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Loring Timing Association (Maine) => Loring (AFB) land speed venue => Topic started by: legend6me on July 01, 2009, 11:31:15 AM
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Hello to everyone. I'm Bob Taylor from Eastern VP Sales from Eliot, Maine. I have been talking to Bob Wanna about bringing fuel to the event at Loring for over a year now. I'm very excited about Bob's enthusiasm in bringing this kind of racing to Maine.
Because this is a new venue and a new discipline of motorsports to me, I have no idea what to expect. So... I'm asking for some help in deciding what to bring. To help you help me, pre-payed orders get a 5% discount.
I'm planning on bringing 5 gallon pails of our most popular leaded and unleaded fuels. 30 and 54 gallon drums are available by pre-order only.
Due to Maine state laws, I cannot sell VP's fuels that contain MTBE (Q16, VP113, U4.2, etc).
Call me for application help, pricing and to pre-order
Bob Taylor, Eastern VP Sales
280 Beech Rd, Eliot, ME 03903 207-439-3568
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Oh yeah, I can get 50% Nitro too.
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Excellent, I'll call for a pail of C-16. -Dean
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Hello to everyone. I'm Bob Taylor from Eastern VP Sales from Eliot, Maine. I have been talking to Bob Wanna about bringing fuel to the event at Loring for over a year now. I'm very excited about Bob's enthusiasm in bringing this kind of racing to Maine.
Because this is a new venue and a new discipline of motorsports to me, I have no idea what to expect. So... I'm asking for some help in deciding what to bring. To help you help me, pre-payed orders get a 5% discount.
I'm planning on bringing 5 gallon pails of our most popular leaded and unleaded fuels. 30 and 54 gallon drums are available by pre-order only.
Due to Maine state laws, I cannot sell VP's fuels that contain MTBE (Q16, VP113, U4.2, etc).
Call me for application help, pricing and to pre-order
Bob Taylor, Eastern VP Sales
280 Beech Rd, Eliot, ME 03903 207-439-3568
Mr Taylor I'm a little slow sometime. Just want to make sure I have it right. You are the fuel supplier for the meet and for the gas classes you will be suppling the fuel and sealing the tanks for record purposes. I plan on running gas and fuel classes, but want to be straight before I call you about an order.
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I was planning to be a "vendor" for the event. I can do this in any way the event manager wants it done. Some sanctioning bodies have their own tech people who fill and seal tanks.
I am capable of doing specific gravity, dialectric and reactivity tests on site and can send samples to VP's lab for further testing.
I hadn't gone over this with Bob Wanner, but maybe he or someone else of authority can chime-in.
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We obviously do have to abide by Maine state laws regarding fuel formulations.
We also are on the honor system regarding sealing tanks, but God help you if you run some concoction that blatantly breaks either State or LTA laws.
It's a corny cliche, but you only cheat yourself if your junk is crooked.
This is a club, it ain't nascar.
We are fortunate having Bob Taylor at VP running his stuff all the way up to Loring for our first event, utilize all his equipment, which he has offered and
treat him as a fellow enthusiast, which he is.
Bob Wanner
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Bob ,
I am looking to buy some MR9 and how much for 5 gal .
Bill
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Sorry Bill, but MR9 contains MTBE. I can work on getting some MR10.
Property MR10
Spec Gravity @ 60ْ .741
Motor Octane 86
Reid Vapor Press. 11.47
Distillation Fْ - IBP 85.6
10% Evap. 103.8
50% Evap. 128.7
90% Evap. 316.5
E.P. 323.4
Lead Yes
Oxygenated Yes
Color Pale Green
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what octane leaded fuel are you bringing?
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I CAN bring leaded fuel with motor octanes from 96 to 120+
I tried to get VP to supply MR10, but it has been dropped from their product line and they will not make any more. So, with the MTBE laws as they stand, I cannot bring any of the MR fuels.
For anyone who is interested or thinks that they can help, I've been trying to get an ammendment to the law banning MTBE to allow for racing use only. I only get one chance a year to propose it to the state through our representative. If you are a Maine or New Hampshire resident, please let your representative know that this issue is important to you and convince them that you and your fellow racers are responsible enough to keep MTBE contained.
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We obviously do have to abide by Maine state laws regarding fuel formulations.
We also are on the honor system regarding sealing tanks, but God help you if you run some concoction that blatantly breaks either State or LTA laws.
It's a corny cliche, but you only cheat yourself if your junk is crooked.
This is a club, it ain't nascar.
We are fortunate having Bob Taylor at VP running his stuff all the way up to Loring for our first event, utilize all his equipment, which he has offered and
treat him as a fellow enthusiast, which he is.
Bob Wanner
I totall agree. I was just seeing how you were doing things at Loring. At Maxton the vendor has to dispence the fuel and tape the tank for any gas class and fuel is what you brung. I'm an unleaded 100 octane guy, makes it simpler. Thanks for the info.
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Hi Bob,
Most of the Turbo bike guys/girls will be running C16.
When is the dead line for pre-order?
Bill
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Pre-order until Thursday July 23rd at 5pm
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We are running a gas class and have a sealed tank from Maxton june meet
will we be allow to run this gas.
Thanks for any help.
Later
Robbbie
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Getting confusing here, Robbie, writing to Bob Taylor, on a site run by Bob Wanner, Co Conspirator with Bobby Jepson.
I presume your "sealed tank" is on a Motorcycle ? Back to the "Honor system" I mentioned earlier here, the serious racers, of which there will be quite a few attending, usually know who and when somebody is juicing. You are likely OK.
I drive a typically thirsty four wheeled vehicle, only a dream to have gas left over to the next meet. 4-5 runs we have to refuel.
Bob Wanner
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Sorry, Bob i should have started a new topic.
We have a four wheeler too. We refueled planning on making two more passes
but it was too so we can make two more passesbefore refuel. if it's a problem
we can drain the tank.
Robbie
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I've gotten a few emails similar to this, regarding other fuel brands already purchased. As I said, we are trusting that no one will fill up with a concoction illegal for the class they run, and if you've already bought fuel, you may use it. We would really appreciate it if everyone would utilize our on site provider VP , as they are bringing up a wide varieties of fuels to suit everyones needs that weekend. The point is to always show respect to the local vendors, whether it's hot dogs, fuel, or T-Shirts, it's nice to show our appreciation .
Bob Wanner
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Can we bring our own MR9? in a sealed drum? (5gal)
Thanks,
Bob.
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I plan on buying 2 gallons of 100 unleaded to run in production class with if someone is taking count.
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Questions on availability should be directed to Bob Taylor, the VP guy on this topic.
As I stated we 'd prefer our attendees patronizing local vendors, we wish to impress the local economy with our financial input.
Bringing previously purchased fuel is your choice, especially if it's your regular blend and you've tuned for it.
Bob W
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I think it's great the VP rep is going to be there! :cheers: I just hoped he had MR9, to sell, I would buy it! Just didn't know...if it's ok to run it in the gasoline class, as he was speaking of the Laws in Maine?
Bob.
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It can't be sold in Maine don't think there is a problem if you use it. As of last year there are very few stations selling 93 octane gas. Most only sell 91 now for some reason.
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I was away for the weekend, so I'm just seeing some of these posts this morning. It looks like there aren't any outstanding questions, but I want to clarify a couple of points that were touched on above.
I don't mind if you use fuel that you already have. I will be there with fuel for those who need it.
I am restricted to only selling fuel in sealed containers, that means 5 gallon increments or 30 and 54 gallon drums.
I will assist tech officials with fuel testing upon request. Questions concerning fuel legality should be directed to tech officials.
Please contact me directly to pre-order. 207-439-3568
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I CAN bring leaded fuel with motor octanes from 96 to 120+
I tried to get VP to supply MR10, but it has been dropped from their product line and they will not make any more. So, with the MTBE laws as they stand, I cannot bring any of the MR fuels.
For anyone who is interested or thinks that they can help, I've been trying to get an ammendment to the law banning MTBE to allow for racing use only. I only get one chance a year to propose it to the state through our representative. If you are a Maine or New Hampshire resident, please let your representative know that this issue is important to you and convince them that you and your fellow racers are responsible enough to keep MTBE contained.
Hello Bob,
I had Bill Taylor autograph my rookie B-ville logbook..How cool is that? :cheers:
Anyway, by looking at the VP site, I can not determine which leaded VP fuels contain MTBE and which do not, I was looking at VP113 but see from one of your earlier posts that VP113 can not be sold in Maine.
If possible could you post a listing of leaded VP fuels that do not contain MTBE?
Thanks :-)
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Fuels that are legal for sale in Maine
Leaded (off-road use only):
MS98L, VP110, C11, 2BBL, C12, C14, C14+, C15, C16, NO2, C23, C25, C44
Unleaded:
Streetblaze100, C10, Motorsport109E
Here's a tip for anyone pouring fuel from our 5 gallon pails: Just like pouring oil out of a plastic bottle, the fuel will come out more smoothly if you pour with the spout at the top so air can flow inside more easily.
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Here's a tip for anyone pouring fuel from our 5 gallon pails: Just like pouring oil out of a plastic bottle, the fuel will come out more smoothly if you pour with the spout at the top so air can flow inside more easily.
That is WAY cool!!!!!!
I was at VP HQ in San Antonio last thurs picking up 3 pails of C-44, yakking to Brad.
He had plenty of tips but didn't mention that one :cheers:
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Karl, next time you are going to be in the SA area get in touch and we can have lunch.
Fred
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Karl, next time you are going to be in the SA area get in touch and we can have lunch.
Fred
Fred, i very much regret that I was soooooo frazzled at the March Texas Mile I did not get to yak with you.
Next time i head down to SA, I will buy you lunch at any joint of your choosing, as long as it meets 2 critical criteria:
1. serves ice cold beer
2. is NOT on the Riverwalk :-D
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Riverwalk??? Whats that? :? I live 20mi north of SA I would rather take a beating than go down town. Hey good luck a Loring.
Fred
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Fred,
Go down town after dark and you're just liable to get that beating!
Didjya make up your mind yet. Are you going to make it to Bonneville and Loring?
DickJ
In East Texas
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Hi Dick, its Bonneville for me this year, both Speedweek an WOS. I hope I can make it to Loring, that 11/2 mile with lots of shut down sounds like a lot of fun. :-D
Fred