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Title: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on July 21, 2009, 02:36:25 PM
I have decided to start an new Build Diary. TREITS STREAMLINER   We are having problems that apparently have no solution, starting with page 23 in the prior diary.

The other site is still accessible but I can not post and have it work. So if u have questions that have been addressed in the prior diary, go to it and open it. In my opinion, it will sink lower and lower in the listing but it will be available.

My first post will be this evening,

Thanks for your interest and comments. Both Marlo and I will be at Speed Week and you are invited to find us and ask questions. We stay at Motel 6, ground floor, right below where Stainless dumps his urinal, but we stand behind the ledge.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: bvillercr on July 21, 2009, 03:54:00 PM
I too was having problems accessing the site.  Glad to see that a new one has been started, thanks Freud.  See ya soon. :cheers:


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: doug odom on July 21, 2009, 04:23:37 PM
And I thought He just didn't want me to see!!!!


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: desotoman on July 21, 2009, 04:26:06 PM
Hi Freud,

For the new people who come to the site you might suggest they do a search for the Original Topic, which
is Marlo Treit's Liner . Or post a link to it. Just a suggestion.

Tom G.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on July 21, 2009, 05:56:01 PM
At Tom's suggestion, here is the link that will take you to the last working page of the previous diary.

http://www.landracing.com/forum/index.php/topic,2747.315.html

This will open the last page and from there u can access the entire site by starting with page one if u desire. The numbers at the bottom left

of the page are the page numbers of all the posts.

Thanks Tom for alerting me to that oversight.

FREUD



Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on July 21, 2009, 06:05:49 PM
Well my first attempt at posting has been rejected.

That really boils me. That's where I was when the doo doo hit the fan a week ago.

I'll see if I can get this posted.

If not, I may just surrender.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Glen on July 21, 2009, 06:20:02 PM
It worked Freud.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on July 21, 2009, 06:29:04 PM
Dodge, I was in a sweat when it rejected the post. What happened was that I reposted the images that were on the phantom page 23. Even

though it wouldn't open, the image names are held in the diary. So the post was rejected because those image names were already in the

system. I altered the names of the 3 files and tried again. If it had spit it back at me I would probably have quit forever. Now I will keep

track of every file posted and make certain that I don't post duplicates.

This was a "high level" meeting between Jason Hosking, left side,  he works with Hume, Jim Hume, center and Marlo Treit.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on July 21, 2009, 06:31:46 PM
Remember these words:  tolerance and perfection.

I'll relate them to this project in the next few days.

It is heartbreaking.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on July 21, 2009, 07:25:47 PM
Troy, give me a call if I can help u with the posting.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: bvillercr on July 21, 2009, 07:51:03 PM
During working hours I access this site through my phone, I think the problem could have been a combination of my phone and the problem you were having.  Seems like the only problem is on page 23, go figure.  :cheers:


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Dr Goggles on July 21, 2009, 08:05:06 PM
All hail the beast,

It doesn't matter how many times I see that thing there is ALWAYS something that makes my eyes extend fully on their stalks........just quietly , the manifold pieces shown in the post above must be about the first pieces that I have looked at and thought that there was a remote chance that I could have made them myself.......everything else? well, as far as I'm concerned it could have come from another planet.....It is a fearsome piece of engineering and a testament to the guys who have designed and are building it.

Like when I saw Roy Buchanan play guitar ,all I can think is "In another lifetime". :cheers:


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on July 21, 2009, 08:12:05 PM
This diary has had no problem except the one I created. So far, so goot.

Pork Pie, are u there?

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: SPARKY on July 21, 2009, 09:16:37 PM
Freud, does it have to do with perfection vs finish time? 


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Peter Jack on July 21, 2009, 09:38:48 PM
Good to see all's working again Freud. Keep up the good work.

Pete


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: PorkPie on July 22, 2009, 05:32:34 AM
This diary has had no problem except the one I created. So far, so goot.

Pork Pie, are u there?

FREUD

Hello Freud, my old friend.......yeap I'm still alive.......just only busy like hell......to get everything done before I start my vacation on Thursday the 6th. I will arrive at the salt on Thursday night for the full moon :-D


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Stainless Two on July 22, 2009, 06:35:30 AM
Stainless does not dump his own urinal any longer, he has kids and even grandkids to do things for him these days :).  stay behind the ledge though, the boy's aim may still be questionable...LOL :)   :cheers:


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Stainless1 on July 22, 2009, 08:02:47 AM
Freud, as much as I hate to say it, the problem that broke the other thread must be that picture of you I posted....  :| the Feds probably are just trying to protect you  :roll:


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on July 22, 2009, 10:16:11 AM
The manufacturer of my shirt has caused the problem. They sent me a registered letter today demanding the return of the shirt and a

signed statement that I will never again wear their products.

They threatened to snatch our first born and I told them to go ahead. We weren't on the greatest of terms with her anyhow.

They don't know of the new build diary so, Stainless, don't post any shots of me wearing that shirt.

FREUD



Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: bobc on July 22, 2009, 07:30:33 PM
Freud and all,

The Web Elf hath not forgotten about the Page 23 problem... but 'tis somewhat intractable.  I hope to get it fixed, and maybe even get the two threads together again.

Thank you all for your patience,
Bob

PS, Can someone tell me about the threatening letters I've been receiving about allowing some shirt photos to be posted?


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on July 22, 2009, 09:07:58 PM
Web Elf, run and hide if u get more challenges regarding shirts.

We will back off on u about page 23 but our lack of green cards and witness protection plans are nothing in comparison to the "shirt deal."

If u ever have plans for a family, stay away from the shirts. It will carry on past your grave.

Stainless is developing a plan to divert the shirt studs.

He is going under cover to confuse them.  FORGET about page 23.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on July 22, 2009, 09:51:35 PM
The panels back to the wheel wells are ready for finishing. There are some minor surface adjustments needed but as soon as these are done

The panels will be sent out for internal painting. When that is done, the rivets can be installed and the skin attached to the ribs. It looks to

me that we are talking about six panels. The panels at the wheel wells are still a ways from being done. They will need small radius

reliefs at the very bottom of the tire profile. That panel is next to his right leg. When those are done, that panel will be ready to be

riveted to the internal structure.

So all I will post is this one panel. Jason is attaching it to it's ribs for final fit and finishing. The felt pen marks are the areas that will get

slight adjustments.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on July 25, 2009, 11:22:17 AM
The wooden patterns support the internal supports for the tail section skin.

This support system is in place while the panels are being rebuilt for the section immediately behind the air brake.

After all the work on the major area of that panel was left behind  they are starting over with new panels attached to the upper section.

There are two weld joints and the structure was cut apart and new panels are being formed by Steve's Auto Restoration in Portland, OR. Fitting and finish will be redone and the

support panels will be in place when they are satisfied with the assembled profile. This is one more example of "perfect" or start over.

The metal supports will be built and installed when the internal supports profile is a match for the body profile.

FREUD



Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on July 25, 2009, 12:04:05 PM
This is the first of 3 parts of an interview that was done July 22nd. It was done in the doorway of Hume's shop and the background

noise is Jason at work and logging trucks on the highway thats about 200 feet from the shop.

I hope u enjoy it.  Cut me some slack on the quality. Kepner will bury my bones when he hears it. Sorry Bret.

Part 1    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sz1xfuBHPs


FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: desotoman on July 25, 2009, 12:52:52 PM
Hi Freud,

I just watched Part 1 and you did a great job. I appreciate all of the effort you have put into this build keeping everyone up to date and well informed. I am sure Marlo is happy with your efforts also. I cannot wait to see Part 2 and 3.

Keep up the excellent work,

Tom G.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: SPARKY on July 25, 2009, 04:05:50 PM
Thanks for the video!!!!!!!!!!!  look forward to the rest   see you on the salt!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on July 25, 2009, 05:05:20 PM
If the videos bring questions to you, just post the question and if I can't answer it I'll get the answer in the next video.

THANX

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on July 25, 2009, 08:39:12 PM
About the problem -- here's what Bob, our web elf, says about it:

"Jon, I figgered out that there's a corrupt record in the database.  I'm trying to get direct access to the Db in order to blow it away.

Any page that has that record on it comes up blank.  I added a bunch of posts to move it down in the stack, and sure enough, the second page came up blank, and #1 was ok (and full of my posts)."

So -- yes, we're working on it, and we're also very sorry for the interruption.  And especially sorry for giving you fits, Freud.  We'll get it all better really soon, and anyway -- you've come up with a temporary workaround.  Thanks.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on July 25, 2009, 10:11:08 PM
This website isn't for me. It's for all the people that we can entertain and to whom we can provide information.

I am overwhelmed with the support I have received from Bob, the slave in the bowels of this electronic marvel and from you, Jon, for

selecting a person as patient as he is.  I am probably the source of the contamination. It happened on my shift, so I will take my share

of noodle lashes for creating the problem.

I'll do the best I can to make up for the inconvenience that our viewers have endured and see if I can't step it up with some with new and

better presentations.

Thanks for providing this site for me to present Marlo's fantastic project. So for that I will add Part 2 of the "country side" interview of

Jim Hume.


Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sz1xfuBHPs
 
Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_iyYxrXuoQ 

Thanks again, Landracing.com and all of the viewers.

FREUD



Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Peter Jack on July 25, 2009, 10:31:59 PM
Thanks Freud. You do superb work. Thanks also to Jim Hume for doing the interview with you.

Pete


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on July 26, 2009, 10:24:09 AM
The third interview will be posted Sunday evening.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on July 26, 2009, 07:18:50 PM
In case u have just signed on and the site opened to this page, here are the three videos of the Jim Hume interview.

Hope you enjoy them.



Part 1:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sz1xfuBHPs
 
Part 2:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_iyYxrXuoQ 
 
Part 3:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSmYKObDhbg 
 

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Brian Westerdahl on July 26, 2009, 07:47:42 PM
Thanks Freud and also Jim GREAT STUFF


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on August 14, 2009, 12:01:34 PM
I'll post fotos this weekend.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: t russell on August 16, 2009, 08:24:08 PM
Thanks

terry


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Dr Goggles on August 16, 2009, 08:39:16 PM
I'll post fotos this weekend.

FREUD

...and PM me Marlo's postal address so I can send him that shirt.... :-D

you're not doing anything improper with that shirt of mine that you're looking after are you???????


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on August 16, 2009, 09:54:05 PM
Everyone wanted to "see down under" when the girl wore it at the wet T-shirt contest.

I've cleaned it up with bleach so it looks almost new.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on September 14, 2009, 11:49:08 PM
Hi Fellows!

I took a few days off but Hume and Jason haven't. I have done fotos most every week except Speedweek

so I can bring the diary back up to date with 4 or 5 new posts.

In order to shape the body support pieces that will form the transition from the vertical sides to the under body,

they used the original buck to make hammer forms over which they will shape the transition pieces. The lower

section is constantantly tapering toward the back, just as the panels above do. So, all of these forms are cut on an angle,

as well as the contour curve to the flat bottom panel. The angle lines on the wood show the difference that the taper

generates.

I'll post those pieces tonight and in the next post I'll show you the finished supports that are made over these forms.

Nice to be back and Thanks for your patience.

FREUD



Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Rchop on September 15, 2009, 08:49:30 AM
The interviews were interesting Freud, thanks for posting them.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on September 15, 2009, 09:55:06 AM
I need help in posting them. Now that my granddaughter is away to school, I'll have to dupe someone into

showing me how to prepare and post on uTube,

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: racefanwfo on September 15, 2009, 02:37:25 PM
how long till the car will be run. is there a target date.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on September 18, 2009, 08:36:44 AM
RACEFAN......

Listen to the tail end of the third video.

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSmYKObDhbg

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: hitz on September 18, 2009, 06:56:46 PM
Freud,
   A question for you and Mr. Hume. At what temperature is the new streamliner skin straight? Is there a way to make an aluminum body so it stays straight in a big temperature change?

  I can't even begin to compare my amateur tin work on my lakester to Mr. Humes but it really looked bad when the sun hit it at Bonneville in August. Come to think of it, my old 8A Luscombe wings didn't look too smooth on a 110 degree day in Redding either. I think I see why most of the streamliners are fiberglass now.
 
  The metal work and the substructure on the Treit liner are a piece of art! Kudos to Mr.Hume and his crew.

  My oldest son told me years ago, "done is good too, dad".
 
  I've had a ride in it now! Slow but a ride. :-D

  Harvey


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on September 19, 2009, 10:00:51 PM
Great question hitz.

The difference in most aluminum skins and this one is thickness. The entire skin is 0.085", considerably thicker than any airplane wing:to my knowledge.

If you go back thru this build diary and the original one, you will see how close the support ribs are. There is much more support than usual. But actually

I have no reason to make that statement. It has been neither 105F or -20F in Hume's shop. So at the shop temp, it looks excellent and I guess it's

something they won't do extensive testing on to answer your question. Some engineer will likely give an opinion. I've given you my uneducated one.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on September 19, 2009, 10:24:58 PM
Harvey, you drove me to explore some ancient art and the affects heat and humidity have had on the Sistine Chapel.

Michelangelo soldiered on and finished a masterpiece and when completed he wrote a description of his work experience.

I quote him;

My beard turns up to heaven; my nape falls in,

Fixed on my spine: my breast-bone visibly

Grows like a harp: a rich embroidery

Bedews my face from brush-drops thick and thin.

My loins into my paunch like levers grind:

My buttock like a crupper bears my weight;

My feet unguided wander to and fro;

In front my skin grows loose and long; behind,

By bending it becomes more taut and strait;

Crosswise I strain me like a Syrian bow:

Whence false and quaint, I know,

Must be the fruit of squinting brain and eye;



Hume said he can agree with Michelangelo except that Michelangelo didn't have an acetylene torch, a Bridgeport Mill, a Miller welder

or an English Wheel to help him, so Hume said the technology has given him an advantage over the storied artist.

Therefore both will put their art on display for the public to judge......when it's done. The Chapel has had it's facelift after 500 years, so apparently it's

still an ongoing project. Hume has about 485 years to go to reach the same level.

I doubt many climbed the scaffold to inquire of Michelangelo, "when will you be done? and what will the heat an humidity do to this picture?"

I appreciate your dedication if you have read this in it's entirety.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on September 19, 2009, 10:39:30 PM
The structure to support the skin is now involving the area where the car begins to taper to the final sections. The area under the bottom rail forms around

that rail and the skin will attach to the belly pan behind the drivers compartment. The wooden pieces in the last foto post were the forms for this area.  The

pieces formed around these forms will curl under the chassis. I have also included one piece that goes over the top.

To see these images at their full size, try clicking on the image. It may enlarge. It does on my computer and the detail is eminently more evident.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: ack on September 20, 2009, 08:26:52 AM
how long till the car will be run. is there a target date.
RACEFAN......

Listen to the tail end of the third video.

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSmYKObDhbg

FREUD

ďA man would do nothing if he waited until he could do it so well that no one could find fault.Ē
- John Henry Newman

ďSome times you just got to Get 'er DoneĒ
- Larry the cable guy

Joe Amo 272+ mph over a timed mile with a 20 year old 1000cc sit up bike built in his garage.  Maybe it isnít perfection but it sure is impressive. 


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on September 20, 2009, 09:30:05 AM
Ack steps in and brings reality with two short sentences.

Joe is to be so highly regarded. His build is ever changing but workin' great as it is.

Ack.......once again, You is a winner.  Thanks for the contribution.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on October 09, 2009, 02:44:56 PM
The set up in the mill is to make the small end spuds that slip into the tubing to make a finished end where the tubing mates with a

support piece. Jim is holding one of the plugs and the last foto shows how it is utilized in the connection process.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: desotoman on October 09, 2009, 09:48:56 PM
Freud,

Thanks for the update.

Tom G.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on October 09, 2009, 09:50:35 PM
More soon.

Thanks Tom

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: SPARKY on October 09, 2009, 10:23:25 PM
MY God how much I enjoy, admire & appreciate workmanship like Hume's, --- Thank you LORD i do not have that Curse!


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on October 10, 2009, 10:30:17 AM
SPARKY. I'll pass your comment on to Hume. I know he will appreciate it.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on October 10, 2009, 10:59:38 AM
The canopy support frame has been fitted and drilled for the canopy. The size of the windshield will be determined by Les Davenport.

Jason Hosking is countersinking the canopy rivet holes before it is attached.

The windshield will be somewhere within the black lines on the skin. The machined vertical slot was used to give Les a way to see

how far down the opening had to go for him to see the horizon. The lateral dimension is yet to be determined. I don't know what

the windshield material will be.  Les is responsible for those choices.

FREUD



Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: gerbear42 on October 11, 2009, 02:44:58 AM
Just joined up and read it ALL!   MOTHER OF SOURCE!  What a project.  How can a run ever out-shine such a build? 
A few years back (in the late 70's) I worked on external and internal tube lugs for the Hughes LOH (Light Observation Helicopter).  It was a tube frame unit.  Turns out that they worked really well.  This would have been a great place to use that method.  What say we scrap the existing frame and start over?  I want to help.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on October 11, 2009, 09:49:42 AM
Gerbear, did you see that there are two sections to the diary?

I started the second one when a glitch occurred in the first. The original is permanently at home at the top of the Build Diary.

Thanks for your suggestion. I'll make certain that Hume gets to see it.

There could still be places where it would be useful.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: gerbear42 on October 11, 2009, 10:19:26 AM
Yes, I read it all.javascript:void(0);


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: interested bystander on October 11, 2009, 06:06:03 PM
gerbear42 -do you realize the project is ELEVEN years old.

Scrap the FRAME????


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: gerbear42 on October 11, 2009, 08:47:21 PM
I was wondering if I was going to get a rise out of someone.  NAH!  Go ahead, keep the frame, but Marlo, you owe the world a successful run.  I mean, let's don't have 12 years to build and 5 minutes to turn it into rubble. 


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on October 15, 2009, 12:35:42 AM
01em

The canopy and it's support frame . The skin section that covers the roll cage, held in place with the clamps to begin it's final fitting. All the body panels that are in place are now finished and ready to be riveted. The riveting for the panels will wait to be done all at one time.

04em

The wide flat straps are the support strips to which the tail section panels attach. The vertical plywood holds the support strips in place so that the support tubing from the sliding tail section can be located. They attach to the sliding framework on the triangular plate that attaches to the tubing. The tube at the top, on which the plastic wheels will roll, is the guide rail for the tail section. This will allow the entire tail section to be moved rearward for access to the  air and fire bottles.

07em
The large tube is a chute cannister and the pneumatic cylinder is a chute release. Plastic roller is evident on the support tube.

13em

The angle strips are the attachment points for the lower tail section panels.

14em

Overall view of the tail section.

2 views in the next post.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on October 15, 2009, 12:37:00 AM
Refer to the last post on the previous page.

Last two files. Explained in the above post.

The three rollers for the tail section carriage are now visible.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on October 15, 2009, 10:41:52 AM
*


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: hitz on October 15, 2009, 01:10:41 PM
Freud,

  *? I knew that would happen if you kept covering this project. We all appreciate your tenacity!

  Harv


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on October 15, 2009, 06:23:42 PM
I take medicine for my tenacity but it stays the same size and always points to the South Pole.

Hume is the one that needs the tenacity.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Dr Goggles on October 15, 2009, 06:49:54 PM
I take medicine for my tenacity but it stays the same size and always points to the South Pole.
FREUD
and long may it point that way......just while we're here , you haven't thought of trading up to an eleven-acity?...them's the latest thing..... :wink:


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on October 15, 2009, 07:13:07 PM
It makes it hard when I try to deal with odd numbers.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Nexxussian on October 16, 2009, 12:32:36 AM
No odd numbers huh, bummer.

FWIW when I was at speedweek I stumbled through a shop somewhere in Wendover (or was it west Wendover, I forget  :?) and I could swear I saw an audio mixing board for sale with the pots labled in increments all the way to 23. :-o

'Goes to 11' Ha! :roll:


Thanks for you 'acity' be it ten, eleven, or even 23. :-D


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: bvillercr on October 16, 2009, 12:43:03 AM
Freud, keep the info commin.  Can't wait to see more. :-D


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on October 16, 2009, 12:48:00 AM
I'll see what I can add Friday.

FerD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: SPARKY on October 16, 2009, 12:51:22 AM
Dr. F,  Glad to see you are up to your usual STUFF!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on October 16, 2009, 10:44:19 PM
I try to keep these fotos in the proper chronological order. With Speed Week and Gas Up, Ive sorta mixed

them up. These were shot before the last two posts. Just look at them and it should fit together. If "a picture is worth

a thousand words," these will save me a lot of writing.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on October 16, 2009, 10:49:24 PM
More image.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on October 16, 2009, 10:50:46 PM
Last of this set.

I'll shoot more on Monday. If it gets redundant I'm sorry. I can only show what's done.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: SPARKY on October 16, 2009, 11:18:13 PM
FREUD---thanks for the efferts and the photos    :cheers:


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on October 16, 2009, 11:21:04 PM
As I scrolled through the files I found these images of an adjustable fixture to hold any panel  as it is finished.

Notice the sliders on the tubes that allow the adjustments. It can also be adjusted for any angle to allow access to the

inner portion of the panel.

It's MILLER Time.

FREUD



Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: desotoman on October 31, 2009, 01:22:48 PM
I was just on http://www.target550.com/index.html and noticed Freud has posted some new pictures in the Picture gallery.

Click on  "Picture Gallery restructured", then click on either of the two bottom pictures for more new pictures of the build, and descriptions of what you are looking at.

Thanks Freud, for keeping us up to date on the progress IMO of one of the best looking streamliners that will ever roll on the salt. Love the detail, keep up the excellent work.

Tom G.

PS. Here is one of the new pictures on how the blower and drive will work. Photo by Freud.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Rex Schimmer on November 03, 2009, 11:02:49 AM
Check out the tube joint in the upper left of the pic that "desotoman" posted. My bet is that it is going to be replaced as it certainly needs some "gap rod" to weld up in its present state. Not the expected  quality we see on this build.

Rex


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on November 03, 2009, 11:30:37 AM
Rest assured, Rex.  There is no gap rod used in this build.  When I was making the first post on target550.com I needed several images to post.

I just grabbed whatever was close at hand and posted them to make certain that our posting method was adequate.  I apologize to Hume for

posting a piece that was just sitting there while he answered the fone.  I'd reshoot that area to confirm that it was up to the build standard but

I'd have to take the panel off that covers it. I don't intrude too frequently and I'll wait until it's uncovered and post the evidence that it's up

to standard.

It's sorta like doing a foto when a car is being polished and all the haze hasn't been wiped off.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Stainless1 on November 03, 2009, 12:03:45 PM
Rex, I think you are looking at one of the bolt in members before it was finished.  This pic is the same area I think... notice the bolt in frame members, I think they facilitate R & R of engines and blowers


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Stainless1 on November 03, 2009, 12:12:30 PM
Since I was already in the folder I decided to add a sneak peek of one part that really impressed me...
This is one of the inner wheel pants... spun stainless steel.. they are really cool


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on November 03, 2009, 02:17:20 PM
I looked at the pant for one of the rear wheel wells Sunday and decided I would do a video of it. I would have Hume explain what was

involved with accomplishing that simple looking and complex to achieve piece. It is a story to know.

In the next few weeks, I promise. 

It wouldn't be that your name influenced your choice would it, Robert ?

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on November 07, 2009, 11:03:47 PM
Hume's shop was graced by a marvelous group of high school students today. Their instructor, Michael Werner, brought them fpr

a show and tell session of a race car as it evolves. The girls project, YES, girls, is to build a prototype car for the 2010 Shell Eco Marathon.

Good Luck, Ladies.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: maguromic on November 07, 2009, 11:12:31 PM
Freud, Thanks for sharing and updates on the build.  This is what gives me inspiration and every time I look at the pictures I see new details that I have missed before and are amazed by it.  I can spend hours looking at them .  Tony :cheers:


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on November 07, 2009, 11:26:51 PM
Tony, more soon, I promise. Also check Target550.com. I am feeding both sites.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: SPARKY on November 08, 2009, 10:48:05 AM
Multi talented?  :-D


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on November 08, 2009, 12:39:27 PM
Saturday Hume hosted a "show and tell" session for students from Granite Falls High School Eco/Urban Manufacturing ClAcura. Their project is

designing and building a car for The Shell Eco Marathon. This is an all girl project. The students were accompanied by Manufacturing

Instructor Michael Werner, in the background, and School Board member Bob Quarterman.

Instructor Werner and students Pooja Sethi (r) and Shante Stowell discuss the 1/10 scale model.

Their school is in Granite Falls, Wa.

FREUD



Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: doug odom on November 08, 2009, 01:12:40 PM
That is so cool. I love it when the young people are getting interested in any kind of motorsports.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on November 08, 2009, 05:58:33 PM
Their instructor is a cool dude. He will guide them as they make decisions but will not pressure them.

Can you imagine what it would be like, as a "auto shop" student, to go to a place that has a piece like a streamliner?

The class actually is called a Manufacturing Class but when it comes to hands on, it's all about a car.

There was also an experience for the parents that brought them. They had no idea what was inside that building.

You can believe that they got an ear full on the way home.

These students are most fortunate and extremely enthusiastic.

FREUD



Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: SPARKY on November 08, 2009, 08:03:01 PM
Sota like getting to watch DeVinci or Angelo paint!!!!!!!!!!

I would bet none of them suspected they were entering the equivelent of the Sistine Chapel!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on November 22, 2009, 11:44:12 AM
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Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on November 25, 2009, 06:50:02 PM
I'm not exactly sure how to phrase this, but I'm gonna give it a shot.  I've assumed the position (not the one ya get into just before they slap the cuffs on ya) of web elf for http://www.target550.com/index.html (http://www.target550.com/index.html).

I wanna thank Jon Amo for the great start he did on that site and mention that my assumption of said position has no negative implications toward him nor the job he did. 

The "Photo Gallery Restructured" is where I started and I just rolled out a somewhat comprehensive revision of the html code.  Most of the stuff I did is inside and isn't really apparent to the site visitor..but in this case I mainly worked on browser compatibility.  The next part to get a facelift will be the Crew section.

Freud's sending me his photos after he's added line copy (or captions) to them which is a really kool way to handle the tedious job of adding descriptive text to the images and beats the h*ll outta modifying every single html page when an update is added.

Freud mentioned getting a new influx of food stamps so that he might feed those who are hungry for updates on a very kool liner.  Well, I guess I'm the food stamp guy as well as web elf.

We'll try for weekly updates, but the holiday season may get in the way, although work is continuing on the car. 

I feel very flattered and honored to be asked to join this team in the elf slot.  I'd like to thank Freud and Marlo for this opportunity to contribute in an area where I have some ability.



Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Stan Back on November 25, 2009, 06:55:38 PM
Froyd says you got THE ability, not just some.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on November 25, 2009, 07:36:33 PM
Since I was already in the folder I decided to add a sneak peek of one part that really impressed me...
This is one of the inner wheel pants... spun stainless steel.. they are really cool

I sure hope Freud will get a chance to tell the story of the wheel enclosures.  It's a very kool story, just one of many associated with this liner...it's a masterpiece.  The photo shows one of the enclosures after a bit of heat has been judiciously applied.





Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: desotoman on December 04, 2009, 05:54:50 PM
What luck, I found some new updates on the target 550 site. Here is a link.

Tom G.

PS. Freud & Ray you are doing a wonderful job, keep up the good work.


http://target550.com/gallery/15_tailsectionalignmentpins/index.html


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on December 04, 2009, 06:11:04 PM
Well, ya went and jumped the gun on us, but yeah.  I just put that update there.

Njoy,



Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: desotoman on December 13, 2009, 10:25:30 PM
More new pictures. Thanks Freud and Ray.

Tom G.

http://target550.com/gallery/16_Tail%20Section%20Retainer%20and%20Guide/index.html


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on December 13, 2009, 11:19:22 PM
Yer pretty good at this, Tom.  We just got 'em up earlier today.  Then some idjit hit a power pole near my house and I was outta juice for a while. 

Hope ya enjoy the photos.



Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: maguromic on December 14, 2009, 12:16:46 AM
Simply beautiful !!!  Thanks for the pictures guys.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on December 14, 2009, 10:40:35 AM
I made a few internal changes to the Gallery page.  I've tested it with Firefox, Opera and Internet Explorer and it seems to be ok.

Could I ask a few folks to check this page out?

http://target550.com/gallery.htm (http://target550.com/gallery.htm)

Please let me know if there are any problems viewing it and if so, what browser you're using.

Thanks,



Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Glen on December 14, 2009, 10:55:36 AM
Ray
No problem here works on firefox and IE. Keep it up my friend.
Glen


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on December 14, 2009, 10:59:21 AM
Thanks, Glen.



Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Peter Jack on December 14, 2009, 12:24:48 PM
Comes through just fine on my i-MAC Ray. You're doing your usual fine work. :cheers: :cheers:

Pete


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: floydjer on December 14, 2009, 12:34:29 PM
Ray, Looks great. You going to be at Cobo this year??


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on December 14, 2009, 12:46:00 PM
Sorry, but my brain's at work on another web site I run (right now dealing with Nike-Hercules missile systems) and I'm kinda dense.  I don't understand Cobo.



Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Pat Kinne / Salt201 on December 14, 2009, 05:53:33 PM

Ray: Checked out the Project site and ran across the glowing endorcement of my hero and his under the CREW LISTING - Pat :evil:

GLENN FREUDENBERGER

(PHOTO OF SOME GUY HERE)

We are unable to document his existence or that he has had any experiences in his life that would add to this project.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on December 14, 2009, 06:59:11 PM
I'd like to plead insanity on the charge that Freud guy's bio.  Would ya bleeve me if I told ya that I got an email telling me that's what I otta put there?



Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Stainless1 on December 14, 2009, 11:07:42 PM
Sounded about right to me....
much more might violate the witness protection rules....  :roll:


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Rex Schimmer on December 15, 2009, 10:18:06 AM
Great job on the Target 550 web site Ray!! I spent a couple of hours going thru the pictures that Freud has taken of this magnificent engineering and fabrication effort and remain completely amazed at the staggering attention to detail and the absolutely unbelievable level of fabrication skill. As I have said before about this project, it sets the "Gold Standard" for the way that a car should be built. I am staggered at even the thought of the effort to disassemble this car, when completed, to coat, paint and plate the various parts and then to reassemble them into a LSR car. Awesome is a word that is over used today but it is the only word that I can think of that describes this effort.

Rex


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on December 15, 2009, 12:48:08 PM
I have neglected posting on Landracing since we have had Target550.com up and running. It takes me quite a bit of time to do each post and

when I get it done I don't really feel that I have "other" views to post. I'll go back and pick up some of the images that I have not used and

continue my dedication to Landracing.com. Right now  I also have the Bonneville NW Reunion to deal with. I will post on that yet today. I am

waiting for the connection for the rooms to be posted in the corporate file so that a call to either the Portland Shilo property or the toll free

number can have the same results.

There is one excellent happening for 2010. No costs have gone up. Same room rates and same banquet rates as 2009.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: desotoman on December 21, 2009, 12:42:09 AM
Ray,

It's Sunday night got anything new for us from Target 550?

Tom G.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on December 21, 2009, 01:04:02 AM
Did you look before you asked Ray?

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on December 21, 2009, 01:06:51 AM
Uhhhl...yep.  It's there.  A little later than I'd planned, but it's there nonetheless. :-o


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: desotoman on December 21, 2009, 01:43:49 AM
Did you look before you asked Ray?

FREUD

I sure did, I look every Sunday. But I wanted Ray to announce it this week, seems I have been beating him on the last couple of updates and don't want to step on anyone's toes.  Thank you Freud and Ray and please keep up the good work. I appreciate it.  

Tom G.

http://www.target550.com/gallery/17_Tail%20Structure%20Safety%20Anchor/index.html


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on December 21, 2009, 01:57:32 AM
If you wait until next Sunday, you will be two days late.

It's our Christmas present to the viewers.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on December 25, 2009, 06:07:59 AM
Well, as Freud mentioned there's a bit of a Christmas present on the Treit and Davenport liner build site:
http://www.target550.com/gallery.htm (http://www.target550.com/gallery.htm).  It's a bit different than  the "regularly scheduled broadcasts" but I think it's one that's well worth checking out.  I'm sure you'll be very impressed.  I sure was when I saw the photos.

It should be the last update of the year, although there might be one just before New Year's eve.  Don't know yet.

A little birdie told me (boy!  I haven't used that phrase in years) that there will be some things shown in future installments that will be (to quote a long lyric from the 60s) guaranteed "to blow your mind."

Thanks to all who come to visit the site.  I'm very honored to be the web elf and a small part of this team.  I feel blessed beyond measure.

I think I can speak for all involved by wishing all a Merry Christmas and a very happy New Year.




Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on December 25, 2009, 12:26:26 PM
Now everyone should begin to understand why I am so happy to have "the Rat" doing all the heavy lifting.

He lifted the words into place as I securely pounded my ear, waiting for Santa to arrive. The "elf" is the most important.

Thanks for the interest everyone has for this project. I am privileged to be in on the ground floor and be allowed to

look over Jim and Jason's shoulders as this evolves.

We will try to present interesting developments as the next year unfolds.

If Treit get's his water pipes thawed and repaired, we may have some printable words from him soon.

Merry Christmas to all of you.  

FREUD




Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on December 29, 2009, 12:21:30 AM
A belated THANKS, Rex.

We appreciate your interest and comments.

I'll get busy and add more to each diary.

Santa and his helper at work, designing the canopy support.

A Hume CAD drawing for the canopy support.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: floydjer on December 29, 2009, 08:21:20 AM
What a coincidence, I have the same CAD program as Mr. Hume. :-D


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Glen on December 29, 2009, 10:40:25 AM
What a coincidence, I have the same CAD program as Mr. Hume. :-D

Yeah, so do I and it's still fun to design something the old fashon way.
 :
cheers:


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: fredvance on December 29, 2009, 10:55:45 AM
I thought a CAD was a not very nice guy. 8-)


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: floydjer on December 29, 2009, 11:36:43 AM
I thought a CAD was a not very nice guy. 8-)
That would be me.............


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Richard Thomason on December 29, 2009, 12:19:37 PM
DannyBoy uses auto-pencil70


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: theazoldcrow on December 29, 2009, 03:59:31 PM
 :cheers:  Hey Glen!  Your chee is outa beer!    Happy New Year to you, and yours.     Crow.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on January 01, 2010, 02:13:49 AM
Everyone involved with Target550, Marlo Treit's streamliner build, are so pleased with the interest, the realistic questions you have asked,

your continuing to stay with us as the build slowly progresses and the compliments you have laid on us.


Happy New Year to all of our Landracing.com family.



FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: desotoman on January 08, 2010, 05:10:29 PM
Oh Boy, new pictures on Target 550.

Freud and Ray, love that front end.  8-)

Thanks again,

Tom G.

http://www.target550.com/gallery/21_CAD_Fire_Suppression_and_Front%20Axle/index.html


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on January 17, 2010, 12:12:28 PM
I got some photos of the front axle of the liner from Freud and put 'em on the web server yesterday.  There are a coupla images at the beginning of the section that consist of text giving a little bit of information about the axle, its components and the Greek coupler used in it.  I'd never seen one before and it struck me as being a pretty kool device.

There are also a couple of CAD (that guy again) drawings supplied by the supplier that show a hub and its exploded view (no, not a view of it exploding.)

The newest section is here: http://www.target550.com/gallery/22_Front_End_Detail/index.html (http://www.target550.com/gallery/22_Front_End_Detail/index.html)

I hope you enjoy them.



Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: desotoman on January 23, 2010, 12:27:35 AM
These are some pictures of Hume's CAD drawings.

Tom G.

http://target550.com/gallery/23_humecad_v4_0r/index.html


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on January 23, 2010, 12:34:06 AM
Yeah.  It's a sneak peek at HumeCAD v4.0r.  Brand new version of the CAD system he uses.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on January 23, 2010, 12:48:02 AM
Desotoman, you have too much time on your hands. Why don't you go check the storm drain closest to your house and insure that you won't float away with this new irrigation system that So. California is experiencing.  I still want you at the same address when I come

down next weekend for the SCTA Banquet.

I am planning to have Hume offer a course on Hume CAD v4.0r. All u need to bring in a pencil, an eraser and a pencil sharpener.

The remainder of the supplies are included.

If you dwell on Target550.com, it's all the fault of Ray the Rat.  I supply the dribble but he posts it.  Correction: fault TREIT. He pays

the tariff.

In all sincerity.....Thanks for your interest.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on January 23, 2010, 01:06:06 AM
Right on, Doc.  Treit pays the bills, we give each according to our abilities (don't ask where that quote came from.)

I just got one more website to put to bed tonite and maybe I can put me to bed tonite.  What a frikkin concept.  

I been workin on one called "Kutter and Rat"
http://www.kutterandrat.com/Welcome.html (http://www.kutterandrat.com/Welcome.html)  It's in early development stages.

The one I need to put to bed is the Auto Expo shoot:
http://www.chevyasylum.com/cruisin/cruisin2010/Welcome.html (http://www.chevyasylum.com/cruisin/cruisin2010/Welcome.html)

I divided it up into two different ways of lookin at the photos: Single and Multiple.  In the Single section, there's one representative shot of the car.  In the Multiple section, there are all the shots of each car/truck/whatever.  If ya want a quick browse, choose the "Single"  If ya want the whole enchilada, choose Multiple.  The second part is under construction as we speak.  Then I gotta get back on my "Early Daze" section from my army/Germany/Marrakech hippie days.  That one is REAL slow.  But if you've ever been to Miltenberg am Main, I have a whole lotta shots of that town, since I lived there for 2 years and consider it my German home town:
http://www.chevyasylum.com/earlydaze/02-germany/03-miltenberg/Welcome.html (http://www.chevyasylum.com/earlydaze/02-germany/03-miltenberg/Welcome.html)  There are a buncha other sections like Basic training at Ft Polk Louisiana and AIT at Ft Bliss Tx....and there will be some vintage racing stuff added and I dig out from the rubble of the re-structure.

Of anyone has a better concept of how to name or organize the single/multiple shot thing, I'd love to hear it.

Next comes e-commerce so folks can order prints and other stuff on line.

And I thought I was retired.  Hah!




Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on January 30, 2010, 01:58:25 PM
There are some new photos and captions on the website:
http://www.target550.com/index.html (http://www.target550.com/index.html)

This post shows how Jason (Jim Hume's assistant) creates mounting supports for the fire bottles.  Pretty hefty stuff.

Progress is being made every day.



Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Bville701 on January 30, 2010, 02:10:09 PM
Thanks for all the updates!!! This is GREAT stuff!!!     :cheers:


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Glen on January 30, 2010, 02:27:19 PM
This project is 11 years in the making, Marlo said he should have started a year earlier. Great streamliner. 99% of the work by Jim.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: desotoman on February 08, 2010, 03:01:34 PM
More updates have been posted today. Great work.
Thanks Freud and Ray.

Tom G.

http://www.target550.com/gallery/25_Fire_Bottles_and_cockpit_modifications/index.html


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: jimmy six on February 08, 2010, 04:45:55 PM
Great Photos. Can't tell about the leg room but it appears the drivers head is going to be right over his butt. Personally that's the right way to do it. My brain works better when I'm not laying down....(not that it works that well anyway). :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on February 17, 2010, 11:29:12 PM
There will be a new post on target550.com on Thursday.

The fotos will be by Ray the Rat.

Now I am as curious as is everyone else regarding his post.  I'll meet you at the site.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on February 18, 2010, 12:34:50 AM
I'm as curious as Freud is.  I have no idea what I'm gonna post...well, photos, maybe, but that's about as far as I've gotten.  I'll just make something up.  :)


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on February 18, 2010, 12:30:02 PM
Well, the "Rat's eye view" photos are on the server.  http://www.target550.com/index.html (http://www.target550.com/index.html)  It's the bottom link and it leads to a group of shots I got as I wandered around Hume's shop while he and Freud chatted. 

There were some things that jumped out at the camera and my eye, so it's a little different from the single topic updates that Freud's been doing.  I hope it provides some insight into what it looks like when seen from the eye (and camera lens) of a rat, and maybe showing some stuff that might not have been pointed out previously.

Hope ya like 'em,




Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: desotoman on February 18, 2010, 02:13:38 PM
Ray,

Thanks for your perspective of the shop. I love that Logan Lathe.

Tom G.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: landsendlynda on February 18, 2010, 02:39:32 PM
Fantastic job Ray!

Lynda


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: SPARKY on February 18, 2010, 04:28:42 PM
RtR   :-o  you are off by a week--its 2/18/10 :-D


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on February 18, 2010, 05:12:53 PM
Huh?  This is what the page says:

Next Update: February 25

Current Post: February 18, 2010:  Current Picture Gallery

I know I ain't the sharpest knife in the drawer, but did I overlook something that's painfully obvious to others?



Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on February 18, 2010, 06:18:55 PM
Looks OK to me. I just learned that I have a week to do my part.

THANKS and to you nonbelievers and trouble makers, I intend to do my next post in the Sioux native tongue.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on February 18, 2010, 06:37:42 PM
Looks OK to me. I just learned that I have a week to do my part.

THANKS and to you nonbelievers and trouble makers, I intend to do my next post in the Sioux native tongue.

FREUD

Mangwalay toolalay.  Kimi wokee too-la?



Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: desotoman on February 18, 2010, 07:09:57 PM
Ray,

I think what Sparky is talking about is what I highlighted in red, down the page at the bottom.

Tom G.



Welcome to Target 550 website.

Project Mission:
To exceed the current land speed records by 100 mph.

Next Update: February 25

Current Post: February 18, 2010  Current Picture Gallery

January 8, 2010.  Fire Suppression and Front Axle
The sophisticated CAD system, relocating the fire suppression bottles and the newly installed front axle, differential and steering gear.

January 16, 2010.  Front End Detail
A detailed view of the front drive and the Greek Coupler.

January 22, 2010.  Hume CAD v4.0r
A revealing glimpse at the design documents for the Target 550 'liner.They do the job.

January 29, 2010.  Fire Bottle Supports
Machining and the initial fitting of the fire bottle supports.

February 8, 2010.  Fire Bottles and Cockpit Modifications
The routing for the fire bottle lines has required modification to the inner cockpit panels.

February 25, 2010.  Photos from Rat's visit to Hume's shop.
A Rat's eye view of the liner in Hume's shop.


Target 550 MPH



Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on February 18, 2010, 07:50:28 PM
Thanks, Tom.  You and Sparky are absolutely right.  I had the wrong date there.  Duh. 

That's what I meant by overlooking something that was painfully obvious to others.  Maybe it had something to do with finishing that part up at 2 am or so.

Thanks again to both for the catch.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on February 18, 2010, 09:32:18 PM
Ray..take a pill and relax.

I've done a Google Earth and I have a Predator on it's way to silence the source.

Get your ear plugs ready.

Sparky will be an apt description of the event.

FREUD



Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: SPARKY on February 18, 2010, 09:57:47 PM
LOL   :-D


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on February 18, 2010, 10:00:00 PM
What?  I can't hear you.  Must be these damned ear plugs. 

Ohhh...Rufus sez "hi."  :)



Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: desotoman on February 18, 2010, 11:25:03 PM
I heard a rumor that "Rufus" will be the official Push Truck for Project 550.  :cheers:

Tom G.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on February 18, 2010, 11:40:18 PM
Ya never know...anything's possible.  Here's a shot of Rufus.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: SPARKY on February 19, 2010, 06:06:56 AM
Rufus  lookin  bitchin  he be stylin soon???????????    hope he doesn't fall for that bling stuff


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on February 19, 2010, 06:34:52 PM
No chance of bling for Rufus.  He's a veteran who's proud of his battle scars.

Bling is for guys who don't understand hotrodding.



Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: fredvance on February 19, 2010, 09:36:03 PM
I don't even know what bling is  :oops:


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: 4-barrel Mike on February 20, 2010, 12:52:06 AM
No chance of bling for Rufus.  He's a veteran who's proud of his battle scars.

Bling is for guys who don't understand hotrodding.



In the '70s, Bruce Geisler had a Model A pickup with an Ak Miller turbo Pinto 2.0.

Mike


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on February 20, 2010, 01:59:50 PM
Fred, bling is what hangs around the neck of an overpaid NBA player and copied by any college player that has a sugar

daddy that fronts for him.

Another thing: Rufus will never have diamond posts in his ears.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: fredvance on February 20, 2010, 02:03:42 PM
Sounds like when, back in the '70s, I went thru what I now call my "Mr. T" phase. Gold chains and a several gold rings. :-D I guess that's bling.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: landsendlynda on February 20, 2010, 02:06:50 PM
Fred,

That is the perfect example of "bling"    :cheers:

Lynda


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on February 20, 2010, 03:21:23 PM
Yup.  Bling personified.  We don't need no steenking badgers bling.   :mrgreen:  Wait.  I ain't got no hair.   :?


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: theazoldcrow on February 20, 2010, 03:24:32 PM
   :?  badgers, Ray?      Crow.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on February 20, 2010, 03:26:21 PM
Well, badges/badgers...whatever.  :)


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: landsendlynda on February 20, 2010, 07:34:24 PM
Your jealousy is showing Rat....badgers got hair!

Lynda


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on February 26, 2010, 01:38:24 AM
It's that time again. We have a new update on the Treit and Davenport streamliner build diary.

This update shows the fire bottle release cables, throttle and fuel shutoff cables and bellcranks (a piece of artwork) and the pneumatic magneto kill switches, named Orville and Wilbur (ya gotta see 'em to understand.)

Doc Freud has once again provided us with wonderful photos and captions showing the awesome craftsmanship that Hume and Jason put together. I just do the web work.

http://www.target550.com/gallery/27_cockpit_cables_and_mag_switches/index.html (http://www.target550.com/gallery/27_cockpit_cables_and_mag_switches/index.html)

For me, 4 out of the next 6 weekends are scheduled for indoor car shows (except for the Viva Las Vegas Rockabilly weekend which is an outdoor show...with Chuck Berry performing) and I'll be doing photo coverage on all of 'em.

Today I shot the final test firing of the Solid Rocket Booster for the Space Shuttle. Talk about impressive! I've finished the photo editing and I'll be putting the photos on one of my websites: http://www.raytherat.com/Welcome.html (http://www.raytherat.com/Welcome.html)

It's been a busy day for this Web Elf.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: SPARKY on February 26, 2010, 09:02:13 AM
Ray I never ceased to be amazed when I wander around the rats nest!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :?


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: floydjer on February 26, 2010, 09:29:09 AM
Thanks for the pics., Ray......................(next 4-6 weeks @ indoor shows and Cobo isn`t one of them)????Maybe next year??


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Rick Byrnes on February 26, 2010, 09:39:33 AM
RTR call me
I'll be at Cobo all day today
313 3198544


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on March 06, 2010, 12:06:19 PM
I spose I otta mention that there's a new update on the liner build diary.  It's titled, "Canopy Opener and Shift Control Unit,"  both of which are pretty interesting.  The shift control unit was built by Les Davenport and is a pretty slick piece.
http://www.target550.com/gallery/28_Canopy%20Opener%20and%20Shift%20Control%20Unit/index.html (http://www.target550.com/gallery/28_Canopy%20Opener%20and%20Shift%20Control%20Unit/index.html)



Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: desotoman on March 16, 2010, 10:57:03 PM
There is a shifter control update on Target 550. You can see it at http://www.target550.com/gallery/29_shifter_control_unit/index.html

Tom G.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: maguromic on March 16, 2010, 11:30:05 PM
Has Marlo thought about replacing those plastic lines with steel braided?  I remember the last few years at Speed Week there was more than one car that broke those plastic lines or had them come off  on the air logic units.  Tony


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on March 21, 2010, 01:46:30 PM
I wish I could tell you something about the plastic lines and steel braiding, but I know this has been read by those in position to bring it up to the rest of the team.

Moving right along, this is what I just posted to a couple of other sites:

The Target 550 site has been updated again.  We try to do that every week, but this one got delayed a bit. 
Today's release is a bit of a look back over the project to the time when the wooden model was being built for the wind tunnel and hits a few more highlights...like the visit to the shop by the young women from a manufacturing class at Granite High in Seattle...and a bit about their story making the front page of the Everett, Wa newspaper.  Pretty kool.
[ur]http://www.target550.com/gallery/30_a_look_back/index.html[/url]


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Glen on March 21, 2010, 02:33:46 PM
Thanks for the updates Rat, you too Freud always great stuff. For the new people look up the web site and see eleven years of building a car for going after the world record. Great story.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on March 22, 2010, 11:15:10 AM
I'll make certain that the plastic tube issue is discussed.

Thanks for the "heads up."

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on March 22, 2010, 01:33:12 PM
This is Marlo's reply regarding the tubing:

The tubing is not plastic, it is Teflon and Les uses it on the dyno and on cars that he has had and worked on.  It comes from the oil fields there and I would agree, braided stainless would look better, but it has a neoprene lining that will not take as much heat as the Teflon.

I assure you, this will not be overlooked.  Thanks for taking our back.

FREUD



Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Glen on March 22, 2010, 01:49:54 PM
On the Vesco #444 streamliner we built a aluminum box to shield the air lines from the control to the trans. Everything we could shield is covered. Fire sleeves are used electrical and on other hoses etc. Everything we can protect with heat shields is added and the headers are wrapped. Know Marlo as the car nears that stage all of this will be covered in the final assembly.
:cheers:


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: SPARKY on March 22, 2010, 01:55:09 PM
When one starts to cheat the air flow the payback is lots of retained heat the we are the owner of fried plug wires in side duble insulation  this year due to header covers---lol  next year custom plug wires from up above for a try  :-D


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Glen on March 22, 2010, 06:11:54 PM
The exhaust headers are close to the fiberglass body and we have to protect it. There is still some air flow and we have fire sleeves on the plug wires as well.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on March 22, 2010, 08:04:57 PM
The exhaust pipes on Target550 are double walled and they exit thru aluminum.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: desotoman on March 23, 2010, 10:54:54 PM
The "News" section is now open.  Click "News" in the menu bar to read a message from Marlo.

http://www.target550.com/

Tom G.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: racergeo on March 24, 2010, 12:58:36 AM
  Real fun to read Marlo's thoughts and observations about saltflat racing. Many cool Marloisms!!


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Stainless1 on March 24, 2010, 10:18:37 AM
Very cool message from Marlo  8-)

and as usual the picture story is great. 
I had the privilege to see this work of art up close last year... WOW is an understatement!
Keep up the outstanding work guys, this will be something to see on the salt. 


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on March 24, 2010, 10:24:58 AM
I don't like the site.  I went for a quick look -- and ended up spending way too much time looking at only just a small fraction of the great photos and captions.

The site is a fine example of a "time sink" -- it'll absorb all of the time you care to devote to it -- and still ask for more.

Nice work, Marlo, Freud, and Ray.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on March 24, 2010, 10:36:36 AM
SSS, I've renewed your subscription to T and A Tats.

When the new issue arrives, you won't have to wander to bare steel and tubes.

You can concentrate on Bare Skin and Boobs.

FREUD



Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Stainless1 on March 24, 2010, 10:45:38 AM
fERd, he doesn't need a rag for that....
(did I write that down or just think it... dang tourette's)


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on March 24, 2010, 10:48:03 AM
Nice subtle little message there, Tom.  :)  Thanks for posting it.  I hope folks enjoy reading Marlo's thoughts on things.

I gotta get back to work on a seemingly endless number of photos to edit and get on my web site.  I'm workin on the stuff I shot last week in Pocatello, Id.  In about 10 days I'll head for Las Vegas to start another backlog at the Rockabilly Weekend.  What means retired???


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: desotoman on March 24, 2010, 07:23:00 PM

Nice subtle little message there, Tom.  :)  Thanks for posting it.  I hope folks enjoy reading Marlo's thoughts on things.


Ray,

I thought it was important for people to read what the owner of Project 550 has to say about his passion for Bonneville. So I switched it up a little to catch (hopefully more) peoples attention.

I would also like to Thank you and FrEuD for all you do to keep us informed on the progress of this amazing build.

Tom G.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on March 24, 2010, 09:29:51 PM
I'm so proud of the description that SSS gave of Target550.com and I was overjoyed that

he was able to do it without resorting to coprolalia.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: floydjer on March 24, 2010, 09:45:09 PM
I'm so proud of the description that SSS gave of Target550.com and I was overjoyed that

he was able to do it without resorting to coprolalia.

FREUD
He does get a tad loquacious


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on March 26, 2010, 10:24:42 AM
This week's update is available now: http://www.target550.com/gallery.htm (http://www.target550.com/gallery.htm)  It's the last entry on that page.  The new face is Dave Jeffers, a master machinist with a whole lotta experience. 

Other subjects covered are canopy components (NACA duct, latch, opening cylinder), preparation for running the air lines and the panel that will hold the liner's instrumentation. 

If you look at the t-shirt Dave's wearing in photo 10, you'll see a drawing of a tunnel entrance.  A closer look shows a light at the end of that tunnel.  (No, it's not a freight train.)  Things is gatherin momentum on its path toward some serious speed.



Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: sabat on March 26, 2010, 10:48:49 AM
Part of me wants to take a leave of absence and go sweep the floor at that shop for 6 months.

 :cheers:


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on March 26, 2010, 11:07:21 AM
Well, there was a loose nut behind the wheel and he kinda scrambled the order of the photos.  Uhhh...that loose nut would be me.  I fixed it...but it typifies the way my week has gone.

I'm sure glad I have a week off from shooting car shows.  I'm not sure that I'd be able to find my way home, even with my new GPS.



Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on March 26, 2010, 04:40:06 PM
The order of the fotos isn't as important as them being there.

Ray makes that possible.

THANX R T R

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: maguromic on March 26, 2010, 05:11:36 PM
 I think I became a loose nut after looking at the posts and pictures.  I never thought it was possible for mortals to build something with such perfection.  You and Freud please keep these great posts up!!!  Tony


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on March 26, 2010, 05:28:31 PM
Thanks Tony.

I don't think we will stumble soon. It's just way to exciting to see it develop.

Besides, I think it's my obligation to keep Ray off the streets. The way I

present the fotos to him requires his total dedication to make 'em look good.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on March 26, 2010, 11:39:29 PM
In the target550.com post from yesterday  was a reference to the girls from Granite Falls, WA Manufacturing class.

They designed and built a car for the Shell Oil Eco  Marathon.

Here's the link to the Shell Co site regarding the event.

http://www.shell.com/home/content/ecomarathon/americas/students/team/

Have a look. They came to Hume's shop a while back and were genuinely interested in the project.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on March 27, 2010, 11:28:16 AM
Since the url Freud posted points to a frames-based site, it requires a little digging to get to the Granite Falls team's page.  So here's the link that goes directly to that page with info on the team.
http://ecomarathon.shell.com/americas/team/200 (http://ecomarathon.shell.com/americas/team/200)




Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on March 27, 2010, 03:15:48 PM
R t R gave the Mens car info.

Here is the correct site for the ladies:

http://ecomarathon.shell.com/americas/team/41


FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on March 27, 2010, 05:08:46 PM
Oops!


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: interested bystander on March 28, 2010, 06:00:39 PM
Thanx for the forward on the Shell event.

Growing up (age wise, anyway) we all new about the MOBILGAS Economy Runs but never heard of the Shell activities. As a person involved with Formula SAE, I encourage scholastic involvment in such. Neat deal.

On a semi personal note we watched yer buddy Stan Beck fire up the roadster with the 50 hp injector fix Friday, (It turned into a wine tasting event, too) Sounded sweet!


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on March 28, 2010, 06:29:46 PM
Thanks bystander.  He warned me that he planned to ignite the remnants of the record holder and to light a candle if

I saw a glow to the South.

He didn't want me to confuse the San Bernardino rubbish burn with a cooked roadster.

Don't be offended if the information and guidance that you attempted to pass on to him fell on deaf ears. He's been slipping that

way recently. Actually it's just paint in his ears from painting the stare case.

I had no idea that it was possible to describe wine as a sound.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on March 30, 2010, 11:03:42 AM
Our morning newspaper had another story about the Shop Girls and Iron Maiden.

They did achieve 470 MPG of diesel.

Here's the link:

http://www.heraldnet.com/article/20100330/NEWS01/703309890#Granite.Falls.ShopGirls.car.makes.470.mpg

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: landsendlynda on March 30, 2010, 12:28:43 PM
Congratulations to both teams for such a huge endeavor!!  I hope they will continue their interests and maybe we'll see them on the salt with a whole new dream!!!

Lynda


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Schruiber on March 30, 2010, 10:18:59 PM
Hi Y'all, just back from Houston and an experience extraordinaire for both teams.  After late night repairs and problem solving both cars ran quite well by Saturday. Lots of good things are already coming from it - an invitation to the Paccar test track open house where we will display our cars next to formula SAE cars and of course large trucks.  This is exposing the students, both boys and girls to the real world and allows them to make connections.

Thank you Freud for posting our story on LSR - stop by at our shop anytime (well, we are on Springbreak this week)  attached pictures shows the Target550 sticker on the back of our Urban Concept car and the girl's prototype "streamliner" and members.

As to Lynda's dream suggestion - the whole thing actually started with a trip to World of Speed 08 and the idea to build a little K/DS:) It's been quite a challenge to get this eco car project going in a public High School so we shall build on it to get to LSR over time.

Michael (their ...........Industrial Arts Teacher:)


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on March 31, 2010, 10:18:09 AM
Thanks Shop Girls and Michael.  Ya, the Men also. We just haven't met them.

We are pleased to have a Target550 sticker in Houston with you.

I'll be seeing you one of these times soon.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on April 03, 2010, 08:32:00 AM
It's update time again.  This week we have photos that cover a few different subjects: A "Power Lunch" at the Acme Cafe, some changes made to the canopy latch, work on the rear wheel enclosures and a coupla shots of the team t-shirts (which is really kool.)

There's also some info on the "News" page about two of the newer team members both of whom are working on the  liner at Jim Hume's shop.

Enjoy,


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: desotoman on April 03, 2010, 01:29:08 PM
Thanks Ray, looking good.

Tom G.

http://www.target550.com/gallery/32_lunch_canopy_wheel_enclosures_and_shirts/index.html


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on April 11, 2010, 09:48:28 AM
It's that time again.  There's a new update on the server:

http://www.target550.com/gallery/33_wheel_%20enclosures_ducting_and_instrument_panel/index.html (http://www.target550.com/gallery/33_wheel_%20enclosures_ducting_and_instrument_panel/index.html)

While all of Freud's shots are great, I found those that ducting and plenum between the blower and intake manifold to be an indication that the light at the end of the tunnel is getting closer and brighter.

Enjoy,


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on April 11, 2010, 12:47:58 PM
R t R is delusional.

He doesn't know that progress is slow until we find a great colorful

blanket for the cockpit seat.

The first one came with 10 counterfit Green Cards stashed inside.

FREUD



Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on April 11, 2010, 03:04:15 PM
Delusional?  That's not what the voices tell me!

I think I have some of the Mexican blanket material I used to cover Rufus' seat:
(http://www.chevyasylum.com/29modela/29modela_0207r8.jpg)

Problem is...well, it's lacking in those "extra items."  But who's counting.

As long as I'm typing, I'll mention that yesterday, as I came home from the track, both cameras (40D and 7D) were baptized in Coca-Cola when the bottom of a drink cup just up and fell out, drenching both the 40D and the 7D.  Do I know how to have fun or what?

I spent a long time cleaning both of 'em.  I also had to remove the clock (CMOS) battery and let 'em sit for a coupla hours before either one showed signs of life.  But as of noon o'clock Sunday, both of 'em are working at about 95 percent.  I still need to work with both of 'em a bit more before I feel all warm and fuzzy about 'em (hell, I could feel that way by wrapping myself in summa that upholstery material and then "soiling my dainties" so to speak.

Then I had a toilet (speakin of soiling one's dainties) decide that it didn't wanna shut off.  As a result, I had water coming thru the ceiling of my studio room.  I think I've taken care of most of that without any structural damage (I was able to drain it by lancing the bubble that was forming and getting the water out quickly.)  Time will tell on that one.

There were several other little "shoot yerself in the foot" deals to the point where I started wondering if someone was trying to tell me something.  As a result of some prayer and mediation about that, I decided to stay home from the track and try to catch up on other stuff.  Good thing.  The wind is trying to relocate Tooele, Utah to southern Idaho.  According to one of the other "usual suspect" track photogs at Miller's, the wind is so bad at the track that he can't even hold the camera still enough to get more than a coupla lucky shots now and then.  It's the Ferrari Challenge (one of only 2 stops in the US thid year) and I really wanted to get some shots of the Ferrari 599 GTBs, since I didn't see 'em run yesterday.  However, I think discretion is the better part of valor today.  I've got enough half-finished projects that it would be nice to get one or two of 'em wrapped up.

I'm gonna post a few shots from yesterday in the appropriate group.  In the meantime, Doc...those voices keep tellin me that not only am I not delusional but that I need more tinfoil in my hat.  There's a project I can handle.



Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on April 18, 2010, 12:18:55 AM
Well I finally got the lead part way out and sent a new post to Ray for the Target550.com site.

The air distribution ducts from the Whipple Chargers have been welded and machined so they have flat gasket surfaces.

The plenums are being worked on this week. Jim has done the internal welding and they are ready for surfacing.

Another cute arm has been fabricated and attached. It acts as a support when the canopy is open but it has

the double duty of cushioning the opening of the canopy so it doesn't waltz back and forth when the slave cyl

opens it.

Have fun looking. It's enjoyable to see the progress now. Dave Jeffers and Jason Hosking have added

so much since they have come onboard.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: maguromic on April 18, 2010, 12:31:15 AM

Another cute arm has been fabricated and attached.

FREUD

Frued, Your getting soft.   :-P  Thanks for keeping the posts up. Its always a learning experience to go through the site.  Tony


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on April 18, 2010, 10:37:13 PM
A learning experience would be walking behind those hard bodies in your avatar.

Are they your daughters, your wife and two ex's or the girls at the car wash?

I observed similar scenes on the grid at the Gran Prix Motorcycle races in Europe.

Maybe you accomplished a green card for some of those hotties.

And u chose a time like this to describe me as a softie.

The truth hurts.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on April 23, 2010, 03:03:20 PM
It's update time again and Freud has provided us with a very kool section (largest one so far) that shows how some of the body panels were fabricated at Steve's Auto Restoration in Portland, Or:

http://www.target550.com/gallery/35_steve%27s_auto_restoration_panel_fabricating_and_employees/index.html (http://www.target550.com/gallery/35_steve%27s_auto_restoration_panel_fabricating_and_employees/index.html)

I'm attaching a coupla sample shots from today's update...and then I gotta catch up on some sleep.



Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Glen on April 23, 2010, 08:30:42 PM
Awesome stuff, thanks for the weekly updates.
 :cheers:


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on April 23, 2010, 09:57:49 PM
I think I can speak for Freud and say that it's our pleasure to be able to be part of the team and to bring these photos to the web.  It's all building momentum toward its assault on the record.  I dunno about others, but I can hardly wait see this happen.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Bville701 on April 23, 2010, 10:36:32 PM
GREAT stuff!!!!    :cheers:


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: joea on April 23, 2010, 11:14:52 PM
i just want to see the movie.....when it is being filmed....

Joe


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on April 23, 2010, 11:24:15 PM
Hmmm..."World's Fastest DeSoto?"  :)


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on April 24, 2010, 11:20:05 AM
I've been in So. Cal the past week. So I went to the archives and brought the images with me to make this recent post. This electronic age makes it

possible but the electronic, substitute computer age for electronic,  has very little influence on this build. There is nothing electronic about the YODER.

There's no CNC milling machine, the lathe is old and small. The knowledge is best described as "old school" but I imagine it's OK to

describe Leonardo DeVinci as old school and he left a great body of work behind.

So continue to stop in and follow the progress on www.Target550.com. I don't post as much on Landracing.com because Target550.com eats up

so many more images than i posted in the past, that my posts here would be redundant.  But you notice that we don't leave this site totally

behind. It's where we first posted and the information will always be linked.

Thanks to Ray Therat for his knowledge, support and tolerance.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on April 30, 2010, 12:36:36 PM
I had to pull myself away from the tanning bed long enough to post an update on the build of the 'liner in Target550.com.

One part I really like is the platform that they built to make it easier to work on the area behind the rear

wheels. The fairings that trail the rear wheels will be formed in aluminum and used as the pattern to make

carbon fiber duplicates. The front ones have been done for a long time and they are shown in Target550.com,

post of March 21, 2010, images 30_14, 30_15, qnd 30_16.

There's a lot happening. Follow along with us on this ride.

FREUD



Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on May 08, 2010, 05:34:03 PM
There is a new post on TARGET550.com. It relates to the firewall and the water tanks.

The area of progress this week has been the fabrication of the front firewall. The retainer bolt for the rear water tank

passes through an ear on the corner of the hold down.  That bolt will be in the forward compartment and ahead of the firewall.

The only place that the firewall can fit is behind the bolt, so a hole was cut in the firewall and there will be a blister over

the nut on the stud. Access will be from the back side. Dave is checking the positioning of the front compartment water tanks

to be certain that the heating elements can be installed and still have enough room for the electrical connection. Since the water

will be heated with the top body panel raised, they do not have to put a hole in the skin to access the terminal.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on May 14, 2010, 03:03:19 AM
There's new news on the http://www.target550.com/news.html (http://www.target550.com/news.html) Target 550 web site. 

A void in the team structure was identified and steps to fill it have been taken. 

An Official Press Vehicle has been identified and plans are afoot to get the selected vehicle through "finishing school."

Click the link to "read all about it."




Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: SPARKY on May 14, 2010, 08:40:30 AM
Did they agree to provide Ruffus with his own personal umbrella or is that the job of the "good Dr."--providing some bikini clad "UP" -- umbrella provider?  :evil:


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on May 14, 2010, 11:01:36 AM
LOL!  At least for the cab the working notion is to use the same sorta canvas or tan denim material that's used for Dickie's shop overalls.  I guess the hot and cold running bikinis will have to come later.  :)



Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on May 15, 2010, 01:04:34 PM
If enough ladies remove their bikinis and offer them as "top material" sic, the roofing plan can be revised.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on May 21, 2010, 02:17:49 PM
The Rat came outta hiding long enough to post a few shots on the website today.  They're mostly a detail study of the welding that's been done at various places on the car.  One of 'em's attached.

I was struck by the symmetry of the beads and once again, the level of craftsmanship that's going into the liner...down to the smallest details. 

I hope you enjoy lookin at 'em as much as I did.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on May 21, 2010, 04:28:05 PM
Thanks Rat.

www.target550.com also Thanks You.

derFREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on May 22, 2010, 09:33:33 AM
Oh, yeah.  I guess I coulda included the url, huh?

Must be all the rat poison in the air.  :)



Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on May 22, 2010, 07:56:34 PM
For those who haven't seen the video interviews with Freud asking the questions and Jim Hume (the master craftsman behind the construction) answering 'em, I made a page with links to the YouTube videos:
http://www.target550.com/gallery/41_hume_video_interviews/index.html (http://www.target550.com/gallery/41_hume_video_interviews/index.html)

They give a pretty good explanation of a lotta things that might not otherwise be apparent.

Hope you enjoy 'em.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on May 28, 2010, 04:38:33 PM
It's that time again.  Doc Freud has provided us with some "potpourri" in the form of photos covering several different areas of the car.  My favorite is this one:
(http://www.target550.com/gallery/42_Potpourri/042_21.jpg)

I think it's because as Freud wrote in the thumbnail caption, "It's coming together."  With every new update it seems like my heart beats a little faster (maybe I otta take a beta blocker or something.  ;) ) as the light at the end of the tunnel in my mind becomes a little brighter.

http://www.target550.com (http://www.target550.com)  Click on "Pictures" and see the latest (at the bottom) or scroll down on the main page and click on the May 28 post.

Check 'em out.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on June 05, 2010, 06:55:19 PM
Ray Therat has lost his head and went to the Big Daddy Ed Roth Reunion in Mantee, Utah.

That means there will be a slight delay in the posting for this week.

First he has to get home.

Next he has a foto job to shoot at Millers racetrack.

Then he has to  clear his head to be able to get organized.

Then, probably Sunday morning, he will make the post.

Had I known that the Roth Reunion was this week I probably would have gone and

not even have sent him the images.

Roth would have been glad to see old Dockie Doo.  I loved that man.

www.target550.com

FREUD




Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: landsendlynda on June 05, 2010, 07:15:19 PM
Ray Therat has lost his head and went to the Big Daddy Ed Roth Reunion in Mantee, Utah.

FREUD




That would be Manti, Utah Glenn!!!  :roll:

Lynda


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on June 05, 2010, 07:19:36 PM
Bleeve it or not, I'm piggy-backed on a wifi net at the Roth homestead.

I'm workin on the update as prints are spewing outta the printer in the back of my Burb.

I'll have the update done by tonite.

It's done.  http://www.target550.com/gallery/43_Canopy%20Shock,%20Burst%20Director,%20Water%20Tank%20Modification,%20Orville%20and%20Wilbur/index.html (http://www.target550.com/gallery/43_Canopy%20Shock,%20Burst%20Director,%20Water%20Tank%20Modification,%20Orville%20and%20Wilbur/index.html)

Here's the banner on the museum/convention center...film at 11, incriminating evidence to follow.

Back to work on the incriminating evidence.



Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on June 10, 2010, 10:53:27 AM
Lynda, AOL spellchecker lead me to the wrong place. I'll send them a correction.

Besides, Ray's home now and even if I go to the correct place, he won't be there.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on June 10, 2010, 10:57:41 AM
Have a look.......


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on June 11, 2010, 02:11:33 PM
A new post on www.target550.com has been posted.

It relates to the assembly of the recently painted and anodized body structure, the belly pan panels that

allow access to the oil pans and Prairie, the head dog of security. Apparently he has sniffed out a possible

terrorist lurking in the corner.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on June 18, 2010, 09:11:51 PM
Another week has passed by and the guys have been hard at work on the Target 550 liner project.  I find myself saying this every week, but I'm blown away every time I see a new set of photos that Freud shoots and prepares. 

Case in point: one of the sections of this week's post show bearing surface pillow blocks and bearing inserts (made from Delrin or Teflon or some self-lubricating, high temperature-resistant plastic) for the rods that fasten and release the catches for the body panels.  I've attached one of the photos from the web site and Freud may post a couple more.  These blocks and inserts are (once again) works of art and something I never would have thought of doing.  I asked where the oil lines and dry sump tank were gonna be.  Well, that's a little over the top but when ya see this you might ask yerself the same thing...any system with matched blocks and bearing surface inserts deserves a full pressure oiling system, right?

And then there's the little catches for the retainer bolts on the wheel enclosures...and on and on...

Anyway, just more great stuff from Hume's shop...with a coupla hints and more good stuff to come.

Enjoy,


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: desotoman on June 18, 2010, 09:41:01 PM
Ray,

Thanks for posting the pictures, and to Freud for taking the pictures and adding the commentary.

Tom G.


http://www.target550.com/gallery/45_anodized_brackets_finished_cowl_misc_parts/index.html


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on June 20, 2010, 11:39:53 AM
There is a glitch in my most recent posting on www.target550.com and it will be corrected Monday.

Late night hours show up as oversights. It all started with a spelling error.

There will be a new image added that relates to the wheel cover retainers.

Thanks for your continued interest in this build.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on June 20, 2010, 03:05:28 PM
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Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: charlie101 on June 22, 2010, 04:49:07 PM
It taken me 3 days to go thru all and every picture on the target 550 site and it's just poetry in metal! There's not words enough. I consider myself fortunate to be able to follow a build like this. The sustained dedication to detail of all in the constructing and fabrication crew is, what to say, humbling to a cobbler as I am. My regards must go not the least to the photographer that keeps focused to the fine aspects inspite the overwhelming numbers of details and length of project. The undertext is equally important as well, to explain what is shown and whats going on in the build. A simple thank you sounds feeble.   


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on June 22, 2010, 05:32:10 PM
Thanks for the kind words, Charlie.  I feel the same way when I see the photos and post 'em on the website.  The guys who are building the liner are, in my eyes, fine artists who just happen to be using race car materials to create their art. 

I know Freud will convey your nice comments to Jim, Jason and Dave...and everybody else who's had a hand in the construction. 


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Glen on June 22, 2010, 05:45:58 PM
Jim Hume is an artist in other areas as well and all of his work is awesome.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on June 23, 2010, 11:01:55 AM
Charlie and all the others.....................

I generally go to Hume's on Tuesday and stop  before I get there for our "Board Meeting" that I
share with some gear heads. When I get to Hume's place I look at the car to see what has changed.
Sometimes there seems like a lot to shoot. Other times the progress is slow and I have to search
for a story.
Right now Jason has small tasks that he is doing and Dave is removing parts that will go to be
powder coated. With the tanks out of the chassis, it opens up areas that haven't seen light for a few years. This gives me the opportunity to show views from the past. I'll go to the powder coaters with the parts before long.
Jim was working on the fire extinguisher access doors for the back engine. They have been anodized, reassembled and reinstalled.
Marlo will be up from Oregon today. I'll go back to Hume's with him this AM. So our post this week will include the fasteners for the wheel covers, the coupler on the segmented driveshaft, the belt drive for power from the drive shaft to the center section, and modifications to the torque tube.

We want to THANK all of you for your interest in the project. On www.target550.com, in a month we have viewers in 25 - 27 countries. Since January of this year we have had 900,000 hits on the site. Apparently, the effort on this end and the magnificent guidance and assistance from Ray the Rat is being noticed.

THANX again,

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: SPARKY on June 23, 2010, 12:13:01 PM
a few more comments like that and he may not be able to get his eyes to focus or he will get a crick in his neck  from trying to lie down at night  :-D


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on June 24, 2010, 12:52:27 AM
The Rat and Marlo made this a marvelous day for me.

They delivered Rufus.

Go to the news section of www.target550.com to meet Rufus.

My wife is no where as excited about Rufus as am I.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on June 24, 2010, 12:54:01 AM
There's a little bit of news on the Official Press Vehicle for the Target 500 team.  I'm in Seattle and...well, you could sorta say that Marlo and I have been conspiring to provide a surprise for Freud.  We pulled it off today.  I flew in (and boy are my arms...oh, never mind) and met Marlo and Dick Milne who had ol Rufus, my Model A pickup on a trailer...and things just worked out so that we were at Freud's place with it when he drove up.  You might say that he was caught off guard:

(http://www.target550.com/picts/02010623_025r8.jpg)

Then he sorta came unglued when he saw Rufus with the official team lettering on it:

(http://www.target550.com/picts/02010623_033r8.jpg)

After the hootin and hollerin settled down to a mild roar, we took a bit of a trip to Jim Hume's shop where we caught Hume along with Dave and Jason hard at work.  We put a screechin halt to that.  I got a lotta photos...and also got totally exhausted.  But I lived to tell about it and after a little work on Doc's computer, I'm headin for bed.

It was a pretty kool day.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: desotoman on June 24, 2010, 03:22:40 PM
Ray,

How cool is that? Very cool indeed. Has Freud's feet touched the ground yet? Or is he still on cloud 550?
Glad you and Marlo with the help of Dick could pull a fast one on the Master.

Congratulations to all involved.

Tom G.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Geo on June 24, 2010, 04:24:41 PM
It put a smile on my face, just seeing the smile on his face!  :-D

Way to go guys.

Geo


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Stan Back on June 24, 2010, 05:08:25 PM
I think I detected some ocular moisture -- which would be real unusual for the old fart.

Stan Back


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: theazoldcrow on June 24, 2010, 06:13:15 PM
 :? :? :? :- :?o    THAT's a smile ?????????    Yoweeeee!


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on June 24, 2010, 11:42:22 PM
OK everyone.........................

get your digs in on me now. I may not be very accessible for a while, now that I got wheels.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: desotoman on June 24, 2010, 11:50:11 PM
Doc,

What happened to the Moon Discs that were on Rufus?

Tom G.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on June 25, 2010, 12:18:10 AM
Doc,

What happened to the Moon Discs that were on Rufus?

Tom G.

I still got 'em.  They were a gift from a very special (deceased) friend (Ken Boyd, for any Aston Martin fanatics who might know the name.)  I can't bring myself to give 'em up.

Doc came to visit me at my motel since I gotta leave early...very early.  I can't begin to express my thanks to him for his tutelage in photography as well as his ever-to-be-cherished friendship.  Brett Kepner put it very well at tho 2010 NW Reunion: "Bonneville means Love."  Simple as that.  

I know this is a repeat, but I feel very, very blessed to have such wonderful friends in my life.  Besides...it's not everyday that ya get to hug a dear friend as he's sobbing with joy and emotion.  Made me pretty damned misty-eyed, too.

Ray the (sentimental) Rat

ps.  Spent most of the day at the Museum of Flight.  Toadly Ossum.  I've got some photos that are going on FaceBook but I'll preview a couple here.

First a MIG-17, then an overhead shot of the WWII fighter exhibit (hand-held at 1/2 second shutter speed) then a German dive-bomber (I think it's a Messerschmitt) and a Goodyear (!?!) FG-1D Corsair...all shot hand-held with available light.  I never would have been able to get these shots without Freud's mentoring.



Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on June 25, 2010, 11:19:28 AM
Believe me, the Rat is eminentally capable of shooting those images w/o my advice.

All I said was, "You don't have much time. Look at the airplanes, not the women."

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: SPARKY on June 25, 2010, 12:24:42 PM
I find that hard to belive  :-o


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on June 25, 2010, 07:39:41 PM
A great day at Hume's shop today. Les Davenport dropped in for a visit and to accomplish a few things.

The foam mold for the drivers seat was blown, a discussion about the high speed parachutes, measurements of the canopy and it's frame so it can be transported to Les' shop prior to the forming of the windshield and lunch at the ACME Cafe.

Jason left early to go to Seattle where he will run the Rock and Roll Marathon tomorrow.

It was a diversified day but most enjoyable.

My computer may be back from the hospital tomorrow. If so, some of to days images will be

posted.

Film at `11.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on June 25, 2010, 09:49:59 PM
Ray Therat has struck. He explained how Rufus arrived at my house.

Check it out :  http://www.target550.com/gallery/46_rufus_the_new_press_truck/index.html

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: SPARKY on June 25, 2010, 11:57:40 PM
LIFE is usually only as good as your friends  I feel priviledged to know you 2  :cheers:


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Peter Jack on June 26, 2010, 12:50:02 AM
It's pretty obvious that Rufus is where he belongs. Well done guys!!! :-D :-D :-D :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

Pete


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on July 03, 2010, 12:35:05 AM
Todays post on www.target550.com shows the entire length of the car without body panels.

It should allow you to have an idea of the relationship of the drive elements, the cockpit

area and the tail section.

Enjoy........and HAPPY JULY 4th

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Peter Jack on July 03, 2010, 01:25:21 AM
Good work as usual Freud. That makes everything absolutely clear. Your documentation has truly added to the project. :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

Pete


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on July 03, 2010, 01:43:38 AM
I'll add a +1 to yer comment, Pete.  That series really put things into perspective with regard to how it all fits together from the front to the back.

I know there have been a lotta build diaries done, but I wonder if there's been one that's as detailed and as regularly updated as this one.  This has been a long project (well before I came on board) and there are still some things yet to be divulged, but it seems to go a lot further than most diaries.  Meh.  I could just be typing in my sleep, too.  Yonder bed beckons.  I must answer the siren's call. 

G'nite



Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on July 03, 2010, 11:17:30 AM
It is a distinct pleasure to present this diary. One thing I have noticed is how thrilled Hume is to have

Jason Hosking and Dave Jeffers working with him. If their frequent chat sessions could be filmed, it would be

a 5th year college level course. With the input of three people, tough problems seem to rapidly melt away.

Marlo, Jim and Les are all anxious for this to be completed but only at the level of quality that has been held

since day one. At times my distorted view is that Hume doesn't really care if it's ever completed. Where else is

he going to be presented with a project like this?

Over and over I recall the prophetic words of Rex Schimmer:

" Ever notice that as you seem to be getting closer to being done
 the list of "details" just keeps getting longer! "

Stainless says if the build is going too fast, just raise the quality.

Marlo and Hume will likely wash out my mouth with FELS NAPTHA soap for this post, but they will have to

pull me out from under Rufus to do it.

Film at 11.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Glen on July 03, 2010, 11:25:02 AM
Did anyone notice that all of the photos on project 550 had to be water marked. Seems as FR decided to use them on another site. This is normal for him to use other peoples work and brag about how great he is, of course that's his opinion. In most case's most people will send you copies of their photos just for asking. In his case he just steals them and posts them where ever he wants. It does no good to ask him to stop or remove you from his e-mail list. I hope all of you block him and not reply to his rants.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on July 03, 2010, 11:29:01 AM
Glen, you are absolutely correct. It added another step to Ray's work.

He's busy enough that he didn't need any other steps in the posting but he is always there

with the answers.


FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Glen on July 03, 2010, 11:31:35 AM
BTW, he just posted a picture of Cajun Kids interior regarding SCTA and lack of rules for leg box's. BTW, it is on the land-speed auto-x site. Just thought you all would like to know what he is doing.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on July 03, 2010, 12:04:53 PM
Well, FR was the original reason for doing the watermarks.  He didn't actually "steal" any images from us, but I thought it prudent to add 'em.  Just like locks, they keep honest people honest....nothing more.

It doesn't take too much longer to add 'em.  I just load all the images into PSP and run a watermarking script I wrote and save 'em.  Not too bad.

I've been out working on the Burb's A/C clutch and belt idler pulleys.  They were making an awful racket when first started up.  I think I got that done.  

Yesterday I shot a whole buncha photos at a car show (one of the bigger ones in state) and I gotta get 'em edited before I start shooting the ALMS race at Miller's on Thursday. I better get to work.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on July 10, 2010, 10:49:50 PM
I just posted an update to the Target550 web site:
http://www.target550.com/gallery/48_several_different_areas_of_work/index.html (http://www.target550.com/gallery/48_several_different_areas_of_work/index.html)

In this one, driver Les Davenport gets fitted for seat belts, etc and a seat insert is made.  There's also some work on the shifter module and the front torque tube.

I gotta make it short, so I'm outta here.

Enjoy,



Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on July 16, 2010, 09:15:42 AM
It's Friday again.  Where did the week go?  Anyway, that means it's time for another Target 550 update:
http://www.target550.com/gallery/49_instrument_panel_and_riveting_etc/index.html (http://www.target550.com/gallery/49_instrument_panel_and_riveting_etc/index.html)

The first photo alone is worth the price of admission.  It shows the engine-turned instrument panel and explains many of the controls.  Some panel riveting work is shown and there are some photos of anodizing work done by Production Plating, Inc, in Mukilteo, Wa.  Real nice work.  But my favorite is still the instrument panel.  As Freud wrote, that prepares it for the concours d'elegance. 

Enjoy,


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: maguromic on July 16, 2010, 09:25:35 AM
Watching this build is like watching a modern day Michelangelo at work.  Thanks for keeping the updates going. Tony


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on July 16, 2010, 11:04:12 AM
Thanks Maggy

It is a pleasure to do it and I'm happy that it is enjoyed.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: desotoman on July 16, 2010, 11:48:35 AM


As Freud wrote, that prepares it for the concours d'elegance. 


Ray,

Was this a Freudian slip, or a hint of thing to come?

Tom G.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on July 16, 2010, 11:59:01 AM
Y E S, Desotoman.

FREUD



Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on July 16, 2010, 12:08:14 PM
Well, it'd almost have to be Freudian, since he wrote it.  :)



Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Schruiber on July 17, 2010, 09:34:24 AM
Freud, my students and I can learn a lot from your level of documentation - I always enjoy seeing all the details of this marvel car.  I attached a photo of HS Junior James Vest "Bugatti Swirling" (for lack of a better word) the instrument panel for our Urban Concept (the boys') car. Of course they wanted to use alu diamond plate  :-D.  Looking foward to have us come and visit again later this year.

Michael

see more at  http://live.gfalls.wednet.edu/ecoteam/



Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on July 19, 2010, 12:00:54 AM
Ossum, Micheal.  Kool shot of young Master Vest engine-turning the panel.  Looks like he's doing a super job.

Just as you're following us, we're following you.  Keep up the good work.  Both teams have my respect and admiration.  Not bad for a rat, huh?  :)


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on July 22, 2010, 05:58:26 PM
The Northwest Deuce Days was held in Victoria, BC, Canada July 17-18. They had over 900 entries and 85 were from California.

As some of the people were headed south to the Goodguys Puyallup, Washington weekend, they were invited to tour

Jim Hume's shop.  There was more than a little LSR experience in the group and included a few red hats and a batch of current

records. They were a fun bunch to share with.

Keep clicking on the foto. It gets larger.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: dw230 on July 22, 2010, 09:14:07 PM
Now I know why Tom Walsh has not called me. I hope he is in a good stopping point with the streamliner he is working on.

DW


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on July 23, 2010, 10:37:59 AM
No reason for him to call you Dan. He didn't have any beer.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on July 23, 2010, 12:46:06 PM
Ray just posted a new group of fotos on www.target550.com.

It also included the group foto of the touring roadster boys (and Ladies) with a wanna' be roadster, in coupe

form, leading the way.

They left their steeds long enough to eye ball the 'liner, but not long enough to remove their winter coats

that are required to survive the freezing Canadian summer.

Here is their Fearless Leader. He has skilled mechanics following him.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: 55chevr on July 23, 2010, 08:23:47 PM
Just for political correctness, the machinist term for the decorative swirls on aluminum is "Engine Turning".


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on July 24, 2010, 12:31:13 AM
Coming from Switzerland, he may have a different set of descriptive words.

They aren't saddled with our stupid Potitical Correctness.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Schruiber on July 24, 2010, 10:27:34 AM
Dang...........and I thought using a PC to type would do the trick :-)   yet now I learned the proper words for it, thank you.  Even tough my native language is (Swiss)-German we use the French "Tour a Guilloche".

Michael


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on July 30, 2010, 10:37:44 PM
It's Friday and we have an update.  Late Friday, but still Friday (most places.)

This week's update covers a lot of different areas...more instrument panel work, engine attachment plate, steering wheel, controllers and probably one of the more complex parts of the skin, the piece that joins the main section and the tail, with provisions for the speed brake. 

http://www.target550.com/gallery/51_many_different_areas_of_progress/index.html (http://www.target550.com/gallery/51_many_different_areas_of_progress/index.html)

Enjoy,


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: SPARKY on July 31, 2010, 10:14:28 AM
I was gratified to see that I have tried to develops some of their skills IE ratchet strap and wood blocks  :-D


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: doug odom on July 31, 2010, 11:10:18 AM
Sparky, When I see them rolling around on a carpet with two nitrogen bottles, a couple straps and a come along I'll know they have entered my world.   LOL


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on August 06, 2010, 10:46:41 AM
Ray has already posted the new images on Treits car. www.target550.com

http://www.target550.com/gallery/52_the_skin_and_small_parts/index.html

For a while, there will be a lot of emphasis on the tail section skin.

We should have build fotos next week but Speed Week may be slightly different.

Thanks for your interest.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on August 06, 2010, 11:40:59 AM
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Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Rex Schimmer on August 06, 2010, 01:15:46 PM
As usual I look at this build and recognize all of the engineering and design decisions that have had to be made to get to the point it is at now and all of the details that will have to be worked out in the future to get it finished and my mind is absolutely boggled!!
The drive and tenacity of the people involved with this project is unbelievable!
Rex


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: desotoman on August 06, 2010, 01:40:39 PM
Once again I would like to thank Freud and Ray for their time and effort involved in bringing all of us this fantastic build. The documentation of this build is beyond what I ever imagined. I hope for everyone involved with this project, that their dream's come true. You all deserve it.

Tom G.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on August 06, 2010, 11:27:50 PM
All of us that are involved with it THANK EVERYONE for your support.

It is coming together and for that we are overjoyed.

For Marlo, Hume, Dave Jeffers and Jason Hosking, again I say THANX.

To Ray I say......Don't u have any setbacks.

The info would never get presented w/o Ray Therat.

FREUD



Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: fredvance on August 07, 2010, 11:51:57 AM
I know it probably says in 10 different places but, When is the expected date for completion and first runs??

  Fred


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: SPARKY on August 07, 2010, 01:53:01 PM
When it is finished perfectly  :cheers:


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: fredvance on August 07, 2010, 03:27:47 PM
I knew that. :roll: I was looking for a date/year!! :? :?


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: SPARKY on August 07, 2010, 03:47:46 PM
I doubt that Humme will work with or under a target date --- I feel pretty sure it will be finished when he thinks it is


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: desotoman on August 07, 2010, 04:00:39 PM
"how long till the car will be run. is there a target date."



RACEFAN......

Listen to the tail end of the third video.

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSmYKObDhbg

FREUD


therein lies the answer.

Tom G.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Rex Schimmer on August 08, 2010, 02:09:22 PM
I honestly don't think that we will see this car turn a wheel in anger for at least 2-3 years. When you consider the level of craftsmanship and the amount of things to remaining to do, I think that 2-3 years could be optimistic. Once they are done with all of the fabrication and body work the car has to come completely appart and then everything is going to get painted, coated, plated or what ever coating that Hume decides the part should be covered with and then it has to be re-assembled and then wired and plumbed, and this assumes that the engine program is running in parallel with the car build. A car that is this sophistacated  and crewed by the level of people that are involved with it,  will have a very long and extensive testing period.

I am as anxious as everyone to see this car turn a wheel but when it does I know it will be right and fast.

Rex


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on August 08, 2010, 03:42:10 PM
Thanks Tom, Rex and Sparky for your replys.

The people that have the least invested in the program demand more answers than the one paying the bill.

Rex, you hit it perfectly.  It still has to come completely apart before it ever fires.

The engines are developed.  Before long they will be on the dyno but there is no need for them today.

The dummy engines are serving their purpose.

FREUD



Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: PorkPie on August 08, 2010, 03:51:42 PM
The answer when Marlo's Dreamliner will be ready to go...is the same as a Indian said to me at the Crazy Horse Monument in Dakota (when I asked him...when it will be finish)......

"it is finish..when it's finish"


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on August 16, 2010, 11:18:10 PM
Please accept my apologies.  I should have had last Friday's update posted on Friday.  Freud had the images ready for me early in the week and I'd prepared most of the web pages.  But I got caught up in the Speed Week thing and I actually forgot what day it was and then just spaced it.  So color me sun-stroked.

However, all is not lost.  I got the stuff posted tonite.  I only gave it a cursory check, so there may be an error or two.  Sitting here at Camp Rat with the wind intimating that it might send me and the tent to East Overshoe, Wyoming I finally got it done:
http://www.target550.com/gallery/53_pump_mount_steering_wheel_and_rear_skin/index.html (http://www.target550.com/gallery/53_pump_mount_steering_wheel_and_rear_skin/index.html)

I'm just gonna leave it at that cuz I have another post to finish on the Speed Week thread.

Hope y'all enjoy and once again, I apologize for not having it done last Friday.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Peter Jack on August 17, 2010, 12:11:47 AM
Looks good as usual Ray and we're all excited enough about Speedweek that we didn't notice the omission either. :-D :-D :-D

Pete

PS: Thanks for the great coverage as usual and pass the thanks on to Jon as well.

PJ


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: desotoman on August 19, 2010, 08:23:48 PM
Ray and Freud,

When will you be home from Bonneville?

Tom G.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on August 19, 2010, 08:33:13 PM
 I'm home. 17:01 Thursday. This is the first time I have been on the Internet since July 12.

Ray will probably leave for home Friday afternoon.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on August 22, 2010, 12:12:02 AM
I'll have new images to Ray Therat in a day or so.

The B'ville Itch has been satisfied until the next trip.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on August 25, 2010, 10:49:42 PM
We have a mid-week update to the Target 550 web site. It's entitled, "A Glimpse of Bonneville." I feel flattered that Doc Freud chose to use a lot of my photos.  It's a different kind of update, but I think you'll enjoy it...if for no other reason than to see some very different photos. I hope ya like 'em.

http://www.target550.com/gallery/54_a_glimpse_of_bonneville/index.html (http://www.target550.com/gallery/54_a_glimpse_of_bonneville/index.html)



Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: racergeo on August 25, 2010, 11:02:07 PM
  Holy cow, kepner looks like the poster boy for one of those tanning bed companies.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on August 25, 2010, 11:07:12 PM
LOL!


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on August 27, 2010, 01:52:39 PM
Another Friday, another update.  This weeks post includes shots (made by Freud) of the steering wheel, scavenge pump, front drive hub and a tribute to Prairie, the former head of Security.

http://www.target550.com/gallery/55_steering_wheel_scavenge_pump_front_drive_hub_and_prairie/index.html (http://www.target550.com/gallery/55_steering_wheel_scavenge_pump_front_drive_hub_and_prairie/index.html)

(http://www.target550.com/gallery/55_steering_wheel_scavenge_pump_front_drive_hub_and_prairie/55_007a.jpg)


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: desotoman on August 27, 2010, 02:05:14 PM
Thank you, Thank you, Thank you.

Give Jim H. my condolences regarding Prairie.

Tom G.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: wlarryglick on August 27, 2010, 04:09:53 PM
Ray,

Thanks for the plethora of pictures. Please keep 'em comin'! And I'm so sorry to hear about the passing of Prarie, Head Dog of Security. 

Larry in Scottsdale, AZ


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on September 03, 2010, 05:38:16 PM
Larry, Thank You for the condolences regarding Prairie. He's doin' OK now.

Ray just posted a new group of pictures.

One of the areas of work on Treit's 'liner is finishings: coatings and platings.

The injectors that Les built are on the bench for a short while.

Attached parts are being coated.

FREUD





Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on September 03, 2010, 05:50:41 PM
Just to make it a little easier to get there:
http://www.target550.com/gallery/56_aluminum_jewel_box_and_accessories/index.html (http://www.target550.com/gallery/56_aluminum_jewel_box_and_accessories/index.html)


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: desotoman on September 03, 2010, 06:01:47 PM
Freud,

Any chance of getting more pictures of the Davenport Injector?

Thanks,

Tom G.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on September 03, 2010, 06:24:56 PM
Is it OK if I don't post them for a week or more?

I'll do a shoot just of them and make it a dozen prints or more.

I don't have a library of them alone but I will get a plate full next time.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: desotoman on September 03, 2010, 06:52:06 PM
At your convenience. Beggars cannot be fussy.  :-)
Thanks for your help,

Tom G. 


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on September 10, 2010, 10:38:37 AM
Each time I go to the shop I get surprised. As the build progresses different areas need attention.

There are many small projects underway all the time.

This post includes the air activated systems, the layout for the rear wheel fairings and the air shifter mounting.

Enjoy. This link will open it for you.

http://www.target550.com/gallery/57_mag_kill_switches_rear_wheel_fairings_air_control_systems/index.html

Next week....the injectors.

WELL NOT SEPTEMBER 17TH. I will be in Palm Springs the following week and so I will have a post that follows the

recent lines of thought. Then for Friday SEPT 24, I will post the injectors. I will make up the post while we are

out of town and that requires that I already have the images on the computer. Since the principles follow the

equipment on current dragsters there may not be much line copy. I'll leave that to the knowledge that all of you

viewers have. Most of it will show the machine work that developed these pieces from a solid chunk of aluminum.



FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on September 12, 2010, 02:06:18 PM
Beggers even drink Boxed Wine, whenever that can.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on September 13, 2010, 08:45:44 PM
Check the post several items above this one.  Reply #315.

I hope the WOS meet is just what everyone needs to satisfy their need for speed.

TD, tune for 206.

My reference is to the posts on www.TARGET550.com.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on September 19, 2010, 08:08:16 AM
I should have had this post done on Friday...but I didn't make it.  It's done now with Friday's date on it. 

The topic is: More Steering wheel, air lines and a look inside the Skunk Works.  That's exactly what's there.  Jim Hume builds his air lines the old-fashioned way.  There are photos of the transmission air lines being built and in place.  Class work, as usual.  You can also see a shot of the inside of the shop; it's gettin crowded in there.  Finally, what's becoming my favorite part to watch as it progresses, the instrument panel and steering wheel  It's almost there...and it's a work of art, as is everything the Skunk Works cranks out.  Beautiful work.

http://www.target550.com/gallery/58_more_steering_wheel_air_lines_&_a_look_inside_the_skunk_works/index.html (http://www.target550.com/gallery/58_more_steering_wheel_air_lines_&_a_look_inside_the_skunk_works/index.html)

I gotta run,


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on September 19, 2010, 02:15:36 PM
Sometimes I feel like it would be satisfying to post twice a week. Then I understand that it's a way from my place to Hume's.

There are weeks that enough is accomplished that it would be easy for two posts. Other times a week is a struggle to find new images.

Marlo, Jim, Ray and I appreciate your interest.

Jason and Dave make it possible for more and more portions to be finished and provide new material to present.

This has been an on going project and it's still a ways from conclusion. Maintain your interest and patience. We promise to present

the build as it develops.  We further promise to allow you to attend the shake down trials and certainly the record attempts when

they happen. With some time between now and the first runs, the technology of filming will improve even more. The film crew will

be the best possible, the most experienced Bonneville crew that understands the "what and why" of record attempts.

Until that day comes, there will be some exciting happenings between now and the first runs, I will promise you the best I can present

and if my abilities aren't up to par, I'll find someone else that exceeds what I am presently accomplishing.

With Marlo's 40+ years of Bonneville racing experience, my 130 trips to the Salt, carrying a camera most of the time, and the recent

addition of Ray S. Therat and his rapidly growing Bonneville reporting experiences, we hope to keep your interest at a fever pitch.

Thru Landracing.com and www.target550.com there will always be someway for you to be close to this project even if you are in Belgium, France,

Germany, China, Japan, U.K., Canada or India. Each month over 25 nations view www.target550.com and so far in 2010 we have had

1.5 million hits.  We Thank You for your interest.

Stay on board with us. I'll try to keep the same excitement for all of you that I experience presenting it to you.

FREUD



Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on September 24, 2010, 10:43:28 PM
Following up on his promises, Freud has presented us with a series of photos of the fraternal twins, the injectors and scoops for front and rear engines.  I wish they'd been given names like Orville and Wilbur, the cutoff switches.  Maybe Romulus and Remus would work.  Or Louis and Gaston (Chevrolet brothers) and I even considered the Montgolfier brothers, Joseph-Michel and Jacques-…tienne, but that went over like a led balloon. 

Anyway, Freud made some really kool shots of the very nicely crafted injectors.  So without further ado, here they are:

http://www.target550.com/gallery/59_fraternal_injectors/index.html (http://www.target550.com/gallery/59_fraternal_injectors/index.html)

Enjoy.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: desotoman on September 24, 2010, 10:52:50 PM
WOW,

One off fraternal twins, carved from billet. Doesn't get any better than that. Thanks Ray and FrEud. Thank you for fulfilling my request I really appreciate it. I owe you one.

Thank you,
Thank you,
Thank you,


Tom G.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on September 24, 2010, 11:27:04 PM
"sotoman.......I'm overjoyed that you understand and accept your obligation.

Now all I have to do is collect.

If I need another chapter to answer your questions, let me no.

FREUD



Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: floydjer on September 27, 2010, 04:52:54 PM
Those pics. make me want to beat my Index manual mill with a club. Beautiful work :cheers:


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on September 27, 2010, 06:26:51 PM
I looked in the anatomy book and couldn't locate a body part with that name.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: interested bystander on September 27, 2010, 07:33:24 PM
FREDU, I think index manual mill maybe the English translation for WIFE in one of the Islamic countries.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on September 27, 2010, 07:46:27 PM
I think Freud forgot that he sent me this batch of fotos...so I went and posted 'em today, rather than waiting for Friday.

The fotos show the blower belt shield, the air control lines for the Liberty transmissions and the conduit through which they're run.

As usual the work is absolutely ossum.  

Here's an example showing Jim Hume bending some of the tubing.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on September 28, 2010, 11:14:35 AM
I am constantly surprised at the use of wood in this build. Jim makes patterns,

jigs and fixtures and can alter them so easily. It's one of his skills that helps a

lot in so many different areas.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on September 28, 2010, 01:06:12 PM
The question was, Do I think the car will be running by 2015.

YES..for sure.

It will be several years before that. A time line has been established, with some stretch and shrink in it, and

I am confident that it will be met.

Thanks for asking, Mike.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: thundersalt on September 28, 2010, 01:31:43 PM
This is a great build diary being able to watch and witness history from the start. Perhaps you (Freud or Slim) can lock the first Thread so we can follow this thread moving forward :?


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on September 28, 2010, 01:43:16 PM
Salt, this thread remains active. Ray and I post on here whenever we add to www.target550.com.

I have been able to post more fotos on target550.com, easier than on here because of the size and number limit.

SSS has been so receptive and we appreciate it. Jon Amo started out first diary a long time ago and I feel that we

owe Landracing.com a major THANK YOU. In return, our other posts are always announced on Landracing.com.

I know that we are small as far as some of the diaries but it does keep SSS's site slightly smaller.

SIZE DOES COUNT.

To everyone that has followed this build for a long time, trust me. The end is in sight. It will be finished in a reasonable time and

when it is, we will keep everyone informed. With Jason and Dave contributing progress is doing well.

Marlo is as interested in seeing this completed as much as ANYONE.  So, hang in there with the project. It will be exciting

as the next year passes.  We do have some surprises in store..........I promise.

For Marlo, Hume, Jason and Dave,

Thanks for taking the ride with us.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on September 28, 2010, 04:29:14 PM
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Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Geo on September 28, 2010, 04:57:09 PM
Freud,

Thanks to you and the crew for bring us along!

Geo


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on October 01, 2010, 05:35:39 PM
Another Friday and another post.

I was just told by Ray Therat that we have new fotos and info posted on www.target550.com

One of the huge parts of this build is the tail section skin. Jason Hosking has turned the corner

and is now working on the right side of the car. The left is done, except riveting the skin,

and he is now finishing the right side. Dave Jeffers has finished the blower belt shields.

Welcome and THANKS for your support.

FREUD



Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Geo on October 01, 2010, 07:13:38 PM
Freud,

Can you provide more info on the line building.  What line components are being  used for the steel lines?  Square cut sleeve on the ends, assembly tools, etc.  Perhaps a manufacturers website.

Thanks,

Geo


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: floydjer on October 01, 2010, 08:21:32 PM
Is there anything on that car that isn`t perfect?? O.K.  Back to beating my mill...whack-whack :cheers:


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on October 04, 2010, 10:47:56 PM
Ever go to a movie and get a surprise sneak preview?

That's happened this week.  We are presenting a small post in the middle of the week.

I mentioned recently that it would be enjoyable to have more than one post a week.

This is our first time.  Maybe you can remember another first time.

You will have to pay attention because I never know what day we will have a post but you can always

expect a Friday or Saturday entry.

For the entire crew I say "Thanks for your interest."

If you are going to World Finals, have a blast and stay dry.

FFREUDD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on October 04, 2010, 11:35:06 PM
Geo.......Thanks for the question.

All of the lines are 3/16 stainless with, as I remember, 0.035" wall.  From what I saw, the ends are flared. Jim has a tubing holder

attached to a large vertical log. When the tubing is cut to length he uses a tapered tool and cleans and bevels the inside of the

tube. Then he clamps it in the holder and flares the end with a tool similar to a copper tube flaring tool. He hopes he remembered

to slip the fitting on first.

Just today I shot some images of the finished and mounted tubing for the air shifters and the fire suppression system. These images

will be included in post number 64.

Your question has just suggested to me that I do a video regarding the tubing. I have excellent access to Jim Hume but I will wait

until a time when I'm not making a huge interruption in his day. Then after it is filmed I'll have to get someone to help me with the

editing of the video. My grand daughter, Rose Halcomb, did the Hume interviews for me but she is in college in Spokane, WA and I am in

Everett. This will be a good reason to go see her.

Thanks for the question because I need to add something extra to the site.  How about if I promise it in the next month?

Will that sooth your savage desire?

Thanks to all of you for your interest and your patience as I plod along, guided by Ray Therat, web elf, and Marlo Treit, the purveyor of the unusual.

Geo, check your PM.

FREUD





Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on October 05, 2010, 12:31:09 AM
Folks, I have been posting in the Build Diary section for over 3 years.

It has been most enjoyable. The interest in Treit's streamliner is very high.

www.Target550.com  has had just short of  one and a half MILLION hits since  January.

The number of posts has slowed down on www.Landracing.com because I just can't satisfy two

lovers.

This is not about Target550.com or The Treit Streamliner thread on Landracing.com.

I want to congratulate a pair of privateers who feed us with regularity.

John and Troy Langlo     ji222 and bvilllercr on the site:

Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)

Recently they have been awarded a secure listing at the TOP OF THE BUILD DIARY. How does this happen?

With 133059 views they had passed a very deserving DrGoggle and his Down Under lakester post.

I know what it takes to feed your voracious appetites regarding people with accomplishments and the patience to do the fotos, the post

and also the preparation of a d a m n e d fast race car.

All I can say is, Folks, enjoy their post. Read with understanding, appreciate their multi level talents and express your sincere congratulations

to a family team that tells us of their successes and their problems with all honesty.

There are no 6 figure sponsorships adding to their program. This is down and dirty racing with results that are always just a red puttsen hare

short of their goals but they comeback with confidence and determination that examplifies Hot Rodding at the 2010 level and it's all

accomplished by the sacrifices from their immediate family. 

When u are on the salt, stop by and Thank them for me. They are at a level beyond most racers dreams.

John and Troy..........I Love you, I respect you and I congratulate you.

Go "get 'em next time."  300 MPH in the first mile, in third gear.

My assurance; Dan will never find the beer in the intercooler because it will be gone before you get to impound.

We will replenish your needs at The Kilo Club.

FREUD





Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: jl222 on October 05, 2010, 12:49:42 AM

  Wow--Thanks Freud, much appreciated from the whole family :cheers:


                JL222

   P.S. were putting more beer and ice in the cool tank :-D


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on October 05, 2010, 01:00:28 AM
This message is for   FLOYDJER

If you can get accepted  for Public Health intervention, they can register you in an

ANGER MANAGEMENT Program at Public Expense.

Your machinery may be old enough to be in the Antique Registry and protecting it

from your violence could well be in the pubic interest.

Take your medicine and don't drive at night.

It's OK to work on your car when you are buzzed but if the build diary sets you off,

read about Lindsay Lohan and then you will have a legitimate reason to get violent.

Even a female judge would understand that.

PRAY FOR GOOD SALT.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: desotoman on October 05, 2010, 02:36:39 PM

Folks, I have been posting in the Build Diary section for over 3 years.

Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)

Recently they have been awarded a secure listing at the TOP OF THE BUILD DIARY. How does this happen?

With 133059 views they had passed a very deserving DrGoggle and his Down Under lakester post.

FREUD




Doc,

Numbers are interesting, and can tell different stories depending on how you use them. For pure views you are 100% correct.

Now if you take into consideration how may posts have been made on each build diary things change considerably. Every time someone posts on a build diary people will naturally see what they have to say and what is new. So more posts equal more views usually.

Here are the results for views divided by posts.

Langlo's have 96.46 views per post.

Doc Googles have 101.97 view per post.

Combining your two build diary's you have 122.62 views per post.

Just an observation.

Tom G.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: saltwheels262 on October 05, 2010, 02:50:48 PM


looking at the bigger picture of the starter
button in target550.com has got me thinking a lot
of small parts could end up inside the engine.

maybe not.

franey


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on October 05, 2010, 06:29:59 PM
Rest easy franey..........

I did this foto Tuesday. Dave won't have to hold it when they start the engine. The welds are strong.

They lucked out when they chose that mounting position.

It would be difficult for that piece to get to the outside of the body and thru the duct into the blower.

If it went in the engine, it's a small piece and Jim could easily make a new one.

The hole is for an oil gage. Even if they can't hear the engine running they can see if it has oil pressure.

In this case it's better to be lucky than misguided.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: jdincau on October 05, 2010, 07:44:23 PM
Freud,
     My guess is that Franey thinks that is an assembled runner of an engine that the dish full of FOD is sitting on.
Jim


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on October 05, 2010, 08:10:16 PM
Thanks Jim.

I used the shot just to show a wide view and a possible location for the push button.

It never occurred  to me that he was referring to the mock up engine.

Thanks for pulling me back to reality.

Sorry Franey.....I wasn't mocking you. I just couldn't imagine how the starter button would get ingested into the engine.

You still have two strikes to use.  LOL

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: saltwheels262 on October 06, 2010, 08:43:13 AM
Freud,
     My guess is that Franey thinks that is an assembled runner of an engine that the dish full of FOD is sitting on.
Jim

didn't realize it was a mock up engine;
 and don't know what fod is.

franey


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: TouringComet on October 06, 2010, 12:34:21 PM
Foreign Object Debris


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: jdincau on October 06, 2010, 03:51:42 PM
Actually it started out in the 50's as a description of what happend to your jet engine, FOD "foreign object damage". When all the TV show documentaries started showing the crew walking the deck of a carrier looking for junk it got warped into foreign object debris.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on October 08, 2010, 10:54:44 AM
Thanks to Touring Comet and jdincau for the explains.......

I sure had no idea.

I do appreciate you fellows stepping in and clearing up our lack of now ledge.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on October 08, 2010, 11:08:30 AM
Ray Therat has posted another group of fotos on www.target550.com

These have a rather large summary of the carrier and the pins used to lift the car.

There is a foto of the car being lifted by the carrier. It's from the achieves.

There are also several shots of fire suppression lines.

Enjoy.

Watch for surprise postings in the future.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: racergeo on October 08, 2010, 10:57:26 PM
  I've been to the holy land . I've seen the holy grail.  I've meet the Knight Templar (Freud).  I'm not worthy!  My new goal in life is to build my new liner with NO Dzus fastners!


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on October 09, 2010, 11:16:25 AM
Whoa  Whoa Whoa !!!!

Don't rule out Dzuz fastners to hold the seat.

Sometimes when you have to change your shorts the seat needs changing also.

You may be in a hurry and generally they aren't seen in there.

Besides, if you drop a pen, they always end up under the seat.

Hume agrees. Marlo said, "just find another pen," and Jason says if it's hot the ink will dribble out.

All things to consider.

FREUD

 


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: saltwheels262 on October 09, 2010, 04:06:35 PM
Foreign Object Debris

got it.

franey


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on October 14, 2010, 09:57:20 PM
Friday came early for the Target 500 site.  Freud's out at his Thursday evening gathering...maybe he won't notice.  This might have something to do with insomnia.  Who knows?  Anyway, this update covers a buncha ground.  The blower ducting and burst deflectors were refinished, some new blower belt idlers made and the big part of the update shows the wiring for the starters with the "remove before flight" blocks, starter switches (one for each motor) and wiring for external battery connection.

There are rumors about motors going to the dyno soon.  This could get real interesting.  Video, maybe. Stay tuned.

http://www.target550.com/gallery/64_blower_ducting_burst_deflectors_belt_idlers_starter_wiring&reverence/index.html (http://www.target550.com/gallery/64_blower_ducting_burst_deflectors_belt_idlers_starter_wiring&reverence/index.html)

Dunno how I screwed the url up, but thanx for the catch.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: sabat on October 14, 2010, 11:26:51 PM
http://www.target550.com/gallery/64_blower_ducting_burst_deflectors_belt_idlers_starter_wiring&reverence/ (http://www.target550.com/gallery/64_blower_ducting_burst_deflectors_belt_idlers_starter_wiring&reverence/)

Thanks RTR, Froid  :-D


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on October 15, 2010, 11:13:48 PM
Is it Friday yet?

Maybe Ray Therat will do a post for me.

Oh well, there will be something next week.

As a bonus for finding our post (www.target550.com) thru Landracing.com, I'll let you in on a funny.

The two gentlemen, Omer and Keith, in the last foto, were bringing  a bad BBC Chevy from Davenport's shop to Marlo.

They got to the US/Canada border, about 50 miles from Hume's shop, and Customs wouldn't let them

bring the engine across. They had to return to Vancouver, find a place to leave it and then came to Hume's

shop.  That's why they were contemplating the Customs Agents.

Get the "rest of the story on Landracing.com."

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on October 16, 2010, 01:11:08 PM
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Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on October 22, 2010, 04:41:45 PM
Ray Therat did a  new post at www.target550.com.

It addresses items related to the air controls on the car and two all inclusive shots.

ENJOY.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: racergeo on October 22, 2010, 09:06:55 PM
    Freud, any chance you could make up some copy's of your infamous motor cycle a la natural photo and sell em , autographed of course, on this sight to raise some money for your photography expense? I'd go 20$ for a copy. :lol:


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: SPARKY on October 23, 2010, 09:53:45 AM
What is Rufus up to these days  :?


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on October 23, 2010, 11:10:50 AM
racergeo, I just may do that.

My wife thanks you for even mentioning her least favorite foto.

I offered to get a Trumpet for her to ride for a feminine foto.

My beer supply money is being withheld for an undetermined period of time.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on October 23, 2010, 11:12:16 AM
SPARKY, I'm contemplating a fund raising project for Rufus.

The new Rufus decals are being designed and printed now.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on October 27, 2010, 10:38:51 PM
Doris was on me to clean up my computer desk.

I opened the drawer and found some spare images and Ray posted them for me.

No captions. I think you can relate to all of them.

Just one of our new surprise postings.

FREUD





Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Dr Goggles on October 27, 2010, 10:57:29 PM
That's a beautiful piece of work fERD, does it have a matching brush to go with it?


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: racergeo on October 27, 2010, 11:00:56 PM
  Freud, that's a beautiful piece, but nothing compared to the proposed poster. I have my $20 ready!


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: desotoman on October 27, 2010, 11:21:27 PM
Doris was on me to clean up my computer desk.

I opened the drawer and found some spare images and Ray posted them for me.

No captions. I think you can relate to all of them.

Just one of our new surprise postings.

FREUD


http://www.target550.com/gallery/66_look_what_we_found/index.html

Tom G.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on October 28, 2010, 12:40:02 AM
Those Interested:

How big would u want that neeked foto to be?

11 x 14   12 x 18  16 x 20? 20 x 30 ??

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: racergeo on October 28, 2010, 01:00:15 PM
  11x14 would be fine but any would look good hanging in the living room next to Von Dutch with two pin stripping brushes in his ears. I'm quite the art connoisseur.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on October 28, 2010, 10:41:13 PM
On a special order, they could be sized to fit under the toilet seat lid.

Since our wives always put the seat down, they would NEVER see it.

FerD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on October 29, 2010, 02:55:44 AM
I wouldn't wanna disrupt a conversation about toilet seats...but I will, anyway.  :)  I figger Freud's asleep and I won't bug him.  Since RLS keeps me workin graveyard and swing shift....well, here I am and the traditional Friday post is on the server.
http://www.target550.com/gallery/67_pneumatic%20mag%20switches_bending%20stainless%20steel%20lines_starter%20switches/index.html (http://www.target550.com/gallery/67_pneumatic%20mag%20switches_bending%20stainless%20steel%20lines_starter%20switches/index.html)

Here's what I posted on FaceBook:
It's Friday...albeit a rather early one. Since I prepared the Target 550 release last night, its ready to go. Matter of fact, it's on the server now. This is the description used on the index page:
"Hume altered the pneumatic mag switches, Jason is bending stainless steel lines and Dave wired the starter switches." ...My favorite part of it is the stainless lines and seeing the way Jason Hosking works with the metal to turn out some absolutely beautiful pieces. Seeing the air supply tubes being fabricated and fit is like watching jewelry being created. Ya gotta check it out.

Well, I got other work to get done while the sun shines (somewhere over Australia) so I'm outta here.

Enjoy,



Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on October 29, 2010, 09:46:13 PM
It's reassuring to have Ray Therat cover my backside.

I am happy he uses Charmin.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: racergeo on October 29, 2010, 10:32:15 PM
  Freud, how's my autographed picture (nude art deco) coming along? I'm thinking of the the proper inscription. Some thing along the line of to George, your wife is sure a lucky woman to have you, and by they way the Saltosaurus is my favorite race car and also thanks for the idea of mixing the little blue pill in with my oatmeal, brilliant........The ever awesome FREUD  :-D


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on October 30, 2010, 12:39:50 AM
Racer.....I just received the latest "submarine issue"  blue salt peter pills.

I'm surprised that is your desire.

Just so u don't overuse them, I will send them to your wife and she can dispense them to u.

Dr FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on November 05, 2010, 01:03:17 PM
There's a new update on the Target550 site.  I put it there yesterday, but neglected to tell anyone.  Duh.  So shoot me.

It has more fotos of the air lines for shifting and other functions and a really kool gasket setup to keep salt from escaping the wheel enclosures (pants) and soiling the liner's inner dainties.  (I dunno...can ya call a pair of fire-breathing hemis, "dainties"?)

http://www.target550.com/gallery/68_more_air_lines_throttle_bell_crank_and_wheel_well_seal/index.html (http://www.target550.com/gallery/68_more_air_lines_throttle_bell_crank_and_wheel_well_seal/index.html)

More news as it's fit to print...or something like that.



Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Nexxussian on November 06, 2010, 07:54:06 AM
"dainties"?Maybe not.Cajones (sp?) definetly. :)


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on November 10, 2010, 02:16:30 PM
Target 550 midweek "extra" post. Some front end stuff: one of the things that's been focused on recently is keeping salt out of places it doesn't belong. Those who've been there know that it can wreak havoc with just about everything it contacts. So the guys at the skunk works have come up with more clever ways to s...eal the hard-workin mechanical stuff from the corrosive white stuff.

Then there's been some work on the steering arms to eliminate any play out of their attaching points on the spindle/axle housings.

Finally, there's a shot of a high-level summit meeting between Hume and Marlo...probably discussing what to have for lunch. :) Or maybe the fact that the front end of the liner is coming very close to completion.

http://www.target550.com/gallery/69_several_areas_related_to_the_front_end/index.html (http://www.target550.com/gallery/69_several_areas_related_to_the_front_end/index.html)



Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on November 13, 2010, 02:05:44 AM
In the dark of the night there is a new post for  target550.com

We shared an afternoon with a marvelous group of high school students, (Granite Falls, WA) and their build for the Shell Eco-Marathon.

It was held in Houston, Texas last spring.

Just remember. This project was done by high school girls and a dedicated teacher.

Michael Werner has an ability, beyond belief, to motivate and communicate with these students and their parents.

Have a look and Thanks for your interest.


http://www.target550.com/gallery/70_granite_falls_hs_lsr_bbq/

FREUD



Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Peter Jack on November 13, 2010, 02:41:20 AM
Great project. Congratulations to Michael Werner for being a truly inspiring motivator. :-D :-D :-D

Pete


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: debgeo on November 13, 2010, 04:28:09 AM
Fantastic!! With all the negative stories we hear its nice to have a great story like this. Great job and good luck on your next adventure. :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on November 20, 2010, 02:15:17 AM

Late night duty on the www.target550.com foto post. This post is related to the front drive hubs.

For a piece that was designed and produced by a big name company, there have been many necessary

improvements. Well, whatever is needed will be done.

http://www.target550.com/gallery/71_front_hub_assembly/

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Rex Schimmer on November 20, 2010, 12:57:27 PM
I find it interesting that they are mounting the steering link in single shear. My preference is to always mount rod ends in double shear for the maximum stiffness, especially in the steering system.

BTW don't look at the drag link on my roadster!

Rex


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: floydjer on November 26, 2010, 08:38:13 PM
Freud?...Ray?...Going through withdrawals here. :?


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: 4-barrel Mike on November 26, 2010, 11:01:31 PM
Ray was active on Facebook 11 hours ago http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1103944527 (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1103944527)

He's got lots of snow, so, who knows??  Maybe he's still out shopping  :mrgreen:

Mike


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on November 26, 2010, 11:43:52 PM
No Black Friday shopping for this old geezer.  I'll leave that you those more capable (and foolhardy.)  No, I was doing what every old coot otta be doing on the day after Thanksgiving.  Munching on leftover turkey and falling asleep for a brief winter's nap.  When I awoke, I said, "Holy sh*t!  It's Friday!  Get the Target 550 post on the website!"  So I did. 

Now.  You'd think the liner was low and sleek enough, right?  Nope.  Fairings are being made for the wheel openings to help with aerodynamics and keep salt outta the wound...I mean wheel enclosures.  What the skunk works guys have done is built aluminum patterns that will be reproduced in carbon fiber or fiberglass so that they can be replaced if they happen (heaven forbid) to be damaged during a run.  This makes for an even sleeker, slipperier, cleaner underside.

Freud did a great job getting the photos for this post.  I wonder if he got a nap while lying on his back shooting the underside.  :)  There's something that isn't mentioned in the writeup, so I'll blab it here.  One of the things that struck me was the aluminum piece that's intended to scrape any wayward salt from the surface of the tire.  Sorta like an Alcoa mudflap...sorta.

Anyway, I think it'll kill the Jones for a bit and help the turkey digest:
http://www.target550.com/gallery/72_front_wheel_fairings/index.html (http://www.target550.com/gallery/72_front_wheel_fairings/index.html)


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: racergeo on November 27, 2010, 02:17:18 AM
  Can this car get any more incredible?


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on November 27, 2010, 02:50:20 AM
I ask myself the same thing every week when I see the photos.  Blows the mind.  Poof!


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on November 30, 2010, 08:13:47 PM
Now that it has warmed up enough that I don't have to feed the fire to stay warm I dug

into the steamer trunk and found some old images of the model of the

Treit and Davenport streamliner.

Have a look. I figure it doesn't take much explaining.

http://www.target550.com/gallery/73_streamliner_model/

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on December 03, 2010, 07:08:21 PM
The winter has driven both The Rat and I undercover. That allowed us time to make another post.

http://www.target550.com/gallery/74_its_all_plumbing/index.html

Big pipes, and little tubes are all coming together on the 'liner. It just takes a lotta time.

Have a look.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: racergeo on December 03, 2010, 08:07:22 PM
  I just went to the crew page at Project 550 and saw Freud's picture and noted the Buddhist Monastery in the back ground. Clearly an image from the 60's. What a sober, serious look. :-)


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on December 03, 2010, 09:19:53 PM
Well, Freud tells me that the monastery is the timing tower at Daytona and the sober, serious look came about as the result of finding out that he was a test tube baby.  Don't ask me.  I don't explain 'em, I just type 'em.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on December 03, 2010, 09:47:45 PM
Dodge it Ray, just because you know, don't tell 'em why Mom didn't get me circumcised.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on December 03, 2010, 09:49:00 PM
Mum's the word!


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: racergeo on December 03, 2010, 10:09:32 PM
  Where is a kleenex? :-D


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Rex Schimmer on December 06, 2010, 10:47:30 AM
I find it interesting that they are using the POS  Oberg screen filter. I would think with the aircraft knowledge resident at this shop they would have passed on a filter that is based upon 1950 technology. Maybe they have a "real" filter some where else that has not been shown.

Rex


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: jimmy six on December 06, 2010, 01:54:02 PM
Hey Slim...Why does Treits streamliner get 2 threads and no one even talks about it any more....


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: racergeo on December 06, 2010, 03:05:50 PM
   Oh oh, fightin words. :x


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on December 06, 2010, 03:37:13 PM
No one talks about it?  Huh?


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Glen on December 06, 2010, 03:40:46 PM
Maybe everyone should make a weekly post that I read Treits streamliner photo site
I do


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Elmo Rodge on December 06, 2010, 04:41:56 PM
Every time I read it (weekly) I walk away mumbling to myself for about an hour.  :-P Does that count? Wayno


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on December 06, 2010, 06:22:11 PM
About two sites:

When the first one would not allow access to some of the posts The Web Elf suggested that I start a new thread.

It was their choice that the original be left since it could not be repaired without a lot more research time. The original

is always in the same place.  The second one is where we post about the updates on www.target550.com.

If that takes up too much space the Elf can always delete the thread but so far he hasn't suggested that.

I post on this site whenever we post on the www.target550.com. It is also announced on Facebook, ChevyAsylum

and HAMB.

Someone must find it because we have had nearly 2 million hits so far this year.

I haven't seen any reason to load anymore than necessary on Landracing.com as long as the other site

is available and SSS hasn't run us off.

The stated number of  pictures per post on Landracing.com is 4  The number of fotos posted each time on www.target550.com

would require from 3 to 8 posts on Landracing.com. Others find a way around that but I haven't looked for a detour.

SSS and Bob, if we are taking advantage of Landracing.com please send me an e-mail and advise what changes

we need to make.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Peter Jack on December 06, 2010, 07:50:34 PM
You and Ray keep posting like you are Freud. Your contributions are really appreciated and I think I speak for most when I say you guys are amazing! :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

Pete


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: debgeo on December 06, 2010, 07:52:05 PM
Freud    I look forward for each new post THANK YOU
Slim  I think the build is really appreciated by 99.9999% of viewers . Do not let the .0001% ruin it for us. Just my humble humble opinion.
George

p.s just sent paypal.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on December 06, 2010, 08:17:15 PM
We ain't about to stop.  There's a light at the end of the tunnel

(http://www.target550.com/picts/lightintunnelr400.jpg)

And it's not a freight train.  :)



Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: charlie101 on December 06, 2010, 08:24:33 PM
Rex I'd like some facts on the oberg screen filter? and evidence to back up your opinion.
edit: been reading up on the subject on the forum and elsewhere and found interesting wiews, looks like the physically small area of the Oberg and messy change is the main problems.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Dean Los Angeles on December 06, 2010, 08:49:15 PM
Do research on oil filter particle size and you will find that particles in the 3-5 micron range (0.000118-0.000196") are what you want to filter.

Oberg's website says the screen in the filter is 60 micron. That will keep out the birds and rocks. Not much else.

It could be that wear isn't a concern for the short life of the engines.

So what is the filter solution on the liner?


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: SPARKY on December 06, 2010, 09:05:40 PM
I use an Oberg in the return line to check for trash after each run


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: desotoman on December 06, 2010, 09:19:05 PM
Freud,

I would like to take time to personally Thank you for all the time and effort that you have put into this project over the years. The hours you have devoted to this project are countless. About once a week you travel to Jim's shop from your home, to spend the day taking photos of what you think we might be interested in seeing. Then taking long hours editing the photos, adding captions to them, assorting them into zip files, and saving them for future use, or to post on Target 550. Then you put a teaser on this site or just let it be known there is a new post for all to see on Target 550.

Your dedication, effort and skill with a camera, rivals the skills of the Craftsmen building the car. You have provided us with more detail, than anyone could have ever imagined, or asked for. This build has inspired many people, but it has only been possible because of you. You have taken us on a journey with your eye for detail through your Camera. Your pictures say it all. Thank you for sharing this exciting adventure with all of us, it is appreciated more than you will ever know. (http://www.freesmileys.org/emoticons/emoticon-object-028.gif) (http://www.freesmileys.org/emoticons.php)

Tom G.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on December 06, 2010, 10:31:37 PM
Thanks fellows for the kind words. Desotoman have you been following me?

I enjoy the project. My wife and I agree; it takes time. She cuts me an enormous amount of slack.

Now about two items that are being discussed:

The Oil filters...........They are being plumbed into the system. I profess to know nothing about them. In my opinion

all I need to do is to show what is being done. I respect Rex so very much. I haven't answered him because I haven't

asked either Marlo or Jim about them. All I know is where they have been mounted and what plumbing is required. That's

what I have reported. When I have the opportunity I will post a reply that is "fed" to me. Their judgement can always be questioned

but it doesn't involve me in any way unless they replace them and I don't have the opportunity to document the change.


The two threads devoted to the streamliner..... In July, 2007 I first started to post on the site. In July 2009 we had a problem with page 23.

Everything went tilt. Bob, the web master for SSS, worked endlessly in an attempt to correct the problem. As I recall he was not granted

access to the server that he would have needed to find the source of the problem. I had several emails and a fone call from him as he tried

to solve it and He explained his difficulties to me .  So in Reply 353 on the original post, Marlo Treit's Liner, I said that from then on

all of the posts would be done in a new thread, TREITS STREAMLINER.  There have been several posts in that thread since then but the

majority have been done in this thread. Had we deleted the original thread all of the history and fotos that I had entered would have been lost.

That's how there happened to be two threads.

It seems to me that if this was keeping someone from being able to post their story SSS would have either had the original thread

eliminated or asked me to quit posting because of the amount of space we have occupied on Landracing.com. Neither of these have

happened. If there is confusion because of two different threads try to remember to go to the TREITS STREAMLINER thread.

It is the most current.

If you ask me a question and I don't reply......ride my Bone A S S.    drfreud99@aol.com

If you don't like the way the site is run contact SSS.

If you don't understand, ask your grandkid to explain it to you.

End of the discussion.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: debgeo on December 06, 2010, 11:04:52 PM
AMEN :cheers:


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Dean Los Angeles on December 07, 2010, 10:57:59 AM
I was going to buy a Kindle or an Ipad so I could read books. But I didn't.

I couldn't find a book that reads better than this one.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on December 07, 2010, 11:50:23 AM
I tried posting to respond to JD Tone yesterday -- but the 2 feet of snow we've received in the past day or two must have been the reason I couldn't get my response out.  Freud's right about why two threads.  As for taking up too much room on the site/server -- I guess I'd know it if that had happened, or was close to happening.  Nothing from Dan P. on that yet, no increased monthly prices because we're taking up so much room.

There is a way to post multiple photos on a single post on the Forum - and it doesn't take up mush space.  I do it all the time at a race event, by storing the photos at Photobucket and just putting an automatic link to that site on the Forum post.  But since there's already a site for the streamliner -- there's no big need to ask Freud or Ray to do extra duty to put the photos on landracing.com.

Thanks for looking at the Forum, everyone.  I'm going to go shovel snow for a while. . .


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: theazoldcrow on December 07, 2010, 11:52:22 AM
hovel sno?   Whats that Jon? lololol


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Bob Drury on December 07, 2010, 12:41:05 PM
  Oberg makes different micron screens, call them or go online..............  I have run both Obergs and System One mesh filters, but I also run a WiX Nascar (two Quart) canister between the Dry Sump pressure stage and the inlet to the block.................  I only open the wix after the race unless I find something odd in the screen filter ( where does lint and silicon come from?  Maybe lost socks.........). :- :-


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: thundersalt on December 07, 2010, 01:11:28 PM
I tried posting to respond to JD Tone yesterday -- but the 2 feet of snow we've received in the past day or two must have been the reason I couldn't get my response out.  Freud's right about why two threads.  As for taking up too much room on the site/server -- I guess I'd know it if that had happened, or was close to happening.  Nothing from Dan P. on that yet, no increased monthly prices because we're taking up so much room.

There is a way to post multiple photos on a single post on the Forum - and it doesn't take up mush space.  I do it all the time at a race event, by storing the photos at Photobucket and just putting an automatic link to that site on the Forum post.  But since there's already a site for the streamliner -- there's no big need to ask Freud or Ray to do extra duty to put the photos on landracing.com.

Thanks for looking at the Forum, everyone.  I'm going to go shovel snow for a while. . .
I commented on the 2 thread thing a while back. I fully understand why and suggested making both threads a "sticky" and locking the original thead but still have access to read. Never understood why that can't be done.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: dw230 on December 07, 2010, 02:29:27 PM
Why are there two separate threads about this car. And, why are there two separte posts asking about two separate threads?

DW


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on December 07, 2010, 03:47:51 PM
Scroll up a few posts, Dan, and you'll see the story.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on December 07, 2010, 11:45:40 PM
Remember racers, the two men who are having the most trouble understanding the two threads

for Treit's 'liner are the authorized SCTA inspectors for record setting cars.

Good Luck.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Kiwi Paul on December 07, 2010, 11:56:56 PM
 :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:


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Post by: RayTheRat on December 08, 2010, 10:54:18 AM
The jolly olde elves of the Target 550 reporting team have another mid-week post. This one goes back to 2006 when the liner was being transported from the Skunk Works to its home in Oregon to have its carrier fitted.

You can see what things looked like 4 years ago. The bogey wheels on it look really goofy, but they worked to get it into the trailer...one real big trailer.

Doc Freud busted his butt to get these done last nite. He's on his way to get fresh photos for this week's post today. He's one hard worker!

http://www.target550.com/gallery/75_young_liner_goes_to_its_home/index.html


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Post by: Freud on December 08, 2010, 11:23:12 AM
Here is the reply from Treit when I mentioned the filters.

The screens are available in a number of sizes.  I use the finest one they sell and don't remember what the grid is right now, but will look at the box and tell you. On the suction side of the dry sump pump I use Moroso filters as they are the easiest to plumb in the lines, but they don't have them up there yet as I have not supplied them with the pans I am going to use.  All of this plumbing was going to happen in Aurora, not Sedro Woolley, so I am a little behind at getting them stuff.


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Post by: Freud on December 11, 2010, 02:10:29 AM
The plumbing for the air supply lines and the fire bottles is almost complete.

With this winding down Jason is now finishing panels again. Then all of these small lines will be out of sight.

So go to this url and see the latest post.

http://www.target550.com/gallery/76_air_and_fire_suppression_plumbing/

FREUD


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Post by: Freud on December 11, 2010, 11:05:53 AM
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Post by: Freud on December 14, 2010, 02:22:01 PM
In keeping with our two posts per week until the end of 2010 there is another post now.

The plumbing from the oil supply to the pump, to the filter and back to the pump is followed.

Most of the stainless air lines are done and Jason is back on panel finishing.

http://www.target550.com/gallery/77_oil_system_plumbing_overlooked_items_and_visitor/index.html

The image isn't related to the oil system but it does include transmission shifting air lines.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on December 15, 2010, 07:54:34 PM
Have a look at Tuesdays post on www.target550.com.

FREUD


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Post by: interested bystander on December 15, 2010, 11:59:20 PM
Dr. F,

PLEASE don't show closeups of those gorgeous welds those chaps are doing.

Makes me wanna throw all my equipment away.

Next time you see Jeffers ask him about the fireproof hood he used when he drove for Spider and Joe in the day.

(Totally aside, but you know they finally found the killer of Malcom X. . . it was Mother F!).
 


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on December 16, 2010, 01:06:52 AM
I.B.            I saw Dave today and will see him again at Treit's place Saturday.

I'll be quizzing him about the fireproof hood from the past.

FReUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on December 16, 2010, 01:13:45 AM
Hang on to yer dentures, Interested.  (Not like I did and lost 'em on a race track.)  The fun is just beginning.  I can hardly wait for February when I'll get a chance to spend some time in peaceful contemplation of the liner (and my camera.)


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on December 16, 2010, 11:14:48 AM
Ray, start searching for an umbrella for The Rat.

Change the time setting on your camera.

Here comes February ( and B'ville NW Reunion)........after Christmas and Valentines Day.

FREUD


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Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on December 16, 2010, 02:08:15 PM
When, exactly, you want to know, is the N W Reunion?  It's showing on the countdown timer on the home page of this website.

Speaking of the timer -- come summertime I'll have the choice of letting it go as usual, showing the time 'til Speedweek, to help youse guys get all ready for the event -- or I can have it count down to the mid-July Loring event.  I'd like to do the latter -- Loring -- but don't want a bushel basket of grouchy racers yelling at me for not giving Speedweek the full recognition.  I'll do one or the other -- let me know directly (not on this Treit thread, please) your choice.


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Post by: Freud on December 17, 2010, 11:05:24 PM
The BONNEVILLE NW REUNION will be February 19, 2011at Shilo Inn, Portland airposr site.

http://bonnevillenwreunion.com/

Under the EVENTS section of this forum, there is a thread devoted to the banquet. All of the questions have been answered on that thread.

The BONNEVILLE NW REUNION will be February 19, 2011at Shilo Inn, Portland Airport site.

http://bonnevillenwreunion.com/

I will have the speaker announced before Christmas.

I am going to Portland this weekend and will find out how soon room reservations can be made and what the price will be.

FREUD



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Post by: Freud on December 17, 2010, 11:11:09 PM
Until the end of 2010 we plan to post twice a week.

Since I haven't supplied the images to Ray Therat, web elf as yet, it won't happen tonight.

We will post Saturday December 18.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on December 18, 2010, 11:41:44 AM

http://www.target550.com/gallery/78_oil%20system_plumbing_&_guages/

That's the url for todays post on Target550.com

Ray had a question regarding the "repaired block" in one of the pictures.  NO, it will not be used in the car. It's just a stand in

for the finished ones that are in Treit's shop. It's also a little difficult to see the fitting on the block in that picture.

The Playboy Bunny image on the block of wood was a test run for a branding iron that Hume was commissioned to

build for Hugh Hefner.  The brand was never seen on any of the center fold herd.

FREUD


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Post by: desotoman on December 19, 2010, 12:33:55 AM
Doc,

Thanks for going to the extra effort to post twice weekly. I know I appreciate your effort and time spent. After the first of the year I am going to have withdraws, when you go back to posting once a week.

Thanks again,

Tom G.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: desotoman on December 20, 2010, 04:09:26 PM
Ray The Rat,

Sorry I forgot to include you in the above post. Thank you for all you do to help Doc Freud, get the pictures posted on the website, Facebook, etc. It is much appreciated from my side of the internet.

Thanks again,

Tom G.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on December 22, 2010, 01:45:31 AM
If you are looking or the post on www.target550.com that we promised on Tuesday you will find it Wednesday morning.

Michael Werner and his wife Debbie are looking in the 2011 Target550.com calendar that I did for Marlo Treit this past week, to find the dates

for World of Speed 2011 and those dates are there. The Manufacturing Class at Granite Falls, Washington High School is

working on an alternative fuel car that they will run to gather comparison data relating sea level fuel consumption

to that at Wendover.

I'll post the url Wednesday AM.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on December 22, 2010, 01:55:03 AM
I think Freud meant Tuesday and Wednesday.  I'll have the stuff on the server in the ayem.  He had his calendar set to daylight savings time.  :)

I was just feeding my face before bed when I saw this.  G'nite.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on December 22, 2010, 02:06:47 AM
And I came and made the correction when I changed the foto of Michael and Debbie Werner.

Mr. Therat always has protected me but never has had my backside.

I'm up later than Therat.

FREUD


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Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on December 22, 2010, 09:16:04 AM
Oh, Ray, forgive me -- but the comma cop in me has spotted a common error in your post -- and it must be addressed and corrected by me.

Daylight Saving Time is to do just that -- SAVE daylight.  It's properly daylight SAVING(NO "S" HERE) time.  No plural on the word saving, okay?  Many, if not most, of the broadcast announcers make the error, but with them I simply chalk it up to ignorance.  In your case I'll allow you to explain it away by letting you remind us where you live.

Best regards from your CC.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Glen on December 22, 2010, 10:57:18 AM
Slim, don't pick on the rat so early in the day. The clouds hid the sun up his way.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on December 22, 2010, 11:03:33 AM
Ah, Glen -- the Comma Cop never rests.


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Post by: salt27 on December 22, 2010, 11:06:25 AM
Oh, Ray, forgive me -- but the comma cop in me has spotted a common error in your post -- and it must be addressed and corrected by me.

Daylight Saving Time is to do just that -- SAVE daylight.  It's properly daylight SAVING(NO "S" HERE) time.  No plural on the word saving, okay?  Many, if not most, of the broadcast announcers make the error, but with them I simply chalk it up to ignorance.  In your case I'll allow you to explain it away by letting you remind us where you live.

Best regards from your CC.
Jeez Jon, you are as bad as my wife.
Right now she is educating me on the proper use of "seen and saw".
I sound like John Wayne with all the long pauses as I try to chose my words. :-P

Merry Christmas, Don


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on December 22, 2010, 11:15:07 AM
I crave your shriving, effendi.  I will henceforth send the "s" in DST to the write-only memory buffer (WOMB) and form my statements correctly with regard to that phrase.  Thank you for saving me from committing a grammar felony.

Back to the real world, here's the link to the latest post:
http://www.target550.com/gallery/79_a_visit_to_granite_falls_high_school/index.html (http://www.target550.com/gallery/79_a_visit_to_granite_falls_high_school/index.html)

Freud did some really kool coverage of his visit to the Manufacturing Class with a LOT of verbiage explaining the goings on in the fotos.  This project (the Shop Girls' Iron Maiden and the boys' Bulldozer) is almost as kool to follow as the liner construction...almost.  :)  I sure wish I'd had opportunities like that in high school....h*ll, I might not have dropped out.  :)

Check it out.  It's pretty kool.


Oh, Ray, forgive me -- but the comma cop in me has spotted a common error in your post -- and it must be addressed and corrected by me.

Daylight Saving Time is to do just that -- SAVE daylight.  It's properly daylight SAVING(NO "S" HERE) time.  No plural on the word saving, okay?  Many, if not most, of the broadcast announcers make the error, but with them I simply chalk it up to ignorance.  In your case I'll allow you to explain it away by letting you remind us where you live.

Best regards from your CC.


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Post by: Glen on December 22, 2010, 11:51:36 AM
It's so great to see projects like this. I wish more schools would offer these types of projects. When I was in school I took every shop course available and don't regret it today. More power to these kids, they will do well in the real world.
 :cheers:


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Post by: Freud on December 22, 2010, 12:55:12 PM
The entire project revolves around their instructor, Michael Werner.

He has gathered outside support that is extraordinary and that is only possible when the undertaking has merit.

Can any of you imagine PACCAR offering the support they have. Nona Larsen is a real force and it's goes w/o

saying, if she is this involved there must be time that the engineering staff under her also get involved.

Paul Tomlinson is doing his "payback" by providing guidance for which he was paid handsomely in the past.

This goes way beyond anything that was happening in the '50s and '60s.

The enthusiasm for the projects is evident in the way these students participate.

Before school in the AM and after school in the PM.

I am certainly impressed.

FREUD



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Post by: Tman on December 22, 2010, 02:02:20 PM
It's so great to see projects like this. I wish more schools would offer these types of projects. When I was in school I took every shop course available and don't regret it today. More power to these kids, they will do well in the real world.
 :cheers:

I agree, most schools are doing away with any sort of "hands on" teaching like this. Dan (longtime HAMB member)from Miles City Mt teaches shop and had his kids welding and rebuilding old cars. Until recently, when he was told by administration that his classes did not follow their curriculum and he would have to change it.  :-(

Like I said over there Ray, thanks for all the updates!


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Post by: Schruiber on December 22, 2010, 08:16:12 PM
Freud, Ray, Glen and Tman,  thank you for all your work posting and the nice comments. Glen you are right on about learning with this real world projects for the real world; Tman - I teach this under my regular manufacturing curriculum to "fit in".  With start-up grants, sponsors and great highly skilled volunteers (it does take a village to do this) we follow the motto - build it and support will come!  Soon more update postings and questions from me about our Urban Concept Car on alternative fuel (biodiesel) at WOS 2011 - stay tuned

Merry Christmas

Michael

a couple of pictures

1. our current 2010 Urban Concept Car at the race in Houston
2. scaling and building a 1:10 scale model (the educational part) - later to be tested in our wind tunnel
3. all in orange is our current car (shortened by 8"); all in black is our "LSR longtail package" :) for WOS 2011


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Schruiber on December 22, 2010, 08:28:08 PM
This is the link for our short stop-motion video about making Carbon Fiber Panel Vaccum Bag - Resin Infusion panels to be used in our 2011 Urban Concept Car to further reduce weight - Enjoy :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBLLeDcAWts


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Post by: Tman on December 22, 2010, 09:02:57 PM
Michael, can I swap your contact info with my pal Dan? He is a caring teacher and I think your input can really help his kids!


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Post by: Schruiber on December 22, 2010, 09:08:58 PM
just sent you a pm
M


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Post by: Glen on December 22, 2010, 09:17:06 PM
I guess us old guys were lucky to have the advantage in school to have these classes. Things were still built in the USA and as kids that had that chance to develop the modern things that are farmed out all over the world today. We as a nation need to bring it back to this country.

Keep those kids involved, I am proud of what you are doing.

Merry Christmas.
 :cheers:


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Post by: Tman on December 22, 2010, 10:46:20 PM
I guess us old guys were lucky to have the advantage in school to have these classes. Things were still built in the USA and as kids that had that chance to develop the modern things that are farmed out all over the world today. We as a nation need to bring it back to this country.

Keep those kids involved, I am proud of what you are doing.

Merry Christmas.
 :cheers:

Glen, I agree and preach this all the time! I am only 41 which means I was in shop class in the early 80s. In 84 I was allowed to take a disassembled 12g to woodshop to make a new stock for it. We learned plastics,metal,wood. these days many of these classroms are only full of computers!? we are talking only 25 years time and we have lost this much!Sorry, to derail the thread. Trent


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on December 23, 2010, 02:48:03 AM
Be ready. We will have another post on www.target550.com this Friday. Some exciting stuff.

I appreciate the support that you extend to all of us involved with this site.

It's a blast being part of it.

Merry Christmas from Marlo, Jim, Dave and Jason.

Ray Therat and I are just along for the free food.

FREUD


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Post by: WOODY@DDLLC on December 23, 2010, 10:21:50 AM
The Manhattan project in WWII was dreamed up by the theoretical brains, but it was the "lowly" techs who took shop class along with Richard Feynman who built the actual working device! This project is an LSR A-bomb all the way! I am drooling from afar and eagerly awaiting the Trinity event!

Thanks for all the updates - it's like Christmas all year long!  :cheers:


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on December 23, 2010, 12:44:44 PM
Woody, there is one thing that slides through my mind as I drive home from Hume's.

What's he gonna do when it's done?

It will never be done, for him and his crew, until the car is done running.

Absolutely no way will the car run w/o the build crew being there as a major part of the crew.

Any problems that may come up can be handled faster by them than anyone else.  They are the warranty crew.

At this stage, contemplating running is a distant thought. Discussions don't center on that. They concentrate

on one area until it is resolved and then head to the next.  I wonder how Hume can sleep.  There are

so many parts and areas that just happen to be ready when needed. His organizational ability is mind boggling.

I'm fascinated. Sometimes when I leave his driveway I don't even know which way to turn.

The odds are 50/50 for Doris. She can always hope.

FREUD




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Post by: Rex Schimmer on December 23, 2010, 03:10:37 PM
As I said in a post several months ago, at some time they will be "finished" in the bare metal stage and then they have to blow it apart and and do all of the painting, plating, coating and what ever else they are going to do to finish the parts and then re-assemble. That part of the project itself is mind boggling to me. With this type of project you also just don't get it all assembled and hit the start button and go for it, the effort just to get it to roll under its own power will be monumental! With so many special systems and mechanisms and "trick do-dads" this car will have a long gestation period before it ever turns a wheel in anger, and hopefully thru Ray and Freud we will all be along for the ride. Thanks Freud and Ray!!!!

Rex


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Post by: Freud on December 23, 2010, 07:35:14 PM
Rex, u nailed it.

We have even discussed the tear down and the possibility of cataloging it on a computer to guarantee that special bolts,

similar pieces that aren't the same, all wires and tubing marked and recorded as to location and all of the unique pieces

go back where they belong.

There are welds that need to be finished on the bottom side, plating  of many items and the paint and coatings that will be needed to

protect it in the hostile environment of a salt flat. As much stainless steel as practical has been used. Any piece that can be anodized

or coated is done when it is finished.

Sorta like putting the Christmas tree up.  It still has to be taken down and if the plan is to use it next year, storage and marking is mandatory.

I'm happy that you spelled out why the run date is impossible to predict.

Merry Christmas from all of us.

FREUD


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Post by: hitz on December 24, 2010, 01:25:44 AM
Freud,

  Your pictures are an important part of this project. They will be looked through many times as the car goes through it's post paint assembly. I know the quality and detail of the photography is going to help. Did you notice the last picture you posted here showed Jason's reference marks for the tangent of the bends on some of the tubing?

  I've noticed that if something that looked good on the car but not quite perfect mechanically it was soon changed. The work on this car will influence many new builders to do as good a job as they can. Kudos!

Harvey
     


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Post by: RayTheRat on December 24, 2010, 11:29:07 AM
Before Freud makes the official announcement, I'll just let ya know that the regular Friday post is on the Target 550 server:
http://www.target550.com/gallery/80_instrument_panel_gauges_plumbing/index.html (http://www.target550.com/gallery/80_instrument_panel_gauges_plumbing/index.html)

I'll let him do further explanation.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on December 24, 2010, 12:43:31 PM
This will be the last full post before Christmas..........it's almost that time anyhow.

http://www.target550.com/gallery/80_instrument_panel_gauges_plumbing/index.html

I seem to skip from place to place but it's all exciting to me.

FREUD


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Post by: Freud on December 24, 2010, 01:35:50 PM
Thanks Harvey.

Dave did the tubing for the oil system. Jason did the small stainless lines and is now back on panels.

I put the two pieces close to one another to show how he made the pattern and then the finished piece.

I am totally amazed the way their work overlaps at times and then how unrelated their tasks are at another.

There is a harmony in that shop that seems to feed on their enjoyment of the project.

It is an amazing build.

Thanks for your interest and comments. We appreciate that.

FREUD



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Post by: 38flattie on December 24, 2010, 01:38:59 PM
Wow! This is a very amazing build, with tons of info! Keep up the great work and posts!


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on December 24, 2010, 02:09:45 PM
As the year draws to an end I want to take this time to say, "Sumner, come on back."

I miss you.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Rex Schimmer on December 24, 2010, 02:18:51 PM
Freud,
I will second the return call for Sumner.  Sumner, I hope your health is good and your lakester project is starting to get going again.

Rex


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Post by: Dean Los Angeles on December 24, 2010, 02:25:21 PM
Essential tools for dismantling:
Zip Lock bags
Wire tags
Black marker
Digital camera - take a picture of the bolts and parts from each section before you bag it.

I've dismantled machines much larger than this project. Don't plan on remembering anything. Document, document, document.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on December 24, 2010, 05:35:59 PM
Dean, Ray Therat is contemplating a spreadsheet with bar codes and a tracking system when it's time for teardown.

That would also allow us to track any parts that were sent out for finishing.

I suggested that in complex areas we use a video camera and download that to the computer if any question needs to be answered.

This may sound like overkill but not if it eliminates a reassembly problem.

I CERTAINLY appreciate the suggestion of DOCUMENTATION. That can not be overdone.

But this discussion is rather like talking about what we are going to do when the baby is born and she's only practicing getting pregnant.

Thanks for participating and warning us.

FREUD






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Post by: Tman on December 24, 2010, 08:24:42 PM
And a 5 gallon bucket of anti seize for all those fittings! :-D


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on December 25, 2010, 12:08:53 AM
A Merry Christmas from www.target550.com.  Check our Christmas card.

http://target550.com/gallery/81_christmas/081%2001_jpg.html

Just survive Christmas to see an unusual post next Tuesday.

FREUD ........... for the entire group.



Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on December 27, 2010, 08:29:59 PM
Just to advise you, www.target550.com will have a mid week post Tuesday.

Ray has it ready to feed the masses.

It's considerably different than most.

See you tomorrow.

FREUD


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Post by: Nexxussian on December 28, 2010, 09:15:54 AM
Looking forward to it. :)

Thank you both for your efforts to keep us current on this.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on December 28, 2010, 11:23:35 AM
It's alive! 

http://www.target550.com/gallery/82_lost_focus/index.html (http://www.target550.com/gallery/82_lost_focus/index.html)

Considerably different is a good way to put it...but very interesting.  I'm reminded of the old song, "She Blinded Me With Science": "All my tubes and wires...she's tidied up and I cant FIND anything!"  Well, he found a lotta stuff to photograph.  You'll like it.



Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on December 28, 2010, 11:32:14 AM
Thank You, Mr. Therat.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Dean Los Angeles on December 28, 2010, 01:06:17 PM
Well worn handles attached to no doubt well worn files.

Dykem Steel Blue - How did mankind ever live without it. They give the Nobel prizes to the wrong people.

A can of Energine Cleaning Fluid on top of the shelf. Discontinued because of the Naptha inside.

Cool stuff indeed. 


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on December 28, 2010, 04:48:01 PM
Dean...have a closer look.

Since it's between Christmas and New Years, I'm gonna rattle Rat Therat and see if he will

help me post a few more images before the first of the year. Keep watching.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on December 28, 2010, 04:58:48 PM
Doc, you send 'em to me, I'll post 'em.  :)


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on December 29, 2010, 10:53:09 AM
Freud did just what he said he would.  He sent me some images and I put 'em on the server:
http://www.target550.com/gallery/83_first_trip_to_the_wind_tunnel/index.html (http://www.target550.com/gallery/83_first_trip_to_the_wind_tunnel/index.html)

They're photos of the first trip to the wind tunnel and a comparison of the Treit and Davenport liner with a model of the Ken Walkey liner.  You can draw your own conclusions about the aerodynamics from the photos.  I don't know nuttin about aero stuff.  But it's an interesting group of photos.  I guess the proof will be seen on the salt.


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Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on December 29, 2010, 11:17:54 AM
Ray, you disappoint me.  All along I've thought that you knew a lot about aerodynamics -- and had used your knowledge to decide how to wear your hair.  Now I'm bummed - another styling cue shot down.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on December 29, 2010, 11:29:00 AM
The shaved head just makes it easier to get into a helmet.  :)  Besides...I save money on shampoo. 


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on December 29, 2010, 11:45:18 AM
He checks his aero by sticking his head out the window of the Burb when he's on the freeway.

If he can't breath he nos he's in a low pressure area.

Poor man's wind tunnel.

If the car speeds up he nos he's a good package.

FREUD


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Post by: Stan Back on December 29, 2010, 01:16:59 PM
Frued --

How'd you come by Ken's model.  Same scale, right?

Stain


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on December 29, 2010, 06:23:19 PM
Same model...........

Both were the same 1/10th scale.

I have no idea how Marlo worked that deal.

Butt......we did return it.

DuerF


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Tman on December 29, 2010, 06:32:23 PM
I asked Ray on the HAMB how the slurry is applied? Is it sprayed?


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on December 30, 2010, 10:26:12 AM
Freud told me that it's a mixture of fine powder (substance unknown at this time) and kerosene or mineral spirits. It's applied with a 3/4" brush. Then the model is placed in the wind tunnel and where the liquid doesn't evaporate shows up as a dark spot and is considered to be an area that isn't part of the flow layer surface...like a low spot.  I think I got that right.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on December 30, 2010, 01:05:14 PM
I talked to Marlo and was filled in with the details about slurry.

The main ingredient is Diatomaceous Earth. It is mixed with Jet A fuel and applied with the brush.

A substitute for Diatomaceous Earth is finely ground chalk board chalk. It's easier to buy Diatomaceous Earth.

In several instances just a specific area of the models was tested.

The 100 HP electric motor moves the air enough that the temp of the air raises 10F per minute. One result is that the JetA

evaporates more rapidly.  The second is that the calculations must be adjusted as the air temp rises.

Diatomaceous Earth can be bought in large quantities if you want to paint your car and see the air flow characteristics as you

drive down the road. It's available in pallet size quantities.

Call Stan Back for pricing.

FREUD



Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Tman on December 30, 2010, 02:29:02 PM
Wow! Thanks for the in depth report! :cheers:


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: 38flattie on December 30, 2010, 03:01:38 PM
I talked to Marlo and was filled in with the details about slurry.

The main ingredient is Diatomaceous Earth. It is mixed with Jet A fuel and applied with the brush.

A substitute for Diatomaceous Earth is finely ground chalk board chalk. It's easier to buy Diatomaceous Earth.

In several instances just a specific area of the models was tested.

The 100 HP electric motor moves the air enough that the temp of the air raises 10F per minute. One result is that the JetA

evaporates more rapidly.  The second is that the calculations must be adjusted as the air temp rises.

Diatomaceous Earth can be bought in large quantities if you want to paint your car and see the air flow characteristics as you

drive down the road. It's available in pallet size quantities.

Call Stan Back for pricing.

FREUD



 In the the drilling industry, we used to use a brand of diatomaceous called Mother Earth.When our brakes got wet, or started to slip, we would dust them with the stuff. Barite also worked, and was similar in consistency.

 


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on December 30, 2010, 04:03:47 PM
The year is winding down and here is another glimpse of the www.target550. com build site.

When Ray sends the url, I'll post it.

This is another example of small items taking a lot of time, but when they are done correctly the

first time, maybe they will never have to be revisited.

As I was headed toward the door, I saw these "hangers."

They is everwhere.

See you tomorrow for the year end somemary.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on December 30, 2010, 05:20:40 PM
Easy Open Instructions for todays post.

Thanks RAY

http://www.target550.com/gallery.htm#p42-44

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Tman on December 30, 2010, 05:46:25 PM
I like the paint marker "x" to show welds needed, good idea.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on December 30, 2010, 06:51:33 PM
Here's the direct url:

http://www.target550.com/gallery/84_new_plumbing_more_grapes/index.html (http://www.target550.com/gallery/84_new_plumbing_more_grapes/index.html)

It's about more "lines": air, fire suppression...you name it. Last but not least, Freud found more of Hume's grapes on the English Wheel upper arm. Don't ask me, I just report 'em.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on December 30, 2010, 09:22:26 PM
REMEMBER, the stem and the seeds are all part of Hume's crush.

I have never revealed that info to Therat.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on December 31, 2010, 12:44:01 PM
We will have a post later today.

From all of us involved with www.target550.com, HAPPY NEW YEAR.

We have been overwhelmed with the attention the website receives.

I am waiting for Therats message to the masses.

THANKS Folks.

FREUD



Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on December 31, 2010, 05:21:11 PM
Here's the url:
http://www.target550.com/gallery/85_happy_new_year/index.html (http://www.target550.com/gallery/85_happy_new_year/index.html)

Happy New Year from the Target 550 team!


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: SPARKY on December 31, 2010, 07:33:35 PM
Doc & Ray, 

THANKS----how do you guys feel, as the WINDOW through which we mere mortals get to peep at such a masterpiece being created by such artisans!

This build will be studied for a long time not only for what it may or may not have done in the future---but if for no other reason for the simple way in which very complex things maybe addressed & done.

 THANKS  to Marlo for dreaming big and Hume for striving for perfection on the small!  :cheers:


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Tman on December 31, 2010, 07:58:36 PM
Yes, thanks for ALL of your groups efforts! I first saw this car on a link on the HAMB. Was impressed from the start.  :cheers:


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: 38flattie on January 01, 2011, 09:19:29 AM
 Fabulous craftsmanship, cool technology, and a very well executed build
thread-Kudos, guys! :cheers:


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on January 05, 2011, 01:20:29 PM
When we quit posting daily on www.target550.com at the end of the year, Ray Therat must have had too much time to spare.

He redid the presentation of the thumbnail images and they look excellent. To change from one image to another, click on the

thumbnail on either side of the main image.

The first presentation for 2011 is in place.    

http://www.target550.com/gallery/86_plumbing_hoses_jfcracing_first_conference_2011/index.html

Besides images of the hoses related to the oil system we included a link to the company that made them.

www.jfcracing.com     is a racecar rebuild and restoration company. Their site represents them exceedingly well.

The hoses come from a need that they experienced and they solved it by putting in the equipment to make their

own hoses for their specific needs.  They are knockout and we appreciate their products and their excellent service.

So here's our first of many displays for 2011. I'd love it if the construction portion is completed this year.

FREUD



Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: desotoman on January 05, 2011, 02:39:41 PM
 :-D


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on January 05, 2011, 11:08:34 PM
When I was at Hume's shop today the door opened and Frank Martinez walked in.

He was looking at some parts that need to be duplicated in composite material.

As the chat progressed Hume asked him if he knew a certain fellow.  Yep, he did.

Seems that Hume worked only several buildings away from Frank in the Valley,  a  l o n g  time ago.

There must have been something in the air that developed these craftsmen cause a lotta  them

just happened along in that era and that area.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on January 08, 2011, 03:34:03 PM
New post today on www.target550.com.

It covers an alteration to  the water tanks, Jason and the rear panel finishing and Frank Martinez.

The url is :   http://www.target550.com/gallery/87_altered_water_tanks_heater_elements_composite_parts_panels/index.html

Enjoy.

FREUD





Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Rex Schimmer on January 09, 2011, 11:06:16 AM
Freud,
A comment on the tank heaters, it is acceptable to run the heater element in direct contact with water but I highly recommend that the element for the oil be in some sort of "well" which is typically a piece of tubing welded into the oil tank that the heater mounts into. Not knowing the watt density of the heater but assuming that it is high enough to heat the oil to operating temp relatively quickly so it is probably pretty high. What can happen is that the temperature of the heater right at its surface can be high enough to actually burn the oil and this will ruin the oils lubrication abilities. By using a well the same amount of energy is transmitted to the oil but over a larger area at a lower temp and you can prevent burning the oil. This is one reason that I prefer the external heating pads that can be wrapped around the outside of the reservoir.

Just my 2c.

Rex


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on January 09, 2011, 02:23:16 PM
REX, I always respect and appreciate your suggestions.

I'll forward this to Marlo and Hume.  It will be their call but I assure you, they will take it into their conversations.

This build has been ongoing for a longtime and things have changed. This principle has likely been known for longer

than the build, but if they decide it has merit the changes will be made to accommodate the sleeves.

It seemed to me as if the "oil warm time" , on the lakester,  was rather long and the quality of the oil was not compromised but I'll make

certain that they are advised.

Thanks for watching our backside.

Will I be able to meet you at the SCTA Awards Banquet?

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on January 09, 2011, 02:52:16 PM
It didn't take Marlo long to answer:

This was his reply:

Yes, you are right, the element cokes oil on it if the element is not treated and also we only run 600 watt heaters. 2 of them.  The heaters shown are water heaters and we do run them direct.  We also preheat the oil with a space heater if required time wise.  Yes, to heat 10 gallons takes a while and we do it until we get enough temp that the oil flow will not be a problem.  The smallest detail can be the most important.  I do not like to have the heater in a tube as the outside of the tube can also coke.  This way, we can pull the element when the oil is drained and look at it.  Two 600 watt oil specific heaters per tank.
Thanks for the eyeball.  We need it.
marlo

We appreciate the comments from the builders that follow this diary.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Dean Los Angeles on January 14, 2011, 04:54:32 PM
Some general questions. How many hours a day are the guys working? Days per week?

What are the total parts that will be composite? I have noted several through the diary and was wondering the total.

I would SURE like to see a web cam in the shop so that we can drool 24/7.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Tman on January 14, 2011, 09:14:09 PM
Yeah, a webcam would be wild. LSR Porn for car folk!


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on January 15, 2011, 12:54:48 AM
Dean the way I see it is that the front wheel fairings, now they are each in 3 pieces, and the rear fairings will be composite.

I know on the front that there is the piece in Frank's hand in the www.target550.com website, post 01-08-2011, image 087_007.

Then, as I remember, the piece behind the wheel will be two pieces. I suppose you may be able to answer your own question if u

go back far enough in one of the two build diaries.

In www.target550.com the post of 11-26-2010 has shots of the front fairing. Go to image 072_08 and you can see the split down the length

of the fairing. The two pieces attach to different parts of the car. One to the belly pan and the other to an outside  panel.

The rear fairings have not been designed yet so I can't comment on them. I can say that in www.target550.com the post of 09-10-2010, images 057_01

thru 057_07 shows the method that the rear fairings will be designed.

As soon as the front pieces are formed I will show them. There will be aluminum ones formed for the rear and they will be the male molds.

Jason has most of the rear panels finished. When they are ready to be attached the work on the rear fairings can start unless some

other portion takes priority. In the post for 01-15-2011 on www.target550.com I will show some detail information on the panels that cover the rear wheels.

Work is at a stand still on both sides until several small pieces come back from the anodizing shop. They will be riveted in place and then the panels can be finished.

In a week there are 12 man days of work unless the weather makes it difficult to get to Humes. Jason lives in eastern Washington and has to go

over 4300' Stevens Pass. Snow has no respect for the Treit/Davenport streamliner build schedule. Sometimes Jason gets to work a little late following

his weekend at home.

If you want to watch a webcam 24/7 go to www.phoebeallens.com. She built the nest and incubates the eggs all day every day.

Don't hold your breath for a web cam in Hume's shop. If they ever install one I'm done doing fotos. I want no one to see how inept I really am.

Thanks for following this project and thanks for asking realistic questions. We appreciate the interest.

There is a chance that we will have a question and answer session by the build crew of this car at the Bonneville NW Reunion, Friday night, Feb 18th at

the Shilo Inn, Portland Airport property.

Check www.bonnevillenwreunion.com for the activities.

FREUD








Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: SPARKY on January 15, 2011, 08:01:40 AM
"If they ever install one I'm done doing fotos.  :cry:  I want no one to see how inept I really am'.  :-o

My ASCOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :x



Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on January 15, 2011, 08:11:45 PM
I finally got in gear and did the post that I hoped would be done Friday.

The Bonneville Northwest Banquet too my time and I screwed off on the post.

I finally sent it to Ray Therat and he had his part done in a blink.

Here is the url:         http://www.target550.com/gallery/88_inside_detail_of_body_panel_&_special_screws/index.html

I showed a lot about the inside structure of one of the skin panels and an expensive screw.

Thanks for your interest.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on January 18, 2011, 02:09:20 AM
There will probably be a mid-week post this week.

The Rat has something hidden away and won't share it with me.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on January 19, 2011, 11:52:47 AM
As Freud prophesied, I have a mid-week surprise.  Jason sent me some photos of "the master practicing his craft", that is, he shot photos of Freud while Doc was shooting photos of the liner.  Jason said he didn't get much co-operation, but I think Doc was just "in the zone," getting the great photos he provides so frequently. 

In this post, you'll get a look from the other side of the camera.  Btw, Doc has a new Nikon 700D that's just fantastic and has such a sensitive sensor that he hasn't had to use a flash at all.  He asked if it made me consider switching camps...from the Canonites to the Nikonians.  If I had unlimited funds, I might consider it...but since I don't...well, I'll stick to my guns (cannons...er...Canons)  But that Nikon sure does a great job...as does Freud.

I hope you enjoy a different look at things.
http://www.target550.com/gallery/89_freud_at_work/index.html (http://www.target550.com/gallery/89_freud_at_work/index.html)

Ohh...as I wrote on the index page, there are no captions with the individual photos.  It has more to do with the size of the images than anything else, but I think they're pretty much self-explanatory.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on January 19, 2011, 12:00:05 PM
Well, well WELL ! ! ! !

So I didn't cooperate.  I just don't no how.

So I can get a shot back at my English Teacher web elf.

He is so reluctant to leave his Canon that he posted the name of my camera in Canon terms.

I am the only one with a Nikon hybrid D700 posted in Canon terms: 700D.

Thanks Pals,

FREUD



Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Peter Jack on January 19, 2011, 12:11:22 PM
You do well Freud. I always have my glasses hanging from my teeth when I look at rear screen. 8-) 8-) 8-)

Pete


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on January 19, 2011, 12:15:54 PM
Oops.  Yer right, Doc.  I spose I otta stick to stuff I know about. 

Peter, I agree.  He do VERY well, don't he?  :)  Btw, my glasses are pushed up on top of my head when I shoot, then come back down to look at the LCD.  Everybody has a different technique, I spose.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: desotoman on January 19, 2011, 03:32:06 PM

I hope you enjoy a different look at things.
http://www.target550.com/gallery/89_freud_at_work/index.html (http://www.target550.com/gallery/89_freud_at_work/index.html)


Ray,

Thanks for the insiders view. Lots of work goes into what Master Freud does. Taking the pictures is only half the work. The other half is done on his computer then sent to you. Thank you both for all you hard work, giving all of us an insight as to what it takes to build such a magnificent Streamliner. I know I really appreciate it.

Tom G.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Dean Los Angeles on January 19, 2011, 03:47:04 PM
Nice to see the Master at work. The first thing I looked for was dings on his head. When you need to make a shot you sacrifice the body to get the camera where it needs to be.

I have fewer dings on my head since digital cameras with swivel screens came out.  :roll:


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on January 19, 2011, 03:47:27 PM
So that's what he looks like in casual clothes.  I've only been with Freud on the salt (shorts and a t-shirt) and at the reunion (tuxedo, top hat, swallowtail coat).  Now we know what he's like in his spare time.

Nice photos, Jason (and Freud and RtR, for that matter).


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Richard 2 on January 19, 2011, 08:47:03 PM
RTR, or Freud, Are there any pictures of the splitter that Jim Hume designed on the front panels and nose I've been looking on the Target 550 site. Great Site
Thanks. Rick 


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on January 20, 2011, 01:08:46 AM
The underside of the splitter can be seen here:
http://www.target550.com/gallery/72_front_wheel_fairings/072_07_jpg.html (http://www.target550.com/gallery/72_front_wheel_fairings/072_07_jpg.html) and in a couple of other nearby images.

I talked with Freud tonite and he said that he'd try to make that the focus of his next shoot.  If he can't shoot it on the liner, he'll shoot it on the model.

Hope that helps,



Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: SPARKY on January 20, 2011, 08:53:51 AM
Doc.
  If you keep buying those long tailed shirts you will not be elgible for membership in the non exclusive Faternal Order of the "Cleaveage Brothers"

This build will be studied for years by fabricators, artist, designers and go fast wantabes thanks for being wiilling to share and to document---thanks to the whole team.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Richard 2 on January 20, 2011, 10:17:38 AM
Ray thanks, Is the splitter about a 1" wide? Unbelievable Build amazed at the beginning and still amazed.
Thanks Rick


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on January 20, 2011, 11:40:00 AM
I think the splitter is a little wider than an inch at the very front, but that's just a SWAG.  We've got a coupla posts "in the can" that'll show up in the next week or so, but then I think we're gonna get pretty comprehensive coverage on the nose and splitter.  I'd run over and measure it, but the commute's a bit long for me (I live in Utah.)  Actually, the commute isn't a real short one for Freud, either.  He's put a lotta miles on his car gettin these photos.

As far as being amazed, join the club.  I feel that way every time I see a new batch of photos.  I think Sparky has a handle on it: folks are gonna study this for a long time to come, based on the comprehensive nature of the coverage.  It's a "how-to" for building a liner.  I realize there's more than one way to skin a cat, but this cat's definitely gettin skinned!

Thanks for your interest in the project.  We'll do our best to get your questions answered in the upcoming posts.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on January 20, 2011, 12:21:53 PM
As I recall the splitter is about 1 3/4 " wide.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Richard 2 on January 20, 2011, 11:31:39 PM
Thanks men


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: hotrod on January 20, 2011, 11:50:05 PM
On this page of their web site, they mention a dimension for the splitter of 5/8 inch (although that might have changed over time and the web page never updated).

http://www.target550.com/project.htm

If you know the head size on the panel fasteners you could also scale the dimensions fairly closely from the picture Ray linked to.

Larry


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: desotoman on January 21, 2011, 01:59:15 PM
I stumbled across a new post on Target 550 so I thought I would share.
Tom G.

New Post
New Post
New Post http://www.target550.com/gallery/90_lift_hole_plastic_aero_inserts/index.html
New Post
New Post
New Post


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on January 21, 2011, 02:42:26 PM
I engaged my mouth before I had it washed out.

The splitter.

There are three different sizes.  There is one piece that is zero extension. It is needed to establish the location of any protruding splitter.

It is also an attachment point for the front section of the front wheel fairing. The post in www.target550.com of 01-08-11, image 087_007

shows that piece in Frank's hands.

There is one that protrudes 5/16" and the other set protrudes 9/16"

All of them have been anodized and are wrapped up to protect them.

My generous guess of 1 3/4" was completely off base. The size of these splitters may have very little relationship to any

other car whose top speed is considerably less than the goal for Treit/Davenport.

In the Target550 website, check the post of 12-08-2010, images 075_04 and 05.

Things change.

FREUD



Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Richard 2 on January 21, 2011, 06:54:43 PM
Thanks Freud, Those pictures show the splitter real well. Man the 550 liner is long. Wow!
Rick


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on January 22, 2011, 02:26:34 AM
43 feet.

Go to www.target550.com and when it opens, click on Specifications.   (Left Side)

No more guessing. It's all spelled out on that page.

GF


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Richard 2 on January 22, 2011, 10:04:03 AM
Ya, But those outside pictures of loading it put into perspective and put the WOW factor to it.
Rick


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on January 22, 2011, 12:22:27 PM
Glad you liked them.

It's fun presenting this diary.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on January 28, 2011, 02:24:39 PM
Ray Therat has done his job again.

Here is the url for todays post:  http://www.target550.com/gallery/91_throttle-fuel_cables_oil_drains_new_oil_pumps/index.html

The empty spaces are getting smaller and smaller.

Next weeks post will include the plumbing for the water tanks.

THANKS, Ray

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on February 04, 2011, 12:22:01 PM
The oil system plumbing is nearing completion.

The water tanks are now the project.

Next week I will have unique images of a very special piece to work in the confined area.

Here's todays link.

http://www.target550.com/gallery/92_its_all_plumbing/index.html

Enjoy

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on February 07, 2011, 04:38:04 PM
I just added a bit to the T-550 "News" page about an article in in the Granite Falls, Wa Herald entitled, "Praise for Granite Falls' car-building ShopGirls."
http://www.target550.com/news.html (http://www.target550.com/news.html)  There's also a link to a photo gallery of the the ShopGirls efforts to squeeze 678 mpg outta a gallon of diesel fuel.

I thought it was pretty kool that their team was praised by the US Secretary of Education.  In my opinion, they sure deserve it.

Hope ya enjoy it,


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: desotoman on February 07, 2011, 07:33:02 PM
Thanks Ray,

I enjoyed that, and hope they make their goal.

Tom G.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Schruiber on February 08, 2011, 11:05:57 AM
Thank you Ray and Freud.  Yesterday we took Iron Maiden and the 1:10 scale LSR-UC to the Shell Refinery in Anacortes for PR and got a tour - Note new team shirts - pink and green for the girls and yellow and blue for the UC team!


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Dean Los Angeles on February 08, 2011, 11:42:10 AM
I wish the girls the best in their efforts.

All they have to do is use 35 millionths of an ounce of fuel per foot. Slightly less than 2 ounces per mile.

Any time you want to wonder where GM hid the "200 mpg" carburetor during the 50's, just calculate the amount of heat released by 35 millionths of an ounce and it's obvious you aren't going to drag a heavy vehicle and get good mileage.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on February 08, 2011, 02:36:33 PM
A post with no writing.

There were some images that have been left behind and not used in recent posts so I bundled them

together and shot them off to Ray Therat.

The first two images will be explained in a soon to happen post.

Here's todays url:


http://www.target550.com/gallery/93_%20images_that_can%27t_be_overlooked/index.html

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: desotoman on February 08, 2011, 03:33:44 PM

Here's todays url:


http://www.target550.com/gallery/93_%20images_that_can%27t_be_overlooked/index.html

FREUD


(http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-score010.gif) (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on February 11, 2011, 01:23:06 PM
It's a little early in the day for our foto post but there will be one within the next 20 hours.

But, open www.Target550.com and have a read of the post called Unsung Heros.

This is Marlo's recognition of people who have contributed to the project.

Near the top of the page is a link that opens the new section.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: maguromic on February 11, 2011, 01:43:26 PM
FREUD and RTR,  Thanks for the excellent detailed pictures and  for teasing us with the build.  Every time I look at this build it leaves me wondering on how on earth can you improve on perfection.  Tony 


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Dean Los Angeles on February 11, 2011, 01:48:34 PM
Quote
He was the only one on the street who had a 600 amp three phase 480 volt power available and running to his garage.


Those fools that make houses for women. A real house for men would be a one bedroom house with a seven car garage. Well, those extra bedrooms do come in handy for parts storage.

If you have never had an engine stand with engine attached in the dining room then you are not getting the full usage out of the house.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on February 11, 2011, 02:01:44 PM
I had the boring bar, engine stand, made of 2 x 4's, in the dining room. Mom didn't know it until I started to bore the block.  circa 1951

Van Norman 777s boring bar

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: desotoman on February 11, 2011, 02:40:16 PM
Doc,

Great story on Mike Swickard. Sorry he left us so early, but nice to hear about his contributions to the build, and what a great machinist he was.

Thanks,

Tom G. 


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: hotrod on February 11, 2011, 02:59:05 PM
Quote
Those fools that make houses for women. A real house for men would be a one bedroom house with a seven car garage. Well, those extra bedrooms do come in handy for parts storage.

I told my Realtor that I was looking for a large garage with a house attached.

You are right something like a studio apartment attached to the garage with a large storage room in the back would be ideal.

Larry


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: desotoman on February 11, 2011, 03:17:52 PM
Quote
Those fools that make houses for women. A real house for men would be a one bedroom house with a seven car garage. Well, those extra bedrooms do come in handy for parts storage.

I told my Realtor that I was looking for a large garage with a house attached.

You are right something like a studio apartment attached to the garage with a large storage room in the back would be ideal.

Larry

What are you guys talking about. A house is not nearly big enough. What you need to look for is a Very Large Barn with living quarters above, and an Elevator for when you get old and cannot walk up steps. LOL. I am laughing but that is exactly what I am looking for NOW. That way you can have your Machine shop, Chassis shop, Welding shop, Engine Room, Car assembly room, Storage, and truck and trailer parking all under one roof.

Tom G.



Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Rex Schimmer on February 11, 2011, 05:19:23 PM
Garages and shops are like women's breasts, no such thing as "to big"!!!

Rex


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: maguromic on February 11, 2011, 08:30:33 PM
Tom, You forgot the clean room for engine assembly.  Tony


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Nexxussian on February 11, 2011, 08:53:57 PM
I think an old 2 room schoolhouse with another shop out back within a days drive of the salt is ideal.  :-D (not mine  :-( )

Freud, Ray, keep up the good work. :)


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: desotoman on February 11, 2011, 09:56:36 PM
Tom, You forgot the clean room for engine assembly.  Tony

Tony,

Clean Room is in the engine room. LOL Remember I said a Very Large Barn. LOL. I am looking for that in SLO County.
Tony I miss your updates on your car.

Tom G.

PS. Where is Wayno, and how is his Lakester coming along.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Richard 2 on February 11, 2011, 10:27:18 PM
What house? :?


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Dean Los Angeles on February 12, 2011, 04:06:37 PM
The Los Angeles Times answered this perfectly.
Long time members of the Mustang Owners Club of California and the Mustang Club of America, Molly and Stan Hyman rebuilt their house after the 1994 Northridge earthquake.
Or should I say they built a garage and attached a house to it.
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-garage-house-20110211,0,7252593.story (http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-garage-house-20110211,0,7252593.story)


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Glen on February 12, 2011, 06:33:13 PM
Garage isn't big enough.
 :cheers:


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: 4-barrel Mike on February 12, 2011, 06:56:22 PM
A good friend of mine, who, straying back to topicality, has known Marlo since the early days of the Coachman C.C. (whatever happened to the '56 sedan delivery with the beer tap in the dash?  :cheers: ), when confronted with a divorce that left him without a house, went to the city of Portland to see what he would have to do to build an apartment in his nice old brick building (containing an automotive business) in the inner industrial section of town.  When they requested $30k for a feasibility study (with no guarantees on results), he gave up that idea.

It's a cold, cruel world.

Mike


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Tman on February 12, 2011, 07:08:49 PM
We live in our shop. It started out as a "guesthouse" with a shop and we got a little carried away! :-D


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on February 12, 2011, 08:23:38 PM
Is there any forgiveness in this crowd?

I pulled myself away from the humming bird nest (www.phoebeallens.com) long enough to do this post.

http://www.target550.com/gallery/94_its_so_simple/index.html

Have a look at a small water connection on the left cyl head of the front engine. Now that it's done, the rear should be simple.

I said   SHOULD BE SIMPLE.

I hope u enjoy a glimpse into craftshmaship in action.

If this is boring, go to www.phoebeallens.com and see Mother Nature at her very best. But u better hurry. It could be only 50% tomorrow.

Do I usually steer u wrong? Not this time either.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Richard 2 on February 12, 2011, 09:57:17 PM
Thanks, Freud
 I would say that is Creative Craftsmanship Well Done.
Richard


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Rex Schimmer on February 14, 2011, 01:09:20 AM
Freud,
Looking at the part that goes into the head it appears that the O ring grove is made with a radius tool. True?

Rex


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Elmo Rodge on February 14, 2011, 06:34:36 AM
I think an old 2 room schoolhouse with another shop out back within a days drive of the salt is ideal.  :-D (not mine  :-( )

Freud, Ray, keep up the good work. :)
Hey. I resemble that remark.  :cheers:  Wayno


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on February 14, 2011, 11:12:47 AM
Rex, You are right.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Glen on February 14, 2011, 02:24:26 PM
Rex, being a static and low pressure seal I don't see a problem as long as the squeeze is enough. I know it don't meet MIL specs or the groove design in the Parker o-ring book but I have done this in the past as well.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: desotoman on February 14, 2011, 02:26:27 PM

I pulled myself away from the humming bird nest (www.phoebeallens.com) long enough to do this post.

FREUD

Doc,

I missed it, when did they leave the nest?

Tom


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Stan Back on February 14, 2011, 03:53:55 PM
Glenn --

I couldn't get it up(?).

Stan


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: maguromic on February 14, 2011, 04:59:28 PM
Glenn --

I couldn't get it up(?).

Stan

That sounds like a personal problem.  :-o Tony


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Nexxussian on February 14, 2011, 07:25:01 PM
I think an old 2 room schoolhouse with another shop out back within a days drive of the salt is ideal.  :-D (not mine  :-( )

Freud, Ray, keep up the good work. :)
Hey. I resemble that remark.  :cheers:  Wayno

Yeah, that's what I was talking about, you lucky fellah you. :D


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on February 15, 2011, 12:48:58 PM
Desotoman and any others

The first hummer fledged at 7:10 Monday morning and the second one only 3 minutes later.

I saw one of them just a few minutes ago in the tree next to the new nest. Mom was feeding it.

I have two shots of the fledge of Jay and I will attach one of them.

The screen shot is a slow shutter speed but his head is detailed enough to recognize.

Here is the link to the video when they fledged.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YBjINOHCS4  It has both leaving.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Richard 2 on February 15, 2011, 06:53:30 PM
That's pretty cool Freud. The colors are amazing too, Verything is brown and white here.
Richard


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on February 18, 2011, 12:02:30 AM
Since the Bonneville NW Reunion is Saturday and I am on the road Friday, Ray Therat was ready when I sent him

post 95. It relates to the plumbing of the water system. There are small details remaining in the oil and water systems

but it's coming together.

http://www.target550.com/gallery/95_water_lines_are_just_about_finished/index.html

That's the url for this weeks post.

Next week will be covering the new oil pans and a plug to kick you offin the porch.

Wish you were at the banquet with us.  Maybe next year.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on February 24, 2011, 03:02:50 PM
After the Bonneville NW Reunion, Ray Therat and I went to Jim Hume's shop to allow Ray to bond with the project.

He remained silent for a long time and then the questions started. Dave Jeffers did his best to inform him.

Here is the link to todays post on Target550.com:

http://www.target550.com/gallery/96_oil_filter_drain_hose_clamps_rat_view/index.html

A day early but it was convenient now.  ENJOY.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: WhizzbangK.C. on February 24, 2011, 06:01:53 PM
I'm curious to know why they chose to fab the water line fittings for the head the way that they did. To me it looks like they could have been made entirely from billet with interconnected drill bores and tapped to accept the fittings, making a more robust and vibration resistant part with less chance of failure. To my eye those fittings look to be a little on the weak side compared to the rest of the build.

Just re-read that and it sounds critical of me, rest assured I in no way believe myself to be qualified to critique anything on this build. I'm just trying to understand the decision behind it to better inform me for my own education. I stand in total awe of everything that I see every time I check in on this, which is every time you post an update. Just looking at this forces me to try to better my own fab skills, and disappoints me with what I turn out at the same time. :cheers:


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on February 24, 2011, 07:07:59 PM
W B K C

I'll answer you this weekend. Rite now I'm packing for a trip to cold country. When we get there I'll give u the specs of

those fittings.  Believe me......they are quite adequate.

I know the hoses were used to allow flexibility, not rigidity.

Your comments are welcome. Don't ever hold back on us. I will send an explanation every time.

FREUD





Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on February 24, 2011, 07:14:00 PM
Cold Country?  Freud, are you planning to visit Nancy?  If so, will you stick around long enough to spend a few minutes with me, too?


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on February 24, 2011, 09:35:42 PM
Just seeing Nancy may sap my energy.

If so, please be as close as 911 and help me on my way.

Actually I was planning to go back to Hume's shop and they had 13" of new snow.

Think Nancy will be there so I can see her?

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Richard 2 on February 24, 2011, 11:01:18 PM
Freud, Since you invited the Questions. A long time ago on this build I noticed they are using 5 hole wheels and 5 lug hubs. I was surprised they didn't use 8 lugs with heavier hubs and wheels.
Richard


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on February 25, 2011, 12:32:42 AM
I'm overwhelmed that we surprised you.

Thanks for telling us.

FREUD

oh, by the way, how many 8 hole wheels have u seem out there.

I guess I better start looking.

He doesn't intend to make many high speed turns.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Richard 2 on February 27, 2011, 06:58:05 PM
Freud,
I was thinking about the weght and speed.
I thought that the Golden Rod car used a heavy truck hub. Not sure of the stud count.
Richard


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on March 01, 2011, 06:25:44 PM
Richard, I went straight to Marlo regarding your question. Here is his reply.

What you don't see is the final product.  The lug nut has a built in washer about 1.250" in diameter and the lug nuts go over a retainer ring that applies the load all the way around.  The wheels are not lug nut centered, the wheel is hub centered and the lug nuts are not tapered.  We felt that with the fasteners/washered and the wheels hub centered there was plenty of load capability.  The current fuel dragsters use a 5 x 5.5 bolt pattern and a lug nut with washer on an aluminum wheel and most generally they are NOT hub centered.  And, they do have some real loads. Our wheel is also centered on the bearing so there is no static side load and the front end is king pin angle centered so there is NO scrub when the wheel/tire is deflected.
Thanks for the question.  I hope that answers it well enough.

Your question was appreciated and everyone benefits from the explanation.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Richard 2 on March 01, 2011, 11:08:14 PM
Thanks Freud


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: racergeo on March 02, 2011, 12:22:04 AM
  Holy cow Freud, if you keep coming up with answers like that we're going to have to catalogue them and call it " The complete Book of Bonneville Race Car Building Knowledge" as told to Freud. Then make a list of credits from everyone that has contributed on this site over the years. Probably be enough for 500 pages just from Marlo. LOL


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on March 02, 2011, 11:54:45 AM
Thank You, racergeo.  It's all been though out.

Ray Therat will be making a new post on www.target550.com in a few days.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on March 04, 2011, 12:29:31 PM
Getting Ray Therat out of his home area drove him to the floor. He decided to do a Rats Eye View and took a down under approach to

his fotos. He has done this new post and will also do the one for next week.

Have a look at his contribution:

http://www.target550.com/gallery/97_rats_eye_view_1/index.html

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Captthundarr on March 04, 2011, 12:48:09 PM
Great stuff, man I gotta by stock inthe cleco biz.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on March 04, 2011, 02:39:50 PM
We are in Boeing country and in the past Clecos were as abundant at the surplus store as cops are

at the Friday Peanut Night at the local tav.

They seems to have dialed the surplus store back but Hume won't run out of fasteners.

FREUD



Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Tman on March 04, 2011, 03:32:52 PM
Cleco envy from here as well! :cheers:


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: desotoman on March 04, 2011, 11:30:41 PM

Getting Ray Therat out of his home area drove him to the floor. He decided to do a Rats Eye View and took a down under approach to his fotos.

FREUD

Ray,

Sounds like you got to do the dirty work. FrEuD owes you big time for that. Thanks for your effort.

Tom G.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on March 05, 2011, 12:02:07 AM
Thanks, Tom.  I thought about this shoot well before doing it...and I decided that if a rat was a-gonna do it, he might as well do it from rat level.  It was actually kinda fun, crawlin around on the floor and seein stuff from a different angle. 

Over the last 2 daze (and daze is appropriate for the state I'm in) I've been shooting the local version of the Autorama.  First day I did a LOTTA low-level shots...which was the equivalent of several hundred deep knee  bends and several miles of walking.  Today I took the tripod and found that my knees and hips were so stiff from the previous day's fun and games that when I DID have to get down to a kneeling position, I considered calling 911 to help me get back up.  ("I've kneeled down and I can't get up!")

This is just the first stage in my annual training for the salt.  I've gotten fat and way outta shape over the winter, so I'm beginning my "rehab" so that I can survive the rigors of LSR photography (and if all the stars and planets line up, racing a different car in the 130 Club at WoS).  I've gotta lose 40 or so pounds so I can fit into my firesuit...or buy a new one.  Kind of a strange position to be in for a guy who couldn't (try as I might) get over 125 lbs until I hit the age of 40.  Now I'm tryin to get back down to 150.

The "Rat's Eye View" thing was helpful in that respect.  But I'm gonna need a day's bedrest after the last coupla days behind the camera. 

Stay tuned for the next installment of the "rat's eye view." This one will assume a bipedal rat, cuz I shot most of 'em from a kneeling position.  Yep, more deep knee bends.  I think you'll like the next post, tho.

I'm exhausted, so I'm just gonna say, "G'nite."



Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on March 11, 2011, 12:20:10 PM
Ray Therat has posted the second edition of his trip to Hume's following the Bonneville NW Reunion.

He raised up to eye level and snapped away.

This is the direct link to his post:   

http://www.target550.com/gallery/98_rats_eye_view_2/index.html

Ray and Dave have a heart to heart.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on March 12, 2011, 12:27:53 PM
The second person recognized in the Unsung Hero portion of www.target550.com  is Marlo's longtime friend, Captain Cress Baxter.

Read how the relationship developed and what an influence it had on Marlo's life.

There's the link:  http://target550.com/unsungheroes.html#bax

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: desotoman on March 14, 2011, 11:22:12 PM
Great read. Sets the background for the build. Thanks.

Tom G.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on March 17, 2011, 11:46:45 PM
Be patient viewers. My tail is draggin' from 2 weeks of being drug thru the dung backwards.

Our post may not be until late Friday.

Marlo goes out of town and the kids forget the time line.

Ray Therat didn't create the holdup.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: charlie101 on March 18, 2011, 12:01:32 AM
Following this outstanding build and live documentary here isn't a right, it's a privilege thus no condition, apart of the ones you put on yourself, could be put on you in my opinion. I'm greatful for any crum that fall of the table... :cheers:


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on March 18, 2011, 01:30:43 AM
Let's also not overlook the fact that Freud hasn't been feeling all that great himself and is usin some new and unfamiliar software.  I think he deserves a little consideration in this respect.

We'll get some new stuff out on Friday, but it prolly won't be the very first thing in the morning.



Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Peter Jack on March 18, 2011, 01:47:10 AM
That's 'cause you're staying up too late at night Ray! :evil:

Pete


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on March 18, 2011, 02:05:17 AM
Uhhh...ya think?


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Dean Los Angeles on March 18, 2011, 10:04:48 AM
We humble servants of the Gods of Speed await the next missive from on high.

Grumbly and impatient, but we wait.

As the next piece is crafted and fabricated and installed we all lean a little closer listening in the distance for that crisp sound of a blown motor firing up.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on March 18, 2011, 11:27:46 AM
Now that I have looked at the baby hummingbirds, www.phoebeallens.com, looked at the prices for the Charlie Sheen appearance at Comcast Arena in

Everett, $50-$500 and must be 18 years old, dried the Compact Flash card that went through the washing machine, sniffed the new gardenia blossom in the bedroom, groomed our Persian cat and

rearranged my neck ties according to color and descending length, I can consider doing the post.

Frank Martinez brought his demo piece for the underbody wheel fairings. I'll show that piece and explain what's great about

it.

Go back to the post from 01-08-2011, 087-007 for the review.

It's surprising what extent they pursue to make the new piece "just right."

There will be a short interruption while I go eat the Portabella Mushroom Omelette that Doris made for me. She only cooks this

special treat on the Friday before full moon in the month of the Spring Equal Nockers.

I asked Ray Therat to develop a computer program that would include the fragrance of the Gardenia in a foto. He is having trouble.

 The gardenia makes him sneeze so this will be just the image.

I'll get started on the post soon.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on March 18, 2011, 09:54:26 PM
Thanks for not shouting at me.

The post for this week is done. It drops back to my last post and finishes off the oil system plumbing

and then transitions to the Kevlar pieces under the car for the streamlining around the wheels.

So far only the fronts have been addressed. Hume is working on the rear fairings and it will be a while before they

are completed.

Frank Martinez is a well qualified builder and I look forward to the follow up to this post regarding the replaceable parts.

Here is the link:   http://www.target550.com/gallery/99_finishing_oil_system_beginning_composite_components/index.html

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Kiwi Paul on March 20, 2011, 12:22:12 AM
Freud---You are a Bloody Gem...Mr Therat the same. Hope to visit as per my invite before too long.... :cheers:


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on March 20, 2011, 11:35:33 AM
Kiwi, when u come to visit, bring your passport so I can send u directly home if your

deportment turns deplorable.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on March 25, 2011, 11:15:31 AM
Patience fellows. I'll have a post later today.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on March 26, 2011, 01:11:49 PM
Friday turned into Saturday. There is still another post regarding the pans and it may be posted before next Friday.

This shoot has been over at least 2 months and sorting out the images turned out to be a bigger chore than I anticipated.

I hope you enjoy it.

http://www.target550.com/gallery/100_oil_pans/index.html

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on March 26, 2011, 05:14:17 PM
Don't let this slip past you. They are marvelous.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: desotoman on March 26, 2011, 08:03:33 PM
Doc,

The pans look great, but I think the block needs some major work. LOL.

Thanks,

Tom G.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Tman on March 26, 2011, 08:07:41 PM
Doc,

The pans look great, but I think the block needs some major work. LOL.

Thanks,

Tom G.

Thats the oil cooler port! :-D


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on March 27, 2011, 10:38:34 AM
What a marvelous response to the oil pan post.

The conclusion will be during this week with about 20 more fotos.

We are overjoyed that you liked it.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: desotoman on March 27, 2011, 12:40:22 PM
What will this quick release be used for? Looks similar to ones used for steering wheel disconnects.

Tom G.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Dean Los Angeles on March 27, 2011, 02:06:36 PM
For those of you sitting on the sidelines that have never done anything like this, a couple of notes.

If you try to drill of machine a thin piece of metal the force needed to penetrate pushes the metal down and the results are less than optimal. The cutting surface grabbing the piece and making a whirling skin slasher is another problem.
It's amazing how much time you spend making one-off jigs. The aluminum bar clamps the material to the wooden support block. The bend on the other side makes it rigid enough, otherwise you would clamp both sides.
(http://www.target550.com/gallery/100_oil_pans/100_007.jpg)

Take a wild guess how much time was spent making this. Include time wandering around looking for likely pieces in the first place. Countersinking the screws . . . After you find some screws. Finding a comfortable welding position has a HUGE impact on the results. Every time you weld something in an odd body position and the result is less than optimal you kick yourself for not taking the effort to do something like this.
(http://www.target550.com/gallery/100_oil_pans/100_008.jpg)

To clarify, a "back purge" is indeed something you do after refried bean night at the taco factory. :-D

You haven't lived until you weld thin sheet metal. My first efforts a long time ago looked like . . . well, you know. TIG welding uses argon, an inert gas to keep the oxygen in the air from reacting with the base metal and making an oxide. Oxides of the base metal are never a good thing. The argon provides a shield to push away the air and doesn't react with the weld. Since you are melting all the way through the sheet metal to weld it, protecting the back side is important. It's not often you see someone do it. Tells you a lot about the quality of this build.

Welding the thin sheet metal to the much thicker pan rail is another adventure. Most of the heat has to go into the thicker part. So obvious you say, until you try it. Thick or thin everything warps from the heat. That's why the rail is machined after welding even though it was flat to start with.

Some things have enough stress built up in them that the metal removed from machining causes another round of warping. It's all sooo fun.

You realize that this is just a fancy bed pan. No function other than to catch some oil. It's still a gorgeous work of art.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on March 27, 2011, 07:26:35 PM
Dean, you have rewarded me.  The first images of the pan were shot February 3rd. The last were done last week and the total was 581 shots.

That's a lot to sort thru and attempt to make a story flow.  Within the next hour the final section of the pan build will be posted.

I certainly want to THANK YOU for several things. First, sometimes I think the detail isn't as necessary as what I pursue, but when you saw that

the holes in the welding support were countersunk..... it was all worth it. There was no way that a screw head was going to be clamped against

the finished metal, but that's Jim's way of doing things in every instance.

The second part was your explanation of back purging. I had already included two pages of text and the small area below each print would have

challenged me to "stay within the lines." Generally I attempt to let the fotos tell the story instead of relying on words to paint the picture.

You bailed me out. The total time to do the two posts was just over 8 hours. Pulling the 500+ fotos out of the pictures of other parts of the

build was a challenge. Ray Therat has bragged about a foto management software called ACDSee Pro4. I bought that about 2 weeks ago and

it has been a great tool. It made 4000 pictures available to me with just a click of the mouse. What a help.

I appreciate your comments and your appreciation of the project. I'll try to keep the posts as interesting as possible.

Thanks again,

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on March 27, 2011, 07:39:21 PM
It's sorta like a kid with a new bike.  Ya can't wait to ride it.

When I had the second half of the oil pan post done, I sent it to Ray Therat. We decided to use it right now.

Nobody has to wait to ride their new bike.


http://www.target550.com/gallery/101_studs_and_plug/index.html


That opens the door to the second section of the dry sump oil pan build.

Now all I have to do is prepare another post for this week.........Oh well..........

Thanks for everyones interest.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Peter Jack on March 27, 2011, 10:28:52 PM
Freud, you and Ray continue to do great work. We who are too far away to see the project in person really appreciate the effort.

Thank-you. :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

Pete


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: desotoman on March 27, 2011, 10:36:35 PM
What will this quick release be used for? Looks similar to ones used for steering wheel disconnects.

Tom G.

Well I was way off on that one. I guess that is what I get for poking fun of the block.

Tom G.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on March 28, 2011, 10:57:52 AM
Thanks for the responses and the personal e-mails that I have received.

it's fun to be able to show all of you the progress, however slow it may be, on the car.

Springtime is beginning to show and so is the success in completion of many of the small details that

take so much time and thought.

I forgot to show the drain plug after it was installed in the pan.

It was a group of fotos that I just overlooked.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on March 28, 2011, 06:53:27 PM
Just a reminder......check the post from yesterday on target550.com.

http://www.target550.com/gallery/101_studs_and_plug/index.html

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: 38flattie on March 28, 2011, 07:00:26 PM
Freud, Ray, this is great!

I really dig that oil pan post. In fact, it reminds me that I've completely forgot about getting one made.

Keep up the great work and awesome pics!


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on March 28, 2011, 09:27:05 PM
Thanks flattie..........

It's fun to follow the different parts of this build.  I hope that I can convey some of the excitement

that I enjoy as we do these posts. I am constantly amazed by how this build flows considering that

there are parts now being built and fitting in, as they do, in a build that is over 11 years along.

Jason is winding up the tail skin fit and finish. The rear wheel under fairings are started. Jim is

building the bucks to form the aluminum originals. There are always small parts that Dave machines

and it seems that I need to do fotos more frequently so that there are not big holes in the history.

As soon as the composite pieces are finished, I'll do a post on them. I have some ideas what will be

newly completed each week but I too am constantly surprised.  Hang in there with me and share my

excitement.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on March 29, 2011, 04:10:04 PM
Have a look at todays post.

http://www.target550.com/gallery/102%20_pan_filter_battery_box/

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Richard 2 on March 29, 2011, 08:54:49 PM
Freud, Ray, Thanks for the new post they're Great. I was wondering how they fasten the screen mess to the oil pickups.
Thanks Rick


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on March 29, 2011, 09:33:20 PM
Rick, I haven't seen the pickups after the screens were attached, if they are attached.

I'll take a look tomorrow and post a reply on Landracing.com even before I do a foto post on target550.com

Thanks for asking.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on March 30, 2011, 06:59:08 PM
Rick, I did the fotos of the screens today. I'll include them in the next www.target550.com post.

The screens are held in place by a tiny wire section that pierces the sides of the screen and are welded to both

sides of the oil pickups.

Thanks for asking.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Richard 2 on March 30, 2011, 08:46:30 PM
Thanks Freud


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on April 02, 2011, 03:40:44 PM
I'll try to get a post on www.target550.com yet today or early Sunday.

Patience please.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on April 03, 2011, 11:25:35 AM
Ok, so I'm a day late and 5 gallons short.

Here's the latest target550.com post.

http://www.target550.com/gallery/103_pipes_screens_woodwork/

There's a lot to look at. Have fun.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on April 03, 2011, 01:56:16 PM
Richard2. The method of retaining the screens in the oil pick up tubes is answered in the most recent

post on www.target550.com

Sorry I hadn't informed u sooner.

Thanks for the question.  

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on April 07, 2011, 11:25:05 AM
Check the NEWS section of www.target550.com for an update on the students from Granite Falls, WA Manufacturing class.

The Everett Herald newspaper did a story relating to their trip to Houston for the Shell Eco Marathon. They left yesterday and

the event starts Friday.

FREUD



Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Glen on April 07, 2011, 11:48:48 AM
I was thinking after reading this article that when I was in high school (JR & Sr.) were  in the same school. I would say close to 90% of the male students took at least 3 years of auto shop, yep even a couple of girls. I took every shop course they had including drafting and print shop.

I don't think most of these are available in schools today. I also thinking they are missing a great way to learn how to do things instead of paying someone else to fix it. After leaving California and moving to Utah I see a lot of kids that have grown up around farms and were part of the daily life. They had chores and helped to keep it going, they also have school and sports that came first before fun and games. A lot of mechanical things had to be done daily and I see the difference in their attitudes. I really enjoy seeing this over the big city life styles of today.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on April 07, 2011, 12:24:11 PM
This was posted in todays Everett Herald site.

http://www.heraldnet.com/article/20110405/NEWS01/704059896/1122/COMM0607

She made some corrections from the original story.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on April 08, 2011, 12:18:38 PM
Here is the url for todays post:

http://www.target550.com/gallery/104_tailskin_rear_wheel_fairings/index.html

Wood chips have replaced some metal chips and the wheel fairings are underway.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: manta22 on April 08, 2011, 12:58:04 PM
You can never have too many clecos!

Regards, Neil   Tucson, AZ


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on April 08, 2011, 05:57:13 PM
You may be right, Neil, but I think Hume's tryin to disprove that theory.  :)


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on April 08, 2011, 06:36:24 PM
Whats the general consensus regarding the number of cycles a Cleco is good for?

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: manta22 on April 08, 2011, 06:47:30 PM
Freud;

I have never seen one 'worn out". They are usually damaged by mishandling well before that. Some are ruined by epoxy or sealant, they are dropped on the floor and bent, or pulled out without being fully depressed, which wears off the undercut shoulder. Of course they can even be left out to rust-- poor workmanship can ruin an anvil, after all.

Taken care of, a Cleco should last a lifetime.

Regards, Neil   Tucson, AZ


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on April 08, 2011, 07:44:41 PM
Neil, if Doris and I ever have another child I will name it Cleco.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Richard 2 on April 08, 2011, 09:03:09 PM
Freud, Ray, You've out done yourselves great work.
 Although, I think I know what Jim Hume is thinking in that last picture (104 020) you have to ask yourself what's Jim Hume thinking.
Jim great craftmanship,very nice.
Thanks Richard


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on April 08, 2011, 10:17:02 PM
Thanks, Richard.  Most of the credit goes to Freud for the great photos and capturing the essence of what's happening as the construction progresses and those great shots of Hume pondering.  If you knew what he was thinking, you might not wanna know, yanno?  :)


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: charlie101 on April 08, 2011, 11:04:22 PM
I'm wondering how the growth and contraction is compensated with the thin aluminium skin and the sturdy metal frame from the hot and cold temperatures. Weather temperature in night and noon for one example, hot engines on the other, and from the sun and shade on the car's different sides on the track? An aeroplane grows a lot in high altitude flight but I think the frame construction and similar materials is compensating for that, but whatabout the liner? If the aluminium panels is fitted with that kind of precision and all those countless rivets in reamed holes to an unforgiving steel frame, wouldn't the liner would look like a waffled banana at the end of the track?? Break the news gently if Treit forgot all about that and have to start from scratch again! :mrgreen: I guess I can use the scrap for patching a shed I got here... :-D


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Richard 2 on April 09, 2011, 06:38:31 PM
That's probably why it is riveted instead of welded.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Glen on April 09, 2011, 06:58:23 PM
Marlo has been in the aircraft business for many years and knows about aircraft construction as does a few others on the project. I doubt if there will be a problem.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: charlie101 on April 09, 2011, 07:14:06 PM
I didn't honestly thought it would be a problem, but riveting alone doesn't solve all issues, or does it? I wouldnt mind a deeper explanation in the topic from someone or anyone that have been in the aircraft business for many years and knows about aircraft construction. How can you have control of such fine tolerances with a skin like that on a frame like that. Surface is a carrying idea in the aero departement.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Richard 2 on April 09, 2011, 07:45:06 PM
I'm sure the small panels help 


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on April 12, 2011, 06:37:31 PM
I just left Michael Werner from a mall in Everett, WA. He is the teacher at Granite Falls HS Manufacturing class in Granite Falls, WA.

The two cars that were entered in the Shell Eco Marathon arrived in Houston about 11:30 AM, PDT.

Tomorrow morning they can enter the pit area and their pit site can be set up so when the crews arrive it's all ready for them.

Sound like anything salt flat racers experience?  They are experiencing the same excitement we experience for Speed Week.

Michael will be posting their experiences and results on Landracing.com.

Target550.com extends all the best wishes to them as they challenge the world in this event.

They exactly parallel most race teams that race on the salt or at El Mo.

The things that didn't go on the trailer are being packed in suitcases. Oh well, it's nice the crew can make certain that what's needed

will be there.

Marlo, Jim, Jason, Dave, Ray Therat and I hope that the time and sweat they have put into this project give them satisfaction.

Their next event is World of Speed.

Then eall of us can meet this remarkable group of students, their teacher and support team at B'ville.

My Thanks to USFRA for allowing them to participate in their dream event.

They are experiencing the same rush we do when Speed Week is only days away

We will all meet them on the Salt.

Go for it Shop Girls and Urban Concept crew. Blow their doors off.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on April 12, 2011, 06:42:59 PM
We will have a mid week post on target550.com this week.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on April 12, 2011, 06:48:32 PM
"Go for it Shop Girls and Urban Concept crew. Blow their doors off."

I'll second that, even tho Freud mentioned me in his post.  May the racing gods be with them.




Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: SPARKY on April 12, 2011, 07:07:02 PM
 :cheers:


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on April 12, 2011, 09:46:23 PM
THANKS Spark.  They are a GREAT group and a new branch on the tree of LSR competition.

They will show up at B'ville in a few years with the same excitement as we had in the 50's and 60's

and probably be better prepared.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on April 13, 2011, 10:58:02 AM
I did some clean up and collected some miscellaneous fotos so a new midweek post.

http://www.target550.com/gallery/105_clean_sweep_down_fore_and_aft/index.html

That url will open it for you.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on April 14, 2011, 11:53:48 PM
I talked to Michael Werner in Houston tonight.

Both cars are thru tech, the girls had several small changes to pass, and they are ready for the events.

I'll hear from Michael or he will post on Landracing.com after their events.

Go Strong, Shop Girls and Urban Concept team.

FREUD, Target550 and all the Pacific Northwest.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on April 15, 2011, 05:29:19 PM
EARLY WARNING.

Go get another cold one fellows. No Friday post.

This next post will be so large that I can't complete it today.

The mid week post slowed me down some and there is so much happening that I will

just keep plugging until I am almost caught up.

We will have a post Saturday.

Keep your eyes open for a post from the Granite Falls teams at Houston.

They just made it on NPS and the audio will be available tonight around 7:00PM EDT: another half hour.

http://www.npr.org/2011/04/15/135438411/students-strive-for-fuel-economy-in-vehicle-contest.

In this build diary they are T-2011-what's behind the number?

Great detective work, Midget.

FREUD and Ray...........


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: 38flattie on April 15, 2011, 07:23:38 PM
No Friday post?! I need my fix!

Here's wishing the Shop Girls luck! :cheers:


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on April 16, 2011, 01:18:13 AM
Ray will be posting Saturday morning.

It's the largest post so far.

Enjoy it and let us know.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on April 16, 2011, 09:02:26 AM
By changing the clearance between the rear wheel fairings and the ground a major rebuild is required.

Compare the original ones to the altered pieces. Jason has enclosed the roll bar area with a skin that

is removable when it was never planned to be that way. Dave is mounting the clutch save cylinders

and the Genies have been located.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: desotoman on April 16, 2011, 01:15:40 PM

By changing the clearance between the rear wheel fairings and the ground a major rebuild is required.

FREUD

Sorry to hear about a major rebuild. I love the fact that nothing is over looked in this build. JMO this car will end up in the Smithsonian. Thanks again to Freud and Ray for keeping us up to date on the build. Thanks also to Marlo who had the foresight for such a project, to Hume and crew for getting it done, and to Les Davenport who is a wizard in his own right and CNC guru.

Tom G. 


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on April 16, 2011, 01:40:31 PM
Tom, the pizza is in the mail.

THANKS

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: SPARKY on April 16, 2011, 02:01:44 PM
The glass security case that it will take to display this jewel will have to be huge :roll:


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on April 16, 2011, 02:02:12 PM
Yup.  I'll be sending you some green Jello fro Utah, Tom.  (For those who don't know, that's a Utah delicacy.) 

Thanks for the kind words.



Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on April 16, 2011, 09:55:44 PM
Having grown up in a machine shop I am always impressed with what I see.

One thing is craftsmanship, but innovation makes craftsmanship possible.

It's all under that roof.

When this is complete I hope they make real diamonds or modernize women.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on April 17, 2011, 09:03:42 AM
What's a "modern" woman, Freud?

"I've finally met the perfect girl,
I couldn't ask for more.
She's deaf and dumb and oversexed
And owns a liquor store."

Issat what you've got in mind?


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Captthundarr on April 17, 2011, 09:32:21 AM
I found mine, likes beer, likes hot cars, likes to drive fast and stays on my butt to get HER race car finished. :cheers:


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on April 17, 2011, 10:13:21 AM
These are all possibilities.........


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on April 22, 2011, 11:43:13 AM
Another few days before a post.

I'm slow and Therat is getting cleansed in Las Vegas.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on April 23, 2011, 10:51:40 PM
There will be a new build diary posted Sunday AM.

I hope no one stayed up all night just to be the first to access it.

Hey Dad, Jason is smiling.

Hello Australia.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on April 24, 2011, 12:12:38 AM
I lied. Ray Therat came home early and did the post.

http://target550.com/gallery/107_clutch_activation/index.html

Have fun and a marvelous Easter Day.

FREUD and all the others.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: desotoman on April 24, 2011, 12:36:39 AM
Freud,

Do you know that the chocolate eggs that the Easter Bunny leaves goes great with Red Wine. You have a Great Easter Day also.

Tom G.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: 38flattie on April 24, 2011, 09:24:32 AM
Freud,

Do you know that the chocolate eggs that the Easter Bunny leaves goes great with Red Wine. You have a Great Easter Day also.

Tom G.

So, are you going to change the name to Merlot Treit's Liner? :evil:

Happy Easter Everyone!


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Rex Schimmer on April 24, 2011, 10:24:15 AM
Freud,
Next time you are at the shop ask Jim what grade of plywood does he use for his bucks? It looks like marine grade, but it sure makes very clean bucks. Just wondering as some day I hope to be doing a buck for what ever I build and I am impressed with the quality of Jim's bucks.

Rex


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on April 24, 2011, 10:43:34 AM
Flattie......you are disgusting.

What would happen to the nose of the 'liner if we hit it with a full bottle of wine?

We plan to christen it with an incandescent light bulb because we aren't supposed to use them anymore.

That would be our guiding light.

Send the wine to me. I'll make certain it is used for medicinal purposes.

HAPPY EASTER to all of the people that follow this thread. We love you.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: 38flattie on April 24, 2011, 10:53:18 AM
 :-D :-D :cheers:


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: WOODY@DDLLC on April 24, 2011, 07:28:03 PM
These folks are in Santa Rosa - I buy it at Bigg's! Put the liner on the label and I am good for a case!  :-D


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: SPARKY on April 24, 2011, 10:01:18 PM
 :cheers:


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on April 24, 2011, 11:53:49 PM
Woody....You are creative, I assure you.

I'll see if we can make a label.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on April 28, 2011, 05:39:05 PM
Since I will be on the road to Gas Up Friday and Ray Therat will be shooting road racers this weekend our post for this week will

be done early Friday AM.

I won't access have to the url but just go to www.target550.com for the post regarding the enclosures for the tires and wheels.

They were spun from 18 gauge stainless and it even required a special annealing step to allow the outside edges to be formed.

Next week there will be more to show about the rear wheel fairings and the plumbing for the clutch slave cyls.

See u next time and I'll try to post some images from Gas Up both Friday night and Saturday AM. Look under Upcoming Events.

I'll be in Beautiful Buellton and Ray will be in snowy Salt Lake.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on April 29, 2011, 12:41:51 AM
I lied. Ray didn't take a nap. He did the post.

http://www.target550.com/gallery/108_tire_&_wheel_enclosures/index.html

That will lead you to this weeks post.

More wheel fairings and clutch slaves next week.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on April 29, 2011, 10:02:45 AM
Just so everyone knows, take a look at www.target550.com for the latest post.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: sabat on April 30, 2011, 07:42:48 AM
Great pictures and documentation as always, thank you.  :cheers:


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on May 05, 2011, 10:15:32 AM
It seems to me that we will be making a post Friday.

I'm just about recovered from the Gas Up trip.

The post will involve the plumbing for the clutch slaves.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Dean Los Angeles on May 05, 2011, 01:27:24 PM
Quote
The post will involve the plumbing for the clutch slaves.

Ooooh, the clutch slaves. Will it also involve whips and chains?


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on May 05, 2011, 01:41:15 PM
No, but it will include nuts and nipples.

I hope we can keep your attention.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Dr Goggles on May 05, 2011, 04:46:04 PM
No, but it will include nuts and nipples.
FREUD

....and fluids too no doubt, just try and keep the bleeding to a minimum.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Captthundarr on May 06, 2011, 02:39:30 PM
No, but it will include nuts and nipples

He said nipples :-o :-o, love the build.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on May 06, 2011, 07:04:05 PM
I just returned from a funeral for my cardiologist. He had cared for me for 29 years and was a real guy.

I just wish he could have been scattered behind Dave Davidson's roadster. He was a 300 MPH dude.

http://www.target550.com/gallery/109_hydraulic_clutch_cylinder/index.html

This link will take you thru the plumbing for the clutch slave units.

Remember to go back a post or two and see the cyls, their mounts and the flex line that connects to the stainless tube.

FREUD



Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on May 06, 2011, 07:53:40 PM
Freud, I asked Ray this one and he didn't have the answer -- said he'd have to ask you for it.  So - I'll do that in person.  Here's a copy of what I asked him (on Facebook) about today's post:

"Ray -- how come in #109-009 Wilbur and Orville are the large lines, but in 110-010 they're referred to as being the smaller lines. Hunh?"


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on May 06, 2011, 09:05:59 PM
Since we are dealing with correctness I will make one correction.

You will have to make the other one. I hate dealing with clairvoyance.  We have not had Post 110 yet. Todays post is

109 so I can't help you regarding Post 110. I'll try to make certain that I have no line copy in Post 110-010.

From the right hand side here is the arrangement for the lines.

The two to the extreme right are for Orville and Wilbur.

The two larger fittings, near the center, are for the clutches.

The three small lines (extreme left side) are color coded Red, White and Blue. Those are the codes for First gear, Second Gear and Third gear

in the transmissions.

Thanks for notifying me of the mistakes.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on May 07, 2011, 09:15:21 AM
The numbers I included (i.e. 109-009) are the photo ID numbers, not post numbers.  I erred in the second one -- should have been 109-010.  Sorry.  The question still stands, though.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on May 07, 2011, 10:46:50 AM
It's answered in reply #679 and also in the current post on Target550.com.

You do not understand that 109 is the post number and 009 is the image number

Please check and see if I am incorrect in my corrections.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on May 07, 2011, 11:36:39 AM
Sunday is Mothers Day.

Check our Mothers Day post.

http://target550.com/gallery/110_mothers_day/index.html

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on May 07, 2011, 12:49:24 PM
Okay, now it reads correctly.  Thanks.  Just being pernickety. . .  No, there is no "s" in that word -- although common usage allows it because so many folks do put one there.  Look it up.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Dean Los Angeles on May 07, 2011, 02:03:15 PM
ok, OK, OK.

Pernickety. You are technically correct and functionally wrong.

Pernsnickety is the customary U.S. usage. Pernickety is the archaic and British form of the word.

The definition says it all:

Pernickety
Definition
Giving too much attention to small details which are not important in a way that annoys other people.

Amen brother!


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: 4-barrel Mike on May 07, 2011, 04:04:06 PM

Lynda, correct spelling is "pernickety" -- there's no "s" in that word.  Really -- look it up if you don't believe me.

Okay, now it reads correctly.  Thanks.  Just being pernickety. . .  No, there is no "s" in that word -- although common usage allows it because so many folks do put one there.  Look it up.

Consistency: same basic statement, same basic answer: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/persnickety (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/persnickety)  :mrgreen:

Mike


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on May 08, 2011, 07:09:32 AM
Hey - you guys tryin' to tell me sumpin?


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Dean Los Angeles on May 08, 2011, 02:18:49 PM
Quote
Hey - you guys tryin' to tell me sumpin?

Well, I'm torn between labeling you archaic or British. Hmm, choices . . .


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: fredvance on May 08, 2011, 05:38:11 PM
Well we know he is not British, although he does talk funny. :evil: Archaic yeah. :cheers:


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on May 14, 2011, 01:18:58 AM
Latest post.

OK, here Ya go:

http://www.target550.com/gallery/111_plumbing_&_passing_on/index.html

Little lines and lot'sa nipples with nuts on them..

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: manta22 on May 14, 2011, 11:28:09 AM
Freud;

Those lines look pretty vulnerable down there.

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on May 14, 2011, 01:14:39 PM
I'll be certain to pass your opinion on to Jim.

For all I know they may be planning an enclosure over them.

I just foto what I can see on any given day and don't ask many questions.

Thank You for the response.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on May 20, 2011, 11:22:21 AM
Freud is on vacation and doesn't have internet access.  He's heading home today, but called me last nite and asked if I'd report the weekly update.  No problem.  Here's the url:
http://www.target550.com/gallery/112_a_look_at_2007/index.html (http://www.target550.com/gallery/112_a_look_at_2007/index.html)

This post is a look back at the state of the liner in 2007.  You can compare the latest photos in the previous few posts to see the progress that's been made.  This is one of the photos, showing a high-level conference between Hume and Marlo...or they could be discussing the weather.  :)

(http://www.target550.com/gallery/112_a_look_at_2007/112_002.jpg)

We'll be back to our regularly scheduled updates and current photos next week.



Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: DallasV on May 20, 2011, 12:25:27 PM
That will be fun finding a 60' long paintbooth when it comes time to paint the chassis.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on May 20, 2011, 05:00:30 PM
I found a computer and an old railroad tunnel so the car can be painted in there.

Seems unusual to be back in front of a keyboard.

Thanks R.Therat.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Dean Los Angeles on May 21, 2011, 12:15:15 PM
Quote
That will be fun finding a 60' long paintbooth when it comes time to paint the chassis.

Not true! It only needs to be 5' x 5'.

And 60' tall.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Tman on May 21, 2011, 12:36:17 PM
That will be fun finding a 60' long paintbooth when it comes time to paint the chassis.

Keeping a wet edge with that fancy blue will be just as hard!


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: maguromic on May 21, 2011, 01:29:24 PM
Just use the Boeing booth at Paine Field,  its big enough for the 747 and recycles the over spray. :-o Tony


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: floydjer on May 21, 2011, 04:30:41 PM
Quote
That will be fun finding a 60' long paintbooth when it comes time to paint the chassis.

Not true! It only needs to be 5' x 5'.

And 60' tall.
Dean, Are you trying to get double duty out of that joke??? :wink:


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on May 21, 2011, 04:49:03 PM
While the car is being sprayed we may as well have the trailer done at the same time.

Not much consideration regarding paint until a sponsor is found. No need to paint it twice.

That's one reason for the way the metal is being prepped. It will have a brushed finish until it's painted.

FREUD



Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on May 26, 2011, 10:43:59 AM
It's been 2 weeks since I was at Humes. There will be a post either Friday or Saturday related to the build but I decided to

show a little of "what's just laying around" in the shop.

http://www.target550.com/gallery/113_tour_thru_the_museum/index.html

That url will take you to the site.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: desotoman on May 26, 2011, 02:41:23 PM
Thanks, Doc.

I have one of those RPM indicators and it was Tom Beatty's. I got it when I bought his lathe.

Tom G.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: JamesJ on May 26, 2011, 02:51:42 PM
While the car is being sprayed we may as well have the trailer done at the same time.

Not much consideration regarding paint until a sponsor is found. No need to paint it twice.

That's one reason for the way the metal is being prepped. It will have a brushed finish until it's painted.

FREUD



Are you suppose to find a sponsor before you spend all your own $$  :cheers:


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: jimmy six on May 26, 2011, 05:16:10 PM
What's a paint booth?


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: sockjohn on May 26, 2011, 05:44:49 PM
I helped a guy paint a race car in the trailer once, worked out ok but rather cramped as you can imagine.  I think the paint might have been dry by the start of the race....


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on May 28, 2011, 10:45:48 AM
No foto fix until later today. I didn't get the material ready early enough for Ray to Post.

He has an assignment this morning so the soonest we will have a post will be early evening today.

I'm sorry and I look it.

Thanks for all the support.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on May 28, 2011, 06:47:44 PM
Ray Therat is faster than an oncoming SLC rainstorm.

He did his assignment and with only 3 corrections to make in the material that I sent him............the post is online.

Thanks RAY THERAT.

http://www.target550.com/gallery/114_wheel_hub_lug_nuts_plumbing/index.html

A lot is happening this coming week. The molds for the front wheel fairings are done and the first set of composite parts are done.

A change in the specifications of those parts required a modification to the first replacements. They will be reshaped to allow

more ground clearance. Jim will have them Tuesday. Then Frank Martinez will make a mold of the canopy so the windshields can be formed.

Frank is much closer than is Les Davenport and the possible problems with shipping and returning components from Canada will be eliminated.

I'll have the fotos of making the mold for the next post.  Frank will make the windshield sections in his shop that is about 75 miles from Hume's.

This is a sketch of the possible shape of the windshield. It looks to me like it will be 3 pieces because there are reinforcement tubes inside the canopy

and the sketch lines match the position of the supports. The bottom of the machined slot is the level that allows the driver to see over the nose.

See all of you next time.

FREUD



Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: ratpatrol66 on May 29, 2011, 09:37:26 PM
Hello Freud,
 This is another great place for me to view the build of the T&D Streamliner.
It was nice talking with you yesterday. Craig
             


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on May 29, 2011, 09:44:01 PM
Craig, You are welcome. I hope u continue to enjoy our Build Diarys.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on May 30, 2011, 06:25:40 PM
Keep your eyes open.

We will have a post either tonight (Memorial Day) or early tomorrow.

Just some stuff that the mailman returned.

Have a safe ride home tonight.

Freud, Ray, Treit and crew.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on May 30, 2011, 08:09:20 PM
Have a look at some of the past in the creation of the Treit &  Davenport 'liner.

http://www.target550.com/gallery/115_items_returned_in_mail/index.html

Happy Memorial Day.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on May 30, 2011, 09:12:42 PM
Some of these images go back to 2006.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Glen on May 30, 2011, 09:26:05 PM
It's been a long build.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on June 03, 2011, 02:08:45 PM
We will post today (Friday) and it will cover making the mold for the windshield.

Bring a six pack to the computer when u open this one.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on June 03, 2011, 08:32:14 PM
It's posted for today.

http://target550.com/gallery/116_windshield_mold_in_a_day/index0006.html

This shows all the steps needed to make a mold from the canopy of the Treit & Davenport 'liner.

If you have any questions, just ask and I will get the answers.

One thing I failed to bring out regarding the small roller is that besides smoothing the matt it also rolls out any

air pockets and bubbles. Kent, you can correct my mistakes. I know this is elementary to you.

I don't know how much coverage I can supply related to making the windshield. I'll do all I can since this can be a major problem.

Enjoy..........

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on June 04, 2011, 05:59:39 AM
Thanks - guys.  Here I go, getting up nice and early on a Saturday morning so I can do lots of stuff -- and I make the mistake of checking the Forum before I get the fist cup of coffee.  And finally, after about 20 minutes, I remembered - that I want some coffee. 

Fascinating stuff, Marlo - and Freud.  Thanks.  You too, Ray.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on June 04, 2011, 10:28:52 AM
I really want to thank Ray for his help. He is at the Rat Fink Reunion and I sent him the fotos during that time.

So in the middle of the afternoon he is in his room doing the post.

That's devotion to duty that can only be repaid with huge sums of money.  OH YA !!!!

Thanks again Ray.

It was also fun to have Marlo in attendance. He had been to Hume's shop and on the way home he

stopped for quite a while. It's seldom that he gets much time to observe what he is responsible for

creating and his enquiring mind asked questions and absorbed the answers. He learned enough that

he decided he would let someone else do this type of work for him.

An afterthought and a correction......the windshield will be one piece. It will be formed in Lexan. Frank has

the facilities for doing that job at his shop. His experience includes Indy cars, all types of upper level sports cars, boats

and any other equipment that needed composite work. He builds parts from scratch, the wheel fairings for the 'liner,

and repairs anything that is crushed or broken. He's just another example of the talented craftsmen that assist on this project.

THANKS FELLOWS

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Tman on June 04, 2011, 04:00:45 PM
Any contact info for Frank?


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on June 04, 2011, 07:28:29 PM
He's on the road right now and as soon as he returns I'll give you all the contact info.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on June 04, 2011, 07:35:33 PM
Thanks for the good words, Doc.  I made it home in one piece...and only left cuz I ran outta printer ink and paper...and I ran outta steam.  :)  It was a kool gathering and show.  I'll post photos...somewhere...sometime.  :) 

It was nice to see Tom and Cathy Shannon and Elmo Rodge, among others.  The LSR community was well represented.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on June 04, 2011, 11:32:54 PM
I went to Granite Falls HS, Granite Falls, WA., Friday for the end of the year open house.

The two cars that they have built, Iron Maiden and Philippe's Revenge, were on display along with art objects and pictures that other students had done.

Both cars are being readied for a trip to the Pac Car test track to gather data that will be compared to other tests.

The Urban Concept car will be tested at WOS and they will be interested in fuel mileage and not speed.

it's a marvelous program and their teacher, Michael Werner, deserves so much credit.

I'll try to give more info after the Pac Car testing.

FREUD



Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: ratpatrol66 on June 05, 2011, 06:41:09 PM
The GFHS builds are real cool. All I got to do in high school shop was rebuild a 3.5 briggs, and make an engine stand?
Good times, High School was alot of fun. I still use that engine stand, there is a 62 4-cyl Pontiac on it right now.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on June 10, 2011, 11:28:55 AM
Ray has just done the post for this week.

It shows the progress on the front wheel fairings.

http://www.target550.com/gallery/117_wheel_fairings_take_2/index.html

I hope you enjoy it.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on June 10, 2011, 01:48:19 PM
Tman...........you ask for contact info for Frank Martinez.

Here is his e-mail address: frankmartinez@juno.com.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on June 15, 2011, 07:08:24 PM
There was a visitor at the build site today.

Glen Barrett is slumming and he dropped in for a chat.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Stan Back on June 15, 2011, 08:10:26 PM
Looks grumpy(?).


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Glen on June 15, 2011, 08:35:02 PM
Stan, that;s my happy face, you don't want to see grumpy.
 :cheers:


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: SPARKY on June 16, 2011, 12:21:56 AM
LOL  :cheers:


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on June 17, 2011, 01:30:42 PM
Todays post relates to the plumbing for the systems controlled by air.

Here is the url;   http://www.target550.com/gallery/118_micro_plumbing/index.html

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Rex Schimmer on June 20, 2011, 03:04:07 PM
Frued,
With the "steering wheel" being pretty small, how about a post on the actual steering system itself? I know that the plan is some sort of hydraulic "master/slave" set up but is there going to be any power booster to help the driver with the steering loads?

Rex


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on June 21, 2011, 12:38:21 PM
Rex, I'll address your question soon.

In the immediate past was the adventure with Rufus: the Target 550 press vehicle.

Monday Rufus received a new steering box. Now it's Tuesday and the steering box is in the recycle bin.

Oh well......I can always arrange a rope between the front wheels.

Check it out.

http://www.target550.com/news.html

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on June 23, 2011, 09:39:32 PM
Rex, there will be no power boost incorporated in the steering system.

Just like Rufus.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on June 24, 2011, 06:34:48 PM
Here is our post for today.

Well it went a lot faster for Ray than I anticipated.

http://www.target550.com/gallery/119_Frank_Martinez_delivers_first_windshield/index.html


FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on June 24, 2011, 10:20:43 PM
A lot of variety in this post.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: MattGuzzetta on June 25, 2011, 02:20:16 AM
Wow, great work, nice photos!  The oven reminds me of a company that used to make our road racing fairing bubbles in So Cal.  The company was Orco near Irvine and they used a "hanging sheet" oven that allowed the sheet to evenly heat up so that the bubbles could be free formed without chilling the material by vacuuming the sheet into a vacuum box so the bubbles came our almost optically perfect.  The hanging sheet ovens did not take so much floor space and were heated by circulating the hot air inside the oven.  A good 36 page manual about making the ovens and forming the sheet are at:  http://regalplastics.net/pdf/135.pdf
Pretty cool stuff.  It ain't easy to make those complex windscreens on a form.  Frank is doing a good job!
It would be nice to see this liner run, it is simply a great project! :cheers:

See you at the flats Freud, it has been a long time! :-D

Matt Guzzetta


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on June 25, 2011, 11:46:15 PM
Matt....we appreciate your comments.  It was a long time ago but you sure were there earlier.

I'm so happy that you are returning to B'ville.

I'm looking forward to seeing you again.

See you soon.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Dean Los Angeles on June 27, 2011, 01:42:47 PM
Not surprising.
Infrared thermometers are calibrated against a white calibration target. Color and surface texture strongly affect the reading. Some can be re-calibrated against a reference target that is a different color value. If you want accuracy you need a contact thermocouple.
(http://www.target550.com/gallery/119_Frank_Martinez_delivers_first_windshield/119_005.jpg)


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on June 27, 2011, 03:16:03 PM
Thank You Dean. Frank may know that but I didn't and I didn't ask any questions.

Bad fotog.  Misinformation a specialty.

FerD posting for FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: manta22 on June 27, 2011, 07:01:30 PM
Not surprising.
Infrared thermometers are calibrated against a white calibration target. Color and surface texture strongly affect the reading. Some can be re-calibrated against a reference target that is a different color value. If you want accuracy you need a contact thermocouple.
(http://www.target550.com/gallery/119_Frank_Martinez_delivers_first_windshield/119_005.jpg)

Dean;

IR thermometers are calibrated against a BLACK target. They measure energy that is radiated from a hot surface; the amount of energy depends on the absolute temperature of the surface and on its emissivity. A perfect (emissivity = 1.0) IR emitter is called a "blackbody radiator".

It helps to spray a spot with flat black paint so that its emissivity is closer to 1.0. This way the measured temperature is closer to being correct. Professional IR non-contact temp measurement guns have an adjustable "emissivity" knob which corrects the reading.

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on June 27, 2011, 10:17:46 PM
Neil, I also Thank You.

It's people like You and Dean that make this so much fun.

I just won't remember what you said.

Once an acceptable temp is achieved and that measurement is used from then on, it matters not that it is properly calibrated.

In photography unconventional exposure readings are valid as long as the same conditions exist each time it is metered.

It could be the same in this situation.

D A M N E D the theory as long as it works.

Overexposed and under developed.......FREUD



Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on June 27, 2011, 10:26:43 PM
Me thinks these dudes is too smart to be racers.

It may possibly handicap them.

FerD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Dean Los Angeles on June 28, 2011, 09:25:06 AM
Thanks Neil. I knew that. My sister used to tell me to engage brain before thinking. Shhhh! I'm also doing this at work while I'm doing other things.

The company I worked for was trying to determine the temperature of an aluminum wheel to flow form it. Differences in heat treat color made a huge difference in the temperature reading. We switched to a contact probe. The amount of torn and cracked wheels went down dramatically.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on July 01, 2011, 01:04:25 PM
My eyes have turned to an acute awareness of fashion. It's difficult to find good examples in my

circle of friends so I used what was available.

Here is the link to Post 120:  http://www.target550.com/gallery/120_dressing_for_summer_&_misc_glimpses/index.html

If you have disparaging remarks, send them to SSS. He handles adversity better than I.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on July 02, 2011, 10:25:30 PM
Enjoy a trip through the past on the Treit & Davenport Target550 streamliner.

It's not in chronological order but it shows many different looks. There are 177 fotos.

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=183472971669481&set=pu.183427418340703&type=1&theater

Enjoy it.........

FREUD



Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: octane on July 03, 2011, 09:25:12 AM
Enjoy it.........

Oh yes !
What an absolute joy and pleasure to watch
such a fascinating build and the brilliant craftsmanship displayed.
Mindblowing !

Thanks!

.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on July 03, 2011, 10:38:48 AM
Thanks Octane. I'll make certain they receive the compliment.

You are doing well yourself.

I'll see you at Salt Talks.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on July 08, 2011, 02:00:30 PM
Another Friday. Another post.

http://www.target550.com/gallery/121_inside_plumbing_for_dual_clutch_cylinders/index.html

This relates to the shifter for the transmissions and clutch master cyl plumbing.

If you want to follow the schematic, it is posted. Enlarge it and it's easier to read.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: DallasV on July 08, 2011, 03:34:11 PM
That looks like a pneumatic pnightmare.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on July 15, 2011, 09:02:39 PM
I have posted very little lately that related to the work that Jason Hosking has been doing.

I remedied that today. Have a look at his craftsmanship and how even Mother Nature has

sent a representative to survey the situation.

Here is the url:   http://www.target550.com/gallery/122_jason_&_arachnoid/index.html

Have fun.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on July 16, 2011, 01:22:45 PM
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Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on July 19, 2011, 06:43:59 PM
Wow.

My love for cars comes from the the gorgeous evocative designs that are functional too, particularly the details, and then how the details merge to form the whole.

I have followed Formula One all my life and that has had a big influence too (although their attention to detail has wavered it is back now I am glad to say).

The 1960's film "Grand Prix" with James Garner was a favorite and I made sure to watch it whenever it was on telly. It was shot with a camera whose eye loved these details too, often piling them up in 70's style across the screen.

It is these scenes that many of your photos remind me of.

When Sumner showed me around the Anastasi ruins near his home, I could see in the 700 year old patterns of the drywalling the same thought process that are in the walls of my farm.

So too in each of your photos of the car, you see the artful decision making of purpose.

It is so... considered.

And then the consideration is so well crafted.

It truly is a wonderful thing you are making. It is inspirational and makes the world a better place for being here.

And this is before it turns a wheel on the lake. What then?

I can't wait.

Dik






Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on July 19, 2011, 07:49:36 PM
I express heart felt THANKS from everyone involved with this project.

When it seems the build is too slow, call Michael Angelo and ask him how many spectators

questioned him, "when will it be done?"

There is so much to the things that they do that I really don't cover all of it.

A lot happens while I am not there so the story I post is rather like reading just the chapter headings in a book.

I miss so much but we hope that the chapter headings alone can keep your interest.

I am privileged to enjoy the relationship I have with this build.

It makes me feel great when my limited presentation entertains and educates all of our worldwide followers.

I just wish that our fans in Australia and New Zealand could see the top of the car instead of just the bottom.

For Marlo Treit, Jim Hume, Dave Jeffers, Jason Hosking, Ray Therat and all of the other contributors I say

THANKS A LOAD,

FREUD



Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Elmo Rodge on July 19, 2011, 08:33:40 PM
Glenn said "I just wish that our fans in Australia and New Zealand could see the top of the car instead of just the bottom."
Perhaps one of them is talented enough to stand on his head. Then he could tell the others about it.  :cheers: Wayno

 


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Kiwi Paul on July 20, 2011, 12:11:04 AM
I`ll need a few of your Porters before I can stand on my head and relay the information, Wayno, but I think it`s doable........ :-D :-D :cheers:


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on July 22, 2011, 10:51:53 AM
Ray Therat will be downloading a new post yet today. It's about the brakes.

Enjoy it.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on July 22, 2011, 11:04:37 AM
Here's the url for the latest post:
http://www.target550.com/gallery/123_new_brakes_fitted/index.html (http://www.target550.com/gallery/123_new_brakes_fitted/index.html)


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on July 22, 2011, 11:36:05 PM
Thanks Ray.

I've  done 11 hours today North bound on I-5 between Sacramento and Portland.

Thanks for the help Ray.

Without him you would have had to find the post some other way.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on July 29, 2011, 09:05:00 PM
Well we slide in on the late side of Friday.

This post has several topics. The continuation of the brakes, more small tube plumbing and Jason

ironing some aluminum to complete the rear wheel fairings.

The last image will come as a surprise and a welcome set of answers soon about a frequently asked question.

ENJOY:  http://www.target550.com/gallery/124_brakes_plumbing_dash/index.html

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: WOODY@DDLLC on July 30, 2011, 08:13:08 AM
The last image will come as a surprise and a welcome set of answers soon about a frequently asked question.

ENJOY:  http://www.target550.com/gallery/124_brakes_plumbing_dash/index.html

FREUD

Is that thunder I hear in the distance??  :?


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on July 30, 2011, 11:34:35 AM
It could well be thunder but one thing that was not heard was the sound of rods relocating.

It's still whole. They didn't go for a max output. That will come later.

They were satisfied with the pulls.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on August 05, 2011, 08:18:24 PM
Freud is a bit busy at the moment, so I'll give ya the url of the latest post called, "Brake caliper mount, breathers and the frame air pressurization system."  That sorta describes it all.  There are a coupla things I found really interesting.  First, the shots of the wheels, tires and lug studs.  These just scream "Land Speed Racing!!!"

(http://www.target550.com/gallery/125_brake_caliper_breathers_frame_pressurization/125_006r8.jpg)

Jim Hume is known for the stainless tanks he builds and in a few shots, you get to see how he does it....on a breather tank in this case:

(http://www.target550.com/gallery/125_brake_caliper_breathers_frame_pressurization/125_024r8.jpg)

Finally, the frame is pressurized to check for leaks and possible strengthening by filling the frame tubes with pressurized nitrogen.  Pretty kool stuff:

(http://www.target550.com/gallery/125_brake_caliper_breathers_frame_pressurization/125_034r8.jpg)

Check it out.

Ohh...see y'all at Speed Week!




Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on August 06, 2011, 12:09:07 AM
Therat, I will restrict your movement pattern because we have one more post to do afore Speed Week.

Thanks for covering my backside.

Hey folks, here is the url:  http://www.target550.com/gallery/125_brake_caliper_breathers_frame_pressurization/index0003.html

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on August 06, 2011, 12:35:18 AM
Maybe it was all that lacquer thinner I inhaled.  :)  (Sniff, sniff!)

At least I got some color on my trailer:
(http://www.target550.com/temp/Trailer%2023r8.jpg)

Too bad I ran out of daylight before I could finish.

New carb, fuel pump and regulator should be here Monday.

http://www.chevyasylum.com/85monte/85monte25.html (http://www.chevyasylum.com/85monte/85monte25.html)


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: maguromic on August 06, 2011, 12:45:33 AM
WOW, what a great idea to pressurize the frame to check the welds. This is something I will incorporate into our roadster build.  Every time I look at this build, I learn something new!  Thanks for sharing the info.  Tony


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Stan Back on August 06, 2011, 11:05:59 AM
Mr. Therat --

That trailer is ruining your established image.

Stan


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Rex Schimmer on August 06, 2011, 11:42:02 AM
Actually the tank that Hume is fabrication is aluminum but note how he has radiused the edges of the end plates, this make the weld joint a butt weld not one where the two pieces of metal are at 90 degrees and a sharp edged corner, which makes a really ugly weld unless you happen to be making the tank from 1/8 or thicker material. Also this makes a much stronger corner joint. I know that this is pretty much standard practice for guys like Hume but it should be a good lesson for anyone trying to make a tank for the first time. An additional plus is that the tank will be just another of the hundreds of exceptionally "neat" piece that have been built for this project.

Rex


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: fredvance on August 06, 2011, 12:04:37 PM
Next thing you know he will paint the Suburban. :evil:


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on August 06, 2011, 01:13:20 PM
Thank You, Rex.

I always hope that there is a 'lesson" accompanying the images I post.

I'll show the welds next time.

The exceptional seems to be the ordinary for this project.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on August 06, 2011, 01:22:36 PM
Mr. Therat --

That trailer is ruining your established image.

Stan

Well, lemme see if I can re-establish it.  Here's my beater Camaro (V6, 5-speed grocery getter/parts runner.)  I bought it (after it passed thru a coupla hands) from a towing/storage auction.  It's beat to hell, but it (now) runs nicely and is kinda fun to run around it...even if it has a Red Green Special front end fix (red duct tape.) until I can find a front clip at a wrecking yard.





Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: SPARKY on August 06, 2011, 01:25:01 PM
The flooring reflects the present state---old, weathered, cracked, with a few splinters but working hard on getting on with the job at hand and gitner done  :cheers: :cheers:


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on August 06, 2011, 01:57:49 PM
You got that right, Sparky.  It's a hard worker, not a "trailer queen."


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: SPARKY on August 06, 2011, 02:16:12 PM
LOL   :cheers:


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: saltwheels262 on August 07, 2011, 07:14:27 AM
very nice build.

reply  # 760 , third pic--
              1) brass valve is  threaded in the frame. what type of valve (?) is welded on right side of pic?
             2) how much of the frame can be pressurized from that point?

bf


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on August 07, 2011, 10:18:40 AM
The entire frame is accessed from that valve. Every tube has a hole drilled in the frame before it is welded. It allows a totally pressurized frame but

more important is the quality of weld that results. Without that hole the weld will blow back as it is completed.

There is only one valve stem. The other piece is a body panel attachment piece.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: saltwheels262 on August 07, 2011, 10:58:27 AM
thanks.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Glen on August 07, 2011, 11:32:59 AM
The top fuel and funny car guys pressurize their frames as well. It's a super way to find cracks in places other then welds.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Nexxussian on August 09, 2011, 07:15:42 AM
Do they have a monitoring system that checks the pressure in the frame, or do they check it manually?


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: manta22 on August 09, 2011, 11:19:41 AM
Freud;

Porsche pioneered using pressure to check for cracks in their aluminum tube chassis of the 917. That was in the very early '70s.

Regards, Neil   temporarily in Ouray, CO


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: fredvance on August 09, 2011, 01:26:41 PM
I wish I was in Ouray right now. I know it os a lot cooler than the 102dg we will have today. :roll:


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on August 09, 2011, 03:35:07 PM
Nexx..............there are still welds that are not finished. The system is in place but can not be used until all the welds are finished.

It is a static system. No method of monitoring it from the cockpit.

Thanks for asking.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on August 09, 2011, 03:40:27 PM
Neil........Porsche has done a lot of things before others.

I just posted it as one of the features of this build.

We certainly don't claim exclusivity for this testing method.

Thanks for recognizing Porsche as a great standard.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Peter Jack on August 09, 2011, 05:24:50 PM
It's also been used in some aircraft for quite a few years. I'm not sure exactly when it started. There generally isn't any sort of alarm system or warning while the vehicle or aircraft is in motion. It's sufficient to check the gauge as part of a regular maintenance program.

Pete


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Rex Schimmer on August 09, 2011, 11:55:58 PM
Porsche had to pressurize their chassis so they could find all of the crummy welds on the thing!!! I have never seen a good aluminum weld from a German factory. We had a Kremer Bros. K4 at Interscope in 1982, it was a full aluminum tubing framed 935 style Porsche 911. The welds were frightening!! along with so many other things that made it a real POS car. Ongais wouldn't race it, and he was really brave, but not stupid.

Rex


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: maguromic on August 10, 2011, 12:04:44 AM
Ongais wouldn't race it, and he was really brave, but not stupid.
Rex

Rex, That is an understatement, even in his old age  8-) he makes others look like kids on the the track.  Tony


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: manta22 on August 10, 2011, 10:08:30 AM
Freud;

If you are interested in Porsches of the 917 era, as well as the Ford GT40, find a book "Racing in the Rain" by John Horsman. It is full of background info on cars & drivers, and why they (JW/Gulf Racing) won races and lost others.
John is currently recovering fron a kidney transplant.

Regards, Neil  (Ouray, CO)


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on August 10, 2011, 10:26:26 AM
Thanks Neil.  I may need a book this coming week. Looks like my wife may need a helping hand.

We are on the way to the ER. She may be having a gall stone attack.

I'll know soon.

Could be the first miss on B'ville since 1963.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on August 10, 2011, 10:39:15 AM
Oh, no, man.  That's awful for Doris and you both!  Lemme know if there's anything I can do.



Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on August 10, 2011, 02:13:30 PM
She has been to the physician. Blood work was first. Results later today.

I'll just do what I gotta do...................

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: fredvance on August 10, 2011, 02:36:35 PM
I hope your wife is ok and whatever it is is minor. Good luck.

Fred


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: smitty2 on August 10, 2011, 03:30:24 PM
Our prayers are with Doris, and you Freud. Please let me know if there is anything I can do for you.

Smitty


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: SPARKY on August 10, 2011, 04:52:18 PM
Dr F  best to you and your ms


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Peter Jack on August 10, 2011, 05:03:58 PM
Freud, I hope things prove to be not too serious and her recovery is quick. When I was talking to Bob this morning I told him to say hi to you. With things going well you may be there to receive it. Wishing you and your wife all the best.

Pete


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: hotrod on August 10, 2011, 05:37:21 PM
Same here --- hope it turns out to be a minor issue.

Take care!

Larry


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on August 11, 2011, 01:17:30 AM
Five hours for a CT scan revealed that she has diverticulitis and an infected place in her colon.

Eighteen years ago she had colon cancer and she is very aware of her colon.

We went to the all night pharmacy and she has taken her first dose of antibiotic.

After her appointment with the physician Thursday afternoon I'll know my plans.

Thanks to each of you for the love.

This LSR family is stellar.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on August 11, 2011, 01:29:46 AM
Thank God it wasn't any worse.  I hope you can make it to SW, but if you can't, I'll visit Kepner at the Kilo Klub shade and stand in for ya.  :)  Prayers will continue.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: sabat on August 11, 2011, 09:13:29 AM
All the best for a speedy recovery, glad it is not too serious.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Peter Jack on August 11, 2011, 09:17:39 AM
Diverticulitis can usually be handled rather easily with a little care. If you get over confident and decide you can ignore it because you're doing so well, it can turn around and bite you.  Generally the recovery goes well if you stay on track. Guess how I know all these details? :| :| :|

I hope the infection clears up quickly and things return to normal.

Pete


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on August 11, 2011, 10:12:58 AM
Post for Target550.com.

Even with Speed Week and all of the prep needed just to attend, we will have a post for Target550.com on Friday. I can't promise for next week.

Hope to see everyone at the Salt. I'll be at Salt Talks if I get to Wendover.

Doris and I Thank all of you for your encouragement and support.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: manta22 on August 11, 2011, 11:05:43 AM
Freud;

We're wishing your wife a quick recovery. You are both in our prayers.

Regards, Neil  (Provo, UT)


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on August 11, 2011, 08:45:43 PM


It seems that the late night excursion to the hospital and the meds that were prescribed as a result have turned things in Doris' favor.

We went back to the primary care physician a few minutes ago and she has shown an adequate recovery.

She told her physician, "I had to get better. He needs to go to B'ville tomorrow."

WENDOVER.......here I come.

I'll be at Motel 6 by 1:30 PM Friday Utah time.

THANKS for the calls and prayers.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: bucketlist on August 12, 2011, 12:45:20 AM


She told her physician, "I had to get better. He needs to go to B'ville tomorrow."


Win, lose or draw with the car, you've sure got a winner for a wife.
Best wishes for both of you.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on August 12, 2011, 08:09:18 AM
Bucketlist.......You have it right. We have been married 57 years and that is the treatment

to which I have become accustomed.  The shuttle picked me up at 04:05 and I'm checked in

at SEA TAC at 06:05.  Of course I awaken her and the cat at 03:25.

Now the week that we all live for is ready to start. I try to not get too jacked until I walk into

the airport. It's all OK now.

Long live Bonneville and the related racing machines.

FREU


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: saltwheels262 on August 12, 2011, 06:37:30 PM
I'm glad things worked out 4 her.

now you get to the salt.

franey


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on August 12, 2011, 11:26:48 PM
Life is good.  Nancy and I found Freud and Marlo (and a few other reprobates) at the 99 Cent ice cream shop next to Motel 6 this evening.  All of us are happy to be here.  And the last we saw of Ray -- he was at Land's End working on the Target 550 update.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on August 15, 2011, 04:30:17 PM
Ray did his work last Friday and Posted # 126.

I'm only a few days late in posting the URL.  Sorry about that but I can imagine that many of you

have searched it out anyhow.  Being in Wendover changes the priorities.

http://www.target550.com/gallery/126_plastic_tubing_retainers_&_heaven_on_earth/index.html

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: interested bystander on August 15, 2011, 06:31:37 PM
Argghh, Dr F.

Please no more closeups of those FANTASTIC welds.

As mentioned on Avanti Kid thread 'couple days ago, sombody get Stan Back to buy a Large Avanti Kid T shirt for IB's brother Steve. Steve's '63 model year is half as old as he -1  on the 21st!

If anybody's still talking to Stan that is !


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on August 15, 2011, 09:57:09 PM
Rev Stan Back had his meeting at the same time as Salt Talks and the storm last night.

His attendance was down but many of the people feel to their knees when the tent collapsed.

As soon as they could breath the chant was get me out of here but the exit was blocked

until they made their meager penitence.

Stan Back was off the mud bog before any of them. He had no wrecker fee but many

of his congregation amassed a  bill for towing.

Since he had new wheels and tires on the Back Sedan he was able to make it to high ground.

There is no grapefruit juice left in Wendover but he had a marvelous day since he brokered their towing charges

with the only wrecker between SLC and Wells.

Stan Back is clairvoyant.

FREUD



Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Tman on August 17, 2011, 12:50:50 AM
Was a pleasure meeting Freud, Ray and especially Marlo! I dont know who set Dr Goggles and myself up at the table and let Marlo hold court but it was a highlight for sure. To hear the insight into  this project was inspiring to say the least! Freud, that handshake you gave me and the reply was one of the most sincere gestures I have ever had. I can tell you are the salt of the Earth. Thanks for everything guys! :cheers:


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Ron Gibson on August 17, 2011, 07:52:20 AM
Dr F
Thank you and RTR for all your wonderful detailed pictures and explanations. As been said, the detail on this car is incredible.
Would it be possible to show in a future post the method of attaching the plastic tubing brackets to the frame. I know the frame is pressurized so the attachment screws can't be just drilled and tapped and they should not be, but didn't see any fixture to retain them.

TIA
Ron


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Dean Los Angeles on August 17, 2011, 09:14:07 AM
Quote
I know the frame is pressurized so the attachment screws can't be just drilled and tapped and they should not be, but didn't see any fixture to retain them.

Just a guess, but if you look at all of the plastic brackets the frame has been ground underneath. If you were just drilling and tapping you wouldn't do that. I'm going to take a SWAG and say that a blind threaded insert was welded in.

Note: WAG = Wild Ass Guess. SWAG = Scientific Wild Ass Guess


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: saltwheels262 on August 17, 2011, 05:57:03 PM
while we're on the topic of that pressurized frame-

I know that drilling holes in the frame tubing before welding will let built up gas pressure escape.
am I understanding correctly that pressurizing the frame strengthens it when it is on the road or being raced?
if so, how much stronger will it make it.
this is very interesting.

franey


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on August 19, 2011, 12:42:15 PM
I'm back home, Freud is on his way to the airport to head back to Washington and we have a new Target 550 post online.
http://www.target550.com/gallery/127_oil_line_retainer_breather_box/index.html (http://www.target550.com/gallery/127_oil_line_retainer_breather_box/index.html)

It covers an oil filter/line retainer done by Dave Jeffers, a breather box being built by Jim Hume and an update on Jason Hosking's lengthy projects.  Right now he's working on the rear wheel fairings.

(http://www.target550.com/gallery/127_oil_line_retainer_breather_box/127_021.jpg)

This time of year is difficult to keep to our schedule, but we're doing our best.  The next coupla weeks will be "interesting" with BUB going on and me there by myself to cover the event (this is gonna be interesting) but we'll "git 'er dun."  World of Speed and the Shootout will be even more interesting, since SSS, Mrs. SSS and I will all be racing (WoS only) and trying to do commentary and photos, then I'll do my best to get the posts done in my spare time (what???) 

Nonetheless, your Target 550 reporting team is dedicated to bringing you the best coverage possible of the liner's progress.  Speaking of the team, several members of the team were spotted at Salt Talks and captured on digital film:
http://www.target550.com/news.html (http://www.target550.com/news.html)  We ask that no one contact the Witness Protection Program to inform them of this paparazzi spotting.  :)


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Tman on August 19, 2011, 01:13:14 PM
Nice meeting you. Doc Goggles and I also had the pleasure of listening to Marlo at the salt talks.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on August 19, 2011, 02:09:28 PM
I was overjoyed to hear the comments by the people that follow this build diary.

SPEED WEEK is the biggest event that Marlo an I attend together. It was great to have him with me and he could give the answers

to the well phrased questions.

Any hole made on the frame, except the holes to allow the good welds, are indeed blind holes.

I have never inquired about the extra rigidity achieved by the pressurized tubes. The main reason is to check for the integrity

of the frame. Any cracks will cause the pressure to drop and then the search starts. They listen with a short tube and that magnifies

the sound of the escaping air.

I'll make a list of the questions from this past two weeks and ask Jim or Marlo to answer them.

Thanks to all the people that commented about it and I especially appreciate the generous comments.

I jut delivered the post to Rat about 10 AM Utah time and he interrupted healing the brakes on the BUUURRB to post it.

Thanks Ray. 

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: theazoldcrow on August 19, 2011, 07:55:33 PM
 :-D And Thank You also good Dr. !


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on August 19, 2011, 10:06:14 PM
I am overwhelmed by the marvelous comment from you fans.

I can accept, with Ray deserving a major portion of the credit, the compliments.

I wouldn't be able to report if it wasn't for Marlo's vision and dedication, the skills of

Les Davenport, Jim Hume. Jason Hosking and Dave Jeffers.

It's a team effort and it will be accomplished.

Thanks for your marvelous support.

FREUD for the Target550.com team



Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: saltwheels262 on August 19, 2011, 10:22:47 PM
thanks , freud.

bf


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Dean Los Angeles on August 21, 2011, 11:34:47 AM
200 mph = (http://image.hondatuningmagazine.com/f/9350343/0704_ht_02z+bonneville_200mph_club+john_thawley.jpg)300 mph = (http://www.myrideisme.com/Blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/Bonneville-Salt-Flat-Racing-Competition-Coupe.JPG)400 mph = (http://www.target550.com/temp/20110818_0832r8.jpg)
500 mph = (http://store.nationalguitars.com/images/categories/Hat%20outline.jpg)What color for 500?


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: hotrod on August 21, 2011, 11:41:58 AM
500 should be silver with little wings on it.

Larry


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Nexxussian on August 21, 2011, 11:43:12 AM
I thought it was purple?

As in "in the purple" (ie, royalty).


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: maguromic on August 21, 2011, 11:50:02 AM
I am also for purple.  If you take the red hat (200mph) and the blue hat (300mph) and mix the two colors you get purple. Tony


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: WOODY@DDLLC on August 21, 2011, 11:52:49 AM
200 mph = (http://image.hondatuningmagazine.com/f/9350343/0704_ht_02z+bonneville_200mph_club+john_thawley.jpg)300 mph = (http://www.myrideisme.com/Blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/Bonneville-Salt-Flat-Racing-Competition-Coupe.JPG)400 mph = (http://www.target550.com/temp/20110818_0832r8.jpg)
500 mph = (http://store.nationalguitars.com/images/categories/Hat%20outline.jpg)What color for 500?

I like white like the salt but better first one there chooses!?!?

[I hope they don't like fuchsia!  :-(]


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on August 21, 2011, 04:40:54 PM
We are honored that this discussion occurred on this site.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Dean Los Angeles on August 23, 2011, 11:40:36 AM
Quote
Please no more closeups of those FANTASTIC welds.
You are totally missing the point that every picture shows multiple details that may not show elsewhere.
Not to mention that you canít really appreciate the welds until you have welded a tube frame and spent time analyzing how on earth you are going to get the welding torch into that cramped space, and then end up contorting your body into a shape it wasnít designed to contort into to get the perfect angle. All the while doing this in 100 degree heat while wearing a long sleeve heavy shirt and a welding mask that provides no ventilation.

But thatís not what this is about. Iím really writing about some blue paint I saw in this picture.

(http://www.target550.com/gallery/127_oil_line_retainer_breather_box/127_002.jpg)

Every year they award Nobel prizes in chemistry, physics, etc. They truly miss the things that should get Nobel prizes like Velcro, air driven nailers . . . and Dykem Steel Blue.

This is preaching to the choir for a lot of you, but for everyone here that has machined something, there are a hundred that havenít.
At some point in the build you realize you need a widget. After scouring the catalogs you realize you need to fabricate it. You could take it to your local machine shop. They hate one-off pieces. They only make money on longer runs.
To make it yourself the first thing you need is a Bridgeport Series 1 mill. There are thousands upon thousands of them out there. Virtually unchanged since the 1930ís. Oh sure, you can get automatic feed, digital readouts, all the way to full CNC versions. You can get Chinese knockoffs too. (Oh please donít.) The manual version works very nicely.

The part in the picture is held in a machinists vice. A very precise tool that is strong enough to hold against the force of the cutter that is ripping the metal off and trying to shove your part 30 feet across the shop floor. Notice that the part isnít on the bottom of the vice. You need to drill through the material and cut the edge all the way. So you start with two pieces of precision ground stock to space your part up, tighten the vice and then remove the blocks.
Notice the black bar on the bottom left. If you need to pull the part out and put it back the stop allows you to do that without losing position. The squirt bottle with coolant is normal, as is the air nozzle that has no doubt had the OSHA nozzle removed and a copper line inserted to be able to blow out the tapped holes.

Back to the blue paint. At some point you need to design the widget. After you get your sketch down on paper you need to figure out how thatís going to turn into a block of aluminum. It helps to visualize it if you can see the part on the aluminum. One of the problems without a digital readout is the dial on the handle is your measuring tool. It's all too easy to turn it precisely to the correct value, but an extra turn too far, scrapping the part. With the marking on the part you prevent that.

A pencil leaves a really wide mark no matter how sharp. Scribing a line is much better, but doesnít show up at all on the shiny aluminum. The hallmark is the 4 ounce brush-in-cap bottle of Dykem Steel Blue.  ďHides the glare, shows the mark.Ē Yeah, they make it in aerosol spray, felt tip markers, and  5 gallon pail, but I would bet that part was done with a 4 oz bottle. You can tell the machinists in the restaurant by the blue on their fingers.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: manta22 on August 23, 2011, 11:47:01 AM
Dean;

I agree completely--- Dykem Steel Blue = good stuff.

Regards, Neil  (San Diego, CA)


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: 38flattie on August 23, 2011, 01:11:50 PM
Freud, It was great finally meeting you!

I've said it before, but this build is simply amazing!


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on August 23, 2011, 01:20:05 PM
Dean, I really THANK YOU for such an in depth primer on something that some of us take for granted.

You covered all the bases and showed the respect for "back to the basics" machine work. I know about

the luxury of CNC but it's not in this shop. The more a person knows of his craft the less complicated the machine needs

to be. Hume's mill and lathe are ancient but they get the job done when massaged by Dave Jeffers. They are not

as fast as computer controlled machines but they also aren't as expensive.

THANKS again, Dean.

I have no idea what my next post will cover. It will be 2 weeks since I was up there. A lot has happened and I'll try

to catch up. I hate to miss a week. Things are built completely in that time and I can not show the steps required to

accomplish them.

If you have suggestions on how I can improve the posts, let me know. I appreciate all of you that access this diary.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on August 23, 2011, 03:07:53 PM
Four of the Target 550 team members were spotted at Salt Talks, 2011 by Thomas "Pork Pie" Graf. 

(http://www.target550.com/news/20110814_362r8.jpg)

Glenn Freudenberger, Ray Therat, Marlo Treit and Dick Milne in front of Jon and Nancy Wennerberg's trailer.

We all had a great time at the Salt Talks (hosted every year by Jon and Nancy)...well, until the wind, lightning and rain kinda put a damper on things. 


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Joe Timney on August 23, 2011, 03:19:47 PM
The hat should be gold plated...it sure would cost at least that much to go 500mph!!!


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on August 23, 2011, 06:57:49 PM
Joe, with the cost of gold skyrocketing as it is, it's probably about on a par with Marlo's car.

It's Marlo's insight that conceived this project and has supported it to it's present state of "nearing completion."

We are happy that Pork Pie snapped the image when he did.

It was before our shirts got wet.

Thanks to all of the fans of Target550.com.

For Marlo and his band of savages,

THANK YOU.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on August 24, 2011, 10:31:16 PM
I had a normal trip to Hume's place today. I'll have a post ready for Ray Therat to post Friday.  Fun stuff.

Thanks for all the interest and compliments we received at B'ville.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on August 26, 2011, 03:38:56 PM
Target550.com will have a new post later today.

Ray Therat has decided to remodel houses and repair and paint motorcycle fenders and he won't be home until later.

I just notified USPS to deliver my welfare checks to the Kilo Klub.

Now I need to find a place to cash them in Wendover.

Life is good...............

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on August 26, 2011, 08:51:48 PM
Here is the url for todays post.

http://www.target550.com/gallery/128_breather_tanks_oil_lines/index.html

The lines for the oil system are done, the breather tanks are finished and the front drive belt box has

removed to strengthen it's mounting plates.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: interested bystander on August 26, 2011, 09:07:18 PM
Dyke-'em?

I thought that was the battle cry of the Gay Women's Liberation Movement!

Belated Happy Birthday greetings  to the immoral, er, 'scuse me, stuck delete button, immortal Dr F!


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on August 26, 2011, 09:13:29 PM
Hey Doc...I'll bring yer food stamps out to ya tomorrow night when I head out for BUB.  Want fries with that?  :)


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on August 26, 2011, 10:52:33 PM
Thanks Ray. Fries and Cats Up.

FreuD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Rex Schimmer on August 27, 2011, 06:41:17 PM
Freud,
Time for the "hydraulics guy" in me to nit pick again. The oil reservoir: I am assuming that there is a baffle (or baffles) down the center of the tank and that the return lines all dump their oil on the back side of the baffle and below the "operating"  oil level and that the oil for the inlet to the pressure section of the oil pump is on the other side of the baffle and that any oil that goes to it has to travel over the baffle before it gets to the pump inlet. This movement of the oil will cause the entrapped air, of which there will be lots!, to be drawn off into the vent tank, other wise you are pumping air to the engine and it has no lubrication properties. Also glad to see they put a "clean out" cover on the reservoir, makes it easy to get the misc. engine parts out when one goes "bang!". (Which is also a great reason to run all of the oil from the scavenger sections through a return filter.)

Rex


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on September 02, 2011, 05:39:14 PM
It's Friday afternoon out here. We will have a post yet today but it will still be few hours.

I don't have my part done and Ray Therat is building his race car.

We have to keep our priorities proper.

Hang with us.

THANKS

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on September 02, 2011, 10:28:11 PM
Here is todays post:  http://www.target550.com/gallery/129_belly_pan_breathers_spy_cam/index.html

Have fun.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Dr Goggles on September 04, 2011, 06:56:23 AM
Time and again.......good grief , look at the Tig welds!!!!!!!
http://www.target550.com/gallery/129_belly_pan_breathers_spy_cam/129_010.jpg


And, distal?..........you're stretching our vocabs there Pa.............


   :wink:


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on September 05, 2011, 08:21:40 PM
Since the Granite Falls Manufacturing program is cleared for their entry into World of Speed, here is a

little bit of background about them.

The url:  http://www.target550.com/gallery/130_granite_falls/index.html

Read it and compare to your high school days.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Glen on September 05, 2011, 08:27:54 PM
Since the Granite Falls Manufacturing program is cleared for their entry into World of Speed, here is a

little bit of background about them.

The url:  http://www.target550.com/gallery/130_granite_falls/index.html

Read it and compare to your high school days.

FREUD

SSS, Jon hope you can do some photos and follow up on any runs of the great HS project.
Thanks

Glen (speedtimer)


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: desotoman on September 05, 2011, 09:05:02 PM
Doc,

Will you be traveling with the team to WOS?

Tom G.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on September 05, 2011, 09:30:37 PM
I'm sorry that I won't be there. Even at an advancing age I haven't figured out a way to go all the places

that I want to all the time.

I'll miss this one and I hate it. It's easy to get attached to this group and I'd enjoy celebrating their achievements.

I think Kent Singleton, Alternate Fuel Coordinator, and Monte Widdeson, Tech Inspection for USFRA need a great amount

of recognition for working with Michael Werner on this unique project. Believe me, this car fits no category in any rulebook

but that situation has been over come as a result of the efforts of these two men.

If you are at WoS, go meet Michael and the students. It will be worth your while.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Schruiber on September 09, 2011, 07:22:03 AM
We will truly miss you Freud.  We do have a T2011 t-shirt for you though - special order by Marlo  :-D   the car is different in the fact it was built for MPG not MPH.

After the initial idea to bring HS students and their car to Bonneville during WOS 2008 it is needless to say we are very excited  -  stay tuned for pictures.

Thank you Kent, Monte and Freud and the LSR community.......


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on September 09, 2011, 07:30:58 PM
I'll be there on Monday with my cameras in hand.  I look forward to meeting the team members and doing some photo coverage of the GFHS effort.  Look for the exhausted old fart with the red Suburban, black Monte Carlo and bags under his eyes from the last 10 days of pre-event thrashing.



Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: 38flattie on September 09, 2011, 08:55:40 PM
Read it and compare to your high school days.

FREUD

Haha! That's nothing like my high school days- wish it were!

What a cool project! Good luck Granite Falls! :cheers:


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Peter Jack on September 09, 2011, 09:16:06 PM
Good luck Ray and Granite Falls HS. You've both put in the time and effort and deserve a reward for your efforts.

Pete


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on September 09, 2011, 09:28:23 PM
Ray has really been busy.

Know how I know?

There's still salt on the tail pipe and inside the fender.

Ray, Marlo will give you a care package.

Sorry I let you down. I'd love to be there.

I owe you B I G  T I M E.

I'm running late. I don't have my next post ready for Target550.com. It will probably be Saturday AM (PDT) before it is posted.

It describes the dyno test that was done by Les Davenport last month on the engine for the 'liner.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Schruiber on September 09, 2011, 11:40:57 PM
.....and the paint is dry, ready for stickers

T-4 Days  :-D


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on September 10, 2011, 11:53:00 PM
I take it all back about the next post. I went to Granite Falls today with Marlo Treit and Dick Milne to pick up the

Urban Concept car that will run at WOS this week.

Lets get the verbage and the concept correct. This is not a race car. It is a performance vehicle but the goal is MPG

not MPH. It looks like a race car, it demands time like a race car, it's never finished on time, like a race car and it

goes in the trailer unfinished just like a race car.

"We will finish it down there."  Ever heard that before?  Several small things were left undone as it rolled up the

loading ramps into the trailer. Once the rear door was closed I am certain that Michael Werner, the teacher and project

director had to turn his thoughts to the large amount of supplies, suitcases, miscellaneous untitled items and a bus load

of students for whom he will be responsible on their first trip to the Land of Oz.

A severely malfunctioning Dzuz button had to be fixed. An adjustment to the chain that required extra spacers and new

longer bolts all on a Saturday afternoon that was sliding off toward evening. Bless Ace Hardware and an open account for the

school project. The bolts were there in a blink blink and the engine was secured with the proper chain adjustment.

The foto shoot was done as fast as possible. Get the images before any unexpected happenings occur that scratch the

stickies off.  Roll it in the trailer, after the needed boards were located so that extended tail doesn't drag.

Boxes and boxes of supplies, too much tongue weight but "we gotta go" dictated the next step.

Two blasts on the horn was the signal on the railroad that the train was leaving. Dickie was too busy to honk the horn.

The dream of the Manufacturing Class was out of their sight for the first time this school year but they don't leave Sea Tac until

early Tuesday morning for a scheduled arrival around noon Tuesday.

I just hope Lynda is the one to greet them.  Lynda, if you are the greeter, get them out of the van, ask them which one has the camera

and do a foto of them before the bottom of their shoes get white. Just remember, many of the fotos at a wedding are done before the

ceremony and this is as important to them since none of them are married. Debbie Werner will be in that van. Ask for her and she will make

certain that it will be "done at Lands End as it would be in heaven."

I have misty eyes knowing that I won't be there to see our new group of members taken in to the Church of The Salt.

I wish them the best. I know it will be an experience unlike anything they have ever known.

Doris, just get me some Kleenex.

old FREUD



Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: landsendlynda on September 11, 2011, 09:49:28 AM
FREUD,

Alas, my sadness runs deep at the moment.....I don't work WOS, so I won't be there to get those critical "Before" pictures.  I hope they take the time to take that photograph because, as we all know, life as they knew it will never look, feel, or smell the same again!!!

Good luck to the Granite Falls team!!!

Lynda


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Glen on September 11, 2011, 09:59:34 AM
I am sure they will take their own photos and have the memories of our great salt flats and understand the meaning of being there the 1st time. This has to be an awesome adventure for them. What they will experience should be put in words by them and posted on this great web site after they return home. What ever the outcome it will have a meaning and bragging rights that will make other students wish they were part of it.  :-)


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on September 11, 2011, 09:59:54 AM
Lynda, just having feeling for them is like a blessing.

Thanks for the reply.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on September 11, 2011, 01:14:36 PM
This group reminds me of the Hudson Boys   YEARS ago. Probably 35+ years.

I did a foto of them with their mentor, Ed Iskendarian.

Each student probably still has that picture.

Now they have achieved Red Hats.

Congratulations, Hudson Boys.

You have company as students on the Salt.

You need to meet them and include them in your group: like Big Brothers.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Glen on September 11, 2011, 01:34:03 PM
About 3 years ago there was a school group from SLC that was bussed in. They had a ball, got to ride down the course in the bus at about 60mph. Had group pictures taken with the top speed car along with Charles Nearburg and the big trophy. I sent a DVD to the school of all of the shots I took. Talked to several of the kids and most said it was one of the best school outings ever.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on September 11, 2011, 01:40:33 PM
Michael Werner has arranged for a group from some school in SLC to visit them during WOS.

I think they too will get a marvelous reception.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on September 12, 2011, 02:15:54 PM
We will have a new post yet today. Ray Therat has been very busy getting his 130 Club race car ready and

I just haven't been organized enough to post the pictures that i did in Granite Falls, WA for the trip to

WOS with their Urban Concept car. 

So later today we should have a new post.

Sorry for the delay. I'll have another post related to the Target550 car at the end of the week.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on September 12, 2011, 02:22:07 PM
Talk about dedication. Ray Therat had the post done in record time and this was while he was dumping oil in his race car.

I just can not thank him enough.

Here is the url:   http://www.target550.com/gallery/131_gf_trailer_loading/index.html

We certainly support this first time team and their fantastic project.

THANKS again RAY.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Peter Jack on September 12, 2011, 03:05:13 PM
Have fun Guys. My guess this trip is going to be a blast! :-D :-D :-D

Keep up the good job of reporting Freud. It's too bad you're missing the trip.

Pete


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on September 12, 2011, 06:29:23 PM
I can only post items related to several cars but I'll post whatever they send me and it will be done as soon as I get it.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on September 15, 2011, 10:30:50 PM
It will probably be Saturday before the next post.

Time is upset for a few weeks but I will make a post soon.

Besides, Ray Therat is still on the Salt and I don't like to bother him.

When he is there he is always busy 25 hours in a day.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on September 17, 2011, 11:32:55 AM
We will have a post yet today. Ray Therat has the Monte Carlo loaded and is about ready to

take the car home. Then he will return to Wendover Sunday. While he is at home I will have a story

ready and he can post it.

Sorry for the delay.

I didn't want to reduce the drama of WOS with a build diary.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: jdincau on September 17, 2011, 01:21:14 PM
No angst Freud, self imposed deadlines are killers.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on September 17, 2011, 10:58:34 PM
Thanks for waiting.

This is a short post but the next one will have a lot in it.

There will be a small part that was modified to do the opposite job for which it was designed.

A unique problem developed with the oil tank and it was a machinists method of solving it that is on a par with the project.

Here is the url:   http://www.target550.com/gallery/132_knobs_knurls_kolor/index.html

There is a good chance that the next post will be on Saturday.

FREUD



Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on September 22, 2011, 10:11:43 AM
I suppose vacations are the time to step back and take it easy.

I did. I brought enough images so that I could do a post from here.

So, during the day, Friday, Ray will make a new post for us.

So when he gets a few minutes Friday several interesting parts and a unique situation will be presented.

Thanks for your interest.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on September 22, 2011, 08:36:09 PM
Watch early Friday. It wouldn't surprise me if Ray Therat makes the post before he goes out to the Salt.

Things are happening at a rapidly satisfying rate.

I'll keep you advised as fast as I can.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on September 23, 2011, 09:25:38 AM
The post is early for once.

Ray did his job before going to the salt.

Here is the url:    http://www.target550.com/gallery/133_tap_push_pull/index.html

Hope you enjoy it.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: sabat on September 23, 2011, 09:53:12 AM
Amazing work. Thanks for the pictures and explanation. As much art as engineering.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Peter Jack on September 23, 2011, 11:05:47 AM
I believe the tank and therefor the  ring is stainless, a fairly tough material to machine. What type of material did they use for the tap?

Pete


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on September 23, 2011, 11:13:51 AM
No idea Peter. It really won't have to remove much material but I have no idea what stuff it's made of.

I know they heat treated it.

I'll find out.  Thanks for asking.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Peter Jack on September 23, 2011, 11:19:50 AM
I didn't expect you to know Freud. Your expertise shows with the wonderful coverage on the build. The fact that you're willing to ask the questions and the builders are willing to answer them make this so much more valuable than the average build. Thanks for the work you do.

Pete


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on September 23, 2011, 11:53:36 AM
Peter, Hume said that it is 4140 chromemoly.

It has been used and all's well. Thee wasn't very much material to remove and the tap did it's job.

Now there  are no worries about the cap galling and sticking at an inopportune time.

Wanna buy a tap?

Thanks for asking.


FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Bob Drury on September 23, 2011, 12:19:20 PM
  Dupont Krytox is a anti galling agent that looks like Crisco but is meant for precisly that problem........ stainless vs stainless.
  Have Jim give me a call if he can't find any.              Bob   (360) 696-1428


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: desotoman on September 23, 2011, 01:32:32 PM
Thanks for waiting.

This is a short post but the next one will have a lot in it.

There will be a small part that was modified to do the opposite job for which it was designed.

A unique problem developed with the oil tank and it was a machinists method of solving it that is on a par with the project.

Here is the url:   http://www.target550.com/gallery/132_knobs_knurls_kolor/index.html

There is a good chance that the next post will be on Saturday.

FREUD



This is so bitch-en. No hidden secrets on this build. And all questions answered. Incredible, just incredible. Thank you, is just not enough to show one's appreciation for this group of people.

Tom G.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: desotoman on September 23, 2011, 01:40:25 PM
  Dupont Krytox is a anti galling agent that looks like Crisco but is meant for precisly that problem........ stainless vs stainless.
  Have Jim give me a call if he can't find any.              Bob   (360) 696-1428

Bob,

Not picking on you really, but I think I read the cap was Anodized Aluminum, not Stainless. Will your stuff still work on those metals?

Tom G.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Rex Schimmer on September 23, 2011, 04:08:23 PM
Freud,
Looks to me that the belt tensioner screw should have some sort of locking device to keep it from un-screwing. Lots of tension and also vibration could cause it to back off.

Rex


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Bob Drury on September 23, 2011, 04:35:38 PM
  Actually Tom, Krytox is Duponts name for various industrial material's.  
  I installed a lot of stainless exhaust ducting in the High Tech Industry, and they had to have cleanout section's that are removable.
  This was the only non-galling  material available (ten years ago) that didn't offgass which is pretty important in a cleanroom environment (GPL-206 is the catalog number for this product).
  I have used it on my alluminum master cylinder fill plugs and it work's just fine.
  Before I tried it on the fill plug cap's I Dodge near couldn't get them off.
  Punch in Krytox on Google and you can see all their products.
  They may have something even better....................  Bob


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Glen on September 23, 2011, 05:29:27 PM
Freud,
Looks to me that the belt tensioner screw should have some sort of locking device to keep it from un-screwing. Lots of tension and also vibration could cause it to back off.

Rex

Rex, I would bet it will include a jam nut, they just finished making it and fit tested it is my guess.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: desotoman on September 23, 2011, 06:54:00 PM
Rex,

I believe this is only a device to tension the belt via the idler pulley, not to hold the idler pulley in place. Holding the idler pulley in place once it has been given the right amount of tension is accomplished by a huge bolt that goes through the idler pulley and screws into this unit.

You have a valid point, and I am sure it will be discussed.

Tom G.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Rex Schimmer on September 23, 2011, 10:29:30 PM
Regarding stainless threads mating, I worked on a project which was for nuclear fuel recovery and everything was stainless and we had some maintenance spots where the operators had to un-screw some large fasteners that were under water and approx 20 feet from where they were stationed and they were looking through a window that was 6 foot thick and the powered wrench was hanging on a remotely operated crane, sound a little difficult?, any way the fasteners and the special nut that it threaded into were made from 440C stainless at 50 RC+ so they would gaul almost immediately. Bechtel was the A&E on the project and they told us to silver plate both the nut and screw and we never had problems again. It was "silver threads among the gauled"!!

Rex


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on September 23, 2011, 11:23:12 PM
Rex, not only are your a learned person, an experienced worker and an interested spectator who keeps this project within the straight and narrow........you are also an

accomplished poet.

This simple problem is always out in the open and if we have a problem and start with KY Jelly, we may get it in.

I'll stop at Ace hardware and get some nuts. I don't have any control over them using them.

Maybe several more fotos will better show all of the way it is assembled. I'll take a look and see if I can't do a better job of showing the entire assembly.

THANKS AGAIN, Rex.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Bob Drury on September 26, 2011, 02:32:03 PM
  Hey Glen, on another post I found Jet Lube of Canada has every kind of anti-sieze in the world.
And they are located in Edmonton, Alberta.................  Les has been possibly sitting on your fix all the time...................  :-D     Bob


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Dean Los Angeles on September 26, 2011, 03:05:01 PM
I would be interested in hearing opinions on how the Target 550 drive train is going to survive when the single engine Speed Demon has had documented difficulties.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 26, 2011, 03:28:55 PM
I expect that the Speed Demon's trials and tribulations will be considered by the Target 550 build team - and so will other hassles that have cropped up on other vehicles.  I know that part of the SD troubles COULD be considered driver error -- such as blipping the throttle to make sure the engine is running smoothly before dropping the trans. into gear -- but before letting the engine come back down to (approx) the speed of the input of the trans.  Engine wound too fast = torn up drive train.  Or too much throttle when hitting a bump in the track.  But are these (and the others) really driver mistakes or are they part and parcel of racing?  Ian can write software to help alleviate the problems, but then there'd likely be more problems.

So - we can all learn from Speed Demon's "issues".  Thanks, George and Ron, for letting us watch you to get some learning.  Some stupendous thrills, too! :lol: :lol:


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Bob Drury on September 26, 2011, 06:52:45 PM
  Keep in mind that on Marlo's car dual blower belts couple the transmission output shaft to the intermemiate shaft and vice versa to the front differential if they run the front engine only.  They can also drive the rear differential using this same intermemiate shaft.
  This may or may not dampen the "hit" at a gear change.
  The rear motor is a different story.
  It's transmission drives thru a belt coupler directly to the rear end and so lack's the possible benifits (?) of the blower belt coupling.
  The coupler allows the intermemiate shaft to drive the rear differential with or without a rear motor.
  This is a lot easier to understand if you have a blueprint in front of you like I do!   :-D
                                                                                Bob


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: desotoman on September 26, 2011, 09:47:14 PM
I would be interested in hearing opinions on how the Target 550 drive train is going to survive when the single engine Speed Demon has had documented difficulties.

How does one compare an apple to an orange............
but they are both fruit.

Two streamliners...........
that share nothing in common..........
except for the goal.........
to be the fastest........

Tom G. 


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: interested bystander on September 26, 2011, 09:59:50 PM
The Gilmer belt drive(S) trouble me on Hume's 'iner

Not having a "BLUEPRINT IN FRONT OF ME" I worry about cantilevred(sp?) loads on the drive drain. Others have experienced that problem in more lightly loaded applications where the belts got throwed off.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on September 26, 2011, 10:05:23 PM
The belts worked just fine on the Turbinator.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on September 30, 2011, 07:06:12 PM
Well it's still Friday on the Left Coast and our post is on Target550.com

Have a look at the idler for the blower belts and the nose of the rear wheel fairings.

http://www.target550.com/gallery/134_idler_rear_fairings/index.html

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Kiwi Paul on September 30, 2011, 11:28:55 PM
Nice Work, especially on the Aluminum section. Makes me even more hesitant to visit. Not worthy, see....


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on October 02, 2011, 11:12:28 AM
Kiwi, I overlooked some fotos of the aluminum, shaping. I'll add them to the next post.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Peter Jack on October 02, 2011, 03:01:15 PM
Freud, which does Jim Hume use, tig or oxy/acetylene, to weld up the aluminum panels?

Pete


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: interested bystander on October 02, 2011, 05:06:27 PM
 Lost this first time. Stepping on Frued's reply, sorry.

 Hume uses Oxygen and possibly Hydrogen but at least Acetylene.

His welds are so consistent and smooth they look like decals.

Some of the Top Fuel/ Funny Car pro builders buy tanks from Hume.

He engraves grapes and vines on them if you' re at the drags and checking.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on October 02, 2011, 06:35:22 PM
Thanks, I B.

Youse is correct.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on October 07, 2011, 05:28:35 PM
No post today. Probably Saturday.

I'm at Barber's Motorsport Park in Alabama.

Great weather and a magnificent event featuring Ducati motorcycles.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: sabat on October 08, 2011, 07:15:21 AM
Barber has an amazing collection of motorcycles, enjoy.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Tman on October 08, 2011, 03:03:13 PM
I ran across an old picture of Marlo at the strip riding a crazy twin engine motorcycle where he sat above the rear wheel............ask him about it.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: saltwheels262 on October 08, 2011, 07:23:46 PM
I ran across an old picture of Marlo at the strip riding a crazy twin engine motorcycle where he sat above the rear wheel............ask him about it.

any chance you can post it?

franey


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Tman on October 08, 2011, 07:30:47 PM
I ran across an old picture of Marlo at the strip riding a crazy twin engine motorcycle where he sat above the rear wheel............ask him about it.

any chance you can post it?

franey

I would but it is in a crate of 2-300 magazines I went threough last week :oops: I need to get some stuff done instead of reading all those things again! But, don't fear, I go on a reading binge about once a month and will see it soon. All I can say is Marlo was nuts in his early years! :cheers:


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: saltwheels262 on October 08, 2011, 07:38:35 PM
I ran across an old picture of Marlo at the strip riding a crazy twin engine motorcycle where he sat above the rear wheel............ask him about it.

any chance you can post it?

franey

I would but it is in a crate of 2-300 magazines I went threough last week :oops: I need to get some stuff done instead of reading all those things again! But, don't fear, I go on a reading binge about once a month and will see it soon. All I can say is Marlo was nuts in his early years! :cheers:

okay. sounds good.

bf


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: JonAmo on October 08, 2011, 07:43:27 PM
I would but it is in a crate of 2-300 magazines I went threough last week :oops: I need to get some stuff done instead of reading all those things again! But, don't fear, I go on a reading binge about once a month and will see it soon. All I can say is Marlo was nuts in his early years! :cheers:

And who says he is not nuts today?


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Tman on October 09, 2011, 10:37:51 AM
I would but it is in a crate of 2-300 magazines I went threough last week :oops: I need to get some stuff done instead of reading all those things again! But, don't fear, I go on a reading binge about once a month and will see it soon. All I can say is Marlo was nuts in his early years! :cheers:

And who says he is not nuts today?

Touche


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on October 09, 2011, 07:25:07 PM
Freud's in Alabama for a Ducati get-together at Barber Motorsports Park, but he emailed me the photos for this week's update (yeah, it's a little but late, but we've both had one or two things on our plates.)

This post shows and explains the replacement of splined sleeves in the drive line with greek couplers.  I'm gonna go out on a limb and state my understanding that it was done after several LSR competitors had drive train failures.  

Here's a photo of one of the couplers:

(http://www.target550.com/gallery/135_driveshaft_couplers/135_016.jpg)

Once again, the design, workmanship and Freud's great photos and captions are outstanding.  The caption of the photo above gives an indication of what's to come.  

Hope you enjoy 'em:
http://www.target550.com/gallery/135_driveshaft_couplers/index.html (http://www.target550.com/gallery/135_driveshaft_couplers/index.html)

Edit:  A quick addition to this post: I didn't know anything about greek couplers, so I did a little searching on the web and apparently Chris "The Greek" Karamesines developed the first coupler of this type for use in drag racing...which is how it got its name:
http://nitrogeezers.com/Legends-Ed%20Donovan.htm (http://nitrogeezers.com/Legends-Ed%20Donovan.htm)



Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Bob Drury on October 09, 2011, 08:57:12 PM
 Jeez, I always thought it had to do with "coupling from the rear"........... :roll:
                                                             Bob


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on October 10, 2011, 11:32:56 AM
Thanks for the backup, Ray.

I stayed in the room to do the post and while I was there, a friend crashed a new Ducati and ended up in the hospital.

I never even thought of an announcement that I usually do to inform our visitors of the post.

You done me rite.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on October 14, 2011, 12:36:34 PM
There will be a Target550 post later today. Mostly about the windshield frame.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on October 14, 2011, 02:20:50 PM
Have a look at the pattern for the windshield and the canopy cutout.

The url is :  http://www.target550.com/gallery/136_windshield_pattern/index.html

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on October 21, 2011, 09:07:44 PM
It may be late but Ray Therat and I finally finished our weakly post for Target550.com

Switching to the Greek Couplers required a new torque tube.  This is the build of it.

http://www.target550.com/gallery/137_new_torque_tube/index.html

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: kiwi belly tank on October 22, 2011, 09:03:40 AM
Bad Bob!!! :-o


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Peter Jack on October 22, 2011, 12:46:18 PM
This whole build is a such great lesson in fabrication and machining techniques. :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

Thanks for bringing it to us Freud and Ray.

Pete


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on October 22, 2011, 07:49:42 PM
P J we appreciate your response.

Not only do the viewers learn things.......so do I.

In the past 24 hours we have had 23,101 hits on the site.

Change that to 25,400.

Hume says Hello to all of you.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Bob Drury on October 22, 2011, 08:06:45 PM
  Hey, that tunnel is getting shorter................... say hello to Jim, his coffee is still the best in NW Washington......................  Bob


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: wheelrdealer on October 22, 2011, 08:47:23 PM
Freud:

When I look at the workmanship and craftsmanship of this build it makes me want to go out in the shop and throw rocks at my at my stuff. A fantastic build. Thank you for sharing all the details. Although I could never duplicate the craftsmanship and engineering you display here. I do get ideas from reading the thread on areas I could do a better job of fabricating. When it comes to fabricating...compared to you guys I could not sweep your shop. So I fabricate vicariously through this thread...Thanks, I really enjoy following your build.

Bill


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on October 22, 2011, 09:36:19 PM
Bill.....you are welcome. I appreciate your reply.

You must understand.....there are a few years experience on this build.

It must approach 95 - 100 years between Dave and Jim and Jason, the newcomer, has had some marvelous jobs at a

very high level and his suggestions are also welcomed. One of these days we will probably see his welding abilities.

He worked in a shop in Colorado and did the welding on EXPENSIVE titanium bicycle frames. His beads look like they

were superimposed from a drawing. He also worked in a restoration shop back east that was at an equally high level as a fabricator.

There is so much respect shared between the three of them. Their coffee breaks and lunch time should be videoed.

 It would make a training manual for all time. Marlo has made some marvelous choices

when this crew was assembled but we must remember what a great portion of the car was done by just Hume.

I am rewarded just being allowed access to the project and also the privilege of asking them any question when I don't

have a grasp of some section.

I'll stay with this project until a better one, closer to home, comes along.

Bob.....they have called for bids on a coffee house on premise.  There are no zoning laws and topless gals are legal.

Will that discourage you if it goes in?

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Bob Drury on October 22, 2011, 09:53:01 PM
  Glen, what I really miss is staring a Buffalo in the face when peeing through the fence.......... :-D
  oh, and looking at Jim's fabulous hand built wood fabrage egg's.............  Bob


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Vinsky on October 22, 2011, 09:54:03 PM
Freud, any chance of a coffee table book version of the build? I think it would be an asset to any shop.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on October 22, 2011, 10:13:43 PM
Vinsky, you are likely right.

It would also probably end my marriage.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Peter Jack on October 22, 2011, 11:54:31 PM
Freud, don't forget that Les isn't exactly devoid of engineering and machining skills. :roll: :roll: :-D

Pete


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on October 23, 2011, 10:00:58 AM
There's no doubt that Hume is a skilled artist - of the old style.  Take a look at him in the shop:

Heats with wood, has a pencil (you know, the wooden things with a bit of graphite rod inside) sharpener (even if wired), uses conduit-held wiring -- and most of all -- a WIRED telephone.  Wow -- there's a throwback to the good ol' days.  More power to you, Sir!


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on October 24, 2011, 12:40:19 AM
Pete............for the amount of time Les spends down here I just overlooked him in my analysis.

He is a master machinist, designer and engineer.  His guidance in many areas is beyond description.

Thanks for pulling my head out of where ever it goes to hide.

The name, Treit and Davenport, is most descriptive and totally warranted.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Tman on October 24, 2011, 11:45:46 AM
The picture arrived, thanks Freud!


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on October 28, 2011, 10:03:33 AM
It will be late today before we post.

Sorry.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Dean Los Angeles on October 28, 2011, 02:02:09 PM
While we are anxiously awaiting today's post, I have a question.

On a vehicle that goes this fast, rear end alignment is critical.

What method was used to align the front and rear end in yaw and roll?


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on October 28, 2011, 11:48:25 PM
I can't answer about Yaw and Roll tonight.

I can answer the request for this weeks post.

http://www.target550.com/gallery/138_clear_desktop_show_greek_couplers/index.html

That starts off with miscellaneous items and finished with the Greek Couplers in the drive train.

Remember, there are no universal joints in this drive system and the quick changes(drive units)

have run over 330 MPH and had no problems.

I know.....any new piece can have teething problems. We hope that the prior testing and running will reduce

that type problem.

The change to the Greek Couplers replaces part of the build from years ago. Marlo has no reservations

about re engineering any part if an improvement over an earlier piece comes available.


FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Peter Jack on October 29, 2011, 06:10:53 AM
These guys are way too good on the mill to have the splines ending at random distances. I'm thinking that the reason has to do with not providing any sort of a straight path for fractures or twisting. How's my thinking? :? :? :-D

Pete


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Interested Observer on October 29, 2011, 08:03:48 AM
Since the Greek couplers still interface with the original splined shafts, what was the point of replacing the original sleeves?

Although it is more of an issue in a fatigue application, the raw-cut spline grooves without surface treatment and shafts without stress relief grooves at the spline ends would be a concern.  Hard to say without knowing the stress levels.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Rex Schimmer on October 29, 2011, 01:57:10 PM
I think that they have gone to the "Greek" couplers to provide them with additional misalignment tolerance that they could not get with the straight sleeve couplers. I would guess that it is a pretty big challenge to get the shaft(s) and all of the bearing blocks and the drive system aligned in a static condition, and when the car is in motion and large amounts of torque are being transmitted plus the inherent flexing of the chassis at 400+ mph the additional misalignment tolerance afforded by the Greek couplers is probably a needed commodity. The sleeve type coupler can, by its very nature, cause some dangerous bending and flexing loads imposed into the shaft if perfect alignment is not maintained, the Greek couplers reduce or eliminate this challenge.

Rex


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on October 29, 2011, 03:31:42 PM
Rex, as usual, you are on the money.

From DEAN in LA:
While we are anxiously awaiting today's post, I have a question.

On a vehicle that goes this fast, rear end alignment is critical.

What method was used to align the front and rear end in yaw and roll?


Comment from PETER JACK who is ruled by a dog:
These guys are way too good on the mill to have the splines ending at random distances. I'm thinking that the reason has to do with not providing any sort of a straight path for fractures or twisting. How's my thinking?


From INTERESTED OBSERVER:
Since the Greek couplers still interface with the original splined shafts, what was the point of replacing the original sleeves?

Although it is more of an issue in a fatigue application, the raw-cut spline grooves without surface treatment and shafts without stress relief grooves at the spline ends would be a concern.  Hard to say without knowing the stress levels.

Here is the reply from Marlo regarding these recent questions.

In a nutshell, there is a straight line from the center line of the front and rear drives that was established with a machined line up bar.  It went through the main bearing bores on the blocks and supports.  The side shafts are parallel with that line and the pillow blocks are shimmed to  keep that alignment.  Yes, the Greek couplers are still on the original shafts but, the shafts are multi piece and to compensate for any twist or yaw in the chassis, the Greek couples have several degrees of latitude and are self centering.  The coupler sleeves that I had made originally have NO ability to allow any misalignment without binding on the splines.  There would have been no reason to have the Greek couplers in all of the joint locations, but, by doing all locations,  no matter where twist or torque may effect the shaft position, the Greek coupler can take the mis-alignment and not bind on the splines.  It acts like a very small direction change compensator.  The Greek couplers that did not fit the splines were  machining anomalies (from Mark Williams) and not a reflection on the splines that were cut on the shafts. The ones Strasburgs made fit fine.  All of the shafts that Mike Swick made for me,( refer to Unsung Heros section from the front page. editor)  I personally put couplers on before I took them to Jim.  The reason that the shaft had to be straightened was that the material was heat treated and had some bow in it from the heat treat that we were not aware of.  Mike just cuts the shaft to length, puts centers in both ends and machined the splines with an indexing head, so the shaft never is rotated other than a few degrees at a time. There was NO reason to suspect that the shafts had runout or we would have corrected that here.  The runout in the middle of a 36 inch shaft translates to a few thousanths at the end after it is put in pillow blocks.  Until all the pillow blocks were in their final location, that was not an issue.  I built the belt drive boxes with identical center lines but, the shafts that connect them are multi lengths.  No shaft is over 34" long without supports.  36" is the longest that size shaft can be and not have harmonics at 7000 rpm.  By using shorter shafts and supporting them in the middle we run the harmonic rate up to 10,000 rpm+.
The pillow block, shaft, and coupler alignment could not be completed until all of the welding on the chassis hard parts was finished.  That is why it is being done now.  There are no large welds remaining to complete the chassis.
More than likely, we will have to address the side shaft alignment again after the car has some cycle time.  There is no way that is will stay in perfect alignment.  It will stress relieve itself somewhat.  However, the center line of the car will not be effected as much as the sides.  The motors are mounted to bulkheads and the drive mechanisms are also well mounted.  However, even though the motors and drive components should not move, by using the Greek couplers on those joints as well, we just buy insurance.  Misalignment with a sleeve coupler would allow the end of the coupler to gouge the shaft and could lead to failure.
That is also why the body panels have adjustments, we will be able to correct the body alignment if and when the chassis decides what its final shape will be.
I don't know if that answers the questions. I think I may have gone overboard somewhat.  We are just doing our best to be right the first time it runs and so the changes are being made to avoid premature ejaculation.
Yes, the splines on the shaft do not all end up the same length. That is another one of those things that makes the shaft not break at the end of the spline.  Remember when a rear axle used to break in a Chevy? The break was always circular at the end of the machine area.  It had created a stress line that became the fracture.
In the lakester, I used a Greek coupler between the output shaft and the rear end.  That is a very short distance and there was NO drive shaft. The coupler gets worked somewhat, but the splines on the output shaft show no damage.



THANKS for the questions. When I don't have a definitive answer, I'll ask until I get one.

Things to look forward to:

The method of shaping the windshields.

The opening in the canopy for the windshield.

The completed torque tubes with the tops bolted in place.

The rear wheel fairings.

Finish welding on the chassis and the air test for leaks.

Rolling the chassis over to get access to some needed welding.

Building the outside tent so the chassis can be sand blasted. Winter is coming here and it rains every day.

Building the inside tent so the chassis can be painted. A retired fireman from the railroad will stoke the wood stove to keep

the heat correct: 24/7

Hume Cad v3.9   We have spies within Granite Falls HS Manufacturing Class. We will soon have access to their design software.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Dr Goggles on October 29, 2011, 05:15:31 PM
I whiled a few hours yesterday going back over pix. Stunning work everywhere. To those wondering about the uneven splines, a look at Carroll Smith's "Engineer to Win "and the chapter "Why things break" is a great refresher.

Nice work fERD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on October 29, 2011, 05:16:53 PM
Goggles......where are the fotos of the girls?

fERd


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Tman on October 29, 2011, 05:22:21 PM
I whiled a few hours yesterday going back over pix. Stunning work everywhere. To those wondering about the uneven splines, a look at Carroll Smith's "Engineer to Win "and the chapter "Why things break" is a great refresher.

Nice work fERD

After reading Marlos reply about the splines that book immediately came off the shelf for another look. Call me a nerd but I read it about once a mopnth and last week was the full read through!@


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on November 05, 2011, 10:28:10 PM
I just updated the Target 550 site with the latest stuff that Freud sent me.  It's worth the wait.  Matter of fact, it's what a lotta people have been waiting for:  The engine dyno test.  I'll tell ya right up front that there aren't any HP figures cuz that's not the reason for the test.  You'll have to check the site in order to get all the info...but there are 36 photos and "explanatory pages" that will answer a ton of questions.  There's also some shots of Kes Davenport and his FED running at Woodburn, Or.  Both the test and the drag strip visit were successful.  There are also a coupla photos of a former crew member of Les' son's who's currently rehabbing from MS.  We all wish him a quick and successful rehab.

Here's the link:
http://www.target550.com/gallery/139_dyno_test/index.html (http://www.target550.com/gallery/139_dyno_test/index.html)

Check it out.  It's worth the wait.



Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Tman on November 06, 2011, 10:35:58 AM
Now thats a dairy barn I could put to use!


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on November 06, 2011, 12:04:28 PM
Tman, does that mean you are moving to Canada?

We will miss you.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Tman on November 06, 2011, 02:20:42 PM
Tman, does that mean you are moving to Canada?

We will miss you.

FREUD

Unlike Jesse Ventura I still have hope for this country.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on November 06, 2011, 06:39:24 PM
Even if you have read the Target550.com post from Saturday, go back and see

them again. Marlo Treit provided a letter about the dyno tests and his philosophy

regarding the entire build.

url: http://target550.com/gallery/139_dyno_test/index.html

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Tman on November 06, 2011, 06:57:34 PM
Thanks, a good read. So Whipple doesn't want to pay the MAN, no surprise. No Hot Rods Allowed.  :roll:


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on November 10, 2011, 11:45:31 AM
Marlo Treit sent us a short paper regarding oil filtration and the way he approaches it.

Go to the NEWS section of Target550.com and have a read.

http://www.target550.com/news.html?

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Dean Los Angeles on November 10, 2011, 01:18:48 PM
After you read the oil article make sure you scroll all the way down to the bottom and read the last article.

The absolute truth from a true Salt God.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: wheelrdealer on November 10, 2011, 07:45:32 PM
Wow, the Target 500 article is very well said. Thanks.

Bill


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on November 11, 2011, 02:42:37 AM
Watch for the post on Nov. 11.

Some neat stuff.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on November 11, 2011, 11:11:02 AM
Ray was up late or got up early. Anyhow our post for today is in place.

This will take you directly to the post: 

http://www.target550.com/gallery/140_couplers_windshield_jewelry/index.html

So many different things are happening and I miss some of them but this will

give you an idea of that they are accomplishing.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: WhizzbangK.C. on November 11, 2011, 12:43:56 PM
Freud, are the coupler cover clamps being balanced?

 I've used that type of clamp before, and ones designed for high speed applications usually seem to be designed as identical halves, resulting in the bolt heads pointing in opposite directions to maintain balance.

The one that you show looks more like a low speed design, with both heads facing the same way, putting more weight to one side of the clamp than the other. This is easier to deal with from a maintenance perspective, for sure, but could cause problems in this application.





Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on November 11, 2011, 01:07:53 PM
Whiz, I haven't asked but I doubt they have been balanced.

I'll check that out and THANKS for the heads up.

I'll forward your message to Jim, Dave and Marlo.

These are the ones that came with the couplers.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on November 11, 2011, 10:09:59 PM
I received replies from Marlo and Dave regarding the collars.


Heads pointing opposite direction was discussed after the present ones were made. Nothing is final at this point.
Thanks for the input.
Dave

Marlo was going out the door to go to El Mirage this afternoon. His short answer was:

"the bolt shank extends far enough to offset the weight of the head."

I know there will be more discussion regarding your question.

Thanks again for asking.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on November 17, 2011, 11:42:02 PM
Well this weekend is the last of my out of town adventures so the Target550.com post

will be delayed a few days. I am going to Las Vegas to attend the AMA Hall of Fame

induction for Phil Schilling. He was the editor of  CYCLE Magazine when Cook Neilson left.

He was also the main builder of  "OLD BLUE", the Ducati twin that dusted off the 4 cylinder rice burners

in the 1976 Daytona bike race.

I have the images for the post. I just need to arrange them and get them to Ray Therat. 

Thanks for your patience.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RidgeRunner on November 18, 2011, 07:20:21 AM
     Take your time with the post, it can wait, plenty of time for that later.

     Have a safe trip and enjoy the induction, a once in a lifetime event for all concerned.

     Got your PM's, thanks for the replies, helps keep my memory straight and the Barber has been moved up on my destination list.

                                Ed


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Stainless1 on November 18, 2011, 10:10:51 AM
WOW!!!
I can only visit this Marlo's site for an hour a week  :-D
Freud... Ray... Marlo... Les.... Hume... and everyone involved with this project... all anyone looking at this effort can say is WOW!
Picked up a few great ideas for our liner
take your time Freud, we will all wait.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on November 18, 2011, 09:13:30 PM
Even though Freud's in Las Vegas, he looked in his spy camera (I'd tell ya what it is, but I'm sworn to secrecy  :-D ) and found some images of additional work on the canopy windshield frame/molding:
http://www.target550.com/gallery/141_more_windshield_frame/index.html (http://www.target550.com/gallery/141_more_windshield_frame/index.html)

This shot seems to validate the concept that you can never have too many tools:

(http://www.target550.com/gallery/141_more_windshield_frame/141_007r6.jpg)

Although the post is a short one, there's a little more visual documentation of the projects progress.

Big thanks to Freud for putting this together and getting it to me from his hotel room.



Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on November 19, 2011, 02:24:48 AM
Thanks Ray.

Thanks to the rest of you for your interest.

More next week.  Much more.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on November 24, 2011, 01:22:43 PM
For all of us related to the Target550.com build: Happy Thanksgiving.

Marlo, Jim, Dave, Jason, Les, Korey, Dickie, Bob, Ray Therat, and myself,

FREUD

I'll have a post for Friday.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on November 24, 2011, 07:45:26 PM
We will have a new post FRIDAY.

It's about the canopy and the windshield fit.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on November 25, 2011, 12:28:31 PM
Here is a detailed look at the pieces and the assembly of the windshield frame and canopy.

http://www.target550.com/gallery/142_canopy_molding_windshield/index.html

In my opinion, it's amazing.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Glen on November 25, 2011, 12:46:32 PM
My guess is 4 to 500 hours to hand make the canopy. There is a lot of making templates and sample pieces and close fitting. Mastercraftsman for sure.
 :cheers:


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: WOODY@DDLLC on November 25, 2011, 12:56:14 PM
I'm gonna take a tin knocking class one of these days and I feel I already have an edge on the rest of the class just from watching this build!  :cheers:

[Plus that peened ashtray I built in high school shop class!  :-D]

Not enough thanks are possible to Ray & Freud and the crew for the pixs and for sharing this incredible project!  :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

We all should have bought Cleco stock at the start of this project!  :-D


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on November 25, 2011, 01:40:40 PM
Thanks Woody.  As I drive up to Hume's I too am wondering what they have done since my last visit.

I grew up in a machine shop and I started in there when I was 7 - 8 years old. That background has

made it exciting to watch this project.

It is amazing and the end is in sight.  There will always be "one more thing" to do but it is sure a lot

closer to being done that it was even a year ago.  Jason has made real progress on the rear wheel

fairings and it won't be long until they go to Frank Martinez to be duped in a composite.

I'll try to make certain that it's all presented in this diary.

THANKS for your comments.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Tman on November 27, 2011, 01:52:22 PM
Yes, thanks for the canopy pictures, that thing is art@! Gives me something to strive for on mine! :cheers:


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on November 27, 2011, 02:36:54 PM
Tman  canopy has been a long time in the making. In order to keep the proper shape, Hume built a jig a long time ago.

AS long as the piece was being massaged it was held in that jig. They knew from the beginning that the center would be removed

but it mattered not. It was finished to keep the flow of the piece proper. I can imagine Hume's thoughts as he started to cut out

the windshield section. The support frame for the canopy was done to the same standards. One of several of my favorite pieces

is the external/internal canopy release. It is so clever.

Now that the canopy lift cyl is all hooked up and working, I will do a short video to show how it works. At first it elevated properly

but it stopped to abruptly and would rebound. That has all be taken care of and one touch of the switch opens it immediately.

The canopy has such smooth curves that it is enjoyable to look at. Now with the windshield available it takes on a new dimension.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: salt on November 27, 2011, 04:29:25 PM
With over half a decade in the making and more to go, I can only keep my fingers crossed that the car's actually going to make it to Bonneville before they have to adjust their "project mission" as stated on their web page - and embark on a whole new round of fabricating to keep up with the quickly raising speeds we are seeing . . . .


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Glen on November 27, 2011, 04:50:11 PM
Until someone raises the bar to 500 mph it's still a open game. Next year will be interesting for sure. Lots of cars in the works.
Salt fever is calling for a fix.
 :cheers:


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on December 03, 2011, 12:03:53 AM
Sorry we arrived late with todays post but it's there and it's exciting.

http://www.target550.com/gallery/143_oil_pan_windshield/index.html

Have fun.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Kiwi Paul on December 03, 2011, 02:03:09 AM
A nice end to the evening, Doc. I can go to bed now. More work tomorrow, may even use my inspiration from this post to work on the T Coupe....also a Computer Course tomorrow to see if I can learn enough to post photos and a build Diary for the car...My Wife and Daughter have named it `Salty`...Previous Jalopy was named `Rusty`...wonder if Marlo has `named` the Streamliner..... :lol:


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on December 03, 2011, 11:58:02 AM
One time he called it "Not Yet."

I'll ask him today.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: desotoman on December 03, 2011, 10:03:47 PM
What happened to Viking 31, or was that just for the model?

This car is to sexy for the salt, to sexy for the salt, way to sexy for the salt.

Tom G.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on December 04, 2011, 02:44:48 AM
It is still Viking 31. The importance to that number is that it is considered as a project of the auto design and engineering section of

Western Washington University and has the same privileges in other colleges and universities in the State of Washington as does

any project developed within the halls and walls of that institution.

It's rather like Diplomatic Immunity. You can't buy it.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: SPARKY on December 04, 2011, 10:27:36 AM
This car is to sexy for the salt, to sexy for the salt, way to sexy for the salt.

Tom---I could not disagree more---

this Viking has the heart & SOLE of THOR--a street racer wantabe--let this Vicking  run toward Valhalla--- well at least toward the floating mountain then back toward the TRUCK STOP---records are to be broken  and history to be made!!!  :cheers: 


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on December 04, 2011, 04:19:42 PM
The Fed Ex driver told me that The Friends of Space Travel want Hume to build a new Space Shuttle.

I'm certain that he will let his friends get free rides.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Dean Los Angeles on December 04, 2011, 08:46:05 PM
Quote
This car is to sexy for the salt, to sexy for the salt, way to sexy for the salt.

I agree. Put it in a museum as a fantastic work of art.

But that time will come. First there is a job to do.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on December 05, 2011, 12:04:07 AM
Dean, you are correct. Thanks for your understanding.

They are working 120 hours per week.

I miss the progress on many of the parts and can only show some of them in the finished configuration.

But it's still fun for me.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Kiwi Paul on December 05, 2011, 12:11:31 AM
Honest, Doc, I tried to call,but the number wsn`t good. I even sent you an Email.....things are piling up in a haphazard fashion....seems like I need to work the same hours as the Hume Team.... :-o


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: desotoman on December 05, 2011, 02:57:26 PM

This car is to sexy for the salt, to sexy for the salt, way to sexy for the salt.

Tom---I could not disagree more records are to be broken  and history to be made!!! 

SPARKY



Quote
This car is to sexy for the salt, to sexy for the salt, way to sexy for the salt.

I agree. Put it in a museum as a fantastic work of art.

But that time will come. First there is a job to do.



Sparky and Dean,

I agree with both of you. It is just to bad the salt is so corrosive, but I guess you could say it will add patina to the car. LOL.

Maybe someday some gearhead will win the lottery and buy a piece of property that could hold a 12 mile asphalt Landspeed course. Then we would never have to worry about corrosion, or someone mining the surface away, or special interest groups trying to get us banned from running on public lands. Oh well, we can always dream.

Tom G.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on December 05, 2011, 03:07:27 PM
Lets make it 15 miles and cooling pipes in the surface to keep the temp down.

It would also need a hotel with inexpensive rooms.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on December 09, 2011, 09:29:06 PM
A new post just this evening.

The buck for the metal helmet restrainer inside the roll cage, the dust discharge from the clutch and the scattershield cover.

http://www.target550.com/gallery/144_clutch_%20roll_cage_buck/index.html

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Jack Gifford on December 10, 2011, 01:09:07 AM
Tell me about a "scattershield cover"...


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: jdincau on December 10, 2011, 06:55:13 AM
Tell me about a "scattershield cover"...
You mean the one that goes over that big hole in the top for adjusting the fingers and counterweights?


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on December 10, 2011, 12:10:37 PM
In post 144_018 ( the most recent one) it is the piece laying on the bench to the right of the shield.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Jack Gifford on December 10, 2011, 11:51:35 PM
... post 144_018...
Now I'm really confused :?


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on December 11, 2011, 01:29:02 AM
If you ever follow the build diary for Target550.com there is a picture that has a cover in it.

Go to:  http://www.target550.com/gallery/144_clutch_%20roll_cage_buck/144_018_jpg.html

There you will see the cover that needs to be replaced.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Jack Gifford on December 12, 2011, 12:59:59 AM
Thanks; I'd never heard it referred to as a "cover".

Maybe you can save me searching the rulebook: my SFI (out-of-date) clutch can has the chrome-moly "spinnable" liner- is the liner required in SCTA? Must the can's SFI be up-to-date?


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Jack Gifford on December 15, 2011, 12:50:50 AM
Apparently the answer is "no", per info in another thread. Thanks anyway.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on December 15, 2011, 05:59:33 AM
... post 144_018...
Now I'm really confused :?

Here's the way we keep track of things for the T-550 website:  Each post we make has a number. In this case, the post number was 144.  Then each photo has a sequence number, again in this case the photo number was 18.  I give it 3 digits just in case we have a gigantic post with more than 99 photos.

What I can do to try to make this a little easier to deal with is put the post number in the description on the main page and on the photo gallery page.  So last week's post would read "12/09/2011 - 144: Clutch cover, roll cage buck and new clutch can covers."  'Course then some goofball will ask "what does the 144 mean?"...even if it's painfully obvious that the number is sequential and increments with each successive post.  I guess I worked in software development too long.  

Anyway, unless otherwise preempted, I'll start this with the first post of the new year.

Hope everyone's having a great holiday season (gotta be PC, yanno?)



Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on December 16, 2011, 08:15:14 PM
It's a small post but it covers a necessary fix on the scatter shield.

http://www.target550.com/gallery/145_scatter_shields_modified/index.html

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on December 23, 2011, 06:44:12 AM
2011 in review, part 1.

Freud's had a buncha stuff on his plate lately so what I'm gonna do is present a look back at what went on with the Target 550 team, its members and the progress made on the liner during the year.

For the first section, which starts at the beginning (I think Alice said something like that when she visited Wonderland,) I'm gonna insert a photo of the man responsible for the project, without whose vision and concepts this just wouldn't be happening.  Here's a photo of Marlo Treit:

(http://www.target550.com/gallery/146_year_in_review_01/146_001r6.jpg)

And here's the link to the post:
http://www.target550.com/gallery/146_year_in_review_01/index.html (http://www.target550.com/gallery/146_year_in_review_01/index.html) 

A couple of things that I'll mention here.  First, I made the changes a little early so that the post number is on the main (index) page and the gallery page.  So when you see the link to the first post of the year, it'll be identified as number 85.  I didn't include anything from that post, because I think everybody's tired of seeing my shot of the sunset during 2010 Speedweek as the first image on the gallery page.  Other than that, this post includes photos from posts made early in the year.  Second, I've left Freud's original text embedded in the images which sometimes refer to other posts or images.  You can use the post number that now precedes the description to find 'em a little easier.

Finally, there are WAY too many images to include in a single post.  So they'll be spread over the coming days as the year draws to a close.

Enjoy,




Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on December 23, 2011, 11:56:09 AM
Ray, I really owe you.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: desotoman on December 23, 2011, 01:57:20 PM
Ray,

Thanks for the great post, and for helping Freud out.

Tom G.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on December 23, 2011, 02:52:14 PM
As much enjoyment as our audience receives from these posts is remarkable.

The joy that we receive from presenting this build diary is beyond any expectation we ever anticipated.

For Marlo, Jim Hume, Jason Hosking, Les Davenport, Dave Jeffers, Ray Therat and myself,

THANKS beyond our power to express.

It's much closer to completion. The effort still goes on.

Stay with us and we will soon have a test program underway.

Now I am looking forward to Ray's posts to conclude 2011.

Thanks, Rat.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on December 23, 2011, 03:18:13 PM
It's an honor to be part of the Target 550 team and an honor to be part of the LSR community.  I only have one regret.  I wish I'd started this...ohhh....about 1971 when I came back from Europe where I served in the military.  Last year's "learning experience" showed me how steep the learning curve is.  But I've had a lotta help.  Freud's been unbelievably helpful with photography, and it was Marlo, Dick Milne and Korey Bligh who helped get my race car to the point where I could make the runs that I did (and then back to the pits and on the trailer after I broke it.)  I think I'm the one who owes people favors and stuff. 

Anyway, there will be another post soon.  I'm not sayin when, cuz I don't really know.  But it won't be more than a coupla daze.  :)



Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: wheelrdealer on December 23, 2011, 07:09:45 PM
No, the thanks goes to you guys and the Target 550 guys for sharing. Your engineering and craftsmanship is beyond anything me and my guys could ever execute, but by reading and looking at the photos we are able to raise our fab work skills a little bit. Thanks to FREUD and Ray for the documentation. I really enjoy the updates. 

Happy Holidays.

Bill


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: mc1984ss on December 24, 2011, 10:34:09 AM
In post 100_003 it says new oil pans were necessary due to the engines being low in the chassis. Are these the same ones that were shown back in march? Just curious its a shame if they had to be rebuilt they looked perfect! We all know however that the new ones wont be any different.
Thank you all very much for the pictures and the posts I hope everyone has a Merry Christmas!


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on December 25, 2011, 06:30:02 AM
In post 100_003 it says new oil pans were necessary due to the engines being low in the chassis. Are these the same ones that were shown back in march? Just curious its a shame if they had to be rebuilt they looked perfect! We all know however that the new ones wont be any different.
Thank you all very much for the pictures and the posts I hope everyone has a Merry Christmas!

Image 100_003 IS the image from March.  There's been no change (that I know of) in the oil pans except for polishing that was described in post 143 of 12/02/2011. 

If you saw it in the most recent post, you saw what I labeled "The year in review."  All of the images are taken from previous posts throughout 2011.  I'll have the 2nd one posted tomorrow, 12/26.  Right now, I'm gonna post our Christmas greetings.



Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on December 25, 2011, 06:38:54 AM
Merry Christmas from the Target 550 team.  Here's our Christmas card for ya:

http://www.target550.com/gallery/147_xmas_2011/145_001_jpg.html (http://www.target550.com/gallery/147_xmas_2011/145_001_jpg.html)

Doc Freud's Christmas photo is a real kool one.  Here's a little teaser cropped out of it:

(http://www.target550.com/gallery/147_xmas_2011/147_001r3.jpg)

I hope everyone's Christmas is a great one and I look forward to seeing ya at the NW Reunion, on the salt and maybe at El Mirage.






Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Peter Jack on December 25, 2011, 09:13:12 AM
The "Host Gator" said page not found so I did a little investigating and came up with this.

http://www.target550.com/gallery/147_xmas_2011/145_001_jpg.html

When I go back and compare I see that if you pick from the second "http" onward you'll get the desired result. Technology's great.......................when it works.

Have a great Christmas and a happy New Year Ray and Freud!

Pete


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on December 25, 2011, 10:35:04 AM
Thanks for the catch, Peter.  I must have double-clicked when I entered the url.  I've edited it and it works now.  Life in the software lane.  :)


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on December 25, 2011, 11:36:58 AM
Doris and I want to say Merry Christmas. We will let New Years Day take care of itself.

FREUD



Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on December 26, 2011, 12:06:41 PM
The 2nd part of "The Year in Review" is on the server now:
http://www.target550.com/gallery/148_year_in_review_02/index.html (http://www.target550.com/gallery/148_year_in_review_02/index.html)

It covers posts 103 through 113.  I could ramble on at length about each photo, but instead, I'll suggest that you go check 'em out for yourselves.  I enjoyed putting these together; I think you'll enjoy seeing 'em.



Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: desotoman on December 26, 2011, 01:37:22 PM
Thanks for the post Ray. IMO this picture shows the raw horsepower this machine will have, double wall headers, mostly only seen on TF/FC's.

Tom G.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on December 27, 2011, 10:10:32 AM
Thanks for the post Ray. IMO this picture shows the raw horsepower this machine will have, double wall headers, mostly only seen on TF/FC's.

Tom G.

Glad you're enjoying 'em, Tom.  I agree about the impression of brute power as seen from the headers.  As I recall, they weren't real easy to build. 

Stay tuned for the next exciting episode, coming up next after a word from our sponsors.



Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on December 27, 2011, 10:22:16 AM
Hello again from the Target 550 fabrication site.  Today we're gonna look at posts 114 thru 122.  There are too many things to describe individually, so I'll just mention a few: Wheel enclosures, windshield, compressed air tube routing. wheel fairings and a lot more.

Here's a shot of the connection side of the instrument/control panel. It illustrates some of the plumbing and tube routing involved in the liner's construction.  Did I mention that everything is controlled by air, hydraulics or mechanical activation?  No electronics involved.  Refer to the KISS principle.  :)

(http://www.target550.com/gallery/149_year_in_review_03/121_039r6.jpg)

http://www.target550.com/gallery/149_year_in_review_03/index.html (http://www.target550.com/gallery/149_year_in_review_03/index.html)


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on December 27, 2011, 06:40:47 PM
For the people that haven't been to the salt and haven't seen the Suburban with the

Rat holding a camera, painted in the side window, here is my Hero Rat, Ray Therat.

He's been there. He's done that and he continues to make frequent posts from the build diary.

Meet   Ray Therat.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: sabat on December 27, 2011, 11:43:26 PM
Great photo. Happy new year and thanks to you both. Dean


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on December 28, 2011, 10:25:05 AM
Thanks for the good words and the kool photo, Doc.  Stand by for today's edition of the Year in Review.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on December 28, 2011, 10:34:47 AM
Today's part of the Year in Review covers posts 123-128.  Doesn't seem like much, but a lotta stuff happened at that time...even though Speedweek took place during that period and Freud and I were both on the salt for the duration:  Master cylinders, brakes, more wheel fairing work, oil tanks and lines and pressurizing the frame tubes...and more.

Here's a teaser shot that shows Dave Jeffers trying to make something smooth by rubbing it against something rough.  :)

(http://www.target550.com/gallery/150_year_in_review_04/123_027r6.jpg)

Here's the link:

http://www.target550.com/gallery/150_year_in_review_04/index.html (http://www.target550.com/gallery/150_year_in_review_04/index.html)

Have fun,


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on December 29, 2011, 12:34:21 PM
Ray Therat has posted another summary but it's not going to show up on Landracing.com.

Have a look.

http://target550.com/gallery/151_year_in_review_05/index.html

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on December 29, 2011, 02:47:54 PM
Here's a photo from the latest post that shows some parts that were to be sent for anodizing.  They had a sorta interesting trip. 

(http://www.target550.com/gallery/151_year_in_review_05/132_009r6.jpg)

Maybe Freud can give you the lowdown on their journey...I know that if I try to explain it, I'll get it wrong.



Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on December 30, 2011, 09:31:55 AM
Next-to-last Year In Review post:
http://www.target550.com/gallery/152_year_in_review_06/index.html

This one has photos from posts 134 thru 139.  Some of the areas covered:  Drive belt tensioner, wheel fairings, Greek couplers, windshield frame and a bunch more.  Oh, yeah....and the dyno test:

(http://www.target550.com/gallery/152_year_in_review_06/139_019r6.jpg)

To reiterate something about the dyno test, I'll mention that no HP numbers were announced because that wasn't the reason for the test, which was to validate the idea of mounting the Whipple blowers (huge frikkin blowers!) at a 90 degree angle from what might be considered "normal."  The test was successful and the power output, while not being expressed in numbers might be considered as "adequate."

I'll have one more post in this series...I plan to do that tomorrow morning...unless something changes.

Later,
 


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on December 31, 2011, 08:32:10 AM
Happy New Year's Eve day.  This is the final post in the Target 550 "Year In Review" series.  It's been interesting to me to go back over all that was accomplished in 2011.  I'll just give a simple description:  "A whole lot!!!"

This is one of the subtle indications of the progress:
(http://www.target550.com/gallery/153_year_in_review_07/144_020r6.jpg)

The photo shows a group of parts that have been removed and are being stored in the "back room."  This is being done so that the frame can be painted and then the parts will go back in. After that it otta be time to...well, I'll let you draw your own conclusions and just say that things are moving along very nicely.  I've gone back to the beginning of the year and looked at the great photos and re-read the text Doc Freud provides and I find something I overlooked every time.  If you're seriously into following this build, I suggest that you do the same thing.

But.  Here's the link to that last set of 36 images which were selected to give an overview of posts 140 through 145:
http://www.target550.com/gallery/153_year_in_review_07/index.html (http://www.target550.com/gallery/153_year_in_review_07/index.html)  It includes lube seals for the Greek couplers, the new windshield and its frame (what a work of art!), another look at the polished oil pans (gorgeous!) and more.

We'll be back to our regularly scheduled programming right quick...and I can hardly wait to see what Freud brought back in his camera (even if it IS a Nikon <G>) in the last trip to the shop.

In the mean time, enjoy these photos and I wish you all a VERY enjoyable and safe New Year's Eve.



Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Peter Jack on December 31, 2011, 11:26:33 AM
Ray, I shoot Nikon while my best bud shoots Canon. It's the ol' Ford vs. Chevy thing. Life's way more fun when you can be competitive rather than everyone following the same line. Oh, and I did catch the "grin" right after you gave Freud the little dig. Keep struggling away with those Canons!  :-D :-D :-D

Pete


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on December 31, 2011, 11:40:57 AM
It's really been great to sit back and enjoy Ray's review. There have even been surprises to me as I read his presentation.

That shouldn't be too much of a surprise. I forget what I have forgotten and that ain't good.

I will be hard pressed to present a flow to the stories. They will become more segmented. I am holding  the story

of the rear wheel fairings until they are complete. Then I can give a smoother presentation.

It goes w/o saying but all of us that are involved with this project are overjoyed with the enjoyment that the audience is receiving.

I'll do my best to hold your attention.

For Marlo Treit, Jim Hume, Dave Jeffers, Jason Hosking and Les Davenport,

Ray and I say THANK YOU and Happy New Year.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: SPARKY on December 31, 2011, 01:00:31 PM
sorry I clicked on by mistake  :? I wanted to enlarge!!


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: desotoman on December 31, 2011, 03:28:51 PM
A lot of great fabrication was done this past year as shown in the photos.

At this rate, great things will happen in the near future.

I wish all the Target 550 Team a Happy and Prosperous New Year 2012.

Tom G.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on January 01, 2012, 09:07:25 PM
I'm late with this "Happy New Year" post from The Target 550 team, but....well...Happy New Year!  :)

http://www.target550.com/gallery/154_man_machine_momentum/index.html (http://www.target550.com/gallery/154_man_machine_momentum/index.html)

As web elves are wont to do, I sneaked in while no one was watching and moved stuff around in the website.  Well, really, I've just given us a clean slate for 2012, with the 2011 and earlier stuff posted on their own pages.  We'll do out best to fill the new pages with lots of progress as captured by Doc Freud's camera.  I think it's gonna be a real interesting year.  Personally, I hope to break less stuff and go a little faster.  I spose that could be a new year's resolution for a lotta people.

Stay tuned.



Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on January 02, 2012, 11:28:39 AM
I'll be "on duty" starting Wednesday and do the first shoot of 2012.

This will be a transition year. The car will leave Hume's shop and go to Oregon.

Marlo will assemble the crew that will train to be efficient when it's time to run.

Testing will start and shakedown runs will be conducted and at the same time

the training for record runs will be woven into the training.

It's going to be a magic year and we will do our best to convey the progress.

With the help of Ray Therat we will keep everyone up to date.

Thanks for your interest.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on January 05, 2012, 12:58:28 AM
What an eye opener. I went to Hume's shop today. Much to my surprise the frame is almost bare.

The rear drive unit and everything behind it is still in place. Ahead of that there is nothing left. That's in preparation

for finishing and painting the frame. The reason that the rear portion is intact is so the rear wheel fairings can be completed.

It requires that everything that the fairings are attached to is there for the fitting. When the rear fairings are completed

the inside of the skin panels can be painted to resist corrosion. Then those panels will be riveted to the support structure.

Jason is building some tanks for another project and it will still be a while before he is back on the fairings.

The material for a rotisserie has been ordered. I'll tell you that this is going to be a heavy duty "squab roaster."

The 48" ring has been ordered. The project changes from little pieces to heavy duty iron again. Out comes the

rosebud and the gas bottles. I know I can show the finished rotisserie but I'll try to show the progress on just

one more item that is needed to get this baby on the salt.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Rex Schimmer on January 05, 2012, 01:11:41 AM
Freud,
As they are taking the car apart for final finish there is still one system that I have not seen, the steering system. I know that they are planning a hydraulic master/slave steering system but are there any details available?

Rex


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on January 05, 2012, 11:30:21 PM
It will be covered later.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Stan Back on January 06, 2012, 12:50:49 PM
Glenn --

Will the car be able to run under SCTA sanction?  I believe a hydraulic steering system is not allowed under 3.L(?).

Stan


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on January 06, 2012, 08:09:41 PM
I have no idea if SCTA will let the car run. It is not intended to be a SCTA car.

Did Summers Bros ever run SCTA?

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: jdincau on January 06, 2012, 08:56:54 PM
Did Summers Bros ever run SCTA?

FREUD

Not with the Goldenrod


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Glen on January 06, 2012, 09:01:30 PM
The Hanna Moore liner has Hydraulic steering I'M told.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: 4-barrel Mike on January 06, 2012, 10:20:53 PM
The Hanna Moore liner has Hydraulic steering I'M told.

From http://www.myrideisme.com/Blog/400-mph-bonneville-streamliner/ (http://www.myrideisme.com/Blog/400-mph-bonneville-streamliner/) 08/2011:

The Plan as laid out by Lee Kennedy:

 1.Run to the 2 1/4 mile Ė pull chutes
 2.Run to 3 miles Ė pull chutes
 3.Run to 4 miles Ė pull chutes
 4.Open it up and run all the way through to the 5 mile
 5.Set a recordÖ thatís always the plan at Speed Week!
 6.Rinse and repeat


Testing/proving the hydraulic steering?

Mike


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Rex Schimmer on January 07, 2012, 12:15:56 AM
The basic theory of hydraulic steering is pretty simple and easily understood but to make one that actually works is the trick. It gets into the details such as seals, rod bearing material, oil compressability , line size, cylinder size, system operating pressure, etc to actually make one that feels like a steering system. I will be interested to see how they do it.

Rex


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: desotoman on January 07, 2012, 12:42:13 AM
Rex,

Here is a good read for you.

Tom G.

http://pirate4x4.com/tech/billavista/PR-Hydro_Steering/index2.html


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Rex Schimmer on January 07, 2012, 07:47:55 PM
Tom,
The Dan Foss type power steering has been around for a long time, and all large off road equipment, farm equipment and farm tractors use some version of this type of steering and it works well and reliable for this application. It is good for something going 20 mph but I would not even consider it for something that is projected to go 500+mph! It is cumbersome, heavy, not very accurate and provides little driver feed back. If you have driven any of the later model farm tractors their steering is quite strange, the position of the steering wheel vs the direction the tractor is going is changing all of the time, this is because there is no feed back between the actuator that turns the wheels and the steering wheel. Kind of weird but you can get used to it at only 20 mph, not at 500.

Looking at Freud's pictures it looks to me that the Treit car is going to use some sort of master/slave system in which they use a standard steering box with the pitman arm connected to a hydraulic cylinder, the master cylinder. The steering box moves the piston on the cylinder and the oil from this cylinder is sent to the slave cylinder that then turns the wheels. This type of steering can be very accurate and provide good driver feed back but it is all in the details of how you do it that makes it work well. They could certainly use electronics to provide a very accurate and responsive system but I think one of the "rules" for the Treit car is "No electronics".

It is going to be interesting to see the details on their system just as it is interesting to see all of the other details on this fantastic car.

Rex


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on January 08, 2012, 12:10:30 PM
The first full post for 2012 has been done.

It shows a bare naked frame.

http://www.target550.com/gallery/155_chassis_stripped/index.html

it hasn't looked like this for 10 years.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: sabat on January 08, 2012, 01:07:26 PM
Huge amounts of careful preparation, with no testing, for a specific goal. Sort of like going to the moon.  :cheers:


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on January 08, 2012, 01:31:05 PM
Arrangements are being made for testing in the latter half of 2012.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: desotoman on January 08, 2012, 03:34:51 PM
OK, I just spent over an hour and went through every picture on the website. The first one I could find was 06-1 and went through 155-28. What an incredible journey though time watching the build come closer to its destination.

Now Doc I am going to put you on the spot. I noticed this picture posted on the site, but could not find any updates to its progress. Sooooooo what has happened since this photo was taken?

Tom G. 


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 08, 2012, 03:41:30 PM
Thanks once again fERD, we are not worthy :-o


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Elmo Rodge on January 08, 2012, 04:32:40 PM
Arrangements are being made for testing in the latter half of 2012.

FREUD
On the Moon?  :-D  :cheers: Wayno


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on January 08, 2012, 06:41:44 PM
Rufus is coming out the same day the Swain modified roadster fires up.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Richard 2 on January 08, 2012, 08:42:28 PM
The Hanna Moore liner has Hydraulic steering I'M told.

Yes it did have and they had trouble with it. I think they told me, the trouble was something to do with a servo.
Richard


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: desotoman on January 08, 2012, 10:36:41 PM
Rufus is coming out the same day the Swain modified roadster fires up.

FREUD

 :-D :-) :-( :-o :? 8-) :lol: :x :-P :oops: :cry: :evil: :roll: :| :mrgreen:

Is this a challenge? LOL. Fire up is easy, running down a course is not. Maybe I can get Lady GaGa to sponsor the car. LOL.

Tom G.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: charlie101 on January 09, 2012, 02:35:29 AM
For me it takes an hour just to browse thru the gallerys, you couldn't have gone through the enlarged pictures without getting caught on the unbelivebly crafty detail work that is and was done on this fantastic machine. To me the metal shaping craftmanship that is represented in this fine photography with comments is similar to poetry and art in its finest form and it can take half an hour or more to go through just a page. In its cohesive, the collection of pictures also show the masterly planning and execution of assemblys that is not short of a commercial aeroplane. I will miss the updates of the construction very mutch and would take the moment to say a heartfelt thank you to Mr.Treit and his champion crew for taking their time to share this with me.

OK, I just spent over an hour and went through every picture on the website. The first one I could find was 06-1 and went through 155-28. What an incredible journey though time watching the build come closer to its destination.

Now Doc I am going to put you on the spot. I noticed this picture posted on the site, but could not find any updates to its progress. Sooooooo what has happened since this photo was taken?

Tom G.  


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: desotoman on January 09, 2012, 01:22:56 PM

For me it takes an hour just to browse thru the gallery's, you couldn't have gone through the enlarged pictures without getting caught on the unbelievably crafty detail work that is and was done on this fantastic machine.


Charlie,

I have studied the pictures in depth many times over the years. All I did was a quick view of all the pictures for a review of what has been accomplished. You are correct, if it was my first time looking at the pictures I would have been on the Target 550 site for days. Sometimes a refresh is good.  :-)  But I can only speak for myself. The amount of work that has been accomplished on this Streamliner in the last year is just incredible. I cannot wait for it to go down the track.

Tom G.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: charlie101 on January 09, 2012, 05:04:44 PM
I hope you didn't take it as critisism Tom, I just took the chance to express my admiration of the target 550 project :cheers: :cheers:

[/quote]

Charlie,

I have studied the pictures in depth many times over the years. All I did was a quick view of all the pictures for a review of what has been accomplished. You are correct, if it was my first time looking at the pictures I would have been on the Target 550 site for days. Sometimes a refresh is good.  :-)  But I can only speak for myself. The amount of work that has been accomplished on this Streamliner in the last year is just incredible. I cannot wait for it to go down the track.

Tom G.
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Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: desotoman on January 09, 2012, 05:42:35 PM
Not at all Charlie, hope to meet you someday. Glad you like the build. All is good.  :-)

Tom G.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Rex Schimmer on January 09, 2012, 08:38:21 PM
As the "Target 550" car is disassembled and readied for its initial runs I thing I can speak for all of the "fans" of this project in that we can all appreciate the fantastic workmanship and design and I can say for myself that this build has truly set the standard for construction of land racing cars and I will use it as my guide, as I am sure many will, during the construction of my Bonneville, as meager as it may be when compared to this car. Like everyone I am waiting with
"anchovie on tongue" (that is "baited breath") to see this car turn its wheels in anger.

Rex


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Richard 2 on January 09, 2012, 08:45:51 PM
One thing about it, they have the pictures to put it back together.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on January 09, 2012, 10:07:04 PM
If you  want to see the earliest posts, go to Marlo Treit's Liner post  in the build diary.

It started in 2007.

http://www.landracing.com/forum/index.php/topic,2747.0.html

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on January 09, 2012, 10:08:55 PM
Just don't post in that segment.

Use this post area.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on January 15, 2012, 02:23:11 AM
It seems that I have been missing my usual Friday Post schedule.

So we will have a post on Sunday Jan 15th. It shows the front section of the rotisserie that will allow the 43 feet long

monster to be rotated like a hot dog to get great access to the welds that need to be finished and the frame prep and

painting.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on January 15, 2012, 09:16:20 AM
Creative insomnia:  I got the update put together and on the T-550 server:

http://www.target550.com/gallery/156_rotisserie_clamps/index.html (http://www.target550.com/gallery/156_rotisserie_clamps/index.html)

Great stuff as usual.  I think Freud was right about the comparison of the rotisserie rings to the cost of an engagement ring.  It'll be another work of art from the guys in the shop.

Now I'm gonna go back to bed for a short (I hope) rest before gettin on with the rest of the day.

Btw, it's 44F here in Utah...but that's the warm front before the snowstorm.  I spose I otta be out doing the stuff I can before the storm hits...but sleep sounds a lot better at the moment.  :)



Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: SPARKY on January 15, 2012, 09:45:47 AM
This thing is destined to be in Greenfield Village, along with another famous 'liner!!


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: WOODY@DDLLC on January 15, 2012, 01:00:54 PM
All I know is that it will be a lot easier to wipe my drool off the liner than to get it out of my keyboard!  :-o


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on January 15, 2012, 01:03:52 PM
THANK YOU, Ray.

I was still sleeping while you were contemplating it.

I think the builders should be listed in the Fine Art Gallery.

Where is the proper place for Marlo Treit?

He will be content to be in the FIA Record book.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on January 15, 2012, 01:13:06 PM
Woody, Thank You for your generous compliments.

It's a joy for me to be allowed to present this to all you gearheads.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: sailingadventure on January 15, 2012, 05:08:31 PM
I look forward to every up-date and the latest pictures, only the best of everything and the skill to build one of the best thought out cars I`ve ever seen. Like everyone else, I can`t wait to see it completed.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on January 15, 2012, 05:32:34 PM
Thanks, SA.  Glad you're enjoying the build diary.  It's a lotta fun for me to put it together, cuz I get the first look (and a long look, as I'm preparing the web pages.)  I'm grateful to be a part of the team.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Rick Byrnes on January 16, 2012, 12:04:41 PM
"This thing is destined to be in Greenfield Village, along with another famous 'liner!!"


SPARKY, you are right, but not untill it has gone blindingly fast, many times.  A fantastic machine, built by great people who are willing to share the best of the best.  Like everyone else, I really enjoy each update and look forward to seeing this wonderful machine run.

One problem with The Henry Ford Museum/Edison Instiute, is that they almost NEVER show whats under the skin.  They had one event with hoods up, and some skin off the cars, but this was for only a short period and has not been repeated.  Sad.  I was there three times for that event and learned something new each time.

I thank the entire Project 550 crew for sharing their creativity.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on January 16, 2012, 12:33:48 PM
Well Rick that's one request that could be answered in just minutes with this car.

We could display it with one side exposed and one side clothed.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on January 19, 2012, 02:04:31 PM
If there is a post this week it will be fotos from the past.  It's 60 miles to the shop and I didn't even attempt to go.

There is 9" of snow with ice about 7" from the ground and then 2" more snow on top of that but the humming birds are still feeding.

The feeders freeze about 27F so I have to bring them in and thaw them. It's 25 right now.

Right now we are getting freezing rain and the tree branches are breaking and taking power lines down with them.

100,000 people are w/o power.

I'll look and find some individual fotos that haven't ben used and try to make a post before Sunday.

Just keep checking www.target550.com.

http://www.wunderground.com/q/zmw:98201.1.99999

FREUD



Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: desotoman on January 19, 2012, 03:19:57 PM
Doc,

Stay inside and keep warm. Pictures can wait. We know you are good for them. We don't want anything to happen to the messenger. Will you be able to fly out for the banquet?

Tom G.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on January 19, 2012, 06:44:32 PM
One good thing about shooting photos in the snow - is that it is often an exercise in black and white and therefore more challenging - the basics of the photo (composition and so on) have to be correct 'cause the brilliant colors aren't there to prop up an otherwise crappy photograph.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on January 19, 2012, 10:24:26 PM
There is color in each image. The stop signs are red and the cooler on the deck is blue.

The snow isn't white even though I added exposure for the white.  The sky is so flat that the remainder

of the foto is blaaaah.

I think I will probably be able to fly to LA on Saturday. SeaTac airport had at least 100 flights cancelled today.

The temp has been 26F all day but is supposed to be 45 in the AM.  I'll get there if I can get out of the driveway.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Geo on January 19, 2012, 11:06:51 PM
With weather like that you have a chance to give Rufus a polish!   :cheers:

Geo


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on January 19, 2012, 11:41:26 PM
Geo, you and my wife are agitators.

Rufus is not the only poorly attended vehicle represented in these build diaries.

It's easier to get a car than to finish it.

Rufus will never be polished unless the owner does it.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Moxnix on January 19, 2012, 11:46:49 PM
My mother (87) lives over near the golf course on Colby.  I rang her up to see if she had electricity and enough to get by on for a few days.  All is well and she promised not to go outside and break her hip.  Streamliner photos are much appreciated here, as are color photos of black and white scenery.  Be safe.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Peter Jack on January 20, 2012, 05:18:02 AM
Freud, the pictures can wait (even if most of us are a little impatient). The "be safe and have fun" part of the standard wishes on this board are much more important. We're much better off having the pictures delayed a little than having the photographer out of commission for some period of time and not getting any at all.

Keep up the great work!  :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

Pete


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on January 20, 2012, 12:09:28 PM
Picky, picky, Freud.  I did see the little color spots-- and they certainly caught my eyes.  I stand by my comment about B/W photos, though, even if they have a bit of color content.  So - for snow you open the iris a little more than usual?  I could use tips like that - so please confirm - - as long as you're stranded in the house.  -11F here last night.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on January 22, 2012, 12:17:18 PM
I escaped the house. Marlo and I went to the El Mo banquet last night in LA.  The sun isn't shining but we don't need a coat.

I'll see if I can post something later today.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Glen on January 22, 2012, 08:53:48 PM
Freud, as always good to see you and Marlo. Even if I had to bail him out again with a jump start. Those cheap rental cars a pain. Hope you guys made it to jack's garage.
 :cheers:


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on January 23, 2012, 01:15:54 AM
We arrived at Jack's Garage and only 4 visitors were still there. Tom Girardi, J.D. Tone, with his recently acquired '56 Ford two door hardtop,

an exact model of Carrol Miller's Bonneville car that he ran in '56 and '57, Warren Bullis, and Jim Ludiker, a biker that still has several

350 cc records that he ran in 1985 and the  Head Wrench, Jack Underwood. Jack lead the prayer session. I asked him for what he was praying

and he said, "that we would soon be leaving.

Then the GPS misfired and took us to San Berdoo and stopped in to drink and BS with Stan Back. This time Marlo prayed and when I asked

him for what he prayed he said, " that I didn't want to stay too long."

They are both waiting to see if their prayers were answered. Help for both of then can be provided at local prayer groups.

No pictures will be posted. The battery in the spy camera died. I forgot to charge it before I left home.

Other than not knowing how to shut the rental cars back window wiper off, we are doing fine without adult supervision.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Jack Gifford on January 24, 2012, 12:52:38 AM
I'm sure you meant Karol Miller, the sensation of the '57 meet, who drove his 302 c.i. Y-block to Bonneville, made all runs over 148 MPH, and grabbed the C-Gas record at 150.097 MPH, and drove back home home to Houston!


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on January 24, 2012, 10:42:03 AM
PJ....THANKS.  Neither of us knew how to spell his name but Carol was not one of the options.

Marlo says it was a 312 c.i. but he did stun the crowd and no one saw under the hood.

We are going to see Isky's place this AM.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on January 26, 2012, 01:04:06 PM
My next post, in a day or two, will be a knock out. That rotisserie is fantastic.

The frame is totally bare and all of the welds were finished yesterday.

Painting is very close.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on January 29, 2012, 01:12:56 AM
Next post.....Sunday Jan 29.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on January 30, 2012, 02:00:35 AM
Well I thought it would be Sunday and now it will probably be Monday. It's done and I sent it to Ray.

There are 72 pictures. It took me all day to sort them out of 200 that I shot on Wednesday.

Have a look at one of the samples. Lets make it two samples.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: sabat on January 30, 2012, 07:08:47 AM
Great samples Doc. Looking forward to this installment.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on January 30, 2012, 09:28:02 AM
The latest post (#157) is now available on the server:
http://www.target550.com/gallery/157_frame_on_rotisserie/index.html (http://www.target550.com/gallery/157_frame_on_rotisserie/index.html)

This is a BIG post.  There's a lotta material covered, as well as providing some in-depth looks at what's being done while the "pigeon" is skewered on the rotisserie's spit.

Here's another teaser photo:

(http://www.target550.com/gallery/157_frame_on_rotisserie/157_000a.jpg)

Freud explains what's happening pretty darned clearly.  Once again, it seems like the progress is moving forward with increasing momentum, sorta like a huge snowball rolling down hill.  It keeps getting larger and going faster and larger and faster...you get the picture.

It's just getting closer and closer.

Btw, Freud had the post to me Sunday night...but I was too tired and burned out from watching/listening to the entire Daytona 24 Hours and sorta...uhh...not getting any sleep cuz I wanted to follow the whole thing.  Just like a kid...I didn't wanna go to sleep for fear of missing something.  Duh.  So it was my drowsy condition that prevented the post from being done on time.

Enjoy,



Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Dean Los Angeles on January 30, 2012, 10:25:44 AM
Hey! No apologies!
Remember when you were a kid and mom says it's bedtime. And the only thing you wanted to do in the world was stay up and watch television?

Isn't it nice to be able to do that now?

Still a kid, still very immature, enjoying every minute of it.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on January 30, 2012, 11:04:44 AM
Thanks Ray.

That was a tough one for me. I sorted those 72 images out of 200 that I shot last Wednesday.

I still have at least another post in that group. Organizing them is a huge challenge.

I have an appointment up that way today so I will stop by for a while.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Peter Jack on January 30, 2012, 11:24:34 AM
Thanks for all those detail shots. I really like the welding shots. One of these days I'm going to try some but the problem is I'm usually wielding the torch and it's difficult to use the camera at the same time. Have you got a rough starting point for speed, aperture and ISO?

Again, thanks Freud and Ray. You guys do great work!  :-D :-D :-D

Pete


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on January 30, 2012, 03:15:32 PM
@Dean.  Ya nailed it.  I stayed up to watch the race cuz I could.  And it wasn't my ma that I argued with about that.  It was my Quaker granny who took a real dim view of me staying up late to listen to rock 'n roll or jazz.  No sense of humor, that woman.

@Peter:  The EXIF data is on every photo.  If you use Firefox as your web browser, there's an add-on called FxIF that will show all the exposure info in the Properties view of an image.  It's really a great source of info.  But.  Freud uses outrageously high ISO values...because HE can.  His Nikon D700 produces amazing photos up to 6400 ISO...and I spose it would do pretty well in the extended ISO range as well.

Most of the shots in the post were shot around 1/200th, f7.1, +1 EV and 5000 ISO.  The darker welding shots were stopped down (underexposed) several stops with shutter speed and aperture.

hth,


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Peter Jack on January 30, 2012, 04:09:39 PM
Thanks Ray. I did a little knocking around in IE and used Panda IEXIF 2 and found the same information.

I shoot with Nikon for 2 reasons. The first is that I like its high ISO performance and the other main reason is that my best buddy shoots with Canon. If we both used the same brand what would there be to argue about? It's the old Chevy vs. Ford thing and we all know competition rocks!  :-D :-D :-D

Pete


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Dean Los Angeles on January 30, 2012, 04:17:04 PM
During the welding process it is important to have your welder wired properly and to wear the proper mask and gear to achieve a proper weld:
(https://encrypted-tbn3.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTEXk1SiihoZlRu9CUaZ3W0yWNYP7DVCJtc7ohu42kW7JyiJfv0)(http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRUsMBmyQqsmSgSRVs832oukgIDzj4cUlDN62JgeovvzIOMxXfICmN_ir4pdw)(https://encrypted-tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQQQyrp-BaC_tZgft_e8EZWSdIHdlA8TAY5SMLzqQmXgT1FZrWYzw)(https://encrypted-tbn1.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS1tT3bD7ff-ktdZwqdERHvYW-eHIf1-SaUhaMPuYcTQTAuQoPO)

I thought a little perspective was necessary in the middle of this damn fine perfection. :-D

Poll: Looking at the frame on the rotisserie, how many brackets do you recognize from many hours of analyzing photos? I'm down for 80%.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on January 30, 2012, 04:18:37 PM
You got that
Thanks Ray. I did a little knocking around in IE and used Panda IEXIF 2 and found the same information.

I shoot with Nikon for 2 reasons. The first is that I like its high ISO performance and the other main reason is that my best buddy shoots with Canon. If we both used the same brand what would there be to argue about? It's the old Chevy vs. Ford thing and we all know competition rocks!  :-D :-D :-D

Pete

Yep.  I like shooting Canons for the same reason.  I get to argue with "Nikonian" friends as a "Canonite."  :)

Btw, if you get a chance to try Firefox, I highly recommend it.  I had to go back to IE for a couple of things (other than testing) and it was sorta like using a box of rocks in place of my tool chest.  No, I don't own stock in the company, but little things like having a real-time spell-checker and all the add-ons that are available to make it completely customizable (not to mention the "About:config" feature which REALLY lets ya get under the hood and tweak it) are absolute necessities to me, now that I've gotten used to 'em.  And I use Chrome, Opera and IE to test web stuff I do, so I get a constant comparison whenever I release new stuff on the sites I maintain.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on January 30, 2012, 04:29:33 PM
During the welding process it is important to have your welder wired properly and to wear the proper mask and gear to achieve a proper weld:
(https://encrypted-tbn3.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTEXk1SiihoZlRu9CUaZ3W0yWNYP7DVCJtc7ohu42kW7JyiJfv0)(http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRUsMBmyQqsmSgSRVs832oukgIDzj4cUlDN62JgeovvzIOMxXfICmN_ir4pdw)(https://encrypted-tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQQQyrp-BaC_tZgft_e8EZWSdIHdlA8TAY5SMLzqQmXgT1FZrWYzw)(https://encrypted-tbn1.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS1tT3bD7ff-ktdZwqdERHvYW-eHIf1-SaUhaMPuYcTQTAuQoPO)

I thought a little perspective was necessary in the middle of this damn fine perfection. :-D

Poll: Looking at the frame on the rotisserie, how many brackets do you recognize from many hours of analyzing photos? I'm down for 80%.

LOL!!!  I think I recognize some stuff in those photos...especially the wiring.  Looks just like my computer setup.  :)


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Peter Jack on January 30, 2012, 04:32:49 PM
I always thought the term was "Canonista". All in good fun.  :-D :-D :-D

Now back to the real subject...............Target 550.

Pete


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Dr Goggles on January 30, 2012, 05:40:13 PM
They have a solution for everything, from brutal to elegant, like the rotisserie. It has been a journey watching this monster being born . Thanks Freud, thanks Ray....but especially thanks to all those who are throwing their best shots at building it.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on January 31, 2012, 02:04:31 AM
Well I generally only go to the shop once a week. I went on last Wednesday (Jan 25) and did 200 images. 72 of them were used in Post 157. I had an appointment

with my chiropractor today (Jan 30) and after that I went back to the shop.I did another 110 today. Jason was pressure testing the frame and welding the pinholes that

occurred when changes have been made in parts that were attached and removed. Dave was working on a drive unit and newcomer, Russ Armstrong, the owner of

Skagit Grand Central Body Shop, Sedro-Woolley, WA. is preparing the frame for paint. He will also do the painting. The place is going nuts............

By looking for detail shots the 8GB card fills rapidly. The D700 Nikon allows me to capture each image in 2 different forms: a JPG file of 5MB and a

13MB RAW (NEF). The NEF files are my backups. They are saved separately from the JPGs. If I run into a problem with a JPG file I just open the NEF, alter it and save

it as a JPG. All of the images in the posts are JPG. So when I posted 72 images the zip file of the post was 8.9MB. The 72 images (800 x 600) and around 160kb each

totaled 12MB. 70 images shot in the dual format require 670MB of file storage. The HD is 2T and last years fotos occupy 0.3T.

When I shot with the D100 Nikon I frequently used a strobe for fill. It would only record one file type at a time. Since it didn't have the digital HP of the D700 I was

challenged. Camera in one hand, strobe in the other and unreal body positions were all challenges. Now I just kick the EI up to 5000 - 6400 and shoot away. I have

smaller apertures and faster shutter speeds. I don't find these conditions to compromise the images so I blindly stumble around clicking away. The fluorescent ceiling

lights are a pain in the ear. If the image is underexposed the color balance goes down the toilet. But the light is generally quite uniform. With Photoshop I can always

alter the color temp and I frequently do. To sort the 200 images, chose the order to present them and then rearrange them I spent about 3 hours. Then even after I

had the sequence established it took 6 1/2 hours to organize the post. I was way behind on the Bonneville NW Reunion and that kept me from doing the post until

Sunday AM. I wrote the first page that morning and then didn't get to the images until 2:30PM. I finished at 10:25 PM and took several breaks to eat and say hello to

my wife. So I spent about 9 1/2 hours on it. I shouldn't have hurried so much. Ray had to correct some spelling errors that spell checker didn't handle to his satisfaction.

I use ACDSee Pro to arrange the images. I do some modifications in ACDSee Pro but generally alterations are done in Photoshop CS5. I have to thank Ray for convincing

me to try ACDSee Pro. It is a blessing. I would like to present the images much larger but band width and pre-established standards limit us.

When I send him the post he proof reads it and tells me of the needed alterations. Each post is saved in 4 folders. The JPGs, the NEF files, the PSD files and the post

file. I do not combine these files until I have made any needed alterations. I can go to the NEF file, alter it, save the changes, then save it as the same numbered JPG

in the post file.

Then I send the correction to Ray. That way my post file exactly matches what we post. If I have stored the files before I make corrections it involves more steps and

frequently it turns into a basket of snakes. Without Ray Therat this build diary in TARGET550 would not exist. That's the plain d a m n e d  truth. That man pulled me out

of the path of the manure spreader after he put the web site in a condition that I could feed it. Please THANK Ray anytime that you see him. He deserves it.

Now the last group to THANK . Jim Hume, Jason Hasking and Dave Jeffers are so helpful. They answer my questions in terms that I can pass along to you. They

are always willing, if I ask to have something moved or need a hand to get a foto, to help me. Even when I try I am no doubt an interruption in their work schedule. So

far they haven't threatened me with bodily harm. My insurance is up to date.

The Northern Light of the entire project is Marlo Treit. He allows me total access to the project. He never hollers on the fone if I make a tiny mistake. Marlo and I have

discussed this project for over 20 years. It is getting to the place that I get chicken skin just thinking about it. I told Jim Hume, when the frame was all assembled that

it sure seemed great to be so far along. Everything else has only taken about 4 times as much time as the chassis. During all this time Marlo has been the "rock' that

just continued to guide, provide and helped with ideas and suggestions. In that same vain he has done the same for the photography for this site. Someday I am

going to send him some 4 x 6 fotos for his wallet.   MARLO.........you are a friggin' jewel.  THANKS for everything including this unrealistic car.

Can I go along when you decide to run it?

needing guidance,   

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: wheelrdealer on January 31, 2012, 07:30:11 AM
Freud, Ray, Marlo, Jason, Jim and Dave,

Thank you for sharing this fantastic build. The craftmanship is second to none. I have enjoyed and have learned a lot from the posts.

Thanks again,

Bill


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Dean Los Angeles on January 31, 2012, 10:19:32 AM
In case you totally missed the number, Freud is an 80 year old guy using a computer like a pro. You see so many older people give up on trying to stay current with the technology.
Remember film? Spending hours in the darkroom trying to correct a dodgy print? After you spent hours processing the film in the first place? The cost of taking this many photos on film would be staggering.

No wonder Kodak went bankrupt.

There are numerous projects going on in the world like this one. We wish we could peek over the shoulder on all of these projects.
Thanks to all of the open minded people on this project we can sit back and take it all in. And it's glorious.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Tman on January 31, 2012, 10:23:12 AM
In case you totally missed the number, Freud is an 80 year old guy using a computer like a pro. You see so many older people give up on trying to stay current with the technology.
Remember film? Spending hours in the darkroom trying to correct a dodgy print? After you spent hours processing the film in the first place? The cost of taking this many photos on film would be staggering.

No wonder Kodak went bankrupt.

There are numerous projects going on in the world like this one. We wish we could peek over the shoulder on all of these projects.
Thanks to all of the open minded people on this project we can sit back and take it all in. And it's glorious.

Very well said Dean. But I do kinda miss my time in the darkroom!


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on January 31, 2012, 11:00:23 AM
So we keep an old car in the garage. It never moves. The daily driver sits outside. It happens in every state and it's always the same question. What ya gonna do with that car?

No answer satisfies and we will likely never do anything with it. Na, I won't sell it......................

Well I have a car in my garage. Same questions.....similar progress and my wife gives suggestions.

I also have a darkroom. It was exceptionally well equipped. My B/W skills kept me employed by magazines because of the way my prints looked when they published them.

I have a nearly new Nikon F5 sitting here. It cost a bundle and is now worth almost nothing but it's sorta' like driving a pristine 1939 LaSalle coupe.

There is not a day that I don't burn to clear out a path to the darkroom door, mix some chemistry and process and print. It is a burning desire that will probably never be

extinguished. There is nothing like the satisfaction achieved to see a brilliant print hanging to dry as the water drains down to the bottom of the self produced image.

I only miss several old girlfriends but I constantly miss the satisfaction of a B/W print.

If I could just get a path cleared to the door.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on January 31, 2012, 11:44:36 AM
I just need your attention and action. This regards the Bonneville NW Reunion.

All of the fabricators will be attending. You can quiz them one to one.

How about keeping those cards and letter coming with a check enclosed.

Time is getting short and I need more guests to make it happen.

bonnevillenwreunion.com

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: TwinSpin on January 31, 2012, 01:43:03 PM
Freud and Ray - -

I was going to wait until the Reunion to thank you for the pictures and documentation of the Treit Streamliner. You have educated and entertained me about the quality people who are part of my new field of interest, land racing. Your detailed pictures showed me a standard of design and craftsmanship I will reach for as I contemplate the design of my lower class cycle build, my first. It will be fun to chat with these guys at the reunion. I plan to come away smarter and honored. 

I look forward to meeting you there too.

With Approbation,

Bill


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on January 31, 2012, 10:28:36 PM
I got this little "excuse note for the hall monitor" from Marlo Treit explaining Freud's little issue with missing a week's post.  I think it's a valid excuse and we otta rescind the order of mandatory study hall so he can go back to work on some of his other projects:

Well, Doc Freud spoke to the web site watchers and more or less apologized for missing a week on the posting.  What he did not want to say was that he was on an "educational and social excursion".

Glenn Freudenberger, the photo man for Target 550 is also the photographer for the Dry Lakes Hall of Fame, contributor to the BNI/SCTA program, as well as contributing to Granite Falls high school race teams, both the girls and the boys.  The boys team ran their car at World of Speed and set a record for the Slowest Ever Diesel Car.  See World of Speed USFRA http://www.saltflats.com/ (http://www.saltflats.com/) for the number of runs and the speeds.

Back to where Glenn was.  He attended the SCTA awards banquet, the Sunday morning coffee at Jack's Garage where many racers start their day, investigated the Orange County Great park, El Toro airbase for possible test runs for Target 550, had a session with Eric at Stage V cylinder heads doing research on 426 Hemi heads, visited with the man who puts the program together for SpeedWeek,  Jim Kitchen,  stopped at Mike Lefever's shop, (engine tuner for many Bonneville record holders, Kugel, Hammonds to drop a couple of names), down the road a little farther for a private tour of Parnelli Jones museum of Speedway, sprint and SCCA winning cars and dining with Isky and Nick Arias.  From there we returned the rental car: 4 days, 500 miles, two trips through the "In and Out" burger and fine dining at an Ethel's local beanery in Irvine. 

So, that is why the no good SOB did not get photos or the post done for Target 550.  Some people just don't understand time management.  Of course there is the travel time from Everett to LA, the wonderful service of the TSA to keep us all safe and the airline agent who issued Glenn a boarding pass in someone else's name. (Go to the back of the line and start over.)

He gets an excused absence from me as I had to keep him in line on the trip and the battery was dead in his camera when he got to LA.  There was a lot more to it, but at my age I forget some of the details and  have selective memory to protect the innocent.

I also want to thank Bob Painton for opening some of the doors so we could get this all done.  Thanks, Bob.

marlo


I think that otta be sufficient.  Maybe you otta take a day off and rest up from the exertion, Doc.  :)  (Yeah, I know...there's that little Bonneville NorthWest Reunion thing....) 

Just to add something here...yesterday I put together a slide show of images from the Target 550 files, going WAY back to the very beginning (well before I got involved with the project.)  Yanno, there are a lotta photos there, most of 'em have captions that Freud added, one image at a time.  The darned thing ended up being 40 megabytes in size.  A little bigger than a breadbox.  So....it'll be shown during "happy hour" prior to the banquet at the Reunion.  A kinda "limited edition" thing.  So if ya wanna see it, come to the Reunion.  Maybe afterward we can find a place to store it, but for the moment, "be there or be square" or something equally as lame.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on February 03, 2012, 10:12:23 PM
The next post will be Sunday so if the Super Bowl gets boring or your team is losing you can see our idea of sport.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: desotoman on February 04, 2012, 01:10:12 PM
The next post will be Sunday so if the Super Bowl gets boring or your team is losing you can see our idea of sport.

FREUD

Thanks.

Tom G.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on February 05, 2012, 03:29:50 PM
Now that my morning walk and breakfast with mimosas are complete and downed I will give the url for todays post.

http://www.target550.com/gallery/158_harness_attachments_%20pin_holes_paint/index.html

I am happy to introduce a new team member. Russ Armstrong from Burlington, WA has been added to prepare and paint the frame.

He jumped right to it and finished the tail section at his own shop. It gives a feeling that things are progressing very well.

Thanks for your interest.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on February 08, 2012, 01:07:43 AM
Have a look at some of the other skills of Russ Armstrong, the dude that is painting the frame for the 'liner.

He builds them and he flies them.

http://www.target550.com/news.html

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on February 09, 2012, 02:03:17 AM
I returned home from Hume's shop about 6 PM today. I couldn't believe it.

The frame is completely painted. Russ worked until late at night and he has it done.

To me, that is exciting. This weeks post will show it.

FREUD



Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on February 10, 2012, 03:31:02 PM
The principals of the Target550 team will be at the B'ville NW Reunion Feb 18th.

Since the PT boat team will be the Friday night speakers you will have to question

Marlo, Jim, Dave, Russ and Jason at the banquet.  (www.bonnevillenwreunion.com)

If they have forgotten the answers to your questions they can go back to the fotos

on the build diary and get the answers.

Dave Davidson, owner and driver of the ground shaking 300+MPH roadster will be the Saturday night speaker.

His video will give us the sound of that run and I guarantee you "chicken skin."

COME ON DOWN.

FREUD

425-337-4558    425-422-6944

fotofreud@aol.com

bonnevillenwreunion.com




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Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on February 12, 2012, 12:18:27 PM
Still a day or so to register at the banquet in Portland Feb 18th.

bonnevillenwreunion.com.

Have a look and join us

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on February 12, 2012, 11:10:49 PM
There are 48 images of painting the frame on the 'liner.

Just posted tonight.

Here is the url:    http://www.target550.com/gallery/159_paint_plus/index.html

The subject is Paint Plus. It's about prepping and painting the frame.....inside a machine shop without a paint booth.

It's also about the paint.

Have fun reading through these images.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on February 17, 2012, 02:10:47 AM
I'm on the road Friday AM to the Bonneville NW Reunion in Portland. I have the fotos with me and I will try to

get a post done for Friday or Saturday posting. Ray Therat has an assignment in the Portland area that will take Friday afternoon

and Sunday. Friday night the PT boat fellows will be at the hotel and Saturday AM is the invited tour of their boat. I have no idea

when we will get teh post online but there will be one this weekend.

Wish you could be with us this weekend.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Peter Jack on February 17, 2012, 02:30:53 AM
Some of us wish we were there too Freud. Have a great event.  :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

Pete


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on February 17, 2012, 06:12:01 PM
Thank You, Peter.

Next time and bring Bob.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: wheelrdealer on February 17, 2012, 09:39:22 PM
Freud:

Have a great event and I hope you have great time.

Bill


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on February 18, 2012, 03:25:09 AM
Wheels......it's already started. The fellows from PT Boat 658 knocked our sox off with their presentation.

They are taking our people on a tour of the boat Saturday morning and will fire up one of the rare Packard

engines.

Thanks for supporting us................

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on February 19, 2012, 12:09:58 PM
A quickie:  I'm in Portland for the Bonneville NW Reunion.  ( http://bonnevillenwreunion.com/ ) 

Friday nite we had a presentation by the guys who've restored a PT boat to "as close to original" as possible.  Then Saturday morning, we got to go see the boat.  What a great experience!  They fired up one of the 3 V12 motors and blew us all away with the level of noise in the engine room.  And to think that there were 2 more motors that were used at the same time.  Unreel!

Check out their site here:
http://www.savetheptboatinc.com/index.htm (http://www.savetheptboatinc.com/index.htm)

Saturday nite Dave Davidson talked about his experience driving the 911 roadster and being the first to run one over 300 mph on the salt and over 250 on the dirt at El Mirage.  Fascinating!

I gotta get moving, but I'm having a great time.  I wish everyone could be here and enjoy this.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on February 20, 2012, 01:02:11 AM
It will be late in the day but I plan to send a post to Ray Monday evening.

Thanks

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on February 20, 2012, 12:12:17 PM
I'll post it as soon as I get it.



Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Dean Los Angeles on February 20, 2012, 12:59:54 PM
I'll read it as soon as you post it. 8-)


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on February 20, 2012, 08:36:15 PM
Thanks Deano.............


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on February 20, 2012, 09:51:43 PM
A preview of a photo coming to a post office wall near you.  Jason Hosking, Dave Jeffers, Ray Therat and Jim Hume.  Shot today at Hume's shop just before the witnesses identified the usual suspects.



Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on February 21, 2012, 01:18:18 AM
A few days late but still showing compassion........OH YA !!

Ray has just finished the work to make Post 160 available to the public.

Here is the url: http://www.target550.com/gallery/160_bone_yard_&_parts_pickers/index.html

At long last the reassembly has started.

Have fun.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Dean Los Angeles on February 21, 2012, 10:25:09 AM
Where would we be without Ziploc bags with the panel to write on?

If there is question about how a part is installed there are thousands of photos.

And don't think I didn't miss the stack of well aged wood.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Rex Schimmer on February 21, 2012, 11:02:54 AM
Amazing how, through your and Ray's efforts and diligence, we can recognize most of the parts in the latest photos. You have done a great service to all of us "Kibutzers" as we have watched the progress of this car. I agree with Dean that your photo log of this build will also be a great assistance to the crew as they reassemble.

Thanks!!!

Rex


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Stainless1 on February 21, 2012, 12:23:39 PM
...
And don't think I didn't miss the stack of well aged wood.

I get a little of that every time I see new fotos of this car myself....  :-D


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on February 23, 2012, 06:05:37 PM
It's Thursday and we are posting a day early to make up for the times we are late.

Here is the url:

http://www.target550.com/gallery/161_reassembly_progress_is_evident/index.html

The frame really looks great with the light color.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: desotoman on February 24, 2012, 12:25:59 PM
I feel this will be a great year for the Target 550 Team. You all have done a fantastic job and are getting closer every day to attempt your goal. I wish you all the best.

Tom G.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: robfrey on February 28, 2012, 09:42:06 PM
I like the light color frame. It is much easier to inspect for cracks, not that I'd be expecting any on this build.
This is really looking good! Go guys go!


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on February 29, 2012, 11:15:17 AM
Rob in my opinion that paint should be investigated for every Bonneville build.

It is as tough as a boars nose and applies easily. The etch prep has an odor but

is fast and efficient. I haven't seen it on the salt yet but I think it will be very

protective and save a lot of worry about corrosion.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: DND on February 29, 2012, 04:04:35 PM
When i saw Russ with out a respirator i figured it must be a type of water base paint, after reading your note that tell's about the product it all makes sence now.

Sure is a hi tech world now with all the trick produts that one can buy.

I just joined up here on the forum and have been reading the build log on this great liner, plus seeing my old friend Dave making some chips is pretty cool too !!

Don


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on February 29, 2012, 04:29:14 PM
Welcome Don.  I saw the painted frame a week or so ago.  It's gorgeous.   I also got to meet Russ at the NW Reunion and then again at his shop (saw his Model A "Snark"...killer machine...runs 8.90s)  And, yeah, Dave was makin chips when I last saw him.  Well, that's not entirely true...I saw him as we were leaving the shop. He was standing by his classic car:

(http://www.target550.com/temp/2012020%209875r8.jpg)

:)



Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on March 03, 2012, 06:50:41 PM
Ray Therat has shown his skills. He posted fotos that He did following his excursion to the Pacific Northwest

to attend the Bonneville NW Reunion. (www.bonnevillenwreunion.com)

I have no idea how he slipped under the door with a camera strapped around his neck.

Take a look and see what impressed him.

http://www.target550.com/gallery/162_rats_fotos/index.html

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Tman on March 04, 2012, 09:34:28 PM
Congrats to Les Davenport for winning his class at the MARCH MEET!~


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: racergeo on March 05, 2012, 05:12:00 PM
  I had the pleasure of talking to Les and his son Ryan (who drives the BUCKY'S TF funny car) right before the final and watched him win with a 6.22ET. So in 7 runs over the event he ran between 6.18 an 6.22! A blown top alcohol bracket racer. For you that aren't familiar with Les and his acomplishments he is one of the greatest blown alcohol tuners of all time. Tuned many a funny car and dragster to fame.Unfortunally they all  lost there fortune to the NHRA. Les told me how much effortless HP the engines for Target 550 make and he thinks under the right conditions 500 at the saltflats is possible. It's all about slowing 8000lbs. Sure was fun getting some sun on me!


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on March 05, 2012, 06:14:26 PM
racegoer, THANKS for beating the drum for Les Davenport. Not many people know what a talent he is.

Building HP is one of his huge talents. Winning at the drag strip is his relaxation.

It's not surprising to be buried by Les Davenport at any strip.

THANKS AGAIN,

FREUD



Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Jack Gifford on March 06, 2012, 02:03:51 AM
Just sayin'... "building HP" and bracket-racing are totally different endeavors.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Bob Drury on March 06, 2012, 03:31:19 AM
  Jack, while respecting your opinion and having met Les, I can tell you that any man who built and flies his own airplane, built and uses his own dyno and has many NHRA Alcohol Dragster and Funny Car racers who not only pay him to fly into national event to tune their cars, but ship their motors to Edmonton for Dynoing, ain't stupid.
  Oh yeah, I almost forgot that he single handedly ended the AA/GS class in Nostalgia Drag Racing when he spent over 600 hours taking a legal 671 blower and manifold for Jirka Kapilans 63 Corvette AA/GS  which debuted at the NHRA reunion drags at Bakersfield two years ago.
  They unloaded the car, ran a half second faster than ever recorded in the class, smoked thle field, and essentaly retired the car, all in one race.
  No one wanted to play in their sandbox.
  Jirka was listed as the crew chief on the dragster, but don't kid yourself.  Les is the real deal..........  Bob


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: racergeo on March 06, 2012, 01:30:41 PM
  Les is over 65 years young and cut a bracket racer .012 light in the final. He only missed setting the class record with a 369c.i. hemi by .001 of a second. His competition run 500 c.i. stuff at the same wieght. Les is a genius that thinks out side the box. Partnered with Marlo they will have a team that can go as fast as their TARGET.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Tman on March 06, 2012, 05:39:32 PM
I can't wait!

There were lots of watching the Live Stream on BANGshift and cheering for Les in the chat, he is highly respected.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Jack Gifford on March 07, 2012, 01:33:49 AM
... A blown top alcohol bracket racer...
My apologies; the sarcasm was lost on me at first reading... duh.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on March 08, 2012, 05:01:07 PM
For once in a long time we will have a post early tomorrow morning.

Just to keep from having to cram I have already send post 163 to Ray Therat.

I corrected a mistake that I sent to Ray last week.

I can assure everyone that the post for next week will also be ready on time.

THANKS for following this build site.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on March 09, 2012, 09:56:10 AM
Just as advertised, Post 163 is now available for your perusal.  :) 

http://www.target550.com/gallery/163_drive_boxes_tape/index.html (http://www.target550.com/gallery/163_drive_boxes_tape/index.html)

As Freud mentioned, there's an explanation of the drive belt boxes (along with some great photos of 'em) and some very colorful shots that show the yellow tape that's used to protect the frame's paint in areas where work is going on.  Colorful is good.  :)

There are a few more items, but I'll leave it to the viewer to check those out.

And here are a coupla "teaser" images hinting at what will be seen in the next post:

(http://www.target550.com/images/162_teaser_01.jpg)

(http://www.target550.com/images/162_teaser_02.jpg)

We hope you enjoy 'em,



Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: wheelrdealer on March 09, 2012, 11:14:49 AM
Ray and Freud,

Thanks for the update. the craftmanship on this build it second to none.


Bill


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Captthundarr on March 09, 2012, 11:37:03 AM
Ray, Freud

Thank you for what you do. the "color" shots are going to help do a lot of "explaining" can't wait to see the motors in place.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: desotoman on March 09, 2012, 01:56:43 PM
Freud and Ray,

Thanks for all the updates on this build. The progress is fantastic. I caught myself drooling while looking at the pictures.
I like those belt drives so much, if I had some spare money, I would build a Sidewinder REMR around something similar.

Thanks again and I look forward to seeing this liner run.

Tom G.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: ratpatrol66 on March 09, 2012, 10:00:54 PM
I may have a drug problem? This is it! My weekly fix of Target 550. Its like Christmas every Friday. I wait in anticipation for my chance to hit enter, and marvel at all the great details. Thanks to the whole Target 550 team!

 On a side note???
I went to visit family in Dallas, TX. a few weeks ago. Just happened to be wearing the Salt Talks 12th annual T-shirt.
Lots of comments about the naked guy on motorcycle. I tried to tell the story, but was not there. Will you please help us Freud?


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Bob Drury on March 09, 2012, 10:37:09 PM
  Rat, I may be able to help clear up the mystery.
  According to my usually very reliable sources, many years ago Dr. Freud somehow ended up in the bedroom of the Mayor of Wendovers residence.
  Unfortunately the only ones present were the wife of the Mayor and the previously mentioned Dr. Freud.
  This having occured during a mid week rainout on the salt, the Mayor returned home earlier than usual and the esteemed Doctor is said to have exited the premisis rather hastely, and the picture was snapped by one of the first ever photo radar detectors which incedently clocked the good Doctor at over one hundred miles a hour passing what is now the CarQuest auto parts store.
  Fortunatly, the town cop had a 1964 Ford Galaxie four door with a dead cylinder, and was unable to nab the "perpetrator".
  Thank God, due to the Statue of Limitations, A few years back the good Doctor was able to admit to the truth of the matter publicly, and the rest is........... as they say, HISTORY.
                                               Bob (who speaks only the God's truth......... so help me God).


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on March 09, 2012, 11:56:14 PM
Bob......You do need God's help.

The plug wire was off that dead cylinder.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Bob Drury on March 10, 2012, 01:08:32 AM
  You are truely my hero Glen.  If on my last day on Earth I could recite all the cool things I have done, it would probably take a hour or so.
  With you, the funeral would have to be delayed for at least a week just to hear the stuff you did that was LEGAL.
  And I am not even going to metion the motorcycles that "fell out the door" of the helicopter over Hawaii during a photo shoot, or any other hyjinx you happened to be present at ( by sheer coincedence, no doubt).
  I might add, that I first met the esteemed Doctor for the first time in the parking lot of Smith's in West Wendover.
  That would have been the day before the 50th Speedweek, when after no sleep for two days culminating in a fourteen hour non stop drive, I pulled into Smith's, got out and smelled gas.  I looked under the truck and the stock GM plastic three way fuel valve had split and gas was dripping onto the exhaust pipe.  How it didn't ignite is beyond me.
  So there I was, laying in the drip oil, dried puke, and spilled soft drinks under my truck in the Smith's parking lot when a voice came from nowhere and said "you know you are supposed to take care of that kind of sh*t at home before you leave".
  That folk's was not only my first meeting with Freud, but as close as I have been to killing a stranger.
  Any one who has yet to meet him should do so post haste, as someday soon (?) he is due to be pickled so as to become a permanent display (along with Geisler) in the new Wendover Museum.
p.s.  the mayor and his ex wife will not be on display.       Bob


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on March 12, 2012, 03:54:28 PM
ratpatrol...............

Bob quit taking his meds.

That has scrambled his recall.

My ride on the Trumpet was to fulfill a requirement of my probation.

Bob didn't even know i was legally committed.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Glen on March 12, 2012, 04:41:00 PM
I heard Bob sniffs glue every morning and wonders where the rest of the day went. I think he was stealing the cataletic converter from that truck and it was his own puke he was laying in. Ya all have a good day now. :evil:
 :cheers:


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on March 13, 2012, 12:42:45 AM
I sorta have the feeling that our audience experiences.

I'm 1200 miles from home and even though I have already shipped the next post to Ray Therat

i am waiting to see it posted.

I guess I'm getting some of your experiences.

I know it will be there Friday but I too am anxious.

This teaches me that our fans should never have to wait any longer than Friday.

Kinda like I have to eat my own cooking.

FREUD



Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Stainless1 on March 13, 2012, 09:42:41 AM
Doc, it does seem like the natives are a little more restless than usual... maybe because we see the possibility of the light appearing at the end of the 10 year long tunnel  :-D


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on March 13, 2012, 10:41:03 AM
The traffic on the build site is surprisingly large even in mid week.

THANKS to all of you.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: ratpatrol66 on March 14, 2012, 06:32:46 PM
  Bob,
   
  Thanks for your reply. I needed a good laugh, and that was a real good one!
 
  Freud,
 
  Your reponse to Bobs was just as good. To the both of you thanks for your
  fun banter to fill the time between posts.
 
  ratpatrol66


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on March 15, 2012, 12:54:49 PM
We traded the cold and rain to subject ourselves to the torture of unfiltered sun and warmth.

Several days in Palm Springs trumps the challenging weather of the Pacific Northwest.

I'll be punching the time clock next week.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Bob Drury on March 15, 2012, 04:40:13 PM
  Glen, someday soon you need to post a tribute to your wonderful wife, whom although I have never had the privelage of meeting, must be one hell of a woman just to put up with, and allow you to follow all of your fantasy's of racing, photography and hanging with all the down and out racers (as opposed to the rich and famous that anyone in their right mind would gravitate towards).
  If you are not currently lavishing her with Rose petals and Champagne, you are a fool..
                                                                                   Bob (who is available to replace your sorry behind if needed). :-D


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Stan Back on March 15, 2012, 05:05:13 PM
Ferd --

Did you mark an "X" on the right building and carry it with you the rest of your stay?

Stan


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Glen on March 15, 2012, 05:39:54 PM
Bob is talking about the Glenn with 2 n"s(AKA FREUD) and you can bet he pays his dues.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on March 15, 2012, 08:40:52 PM
Stan, I bought a new "smart" phone. It has a GPS in it and I can now find my way back to the room.

But I lost the cork screw and can't open the wine.

Vacation is on hold until that can be replaced.

FerD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on March 15, 2012, 08:47:16 PM
I'm cornfused, Freud.  Wine doesn't need a corkscrew -- it needs a box cutter to open, doesn't it?


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on March 15, 2012, 10:46:58 PM
Slim to really enjoy box wine, poke a hole in the bag, insert a curly straw and suck away.

The point on the corkscrew is the key to everything that can give one a head ache.

Just don't get one with a left hand thread.

If you do, you will get unscrewed.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Stainless1 on March 16, 2012, 08:23:15 AM
Bob, spent the 4th with Freud and Doris a couple of years ago... I assure you she is up to the task she has endured for 50 years or so... although the cops showed up, it was not Freud's fault, really, I swear.
RatP, it is widely known that Freud has grown older but failed to grow up... He will never require a second childhood!
I will let Freud tell you the story in person at the salt talks this year.  I can tell you that the pace car was driven by a famous racer and the picture was taken by another famous racer.  As it was the only image available of Freuds racing career it appeared on the shirt.   
The rest is history   :cheers:


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Dean Los Angeles on March 16, 2012, 09:37:34 AM
Freud, old buddy, it's not too late to start that book about your life. Really.

Gene Winfield signed my copy of his book "The Legendary Custom Cars and Hot Rods of Gene Winfield".

If he can write one, so can you. Heck, he's older than you!


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on March 16, 2012, 09:43:03 AM
Self incrimination is not one of my goals.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on March 16, 2012, 10:56:28 AM
Meanwhile, back on topic, the promised Post 164 is on the server:
http://www.target550.com/gallery/164_canopy_&_farings/index.html

Some pretty kool stuff.  Here's the post caption:
Canopy, latch, body skins, wheel fairings and a plastic-covered corridor right outta ET.

Here are a coupla shots.

Part of the rear wheel fairing assembly:
(http://www.target550.com/gallery/164_canopy_&_farings/extra/164_02x.jpg)

Jason working on part of that same stuff, while wearing a SALT TALKS T-SHIRT.  (If you have some art for the shirt, send it to me asap!)
http://www.target550.com/gallery/164_canopy_&_farings/extra/164_01x.jpg

Enjoy. 

Btw, (now back to yer regularly scheduled off-topic posting) instead of wrassling with a corkscrew, I fought with the rear shocks on my beater Camaro.  One lousy bolt left (one side's done, the lower bolt on the left side is fighting me for grip) and it whipped me yesterday.  But today's another day.  I better get it done before the lousy weather rolls in.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Richard 2 on March 16, 2012, 08:10:57 PM
Thanks, For the PIC'S


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on March 17, 2012, 08:04:27 PM
Don't believe the song It Never Rains in Southern California.

Beautiful San Diego, with it's Chamber of Commerce weather, is 49F at 6:00PM and the wipers are on 80% speed.

LOVELY..........

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: MattGuzzetta on March 21, 2012, 09:28:53 AM
Gee Freud, If you are in San Diego, you should stop by the Taylor guitar factory and see some cool stuff.  It is sunny today, but a bit cold we must have had the rain, hail, and snow to make you feel at home! :-D

Keep the pics coming, I need my weekly updates....

Matt Guzzetta


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on March 23, 2012, 10:01:43 AM
It's FRIDAY.

We are on time and today's post is up and running.

It's a review of the past.

http://www.target550.com/gallery/165_tour_no_guide/index.html

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on March 28, 2012, 12:01:58 PM
The Shop Girls and the Urban Concept cars from Granite Falls, Washington HS  are on their way to Houston for the 2012

Shell Eco Marathon. I'll try to keep up to date when I receive info from the team.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Schruiber on March 28, 2012, 10:58:20 PM
We traveled well, both teams, volunteers and industry partners + the cars are here in Houston, dinner check; pool check; early breakfast and then setting up pit and getting through tech inspection tomorrow - stay tuned.........


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on March 29, 2012, 12:09:36 AM
We're with YOU and the kids.

Go For It.

Keep us up to date.

THANX  SHOP GIRLS RULE

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Peter Jack on March 29, 2012, 01:41:26 AM
Best of luck to both cars and their crews. What an awesome program!  :-D :-D :-D

Pete


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Elmo Rodge on March 29, 2012, 07:12:15 AM
Keep us posted Michael. Wayno


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on March 30, 2012, 11:01:31 AM
I haven't heard from The Granite Falls group as they tackle the world from Texas but Michael did

post under their own build diary.

I did receive a message from Ray Therat telling us that he made a post this morning.

Check it out.

http://www.target550.com/gallery/166_going_back_together/index.html

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: sabat on March 30, 2012, 12:39:17 PM
My infatuation with this streamliner is blooming into outright lust. Yum.

Thanks for the pics and updates  :cheers:


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on March 30, 2012, 01:23:06 PM
Sabat......Thanks for the interest. It is getting exciting to me as it goes back together.

I think there will be major action early this fall.  That means testing.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on March 30, 2012, 01:57:10 PM
Oh, wow!  This is the first time a date has been mentioned.  Yep, it's REALLY gettin exciting!


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: wheelrdealer on March 30, 2012, 07:48:07 PM
Great to see the final assembly. Thanks Freud and Ray.

Bill


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: ratpatrol66 on March 30, 2012, 11:12:51 PM
Great post! That picture 166_017 looks like some kind of UFO-WFO! 


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Kiwi Paul on March 31, 2012, 12:16:04 AM
I have a thought. I can`t help but wonder what will happen to the thousands of Clecos after final assembly. I am running low on these at the Shop, and wonder if having Clecos with such an impressive provenance can`t help but scare the shhetmetal parts into submission..... :mrgreen: :-D


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: WOODY@DDLLC on March 31, 2012, 08:23:05 AM
I have a thought. I can`t help but wonder what will happen to the thousands of Clecos after final assembly. I am running low on these at the Shop, and wonder if having Clecos with such an impressive provenance can`t help but scare the shhetmetal parts into submission..... :mrgreen: :-D

Kiwi Paul, you have Cleco's? I thought these guys had cornered the world market! The global shortage may have even delayed the Boeing Dreamliner! :-D
But they put them to much better use!  :cheers:


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Captthundarr on March 31, 2012, 08:39:28 AM
Oh yes it is cleco season again. Time to harvest. I thought this Line was badazz in mock-up, I about to fall out'a my chair. :cheers:


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Peter Jack on March 31, 2012, 09:59:22 AM
Just so you guys know, used clecos are readily available from some commercial suppliers and lots of homebuilt aircraft guys who have sworn off ever doing another one of those projects again. Just Google "used clecos".

Pete


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: SPARKY on March 31, 2012, 10:59:41 AM
I can't even remember how long ago it was that Marlo had the model on the Salt and I took pictures of it---wow am I so looking forward to hearing them fire that  baby !!!!


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Reverend Hedgash on April 03, 2012, 07:49:00 AM
Amazing work crew, simply beautiful.

It gives hope to the world that we can do things better.

rH+


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on April 06, 2012, 11:22:30 AM
Progress on reassembly.

Have a look at the torque tube and Hume and Marlo surveying the tail.

http://www.target550.com/gallery/167_reassembly_is_progressing/index.html

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: sabat on April 06, 2012, 01:52:22 PM
I am warning my wife that I may need to drop everything at some point this year and see this car make its maiden voyage.

Thanks again Doc. Hope you don't mind me hot-linking this picture here.

(http://www.target550.com/gallery/167_reassembly_is_progressing/167_036.jpg)


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: racefanwfo on April 06, 2012, 03:32:11 PM
When the car is finally ready for test runs will they run it at elmo or will they only run it at the salt. I also would like to see the car run in person.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on April 06, 2012, 10:14:37 PM
It won't be tested at El Mo.

Marlo is making arrangements to test it on a paved track.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: ack on April 07, 2012, 04:18:43 PM
It won't be tested at El Mo.

Marlo is making arrangements to test it on a paved track.

FREUD

Glen

Can't think of a better place to test than the Shootout. The track is available about any time you want it and you can run as many times as you want. Fire and EMT are standing by. Official timing there if you need it. Cost is very reasonable.



Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on April 07, 2012, 10:42:28 PM
Thanks Mike.  I'll pass your suggestion along to Marlo.

I appreciate you thinking of us.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on April 13, 2012, 09:29:36 AM
It certainly is a pleasure to do the fotos of the reassembly of the 'liner.

It's all so clean and refreshing.

Enjoy todays look at the reassembly process.

URL:   http://www.target550.com/gallery/168_assembly_parts_not_seen_again/index.html

Freud and Ray


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on April 20, 2012, 01:46:46 PM
As the reassembly happens it is difficult for me to tell much of a story.

So I'll do the best I can.  I can miss a lot by only shooting once a week.

There is the key to open the door:  http://www.target550.com/gallery/169_fitting_panels_in_air_brake_area/index.html

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: wheelrdealer on April 20, 2012, 02:29:27 PM
Thanks Freud:

With everyone racing at the ECTA event in Wilmington and me working at my desk on S. Florida I needed a "LSR fix." Lately I am too busy to race or fab on my one stuff so I live vicarously through your documentation of the Target 550 build. :)

Thanks,

Bill


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on April 20, 2012, 07:22:55 PM
Thanks Bill.

We really appreciate your comments.

Do you want me to put you on the "note from Mom" list so you can

get away from the desk when the testing starts?

FREUD



Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: wheelrdealer on April 20, 2012, 08:19:47 PM
Freud,

No note from Mom will help me now.

I am trying to start a new business in this tough economy.  You would think in this economy things would get streamlined. The state and local government bureaucracy is about to eat my "you know what" up. It's carzy, I just want to remodel a building, hire about 18 people, pay, city, state and federal taxes, pay for health care, pay payrole taxes, pay insurance, pay accountants, pay lawyers, pay vendors and pay banks interest and in the end hope there is about 2.5% in net profit left over for the effort.  It will all get done but there is not much time for anything else. I have done this before and it is just a long first two years.

But reading about the Target 550 is a great escape. Its like  :cheers: on the job!

Bill



Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Kiwi Paul on April 20, 2012, 10:12:42 PM
I think I need to expand on my `Used Cleco` idea. I could see packages of 20, say, that were actually used to hold this car together, being packaged with photos as evidence, autographs and pictures of the team, etc, etc, and those packages could be auctioned off, perhaps a few could be for the benefit of this site? Just an idea I had.....Hopefully I will see the actual vehicle on the weekend of May 19-20. I plan to come North to the Monroe Swap Meet, and will be staying with my pal Ken Gilmour. He knows all of you and visits on occasion, apparently. I hope there isn`t a `Maximum Kiwi Occupancy` at the Shop... :-D :-D


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: racer on April 21, 2012, 12:08:00 AM
Amazing....
See ya on the salt!


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on April 26, 2012, 02:35:13 PM
Friday is travel day for me. I have been the fotog for Dry Lakes Racers Hall of Fame for 11 years.

The event is Saturday in Buellton, California and is put on by the Goldcoast Roadster and Racing Club.

It is one of the SCTA family of clubs.

Ray Therat will make certain that the post will be done. He will then add the url for the pictures on this build diary.

You can always just go to www.target550.com and the link to the post is at the top of the page.

Have fun with the site and we will be back to normal next week.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: smitty2 on April 26, 2012, 04:10:01 PM
Let us know when you are going to test... I will make time to be there. I've been following this build all along, and feel like it's one of my kids. I want to see this baby take its first steps!

Smitty....   :cheers:


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on April 26, 2012, 05:12:07 PM
In my opinion it will be early fall before the testing starts.

The fotos will let everyone know.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: JGMagoo on April 26, 2012, 06:59:43 PM
I want to be there at Bonneville when Treit's liner pulls up to tech inspection and they say, "Get outa' here...we've already seen this thing!"

Thanks to the quality of this build thread, I can see where they might say that!

 :-)

JG


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on April 26, 2012, 07:02:08 PM
It probably wouldn't pass SCTA tech.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Kiwi Paul on April 26, 2012, 11:17:07 PM
Really Doc? Care to Elaborate? Now I am really curious...Roll on May 19... :-D


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on April 27, 2012, 12:29:47 AM
It's taken so long that oxidation has probably eaten  it all up.

We should have started later.  LOL

I'll let everyone know as soon as I know. I can tell you this.

It feels like it's really rolling along now. I hate to miss doing fotos this week.

I will have missed a lot of small parts going together that all contribute to the build.

Ray will have a post tomorrow.

Thanks for your interest.  It adds excitement for me knowing that others are waiting to see the progress.

We have the cake done for the "Coming Out Party."

Drove to Wendover to get the salt for the icing.........Oh Sure

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on April 27, 2012, 07:31:36 AM
Update 170 is on the server: Skin, Cherry rivets, dual purpose drain/vent and painted panels.

Hmmm.  Cherry Rivets.  I think I dated her in high school.  Anyway, as usual, it's getting closer and closer.  Here's the link:
http://www.target550.com/gallery/170_skin_rivets_drain-vent/index.html (http://www.target550.com/gallery/170_skin_rivets_drain-vent/index.html)

Ohh.....here's a photo of Jim Hume looking somewhat pensive.  I wonder if he's trying to figure out where my 7/8" deep impact socket went.  I spent plenty of time searching and wondering.  I found it right after I came home with the new one.  I think he's a little better organized than I am.



Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: wheelrdealer on April 27, 2012, 08:44:11 AM
Thanks Freud and Ray.

Nice photos and explanations.

This helps with my race withdrawal symptoms.

Bill


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: WhizzbangK.C. on April 27, 2012, 12:42:44 PM
It seems to me that the combination drain/vent line is a problem waiting to happen. With the opening of the line submerged in lube, any expansion of the air inside the unit due to heat, or even atmospheric pressure changes, will force lube up the tube and out. The vent really should be well above the lube level, and separate from the drain.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: manta22 on April 27, 2012, 02:46:19 PM
Looking good! You can never have too many Clecos....

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on April 27, 2012, 03:12:09 PM
It seems to me that the combination drain/vent line is a problem waiting to happen. With the opening of the line submerged in lube, any expansion of the air inside the unit due to heat, or even atmospheric pressure changes, will force lube up the tube and out. The vent really should be well above the lube level, and separate from the drain.

The vent end is at least 6 inches (maybe 9) above the top fluid level.  And while the expansion you mention is a real possibility, I think the idea is that the length of the tube will be sufficient to account for said expansion.  However, I wouldn't be a bit surprised to see a catch can or other method of containing any overflow.  We'll kinda have to wait until Freud checks in to see what he knows about it.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on April 27, 2012, 03:13:04 PM
Looking good! You can never have too many Clecos....

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ

I think it's true, but I also think Hume's trying to disprove the theory.  :)


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: 38flattie on April 28, 2012, 09:52:28 AM
This build just amazes me! I keep going back through it, because I pick something up I missed everytime! :cheers:


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on May 01, 2012, 02:42:46 AM
It IS NOT A DUAL PURPOSE item. It's only a drain.

I screwed up so get your hernias surgically repaired and be ready to

pounce on me when I can resist;

Here is Marlo's reply:

"There is an taped hole at the top of that unit that will be the vent. This line is the drain because we can't get at the lower plug to drain it.  

They had to drill and tap the end bearing retainer for the drain .  The line is long enough to go to a one or two quart can."

Everyone else is correct and I'm the one that is wrong. Everyone else knew I was wrong and now I do too.

Thanks for clearing that up.

I assure you, I will make more mistakes before this changes from a build to a serious play toy.


FREUD



Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Dr Goggles on May 01, 2012, 04:30:42 AM
I'm pretty sure that you've done more work shooting this than we did building our tank. We can forgive you a lot more than that for all the great stuff you've shown us on this stupendous car.Ya Duffer.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Rex Schimmer on May 02, 2012, 09:17:47 AM
I had thought about commenting on the "breather line" but this isn't Marlo and Jim's first rodeo so I knew that had a breather setup that would be correct. Because of the excellent coverage of this outstanding build we all want to kibutz what they are doing and ready to add or 2 cents worth but these guys have done this before and if they run into something that they may have limited experience with they are able to use their experience and common sense to come up with a solution that will probably work and work well. My anticipation of the completion of this project is rising every time a new post is released. Once they have released some sort of testing program, I plan to be there if at all possible. Freud and Ray thanks again for all of your efforts.

Rex


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on May 02, 2012, 10:27:08 AM
Rex, you will have a special interest in a soon to come post. Don't desert me now...........HaHa

I wish you could have attended Gas Up. You would have enjoyed seeing the Herda car.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on May 04, 2012, 02:03:17 PM
Post 171

Since I haven't been to the shop in almost 2 weeks I used whatever images I had available.

Here is the url:     http://www.target550.com/gallery/171_cleaning_hard_drive_many_topics/index.html

I'll be going to Hume's place tomorrow and will replenish my library.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: wheelrdealer on May 04, 2012, 02:44:10 PM
Freud:

Even the left overs are great. Thanks for putting together a post even though you have not been to the shop.   

Bill


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on May 04, 2012, 03:58:55 PM
I'm glad you liked it..................

There will be more to come.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on May 11, 2012, 10:03:15 AM
I find it difficult to have new information to pass along except this post has the daata

about the tires that will be used for testing.

http://www.target550.com/gallery/172_tires_tanks_reassembly/index.html

I'll see what I can pass along next week.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Glen on May 11, 2012, 10:36:47 AM
Freud, the pictures tell the story. For those of us that have followed this build for 12 years probably know a lot more of the story and build. One really has to see the car as it is a piece of art and the fineast craftsmanship that Marlo, and Hume's staff provide. Freud, you should write a book on this build and it would be a top seller.

The light at the end of the tunnel is getting brighter :-D
 :cheers:


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: wheelrdealer on May 13, 2012, 03:45:30 PM
Freud:

I had some time the other night so I went back to the original thread and read all the posts. I had already read all 88 pages of this thread. In prior post I have made comments to the quality of the the workmanship on this build. It far surpasses anything I could imagine or afford. But today I would like to make a comment on the commitment it has taken to build this streamliner. Over the last 12 years I have friends that have had three different wives and two different girl friends in the same amount of time. Talk about not making a commitment! Now to my point. I have had to take a year off from any LSR racing or hobbies for that matter while I make a carreer change and get a new business up an running. The car and engine are 4 hours away in the chassis and engine shop. I told the guys no hurry I can't race it this year anyway. Durring the down time I wonder if I will ever race again. I know I will but it seems like forever. Now I read Treit's thread and started thinking about the commitment these guys have made. I cannot imagine the vision and discipline it takes to stay on task for that long...My ADD kicks in after about 5 minutes. I know from reading this thread that the last part they make will be as perfect as the first part they made many years ago. It will be ready when it is ready. The level of committment is impressive.

So once again, to you, Treit, Hume, Ray and all the others.... Thanks for letting me tag along.

Bill


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on May 13, 2012, 04:08:56 PM
Bill there is one thing that I too have noticed over all of these years.  C O M I T T M E N T.

There was a time for a few months that the car was not at Hume's. It was in Marlo's hanger in Portland.

During that time Jim worked on Walt Austin's aluminum Willies.  When it felt right the 'liner was returned to Jim's shop,

the Willies went down the road and progress restarted on the 'liner. It is amazing the dedication Jim and Marlo have had.

So often we are asked........."When's it gonna run?" The answer is always the same. "Whenever it's ready."

They just approach it like a painting. When everything is ready for it to run, it will. They aren't responsible to anyone

but Marlo. As long as he is patient no one else has any influence. His plans are being made for testing before long.

The same planning will be done regarding testing as has persevered since it started.

We appreciate all of the people that follow this build. It's getting exciting to all of us. There aren't many new pieces

to be made. By asking for some parts to be put in place the other day for a foto it was determined that the battery box

must be altered. It was built before the fuel tank and with the tank in place the cover for the battery can not be installed.

Changing the size of the battery will solve that inconvenience. There are not many of those happenings and even if there are

they will just be solved with the same ingenuity that has build the remainder of the car.

Hang in there with us. As was said the other day, "the light at the end of the tunnel is getting brighter."

Thanks for everyones interest.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: wheelrdealer on May 13, 2012, 04:27:42 PM
Freud:

Well said!

Yes as the light gets brighter the excitement builds.

Bill


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on May 18, 2012, 11:35:17 AM
The color is coming into view as the reassembly continues.

Here's the url:  http://www.target550.com/gallery/173_reassembly_continues/index.html

Enjoy.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: sabat on May 18, 2012, 02:28:17 PM
Exciting stuff, thank you. I wonder when there might be noise?


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on May 18, 2012, 02:48:19 PM
sabat.....just continue to follow the build diary.

There will be some surprises before long.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Graham in Aus on May 18, 2012, 05:50:46 PM
Thank-you Freud, I love your photos and the attention to detail, the polished tanks and firewall get me thinking! What's that bracket for?, why does that driveshaft have a bend in it? :-P  What's the other side of that bolt...... The tank hold down bracket / firewall detail for example, precision and beauty!

Your photos bring this awesome build to life!

Cheers!  :cheers:


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: desotoman on May 19, 2012, 10:04:39 PM
Thanks Freud,

Please keep us posted on when and where Marlo will test. I would love to be there if that would be OK.

Tom G.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on May 20, 2012, 11:37:01 PM
As long as his trailer is, You will see him coming. I have never spoken to Marlo regarding his intentions while testing.

I will one of these times. there is still plenty of time until it happens.

Who knows, at the last minute we may have to hire you and your truck to get over the hills.

Like my Mom always said, " We'll see when the time comes."

Mom told me to say that.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Stainless1 on May 21, 2012, 09:00:17 AM
FeRd, sure hope they get that thing done soon, it is hard on my time budget to spend a couple of hours a week looking (make the staring in amazement) at the Dodge pictures.... :roll:


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: WOODY@DDLLC on May 21, 2012, 11:52:45 AM
I hope they run soon! I'm getting low on drool!  :-(


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on May 23, 2012, 09:13:14 AM
Treit and I just had to get a booster shot for our Salt Fever.

We came to Wendover. We took the gamblers flight, this whole thing is a gamble isn't it, and here we are.

Now the most obvious questions.

How'a the salt?  It looks great from lands end. There is no water on it. A car came back to the road from out on the salt and his

wheel wells were dry and no build up.

The pot holes were quite well filled in.

The truck stop food was just the same and we have been there twice. 

I'll attach some fotos and do more later.

When we are tourists we do as tourists.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: thundersalt on May 24, 2012, 08:49:11 AM
Such a beautifull car. I could never be the craftsmen that you guys are but following this build has inspried me to try to do my best on our latest build.
Thank you, :cheers:


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on May 24, 2012, 08:52:21 AM
Thanks thundersalt. We are happy that it inspires you.

The public will get to see it before long.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Tman on May 24, 2012, 08:59:44 AM
Such a beautifull car. I could never be the craftsmen that you guys are but following this build has inspried me to try to do my best on our latest build.
Thank you, :cheers:

The rental above your last post!?!?!?? :-D

The timing of your reply struck me as funny :wink:


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on May 25, 2012, 12:48:46 PM
T-man, you are easily entertained.

If I was doing a comedy routine I'd want you in the front of the audience.

There will still be a post on Target550.com yet today but it may be late.

Too much travel this week and everyone knows night comes too soon in Wendover.

FREUD



Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on May 26, 2012, 12:12:39 AM
Post 174 will be posted Saturday morning.

When I have the url I'll post it here.

You can just check Target550.com and if it's up you can get it from there.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on May 26, 2012, 11:22:09 AM
This is the link to todays post:   http://www.target550.com/gallery/174_reassembly_still_continues/index.html

I will be going to the shop later today. Watch for a mid week post of some sort.

A lot is happening all at once.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: mc1984ss on May 26, 2012, 01:38:02 PM
before I ask my question I wanted to thank everyone involved for sharing the build and progress with us. I have been following the build since 2008 if I remember correctly and I think a masterpiece is the best way to describe it. My question may have an obvious answer but I am trying to think back to photos in the past. In that last picture posted here it appears that the oil pump is a 3 stage and scavenge only. If I am correct what is being used for a pressure pump? Like I said I am sure I saw the answer some time ago in a previous post but I cant remember. Thanks again!!!


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: desotoman on May 26, 2012, 03:30:12 PM

what is being used for a pressure pump?


Look at Thumbnail 174_012 in the post and that will give you the answer you are looking for.


Tom G.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: mc1984ss on May 26, 2012, 04:11:57 PM
Thank you desotoman, I was looking thru the pictures when I posted my question if I had waited a few more minutes I would have had my answer thanks again everyone!


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on May 26, 2012, 04:59:43 PM
Yep.  Tom nailed it.  In photo 12 you'll see the pressure pumps.



Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: wheelrdealer on May 26, 2012, 05:56:56 PM
Freud:

Thanks, can't wait for the mid-week update,

Bill


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Interested Observer on May 26, 2012, 09:34:32 PM
Re:  Photo 174_011  Steering arms

Freud:
While it is not entirely clear how these arms are actually used, if it is the way I suspect, the small cross-section of material left between the edge of the arm and the more central set of three holes gives me pause.  The hole creates something of a stress concentration in the area and there is not all that much material thickness there to begin with.  While it may be OK for static loading, if a fairly energetic wheel shimmy occurs and/or corrosion in the hole, a potential loss of steering could be bad news.  Perhaps something to double-check.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Dean Los Angeles on May 26, 2012, 10:29:05 PM
Oh my god!
Picture 174-14
IS THAT A SCRATCH!!


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Stan Back on May 27, 2012, 03:03:06 PM
Can't be -- probably a chalk mark.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on May 27, 2012, 03:24:22 PM
Stan Back........close but no cigar. It's a white felt tip pen mark.

I'll have them send it back to the finisher and get it redone.

I O..... you shouted wolf once too often.

Hold your tongue.

Take a month off from checking the posts.

Come back after Stan Back gets his record back on the dirt.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: wheelrdealer on May 27, 2012, 03:56:10 PM
Freud:

Maybe everyone knows this but me. In photo 173_01 what is the black box in the center of the frame that has the plug-in that appears to have a lanyard attached? I cannot decide what that is.

Bill


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: salt on May 27, 2012, 04:04:14 PM
FREUD: looks to me like Jim is chasing his own record at the Dry Lake.
Alas, there was no "El Mirage horsepower" available in May . . .

Willi


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on May 27, 2012, 04:07:23 PM
Thanks for advising me.....I need it.

Apparently he has alienated the horsepower gods.

At least he didn't have to develop any new skills to do it.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on May 27, 2012, 07:41:05 PM
Bill the plug with the string is the manual kill switch for the mag.  If that is in place the engine can not be fired.

Orville and Wilber are the cockpit controls to pneumatically kill the engines.

I'll find an image and show how it is plumbed.

Thanks for asking.

FREUD



Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: wheelrdealer on May 27, 2012, 08:16:32 PM
Freud,

Thanks, that makes sense.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on May 27, 2012, 08:19:21 PM
Bill, open the file of posts for 2010 at the top of the foto files.

Open 02-25-2010  Cockpit Cables and Mag switches  image #8

06-05-2010    043-12

09-10-2010   057- 08 thru 11

10-15-2010   064_11

10-29-2010   067- 01 and 02

11-04-2010   64_01, 02 and 03

That tells the entire story and there are 4 images attached to this post to help..

Thanks for asking.

FREUD





Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: wheelrdealer on May 28, 2012, 09:18:10 PM
Freud:

I missed that little jewel of fabrication on my prior review. Thank you Doctor for taking the time to leave me so many hints where I could find the answer to my question. A few posts ago a gentleman referred to this build as a "master piece" and I believe that to be true. Everytime I think I have seen all the details another stroke of fabrication genius pops up. But not for yours and Ray's dedication I would have no access to such a great build. Please let Ray know as well. The work is greatly appreciated by us loyal Target 550 watchers.

Bill


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on May 29, 2012, 12:20:25 AM
It's our pleasure.

Freud and Freud representing Ray Therat


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on May 31, 2012, 03:12:57 PM
I missed the mid week post but there will be one Friday.

It has already been sent to Ray Therat.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on May 31, 2012, 04:05:32 PM
There is an excellent chance that this weeks post will be today: Thursday.

Give Ray a couple hours to get it done.  Now it's 2:04 PDT.

I'll post the url here as soon as I receive it.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on May 31, 2012, 05:58:01 PM
Well don't faint.

We are a day early so have at it.

The colors are beginning to show and it's looking good.

Here is the url:   http://www.target550.com/gallery/175_restraints_rear_panels/index.html

Thanks for the interest.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Tman on May 31, 2012, 09:49:30 PM
At least Hume has good fashion sense! Wearing one of my pal Cole Fosters Tshirts! BTW, Cole is a Hume admirerer due to his late pops, Pat. 6 degrees of TF Funnycar here boys and girls.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on June 01, 2012, 10:35:59 AM
Hume and Pat Foster were very close. The accomplished a lot together and I feel that

Pat would have been part of this project had he not passed on when he did.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Captthundarr on June 01, 2012, 10:50:04 AM
Dust, Dust, there no dust in that shop....


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Tman on June 01, 2012, 11:18:13 AM
Hume and Pat Foster were very close. The accomplished a lot together and I feel that

Pat would have been part of this project had he not passed on when he did.

FREUD

Pat was one of the great ones.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: mc1984ss on June 02, 2012, 02:51:49 PM
Dust, Dust, there no dust in that shop....

I have often noticed that there never seems to be any dust in the shop and it is always remarkably clean. This has always impressed me and I have always meant to ask, how is it done? The metal fabrication alone would be enough to mess up most shops now take into consideration the work done with wood that goes on. I cringe everytime I do wood working in th shop due to the huge saw dust mess it makes. What is your secret how do you keep it so clean? Is it just old fashioned elbow grease and time?


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on June 03, 2012, 10:32:38 AM
Each of them just cleanup behind themselves.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: wheelrdealer on June 03, 2012, 12:57:19 PM
Freud:

Imagine that, cleaning up after one's self? A lesson I have been teaching my kids for the last 14 years.


Bill


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: interested bystander on June 03, 2012, 06:33:35 PM

To farther (further?) the Foster - Hume connection, together they were the HOUSE Funny Car builder for Ed Pink back in the day when his customers RULED the Drag world!


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on June 08, 2012, 01:04:10 AM
We should have a new post by noon PDT Friday.....June 8.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on June 08, 2012, 08:05:50 AM
Mmmmm...let's try for a little earlier.  Gimme an hour or so.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on June 08, 2012, 10:24:15 AM
It is posted.

As the reassembly glides along new images of previously seem groups of pieces and places appear.

It's fun to revisit them and see them in their Sunday best.

Open this url:  http://www.target550.com/gallery/176_lock_tail_section_air_fire_lines_cockpit%20floor/index.html

Dave is the one that gets the fun of opening the zip lock bags and mating the enclosed jewels with their surrounding neighbors.

The answer to the "scratch" or incorrectly identified "mark maker" on the engine plate is shown in this post.

In fact it is the first item to be shown. No one would have guessed the answer.

FREUD



Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: DND on June 08, 2012, 03:33:59 PM
Hi Guys

Pat was telling me one of his great stories, he was driving the Wonder Wagon  Funny car back in the day and had a match race lined up with Jungle Jim in the mid west.

Pat has made a couple of runs and they were all waiting for Jim to show up after being quite late, the place was kinda like Long Beach with a elevated Freeway in front of the strip entrance.

So all of a sudden the people in the stands are looking at the Road and Jim unloads his racer up there, lights it off drives down the off ramp into the track up to the line and does a full track burn out.

So Pat says i might as well have gone home as he has the whole place right in this hands, what a showman he was !!!

I met Pat when he was driving for Rocky Childs when the dragster was brand new, great guy and good friend  R.I.P. Pat

Don


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on June 08, 2012, 08:09:51 PM
Don, we are honored that You posted that story.

This site is quite old school and Foster and Jungle Jim were the foundation of this sport.

I'm happy that you added a link to the racing history and Hume is a realistic part of it.

Thanks Again,

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: DND on June 09, 2012, 12:28:38 PM
Hi Freud

I have one more good one from Pat, the Fuel guys were racing at a southern border strip and on Fri nite a few toddys at the local cantenna.

Well the Fuel guys were not doing very well with the local ladys execpt for a Jet Car driver that was a real lady's man, so to cement the deal with a real fox setting on his lap he takes his finger dips it in his rum and across the candle flame and lights off his cigar then back in the rum to put the fire out WOW.

As Pat says he just out machoed the whole bunch in the bar, and walked out the door with the fox on his arm and how in the hell do you top that trick.

Pat had a ton of these great racing stories to tell, and he did it good too.

Don


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on June 09, 2012, 07:00:21 PM
Don I spent several hours with Hume today. We talked about Pat.

Yep..........they were a pair.

Thanks for the story.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: DND on June 13, 2012, 02:31:12 AM
Hi Frued
This is the best racing story i have ever heard, about being a stand up guy and how it does no pay to cheat another racer as they don't forget a thing.
In the early 70's young Macelreath was tyring to make the show at the speedway on bump day, and about 20 mph off the pace.
JIm McKay from ABC tv was saying why don't they wave him off the track, so Salt Walther can get in the field in a new team Penske McLaren car his dad had just bought for bump day as Salt had bent his other cars.
Well years later while having lunch with Bobby Strulman & Rocky Phillips from Champion Spark plugs, the story came and Rocky says Don you never heard what happened .
Well it turns out that Salt had skipped out on paying a few bucks to Jim Macelreath and he never forgot, figuring some day he would get even well you could write a better script than keeping his kid on the track till the gun wen't off and the starting grid was set.
So pour old Salt sat there in his brand new M16 ready to go out and surely would have put it in the middle of the pack, boy you talk about getting even and then some.
Like they say what goes around & comes around.
Don


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Stan Back on June 13, 2012, 10:35:43 AM
Great story!


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on June 13, 2012, 12:12:19 PM
Thanks, DND.

Those are the behind the scene happenings that are spectacular.

Thanks for the info,

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Rex Schimmer on June 13, 2012, 01:29:48 PM
Freud,
You still owe me (us) some info on the steering, I know it is some sort of hydraulic/slave system but what are the details?? If you could.
Rex


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on June 13, 2012, 01:35:21 PM
Rex  am preparing the post regarding the steering right now.

It will be within the next 2 posts.

THANX

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on June 15, 2012, 01:05:50 PM
Here's the url for todays post:  http://www.target550.com/gallery/177_air_fire_lines_document_storage/index.html

Ray is preparing for this 24 hour sleep deprivation test to watch all of the 24 Hours of LeMans.

But he snuck this in before he shut the rest of us out of his world.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Captthundarr on June 15, 2012, 01:42:59 PM
Aahh the cleckos are blooming again. :-D. What are the functions of the "morse" type cables??


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: DND on June 15, 2012, 01:56:25 PM
Hi Freud

Unless you have done a little fab work in your life you can't really appreciate what this build team has done, wow i just shake my head as i see this high speed marvel come together.

They deserve an Blue Ribbbon Award to say the least and a 500 mph plus new record.

Don


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on June 15, 2012, 02:49:50 PM
DND,

Cables # 1 and #2 are throttles. #3 and #4 are fuel shutoffs.

Thanks for asking.

FREUD



Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on June 17, 2012, 06:14:33 PM
I guess this is what you have been waiting for.

Be patient viewers. Arrangements have been started to have the Treit and Davenport streamliner at Speed Week 2012.

It's not set in stone but there is a good possibility.

As soon as something is firmed up it will be posted.

No reason for you to ask a bunch questions because this is all I know.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on June 17, 2012, 09:00:24 PM
CAPTTHUNDARR...........the remaining answer to your cable question is shown with these three images.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: sabat on June 18, 2012, 09:05:23 AM
I guess this is what you have been waiting for.

Be patient viewers. Arrangements have been started to have the Treit and Davenport streamliner at Speed Week 2012.

It's not set in stone but there is a good possibility.

As soon as something is firmed up it will be posted.

No reason for you to ask a bunch questions because this is all I know.

FREUD
 

:-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Dean Los Angeles on June 18, 2012, 09:08:12 AM
"Treit and Davenport streamliner at Speed Week 2012."

Did you leave a word out?

"Treit and Davenport streamliner running at Speed Week 2012."




Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Captthundarr on June 18, 2012, 11:18:53 AM
Thanks Mr. Freud for the cable info.

Frank


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on June 22, 2012, 10:14:59 AM
Time for another peek at the progress on Treit's 'liner.

Here is the url:   http://www.target550.com/gallery/178_new_little_pieces_finished_rear_wheel_fairings/index.html

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: wheelrdealer on June 22, 2012, 11:26:23 AM
Excellent update Dr.

Hire that little pink inspector. He will come in handy when servicing the car in impound. He can move around inside the chassis without removing the panels! :) I know there are days I would love to have a chassis monkey to reach those impossible bolts.

On a serious note, thanks for taking the time to post. We all really enjoy following this build.

Bill


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on June 24, 2012, 02:29:31 PM

I did more fotos of the 'liner today. These will be used for next Friday's post.

I sat in the cockpit and had a straight on view of the dash and the windshield.

I am 5' 9" and weigh 174#. The car is on stands and for me to get into it we made a ladder with plastic boxes.

I stepped into the car from the 3rd box. There was enough room to turn around to drop into the seat but my shoulders fit somewhat

snug. It is difficult to do fotos in that cockpit. To eliminate reflections we shut off all the overhead lights.

Below the dash was very dark and when I used the strobe as a fill I had bad reflections from the engine turned dash board.

All's not lost. I will reshoot it now that I have seen the images on the computer.


There is good news that Jim announced. He will have an OPEN HOUSE at the shop from July 2 thru July 7. Opens at 10 AM and ends at 5 PM.

He is 5 1/2 miles East of I-5 Exit 236. His address is 22334 Prairie Road, Sedro Woolley, WA.98284     Exit 236 is Prairie Road.

The shop is on the right side of the road. His mailbox is by the road and the number is on the box.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Glen on June 24, 2012, 03:00:13 PM
Makes one want to jump in and make a pass.Thanks again Freud.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Tman on June 24, 2012, 03:39:19 PM
Makes one want to jump in and make a pass.Thanks again Freud.


I was thinking the same thing Glen!!!!!!


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Captthundarr on June 24, 2012, 06:08:57 PM
Makes one want to jump in and make a pass.Thanks again Freud.


I was thinking the same thing Glen!!!!!!
MAkes one want to buy a plane ticket. :-)


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on June 24, 2012, 07:06:18 PM
That steering wheel is covered with centuries old "legal" ivory.

Just a Hume touch.

Never be surprised what will be revealed next..........

More surprises coming.

Open www.TARGET550.com. The image in that post will enlarge to almost full

screen size and remain clear. Click on the instruction line below the image.

Sorry it isn't better. Before the next post I'll submit a huge file.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Stan Back on June 24, 2012, 08:38:02 PM
Hope the driver's a little taller -- else he'll be sighting on to top of Floating Mountain.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on June 24, 2012, 09:04:09 PM
I just bought a whoopie cushion.

Besides, he has a pilot's license and frequently looks at empty airspace.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: interested bystander on June 24, 2012, 11:31:51 PM
Stan

At least he wouldn't also be looking at  Nevada, then the  STARTING LINE, the Floating mountain again, over to Utah and so forth!

Manana @shop?


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on June 24, 2012, 11:55:23 PM
Boeing built a chair in a 747 for someone whose religion required them to be looking toward the East.

We ordered one of those chairs for the car but it has a variable direction switch so our driver can always be looking

where he is supposed to be going even if he is spinning.

Next year a modified version will be required for roadster drivers.

FREUD



Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: wheelrdealer on June 26, 2012, 07:24:40 PM
Freud:

Leave it to Boeing to find the final solution.  I am going to use smart bomb technology, just laser a spot on floating mountain and my guidence system just steers me there!


That is a great shot from the business office of the Target 550 streamliner. I feel like after following this build I know may enough about the streamliner to qualify for a crew member position say sweeping the salt off of the blue tarps.

I cant wait for the day that I see it in person. A truely unique piece of engineering.

Freud, thanks again for making Fridays special!

Bill


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on June 29, 2012, 09:18:46 AM
It's Friday and so a new post:  http://www.target550.com/gallery/179_fairings_seat_belts_air_bottles/index.html

While it doesn't really relate to the build I was happy to announce the Open House at Hume's shop.

I wish the nation and the world could take advantage of it.

FREUD



Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: wheelrdealer on June 29, 2012, 02:33:12 PM
Freud:

If not for a few thousand miles of travel I would be there. I will have to settle for Speedweek.

I was thinking, bucking all those rivets has to be a fun job. 

Thanks for the update,

Bill


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on June 29, 2012, 09:57:14 PM
Speed Week will be a nice setting. The car will be on display many hours so there will be times when you can have a lot of time

to spend looking for the parts that have been discussed in this diary. I would enjoy taking you to Hume's shop but he will also

be at Bonneville. I look forward to meeting the people that follow this diary.

Marlo, Jim and Jason will be there to chat and answer your questions.

Thanks everyone for your interest.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: DallasV on July 02, 2012, 01:34:54 PM
Couldn't help but notice this on the speedweek pre-entry list.

AA
BFS
Target 550
Aurora
OR

 :-D


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Bob Drury on July 02, 2012, 03:06:31 PM
  Dallas, I think all of us old timers hope it will be able to make at least a shakedown pass at Speedweek (as every day may indeed be our last) but if the best to happen is to just see it on the Salt, I salute both Marlo, and Jim Hume and his fantastic crew of the last two years (the first nine or ten years was solo).
  Glen, correct me if I am wrong, but I believe the first shakedown runs will be made with only one motor.
  Having seen the car at Jim's, and Marlo's shop a few years back, and being a retired Sheet Metal Worker who has built both Street Rod's and two Bonneville cars, I can say without a doubt that just seeing it once may cause a Orgasm at best, and a Coranary at worst.
                                This car belongs in the Smithsonian some day soon..................... as do the stuffed bodies of Marlo and Dr. Freudenberger (in his famous business card photo).
                                                              Bob  :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on July 02, 2012, 05:32:13 PM
The car will NOT run at B'ville.

I'll fill this in next week.

Be patient. I don't want to make a post and then make another to correct it.

JUST  BE PATIENT.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Dean Los Angeles on July 02, 2012, 06:11:43 PM
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-cQSfzZ-n3XI/Tc27Bk5p9lI/AAAAAAAAAgg/JO0fNxSHvgw/s1600/patience.jpg)(http://brightestblue.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/chickenpatience.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/GAT95.jpg)(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_1_WxkOeIxkk/TPkyPPjBiGI/AAAAAAAAAhw/xrtkNuFlsjg/s1600/vulturesPatienceMyAss.jpg)


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on July 02, 2012, 09:24:36 PM
Thanks Dean.

We applied to Charmin for sponsorship.

They told us we would have to be patient.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Kiwi Paul on July 02, 2012, 10:25:44 PM
Doc---I am still trying to get some time to visit Mr Hume and see the Exhibit errrr Streamliner this week. It will be a last minute kind of thing if it happens.........work is really in the way at the moment....


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on July 03, 2012, 10:56:08 AM
Paul there will be other opportunities before long. Just do what you can. It's nice when it's in Jim's shop because he is

devoting his time to answering questions and showing hard to see features. When it's on display it's easier to talk about

it but when it's preparing to run it's "radio silence."

Bob, the testing will not be done with a single engine. Maybe the first pass but I doubt it. Les is a throttle to the floor

kinda driver and he will be in control.

Stay tuned people.

Happy July 4th to all of you.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: superleggera on July 05, 2012, 12:50:14 AM
Hey Freud! (and Jim and Jason)

Thanks for allowing us to view the streamliner today with all the inevitable questions we asked. 

For everyone who has seen the pictures and the notes that Freud has posted, the Target550 streamliner is all that and even more.  I will admit to spending more then a few hours seeing a lot of great ideas, unique solutions that I will add to my streamliner, admiration of the metalwork (and machining) -- and wish my home shop was as well equipped as Jim's is. 

Inevitably even after spending that many hours, I probably missed many other details.  But hopefully I (and others) will get to see more of it upcoming when on display at Bonneville.



Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: mitchell968 on July 05, 2012, 01:30:28 AM
yes, thank you jim ,jason , freud. beyond impressive . even for a military aircraft guy. least i could do was show up with a platter of patriotically festooned cupcakes.        happy 4th everyone.         mitchell


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on July 06, 2012, 10:57:59 AM
Clean and simple. Here's todays post:  http://www.target550.com/gallery/180_july4_rivet_gun_breather_tank_brackets/index.html


Have at it.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on July 06, 2012, 11:01:49 AM
Super and Mitchell............Thanks for coming and we are overjoyed that it wasn't a waste of time.

Rubbing shoulders with our "pals" was a privilege and eating the cup cakes was addicting.

For Jim, Jason, Dave, Marlo, Ray Therat and myself

THANX AGAIN,

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on July 06, 2012, 11:46:31 AM
You still have today and Saturday to see the car.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: ratpatrol66 on July 06, 2012, 03:03:59 PM

I made the short trip up from Arlington to see the car today.
Your pictures are great Freud, but seeing the car in person
Just blew my mind. WOW! It is so very impressive the work
done to this streamliner. The workmenship on so many levels,
simply unbelievable. No it is believable, I seen it with my own
eyes. I will not be on the salt this year due to a career change.
So 2013 should be the year this UFO runs WFO. 


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: TwinSpin on July 09, 2012, 07:10:39 PM
Build it . . . and I came.

Drove up to Jim's open house to see the liner last week. It is as Freud and Ray the Rat have documented it. Plus, it is true of what all other visitors have said above. I was honored to finally see it live under construction and in assembly.

Being new to land racing and a retired shop teacher, I was as much interested in Jim's shop as I was in the liner build. Jim told me before he built racecars, he did cabinet work. That explains why I saw a side room filled with woodworking tools and machinery. I learned from Jim how much wood is used to help in the metal fabrication process. I saw many wood patterns and dyes in all sizes for forming the aluminum.

I stayed over an hour and had about 7 short conversations with Jim inbetween other visitors. I told him of my shop teacher background and how much I admired his work. He answered all of my question and at age 72 he is having the time of his life doing his thing.

I was able to take a picture of my daughter Rizzy with Jim alongside the great build. I plan another picture on the salt next month. And then to witness the liner in a flat out run next year would be the experience to remember. Thanks to Marlo for setting the bar so high. Plus, appreciation to Freud and Ray the Rat to help me watch Marlo's dreams come true.

Oh, Rizzy says hello to Jim's new puppy Copper.

Bill



Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on July 10, 2012, 12:14:20 AM
Bill we appreciate the effort that was required to get to Hume's place.

We enjoyed your note explaining your experience.

Now the question of merit is: Did Rizzy enjoy the visit?

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: TwinSpin on July 11, 2012, 01:08:49 PM
Hello Freud - -

Did Rizzy enjoy the visit? I think so. She followed me around the shop for the first 15 minutes as I explained about the liner and showed her all the machines and tools used to do the metal fab work. I told her what machines I wanted. She was very excited when I told her the liner had TWO engines. She new it was a fast one then. The next 45 minutes or so she played with Jim's new puppy Copper and kept asking me if it was time to go, while I continued my detailed look and touch of the liner. The live view of the liner gave me a deja vu of the pictures you took over the years. Seeing is believing, but it is still unreal.

In the middle of Rizzy's "Is it time to go" she got excited when one of the open house visitors left in his supercharged Model A blue coupe by pulling a hole shot in front of the shop. He left in a cloud of smoke. That open her eyes just like it did at the NW Reunion when we toured that PT boat and they started up one of the engines.

So, did Rizzy have fun? I think so, but I believe there is more fun to come. One of the purposes of my visit was to explain and show her of my love for racecars. I want her to know me for my passion to design, build and then race what I built, just like I did back in the 1960's before she was born. It would be my dream for her to follow in my tire marks. Not a demand, just a desire. Plus, I'm teaching her about all the nice people you meet along the way in this world of racing. So yes, the trip was successful. Not to mention that we did spend three days as a tourist in Seattle after the visit to Jim's shop. Thanks again to Jim for having the open house. I think he had a nice turn out from what I saw that one day.

Bill


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on July 11, 2012, 08:38:56 PM
I certainly am happy that your visit was impressive to both of you.

One of these days before long it will be "out in the world" for everyone to see and hear.

Thanks for your effort to go see it. It's a major trip for you.

That I do understand.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: ratpatrol66 on July 13, 2012, 02:58:32 AM
Glen is there any chane I could play with the scale model in the liner on the salt?
I promise to make really good engine noises!


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on July 13, 2012, 10:15:03 AM
There is a good chane you could not.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: WOODY@DDLLC on July 13, 2012, 07:23:26 PM
Freud, what if two of us make motor noises?  :-o :-D :cheers:


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on July 13, 2012, 08:00:41 PM
Making motor noises would be just fine.

It seems that the motors were delivered yesterday.

Check the url for todays post:   http://www.target550.com/gallery/181_the_engines_have_arrived/index.html

They actually do exist and now people can go to bed knowing that it was not a hoax when we talked about them.

Have fun and find a new topic to fret about.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: bvillercr on July 13, 2012, 10:52:00 PM
This build when running will be the new Al Teague on the salt.  Everyone will stop what they are doing and run to the track side with their binoculars to see this liner run. :cheers:


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on July 13, 2012, 10:55:51 PM
We don't expect miracles.

That's too much praise until we do something.

I do admit, it's rather outstanding.

THANKS for the compliment.

I can assure you, I'll be watching when you run.

Probably between the 4 and the 5.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Jack Gifford on July 13, 2012, 10:58:56 PM
You're makin' me feel dumb...
Are those Roots blowers? With a difference in diameter between the rotor pairs? Tell me what I'm lookin' at...

Edit: No, I guess not- seeing as there aren't any bearing supports on the front plate for a second rotor. What's up? :? :?


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Peter Jack on July 13, 2012, 11:06:30 PM
Jack, go to:
http://www.whipplesuperchargers.com

Pete


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on July 13, 2012, 11:09:00 PM
Thanks Pete.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Bob Drury on July 14, 2012, 12:46:02 AM
  Jack, until you have seen a Whipple next to a 1471 Roots (GMC) style supercharger or worse yet tried to lift one, it is like having a schoolbus parked next to a minivan.
  They were "kidnapped" from their intended use and are built in Sweden by Lysolm for use in industrial applications such as dust and chip removal systems in the wood and grain industries.
  Before local hero Art Whipple (of Whipple and McCullogh Funny Car fame) worked with Lysolm to adapt them to automotive engines, I had only seen larger units in area Wood Product facilities.
  The Whipple as well as the similar PSI unit work so well (while not producing nearly as much heat as a Roots type supercharger nor needing seals between the "screws") and were first allowed to be used in the NHRA in the Blown Alcohol series but not in the Nitro classes because of the massive amount of boost they produce (50 + psi easily).
  About ten years ago, the NHRA mandated that both the Whipple and PSI blowers would have to show proof thru testing that they would meet certain standards determined by testing which reportedly would cost between fifty and one hundred thousand dollars.
  Art Whipple, working with Lysolm, had by then developed a very successful buisiness with bolt on kits for popular engines, and reportedly told the NHRA to "stick it up their a-s".
  The race versions are still popular and legal in SCTA and Drag Boat racing, but are getting hard to find.
  I sold one to Dave Davidson (first 300 mph roadster) about five years ago and they put in on top of a small block Chevy in the Beck and Davidson record setting  D/BG Street Roadster with John Beck driving.
  What a sight, the blower is almost as large as the small block chevy engine it engulfs!
  One more thing about the Whipple.  It is unique from the PSI blower in that it can be driven off of either end which allows Marlo's vehicle to couple the blowers to the crank pulleys via a Gilmer belt drive.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on July 14, 2012, 03:04:25 PM
Thanks Bob,

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Captthundarr on July 14, 2012, 04:26:21 PM
yep, folks are paying attention and not just looking at thr purty pictures :-D


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on July 14, 2012, 05:37:59 PM
yep, folks are paying attention and not just looking at thr purty pictures :-D

This is really nice to know.  Seriously.  We'd feel kinda bad if nobody cared and we were just wasting time.  Speaking for myself, I hope that LSR junkies get some pleasure and inspiration out of what we put on the web.  I feel pretty honored cuz I get to see the photos before anybody else, 'cept fErD.  :) 

Earlier today I spent a lotta time under my own race car and I found myself wishing I could just fabricate a rotisserie like the folks at the "skunk works."  Then I looked at what I was working on and began to despair when doing a mental comparison of my work vs Hume's, Jason's and Dave's.  But then I just decided that I'd do my best and maybe take a little more care with what I was working on. (At that moment, I was installing a new Throttle Valve cable into the transmission.)  And I guess I'll repaint the Art Carr deep tranny pan so it doesn't look so scratched up.  Hmmm...back to the garage.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Bob Drury on July 14, 2012, 07:20:31 PM
  Ray, the first thing to remember is that whether you are Marlo Treit, or the infamous "Ray the Rat" we all suffer from the same illness:  Speed X Money = broke racer.
  Only the numbers change, no matter who you are or how much you started with.
  If, as in Marlo's case, all the time, money and effort pay off with their speed goal, he probably won't be any happier than you will if you and your vehicle are still in one piece at the end of a event.
  And that, my friend is what makes all of us LSR junkies equal's.
  There really are no requirements for our sport other than  realizing that most of your fellow racers will willingly loan you part's, tools, and advice free of charge, and  that you will most likely share truthfull information with the guy chasing your own record.
  Assets, both in cash and knowledge are allways your best friend, but in truth, without luck advice and the help of our fellow racers, nobody will ever give a rat's (sorry) Acura about what you accomplish, but if you are like me (and I expect you are), you don't care about anyone else's opinion and reallize that any one of us is as good as the best.......... we are just edging up on the record.........................
                          Bob  :-D

                     (who thanks both yourself and Dr. Freudenberger for sharring Marlo's great build with the rest of us).          Thanx Ray


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Glen on July 14, 2012, 08:09:20 PM
Having been in the timing stand/trailer since Cagle drafted me in 1983 and timed thousands of vehicles at the lakes and salt I have seen the joy and heart break of many racer. The cost of a record or a membership to one of the clubs has no importance when that blue, red or black hat is given to you and all of your efforts regardless of the cost was just rewarded to you. Yeah and many tears have been shed in impound to tell you that the hard work and untold hours to get there are worth every bit of it.

When Les and Marlo fire it up on the starting line the first pass there will be silence and all eyes looking at the long course. This project has taken 12 years to get to the salt. You will be over blown away when you see the real product. Oh, don't forget the cameras
and to tell the entire team thanks for sharing the build and the pictures by Freud and the Rat.
 :cheers:


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: wheelrdealer on July 14, 2012, 08:42:29 PM
Ray, Bob and Glen,

Well said.

Ray and  Freud I am sure I speak for many. I have looked at and read this entire thread a few times and everytime I look back I notice some great detail I missed. There is no way in this lifetime I can ever fabricate to the level of this build...but I can tell you I fabricate better because of the things I have read and observed in this build.

I think all of us in a "Secrect Life of Walter Mitty" way would like to sit in the seat, watch the canapy lowered, let the clutch out on "two" blown hemis and fly towards floating mountain at 500 +. Because of this thread there will be a lot of us "on board" for that maiden run.

Thanks for the great coverage of the Target 550 build.

Bill



Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Captthundarr on July 14, 2012, 08:49:08 PM
Well said gentalmen. This season in the ECTA is over for Amy and me. Money and time have both run out. We achieved 3 out of 4  goals which ain't bad. We will continue next year with new goals for her and her car as I lay out plans for my race car. Amy's will just need to be "improved upon" :-D


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: desotoman on July 14, 2012, 09:57:45 PM


It seems that the motors were delivered yesterday.



FREUD

Nothing better looking than TWO BLOWN LATE MODEL HEMI MOTORS, with Front Mounted Whipple Superchargers. This is the only vehicle I have ever seen that took the time and effort to front mount a Whipple  Screw Supercharger.

I congratulate Team Viking 31, this build is just fantastic. Thanks for letting us have a peek into such a extraordinary build.

Tom G.



Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Jack Gifford on July 14, 2012, 11:11:07 PM
... a difference in diameter between the rotor pairs?...
 ... there aren't any bearing supports on the front plate for a second rotor...
I'm still left with these questions; which I couldn't answer by reading the Whipple website. All their diagrams show a pair of equal-diameter rotors, geared together in the traditional/expected manner. Thanks for the responses- any more help will be appreciated.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on July 15, 2012, 02:41:20 PM
There are only a few relevant statements regarding a Whipple.

They are heavy.

They are expensive.

They are difficult to find.

They aren't legal in NHRA.

They make huge horsepower

and they are noisy if you blow one up.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Bob Drury on July 15, 2012, 06:18:37 PM
  Jack, I wish I would have taken a picture of the one I sold to Dave.
  They DO NOT HAVE identical rotors, they have two meshing, twisting, almost mating but different looking mother fu....... well anyway, they are called a "screw" blower for a reason.
  It's been too far back for me to be accurate on a description, but sufice to say they are a tapered twisting rotor, which really doesn't make any sense at all.      Bob


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Bob Drury on July 15, 2012, 06:24:21 PM
  BULLETIN!!! 
  If you google LYSHOLM Commressor (I had been misspelling it), scroll down to a picture  and if you open it up you will have all your answers before you.
  How they ever machined the prototype is beyond me............... Bob


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Jack Gifford on July 16, 2012, 12:07:27 AM
... google LYSHOLM Commressor...
Bingo! Thanks, Bob. The Lysholm website does answer my questions very well. I'm left with a merely a trivial question- the pronunciation of "Lysholm"! :-D


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: WOODY@DDLLC on July 16, 2012, 08:30:43 AM
http://kennebell.net/KBWebsite/Common/pdfs/twinscrew-vs-roots-fromcatalog.pdf


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on July 16, 2012, 10:39:22 AM
Thank You, Woody.

Responses like yours make this sight exciting.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Bob Drury on July 16, 2012, 02:58:04 PM
  What a "airhead".
  My last post about mispelling Lysholm, and I mispelled compressor............ or is mispelling spelled with two s's?
  p.s.  I don't remember the sixties OR seventies so hopefully you all will take pity on me (Stan doesn't).......................   
                                                        :roll: Bob  :roll:


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: 4-barrel Mike on July 16, 2012, 03:28:12 PM
I saw that, Bob, and was wondering what misspelling of "Commressor" got you worse results.  I was going to ask but didn't want to embarrass you. 

 :cheers:

Mike


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on July 18, 2012, 08:03:22 PM
TwinSpin:

QUOTE
In the middle of Rizzy's "Is it time to go" she got excited when one of the open house visitors left in his supercharged Model A blue coupe by pulling a hole shot in front of the shop. He left in a cloud of smoke. That open her eyes just like it did at the NW Reunion when we toured that PT boat and they started up one of the engines.

The dude that left Hume's shop in a cloud of blue smoke was the fellow that pained the chassis of the 'liner.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on July 20, 2012, 08:14:06 AM
With the engines in the chassis it feels like there is good progress.

Here is the url:  http://www.target550.com/gallery/182_engine_install_wheel_fairings_visitors/index.html

Enjoy.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Vinsky on July 20, 2012, 10:53:03 AM
Is Gorilla glue a 'go fast' secret? (photo 182_021) Should that be in every Bonneville tool box?


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: WOODY@DDLLC on July 20, 2012, 11:25:08 AM
Is Gorilla glue a 'go fast' secret? (photo 182_021) Should that be in every Bonneville tool box?

Vinsky, I wondered the same thing!  :?

We used to call the yellow 3M adhesive gorilla snot and I know that belongs there!  :cheers:


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on July 20, 2012, 01:05:18 PM
I have a hunch about what it's used for.  But I'll let Freud give the "horse's mouth" answer.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: TwinSpin on July 20, 2012, 02:40:22 PM
"TwinSpin:

QUOTE
In the middle of Rizzy's "Is it time to go" she got excited when one of the open house visitors left in his supercharged Model A blue coupe by pulling a hole shot in front of the shop. He left in a cloud of smoke. That open her eyes just like it did at the NW Reunion when we toured that PT boat and they started up one of the engines.

The dude that left Hume's shop in a cloud of blue smoke was the fellow that pained the chassis of the 'liner.

FREUD"

Hello Freud - -

I didn't know who he was. He left shortly after I arrived. I wish I could have met him and shook his hand. I do remember your pictures of him painting the frame right there in the shop. That also explains why Jim has a poster size picture of his blue Coupe on the shop wall. The picture shows him on the starting line at a drag strip doing the same smokey hole shot.

Still waiting to see the liner on the salt for another picture of Rizzy next to it. I heard it will be displayed on the salt for three days and then in a historic building for another three days.

See you on the salt.

Bill


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on July 20, 2012, 06:15:53 PM
A quote from RtR:  But I'll let Freud give the "horse's mouth" answer.

All I could do was belch.........I paid no attention to the can but I do not think that was the purpose.

I'll ask, find out and then add a comment.

I've ordered some burlap to use as a handkerchief in case they are spraying it when I am there.

That way I will be safe.

I just couldn't wait and I questioned the man with the can.

Jim needed to hold a small piece in place on the inside of the tail section and the GoRillar stick'em up-puckey was how he did it.

Later in the history of this diary there will be a question regarding this answer. Review it everytime you read the diary because it

will pop up when you are not expecting the need for recall.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on July 24, 2012, 03:53:07 PM
Here's the Official Viewing Schedule.

The Treit & Davenport streamliner will be on display during Speed Week.

From 10:00 AM until 3:00 PM, Saturday August 11th, Sunday and Monday, it will be in the San Diego Roadster Club portion of the pits.

Jim Hume, Marlo Treit, Jason Hosking, Dickie Milne and Korey Bligh will also be there.

Arrangements are being made and it will be announced regarding showing in the evening at the airbase.

The car will be under cover in a 20' x 60' tent on the Salt.

We hope to see you there.

Bring your camera.
FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: WOODY@DDLLC on July 24, 2012, 04:09:42 PM
Freud, I have been saving & bottling my drool just for this event!  :-o :cheers:


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: wheelrdealer on July 24, 2012, 04:48:15 PM
Freud:

That is great news. It will be a great experience to see up close and personal the Traget 550 Liner and the people responsible for its creation.

See you in a few weeks.

Bill
 


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on July 24, 2012, 09:04:22 PM
Woody and Bill, we will be just as excited to meet all of you fans as you are to see the car and crew.

We'll get ready and be waiting for all of you.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Dean Los Angeles on July 25, 2012, 09:18:04 AM
Gorilla Glue is wonderful stuff. If you want to glue anything it sets fast and holds. It is a polyurethane glue. When exposed to moisture the adhesive reacts and creates a foaming action that fills voids as it cures.

I bought it to glue high density foam for a mold. The important thing is that when the glue cures it has the same density and sands just like the foam.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on July 25, 2012, 11:14:17 AM
Dean, if you are on the Salt stop by and identify yourself.

I'd enjoy meeting you.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Elmo Rodge on July 25, 2012, 12:25:21 PM
Dean, if you are on the Salt stop by and identify yourself.

I'd enjoy meeting you.

FREUD
Me too. Wayno


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on July 25, 2012, 01:20:49 PM
Wayno, bring your newest dragon fly.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Elmo Rodge on July 25, 2012, 01:41:09 PM
Glenn, I was thinking about that this morning.  :cheers: Wayno


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Digger_Dave on July 25, 2012, 05:04:28 PM
Glenn, I was thinking about that this morning.  :cheers: Wayno

Wayno, guess who? It's me "Digger Dave!"
I just signed up yesterday and was thinking of YOU.

I missed seeing all of you at the salt the past couple of years.
The original "N of 49" car has been disassembled and the parts have gone into
a new car that Ted Allen has built.

Not sure if you are aware that Don Siewert died just before Xmas. (one of the drivers of the original "N of 49")

Hoist one for me!
Digger


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on July 27, 2012, 12:24:38 AM
Our post for this week will be past midday Friday.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on July 27, 2012, 08:02:21 PM
Finally.......it's done and posted.

url:  http://www.target550.com/gallery/183_front_back_reassembly_continues/index.html

A short one this time.

Enjoy.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Bob Drury on July 27, 2012, 09:41:14 PM
  Keep in mind, sport's fan's, that those beautiful water, fuel and oil tanks were not store bought, but manufactued by Jim Hume (including the hammer formed round ends of the cylindrical tanks) and when Jim isn't lolligaging on this car (pun) he is famous for building the fuel and oil tanks for most of the Fuel Funny Cars (Force, Pedregon, etal) and of course for his mind bogleing Wood Artistry which include Wooden Fabrege Egg's on display in the Smithsonian Art Institute.  And then there is that miniture 303 cu in. Old's motor on the shelf that I would steal if given the chance.
  This project is the culmination of the life long Racing Career of Marlo Triet, who has raced at Bonneville since the mid sixties (but who was also building marvelously ingenious race vehicles for other applications at the same time), and Jim Hume who helped (along with the late Pat Foster) set the standard for safe, Beautiful and well engineered Funny Car's in the 70's and 80's and in truth, they haven't changed much since.
  When you add to the mix Les Davenport who is a long time Drag Racer, Alcohol motor tuner,  Dyno expert, machinist and talented race car driver, there are more years of knowledge and craftsmanship involved in this endeavor then imaginable.
  Not to mention the folks like Freud, Ray, Korey, Dickie, Steve, Six (Bob Harris) and a lot of other folk's who contributed to make this happen.
  If you are coming to Speedweek, you better bring a good camera, cause no one back home will believe you when you tell them about "Target 550".
  And if the Earth happens to implode before it runs, you will go out knowing that you have seen the very best effort by skilled craftsmen with (believe it or not) NO CORPORATE BACKING, and designed and funded by a one time Used Car Lot Attendant named Marlo Treit.
                                                      I salute the effort and dillegence of those involved
                                                                                Bob


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Peter Jack on July 27, 2012, 09:59:40 PM
Bob, you said it very eloquently for all of us.  :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

Pete


Title: Treit's streamliner
Post by: Bob Drury on July 27, 2012, 10:29:42 PM
  Pete, that's where I gained the moniker "eloquent One Run Bob"............. or was it "that f*cking a*shole Bob"?
  Anyway, hope to meet you at Speedweek.  If not, I will at least kick Six in the shin for you, him being another Alien Racer beholding to the Queen, for God's sake...............  Bob
                                                        


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on July 27, 2012, 10:35:53 PM
Thanks Bob.  That is appreciated. If one overlooks the craftsmanship it's a major accomplishment

just to stay dedicated to a single project as long as Jim and Marlo have been with this car. I'll

tell you how close things are with this build. Several skin retainers on the frame had to be removed

and replaced with removable ones when they put the engines in place. The dummy blocks didn't have

valve covers on them and when the serious engines were being installed the extra width, or height,

caused them to not fit.  Easy enough. Cut them off and make them removable. There is no part of the

car, matters not how long ago it was done, that can not be altered or replaced. That's in the rules.

It's a terrible penalty to be around this build. Cars that I thought were pretty nice don't seem so

outstanding anymore. It's a tough standard to judge against. When there is  a car that impresses me I

know what the builder has put in it and for that I respect him.

I still have at least one more post before Speed Week and it will be a big one. So watch in a few days.

We may slide an extra one in this diary.

Thanks for your interest and Thanks to Bob for the background information.

See you on the Salt.

FREUD




Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Peter Jack on July 27, 2012, 10:45:46 PM
Bob, I spent the best part of an hour on the phone with him the other night. We covered a lot of subjects and you were among them. You passed!  :-D :-D :-D

I won't make it down for Speedweek but I'll probably be down a little later in the year.

Pete


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on July 27, 2012, 10:58:43 PM
Peter, come to the Bonneville NW Reunion and see all of the peeps.

February 16, 2013.....Portland Airport Shilo Inn.

url: bonnevillenwreunion.com

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Bob Drury on July 27, 2012, 11:21:06 PM
  Glen, I hereby state that if we are both still alive for the 2013 NW Reunion, I will not only wear the same red dress that I wore for Dolan a few years back, but I will kick your Acura (screw you Slim, I will modify my own curse words!!!!) singing Karioki to anyone from
Snooky Lanson to Eric Burden (no not Eric Eyres, he couldn't sing his way out of jail).
                                            Bob (the Singing Thug).................


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: wheelrdealer on July 28, 2012, 09:57:40 AM
Bob, you have given me hope. I am a onetime used car mechanic and salesman. If Marlo can make it from lot boy to Target 550 then I can step up my game.  :cheers:

Bill


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Bob Drury on July 28, 2012, 01:27:15 PM
  Bill, if you ever have the pleasure of meeting Marlo, ask him about Bon Ami (simillar to Comet powder cleaner) and the automotive uses he learned on the lot.............
                                              :-D Bob  :cheers:


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Dean Los Angeles on July 28, 2012, 07:15:13 PM
I am still looking for the engraved, finely crafted, oak shoehorn used to install all of those parts.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on July 28, 2012, 09:08:44 PM
The parts march into place and wait to be secured.

It's that simple.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on July 28, 2012, 09:58:39 PM
 :-D
  Glen, I hereby state that if we are both still alive for the 2013 NW Reunion, I will not only wear the same red dress that I wore for Dolan a few years back, but I will kick your Acura (screw you Slim, I will modify my own curse words!!!!) singing Karioki to anyone from
Snooky Lanson to Eric Burden (no not Eric Eyres, he couldn't sing his way out of jail).
                                            Bob (the Singing Thug).................

Bob, if yer gonna do Eric Burdon karaoke, I'll put in my request for "Cisco Kid."   :-D  (Forget the dress, tho)




Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: salt27 on July 28, 2012, 11:27:05 PM

"Bob, if yer gonna do Eric Burdon karaoke, I'll put in my request for "Cisco Kid."   :-D  (Forget the dress, tho)"



[/quote]

Ray, be carefull with what you request.

I would rather Bob kept his dress on than to see him naked. :-D
     Don


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: dw230 on July 29, 2012, 12:37:13 AM
Eric Burton? Just sayin'

60s revisted Drury.

DW


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: DND on July 29, 2012, 03:27:02 AM
Hi Bob

If my mind serves me well the ' Bon Anmi ' deal is like a new set of rings for those smokers, then they can put them out on the front row for sale!!

Don


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on July 29, 2012, 01:58:22 PM
I'm too young and uninformed to be in this conversation. In all of the

nights Marlo and I have spent together in various Motel 6 locations

we have never discussed Bon Ami.

Apparently he is holding out on me but I doubt I will ever pursue that topic.

H e l l , it may involve clening the toilet bowl.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Bob Drury on July 29, 2012, 07:20:23 PM
  And the WINNER IS: DND (Don) who will soon recieve aproximatly two tons of Zuccini (I over planted) delivered to his front porch.
  Delivery date may vary.
                                                                            :-o Bob  :-o


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: DND on July 29, 2012, 07:39:47 PM
Hi Bob

Back in my planting days i would let a few get big, split in half and good for stuffing - like the food channel guy Alton says ' Good Eats '

My first job out of school was at the Chevy dealer in San Fernando, and i was a lot boy for the new & used cars lots and you see and hear lots of stuff about what goes on in the car selling biz.

Don


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Tman on July 29, 2012, 07:43:30 PM
  And the WINNER IS: DND (Don) who will soon recieve aproximatly two tons of Zuccini (I over planted) delivered to his front porch.
  Delivery date may vary.
                                                                            :-o Bob  :-o

I'll take some Zukes Bob! Make a mean relish out of the stuff


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on August 02, 2012, 10:57:22 PM
There may be a day or two delay before the next posting.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on August 03, 2012, 08:49:34 AM
There may be a day or two delay before the next posting.

FREUD

This may turn out not to be the case.  :)


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Dean Los Angeles on August 03, 2012, 09:22:50 AM
That's OK! I can wait!

(http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQJYRwJkxcidkIK30vfUET-8el7u8yL_-oiV36NFf-o_Gn7hYxCW5l2SC3KoA)


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on August 03, 2012, 10:28:46 AM
Dean, that's the way I was feeling as I sorted fotos from months in the past but I did accomplish the task.

I will add more later and cover the entire assembly.

Here is the url:  http://www.target550.com/gallery/184_steering_system_1/index.html

I hope you used a liberal dose of MUM so you don't stain your shirt.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Peter Jack on August 03, 2012, 10:45:42 AM
You're still pretty spry Freud. You do a lot better than me getting down to take pictures as shown in the last picture with the reflection in the polished tank.  :-D :-D :-D

Thanks for your continued good work.

Pete


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Dean Los Angeles on August 03, 2012, 11:24:48 AM
In case you are confused, and I was for a while, and I'm smart . . .

picture 184_010 says:
The pitman arm is attached to the plunger within the secured cylinder. Any movement of the arm causes the fluid to be directed out through the two hoses.

I do not believe that is correct.
The pitman arm from the steering box attaches to the cylinder body, not the shaft/plunger.
Conventional thinking would have the shaft and piston moving up and down. In this case the shaft is fixed and the entire cylinder body and hose assembly moves.
Still works the same.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on August 03, 2012, 01:05:19 PM
As usual Dean is correct.

I made the mistake just to see if he was paying attention.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: wheelrdealer on August 03, 2012, 05:35:13 PM
Thanks, Freud and Ray.

It will be great to see this fine piece of racing art in person in just a few days.

Bill


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on August 03, 2012, 05:55:58 PM
 Bill we will be waiting for you.

FREUD and the Main Team


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on August 04, 2012, 10:55:57 PM
I just returned from being involved with picking up Marlo's car from Hume's shop.

They have about 235 miles from where I live to Treit's shop.  Probably be there between midnight and 1:00AM.

That's the first time it has touched the ground. I'll post several images Sunday.

It sure is long and low. Just seeing it on the ground was emotional.

FREUD



Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: salt27 on August 04, 2012, 11:23:33 PM
This history in the making.

Thanks to all involved for letting us see your dream materialize right before our eyes.

It will be great to see it in the flesh, but I want watch, hear and smell it streek down the course.

Thanks again, Don


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: bvillercr on August 05, 2012, 09:10:51 AM
Looking forward to seeing it in person. :-D


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on August 05, 2012, 10:54:35 AM
More to come..............but not today.

She's going to the dance w/o being fully finished.

The short lens makes her nose look big.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Glen on August 05, 2012, 12:24:02 PM
It looks awesome, thanks Freud, Marlo and the Hume gang. :-D :cheers:


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: WOODY@DDLLC on August 05, 2012, 12:38:57 PM
Everyone bring some polishing compound and an old Speed Week t-shirt and we'll just polish that b....h uh, bad girl!  :cheers:


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Stan Back on August 05, 2012, 12:56:03 PM
"The short lens makes her nose look big" -- that's what you said about your wedding pictures.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on August 05, 2012, 01:00:00 PM
I'll tell you. It's dificult to describe: my feelings as compared to what Hume thought as the trailer door was closed.

For me it was like your first kid moving out. It was difficult to see the change. Jim must have had one of several

feelings. He knows it's not finished, it will come back and then all of the small things will still need to be finished.

The car is ready for liquids. All of the mechanical part is done. The apparently never ending work on the tail section

must still be cleaned up. The date that it was going to leave "the nest" was established and whatever wasn't done

would just have to wait. I think the wait is well worthwhile.

Sitting on the driveway gives a totally different feel that I have ever experienced but there is a lot more to come.

Jason Hosking (L) and Dave Jeffers (R)

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on August 05, 2012, 01:36:52 PM
Stan Back I wasn't worried about the length of anything on the wedding day.

FERD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on August 05, 2012, 02:18:42 PM
bvillercr we are looking forward to your visit.

Even if it's after  when you qualify.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: dw230 on August 05, 2012, 06:10:39 PM
I knew Doc would be like this. Someone bring him a hanky.

DW


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Tman on August 05, 2012, 09:17:19 PM
At almost 43 years of age I have been reading my/dads collection of old Hot Rod mags about all the guys that were racing in the 50s/60s. There was a detachment, like I missed something. But, in the last 12+ years via the internet and in person I have been able to meet some of those heros of past. Met many more folks and now, thanks to this am able to see another piece of history. I don't wish to go back in time, I think we are living in a pretty momentus time for being a hot rodder!


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: mc1984ss on August 05, 2012, 11:14:41 PM
The car has always looked amazing in the pictures and the one of it sitting out in the driveway is the best one yet! Thanks you again so much for sharing it with everyone! Have a great safe trip to Bonneville I unfortunately will have to wait another year,  the liner being there made me want to go that much more.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on August 06, 2012, 11:33:21 AM
mc1984ss, now that it's been outside it doesn't want to go back in. There will be many opportunities

to see it later. It is going to run, just not this time. There are testing plans underway and then it's

challenge to make the big number will be attempted. It may take several tries but this team is not

quitting. After waiting this long to get this far the approach to post a big number will be thorough

and relentless.

This goal will not come easy but there is no quit in the project.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Dean Los Angeles on August 06, 2012, 01:51:31 PM
In the near distance I hear the clack of the solenoid, the whine of the starter . . .

The first burble of an exhaust note, the smell of a new motor roaring to life . . .


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on August 06, 2012, 01:57:51 PM
That's shortly after returning from the Salt.  The front engine has run on Davenport's dyno so it's felt the heat of a dyno pull.

The rear engine is ready and it won't have long to wait.

The plan now is to do the first tests at the Mojave Mile the last weekend in September. Marlo bought new 250 MPH tires,

had them mounted and shaved to use when they do the "destructive" type testing on that strip. Any problems will be

addressed over the winter.

The only thing missing from the testing sequence will be the smell of NITRO.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on August 07, 2012, 10:51:46 AM
A simple explanation:  There had to be a cutoff date established for Marlo to pick up the car, drive to Portland

and get ready for the trip to Wendover.  When it was decided that there would be a display on the Salt it was

also decided that the car would leave Hume's place on that day.......whatever the state of finish.  There is still

work to be done on the very last section of the tail. Chute releases are one of the items. So when the hour was closing

in on them enough rivets were installed to make it suitable to transport. So with finishing still needed the last

section has not been surface finished.  After the return from Wendover it will have to go back to Hume's place

for the final touches. It is ready for fuel, water and oil. Dave Jeffers says mechanically it is ready to run. Then

back to Treit's shop in Oregon to get it ready for testing in September.

I know. We always want more but once again patience is required.

As soon as I know more I'll post it. My life will be altered from now on. Instead of the project being 55 miles from where I

live most of it will be done 230 miles away.  Even flying it will take 4 hours to get there. Bless todays security system. Oh Ya.

We'll see you at B'ville.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on August 07, 2012, 02:31:30 PM
Sir Freud, please get in touch with me (PM is fine).  I've got a query for you to answer.  Thanks.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on August 07, 2012, 04:09:45 PM
No SSS, you can not sit in it.

Maybe Nancy could.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on August 10, 2012, 10:45:56 PM
I won't get todays post finished for a few hours.

Come back tomorrow and see what happened today.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Stainless1 on August 11, 2012, 07:45:03 AM
No SSS, you can not sit in it.

Maybe Nancy could.

FREUD

Enter smart remark here, then reconsider and just say you are looking forward to seeing it again....  :roll:
Marlo says it is short 146 rivits or so.....  :-D


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on August 11, 2012, 02:41:32 PM
Freud's a little tied up at the moment and I just got the Target 550 post for this week up on the server.  Here's the link

http://www.target550.com/gallery/185_target550_liner_meets_Bonneville%27s_weather_new_shirts/index.html (http://www.target550.com/gallery/185_target550_liner_meets_Bonneville%27s_weather_new_shirts/index.html)

The topic has a little to do with the weather we had over the past coupla days and getting the liner out of its shell for public ogling.  And ogling they are doing!  I gotta run down to the display area, so enjoy the post and I'll get some more SW photos as soon as I can...if the little Propster-like thing doesn't chop us all to ribbons first.  (If that doesn't make sense to ya, check out the "Official SW 2012" thread.  Ya can't miss it.

Here's one more photo that wasn't included in the post:

(http://www.target550.com/gallery/185_target550_liner_meets_Bonneville%27s_weather_new_shirts/185_017.jpg)

Enjoy,



Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: DND on August 12, 2012, 02:25:49 AM
Hi Ray

The liner is sure looking fine, are they going to set it on the ground so you can see it without the cradle blocking part of the view.

And why can't the salt cops put a stop that prop car or tricycle i guess you would call it, you could not pick a more safety wise bunch of guys than the whole group of LSR racers and this guy is in the middle of them on the terrible thing?

Don


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: TD on August 14, 2012, 07:18:59 AM
I understand they are special but would it be possible to procure one of those new T-shirts? Please :)

Thanks
Tim


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: wheelrdealer on August 14, 2012, 10:31:51 AM
Marlo, Jim, Freud and the rest of the Target 550 Crew:

Thanks for going to all of the trouble to display the streamliner at SpeedWeek. It was a great experience to see it up close. All I can say it, 2D pictures do not do this car justice. You have to see the real thing.

Freud, Jim and Marlo it was great to finally meet you.

Dr. Freud, thanks for the tour of the Target 550.

Bill



Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: interested bystander on August 15, 2012, 12:37:19 AM
Great work Dr F.

Hope S.B.'s keeping in line!

Jealous in  muggy So Cal.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: sailingadventure on August 15, 2012, 03:53:34 AM
I`ve been watching this build for the last several years, and think this entire project is the most well engineered and planned project I`ve ever  :-Dseen. It makes my car look like a soap box derby car built by a 10 year old, but I would like to see more details about the transporter trailer and cradle that`s used to move the liner around. That in itself looks like a major project that took a lot of thought and engineering. Congratulations on a job well done!  :cheers:


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on August 15, 2012, 08:20:39 AM
Here is the url for the post on the carrier.

http://www.target550.com/gallery/06_car%20carrier/index.html

It was probably done in 2007.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on August 15, 2012, 08:36:38 AM
Marlo is making arrangements to sell the new shirts.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Tman on August 15, 2012, 09:45:57 AM
Yes, nice to see you two again! And thanks for letting us drool on the car :cheers:


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on August 15, 2012, 07:38:47 PM
Anytime T-Man.

Thank You for stopping by.

Just remember, you are second.

Woody was first.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: desotoman on August 15, 2012, 07:53:33 PM
Marlo is making arrangements to sell the new shirts.

FREUD

For those not at Bonneville.

Tom G.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on August 17, 2012, 07:21:24 PM
We will have a post within the next hour.

It's 5:21 PDT.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: WOODY@DDLLC on August 17, 2012, 07:55:41 PM
Anytime T-Man.

Thank You for stopping by.

Just remember, you are second.

Woody was first.

FREUD

Freud is was great getting to meet you, Marlo and the 40 foot long drool receptacle!  :cheers:

Woody


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on August 17, 2012, 08:19:13 PM
Sorry, I got delayed a bit.  I'll have the post done asap.

In the mean time, here's another image of the liner at the sunrise shoot.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on August 17, 2012, 09:21:08 PM
Ok.  Now this week's post is on the server:
http://www.target550.com/gallery/186_liner_hits_salt/index.html (http://www.target550.com/gallery/186_liner_hits_salt/index.html)

At long last, the liner's feet hit the salt.  Here's a shot of Freud trying to herd the cats for the early morning photo shoot.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on August 17, 2012, 09:31:54 PM
Thank You, RAY.

You had my backside once again.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: desotoman on August 17, 2012, 10:18:42 PM
The picture below shows just how popular this car was at Bonneville. I know it was the highlight of my few days there. After following this build for years, I was able to see for myself, all the work and foresight that has gone into this build. If you think it looks good in pictures, just wait until you see it with your own eyes in person. I know I took at least 100 pictures of this car.

I would like to thank Marlo, and the entire Target 550 Crew for taking the time and effort to put this magnificent car on the Salt for all of us to see and ask any questions we might have.

I had a great time while under the big white tent. It was great to see Marlo, Freud, and Dickie. It was also great to meet Korey, Ozzy, Jason, Les, and Ray Therat.  

Thanks for your dedication to this wonderful project, and all the best at attaining your goal.  

Tom G.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Tman on August 17, 2012, 11:23:11 PM
Ok.  Now this week's post is on the server:
http://www.target550.com/gallery/186_liner_hits_salt/index.html (http://www.target550.com/gallery/186_liner_hits_salt/index.html)

At long last, the liner's feet hit the salt.  Here's a shot of Freud trying to herd the cats for the early morning photo shoot.


I was herding cats all weekend with our team. It sucks to be crewchief and used to being EARLY for everything. Throw an artist into the crew and I might as well had a Mime!?!?!?!??!


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on August 17, 2012, 11:35:31 PM
I'm happy that Tom and oh so many others had the opportunity to see the car in person.

I must commend Marlo for deciding that he had enough time before the Mojave Mile to

take 9 days out of the shop and bring the car to the biggest LSR event of the year.

We are overjoyed that people enjoyed the chance to see it in it's aluminum flesh.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: mtkawboy on August 18, 2012, 08:24:57 AM
The car in person is one of the most incredible pieces of workmanship Ive ever seen ! Now I want to watch the driver get out of it. I hope it has an ejection seat of some kind. The car carries workmanship to a whole new level for me. Not that a number of others arent right up there, heck of a job !


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on August 18, 2012, 09:21:26 AM
Ok.  Now this week's post is on the server:
http://www.target550.com/gallery/186_liner_hits_salt/index.html (http://www.target550.com/gallery/186_liner_hits_salt/index.html)

At long last, the liner's feet hit the salt.  Here's a shot of Freud trying to herd the cats for the early morning photo shoot.


I was herding cats all weekend with our team. It sucks to be crewchief and used to being EARLY for everything. Throw an artist into the crew and I might as well had a Mime!?!?!?!??!

Now ya know why I don't do wedding photography.   :-D 

But I'd be remiss if I didn't mention that it was great to meet you and all the other cats (slightly different connotation there) that came to visit the liner or those who were kind enough to stop by my Burb and say hello.  LSR people are the best in the world!   :cheers:

A funny sidelight to this is that someone came up to Pork Pie (whose beard is quite a bit longer than usual) and asked him, "Hey!  Are you Ray the Rat?"  Apparently the hair (or lack of it) and beard overcame the uniqueness of the vest and hat.  I don't know whether either one of us was insulted or complimented, but I think it's funny as h*ll either way.   :roll:

@mtkawboy:  I agree about the ejection seat.  It'll be very interesting to see Les do an emergency exit, although he was able to get in pretty darned well.  I'll be doing a mid-week post in a couple of days that will include a shot of Les getting into the car.  It's kinda interesting...but then it's not much different than the way I have to get in to and out of my race car when it's on the trailer.  If I was 40 years younger, I'd try the Carl Edwards method of egress...but at my age and somewhat decrepit state of health, I think that's a an action better left for younger men...or maybe just a "Hold my beer and watch this" kinda move.  LOL!


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on August 18, 2012, 11:07:30 AM
I have been in and out of it and it was not much of a problem but I wasn't wearing a fire suit and helmet.

The brake lever wasn't in it either. I noticed that Les' right leg had to be in an odd position for his foot to

be on the throttle. Being the quite fellow he is I doubt that we will be hearing any complaints.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Dean Los Angeles on August 18, 2012, 01:26:41 PM
This is what Freud was trying to show:


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on August 18, 2012, 02:19:44 PM
Thanks Dean. I just didn't have either time or energy to tie that together and the format in

our build diary wouldn't allow it anyhow.

Thanks for the image. I knew I had enough overlap to make it into a mural.

You are a mind reader even though there isn't a lot of mind to read.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Bob Drury on August 20, 2012, 04:08:34 PM
 
  The good news from my end is on the way home from retrieving my Golden Retreiver yesterday I stopped by Marlo's shop and he and Dickie were tucking the race car in for a nap.
  They both looked beat but happy.
  My only question (to myself) was where were all the local "starting line struters" who seem to disapear when its time to clean and put things away?
  Maybe they were chained up in the shop...................  Anyway, if nothing else happened, at least Marlo and I had a nice talk, which we both needed.
                                                  God Bless and I am so eternally gratefull for the end result and a couple of old racers talking on the same page again.
  As I told Marlo, the only thing that can stop this car now is lack of salt, so each and every one of us MUST continue to support SAVE THE SALT ( which would probably bring the Burkland car back out too).                Bob


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: dieselgeek on August 20, 2012, 04:16:05 PM
This year was the first I'd seen the "Target 550" streamliner in person, and really knew very little about it up to this point.

Instead of reading 100+ pages, can someone summarize for me when this streamliner is expected to be finished and make it's pass on the salt?   Is this an all new construction or is it a rework of a previous liner (kinda looks like the one that ran briefly in Australia a decade ago or so)?

The workmanship is sharp on this car!  I am hoping we'll see it run soon?

-Scott


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Bob Drury on August 20, 2012, 04:24:30 PM
    Speaking only as a outsider, I believe low speed runs on shaved Dunlop tires will be made next month at Mohave Desert (where Bert Rutan's operation is) to test chutes , brakes, steering and engine support systems (trans, clutches, blower drive, belt drives, etc.
   If all goes well I expect them to be ready for Speedweek 2013, but this is all just my opinion.
  Hell, for all I know, they may rent the Salt for December and put ski's on it........
                                       JMO Bob


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on August 20, 2012, 04:26:02 PM
Thanks, Bob.

I like it.

gf


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: dieselgeek on August 20, 2012, 04:27:10 PM
Good stuff, thanks guys!

What engine(s) + trans combo will it run?


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on August 20, 2012, 05:31:25 PM
Good stuff, thanks guys!

What engine(s) + trans combo will it run?

Here ya go: http://www.target550.com/specs.htm (http://www.target550.com/specs.htm)

More info than ya ever wanted to know.  :)

Photo galleries (for this year) are here:
http://www.target550.com/gallery.htm (http://www.target550.com/gallery.htm)


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: dieselgeek on August 20, 2012, 07:35:01 PM
Thanks Ray for the links.  Some good reading in there.



Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Jack Gifford on August 21, 2012, 12:07:38 AM
8.61 square feet? Now I'm impressed! Just off the top of my head- that's got to be 10% - 20% less than my lakester (P-38 style). And a drag coefficient about 90% less!!


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: maguromic on August 21, 2012, 01:33:01 AM
Everything about the car is impressive! I couldn't make speed week due to a death in the family, but thanks to Ray and Doc I have enjoyed the car through their lens.  Tony  :cheers:


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Bob Drury on August 21, 2012, 10:40:07 AM
  To Tony, I am sorry to hear of your loss.  I was looking forward to meeting you, but I was only there long enough to pee and head home.
  Jack, if you go way back (maybe under the other Topic Heading) you will see several pictures of the wind tunnel model, a beautiful four foot long exact replica of the real car that was hand carved by Jim Hume (plus a matching bottom half which when mated upside down to the first model were used to simulate "real" airflow charictaristics while in a static position.
  The model was painted with a liquid chalk which left positive proof of how and where any turbulance occurred, and then any body modifications were addressed.
  One more interesting fact, every single rivet in the body was purposly left higher than the finished body skin and then hand filed down to the exact body surface.
  Oh, and when the final fit began, Jim wasn't happy with the gap between two 8' long body panels, so he devised a way (using a long thick copper strap as backing) and Tig welded a 8' long bead before filing it down to ensure the precise gap he wanted.
  He thereby earned his spot and will be stuffed and displayed in the new Museum along with Marlo and of course, Dr. Freud.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Tman on August 21, 2012, 10:53:25 AM
Yes Bob, the fit and finish is amazing. I would have stayed longer looking at the car but we got word a wind storm was on the way so we went to break down our pits.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Bob Drury on August 21, 2012, 06:11:13 PM
  Just another aside, but several years ago I was privelaged to see the original model before it was painted.
  Jim had laminated two thick pieces of some type of blonde wood with a 1/4 inch strip of Ebony (I believe) serving as a spine, right down the middle.
  I was sorry to see it painted as it looks like a fiberglass replica, and in saying that I also would personally like to see the "real deal" left unpainted, if for no other reason than to show the masses what a exceptional piece of art this car is:  no bondo, no lead, no nothin, just hours and hours of hand formed, hand finished perfection.
  I am not going to claim Jim is the very best, their are others like Tom Hanna, the late Pat Foster (Jim's late partner), the late Jack Hagerman, Quinn Epperly, Ron Fornier, Ron Covell and on and on.
  What I will say is that as far as finish and detail, no one has ever been better than Jim, and if you want to see proof, go to the Smithsonian Museum and look at his hand carved wooden Fabrege Egg's.
  It took many talented people to make this project happen, but without Jim Hume, I doubt that it would have ever met the standards that he set.               Bob


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on August 21, 2012, 06:50:50 PM
Bob, I'm happy to agree with you.

Marlo allowed him the freedom to establish the quality of this build.

Seems to me that it's coming out pretty well.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: WOODY@DDLLC on August 21, 2012, 07:59:22 PM
Thanks to the crew for the display and thanks for the tour, Freud!  :cheers:
It is truly a motorized, pinnacle of functional art!  :cheers:


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Kiwi Paul on August 22, 2012, 12:53:30 AM
Good to have a quick natter with you at ''The Exhibit'', Doc.....I managed to buttonhole Jason for a few minutes as well, and Shadowed Messrs Bjorkman and Kennedy as they recieved their quickie tour....


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Jack Gifford on August 22, 2012, 01:21:11 AM
The "fit and finish" certainly do appear to be supereb. But "fit" in a different sense is what so impressed me about the design- to squeeze it all into such a small frontal area. :-)


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Bob Drury on August 22, 2012, 11:08:32 AM
  Yep, and it all started on a napkin.
  I remember a few years back when Marlo was working on the design of the car "carrier" with Alan "OZ" Ozborne,  Marlo had allready cut his forty two foot gooseneck trailer in two and added ten or so feet, but their was no way to load the race car in the trailer.
  Marlo was sitting at his desk with a scale ruler and had drawn the trailer, fold down gate and cut out a "to scale" side view of the race car in the rolling four wheel steer carrier right down to the correct tire size.
  He then showed me how the race car and carrier should fit with a inch or two to spare!
  I started to tell him he was crazy, but he is immune from hearing that for over sixty years, and by God it did fit (with a inch or two to spare).              Bob


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: dieselgeek on August 22, 2012, 01:49:43 PM
Do you guys think it'll be ready for speedweek next year?

I know they're trying to build for simplicity (read the comments about anything electrical, with which I disagree by a lot), but I'm thinking two engines are going to be a real handful even without electrical concerns.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Bob Drury on August 22, 2012, 03:30:03 PM
  First of all, drag racers have run up to four engines at a time (Ivo), LSR cars have also run up to four engines at a time (Herbert and Steen. Ernie Immerso, Mickey Thompson to name a few) and those broke farmers in Iowa have run at least six blown Hemi's at a time. (Ralph Gorr once told me that he went to a tractor pull to help a customer, and was amazed that no one pulled valve covers between pulls.  He also said it was a lot easier to work on them the first night because the second night you were working a foot deep in empty beer cans......................)  
  In the case of the Treit and Davenport car, the rear motor is run through a B&J air shifted four speed (as is the identical front motor), through a belt drive which connects two Gilmer (think Blower belts) connected to the multi piece drive shaft which runs about fifteen or so feet forward.
  Behind the belt drive the rear motor connects directly to the rear quick change.
  Meanwhile, as the multi piece drive shaft continues forward it ties into another identical gear/belt drive which transfers the power from the second B&J transmission to the same driveshaft.
  After passing the front motor, a third gear/belt drive transfers the power from the driveshaft to the center mounted front quickchange.
  This allows the car to be run as a two wheel rear drive, two wheel front drive or four wheel drive in any combination with either the rear motor only, the front motor only, or balls to the walls with both motors.
  See, its easy as pie.        Bob


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: dieselgeek on August 22, 2012, 03:37:34 PM
That sounds like a ton of hassles to me.   I'd be more afraid of flinging belts than electrons, but electrons on the salt are my specialty.  Just don't spill'em!


I seriously can't wait to see this car run, but I hope the builders (and fanboys, there seem to be a lot of 'em) are prepared for 4-5 years of debugging work.

How much horpsepower will it take to go 550mph in this?  (seems a lofty target!)  I know that the Spectre car needed around 2000hp for it's number just over 400mph.

One other question, does the Treit streamliner have a suspension, or is it rigid?


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Tman on August 22, 2012, 03:49:09 PM

You forget one thing Grasshopper..................Marlo and Les spent years already refining their program with their lakester. They know what they are doing.


That sounds like a ton of hassles to me.   I'd be more afraid of flinging belts than electrons, but electrons on the salt are my specialty.  Just don't spill'em!


I seriously can't wait to see this car run, but I hope the builders (and fanboys, there seem to be a lot of 'em) are prepared for 4-5 years of debugging work.

How much horpsepower will it take to go 550mph in this?  (seems a lofty target!)  I know that the Spectre car needed around 2000hp for it's number just over 400mph.

One other question, does the Treit streamliner have a suspension, or is it rigid?


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: dieselgeek on August 22, 2012, 03:51:12 PM

You forget one thing Grasshopper..................Marlo and Les spent years already refining their program with their lakester. They know what they are doing.

They ran belt and gear driven dual engine 4wd in a lakester??  where did I miss this!!


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Bob Drury on August 22, 2012, 04:03:48 PM
  The big worry right now is having enough salt to stop the car.
  If needed the Whipple superchargers can put out in excess of 50 psi and on a liberal dose of Nitro, with twin 44 amp mags, could put out in excess of 15,000 horsepower.
  The tuner/driver is renownded World Wide, the owner is smarter than probably anyone you or I have ever met, and the crew are all well experienced with Blown motors from drag racing to unlimited Hydro's which run wide open for miles at a time.
  This car is the result of a fifteen year process involving the best manufacturers (Mark Williams, Keith Black, Art Whipple/Lysholm Superchargers, The Strassberg family (B&J) Bruce Crower, Mickey Thompson Tires, and has been constructed by one of the very best race car builders ever, Jim Hume.
  The only bad part is the lack of salt, but if neccesary, Marlo will float it to Australia where there are miles and miles of pristeen salt.
  Yes, sh*t can happen, but every detail has beeen researched including the drive shaft, which is built in (I believe) 32 inch sections because engineering data shows that any thing longer is subject to harmonics at high rpm.
  I am not a part of the team but I live and breath LSR and Nitro, and have been involved in drag racing/LSR for over fifty years, and have never seen anything built by the military that is better engineered or safe as this race car m abd uf anyine claims to have seen or been involved iwith anything better (other than NASA), they are full of sh*t, pure and simple.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Glen on August 22, 2012, 04:06:14 PM
The Turbinator runs with belt drives 470 mph, the Phoenix has a belt drive, as do several others check your facts, it,s not anew concept and electrical problems can occur on anything.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on August 22, 2012, 04:08:23 PM
In an earlier post, I'd promised a mid-week post with the shots I got of the liner on display and also at the "sunrise shoot." 

Well, life (no, more important than that, racing...trying to get ready for WoS) has gotten in the way (not to mention a computer limping along with a "compromised" power supply) so I'm not gonna have that post until Friday...it'll be our regular weekly post...but it'll be a big one (that's one reason it's taking so long) and it should be an enjoyable one.  Here's one of the images that will be in it.



Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: dieselgeek on August 22, 2012, 04:08:48 PM
'The Turbinator runs with belt drives 470 mph, the Phoenix has a belt drive, as do several others check your facts, it,s not anew concept and electrical problems can occur on anything. "

Check my facts?   that's why I am asking, so I can learn from this build.  I sense that some of you guys are a little too uptight about someone asking questions.  Calm down for crying out loud...   I didnt' even state "fact" but some of you guys are quick to jump my case.  I'm just asking questions.


Re: 15,000 horsepower, I know for a fact if you show up with that much power the only thing that will happen is broken parts and slipping tires....  I sense a lot of fanboyism and unrealistic expectations.  I may not have been coming to the salt for the last 300 years like some of you, but I know for sure they better show up with the right amount of power - not too much, not too little.  


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on August 22, 2012, 04:12:21 PM
They did not run a 4WD lakester.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Tman on August 22, 2012, 04:13:37 PM

You forget one thing Grasshopper..................Marlo and Les spent years already refining their program with their lakester. They know what they are doing.

They ran belt and gear driven dual engine 4wd in a lakester??  where did I miss this!!

No but the worked out their engine program, their blower issues and many of the logistics of going big speeds.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: dieselgeek on August 22, 2012, 04:16:35 PM

You forget one thing Grasshopper..................Marlo and Les spent years already refining their program with their lakester. They know what they are doing.

They ran belt and gear driven dual engine 4wd in a lakester??  where did I miss this!!

No but the worked out their engine program, their blower issues and many of the logistics of going big speeds.

That makes good sense.  Thanks tman.

I know these guys are pros, but a part of me does not understand bringing the car to the salt just for demonstration, I never viewed Speedweek as a social gathering or car show.   To me, the showmanship should come after the performance - otherwise, it seems they're setting unrealisticly high expectations. 

Don't take it the wrong way (some clearly will), I just want to see the car out there and running.   Show me the workmanship in impound!


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Bob Drury on August 22, 2012, 04:48:31 PM
  Diesel, I am neither trying to rile you or provoke your responses, nor am I in anyway connected with this race car.
  I have tried to follow the old axiom: there are no stupid questions, only stupid answers.
  Saying that, I feel (and apologize if mistaken) that you take great pride in being a "devils advocate" or possibly just want to see how far you can push before someone explodes.
  Speeking as a fairly knowledgable non member of the car, I have tried to patiently answer your questions in a way that most anyone can understand (and you seem very inquisitive and knowledgable).
  There are several mechanical engineers who frequent this site and are amazed at the amount of engineering, research and forthought that has been put into this car.
  Marlo has worked with engineers from Gates Rubber who are confident their belts can take the stress.
  Moreover, it would be fairly simple to convert the belt drive to chain or even gears if neccessary.
  If you have legitimate questions, it is your right to ask them, but to downplay the display of a unfinished masterpiece that was viewed with relish by probably 90% of those in attendance is degrading to not only the viewers of this site but to you your self.
  I am certainly no expert, but I am at a loss as to what you hope to gain with your insistant negativism in regards to this project.
  Perhaps propeller's are more to your liking.        Bob Drury (360) 696-1428  any time day or night.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: hotrod on August 22, 2012, 04:59:18 PM
I can see value to the fact that they did a live load and unload test in the actual environment the car will be run in.
They got to set up the tent structure and do the trailer off load and on load several times. I know there were some lessons learned during that process because I remember a couple comments about needing to remember an issue to make appropriate changes.

That said Bonneville has always in my experience been a bit of a car show, some of the spectator cars are as spectacular as the race cars.
Many of us spend as much time checking out the spectator and pit support cars as we do the race cars.

Like many I was thankful that we got to see this piece in a relaxed environment where they were not in a thrash to get it on the course and running.
Not to mention that as I understand it the car was built to FIA standards for world records and will not run under SCTA rules.

Larry


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: desotoman on August 22, 2012, 04:59:36 PM

Re: 15,000 horsepower, I know for a fact if you show up with that much power the only thing that will happen is broken parts and slipping tires....  I sense a lot of fanboyism and unrealistic expectations.  I may not have been coming to the salt for the last 300 years like some of you, but I know for sure they better show up with the right amount of power - not too much, not too little.  
 

You are correct about the 15,000 HP and that is not realistic. I will be the first to admit I am a big fan of this liner. I have known Marlo since sometime in the 1980's, and can remember him telling me if he could ever get Hume to build a liner he would not hesitate and go for it.

This liner started some 14 or so years ago, and I appreciate the fact that Marlo and crew brought the car to Bonneville for a show and tell. Is there a better way for one to display their car that is not quite ready to run than to take it to an event and let it be judged by its competitors and peers?

I am sure it will have some gremlins as all new cars do. But the big difference in this car is the major players have been playing on the salt for many years. Most if not all of Marlo's records with the Lakester have been surpassed and therefore not in the rule book anymore. So to someone who is fairly new at Bonneville (last 5 years) would not have seen many if any of Marlo's records in the rulebook.

Trust me when I say Horsepower will be no problem. They will be able to produce as much that is needed to get the job done. Les Davenport is a genius when it comes to motors. You may have never heard of him but he has been a top tuner in the NHRA Alcohol Classes for years, and has even written a program for tuning that most all of the Alcohol racers use. Les can also whittle anything out of aluminum or whatever material you need with his CNC machines. He also currently runs a car at the Nostalgia Drags in A/F that has beat Kin Bates whose tuner is Dean Adams, son of Gene Adams.  

I started to chuckle at Bonneville when one old timer said " It is a beautiful car, but 10 years in-behind in technology".  I knew what he meant, as he was speaking of electronics. I personally like the KISS method, and the Driver actually driving the car.

Bottom line, this is Bonneville where there are no cookie cutter cars for the most part, and that is what makes this so attractive.


Tom G.

PS. A few issues did arise at Bonneville that can now being addressed, so all is good.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Tman on August 22, 2012, 05:04:35 PM
I can see value to the fact that they did a live load and unload test in the actual environment the car will be run in.
They got to set up the tent structure and do the trailer off load and on load several times. I know there were some lessons learned during that process because I remember a couple comments about needing to remember an issue to make appropriate changes.

That said Bonneville has always in my experience been a bit of a car show, some of the spectator cars are as spectacular as the race cars.
Many of us spend as much time checking out the spectator and pit support cars as we do the race cars.

Like many I was thankful that we got to see this piece in a relaxed environment where they were not in a thrash to get it on the course and running.
Not to mention that as I understand it the car was built to FIA standards for world records and will not run under SCTA rules.

Larry

Good point on the load testing. I had not thought of that part.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: dieselgeek on August 22, 2012, 05:06:05 PM
 Diesel, I am neither trying to rile you or provoke your responses, nor am I in anyway connected with this race car.
  I have tried to follow the old axiom: there are no stupid questions, only stupid answers.
  Saying that, I feel (and apologize if mistaken) that you take great pride in being a "devils advocate" or possibly just want to see how far you can push before someone explodes.
  Speeking as a fairly knowledgable non member of the car, I have tried to patiently answer your questions in a way that most anyone can understand (and you seem very inquisitive and knowledgable).
  There are several mechanical engineers who frequent this site and are amazed at the amount of engineering, research and forthought that has been put into this car.
  Marlo has worked with engineers from Gates Rubber who are confident their belts can take the stress.
  Moreover, it would be fairly simple to convert the belt drive to chain or even gears if neccessary.
  If you have legitimate questions, it is your right to ask them, but to downplay the display of a unfinished masterpiece that was viewed with relish by probably 90% of those in attendance is degrading to not only the viewers of this site but to you your self.
  I am certainly no expert, but I am at a loss as to what you hope to gain with your insistant negativism in regards to this project.
  Perhaps propeller's are more to your liking.        Bob Drury (360) 696-1428  any time day or night.

I'm not downplaying anything about this car, except the expectations of guys like you who act as though it already went 550mph.  It's a beautiful build, I have stated that many times, so I do not understand your response.  All I am asking are realistic questions.

I also fail to see any negativism - those who know me, know I'd come running to help if this car needed so much as a toothpick or piece of duct tape to run it's pre-stated 550mph number.  

And as a person who's helped achieve a number of records on the salt, versus playing armchair quarterback or swinging from the appendages of others, I take offense at your comparison of me to Franklin Ratliffe.  


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: dieselgeek on August 22, 2012, 05:08:30 PM
And thank you to tman, desotoman and hotrod for not feeling the need to break out the Franklin comparisons.  I do agree, a load / unload test is a good idea.   So many of us have gotten out there to find out "we can't get this D*MN  thing off or on the trailer"    :-D


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Glen on August 22, 2012, 05:12:23 PM
There has been several upgrades including the front drive hubs and other changes that take time.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Tman on August 22, 2012, 05:24:10 PM
And thank you to tman, desotoman and hotrod for not feeling the need to break out the Franklin comparisons.  I do agree, a load / unload test is a good idea.   So many of us have gotten out there to find out "we can't get this D*MN  thing off or on the trailer"    :-D

Can't offend you, h.ll I may need your help tuning down the line since you are close! :-D


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Bob Drury on August 22, 2012, 05:31:11 PM
  Diesel, if you take offense to what I have said, so be it.  
  If your armchair reference was about me, I have been to Speedweek for the last eighteen years.
  Previosly I drag raced and worked on Top Fuel, and Alcohol Dragsters and a Nostalgia Gas Supercharged car.
  Negativity? re-read any of your last six or seven posts, and while you are at it reread mine.
  My only statement about speed was to say that the length of the shutdown area is questionable for any fast (400 and up) vehicle on the salt. Thats the main reason the Burkland's have parked their 450 mph streamliner.
  Perhaps my interpretation of your responses is incorrect, I will leave that for others to judge (although most of them lack the balls to speak up).
  Although I have never set a record on the salt, I designed, built, and paid for every part of my car except the paint, so if I may be so indulgent as to use your term "swinging from the appendages of others", please list your real name and the cars you helped set records for the rest of us..................  and with that I will allow you to keep swinging your bat at will, because I not only can't understand your logic (or is it humor)? but at a certain point it becomes nothing more than a pissing match with no winner's.
  As to your Franklin reference, I didn't make that statement, it's merely in the eyes of the beholder.......................  Bob


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: dieselgeek on August 22, 2012, 06:17:20 PM
  Although I have never set a record on the salt, I designed, built, and paid for every part of my car except the paint

Forget my accomplishments Bob, I just wanna hear more about this free paint job!  


 :cheers:


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: rgn on August 22, 2012, 06:41:12 PM
This project means a lot to me.  This vehicle is a thing of beauty, of scale, inspirational in every respect.  I look forward to Fridays, sometimes having to contain my disappointment when Freud announces that this weeks post will be a little late.  I want to see it in person, pat it, and meet the good natured crew, who are sharing their epic human and engineering journey, and in doing so inspiring the next generation of land racers.

This group of people asks nothing in return, they share unconditionally, they are supportive of others, good humored, good natured, and to my mind the world needs more of it.  Thanks to all involved.   :cheers:


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Dean Los Angeles on August 22, 2012, 06:58:38 PM
Diesel, there are 1,466 posts on this topic, 370 on the original thread, and 186 pages of photos.

You would do well to take the time to read the posts and check out all of the pictures and then ask questions.

The answers are out there.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Glen on August 22, 2012, 07:02:13 PM
A lot will hit the ignore button if the attitude continues.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: dieselgeek on August 22, 2012, 07:05:31 PM
Diesel, there are 1,466 posts on this topic, 370 on the original thread, and 186 pages of photos.

You would do well to take the time to read the posts and check out all of the pictures and then ask questions.

The answers are out there.

That's the problem, there are 1466 posts and most of them are guys who don't race oohing and aahhhing over the build.  Meanwhile, there are plenty of equivalent quality builds on the salt (Bob Drury even took the time to post in MY thread complaining about cars built to lesser standards not getting enough coverage, he should have started his own thread, then he brings us the ironic forum posts of the decade complaining that I am not giving enough credit where it's due - I'm not going to pretend to understand the psychological condition that makes a person behave like that).

Anyhow, I appreciate those who DID take the time to answer my questions without getting their panties in a bunch.  There are some great guys on the salt - most of them are racers, crew, or volunteers however.

I learned what I wanted to know, and I very much appreciate the skill and craftsmanship going into the Treit 'liner.  I just wish we could strip out all the fluffy pats on the back and ego stroking to get to the heart of the matter, which is:  getting that beast on the salt under its own power and seeing what she'll do.  Hopefully no Kling-Ons are harmed in the process  :-)


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: desotoman on August 22, 2012, 07:27:36 PM

The plan now is to do the first tests at the Mojave Mile the last weekend in September. Marlo bought new 250 MPH tires,

had them mounted and shaved to use when they do the "destructive" type testing on that strip. Any problems will be

addressed over the winter.

The only thing missing from the testing sequence will be the smell of NITRO.

FREUD

Dieselgeek,

Maybe this will answer some of your questions on when the car is scheduled to run. Hope this helps.

Tom G.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on August 22, 2012, 07:38:55 PM
I just hit the IGNORE button.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Bob Drury on August 22, 2012, 07:49:58 PM
  Dodge, I just wrote this elequent masterpiece and erased it somehow.
  Anyway, Diesel I hope your beer mug sign was a peace offering and if it was I accept.
  I don't have any animosities towards you or anyone else on this site.
  It is apparent that we are not on the exact same wave length, but I think we both want to see Marlo run soon and run fast.
  I would be more than happy to buy you a beer, and lets talk about anything, even Marlo's car but only if we both are armed with nothing more than ripe bananas.
  It's easy to get wound up on this site (I know, I am a expert at it) and I believe the real problem is Testosterone coupled with race cars.  Anyway, keep posting and see ya soon.... Bob    :cheers:


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: dieselgeek on August 22, 2012, 08:44:10 PM
  Dodge, I just wrote this elequent masterpiece and erased it somehow.
  Anyway, Diesel I hope your beer mug sign was a peace offering and if it was I accept.

Bob - It was, and thank you!  I'll take you up on that beer, hopefully next year they have a Salt Talks (the best place to meet forum members), and hopefully Nancy and Slim keep it upright!  Our team was upset to hear Nancy took a spill, it took a few hours to hear from the others that she was going to be fine...  thank God.



Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on August 24, 2012, 02:28:46 PM
We are not late with this post.

It's only 9:30 AM in Hawaii.

Ray took the responsibility off me this week.

Enjoy the coverage that he provided.

Here's the url:  http://www.target550.com/gallery/187_rats_salt_flats_photos/index.html

It's for sure not a group of fotos done in Hume's shop.

Enjoy and THANK YOU Ray.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Dean Los Angeles on August 24, 2012, 07:36:53 PM
Three questions.

The dyno test shows a black, flat topped intake manifold. The salt photos show a white intake manifold with a box structure on top. I can't figure out the box structure.

The Hume logo, complete with grapes, is attached where?

Was it a time consuming job cleaning all of the drool off?  :roll:


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: dieselgeek on August 24, 2012, 07:38:38 PM
Three questions.

The dyno test shows a black, flat topped intake manifold. The salt photos show a white intake manifold with a box structure on top. I can't figure out the box structure.


Air or water charge cooler is my guess. 


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Tman on August 24, 2012, 07:40:17 PM
Three questions.

The dyno test shows a black, flat topped intake manifold. The salt photos show a white intake manifold with a box structure on top. I can't figure out the box structure.

The Hume logo, complete with grapes, is attached where?

Was it a time consuming job cleaning all of the drool off?  :roll:

Dean, if you enlarge that last photo you can see the Hume logo on the nose.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: jdincau on August 24, 2012, 07:56:14 PM
Three questions.

The dyno test shows a black, flat topped intake manifold. The salt photos show a white intake manifold with a box structure on top. I can't figure out the box structure.

There are burst panels in the top of the manifolds. The in car manifold is white. The top half of the white structure ports the blast from a ruptured panel to blow out doors in the exterior skin.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: desotoman on August 24, 2012, 09:30:41 PM

The dyno test shows a black, flat topped intake manifold. The salt photos show a white intake manifold with a box structure on top. I can't figure out the box structure.



Dean,

Here is a picture I took of what you are asking about.

Tom G.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: desotoman on August 24, 2012, 09:44:37 PM
Dean,

Here is some reference as to the size of the Logo. Marlo was nice enough to supply his thumb in this picture for me.

Tom G.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: bvillercr on August 26, 2012, 10:30:20 AM
Was bummed that we couldn't find the time to see this masterpiece at Bonneville!!  I hope I can see it run in Mojave!!! :cheers:


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on August 26, 2012, 11:50:38 AM
We also hope you make it.

Target 550 team.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: dieselgeek on August 26, 2012, 01:11:53 PM
Trust me when I say Horsepower will be no problem. They will be able to produce as much that is needed to get the job done. Les Davenport is a genius when it comes to motors.  He also currently runs a car at the Nostalgia Drags in A/F that has beat Kin Bates whose tuner is Dean Adams, son of Gene Adams.  

I spent the weekend tuning a N/A gas engine on EFI with Gene Adams and Ron Pratt.  Told them about your comment.  They got a chuckle out of this. 

Gene has a Wally from 5 different decades.  Ron's won five CHRR championships in a row.   Even the best get beat sometimes, Gene is proud to have you playing Six Degrees of Gene Adams, just so ya know.   :-D


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: desotoman on August 26, 2012, 02:07:18 PM
Trust me when I say Horsepower will be no problem. They will be able to produce as much that is needed to get the job done. Les Davenport is a genius when it comes to motors.  He also currently runs a car at the Nostalgia Drags in A/F that has beat Kin Bates whose tuner is Dean Adams, son of Gene Adams.  

I spent the weekend tuning a N/A gas engine on EFI with Gene Adams and Ron Pratt.  Told them about your comment.  They got a chuckle out of this. 

Gene has a Wally from 5 different decades.  Ron's won five CHRR championships in a row.   Even the best get beat sometimes, Gene is proud to have you playing Six Degrees of Gene Adams, just so ya know.   :-D

dieselgeek,

You had a question about whether the Target 550 car would have the HP needed to get the job done. So I answered your question.

I first met Gene Adams before you were born.  :-) I currently own his old Jr. Fuel Desoto motor, which his brother Gary and I talked about on the phone only a couple of weeks ago. I have the utmost respect for Gene Adams, always have and always will.

IMO there is no one better at Injected nitro than Gene Adams. IMO there is no one better at Supercharged Alcohol than Les Davenport. They are both great competitors and run against each other at the nostalgia drags, and are at the top of their class. What more can be said.

I don't understand you comment about playing Six Degrees of Gene Adams.

Tom G.








Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Podunk on August 26, 2012, 06:38:49 PM
It's Marlo's. He can do anything he wants!


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Jack Gifford on August 29, 2012, 12:43:16 AM
Marlo must not be a good speller :-D. A Bonneville Nationals article in a Hot Rod Magazine issue from 1960 includes a photo of Marlowe Treit's twin-Triumph engined bike! :roll:

Is Marlo (or Marlowe) a member of these forums?


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on August 29, 2012, 10:35:36 AM
Did it ever occur to you that the magazine could have made a mistake?

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: landsendlynda on August 29, 2012, 11:51:59 AM
My Goodness there's a lot of pettiness going on here!!!!  You'd think it was December or January instead of August-We're-Racing-here-comes-September!!!

Craftmanship is the word of the day...okay?!!!  There is NOTHING simple about ANY build and each is UNIQUE
Artistic is the second word of the day..... Every build is artistic and has developed from a thought or idea in someone's head!! 

DREAM is the third word of the day..... Dreams come in all shapes and sizes, some dreams are smaller than others but no less important.  Some dream of a 55mph record...Some dream of a 550mph record...the importance of this....THE DREAM ITSELF!!!!

Some people can only draw stick figures, some can paint chapels!!!  My point in all of this...the beauty, forethought, and ability in any build is important.  Jealousy in any build will be present, but I wouldn't tell Michael Angelo that his paintings are too extravagant just because I can only draw stick figures!!!

This particular build is a MASTERPIECE no matter what your specialty or expertize.  Everything about it has been methodically thought out and handcrafted and even though I don't race, I can appreciate the beauty of this patiently and lovingly handcrafted work of art.   So, thank you Freud and Ray for helping us follow a beautiful Masterpiece as it is being made!!!

Lynda


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Peter Jack on August 29, 2012, 12:56:33 PM
Lynda, thanks for articulating what many of us were thinking. So many of us have been following the build for many years and Marlo and Les as well as Jim can back up their effort with many years if experience. The odds are as good as any that they will succeed. They have a thorough testing plan in place.

Pete


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Moxnix on August 29, 2012, 12:59:23 PM
Lynda, I'm out here at BUB.  Miss your smiling face twice a day.  Nice thoughts expressed. 


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Tman on August 29, 2012, 01:26:22 PM
Well said Lynda!

But it sure does not feel like art as I drag metal shavings into the house for Carla to get slivers from! I will be happier when she is commenting on the yellow overspray from the final paint! :-D THEN it will feel  like art!!!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Bob Drury on August 29, 2012, 04:34:20 PM
  Having known him for many years, I can attest to the fact that he sign's his name as MARLO, and although I have many old hot rodding articles (including many Portland Roadster Show programs from the sixties and seventies where every year it seemed he outdid the previous years audatious entrys including the Hydrogen Peroxide thrust dragster from 1963 or 64).
  Some articles identified him as Marlowe, some as Marlo.
  Personally I know him as a friend, mentor and one funny S.O.B. (although his Canadian Humor can wear on one).
  Just remember that in the LSR racing community that when you say Marlo (spelled any way you prefer) you know that whom ever is speaking is talking about one of the true inovators in our sport's history, and that no matter how many records he HAS OR HAS NOT set, He will go down with folk's like Chauvin, Ernie Immerso and many others who while trying to set records, most importantly spent most of their career's on the Salt trying to conquer different techknowlegies and idea's rather than the status quo of outdoing the norm.
  If you do not understand what I have just stated, then you never will............. Bob


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: dieselgeek on August 29, 2012, 06:10:36 PM
 Having known him for many years, I can attest to the fact that he sign's his name as MARLO, and although I have many old hot rodding articles (including many Portland Roadster Show programs from the sixties and seventies where every year it seemed he outdid the previous years audatious entrys including the Hydrogen Peroxide thrust dragster from 1963 or 64).
  Some articles identified him as Marlowe, some as Marlo.
  Personally I know him as a friend, mentor and one funny S.O.B. (although his Canadian Humor can wear on one).
  Just remember that in the LSR racing community that when you say Marlo (spelled any way you prefer) you know that whom ever is speaking is talking about one of the true inovators in our sport's history, and that no matter how many records he HAS OR HAS NOT set, He will go down with folk's like Chauvin, Ernie Immerso and many others who while trying to set records, most importantly spent most of their career's on the Salt trying to conquer different techknowlegies and idea's rather than the status quo of outdoing the norm.
  If you do not understand what I have just stated, then you never will............. Bob

I understand what you said. 

I am familiar with Chauvin Emmons' approach and successes.  Where can I read more about Marlo's same?  does he hold a bunch of records?  I am enjoying the history lessons here, do NOT think that us bonneville noobs do not appreciate it Bob.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Bob Drury on August 29, 2012, 06:35:32 PM
  Diesel, as I stated earlier, no matter how many records Marlo HAS OR HAS NOT SET, what is most interesting is that in his fifty years + on the salt not trying to outdo the status quo, but rather to try new ideas, he like many others including the Vesco's, Burklands, and the remarkable story of Al Teague, has followed his own path, not worrying about "next year" as many of us do.
  Marlo started running on the salt in (I believe) the early sixties when he built and ran a twin engine Triumph M.C. and progressed (for lack of a better word) up to setting the (I think) A/BFL record ten or so years ago, which is about the time he became enamored with the piston powered, wheel driven LSR record.
  While any and all might question his overall accomplishment record, I think that those of us who have been fortunate enough to meet and know Marlo realize what he has done and still strives to do on the salt: to use original and inovative thought to suceed while realizing that there might be a easier and cheaper way to achieve the same goal.
  Speaking only for myself and as a guy who spent his first nine years on the salt running a Early Olds engine (against new motors of the same size) knowing that I didn't have a chance in hell at a record, I personally admire someone who doesn't follow the norm.
  Do Marlo's lack of records denote a loser.  Is the same true of those of us who like me hope to do it without partners or "real" sponsors?
  I think not, but you may not agree. That is your God given right.         Bob


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Dynoroom on August 29, 2012, 06:36:07 PM
Scott/Geek, I think I "hear" what your saying. Google Treit & Davenport Lakester for some of the most current info before the construction of the 'liner took their souls...... :-D

AA/BFL  314.536  1996

B/BFL  329.431  1998

A/FL  292.309  1997

As you well know any record is tough, the records above are what lead these men to attempt the streamliner in question.

And for added fun I found this picture of Marlo from a bit further back in time......   8-)  


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: wheelrdealer on August 29, 2012, 07:01:45 PM
Linda and Bob, well said.

Thanks you have a lot more patience than I have to articulate what a bunch of us are thinking.

Since I paint stick men, I will drag my junk out to Wendover every other year and attempt to improve on my personal best. I don't expect to ever get a colored hat except the one JEGS sends me when I make a large parts order. But this does not mean I don't want to or work hard to go fast enough. Bottom line, LSR is as much a journey as it is a speed trial.

Fact is, I am a big fan of anyone that makes it to the starting line...  'cause I know how hard it is just to get there. And of course I am a big fan of you too Linda!

Bill



Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: rgn on August 29, 2012, 07:13:47 PM
Congratulations Geek, you have managed to monopolize 5 pages of a thread dedicated to the build of the Treits Streamliner with your attention seeking, narcissistic bleating.  

Can we get this thread back on topic please?   :roll:

Topic being the celebration and enjoyment of the Treit-Davenport build.  


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Bob Drury on August 29, 2012, 07:31:37 PM
  and, Scott (so you do have a real name!), just so you don't have some delusion about wether or not I hold Marlo in some "god like" esteem, although he helped me right a sinking "Bonneville" ship, I ceased all communication with him about two years ago over what some might consider a "trivial" difference in philosophy's and only recently spoke briefly with him while leaving Speedweek to congratulate him on being "close to the finish line".
  While our "friendship" is still on hold, I still wish the best for him and his dream, and once again say to you: if you do not understand what I have just said, you never will.
  I would never ask you to change your mind on any subject or person based upon what I say, and I understand (from previous posts) your aprehension and questioning all the hooplah that has surrounded Marlo and his dream.
  What I wish you could get a grip on is that this son of a Alberta preacher, nee car lot attendant, nee motorcycle racer is just like you and me, worked his Acura off and still can be a Alfa at the wrong moment, has many flaws, but to the best of my knowledge, has never screwed anyone, most especially any fellow racers while in pursuit of his personal goal.
  I do not question or fault your seemingly insatiable questioning of all things "Marlo" nor do I question your right in doing so, but apparently sometime in your past Marlo has  either pissed you off or offended you in some way.
  I can think of no other logical reason for your "extra special " continuing questioning of "all things Marlo."
 Allthough as I stated earlier, untill Speedweek  I had not communicated with Marlo for around two years due to lets say "personality conflicts",  I don't let "small time
sh*t"  define what I think of a man or his goals.
  I would only ask of you to consider that life is too short to let animosities  keep any of us from meeting and learning from what others think and are doing, not from whatever past trangressions or wrongs we might percieve.
    Spoken with humility and hopefully friendship, Bob (and I still would like to buy you a beer and talk, just not argue on this forum so much). Take Care.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: dieselgeek on August 29, 2012, 07:31:58 PM
Congratulations Geek, you have managed to monopolize 5 pages of a thread dedicated to the build of the Treits Streamliner with your attention seeking, narcissistic bleating.  

Can we get this thread back on topic please?   :roll:

Topic being the celebration and enjoyment of the Treit-Davenport build.  

Yes, pardon me for asking questions, how ridiculous of me to do that on a public forum.

I enjoy the build and pictures, and will celebrate when the record is achieved.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on August 29, 2012, 09:27:25 PM
I'd like to take a minute or two from my pre-WoS thrash to 1) thank Lynda for her wise counsel and 2) mention that pretty darned soon we're gonna get a chance to see (those of us who can make it to the Mojave Mile) it run.  (And add a few words about my own race car.)

Without regard to anyone's past accomplishments (as a rider, driver, builder or visionary), it would be a wonderful thing to see this beautiful piece of art and craftsmanship come to life and move under its own power.  Period.  Frankly, I'm having a hard time being patient until that time comes, even though I'll have my own racing to do before that happens. 

Maybe that's a little bit of what's going on here.  From looking at the Target 550 website statistics, I can tell that there are a lot more people looking in on this project since it was on display at Speed Week.  Freud and I have been pretty close to it for the last few years and of course Marlo and Hume and Les for quite a while longer.  But that's coming to a conclusion.  The building phase is just about over.  And if other folks are as anxious to see it run in person as I am or see photos of it (there will be more than one camera pointed at it, that's for sure) and its trial runs...well, that might just explain a little bit of the jitters.  I know I'm jittery.

As far as asking questions, I don't see that as wrong at all.  I'll be happy to answer things when and if I can.  I know Freud's done a masterful job of creating the images and the descriptive text that has accompanied them.  And when questions have come up, he's gone to the source to get the answers.  We really do try our best to answer any questions put before us.  Sometimes the answer might be, "that hasn't been announced yet," but it's still an answer.  :-D  Name-calling and other forms of unpleasantness are probably best kept to a minimum.  Yeah, I know.  SSS is the moderator, but I'm saying it, anyway.

I'm gonna change the subject for a second and mention that I've been thrashing to get my race car, which was a 130 Club car and is now to be a 150 Club car rebuilt after a psycho driveshaft from h*ll destroyed everything between the rear axle and the engine block.  Just yesterday we got it on the rebuilt trailer which now has a much improved ramp mounting system and we broke down and bought a winch to draw the car onto the trailer.  I have to admit that I'm not the best at driving onto a trailer that's at most 18" wider than the car, especially when I can't see where the car's going.  The winch was something we should have done in the first place...but apparently we had to learn the hard way.

So today I took the car to have a roll cage (or at least a 150-Club-legal B-pillar hoop and bracing) installed only to find that the guy who was gonna do it was 3 weeks behind in other stuff and couldn't do it.  So I had to make a buncha phone calls, call in a favor or two and I should have a Jeg's 12-point kit here by Saturday and then have, if nothing else, the 150 Club-required portion of it installed Tuesday morning.  I sure hope it works out that way, because I leave for the salt the following day to get set up and do photo coverage for this site.  As the old joke goes, "Go ahead!  Give it a turn!  I work better under pressure!"   

(http://www.target550.com/temp/WorkBetterUnderPressure.gif)

Seems to be a normal pre-meet thrash.  If ya wanna see what I've been rambling about, the coverage of the salt racing with my car (85 Monte Carlo SS, 406 smallblock) is here:
http://www.chevyasylum.com/85monte/85monte28.html (http://www.chevyasylum.com/85monte/85monte28.html)  There are about 9 pages and photos of my own build diary there...at least the parts going back to 2011 and our minor difficulties.  (Minor, my Asston-Martin.)

Now I'm gonna go out to the garage and try to do some of the stuff I can at the moment.  And I'll try to be patient while waiting for the Target 550 liner to run at Mojave.  Ohh...and if I don't break the car this year, maybe I can run it at Mojave, too.

Back to your normally scheduled discussion of that marvelous streamliner and all that relates to it.



Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on August 29, 2012, 10:14:52 PM
I'm not hiding out from this thrash. I've had some surgery done and it may still be a while before I contribute very much.

Thanks for the interest so many people show in this project. I chose to IGNORE some posts and can truthfully say

"I don't know what's going on."

Many of you will probably agree with me on that revelation.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Plmkrze on August 29, 2012, 10:48:36 PM
Ok back to your regularly scheduled program.

Freud and the gang, I am interested in any special tools that have been fabricated to easy repair/maintance when in the battle!

I see alot of small hard to reach places. Reminds me alot of my days as an Aviation Structual Mechanic (AMS) working "O" level on A-7E's.

Please supply any pics, and pics of the tool box/trailer etc, etc.

As a youngster I was taught the importance of organization and tool control. You only need one Acura chewing by the maintance Master Chief to understand tool control! Keep up the good work!!! 


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Tman on August 29, 2012, 11:13:12 PM
Bob, after your last post, just shut up. I like you but your blowhole is on overdrive this week.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Bob Drury on August 29, 2012, 11:41:13 PM
  Tman, I respect both your posts and opinion and just to update you, Diesel and I have been engaged in a off line discussion initiated by him that hopefully has not only ended our on site tug of war but hopefully started a meaningful off-site friendship.
  I am as guilty as most of provoking arguement, it unforunatley is my nature, and I certainly have not meant to offend you or anyone else, sometimes I forget to let others talk............
                                             Bob  :cheers:


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on August 30, 2012, 12:26:17 AM
  Tman, I respect both your posts and opinion and just to update you, Diesel and I have been engaged in a off line discussion initiated by him that hopefully has not only ended our on site tug of war but hopefully started a meaningful off-site friendship.
  I am as guilty as most of provoking arguement, it unforunatley is my nature, and I certainly have not meant to offend you or anyone else, sometimes I forget to let others talk............
                                             Bob  :cheers:

 :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

RtR


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Jack Gifford on August 30, 2012, 12:41:14 AM
... Is Marlo (or Marlowe) a member of these forums?...
No answers to a legitimate question?

Bob Drury- are you not able to "read" these facial expressions?
>  :-D :-D :-D
>  :roll: :roll: :roll:


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Plmkrze on August 30, 2012, 06:28:08 AM
Were there any problems with the load and unload of the liner? Were there any problems with the "dolly" and moving it with the liner suspended around on the salt? If problems were identifed what were the solutions? I think that has been one of the interesting points of this thread, watching the solutions that were implimented. There are people that are interested is ALL aspects of this endeavor.








Oh yea, in the tool box do you have any mouth zippers? Or possibly some keyboard glue? At times seems alittle of both is called for around here.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: SLCMike on August 30, 2012, 10:20:38 AM
 Ray, I don't know you except from this forum. I live in Farmington and would happy to assist you to get your car ready if needed. I am a kack of all trades (master of none).  Let me know if you need an extra hand.  Back to the subjecct at hand.  I was at Speed week and got to see Treaits car up close.  Being an old aircraft sheet metal mechanic I have to say I have a man crush on the liner.  It wouldn't matter if it ever ran or set a record, the workmanship is just beautiful.  I know the immense amount of thought/planning and layout that has gone into this.  It harrd for me to even fathom the amount of work and unwaivering commitmant it has takento get to this point.  I salute Marlow and his entire group, I hope to be like them when I grow up.  I don't think I can swing Mojave but I want/need to see Treits car run as soon as I can. Lastly, "can't we all just get allong ".  :cheers:

SLCMike


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: SLCMike on August 30, 2012, 10:34:23 AM
I should have spell checked that, Jack of all trades and Treit. :-P


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on August 30, 2012, 11:25:32 AM
Ray, I don't know you except from this forum. I live in Farmington and would happy to assist you to get your car ready if needed. I am a jack of all trades (master of none).  Let me know if you need an extra hand.  Back to the subject at hand.  I was at Speed week and got to see Treit's car up close.  Being an old aircraft sheet metal mechanic I have to say I have a man crush on the liner.  It wouldn't matter if it ever ran or set a record, the workmanship is just beautiful.  I know the immense amount of thought/planning and layout that has gone into this.  It harrd for me to even fathom the amount of work and unwavering commitment it has taken to get to this point.  I salute Marlow and his entire group, I hope to be like them when I grow up.  I don't think I can swing Mojave but I want/need to see Treit's car run as soon as I can. Lastly, "can't we all just get along ".  :cheers:

SLCMike

We won't sweat the spelling errors.  Matter of fact, we'll just fix 'em.  :)

I'm at the point where I'm waiting for the roll cage kit.  Jeg's told me Saturday.  Fedex tracking is now telling me Tuesday.  It might still work.  I'm gonna send ya a PM with a phone number.  We may wanna look into installing the new spindles.

Course if ya wanna volunteer for pit crew duty, you'd be very welcome there, too.



Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Tman on August 30, 2012, 11:54:33 AM
  Tman, I respect both your posts and opinion and just to update you, Diesel and I have been engaged in a off line discussion initiated by him that hopefully has not only ended our on site tug of war but hopefully started a meaningful off-site friendship.
  I am as guilty as most of provoking arguement, it unforunatley is my nature, and I certainly have not meant to offend you or anyone else, sometimes I forget to let others talk............
                                             Bob  :cheers:

Sounds good, we all want to see Les and Marlo achieve success with this!


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: DallasV on August 30, 2012, 12:00:01 PM
I think we should all hold hands now and sing kumbaya.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: SLCMike on August 30, 2012, 12:13:03 PM
DallasV, you just had to go there.  You know what I meant! :-D


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: desotoman on August 30, 2012, 12:23:44 PM
I think we should all hold hands now and sing kumbaya.

Good one Dallas.  :cheers:   Now I need to clean the coffee off the keyboard.

Tom G.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: SLCMike on August 30, 2012, 12:37:53 PM
Hey desotoman, the same goes for you. :-P


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: desotoman on August 30, 2012, 12:43:36 PM
Hey desotoman, the same goes for you. :-P

Just trying to lighten things up with a little laughter. I got what you meant, all is good. :cheers:

Tom G.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: SLCMike on August 30, 2012, 12:53:17 PM
I known desotoman...kumbaya my Lord, kumbaya...everybody now! :-D


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Bob Drury on August 30, 2012, 08:38:00 PM
  Dallas, I don't wish you any ill health, but if you die before me I got "first dibs" on your byline or what ever that line is on the bottom of your post's.
  Every time I read it I crack up as my empty wallet hits the floor........... :cheers: :cheers:


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on August 31, 2012, 10:16:41 AM
We will have a new post today.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: DallasV on August 31, 2012, 10:59:37 AM
  Dallas, I don't wish you any ill health, but if you die before me I got "first dibs" on your byline or what ever that line is on the bottom of your post's.
  Every time I read it I crack up as my empty wallet hits the floor........... :cheers: :cheers:

This speedweek it was parts. We trasfomed some larger parts into multiple small parts. but can now easily check the oil level with my finger.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on August 31, 2012, 11:57:53 AM
Todays url:  http://www.target550.com/gallery/188_car&carrier_back_at_humes/index.html

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on August 31, 2012, 12:10:37 PM
Update 188: http://www.target550.com/gallery/188_car&carrier_back_at_humes/index.html (http://www.target550.com/gallery/188_car&carrier_back_at_humes/index.html)

It's on the server.  It shows the liner returning to the womb, so to speak.  It's back at Hume's shop for more attention.  There are quite a few shots of the car carrier showing that it's probably better suited for carrying the liner on the salt flats than in Hume's driveway.  The little issue with the speed brake has been addressed and there are some photos of the parachute release mechanisms. 

I'm doin a thrash on my race car, so I busted my hump and got the post done quickly so I could get back to work.

Here are a couple of extra images that were done while the liner was at Speed Week to go along with the post.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Tman on August 31, 2012, 12:56:01 PM
Very cool. I like the air brake design...........still working on mine, got Plans A&B so far.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: desotoman on August 31, 2012, 01:56:24 PM
About 4 weeks until Mojave Mile, I am keeping my fingers crossed, but I understand if the car is not ready.

Ray and Glenn, thanks for the update.

Glenn, I hope you are feeling better.


Tom G.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Jack Gifford on August 31, 2012, 11:59:23 PM
... Is Marlo a member of these forums?...
Anybody?


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Bob Drury on September 01, 2012, 02:40:41 PM
  Jack, first of all if that Lakester is your's it is one beutiful racer.
  Secondly and speaking only as a aquantance of Marlo, I don't believe he is.
  He is still in the business of Aircraft parts, Comercial rental properties, Grandkid's, driving back and forth to Jim Humes shop (about five hours each way) sometimes twice a week, and isn't into arguing with people like me.........
  With folks like Glenn Freudenberger and Ray the Rat keeping you up to date on current progress and changes, and "gossip" corresponents like me giving you semi-accurate information, I guess thats as good as it get's...............  Bob (who ain't dumb, just pretty darn stupid at times).


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Tman on September 01, 2012, 04:29:40 PM
Bob, must have been the moon.............your sense of humor is back!


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on September 01, 2012, 04:30:29 PM
To the best of my knowledge, Marlo isn't on here.  Not positive, but fairly sure.  A search for first or last name comes up with a goose egg.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Plmkrze on September 01, 2012, 09:30:44 PM
When do I get to see pics of left handed spanners make for removing 16.52878 mm AN fittings for the driver flatulence gauge?  :x :x :x

Enough is enough.

This is a build thread for this car!!


I am REALLY interested in the logistics of getting this thing to and from the "race" track. Be it the dirt or the salt. This car has many one off pieces. Have you built spare parts along the way "just in case" this bell crank fails, or this rod fails after many cycles of use?  :?

What have you set as the max allowable missing fastener rule for a particular panel? And if you start popping rivets after runs have you allowed yourself time (parts/personel/tools) to replace these rivets. Or will you pop rivet replacements? Or will you just run it?

Now for the most important q! If you look at many of the aircraft accidents (Challenger to be specific) a corporate mind set of we "have" to do this NOW can take over.

Please, as you go forward, remember, discretion is sometimes the greatest form of valor.   If it doesn't feel right, then Subaru, it's probably not right.

Again, thanks for allowing me a peek up the skirt (so to speak).


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Dean Los Angeles on September 01, 2012, 09:40:35 PM
Fair question. What is the spare parts answer?
I'm pretty sure it far excess the cardboard box I drag with me. :-D :|


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Jack Gifford on September 02, 2012, 12:32:27 AM
Thanks for the answer about Marlo, Bob. I had already looked at the member list and hadn't found anything. Since I don't know Marlo (or his age), I just wanted to ask whether he might be the same "Treit" whose twin-Triumph ran Bonneville (1959 I believe).

The photo of my lakester is from 2008 when Ron Richardson (prior owner) ran BNI.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Dynoroom on September 02, 2012, 12:16:45 PM
Yes the spare parts question will be interesting.......

I was talking with Marlo a few years ago about some of the construction points on the car. One he mentioned was that the car had 3 jack shafts for the driveline, all three were the same so only one spare would be needed or at least the spares would all be the same!
As you can tell lots of thought went into the build.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on September 02, 2012, 03:34:33 PM
Marlo was invited to run his twin Triumph years ago at Speed Week.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Vinsky on September 02, 2012, 10:45:27 PM
Anyone have photos of Marlo's Triumph? Would sure like to see them.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Jack Gifford on September 02, 2012, 11:54:39 PM
From "Cycles That Scream on the Salt" in Jul'60 Hot Rod Magazine. I believe the photo is from '59 BNI.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Vinsky on September 03, 2012, 12:41:46 AM
Thanks Jack. Did Marlow run the bike successfully?


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Bob Drury on September 03, 2012, 10:27:37 AM
  Vinsky, sorry I can't help you on the Triumph question but I do have a short video of Marlo about to make a pass at (I believe) Scapoose Drag Strip with that Thrust Dragster.
  As with most of us Salt Freak's, Marlo's career started with Drag Racing and I believe he ran the twin Triumph at local strip's.
  As far as spare part's, Marlo has a "parts trailer to carry spare parts and support equipment.
  Unless he gets a much larger tow rig, I think that with a 53' steel trailer, the Streamliner, and Car Carrier, Oz's F-350 is probably about maxed out.
  Amongst the spare parts are replaceable carbon fiber wheel fairings (using molds taken from Jim Humes hand crafted Alluminum originals).
  The reason? A flat tire will destroy its fairing but hopefully nothing more........ hmmm, maybe they could add automaticly deploying ski's...............  hmmm......... let's see, their has to be room somewhere's..........  hmmm..........  Nope, it's all pretty much filled.
  After all, it's only forty two feet long..........  Bob  :roll:
  Trent, what humor?  I only state facts from my memory or at least thats what I remember.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: mc1984ss on September 03, 2012, 10:43:15 AM
Update 188: http://www.target550.com/gallery/188_car&carrier_back_at_humes/index.html (http://www.target550.com/gallery/188_car&carrier_back_at_humes/index.html)

It's on the server.  It shows the liner returning to the womb, so to speak.  It's back at Hume's shop for more attention.  There are quite a few shots of the car carrier showing that it's probably better suited for carrying the liner on the salt flats than in Hume's driveway.  The little issue with the speed brake has been addressed and there are some photos of the parachute release mechanisms. 

I'm doin a thrash on my race car, so I busted my hump and got the post done quickly so I could get back to work.

Here are a couple of extra images that were done while the liner was at Speed Week to go along with the post.



Ray, I just wanted to give you a quick thanks for taking the time to do the pics and posts in between trying to get your own car ready. Its very appreciated! Good luck with the Monte Carlo!!!!


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on September 03, 2012, 01:08:32 PM
You're sure welcome, mc.  Now I gotta go back to work.  No rest for the wicked and all that, yanno? 


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on September 05, 2012, 01:20:26 PM
I just received an announcement from the management of the Treit and Davenport streamliner.

For the next nine days Ray Therat and aging old FREUD are on vacation.

There will be no post until September 14th.

Ray will run his car in the World Of Speed and I plan to go to the mountains and do some Spring cleaning

at the new Document Center acreage.

Someone stole the goats and so I will have to mow the yard and get the driveway ready for the first snow.

When we make the next post we will be able to bring everyone up to date regarding testing at Mojave Mile.

"We shall return."

FREUD





Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: manta22 on September 05, 2012, 01:33:42 PM
Freud;

"...get the driveway ready for the first snow."

Snow? What is that?  :-D

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ



Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Captthundarr on September 05, 2012, 02:41:20 PM
Dang goat steal'n varments. Well deserved rest for all.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Dean Los Angeles on September 05, 2012, 04:25:29 PM
Ah hear that white stuuuf falls from the sky!

Truly alien. Last time it snowed in LA (other than the dusting once a decade) was 1949.

You guys enjoy your time off.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Glen on September 05, 2012, 04:43:22 PM
Dean, I have a picture of our back yard in the snow back then. We were living in Lomita at the time.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: rgn on September 05, 2012, 06:19:26 PM
That certainly looks like a nice part of the world...   Have an enjoyable break, and don't go pulling any stitches pushing that mower around...  :cheers:


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Dean Los Angeles on September 09, 2012, 12:23:22 PM
Since there is a break in the action here . . .

Quote
The plan now is to do the first tests at the Mojave Mile the last weekend in September. Marlo bought new 250 MPH tires,

had them mounted and shaved to use when they do the "destructive" type testing on that strip. Any problems will be

addressed over the winter.

The only thing missing from the testing sequence will be the smell of NITRO.

FREUD
The Mojave Mile is September 29-30. Ok, so the stated plan is to drive 2,000 miles to do some low speed testing. Not a bad plan.
See how everything works, or doesn't work, fix it over the winter and then go racing.

Hmmm. What if everything goes smoooooth . . . Maybe on Plan B we could take a little jog on the way home and show up three days later at the world finals?


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on September 09, 2012, 02:27:43 PM
Marlo has several blower cases that have been coated at FinishLine Coating in Milwaukee, Oregon.

The man that services the Whipples is in Fresno ( I think that's correct) So the cases have to be returned to

him to reassemble since he checked the rotors. Marlo and Dick Milne will drive the cases down to him, wait while

he reassembles them and bring the finished product back to Hume's place. The blowers that are presently on the car will

be replaced with the serviced units. The reason they are being replaced is because they do not have the drains plumbed into the cases.

With the blowers on their side, following the dyno runs it was decided to install drains as an insurance policy in case there was

any fuel in the bottom of the case. That eliminates a Fourth of July fireworks display when firing them up. Hume is finishing the door

and releases for the drag chutes. Now that our grand daughter is safely married I can reestablish my travel schedule to Hume's shop.

As far as a detour to the Shootout..............No way.  It's not the distance that is the problem. They will do a fine toothed comb inspection

before ever extending the car to the point of greater speeds.

The floow of the trailer was not designed to support all the weight of the car and the carrier in just four places so the floor was been

removed, new cross members and stringers installed and the floor replaced. It's just about completed.

So......hang in there with us.  Ray is challenging the 130 Club at WoS and he needs some slack before we do a new post but for certain

we will have a post on this coming Friday.

No one stole the goats. They wandered two miles down the road and devoured all the tomatoes in the garden and the ripening apples

on both trees.  ( Goats can climb trees.)  I'm happy they came back but the damages we paid were substantial. Had I known they were

coming back I would have waited for them to return instead of doing the mowing with the push mower.

More to come soon,

FREUD





Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Bob Drury on September 11, 2012, 03:59:52 PM
  ......... for those of you wondering why Glenn suddenly can't type on a keyboard, he recently had the last digit of his middle finger removed.
  While he claims it was a "cancer deal", I happen to know as fact that while he was "flipping off a fellow driver, his elbow was pushing the power window button, resulting in the catasthrophic event which followed.
  Feel no pity, for this was a "pre-ordained" directive from the Heaven's above... and when you next see him picking his nose (buried up to the second digit), know that he is in reality only "buried to the first digit".
  With love and admiration,                 One Run, out.........................


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on September 13, 2012, 12:48:21 PM
Our usual post pattern will be in effect this week. Ray is preparing to return to the salt on Friday

afternoon so he will likely do the post announcement Friday AM.

Thanks for your interest.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Captthundarr on September 13, 2012, 02:44:42 PM
Our usual post pattern will be in effect this week. Ray is preparing to return to the salt on Friday

afternoon so he will likely do the post announcement Friday AM.

Thanks for your interest.

FREUD

Lets see who's been paying attention. who can identify what area of the liner the photo depicts??


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: jdincau on September 13, 2012, 02:50:23 PM
cockpit steering area


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Dean Los Angeles on September 13, 2012, 03:14:20 PM
The steering shaft runs right-to-left to the black steering box.
The output arm on the steering box is attached to the hydraulic cylinder at the bottom of the photo.
The cylinder ports run through the manifold on the bottom left. The polished fittings turn 90 degrees. The hoses are attached to the fittings.
The bottom of the air pressure gauges are visible. Two of the three fire bottle cables are visible.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Tman on September 13, 2012, 03:28:24 PM
Tough crowd! :cheers:


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Captthundarr on September 13, 2012, 08:50:32 PM
Super tough :cheers: :cheers:


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on September 13, 2012, 09:00:29 PM
Great job, Dean.

I owe you a beer.

Someone has been paying attention to earlier chapters.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on September 13, 2012, 10:50:51 PM
If you get the notices of a new post for Target550.com from Landracing.com you are about 10 hours ahead of

everyone else. I have a lot to do in the morning and so I am announcing Post 189 right now.

But once again Ray Therat has the hammer. He is the one that puts it on the web and I think it

will be Friday AM for that to happen.

Anyhow here is the link: http://www.target550.com/gallery/189_getting_ready_for_testing/index.html

9:09 PM Thursday. Ray has already posted the images. Jump on 'em.

Next weeks post will be done from images that I have shot in the past and didn't use.

I plan to describe the instrument panel the way it was when I shot the fotos.

Todays post will show a major difference from the way the panel was designed.

Have fun.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Captthundarr on September 14, 2012, 08:42:40 AM
Thanks for the post. I was starting to go through withdraws. gitting all shaky and such.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on September 14, 2012, 09:11:34 AM
Hmmm....caught me off guard.  I hadn't posted the remaining files...I spent most of the day yesterday gettin my Burb cleaned and ready to get salty again when I go back for the Shootout.

But everything's there now.  Here's an excellent photo of the internals of the liner....sorta like a vehicular colonoscopy...well, maybe not exactly, but it's what I thought of when I saw the photo.   :-D

(http://www.target550.com/gallery/189_getting_ready_for_testing/189_033.jpg)

And one more that I like just for the lines, shapes and color.  Maybe I otta pretend I'm an abstract artist rather than a photographer.  Hmmmm....

(http://www.target550.com/gallery/189_getting_ready_for_testing/189_034.jpg)

Check out the reflection in the tank (not an M1A1) on the right side.  Pretty kool.

Ok.  I got a buncha stuff to do before I leave.  I gotta get with it.

(Yes, I'm a little goofier than usual.  I'm totally burned out.)


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Dean Los Angeles on September 14, 2012, 10:03:39 AM
Did you have inspectors look at the vehicle at Bonneville? Is any of the work a result of that?

Reference pic 189-016 where the slot in the belly pan is being machined.
The ummmm . . . hacks among us would have drilled a hole in the pan and then tilted the jig saw and then filed like mad to clean it up.
It's on the bottom - no one will see it - right?

Analysis of the photo shows that the clamps - that's the things with the big nuts - have a piece of aluminum underneath to not mar the surface.
Notice the location of the left clamp. Right where the machining is taking place. On a thin panel the cutting tool wants to shove the material around. The closer the clamp the less of a problem. It's also under the no hurry - no worry rule.

The blue under the cutter is Dykem Steel Blue. You can't see scribe marks on metal unless you put Dykem on first.
The brass shaft above the cutter is an air-coolant mist. Cutting aluminum is kinda like machining bubble gum. It sticks to the cutter unless you have coolant.

Slightly off subject:
The number designation for aluminum alloys indicates the alloying elements that give the aluminum certain properties.
6061 you see frequently. 6061 can be machined easily and can be hardened. It has silicon, iron, copper, magnesium, manganese, chrome, zinc and titanium in minute quantities to obtain those properties.

Speaking of machining bubble gum you haven't lived until you have machined 1000 aluminum. Not 1050 or 1100, but chemically pure aluminum. It was used as a target in vapor deposition. I think machining bubble gum may have been easier.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: jdincau on September 14, 2012, 02:18:49 PM
Speaking of machining bubble gum you haven't lived until you have machined 1000 aluminum. Not 1050 or 1100, but chemically pure aluminum. It was used as a target in vapor deposition. I think machining bubble gum may have been easier.
How about "Hastelloy" we called it stainless steel lead (combined the worst machining characteristics of both)


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Glen on September 14, 2012, 02:26:22 PM
Yeah, it's right up there with mallory copper-is  a bitch to machine but great for snagging the part and tossing it across the shop


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Dean Los Angeles on September 14, 2012, 04:23:12 PM
Oh yeah. 1000 is the bitch on the soft end.

On the hard end Hastelloy, Inconel, Waspalloy, titanium, beryllium . . . blech!


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Peter Jack on September 14, 2012, 05:05:18 PM
And I can assure you it welds just as ugly as it machines.

Pete


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Bob Drury on September 14, 2012, 06:04:28 PM
  ... and that's why Red Green and I both depend on Duct Tape (357 only) for all of our major fixes and re-design's.................  if you can't grind it and a farmer can't weld it, you don't want it...................    Bob


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on September 14, 2012, 06:55:36 PM
Fellows...........I am honored that you have inserted these "facts of machining" in this diary.

Your contributions give this diary some character and present an era that is totally foreign

to the people that have grown up with CNC, digital measurements and someone providing the proper

material for the "modern machinist" to make a show piece. Men who did not serve an apprenticeship

under a "hard boiled" old master machinist have no idea what the roots of their profession contain.

Overhead shafts, belts that clicked everytime they went over a flat surfaced pulley, the same shaft

system driving the drill press, the shaper, the lathe and if they were lucky a milling machine. Oh yes,

I forgot the forge that heated  tool steel so they could form a tool bit from Rex AAA.  

(Was that the most common tool bit material?) Then when carbide bits cost $50 each, everyone had to

smuggle a few home for his own shop. What memories !! They bring me to tears.

I don't ever see anyone with a boring bar turned upside down cutting a thread on the inside

of a piece of tubing with the chuck rotating in the direction opposite from normal.

Goats milk for the lubricant and white lead on the center of the tail stock.

I guess they don't have to do things like that now days.

Any mistakes in this piece shall go uncorrected. Our machinists for 1930 to 1946 had one duty and that was to

get things done anyway possible to support our troops whose ships and airplanes gave them an advantage that

helped end WW II. They made mistakes but they made them work someway. Function overpowered beauty.

I am honored to be surrounded by this audience and am willing to be corrected anytime by anyone..

FREUD

I'll check on the hinge on the chute tube and report back on it.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Dean Los Angeles on September 14, 2012, 07:26:03 PM
I'm pretty sure I found pictures of Freud's machine shop.

(http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/lineshaft/ls12.jpg)(http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/lineshaft/ls13.jpg)
(http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/lineshaft/ls02.jpg)

Ok, so it might be the 1910 machine shop from the Mt Wilson observatory. Still functional. In case you are not familiar with the workings, and VERY pre-OSHA the belts drive from the shaft in the ceiling and you hooked the belts on and off the pulleys for the on/off switch. The belts never stopped. 125DC motor. You oughta see the generator! Also still working.

(http://oldengine.org/members/levans/mtwilsonfm/fmre03.jpg)


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on September 14, 2012, 07:34:25 PM
It's way to modern.

We had incandescent bulbs not fluorescent tubes.

There was a soothing cadence to those belts as they went clickety clickety all day long.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: jdincau on September 14, 2012, 08:11:41 PM
I dont go back that far Doc. but I did learn to run both a shaper and a planer in my 4 years as an apprentice tool and die maker.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on September 14, 2012, 08:26:01 PM
My introduction to a machine shop started when I was 6 years old. I could do anything that was possible

when I supplied the power by pulling on the belt that drove the lathe. After I graduated a little I learned

to cut threads. My Dad was very patient and quite proud of my progress. When he bought a 150 AMP

Lincoln welder I wore a helmet, sat between his legs and watched how to strike an arc and it progressed

to my first bead with his hands guiding my hands. I couldn't bail when the pis_ers bounced off my bare arms.

Fleetweld 5 and Fleetweld 7 made by Lincoln as I remember.. One straight polarity and the other reverse polarity.

That's possible with a DC machine. No buzz boxes in our shop.

Seems like yesterday.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: 4-barrel Mike on September 14, 2012, 08:39:27 PM
Interesting.  The last one I was around was much more modern (and smaller).  All the power ran thru a Ford Model A transmission which gave the operator 3 speeds and neutral.

Mike


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on September 14, 2012, 10:50:08 PM
That's amazing. A variable speed system for the entire shop is pretty hi tech.

Generally the machine had a set of stages on the drive and that was how

the speeds were varied like the foto that Dean posted.

Thanks for your contribution.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Tman on September 15, 2012, 09:33:21 AM
Interesting.  The last one I was around was much more modern (and smaller).  All the power ran thru a Ford Model A transmission which gave the operator 3 speeds and neutral.

Mike

I have the parts to do mine. Model A tranny, belt driven drill press, looking for a lathe to hook to the whole operation!


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Peter Jack on September 15, 2012, 09:45:12 AM
Trent, it's not complete till you add a shaper. They're a very useful tool, fun to watch and almost hypnotic.  :-D :-D :-D

Pete


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on September 15, 2012, 10:56:51 AM
Remember the clapper box? I think that was the name of the tool carrier.

Our shaper wasn't big but it did a lot of work.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Peter Jack on September 15, 2012, 12:17:20 PM
Nothing wrong with your memory Freud. The shaper was always in operation 'cause it was kind of like me, slow and steady, plus it could be left to work on its own for rather long periods of time. I've always kind of wanted one for my shop but haven't come across the right deal.

Pete


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on September 15, 2012, 12:22:14 PM
Look out in Les' scrap pile.  He may have one.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: rgn on September 15, 2012, 05:58:35 PM
Ummm... I'm a little embarrassed to admit... but I'm still using a Van Norman #1 Mill from the 1930's.  It has been converted to electricity... I'm quite fond of the old girl.   :cheers:

(http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x347/pandoras_bits/th_459c1a61.jpg) (http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x347/pandoras_bits/459c1a61.jpg)

(http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x347/pandoras_bits/th_f052d0eb.jpg) (http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x347/pandoras_bits/f052d0eb.jpg)


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Peter Jack on September 15, 2012, 06:21:03 PM
There's something warm and fuzzy about machinery like that. Fun!!!  :-D :-D :-D

Pete


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on September 15, 2012, 07:12:36 PM
We had a Van Norman 777S boring bar. S stood for "sucker." It had a hollow quill and a

vacuum attachment that sucked the cast iron away from the tool bit. No mess when you

were boring a hole. As I recall it would bore from 2.60" up. That was so you could handle

a V-8 60. There was a micrometer tool that let you adjust the tool bit. Top of the line

for that time. Maybe circa 1946 to '48. The tool was sharpened on a wheel on the top of

the motor and a post that the tool carrier pivoted on to sharpen the bit. I think it was a

carbide bit and I know it had it's own lube to extend the life of the sharpening disc.

I wonder what my Mother did with it when my Dad died?

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: wheelrdealer on September 15, 2012, 09:29:11 PM
Freud:

What I liked about those old machines is...it seemed like the guy that designed it actually understood the daily use of the machine. They seem to design in some of the little things that eat time when you were trying to make a buck by reducing your actual labor versus billed labor. I guess CNC with tool changers are the ultimate upgrage because they did away with most of the human eliment. I am not smart enough to code CNC. I still crank handles and check with michcrometers and calipers. I am good as long as it is not too precision!

Bill


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on September 16, 2012, 10:32:52 AM
Ingenuity was needed with those old machines.

I have not run any of the new electronic marvels but it seems to me

that the ingenuity today is in the programing.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Dean Los Angeles on September 16, 2012, 11:41:58 AM
The shaper was invented in 1836. Water or hand powered for 50 years until electricity came around.
The best way to whittle that chunk of metal down to workable size. Handy for keyways, etc.

Today with carbide cutters you machine the excess.
How far has CNC taken us?

I have watched the genius of metal forming on the Target 550 car. Many thousands of hours.
The alternative is to spend a similar amount of time making a model, making a mold, and then body parts.

Or you can do what Ron Main did. Design the body on a CAD system. Turn that into a CNC program and machine the mold. Then take it to Burt Rutan's Scaled Composites and have a body made.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on September 16, 2012, 11:47:42 AM
The only thing that matters is that you end up with the desired piece.

It's probably not important how it's accomplished.

Just look at women and bust sizes.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Bob Drury on September 16, 2012, 01:03:17 PM
  Hey Glen, don't be "highjacking" this thread"!!!!                             
                                       Bob  :roll: :roll: :-D


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: JGMagoo on September 16, 2012, 03:57:14 PM
Freud,
There's GOT to be a 'video mode' on that fancy D-700 camera of yours...with sound.

When the liner is first fired-up....PLEASE use it and post it!   

;o)

Thanks.

JG


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on September 16, 2012, 08:20:03 PM
JG..........mine is a D700 and it takes a D800 to do video.

My Panasonic "Spy Camera" can do video and it's quite good.

The biggest problem is that we are now in Palm Springs.

My telefoto on the Spy Camera won't reach to Bendover.

I'd do it were I there.

Thanks for the request.

I just reread your post. I assure you that if I am with the car the first

time it fires I'll have a video that will give the sights and sounds of

those engines running. I wish I could also provide the smells. These

are alcohol engines but maybe I can slip in 1% nitro or some degummed

Castor oil just for an olfactory experience.

I'll even use a video camera. A still camera would not do the experience justice.

The next time I go to Humes I'll see if the canopy lift cylinder has been tuned

and adjusted. Now that is a beautiful video. I have it before the windshield

was installed but I'll do it again when the "tune up" on that part is accomplished.

It is best described as a religious experience. I hope there are people that will allow

me to offer them an opportunity to experience and join the Church of the Canopy Erection.

Thanks for the suggestion.

FREUD



Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: wheelrdealer on September 17, 2012, 08:46:54 PM
Rev. Freud:

Amen.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on September 20, 2012, 10:59:12 PM
Check the description of the instrument panel tomorrow.

Get a close up of the bling.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on September 21, 2012, 10:31:48 AM
I have to shut down now and have not listed the url for todays post.

Just go to www.target550.com and follow the link.

Ray's posting on Facebook will have the url.

ENJOY.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on September 21, 2012, 11:03:08 AM
Here's the url for today's post:
http://www.target550.com/gallery/190_instrument_panel_bling/index.html (http://www.target550.com/gallery/190_instrument_panel_bling/index.html)

And here are a coupla extra images for your viewing pleasure:

(http://www.target550.com/gallery/190_instrument_panel_bling/190_025.jpg)

(http://www.target550.com/gallery/190_instrument_panel_bling/190_026.jpg)



Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Dean Los Angeles on September 21, 2012, 11:17:21 AM
Is there an interlock to prevent the canopy from opening at speed?
I picture reaching for the chutes or fire bottles in an emergency and opening the canopy.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on September 21, 2012, 11:42:04 AM
Is there an interlock to prevent the canopy from opening at speed?
I picture reaching for the chutes or fire bottles in an emergency and opening the canopy.

That's a good question.  I'll have to wait until Freud gets back home (he otta be on his flight by now) to ask him.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Glen on September 21, 2012, 01:14:14 PM
I think the canopy has a manual release only at the rear of it. It has to be able to be opened outside by the emergency crews. The air cylinders are for lift assist and to keep it open.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on September 21, 2012, 09:27:32 PM
Just above the drivers head is a short lever that pulls the pin out of the hole in the roll bar.

It can be opened from inside or outside. The duct that lets some air into the cockpit has

the outside release at the top of it.

I'll look for a foto and put it in here but it will be a day or two before I do that. I've been

gone for a week and there are a few things that need attention besides this build diary.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: superleggera on September 22, 2012, 01:09:45 AM
Freud -- here is what you are looking for.  It's just aft of the NACA duct in the canopy overhead.  You can see the inside handle -- as well as outside handle flush with bodywork.

(http://www.teamhyperliner.com/etc/hatchrelease.jpg)


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on September 22, 2012, 11:28:00 AM
THANKS, Super.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Tman on September 22, 2012, 12:09:10 PM
I know you guys have a shot of teh top of the canopy and the NACA duct, anyone have it handy to post?


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on September 22, 2012, 01:54:08 PM
Treit and Davenport will NOT be attending the Mojave Mile.

We appreciate the interest that many of you have shown but

some of the things that were learned on the trip to Bonneville

are being attended to. The trailer that we thought was bullet proof

needed some attention. As that is being fixed the car remains at

Humes and he is still putting his touch on some unfinished items.

As soon as any information is available about testing it will be

announced so any of you that are interested can make plans to

share the tests.

Wish I could have announced this sooner as a better help for your planning.

As soon as any new info is available it will be posted here, on Facebook and

probably on chevyasylum.com.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: WOODY@DDLLC on September 22, 2012, 04:48:37 PM
I know you guys have a shot of teh top of the canopy and the NACA duct, anyone have it handy to post?

Tman, here's a shot from Speed Week.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on September 22, 2012, 05:13:12 PM
Thanks Woody.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Dean Los Angeles on September 22, 2012, 08:17:12 PM
Ok, if the canopy switch was accidentally flipped would it make it harder to open the latch?


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Tman on September 22, 2012, 10:10:16 PM
I know you guys have a shot of teh top of the canopy and the NACA duct, anyone have it handy to post?

Tman, here's a shot from Speed Week.

Thanks woody!


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Dynoroom on September 23, 2012, 12:34:20 AM
Ok, if the canopy switch was accidentally flipped would it make it harder to open the latch?

Only if the car was on it's lid...........  :-D


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on September 23, 2012, 11:06:03 AM
Ok, if the canopy switch was accidentally flipped would it make it harder to open the latch?

Only if the car was on it's lid...........  :-D

This would not be something you could call "good."  We'll go to great lengths to avoid it.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: robfrey on September 23, 2012, 03:48:09 PM
Has the car been on the scales lately? Now that it is so close, it will be interesting to see the running weight and how it is proportioned.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on September 23, 2012, 05:30:55 PM
It weighs 7200# with no liquids.

Probably about 8000# with driver and the liquids.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on September 24, 2012, 05:39:51 PM
Marlo wants to make certain that some people that have helped his racing career along are remembered.

As it happens all of them so far are deceased.

We just recognized a friend that was very helpful to him.

His name is Mick Gray.

Here is the url for the post that is in the News section of www.target550.com

http://www.target550.com/unsungheroes.html#mickgray

We hope you enjoy it.

FREUD



Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: TwinSpin on September 24, 2012, 07:09:20 PM
Freud - -

I admire Marlo for recognizing those standouts who helped his racing career along the way. After reading about these craftsmans/friends, I tried to put myself in their shoes, wanting to have done what they did. My career, after some drag racing back in the 1960's, went into full-time teaching and up into a vocational school administration life. Now retired and no racing for 50 years it is difficult to catch up on the technology, yet the desire to race is at its strongest. I view my future racing at Bonneville as someone who is trying to get into the 50th class reunion, when you never did graduate in the first place. Who said life was going to be easy.

Thanks to you and Ray for documentating a standard of workmanship to encourage me as I design and build my first entry level vehicle for the salt. I am now making contacts with some interesting racers I have met who are helping me and who fit similar molds that Marlo spoke about in his friends. Thanks to Marlo for setting a standard for product output and for remembering those friends that walked with him. Such a lifestyle is a rare one to be associated with.

Thanks again for allowing me to watch, see and touch as the racing life style processes along.

And you know, these are the lessons of life and friendships that I am teaching my young daughter about.

Bill



Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on September 24, 2012, 09:46:32 PM
Just a slight correction.  The url Freud posted is correct.  But I added a separate section in the Menu bar for Unsung Heroes; it's not in the News section.

Bill, I showed my sister and cousin (whom I haven't seen in decades and she visited me on Saturday) the photos I shot of Rizzy giving Mitch a coin just before the "rains came down" at SW 2011.  They were both teary-eyed with emotion.  Keep up the good work, bro.



Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on September 24, 2012, 11:47:16 PM
As I've said many times: Ray is my guide and mentor.

Our viewing fans have a much smoother path to travel with him clearing the way.

As long as we get everyone to our most recent post I am overjoyed. Ray makes it easier for all of us.

Bill after the long delay in returning to a life that includes racing do not be afraid to ask anyone of the people

involved with Marlo's car for ideas and help. Now it's our time to do things for others that his heros have done for him.

All I can say is to me you are a visible hero for the way you are raising Rizzy.

FREUD



Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: TwinSpin on September 25, 2012, 05:36:19 PM
Freud and Ray - -

Your kind words made my day. It sure is nice to know how easy it is to access racing greats and not those just associated with the Target 550 build. I have already asked many people many technical questions. I had heard years earlier that there is a big racing family of friends out on that Bonneville flats thing, I'm finding it to be true.

My racing dream day will come when I roll my wheels on the salt flats in 2013 after waiting 50 years to get there. The more Rizzy and I talk about the salt flats, the more she wants to race too. She wants me to build two bikes, first an 80cc sit on and second, a liner. A Dad's dream come true.

It's not too soon to say, see you at the NW Reunion 2013.

Bill


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on September 28, 2012, 09:41:22 AM
The post will either be late Friday or Saturday morning after Ray is mobile.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: dw230 on September 28, 2012, 10:26:31 AM
Any news about the car running at Mojave this weekend? Or, did i miss an announcement in an earlier post?

DW


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Tman on September 28, 2012, 10:43:46 AM
Any news about the car running at Mojave this weekend? Or, did i miss an announcement in an earlier post?

DW

Yes, you missed it. Not running.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on September 29, 2012, 08:44:10 PM
I've had a busy day, but I finally got the new post onto the server:
http://www.target550.com/gallery/191_front_firewall_throttle_fuel_cables/index.html (http://www.target550.com/gallery/191_front_firewall_throttle_fuel_cables/index.html)

And, as usual, Freud has provided us with a couple of extra images:

For those people like me, who tend to run into things like sharp corners:

(http://www.target550.com/gallery/191_front_firewall_throttle_fuel_cables/191_025.jpg)

The thoughtful team at the shop provided nice, soft corners so that idiots like me won't get nasty gashes in their heads:

(http://www.target550.com/gallery/191_front_firewall_throttle_fuel_cables/191_026.jpg)

Enjoy,



Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Woodstock on September 29, 2012, 09:16:38 PM
Ray, you now just have 2 shots at it :-D...thanks for the pictures :cheers:


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Dean Los Angeles on September 29, 2012, 11:11:46 PM
Hell, I never need obvious sharp corners to end up with a bleeding head. I'd manage to still bleed after hitting the corner bumper!

I would worry about salt and stuff getting into the fuel/throttle slide plates. I would put a rubber boot over the hole thing.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on September 29, 2012, 11:56:12 PM
Thanks Dean. You are hired.

Wait 'till next week and the drive will be 265 miles less.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Schruiber on September 30, 2012, 01:05:12 PM
Found this photo while sorting out my "LSR files" to get organized for a ???_________??? - build !  It must be around 2002 or so, when our wood turners group  visited Jim the wood turner and 550 master builder.  Little did I know then that salt fever will stick with you longer than wood shavings :)


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: mc1984ss on October 01, 2012, 09:46:10 PM
In the two pictures above ( not the group photo) I love that you can see the flush mount rivets filed smooth. Does anyone have a clue as to how many rivets there are in this car?


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on October 01, 2012, 11:36:01 PM
I don't even want to count the number that are still needed to finish the tail.

The closer that you get to the very end of the tail the less room there is inside to buck them.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: racer on October 02, 2012, 12:06:57 AM
Rizzy and her Father are the salt of the earth.

Made my day 2 years in a row.

Ray C Wheeler

Just a slight correction.  The url Freud posted is correct.  But I added a separate section in the Menu bar for Unsung Heroes; it's not in the News section.

Bill, I showed my sister and cousin (whom I haven't seen in decades and she visited me on Saturday) the photos I shot of Rizzy giving Mitch a coin just before the "rains came down" at SW 2011.  They were both teary-eyed with emotion.  Keep up the good work, bro.




Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on October 05, 2012, 02:23:09 PM
It's a good chance that there won't be a post until Saturday.

Ray is on the salt and is rather busy there.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on October 06, 2012, 10:14:05 PM
Is it better late than never?

We posted today.

Here is the url:    http://www.target550.com/gallery/192_front_wheel_fairings_&_attachments/index.html

There is very little that is new at this stage.

Hang in there with us. We'll get something of interest.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Schruiber on October 06, 2012, 10:17:35 PM
little things make BIG things......as always I enjoy seeing the little details in the BIG picture of attempting 550 MPH.

Michael


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: wheelrdealer on October 07, 2012, 08:07:46 AM
Freud and Ray:

Thank you. The devil is in the details. Sometimes it takes longer to do the little things.

Bill


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on October 07, 2012, 11:09:17 PM
I am convinced that wheelerdealer has done some building. He does understand.

You don't learn those things by reading about it.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: wheelrdealer on October 08, 2012, 06:09:10 AM
Freud,
Thank you for the complement. Yes I have done my share of fab work, but mostly airboats, swamp buggies and farm equipment. All of which have a very low precission standard. Back then I had the basic instruments. A large vice, cutting torch, buzz box stick welder, a 7" grinder, a drill and a large hammer. Throw in some brown shopping bags and scissors for the precission templates.
Although I did not have the skills or patience to duplicate, always had an eye for precission fabrication.
Thanks for sharing the Target 550 build with us.
Bill


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on October 12, 2012, 03:25:26 PM
A huge amount of time was spent on the wheel fairings. When they were all done:  nothing to it.

They look so smooth and "fit just right." I didn't spend any more time on how Jason built them.

I'll just show you how slick they are.

http://www.target550.com/gallery/193_canopy_latch_wheel_fairings/index.html

Have a look.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: maguromic on October 12, 2012, 03:32:15 PM
Not only are they slick like the rest of the car, its like butter.  :cheers: Tony


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Tman on October 12, 2012, 04:31:52 PM
Thanks for the latch/duct shots! :cheers:


Ask Jason if he intends on keeping his yellow bracelet :-o :evil: :-D


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: smitty2 on October 12, 2012, 05:24:53 PM
Wow... that NACA Duct is incredible ( As is the whole car.)! I'm tempted to try my hand with Aluminum, but can't really justify bunging up a perfectly good piece of metal just for practice. One of these days I'll transform all these empty "Steel Reserve" cans into something. That is as soon as the headach wears off.   :-D

Smitty     :cheers:


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on October 12, 2012, 09:26:47 PM
Welcome Smitty. I'm happy to see your post.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on October 12, 2012, 10:20:00 PM
When I did the most recent post on Target550.com I failed to attach these 4 images.

They relate to the NACA duct and the outside cockpit release.

Sorry about that.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: WOODY@DDLLC on October 13, 2012, 08:49:18 AM
In the two pictures above ( not the group photo) I love that you can see the flush mount rivets filed smooth. Does anyone have a clue as to how many rivets there are in this car?

All we know is the worldwide Cleco shortage is finally over!  :-D

Maybe that's the real reason Boeing switched to carbon fiber?  :?


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Dean Los Angeles on October 13, 2012, 10:53:32 AM
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Wow... that NACA Duct is incredible ( As is the whole car.)! I'm tempted to try my hand with Aluminum, but can't really justify bunging up a perfectly good piece of metal just for practice. One of these days I'll transform all these empty "Steel Reserve" cans into something. That is as soon as the headach wears off.

Funny thing is, NACA ducts are not that hard to fabricate. The basic dimensions you can get off the internet. The side wall profile can be printed on paper and traced. Both the width profile and depth profile. Time consuming, sure. Difficult, not so much. If you don't "bung up a perfectly good piece of metal" how do you learn?

I Googled "NACA duct dimensions" and this was the second listing. "sports.racer.net/tech_info/aero/naca_profile_calculator.xls" http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CC0QFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fsports.racer.net%2Ftech_info%2Faero%2Fnaca_profile_calculator.xls&ei=7Ix5UOX0DoLo8gS64oDADQ&usg=AFQjCNFCGdHxIalWz9va7M0nPporr8Keng&sig2=qv2UM54njc2wra63c_JwxQ&cad=rjt (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CC0QFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fsports.racer.net%2Ftech_info%2Faero%2Fnaca_profile_calculator.xls&ei=7Ix5UOX0DoLo8gS64oDADQ&usg=AFQjCNFCGdHxIalWz9va7M0nPporr8Keng&sig2=qv2UM54njc2wra63c_JwxQ&cad=rjt)


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on October 13, 2012, 10:57:46 AM
Dean the three ducts on the car were designed from info taken from a source on the Internet.

Thanks for your answers.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Tman on October 13, 2012, 11:06:59 AM
Dean, thats an awesome calculator! If you look in my build diary I made two of them...........w/o that cool spreadsheet :-( I simply took a scale drawing out of one of my books (Engineering to win and off the internet) and enlarged/reduced it on the copier!


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: desotoman on October 13, 2012, 02:48:24 PM

Is it better late than never?

FREUD

Yes.

Thank You.

Tom G.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on October 21, 2012, 10:21:21 PM
I regret to inform all of you that we will not have a posting schedule that will be as frequent

as we have had for the past few years. Hume has some vacation time and Marlo has some

work that he will be doing on the car in Oregon. As things are now Ray and I intend to try to

have a post twice per month. The small things that must be done to have the car ready to test

in the Spring of 2013 are being tackled.  The blowers will be replaced, the data pack must be wired

and a crew trained for that testing. All of the training will be directed to meeting the one hour

turn around time.  My next post will relate to the blowers. They have been disassembled, coated

and reassembled after a modification to be able to drain any pooled fuel in the case before starting.

So be patient. We will provide as much information as is sensibly possible considering that when the

car is in Oregon it is 5 times farther away that it was at Hume's.

Have a look at Ray Therat, Jason Hosking and Rex Schimmer.  Also Jason and Jim Hume.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: desotoman on October 21, 2012, 11:02:35 PM


I spent the weekend tuning a N/A gas engine on EFI with Gene Adams and Ron Pratt.  Told them about your comment.  They got a chuckle out of this. 

Even the best get beat sometimes


Scott,

You must be talking about the engine masters motor. I had a talk since then with Gary Adams and he happened to agree with me that Les is one of the best tuners of supercharged Alcohol motors out there, and we both agreed that Gene is one of the best for injected nitro.

Did you watch the A/F final from the Hot Rod Reunion this evening? It was Les Davenport and Kin Bates in the final, great race and Les took the win light covering about 1350 feet of race track.

My point? These two great tuners show just how good they are with their respective fuels, running in the same class. Both are impressive IMO.

Tom G. 


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Tman on October 22, 2012, 04:33:07 PM
That was an awesome race. Send my regards to Les! :cheers:


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on October 22, 2012, 11:44:22 PM
Les will be at Marlo's in a few days and I'll make certain that he gets the message.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on October 26, 2012, 10:22:59 PM
There will be a post Saturday, 27th of October.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on October 27, 2012, 11:39:00 AM
I finally sent the post to Ray in the middle of the night.

It's a group of fotos from the past.

Here is the url:   http://www.target550.com/gallery/194_look_back_over_2012_01/index.html

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: wheelrdealer on October 27, 2012, 09:04:04 PM
Freud:

Well worth the wait. I hope to get to the level of sophistication that I too have a sheet of Mother or Pearl at my shop to make knob centers. For now, some Eastwood jewelers rouge and a buffing wheel is about as pretty as we get around my place.  :-D
 
Thanks for the post.

Bill


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on November 10, 2012, 11:45:15 AM
Making a post is like writing a term paper the day before it's due.

I'll put one together today. 

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on November 10, 2012, 12:18:27 PM
Making a post is like writing a term paper the day before it's due.

I'll put one together today. 

FREUD

You're an honorable man, Glenn, and your documentation of this project is beyond reproach.

Take your time - it's always been worth the wait.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on November 11, 2012, 11:41:36 AM
I'm still working on it.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on November 11, 2012, 08:05:45 PM
I finally finished the largest post that we have ever done.

It relates to the wheel fairings.

Since there was frequently time that that went slow I just saved

the images and have now posted them. The  change in ground

clearance really caused a lot to be done differently than was first

figured.

But.......they are now done. So are the composite pieces. The fairings

won't even be used during the testing so we can keep them for Show and Tell.

Just know that several very talented men spent a lot of time to achieve the

finished product.

Here is the url:   http://www.target550.com/gallery/195_rear_wheel_fairings/index.html

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on December 01, 2012, 10:03:11 PM
Mom Bear just returned from her trip to the 7-11 and she awaken me

when she pulled the snow block back in the opening of the cave.

I'll get to work on a post for the car in a few minutes.

We will have a post before Sunday night.

Gotta find the matches to light the whale oil lamp.


FREUD the hibernating cub.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: wobblywalrus on December 01, 2012, 10:34:24 PM
Wow, Freud.  You guys are going to be afraid to race it and crash after all the work you have done.  That car is art.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on December 02, 2012, 01:24:42 AM
It's not that long until it's a runner.

Testing is scheduled for early 2013.

I'll let everyone know.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on December 02, 2012, 01:27:37 PM
As long as there is a post.....it's not late.

Have a look at this.

http://www.target550.com/gallery/196_tail_rivets_splitter/index.html

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: sabat on December 02, 2012, 09:38:29 PM
Thank you sir.  :cheers:


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on December 11, 2012, 03:03:12 AM
Another post either Tue or Wed.

Both engines have been fired IN THE CAR.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Peter Jack on December 11, 2012, 05:18:31 AM
That made us sit up!!!  :-D :-D :cheers: :cheers:

Pete


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on December 11, 2012, 11:50:00 AM
I'm in Everett, WA and the car is in Aurora, Or. That means that I missed the

first 'fire up". I really wanted video of that. I am going back there this weekend.

Maybe I can get a repeat performance while I am there.

I'll try.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: smitty2 on December 11, 2012, 01:18:34 PM
I can't wait for this piece of art to run. Let us know the "When and Wheres" if possible. I want to be there.
 Freud you've done an excellent job of documenting this build! Thank you.

 Smitty     :cheers:


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on December 11, 2012, 02:06:16 PM
I'm in Everett, WA and the car is in Aurora, Or. That means that I missed the

first 'fire up". I really wanted video of that. I am going back there this weekend.

Maybe I can get a repeat performance while I am there.

I'll try.

FREUD

Hmmm.  I'm tempted to make the trip to Aurora myself if the "repeat performance" could be arranged.  What the hell?  It's only 800 miles one way.   :-D  Now if I had a 450+ hp Camaro, I might be able to get there in under the 11 hours that Google maps suggests.   :-o


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on December 11, 2012, 03:06:56 PM
I've gotta thread/jack for just a minute.  Ray, you mention that Google Maps says it's 11 hours for the trip.  I use MapQuest, not GM.  but -- is there a way on either of those - or any other mapping/route planning site that allows the user to enter realistic estimates of what speed he'll go?  I know how fast I average on a trip - and I'd prefer to use my speed, not an assumption by whomever writes the program, to find out how long it'll take.  other variables would be nice to be user-programmed, too.  Thanks -- back to the 'liner.  PM or maybe, if you've got good information, we'll start a new thread.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on December 11, 2012, 03:34:43 PM
Quick answer: not that I know of.  Maybe someone else with more experience in that area can help out with the question, but I've never seen anything that allows detailed variables to be entered.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on December 11, 2012, 03:38:12 PM
Microsoft's Streets and Trips allows for changes in gas mileage.

I don't know if they also have a variable speed.

Might give it a check.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Stan Back on December 11, 2012, 03:51:09 PM
I've always figured I'd get there just about the time I arrive.  Been working for me.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on December 11, 2012, 03:53:47 PM
Mapquest will give you some gas mileage numbers -- but I'd prefer the ability to input speed.  As for knowing when I get there - by being there -- yes, I allow that's correct, but I'd also like the ability to get good information to tell someone how to get to me - and give a reasonable estimate of how long it'll take him to get here.  I'll keep looking.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on December 11, 2012, 04:59:42 PM
Maybe this otta get spun off to its own thread.  I've been looking at Navigation Apps for Android phones (I have an HTC Android) and there's a list of the 10 best Nav Apps:
http://www.inman.com/news/2012/01/16/top-10-android-navigation-apps (http://www.inman.com/news/2012/01/16/top-10-android-navigation-apps)  I've just reinstalled Waze (I had to remove it cuz I ran outta space..then I moved some stuff to the sd card and now....)

Anyway, I can't remember if you have an iPhone or just a stone-age "talk-only" phones :-D but it might be worth looking into.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on December 12, 2012, 12:30:53 AM
I have been involved with this project from the very beginning.

I have seen it go together and grow but this past week has been

more exciting than anything that has ever occurred.

Last Friday the engines were started. The drive system engaged

and the tires and wheels turned just as they will when the start

of the first record run happens. I wasn't there when it happened

but the excitement in Marlo's voice when he called me was beyond any

bounds I have so far experienced. This post is a small part of the preparation

for that giant step forward. I'll be presenting the events over the next month as

best as I can.  Here is part of the story leading up to "fire up" and the next time also.

Here is the url:  http://www.target550.com/gallery/197_prep_for_running/index.html

Have fun and I'll do my best to bring all of you along to the testing for the first runs.

There are many new things on the horizon. Be ready to be surprised.

T H A N K S to  A L L of YOU


FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Elmo Rodge on December 12, 2012, 03:39:08 AM
Glenn, when I first fired the motor in my Tank everything stopped being a bunch of assembled parts and it did a "car activity".  8-) Wayno


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on December 12, 2012, 01:27:33 PM
Marlo sent this to me (and others) in an email this morning. 

"Sunday at 3:40 the front motor came to life in the car.  At 5 PM the second motor did the same.  No bangs, no rattle and no shake.
It was a MILESTONE day.  Dec 9 2012.  About 14 years and over 60,000 hours, yes 60,000 that I can account for at this time.  Not one wasted.
All it had to do was please me.
m/t
p/s more as the story continues."


Ah, the fun of such a giant leap, hey?  Congratulations to Marlo and his team of dedicated crew.  Wonderful work, great results - so far.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: wheelrdealer on December 15, 2012, 07:27:39 AM
Freud:

Thank you for the exciting post. Firing the motors is like hearing twin babies cry for the first time.

Congrats to Marlo and the Target 550 team.

Thanks for the update Freud and Slim

BR


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on December 15, 2012, 10:31:36 AM
More to come.......soon.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on December 19, 2012, 12:06:39 PM
It isn't Friday but Ray and I have a new post ready.

It relates to modifications to the blowers.

Les Davenport and Bob Harris came from Calgary, Canada to

assist with the needed work. There will be another post in less than

a week.

Here's the url:   http://www.target550.com/gallery/198_fabrication_blower_mounting/index.html

The engines had not run when these images were done.

FREUD

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on December 21, 2012, 03:08:13 PM
More to come soon......

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on December 22, 2012, 04:39:42 PM
With the car at Treit's place in Oregon I make certain that I get as many images as possible on any trip.

This is the second post from my first visit down there. It is a 488 mile round trip. Les Davenport and Bob Harris

came the Calgary, Alberta, Canada area to lend a hand. Bob Harris had the shop that anodized the Orville and

Wilbur knobs that can kill the ignition from inside the cockpit. It was a lot of help having them on site.

Much of this post is about the blowers. there will be even more regarding the fuel system in this next post.

I'll try to get it done before Christmas.

Thanks for your interest.

This is the url:  http://www.target550.com/gallery/199_blower_installation/index.html

Or you can go to www.target550.com.

See you soon.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: 38flattie on December 22, 2012, 04:44:21 PM
Freud, you HAD to be excited to hear about the engines firing! I looked, but I don't see a video of the event! They did video it, didn't they??!!


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on December 22, 2012, 05:10:51 PM
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Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on December 22, 2012, 05:11:53 PM
SO SORRY    NO VIDEO........these dudes are racers. It's up to someone else to document the happenings.

Davenport and Harris will be returning to Oregon shortly after the first of 2013. I know they

will fire up then and I'll be on hand w/a video camera. I was excited just to hear that they had

run them. I hate missing the event as much as everyone else does.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Peter Jack on December 22, 2012, 06:25:38 PM
Freud, how does Bob manage to avoid your camera lens?  :? :? :-D

Pete


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: Freud on December 23, 2012, 04:02:12 PM
He didn't. He is the feature in the next post.  He is also identified in the present post......#199

He will be in #200.

FREUD


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: racergeo on December 24, 2012, 07:04:41 PM
  Freud, you being the most iconic and beloved member of this web sight could do the world of land speed racing a service of unmeasurable good. You being a Doctor could challenge Dr. Goggles to replicate your famous naked Triumph photo.
  Short of putting a man on the moon, this would rank as the all time Aussie achievement.
   Freud, the value of the good natured encouragement you lend to all who post on here as well as your continuing updates on Target 550 are a true gift. Thanks G.J.


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLINER
Post by: RayTheRat on December 24, 2012, 08:50:27 PM
Merry Christmas from the Target 550 team...and lest we forget, best wishes for a wonderful New Year.
http://www.target550.com/gallery/200_xmas_2012/index.html (http://www.target550.com/gallery/200_xmas_2012/index.html)


Title: Re: TREITS STREAMLI