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Bonneville Salt Flats Discussion => Build Diaries => Topic started by: landracing on October 12, 2008, 01:49:26 PM
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Well we have had alot on inquiries on our new liner. So ill start a post and post some pictures of the current state, our todo list is growing and I see a long winter to figure everything out on it.
Currently it is powered by a fuel injected 180" Buick V6 on gas. Eventually it will be turbo motor to run in the 3 liter class.
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Wow Jon and Stainless what a great looking streamliner. I wish you guys the best with it and hope to see lots more pictures before seeing it in person on the salt,
Sum
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Here are some more pictures. And I forgot to add that this body was done by Jim Burkdoll.. And as expected, he did a great job.
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I'm happy to see it has 4 wheels and meets the defininition of an "automobile"...............JD :-D
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Great pic's, how about a shot of the drivers area?
Very nice car. SB
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I'm happy to see it has 4 wheels and meets the defininition of an "automobile"...............JD :-D
Yep, twin Busa engines are in order... :wink:
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I'm happy to see it has 4 wheels and meets the defininition of an "automobile"...............JD :-D
Yep, twin Busa engines are in order... :wink:
Sorry John, not a chance for busa's...
Jon
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A couple shots of drivers area,
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I'm happy to see it has 4 wheels and meets the defininition of an "automobile"...............JD :-D
Yep, twin Busa engines are in order... :wink:
Sorry John, not a chance for busa's...
Jon
But the Busa V8... I think those guys still want to run one in LSR :cheers: we will just see what the future brings.
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Looks real good.
Question. Engine BEHIND the rear axle? Why? What effect do you see on CG vs CP?
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Great looking ride there guys!
Hope it runs as good as it looks.
Larry
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Wow Jon and Stainless what a great looking streamliner. I wish you guys the best with it and hope to see lots more pictures before seeing it in person on the salt,
Sum
I'm with Sum :cheers:!That Bullet should be a Blast to Drive :-o!!!
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I'm happy to see it has 4 wheels and meets the defininition of an "automobile"...............JD :-D
Yep, twin Busa engines are in order... :wink:
Sorry John, not a chance for busa's...
Jon
Amo,
That was a joke..comedy...a funny... :wink:
When you going to send me an addy etc.
BTW, car is coolio
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That is one great looking car. I wish you guys the best of luck with your new project.
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Jon very nicr car :-D :-D :-D
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That car is NICE! A craftsman built that piece.
Pete
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Jon did you and Stainless build the car or buy it?? What is the cars history if bought?
Scott
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Scott, it was for sale on this site several months ago. Originally built by Nick Mays, last raced in 2003. We don't have a lot of the original build info, but we are in the process of developing electrical and mechanical diagrams for the car. It is nicely constructed and well thought out, looks to have the best of everything.
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Scott, it was for sale on this site several months ago. Originally built by Nick Mays, last raced in 2003. We don't have a lot of the original build info, but we are in the process of developing electrical and mechanical diagrams for the car. It is nicely constructed and well thought out, looks to have the best of everything.
Thanks, Do you know what speeds it has ran in the past? What speeds are you guys looking to get out of her?
Scott
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still looks good let me no if i can be of any help
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Thanks, Do you know what speeds it has ran in the past? What speeds are you guys looking to get out of her?
Scott
A bunch of records :roll:
(sorry can't resist being a smartass, it is in my nature)
Bo, thanks, we will be in touch with you, BJ and Dad. Jim did an outstanding job on the body, craftsmanship really shows.
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ya he really gets into doing thos bodies
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That thing just looks fast sitting there. Super areo and well thought out. The dash inspires me to make mine trick like that! A little competition in that FBF/S would be fun!! Do you mind devulging the approximent frontal area? I like to pipe dream. Speed Demon is in F, right?
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Jon - now we see why you moved into that new house last spring. Decent garage! Fork lift, high-clearance doors, lots of room.
But -- isn't it time to change your tag line -- "200 mph on a 599 cc motorcycle"?
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But -- isn't it time to change your tag line -- "200 mph on a 599 cc motorcycle"?
Nope, I still have unfinished business on the salt with that deal...
JonAmo
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YEAH---I love a man who who stays after a dream!---sota synamous with the name Amo. :cheers:
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Definitely a cool lookin ride. Seeing that 400 knot gauge on the dash gets me all excited!!! :evil:
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Yup Very Nice!
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whats that NACA duct in the front of the bottom belly pan for?
kr
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whats that NACA duct in the front of the bottom belly pan for?
kr
That is the fresh air intake to the drivers compartment...
JonAmo
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Very nice looking piece. I too wonder where is the CG and the CP and 3 chutes. You must be looking for some really fast times. Good on you mate.
rht
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Currently it is powered by a fuel injected 180" Buick V6 on gas. Eventually it will be turbo motor to run in the 3 liter class.
Was this sold without motor?
I see in the pics that it looks like the motor is getting ready to be pulled.
The reason I ask is because that V6 is a fine motor, just wonder why you would want to change a working combination.
BTW:
Very jealous.
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That motor combination was never ran. However it is a Stage II 180" v6 motor fuel injected. It was built by a fellow at Buick I believe. It was put together with the best of everything. We just don't know what "Everything" is. It was dyno tested with a FAST system and ready to run. It is a special motor. However the motor has been sitting in the liner for about 4 years. The motor is coming out due to some oil leaks that I have to locate and fix. Pull heads and see what we got. That will happen as early as this weekend.
JonAmo
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BTW anybody out there using a B&J 4 speed, electric over air, I would like a chat with you.
JonAmo
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It looks great Jon. Great to read that you and your brother are still as paasionate about LSR. Keep it up!
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Jon,
On the B&J's- Try the Strausburgs. I believe they are in SLC
paulrlf
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Jon,
On the B&J's- Try the Strausburgs. I believe they are in SLC
paulrlf
For what is worth, I have had good dealings with Strausburgs, and they are in SLC.
-JH
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B & J Transmissions: 468 North 1200 West, Lindon Utah 84042. Toll Free: 1-866 781-1064. Same address as Strasburg Machine in Utah county. Close to Provo, definitley not in SLC. Too close to BYU. Cougars suck. Go Utes!!! U of U rules........
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Are U of U rules different than SCTA?
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Are U of U rules different than SCTA?
I guess I dont understand what you are asking or saying Stan???
JonAmo
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U of U rules University of Utah---the UTES
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I was trying to make a funny . . .
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Finally got a chance to browse through the whole thread! Love the car! Can't wait to see what y'all do to it!
The drivers compartment looks roomy is Jon gonna need a booster seat? :evil:
Debbie
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I got the chance to drop over to Jon's yesterday and see the new liner up close and personal!
Wow --- Congratulations guys, first class build quality on this one. You've got a really fine starting point there and if it runs any where near as good as the build quality looks, you should be in for some good times out on the salt flats.
Very nice design work and attention to detail, I am looking forward to seeing her run after you finish the shakedown process and get to see what the good motor will do compared to that mule motor they ran it with.
Yes the drivers compartment is big enough that even a big guy could fit in there from the looks of it.
I think driver seat inserts are on the list to fit it to most any driver.
Larry
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They can even take out the foam filler directly under the crotch belt to accomodate those with larger than normal huevos :)
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They can even take out the foam filler directly under the crotch belt to accomodate those with larger than normal huevos :)
Do you want to drive?
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They can even take out the foam filler directly under the crotch belt to accomodate those with larger than normal huevos :)
Do you want to drive?
John,
I do I do I do I do.... :cheers: :mrgreen:
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Ummm... hello! This is an LSR forum, who on here DOESN'T want to drive that bad boy!!!! :cheers:
Debbie
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Absolutely!!!!!!
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You could add a new HAT to your collection :-D
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Can I fit ? Ok I know I can't... just having fun...
Charles
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I like blue, too!!!!! But the red hat is pretty awesome! I've almost worn #1 hat out :evil:
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i will take either of the hats. but guess i have to stop crashing my chances
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Well kids, last Sunday Jon and I did a little work on the liner, checking out the motor and figuring out the B and J tranny. Monday we got a new set of plugs out of the trailer, threw them in and we were ready to start it... so we fired it up about midnight :-o After the shutdown, we discussed that we should have videoed it... I left town to come back to Wichita Tuesday, and Jon fired it up for video and to do a little data logging.
See the video here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRMBrd_Mk_Y
Have fun, see ya on the salt 8-)
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What's the power plant in the liner?
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V-6 Buick
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nice looking car. it looks fast sitting there. good luck.
franey
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nice looking car. it looks fast sitting there. good luck.
franey
Sounds great too.
Good luck JL222 :cheers:
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Definitely a cool lookin ride. Seeing that 400 knot gauge on the dash gets me all excited!!! :evil:
Awsome cockpit! Does it smell of rich mahogany??!!
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NO
corinthian leather
I know, back to the garage for me.....
:-D
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Nice.Love the cockpit.
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Jon give Courtney Hizer a call in Rome, Georgia. He runs a Buick GN at BVille and has run a V6 in the past. He was tied into the Buick Indy Car program and has (or had) a lot of factory speed stuff. He is also one hell of a nice guy.........(706) 235-2101
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What the HeII Amo? Is this the Manhatten Project? Move the car to area 51? Black Ops? how about an update!!
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We spent several days working on the car and trailer this weekend. Instead of putting 2 x 4s on the pedals for Jon and cutting a couple of inches out of my legs, we figured a way to move the pedals forward 2 inches for Jon and back 2 for me.
We also worked up a plan for lateral restraint, the secondary scatter shield to protect all the fuel lines from our SFI Bellhousing, reworked the battery installation for better access, fixed a couple of trailer tires, checked the trailer bearings, axles and brakes, got the trailer VIN inspected and celebrated Jons birthday.
Sorry, no blow by blow on this fight, we know it runs from the video, hope to throw it on the dyno in June the next time I go out. MSA built a couple of wheel adaptors for that purpose. It is entered for speedweek... and we also are changing the number since 41 was taken already... have that started also...
we will be 1411, Amo Steele Streamliner Racing
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F/BGS or F/BGF ?
kent
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F/BGS or F/BGF ?
kent
Kent, I said no blow by blow... we are running NA Gas
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cool..!...
kent
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SHOOT!!!! i just looked at the counter...70 days till speedweek!!!!!... i guess we'll have to start bending tubing on the new liner next week!!!!!
kent
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Poke, you must not have looked at the pictures, the driver sits facing away from the engine.... :roll: I guess for the semantics crowd I should have said toward and away.... closer and farther... up and back... shorter and longer.... or just say I was talking about the relationship in the cockpit, not the car... :-P
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Well hell Stainless about summed it up in a nutshell... He came in Last Wednesday night for my birthday BBQ.... The next morning after three attempts to get me out of bed to go work on the car he gave up... I was up from 3 am to 9 am working on my AB workout... This is the type of workout that you cant say no too... Dry Heaving every 15 minutes for 6 hours straight.. My pregnant wife was not to happy about that....
Stainless has been working on some little details of the car like he had mentioned... Working on new lettering for the car, had to carve away some of the dash to accomodate stainless and get the pedals fully adjustable... So that meant getting a new clutch master, changing config of the pedals, and adjustable, throttle linkage... Flushed out cooling system, new battery box and also head restraint system. Trailer needed some small work like just taking everything apart and servicing... Found some broken stuff in the brakes on the trailer...
Stainless brought out our Tow Rig a 99 Dodge 3500 5.9 diesel... While he was here he was hot rodding it and blew out the clutch in it, so today I got to put on in... He flew home yesterday to kansas.
So now is just more planning for the next trip out next month to get it all finished, put on the dyno (MSA made some nice adapters to get it on a dyno without removing the engine), get chassis back in the body etc etc.
Fun stuff...
JonAmo
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F/BGS or F/BGF ?
kent
We will try for AA/BGS
or F/BGS ---- Going after the record that is like 279 and change or something like that.
JonAmo
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What a joy to see u posting again, Jon.
Strong AB's are important for the next party.
Welcome back.
I have compassion for Keilani.
You people are still on my Christmas card list. I had the envelopes addressed and the letters and foto stuffed but the increase in
postage threw me a curve. If Stainless returns before Speed Week I'll put his name on your envelope and that will handle two
families with one stamp, unless it pushes it overweight. If there is postage due, take your letter out and return Stainless' letter.
He can read yours. That will make our Stimulus Check go farther.
FREUD
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Okay, forgive me -- is "AB" a west-coast thing? What the heck?
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Okay, forgive me -- is "AB" a west-coast thing? What the heck?
West coast?????? not unless the big one hit and nobody put it on TV.... Denver is still in the middle I think..... Jon is not a good drinker... about 1 is his limit or he gets a rejection reaction in a couple of hours.... hence the AB workout... that is stomach muscles to the non exercise crowd. Use google... look up 6 pack abs... Jon is working on his the hard way... dry heaves
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Sounds like a new DVD series! 6 Hour Ads...
"Do you have a Christmas belly? Do you need to slim up to fit into that 3 size smaller firesuit or leathers? Well, '6 hour Ads' is for you! For a limited time offer, you can get all one of these 15 minute DVDs for just three easy installments of $19.95! Call now, and we'll throw in a great drinking game book at no additional charge!...."
:cheers:
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Okay, okay. Abs I've heard of (in the fitness discussion). But -- I didn't know Jon was "not a good drinker". I've seen him drink and he didn't dribble much or spill when tilting the glass.
Now I get the point of the joke. Wow, the things I've forgot in the past 5 and a half years.
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Jon,
I enjoyed reading the discussion. Talked to you on the salt shortly after you purchased the streamliner. Good pictures...Your wife is pregnant? That will keep her out of the car? Hope not! Hope to see you on the salt...good luck with the race car.
Tom, Redding CA - #216 D/FCC
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Sounds like a new DVD series! 6 Hour Ads...
"Do you have a Christmas belly? Do you need to slim up to fit into that 3 size smaller firesuit or leathers? Well, '6 hour Ads' is for you! For a limited time offer, you can get all one of these 15 minute DVDs for just three easy installments of $19.95! Call now, and we'll throw in a great drinking game book at no additional charge!...."
:cheers:
I don't care who you are, that's some funny sh...stuff there!! lol lol lol
lynda
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Jon,
I enjoyed reading the discussion. Talked to you on the salt shortly after you purchased the streamliner. Good pictures...Your wife is pregnant? That will keep her out of the car? Hope not! Hope to see you on the salt...good luck with the race car.
Tom, Redding CA - #216 D/FCC
Yeah she is. She was sapposed to be one of the drivers at Speedweek, but we got a little hickup since that plan... We call him Alien BOB for right now... We find out the she or he thing in a week. I Told here she should still do it anyways.. Get some media hype 7 months prego and racing cars,, would that mean "Alien BOB" could get a red hat at the same time????
JonAmo
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Now onto the hub adapters. Since we don't know the power output of the engine for sure, We found a loaded dyno to get the streamliner on without having to pull the motor. But their adapters were not big enough to fit on the 5 bolt 7" bolt pattern. So Stainless went to work on designing some adapters to bolt on and make it a more acceptable pattern for the dyno guys. so here they are.
JonAmo
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Congratulations to Keilani and you, Jon. Sure hope Alien BOB takes after her side of the family. . .
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You are naming him Bob? Is that a tribute to Stainless????????
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NO actually it was from the animated pictures "Monsters VS Aliens" flic and there was a Alien named BOB.... And so be it from there...
If I were to name it after Stainless it would be "Quit feeding my freakin dogs people food, BOB"
When we are at dinner table both Keilani and I are chopped liver and Stainless has one dog on each side of him, swarming like a pack of sharks... They know who the sucker is...
JonAmo
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Jon, the explanation of your new arrival's naming is kinda like Bonneville pickup racer Jim Price's statement to (now the late) Ed Rannberg and myself YEARS ago.
"We named our daughter Sandy, after Little Orphan Annie's dog!
Congratulations, DAD. (Mom, too - she did the hard work).
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Not a dad yet, that will be sometime late October I hope.... maybe just in time to make the World Finals and come back for the big event. But if it delivers while im at World Finals then Ill just half to give up racing the rest of my life.... Decisions decisions...
JonAmo
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If you name the baby Bob, at least spell it back-ward to differentiate from the other Bobs. :cheers:
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at least spell it back-ward to differentiate from the other Bobs.
NO NO NO s'dod much TO dyslectic
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Before my little girl was born, my stepdaughter was three years old and pointed to my then-wife's belly and said "Emily Bob Car-Keys." Well, we tried to tell her that Bob was a boys name and that this was here sister, not brother. The name suck, and Emily Rose (Bob) Calkins was joyfully born.
I think my BOB is an alien sometimes!
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Installed some bars for lateral restraint, with the SFI pad there is about an inch on each side
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We had some tube left over so also made a secondary protection tube for the fuel line as it passes the bellhousing
Also installed some steel plate over the top to protect those lines
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Johnboy milled out a couple of 1/4 inch steel wheel mounting plates for our Aluminum fronts.
Jon tried to call Lee Kennedy Sunday to get a reading on the rules for lugnuts when you use the plate.
Sure hope we don't have to make those later.....
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How did u get Johnbouy home from CR long enough to do some machining?
Oh I know, he has a mill down there.
FREUD
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How did u get Johnbouy home for CR long enough to do some machining?
FREUD
It is easy to get JB to do a little work.... just give him a lot of work...
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John Gowetski, Bill Stainless Steele , Marty and Kevin Sutton. ....etal..(all the siblings)....the whole Mountain States
Automation gang........are TOP NOTCH PEOPLE.......NONE BETTER...........
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They did make it to the salt and they did run.
FREUD
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Nice looking liner. :cheers:
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Freud those are fantastic pictures. Thanks
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Jon and Stainless before they started their adventure.
FREUD
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so are you now 2 Jacks racing!!!!!!! :evil:
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Here are a few other shots.
Larry
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Been awhile since last posted on this thread.
We have been busy redo'ing some components of liner.
We started by changing the steering system - Went from a panard arm front steering to a rack and pinion.
Here is the old setup
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here is the new setup showing the rack and pinion steering system that Stainless did.
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I will show pictures of the new stainless water tank and how it interacts with new steering shaft tp rack and pinion pictures ill get today.
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Work weekend... Another item we had to have made was a new gear set for the liner. There was a 1.5:1 ratio and just was to much gear for where we are at now, so we had a 2.0:1 gear set made. Here we are setting up for install back in the box.
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Jon, Thanks for posting pics of the front steering setup. Stainless, I see now what you were talking about.
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SS---Jon---what goes with you two??
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OK, here is a little run down, we shucked #2 rod, killed he crank at WoS, been working the parts collection and repairs. The sleeves for 1 and 2 in the block were damaged, the block is at Jerry Wilson's shop here in Wichita, http://www.chet-wilson.com/ . So far I have a new crank, the rods were 7 inch and possibly way to rare to find more, Carrillo will make more for huge $$$, however, that length rod is not really necessary and may actually be costing a little torque. Amazing what a lot of internet research and talking to a couple of professional racing engine builders can discover. The guy that had the crank also had some more common 6.65 inch rods. I'll get a few pictures up
BTW thanks to Tony and Tom for parts leads, we are still collecting. There may be a few more direction changes in store but that info will be available later if it happens.
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From looking at those photos, all I can say is "OUCH!"
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From looking at those photos, all I can say is "OUCH!"
I think its more suck squeeze BANG BLOW
Neil
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Stainless,
From the looks of the rod where the big end used to be, it looks like it welded itself to the crank and then broke off. Do you see the problem as an oil/lub system problem or an assembly problem??
Rex
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Stainless,
From the looks of the rod where the big end used to be, it looks like it welded itself to the crank and then broke off. Do you see the problem as an oil/lub system problem or an assembly problem??
Rex
Definately looks like it got hot down there by the discoloration.
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who did you have make the 2.00 gears
Thanks
Steve
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I'd been wondering too, I heard some rumours from someone who was there and posted on another build diary we have asking if I knew of you guys :roll:...by the brevity of the reply, I get the sense it wasn't a planned budget item.
Keep us up to date when the weather improves. :wink:
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Stainless,
From the looks of the rod where the big end used to be, it looks like it welded itself to the crank and then broke off. Do you see the problem as an oil/lub system problem or an assembly problem??
Rex
Yes, we were able to throw the car on the dyno the day before we left for WoS, had a minor problem with the Cam drive gear bolt, caused the engine to ingest a little water, took it back and cleaned out the oil system got it all back together and left. My guess is that we probably started something in the bottom end. Oil pressure was always 60+.
Our pistons all clayed well, but something is a little different at 8000 RPM, our shake down pass at half throttle for 3 gears seemed to go well. The next pass was to see if we could qualify the car. Just after the shift to 3rd at 8500 I heard a noise and shut it off. Now we all know what that was. Looking at the pistons they all were a little close to the side of the chamber.
who did you have make the 2.00 gears
Thanks
Steve
Our rear end is a Hub City 1050 gear box, it had a 1.5 set in it and that was geared a little high for NA 3 liter. We ordered the 2.0 from them, the gears were Aero. They make 1:1 if you need to go 500.
I'd been wondering too, I heard some rumours from someone who was there and posted on another build diary we have asking if I knew of you guys :roll:...by the brevity of the reply, I get the sense it wasn't a planned budget item.
Keep us up to date when the weather improves. :wink:
Yea Doc, I owed ya some pictures, these were definitely not a planned requirement. I will post a few more carnage shots before we start to build. There are a few other issues with the motor that we are working out. You may have noticed the chamber was 4.01 wide, might be a little large for our bore.
It will take a little work, and a lot of reading about Buick 6's, but we will give it another shot.
Sometimes you just get overcome by events, too bad you can't look back before :|
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"Sometimes you just get overcome by events, too bad you can't look back before "
Stainless, this statement of your reminds me of one of my more favorite sayings: "When you learn by experience the test comes first and the lesson comes afterwards!"
Rex
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LOL :cheers: :cheers: