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Loring Timing Association (Maine) => Loring (AFB) land speed venue => Topic started by: Kawi9 on June 30, 2010, 02:08:54 PM
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Hi everybody,
I'm new on this forum and i start a new thread, because it's the first time i will go to Loring for race. I never race at mile mark event before and i prepare my bike for pass the tech inspection for break 200 mph at the event to Loring. I read the rules, but i have some questions on some rules ?
First my bike is a street bike, it's Kawasaki ZX9R Turbo 00. I built my turbo kit and tuned my self. I ran on the street with this set up since 4 years.
My set up is :
Motor #1 : J.E Forged Turbo pistons 8:1
Motor #2 : Stock and lower compression with space plate
Turbo kit is built my self
Turbo : Little Mitsubishi
Intercooler air to air
Water injection system too (50/50 water and methanol)
Bolt on extended swingarm +6 in.
I would like to know what is my race class ?
Frame class : M : Modified Production ( extended +6 in = 62 inches) Right ???
Engine class : BG : Turbo motor with gasoline and water injection system allowed.
I would like to know if water injection system allowed is water only or 50/50 water
and methanol ???
Engine displacement class : 1000cc : my bike is 899cc ( no 900cc class :cry:) Right ???
Also, the rule of the batteries is :
7.B.26 Batteries:
All batteries shall be properly secured with metal hold downs, framework and fasteners. Plastic tie-downs are not allowed. OEM battery hold-downs may not be adequate.
On my bike I don't have strap for secured my battery. My OEM factory lock setup on my bike, it's my seat locked my battery. Do i need to strap my battery ???
Questions on secure the bolts and parts :
The front wheel shaft is lock by two bolts on each side ( OEM factory). Do i need to secure the bolts with a wire ???
The oil bolt for flush the motor oil, wired too ???
Need some modifications to the oil filter. My filter is relocated.
Thank you to everybody will help me.
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I believe if you run water injection with 50% alcohol you will be in fuel class.
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Also the limit on swing arm length cannot be more than 10% over stock for M class. If your wheelbase is 56" then 5.6 over is the limit. Front axle must be safety wired on both ends and the pinch bolts must be safety wired.
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definately will be in fuel class, not gas if running methanol into your fuel.
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You would be in MPS-BF-1000. If you ran straight H2O in your water injection tank, you could run in MPS-BG-1000, but since both records are over 235 mph, I'd save yourself the hassle of getting your tank sealed and run in BF.
Nice bike :cheers:
Dean
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You would be in MPS-BF-1000. If you ran straight H2O in your water injection tank, you could run in MPS-BG-1000, but since both records are over 235 mph, I'd save yourself the hassle of getting your tank sealed and run in BF.
Nice bike :cheers:
Dean
Thanks Dean,
I don't want break a record. Because, he don't have 900cc class and i'm will be in 1000cc class !!!! My little 899cc can't rival with the newest 1000cc turbo bikes. My turbo is a small turbo for the street and it's not good for break a record. I just want break the 200 mph mark. I go to Loring for fun and also it's not too far my home :-)
I will going in MPS-BF-1000 class, because my bike is tuned with 50/50 W/M.
Dean, Can you think break your personal record (245mph) this years at Loring ?
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Also the limit on swing arm length cannot be more than 10% over stock for M class. If your wheelbase is 56" then 5.6 over is the limit. Front axle must be safety wired on both ends and the pinch bolts must be safety wired.
The stock wheelbase is 55,7 in. + 10% = 61.27 in. My bike have ± 62 in. with extension :x Can you tell me what is the # of this rule. I don't saw this rule :? and i want read this rule. Thanks
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You're fine in Modified up to 68". The 10% rule is for the SCTA, not Loring. Loring follows the ECTA rulebook. (Some folks are SCTA-centric :-D )
I have no idea how fast I may go at Loring this year. We had a decent tailwind last year on Sunday, and clearly I can't expect that again. In any case I had hoped to go 230+ at Maxton this year, and that hasn't happened, so who knows.
Dean
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As far as the battery goes, the seat locking it down won't be enough. It will have to have some metal brackets/straps that secure it with the seat off. You didn't say anything so i assume you already have a tether kill switch and full length metal chain guard already taken care of. Safety wiring, or cotter pins, should be securing the front and rear axles. Metal valve stems, proper rated tires, steering going lock to lock, stabilizer.... Look forward to meeting you and seeing her run.
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Long stainless steel hose clamp will satisfy rule and safely secure the battery ...
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Long stainless steel hose clamp will satisfy rule and safely secure the battery ...
Thanks, i do it and it's work.
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I know we need to drill and put a safety wiring on front/rear axles and i would like to know all bolts need wiring on the bike ? Thanks
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I suggest you safety wire the drain plug ... I have brake calipers safety wired but not required ... remember dead man kill switch and steering damper. Metal valve stems and caps. Tires rated for speed of class.
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I suggest you safety wire the drain plug ...
i believe oil fill cap and oil filter need safety wire also.
franey
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... fuel lines, chain guard, etc.
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On your tires, they must be rated for speed of the record in your class, not how fast you want to run. There was a huge fight about SCTA changing the tire rules to require "racing tires", but I am not certain if it was adopted by ECTA.
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We have not established minimum speeds for records in open classes at Loring, and as most of our records are open, our recommendation is Safety,as usual.
At any venue it is prudent to fit the proper tire based mostly on speed potential, and the surface , as in traction/wear characteristics.
As the ECTA/LTA rulebook does read exactly as "Blackslax" says, we expect a few racers to quote that rule.
We'll also see some participants finding a convenient loophole in translating open record, or very low record to mean tires entirely inappropriate for the speeds attained.
We will adhere to the rules as stated, but please, err in favor of Safety in choosing your tires.
Simply, after you set a "easy" record, the "letter/speed" records will apply to faster runs. Save Tech and yourself another inspection by having the proper tires, First.
Bottom line, it's a long ride , and being a 135 car or not running at all because you scrimped on a minor investment, is going to ruin your weekend.
Yeah, I know some of you are confused, but reread it before you flame this thread.
Bob W, PIA LTA Guy
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Sorry for misspeaking. I broke the first rule ECTA/LTA and read the SCTA book :-D
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Blackslax, you actually did not "misspeak", you just omitted a bit. Page 19 in the SCTA and page 15 in the ECTA/LTA book have practically the same info I just stated,only the sentences syntax is rearranged.
SCTA/BNI, USFRA, ECTA, and The LTA are on the same page,Safety wise.
The LTA hopes someday to be deserving of commonly being mentioned in the same sentence with these reputable responsible organizations, and to that end we will try our best to be worthy of that honor. Emulating Safety practices evolved since the middle of the last century in LSR , sometimes at the most extreme human cost, is the only obvious path. Ignoring reality to save a buck, or in the case of more business minded venues, to make a buck, is not an option.
Bob W, The LTA Guy
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This is my first event too and i did not see anything in the rules that states the oil filler and drains had to be safety wired. Can somebody please clarify?
Tom
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I suggest you safety wire the drain plug ...
i believe oil fill cap and oil filter need safety wire also.
franey
i misstated on this rule again.
they were taken out of the rulebook 1 or 2 yrs. ago. [ecta & lta]
my drains and k&n were wired this weekend.
franey
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I suggest you safety wire the drain plug ...
i believe oil fill cap and oil filter need safety wire also.
franey
i misstated on this rule again.
they were taken out of the rulebook 1 or 2 yrs. ago. [ecta & lta]
my drains and k&n were wired this weekend.
franey
I put a safety wire on rear and front axle on both side. I wired the lock axle bolt on the forks too.
If i understand right the oil fill cap, screw drain and oil filter not need safety wire ?
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Not required but I do wire my mine ... Joe
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Thanks 55chevr :wink:
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I would like to know the opening hours friday for the inspection ? Because, i want to arrive early.
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Friday Vehicle inspection starts as soon as all our volunteers are ready.
Don't count on that until the afternoon. We'll have a PA system in place this year, and will announce the formal start of inspections.
Bob W
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I'm ask a question ? I read the rule on the valves and caps :
7.B.9 Valve Stems and Caps:
All tire valve stems must be fitted with metal valve caps. Over 175 MPH, tubeless tires must use metal valve stems...
I have aluminium caps valves with stock valve. It's good for 200 MPH goal :?
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Nope You will need to get metal stems for anything over 175 mph.
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Thanks, but it's not a good news for me. :x
I will tyrying to find metal valvestem shortly. Because, i go to Loring in 4 days !!!!! :|
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most auto parts stores will have metal valve stems ... I got them at Pep Boys
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And rebalanced You don't want a shake at 200 :cheers: Good luck.
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The valves problem is fixed. The metal valves are installed on my front and rear tires :lol:
Thanks everybody.
I have another one question : How many run can i do per day :?
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I have another one question : How many run can i do per day :?
Like Maxton, there is no limit on the number of runs. How many runs you get depends on the number of entrants, number of delays (weather, oil downs, problem with the clocks, etc) and how quickly you can get back to the starting area while obeying speed limits in the pits and on the return road. Good luck. Sad I can't be there . . .
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ECTA is the most efficient event you will ever see. They manage 40 runs an hour which is extraordinary. LTA is almost as efficient thanks to Joe Timney running the starting line. He was everywhere at once last year. I would guess with the longer course there are 30 runs plus an hour at Loring.
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No limit run. That's a good news !!!
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Just mounted 2 spares for the trailers trip to Maine.
Loading up after the Chassis Dyno tests on Tuesday.
Charles
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Can't wait to see the first video of the "Satin Lady" :-D racing down the course!!! Good luck Charles Darlin'
See you on the salt!
Lynda
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Last year on Sunday afternoon the yellow camaro Massachusetts guys were hot lapping it ... great guys ... made it even more fun ... JD
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Last year on Sunday afternoon the yellow camaro Massachusetts guys were hot lapping it ... great guys ... made it even more fun ... JD
Those guys were a blast! :cheers: In team competition, fun stuff!