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Loring Timing Association (Maine) => Loring (AFB) land speed venue => Topic started by: entropy on January 14, 2009, 05:05:51 AM
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Mr Wanner,
WAY COOL! that you are doing this!
Dr Gary(TRNorBRN) & I will climb into my ole Texas Copcar and pull a coupla' slow ass Kawasaki's up to yr event for sure! 2,300mi is only twice as far as Maxton for us. :-D
One question: which of the 2 runways are you planning on using? S to N?
Karl
BobW says:
This map pictured is turned a few degrees clockwise, as the top end, (top right) should be almost due north.
If you divide the middle runway into five segments, the bottom three are off limits as the DEP/EPA has some soil treatment project going on it.
We would use the top two segments of it for the return road, then a right ( west) turn to the third runway all the way back to the bottom end where we will have the pits and staging area.
(http://mallofcaribou.com/LoringAFB/media/picture-of-loring.jpg)
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looking at all the pics I've seen I would guess the furthest away one. It's also the widest. Just a guess though... I would also like to know which direction as well but it really doesn't matter.
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Welcome to LR.com Karl, glad to hear you and Gary are going for sure (that cop car sure gets the miles man!).
I didn't realize there are two runways, it appears the left one is simply a taxiway, no?
Commuta... Bob told me the runs will be South to North, just like Maxton. :cheers:
Todd
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Glad to have you on Entropy. Already looking at the wind direction for that time of year, you sly dog.
NARider, hope things are going well for you and the wifey.
PS: My old 12 is slow, but your N/A beast sure ain't. Entropy Don't forget your A liscence card from Maxton and Texas. Maybe your Passport too, it does not look far from the border. Might be like going over to Tijuana!
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PS: My old 12 is slow, but your N/A beast sure ain't. Entropy Don't forget your A liscence card from Maxton and Texas. Maybe your Passport too, it does not look far from the border. Might be like going over to Tijuana!
You might want to cut back on your meds a little.... :roll:
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Glad to have you on Entropy. Already looking at the wind direction for that time of year, you sly dog.
Bob said "Wind usually quarters from the west south west to west, sometimes briskly"
NARider, hope things are going well for you and the wifey.
Very well thanks,... hope the same for you also Gary. Look forward to seeing you soon.
Don't forget your A liscence card from Maxton and Texas. Maybe your Passport too, it does not look far from the border. Might be like going over to Tijuana!
Large Exceptions: In both Maine and Canada, they still speak english (or at least a variation of it to southerners), and Canada offers meds to cure things caught in Mexico. :-)
Todd
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http://www.airnav.com/airport/ME16
Sheri Buchta
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With the prior report of the beginning of the track being concrete & the remainder being asphalt and running S to N I'm going to speculate that it will be run on the farthest right runway in the picture above running from the bottom right of the picture up towards the upper right corner. That would also be a safer way to go to try to alleviate people getting disoriented and accidentally trying to cross over the course. How's that for bench racing! ;)
Debbie
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DahMurph, that sounds excellent. I can see if it were run the other direction how you might get confused and turn left instead of right. Ali has promised me a tour of the other airfields though. Just kidding ya Ali. Don't know if he is on here, but he did say he was going up to run the 1.5Mi. I'll have to recommend He and Mr. Hill car/van pool together. Lol, that would be a story.
Sorry Karl, on the serious side, any weather predictions or pictures of good places to eat near by......................or do we have to pack in food. If so you might have to order one of those Monster lobsters, I'll bring my mom's old tamale cooker, and Maybe KZ can smuggle some Canadian beer.
Sorry Stainless, I have a weird sense of humor ...............with that said, going to have fun at Texas, Maxton, and Loring is my prozac!
Gary
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Don't we all?
Todd is correct, there is one runway there, unless you are a flyer or in the military and then there are 2, one facing 10 degrees and the other at the reciprical of 190 degrees.
Old SAC bases have long runways, this should be a great event.
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There were more runways there. Loring was the only SAC base in the Air Force that had parallel runways. The narrower slab of pavement is an old runway. Most SAC runways were 12,000' to 15,000' long and 300' wide. some were wider and there were some that were probably longer. Buffs need a lot of real estate to get airborne, especially on a hot day with a full bomb load.
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The "Loring AFB today" map pictured here isn't today, it's actually a few years old. The maps available are of different vintages. The oldest ones have only two runways, as one of the smaller ones was constructed later. This map pictured is turned a few degrees clockwise, as the top end, (top right) should be almost due north. If you divide the middle runway into five segments, the bottom three are off limits as the DEP/EPA has some soil treatment project going on it. We would use the top two segments of it for the return road, then a right ( west) turn to the third runway all the way back to the bottom end where we will have the pits and staging area.
One of those large paved areas that was vacant at that picture time is now a parking lot for everything from Hummers through 155mm Mobile Howitzers belonging to the Maine National Guard for in case we get invaded by Canada.
Hang in there on the accommodations Q's, we are working on all that. There is readily fooding and motels in the area, nearby Caribou and the larger farther Presque Isle.
Distances/time similar to Maxton/Laurinburg.
BOB , tour Guide, promoter, funster, W
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Hey Entropy, fancy seeing you here. :cheers:
I'm thinking seriously about heading up to Loring myself, hopefully with Leslie and the pooch. A quick 1500 mile trip, chump change, and I have some places in New England I should visit.
Dean
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Don't forget your A liscence card from Maxton and Texas. Maybe your Passport too, it does not look far from the border. Might be like going over to Tijuana!
Gary,
Are you thinking that Lower Portage, New Brunswick may have a Boys Town??? 8-)
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Welcome to LR.com Karl, glad to hear you and Gary are going for sure (that cop car sure gets the miles man!).
I didn't realize there are two runways, it appears the left one is simply a taxiway, no?
Commuta... Bob told me the runs will be South to North, just like Maxton. :cheers:
Todd
hey Todd & Deb!!
we Look fwd to seeing you & deb in Maine!
This is gonna be great; copcar is pretty good about eating miles (and gas), Dr Gary & I will have a nice lil road trip. Hopefully #2 Son and Umbrella Girl will drop by.
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Hey Entropy, fancy seeing you here. :cheers:
I'm thinking seriously about heading up to Loring myself, hopefully with Leslie and the pooch. A quick 1500 mile trip, chump change, and I have some places in New England I should visit. As I kid I lived outside Portland, in a little town called Yarmouth.
Dean
wazzup Dean!
So you are ANOTHER one o' those goddam Yankees!
Took me long enough to get to this forum, great place!
I grew up outside Worcester, Mass, my 91YO OTL Mom, Bro, et al are still there, will pay a visit on the way thru.
That's my pitch to my bird-girl wife: "honey, my Mom is getting pretty old, don't you think I should pay her a visit?" :-D
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todd - good to know it's south to north :cheers:
it does seem a bit breezy there say average of 5mph but I'm more concerned with the possibilities of rain even though it doesn't seem to be for to long :|
It'll be interesting to figure out which Motels are in the right locations. I hope the local area is ready for the blitz :cheers:
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Lots of oxygen making foliage, good for N/A motors. Steve and Mark start packing. The extra distance should see some amazing speeds for both cars and bikes. :cheers:
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Lots of oxygen making foliage, good for N/A motors. Steve and Mark start packing.
Loring & Bonneville too!?! Is your team planning Speed Week? Talk about a long drive! Wonder if there will be a convoy from Loring to Bonneville!
Will Charlie be joining the Angels in Maine? :-D
Debbie
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I'm posting this on all the LTA threads.
A little reminder to remember SSS Jon W and how kind he is to maintain this beautiful thing, Landracing .com for all of us.
Consider patronizing all the advertising sites here (hits) and when you meet him, let him know how you appreciate him.
Also ask him how he got that Hot woman to marry him.
BOB, I'm thankful, big time, W
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Mostly for the benefit of those of you that aren't aware yet, this is the address (below) for the Loring Timing Association and
information for our event to be held in August this year.We recommend reading all
the info available, and we hope it answers enough questions. Pre
Registrations can be submitted now, or if you are unfamiliar with Land Speed Racing
, you can first order a Rulebook which has most of what info you need to
prepare to attend and run your vehicle.
We will soon also add a Aerial based map picture of the site to familiarize
everybody with the facility.
We will also add a News icon for regular updates on available
accommodations and dining facilities in the area.
Directions are also forthcoming .
In the meantime, have patience if we've forgotten anything or confused an
issue, we will straighten it all out very shortly.
We thank all of you that kept the faith waiting and watching our progress.
We again openly thank our Mentors at The ECTA for their ongoing help ,
this probably could not have been done without them. And if it's a failure,
blame them. LOL.
Bob W, LTA, Co Conspirator at Large
http://www.lta-lsr.com/
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NEW MAP INFO !!!!!
http://www.lta-lsr.com/track.htm
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thanks for the update. Based on the maps you've provided does this mean that the only pit and spectator area will be by the start line?
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The pits/staging/parking area is tentative, we'll probably enlarge it after our road trip up in June. Most likely extend it north along the return road.
Bob W
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I needed to break down the track measurements in order to grasp it so I thought I'd share.
Feel free to let me know if I missed the mark. ;)
Ending Distance
Feet/Mile Between Description Rough Distance
1,000/0.19 1,000/0.19 Concrete Ends
3,800/0.72 2,800/0.53 First early turn out 3/4 mile
6,700/1.27 2,900/0.55 Second early turn out 1-1/4 mile
7,920/1.50 1,220/0.23 End of timing traps 1-1/2 mile
9,000/1.70 1,080/0.20 First shutdown exit
12,000/2.27 3,000/0.57 Second Shutdown exit
12,920/2.44 920/0.17 End of track
Shutdown:
7,920/1.50 End of traps 1-1/2 mile
9,000/1.70 1,080/0.20 Traps to 1st shutdown exit 2/10 mile
12,000/2.27 4,080/0.77 Traps to 2nd Shutdown exit 3/4 mile
12,920/2.44 5,000/0.94 Traps to end of track shy of 1 mile
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Sounds like a good plan. :cheers:
Having some areas away from the start line/staging area might help keep things from getting over crowded. I'm sure some spectators might want to see the runs at the finish line as well as the start area.
The pits/staging/parking area is tentative, we'll probably enlarge it after our road trip up in June. Most likely extend it north along the return road.
Bob W
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Deb,
Those distances posted are not exact, especially the turn outs. The only distance that I'd categorize as accurate is the start to the traps (7920) line. They are probably within a few per cent of the numbers, as I measured off of different maps for it
Part of our road trip up's purpose in about a month is to measure and mark those lines.
Bob W
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The pits/staging/parking area is tentative, we'll probably enlarge it after our road trip up in June. Most likely extend it north along the return road.
Bob W
Texas has all the pits along the return road, work out GREAT bc you can easily see where everyone is.
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Thanks Big W so I'll plan on the Rough Distance for now until we hear back from you.
The pits/staging/parking area is tentative, we'll probably enlarge it after our road trip up in June. Most likely extend it north along the return road.
Bob W
Texas has all the pits along the return road, work out GREAT bc you can easily see where everyone is.
It does work well and everyone gets a front row seat to the track but with the 10mph speed limit it takes FOREVER to get from one end to the other! :-o Like us, we needed something from our pit at the 3/4 while we were at the start line and Todd about sent out a search party for me cause it took so long!!! With such a long ride I kept getting nervous that I missed our pit! If it wasn't for Stainless2's bus I never would have found home! :-D And yes I know that's why y'all pit at the start lines but we can't ALL pit at the start line!! :lol:
Debbie
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Thanks Big W so I'll plan on the Rough Distance for now until we hear back from you.
The pits/staging/parking area is tentative, we'll probably enlarge it after our road trip up in June. Most likely extend it north along the return road.
Bob W
Texas has all the pits along the return road, work out GREAT bc you can easily see where everyone is.
It does work well and everyone gets a front row seat to the track but with the 10mph speed limit it takes FOREVER to get from one end to the other! :-o Like us, we needed something from our pit at the 3/4 while we were at the start line and Todd about sent out a search party for me cause it took so long!!! With such a long ride I kept getting nervous that I missed our pit! If it wasn't for Stainless2's bus I never would have found home! :-D And yes I know that's why y'all pit at the start lines but we can't ALL pit at the start line!! :lol:
Debbie
Deb,
Pit w/TFA and we'll assure you the same top shelf service we get!!!!!
on the negative side: "a (wo)man is known by the company (s)he keeps..."
:D
I'm thinking that the initial Maine Event won't have 160 participants like Texas does these days, do the length of pits on the return road may be do-able. The 1st Texas event had about 30 and we just pitted sort of near the starting area
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Pitting in a line from the pits to the North makes sense, nice and orderly. We can have dual speed limits, one for the return road and one for after the last pitted entry or pit area end.
The Pit line can be a few rows deep, ala Bonneville, as that area is large enough to accommodate this arrangement. We could also park spectators behind the pit line, therefore consolidating the area better, but still providing the pit parkers the premium view. http://www.landracing.com/forum/index.php?action=post;topic=5353.15;num_replies=29
As far as having 160 participants on day one, bite your tongue. LTA/09 will be almost exactly 40 years after Woodstock , and I still have porta pottie nightmares. (Oh, the Stalagmites)
I'm still waiting for feedback and info from participants to share with everybody reading all this, there's a lot of things that would stoke everybodies interest that I'm not 100% sure we can announce yet.
BOB W