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East Coast Timing Association => ECTA General Chat => Topic started by: TRNorBRN6001 on November 06, 2008, 02:01:33 PM
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Curious what the conditions are like in April.
Rain?
Wind direction?
Average amount of runs (for regular folk)?
TFA might make an appearance.
Thanks,
Gary
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Curious what the conditions are like in April.
Rain?
Usually not
Wind direction?
Varies like usual. Head wind some of the meet tail wind at times but less often.
Average amount of runs (for regular folk)?
Depends mostly on weather. Last year I got two runs due to Saturday being rained out.
With good attendance and decent weather most can usually get about 8 runs in. More if you're diligent about being in line.
Remember this is the big car meet being the Hot Rod Magazine Top Speed Shootout. Presumably it will happen again next year although I haven't heard that as a fact. Compare it to the big bike meet in September where new folks show up with unproven cars needing to make necessary licensing runs. It seems to us bike folk that the cars run through on average a bit slower then the bikes but I don't know that it is actual fact.
TFA might make an appearance.
Thanks,
Gary
Would be great to see y'all again!
Debbie
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I agree with Debbie, it would seem as if the average bike runs the mile faster than our average car speeds.
What we may not figure in however, is that many of the fast bikes also take the long shutdown and most cars use the short shutdown.
Just a guess but would be nice to see the "total run time"
Take 2 bikes that run 200 MPH and use long shutdown and add total time from first bike starting to last bike clearing long shutdown,,,then do the same with 2 cars running 150 MPH and using short shutdown,,,
I do not know the answer, but would guess the total time may be very very close, and would venture to say the cars may clear a few seconds sooner ???
Charles
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The biggest difference is that cars are responsible for the oil downs which shut the course for hours. The bottom end in the bikes seem to hold together better. There is considerable expense involved in running 5 meets a year and for the ECTA to be successful we need participation from both types of vehicles. When it is going well (which the norm) there are 40 runs in an hour. Deb can tell how many participants are the average and then do the math as to how many runs you can get.
Joe
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as for the weather it could be 70-80 degrees or snow.It is that unpredictable
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Snow!!!! too cool! :mrgreen:
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DahMurf, can we place an order for a good tail wind and evening snow! :cheers:
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I haven't seen snow in my 3 seasons, but it CAN vary from 35 to 80, temp-wise. That's degrees F, for our Canadian and European brothers and sisters. Dress in layers!
Dan
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Dan, if you haven't seen snow for a while -- here's a reminder of what it's like. I took this shot of the wild cranberry tree that's just outside our back door -- two or three days ago.
(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/100_2086.jpg)
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More cars take short shut down than bikes? I did not know that.
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Relaxedfit,
Not 100% for sure the ratio of bikes to cars that take the long shutdown,,, I was providing a math example for Two 200mph bike running back to back and taking long shut down vs two 150mph cars doing the same and using short shut down..
One thing I do know there "seems" to be a much higher % of bikes running over 175mph than cars, and certainly more 200mph + bike runs than 200mph car runs... Not a scientific conclusion, but it seems to me that the real go fast bikes tend to use long shutdown (not sure how many 200 mph runs use short shutdown, the bike guys could tell you)... But I would also venture to guess most cars at 150mph and below make short shutdown..
I think we have a good mix of bikes and cars and it all works very well... I just hope the 2009 season gets here quick and we have great weather, more attendance by racers and spectators and most of all have lots of fun and be safe....
Rock on LSR and ECTA... Let's all do our off season prep's and see you all in April...
Charles
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Lee Shierts used to use the short shutdown even when riding Rick Yancy's bike -- like when he made the 261 (or whatever it was) run. In that case he went a hundred or so feet down the long shutdown, did a U-turn and drove it back to short shutdown exit and left the track. I saw that one -- and guess it was his usual style of braking.
I like using the long shutdown when on a fast bike -- although I probably could make the short if I tried really hard. But since I haven't been running fast bikes very much recently - I prefer to go long for the sake of safer braking. Sorry, folks, if I tie up the course for an extra few seconds now and then.
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SSS,
The way I see it, is once the starter sends you down course the entire course is yours until you clear whatever shutdown you choose,,,, Each Driver/Rider has the right to use whatever shutdown they can safely exit the course from.
Charles
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You've got it exactly right, Charles. I try to keep the others in line in my mind -- but safety and comfort of me, the rider on the course, does come first. As I remember - the rookie orientation course drive-through includes the information that indeed, the course is yours when the starter sends you off -- but also -- don't use long shutdown if you don't have a good reason.
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SSS,
I can only hope that sometime next year I am in fact fast enough to need and use the long shutdown...
I hope to move in the new shop Thanksgiving weekend... Then start disassembly of the Stude...
Replacement motor for theVicky is in the design phase now, the current Vicky motor will be upgraded (we found ways to get more HP ) and put in the Stude for 2009...unless Dan S steps up and makes me an offer for the E motor..lol
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I'd love to, Charles. Do you have an easy payment plan? A dollar down and a dollar a month for 25,000 months?
Dan
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Now Dan, even though the cost to duplicate the motor would be very close to your guesstment...
I am sure we could work out a number far less than that...
Motor has dyno time, 1 half pass and 5 runs (all 5 class records) Plenty of MPH left in her with more gear or a 4 speed,, she does not like the automatic (lose to many RPM's between 2 to 3 shift)
If you would like to seriously consider, we can work out a deal..(hmm around 1/2 price) but no financing...LOL
Charles
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Charles - speaking of moving in @ Thanksgiving, how about updating your build thread? Inquiring minds want to know... vic
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Vic, the build thread on the shop or the Studebaker ?
Oh Vic are you still interested in the vertical milling machine (bridgeport 9x42 knock off) ?
Charles
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Vic, at the bottom of my signature line is a link to my photobucket site,, I keep that kinda updated with car, cruise and shop pics and a few videos.
Talk soon,,,
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Charles thats cool stuff.
Cant wait to see the (new) car
terry
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Terry, thanks...
Did you sell the truck?
Hope to start work on the Stude soon after I get moved in new shop.
Charles
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Charles I have had lots of lookers,but have seen no money.
Most people are holding on to what they got.
terry
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Terry, I understand...
Due to economy and more so the stock market's nose dive,,, I may have to go a bit slower on the Studebaker than I had planned...I wanted it done for Maxton in April,,, that is still the goal, but to do it right and to my desired standards, it may take a bit longer.. If I can't do it up my way now, it will go slow till it is done right,,,, Once and Done,,, no re-do's
Charles
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I take the long shut down because it's easier, safer and gives me time to cuss at myself after the run. I take how ever long it takes. They can wait the extra 20seconds.
Guy
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I think its besr to take the long shut down if it is pushing it to make the short on.
terry
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I have used both. If you are comfortable with the short turn off, then you should take it. If not then you should continue down to the long chute. This is briefed in the rookie orientation and is a best practice. There is negligible time difference with either one. Lower speed vehicles take longer to go down the course to the time traps and get off the course quicker at the short turn off. Faster vehicles get down the course quicker and take the long turn off. Joe and Keith have it working so well that there are 40 runs in an hour. I doubt it is possible to get more runs in even if everyone used the short turnoff.
Joe
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I can usually use the short shut down running in the low 200's on my busa but sometimes I make runs that I think require the long shut down so that's what I use. Do what it takes to slow and exit the course safely because the small amoiunt of extra time it takes to clear on the long shut down doesn't compare to the time, not to mention chance for injury, it takes to start racing after a rider falls trying to make the short shut down. I may be wrong and if so the trible elders of Maxton can correct me, but as far as I can remember every biker who has went down has done so in the shutdown area of the course,
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I may be wrong and if so the trible elders of Maxton can correct me, but as far as I can remember every biker who has went down has done so in the shutdown area of the course,
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Most of the time problems seem to occur in shut down.
terry
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I don't think I'm out of line at all to reinforce - use the long shutdown if there's ANY question in your mind that the short is not safe for you. At a current top speed of 108 MPH, it hasn't been much of an issue for me, personally. Maybe next season I'll have some decisions to make.
Charles - we should have a chat. It's a bit out of my reach to pay for it all at once, but maybe I can work something out. I really do have an interest. I'll need more specific info on the engine - please PM me with details when you get a chance.
Dan
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Dan ... We agree ... take the short chute if you feel comfortable with it ... take the long chute if it suits you better ... It doesn't make a bit of difference in the overall event.
Joe
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Dan, just sent you a PM
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Charles -
Got your PM but I can't seem to get my reply back to you (damn internet). Please send me your direct email address so I can communicate. Mine's <danmarysto@aol.com>
Thanks
Dan
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