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Swedish "Ice Speed Racing" => Landracing.SE => Topic started by: Seldom Seen Slim on November 14, 2009, 09:32:49 AM
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John Ellwood, of the Swedish Motor Alliance, asked me to create a board for the Swedish Ice Racers. Here it is, John -- and everyone else, too. Have at it. Yes -- studded tires ARE allowed!
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Hi everyone, on behalf of the SMA and Glenn Ocklund, it is a great honour to be on your Topic board. Please feel free to discuss anything about the Flying Kilometer on Ice with us. Everyone is getting excited here as the lakes start to freeze, and our second Flying K event in late March shall soon be opon us. Our track is 3 km long, the first Km to build up speed and the last one to brake.
The Speedweekend on Ice 2010 18-20 March regs have come out now, Check out www.landracing.se ,see header Tävlingsinformation then Speedweekend on ice then inbjudan(invitation)/startlista(startlist). Anyone wanting to sign up can send their name, adress, vehicle etc to us. A limited amount of you LSR members without the possibility of bringing a vehicle, but wanting to come and try their luck can borrow my Kawasaki ZXR 750 `89. Its not so fast, but reliable, and last time on the ice managed 181 kmh ridden by Mad Micke Andersson with a front wheel puncture!
The long studded tyres can drop normal asphalt speeds by up to 20 %, so there is quite a bit of experimenting which studs give optimal results. There were even some cars and bikes last time which ran normal tyres !
Also a factor is the extreme cold - when we woke up there one morning it was -30 degrees C. Some cars were difficult to start, as their antifreeze/Glykol wasn`t adequate, the engine oil sticky, also a factor to drive around and warm up the engine, gearbox and diff oil before letting rip on the track. Even a thought about laptops - it was so cold my screen wouldnt show anything, so I was unable to reprogram the electronic choke curves. The coming event we hope to have a heated container to mechanic and warm up our bikes and quads in.
I`m sure a lot of our SMA www.landracing.se guys and girls can tell you more exact figures than me, so fire away and ask
Here is an english translation of our coming event:- Seldom Seen Slim- let me know if this is too much info.
Invitation:
Speed Weekend on Ice 25-27 Mars 2010 Funäsdalen
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This race is held according to Landracings national racing rules together with these additional rules.
Even open for foreign drivers.
Police permission:
SMA Svenska Motorsport Alliansen sanctioned race
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ARRANGER: Landracing.se / Glenn Ocklund
RACE LEADERS: Glenn Ocklund/ Peter Nordling
ORGANISATIONS KOMMITTEE: To be announced later
TYPE OF RACE: Land Speed Record on Ice, flying kilometer open for all vehicles.
RACE STATUS: SM Swedish mastership in speed record on ice is flying kilometer
RACE TRACK: The race consists of a speed record track totally 3,2 km long, 30 m wide. 1,1 km acceleration. 1 km measured, 1,1 km braking stretch.
Flying 100 meter för slower vehicles.
1. Speed record Thursday-Saturday
2. Ice track for mc, bil open for training
CLASSES:
Class 1 Moped < 50 cc
Class 2 Moped <90 cc
Class 3 Mc <500 cc
Class 4 Mc <750 cc
Class 5 Mc <1000 cc
Class 6 Mc >1000 cc
Class 7 Snow scooter <600 cc
Class 8 Snow scooter <1000 cc
Class 9 Snow scooter >1000 cc
Class 10 Quad <450 cc
Class 11 Quad <750 cc
Class 12 Quad <1000 cc
Class 13 Quad >1001 cc
Class 14 Car< 2000 cc (1979-2009)
Class 15 Car <3000 cc (1979-2009)
Class 16 Car >3001 cc (1979-2009)
Class 17 Roadster-<1949
Class 18 Coupe -<1949
Class 19 Sedan -<1949
Class 20 Pickup -<1949
Class 21 50 1950-1959
Class 22 60 1960-1969
Class 23 70 1970-1979
Class 24 Truck 1950-1979
Class 25 FE Dragster front engine
Class 26 RE Dragster rear engine
Class 27 Truck over 3500 kg
Class 28 Other class, which does not class in the above classes
Class 29 Mc V-Twin <1949
Class 30 Mc V-Twin >1950
Class 31 Killer Bee (Pit bike in accordance with Finnish Bomber rules)
Class 32 Car <1000 cc
Class 33 Car <500 cc
Class 34 Mc 500 cc <1949
Class 35 Mc 501 cc < 1949
Class 36 Mc 500 cc <1973
Class 37 Mc 501 cc < 1973
Class 38 JET
Class 39 Sidecar Mc
Note! Class 1-39 A, B, D, T, after the class , A=Without overpressure
B=With overpressure and/or Laughing gas. D=Diesel. T=2 stroke motor.
Class 17-26 applies to USA vehicles
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STARTPLACE: Funäsdalen/Ljusnedal Gyllene Bocken. Depot by the start
Reporting/testing: Reporting 08.00 – 10:00. At the depot 25/3, 08:00-09:00 26-27/3
Driving between runs: All transport shall be at walking pace, or with engine turned off.
Drivers who do not respect this rule will be disqualified.
TRAINING: After the drivers meeting by class
DRIVERS MEETING: 10.30 am At the Depot. With a name call out for all drivers, all days
FIRST START: Thursday 11.00 am, Friday 10.00 am, Saturday 10.00am
Race track prohibited After the race is finished every day, no tracks are allowed to be driven
SERVICEPLACE: The arrangers shall show the Service place. An environment mat or tarpaulin under the vehicle to be used.
VEHICLE: According to the separate classes.
RACE : One training pass without time, then record attempt Thurs 25/3 to Sat 27/3 13:00.
Saturday 27/3 13:00-15:30 final for the 3 fastest in each class class where the Swedish Mastership will be given to the absolute fastest Vehicle. (even an earlier time can be counted)
FINAL INSTRUCTION: A PM may be given out if necessary on site, or be issued on the website
ENTRY MONEY: The entry money for three days is 800 SEK, whereof a deposit of 400 SEK shall be paid into Swedish BankGiro 5635-9169 latest 25 February so that the entry can be registered. After the registered payment is made, then your place is booked.
Eventual late entries (if space left) then payment will be 1200:- (total)
ENTRY: The entry shall be made to the arranger latest 25 February 2010.
The entry MUST be made at www.speedweekend@landracing.se och MUST include the following.
Name
Address
Mobil nr
Mail address
Class (plus A,B, D, or T(can be more than one)
Vehicle (model, type)
Entry/Sponsor
Wished start nr (look in the start number list and choose a
free one) preferably not more than 3 digits)
Depot size (car+trailer, bus or truck length and bredth)
Photo (preferably photo of vehicle – optional)
AMOUNT OF STARTERS: Arrangers maintain the right to limit total of starters to 60. If there are more entries, then first come, first served rule guarantees the start possibility.
PRIZE JUDGING: This is by class with a Diploma to all with the highest registered speed. Trophies from 1st to the 6th placed total fastest. If 7 entries in one class then a trophy will be given to the first, if 10 entries in one class then the top 3 get a trophy
RESULT LIST: Will be given out at the start line after the race is finished and posted on the website
PRIZES: Free for sponsors to come with a prize suggestion
PRIZE GIVING: As soon as possible after the evening food at the Gyllene Bocken.
CANCELLATION/
INFO: Glenn Ocklund info@Landracing.se +46 705 610 500
PRESS/MEDIA: info@Landracing.se
POSTPONEMENT: If the racing permission is not obtained ,or less than 40 entries , then the race can be blown off.
Announced on website www.Landracing.se
PROTESTS: leave your eventual protests within 30 minutes after the end of the finished race
LICENCE: A one time licence for the event can be purchased upon arrival. SMA issue these, car 3 days 150 SEK, Mc 200 SEK, several drivers can share the same vehicle, but each driver must purchase a licence in order to be insured.
ENVIRONMENT: Environment mats shall always be used at your service stops. Green fuel is recommended, such as Aspen Plus or racing 102 oktane, E 85, etc.
CATERING: On the ice Gyllene Bocken serves Lunch which is included in the lodgings package from Gyllene bocken, served between 12-13:00
LODGINGS: All lodgings in Funæsdalen can be booked simplest through www.Gyllenebocken.se info@gyllenebocken.se Tel: +46 (0) 684 210 90
CAMPING: There is a possibility to camp in the depot, although a spaces .
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Fundamental rules Speed Weekend
• Three days on the ice, Thurs-Saturday.
• Tyres :- you can use what you like, but they must be in good condition. The arrangers test crew shall inspect and mark all tyres at the testing station upon arrival.
• Obligatory dead mans grip on mc, quad, scooter, moped.
• Start numbers are provided on site by the arranger, and shall mounted on the cars side back side windows or front door, so the driver needs to ensure an area of 200x200 mm to mount the start numbers on.
• Racing leathers or similar obligatory on MC, Snow scooter or Moped and Quad. Also Helmet, Back protector, leather gloves or similar.
• Safety equipment in car: Helmet, gloves, flameproof underclothes are the minimum demand.
• Transponder is not necessary
• Environment mat is a demand, and take care with glykol and oil because it is a sensitive nature environment. Any spills shall be reported directly to the race organizers.
• Handling runs are to be with care, and the speed to be increased by 30 kmh steps after 150 kmh in order to get the feeling of the vehicle and check the tyres / vehicle for extra safety.
1,1 km run up, 1km timed speed stretch, 1,1 km braking stretch.
• Safety classing the car :
Without roll cage – 250 kmh average speed.
Over 250 km average speed – a proper recommended roll cage/bar with supports, 4 point seatbelt and racing seat and prop shaft protection ring
Open cars must be equipped with at least a roll bar with supports and hand proection
• Lodgings package can be booked for the GylleneBocken ons-sunday for a reduced price, and this is reserved for drivers/team, many other kinds of lodgings can be booked through the Gyllenebocken Tel: +46 (0) 684 210 90.
• The Speed track is divided into 2 different sectors depending on the speed, - track 1 short track flying kilometer 100 meter, track 2 flying kilometer 3,2 km long.
• For other questions contact info@Landracing.se
• Time taking is done by Fredrik Skoghag www.SLC.se with photocells, the time is measured when the vehicle passes the photocells.
• Ambulance is on place Thursday, Friday and Saturday
• www.guinnessworldrecords.com can attend but the driver has to contact them, this must be done at least 2 months before the record attempt, preferably 3 months, and they only recognize the fastest MC , Car , etc – (they do not recognize class wins, only absolute fastest car, mc, etc)
• Rock band is booked for Saturday night.
• All photographing and filming for private use is allowed, press cards are necessary for the Media
• Otherwise we hope you have a plaesant weekend on the ice , with Spring sunshine.
(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj292/ellwoodhybrid/Ellwood%20Hybrid/EllwoodHybrid500cc.jpg)
(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj292/ellwoodhybrid/SpeedweekendCamp.jpg)
(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj292/ellwoodhybrid/lsrsuperscooter.jpg)
(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj292/ellwoodhybrid/lsrrustrod.jpg)
(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj292/ellwoodhybrid/lsrpieterbilt.jpg)
(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj292/ellwoodhybrid/lsrgocart.jpg)
(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj292/ellwoodhybrid/lsrfastfreddy.jpg)
(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj292/ellwoodhybrid/lsrcarsnostuds.jpg)
Regards, Ellwood(http://)
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Hi everyone, on behalf of the SMA and Glenn Ocklund, it is a great honour to be on your Topic board. Please feel free to discuss anything about the Flying Kilometer on Ice with us. Everyone is getting excited here as the lakes start to freeze, and our second Flying K event in late March shall soon be opon us. Our track is 3 km long, the first Km to build up speed and the last one to brake.
The long studded tyres can drop normal asphalt speeds by up to 20 %, so there is quite a bit of experimenting which studs give optimal results. There were even some cars and bikes last time which ran normal tyres !
Also a factor is the extreme cold - when we woke up there one morning it was -30 degrees C. Some cars were difficult to start, as their antifreeze/Glykol wasn`t adequate, the engine oil sticky, also a factor to drive around and warm up the engine, gearbox and diff oil before letting rip on the track. Even a thought about laptops - it was so cold my screen wouldnt show anything, so I was unable to reprogram the electronic choke curves. The coming event we hope to have a heated container to mechanic and warm up our bikes and quads in.
I`m sure a lot of our SMA www.landracing.se guys and girls can tell you more exact figures than me, so fire away and ask.
Regards, Ellwood
Here is their site translated by Google into English. http://translate.google.com/translate?prev=hp&hl=en&js=y&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.landracing.se&sl=sv&tl=en&history_state0= (http://translate.google.com/translate?prev=hp&hl=en&js=y&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.landracing.se&sl=sv&tl=en&history_state0=)
Ellwood, what is the top speed you guys are hitting on ice? I have to think anything faster than a slow walk at -30 C has to be great on exposed skin!
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Hi bbarn, The fastest guy , Peter Vestman on a Hayabusa managed 247.81 kmh, (approx 150 mph.)
Cars,: Audi RS4 228.76, Ford Roadster-34 203.76, Harley Superglide (supercharged) 214.03
Only the four above drivers made it in the above 200kmh club.
But we had a grasscutter tractor which made 149.56, and a jet driven spark (a sort of sledge like the huskies pull) that made it like 20 yards or so, and warmed us all up with the flames.
The biggest machine was an old Peterbilt truck, and the smallest was a guy on a snow racer (pulled behind a van) that made 150 kmh.
check out the 200 kmh club guys, at top of website it on header Välkommen (welcome) then under pops up 200kmh ice club.
Under the header Tävlingsinformation (race information) , then förare ( driver) presentation you can see some of the vehicles that are coming next event, and their speeds from last event.
Also you can see under header Media then bild (photo) and film
You guys may become pretty good at Swedish before you come and visit the race.
Regards, Ellwood
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This is so cool (ha, ha, ha, I just crack me up) !
:-D
(http://www.landracing.se/images/SANY0286.JPG)
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this looks like a good way to get those swedes out of the forests during winter-
i had a go at ice racing on a 490 ktm in iceland a ways back-we just used a cordless driver to put woodscrews though the knobs on knobblie moto-x tyres,the inner side was sealed with two blobs of silicon and a hd inner tube used for insurance-
the lean angles were like a superbike on asphalt-and the riding/braking tecniques were different
the thought of modern sportbikes with the same capacity is a good thought-
have fun and enjoy-will watch this space-
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Hi there!
Last years event showed that a speed event really was needed here in Sweden, there are no dry bed lakes around here so there has been no place for us to test our vehicles in terms of top speed. The Speed Weekend is also great since it allows almost any kind of vehicles, both the racers and the audience appreciate the wide variety of vehicles ranging from gocarts with motorcycle engines to beautifully restored veteran cars.
We ran a gas turbine kick last year, it was more or less a pile of crap welded together so we were almost as surprised as the audience when we managed to get it roaring down the race track 40m or so. This winter we are going to make a serious (well, relatively at least...) attempt with a pulsejet powered kick, an ice yacht with twin pulse jets, a steam rocket powered kick and one or two kicks with large homebuilt afterburning gas turbines.
If we cannot be the fastest guys on the track we can at least be the loudest. :-D
(http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee196/Anders811017/Mobackenracing.jpg)
(http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee196/Anders811017/Sparkkrning.jpg)
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I'm mot sure what to say -- but have at it -- looks like you're having fun!
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Sure wouldn't want to fall off with the afterburner on! :-o :evil:
Pete
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Fall off, that would be nothing compared to an un-contained catastrophic engine failure! :-o
Chestnuts roasting on an open fire.... (Come on now, everybody sing along since it's stuck in your head now too)
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:-D
yeeeeh---- VIKING POWER!!!
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:-o The cold does strange things to people! Thats why I live in Aridzona! ( Does look like fun tho,,,,,,Tech,,,major headaches!) Crow.
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One thing that people noticed during last years race was that the studded tyres needed for traction on the ice produced very high friction at speed, one guy in a 2-stroke SAAB talked about having to change his transmission because his car couldn´t reach top revs because of the studded tyres.
This is why I believe that steel runners are superior to wheels for a jet powered vehicle on ice, close to zero ground friction no matter what speed you are at. In my mind there is no problem building a jet powered kick that can reach an average speed of +200km/h, we´ll find out this year what speed a 70-80lbs thrust engine can reach. A 300lbs pulse jet engine coupled to a lightweight kick with aerodynamical fairings and enough downforce to keep it on the ice might be enough to reach my goal.
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One thing that people noticed during last years race was that the studded tyres needed for traction on the ice produced very high friction at speed, one guy in a 2-stroke SAAB talked about having to change his transmission because his car couldn´t reach top revs because of the studded tyres.
This is why I believe that steel runners are superior to wheels for a jet powered vehicle on ice, close to zero ground friction no matter what speed you are at. In my mind there is no problem building a jet powered kick that can reach an average speed of +200km/h, we´ll find out this year what speed a 70-80lbs thrust engine can reach. A 300lbs pulse jet engine coupled to a lightweight kick with aerodynamical fairings and enough downforce to keep it on the ice might be enough to reach my goal.
Coat the bottoms of the skids with Teflon or try and get your hands on some of this stuff. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xo58oWW09qQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xo58oWW09qQ) :-D
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Teflon coating will give even less friction, that is true. The problem is that the runners on a kick is also used to steer with, so for high speed runners to work they have to be grinded just like a hockey skate with sharp edges so that they can keep the kick going straight. If they were coated the risk is that the kick can start going sideways on the track.
I have to add that the jet powered section of Swedish landspeed racing consists of a very small group of people, so if someone have more serious matters to discuss about "real" landspeed vehicles on ice please do so. Until then I would be happy to exchange thoughts about runners and thrust powered vehicles. :-)
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This just goes to prove that no mater what the vehicle or what engine it uses to drive it there will always be a mother that asks "wonder how safe is it?", a tree hugger that asks "wonder how good is the mileage?" a penny pincher that asks "wonder how long will it last?" and a gearhead that asks "wonder how fast I can make that sombitch go?"
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So I assume that the runners on a kick are like a skag on a snowmobile?
If so, grind them with triangular bottoms on them so that they have less surface area on the ground, then coat them. You can get skags for sleds already in that shape and made out of carbide. The carbide is a little slippery-er than steel, and they wear great.
Man I wanna get to the salt....BAD! :cry:
Off topic, we were talking last night, what color are the 400 and 500 club hats? (not that we're planning anything :-D)
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This just goes to prove that no mater what the vehicle or what engine it uses to drive it there will always be a mother that asks "wonder how safe is it?", a tree hugger that asks "wonder how good is the mileage?" a penny pincher that asks "wonder how long will it last?" and a gearhead that asks "wonder how fast I can make that sombitch go?"
ROTFLMAO!
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Just a question and a comment; do ya'll have steel edges on your cross-country skis?
Teflon coating will give even less friction, that is true. The problem is that the runners on a kick is also used to steer with, so for high speed runners to work they have to be grinded just like a hockey skate with sharp edges so that they can keep the kick going straight. If they were coated the risk is that the kick can start going sideways on the track.
If somebody REALLY wants to build a big fire, and qualify for the "Darwin Awards"; Talk to Pork Pie and see if he can rummage up a pulse jet from a
V-1. That engine was capable of moving a ton of TNT to London, oughta work to the theory that "if you want to build a big fire, get a big stove!"
Jim
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Trellborg knobbys + studs + 500cc Yamaha = snow bike. It was lots of fun. The skiers loved to talk to me about the ruts on the ski trails. This project ended by popular demand.
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I pushed the wrong button.
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So I assume that the runners on a kick are like a skag on a snowmobile?
If so, grind them with triangular bottoms on them so that they have less surface area on the ground, then coat them. You can get skags for sleds already in that shape and made out of carbide.
Not really, they are rectangular pieces of iron bar that are flat-bottomed. The most common use of a kick is when old ladys take them to go shopping at the local store, so standard runners doesen´t have sharp edges since a kick is not designed to see speeds above 10MPH.
Here is a pic of my runners when I was putting some paint on them, they are not grinded or treated yet.
(http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee196/Anders811017/IMG_1776.jpg)
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Fascinating. We've discussed racing on ice in the past on these forums. Here in Wisconsin, both motorcycles and automobiles race on the ice on an oval course.
But I'll be the first to admit that I was always a bit skeptical about how one could prepare a race surface long enough over ice to be viable. Ice heaves would be my concern.
Do you prepare your course, and if so, how? Is the lake your racing on spring fed, and if so, does that cause problems?
This looks like it would be a real fun event.
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Up here (in Negaunee, Michigan) we have high-speed snowmobile runs during the winter. The lake is about two miles long -- Teal Lake -- and is small enough that there aren't any heaves or bumps or need to smooth it for racing. I don't kow for sure how long -- might be long enough for a one-mile run up, timing trap, then shut down. And how to stop those that are still going at the end of shutdown? How about a big pile of fluffy snow?
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That's what we need at El Mirage!
But it might be hard to keep the kids from playing in it -- if they figured out what it was.
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Something the propster should jump on
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Unfortunately Mother Nature's the only one that can make big piles of fluffy snow. As soon as it's shoveled into a pile by her assistants it starts to get hard rather rapidly. That's the reason that people are able to make igloos that some folk think we live in up here. Disturbed snow firms up rather quickly and can be cut into blocks.
Hope Thanksgiving went well for all my American friends!
Pete
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Hi,
my name is Jens and live in Sweden, just got the info from my old friend John Elwood that they started here on this great landracing.com page a forum about icespeedrecords. Super!
We made here on the lake last winter 238 kmh, app. 148 mph on a NOS powered Buell 1125R with stuntrider Craig Jones, than the clutch was spinning (can say that now after BMC is history...).
So heres the story: http://www.nccr.se/html/craig_jones_iceproject_2009.html (http://www.nccr.se/html/craig_jones_iceproject_2009.html)
and here is the video:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuI2l5iSe1E (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuI2l5iSe1E) (there are also some commercials from H-D out there)
I am working on the next bike to go much faster.... (-:
Jens
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Did I see that right -- that the rider is following a three or four foot wide "channel" plowed in the snow on top of the ice? That doesn't leave much room for steering, does it?
Looks fun -- no sweating for hours when waiting in line. Wear your long underwear, though. . .
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This looks like a lot of fun! I can't see what type of studs or spikes you are using - is there a clear picture or description? (I used to ice race and we used a specialized sheet metal screw (almost 4 cm long) screwed through the tire into a street tire (with the bead removed) for stability. I'm just curious.)
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Ice Studs for bikes - a guy called Peter Lundqvist in Sweden fixes us half inch long sharp spikes , they are half the length of proper ice racing spikes.
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http://koldkutter.com/catalog/products.php
This is what is typically used over here: traction is no problem with big-bore dirt bikes although I don't know how they would work with 150 HP superbikes!
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The problem seems to be more with the front tyre spikes falling out, if the spike nuts loosen (best to loctite them) and use an asbestos board in front of the radiator in case the flying spikes puncture it
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Seldom Seen Slim,
it looks smaller than it was. We plowed 6 meters wide, app. 18 feet for this run, but I would not recommend that for public racedays...
About the wheels and studs, i made a lot of different solutions, patterns and studs including tubeless studtires. There is a big diffeence between a wheel you like to stunt with or have fun in playing around in ice an snow and a wheel you like to go really fast with.
Over all i think icespeedrecoordracing is an interesting alternative to go on a save way to very high speeds.
Jens
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30 years ago we were using 2 cm (3/4") screws into Carlisle grass racing tires. They offered enough traction to pull knobs off but they were not rigid and would move around a lot. I think screws work like a negative-rake cutting tool i.e. they grab the ice with a 90-degree angled edge. "Traction" screws would be oriented in a different direction than "cornering" screws or "braking" screws. You can hear them scraping when cornering and braking. By using smaller diameter "street" tires inside the Carlisle (with the bead removed) to put the screw into, longer screws would maintain their angle with less distortion, plus they would no longer pull knobs off. I think people use motocross tires today with the screws. Cornering angles could be extreme and it was not unusual to move the shift lever "up" so the bike would not accidentally upshift during cornering.
I'm sure you guys know what you're doing! I'm just offering this from an old club racer's perspective. It's been 20 years since I've done this so I'm now out of date. :-(
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great to see fast freddy out there-burning nitro at any chance given- :cheers:
last saw him white out mantorp park in sweden with his chevy pick up-the whole circus faggerstrom was there-a really cool old panel coach,with lots of stunning women around and loads of kids driving around in gasoline tot rods-
the pulse jets look good-we made one as teenagers,but almost torched the old mans garage-so we left that one alone.
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Something the propster should jump on
Believe he already has........
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Jerry, don't tempt him! I still get scads of stuff from him -- even with his address in the "Send to junk file" category.
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Jon............You have any idea how long I`ve been waiting to use that pic.???(!!!!!)
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Jon............You have any idea how long I`ve been waiting to use that pic.???(!!!!!)
Probably since the day you took it . . . :cheers:
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My friend Jobergg from Sweden, posted these studded tire pictures from their ice lake racing, on another forum.
(http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff308/Jobergg/Isracing28feb09Karren049.jpg)
(http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff308/Jobergg/Isracing28feb09Karren051.jpg)
(http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff308/Jobergg/Isracing28feb09Karren053.jpg)
These tires are factory made but some people make their own.
Gasfot talked about buying these tires for the winter, I belive they are homemade but Gasfot maybe know how it is?
[those look allot like golf shoe spikes to me - WM]
(http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff308/Jobergg/DSC01488.jpg)
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Boy, those are the tires we need to get our LSR sidecar to hook up on the salt..........but I don't think
our man Drew would approve of them at the BUB Tech...............................................................
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Jon............You have any idea how long I`ve been waiting to use that pic.???(!!!!!)
Probably since the day you took it . . . :cheers:
Zzzzzzing!!! :cheers:
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Hi guys !
My name is Kristian, 39yrs of age, & about to also try this Flying Kilometre for the first time:
(http://www.geting.se/image.php/210922-kristian.jpg) (http://www.geting.se/viewimage.php?image=210922-kristian.jpg)
thats me, holding an fuelinjector for a"small" ferry. :-D
I´m registered for the event with three vehicles.
1: My porposly built driftcar, an RWD Mitsubishi EVO 2, running an VEMS fuelinjectionsystem,
a Precision680 Turbo & using Ethanol as fuel, the engine gives about 550bhp & weighting
in at only 905kgs.
Stock topspeed with 15" 195/55 wheels is 240kmh, im running 145/80-15 iseracingtires &
1500rpm higher revlimiter which "should" enable me to reach 300kmh on tarmac, on ice, well,
we just have to see. I´m attenting though to be fastest 2L turbocar.
Pics:
(http://www.geting.se/image.php/210911-rodaladdevo.jpg) (http://www.geting.se/viewimage.php?image=210911-rodaladdevo.jpg)
(http://www.geting.se/image.php/210912-4.jpg) (http://www.geting.se/viewimage.php?image=210912-4.jpg)
(http://www.geting.se/image.php/210913-7710-new_2009-02-23-kristian_pa_isen_3.jpg) (http://www.geting.se/viewimage.php?image=210913-7710-new_2009-02-23-kristian_pa_isen_3.jpg)
(http://www.geting.se/image.php/210914-7710-new_2009-02-23-kristian_pa_isen_4.jpg) (http://www.geting.se/viewimage.php?image=210914-7710-new_2009-02-23-kristian_pa_isen_4.jpg)
(http://www.geting.se/image.php/152827-PICT0003.JPG) (http://www.geting.se/viewimage.php?image=152827-PICT0003.JPG)
(http://www.geting.se/image.php/152830-PICT0002.JPG) (http://www.geting.se/viewimage.php?image=152830-PICT0002.JPG)
(http://www.geting.se/image.php/152833-PICT0004.JPG) (http://www.geting.se/viewimage.php?image=152833-PICT0004.JPG)
Videos:
http://www.garaget.org/video/x08qwgmyqz51
http://www.garaget.org/video/lz9enmbw5rdu
http://www.garaget.org/video/pj3n3arnwz7o
2: "Homemade" gokart, using an 125cc shiftercartchassies with an ex: Chesterfield 250cc moto-X
engine with close to 55bhp., geared for 262 kmh with cartslicks, but icetires gives a lot
higher gearing so will try & gear the cart for around 220-240kmh, Using an supercart frontspolier
& rear wing of an racecar to keep the cart stable during runs. rear wing is totally adjustable aswell.
Pics:
(http://www.geting.se/image.php/210916-isdack5.jpg.JPG) (http://www.geting.se/viewimage.php?image=210916-isdack5.jpg.JPG) - New version:
(http://www.geting.se/image.php/210918-gokartisdack.jpg) (http://www.geting.se/viewimage.php?image=210918-gokartisdack.jpg) - Old version:
(http://www.geting.se/image.php/210917-kartfront.JPG) (http://www.geting.se/viewimage.php?image=210917-kartfront.JPG) - frontspolier
Videos:
http://www.garaget.org/video/kvs6p6rvesve (testing for the very first time)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PPYvvpk8tc - observe the exploding waterline in the end
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lk9x855IH4A - 154kmh using 50-60% throttle in 4th gear
3: Pitbike 150cc Lifan MONSTER engine with aprox 22bhp when engine is completed in a few weeks.
Running homemade iceracingtires made from 5mm bolts with washers & lockingnuts.
Pics:
(http://www.geting.se/image.php/210919-537.JPG) (http://www.geting.se/viewimage.php?image=210919-537.JPG) - can you spot the handlebars ?
(http://www.geting.se/image.php/210920-544.JPG) (http://www.geting.se/viewimage.php?image=210920-544.JPG) - here they are :-)
(http://www.geting.se/image.php/210921-fiddy304.JPG) (http://www.geting.se/viewimage.php?image=210921-fiddy304.JPG) - engine LIFAN 150cc 4-stroke
(http://www.geting.se/image.php/210923-fiddy405.JPG) (http://www.geting.se/viewimage.php?image=210923-fiddy405.JPG) - miniature 4pot calipers
(http://www.geting.se/image.php/210924-isdack.JPG) (http://www.geting.se/viewimage.php?image=210924-isdack.JPG) - rear tire, not 100% done yet
BW, on of my favourite movies is - he worlds faasten Indian, starring Sir Anthony Hopins
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Kristian, there's hope for you. If nothing else -- the paint on the bike is great. As for drifting on the ice, and a kart set for high speed ice maneuvers -- yup, you definitely belong in this group. Welcome to the Forum
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Kristian, there's hope for you. If nothing else -- the paint on the bike is great. As for drifting on the ice, and a kart set for high speed ice maneuvers -- yup, you definitely belong in this group. Welcome to the Forum
Thanxs Jon E
btw, might yout name be related to Sweden in any way, it sure sounds like it 8-)
The bike is "covered" in handcut stickers, cheap, easy to fit & easy to change !
The gokartproject started out asan 1980´s 85cc DINO one year ago, the we changed the frame to an 2004
shifterkartchassies which was like 1000% stiffer = better handling.
The car i have been buildingfor 3 years now, ust got it running tp about 90% these last few months
regards /
...........Kristian
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I think it was Gustav Wennerberg that brought the name to "fame". He was a "Renaissance Man" in Sweden in the 1800's. My grandfather, August Wennerberg, left Sweden around the early 1910's to come to America, where he was an electrical engineer at Western Electric for his career. He was from Malmo. My grandmother, Margaretha Andreasson (with one "s" or two -- your choice) was from Gothenburg, came to America about the same time as Augie, to be a masseuse. She and he met and married in the Swedish area of Chicago.
Not many people recognize the Wennerberg as Swede -- more commonly I'm asked if the name is German. Thanks.
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Kristian, your Evo looks great !!
And welcome to the forum ...
:-D
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Sure looks like fun :cheers:
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Ratliff on the ice -- don't watch out for the holes in the ice, nor the soft ice where the spring bubbles away underwater.
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Only 7 weeks to Ice Speedweekend, If any of you guys are coming over then you better get a room booked soon. See the first page of introduction for the regs and hotel booking info.
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This race is held according to Landracings national racing rules together with these additional rules.
Even open for foreign drivers.
Police permission:
SMA Svenska Motorsport Alliansen sanctioned race
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Regards, Ellwood(http://)
Where can i find these "Landracings national racing rules"?
Valand
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Sure looks like fun :cheers:
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-BxqtnT6y1dQ/Ttsw2wWnbrI/AAAAAAAABbY/fcY0ZhbrJG4/s320/DSC01101.JPG)
Harley JD 1929 engine
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*********************************************************************
This race is held according to Landracings national racing rules together with these additional rules.
Even open for foreign drivers.
Police permission:
SMA Svenska Motorsport Alliansen sanctioned race
*********************************************************************
Regards, Ellwood(http://)
Where can i find these "Landracings national racing rules"?
Valand
Email him here: ellwoodhybrid@hotmail.com
Mike