
Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: bones on January 16, 2018, 11:07:30 AM
Yep
   Email is good.
What's app is a phone using data app. It works well even
In Africa

    Cheers.  Bones
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 16, 2018, 02:40:46 PM
Marrakesh, Stateside, did you win the casket Bones?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: bones on January 17, 2018, 05:43:47 PM
I wish Doc.
I have my son and his mates renting my house.
Just getting by. But f#&@ it's good not to have to go to work.
Gonna do a couple of months work after Speed Week.
Need a bit of racing money.

Cheese Bones
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: stay`tee on January 17, 2018, 06:28:14 PM
Yuppiee Jetsetter  :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on January 17, 2018, 11:08:35 PM
Yuppiee Jetsetter  :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 18, 2018, 01:13:36 AM
What sort of cheese?
Wensleydale????

Good luck with yer house.... :oops:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 20, 2018, 04:33:46 PM
Yesterday.

We started with a general dismantling of our carefully constructed self images. There was much grunting and sighing as we staggered around, then I got a back spasm.........

After some pills, much jokes and some tubes of goo provided by fellow amateur expert invalid the Colonel...it brought to mind Frank Zappa's "Cozmik Debris"

The mystery man got nervous and he fidget around a bit
He reached in the pocket of his mystery robe
And he whipped out a shaving kit
Now I thought it was a razor
And a can of foaming goo
But he told me right then when the top popped open
There was nothin' his box won't do
With the oil of aphrodite, and the dust of the grand wazoo
He said you might not believe this, little fella
But it'll cure your asthma too


So once that was kind of sorted out we went our separate ways, me to the front, he to the back. I worked on replacing the important parts of the brake system, new master cylinder and after that new wheel cylinders. One day someone will make line nuts for bundy tube that don't form an atomic inter-valent bond with the cheesium that brake components are cast from but until then I'll be happy to complain about how they are always in a position that makes it impossible to get a useful tool anywhere near them. It was MAP gas time....and re-freezing courtesy of an aerosol air-duster.....that took care of that, then I noticed that the ball flare on the end of the line was not a ball anymore, I had a practise run at making a nice ball flare before I cut it off and put the line nut back on, sweet.

Down the other end The Colonel was finishing the business end of the new gear shift, with only 5% of the moving parts that the old one had there is a palpable sense of excitement that we might be able to wring all four gears out of this new box...... It was soon discovered that the whole thing operates beautifully but all the gears are in different positions.....

After seeing to the wheel cylinders it was time to bleed the brakes, the pedal didn't seem to want to return, that minor issue was rectified and we were soon underway.....

Then the job that no-one was looking forward to. The rocker covers on this motor are big enough to attach an outboard to and to take fishing so expecting them to fit within the shut line of the cowl was always going to be an ask. I'd been wrestling with the solution to this......flop a fibreglass mold of the whole cowl?......

We had a yeast and barley based elixir and I took up the 5 inch grinder, pussy footing around wasn't going to get this car to Gairdner. I cut off the scoop which was too far forward and not wide enough to cover the velocity stacks. Then we cut an opening appropriate for the induction. Once we had it sitting back on the car the interruption between the covers and the cowl were easier to see. We marked them and cut a window in each side, a tiny bit more adjustment and it buttoned up.

Today? I'm back in Lancefield, I have some hammers and some Al, let's see how this turns out :cheers:

Once again we have to say thanks to the marvellous Andy Welker for his suggestion to investigate Schroth Harnesses.

https://www.schrothracing.com/products/hybrid-iii#1595

I'd spent the better part of three weeks trying to get a sensible response from Simpson.. we wanted a seven point SFI, cam lock, all clip in anchor harness suitable for a HANS.... they just stopped returning my emails because overseas freight is too hard.
HMS just asked whether I had an address I could have for them to freight to, of course I did. They were prompt polite and the best bit? SFI certified on the day it was shipped....not six, eight, 12 months previously...... couldn't recommend their customer service more highly

 Brady Baxter Toll Free: 800-884-BELT
Phone: 978-774-1640
Fax: 978-304-4604
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on January 20, 2018, 05:37:36 PM
The only thing better is certified the month of the first use...  :roll:
BTW JB and I bought tickets today.... we arrive the 8th.  Any last minute items that should be in our luggage?
 :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 20, 2018, 06:15:13 PM
bring as much "adaptability" as you can.... .    :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on January 20, 2018, 06:20:09 PM
It was soon discovered that the whole thing operates beautifully but all the gears are in different positions.....

I'd consider that a complete success.

I once installed an aftermarket shifter on a toploader, but I only got one gear, although it was in different positions.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on January 21, 2018, 11:36:40 AM
I built my first race car when I was 15 & used a flathead diff. First fire up I gave it a big rev, dumped the clutch & crashed into the bench. The diff was up side down. :roll:
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 23, 2018, 01:57:42 PM
Just found out that the SFI rating on the harness we are buying adds an extra $90USD  above the FIA approval. Now anyone who can out -gouge a business that is associated with Formula 1 has a cheek referring to themselves as "non-profit"...

In other news due to the urgency of the current work plan for the car and some problems that came up with my welder I've had to shell out for a new one. It has too many knobs.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: manta22 on January 23, 2018, 02:35:54 PM
Sid;

Don't feel bad. Andy Granatelli called a big press conference to unveil his new turbine Indy car. With great fanfare, the doors of the hanger were rolled back and his new car was driven out- and crashed right into the side of the door. The steering rack was upside-down.

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 23, 2018, 02:52:28 PM
.....my dad, showing me how to make the steering arrangement on a Billy cart work by crossing the ropes.....
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stan Back on January 23, 2018, 03:20:32 PM
"Billy cart" -- translation?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 23, 2018, 03:59:10 PM
https://www.urbandictionary.com/tags.php?tag=billy%20cart
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: 4-barrel Mike on January 23, 2018, 04:07:44 PM
(https://lynnwalsh.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/billy-cart-powerhouse-museum.jpg)   :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on January 23, 2018, 05:40:28 PM
And you had to cross the ropes 'cause you drive on the wrong side of the road over there?  :|
Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: salt27 on January 23, 2018, 07:13:05 PM
And you had to cross the ropes 'cause you drive on the wrong side of the road over there?  :|
Wayno

Funny thing, I was cautioned to steer to the left when walking on the sidewalks down under or risk head-ons.
I got so good at it that I was cussing the tourist that veared to the right.   :-D

  Don 
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 24, 2018, 04:16:21 AM
And you had to cross the ropes 'cause you drive on the wrong side of the road over there?  :|
Wayno

Trick question. Because I made a steering wheel, put the ropes under the floor and up to either side of the wheel.....SCIENCE! :-o :-o :-o :-o
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on January 24, 2018, 04:43:15 PM
And you had to cross the ropes 'cause you drive on the wrong side of the road over there?  :|
Wayno
You'll be the guy on the wrong side of the road when you get there Wayno, try not to kill anybody!
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 24, 2018, 05:31:16 PM
I'll be setting up a small stall on Gairdner to sell handy conversion devices for our northern hemisphere friends. I expect some good sales, I will be stocking the following.

* Welding goggles, useful when dealing with our currency notes which are printed on polymer, and in different colors....
* large wallet. Useful for replacing note clips, our currency notes are different sizes depending on denomination.
* Single lens 1:1 telescope with headclamp. reverses and inverts vision giving the impression of driving on the right( not wrong) side of the road with wheels pointing down.
* cotton wool. To be placed in ears, there's no point being able to hear Animal if you can't understand what he's saying it only makes interpreting his hand gestures more difficult.
* Large "PETROL" sticker to be placed above fuel filler, if you ask for "gas" you will be directed to the propane.
* Tattoo kit. Useful for tattooing "mobile" on the back of your hand, never ask anyone in Australia for their "cell number" Australians are very sensitive about being mistaken for prisoners.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Speed Limit 1000 on January 24, 2018, 07:38:04 PM
And you had to cross the ropes 'cause you drive on the wrong side of the road over there?  :|
Wayno
You'll be the guy on the wrong side of the road when you get there Wayno, try not to kill anybody!
  Sid.

 :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on January 24, 2018, 10:05:37 PM
James... mark me down for 1 of each.... and maybe double up on the ear wool.... I have trouble understanding folks from the US east coast... all y'all from the far island parts of south Texas are hard to understand  :-D
 :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 24, 2018, 11:08:20 PM
. Now Bob that sounds like a good idea and I know that this might sound a bit silly but before you go ahead get someone to check the haven't already got some in there in fact if you have get them to dig it out and check that there isn't some behind that already as well
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on January 25, 2018, 11:50:39 AM
Doc, I really don't hear well anyway due to 34 years of jet engine noise and flying in extremely noisy airplanes....
so generally I only hear the voices in my head...  :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 25, 2018, 01:53:40 PM
Doc, I really don't hear well anyway due to 34 years of jet engine noise and flying in extremely noisy airplanes....
so generally I only hear the voices in my head...  :cheers:

My whole life I've been accused of the double of talking too fast and mumbling, the truth is I'm surrrounded by deaf people.

Did I mention that you need to arrange a day as part of your entry requirements to the country? Most people put it on credit, they just offer up the day after they leave as their security time deposit, it of course is returned when you leave. A little planning can avoid any inconvenience and have distinct advantages......for example if you"ve ever thought "if I ever have a day like that again it"ll be too soon, then here"s your opportunity...and, on your way home, well, think about it, double up on a day where it's all wins...a 48 hour birthday?....2 wedding anniversaries?hmmmm;, actually, that could be fraught with problems.

Your man in Vegemitania, six hours ago, tomorrow.

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on January 25, 2018, 10:16:26 PM
Doc, been on that side of the line several times... like the place where America's day begins... and the footprint of freedom... with those aforementioned noisy airplanes.
So it takes 2 days to get there, but you return the same day.... We lose the 7th.... nothing planned that day anyway  8-)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 28, 2018, 02:53:33 PM
Got started with an attempt to close up the cowl where we windowed it to fit the rocker covers of the new Chev in. We could probably have got the motor a little lower, and a little further forward but at the critical moment our hair -splitting machine gave up the ghost. I put gaff tape over the holes and then a piece of fly wire, followed that with plaster. Hopefully we can lift the cowl off and glass the inside which will give us the minimum cover and then shape something up on the outside from there. It'd be really nice to shape something out of sheet aloooominumb but right now the clock is ticking....
The Colonel has built a new bracket for the DSP(thats dry sump pump, not disability support pension) as, try as we may we couldn't tension the belt. The pump body itself seemed to have a tiny bit of flex so the bracket was made of 3/8 plate and gussetted to minimize the force exacted on the pump itself.
Yesterday the administrator and I attacked the shed at the Lancefield Landspeed Labotomootory cockatoo practise range and Idiot Wonderland....house renovations are not forgiving on workshops... The successes include.
1./ I found the Moon discs(phew)
2./ My spray guns are all washed and ready to go
3./ You can walk around in there upright, and at normal walking pace, without a hazmat suit.
Less satisfying is my new inverter welder....can't get happy with the aluminium mig, if anyone needs replica birdshit i'm up to my ears in it here :x
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: maj on January 28, 2018, 03:11:42 PM
Only way i could make an aluminium mig work for me was turn the current and feed way up and move fast
 it still looks like cocky shit  but has some substance below
of you were closer i have a tig
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 28, 2018, 03:23:26 PM
I did the bodywork on my old one, crank it and go dot dot dot, looks like mongrel tig and has pretty good integrity.... The old one had a switchable amp setting and a wire feed knob...this one has three knobs. They are "burn", "stick" and "hole" C.O.A.T.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 28, 2018, 03:26:55 PM
Plus.
Just because I thought maybe I'd forgotten something I went and watched some instructional videos. Turns out all I'd forgotten is I am an experiential learner who cant be taught anything
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Peter Jack on January 28, 2018, 04:39:21 PM
I have oxy/acetylene, a mig spool gun and tig. The mig is definitely in third place for any sort of body work. I consider it useful only for heavier sections that need to be joined quickly. These can look pretty decent. The oxy/acetylene and tig both do really nice work but the former requires much more practice and greater hand skills.

Keep thrashing guys and good luck.

Pete
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 28, 2018, 09:34:03 PM
As I said above on light guage Al I'd use the mig cranked and hot spot it. Looks like tig, worked well. This new welder has a brain in it, thats great for jobbing when youre doing repetition work.

I can but weld 16g steel no probs, that's not so easy on Al because there's no heat spectrum...welding .050 to .080 with an inconsistant gap and a machine thatjust wants to pnch holes in the job, make smut and stick to the tip...its enough to make someone who is self described as occasionally impatient, HOMICIDAL :x
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: wobblywalrus on January 29, 2018, 01:38:06 AM
Why make things mental with welding?  Just use an extra layer of duct tape.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 29, 2018, 02:48:50 AM
Why make things mental with welding?  Just use an extra layer of duct tape.

Can I get a letter from you for the inspectors Bo?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: ggl205 on January 29, 2018, 11:12:36 AM
Pete:

I am a rank novice to TIG welding aluminum but am committed to learning how. After spending far too much time looking at video's on how to, I contacted a fellow here in Wichita who gave me some very helpful tips. One tip nobody mentioned in the how-to video's was to bring amps to around 180, then use the foot pedal to start putting heat into aluminum parts at lower amps. Once heat is in parts to be welded, begin bringing amps up with the foot pedal until you see the shinny puddle. Prior to this, I would either quickly burn a hole or never start the weld puddle. Does this sound reasonable to you?

John 
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Rex Schimmer on January 29, 2018, 02:00:41 PM
As I have said before: "TIG is for building race cars, MIG is for building trailers!"
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Peter Jack on January 29, 2018, 02:13:58 PM
Unfortunately I can't give you any numbers as my equipment is all from the eighties with no digital displays and very simple controls. At the same time I test myself every once in a while by welding the bottom of two pop cans together and at this point I'm still successful. Start with your settings on the low side and then start turning them up until you have enough heat for the job. I always emphasize pressing the pedal slowly and warming the start area gradually until the area starts to puddle. then start to feed the rod and move the puddle forward. Patience and absolute cleanliness are really important in aluminum welding.

Pete
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 29, 2018, 02:19:25 PM
As I have said before: "TIG is for building race cars, MIG is for building trailers!"

So, what if I was racing a trailer Rex?

John, yes very reasonable. I did a ticket in tig specifically to learn to tig alumimium for the bodywork pn the Spirit of Sunshine. One day i looked into a booth and there was a mig surrounded by aluminium coupons, I had a shot and bought a torch, wire guide and some Al wire for my mig....i do wish I'd persisted because I managed some nice work on exhaust tube and my new multi function induction machine has a tig torch and whaddayaknow I've got some headers to make. No Bob, they're not aluminium.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 29, 2018, 02:31:16 PM
Unfortunately I can't give you any numbers as my equipment is all from the eighties with no digital displays and very simple controls. At the same time I test myself every once in a while by welding the bottom of two pop cans together and at this point I'm still successful. Start with your settings on the low side and then start turning them up until you have enough heat for the job. I always emphasize pressing the pedal slowly and warming the start area gradually until the area starts to puddle. then start to feed the rod and move the puddle forward. Patience and absolute cleanliness are really important in aluminum welding.

Pete

Amidst the frustration the other day I looked at the front of the welder and all I could see was 888 on the red led display, then I had to squat down and read which tiny light beside the display told which value it was reading that I couldn't see because the sun was shining directly on it. Old welder had a six point power knob and a big pointer on the wire feed.....this thing has continuous value knobs like a modern car stereo, grrrrrr.

There's nothing like adversity to focus my efforts, I'm going to an aluminum supply today to dumper dive their scrap bin and I will win this.

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on January 29, 2018, 02:53:44 PM
As I have said before: "TIG is for building race cars, MIG is for building trailers!"
Apparently I've built some really fast trailers over the years & my new 4WD AA/BFTrailer should be running this year too! :-D
  Sid. :roll:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SaltPeter on January 30, 2018, 10:31:56 PM
Hey Doc

Sounds like your having fun .....

You might have seen this about setting up MIG for occasional Ally Welding .....

http://www.lincolnelectric.com/en-ca/support/process-and-theory/Pages/aluminum-feeding-detail.aspx .... My neighbour said it helped him to do some repairs on his Trucks .....

While I use a TIG for Ally, the thing I was advised to do by the UNITIG Rep (before I got my Foot Control) was pre heating the Job with Ally.... It worked a treat and I still do it on all things Ally ......

(I should have my Bike ready to Start up next week) ....

I'll see you at Lake G .....

Pete

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: wobblywalrus on January 31, 2018, 12:31:12 AM
Pete, show us some pictures of your bike.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 31, 2018, 01:28:25 AM
Hey Doc

Sounds like your having fun .....

You might have seen this about setting up MIG for occasional Ally Welding .....

http://www.lincolnelectric.com/en-ca/support/process-and-theory/Pages/aluminum-feeding-detail.aspx .... My neighbour said it helped him to do some repairs on his Trucks .....

While I use a TIG for Ally, the thing I was advised to do by the UNITIG Rep (before I got my Foot Control) was pre heating the Job with Ally.... It worked a treat and I still do it on all things Ally ......

(I should have my Bike ready to Start up next week) ....

I'll see you at Lake G .....

Pete



See Pete I've not had any trouble in the past. Welded the body on the car, made our last manifold, seat, heat guards blah blah blah..get a new welder it all is forgotten.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: ggl205 on January 31, 2018, 09:19:57 AM
You guys are very encouraging and have motivated me to get back to practicing alloy TIG welding. Pre heat or putting heat into the weldable substrate via a low amp arc, appears to be a fundamental first step.

Now, wire feed aluminum TIG welding is another animal. I have that equipment but never tried it. I guess I would have to torch heat the substrate prior to striking an arc but what temp is best? I could use a temp pencil to get the preheat right.

Thank you all for the welding lessons.

John
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Peter Jack on January 31, 2018, 11:17:45 AM
Don't even try to use the wire feed tig until you're really comfortable with conventional tig. There are too many things happening at once with the auto feed system to be successful.

Pete
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: salt27 on January 31, 2018, 01:25:56 PM
See Pete I've not had any trouble in the past. Welded the body on the car, made our last manifold, seat, heat guards blah blah blah..get a new welder it all is forgotten.

And the "old welder" is where?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 31, 2018, 02:12:03 PM
Jeez Don, pay attention. Just as I was finishing building a smoker here I noticed it was getting a little stuttery, in hindsight it had also started throwing the circuit breakerer in the shed. I took it down to the big smoke to the manufacturer for a service. Yeah, I know, "manufacturing" means make not sell, well they "pit them together" there out of components made in low cost jurisdictions, how's that? Anyway, they told me the repair guy wasn't back for a fortnight and there was already a big backlog (and you know that if there's a shortcut I'm on it)....so I left it for repair, and bought a new fancy one. I'm an idiot.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 31, 2018, 02:16:32 PM
You guys are very encouraging and have motivated me to get back to practicing alloy TIG welding. Pre heat or putting heat into the weldable substrate via a low amp arc, appears to be a fundamental first step.

Now, wire feed aluminum TIG welding is another animal. I have that equipment but never tried it. I guess I would have to torch heat the substrate prior to striking an arc but what temp is best? I could use a temp pencil to get the preheat right.

Thank you all for the welding lessons.

John

Preheat is useful but if you're welding stuff that's paper thin you can't use that luxury. Your only friends are cleanliness, good trigger control and maintaining an even distance and torch angle.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: salt27 on January 31, 2018, 02:36:14 PM
My Dad left to me an old WW2 era AC arc welder with ratty leads, small but has to weigh 150 honest pounds (68 kg to you James).

Over the years I have built several trailers, cars, motorcycles, ect. with it and my welds weren't pretty but few to no failures.

I go and buy a new Miller Tig/ac dc stick welder thinking how much better my welds were going to be and it was like I have never welded before, in a bad way.

It took a while, to figure it out, my tig is not great but my stick welding is at least back to where it was.

Thank god for Gus (my son) he's got a pretty good handle on the tig. (are you listening Stainless).

James, you're not alone.  

  Don
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 31, 2018, 03:01:56 PM
Me too....

I have an arc-welder in the shed that dad bought when I was 11 or 12. I learnt to weld bicycle frame, he concentrated on making holes and flux inclusions. So I see you failed to pass on both your defective welding gene and the beer gene?

Today I rush headlong into another area of inexpertise. I may or may not report back after my fibreglassing ( see how I spelt that?) foray in order to make the nascelles to accommodate the heads of the Chev. I have more than a few friends with decent mould making/glassing credentials who I have studiously avoided, we'll see how it goes.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: maj on January 31, 2018, 03:03:16 PM
Yup Don
i miss my old transformer tig and stick machines
inverter is just not the same
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 31, 2018, 03:08:37 PM
Yup Don
i miss my old transformer tig and stick machines
inverter is just not the same

Inverter, super-light weight, do low penetration welds wherever you like....
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Rex Schimmer on January 31, 2018, 07:11:18 PM
I have an old Airco transformer TIG machine that I will give to you, works great! of course it weights about 1500 lbs
(680 Kilos) so the shipping may be a bit!

Rex
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Speed Limit 1000 on January 31, 2018, 07:34:24 PM
I have an old Airco transformer TIG machine that I will give to you, works great! of course it weights about 1500 lbs
(680 Kilos) so the shipping may be a bit!

Rex

Will the voltage matter if it is upside down :?

Johnboy
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 31, 2018, 07:50:02 PM
It's a new day, I'm not a quitter...( I have to be honest it was at the top of the list of practical solutions).

I rang the service guy. He hasn't called me back since our conversation which is a definite positive as he said he would look at my old machine immediately and if it was a simple issue he'd do it without further discussion.

Sometimes explaining a problem, or indeed a whole seemingly interlinked clusterfinkelstein of them can help beyond sitting there trying to nut them out with a busy conversation in your head.

"The wire is wandering, it's impossible to lay a straight bead, like the wire is being distorted"

I went back to the shed. I reduced the roller pressure til it wouldn't drive and then inched it back up till it did...I looked at some of the pieces of wire that I'd pulled out of the wire guide after the roller had bunched it up, sure enough they were flat on one side...idiot...that solved the wandering wire issue.

 Then I had a bout of lateral thinking. I reversed the torch angle. For me "hot spotting" has always worked best on light Al sheet. So I started with a "pull angle" and about 3/4 inch stick out so it's into spray transfer. I'd start each "dot" by aiming at the bottom edge of the previous one, this way the strike is better, it is right in the root of the weld and has the thicker area of the previous spot to dissipate some heat.....

I've got some off cuts from the original build of the car, I put .040 cuts in them and the welds are starting to look OK, not like I'd brag about them, and if you need your Coke can repaired go elsewhere but I'm no longer as Nick Cave would moan, deep in the woods.

Thanks for the offer Rex but I try to use welder I can take to the job :roll: :roll: :roll:

I have an old Airco transformer TIG machine that I will give to you, works great! of course it weights about 1500 lbs
(680 Kilos) so the shipping may be a bit!

Rex

Will the voltage matter if it is upside down :?

Johnboy

The reciprocal of 110 is 240 Johnboy, and the electrons flow in the opposite direction here. Just as a word of warning, when you get here we are going to make a concerted effort to F with your head, don't ask Gray or I for advice if your life, sleep or urgent bathroom matters depend on it...... :evil: :evil: :evil:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on January 31, 2018, 09:06:43 PM
Doc,

we used to sand blast every surface before welding aluminium to clean the joint of oxide/dirt/etc. Are you still doing that?

RevH+
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: wobblywalrus on January 31, 2018, 09:35:55 PM
This reads like it is MIG welding.  A spool gun gives controllable and consistent feed with aluminum wire.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Speed Limit 1000 on January 31, 2018, 09:44:56 PM


I have an old Airco transformer TIG machine that I will give to you, works great! of course it weights about 1500 lbs
(680 Kilos) so the shipping may be a bit!

Rex

Will the voltage matter if it is upside down :?

Johnboy

The reciprocal of 110 is 240 Johnboy, and the electrons flow in the opposite direction here. Just as a word of warning, when you get here we are going to make a concerted effort to F with your head, don't ask Gray or I for advice if your life, sleep or urgent bathroom matters depend on it...... :evil: :evil: :evil:
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Remember that the next time we arrange a ride in a small aircraft for you :roll:

Johnboy
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 31, 2018, 09:51:14 PM
Doc,

we used to sand blast every surface before welding aluminium to clean the joint of oxide/dirt/etc. Are you still doing that?

RevH+
Using a stainless brush and acetone, by next week they will be chasing me to make the Space Shuttle, is that still a thing?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 31, 2018, 10:00:26 PM
This reads like it is MIG welding.  A spool gun gives controllable and consistent feed with aluminum wire.

Just like the plane that fired a few shots at WH700 the Canberra that our tank came from....
spoolies aren't that common here.


I have an old Airco transformer TIG machine that I will give to you, works great! of course it weights about 1500 lbs
(680 Kilos) so the shipping may be a bit!

Rex

Will the voltage matter if it is upside down :?

Johnboy

The reciprocal of 110 is 240 Johnboy, and the electrons flow in the opposite direction here. Just as a word of warning, when you get here we are going to make a concerted effort to F with your head, don't ask Gray or I for advice if your life, sleep or urgent bathroom matters depend on it...... :evil: :evil: :evil:

Remember that the next time we arrange a ride in a small aircraft for you :roll:

Johnboy
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That was a plane?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on February 01, 2018, 05:06:05 PM
I have an old Airco transformer TIG machine that I will give to you, works great! of course it weights about 1500 lbs
(680 Kilos) so the shipping may be a bit!

Rex

I had somethiing similar. Got rid of it when I moved from the shop. We used to call them a Pie Warmer
They had a set of points for the AC. Apart from it being really big, it was also three phase (480 volts)
Like most of Australia, I only have 240 at home
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Rex Schimmer on February 02, 2018, 01:43:50 PM
My old ARCO (Which turned into Miller Welding) has a number of input power taps from 220 single phase to 480 three phase and if you put the power control in "kill" the max output is 460 amps! now that will melt your torch hoses fast!

I did build a pretty nice trailer with it and if you use 3/32 rod it will lay out a pretty nice fillet at around 200 amps.

Rex
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on February 02, 2018, 07:30:48 PM
One of my short careers was working as a service guy in earthmoving
I've broken a lot of 13/16 sockets tighening up track plates
and laid a lot of stallite on buckets and blades with a big DC welder
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: wobblywalrus on February 02, 2018, 09:29:48 PM
Same here but with grader blades.  Welding hard face on blades is an essential but extremely boring task.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 03, 2018, 04:16:49 AM
If you're on Fartbook you may have seen this, anyway I've been working on some "power bulges"
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1590868137676260&id=100002592664801
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on February 03, 2018, 10:54:27 AM
Cover up the sticky-out bits with glad wrap, spray foam it & sand to shape goes pretty quick Mate. Use polyester so it doesn't eat the foam.
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 03, 2018, 03:10:41 PM
This worked pretty well for using what was "at hand"....pretty tough too.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 17, 2018, 04:54:40 PM
update.

Formerly the car had exhaust that ran down and the along the floor of the car joining behind the rear bulkhead and exiting in a single pipes the tip of the tail. The cooling system was total loss with a 60 litre (12 gallon) steel tank that when full weighed 100kg (220lbs).

The new Chev V6 is larger up top buy also has slightly different dimensions in other areas. Because our diff housing is fixed we only had a small amount of flexibility with the height of the drive line without undertaking significant earthworks. We decided to use engine mounts I stead of the engine plate to mount the motor. This meant that the motor sits higher and slightly further back than ideal. This means that the exhaust had to go straight back, there is no room for it to go down. Because the motor is longer the water tank would not fit. Because the tank has "floors" welded into it to cause the water to circulate it was not possible to spot shorten it. With this situation we elected to use a radiator and an electric water pump. Norm Harding's came to the party and made us a double core aluminum radiator with a large thermofan and also flicked us a Davies Craig ewp150 and a US a small block water pump delete kit......Because we have a radiator we now have heat isolation issues. The exhaust heads straight back along the mostne and exits through a 3/8 steel flange. It is the world's ugliest set of headers. This week we will use fibreglass to form some air ducts to take cool air under the radiator and avoid the exhaust allowing the fan to send heat out of the louvres along the back of the cowl.
When we built this car we built it around the original Holden V6, I'm hoping the compromises we've made in this refit don't rob too many HP in drag and lessen the gains we have made power wise.....

Yesterday I made a jig using a Hitachi sander polisher, a disc of particleboard and some string for a footswitch. I clamped the polisher. I screwed the moon discs to it and used coarse paper to freshen them up, getting rid of the oxidation and keeping the same spun look..... I welded up some cracks in the bodywork and some redundant holes too, I also spent a few hours making lethal steel splinters with a die grinder on the headers.Today it's bodywork, the new scoop and the nacelles for the heads....right now the list seems endless
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on February 17, 2018, 05:30:34 PM

right now the list seems endless

That post also indicates a pretty solid plan of action and accomplishments.  :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on February 27, 2018, 03:48:55 AM
The plan has some holes in it today
I can't do anything with the ECU unless I have the original file in my laptop
So i can't unlock the ECU
and I'm having trouble locating a clutch release beairng that will fit on the input shaft
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Peter Jack on February 27, 2018, 08:31:48 AM
Dr. Goggles, if you want to avoid most of those lethal metal slivers try using cartridge rolls instead. Google cartridge rolls and mandrels and see what's available in Australia. They should be easy to find. They come in lots of shapes and grits and when combined with a die grinder you'll probably find them faster and neater than a carbide burr.

Good luck.  :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

Pete
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 27, 2018, 06:50:17 PM
I think we're going to need a few rolls because right now the whole thing seems to be going down the shitter.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on March 08, 2018, 12:39:34 AM
Best of luck next week.   :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on March 08, 2018, 05:29:33 AM
Well the car is soon to head off to the salt Plumbing not complete so will need work on the lake. I am flying in a day late to pick up anything required in Adelaide.
It will be good to have the whole team back together again. Photos and stories to come

Reverend H+

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on March 08, 2018, 08:53:51 AM
Rev, we are flying in on the 10th to Melbourne. If we can do anything Goggles has my email. I don't have a local phone yet.  :cheers:
Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on March 15, 2018, 07:05:58 PM
I just got out from the Lake. Conditions are great for racing with both Valerie and the Devonport Treit liner having good runs on Thursday (328 and 360ish).

I finally met Stainless and John Boy who have very much made themselves home on the salt, and then Wayno and Cassie also arrived a bit later who were also great to finally meet, especially with Wayno's connection with the Kelly lakester.

Dr Goggles is coming out of the lake later today on a taxi run for Mrs G and I'll leave it to him to give an update on the Spirit.

All well with conditions great for the next runs. Big hot spell coming in though with temps possibly going up to 45degrees Celsius.

Reverend H+ reporting from Port Augusta.

RH+



Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: wobblywalrus on March 15, 2018, 07:40:09 PM
Does that mean you are pulling the car back after Grumm's wife makes a run?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on March 17, 2018, 12:55:01 AM
No.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on March 17, 2018, 05:09:25 PM
K.C. and I left the Salt yesterday on our way to the East Coast. We're having a ball. 3 hours from the Salt to the highway. I'll have a more detailed report later.  :-D :-D :-D :cheers:
Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on March 17, 2018, 09:20:42 PM
K.C. and I left the Salt yesterday on our way to the East Coast. We're having a ball. 3 hours from the Salt to the highway. I'll have a more detailed report later.  :-D :-D :-D :cheers:
Wayno
I just heard some of your story from Gus, life's an adventure isn't Mate! 8-)
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on March 19, 2018, 06:41:31 PM
Does that mean you are pulling the car back after Grumm's wife makes a run?

There was a Corinne entered, but it was not my wife.
Part of the happy couple who own prancingponybrewery.com.au
Corinna and Frank are one of the event sponsors
They run a couple of bikes and also bring a portable bar and some (a lot) of samples
And as Mt Ive Station holds the liquor license for the event, they can't sell them......
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 19, 2018, 07:44:27 PM
Hey it's page 374! :mrgreen:

https://www.instagram.com/p/BghgxRnlP_M/
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 21, 2018, 07:40:09 PM
Well here I am sitting at home, I just dropped Stainless and Johnboy at Melbourne Airport. It has been an absolute blast having them here they were invaluable, hilarious and it has truly been one of the fun times of my life having them come with us to Speedweek. Last night Cassie and I took the boys to the Mount Macedon Hotel our favourite local 20 minutes away through kangaroo territory and up over Mt Macedon. We had craft beers and pizza and laughed, they are two of the great characters of the salt racing community. One of the locals accosted us while we were sitting there and asked us what we were up to, it turns out she and her husband were friends of Greg Watters, of course they were.......

Next week we've got Wayno and KC staying after they have been to the Grand Prix in Melbourne.

It was a complete bummer that we didn't get to make any runs, we did our absolute best with the time we had available and threw absolutely everything we had at it but in the end that wasn't quite enough. Next year we'll have a good basis to work from. This weekend the Colonel and I will pull the motor and box and build a dolly to take the whole drivetrain and accessories so it can be taken to the dyno and set up with a Haltech management system.

I'm going to try and beat our house into shape now it's been kind of ignored for a bit and then I have to look for a new job, here's to another year.

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on March 22, 2018, 12:42:42 AM
just hit the lotto instead of looking for a job :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 22, 2018, 01:02:22 AM
just hit the lotto instead of looking for a job :-D

This is racing Bill, I'm doing both. :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on March 24, 2018, 11:04:02 PM
Hey Doc, lets try this... anyone out there an Electromotive ECU Guru? or know one

The ECU in the SoS did not seem to come with the Bin File so we could not do anything with the throttle position sensor issue that was making it run extremely fat and showing a TP fault. 
Anyone out there got a guru in their pocket  :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: maj on March 25, 2018, 12:14:58 AM
Ok so I will ask the basic question so you can say yes checked
you tested the TPS that it worked and the pin out were correct to the ecu ?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on March 25, 2018, 12:42:38 AM
Well I know the computer showed voltage movement when the throttle was moved 0-3.6v but it also showed constant TPS error.  The ECU and harness came on the motor.  I'll almost bet they don't have the pin out diagram yet.
Did I mention it ran in the car for the first time on Thursday... although it could have been Wednesday... either way, we were on the salt
ya know they are all Saturday to me  :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 25, 2018, 12:49:15 AM
Hey Doc, lets try this... anyone out there an Electromotive ECU Guru? or know one

The ECU in the SoS did not seem to come with the Bin File so we could not do anything with the throttle position sensor issue that was making it run extremely fat and showing a TP fault.  
Anyone out there got a guru in their pocket  :cheers:
;
We have Nigel Powells here who is an Electromotive buff bu his suggestion as we were leaving was turn up the fuel pressure and hope for the best because without the bin file you won't get in.

I've been thinking about the whole episode and what happened would seem crazy and chaotic to a bystander. In a way it was but if you've ever built and run a lakester you might understand. We built the car around a wet sump Buick V6 with a water tank, we put in a Chev with big HRD heads, a different transmission and a dry sump with all the plumbing and tank. We couldn't run the motor til we'd plumbed everything, with the time constraints we had the time building was best spent aiming for completion not dummy running. Remember, we fitted 10lb of shite into a 5lb bag with the Holden/Buick motor, with the Chev the stakes were raised to 15lb.
We only got the oiling system completely plumbed 24hours out, we were cutting pieces of the air box away in order to plumb the cooling system on the day we left, we still hadn't got the cowl to fit with everything in it until then.
Into this maelstrom of blood, guts and poo strode Stainless and Johnboy, they were like magic, but at that point we needed something more than magic, we needed that fu**ing bin file.

That bin file is probably in the same tear in the time space continuum that the car's log book is. It has never left the bag with our safety gear in it for anything less than the time it took to tech the car but for some reason it cannot be found EITHER.....
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on March 25, 2018, 02:17:16 AM
Google is ya mate! :-)
Sid.
https://electromotive.com/support/
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 25, 2018, 02:41:30 AM
At the lake Google has no friends.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on March 25, 2018, 09:31:38 AM
There's been a update in the firmware and associated software with Electromotive.

If your system came with the engine, it's old.

If you used a new software download, the bin file that's likely still in the ecu wouldn't be properly recognized.

I've got an older version of Wintec that may or may not be of help.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on March 26, 2018, 04:05:00 AM
There's been a update in the firmware and associated software with Electromotive.

If your system came with the engine, it's old.

If you used a new software download, the bin file that's likely still in the ecu wouldn't be properly recognized.

I've got an older version of Wintec that may or may not be of help.

Yep, crossed all those T's and dotted those I's
Tried all the versions of wintec that were available
Tested the pin outs on the tps
tested the wiring

It pointed to a dud tps and a few other tuning issues
The electromotive guy keeps telling me to print the bin file, but it just will not play
I have one more card up my sleeve.
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on March 26, 2018, 09:42:16 AM

I have one more card up my sleeve.


Of course you do - this is why I don't play poker with Aussies . . .  :wink:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on March 26, 2018, 03:01:21 PM
some of the early EFI systems interchanged the use Chrysler and GM tps ---they looked and mounted similar but the wires were backward from each other---caused all kinds of headaches before we figured that one out.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on March 26, 2018, 03:24:22 PM
My KB has two Tech-3 units for dual plugs & has one GM TPS for both units with standard GM wiring hookup. What model is your unit?
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on March 27, 2018, 03:26:31 AM
I'm sitting on a bus right now, so I don't have it handy but I think it's s TEC3r
I contacted Kenny Dutwieller ( did I spell that right) and he couldn't crack it either.
I haven't given up. As this thing seems to have coil drivers in it and I like that
Haltech, Motec and Delco all require coil drivers.
The other lakester, Wazavudu, has a delco off a GM V6 on it.
Finding time to do all the crap I need to do before next year is the issue.
However, we've started earlier this year
G. (aka Colonel Obstroporous)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 27, 2018, 04:09:20 AM
I'm sitting on a bus right now, so I don't have it handy but I think it's s TEC3r
I contacted Kenny Dutwieller ( did I spell that right) and he couldn't crack it either.
I haven't given up. As this thing seems to have coil drivers in it and I like that
Haltech, Motec and Delco all require coil drivers.
The other lakester, Wazavudu, has a delco off a GM V6 on it.
Finding time to do all the crap I need to do before next year is the issue.
However, we've started earlier this year
G. (aka Colonel Obstroporous)

Obstro-porous,

Does that mean your pores are obstructed?!
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on March 27, 2018, 01:04:41 PM
Sorry to hear about your pores Mate! :|
Did you try this. https://www.google.com/search?q=electromotive+tec3r+manual&rlz=1C1CHBD_enUS788US788&oq=electromotive+tech+3r+man&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j0l2.62855j1j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

I found everything I needed in a pdf online for my Tech-3.
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 29, 2018, 02:09:02 PM
Wayno and KC should be back in Cali now, that's it done and dusted. Been great having some Lakester folk here, now where were we?!
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on March 29, 2018, 03:50:55 PM
We are in fact. Tired but here.  :-P
Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on May 22, 2018, 06:30:08 AM
So Sid
Have you been building bikes?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1983-Honda-Gold-Wing/173326038014

G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on May 22, 2018, 11:44:59 AM
LOL :-D & apparently I moved to Ohio why I wasn't watching too!
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on May 22, 2018, 04:26:43 PM
Who is it that has that canoe shaped piece.of metal that you can win in one direction and not the other is that Wayno? It reminds me of that thing...

In other news I went deer hunting last week, well, in a fashion. We'd had our Toyota Aurion for fifty days and on a wet night hit a great big doe, wrote it off....bummer...
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on May 22, 2018, 05:01:05 PM
Who is it that has that canoe shaped piece.of metal that you can win in one direction and not the other is that Wayno? It reminds me of that thing...

In other news I went deer hunting last week, well, in a fashion. We'd had our Toyota Aurion for fifty days and on a wet night hit a great big doe, wrote it off....bummer...

Grilled Venison.

They're like rats here in Wisconsin - even in the city.

Can't swing a dead cat by the tail without hitting one.



Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on May 22, 2018, 06:22:44 PM
Who is it that has that canoe shaped piece.of metal that you can win in one direction and not the other is that Wayno? It reminds me of that thing...

In other news I went deer hunting last week, well, in a fashion. We'd had our Toyota Aurion for fifty days and on a wet night hit a great big doe, wrote it off....bummer...

Grilled Venison.

They're like rats here in Wisconsin - even in the city.

Can't swing a dead cat by the tail without hitting one.





I think if I was hunting deer, I would use something more effective than a dead cat.
And I don't mean a Toyota

G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on May 22, 2018, 09:11:14 PM
I think I meant "spin" in one direction.

You would have needed both barrels from a decent guage cat and probably a hasty reload to dispatch this piece of vermin...
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on June 08, 2018, 03:49:56 AM
Does anyone have a list of which land speed tyres are currently legal
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on June 08, 2018, 10:18:15 AM
All of them and most Front Runners as drive tires.  I think the 17 in skinnys are not legal as drive tires
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on June 08, 2018, 07:58:28 PM
All of them and most Front Runners as drive tires.  I think the 17 in skinnys are not legal as drive tires

I'll just rephrase that
Does anyone out there have a list of tyres that are legal for land speed

I've seen the 2904 17's. They've been around for a while and recently moved to the land speed list on Goodyear's website
I also saw some interesting Goodyears on Valerie's Streamliner which came with an interesting story,

However, the reason I'm asking is, we have a new Chief Car Tech. Lionel West.
And at the DLRA Committee meeting on Monday night, Lionel said he had seen the old Chief Car Tech, Kiwi Bob, with a list of tyres that are legal for Land Speed
I asked Kiwi Steve, and he said they were all gone
Which leads me to ask a number of questions
Does anyone have a copy of this mystery list? and is land speed racing car tech run exclusivly by Kiwi's?

And yes I did also ask for three more toilets at the committee meeting. the thing about having a landspeed event 100 miles past the middle of nowhere
is that it's far too expensive to hire toilets, so the club owns them


G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Roots265 on June 14, 2018, 05:02:53 PM
WOW. Just sat and read this thread. (Well it took me a few weeks). You guys talk some crud but man I love what you’ve done. Your Tank is beautiful.
Very inspiring.
Like many I have dreams of building a car (lakester). i just hope I can do half the job you have managed when I do.
Worst part about being up to date is now I have to actually wait to see what comes next...
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on June 14, 2018, 05:18:40 PM
Note to Australian folk:

Roots said:  "...You guys talk some crud..."

That's his way of saying he feels that you are worthy of great amounts of respect, and that your manner of articulation of your wisdom is exemplary.

Just thought you'd like some help interpreting.  You're welcome.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on June 14, 2018, 11:49:04 PM
Nah, he meant there was lotsa gum flapping between the serious bits & he couldn't understand some of the lingo. :-D
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on June 15, 2018, 05:57:51 AM
Maaaate
He's from Woolongong
No need for an interpretor
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on June 15, 2018, 11:11:03 AM
Wooooops, missed that Mate! :roll:
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Peter Jack on June 15, 2018, 01:20:41 PM
The location was added later Sid. Your mind isn't going yet, even at 166!  :-D :-D :-D

Pete
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on June 16, 2018, 11:06:49 AM
Thanks Pete, I'll be 167 in anutha cuppla months but I can't quite catch up to Goggs! This liner is taking for ever but it's final assembly time finally. :-P
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on June 16, 2018, 02:40:40 PM
 :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:  :dhorse:   :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:  :dhorse:  :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on September 15, 2018, 05:14:19 PM
Yes yes I'm here.

Progress here requires the aligning of ducks and the enherdment of cats but that I can assure you is happening.

I built the mezzanine, no, I'm not kidding. There is now somewhere to store the infrequently used but essential items (everything that goes to the salt but has no use during the year, race wheels, parachute, safety gear, body panels, tents, pit shade etc) so as to free up space around the car, so it can be worked on. The shed of course is like trying to dig a hole in wet sand, every time I turn around to empty a shovel it magically seems to fill up however I think this latest effort may have struck a critical blow.

Renovating a house these last few years has made keeping shop kind of tedious and Stainless will attest that the shed was nightmare material but I swear Bob, I'm getting there, clear bench space, a spot for (nearly) every tool, hell I even bought a new case for my big Bahco socket-set.

I'm two weeks into my new job, it's turning around.....
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on September 15, 2018, 09:50:37 PM
and this new job is  :?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on September 16, 2018, 06:30:44 AM
I'm back in the homeless sector Bill, you know me, do-gooder type after working for the last five years with high risk sex offenders. back doing what I like. Took a pay cut and it doesn't come with a car but it's worth it
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on September 16, 2018, 03:48:01 PM
here's to going to work with a smile on your face  :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on November 21, 2018, 10:20:35 PM
Well I'm cutting through it here
been doing some work on the Waza.
Made a different front axle and remade the rear hubs so they're ford pattern
Am about to start wiring up the Motec for the Spigot. am just waiting for the terminals to arrive
and still renovating.

Now  I remember seeing somewhere a heavy duty quick change for land speed. It was big and started with a 2:1 ring and pinion set
I thought it was posted on here, but I can't find it. Asking for a friend, really
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on November 22, 2018, 01:22:39 AM
There's the Winters Extreme Liner with a 2.0 plus B&J make one as well. They're not cheap Mate!
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on November 22, 2018, 02:23:44 PM
Well I'm cutting through it here
been doing some work on the Waza.
Made a different front axle and remade the rear hubs so they're ford pattern
Am about to start wiring up the Motec for the Spigot. am just waiting for the terminals to arrive
and still renovating.

Now  I remember seeing somewhere a heavy duty quick change for land speed. It was big and started with a 2:1 ring and pinion set
I thought it was posted on here, but I can't find it. Asking for a friend, really
G

I'm wondering how you're going to get that big pumpkin up the backside of that little car?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on November 24, 2018, 09:13:53 PM
Asking for a friend, really
G

I'm wondering how you're going to get that big pumpkin up the backside of that little car?

A guy I know is  putting a turbo charged Meteor engine with twin cam heads in and Early Australian body Fairlaine
Well he thinks he is, I'm not convinced, to run at Lake Gairdiner.
Talking about it at the last Committee meeting, Lionel was just shaking his head, and Rod just sat there catching flys, although he may have been asleep
And Lionel's ordered the tyre
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on November 24, 2018, 09:35:03 PM
"Rod was catching fly's" 8-) :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on November 24, 2018, 11:53:40 PM
Actually, my question reminds me of a similar and pertinent one about Djembes,
"I am absolutely certain that drum won't fit up your arse however to remain so without proof would be foolish."
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on November 25, 2018, 12:08:28 AM
This would work

https://www.ppgearbox.com/single-post/2016/02/03/Introducing-the-Quick-Change-6-speed-transaxle-conversion?fbclid=IwAR2ZrViZgCHrzgr_1YJA9oBRsCP2qE66bxd7YUg0phWI2U-lB0p9Qzdsdjg

Although it may be more than the car's worth

G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on November 25, 2018, 02:52:34 AM
Gonna be hard driving that car with an arm and a leg missing.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on November 27, 2018, 04:43:22 AM
I'm generally not legless til Thursday
My Mum offered to pay for it anyway
Have you bought a new car yet.
I would suggest a German Diesel Van, made in Spain
They tow a trailer like nothing else
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: tauruck on November 27, 2018, 09:20:02 AM
Gonna be hard driving that car with an arm and a leg missing.

Just one of each???????. Good Luck,you're gonna need it!!!!!!. :cheers: :-D :lol:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: maj on November 27, 2018, 02:53:38 PM


A guy I know is  putting a turbo charged Meteor engine with twin cam heads in and Early Australian body Fairlaine
Well he thinks he is, I'm not convinced, to run at Lake Gairdiner.
Talking about it at the last Committee meeting, Lionel was just shaking his head, and Rod just sat there catching flys, although he may have been asleep
And Lionel's ordered the tyre
G

If its the same build as the twincam Meteor thats local to me it will break a rod before the timed mile
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on November 27, 2018, 04:14:25 PM
I would suggest it's the same motor
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on November 28, 2018, 03:04:30 PM
Probably better off with a twin carb laser motor, wasn't a Meteor just a Laser with a boot? :roll:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on November 28, 2018, 09:57:04 PM
Just when I was thinking we all spoke the same language....  :|  :-o  :roll:  :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on November 30, 2018, 03:26:04 PM
It looks like my mind was in the gutter as usual, I took it to be a RR Meteor like Rod stuck in his 55! Elephants & sewing machines! :roll:
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 09, 2019, 05:10:40 AM
OK, we didn't take either of the cars but next we're there, just watch.....
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: salt27 on March 10, 2019, 04:16:49 PM
Watching.... :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 10, 2019, 11:55:15 PM
Room in the truck next year Don, it's Union approved too according to the stickers that magically appeared the last time you were here.. :wink:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: salt27 on March 11, 2019, 01:32:58 AM
Room in the truck next year Don, it's Union approved too according to the stickers that magically appeared the last time you were here.. :wink:

Oh, I wish.
I have a full plate right now.
Helping Sandra's recovery.
Snow storm came through and put large oak trees on shop and barn.
lots of damage to the farm.
No power for eight days.
Our bike is on hold for 2020.
Silver lining, no one hurt and we soldier ahead.

I'll be rooting for you, Don

P.S. If you run into the right person that sticker can get you a free beer (or in a fight)   :roll:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 11, 2019, 03:33:35 AM
Ouch.
I must send her a message.
On a point of language look up "Australian slang, rooting"
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on March 11, 2019, 08:38:25 AM
"Didn't take either car"? What's the other either?  :?
Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: salt27 on March 11, 2019, 12:01:45 PM
Ouch.
I must send her a message.
On a point of language look up "Australian slang, rooting"

I remember that "rooting" translation now, sorry.   :-o
How about, We'll be barracking for you.   :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 11, 2019, 10:38:43 PM
I'm more comfortable with that....
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on March 13, 2019, 12:12:22 AM
One of the first things I saw that was confusing when I got to the US was a van with 24hr Rooter painted on the side. What!!!
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Speed Limit 1000 on March 13, 2019, 06:59:01 PM
 You're rooted :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: wobblywalrus on March 14, 2019, 03:33:32 PM
There ai a lot of useful information in this build diary.  As a reader I use the imparted knowledge to better my humble efforts.  Note the Australian style trailer frame straightener.  The frame is suspended in midair by ropes and tie downs attached to three trees.  Both ends of the frame are tied to the nearest tree.  A datsun jack is deployed to push the frame into straightness. 
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 17, 2019, 04:06:33 PM
"come down from there Bo, you gonna git yerself hurt!
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 17, 2019, 04:09:38 PM
"Didn't take either car"? What's the other either?  :?
Wayno

I must've been sniffin' di-ethyl either.....

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: salt27 on March 17, 2019, 07:53:59 PM
"Didn't take either car"? What's the other either?  :?
Wayno

I must've been sniffin' di-ehthyl either.....



 :roll:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on April 07, 2019, 06:50:26 PM
OK, as stated earlier, this is going to happen. Lee, who has been busying himself by reading this thread from start to finish came over Friday and we got started on some new Lexan side windows ....
 The old ones were cracked around the mounting holes. The new ones will have a rim made from Al to clamp them in and the holes will be much larger hopefully alleviating any tendency for them to crack again....
Lee is also working on an off centre hand jack as we are hoping to find a way of getting the car up onto the stands without the chain-block...
For those with an interest that is a full grain extra pale hopped with Mosaic.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Lemming Motors on April 08, 2019, 09:30:54 AM
Note the Australian style trailer frame straightener.  The frame is suspended in midair by ropes and tie downs attached to three trees.  Both ends of the frame are tied to the nearest tree.  A datsun jack is deployed to push the frame into straightness. 

Sorry, as a Kiwi, albeit living in the UK, I have to correct a cultural misunderstanding - that's not an Australian trailer frame straightener - its more likely to be a tree straightener using the left over chassis remains of a Holden ute (before they went unitary construction) - I used to own an HG station wagon - respect for that beast. Brilliant on unsurfaced roads, never failed. Anyway - those Koala's, they of the chlamydia in the eyes, struggle to go up bent gum trees, hence the need for the straightener.
Title: Oil boil......
Post by: Dr Goggles on April 25, 2019, 05:28:08 AM
So, when the Target 550 guys were choppering out last year they were doing bargain basement deals on everything they didn't want to take home. Among other things I bought a shipload of unleaded fuel, a Johnboy, a hairpiece and also about 20 gallons of full synthetic red line, most of which had done a run and was thus methanol contaminated.
TodayI set up a 5 gal. electric urn and put some water in it then a 2.5gal stainless boiler inside it with 2 gal. of oil in it.
It sat at 65°C for a while and bubbled and farted a bit, I figured the methanol was gone once the temperature rose beyond that point.
Then it started bubbling again (vigorously) at 85 °C and smelling,this took a lot longer..

Anyone with experience care to comment on this?
Am I doing it right? What's going on?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: salt27 on April 25, 2019, 11:34:42 AM
Could you post a picture of the hairpiece.
Johnboy doesn't need it and I might be interested.     :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Oil boil......
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on April 25, 2019, 02:06:34 PM
Don, I think Doc'll need it as part of the disguise to hide from the revenuers . . .
Title: Re: Oil boil......
Post by: kiwi belly tank on April 25, 2019, 04:38:11 PM
So, when the Target 550 guys were choppering out last year they were doing bargain basement deals on everything they didn't want to take home. Among other things I bought a shipload of unleaded fuel, a Johnboy, a hairpiece and also about 20 gallons of full synthetic red line, most of which had done a run and was thus methanol contaminated.
TodayI set up a 5 gal. electric urn and put some water in it then a 2.5gal stainless boiler inside it with 2 gal. of oil in it.
It sat at 65°C for a while and bubbled and farted a bit, I figured the methanol was gone once the temperature rose beyond that point.
Then it started bubbling again (vigorously) at 85 °C and smelling,this took a lot longer..

Anyone with experience care to comment on this?
Am I doing it right? What's going on?

You're still here to tell the story so you aren't doing it wrong Goggs!
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on April 25, 2019, 04:42:07 PM
I should have added "outside".
Have you done it before Syd?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: RaceEngineer on April 25, 2019, 10:03:39 PM
why don't you centrifuge it and pour off the methanol? 
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on April 25, 2019, 11:27:19 PM
If I had a centrifuge that may be an option, I thought fractionation may be a better option though...
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on April 26, 2019, 01:12:08 AM
I should have added "outside".
Have you done it before Syd?
No I haven't Goggs, all the contaminated stuff goes into my oil burner tank & makes BTU's in the shop during the winter.
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on April 28, 2019, 09:07:56 PM
What sort of burner have you got Syd?, it's something I've been thinking about. Mumford has one that runs on ATF I think and has a turbo on it if I remember correctly
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on April 29, 2019, 01:00:10 AM
You know me Mate, everything's home built around here! Mine is a double barrel wood burner & the barrels are about 1/2 the size of a 55 or 44 in your lingo. I converted it over to oil with a drip line inside a 1" pipe that's connected to a blower. The burn chamber is just a small 5" stainless bowl at the bottom that I can clean out every cuppla days. Oil supply is gravity fed through a plumbing gate valve for control. The blower is a 12v heater blower & speed switch out of my junk pile that runs off a cheap fine-china 6-amp battery charger. I start it with a rolled up piece of paper shot with WD-40.
The damn thing thinks it's a jet engine if ya don't keep tabs on it :evil: but normally there's no visible smoke out the chimney but it sure can warm up the shop when it's -1000 deg's outside.
I started out with a 55g drum outside for a tank & graduated to a 150 gal semi fuel tank & I pour everything in there plus I have a second 10 gal tank inside the shop that is T'd into the 1/4" drip line that gets cooking oil from a local restaurant. Once it gets cruisin I can dial in the free veggie oil & shut down the big tank.
I call it the Hilborn because I have to keep messing with it to find the sweet spot.
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stan Back on April 29, 2019, 12:21:14 PM
Get some Kinsler pills for it – fine-fine tune it.

(Or change it and see no difference.)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on April 29, 2019, 03:33:20 PM
A pill for every Ill Jim?

They don't call them Ford pills for nothin'
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on September 20, 2019, 06:31:10 PM
OK Funsters, I'm plodding along with this. We had our first day in the 20's yesterday ( yes Celsius it's what everyone uses except you guys) and that said "paint"......
She's been looking a little ragged since the engine swap what with some wholesale changes to the engine mounts and a whole lot of other stuff. When we did the initial swap we were in such a hurry that we just cut stuff off as neatly as practicable in a shop where the prop doesn't like sparks going anywhere. So Lee my erstwhile sidekick and funnyman and I spent a day directing streams of grinder sparks into each other's faces and got rid of all the jagged and nasty stuff in the engine bay. Until yesterday it has been too cold to contemplate paint as the alkyd resin just skins and then takes about ten years to dry properly if applied when it is too cold.

We took off the front and rear radius rods liberating a few cups of red dust from the mounts and cleaned those up. Removed the brake lines and some extinguisher lines and scuffed up what remained of the precious yellow paint on the aft part of the frame.

The primer went on at lunch time and after we had a beer and Lee left I looked at the temp, it was still 23 degrees, "
"stuff this" I thought and shot the yellow. I went out this morning and gave it a look over and it's well, it's yellow....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKNxeF4KMsY

In other news if anyone wants a fuel tank don't ask me, I have had a long running battle with my "intelligent"welder trying to weld stainless, to coin a phrase I.H.G.M.F how to run it properly. Yesterday we pulled the wire out and ran it in my little 200A "dumb" welder with supa-argon and it seemed to be a whole lot happier. Despite Lee's best effort to keep me on track and to dampen the impulses it is nowhere near done, has more than it's fair share of lumps and bumps and some higher power might possibly have an idea whether it will seal.....
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stan Back on September 20, 2019, 08:34:51 PM
I don't know what that was all about ? but I could see why that guy at the beach was lonely.  You're still inspiring me, probably after maybe 10 years, only music on my laptop . . .

www.youtube.com/watch?v=76LbvnoIDkE
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on September 20, 2019, 08:48:59 PM
C'mon Stan. You can get up. You're just not trying.  :roll:
Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on September 20, 2019, 09:24:17 PM
.....just keepin'you blokes guessin :wink:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Speed Limit 1000 on September 20, 2019, 11:17:11 PM
.....just keepin'you blokes guessin :wink:
We don't think your crazy...We know you are :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on September 21, 2019, 12:52:14 AM
Come on Johnboy, don't be like that.
What about you, are you coming back??
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on September 21, 2019, 01:41:30 PM
.....just keepin'you blokes guessin :wink:
We don't think your crazy...We know you are :cheers:
Everybody doing this $hit is at some level of insanity! cromag
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Speed Limit 1000 on September 21, 2019, 09:12:19 PM
Sid, You got that right :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on September 22, 2019, 08:12:40 PM
naw Sid it is not insanity---it's just a sick addiction  lol8
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on December 24, 2019, 06:22:40 AM
It's Christmas Eve here which always makes me think of our mate Pete Lawler who wrote and can be heard here singing this song with the band he played bass in Weddings Parties Anything. Pete and I were sharing a house when we started building the Spirit of Sunshine.
Happy Christmas Everyone whichever way you slice it.

Here's Pete..
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xwxZP9oIGh8
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on December 24, 2019, 09:59:54 AM
"This video is not available." :-( Merry Christmas anyway.  :cheers:
Wayno and KC
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: salt27 on December 24, 2019, 11:07:11 AM
"This video is not available." :-( Merry Christmas anyway.  :cheers:
Wayno and KC

Wayno, It's just Goggs way of stuffing your stocking with coal.    :laugh:

James, how about a SOS update.

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Speed Limit 1000 on December 24, 2019, 03:34:36 PM
James, As a Christmas gift cromag Stainless and I are plotting our trip for your speedweek. Our new teammate Dave will be making the trip with us. Merry Christmas to all :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on December 28, 2019, 05:07:48 AM
Wooohoooooooo!
Does your mate understand polarity?
It's OK, we've fixed the winch...
Best news in ages, we might have both tanks there if Gray gets off his papoose.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on December 28, 2019, 05:09:34 AM
"This video is not available." :-( Merry Christmas anyway.  :cheers:
Wayno and KC


Wayno, It's just Goggs way of stuffing your stocking with coal.    :laugh:

James, how about a SOS update.


So, ah, Don..
You know how to get here....?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on December 28, 2019, 03:23:39 PM
Wooohoooooooo!
...
Best news in ages, we might have both tanks there if Gray gets off his papoose.

Yea, but will either one arrive in running condition?  :evil:  :roll:  :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: salt27 on December 28, 2019, 08:25:34 PM

So, ah, Don..
You know how to get here....?


Nope, I was blindfolded and put in the trunk.

Now how about an update?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on December 29, 2019, 04:07:16 PM
Wooohoooooooo!
...
Best news in ages, we might have both tanks there if Gray gets off his papoose.

Yea, but will either one arrive in running condition?  :evil:  :roll:  :cheers:

See, that's a whole different thing.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on December 29, 2019, 04:10:25 PM

So, ah, Don..
You know how to get here....?


Nope, I was blindfolded and put in the trunk.

Now how about an update?

The Chev has been running on the Motec. Yet to confirm when we get it to dyno. It is coming here first for a trial fit so we can plan the air intake arrangement. Foils being made for the front and rear axles, fronts will cover the tie rods and well. Also investigating a cover for the king pins and steering arms...hows that?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: salt27 on December 29, 2019, 04:23:06 PM

The Chev has been running on the More. Yet to confirm when we get it to dyno. It is coming here first for a trial for so we can plan the author arrangement. Foils being made for the front and rear axles, fronts will cover the tie rods and well. Also investigating a cover for the king pins and steering arms...hows that?


Better, thanks. 
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: wobblywalrus on December 30, 2019, 12:26:35 AM
King pins?  My father told me it was a good day when those things became obsolete.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 04, 2020, 07:08:57 PM
King pins?  My father told me it was a good day when those things became obsolete.

And he was right, for pretty much every application.
In our application where high mileage durability is not an issue their specifics suit us well. We don't need upper and lower control arms and so the amount of superstructure hanging out in the wind is minimised
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 11, 2020, 06:00:07 PM
The motor went in for a test fit on Friday....

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There's a couple of things that needed to be sorted out. In the motor swap we had to go with a radiator instead of the total loss cooling system with the 60 litre water tank. That meant we needed to work out a way of ducting air. A fan sits on top of the radiator pulling air through it and sending it out the louvres along the spine of the car. If we didn't do this it would be coming from air heated by the headers, we didn't want that. When we took the car out in 2018 I had made a fibreglass air box but due to the rushed nature of it all we ended up having to cut the duct down because it was fouling on the cowl......

Yesterday I made a new duct from aluminium to take air from behind the throttle bodies.

Pumping hot air out of the car will cost us in aero by increasing turbulence so I have a few remedial ideas to try and claw back some horsepower in drag. Years ago I bought some stainless steel bowls with the idea of using them to cover the steering components as mentioned above. The bowls were close to perfect but needed to flat bottom stretched so.... I mounted one on a platter on a big sander polisher and put some plasticine on the flat bottom. I spun it and used a putty knife to turn it smooth. Then I cast it in plaster, I've smoothed the mould and will cast some out of fibreglass, they will screw straight to the inner (stationary) moons on the front.

In a week or so I should have the steel foils I am getting made which will fit around the front axle and also cover the tie rods.

At the other end I'll use the same profile foils to cover the rear axle. If time permits I am going to investigate filling in the void inside the rear radius rods ( The A Welker budget aero boost!).....this however is complicated by the exhaust which now exits the side of the cowl and travels down each side to where they dump behind the rear axle..

Hopefully these measures will win back some of the aero we have lost by going to a radiator and sidewinders.....
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: twodear on January 22, 2020, 03:42:51 AM
It would be really interesting to see a photo of what you've done. Thanks for continuing these updates.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on January 22, 2020, 09:41:22 AM
Wouldn't we all  cromag
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 23, 2020, 04:07:42 AM
Wouldn't we all  cromag

Bought 200 litres of C16  :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: salt27 on January 23, 2020, 11:40:57 AM
Wouldn't we all  cromag

Bought 200 litres of C16  :cheers:


I'm relieved it wasn't C4.     :laugh:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: manta22 on January 23, 2020, 04:18:23 PM
Wouldn't we all  cromag

Bought 200 litres of C16  :cheers:


I'm relieved it wasn't C4.     :laugh:

Many won't understand that.  :?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: handyguy on January 23, 2020, 04:59:22 PM
BOOOOMMMMM
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: gowing on January 23, 2020, 05:25:11 PM
they sell C4 by the litre?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: salt27 on January 23, 2020, 06:24:06 PM
Wouldn't we all  cromag

Bought 200 litres of C16  :cheers:


I'm relieved it wasn't C4.     :laugh:

Many won't understand that.  :?


Probably good that they don't.    :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on January 23, 2020, 07:08:02 PM
From Wikipedia, an explanation of what those bad boys are joking about:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C-4_(explosive)
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: maj on January 23, 2020, 11:18:06 PM
As protected as we are over here , we were brought up on a diet of American tv .
I knew it wasn't a Ford transmission you were talking about 
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: salt27 on January 23, 2020, 11:38:18 PM
they sell C4 by the litre?


Australian units of measure.   :wink:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: twodear on January 25, 2020, 06:09:55 AM
Ha! I knew what the C4 comment was about but not being a racer, I had to look up C16.

Back to the point...where are the pictures of the car mods???
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 22, 2020, 03:13:13 PM
Alright alright alright. Still plodding along here.
The nose cone of the car had been looking pretty shabby, it still looks shabby but that didn't come without some serious effort. The liberal applications of various spray fillers and top coats over the years had cracked back to the metal..the paint was actually thicker than the metal, I had even used a little superglue it looks to secure some deep cracks..
Anyway I spent two and a half hours getting all but the very nose part off (too many bodies buried there) and repainting it....
I also spent a few hours on the attachment. I hammered the countersinking flat and redid it. I went through the bungs/couplers that the machine screws that hold it on go into and then shorted a new bunch of stainless c/sink Allen heads.. I'll put it back on today. The morse cables for the gearshift have been fitted up, adjusted and marked as they need to be completely disassembled to remove.
Fuel tank is done, holds 5.06 US gallons, which is of course 4.27 Imperial gallons OR 4.31 US dry gallons. Personally I, like the overwhelming majority of the great unwashed prefer to use the metric system and in that it comes up as 19 litres, or simply put, the volume of a corny keg ..cheers
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: salt27 on February 22, 2020, 04:24:17 PM
It would be really interesting to see a photo of what you've done.
where are the pictures of the car mods???



What they said.    :dhorse:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 23, 2020, 04:42:06 PM
It would be really interesting to see a photo of what you've done.
where are the pictures of the car mods???



What they said.    :dhorse:

Don, that would involve using the complicated resizing shenanigans..
Or paying photofuckit.....
Besides with the standard of my work I might as well draw a picture, in crayon, after I've been on the medicinals.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: salt27 on February 23, 2020, 05:07:20 PM
What are you waiting for, take your "medicinals" sharpin your crayon and get after it.    :laugh:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on February 23, 2020, 08:00:58 PM
You should have a grown up sharpen the crayon. We don't want you hurting yourself.  :-P
 :cheers: :cheers: Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on February 23, 2020, 08:28:06 PM
OK...  I guess I need to intervene here... Let Cassie sharpen your crayon... and dispense your meds... I know none of you are grownups... but at least she is sensible...  :?
It seems I have a free copy of "old" paint on my computer that resizes... it might do more, but I just use it to resize photos. It might have come with the box... I don't know... Linda might have a copy, should I check and bring one? 
Yes I know that won't help satisfy Don right now, but maybe take the heat off next year
 :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on February 23, 2020, 08:37:46 PM
or just go here and download free stuff....
https://www.nchsoftware.com/photoeditor/index.html?kw=picture%20resizer%20program&gclid=Cj0KCQiA4sjyBRC5ARIsAEHsELEYtQkxs01WK3uauZmfQ2qZ70yWGTS5lGPgPI8OLh9vbKlMwSEAVw4aAn3qEALw_wcB
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: salt27 on February 24, 2020, 01:16:45 AM
Stainless, don't go ruining this, I'm looking forward to the drug induced crayon drawings.   cromag
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 24, 2020, 09:44:18 PM
Bunch of Philistines, you don't know anything about real art.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on February 25, 2020, 10:54:09 PM
Bunch of Philistines, you don't know anything about real art.

I don't know about Don, but I was expecting an attachment with that post...
 :dhorse:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: salt27 on February 26, 2020, 02:05:42 AM
Bunch of Philistines, you don't know anything about real art.

I don't give a dang about "real art", I just want to see the progress on your tank.
And who the heck is Phil Stine anyway.    :wink:

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on February 26, 2020, 09:04:34 AM
salt27 said:   "...who the heck is Phil Stine anyway".

Phil is the lesser-known brother to that brew-swilling lunk that drinks so much that he's known as "Beer" Stine.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on February 27, 2020, 02:42:10 PM
It's Fill Stein, have to tell you guys everything.....

Today, tomorrow and Sunday I'll be doing more stuff on the car that I won't post pictures of. Massive leaps forward and hopefully not even more massive falls back.....
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on February 27, 2020, 02:57:25 PM
I'd be happy to sort through my archive of pics of other racers' builds and send some to you to post (instead).  I don't think anybody would notice.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Lemming Motors on February 27, 2020, 04:53:59 PM
I just googlised the Stein family name: you might be surprised how many named their daughter Phyllis.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: salt27 on February 27, 2020, 10:07:05 PM
I just googlised the Stein family name: you might be surprised how many named their daughter Phyllis.


Probably just the "Steinway" of naming their daughters.

Perhaps after a "grand"mother.     :roll:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on March 10, 2020, 10:47:01 PM
Rev H+ here,

knowing I always hang out for info, thought I'd better fill in our friends and followers with an update.

The motor is definitely in for dyno. Has been for a couple of days but some elements are refusing to play.

Lost ignition for a while but Graeme has recovered that and endeavouring to get it on song.

Hopefully issues resolved soon... shall report further when I know.

rH+
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on March 11, 2020, 09:44:57 PM
Current report is engine is running, but not properly. Still trying to diagnose and fix.

rH+
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 12, 2020, 05:47:02 PM
Well we're out.

Couldn't get any consistency on the dyno and although the motor was making over 60psi in oil pressure there is suspicion a bearing might be bad.

Struggled with fuel mapping too.

This motor has already gobbled up twice what we spent on the previous three and it hasn't run in anger yet, let alone set any records. Feeling sore about the whole thing but also incredibly grateful to those who've thrown their time and effort in, Graham and Ian Powell.

Its part of why we do this I guess......
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Interested Observer on March 12, 2020, 06:27:43 PM
Are you still using Electromotive?   Ref. reply 4909 this thread.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 12, 2020, 07:50:28 PM
Motec now.
I wasn't at the dyno Grumm441 was with the operator.
It went to the trouble of smoking a bunch of new ignition parts before it decided it wanted to quit.

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on March 12, 2020, 10:03:42 PM
That's OK. You can go to the Formula 1 Race. Oh. Never mind.
Wayno
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: salt27 on March 12, 2020, 11:26:43 PM
Nuts
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on March 12, 2020, 11:47:35 PM
That's OK. You can go to the Formula 1 Race. Oh. Never mind.
Wayno
That was the only solace, could relax and watch the F1. Reckon our boy Daniel and Renault might be a team that is better than it looks...
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on March 19, 2020, 03:49:19 PM
Here's a post I put on Zuckerbook, yes it's true we nearly had it ready to go with the old motor....

So purely for entertainment purposes this is how it all went down. The world is gripped by an unprecedented threat and yet my friends and I continued on desperately trying to get ready for Australian Speedweek with the Spirit of Sunshine.
We were given a Chevrolet V6 race motor by Robin Dripps from Virginia in 2016 and it took us two years to get it fitted to the car. Due to issues with the engine management computer, although we had the motor running and took the car to Speedweek 2018 we were unable to make a run. We didn't come up with a useful plan and failed to make the cut for 2019 but at that point I made a commitment that whatever else happened it would be there in 2020, it was at Speedweek 2019 that Marcus Thomson and James McMurtrie introduced me to Lee Smits after I told them I was thinking of looking for someone local to me in Lancefield who could help with preparing the car, I needed to commit to at least a day a week to make it happen. Just to rewind a bit I built the car with Dik Jarman an architect and animator... if you like the way the Spirit of Sunshine looks it is all down to Dik. Not long after we started Gray Hadley came on board, he is someone who if it flys floats fires or  even just sits there he probably knows how it works.. The car exceeded everyone's expectations and set an Australian record with a Holden V6 power-plant running 215.041mph in 2013. By 2014 we'd worked out to beat the US record in our class of 236 mph we would need something like 460 horsepower. One morning in 2016 I got an email and at first I thought it was a prank....someone wanted to give us a 500hp V6, all we had to do was pay the freight and insurance from LA and it was ours. I messaged a few landspeed racing friends in the US, "do you know Robin Dripps? She wants to give us a chev V6...".. It checked out, the process started. We needed a new gearbox, our "Aussie" 4 speed was not going to be strong enough. Another friend we 'd made over the years Andy Welker who'd built an incredible bellytank in Pennsylvania offered to help, he had a G-Force  super close ratio T101 type 4 speed and had made his own "shorty" conversion..." "I've got it all on CAD, give me $200 and I'll CNC it for you"... In all it cost nearly 10 grand but we had the ultimate gearbox and the close ratio aspect meant we weren't going to "fall over" on the 3-4 shift....race engines, specifically landspeed engines make all their power at high revs, if you fall out of the powerband when going into the next gear you can't accelerate so an ideal box has a high first gear and small percentage drops between gears...this box had 20/19/18% everything was looking good.
Lee and I started working every Friday, just doing what I'd call housework, tidying things up, doing jobs on the car that had been neglected over the years, tidying up the wholesale changes that happened when the motor swap was done. The original motor used a total loss cooling system, a 60 litre water tank and the exhaust was routed through the body exiting at the very tip of the tail. The new Chev motor was physically bigger and meant we had to send the exhaust out the sides and use a radiator with a fan. The initial install was pretty rushed and there was a lot of tidy up that needed to be done and there was also a bunch of stuff that was busted and fried from a few years of towing it out to Lake Gairdner.
I'd been hassling Graham that we needed to get the motor on the dyno up in Shepparton mid year but various things happened and that didn't get any air. This is an amateur game and everyone has a life and life as we know gets in the way. In the meantime Gray had bought Wayne Mumford's Waza Vudu  Bellytank  as Wayne had made the decision to simplify his life and leave bellytanks to idiots like us... It is hard building a bellytank, it is just as hard reworking one that someone else has built... So, we had a strange motor that didn't seem to want to run because someone in the States had lost the code for the bin file that would allow us to remap the engine management computer and a car that was "nearly" ready but not quite....
We decided to ditch the original Electromotive engine management on the Chev and use an Australian built Motec...
The motor didn't get to the dyno until three weeks before we were due to leave for Speedweek.  It took a day to set it up and on the second day I spoke to Gray and there was no joy, the motor wouldn't run. Was it the fuel? they didn't know... A plan was made to return the next week. They did and Gray had some ideas but as time went on there was no consistency, each time they chased out a problem another one appeared and then it fried a bunch of new expensive ignition parts. A change of tack still gave no consistency and by Wednesday, ten days before we were to leave for Speedweek the pin was pulled, whatever was happening the Chev wasn't going to make it to Lake Gairdner. I had leave booked  and Thursday was my last day, I called in sick, I was so pissed off I figured the last place I should be was at work... I'd been working at least a day a week all year and spent a massive amount of money since we'd got this motor in, and now it had gone to shit.
Cassie decided not to come seeings how the car wouldn't run, but I was still going...I spent a day in a mix of shock and anger. My sister Ruth called and said in light of the Covid 19 situation that I, with emphysema, probably shouldn't go... I had to, it's my thing, friends were coming from the States.... I promised her if I got a fever or a sore throat that I'd come straight home.
The Spirit of Sunshine has always run in E(3-4.3Litre) Gas (petrol) class... and still holds the record, but the Fuel record is what is referred to as "soft" at 155mph.... after some phone calls and grinding of teeth I decided we weren't going to lie down. Despite all the structural changes that had been made to the car to fit the Chev we would reinstate the Holden V6 and run against the fuel class record.Gray had suggested the move and initially I rejected it saying " no point, it won't go any faster"..... but that's where we went. I tracked down all the removed parts and got the motor and box bolted together and washed two years of shed grime off them, it took a while but I found everything ....there had been no plan to ever go back... By Saturday night I had it all sitting in place it needed engine mounts , a gearbox cross-member and wiring and we were ready to go. Graham and Lee arrived on Sunday and by 5 o'clock we had a cross-member, engine mounts ready to weld in and wiring mostly done. Scott Morison announced a 14 day isolation order on international arrivals but it was too late to persuade Stainless and JohnBoy to stay in the US, then as we feared and as was right the meet was cancelled because of restrictions on gatherings over 500 people.

it was over.

Our plan now is to strip the Chev and do a ground up measure and check. The car will have the capability to mount either motor and with a few changes both motors will run the G-Force box.

Compared to what is going on in the world right now this is a mere trifle but it's our trifle and we're going to keep doing it because we love what we do. My friendship with the people I've met through this pursuit and the single minded commitment to making it happen is one of the most intense and fulfilling things I've done in my life.

Look after yourselves everyone, we'll get through this and we will come out better and stronger.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: salt27 on March 19, 2020, 09:59:39 PM
Thanks for the update. 

  Don
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stan Back on March 20, 2020, 09:03:23 PM
Good to hear from you.  You've got a few more years in you ? the fuel record's in your grasp.  Sounds like you did the smart thing by now setting up for both engines.  Robin's such a great person ? hope you can give her a record in both Gas and Fuel when you get it sorted out.

I know what I'd do ? no fuses involved.  Hilborns with the washing machine pump and an old Mallory mag.  (Maybe that's why I'm not racing any more.)

Stan
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: wobblywalrus on March 21, 2020, 12:01:14 AM
I am pretty sure that the car Marlo has down there has mechanical fuel injection.  It might be a good place to look to see an example.     
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on March 21, 2020, 01:17:43 AM
I've spent what seems like a lifetime :roll: with blowers, mechanical fuel leakers & Mags & will also be going through a learning curve with with the new liner. Turbos, Fuel EFI, dual crank trigger ignition & this thing called a laptop!
I'm gunna miss stabbing the mag, buzzing it, leaking the barrel valve & making an educated guess at the pill! :-(
  Sid. 
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: ggl205 on March 21, 2020, 10:17:30 AM
Anybody heard from Stainless or Johnboy? Just wondering if they are still touring Australia in a motorhome. Sent a couple of text messages but no word back. There was some talk that the US government sent out a message that all US citizens return home from foreign countries or hunker down for the duration. That could be months.

John
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: PorkPie on March 21, 2020, 10:40:03 AM
Stainless and JohnBoy doing fine....

they told the imigration that they will follow a self isolation as they has rent something like an small RV and they are now on a tour...the last, they done the coast line in the south...

I'm in permanent contact with them via email and what's up.....

Pork Pie

Anybody heard from Stainless or Johnboy? Just wondering if they are still touring Australia in a motorhome. Sent a couple of text messages but no word back. There was some talk that the US government sent out a message that all US citizens return home from foreign countries or hunker down for the duration. That could be months.

John
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: ggl205 on March 21, 2020, 11:09:06 AM
Good news and thank you, PorkPie.

John
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: salt27 on March 21, 2020, 12:24:56 PM
Stainless, posted an update on the "Lake Gairdner" forum.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on March 31, 2020, 07:14:47 AM
No worries Mate... after 5 or 6 flight cancellations and changes we are due to be April Fools in the states.  It has been an adventure worthy of Grandchildren stories for our prodigy... at one point we were coming back maybe in May.  We have been self isolating on the Great Ocean Road, from south of Melbourne to Adelaide and then ran to the Victoria border when they announced they would close... and then back on the GOR to way east... stopped before we got too close the NSW and headed to Doc G.   I don't usually drink IPA, but Dr G makes one that seemed to stay down.... We hung out in his shed to not screw up his isolation and distancing requirements. 
Hey, it was an adventure, and we got to see a lot of Australia that we would not have seen if we had actually gone racing... 1700 pics later and ready to go home to isolate there.  I have plenty of car work to do so staying home will be easy.  Oh, did I mention Linda has a list started that includes paint the house if I run out of things to do....
Y'all stay healthy and safe, we are OK so far....
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on August 10, 2020, 05:20:04 AM
Oh, did I mention Linda has a list started that includes paint the house if I run out of things to do....
Y'all stay healthy and safe, we are OK so far....

She must know Corinne.
I've got the same list
G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: salt27 on August 25, 2020, 02:53:32 AM
Happy 170th James!    :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on August 25, 2020, 09:53:13 AM
Long Birthday Celebration planned.... Ya got another 15 hours left here....
Happy Birthday Jimmy...  :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on July 10, 2021, 05:10:58 AM
Not much going on here tonight

I need some bits if anyone can help
I'm looking for  a Pioneer front mount magneto drive for a chev
I found one on ebay in Michigan, but after my recent experiences with UPS, I'm reluctant
And an odd fire distributor for anything, jeep, buick, chev peugeot, renault, volvo
I'm going to put a distributor on the front of the v6 to eliminate one of the problems with the EFI
I've managed to blow the exhaust stack off Ian's dyno twice now, which has made me less than popular there.
G

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on July 10, 2021, 10:35:43 PM
Next you'll be looking for a carb...

mmmmmm, carbs.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: salt27 on July 11, 2021, 02:33:31 AM
Not much going on here tonight

I need some bits if anyone can help
I'm looking for  a Pioneer front mount magneto drive for a chev
I found one on ebay in Michigan, but after my recent experiences with UPS, I'm reluctant
And an odd fire distributor for anything, jeep, buick, chev peugeot, renault, volvo
I'm going to put a distributor on the front of the v6 to eliminate one of the problems with the EFI
I've managed to blow the exhaust stack off Ian's dyno twice now, which has made me less than popular there.
G


I don't know how E-bay shipping works in Australia but the shipping from the UK to the US has been cheaper than I can ship items locally, delivery time is a whole different story but so far I have always received my items.

   Don
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: salt27 on July 11, 2021, 02:35:30 AM
Next you'll be looking for a carb...

mmmmmm, carbs.


I suspect the only carbs you're interested in are the ones in your beer.   :cheers:

 Don
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on July 11, 2021, 10:30:53 AM
I hate to bring this up, but don't y'all live in the country that makes the most/best aftermarket ECUs for racing engines?  I understand it is not an easy change, from distributers and carbs to EFI, but ... I was able to do it.... that means anyone can!
Your motor started life with EFI...
Drag your asses kicking and screaming into the current century  :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on July 11, 2021, 10:46:50 PM
Drag your asses kicking and screaming into the current century  :cheers:

I'm not trying to beat you up, but I agree with Stainless, and I really think you're too far down the path to backpedal.

I get it, guys. When we started these damned projects, they were never ever to have gotten this complex, out-of-hand, out-of-bounds . . . or out-of-pocket.

But I really think the time, money, engineering and effort involved in moving to a magneto would be better spent on a different ECU.








Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on July 11, 2021, 11:22:53 PM
So it has Motec ECU fitted to it with a Motec 14003 digital ignition. Ref and sync sensor fitted. Works great on the bench, not so good on the dyno.
So twelve coils and two ecu's later.....
I've been looking for a way to run it with a distributor so I can eliminate the ignition as the problem.
The front drive unit would allow me to run the MSD HEI thats in my workshop , because it doesn't fit down the back of the engine
 I hadn't planned to fit a carby as I really like the Hilbourn
G

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on July 13, 2021, 06:14:48 AM
12 coils, 2 ECUs and an unmentionable amount of the folding stuff...

The Albatross.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on July 28, 2021, 05:54:57 AM

I don't know how E-bay shipping works in Australia but the shipping from the UK to the US has been cheaper than I can ship items locally, delivery time is a whole different story but so far I have always received my items.

   Don

How ebay shipping goes here.
you buy something on the condition it doesn't come UPS
you pay $130 AUD to have a distributor shipped to Aus
when it gets here, UPS sends you an email saying they have it
and you owe them $100.00 AUD for shipping, $150.00 import duty and $15.00 gst
You explain to them that you have already paid for fright.
and they tell you when you pay the outstanding amount, you can have your parcel

Anyhow, I made my own cam angle sensor that goes in the distributor hole on the V6.
If I could work out how to post pictures....


G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on July 28, 2021, 06:00:48 AM
Hi Grumm,

Are you talking to Americans about international shipping????

 :-D :-D :-D
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on July 28, 2021, 06:23:11 PM
 :dhorse:

G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on August 25, 2021, 10:09:57 AM
Happy Birthday Goggles...
What can I ship ya... make me a list  :cheers:   :friday   :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: salt27 on August 25, 2021, 02:25:07 PM
James, I hope your 171st is a happy one.   :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: manta22 on August 25, 2021, 02:38:24 PM
What on earth is going on in OZ? I saw a survelience video last night of a guy by himself in an elevator without a mask who sneezed and the government has launched a manhunt to catch him and prosecute him. Australia isn't North Korea- why are the people putting up with this?

NZ shuts down the whole country after one person dies of Covid-19? What madness is  happening in the Southern Hemisphere?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on August 25, 2021, 02:53:15 PM
Happy birthday Goggs, you old fart! aktion086 I was catching you there for a minute!
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on August 26, 2021, 09:09:39 PM
Thanks everyone, my birthday passed without incident...

What on earth is going on in OZ? I saw a survelience video last night of a guy by himself in an elevator without a mask who sneezed and the government has launched a manhunt to catch him and prosecute him. Australia isn't North Korea- why are the people putting up with this?

NZ shuts down the whole country after one person dies of Covid-19? What madness is  happening in the Southern Hemisphere?

All I can say is less than 1200 people have died here and we're inching up the.vaccinations before throwing the Gates open for wholesale death and destruction...
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on August 27, 2021, 12:22:42 AM
We've "only" lost 635,000 so far over here Mate! Trump was hoping it would wipe out a large percentage of the elderly population & reduce social security pay out, such a business man.
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on August 27, 2021, 02:08:58 AM
Not for me to comment on politics Sid... but yeah. I've been have having my daily douche of chlorox and horse wormer, dunno if it helps but my hiny smells like Omo.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on August 27, 2021, 11:17:03 AM
Getting away from the smelly stuff, how's the tank coming along?
My clock went clunk again today.
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on August 27, 2021, 05:32:25 PM
Getting away from the smelly stuff, how's the tank coming along?
My clock went clunk again today.
  Sid.


Congratulations...well, I'll be doing a little work on the tank this weekend....just reassembling and stuff...but there's a bit of news....

We're  having a baby here at the Spirit of Sunshine labs...might have to bow out for next years event, by the time I'm ready to go again I think we'll have three.motors...
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on November 08, 2021, 10:05:29 PM
...but there's a bit of news....

We're  having a baby here at the Spirit of Sunshine labs...might have to bow out for next years event, by the time I'm ready to go again I think we'll have three.motors...

Well rumor has it that Spencer... named after Freddie Spencer arrived a little early.... actually real early... not the we just got married and now we have a baby early... Premature... may be the correct description.
So there's plenty of time to get the car ready for racing, no need to skip, Spence will never be able to go racing any younger...
It's like drinking James... if you don't start at breakfast you can't drink all day
Happy Birthday Spencer
Congrats Doc and Cassie...
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on November 08, 2021, 10:11:43 PM
Well that's the internets I guess....man can't break his own news anymore...

Yes, 12 weeks early, 1.519kg(Google it), Cassie's  first time in an ambulance, in hospital, having a baby and even on painkillers...didnt even have time to give her an epidural. He's a week old now and doing as well as could be expected. He's still on low pressure CPAP but he's out of the neonatal ICU.

Nice story but he wasn't named after Freddie specifically. His second name is Thomas after my nephew who we lost in March.

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: kiwi belly tank on November 08, 2021, 10:40:16 PM
Congratulations Mate, I know what you have going there. My twin daughters were born 13 weeks prem at Royal North Shore in Sydney way back in 83, the medical field has come a long way since then.
  Sid.
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on November 08, 2021, 10:41:03 PM
Well Doc, he's a week old... you could have almost informed us by pony express.... if the ride from Australia to here wasn't so far  :?
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Elmo Rodge on November 09, 2021, 08:53:44 AM
Wow.  :cheers:
Wayno and KC
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: SPARKY on December 23, 2021, 11:07:33 PM
 :cheers: to mom and baby---hang in there pop!!!
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on December 23, 2021, 11:28:24 PM
So are we getting Spencer a Telecaster.... or a Les Paul...
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Dr Goggles on December 23, 2021, 11:39:54 PM
"Getting him"?
If he ever makes it out of the coal mine he can get whatever he wants but if it's a Les Paul he'll have to leave it outside.

Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Speed Limit 1000 on December 25, 2021, 07:57:14 PM
Merry Christmas from our team to yours :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: grumm441 on March 02, 2022, 04:26:22 AM

It's like drinking James... if you don't start at breakfast you can't drink all day


words to live by

G
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: salt27 on August 25, 2023, 01:43:28 AM
Happy 173rd James.   :cheers:
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Stainless1 on August 25, 2023, 10:24:08 AM
Happy Birthday Doc G... long time no see, but may be changing that next year.   :friday
Thought I spotted your car here the other day... but it was a Camaro so only 2 doors...
Title: Re: Australian Belly Tank
Post by: Speed Limit 1000 on August 25, 2023, 02:19:01 PM
When you continue to have birthdays that is a good thing. I hope you enjoyed your special day :cheers: