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Loring Timing Association (Maine) => Loring (AFB) land speed venue => Topic started by: dickj on September 13, 2009, 10:13:22 PM
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I've already made my motel reservations. C'mon Bob, when can we start making early registration. I think you have enough "RSVPs" to fill the grid already! I've got new tires on the trailer and am ready for the 5000 mile trip again!
DickJ
In East Texas
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Re: earlier summer possible dates.
If the primary concern about the endangered birds is sound pollution, how 'bout taking some decibel readings during racing?
I've spent plenty of time around jet engines, and even an uncorked nitro big-block isn't that bad by comparison.
Anyway, Bob, Bobby, Joe, Donna, Joe, Mark, and all the rest: you can count the track steward in for '10.
I've already hatched a plan for an overdrive tranny for the '56 so I can get better than the 8.5mpg I did.
Who knows? Erica (the 'cavegirl'!) might even come back for round two in '10!
Caveman Tony
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Track Steward Tony (Moose Spotter) ... Bob already questioned how did the birds make out when the B-52-s were flying in and out of Loring. The threatened / endangered species deal is insurmountable. The have a lot of clout and the plovers(?) have priority. We have to race around their mating season.
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I thought the story was that they had recovered since the AFB closed, and then the area was declared a sanctuary. Wonder if any federal money is associated with protected areas?
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Upland Sandpipers , affectionately called "Uppies" by birding enthusiasts, are inland versions of similar shore birds . They exist naturally in large native blueberry fields in southern Maine,and are practically common in the American Mid West. After the Loring AFB was cut out of the pure forest of Aroostook County, they colonized the area quite comfortably. They do have nesting areas on other airports in the area, and co exist with daily runway traffic. The Maine Inland Wildlife's concern is due to long term absence of traffic and mostly noise associated with it, the existing population on our runways might be frightend by any new presence and it would affect the nesting season which runs through the end of July.
As a migratory wildfowl. this bird is covered , and protected, by federal laws
We have a good relationship with the Wildlife folks, and feel they have been pretty accommodating toward our venture. We will continue to work with them towards improving conditions for both our causes.
Bob W
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Bob, whenever you can get the place we will be there. It is simply the best place I've ever turned a wheel at and I can't wait to do it again. I receive emails from people I met while there. The excitement they still have from the event, and the hope for future events there is unbelievable. You have a winner on your hands. A winner for everyone LTA, local people and competitors. Looking forward to next year. Thanks again for what you all have done.
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Thank You.
Obviously we agree with your assessment of our venue. If we had a few more miles of pavement it would be the best, period.
I've described the place a few times, I'm sure everybody knows what we have.
Surface, seasonal temperatures, lodging, Safety, LTA organizational capacities, food, all worked out fine. Track length and venue remoteness are possibly the only negatives.
Make your own comparisons.
Watch this site, consider early pre registration as soon as available.
LTA/2010 will be amazing.
We will address all possible shortcomings and intend to make it as perfect a LSR event as possible.
BOB W
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Bob,
I'm in for 2010 . sign me up . My bags are packed .
Bill (CK)
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Bring Money, we are charging you by the run next time !!!
Stay Safe, see ya then !!
Bob W
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Thank You.
Obviously we agree with your assessment of our venue. If we had a few more miles of pavement it would be the best, period.
I've described the place a few times, I'm sure everybody knows what we have.
Surface, seasonal temperatures, lodging, Safety, LTA organizational capacities, food, all worked out fine. Track length and venue remoteness are possibly the only negatives.
Make your own comparisons.
Watch this site, consider early pre registration as soon as available.
LTA/2010 will be amazing.
We will address all possible shortcomings and intend to make it as perfect a LSR event as possible.
BOB W
no way track length is a negative, nope.
Maxton folk love Loring's width,
Texas folk love Loring's length.
width and length; size matters :-D
we all love Loring!!!
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no way track length is a negative, nope.
Maxton folk love Loring's width,
Texas folk love Loring's length.
width and length; size matters :-D
we all love Loring!!!
Sounds like the refrain to a C & W song.
This is getting suggestively pornographic.
If your LSR vehicle of choice is so well endowed it needs ......Nah, I can't do it.
Bob W
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three teams from cleveland area interested
in going to loring '10.
need confirmed dates to arrange vacation schedules.
franey
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no way track length is a negative, nope.
Maxton folk love Loring's width,
Texas folk love Loring's length.
width and length; size matters :-D
we all love Loring!!!
Sounds like the refrain to a C & W song.
This is getting suggestively pornographic.
If your LSR vehicle of choice is so well endowed it needs ......Nah, I can't do it.
Bob W
Bob,
My LSR vehicle is not only old & slow, its short & narrow (motorcycle).
Karl
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Thats bull, it may be old, but it's definitely not slow!! :cheers:
Fred
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Thats bull, it may be old, but it's definitely not slow!! :cheers:
Fred
Thanks Fred, it does have its good days, when it can perform, kinda like me :D
Since you are coming to the Texas Mile as a spectator, TFA will have yr favorite neon green hot pants & umbrella ready for you.
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That would not be apretty sight. How about Marie instead?? :evil:
Fred
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That would not be apretty sight. How about Marie instead?? :evil:
Fred
OK, Marie, you ask her, you know her better 8-)
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Dates for LTA/10 APPROVED !!!
Friday July 30, 2010, is Tech/Sign in
Saturday, July 31 is racing day one
Sunday, August 1 is racing day two.
Hallelujah, even.
Bob W, LTA guy
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:cheers:
Can't wait for me some lobster bisque from caribou Inn :-D If they have it......GET IT!!!
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How about lining up some tours of the base including the "junk yard" and nuke bomb storage site.
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"How about lining up some tours of the base including the "junk yard" and nuke bomb storage site".
The announcer for the nearby Spud Speedway, a small dirt track west of our runway, I believe is a full time employee of the big "Junkyard" adjoining our pits. He was also employed a long time ago, as were a, lot of local people, on the base. Very knowledgeable about the history and various once super secret structures mostly to the East of us. Our official photographer is currently also an employee on base of the wildlife refuge that now encompasses much of that area, also suggested he'd investigate guided tours, possibly with a bus from another base occupant.
As this base was unparalleled in importance during the cold war due mostly to it's proximity to continental Europe (read, USSR) , the security and nuclear storage capacities were unsurpassed in the USA.
The money spent on this place is unimaginable,especially in today's dollars.
Consider the concrete pads at our start line alone. The frost line that far north requires a poured concrete depth of eight,that's 8 feet deep. Multiply by 1000 ft long and 300 feet wide, for that one area. There are a few of these around,ask during the tour.
I'm only responding to questions here, I personally didn't have time to bring,let alone race, my own car. Going tourist is another story.
I did suggest earlier,like many months ago, consider taking enough time to come up the Atlantic coast and leave through the mountains, the country is truly spectacular.
And the Lobster got cheap with the tourist shortage last year, 2010 should be similar. MHO/FWIW
Bob W, tour guide, shill, Chief BS,LTA
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Bwana Bob,
Great info about the base! I would also like to get in on a tour, very cool place.
On Mon after the last race, we bought a mess of soft shelled lobsters down near Bath at $3.49/lb!!!!
Q: are you gonna have the Joe T and his Maxton crew helping out again in 2010?
They sure pitched in in 2009 :cheers:
Karl
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I have just seen that The Navel Base at BRUNSWICK, Maine is closing.
They have two 8000' runways.
The local economy is going to be ruined if it goes in to disrepair.
Now is the time to see about using it for Land Speed Trials.
No birds to worry about, not a moose in site, hotels and restaurants still serving people. What else could you want?
(It's also many miles closer to civilization)
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8000 feet is a little short conpared to Loring!
I don't think alot people would ride that far to run a mile.
The only reason we went to Loring was to run a mile and a half.
Robbie
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So would that potential new place be located at the belly-button of New England?
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We may have gone for the extra half mile but many, including me, will be returning for friendliness and interest of the fans and volunteers at Loring. Besides, I can't imagine a better surface anywhere. It is about as magical as a manmade surface can get. Once I get to Maine, I'll go the extra miles.
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"I have just seen that The Navel Base at BRUNSWICK, Maine is closing.
They have two 8000' runways.
I Google mapped it, best case scenario utilizing the entire surface, one mile acceleration, maybe 3/4s shutdown. Availability,actual surface conditions, BIRDS,all that jazz needs to be researched. I'll make a few phone calls , nice to have alternatives, as we are year to year in Limestone. Consider some large full time tenant moves in that utilizes the runway makes the LTA extinct.
A big positive about Brunswick is it's what looks like 300 miles south of our deal, just needs a few thousand feet of asphalt. Considering the current price of paving,not an option.
Jon, if Brunswick is the "navel of New England" , then is Loring half past the left nipple ?
How is Nancy, by the way ?
Bob W
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I plan on being there this year
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Brunswick has a new surface, Think its going to be open to general aviation. There is a lot more population around that base. I did some work on the hangers there years ago.
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Jon --
I think he meant naval.
Stan
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Ya think so? Sure, I betcha that's what he meant to say. Just like the old "hanger" vs. "hangar" dispute.
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Have a Fantastic Thanksgiving everyone!!
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I had a phone discussion with a representative of the Brunswick Naval base, now known as http://www.mrra.us/contactus.html, or Midcoast Regional Redevelopment Authority.
Basically, predictably, currently, everything is in flux, and if we were allowed use of the place it would not be until after May 2011 when it is totally unoccupied by the military.
At that point our main issues would be appeasing the FAA, as it would probably still be a working airport, and FAA has the final say on activities in their jurisdiction. From past experiences, and especially since 9/11, I do know they are super conservative towards non pure airport activities. Although the rep I spoke with is very focused on these types of functions, would like us or even concerts to occasionally occupy the premises, possibly on the big runway, as there are two.
He also mentioned our Bird Pals are local residents in Brunswick too, but we agreed that as there has been constant traffic the birds would be used to the noise presence and hopefully would not be the issue it is in Limestone.
Bottom line, we keep in touch, definitely invite them up for LTA/2010, and give it our best shot.
Any more places of interest, please feel free to mention it here. I will be on it like a bum on a Baloney sandwich...
Bob W , LTA Seeker of Sites.
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We used to drag race at some of the local airports with the Flashlight Drags. The FAA had a bird (pun intended) and shut down the events. This link has the email from the FAA to the airport authorities and explains their stance on alternate use for airports. There has been much effort in the past few years to get it re-instated to no avail. They are pretty hard core about using the airport for non-aviation benefit.
It's a real shame to because the events were hugely successful, there were often times over 100 cars that showed up to race and thousands of spectators. Each one paid to get it, it was a real boon to the local airport in terms of cash flow.
http://flashlightdrags.com/whats-up-with-fld.htm (http://flashlightdrags.com/whats-up-with-fld.htm)
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Thanks "B",
That address, http://flashlightdrags.com/whats-up-with-fld.htm, and the enclosed PA DOT letter show in writing what I've heard for years but never saw in print.
In the late 90s some of the SCCA racing I was involved in got shunted off airports because of increasing pressure from the FAA. After 9/11 it only got worse.
As we seem to have initial enthusiasm and cooperation from the management at Brunswick, we seem to at least have a view of where our obstacles lay.
We are open to any reasonably safe Long paved surface in the North East, but obviously prefer airports.
Bob W
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There is at least one local (PA) airport that is no longer going to accept FAA funding so that they can again host the flashlight drags. As a pilot and a car enthusiest, I am torn between the exclusive use of airports idea and a great place to host motor sports events. Someplace there has to be a happy medium. These venues (at least for the drags) were great boons for the local AP.
I helped setup and run the FBO at one of the local airports, the margins are beyond razor thin. These events brought in some good money for the locals, provided great entertainment for spectators, doubled as a car show for those that wanted to parade their iron but not race it, generated revenue with the local food vendors and most importantly provided a safe environment for people to run fast without being on the highways.
From what I have heard if the airport takes federal funding from the FAA, it is not going to be used for anything but aviation related events. RobFrey is good friends with the sponsor of the Flashlights, he may chime in if there have been any progress in getting waivers for the FD. If there were any workarounds short of the airport not taking FAA funds, I'm sure the process will be the same for LSR events.
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I know York would draw a huge crowd if it ran drags again. Cumberland, in Maryland, has a high speed autocross about five times a year but I have no idea how they pulled it off. The following is a link to the group that runs it. You can see how they help promote the airport as well. Very well managed.
http://nationalroadrally.com/
Hey Bob, Any word on a ship date for those shirts? I may have to start washing my current inventory of ECTA and Bonneville shirts if they don't show up soon! :-P
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Hey Bob, Any word on a ship date for those shirts? I may have to start washing my current inventory of ECTA and Bonneville shirts if they don't show up soon! :-P
I received my shirts day before? Thanksgiving!!!!! woo-HOO!!!!
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You sure those weren't mine? I think I had a hat coming too! :wink:
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Tried to reply earlier, having some problems with slooow computer, mail not going out,like that.
Remainder of the LTA/09 shirts/hats should be out by this weekend.
200 club stuff delayed for a bunch of unavoidable reasons.
Have patience with us, you don't fire volunteers. Lame,but all I got.
Cumberland,MD is a mile long, not suitable for LSR.
We might make a road trip up to Brunswick, as it seems suitable for a Maxton-like mile, even though the aforementioned problems seem prohibitive. I think I've established myself as a guy don't give up easy.
Everybody, go find more pavement. Public roads even, we buy stuff in their towns !!!
Bob W
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We appreciate your good work Bob!
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Can't wait for 2010 in the North country! :mrgreen: :cheers:
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Just wondered what the snow depth on the runway is now?
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no snow, they plow that far north :-D
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Hope this warms your little cockles...
Check out http://www.lta-lsr.com/ for updates.
We'll post pre reg start dates shortly.
We are limiting preregistrations to 150 . This may seem optimistic, but from recent info I've accumulated, we been discovered.
The Caribou Inn is practically full, only a few single bed rooms available, go to it's sister in Presque Isle, same prices /discounts as last year. We are working on another lodging option, will announce our findings shortly.
More to follow. Questions ?
Bob W LTA, answer man
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Bob, count me in for at least 1 car. I have already logged my vacation for the Wednesday before thru the Tuesday after your event.
Also should have Bradley Everhart and his 199.6mph V Twin bike riding with me.
I will be watching for pre registration to open.
Charles
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I just made reservations at the little place I stayed at last year, Riverside Motor Court. They are under new ownership and remodeled all of the rooms: however, the rates have went up .. single rooms are $51 (total cost including taxes). Didn't ask how many rooms they had left.
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We made a deal with the Hampton Inn in Presque Isle ,http://www.hampton-inn-presque-isle.com/ for $99 a rm, two Queens , and a hot breakfast in hotel inclusive.
The place is new , has a indoor pool . It does not have a Restaurant, although Presque Isle has many nearby, and plenty more are available in Caribou on the way to Loring.
There is a wedding on our weekend, has 40 rms taken, we get 20 rms for the discount, must be reserved by June 30th. After that, the rms are $107 w/ AARP or AAA discount.
Get busy !
Bob W
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We made a deal with the Hampton Inn in Presque Isle ,http://www.hampton-inn-presque-isle.com/ for $99 a rm, two Queens , and a hot breakfast in hotel inclusive.
The place is new , has a indoor pool . It does not have a Restaurant, although Presque Isle has many nearby, and plenty more are available in Caribou on the way to Loring.
There is a wedding on our weekend, has 40 rms taken, we get 20 rms for the discount, must be reserved by June 30th. After that, the rms are $107 w/ AARP or AAA discount.
Get busy !
Bob W
Considering it's a Hampton Inn, that's a deal!
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Just spoke with Hampton Inn rep, this "block of 20" deal is not final until Monday next.
Hold off on reservation requests until then. Our previous experiences were with a local group of lodgings that weren't beholding to national chain management that has to have all arrangements run through them for approval. When it is final, I will post the Approval "code" to use for your reservations..... Whew...
So currently, we still have the same deal at the Caribou Inn, $88 and Presque Isle Inn, $80, as last year, and we shortly will have the Hampton Inn, $99 , breakfast Included. When you do call the Hampton Inn..Monday
Hampton Inn Presque Isle
768 Main Street, Presque Isle, Maine, USA 04769
Tel: 1-207-760-9292 Fax: 1-207-760-9293
Bob W, confusing LTA Guy
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Bob,,, how far from the Hampton Inn to the Track ?
Thanks
Charles
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Charles,
About twenty miles or so :-D
:cheers:
Robbie
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20.7 miles,according to Mapquest..
http://www.mapquest.com/maps?1c=Presque+Isle&1s=ME&1a=768+Main+St&1z=04769-2254&1y=US&1l=46.696739&1g=-68.0117&1v=ADDRESS&2c=Limestone&2s=ME&2z=04750-6004&2y=US&2l=46.9267&2g=-67.8952&2v=STREET
Bob W
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I seem to be scroon up on a daily basis here. That map I just sent is incorrect, gives directions to the "center of Limestone", as opposed to getting near enough to the track to comfortably follow our signs ( before some shit steals them). Zoom in on that map, you'll see the correct way is to take Rt 89 aka Access rd, to East gate rd, north to Carolina,west to New Mexico, North to "T", east to the entrance. So add maybe a mile to the previous estimate for a total of 21ish ?
I promise to edit myself better.
I spoke with Maine Man Mark yesterday, he said it's been positively springlike up there, most snow melted. But bad news for the sno mo industry.
Magellen Wanner
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Bob, is highway 89 (access road) a two lane highyway?
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Hey Rick!
89 is a real two lane wide rd, main drag between Caribou and Limestone. If you check that mapquest link, zoom down and get the aerial view, navigate via my directions,takes you right to the runway. The start line is 20ft north of the south end of that big patch of concrete. If I lived up there I'd probably be on it today, it is currently snowless.
Bob W
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Today was a fantastic day in Maine. Temp was 43 F, I had my garage doors open while working on my car. Tomorrow the Winter starts again.
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Ayup. It needs to freeze-up again for awhile. Still have lots of firewood to get out.
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Hey Bob,
When is registration for the race going to happen. I am going to make it to this years race unless something crazy happens, I don't want to miss the sign up date. I was really bummed that I missed the 1st race.
Mike Reichen
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Give us a little more time, we want to have everything set up, so we may respond to each mailing rapidly,as opposed to last year. Also, Rulebooks go out in a lot of those reg packs, and it'll be awhile until they are ready. We will again, thanks to the ECTA, share their rulebook, exact same rules, only diff our records and address.
Bob W
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A little more info to add to what I posted earlier (^up^) on this page.
Currently the days that the Hampton Inn Discount applies to are Thursday night through Sunday night. We are trying to expand on that, on both ends.
When you call mention either LTA or Loring Timing Association as your discount code.
The Hampton Inn has a small cash bar, but there is the "Irish Pub", located within walking distance ( a block) for either solid or liquid refreshments. Also,as I previously said, there are plenty of dining facilities in Presque isle. There is also a restaurant in the Presque Isle Conf Center, sister hotel to the Caribou Inn. Also Walmart and Home Depot, to give you an idea of the towns' size.
All this will be posted shortly on the Website Lodgings/hotels section.
Bob W ...18 below on the runway this morning.
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When will the web site be updated with current records?
Will there be certificates for the records from 2009?
When will registration forms be posted? We already reserved our rooms.
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Records, 200 club stuff, Certificates, all will be posted or sent soon, probably within a month.
Same with registration. You take care of getting to Loring and getting rooms, we'll take care of the racing.
Bob W
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I am working on the records ... if I didnt have to support myself with a job I would have it done already
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Cars
CLASS VEHICLE ENTRY PILOT SPEED
A/FMR 9555 ERLI Days Racing Ed Ruggeri 69.057
A/GMR 9555 ERLI Days Racing Larry Illingsworth 202.9
D/BGRMR 260 Brace's Greenhouse Ed Brace 175.534
D/GR 2114 No Time To Lose Racing Carter Lloyd 155.22
B/STR 55 Leadfoot Racing Joe Ledford 216.596
C/STR 531 Doug Kenny Racing Doug Kenny 202.047
XF/BVGCC 430 Brace's Greenhouse Pete Keyser 144.406
F/BGCC 9477 Holbrook SHO Ransom Holbrook 151.829
A/GALT 9095 Butler and McKenney Jim Clemons 204.894
B/FMS 306 Gustafson Racing Nate Gustafson 194.666
B/GMS 306 Gustafson Racing Marcia Barker 183.737
AA/CFALT 6769 Warp One Scott Griswold 176.363
A/CFALT 729 Jurkowski Racing Dick Jurkowski 199.053
B/CFALT 9492 Streamline Bros John Ciancitto 198.5
F/CFALT 1223 Calaguiro Bros Racing Paul Calaguiro 136.134
A/CGALT 729 Jurkowski Racing Dick Jurkowski 178.564
B/CGALT 9492 Streamline Bros John Ciancitto 185.406
C/CGALT 9270 PACC Racing Andrew Nelson 146.46
F/CGALT 1223 Calaguiro Bros Racing Paul Calaguiro 122.196
B/CBGC 9270 PACC Racing Andrew Nelson 177.507
C/CBGC 9270 PACC Racing Andrew Nelson 176.094
F/CBGC 548 Murphy-Slattery Wm. Murphy 129.772
A/CGC 729 Jurkowski Racing Dick Jurkowski 169.984
B/CGC 9270 PACC Racing Andrew Nelson 179.644
C/CGC 9270 PACC Racing Andrew Nelson 173.661
A/CPRO 9603 Out to Lunch Bunch Robert Davis, Jr 148.436
C/PS 8369 Dale Hanson Racing Dale Hanson 132.226
G/BGSS 9687 Ted Gromlich Racing Ted Gromlich 140.975
B/GSS 9338 Mike Largesse Racing Mike Largesse 135.898
C/GSS 9322 Patrick O'Sullivan Racing Patrick O'Sullivan 158.755
G/GSS 8383 Wild Hare Racing John Finn 129.047
A/GRS 9321 George Brockman Racing George Brockman 171.68
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Thanks for posting the list!
Is this offical?
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We are thankful for this records post, but can't verify exactly how accurate it is or isn't.
Each individual on that list is aware of their speeds, and that they obviously hold the original record for the class if no one else that weekend went faster.
We will not have time to accumulate and verify all the times for inclusion in the rulebook for this year, you'll have to be satisfied with them eventually being posted on the LTA Website.
Seriously Snowed In Bob W
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Bob --
I'm glad your first event was such a great success -- and it looks like you will be even more successful in the future. I also imagine that you weren't able to carefully scrutinize entries for class compliance as entered. I would think that the times reported were accurate, but records involving SCTA or ECTA classes (at your distance) might be suspect in some cases. Even so, I wish Maine were closer to SoCal!
Stan Back
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Bob --
I'm glad your first event was such a great success -- and it looks like you will be even more successful in the future. I also imagine that you weren't able to carefully scrutinize entries for class compliance as entered. I would think that the times reported were accurate, but records involving SCTA or ECTA classes (at your distance) might be suspect in some cases. Even so, I wish Maine were closer to SoCal!
Stan Back
While I am not speaking for Bob, I can tell you that the majority of the cars that I was around ran the same classes as they do at ECTA. The motorcyles were closely looked at and I do believe that most of them also were running the same classes as they do at Maxton. I know that I did on both cases.
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Thanks for posting the list!
Is this offical?
The LTA will post anything official.
The above post is only the highest speed for each class, and for information only. The slower speeds for each class that were on the run list were not posted, only the highest. By instruction, first runs were (at least supposed to be) one class below license (ex. C ran D) and the next runs were to be at class limit (ex. C ran C). So, the later runs were obviously the highest (ex. C ran B, and now someone has new class lic :-D :-D). It was a major temptation to hang it open the first time out. But the event was run rather efficiently and it was not an issue to get multiple runs. We had a C license when we arrived and ran 146 first run (C ran D). 2nd was at class and we ran 173 (C on C). Later runs were open and we ran over 175. Excellent experience.
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We will not have time to accumulate and verify all the times for inclusion in the rulebook for this year, you'll have to be satisfied with them eventually being posted on the LTA Website.
Seriously Snowed In Bob W
Personally I think this is a big disappointment. Yes I do understand how much work is involved because I spent a good bit of time working with Donna after the meet to accumulate the runs and records for the bikes. I guess I wonder how much is left to do?
Many of us like to have an official professionally printed copy of our accomplishments (ie: records in the rulebook) and if they're not printed for the 2009 season and they're topped in the 2010 season then they'll never make it into a rulebook.
The meet isn't until August how is there not enough time?
Debbie
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Cut and paste what is posted. I came up with the same thing with 10 minutes of work from the run log. Motorcycles would take about 20 minutes of work.
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Ok ,I am starting my LSR adventure with a conflict -a wedding on July 30th!!. Is there tech done on July 31st ? . Thank's all.
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Wide Open,
The post I made with the speeds are from the results. There are differences in the log and results. I am sure Bob wants to correct before publishing. 9603 (run 231 vs 340) has faster early pass, 8369 is probably 9369, 6769 result is different then log (run 262 - 179 vs. 176 mph). Run number is from counting the time stamp. I think it will take a little time to sort out, but I would hope before the rule book comes out. I checked it for our effort and those numbers are correct. But, I was not at impound for each car to see who did or did not stop for recording records. The list is the fastest speed for each class from the results page. ASSUMING people stopped it would be the current records. But, there are the above minor descrepencies. Again, LTA will post what ever is the official info.
Bob,
I would be happy to help. There were only 122 car passes made so it should not take a major effort. I am sure folks want to know current and open records before sending in the registration info. Some folks (including me) would rather set a slow open record, rather then run against a higher current record and/or go home empty handed. As you told me, it helps to have class jumping in order to offset the start up costs. You have my number.
To the other fellow dreamers,
Car 55 ran the first 200 mph car pass (run 109) and ran the highest car speed 216.6 (run 211). :cheers:
AND, cars 9555, 9095 and 531 also ran over 200. :cheers:
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We are thankful for this records post, but can't verify exactly how accurate it is or isn't.
Each individual on that list is aware of their speeds, and that they obviously hold the original record for the class if no one else that weekend went faster.
Bob, firstly, please do not misconstrue my intent here, it is not to give you a hard time or hassle you, but your comments above sound like the LTA does not know who ran what speed, in what class and who set records !
I'm sure everyone had fun, but isn't a Record the whole point of this event ?
From looking at the Results page of the LTA website, I'm presuming you guy's kept run records and had registration information. The three lists show results sorted by speed and vehicle, so all you have to do is match them up with registration information to produce an "official" list, right ?
Your site says it was only 390 runs, so what is the problem ?
Do you require assistance to manipulate the data ?
I can help if you want and could have a compiled list in one day.
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Seems to me a lot of people want a certificate pretty badly. One that verifies that car number XX went XXX.XXX seems valid. But a record? When from what I understand there was little or no post-run scrutiny. And photos from the event show even a casual observer can see class violations of SCTA standards -- and even ECTA standards if we're lead to believe they echo SCTA standards.
A few years ago I made up a Record Certificate with SCTA logos and such for a one-time driver that exceeded the one-way Bonneville speed of the record-holding car he worked on. Called it the Fastest Mile Record for the class. He enjoyed it. His grandchildren liked it. Maybe some of you guys can do the same. And document frames are less than a buck at the 99c Stores in SoCal.
Stan Back
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Seems to me a lot of people want a certificate pretty badly. One that verifies that car number XX went XXX.XXX seems valid. But a record? When from what I understand there was little or no post-run scrutiny. And photos from the event show even a casual observer can see class violations of SCTA standards -- and even ECTA standards if we're lead to believe they echo SCTA standards.
A few years ago I made up a Record Certificate with SCTA logos and such for a one-time driver that exceeded the one-way Bonneville speed of the record-holding car he worked on. Called it the Fastest Mile Record for the class. He enjoyed it. His grandchildren liked it. Maybe some of you guys can do the same. And document frames are less than a buck at the 99c Stores in SoCal.
Stan Back
Stan, you are more than welcome to attend the next Loring event and protest record runs as much as you wish. That's why that rule is in the book.
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After further consideration, I decided to help the LTA even if I have not been asked.
Using the three lists posted on their website, I will compile an "unofficial" results document for everyone's perusal and they can advise if inacuracies if desired.
The way I look at it, after paying lots of money to attend the event,
do people expect perfection the first time out ? No.
Do they expect something ? YES !!
In my view, the LTA should produce some 2009 Results in their 2010 Rulebook and adjustments can be made later.
At least it's something.
:-D
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Ransom --
Let's see if I got this right. You show up, pay your money, declare a class to run in, all on open "records", run any speed -- and get the "record". And who's to protest? No current or former record-holders -- right? And you can declare another class next year, too!
It appeared to be a well-run event that let a lot of racers enjoy a new experience. A great first-time event. But the non-certified certificates are missing.
Stan
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Let's see if I got this right. You show up, pay your money, declare a class to run in, all on open "records", run any speed -- and get the "record". And who's to protest? No current or former record-holders -- right? And you can declare another class next year, too!
Stan
Maybe I can somewhat see what you are saying now and little clearer on your perspective. I see the point of no "minimums" in open classes and "what record are you really setting?". However, on the other hand, anyone (participate) can protest a vehicle that is out of class.
I paid much more attention to the bikes than the cars and I can with some confidence that the motorcycles were "in class" based on the ECTA rules. I can say with full confidence that I ran "in class" by both ECTA and SCTA rules. (the car and the bike).
My take on why folks are wanting to get the "offical record" is so that they know what classes are open and/or what speed would be a new record.
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Without certification of engines size you have no certification. A SBC is a SBC, a 300ci looks no different than a 425ci. A 1300cc busa looks the same as a 1650cc.
Fred
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Fred gets it... :cheers:
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Well, I'm all done compiling a Run Log from the 3 listings on the LTA website and can provide it in Excel, Word or whatever format you desire.
For those that want one, send me a PM.
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Without certification of engines size you have no certification. A SBC is a SBC, a 300ci looks no different than a 425ci. A 1300cc busa looks the same as a 1650cc.
Fred
That's true, unfortunately some people do cheat.
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Most of us don't cheat and would like to have a goal to shoot for.
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I am not Switzerland and I am not playing neutral on this,,,, however....
I can see both (or the several) points of view on this.
From all accounts this was a great Inaugural Event,,, I did see several cars class jumping to set multiple class records... this was good for the LTA as it created more revenue from a fixed number of entries.. this was good ego food for the competitor as they got records for this new venue,, I see the point of publishing the Fastest MPH in each class that had a run in it,,, I see the point of the folks that ran there wanting 2 things,, a "published record of there run" and a certificate for it as well,,,
I was not there last year,, but plan to be there this year,,,, I and I feel others would like to know who ran what and in what class so we will know what classes have records and what are open,,, Myself I will not be running on an open record, so I would like to know what I must do to try to top the previous "record" or fastest run for those who argue that it is or is not a real record...
I for one feel that by starting from scratch with no minimums and running on open records serves the purpose to build up revenue and create excitement for the new club... we all know that that in a few years the main classes will be well contested and lend even more credibility to "record status"
For now Let's ALL Support this new Club,, lend and hand,, offer words or support and encouragement.. and if within your travel budget and vacation time,, come on and join in the fun..
It takes a lot of work to pull all these LSR events... North, South, East or West,,,, we are all one BIG LSR Family...... OK off my soap box,,,, Post something we can run against and see you in July ....
Charles
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Yabut . . .
There were cars there that violated the rules of their class. I wasn't there. But I could tell from 2500 miles away from small pictures that they were illegal. So give them a record certificate because they supposedly set one in the class they declared?
The event was a success. It should have been. It seemed to be well thought-out, planned and executed, in spite of some misgivings of people before it happened. I'm not trying to disparrage the event. It must be a blast to run on pavement for a mile and a half. But to claim a record because you say you ran in X/XX and nobody protested you?
So far it seems reasonable to offer a certificate that you went xxx.xxx. A record? No scrutiny? Hey -- you had a good time -- went faster than you had before -- isn't that enuf?
Stan
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Stan,,
Upon reading your posts several times... I must AGREE with your intent and the future integrity of any
"CLASS RECORD" bestowed,,,
The bottom line is neither you or I attended this meet, and the folks did put on by all first hand accounts a great event,,,, I for one will do everything in my power to support them and attend the next event.
But I feel you are correct that a "Speed Certificate" is a good idea and reasonable,,, I also agree that if a entry did not confirm to the class rules then no Record can be bestowed. So if a 3 window coupe ran as a roadster that is an obvious miss classification...or if a Lester ran as a Liner,,,, etc...
Maybe you have hit on something and just maybe that is why it seems they are not "publishing" 2009 Records in the 2010 rule book,,, maybe 2009 was the "test event"
However, the entrants would like some verifiable evidence of there MPH accomplishment... AND I SEE THERE POINT TOO
I don't have the answers.... and I don't need the answers,,, all I need to know is
WHEN CAN WE REGISTER,,, I WANNA GO HAVE FUN IN LORING THIS YEAR.... if they bestow records GREAT (as long as the class rules are followed) if they give out certs,,, that's cool too,,, if they give nothing but the time slip,,, I am OK with that too....
How fast my car goes at Loring will determine if the Stude gets SALTY in 2010...
Ya know,, I may have miscalculated and the Stude may not get out of it's own way !!!!
Charles
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Stan, You are getting soft. :evil:
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Yeah -- and it's not really comfortable.
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I sure will be glad when the season gets going and we have new records to debate because the last page or so of this thread is making me sick. I was there. While Loring was a first time event, it had a lot of support form the ECTA as far as tech inspections, administration, record keeping and running operations. A majority of the vehicles that were there also ran at Maxton and elsewhere and I seriously doubt any of those racers swapped in illegal motors to set unbreakable records at Loring. I am thinking most were looking forward to see what they would run at that venue with the extra 1/2 mile to work.
There were some first timers to the sport from the region and yes some of those vehicles were geared more to their local drag strip's rules but from what I saw they were properly tech'd to appropriate speed limits and if those were broken they were told to stop running and I believe the plan was that the run would be eliminated from the records. All that said, I think the speed increases seen from the Maxton crowd were pretty consistent but I haven't scanned all the runs to see if something outrageous stands out. I picked up 12 mph with my only change being a rear sprocket to take advantage of the length and conditions.
I have to say that I think I am smelling a little sour grapes out there that this new venue is also the one with the top speed 'records.' I say "live with it' since each venue has its own unique characteristics. If you can't live with it show up this year and beat the 'record' or build yourself a 2.5 mile plus venue and invite us out.
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See page 7 of
http://www.landracing.com/forum/index.php/topic,6472.90.html
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To all of those of you that are completely supportive of the LTA , we thank you.
To those that aren't, we are working on converting you.
With the usual help, actually rescue,again, by Donna and Joe Timney and their personal Kemosabe Debbie Dross, we should have the Rulebooks WITH the records and 200 club in it and ready shortly, very likely for the ECTA first event. One of the delays is in trying to include paid advertisers in the book, as some of them need approval from national HQ. If they are not ready, we will print it without the ads and only charge a $27 surcharge over the usual price, OK ?
I'm kidding only on the last line, really.
Also trying to run a private event end of April up there, last days before the birds arrive deal. Kind of a fact finder to see what it is like then. Like 40 degrees all day, Wunderground says.
Hang in there, this year will be really something...
Bob The Converter , W
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How much snow on the track now?
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Snow= none....very mild winter up there this year. Considering last year they had record cold, 47 below,and the previous year they had record snow ,like 200 inches, this year has been positively balmy. All has to do with weather patterns, as in this year they've been all down southern half of the US.
BW
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Frost is out of the ground here on the Northern coast. Nicest Winter in memory. We are having April weather right now, but it can always change.
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Snow= none....very mild winter up there this year. Considering last year they had record cold, 47 below,and the previous year they had record snow ,like 200 inches, this year has been positively balmy. All has to do with weather patterns, as in this year they've been all down southern half of the US.
BW
Yes, you can say that again. I've got most of the LSR event locations on my iPhone weather. Many, many weeks this winter showed colder and snowier here in Kentucky than in Loring or Wendover.
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Just got my Room Confirmed at the New Hampton Inn... Arrive Thursday and Depart Sunday (unless we can run on Monday ??
Charles
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55 degrees in Caribou today. Have a room reservation at the THE PRESQUE ISLE INN. THE CARIBOU INN is full.
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BULLETIN !!!!!
Got a phone call from our Maine Man Mark Trackside,even.
Seems the nearby Spud Speedway, a long time west side of the airport dirt track resident is staging a mini concert Saturday night of our weekend.
They are bringing up "Three Doors Down" to entertain on site at their venue.
Good News is Sat night entertainment, bad news might be availability of rooms for any of you that have not reserved anything. Caribou Inn long sold out, go to Presque Isle Hampton Inn or the Presque Isle Conf Center, sister to the Caribou. We are again checking out at least one more local lodger,will report back on our findings.
Oh yeah, LTA attendees get a discount to the concert, show'em your wristband .
Or attend the Asphalt Talks at the Caribou like last year. Be a social Butterfly, do both !
The Spuddites just passed on this news, not even fully announced on their website.
Race and Rock !
Bob W
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I just talked to the Hampton inn in presque and all the rooms that where in the block with the racers discount have been sold.
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They,the Hamton Inn, only "blocked off" 20 rms for the LTA. They have a "wedding with 40 rms" also that weekend, "wish to keep the rest open". Those are available at the regular price , unless you have a AARP, AAA, or similar discount.
As I said,we are investigating one other large place,will report on that shortly.
BOB W
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Guess I got that last room at the Hampton yesterday. Sorry, but I am sure glad i got around to it in time! :cheers:
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I got a room tonight at the Crown Park Inn in Caribou.
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With a lot of the hotel rooms already booked, looks like its a good time to start accepting pre-registrations. :-D
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With a lot of the hotel rooms already booked, looks like its a good time to start accepting pre-registrations. :-D
One prerequisite of pre registration may me..Do you have a room reserved yet ??
:cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Charles
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With a lot of the hotel rooms already booked, looks like its a good time to start accepting pre-registrations. :-D
One prerequisite of pre registration may me..Do you have a room reserved yet ??
:cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Charles
Yes I do ....
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Is there a bend in the road?
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Stan,
Load up your awesome Roadster and come play on LTA's 1.5 mile paved surface.
Charles
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Crown Park Inn, north end of Caribou, almost walking distance to the fast food strip, has rooms. I can neither recommend or criticize the place, if you stay there let us know after the meet how it was. Mixed reviews is about it, but it isn't expensive.
The base Authorities may be open to making "The Loring Inn", 40 rooms,on base, available in the future. It was deactivated last year. Would be perfect for us, we'd only need to make a breakfast available in the morning. It's all by itself in the woods.
Bob W
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Has it been suggested?, or may I suggest, that timing lights also be put at the mile mark.
I believe it could be a benefit for not only tune/dial in, but will also let Loring be included in the fast growing Mile racing. Miami is already to do 2 sets of timing lights at their next even, so it is possible and cost effective.
Believe me, I know the big draw for loring is the 1.5miles, but adding this to the event will have a lot of benefit.
what are everyone's thoughts.... should I have started a new subject thread??
Bill
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Has it been suggested?, or may I suggest, that timing lights also be put at the mile mark.
I believe it could be a benefit for not only tune/dial in, but will also let Loring be included in the fast growing Mile racing. Miami is already to do 2 sets of timing lights at their next even, so it is possible and cost effective.
Believe me, I know the big draw for loring is the 1.5miles, but adding this to the event will have a lot of benefit.
what are everyone's thoughts.... should I have started a new subject thread??
Bill
I would pay extra for a set of lights at 1mi; great idea, Bill!
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That is a good idea.
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I'd rather not pay extra :-D
Bob, I can get you the Miami guys phone numbers if you wan to see whats involved.
Just let me know, if you get to that point.
Bill
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?Scott, what happen to your post that stated you support the mile timing lights?
Their not going to make YOU pay ALL the extra if there is any.
Did you change your mind? There are to many good reasons to have lights at the mile AND 1.5. What would be any against it???
Bill
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One run two records. :cheers:
Fred
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One run two records. :cheers:
Fred
I don't think the mile times should be records, just the 1.5. The mile speed would be more informational, like an exit speed on the salt. Or the other way around, mile records and 1.5 brag rights.
What are peoples thoughts on this? (But don't let the record discussion influence lights at the mile and 1.5)
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Bill,
I like the idea of lights at the Mile and the 1.5 Mile.
The draw of LTA is the 1.5 mile... they are the only ones doing that and I like the idea of 1.5 mile LTA Records. Having lights at the 1 mile mark as well can give good data for us and since several other venues are running a "paved mile" this would allow some test and tune comparisons. (we know none of the Mile tracks are equal and they each have there own personalities) but it would be nice to see both trap speeds.
Just my 1.5 cents....
Charles
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OK guys...good idea but it means half a mile of wire and if there is a problem with those lights, then you have to stop racing and drive half a mile to fix it, then back to the tower. Maybe when wireless gets better!?!!?
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Lets see, 4 photo cells plus spares, 4 batterys, wire, new program in computer, all new records for the mile. More book keeping. Just some thoughts and a few dollors more. Have fun Joe.
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I tell you, the age of wireless is coming. USFRA is reported to have done some experimenting with wireless timing systems. I have my own ideas of how to do it - but am regularly shot down when I broach the subject so I won't bring it up here. Nonetheless -- at Loring there should be a fine test for the idea brought to fruition -- if only as an experiment. Ask me for details -- in private. No, I'm not Franklin in disguise (with my harebrained ideas).
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I agree with Bill, the addition to 1 Mile clocks would improve the already great event :cheers:
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I saw this on another forum and thought Bob should use it as his avatar !!
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Thanks Steve for Moose, I think we'll find a home for him.
On the timing Mile suggestion, we see the value but considering the set up and monitoring, we'll pass on it. We're still new at this, spent a lot of time last year adjusting the one set of lights. Hopefully technology progresses and creates something,likely wireless, to accomplish this option.
Bob W ....likes it Moose
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Bob Bob Bob ,
Whats going on . my bags are packed for maine . I am ready to hit the road . I still haven't got my two new hats and t-shirts . will we be getting certifcates for last years . I have records in two different classes . See you soon .
Bill
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Hey Kid Billy,
Records and 200 certs being distributed in person to attendees at Maxton this weekend.
They were just printed, the rest will go out in the mail in the following weeks. Hats not yet done, lots of LTA internal disruptions being sorted out. Teething, whatever you call it, this will be all settled by Race day in July.
Bob W
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Bob ,
Thanks for the info . see you soon . Maybe I will bring some sun with me from california . and maybe some hot looking girls to clean my motor cycle .
Bill
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Umbrella girls, like in F1, yeah !!!
Just checked out today's results from The Maxton Mile, WOW !!!
Bill Warner went 272, yesterday Mile Reichens' Evo four banger went 237 .
I believe both will attend LTA 2010, among a lot of serious new attendees.
I hope everybody gears up properly this year, we got the traction.
Should be one of the biggest weekends in LSR. for sure.
Bob W, The LTA Guy
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We're all anticipating a great LTA weekend this year. Watching the web daily to see when pre-registration opens.
DickJ
In East Texas
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Umbrella girls, like in F1, yeah !!!
Just checked out today's results from The Maxton Mile, WOW !!!
Bill Warner went 272, yesterday Mile Reichens' Evo four banger went 237 .
I believe both will attend LTA 2010, among a lot of serious new attendees.
I hope everybody gears up properly this year, we got the traction.
Should be one of the biggest weekends in LSR. for sure.
Bob W, The LTA Guy
we could see someone run 280 :-o
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Do we have a month when registration will open?
I'm getting antsy over here.
Mike Reichen
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Do we have a month when registration will open?
I'm getting antsy over here.
Mike Reichen
Mike, do you have a hotel yet ?
Charles
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I'm getting antsy also, only have to get a few more things together.
Do we have a month when registration will open?
I'm getting antsy over here.
Mike Reichen
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Looks like Red Hot Racing will be present this year along with Team Time Bomb to put the Firecracker through it's paces.
We will be camping and I'd like to hear from those of you that camped last year.
What was it like ?
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Do we have a month when registration will open?
I'm getting antsy over here.
Mike Reichen
Mike, do you have a hotel yet ?
Charles
Yes Charles I reserved a room quite awhile ago.
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We got word late yesterday that the "Three Doors Down" concert at nearby Spud Speedway originally scheduled for Saturday night of our weekend was just cancelled.
Bad news for those of you that planned to attend, BUT possibly good news if there are cancellations at local lodgings due to this.
I did call the Caribou Inn,which has been essentially sold out since early spring, to inquire about these possible rooms, and they said they were unaware of either reservations or cancellations related to the concert.
Anybody really still stuck at the last minute for rooms, write me here, we'll try our best to find you something.
Bob W
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Received my record certificate yesterday, Love the logo!
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Umbrella girls, like in F1, yeah !!!
Just checked out today's results from The Maxton Mile, WOW !!!
Bill Warner went 272, yesterday Mile Reichens' Evo four banger went 237 .
I believe both will attend LTA 2010, among a lot of serious new attendees.
I hope everybody gears up properly this year, we got the traction.
Should be one of the biggest weekends in LSR. for sure.
Bob W, The LTA Guy
we could see someone run 280 :-o
or 285...
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Good luck to everyone, I will not be able to race. I know Bill is gonna FLY.
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its looking 90% sure im going, got to get a few more things in place before i can commit 100%.
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Cant wait to see everyone again!!
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My boardtrack Indian will be done and ready to ride around!!
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That Indian looks sweet !!
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Stunning! Can't wait to see it in person.
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Here it is completed!!
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That bike is awesome ... great job !!!
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Maine Man Mark cruised the Runway today, said it was better than last year.
No weeds, LDA sprayed awhile ago. Surface "like a Baby's bottom",Mark said.
Our start line and finish line paint look as fresh as yesterday.
Do be aware when you arrive the entrance is adjusted slightly, as in left turn at end of New Mexico rd as opposed to last years right turn. This is to facilitate better separate traffic flow to spectator area or Pits.
The plan is more signage to direct everyone Safely.
We have three different Food vendors, still working on providing a decent asst of food.
This year we will have a area set aside for the Hot Rods, as in attending but not participating. Nice New England Iron, as opposed to Rat Rods ? We will see.
My positive excitement vibes are starting to kick in,. as opposed to stressed Biz Dude Guy necessary think.
More Later
Bob W
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I am soooooooo psyched for Brenda Sue & I to load up, to get in the copcar, and head North to Bwana Bob's event!
Bob, you did schedule the normal Sunday tail wind, didn't you?
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LTA 2010 Update
Unfortunately, Scott Guthrie's Monday event is OFF this year, his machines are not ready . All racing will be on Saturday and Sunday, but we will still use Monday as a Rain date if either of the previous days are rained out, And all registered racers were not afforded ample opportunity to run.
We do Thank Scott and all his crew, especially the Drosses, for their participation and input last year, and hope they get to attend again in the future, as last year's Monday was a blast !
Bob W , going to Popham Beach Monday !!!
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"We do Thank Scott and all his crew, especially the Drosses, for their participation and input last year, and hope they get to attend again in the future, as last year's Monday was a blast !
Bob W , going to Popham Beach Monday !!! "
Actually, I believe Scott, Inc will be there Sat and Sun, just not as much in force as last year.
Duh !
I need a "message check" next to the
"spell check "
CRS BW
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"We do Thank Scott and all his crew, especially the Drosses, for their participation and input last year, and hope they get to attend again in the future, as last year's Monday was a blast !
Bob W , going to Popham Beach Monday !!! "
Actually, I believe Scott, Inc will be there Sat and Sun, just not as much in force as last year.
Duh !
I need a "message check" next to the
"spell check "
CRS BW
Bob,
You ARE going to make it to Jim & Jaime Popham Bch chowdown??? That would be way cool!!!!!!!!!
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Karl ... did you take up citizenship in Maine?
Joe
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Bob,
You ARE going to make it to Jim & Jaime Popham Bch chowdown??? That would be way cool!!!!!!!!!
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Gonna try, all depends on Sat and Sun, and track "responsibilities"
Makes a great half way pit stop for us.
Bob W
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Karl ... did you take up citizenship in Maine?
Joe
hey Joe!
nope i'm not a Maine citizen yet, but i sure love steamers & lobsters!!!!
Are you ready to run???
Karl
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Karl ... I am ready ... I have looking forward to Maine for an entire year ... Joe
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Karl ... I am ready ... I have looking forward to Maine for an entire year ... Joe
me too!
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Bob,
You ARE going to make it to Jim & Jaime Popham Bch chowdown??? That would be way cool!!!!!!!!!
Gonna try, all depends on Sat and Sun, and track "responsibilities"
Makes a great half way pit stop for us.
Bob W
Its a good time Bob. Spinneys is giving us racers a good deal... Wait untill you see the senic area Popham is !!!!!
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Somebody's gotta talk about it ..... first detailed weather forecast for Caribou, ME.
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Friday, July 30th
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Sunrise: 5:09 AM ET
Showers
High: 74*F
Precip: 30%
Wind: From WNW at 8 mph
Max. Humidity: 67%
UV Index: 7 High
(http://image.weather.com/web/common/wxicons/52/33.gif?12122006)
Sunset: 8:07 PM ET
Mostly Clear
Overnight Low: 56*F
Precip: 10%
Wind: From NW at 3 mph
Max. Humidity: 75%
Saturday, July 31st
(http://image.weather.com/web/common/wxicons/52/34.gif?12122006)
Sunrise: 5:11 AM ET
Mostly Sunny
High: 77*F
Precip: 20%
Wind: From W at 7 mph
Max. Humidity: 63%
UV Index: 7 High
(http://image.weather.com/web/common/wxicons/52/29.gif?12122006)
Sunset: 8:05 PM ET
Partly Cloudy
Overnight Low: 59*F
Precip: 20%
Wind: From SW at 3 mph
Max. Humidity: 76%
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As a 1st timer what are the plans if it rains???
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I cannot believe you guys are so free with that "R" word when preparing to race (also an "R" word, but with better inference)! :-o Clearly, you guys believe in taking silly chances with the Racing Gods! :roll:
Hmmm, maybe the rules are different on the East Coast....just don't use that "R" word on the salt.....okay? :-D
Lynda
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As a 1st timer what are the plans if it rains???
If it rains???
TFA's standard contingency plan for bad weather is to get together and eat stuff, drink beer, BS about how fast we'll be going when the weather improves.
Heck, it rained a bit last year on Sun and that lil storm brought the tailwind!!!! :cheers:
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Overnight low 56
Hope my room has a heater or I'll be spleeping in my leathers.
Bill
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Overnight low 56
Hope my room has a heater or I'll be spleeping in my leathers.
Bill
Your room should have a blanket. Cool air makes more power!
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"As a 1st timer what are the plans if it rains???"
"All racing will be on Saturday and Sunday, but we will still use Monday as a Rain date if either of the previous days are rained out, And all registered racers were not afforded ample opportunity to run.
Dats Da Plan Cro-Nan
Bob, LTA Blow Dryer , W
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I think we will have good cool and dry weather and be able to make serious HP #'s...
But !!!!! just in case plan ahead,,, I will have cases of beer and oh yes I am loading up some Z rated rain tires !!!!
I am sure wet pavement on rain tires would have more traction than dry salt or dirt !!!!
Ok before I get jumped on,,, Just kidding about running in the rain ? or am I ??
Hmm I removed the windshield wipers and motor.... so I guess I must be kidding :cheers:
See you Friday
Charles
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Hey Jon ban that white monster for using the R word.We have tried to train him but to no avail. :cry:
just no hope for him. :roll:
terry
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No wet stuff on Accuweather as of this morning :)
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What is that lo 5* number? I can't comprehend. :?
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Hey Jon ban that white monster for using the R word.We have tried to train him but to no avail. :cry:
just no hope for him. :roll:
terry
Hey Terry, better re-read my post.
Nowhere did I use the "R" word !!!
It was some newbie from New Hampshire ......
I take it you are crewing for Lawson ?
:-D
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What is that lo 5* number? I can't comprehend. :?
Night time temps are nice up there, bring a sweat shirt and for those from the south a winter coat. :wink:
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Update on Lodging,
I talked with and am Fwding his info,to wit.../
"My name is Steve Dobson, I own and operate The Aroostok Hospitality Inn, with two locations. One facility is located 4 1/2 from The Aroostok Centre Mall in Presque Isle, on Rte 164, and the second is located at 95 main street, in Van Buren. I still have a few rooms available in the Van Buren facility, and several at our Washburn/Presque Isle facility, on the date of your event."
FYI only, I have no info or specific recommendations on these places.
Bob W, The LTA Guy
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I have a second bed available in my room at the Hampton inn in PI. Ali couldn't go and he thought Eric might need it but it sounds like he may be out as well. i don't snore... much! :cheers:
May also be able to accomodate enroute. Shooting for spending Thursday night near the southern tip of Maine at this point. Same for Monday night following the lobster feast.
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It is like they say, if you don't like the weather in northern Maine, wait a minute.
Don't bank on the long range forcast.
Don't worry about those "5s" they could be 3s by next weekend. We had frost in June.
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if racing is done for the day,
that beer sounds good.
leaving sun. am. told diane i'd show her some of new
england 4 yrs. ago. that was before bub got in the way.
finally be able to look you up.
franey
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I will be attending the Loring event and look forward to meeting some of you in person. If you will be there and would like me to stop by and talk wind tunnel "stuff", please contact me via email and leave name, cell number or some way for me to find you at the event.
David Salazar
A2 Wind Tunnel
www.A2WT.com
dave@aerodynwindtunnel.com
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I'm flying out for Luke's this afternoon ... the trip has started.
;D
Friday, Jul 30
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Sunny
High: 70*F
Low: 48*F
Precipitation: 0%
Wind: From the North at 9mph
Saturday, Jul 31
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Mostly Sunny
High: 76*F
Low: 53*F
Precipitation: 0%
Wind: From the North Northeast at 4mph
Sunday, Aug 1
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Mostly Cloudy
High: 75*F
Low: 58*F
Precipitation: 20%
Wind: From the South Southwest at 6mph
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! 48*F ! what the hell is that :-o
Which direction does the track run?
Bill
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! 48*F ! what the hell is that :-o
Which direction does the track run?
Bill
It's what we call comfortable working weather :-D. The track runs close to North-South.
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I don't think Bill has the concept of what's "comfortable" well in hand. Bill, when it's in the mid-50s and sunny -- that's when folks up there and also in Michigan's Upper Peninsula -- will be out in the yard, wearing shorts and a cutoff t-shirt, working and just barely breaking a sweat. Go past the college campus and there'll be guys playing frisbee wearing only shorts and shoes, and the girls will be lying on towels, wearing skimpy bathing suits, and grabbing some rays.
I imagine you'd look like an out-of-towner up there, walking around looking at the locals -- while wearing your parka and boots and thick gloves. It's all in what you're used to, you know. . .
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Track runs south to north ...
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! 48*F ! what the hell is that :-o
Which direction does the track run?
Bill
The runway sits at about 348 degrees. (about 12 dgrees west of north). Military does not mark their runway directions like public runways, so the best educated guess is about 12 degrees.
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Me thinks the weather will be good for us old school N/A guys to make good HP !!!!!
Charles
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I noticed that people were complaining about the cool nights.
Well folks, here in the county there will be plenty of dense air and dense people.
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The people were great last year. I needed a 12 volt lighter plug in for the radios and Caribou NAPA delivered it to the race course on Friday. It cost $3.50. No charge for the delivery.
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The people were great last year. I needed a 12 volt lighter plug in for the radios and Caribou NAPA delivered it to the race course on Friday. It cost $3.50. No charge for the delivery.
That's awesome! I bet they all argued about who got to deliver it! :-D
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I don't think Bill has the concept of what's "comfortable" well in hand. Bill, when it's in the mid-50s and sunny -- that's when folks up there and also in Michigan's Upper Peninsula -- will be out in the yard, wearing shorts and a cutoff t-shirt, working and just barely breaking a sweat. Go past the college campus and there'll be guys playing frisbee wearing only shorts and shoes, and the girls will be lying on towels, wearing skimpy bathing suits, and grabbing some rays.
I imagine you'd look like an out-of-towner up there, walking around looking at the locals -- while wearing your parka and boots and thick gloves. It's all in what you're used to, you know. . .
Reminds me of the time I went to watch the NHRA Winternationals in L.A. If I remmember right that is in early February. Anyway....I got quite the look from a couple wearing downfilled parka's on the beach when I was going for a wee little dip in the Ocean.
:-o :-o
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Current weather prediction is for 6mph tailwind on Sunday. :lol:
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I noticed that people were complaining about the cool nights.
Well folks, here in the county there will be plenty of dense air and dense people.
Great, I'll feel right at home :cheers:
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Karl, your not rolling yet??
Fred
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Karl, your not rolling yet??
Fred
Fred,
nope, not rolling yet.
Brenda & I finished loading up this morning at 3am, now i gotta go to work until noon-ish
THEN we roll.
I am antsy to get on the road, that's fo sho.
Karl
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Good luck to all the Loring bound folks, especially Cajun Kid with the debut of that beautiful Stude!
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Karl ... save me a pit stall next to the Highway Patrol car ... Joe
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Made great time getting to Loring. 10-1/2 hours from Long Island. Wind blowing hard from the west on the race course when we got there. Bob and crew has a lot of set up work done. Spoke to Charles on the road. He is about 4 hours behind us. A lot of campers set up already on the site. Weather is excellent save the wind. This is going to be a great meet.
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Weather looks good for Saturday high of 73 NW wind at 6. Chance of showers this afternoon. Should be there by 10AM today.
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I guess by now everyone knows that Bill Warner went 273 mph today ...
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Joe, did you run??
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Hey Joe, are you using the big S&S carb?
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Yes I did. First run a bit bumpy on the right side of the course and I was undergeared = 153.482. Regeared went to the left side second run. Smooth and easy. I short shifted into high and couldnt get the R-s up to the red line = 153.848. Tomorrow I will not make the same mistake. Bike ran straight and handled well.
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Yes ... Super D on methanol.
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(http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l138/72tx340/PICT0365-1.jpg)
:-D
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Outstanding Joe.........good luck tomorrow
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Bike looks good Joe!
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Hey, CajunKid -- did you guys have rear suspension issues?
We saw you go by at mid track and it looked like a handful. .......SIDEWAYS!
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Drivers meeting ... Joe Timney and Mark Sodameyer
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Bill Warner on the return road ....
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Keith Turk ... first run Saturday
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So Al Camaro ... pushed off
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Circle track car
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2 stroke
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Greg Neal ... ran over 200
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No aero here
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9116 on the recovery trailer
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Wounded warrior lakester
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Interesting BSA ...
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Joe, thanks for sharing. Are you happy with the bike and your runs. It sure looks good.
:cheers:
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Need a better pilot ... I keep short shifting into high and it pulls the motor down to far to recover ... consistantly bad driving ... 143 mph - 3 times ... bike handles really well, straight, stops really well, seems to make a ton of power down stairs but not upstairs ... might need more main jet on the big end.
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G- typo ... MAKE that 153 mph ... don't have to make it worse then it is ... the little motor (60 cu in) went 146 on open bike and this motor makes a lot more power ahnd it is only going 153 on a lower chassis bike ... It needs some massage to get the potential it has realized.
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I am bringing it out to Dan Dunn (NRHS) on the way to Bub's ... he worked wonders with the little motor 2 years ago and I will call upon his powers once again.
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The bsa has a turbo nitrous and a flatslide carb from what i could see.
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Hey, CajunKid -- did you guys have rear suspension issues?
We saw you go by at mid track and it looked like a handful. .......SIDEWAYS!
No issues ( "that I felt") on both the 162 and the 175 runs it broke the tires loose in second and the shift to third, but from my seat was just a "little wiggle" If anyone has any Mid Track and or finishline and parachute pics I would sure appreciate some copies emailed ?
Thanks
Charles
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Charles ... what was your best speed?
joe
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Hey, CajunKid -- did you guys have rear suspension issues?
We saw you go by at mid track and it looked like a handful. .......SIDEWAYS!
No issues ( "that I felt") on both the 162 and the 175 runs it broke the tires loose in second and the shift to third, but from my seat was just a "little wiggle" If anyone has any Mid Track and or finishline and parachute pics I would sure appreciate some copies emailed ?
Thanks
Charles
I got a video of you leaving the start line but it got blurry when I zoomed in as you where heading down the track.
Click on picture.. :-)
Kevin
(http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u106/Kjt_photos/Loring%20Speed%20Runs%201010/th_028.jpg) (http://s166.photobucket.com/albums/u106/Kjt_photos/Loring%20Speed%20Runs%201010/?action=view¤t=028.mp4)
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That things sounds STRONG Charles. :-D :-D :-D
Pete
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Thanks Pete,
That slow 1st gear start had to cost me 3 to 4 mph for sure ???
Yeah she does sound strong for a 255 cu.in. N/A motor on gas...
That run was my Fastest of the meet 175.250
Lots of fun and a B license. Lots more left under the hood.
Charles
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Hey, CajunKid -- did you guys have rear suspension issues?
We saw you go by at mid track and it looked like a handful. .......SIDEWAYS!
No issues ( "that I felt") on both the 162 and the 175 runs it broke the tires loose in second and the shift to third, but from my seat was just a "little wiggle" If anyone has any Mid Track and or finishline and parachute pics I would sure appreciate some copies emailed ?
Thanks
Charles
Got a few-give me a bit....
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Your car was perfect going thru the lites--nose was down. Cave must be thinking about the other black Stude-it was WAY out of shape twice (we could see the right side of the car from finish!! :-o) to the point I was looking for an escape route! )
One car that had lots of lift was the gold Trans Am.
http://rides.webshots.com/video/3065140600064449971xxEaRG (http://rides.webshots.com/video/3065140600064449971xxEaRG)
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Charles /// from that video you dropped the chute before the first photo eye ...
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With an LSR chute, you can do that without scrubbing speed. It takes so
long to spring, bounce and then deploy that it won't make too much of a
difference.
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Charles /// from that video you dropped the chute before the first photo eye ...
I pulled the Chute to soon (that is called Pre-Mature-Chute -a Lation !!) LOL
The GPS read 166 when I pulled the Chute, but the timing slip showed 162.xxx
The next run I waited and pulled chute as drivers door passed the first photo cell and GPS read 175 and time slip read 175.250
With that chute I never hit the brakes and had to get back on the gas to make the turn.
STROUD rocks,,. that Chute did it's job. !!!
Charles
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Good practice with the chute, Charles. Be advised that when you're running at Bonneville the tower will often send a compliment, over the CB for all to hear, when you deploy your chute correctly. And if you mess up -- don't be surprised to hear that the tower has suggested that you and your crew get a friendly visit from Lee Kennedy or someone else - about how and when to toss out the laundry.
Nothing's private in this game!
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After you drop your chute, you drive away from it. The shroud lines must first fully deploy and then the canopy blossum. The issue is that most drivers back off the throttle when they release the chute and are just coasting from that point on. If you were to release just before the second light and then back off you would be under power in the timing traps and have a chute out and ready to blossum. Best practice. This opinion is from the undersigned. A US Army trained parachute rigger.
Joe
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I pulled the chute a bit early for sure,,,I stayed in the gas until I felt it blossom, then I rolled out slowly.
I just saw the video, it looked text book other than the fact I pulled the chute 132 feet early.. The deplotment and blossom looked good, the chute stayed low and did not sky,,, I would say I have it set up just about right.
Charles
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text book action for sure ... tough to do better with a new car, new track ... you did good Charles ...
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Charles ... Reviewing the videos on cars with chutes, Steve Van Blarcom was just about perfect. Dropped the chute right at the exit of the timing traps and backed off right there. Yours was dodge good and it really stabilized the car. Doesnt look like you lost speed as it blossumed after you exited. The videos are cool. We should get someone to video the whole event at the big end ... Joe
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Thanks Joe,
I was concerned as I had not pulled a chute in over 20 years..I also was concerned about how it would deploy and such. I am very pleased with the whole deal. yes car was very stable with chute.
My first run was 153 with no chute car stopped quite well with the brakes but the rear did wiggle a bit slowong from 153 to about 120, then very straight, the run on the video was my 162.xxx run and pulling chute for the Video..
my other run was the 175.250 and I pulled the chute at the second photo cell and it hit a bit harder and was very comfortable how straight and stable it kept the car.
I can only guess the rear air from my spoiler and the chute like each other LOL
See you in September at Maxton
Charles
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with a push plate ... Joe
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Your car was perfect going thru the lites--nose was down. Cave must be thinking about the other black Stude-it was WAY out of shape twice (we could see the right side of the car from finish!! :-o) to the point I was looking for an escape route! )
One car that had lots of lift was the gold Trans Am.
http://rides.webshots.com/video/3065140600064449971xxEaRG (http://rides.webshots.com/video/3065140600064449971xxEaRG)
sdwarf36,
I had the gold firebird and yes, alot of frontend lift. Did you get any topend videos of my car? If so, could you point me in the right direction. We made a couple of changes for the sunday run and it was a handling improvement. It ran 164.768mph. I want to stay in B/PRO next year so the rules limit any major aero changes. I know some of you have some ideas that could help. So, whatcha got? I was too busy with the car to chitchat much at the race. New car issues.
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Your car was perfect going thru the lites--nose was down. Cave must be thinking about the other black Stude-it was WAY out of shape twice (we could see the right side of the car from finish!! :-o) to the point I was looking for an escape route! )
One car that had lots of lift was the gold Trans Am.
http://rides.webshots.com/video/3065140600064449971xxEaRG (http://rides.webshots.com/video/3065140600064449971xxEaRG)
sdwarf36,
I had the gold firebird and yes, alot of frontend lift. Did you get any topend videos of my car? If so, could you point me in the right direction. We made a couple of changes for the sunday run and it was a handling improvement. It ran 164.768mph. I want to stay in B/PRO next year so the rules limit any major aero changes. I know some of you have some ideas that could help. So, whatcha got? I was too busy with the car to chitchat much at the race. New car issues.
From what I have seen at the track and in the wind tunnel, you can reduce some front end lift by lowering the front and having some rake. If you are hooking up in the rear pretty good, you can lower your rear spoiler height and or angle.. that may reduce rear downforce and add some front,,, can you add a front air dam ? These may not work at all and or they may help,, each setup is differant and some changes effect differant cars in differant ways.
Best thing if you are close is 2 to 3 hours in the wind tunnel.
Charles
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Your car was perfect going thru the lites--nose was down. Cave must be thinking about the other black Stude-it was WAY out of shape twice (we could see the right side of the car from finish!! :-o) to the point I was looking for an escape route! )
One car that had lots of lift was the gold Trans Am.
http://rides.webshots.com/video/3065140600064449971xxEaRG (http://rides.webshots.com/video/3065140600064449971xxEaRG)
sdwarf36,
I had the gold firebird and yes, alot of frontend lift. Did you get any topend videos of my car? If so, could you point me in the right direction. We made a couple of changes for the sunday run and it was a handling improvement. It ran 164.768mph. I want to stay in B/PRO next year so the rules limit any major aero changes. I know some of you have some ideas that could help. So, whatcha got? I was too busy with the car to chitchat much at the race. New car issues.
I'm thinking that scoop can't be helping any--maybe stiffer rear springs/shocks--hard telling if the front was lifting--or the rear was squatting..
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Your car was perfect going thru the lites--nose was down. Cave must be thinking about the other black Stude-it was WAY out of shape twice (we could see the right side of the car from finish!! :-o) to the point I was looking for an escape route! )
One car that had lots of lift was the gold Trans Am.
http://rides.webshots.com/video/3065140600064449971xxEaRG (http://rides.webshots.com/video/3065140600064449971xxEaRG)
I DID get the studes confused... no, I was not hung over!
Its tough to read the lettering on the side of the cars at 170mph as they go by! HA! :-D
Sdwarf- your 'bird was practically floating the front each run. From the 1.25 mile position, it looked like it rode like a caddy, but it was wayyyyy nose high and floaty-lookin'.
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Loose the rear factory spoiler lower the car and run it as a firebird.To run in production you can only use stock stuff.If ran as a fire bird with out the t/a stuff it may be worse for lift or better.You could go to the A2 wind tunnel and sort it out there.
terry
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diane and i had a great time. saw old friends and made new ones.
all the vols & organizers were great.
hope to make it an annual trip.
franey
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F- sorry I missed meeting you ... next year for sure ... Joe
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F- sorry I missed meeting you ... next year for sure ... Joe
looks like you're posting to me, joe.
you and phil teched my similar to yours kneedragger on fri.
you couldn't find the batt. laying on it's side under the
trans next to the oil filter.
phil had trouble w/ the safety wire on the fr. axle big end .
ok, now you remember. i don't blame the lapse; you techs
had a lot of bikes to go through. very busy.
franey
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Dang... Joe,,, you tech'd the bike and don't remember the rider/owner/builder,,,,
Now I see,,,, you have CRS,,, hmm that explains why you forget the push plate to help me out LOL !!!
See you in September.
Charles
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Worse then that .... I did meet Franey and didnt know it was him ... found out yesterday .... Incidentally, the front hitch came in today ... I will have it on tomorrow ... Joe
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Worse then that .... I did meet Franey and didnt know it was him ... found out yesterday .... Incidentally, the front hitch came in today ... I will have it on tomorrow ... Joe
Joe,,,, I NEED Proof ,,, send a pic,,,, LOL
See you at Maxton
Charles
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Proof
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CJ, it was good to meet you and talk to you in person. Your car is even more impressive than the pictures. It ran like a champ and sounded great. Congratulations on building such a fine machine. Gail and I had a great time. Our "bird" ran like a clock and I made it into the two club. We are now looking forward to running at Maxton in October. DickJ
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Worse then that .... I did meet Franey and didnt know it was him ... found out yesterday .... Incidentally, the front hitch came in today ... I will have it on tomorrow ... Joe
Joe,,,, I NEED Proof ,,, send a pic,,,, LOL
See you at Maxton
Charles
ck,
came down for that beer after sundays racing
and that beautiful rig of yours was gone.
franey
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Proof
Joe, what year and make is your truck??
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Dick, congratulations on making it into the 2 club. You have been knocking on the door awhile.
Fred
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Dick ,
Yes it was also my pleasure to meet you in person. Congrats on the LTA 200 Club.
See you at Maxton.
Charles
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2003 Chevrolet Silverado - extended cab / long bed ... I have the front hitch on and will make a plate today .... Joe
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(http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd166/55chevr/IMG_0121.jpg)
The center of the reciever is 11" from the ground and the Stude roller is 15-1/2" .... I have 2 x 2 box tubing for the plate ... Joe
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Dick J. BIG CONGRATS....!!!!
way to keep after it..
Joe :)
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Joe,
hitch looks good.
CV