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Bonneville Salt Flats Discussion => Build Diaries => Topic started by: Burns on April 20, 2009, 04:03:04 PM
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Check this out. Found it in an old barn, and if its not already the perfect shape for a Burt Munro-style bike streamliner, than i dont know what is. The small object laying next to it is a bottle of root beer for comparison since i didnt have a ruler or anything. So far all we really have planned is that we want to use a snowmobile motor, probably a 800 two-stroke two-cylinder motor that my friend has laying around....So basically what we need are ideas, sketches, and comments from experienced builders to help us along...LSR experience is a bit hard to come by in Mariposa CA, so im going here...Anything will be appreciated..Thanks..
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r240/rynburns/DSC01982.jpg)
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John & Troy Langlo are just down the hill in Clovis. Although they run a car at both Bonneville and El Mirage they may know of some bike racers in the area that could help you out. Johns handle on this website is JL222 send him a PM maybe he can help.
Tom G.
PS. Willie Buchta is on this site and he is in Modesto. He builds and races bikes. Might PM him also.
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Cool find.
FYI:
If Burt showed up today at an SCTA sanctioned lsr time trial his bike would not be legal for the class he still has the record in nor would it be legal for the partially streamlined classes.
What frame class are you thinking of running it in?
J
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john beat me to it---and it will require a motorcycle engine willie buchta in modesto
BUCHTA =buck tuh see how easy that is
looks like some good streamlining for my wifes sidecar bike --if you dont use it let me know 209 6816876
in the sidecar class you can do any streamlining you want up until your exit is restricted(whatever that means)
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john beat me to it---and it will require a motorcycle engine willie buchta in modesto
BUCHTA =buck tuh see how easy that is
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When I hit spell checker on your name it tries to correct it to Willie Butcher... :-D
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As far as a frame, i was just going to build a high-speed bike frame, and suit it to a snowmobile engine, but will they really care what type of motor is in it? And as far as Munro entering his bike in current speed trials, i know that it wouldnt pass, seeing as it barely passed in the 60's. I'm not trying to build a replica of his bike, i was just giving an idea as to how it would be set up/how the rider would be positioned in the bike etc. Im not sure what class exactly. I really havent gotten that far yet. Does anybody know what class it would qualify for?
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As far as a frame, i was just going to build a high-speed bike frame, and suit it to a snowmobile engine, but will they really care what type of motor is in it? And as far as Munro entering his bike in current speed trials, i know that it wouldnt pass, seeing as it barely passed in the 60's. I'm not trying to build a replica of his bike, i was just giving an idea as to how it would be set up/how the rider would be positioned in the bike etc. Im not sure what class exactly. I really havent gotten that far yet. Does anybody know what class it would qualify for?
It would be streamliner only and would need parachutes, roll cage, fire system etc..
Once you are "in" a bike it is a streamliner and when you are "on" the bike it is an open bike..
Burts bike would be neither today..
And yes they care about the engine type in SCTA..
John
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so it wouldnt be anything, and i couldnt run because its got a bitchin' motor...im just looking for the reasoning behind it all...
I understand the streamlined/partially thing, that makes sense, but why wouldnt it qualify for partially streamlined? thats what it is. And as far as the motor, people put fords in chevys and rotarys in toyotas and massive rockets in semi-trucks, so why cant i have a 800 Yamaha in my partially streamlined thing?
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Burns,
Check your PM's..(private messages)
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Put 2 more wheels on it and run the sled motor.
Motorcycles must have MC motors.
However there are motorcycle motors of like displacement that can meet or exceed the HP of the sled motor.
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Johnny,
Hard to make the same power with a four stroke as a two stroke...
Money, time and technology.. :-)
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ok, so for whatever stupid reason, i cant run a sled motor in my bike...
what if i made it a partially streamlined sled?
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is there a class for sleds at bonneville? i know that they race them on asphalt drag strips...use a solid track with no "teeth" and put some wheels in place of or onto the skis...they work great at the drags, so is there a class for LSR?
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Perhaps (but not probably) could run Time Only at SpeedWeek. But they'd look at it as a streamliner that didn't meet the safety rules and proabably disallow it.
They're under no obligation to run whatever you build.
Stan Back
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This would be the perfect time to say "Spring for a rule book" That's where most of your questions can be answered.
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there are over 1000 classes for a motorcycle none of which include a snowmobile or a snowmobile engine--none of the rules for scta are stupid --we may not like them all but we all abide by them--the rules got where they are today by all who passed before us some paying dearly---in the motorcycle classes only motorcycle motors are allowed (otherwise it would be a 2 wheel car) most of the rules other than some basic class rules are safety rules --an open bike is no streamlining--a partially streamlined bike you must see the rider from both sides and from above --if you cant see the rider then you are in the streamliner class --the sidecar class is just a little different but there is only 2 frame classes SIDECAR and SIDECAR STREAMLINER ---my suggestion is to buy a rule book pick a class that you can build a bike for go race and have fun----you can order a rule book at www.scta-bni.org you can also look at all of the classes there and records and minimums for el mirage---if you need help you are welcome to call me at 209 6816876 willie buchta
the 16th and 17th of may is the first race of this year ( SCTA) at el mirage you should attend tech starts friday racing sat and sun hope to see you there
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There are over 1850 MC classes in SCTA/BNI. The place to start is with a new 2009 rule book. No one here is putting you down just trying to steer you in the right direction. It would be a shame to show up and never be able to take it off the trailer. The rules are specific and every rule is made for a reason. Come down to El Mirage and talk to the tech. committee, show them what you have or want to build and go from there.
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Buy a run down beat up Ducati 900ss motorcycle and build a Burt replica.. :cheers: I believe that was the engine used in the movie in disguise.
Then sell it on EBAY for big money.. :wink:
John
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Burns, use it to build a lakester, an exposed wheel car. You can run any motor you wish... There are motor classes starting at 30 inches and going to an unlimited size. Look around the site there are several pictures of lakesters. You will want to hit a class break, or close, your 800cc will need to go 194 on gas, if you used a 750 it would only need to go 163...
Spend some time reading on this site while you wait for your rule book.
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...when you first get in it and look down the track , and your date is screwed up tighter than a hose clamp ...this will all seem like small beer. Compared to all other types of motorsport this is practically "run whatcha brung"...but there are reasonable limits, mostly based on safety.
No-one here is trying to "can" you , quite the opposite, they want you to succeed, but that means staying within the rules....and they've been refined over nearly sixty years.
My vote says 750 bike motor, four wheels .....fan-bleedin'-tastic!
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good luck with whatever route you take.
there are many here to help and advise you.
franey
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It was a car not MC.
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im not sure---this is only my 3rd year of doing this--but i will tell you this--everyone ive meet so far are great people--most would loan you a part even if you were trying to break their record---pick a class that you can afford--the car class requires about 3000 dollars worth of safety equipment that the bike classes dont ---a streamline motorcycle will require the same safety equipment as a car --once you have picked a class get a plan --parts list--work you will have to farm out--work you can do --and an i dont know list --drawings help--start in the build diaries and post your ideas and drawings get some imput---start building and stick to the plan and we may see you in 2010 at el mirage if your fast maybe world finals this year---if you go to the build diaries and look for "not just another wheel on a stick" you will see a bike that i built for my wife there is a cost sheet there i think about 3100 dollars and i did all of the work except paint ---remember get a plan willie buchta
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ok, well then lets look at this, someone mentioned a two-wheel-car class...how about a partially streamlined two-wheel-car?
and then i can use what motor i want since its technically a car, and its all good? or is there no two-wheel car class?
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ok, well then lets look at this, someone mentioned a two-wheel-car class...how about a partially streamlined two-wheel-car?
and then i can use what motor i want since its technically a car, and its all good? or is there no two-wheel car class?
NO..
Check your PM's
John
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Sell the tank and finance a bike project. Get your feet wet. Then after you know the ins and outs you can decide if you want to build a tank.
Tom G.
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now thats something i havent thought of yet...honestly, how much do you think i could get for the tank?
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John & Troy Langlo are just down the hill in Clovis. Although they run a car at both Bonneville and El Mirage they may know of some bike racers in the area that could help you out. Johns handle on this website is JL222 send him a PM maybe he can help.
Tom G.
PS. Willie Buchta is on this site and he is in Modesto. He builds and races bikes. Might PM him also.
Brook Waller and Willie are the only lsr motorcycle racers I know around here, but first of all you should be an experienced rider if your planning on riding it.
JL222
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yeah, riding is nothing new for me, but riding at anything over 110 is, but i plan to take baby steps. Theres no point in building something you cant even ride, or at least learn to ride, right?
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It only goes as fast as you twist the throttle,Build something and give it a go!
Do they still do good steaks in Mariposa at the little resaurant at the topof the main street.I aint been there for years had a good night out there though!
good luck Oz
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yeah, you must be talking about the Miner's inn...as far as i know, they still have good food and karaoke at the bar..
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Yup thats the place I have done the Karaoke thing there I was almost famous,englishman singin billy ray cyrus songs, priceless!
If Cath and Marvin (native american geologists) are still there say hello for me!
Back to the Bike,I looked into building a streamliner when I started on my project and it is a very involved process i would start with a straight forward bike project first. I have been building bikes for 20+ years and I have built show winning chops and Streetfighters in a quater of the time it has taken to build this one, but havin said that it has been well worth it i have learned more building this than I ever could have imagined.
give it a go
TTFN Oz
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It only goes as fast as you twist the throttle,Build something and give it a go!
Do they still do good steaks in Mariposa at the little resaurant at the topof the main street.I aint been there for years had a good night out there though!
good luck Oz
And it only stops as well as an experienced rider knows how to.
JL222