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East Coast Timing Association => ECTA General Chat => Topic started by: Top Secret Z on June 18, 2009, 10:32:01 PM
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So last year I entered the car under BGSS...The best I can figure, I can move up on classification and up on motor class. The Alt Coupe and Modified Sports class are both classes the car would fall under the "traditional" catagories.
BFALT
BGALT
BFMS
BGMS
BFSS
Can I really run under all these variation?
Thanks
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Wow, 49 views and not one
Ney or Yeh..... :?
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Are looking to run ECTA, SCTA or where? Modified sports would be a no, sports cars only? Looks like it would fit into Gas Coupe, Production, Altered and with some work maybe Comp Coupe. Tell us more about what you have done to your car. :cheers:
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What's BGSS? Not in my book............
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ROLLERS-
19x8 Auto Art 3 piece VY design front
19x10 Auto Art 3 piece VY design rear
275/35ZR19 Bridgestone Pontenza RE050
295/35ZR19 Bridgestone Pontenza RE050
SUSPENSION-
BMR Tubular K-Member
BMR Tubular Lower Control Arms
Eibach Sportline spring kit
KYB Adjustable front Struts and rear shocks
Energy Suspension urethane bushing kit – full car
Hotchkis front strut brace
Hotchkis front and rear sway bars
Hotchkis tie rod connectors
Hotchkis sub frame connectors
Hotchkis adjustable pan rod bar
Hotchkis trailing arms
Spohn Performance caster/camber plates
Edlebrock adjustable torque arm
Competition Engineering 12-point roll cage
Manual S-10 gearbox swap
BRAKES-
Baer Track Plus front and rear
Holley line lock
DRIVETRAIN-
Center Force DX Clutch System
Center Force SFI flywheel
Borg-Warner T-5 World Class Transmission (Astro Internal)
B&M short throw shifter
Inland Empire Driveline aluminum driveshaft
CT Tuners custom 10 bolt-
Moser Street/Strip axles
Richmond 2.73 gears
Richmond Power Trax locker system
Moroso pro wheel stud kit
Custom Summit aluminum diff cover w/ fabricated supports
SPC fabricated tube supports
INTERIOR MODS-
Sparco Torino seats
Sparco Steering wheel
Sparco aluminum pedals
Sparco shift knob
G-Force 5-point cam lock harnesses
G-Force Window net kit
G-Force arm restraints
Ignited carbon fiber switch panel
White gauge kit
Autometer double pillar gauge pod
Autometer Phantom air/fuel ratio meter
Autometer Phantom 30psi boost gauge
Autometer Phantom Cryo gauge
Autometer shift light
MSD digital 6 ignition control
MSD knock sensor meter
APC blue fire bottle
EXTERIOR MODS-
Custom paint by Rich Antoneck
Carbon Creations universal side splitters
Carbon Creations fabricated rear under car diffuser
Clear parking lights
Clear turn signals
Fiberglass IROC cowl induction hood
ENGINE MANAGEMENT-
O.E. General Motors
My own creation of a FIC with 160 lbs Accel fuel injectors (2 bar map)
ENGINE-
Vortech V7-Ysi supercharger
Vortech Polished intake elbow
Vortech Super FMU
Vortech altered blower bracket
ASP fabricated custom carbon fiber poly cogg system
TIAL 50.5mm blow off valve
Spearco 6 core sheet metal after cooler
AEM custom blower intake
Lingenfelter matched fuel injectors
Altered GM fuel rails with fabricated adapters
MARCH polished aluminum pulley and bracket set
TCI Rattler harmonic balancer
Moroso blower return oil pan
Moroso polished aluminum valve covers
MSD billet distributor
MSD Blaster coil
MSD Boost Timing Master
Crane Cam roller camshaft
Comp Cam non-pump up roller lifters
Taylor 10.4mm Pro ignition wires w/ keepers
K&N chrome breather
Optima Spiralcell Red top battery
Be Cool catch can
Hooker Header ceramic big-tube headers w/ O2 sensor mod
Mandrel 3-inch dual exhaust w/ “H” pipe
Flow Master 40 series dual mufflers
Holley 58mm dual port throttle body
Aeromotive fuel pump A1001
Aeromotive fuel pump controller
SLP altered and ported polished runners
Custom altered and ported top and base plenum
Carbon Creations engine compartment accents
Moroso solid engine mounts
Moroso oil cooler
Moroso high flow water pump
Polished alternator
Accel Phantom fuel pressure gauge w/ chrome cup
PRIMARY ENGINE-
SRP flat top forged piston set
Swain Technology Inc. Gold Coat ceramic armor and PC-9 solid lube sides
Eagle forged H-Beam rods with ARP bolts
Eagle forged and balanced crank shaft
Eagle four bolt spay conversion
ARP head and main stud kits
Moroso high flow oil pump
Edlebrock Performer centerbolt aluminum cylinder head (worked for blower)
SCE ICS Titan head gaskets
Comp Cams timing belt drive system
Lunati forged roller rockers w/ Lunati push rods
** E85 TUNED
I may have missed a few thing, but this should be close....
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What's BGSS? Not in my book............
Blown Gas Super Street...Ran this class for last years Hot Rod Mag Top Speed Challenge.
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What's BGSS? Not in my book............
Blown Gas Super Street...Ran this class for last years Hot Rod Mag Top Speed Challenge.
First thing you'll need is a rulebook. Read the safety tech area carefully. NHRA stuff doesn't necessarily pass.
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Opps, Sorry took it off the front page...Didn't see it was from ECTA.
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DOH! Me too. Is ECTA the same safety rules as SCTA?
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You can run the class your car is legal for.You can run up in motor size.At Maxton a c motor can run as a aa,a.b,c.This is only legal at maxton.
terry
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The reason I ask this is because The Centimark Mustang has ran in BFSS, BGSS, BGALT and BFALT....All the same car and I'm trying to figure how and were I fit. Especially when not running the SS class. Or should I be in a production class. CRAP this is all so confusing. I know I'm going to drop back down to D on the motor for the 305 but the rest is a blurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr...........................
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To your query about ECTA and SCTA safety rules -- they're very similar, but I'd scour the book carefully, very carefully, before committing to something that you feel is good enough. ECTA has some differences in track and pavement considerations, for instance, that might make something very necessary -- where it wouldn't be so critical at the Salt -- and vice versa.
The usual caveat is given now: If you've got safety questions -- contact Joe Timney at Delaware Chassis Works. Not only does he know the safety stuff -- but he's president of the ECTA. Come to the event next weekend, whether with or without the car -- and ask in person. You'll get really good and valid information that way.
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Don't think you can run production with that blower.
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Don't think you can run production with that blower.
Neither did I, but the question still remain....is there mutliple classes a car qualifies to run for such as the Centimark Mustang did and why? The reason I ask is I'm trying to determine some goals for record purposes. It nice to have something to shoot for.
I have last years book but it apears to me that nothing is "written" in cold hard stone as to where exactly a car fits. I'm content running D/BGSS but would like to know where else I fit, especially away from the ECTA SS class if I decide to go to other events, such as the salt flats or Texas Mile.
Thanks again for your thoughts,
Brent
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I'll take a shot at this. He ran in the SS (street class) in addition to alt since the record was obtainable and he met the , let's say liberal to be politically correct, requirements to run in SS. He did stick a tag on it but I sure would love to see a state inspector's face when it drives up though! To be fair though, the SS classes would be pretty boring if only street driven cars were running in them. I am guessing about 50% of our SS cars have seen the street in recent years.
As far as safety requirements go, you have to meet the safety requirement for the current record in that engine class even if you don't think you can get close to it.
Don't forget that you have to change classes at registration prior to the run and the first change is $50 I believe. I assume there is a tech inspection associated with the change if the record speed/rules are significantly different.
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I'll take a shot at this. He ran in the SS (street class) in addition to alt since the record was obtainable and he met the , let's say liberal to be politically correct, requirements to run in SS. He did stick a tag on it but I sure would love to see a state inspector's face when it drives up though! To be fair though, the SS classes would be pretty boring if only street driven cars were running in them. I am guessing about 50% of our SS cars have seen the street in recent years.
As far as safety requirements go, you have to meet the safety requirement for the current record in that engine class even if you don't think you can get close to it.
Don't forget that you have to change classes at registration prior to the run and the first change is $50 I believe. I assume there is a tech inspection associated with the change if the record speed/rules are significantly different.
That didn't really answer the question, but was fun about the inspectors expression...LOL I actually just drove the car with my son last weekend around Wilmington. The car really is registered, insured and inspected.....not saying the inspector is a "sticklor" for details though.
I'm not close to breaking any records, just want to find the correct class to run in if I'm not doing the SS thing. As far as the engine class bump, I get that I can move up by reregistering the car for the change but what different classes I can lateral thru is what I'm attempting to clarify for a 3rd Gen Camaro with serious horsepower mods on an uncut/unmodifed body and chassis.
I will be going to next weeks event to nag everybody there too! I will be running the car again this fall after a few more safety improvments due to the new rules....darn you expensive seat! :-)
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If your lights are working, then you could run Gas Coupe. Then again if you run blown Gas Coupe at Bonneville the records from E-A are all over 264 mph. You could run altered if you cover the head lights and front grill. The records are even higher in this class with the exceptions in A and AA engine size, 246 for A and 240 for AA. BTW that A record should go up this year. :-D Now Comp Coupe if you add a full belly pan then you could be in this class. A lot of variables to what class you could run. Again you would have to build the car for the record in its class. Good luck. How much ponies you puttin out? :cheers:
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812hp currently, but plan a slight fuel change and pulley combo to hopefully bump up. I'm pretty glad I stayed with the original cubes (305 cid) so I can run D class. All those A :-) boys really move! BTW, nice car..for some reason your car really looks good to me, can't imagine why....LOL I love running a car that is close to factory production as possible. This is why I still run the OE 305, T5 transmission and 10 bolt differential.
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Brent -
Where ya been, Dude? I haven't seen you around town.
One of the toughest parts of LSR is decoding the rule book. The basic answer to your question is - "Yes, your car is likely eligible for numerous classes". Variations in the body - really, in the aero - can move you around in the class structure, as well as the fact that you probably qualify for several classes that you can chose at your discretion. With my Camaro, for example, I can add the flat rear spoiler and front air dam and "PRESTO" - it's a E/CGALT car. Remove the dam and install a stock Z28 style spoiler (a bit better than nothing)(or no spoiler at all) and it's a E/CPRO. So I can switch back and forth pretty easily. As previously noted, belly pans and other mods will move the car around in the class structure, too.
As far as engine mods - pretty much anything goes. You can run "PRO" as long as the port configuration of the engine matches what could have come in the car from the factory. I can run my six, a traditional SBC, or a BBC. All I have to do is declare the actual displacement and select an engine class accordingly. I CAN'T run a V6 and stay in PRO - it was never offered in that body. So your 305 is fine. The blower, however, takes you out of PRO unless you remove it and run in that configuration (been done, btw). But ANY cam, intake, etc. is OK. I don't think PRO allows EFI - I run CPRO and I KNOW it does not allow it. And on it goes.
I look forward to seeing you there!
Dan
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BFALT
BGALT
BFMS
BGMS
BFSS
Can I really run under all these variation?
Thanks
BFALT AND BGALT should be ok if you cover the headlights and/or grill as I recall. You should be able to run BGC as the car is - probably the easiest way to get going. Can't run in any of the MS categories as it is a 'four-seater'.
BTW I checked out your car at one of the earlier events, nice! See you next week
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Brent -
Where ya been, Dude? I haven't seen you around town........ look forward to seeing you there!
Dan
Car has been broke, waiting on a too expensive transmission upgrade, but I'm back and will be running the last two events.