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Loring Timing Association (Maine) => Loring (AFB) land speed venue => Topic started by: t russell on December 15, 2008, 08:22:19 PM
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has a date been set ?
thanks
terry
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has a date been set ?
thanks
terry
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I would like to plan on attending this event but as time marches on it'll become more difficult to schedule. I hope a date is picked soon... :?
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Did I miss something? I think I may have dosed off during the briefing.
Smitty
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Thanks Scott I trying to take vacation and go west or north depending on how time off and race dates coinside.
terry
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OK, I got a Date, but little else. Considering this sport is about the Worlds Fastest Stuff on wheels, it's ironic how slow everything moves when you are trying to organize it.
We race on August 1 & 2, 2009, tech and set up on on Fri ,July 31.
We are trying real hard to get up a website to give all the info before Christmas, please bear with us.
We have not decided on the exact length to the timing traps, probably slightly under two miles.
That's all I got, hope it holds everybody interested over until we get out our Site. Hang in there, this WILL happen.
BOB W
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That's all I got, hope it holds everybody interested over until we get out our Site.
That's all it takes is a confirmed date!
03/09 – 03/13 DLRA - Australia
03/28 - 03/29 Texas Mile Top Speed Shootout
04/04 – 04/05 Maxton
04/11 – 04/12
04/18 – 04/19
04/25 – 04/26
05/02 – 05/03
05/09 – 05/10
05/16 – 05/17 Maxton & El Mirage
05/21 – 05/24 Derby Mile – Lovelock, NV
05/30 – 05/31
06/06 – 06/07
06/13 – 06/14 El Mirage
06/20 – 06/21
06/27 – 06/28 Maxton
07/04 – 07/05
07/11 – 07/12 El Mirage
07/18 – 07/19
07/25 – 07/26
08/01 - 08/02 Loring
08/09 - 08/16 - Speed Week
08/22 - 08/23
08/29 - 09/03 - Bub
09/05 - 09/06
09/12 - 09/13 El Mirage
09/15 - 09/19 WOS
09/19 - 09/20 Maxton & Cook Motorsports Landspeed Shootout (09/20 - 09/26)
09/26 - 09/27
10/03 - 10/04
10/07 - 10/10 World Finals
10/17 - 10/18 Texas Mile
10/23 - 10/25 Maxton & El Mirage
10/31 - 11/01
11/07 - 11/08
11/14 - 11/15 El Mirage
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Thanks Dean, that looks real good in print !
I'm seriously goose pimply, we are confirmed !
BOB W
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Bob,
Even if you have the length why not use a standing start mile like Maxon and Goliad? I would think that comparing class speeds among the three would help to put together a unified community.
DW
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Texas '09
March 28/29
Oct 17/18
See you all at Loring. I'll be up seeing my Mother in NY around that time, so I'll show up. First one down the track is guaranteed track top speed, at least for a little while :-D
Bill
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Bob,
Even if you have the length why not use a standing start mile like Maxon and Goliad? I would think that comparing class speeds among the three would help to put together a unified community.
DW
A mile would let speeds be compared to Maxton, Goliad, and a timed mile on the salt, but 1.5 would just be a sweet thing and may draw more people. I know it gives me extra incentive to make it way up north.
Bill
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Bob,
Even if you have the length why not use a standing start mile like Maxon and Goliad? I would think that comparing class speeds among the three would help to put together a unified community.
DW
A mile would let speeds be compared to Maxton, Goliad, and a timed mile on the salt, but 1.5 would just be a sweet thing and may draw more people. I know it gives me extra incentive to make it way up north.
Bill
Dan and all, I gotta go with WB on this one. I would suggest a set of clocks at the mile for comparison, or maybe even Mile records and the 1.5 :-D for the "need for speed" :-o
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There isn't any timed first mile on the salt -- at least not at SW.
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Texas '09
March 28/29
Oct 17/18
See you all at Loring. I'll be up seeing my Mother in NY around that time, so I'll show up. First one down the track is guaranteed track top speed, at least for a little while
Bill
I went to the Texas Mile web site and don't see anything for 2009. Are those firm dates?
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I would really like to see a timed 1mile AND 1.5 mile.
I wish Maxton and Texas would have a measured half mile speed (I think it would just help give everyone more information for each run). Drag racing has all kinds of measurements that are recorded and that's for only 1/4 mile total distance...
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Part of the problem is running an extra 1/2 mile+ set of wires for the timing system in a not permanent environment. I think we'd all like more data but nobody wants to pay for the equipment or do the layout of equipment for each meet. :|
I’d love to see a 1 mile & 1.5 mile time at Loring for the reasons stated above but if we can only have one let’s have the 1.5!!! (provided there’s adequate shut down) (http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p224/DahMurf/Smileys/thumb.gif)
The Texas mile dates were posted as firm but not official until posted on their web site.
Oh and can I make the first run so I can have a track top speed for my resume for 1.5 minutes? That’s my style of racing! (http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p224/DahMurf/Smileys/rotfl.gif)
Debbie
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If you go with a 1.5 mile course, how long is the remaining shutdown? Also - any run off beyond the pavement?
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Runways are shown as 13,000 feet ... 1-1/2 mile course is feasible ... especially if there is additional runoff ...
Joe
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last evening while looking for more information on the net for Loring I was thinking about the speeds some bikes may be able to reach in 1.5 miles. Now don't get me wrong, I would really like to see and run on a measured 1.5 mile course, but will the motorcycle tires start becoming a critical safety issue. What kind of top speeds could we expect from some of the big turbo bikes? I only run a simple NA engine so my speeds aren't nearly as high. Is there any concerns related to the average wind speeds at the location as well.
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1.5 Mile is a big, big, big Draw! I know quite a few fellas that would go up there from Texas if it were 1.5 mile, but probably would not make the trip if it were only a 1 Mile course. This is mainly due to the convieniance of the Texas Mile.
The blokes across the pond run on a longer paved venue, similar in distance.
I am in either way, Dang thats a drive! :|
Gary
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The only bad thing I see about the 1.5 is when the small cc records are being set. Ouch, thats going to hurt :-(
And for most bikes, I really dont see them gaining very much more speed over their mile speeds. I don't think the Vmax will do much more in 1.5 then it will in 1.
Bill
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The only bad thing I see about the 1.5 is when the small cc records are being set. Ouch, thats going to hurt :-(
And for most bikes, I really dont see them gaining very much more speed over their mile speeds. I don't think the Vmax will do much more in 1.5 then it will in 1.
Bill
I guess we may see if there is a difference.
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The only bad thing I see about the 1.5 is when the small cc records are being set. Ouch, thats going to hurt
And for most bikes, I really dont see them gaining very much more speed over their mile speeds. I don't think the Vmax will do much more in 1.5 then it will in 1.
The added time to run 1/2 mile even in a slow vehicle doesn't amount to much. It would probably mean little difference in the number of runs being made in a day.
How much speed is to be gained depends on the horsepower. At some point you run out of horsepower and another 10 miles isn't going to gain you any speed. For high horsepower vehicles on pavement OH HELL YES will they gain speed. 320 feet made a big difference to the blown fuel drag racers. Bonneville would be much faster if you could put the horsepower to the salt without spinning the tires.
At Bonneville you have to run 175 mph on the short course to be able to run the long course. If it turns out that the 1.5 mile speeds are no faster than the mile speeds for a lot of entrants, you could make a long course/short course distinction. It would take another pair of lights.
Higher speeds carry higher risks. At 1.3 miles on the slippery dry lake bed of El Mirage Pete Prentice ran 312 with a C motor. A 1.5 mile course could see 375+ speeds.
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I think we have three from Texas so Far! Some of us fat guys are just trying to get settled in when the one mile marker hits. lol
Keep us up to date on Entry fee and tech stuff.
Thank you all much,
Gary
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There is already a 1 mile course at Maxton. A longer course would give Loring it's own identity and make any records more unique.
Joe
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Any concrete info on the length of the event?
I have heard a rumor..............kind of made me sad.
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TRN- what did you hear?
Joe
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1 mile like Texas and Maxton..
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Yep, like Mr. Noonan said.
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El Mirage is 1.3 ?
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a 1 mile tune-up and gearing is all together different from a 1.5 mile tune-up and gearing. Which is it, 1 or 1.5 ?
Guy
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Does anybody with any authority know?
1 or 1.5
Curious minds need to know. :mrgreen:
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Easy there the dirt fellas are sensitive! Just kidding, but if you would like a comparison, the fellas across the pond run 1.5 on pavement.
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At Least one and a half miles, ECTA rules, 7/31/09 Tech/setup, Race 8/1-2.
Decent Aerials at MapQuest ... (Loring AFB).
We are working on finalizing timing config, discount accommodations, remote shot at improving the date (very), and our long promised website.
We have excellent Safety coverage , Insurance, and commitments to participate as volunteers and racers from all over .
Bob Wanner Co-Conspirator Loring Timing Association ,Limestone, Maine
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Bob ... PM sent ... Joe
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Bob:
Your 31 July date doesn't look too good for the Seldom Seen Slim teams' chances of attending the event. We are planning on leaving Marquette that very day -- for Wendover. (In case you're wondering, whomever you are that's reading this, Nancy and I are part of the crew that sets up the Salt for SpeedWeek and World Finals -- that's why we're going so early).
I know it's your first year, Bob, and I also know that I've said I'd try to be there -- but it looks like the LSR gods have transmogrified together to make it nigh on impossible for Nancy and me to be in Loring this summer. We'll try again soon, hey?
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Slim,
I can supply photos from Loring for you ... I dont think I could come close to your running commentary from the special meet ... Joe
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Guy just posted it is a confirmed 1.5 mile venue... :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
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John - Coming out east for Loring ?
Joe
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I highly doubt it, maybe if Jason were to swing by on the way and take my new bike while he does an El Mirage event so I could fly in and on the new bike I was not planning to have brakes.
I hope the racers that run the big numbers remember to bring lots of spare tires as they will get eaten up pretty quick..
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If I am not mistaken you are in every 2 club that there is so far? You better plan on 2010 ... Joe
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Joe, I'll be happy to have some photos from you from Loring. I'll see what I can get Bob W. to provide to me in the way of run logs and other stuff -- and the more photos, the happier I (and the yahoos on this Forum) will be. I'll keep working to get the best "coverage" I can wangle for the members, the lurkers, and even the casually-surfing public.
PS I had to wear the snowshoes again today. The Christmas tree had been on our front deck for a week - and it was time to get it off the deck and out to the driveway so I can dispose of the tree. The snow in the yard was 2 feet deep -- so on went the snow shoes to allow me to walk and tow the tree by hand. Glad that's over with for another year.
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1.5 Mile :-D :-D :-D Thats my prozac for the year!!!!
Your awesome Mr. Wanner!!!
SSS I'll chip in photos as well, but I am an amateur.
PS: 81F yesterday....................but a cold front came through I think it was in the upper 50's today.
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I highly doubt it, maybe if Jason were to swing by on the way and take my new bike while he does an El Mirage event so I could fly in and on the new bike I was not planning to have brakes.
I hope the racers that run the big numbers remember to bring lots of spare tires as they will get eaten up pretty quick..
Somebody bring John's new Bike and I'll fly him there and back and house and feed him. Imagine going 275 on the concrete. He'll have to find his own date.
Guy
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The accelerating surface at Loring is over 90% asphalt, only the first 1000 ft is concrete. Better news for tires, not so much for the ideal traction of 100% concrete. Like somebody else commented, it's like a very wide straight older asphalt country road.
Every vehicle will be considered according to it's Safety equipt, it's speed potential, and the drivers' experience. It's everybody's first event there, and Safety will be the first, second, and third consideration. I will be a major PIA on this. We all go 25 mph faster @ a time, one increment per run. The only considerations will be to current SCTA/ECTA Comp licenses, but the rookie run policy will apply. I'd recommend serious inspection of the brake system, practicing using BHP for deceleration, (usually not so much used in LSR), appropriate laundry for a longer faster course (cars) , and a stock of fresh readily available underwear if all the former doesn't provide prompt access to the return road.
After the pavement ceases, it's sandy soil, then Canada.
JON !!!... Really gonna miss NANCY, and you. All that could go rong, date-wise, went rong with our first event. Next event you can do a "LTALKs" up here. We will get somebody to post daily updates to this site, I promise.
We got a cadre of Great Volunteers, car and Bike techs from up this way, I'm very happy. Hope to have some very statre of the Art Timing equipt, and our tin cans Commo got fresh strings !!! lol, relax.
Bob W LTA Tour Guide
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From my own experience, John is correct as far as if the bike/tires are not setup correctly. Of which I am sure this is what he is familiar with in regards to LSR. But in the case of Scott and others that have a handle on proper setup and tire care, there will be no problem using one rear tire for the Loring event.
But people.. always have a spare, you never know when some bone head will drop a peace of safety wire and you find it for him in your tire :-o
Bill
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ok, since the date seems to be finalized how soon will pre-registration begin? :wink:
I know there's alot that still needs to be done so I'm just trying to keep an eye out for these things. :cheers:
My guess is thatl there'll be a LTA membership and a sperate event fee.
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With it being a single event, I would hope for no member fee.
Bill
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With it being a single event, I would hope for no member fee.
I would agree but if it helps the LTA get off the ground I don't mind. :cheers:
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I think if there's going to be any kind of newsletter afterwards, or there are going to be printed (or internet) records, or if there is going to be a rule book (any of which will constitute additional and variable fees)... then there should absolutely be the proccess of membership dues associatted with it.
Membership is not normally for the money raised in something like this(although it certianly helps depending on the amount and th esize of the organization), but rather is a way to gather the information needed to know about the individuals and their vehicles that will be part of the organization. It allows a timely and repeatable way of keeping up to date info on each person should something or someone need addressed or contacted for various reasons. It also states you as a member know what you are entering into and are a willing to have yourself, your team and vehicles be scrutinized (IE: it helps weed out the rif-raf).
How do I know this? Because there was a time in my life that I was the rif-raf being weeded out (and still am in some circles :-D )!
Todd
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With it being a single event, I would hope for no member fee.
Bill
it goes with the territory. bub and world of speed are single events
that require memberships of one or another type.
franey
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No membership Fee...Other one event orgs have reasons for it, we can't find one.
Rulebooks are ECTA, when ECTA gets'em they'll send they us a bunch, and then we announce pre registration starts.
Post event info or exchange is being considered. Eventually.
BOB W...... A-One, not a steak Sauce
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No membership Fee...Other one event orgs have reasons for it, we can't find one.
BOB W...... A-One, not a steak Sauce
3 cheers fpr Bwana Bob!
:cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
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Two separate timing systems. One for fast vehicles, the other for those in the slower classes.
Are these what you've got in store, Bob?
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"Are these what you've got in store, Bob?"
SSS
Only if you bring your ECTA record setting 600cc Bi-cycle !
If we stage Outhouse races, will you show up ?
Bob , One Trap set, W
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I'm posting this on all the LTA threads.
A little reminder to remember SSS Jon W and how kind he is to maintain this beautiful thing, Landracing .com for all of us.
Consider patronizing all the advertising sites here (hits) and when you meet him, let him know how you appreciate him.
Also ask him how he got that Hot woman to marry him.
BOB, I'm thankful, big time, W
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I'd just like to reiterate how the LTA would really appreciate if more entrants would pre register. It would help us gauge attendance so we would not be caught short on porta potties . Seriouslier, we really need to get the best idea possible, for volunteer recruiting, security issues, and all that non-racing stuff that has to be done.
The more stuff that's pretty-well planned for gives us more time to ourselves to maybe even race our own cars, which was the original point of this venture.
You save $25, get a head start on paperwork and tech, and endear yourselves to the people working the registration center ( card table ? )
The only idea we have at this time is the thread on this list and the ones reserved rooms at the CARIBOU INN. (remember, mention the LTA racers discount when you call)
http://www.caribouinn.com/flash/
Thank You
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I'm still waiting for you to cash my check so I can balance my checkbook.
Guy
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Anybody have a question or problem that's not explained on this forum or the website, contact us (me) at the Gmail address, http://www.lta-lsr.com/CONTACT.htm
We're all new at this, nobody gets paid, but you will get your money's worth.
I apologize in advance for any inconveniences that will pop up, and when we at the LTA are rich and famous from all this things will move at a professional rate.
BOB W