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Title: New B Fuel Streamliner
Post by: The wonderful One on May 06, 2009, 12:33:41 AM
Hi all. I am Tim Kraushaar. I would like to start a build diarie so that as I progress I may have comment from those of you who know more than I do. The car is all 4130 with 1 3/4 and 1 1/4 tubing that is all .120 wall. The wb is 225" and the outside to outside of the main rails is 23 1/2". The engine is a 430" Rodeck using Hilborn's new rotary injectors. Much help on the frame came from good friends Steve Davis and Mike Chrisman. Richard Catton built the engine. As you can see I am well along and will be at B-Ville in 2010. I will be starting on the tanks and fire system this next week and should have that finished by months end. Thank you for your time and I look forward to your thoughts. Tim
Title: Re: New B Fuel Streamliner
Post by: AJR192 on May 06, 2009, 01:07:19 AM
Hope you have a huge pair of heads on that 430. We dynoed a 410 with the rotaries and his 18x Brodix heads won't let enough air through. Absolutley killed any hopes of big HP numbers. Those injectors are the coolest things since sliced bread though...........
Title: Re: New B Fuel Streamliner
Post by: Peter Jack on May 06, 2009, 01:26:11 AM
The file won't open for me either on my MAC or my PC. Anyone else having the same problem? I'd rather have the pictures posted directly in the build diary if possible so everything's together for future reference. I'm really looking forward to following this build.

Pete
Title: Re: New B Fuel Streamliner
Post by: desotoman on May 06, 2009, 01:41:50 AM
Hi Tim,

Glad to see you start a build diary. I could not bring the picture up also. How about posting some more.

Thanks,

Tom G.
Title: Re: New B Fuel Streamliner
Post by: saltfever on May 06, 2009, 03:00:16 AM
Tim, thanks for posting your project but "no joy" on the pic.  What brand of fire system do you plan to use?
Title: Re: New B Fuel Streamliner
Post by: generatorshovel on May 06, 2009, 03:48:35 AM
The file won't open for me either on my MAC or my PC. Anyone else having the same problem? I'd rather have the pictures posted directly in the build diary if possible so everything's together for future reference. I'm really looking forward to following this build.

Pete
No joy in the pic dept here either  :-(
Tiny
Title: Re: New B Fuel Streamliner
Post by: RichFox on May 06, 2009, 10:26:25 AM
I did see a lot of pictures from the HAMB and other places. no 'liner.
Title: Re: New B Fuel Streamliner
Post by: mkilger on May 06, 2009, 11:36:45 AM
is it's the liner that been at Davis shop for a some time now? very nice car anyway. Hows Steve's comp coupe  doing?
Title: Re: New B Fuel Streamliner
Post by: theazoldcrow on May 06, 2009, 03:02:39 PM
 :cry: Nope, no pictures on my end either.    Crow
Title: Re: New B Fuel Streamliner
Post by: NArias3 on May 06, 2009, 05:32:16 PM
Is this "The" Tim Kraushaar?

Nick 3rd.
Title: Re: New B Fuel Streamliner
Post by: interested bystander on May 07, 2009, 01:46:57 AM
AKA "Wonderful Weed", I'll bet.
Title: Re: New B Fuel Streamliner
Post by: The wonderful One on May 07, 2009, 02:15:00 AM
It is Tim Kraushaar again. Still working to post the picture of my Liner. Got it down from 887kb to 101kb and still willnot post. I will consult with my hero computer guy on Friday and see how smart he is. TWO
Title: Re: New B Fuel Streamliner
Post by: The wonderful One on May 07, 2009, 02:29:42 AM
Tim kraushaar. Gee it is only 11:00 pm. I think we may have a picture. TWO
Title: Re: New B Fuel Streamliner
Post by: Peter Jack on May 07, 2009, 04:41:45 AM
It works! Nice looking piece Tim. More pictures!!! :-D

Pete
Title: Re: New B Fuel Streamliner
Post by: Glen on May 07, 2009, 11:05:38 AM
Tim, I knew you could do it. :cheers:
Title: Re: New B Fuel Streamliner
Post by: desotoman on May 07, 2009, 01:25:54 PM
Tim,

Streamliner looks great, how about a picture of the rear of the car. Could not help but see a Coupe, Tub, and Roadster in the background. What years are they?

Tom G.
Title: Re: New B Fuel Streamliner
Post by: Dynoroom on May 07, 2009, 01:28:40 PM
Tim, I hope you don't mind but I'll post a few for you that I took a couple months back.

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p126/Dynoroom/Bonneville/pictures2009002Small.jpg)

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p126/Dynoroom/Bonneville/pictures2009003Small.jpg)

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p126/Dynoroom/Bonneville/pictures2009004Small.jpg)

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p126/Dynoroom/Bonneville/pictures2009005Small.jpg)
Title: Re: New B Fuel Streamliner
Post by: desotoman on May 07, 2009, 01:35:27 PM
Mike,

Thanks, much appreciated.

Tom G.
Title: Re: New B Fuel Streamliner
Post by: jl222 on May 07, 2009, 01:38:48 PM
 
  All right, SUSPENSION  :-D :cheers:

   JL222
Title: Re: New B Fuel Streamliner
Post by: interested bystander on May 10, 2009, 10:14:22 PM
Boy, this project is surrounded with some TALENT!

And we've also  got Hanna/Creitz/Moore and, of course, Hume's masterpiece for Mr. Treit under way.

Good to see all these old dragrace tin fabricators returning to the sport's roots.
Title: Re: New B Fuel Streamliner
Post by: Jonny Hotnuts on May 11, 2009, 12:06:00 AM
I do believe you will want the 45 degree bars on the front half to lean the other way.

Title: Re: New B Fuel Streamliner
Post by: Model A coupe on May 11, 2009, 12:45:56 AM
Weed,whatever happened to the 40'ty Ford featured in DRM?
Title: Re: New B Fuel Streamliner
Post by: racergeo on May 11, 2009, 02:34:03 AM
 Whats the story on the smooth tread Goodyears? Are they something new?
Title: Re: New B Fuel Streamliner
Post by: SPARKY on May 11, 2009, 09:27:21 AM
looks like some "Power Salt Shaving" on one set   :-D
Title: Re: New B Fuel Streamliner
Post by: mkilger on May 11, 2009, 12:34:15 PM
Boy, this project is surrounded with some TALENT!

And we've also  got Hanna/Creitz/Moore and, of course, Hume's masterpiece for Mr. Treit under way.

Good to see all these old dragrace tin fabricators returning to the sport's roots.
   and that why Mel Swan is doing the  tanks in our roadster I know they will be right and very nice.
Title: Re: New B Fuel Streamliner
Post by: The wonderful One on May 11, 2009, 01:27:50 PM
The replys. Johnny Hotnuts. Doubt it. / Modle A Coupe. Sold it to John Buttera. / Racergeo. The front is a standerd Goodyear. 21.5 tall and rated at 300 mph. TWO
Title: Re: New B Fuel Streamliner
Post by: Rex Schimmer on May 11, 2009, 02:46:04 PM
Tim, AKA Weed,
Looking at your front end is the A frame that locates the front axle side to side allowed to rotate around the axle? Can't tell from the pictures in Mike's E mail but I assume that it does as otherwise the front 4 link and the A frame will be "at odds" with each other during axle movement.

Just "kibitzing" as usual. Very neat car.

Rex
Title: Re: New B Fuel Streamliner
Post by: The wonderful One on May 11, 2009, 06:50:20 PM
Rex. The answer is yes. Both front and rear. The receivers have a bushing that is honed. The sliders are ground with .003 clearance. Both are drilled for lube with a zerk in the rear of the slider. TWO
Title: Re: New B Fuel Streamliner
Post by: Jonny Hotnuts on May 11, 2009, 06:57:22 PM
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The replys. Johnny Hotnuts. Doubt it. / Modle A Coupe. Sold it to John Buttera. / Racergeo. The front is a standerd Goodyear. 21.5 tall and rated at 300 mph. TWO

The primary forces on the 45 degree bars are “pulling” and not “pushing” and unless you have so much engine torque that you feel you will be able to do wheelies (like top fuel) this is not the strongest arrangement.
Hitting a bump at speed with limited suspension travel can generate massive forces, especially with additional weight often added needed to get traction. A simple broken weld at any of these 45's in this configuration could result in a catastrophic structure failure.....unlike bars that are pushing.  


I am not trying to tell you what to do, nor do I mean to speak disparaginly of your project but before you dismiss what I am saying I highly suggest you consider the outcome if I am correct.

Good luck to ya.

~JH
Title: Re: New B Fuel Streamliner
Post by: interested bystander on May 11, 2009, 09:14:36 PM
 HotNutz -Assuming you're referring to the triangular links- they are only to locate the axles SIDE TO SIDE -see "SLIDER" in Tim's reply to Rex. Watts linkage would do the same but this is much better for packaging.

Similar to Pro Stock dragrace rear end locators.

The people bulding the car have INCREDIBLE amounts of savvy.
Title: Re: New B Fuel Streamliner
Post by: Jonny Hotnuts on May 11, 2009, 09:33:23 PM
(http://photos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs025.snc1/4268_1149406651396_1114496579_30472028_1802313_n.jpg)

interested bystander, I speak of these bars.


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The people bulding the car have INCREDIBLE amounts of savvy

So did the people that designed this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxTZ446tbzE
Title: Re: New B Fuel Streamliner
Post by: The wonderful One on May 11, 2009, 09:42:35 PM
Jonny Hotnuts. If you like call me after 8:00 PM tonight California time and I will tell you why we did it this way. Other than that I don't want to use up my welcome on landracing. Look forward to talking with you. TWO (562) 221-3150
Title: Re: New B Fuel Streamliner
Post by: interested bystander on May 11, 2009, 09:51:57 PM
My apologies Hotnuts, was reading your comment, then Rex's query and put the two tgether.

Actually, if you'd studied examples of bridge trusses and treated the front and rear axles as the bridge anchors, without seeing a side elevation of the car , it looks to me like a proper Pratt truss configuration.

Bridges are occaisionally aerodynamic as Tacoma Narrows demonstrated. It was fine last time I went over it, though.

Rest assured these guys don't need to lie awake nights worring about the diagonals directions.